Gallup: Voters’ Reaction to Romney’s ‘47%’ Comments Tilts Negative

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First results after the 47% comments are coming in now at Gallup, and it’s more bad news for Mitt: Voters’ Reaction to Romney’s ‘47%’ Comments Tilts Negative.

PRINCETON, NJ — Americans have a more negative than positive immediate reaction to Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney’s comments, secretly caught on video, about the 47% of Americans whom he said are Obama supporters and dependent on the government. Thirty-six percent of voters say Romney’s comments make them less likely to vote for him, while 20% say the remarks make them more likely to vote for him, and 43% say the comments won’t make a difference.

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1 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:20:46pm

I'm surprised that the Romney campaign hasn't tried to offer up one of their staff as a public sacrifice in the hopes of quelling this fiasco.

But perhaps that's because the only person they could really hold responsible is the candidate himself.

2 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:20:58pm

The 20% are even less than the 27% guanomanic.

3 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:21:52pm
4 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:22:07pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

I'm surprised that the Romney campaign hasn't tried to offer up one of their staff as a public sacrifice in the hopes of quelling this fiasco.

But perhaps that's because the only person they could really hold responsible is the candidate himself.

Yeah, but they can't very well fire him, can they? Although I'm sure somebody would love to get him out of there.

5 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:23:05pm

re: #4 Mr. Crankypants

Yeah, but they can't very well fire him, can they? Although I'm sure somebody would love to get him out of there.

Romney loves firing people. He said so.

6 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:23:24pm

re: #4 Mr. Crankypants

Yeah, but they can't very well fire him, can they? Although I'm sure somebody would love to get him out of there.

They're already past the convention, it's too late to chuck this particular albatross.

7 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:24:04pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

They're already past the convention, it's too late to chuck this particular albatross.

I know..isn't it great!

8 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:24:44pm

Just look at David Frum's Twitter feed. I posted a few in the previous thread.

Here's his original question:

The responses are amazing.

9 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:24:45pm

re: #7 Mr. Crankypants

I know..isn't it great!

It almost doesn't seem sporting.

10 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:24:51pm

[Link: pagead2.googlesyndication.com...]

Really NRA? This is what you're going with?

11 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:25:17pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

It almost doesn't seem sporting.

Fuck that. I want to gloat!

12 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:25:24pm

OMG he's gonna reveal the plan!!!

13 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:25:56pm

I see that the Breitbrats are trying to claim that the Mother Jones video is discredited, because the camera stops for about a minute and starts up again.

RIP, irony.

14 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:26:04pm

re: #10 Kragar

[Link: pagead2.googlesyndication.com...]

Really NRA? This is what you're going with?

I saw a commercial from them with R. Lee Ermey (sp?) telling gun owners to vote. It was incredibly stupid.

15 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:26:32pm

re: #12 Mocking Jay

OMG he's gonna reveal the plan!!!

Are those the same 12 million jobs that are already projected in the next four years no matter who's in office or are these 12 million additional jobs on top of that?

16 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:26:50pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

I see that the Breitbrats are trying to claim that the Mother Jones video is discredited, because the camera stops for about a minute and starts up again.

RIP, irony.

They're seriously trying to claim that missing footage invalidates an entire video?

I think we've reached a whole level of chutzpah.

17 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:26:53pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

I see that the Breitbrats are trying to claim that the Mother Jones video is discredited, because the camera stops for about a minute and starts up again.

RIP, irony.

Self awareness has a liberal bias.

18 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:26:55pm

re: #12 Mocking Jay

OMG he's gonna reveal the plan!!!

On Univision? After his "I would be winning if I was Mexican" remarks?

Oh, this will be good.

19 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:28:37pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

I see that the Breitbrats are trying to claim that the Mother Jones video is discredited, because the camera stops for about a minute and starts up again.

RIP, irony.

With not a pimp outfit anywhere to be seen even.

20 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:29:02pm

Second day of coverage, Leaked Romney Videos Make The Front Pages Of 41 Swing State Newspapers

Those polls will get worse.

21 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:29:19pm
22 S'latch  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:29:39pm

I think this would be a perfect time for Romney to release all of this tax returns. He could show that for some of those years he was actually part of the 47% who didn't pay any taxes.

23 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:29:47pm
24 erik_t  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:29:55pm

re: #8 Lidane

Just look at David Frum's Twitter feed. I posted a few in the previous thread.

Here's his original question:

[Embedded content]

The responses are amazing.

FAKE ASS REPUBLICAN

25 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:30:19pm

re: #16 Targetpractice

They're seriously trying to claim that missing footage invalidates an entire video?

I think we've reached a whole level of chutzpah.

That is just clutching at straws.

There is only one word for this situation

26 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:30:21pm

re: #18 Kragar

On Univision? After his "I would be winning if I was Mexican" remarks?

Oh, this will be good.

He will wish he was in Tijuana
eating barbequed iguana.

Youtube Video
27 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:30:39pm

re: #15 Lidane

Are those the same 12 million jobs that are already projected in the next four years no matter who's in office or are these 12 million additional jobs on top of that?

Do you think he might plagiarize? That would be cool.

28 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:30:45pm

Bringing this from downstairs.

Obama expands lead over Romney in two Wisconsin polls

President Barack Obama has opened up a bigger lead over Mitt Romney in Wisconsin since the party conventions, according to two new statewide polls.

The surveys diverge over the size of that lead.

Obama leads Romney by six points (51% to 45%) in a poll of 1,485 likely voters taken Sept. 11-17 by Quinnipiac University, the New York Times and CBS.

And the President leads Romney by a significantly larger margin -- 54% to 40% -- in a poll of 601 likely voters taken Sept. 13-16 by Marquette Law School. (That's Obama's biggest lead in Marquette's polling since February).

29 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:31:07pm

re: #21 Lidane

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He been talking to Charlie Sheen again?

30 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:31:40pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

I see that the Breitbrats are trying to claim that the Mother Jones video is discredited, because the camera stops for about a minute and starts up again.

RIP, irony.

Isn't that rich? There was no dishonest editing of anything Mitt said.

31 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:31:46pm

re: #12 Mocking Jay

OMG he's gonna reveal the plan!!!

Yeah, but who's gonna take those jobs if 47% of the electorate is too shiftless?

32 jaunte  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:31:55pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Charles, one quick tech note: since your update of the sign-in panel and menu, the "remember me" button doesn't work for me (Firefox15.0.1).

33 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:32:06pm
34 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:33:28pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

I'm surprised that the Romney campaign hasn't tried to offer up one of their staff as a public sacrifice in the hopes of quelling this fiasco.

But perhaps that's because the only person they could really hold responsible is the candidate himself.

Weren't they trying to do that before the video hit?

Romney Campaign in Disarray, Says Romney Campaign

35 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:33:43pm

re: #31 47 turn it up to 11

Yeah, but who's gonna take those jobs if 47% of the electorate is too shiftless?

What we need is a despotic socialist who can force the proletariat to work///

36 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:33:58pm
37 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:34:54pm

re: #28 Amory Blaine

Bringing this from downstairs.

Obama expands lead over Romney in two Wisconsin polls

Yeah, even though RealClearPolitics hasn't added those polls to their list on Wisconsin, they've moved Wisconsin from the toss-up group into the "leaning Obama" group. If that holds up, it pretty much guarantees the win, as it leaves him only 23 electoral votes from 270.

If Wisconsin goes for Obama, Romney would have to win all three of the group of Ohio, Florida, and Virginia. If he loses even one, it's over.

38 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:35:18pm

re: #32 jaunte

Charles, one quick tech note: since your update of the sign-in panel and menu, the "remember me" button doesn't work for me (Firefox15.0.1).

Same version of Firefox and same problem here :(

39 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:35:43pm

I nominate Hudson as the new official Romney Campaign Spokesman:

Youtube Video
40 jaunte  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:36:05pm

(First world problems!)

41 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:37:24pm

re: #36 Lidane

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42 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:38:29pm

The responses keep coming in to Frum's feed:

43 blueraven  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:39:07pm

re: #10 Kragar

[Link: pagead2.googlesyndication.com...]

Really NRA? This is what you're going with?

chuck steak is tough

44 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:40:40pm

re: #43 blueraven

chuck steak is tough

Yes one of the truly important issues of this election. Anyways thankfully its not linked to a video of him and his wife telling us the sky is falling...but only if Obama wins.

45 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:41:07pm

re: #15 Lidane

Now now, those details are distracting. . ./

46 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:42:05pm

The GOP are making a huge mistake with this whole "makers vs. takers" line. Having Matalin out there calling people parasites, saying half the country are lazy, shiftless losers that see themselves as victims, etc.

That's a REAL easy argument to turn against someone in a soundbite age. I think Romney HQ will come to regret going down this road. It's going to bite them in the ass.

47 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:43:15pm

re: #46 Lidane

The GOP are making a huge mistake with this whole "makers vs. takers" line. Having Matalin out there calling people parasites, saying half the country are lazy, shiftless losers that see themselves as victims, etc.

That's a REAL easy argument to turn against someone in a soundbite age. I think Romney HQ will come to regret going down this road. It's going to bite them in the ass.

Someone posted a page calling this the era of contemptuous conservatism. I think that's going to stick.

48 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:43:32pm


49 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:43:42pm

re: #46 Lidane

Red meat for the base though. He's getting that down pat.

50 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:43:58pm

re: #21 Lidane

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As Lopez tried to tell Tony Montana in Scarface, "never get high on your own supply"...

51 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:44:18pm
52 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:44:18pm

re: #49 Amory Blaine

Red meat for the base though. He's getting that down pat.

Problem is there aren't enough angry old white men to elect him.

53 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:44:30pm

For Mitt,

Youtube Video


Tell those stories to me
I'm dying to hear the things you've done and seen
Farfetched as they may be
You strike a smile in me
Your stories ring of perjury
Construed with self empowering theme

Suckin' on my brain you're the teacher I'm the student
Turning things around your story's not congruent
Tabloid decoys pitiful excuses
Turning things around
You're turning things around

54 blueraven  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:44:51pm

re: #46 Lidane

The GOP are making a huge mistake with this whole "makers vs. takers" line. Having Matalin out there calling people parasites, saying half the country are lazy, shiftless losers that see themselves as victims, etc.

That's a REAL easy argument to turn against someone in a soundbite age. I think Romney HQ will come to regret going down this road. It's going to bite them in the ass.

Cant wait for the opening skit on SNL this week
Colbert was hilarious last night.

55 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:44:52pm

re: #29 Kragar

He been talking to Charlie Sheen again?

TIGER BLOOD!

/

56 Patricia Kayden  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:45:03pm

I guess one piece of good news for Romney is that with the markets doing so well under President Obama, when he loses he'll have more $$$ to shelter overseas and avoid paying taxes on.

How a man who said he doesn't care about 47% of Americans ("My job is not to worry about those people") is fit for the Presidency is beyond me. If he wins, he's the President (unfortunately) of every one of us. Including those like me who cannot stand him.

57 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:45:10pm

re: #55 Gert Fröbe

TIGER BLOOD!

/

WARLOCKS!

58 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:45:31pm

Let's see... we need 12 million jobs ASAP and also "pay" for it in the short term.
1. Defense spending - declare war on Iran, Syria, and what the heck why not Turks and Caicos since we need space for a new vacation home.

2. Public works - start digging ditches on the US-Mexico and US-Canada borders. One Shatner was too many.

3. Scientific research - Need heat and cold resistant crocodiles for the ditches. Oh wait, make it alligators since we need to think American made!

4. Scientific research II - Godless detectors so that we can weed all the liberal pinkos out of the universities and military.

5. Public Order - Hmm... 2x 47% is 94%. That's too much like those thuggish 93%-er OWS types. Need to build prisons and work camps and employ guards for them. Might be a good testing ground for the alligators.

6. Monetary Policy - "War" will be played. Higher amounts capture smaller amounts. Last class standing wins.

// ;P

59 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:45:39pm

re: #49 Amory Blaine

Red meat for the base though. He's getting that down pat.

Except that he's also insulting his base. They're just too stupid or too partisan to realize it.

It's like the teabagger morans demanding that Big Gubmint get out of their Medicare.

60 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:45:49pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

'Cause nobody with a video camera ever has to stop and move, avoid a bad shot, change a battery or card or anything like that.
\ Sheesh.

61 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:46:06pm

Obama is currently destroying Romney in Michigan. If Obama carries Michigan significantly, then he will win the Upper Midwest (except Indiana) and the election will be over.

62 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:46:48pm

re: #51 Gus

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My God.

63 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:46:55pm

I actually doubt the #'s on both sides of this question.

I think that the number of people who will actually be moved in either direction in terms of likelihood of voting is small. Most Republicans who were going to vote for Mitt will find a way to rationalize these comments ("The comments are not true about my mother on Medicare, but they are true for other people who don't pay federal taxes). And Dems weren't going to vote for him anyway, so they aren't going to be less likely to vote for him.

So it's kind of as stupid poll in terms of the actual question asked.

But in the end, what it really measures are how people react to his statement. Given that the country is split at right around 50/50, it is meaningful that a significantly higher number of people reacted negatively to his statement. That means that even people who are going to vote for him think the statements were obnoxious.

64 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:47:56pm
65 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:48:16pm

Do the Super Pacs become less relevant if Romney blows chunks in the General?

66 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:49:05pm

re: #62 makeitstop

My God.

Bad enough they have Horowitz on television. Fox News is reaching further into the septic tank.

67 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:49:05pm

re: #63 Talking Point Detective

Yeah, I don't know if I could honestly say the statements made me less likely to vote for him. It seems like there's an obvious follow up question-- and was there any real chance you were going to vote for him before this?

68 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:49:29pm

re: #64 Lidane

Actress in anti-Muslim movie sues filmmaker for fraud and slander, asks Google to remove footage:

Wow. She may succeed where the administration failed.

Google don't want no part of that. That video will be taken down shortly, I'll bet.

69 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:49:51pm

Arrright (it is talk like a pirate day, after all) I gotta go do something remotely productive.

Take care all.

70 erik_t  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:49:56pm

re: #51 Gus

What right wing racism?

71 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:49:58pm

re: #64 Lidane

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Oh my god, that actress is trying to censor the interwebs, just like Obama!!!!

/KT'ed.

72 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:50:23pm

re: #46 Lidane

Amen- the lack of tact not withstanding, it's hard for me to understand how anyone could, from this point forward, agree with a poll question that stated "Romney is in touch/aware of/understands the lives of most/ordinary/middle class Americans"

You are younger than me, but I wonder if you remember GHW Bush in 92, when they filmed a photo op at a grocery store and he was wetting himself over the then brand new UPC code scanner (up til then numbers were entered by hand) and it was seen as proof that Bush was not in touch with Americans who bought their own groceries. . .it was interesting to see.

73 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:50:34pm

re: #68 makeitstop

Wow. She may succeed where the administration failed.

Google don't want no part of that. That video will be taken down shortly, I'll bet.

Now it actually is a free speech question, and it basically is up to the contracts the actors had. Does an actor have a right for the film in which they acted not to be edited to a fare-thee-well, its message changed, etc? I dunno.

74 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:51:30pm

re: #72 DisturbedEma

i was a kid then and remember that. Thus the whole "not knowing the price of a gallon of milk" deal.

75 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:51:47pm

The political guru speaks!

Heh.

76 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:52:11pm
77 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:52:28pm

re: #73 Obdicut

Now it actually is a free speech question, and it basically is up to the contracts the actors had. Does an actor have a right for the film in which they acted not to be edited to a fare-thee-well, its message changed, etc? I dunno.

Might have some rights regarding how their image is being used. Hasn't there been kerfluffles over clips of John Wayne or others being computer generated into commercials?

78 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:52:38pm

re: #74 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

And the realization that except for photo ops, he had not been in a grocery store for awhile

79 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:53:34pm

As a Canadian, I would like to say that I don't think there is anything as corrosive and destructive to American society as your electoral campaigns, their length, their funding and their encouragement of absolute insanity and disregard for the truth. I fail to see how a Country can heel when every 12 months you enter into another 12 month election cycle. Forget the ability to govern (that is long out the window), but I actually think that these cycles do more harm than good to the American psyche. Its a shame really. I am not certain how you emerge from it in a healthy way. It is one area you could take a lesson from Canada. 60 day elections, start to finish. spending caps, donation limits. Done.

80 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:53:37pm

re: #72 DisturbedEma

'92 was the first election I could vote in, so yeah. I remember that. There was a lot of talk about how Bush didn't know the price of a gallon of milk.

I think Mitt's gone waaay beyond that here. It's one thing for a POTUS to be caught flat-footed by new technology and not knowing the price of milk. It's another to call half the country victims that don't take responsibility for their own lives.

81 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:53:38pm

re: #77 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Might have some rights regarding how their image is being used. Hasn't there been kerfluffles over clips of John Wayne or others being computer generated into commercials?

Yeah, but he obviously didn't sign a contract for that. This actress did-- or there's an implied contract from her being hired. I think the SAG would know.

82 blueraven  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:53:58pm

re: #63 Talking Point Detective

I actually doubt the #'s on both sides of this question.

I think that the number of people who will actually be moved in either direction in terms of likelihood of voting is small. Most Republicans who were going to vote for Mitt will find a way to rationalize these comments ("The comments are not true about my mother on Medicare, but they are true for other people who don't pay federal taxes). And Dems weren't going to vote for him anyway, so they aren't going to be less likely to vote for him.

So it's kind of as stupid poll in terms of the actual question asked.

But in the end, what it really measures are how people react to his statement. Given that the country is split at right around 50/50, it is meaningful that a significantly higher number of people reacted negatively to his statement. That means that even people who are going to vote for him think the statements were obnoxious.

Leaners may not change their vote, but they may just stay home

83 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:54:14pm

re: #64 Lidane

AP: Actress in anti-Muslim movie sues filmmaker for fraud and slander, asks Google to remove footage

Was there not also a similar fluff with the actors who appeared in "Borat"?

84 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:54:35pm

re: #75 Lidane

Creepy! I really can't stand the sound of his voice, and when I see screenshots of his tweets, I read them in my head. . .in his voice

85 BARACK THE VOTE  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:54:51pm

Rick Perry: 'Christian Warriors' must use 'Spiritual Warfare' against 'Satanic' Separation of Church and State

Texas governor Rick Perry spoke today on a conference call with extremist pastor Rick Scarborough as part of his “40 Days to Save America” campaign to motivate and organize Religious Right voters. Perry said that the separation of church and state, which he dismissed as a myth, is being used to drive “people of faith from the public arena.” Perry said that he believes Satan is using the “untruth” of the separation of church and state to remove Christians from public life: “The idea that we should be sent to the sidelines I would suggest to you is very driven by those who are not truthful, Satan runs across the world with his doubt and with his untruths and what have you and one of the untruths out there is driven—is that people of faith should not be involved in the public arena.”

86 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:55:00pm

re: #79 Petero1818

As a Canadian, I would like to say that I don't think there is anything as corrosive and destructive to American society as your electoral campaigns, their length, their funding and their encouragement of absolute insanity and disregard for the truth..

Ugh. Tell me about it. I wish we had shorter election cycles. It would be nice.

87 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:55:10pm

re: #77 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Might have some rights regarding how their image is being used. Hasn't there been kerfluffles over clips of John Wayne or others being computer generated into commercials?

If she's suing the so-called filmmaker for slander and Google doesn't honor her request to take the video down, Google could be named as a party in the slander suit.

And they've got a lot more to lose than Imbecile. They'll probably remove it.

88 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:55:17pm
89 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:56:07pm
90 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:57:22pm

re: #86 Lidane

Ugh. Tell me about it. I wish we had shorter election cycles. It would be nice.

Got into that discussion the other day having lunch with two of our Brazilian contractors. Campaign rules, voter registration, etc. A major difference is that voting is *required* in Brazil and you get fined if you don't. So I had to spend a while explaining the whole voter ID issue to them since part of it appears to be steps that will drive down participation.

91 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:57:55pm

re: #80 Lidane

Oh absolutely he has gone beyond, but what is telling is the fact that as you pointed out, the vocal crowd of people who will vote against their own livelihoods, for some imagined pay out in social policy from this guy and his partner in crime. The election of Walker is making me dread and fear an election win for The R&R ticket- "Railroading the middle class to destinations unknown"

92 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:58:19pm

re: #90 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Could you imagine if we had mandatory voting? Things would be very different, I think.

93 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:58:23pm

re: #89 Lidane

but but but, what could have changed that?

94 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:58:50pm

re: #92 Lidane

Could you imagine if we had mandatory voting? Things would be very different, I think.

For that we would need mandatory voter ID...

95 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:58:57pm

The Marquette poll that has Obama with the big lead in Wisconsin also had Baldwin now with a big lead as well (+9). The Quinnipiac poll has them tied, where their poll last month had Thompson up 6.

This was enough to move my state from leaning Republican back to toss-up.

96 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:59:37pm

re: #83 47 turn it up to 11

The ones in the bar who sang along to "Throw the Jew down the well"?

97 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:59:44pm

re: #92 Lidane

Could you imagine if we had mandatory voting? Things would be very different, I think.

A different focus in certain areas I am sure. In a lot of other areas I don't think it would change at all.

98 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:59:53pm

re: #73 Obdicut

Now it actually is a free speech question, and it basically is up to the contracts the actors had. Does an actor have a right for the film in which they acted not to be edited to a fare-thee-well, its message changed, etc? I dunno.

I actually think there may be other torts to sue under. They may stretch the boundaries of jurisprudence but they are worth a look. The maker of the film has likely put the lives of these actors in danger without their consent and in a way which was totally forseeable by him. At the very least, he has created a reasonable apprehension amongst them that their lives are in danger. I would like to see an action for the intentional infliction of emotional harm or perhaps some sort of recklessness, depraved indifference action. I think you could step outside of the corners of the contract and look to something that they never contracted for.

99 Big Steve  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:00:16pm

re: #79 Petero1818

As a Canadian, I would like to say that I don't think there is anything as corrosive and destructive to American society as your electoral campaigns, their length, their funding and their encouragement of absolute insanity and disregard for the truth. I fail to see how a Country can heel when every 12 months you enter into another 12 month election cycle. Forget the ability to govern (that is long out the window), but I actually think that these cycles do more harm than good to the American psyche. Its a shame really. I am not certain how you emerge from it in a healthy way. It is one area you could take a lesson from Canada. 60 day elections, start to finish. spending caps, donation limits. Done.

No doubt all true....but we do like our election process and all of this is just good sport

100 erik_t  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:00:49pm

re: #99 Big Steve

No doubt all true....but we do like our election process and all of this is just good sport

We do? Who the hell here claims to like our election process?

I think it's fucking awful.

101 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:01:06pm

re: #99 Big Steve

No doubt all true....but we do like our election process and all of this is just good sport

Spoken like a New York Yankees fan...
;P

102 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:01:12pm
103 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:03:06pm

Quinnipiac has Tim Kaine up 7 in Virginia, Washington Post has Kaine +8.

New polls from Mass have Warren up anywhere from +2 to +6

104 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:03:20pm

re: #102 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Romney is right of Gen. Jack D. Ripper, only because the base demands it.

105 A Man for all Seasons  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:03:28pm

re: #87 makeitstop

If she's suing the so-called fimmaker for slander and Google doesn't honor her request to take the video down, Google could be named as a party in the slander suit.

And they've got a lot more to lose that Imbecile. They'll probably remove it.

I'm not so sure..She could sue the film maker for slander..she did approve the script so it will be interesting. Google is not a film distributor with a contract to provide distribution for the film. It reacted as a content provider.
/I'm no lawyer but I stayed at a Holiday Express last night

106 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:03:37pm

re: #99 Big Steve

No doubt all true....but we do like our election process and all of this is just good sport

I am a political junkie. For me it is in a way sport, though I am an outsider to your system. But I believe somewhere in the last 3 or 4 cycles it has gone from sport to something that is more corrosive than instructive and makes the system weaker.

107 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:03:39pm

Real sports need more crew served weapons.

108 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:04:41pm

re: #32 jaunte

Charles, one quick tech note: since your update of the sign-in panel and menu, the "remember me" button doesn't work for me (Firefox15.0.1).

Hmm, I just tested it with Firefox 15.0.1 and it seems to be working for me. When 'remember me' is checked it should set a cookie with the name 'LIZARD'. You can look at the cookies in Firefox's Prefs and see if this cookie is being set (the link is oddly titled 'remove individual cookies', under Privacy).

110 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:05:31pm

re: #96 DisturbedEma

According to Wiki, there were many people who filed suit or came away angry with the film. Even a country had issues.
"In March 2012, the parody national anthem from the film, which acclaims Kazakhstan for its high quality potassium exports and having the second cleanest prostitutes in the region, was mistakenly played at the H.H. The Amir of Kuwait International Shooting Grand Prix in Kuwait. The Gold Winning medalist, Maria Dmitrienko, stood on the dais while the entire parody was played. The team complained, and the award ceremony was re staged. The incident apparently resulted from the wrong song being downloaded from the Internet"- Wiki

111 jaunte  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:06:25pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

Thanks, I'll try that.

112 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:06:49pm

re: #109 Gus

Romney Campaign: Hidden Camera Video is "Debunked and Selectively Edited"

I stand by the comments I made which have now been debunked.

113 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:06:58pm

re: #109 Gus

Romney Campaign: Hidden Camera Video is "Debunked and Selectively Edited"

But by calling the whole tape "debunked" and "selectively edited," the campaign's hewing closer to the Breitbart.com argument -- the real story is liberal media-Obama collusion. And the result is a sort of paradox, in which Romney stands by what he said in a video that you can't trust.

lulz

114 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:10:41pm

"Forget the whole huge uninterrupted portions of video, someone changed a tape."

That is almost as funny as Romney's older joke, "Trust me because of my business experience and no, you can't see my records or tax returns."

115 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:11:52pm

re: #109 Gus

Romney Campaign: Hidden Camera Video is "Debunked and Selectively Edited"

The fucker doesn't know whether he's coming or going, does he?

116 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:12:56pm

Here's the spin on the poll from the delusional camp:

Because having 29% of independents LESS likely to vote for you, and 15% more is basically a wash.

Only twice as many people are less likely. That's pretty much even, right?

117 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:13:30pm

re: #115 Gert Fröbe

The fucker doesn't know whether he's coming or going, does he?

He's always coming and going, going and coming, and always too soon

118 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:13:48pm

re: #115 Gert Fröbe

The fucker doesn't know whether he's coming or going, does he?

The debates can't come soon enough.

119 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:14:19pm

re: #117 Kragar

He's always coming and going, going and coming, and always too soon

It's twoo, it's twoo!

120 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:15:12pm

re: #119 darthstar

It's twoo, it's twoo!

Im Tiiiired of this same old schtik.

121 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:16:14pm

re: #116 JamesWI

Here's the spin on the poll from the delusional camp:

[Embedded content]

Because having 29% of independents LESS likely to vote for you, and 15% more is basically a wash.

Only twice as many people are less likely. That's pretty much even, right?

Nolte is a clown. And a hateful, nasty clown at that.

122 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:16:21pm

Classy lady.

123 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:16:55pm

re: #117 Kragar

He's always coming and going, going and coming, and always too soon

Youtube Video
124 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:17:06pm

It's hot here in AZ this afternoon. Here, drink some freep tears with me


[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

125 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:17:32pm
126 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:18:16pm

re: #118 Petero1818

The debates can't come soon enough.

re: #122 Mocking Jay

Classy lady.

[Embedded content]

Wow...she's got a picture of Barbara Bush on the wall behind her.

127 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:18:37pm

re: #124 SpaceJesus

It's hot here in AZ this afternoon. Here, drink some freep tears with me

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

I'll wait and see if CFA follows thru before I eat there again.

128 erik_t  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:18:42pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

Those socks are just the right height.

129 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:18:51pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Did you get a free bowl of soup with those argyles?

130 jaunte  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:19:09pm

"Did you get those socks at 7-Eleven?"

131 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:19:45pm

re: #118 Petero1818

The debates can't come soon enough.

Oops...never finished replying before getting distracted by another post...

Once the debates start, Mitt Romney will be thinking that they can't end soon enough.

132 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:21:18pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

Caption:
"Where did you buy those...KMart? Get a job you lazy bum and buy yourself some decent clothes."//

133 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:21:33pm

re: #127 Kragar

I will only eat there once they have figured out how much money they have given to anti-gay hate groups, then duplicate that same figure and spend it towards pro-LGBT groups.

134 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:21:42pm

re: #130 jaunte

"Did you get those socks at 7-Eleven?"

Winner!

135 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:22:02pm

Pretty picture...

Image: 9-19-12-22.png

136 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:22:19pm

re: #125 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

"Those aren't store bought, are they?"

137 dragonfire1981  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:22:44pm

re: #79 Petero1818

As a Canadian, I would like to say that I don't think there is anything as corrosive and destructive to American society as your electoral campaigns, their length, their funding and their encouragement of absolute insanity and disregard for the truth. I fail to see how a Country can heel when every 12 months you enter into another 12 month election cycle. Forget the ability to govern (that is long out the window), but I actually think that these cycles do more harm than good to the American psyche. Its a shame really. I am not certain how you emerge from it in a healthy way. It is one area you could take a lesson from Canada. 60 day elections, start to finish. spending caps, donation limits. Done.

As a fellow Canadian, I agree with you.

138 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:23:26pm

re: #119 darthstar

It's twoo, it's twoo!

You can let go of my arm now...

/paraphrasing the outtake response Little made to Kahn's line there in the dark ;-P

139 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:24:51pm
140 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:25:23pm


When the RNC Chairman admits the election is no longer about the economy, but if people like Obama more than Mitt, you're in for a bad time.

141 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:26:27pm

re: #121 Charles Johnson

Nolte is a clown. And a hateful, nasty clown at that.

The best part about him calling it a "wash":

These people apparently believe that around 47% of the country is locked in as Democratic voters.......And now we have a poll saying that AT LEAST 29% of the independents probably aren't going to be voting for Romney (I say "at least" because you've got to figure a substantial number of the independents who answered that it didn't change their mind one way or the other, are going to be voting for Obama as well)

.......so, unless fewer than 9% of the voters are "independent," this poll all but says Obama's got the 50%+ to win the election, using Romney's math.

142 Talking Point Detective  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:26:34pm

re: #67 Obdicut

Yeah, I don't know if I could honestly say the statements made me less likely to vote for him. It seems like there's an obvious follow up question-- and was there any real chance you were going to vote for him before this?

Right. If I were being polled with that question, I would probably answer that his comments made me less likely to vote for him even though there's no chance in hell I would ever vote for him. Similarly, people on the other side might have said his comments made them less likely to vote for him even though they still fully intended to vote for him.

The point is that even partisans recognize he's an elitist. Most people knew that already. Not many will come to that realization as the result of these comments. Perhaps we can interpret from this poll that those moderates who aren't really fixed one way or another will be less likely to vote for him now, but that is a small # of people and they might yet be swayed back in the other direction by any number of developments.

One thing for sure - this certainly doesn't help him in any way, shape, or fashion. And likely it will make him that much more defensive and desperate - which will continue to work against him.

143 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:26:55pm

Handout reminded me of this song I once heard.

Johnny Rebel (singer)
Singles
1966
"Lookin' for a Handout / Kajun Ku Klux Klan"
Album: For Segregationists Only

144 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:28:01pm

re: #109 Gus

Romney Campaign: Hidden Camera Video is "Debunked and Selectively Edited"

145 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:28:48pm

re: #144 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Fake but accurate!

146 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:30:34pm
147 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:31:30pm
Pamela Geller says that criticism by the Obama administration of the anti-Islam film that sparked riots in the Middle East is "an attempt to get the U.S. to shut down free speech and criminalize criticism of Islam, in accord with Shariah blasphemy laws" and "a constitutional coup."

More at Right Wing Leftovers - 9/19/12

148 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:31:35pm

re: #146 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Fuck him.

149 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:32:24pm

re: #146 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Maybe we should just play it safe and declare only white land owners of certified lineages be allowed to vote?
/

150 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:34:13pm

re: #149 Kragar

Maybe we should just play it safe and declare only white land owners of certified lineages be allowed to vote?
/

That will only work if womenfolk aren't allowed to own land.

151 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:35:26pm

re: #149 Kragar

Maybe we should just play it safe and declare only white land owners of certified lineages be allowed to vote?
/

and those who own twenty slaves or more are exempt from the draft...

152 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:35:37pm

um.


Youtube Video
153 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:35:37pm

re: #150 Decatur Deb

That will only work if womenfolk aren't allowed to own land.

Well, naturally.

154 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:37:17pm

Image: A3Lak6GCMAAdQg9.jpg

155 dragonfire1981  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:39:35pm

re: #141 JamesWI

The best part about him calling it a "wash":

These people apparently believe that around 47% of the country is locked in as Democratic voters.......And now we have a poll saying that AT LEAST 29% of the independents probably aren't going to be voting for Romney (I say "at least" because you've got to figure a substantial number of the independents who answered that it didn't change their mind one way or the other, are going to be voting for Obama as well)

.......so, unless fewer than 9% of the voters are "independent," this poll all but says Obama's got the 50%+ to win the election, using Romney's math.

Well logically not every registered voter will vote. Of those in that 47% that do vote, it's safe to say a fair number of them will vote for Obama but there's no way to know how many of them actually will or how many people will vote overall. Without those numbers you can't really determine how large a voting block the "47%" are going to be.

Now I know Romney said those 47% are with Obama. However, he didn't say those 47% would all vote for Obama. I think by "with Obama" he meant those people were in his view hopelessly dependent on government handouts.

I'm not trying to be a Romney apologist here, I'm just expanding on your breakdown of the numbers.

156 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 4:13:18pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

I see that the Breitbrats are trying to claim that the Mother Jones video is discredited, because the camera stops for about a minute and starts up again.

RIP, irony.

They should be grateful there are sixty seconds of Romney digging his electoral grave missing.

157 seawitch1261  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 4:20:34pm

[Link: shirabatsarah.blogspot.com...]

The Republican presidential nominee has stated the 47% of Americans who do not pay income taxes are moochers and who feel that they are entitled to food, shelter, and medical care.
Who are these "moochers"? Well, according to the The Tax Policy Center , nearly half are senior citizens. These seniors, according to Romney feel entitled to the social security they paid into all those years they were working. One third of those "moochers" are the working poor who make less than $20,000 a year.
Mitt Romney has stated that his job as president is not to worry about those people.


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