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1 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:26:55pm

Obviously those topics are all distractions and should be considered off the table.

2 freetoken  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:28:38pm

re: #1 Kragar

Pew is no doubt just another Socialist outfit anyway.

3 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:28:40pm

Hard to believe but Mittes is probably wishing we were still talking about legitimate rape.

4 erik_t  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:36:22pm

When was the last time Romney won a news cycle? February?

5 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:37:51pm

re: #2 freetoken

Pew is no doubt just another Socialist outfit anyway.

Soros!!11ty

6 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:40:45pm

"These are thought to be his strong points but they really don't show up as strong points."

Ya think?

7 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:40:49pm

Our Apache server's kind of temperamental today. Had a couple of restarts.

8 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:41:31pm
9 CriticalDragon1177  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:41:55pm

Charles Johnson,

What's Romney going to do now?

10 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:46:09pm

Too soon for milk and cookies.

11 Stoatly  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:49:02pm

Pew Pew Pew

12 Linden Arden  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:52:16pm

I keep thinking Team Romney has hit Peak Derp but they keep on ratcheting it up a bit every day.

Let the early voting begin!

13 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:53:00pm

I love this news I really do.

I just have one shoutout to all my Obama friends. Do Not Let This News Reduce Your Efforts.
Send some money. Talk him up. Beyond all of it get your vote in. Vote early if you have the option. Help anyone you may know that could have a hard time voting (no ride, registration issues, ID problems) get it done.


*Flicks off pa system power*

14 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:54:10pm

You folks may not see much of me for the next few days because I just discovered that the new iOS 6 version of Safari has a mobile Web Inspector!

This is going to make my development work on the mobile version of LGF much easier. It's incredibly awesome. Yup.

15 freetoken  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:54:57pm

Genetic mutation may have allowed early humans to migrate throughout Africa, research says

A genetic mutation that occurred thousands of years ago might be the answer to how early humans were able to move from central Africa and across the continent in what has been called "the great expansion," according to new research from Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center.

By analyzing genetic sequence variation patterns in different populations around the world, three teams of scientists from Wake Forest Baptist, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine and the University of Washington School of Medicine, Seattle, demonstrated that a critical genetic variant arose in a key gene cluster on chromosome 11, known as the fatty acid desaturase cluster or FADS, more than 85,000 years ago. This variation would have allowed early humans to convert plant-based polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs) to brain PUFAs necessary for increased brain size, complexity and function. The FADS cluster plays a critical role in determining how effectively medium-chain PUFAs found in plants are converted to the long-chain PUFAs found in the brain.

[...]

Luck of the draw.

And here we are.

16 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:55:44pm

re: #15 freetoken

Genetic mutation may have allowed early humans to migrate throughout Africa, research says

Luck of the draw.

And here we are.

That to me is more fascinating than Genesis.

17 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:56:54pm
18 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:56:58pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

That to me is more fascinating than Genesis.

I don't know...they were pretty damn fascinating with Peter Gabriel. /

19 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:58:30pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

That to me is more fascinating than Genesis.

Nickelback is more fascinating than Genesis (with Phil Collins).

20 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:59:18pm
21 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:59:50pm

The way mobile Safari's Web Inspector works - you connect the iPhone to a computer and all the debugging screens open on the computer display(s).

Now we have a real tool here. The ability to tweak CSS styles and see changes right away, debug Javascript with breakpoints and logging, etc. I'm in developer Nirvana.

22 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:00:13pm

re: #20 Lidane

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I'll let my brother know that his girlfriend is planning to do that. //

23 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:01:00pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

That is an example of why I think there is a lot of life of whatever kind out there, all over the place. All the building blocks and some mysterious force that continually puts those pieces together is here and out there. No doubt in my mind at all. I have faith that life is out there in most places that it possibly can be.

24 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:01:27pm

re: #22 HappyWarrior

I'll let my brother know that his girlfriend is planning to do that. //

When she's done, my lawn could use a trim too.

//

25 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:01:36pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

The way mobile Safari's Web Inspector works - you connect the iPhone to a computer and all the debugging screens open on the computer display(s).

Now we have a real tool here. The ability to tweak CSS styles and see changes right away, debug Javascript with breakpoints and logging, etc. I'm in developer Nirvana.

"Ray's gone bye-bye, Egon. What have you got left?"

26 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:01:50pm
27 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:02:08pm
28 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:02:18pm

re: #23 Daniel Ballard

That is an example of why I think there is a lot of life of whatever kind out there, all over the place. All the building blocks and some mysterious force that continually puts those pieces together is here and out there. No doubt in my mind at all. I have faith that life is out there in most places that it possibly can be.

Yeah I just don't believe in taking a holy book literally. This is a fascinating world. The seas are what fascinate me. What James Cameron recently did in the Marianas sounded like it would be awesome to do.

29 freetoken  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:02:25pm

The GOP is quite concerned with laziness, it would appear:

Daryl Metcalfe, GOP Lawmaker: If People Are Too 'Lazy' To Get Voter ID, Pennsylvania Can't Fix That

Daryl Metcalfe, a Pennsylvania state House member who originally sponsored the state's voter ID law that is currently in legal limbo, said on a local radio station Wednesday morning that the state shouldn't be responsible for people who are too "lazy" to obtain the needed ID.

[...]

30 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:03:00pm

re: #26 Lidane

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Time to buy Romney stock on Intrade!

31 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:03:16pm

Just used the mobile Safari Web Inspector to confirm that Twitter's widgets.js code is a real bottleneck for mobile devices. Sloooow.

32 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:04:31pm

Someone needs to redo this song and call it "I'm not Romney" for the Republicans running for office.

Youtube Video
33 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:04:34pm

re: #16 HappyWarrior

heretic ///////////

34 freetoken  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:04:43pm

Remember, sloth is one of the seven deadly sins.

The GOP wants to make sure the sinners aren't rewarded.

35 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:05:10pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

The way mobile Safari's Web Inspector works - you connect the iPhone to a computer and all the debugging screens open on the computer display(s).

Now we have a real tool here. The ability to tweak CSS styles and see changes right away, debug Javascript with breakpoints and logging, etc. I'm in developer Nirvana.

grumble grumble grumble in my day we didn't have no fancy graphic debuggers we only had debugging code grumble grumble and we were glad to have it

36 jaunte  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:06:18pm

"...Despite international sanctions on Assad, it doesn’t look like he’s running out of weapons. The Obama administration slapped a new round of penalties Wednesday on key parts of Assad’s deadly supply chain in Belarus and Iran. But the Iranians are hardly giving up on their Syrian proxy: New intelligence reports indicate they’re flying in weapons over Iraq, a charge that the Iraqis publicly deny. Sen. John Kerry, the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, warned Iraq that acquiescence to the Iranian aid to Assad will jeopardize its U.S. aid, a disturbing coda to the Iraq war."

37 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:06:27pm

re: #20 Lidane

I am not completely jaded yet- this one was a WTF moment. . .

38 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:06:33pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

I'm in developer Nerdvana.

FTFY ;)

All kidding aside, that sounds like a fantastic tool for devs.

39 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:06:38pm

I'm glad they're considering cell phones because I think that's something worth considering. They did a poll in 1936 with only voters that had phones and they predicted Landon would beat FDR. That of course turned out to be way wrong. As more Americans get cell phones and use them more than their landlines, it's time to seriously weigh people being polled via cellular phone.

40 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:07:18pm

He must be getting breitbarted/twitched:

41 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:07:21pm

re: #36 jaunte

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Man what a bunch of apologies and appeasement.//

42 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:08:00pm

Romney's only 43 points behind Obama on who connects better with the average person...that's not too big a gap...He can close that...in about seven years.

43 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:08:52pm

re: #30 darthstar

POTUS is up to 67.4% on Intrade today.

44 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:08:59pm

re: #42 darthstar

Romney's only 43 points behind Obama on who connects better with the average person...that's not too big a gap...He can close that...in about seven years.

Regrettably it turns out the average person does not vote so it has no relevance in the election.///

45 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:10:34pm

re: #28 HappyWarrior

Yeah I just don't believe in taking a holy book literally. This is a fascinating world. The seas are what fascinate me. What James Cameron recently did in the Marianas sounded like it would be awesome to do.

I don't take any of them literally either. Science seems to be finding that the force that sparks life is far more powerful than previously thought. Science thought life had to be a lot like what we could see or catch around us. Only in conditions similar to what we live in. Now with extremophiles and evidence of molecules like sugar and water out there in space we now know life can exist in places previously thought impossible. So IMHO, the thing that makes life start and pushes and pushes it to evolve is far more powerful that previously thought. Maybe that's pure accident of circumstance. Maye not.

46 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:10:52pm
47 dragonath  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:11:10pm

re: #20 Lidane

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Fox is currently running a story captioned with "Dad: Illegal killed my son, don't let it happen again"

48 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:12:00pm

re: #40 Interesting Times

He must be getting breitbarted/twitched:

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I thought he'd been around the block a few times, but that looks pretty naive.

49 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:12:20pm

re: #46 darthstar

50 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:12:21pm

re: #46 darthstar

Today is Romney's first public event in five days...FIVE FUCKING DAYS. In September. There are 48 days left before the election. Only 14 days left until the first debate. And the lazy cocksucker is only campaigning once a week.

51 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:13:24pm

re: #45 Daniel Ballard

I don't take any of them literally either. Science seems to be finding that the force that sparks life is far more powerful than previously thought. Science thought life had to be a lot like what we could see or catch around us. Only in conditions similar to what we live in. Now with extremophiles and evidence of molecules like sugar and water out there in space we now know life can exist in places previously thought impossible. So IMHO, the thing that makes life start and pushes and pushes it to evolve is far more powerful that previously thought. Maybe that's pure accident of circumstance. Maye not.

it really is something else isn't it?

52 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:13:32pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

I'm glad they're considering cell phones because I think that's something worth considering. They did a poll in 1936 with only voters that had phones and they predicted Landon would beat FDR. That of course turned out to be way wrong. As more Americans get cell phones and use them more than their landlines, it's time to seriously weigh people being polled via cellular phone.

Alf Landon was the kind of Republican they just don't have anymore.

After war broke out in Europe in 1939 Landon fought against isolationists such as America First who supported the Neutrality Act; he feared it would mislead Nazi Germany into thinking the United States was unwilling to fight. In 1941, however, he joined isolationists in arguing against lend-lease, although he did urge that Britain be given $5 billion outright instead. After the war, he backed the Marshall Plan, while opposing high domestic spending. After the communist revolution in China, he was one of the first to advocate recognition of Mao Zedong's communist government, and its admission to the United Nations, when this was still a very unpopular position among the leadership and followers of both major parties.
In 1961, he urged the U.S. to join the European Common Market. In November 1962, when he was asked to describe his political philosophy, Landon said: "I would say practical progressive, which means that the Republican party or any political party has got to recognize the problems of a growing and complex industrial civilization. And I don't think the Republican party is really wide awake to that." Later in the 1960s, Landon backed President Lyndon Johnson on Medicare and other Great Society programs.

He died on October 12,1987, at 100 years and 33 days of age.

53 freetoken  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:13:34pm

re: #47 dragonath

The ugly-right is stepping up their claims that Romney, if he really wants to win, ought to work harder, explicitly, for the white "base", and he can do such by supporting closing down people immigrating into the US.

54 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:13:41pm

re: #49 Interesting Times

55 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:14:00pm

re: #49 Interesting Times

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Oh, and the ball gag jpeg was a litte cruel...I love it!

56 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:14:30pm

I just realized this will be the first time I ever voted to re elect a Democrat to the White House. The first President I could vote for I did. It was Reagan.

57 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:15:01pm

graphic: "makers" and "takers" by state

"taker" majorities all in red states

58 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:15:45pm
59 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:15:59pm

re: #52 Shiplord Kirel

Alf Landon was the kind of Republican they just don't have anymore.

He died on October 12,1987, at 100 years and 33 days of age.

Interesting. I don't know too much about him. I'm amazed he lived into my lifetime, I'm 25 so he died when I was only a few months old.

60 freetoken  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:15:59pm

Getting wide play on the 'net, xkcd's massive (truly massive) new entry:

[Link: xkcd.com...]

61 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:16:00pm

re: #25 Targetpractice

"Ray's gone bye-bye, Egon. What have you got left?"

"Sorry, Venkman...I'm terrified beyond the capacity for rational thought."

62 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:16:52pm

Mitt just wrapped up his Univision appearance where he apparently told viewers 3 times that he was for "the 100% of Americans". In other news, they really love women. Hooray for women.

63 erik_t  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:18:34pm

re: #56 Daniel Ballard

I just realized this will be the first time I ever voted to re elect a Democrat to the White House. The first President I could vote for I did. It was Reagan.

Sure, but this is a sample size of one...

64 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:19:04pm

re: #36 jaunte

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U.S. Senator Warns Iraq Over Flights Into Syria
By JOHN H. CUSHMAN Jr.
Published: September 19, 2012

Excerpt:

The administration has been protesting for at least a month the resumption in July of flights that Iraq’s government has allowed to cross uninspected over Iraqi territory to Syria from Iran, in violation of international sanctions.

“If so many people have entreated the government to stop and that doesn’t seem to be having an impact,” Mr. Kerry said, “that sort of alarms me a little bit and seems to send a signal to me maybe we should make some of our assistance or some of our support contingent on some kind of appropriate response.”

65 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:19:04pm
66 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:19:43pm

re: #60 freetoken

Getting wide play on the 'net, xkcd's massive (truly massive) new entry:

[Link: xkcd.com...]

Yeah, I posted that back a few hours ago on the last thread

That click-and-drag panel is massive...and detailed, too.

67 freetoken  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:20:33pm

re: #66 Gert Fröbe

Yeah, I posted that back a few hours ago on the last thread

That click-and-drag panel is massive...and detailed, too.

Oops, sorry to double post.

Anyway, lots of gems hidden in there.

68 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:20:49pm

re: #65 darthstar

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Romney must think Latino voters are fucking stupid. Well he thinks that way o fall voters but wow describing Kobach as just an informal adviser?

69 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:21:24pm

re: #60 freetoken

Getting wide play on the 'net, xkcd's massive (truly massive) new entry:

[Link: xkcd.com...]

It's an amazing post. I'd love to know how that was put together.

70 erik_t  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:21:59pm

re: #66 Gert Fröbe

Yeah, I posted that back a few hours ago on the last thread

That click-and-drag panel is massive...and detailed, too.

There's a zoomable version to help you if you get lost. And a keyboardable version to save your mousing fingers.

71 erik_t  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:23:18pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

It's an amazing post. I'd love to know how that was put together.

2048x2048 pixel pngs, handing off from image to image as you scroll. Most of the tapestry is hardcoded white or black based on whether it's north or south of the baseline. Total image size is 165888x79872 pixels.

72 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:23:22pm

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Add Heller from Nevada as another Republican seeking the Senate distancing himself from Romney's idiocy. Oh, and good news on the housing market it seems too. Also see that Romney is running with the 1998 comments made by then State Senator Obama. Really, Mitt? But we're not allowed to scrutinize your business record or the positions you had during that time? Dude's a fucking hypocrite.

73 gwangung  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:24:00pm

re: #68 HappyWarrior

Romney must think Latino voters are fucking stupid. Well he thinks that way o fall voters but wow describing Kobach as just an informal adviser?

Republicans in general think Latino voters are stupid. And African American voters. Not Asian American voters because they bought into the stereotype that Asians are super smart (and thus, honorary whites).

74 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:25:30pm

re: #30 darthstar

Time to buy Romney stock on Intrade!

I thought of doing a good bit of that. If Obama wins, I'll be very happy. If Romney wins, I'll make enough money to stay drunk for four years.

75 freetoken  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:26:10pm

re: #69 Charles Johnson

I'm loving the "The walls ... worn smooth by billions of tumbling Mario corpses."

76 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:30:02pm

re: #25 Targetpractice

"Ray's gone bye-bye, Egon. What have you got left?"

"I'm sorry Venkman. I'm terrified beyond the capacity for rational thought."

77 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:30:44pm

Netanyahu ad to debut in Florida

78 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:31:22pm

re: #77 Gus

Netanyahu ad to debut in Florida

The pollster for Secure America Now is John McLaughlin, who has worked with Netanyahu's Likud Party.

79 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:35:25pm

I am sure nobody in either country would mind too much if Obama started actively campaigning for the opposition in Israel. /

80 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:36:17pm

re: #77 Gus

As a Jewish woman, all I can say is that this ad will probably "appeal" to a number of Christians, because, well, you know America HAS to protect Israel to ward off Armageddon, than it will the target demographic.

81 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:36:22pm

re: #77 Gus

Netanyahu ad to debut in Florida

"...America's strength, not apologies"

My dog is rolling about the floor with his paws over his ears.

82 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:37:18pm

re: #81 Decatur Deb

"...America's strength, not apologies"

My dog is rolling about the floor with his paws over his ears.

Smart dog. Really, just because they accuse the president of being an apologist a gazillion times doesn't make him one.

83 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:37:25pm

re: #75 freetoken

I'm loving the "The walls ... worn smooth by billions of tumbling Mario corpses."

Till the most recent game. It has Mario collecting coins as a bigger deal than before. What they don't tell you is that if Mario collects a few more than million, you get a special ending where he invests the gold with Bain Capital. Mitt Romney then executes a hostile takeover of Koopa Industries, throws Bowser and every last Koopa out of work, and moves their Evil Devices production lines to Mexico.

/I'm wholly kidding, of course.

84 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:37:26pm

re: #81 Decatur Deb

"It burrrns, it freeezes"- my election cycle mantra since 2010

85 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:40:08pm

re: #77 Gus

Netanyahu ad to debut in Florida

Don't fall for it. It's a wingnut superpac, not a Likud ad. More bad reporting and people playing political games with issues far to dangerous to be fucking with.

86 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:40:31pm
87 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:42:36pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Don't fall for it. It's a wingnut superpac, not a Likud ad. More bad reporting and people playing political games with issues far to dangerous to be fucking with.

So PM Netanyahu will be all over the airways tomorrow, calling the TPGOP out, right?

88 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:42:52pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

So PM Netanyahu will be all over the airways tomorrow, calling the TPGOP out, right?

Lol, no.

89 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:43:19pm

re: #66 Gert Fröbe

Yeah, I posted that back a few hours ago on the last thread

That click-and-drag panel is massive...and detailed, too.

It's 6:41...I clicked your link 20 minutes ago and just finished scrolling through that image...all the way to the right, then all the way to the left, with a detour down the tunnel. But it was worth it, as I saw this little shout out to Elizabeth Warren.

Image: Screen_Shot_2012-09-19_at_6.34.01_PM.png

90 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:43:23pm

re: #82 HappyWarrior

My "if I see/hear/read one more time my head will explode" meme, leitmotif of crazy is the "He BOWED TO SOMEONE of a different, and evil religion" nonsence. . .grrrrrr

91 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:44:03pm

re: #85 Killgore Trout

Don't fall for it. It's a wingnut superpac, not a Likud ad. More bad reporting and people playing political games with issues far to dangerous to be fucking with.

Where's the bad reporting. They say who it's from...

The spot is the work of a c4 called Secure America Now - which, thanks to its tax status, doesn't have to disclose its donors.

92 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:44:04pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

No he will not. . .and it is telling

93 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:45:08pm

re: #90 DisturbedEma

My "if I see/hear/read one more time my head will explode" meme, leitmotif of crazy is the "He BOWED TO SOMEONE of a different, and evil religion" nonsence. . .grrrrrr

Yeah. But hey when you got bullshit to sell, you have to peddle hard.

94 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:47:34pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

Word, my friend

95 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:47:56pm

re: #93 HappyWarrior

Yeah. But hey when you got bullshit to sell, you have to peddle hard.

Especially if you have to peddle it uphill.

96 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:48:08pm

re: #91 Gus

Where's the bad reporting. They say who it's from...

The spot is the work of a c4 called Secure America Now - which, thanks to its tax status, doesn't have to disclose its donors.

FREE SPEECH1111!!1!

97 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:49:00pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Add Heller from Nevada as another Republican seeking the Senate distancing himself from Romney's idiocy. Oh, and good news on the housing market it seems too. Also see that Romney is running with the 1998 comments made by then State Senator Obama. Really, Mitt? But we're not allowed to scrutinize your business record or the positions you had during that time? Dude's a fucking hypocrite.

Romney is supposed to be in Las Vegas on Friday.

98 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:49:53pm

re: #97 Sionainn

Romney is supposed to be in Las Vegas on Friday.

Gotta spend all that money somehow...
/

99 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:52:00pm

re: #98 Varek Raith

Gotta spend all that money somehow...
/

I should go and boo him...or just laugh hysterically.

100 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:52:18pm
101 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:53:26pm

re: #100 Mocking Jay

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Cement coat-tails.

102 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:53:31pm

re: #96 Varek Raith

FREE SPEECH1111!!1!

God bless Murica! Land of the free!

103 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:54:07pm

re: #99 Sionainn

I should go and boo him...or just laugh hysterically.

Or...better idea...I could try and get a spot right behind him and roll my eyes. I'm really good at that.

104 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:54:17pm

re: #102 Gus

God bless Murica! Land of the freierim!

Translated that for ya.

105 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:54:30pm

re: #101 Decatur Deb

Cement coat-tails.

The best they had...

106 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:56:39pm

re: #101 Decatur Deb

Cement coat-tails.

Just like turtles, those coat-tails go all the way down.

107 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:57:04pm

Wait, what?

108 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:58:37pm

re: #107 Lidane

Wait, what?

[Embedded content]

But El Caudillo is still dead.

109 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:58:52pm

re: #107 Lidane

Wait, what?

[Embedded content]

He beat down the filthy commies.

110 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:59:32pm

Isn't Romney supposed to be releasing his "plan" in 1 minute?

111 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:00:55pm

re: #110 Sionainn

Isn't Romney supposed to be releasing his "plan" in 1 minute?

No, I think that's his 'flan'. He's been lunching with the new GOP Hispanic Majority.

113 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:02:22pm

whoa

114 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:03:32pm

re: #109 Mocking Jay

He beat down the filthy commies.

Never mind that he came to power in a coup that led to the Spanish Civil War, dissolved Parliament and was a dictator for over 40 years. He beat the Commies!

WTF is it with these right wing douchebags and their love of dictators like Franco and Pinochet? It makes no goddamn sense.

115 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:03:59pm

re: #113 Mocking Jay

holee shit

As Mitt Romney said, 47% of the people that are living off the public dole, living off their neighbors’ hard work, and we have a lot of people out there that are too lazy to get up and get out there and get the ID they need. If individuals are too lazy, the state can’t fix that.

116 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:04:44pm

Only half of America deserves to vote.

117 freetoken  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:04:48pm

re: #115 Mocking Jay

As emphasized earlier, the GOP is quite concerned about the deadly sin of sloth.

118 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:04:51pm

re: #109 Mocking Jay

He beat down the filthy commies vagina-havers.

Francoism professed a devotion to the traditional role of women in society, that is: loving child to her parents and brothers, faithful to her husband, residing with her family. Official propaganda confined her role to family care and motherhood. Immediately after the war, most progressive laws passed by the Republic aimed at equality between the sexes were made void. Women could not become judges, or testify in trial. They could not become university professors. Their affairs and economy had to be managed by their father or by their husbands. Even in the 1970s a woman fleeing from an abusive husband could be arrested and imprisoned for "abandoning the home" (abandono del hogar). Until the 1970s a woman could not have a bank account without a co-sign by her father or husband.[65] In the 1960s and 1970s the situation was somewhat relieved, but it was not until after Franco's death that a more egalitarian view of the sexes was adopted.

--Wikipedia.

119 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:05:11pm

re: #112 Gus

Hillel Neuer: New UN human rights official is a hero to Holocaust deniers

[facepalm]

120 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:05:37pm

re: #119 Dark_Falcon

[facepalm]

Looking for a second opinion.

121 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:05:38pm

re: #118 The Ghost of a Flea

--Wikipedia.

Whoa. I was just giving the answer I would expect from a typical right-winger.

122 jaunte  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:05:40pm

The Veterans Jobs Corp Act would have trained and employed veterans for jobs in forests, wildlife refuges, parks, cemeteries and other public lands. Murray proposed paying for the $1 billion tab over five years in part by collecting delinquent taxes from Medicare providers and suppliers and from individuals with more than $50,000 in unpaid taxes.

123 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:06:25pm
124 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:07:05pm
125 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:07:06pm

re: #112 Gus

Hillel Neuer: New UN human rights official is a hero to Holocaust deniers

Heilige Scheiße!

126 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:07:23pm

re: #123 Lidane

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Second place gets a set of steak knives.

127 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:07:43pm

re: #124 darthstar

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I saw that before. The article says he's into "water sports." Tee hee.

128 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:08:54pm

re: #125 Sheila Brovlofski

Heilige Scheiße!

I know. I read Alfred-Maurice de Zayas Wiki page. Can't really see anything about these allegations.

129 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:09:41pm

re: #126 Decatur Deb

Second place gets a set of steak knives.

And once I get a job, I'll be able to afford a steak! Maybe. Heh.

130 jaunte  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:10:15pm

Nicholas Kristof:

As I watched a video of Mitt Romney scolding moochers suffering from a culture of dependency, I thought of American soldiers I’ve met in Afghanistan and Iraq. They don’t pay federal income tax while they’re in combat zones, and they rely on government benefits when they come back.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

131 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:10:16pm

re: #122 jaunte

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Honestly, I think the creation of a new "jobs corps" would have been a mistake. There are already employment for veterans programs both within the federal government and at the state level. A brand new agency with its own structure with be unneeded duplication of functions.

132 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:10:28pm

re: #129 Lidane

And once I get a job, I'll be able to afford a steak! Maybe. Heh.

Pfft. 47 percenter.

134 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:10:38pm
135 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:11:19pm

re: #124 darthstar

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What a dreamboat...

*retch*

136 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:11:23pm

re: #97 Sionainn

Shoot, I'll miss my chance to heckle- my husband and I are going first weekend in October. . .boo

137 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:11:26pm

re: #121 Mocking Jay

Whoa. I was just giving the answer I would expect from a typical right-winger.

I wasn't responding as a criticism of you or your post. I just think it's (a) an interesting facet of Franco's reign that gets overlooked and (b) fits in very neatly with the occasional rwnj outburst of Franco lionization.

138 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:11:58pm

re: #126 Decatur Deb

Second place gets a set of steak knives.

Third prize is you're fired!

Salespeople tend to know that speech by Alec Baldwin's character in Glengarry Glen Ross very well.

139 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:12:17pm

re: #137 The Ghost of a Flea

I wasn't responding as a criticism of you or your post. I just think it's (a) an interesting facet of Franco's reign that gets overlooked and (b) fits in very neatly with the occasional rwnj outburst of Franco lionization.

I had a Spanish teacher in high school who loved him. The place was very clean and the trains ran on time.

140 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:12:17pm

re: #132 Mocking Jay

Pfft. 47 percenter.

Yep. Comes with the "poor recent grad" territory.

With any luck, I'll have an income worth taxing soon.

141 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:12:19pm

from mitt's secret tape: how republicans take advantage of the fact that people - even rich people - don't have a fucking clue what the meaning of the phrase "unfunded liability" is:

It's a front-page story: the headline once a year, it somehow escapes people's attention, and that is, if you take the total national debt and the unfunded liabilities of Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid, the amount of debt plus unfunded liabilities per household in America is $520,000. Per household.

an "unfunded liability" is a prediction of the shortfall for future financial obligations given predictions of income at the current rate

for some term of years in the future - it is not a figure for a debt due now

it has no meaning if you don't give the term of years in the future you are making the prediction for

which they never fucking do

142 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:12:35pm

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

Really? Do you know anybody who tried to use the existing program? Any idea how it works? Just wondering. . .

143 jaunte  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:13:11pm

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma said the federal government already has six job-training programs for veterans and there is no way to know how well they are working. He argued that making progress on the country’s debt was the best way to help veterans in the long-term.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

That's apparently the party line.

144 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:13:21pm

Capitalism at its finest:

145 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:13:43pm

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

Honestly, I think the creation of a new "jobs corps" would have been a mistake. There are already employment for veterans programs both within the federal government and at the state level. A brand new agency with its own structure with be unneeded duplication of functions.

Jobs corps work. Veterans are already under enough stress trying to readjust to civilian life after multiple deployments into war zones. Giving them a helping hand isn't a bad thing, and an additional resource would have been a good thing. For someone who claims to be pro-military, this is an interesting position for you to take.

146 freetoken  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:13:45pm

re: #141 engineer cat

math iz hard

147 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:14:05pm

re: #133 Charles Johnson

National Review's obituary for Francisco Franco, written by James Burnham

Quote:

The whole concept of "fascism" for that matter has been a fraud from the beginning. Like "peaceful coexistence" and "detente," it is a tactical invention of the Soviet Agitprop, and boils down in practice to the simple definition: fascism is any regime that outlaws Communism…

Jonah Goldberg has a sad. Or at least he should, but he's an insincere hack.

148 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:15:39pm

re: #143 jaunte

Ok, my brain is melting right now- being the sister and mother of vets. . .ifyou have ever had to try (not be assured) to get into any program, you know the insanity that can (and usually does) ensue

149 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:15:49pm

Huh.

150 jaunte  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:16:52pm

re: #148 DisturbedEma

I think we owe them the help.

151 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:17:08pm

re: #149 Mocking Jay

Huh.

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DDoS jihadis. That's a change I can believe in.

152 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:17:33pm

re: #148 DisturbedEma

Ok, my brain is melting right now- being the sister and mother of vets. . .ifyou have ever had to try (not be assured) to get into any program, you know the insanity that can (and usually does) ensue

Couch warrior says differently. Yeah, it defies reason.

153 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:17:42pm

re: #150 jaunte

I think we owe them the help.

Should have included ex-missionaries in the program--wouldda passed.

154 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:17:53pm

re: #145 darthstar

what is needed, based on my family's efforts, is for programs to recognize that Vets are not like displaced homemakers, or civilian unemployed- there doesn't seem to be any recognition of the need to help Vets transition into a life free of combat situations and such.

155 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:18:03pm

re: #145 darthstar

Veterans are already under enough stress trying to readjust to civilian life after multiple deployments into war zones. Giving them a helping hand isn't a bad thing, and an additional resource would have been a good thing.

THIS.

When I started grad school, there were 25 of us in our group. We graduated with 24. The one that dropped out was a war vet who'd just come back after multiple tours in Afghanistan.

He had a super hard time adjusting to civilian life again, even with the university and the VA working together to try and help him out. The school even offered to defer his admission for a year to give him time to work things out. Eventually, he dropped out and now he's got a small business with some friends and he seems happier and in a better place.

He's not the only vet who's in that position. A job corps that is specific to veterans and which would help them readjust to civilian life and run by people who know what they're going through would be amazing. It's a shame it got killed.

156 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:18:23pm
157 danarchy  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:18:30pm

re: #149 Mocking Jay

Huh.

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Denial of Service =/= Hacked

158 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:18:58pm

re: #157 danarchy

Denial of Service =/= Hacked

Super Spam!

159 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:19:17pm

re: #149 Mocking Jay

Down with modern infidels.

Hooray!
/

160 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:20:18pm

re: #155 Lidane

my brother is still trying to reaclimate to a life here- he is doing his best but between reclaiming ties with his kids, and his wife AND trying to find a role outside of combat trained soldier. . .it is tough.

161 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:20:19pm

re: #145 darthstar

Jobs corps work. Veterans are already under enough stress trying to readjust to civilian life after multiple deployments into war zones. Giving them a helping hand isn't a bad thing, and an additional resource would have been a good thing. For someone who claims to be pro-military, this is an interesting position for you to take.

What I'm saying is that I think we could do that without a new federal agency. If the current systems are flawed, reform them. But don't just leave them in place and erect a new system right alongside them. Because I can say from work experience that duplication of functions is a recipe for serious problem with government.

162 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:20:21pm

re: #157 danarchy

Denial of Service =/= Hacked

I was really just making a joke.

163 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:20:37pm

Modern Infidels are the worst kind.

164 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:21:05pm

re: #155 Lidane

It really fucking pisses me off when couch warriors defend killing programs for veterans out of party loyalty and then get all hawkish over possible other conflicts pushed by the neocons. They make my skin crawl.

165 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:21:45pm

re: #164 darthstar

Amen

166 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:22:38pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

Rainbows and unicorns for all. . .sorry that is what came to mind reading this

167 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:22:47pm

re: #161 Dark_Falcon

You're a couch warrior. Duplication of functions? What the fuck is that supposed to mean? You don't want to spend a little extra money to help those who put their lives on the line for your sorry ass? Fuck that shit. Fuck it hard. End of conversation.

168 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:24:38pm

Not when oil corporations need their welfare checks!
/

169 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:25:03pm

re: #167 darthstar

I see this every day- there is a diffence between Vets coming home to spouses and those coming home to parents. My brother is trying so hard, as is my son, but at the end of the day, despite the fact that they ARE both Vets, they are not "the same" but the same blanket help is offered- and it is weird how hard it is to get help. . .

170 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:26:22pm

Methinks Hillel Neuer might be over-stating his case again. Much like Aigle. I'll keep an open mind but for now nothing really stands out and the only thing against him is based on Hillel Neuer's interpretation.

171 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:27:23pm

re: #149 Mocking Jay

Huh.

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We're doomed!

172 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:28:21pm

re: #167 darthstar

It means he agrees that Vets are part of the 47%

173 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:29:25pm

Cripes. Registered for some bumper stickers for Obama and now they won't stop sending me emails.

174 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:29:46pm

re: #160 DisturbedEma

my brother is still trying to reaclimate to a life here- he is doing his best but between reclaiming ties with his kids, and his wife AND trying to find a role outside of combat trained soldier. . .it is tough.

Yeah, it's not easy. Combat vets get put through the wringer when they get back. I'm just glad that my friend seems to have found a better place for himself, but sadly a lot of vets don't. And if he hadn't had the VA and government programs to help him it would have been impossible.

A job corps specific to vets is something that we need to have. You can't send someone halfway around the world to fight on your behalf then expect them to walk the unemployment line or send out resumes on LinkedIn like everyone else. They need to readjust to civilian life, get any training they might need, get help with things like job interview skills, etc. It's definitely a valuable idea.

175 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:31:03pm

re: #173 Gus

Cripes. Registered for some bumper stickers for Obama and now they won't stop sending me emails.

And the whole reason I didn't register for those bumper stickers is because I bought a couple of pins back in 2008 and I'm still on the mailing list. They clog my inbox on a daily basis already. Hah.

176 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:32:05pm

re: #174 Lidane

Government agencies do not understand the reality that Vets lived with there, and do not understand the challanges that come with trying to be "normal" again. . .luckily my sister in law was a military "brat" and has been an angel. . .

177 recusancy  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:32:38pm

re: #173 Gus

Cripes. Registered for some bumper stickers for Obama and now they won't stop sending me emails.

You're aware there's an unsubscribe option right?

178 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:32:55pm

re: #177 recusancy

You're aware there's an unsubscribe option right?

Yeah. ;)

179 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:33:00pm

re: #173 Gus

Cripes. Registered for some bumper stickers for Obama and now they won't stop sending me emails.

But they're really quality spam--got some from POTUS, FLOTUS, VP. Joe's gonna teach me how to pick up chicks.

180 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:33:19pm

re: #177 recusancy

You're aware there's an unsubscribe option right?

I just wanna torture myself a little bit longer too.

181 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:33:25pm

re: #177 recusancy

You're aware there's an unsubscribe option right?

You're aware that "unsubscribe" is often a way to prove that the email address they're spamming is actually active?

182 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:33:57pm

re: #181 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

You're aware that "unsubscribe" is often a way to prove that the email address they're spamming is actually active?

I'm doomed!

183 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:34:17pm

Throw away email accounts FTW!

184 recusancy  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:34:27pm

re: #181 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

You're aware that "unsubscribe" is often a way to prove that the email address they're spamming is actually active?

Yeah, for illegal spammers. I'm pretty sure the Obama campaign will follow federal guidelines.

185 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:34:45pm

re: #180 Gus

masochist. . .I like that, I'm a mom ;)

186 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:34:47pm
187 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:34:47pm

re: #184 recusancy

Yeah, for illegal spammers. I'm pretty sure the Obama campaign will follow federal guidelines.

No doubt.

188 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:35:26pm

re: #184 recusancy

Yeah, for illegal spammers. I'm pretty sure the Obama campaign will follow federal guidelines.

The Kenyan usurper?

/

189 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:35:30pm

re: #184 recusancy

Yeah, for illegal spammers. I'm pretty sure the Obama campaign will follow federal guidelines.

You and your logic. Next you're going to tell me that Captain Douchecanoe is a moron.

190 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:35:33pm

It's not that big a deal. I was just sayin'.

191 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:35:55pm

re: #167 darthstar

You're a couch warrior. Duplication of functions? What the fuck is that supposed to mean? You don't want to spend a little extra money to help those who put their lives on the line for your sorry ass? Fuck that shit. Fuck it hard. End of conversation.

Duplication of functions is what happens when you have multiple agencies trying to do the same thing with the same people or areas. I have as a result of my prior employment seen the mess such poor setups can leave. If the setup of agency function is not done right, then the agencies get in each other's way and the result is ineffectiveness and waste. And this isn't just at the federal level, this can also occur when state and federal agencies don't properly coordinate.

If agencies within the Department of Veteran's Affairs are failing in their mission to find jobs for veterans, then by all means overhaul or replace them. But don't do it by simply setting up a new agency, because it is liable to create more problems than it solves. Such an overhaul needs to be done with through and careful planning, and this one wasn't. Much of the fault for that lies at the door of Congress, for failing at its job of overseeing federal programs.

So while the job corps bill not passing is the outcome I favored, I am displeased with the outcome ever so. Because I know that more can and should be done. Members of Congress need to stop shouting slogans and do their damn jobs and voters need to insist that they do so. Oversight is sometimes tedious, and it is seldom 'sexy' but it is very necessary.

192 DisturbedEma  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:36:00pm

Gonna settle my angels in bed for the night- I am so glad to be back here, Lizards you make things so much better. . .

193 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:40:03pm

re: #192 DisturbedEma

Gonna settle my angels in bed for the night- I am so glad to be back here, Lizards you make things so much better. . .

Take care.

194 sagehen  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:40:56pm

re: #179 Decatur Deb

But they're really quality spam--got some from POTUS, FLOTUS, VP. Joe's gonna teach me how to pick up chicks.

Image: baby-chicks.jpg

195 palomino  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:42:02pm

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

Fuck those people who get help from the VA, especially if, like my own Mom, they were Army nurses during WWII.

I didn't realize it until two days ago, but that old slacker (she only raised 4 kids, served in the Army and worked as nurse during and after WWII til she met my Dad, a Dr. who served in the Coast Guard). She would be part of the contemptible 47% had my Dad been less financially successful. What assholes my parents were. Thanks, Mitt, for showing me the light.

196 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:43:08pm

(Talking about favorable/unfavorable ratings)

197 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:43:31pm

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

We need to slow down the whole congressional process.

198 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:43:42pm

[Link: www.rollcall.com...]

"So on Monday mornings ... I've noticed I have an attitude problem," Coburn said. "I don't want to come [to work] anymore. And the reason I don't want to come anymore is because we're not doing anything to address the real problems that are in front of our country.
"We are ignoring the real problems so we can create political contrasts for an election, all the while our country is sinking, sinking and sinking," Coburn continued.

Problems like... jobs?

199 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:44:22pm

re: #198 Mocking Jay

[Link: www.rollcall.com...]

Problems like... jobs?

Abortion.
Gays.

200 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:45:18pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

I'm in developer Nirvana.

Believe that's known as "nerdvana".

201 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:46:11pm

I gotta run. Borderlands 2 ain't gonna play itself.

202 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:47:39pm

re: #57 engineer cat

graphic: "makers" and "takers" by state

"taker" majorities all in red states

But ALASKA...

203 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:47:57pm

18th century congressional protocols.

204 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:48:02pm

Look out, it could get even worse:

Because we've all seen the positive effect in the polls whenever Mitt opens his mouth.

205 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:48:09pm

re: #195 palomino

Fuck those people who get help from the VA, especially if, like my own Mom, they were Army nurses during WWII.

I didn't realize it until two days ago, but that old slacker (she only raised 4 kids, served in the Army and worked as nurse during and after WWII til she met my Dad, a Dr. who served in the Coast Guard). She would be part of the contemptible 47% had my Dad been less financially successful. What assholes my parents were. Thanks, Mitt, for showing me the light.

Goddamn it, I'M NOT SAYING THAT! What I am saying is that poorly done reforms are liable to do more harm than good.

206 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:48:46pm

re: #204 JamesWI

Look out, it could get even worse:

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Because we've all seen the positive effect in the polls whenever Mitt opens his mouth.

Their best chance was Mitt on Mute but he went and F-ed that all up.

207 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:49:05pm

re: #204 JamesWI

Look out, it could get even worse:

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Because we've all seen the positive effect in the polls whenever Mitt opens his mouth.

That, right there, gives me hope for this election. Yes, Mitt. Keep going out there and running your big-ass mouth. Please. We beg you.

208 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:49:18pm

re: #202 SanFranciscoZionist

But ALASKA...

People's Republic of Alaska just sent $890 or so to every resident from their nationalized oil revenues.

209 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:49:35pm

re: #79 bratwurst

I am sure nobody in either country would mind too much if Obama started actively campaigning for the opposition in Israel. /

I, for one, would be wildly entertained. Shelly would look so cute in photo ops with him.

210 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:49:52pm

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

Goddamn it, I'M NOT SAYING THAT! What I am saying is that poorly done reforms are liable to do more harm than good.

See. And that's what Democrats want people to think about Republicans. And it worked. The Republicans even made sure of that. All to get the approval of Grover Norquist and the Tea Party.

211 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:49:54pm

re: #191 Dark_Falcon

If agencies within the Department of Veteran's Affairs are failing in their mission to find jobs for veterans, then by all means overhaul or replace them. But don't do it by simply setting up a new agency, because it is liable to create more problems than it solves.

You really don't understand what you're talking about. The current Vocational Rehabilitation and Employment Service is only tasked with working with disabled veterans, not returning veterans in general:

The Vocational Rehabilitation and Employment (VR&E) VetSuccess Program is authorized by Congress under Title 38, Code of Federal Regulations, Chapter 31. It is sometimes referred to as the Chapter 31 program. The VetSuccess program assists Veterans with service-connected disabilities to prepare for, find, and keep suitable jobs.

The proposed Veterans Jobs Corps Bill worked under the Department of Veteran's Affairs to give certain preferences to veterans in hiring that do not exist now. You should read it, it doesn't create a new agency per se, it directs currently existing agencies to cooperate in prioritizing the hiring of veterans and consideration of veterans for certain grants and contracts.

212 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:50:16pm

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

Goddamn it, I'M NOT SAYING THAT! What I am saying is that poorly done reforms are liable to do more harm than good.

Why is it the natural instinct of the right to assume every government run program is and will always be a clusterfuck.

213 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:51:17pm

re: #212 Mich-again

Why is it the natural instinct of the right to assume every government run program is and will always be a clusterfuck.

True, sometimes they're not cluster fucks.

//

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:51:23pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

So PM Netanyahu will be all over the airways tomorrow, calling the TPGOP out, right?

That would be, unfortunately, about as inappropriate as promoting the ad himself.

215 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:51:36pm

All right. Who ordered all this green paint?

216 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:51:52pm

re: #212 Mich-again

Why is it the natural instinct of the right to assume every government run program is and will always be a clusterfuck.

Not every program...just every program proposed during a Democratic administration. They can pull these bills they killed out if Romney wins and pass them with bipartisan support (because they're good) and then take credit for them.

217 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:52:07pm
The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.

- P. J. O'Rourke

218 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:52:21pm

re: #208 Decatur Deb

People's Republic of Alaska just sent $890 or so to every resident from their nationalized oil revenues.

I don't get that. Every single year, Alaska is a drain on the US budget. More federal taxes roll in than roll out. Alaska is a moocher state. And people sit around and wait for paychecks for doing nothing.

219 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:52:21pm

GOP should have supported this though. Bad political move.

220 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:52:25pm

Guess what? That whole "redistribution" video that was supposed to be Romney's "surprise".......yeah, they found the whole video, and:

221 gwangung  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:52:50pm

re: #212 Mich-again

Why is it the natural instinct of the right to assume every government run program is and will always be a clusterfuck.

Particularly when it seems like they haven't read up on the issue in question and their concerns are about non-existent issues.

222 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:53:02pm

re: #217 Varek Raith

- P. J. O'Rourke

I think it's somewhere in between. I'll gladly remain a government skeptic.

223 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:53:31pm

re: #214 SanFranciscoZionist

That would be, unfortunately, about as inappropriate as promoting the ad himself.

If Obama and our thugs go all 'Chicago' on the ad, the PM is going to learn what 'collateral damage' means.

224 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:54:28pm

re: #218 Mich-again

I don't get that. Every single year, Alaska is a drain on the US budget. More federal taxes roll in than roll out. Alaska is a moocher state. And people sit around and wait for paychecks for doing nothing.

"You can't eat scenery."
--Local Hero

225 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:54:32pm

re: #222 Gus

I think it's somewhere in between. I'll gladly remain a government skeptic.

It's odd that the GOP sound like anarchists now.
Ah well.

226 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:54:35pm

re: #212 Mich-again

Why is it the natural instinct of the right to assume every government run program is and will always be a clusterfuck.

In my case its what I learned about the difficult time government agencies have working with each other. From that, I've developed a strong concern for making sure things are done right, and I've learned the importance of proper oversight.

But whatever you think of me, don't imagine I don't care. Because selling events on military health gave me some insight into what's at stake. Maybe not as much insight as others here, but enough to make sure that I'm not going to stop caring.

227 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:55:57pm

The full comment from the "redistribution" video:

I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot. How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities.

The comment as edited, that appeared on Drudge and Fox News:

I think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot.

228 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:56:04pm

WTF.
My mouse wheel broke....

229 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:56:29pm

re: #228 Varek Raith

WTF.
My mouse wheel broke....

Bummer.

230 gwangung  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:57:19pm

re: #227 JamesWI

The full comment from the "redistribution" video:

The comment as edited, that appeared on Drudge and Fox News:

Well, surprise sur-PRISE.

231 jaunte  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:57:33pm

re: #210 Gus

See. And that's what Democrats want people to think about Republicans. And it worked. The Republicans even made sure of that. All to get the approval of Grover Norquist and the Tea Party.

Republicans seem to worry more about inefficiencies in military-related programs when veterans are involved, not so much when the programs are about acquiring weapons systems.

232 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:57:33pm

I now have to use this thing called a 'spacebar' to scroll.
Medieval.

233 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:58:05pm

Gotta read the fine print on those bills too. Sometimes it will be 1 billion dollars for said item in title of bill but get broken up into different departments through amendments.

234 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:58:21pm

re: #220 JamesWI

Guess what? That whole "redistribution" video that was supposed to be Romney's "surprise".......yeah, they found the whole video, and:

[Embedded content]

Gee, what a surprise.

They should release the long-form of that video, just to fuck with the wingnuts. Redistribution of government funds AND competition in the marketplace? Who knew?

235 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:58:44pm

re: #232 Varek Raith

I now have to use this thing called a 'spacebar' to scroll.
Medieval.

isthatwhatthatlongkeyisfor?

236 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:59:08pm

re: #231 jaunte

Republicans seem to worry more about inefficiencies in military-related programs when veterans are involved, not so much when the programs are about acquiring weapons systems.

Yep. You get a nicer gun with Republicans. And a much better hospital stay with Democrats.

237 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:59:43pm

re: #225 Varek Raith

It's odd that the GOP sound like anarchists now.
Ah well.

That's because a bunch of economic illiterates decided that Ayn Rand and Ludwig von Mises weren't totally full of shit, and they convinced a bunch of other people that they had Serious Ideas.

238 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:59:48pm

re: #232 Varek Raith

I now have to use this thing called a 'spacebar' to scroll.
Medieval.

How quaint...

/Montgomery Scott

239 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:59:49pm

re: #220 JamesWI

Guess what? That whole "redistribution" video that was supposed to be Romney's "surprise".......yeah, they found the whole video, and:

[Embedded content]

Heh that's what happens when you're desperate.

240 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:59:52pm

re: #235 darthstar

isthatwhatthatlongkeyisfor?

Apparently.
I thought it was just the jump key.
Who knew?

241 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:59:59pm

re: #231 jaunte

Republicans seem to worry more about inefficiencies in military-related programs when veterans are involved, not so much when the programs are about acquiring weapons systems.

Not this Republican. I've also learned of the need for procurement reform, and that need is dire.

242 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:00:15pm

re: #238 Gert Fröbe

How quaint...

/Montgomery Scott

Computer? Computer...?

243 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:00:22pm

Fuck it, I'm giving in. I spend enough time on Twitter now looking for these things, I might as well join.


........Goddamnit! /

244 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:00:25pm

Human resources vs. material resources.

245 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:01:02pm

re: #227 JamesWI

The full comment from the "redistribution" video:

The comment as edited, that appeared on Drudge and Fox News:

That's what I've been saying since this video suddenly appeared. Obama was discussing the redistribution of government services. He wasn't talking about a Marxist takeover of America.

This latest recycled "redistribution" thing is just absolutely brain-dead. Nobody is taking it seriously.

246 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:01:10pm

re: #238 Gert Fröbe

How quaint...

/Montgomery Scott

"Transparent Aluminum?!"

"Aye, that's the ticket, Laddie."

247 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:01:18pm

“We are going to look back at this as the week he got his act together, or the beginning of the end,” said a top Republican who works closely with the campaign.
The campaign is moving fast to calm nerves, especially among donors. To get a flavor of the challenge before them, a top donor said that after Romney spoke at a fundraising breakfast at the Hilton New York on Friday, a will-Mitt-win poll was taken at one table of 10 men, each of whom had paid at least $2,500 to attend, and some of whom had raised as much as $50,000 for the campaign. Not a single man said yes.

They should have called a couple of couch warriors.

248 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:01:48pm

re: #246 Dark_Falcon

"Transparent Aluminum?!"

"Aye, that's the ticket, Laddie."

How do we know he didn't invent the stuff?

249 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:02:01pm

I'm reading up for school on sexual relationships, and they've got a study from the 1990s, showing that gay men on average reported 3.1 partners in the previous year.

I thought of Zombie, and the weirdest fight I have ever had on LGF.

250 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:02:37pm

re: #249 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm reading up for school on sexual relationships, and they've got a study from the 1990s, showing that gay men on average reported 3.1 partners in the previous year.

I thought of Zombie, and the weirdest fight I have ever had on LGF.

Don't look at me!

[Hides]

251 palomino  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:02:50pm

The gop loves to refer to itself as the party of the military. But we should distinguish between pro-troop and pro-war. The gop, particularly its still potent neocon wing, is VERY pro-war. But one can make a strong case that the Dems actually care more about the people who live, get disabled, get PTSD, and die in those wars Republicans crave.

Adding insult to Mitt's 47% comments (which apply to most troops), you've got the GOP congress's actions today.

252 palomino  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:03:52pm

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

Goddamn it, I'M NOT SAYING THAT! What I am saying is that poorly done reforms are liable to do more harm than good.

I'm not saying YOU think that way. I'm saying that's the way your party thinks that way.

253 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:03:58pm

Okay...got friends driving down the coast for dinner...wife coming to meet us...Me, I'm going to walk to the restaurant so we only have one car to bring home after.

Play safe everyone (that means wear a condom when posting about Rick Santorum).

254 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:04:10pm

re: #251 palomino

The gop loves to refer to itself as the party of the military. But we should distinguish between pro-troop and pro-war. The gop, particularly its still potent neocon wing, is VERY pro-war. But one can make a strong case that the Dems actually care more about the people who live, get disabled, get PTSD, and die in those wars Republicans crave.

Adding insult to Mitt's 47% comments (which apply to most troops), you've got the GOP congress's actions today.

Thing I wonder about especially in light of today's vote is would today's Congressional Republicans oppose a GI Bill if one were proposed today like it was in 1945? There are many historians that credit that bill with building the modern American middle class not to mention the countless opportunities it gave many veterans.

255 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:05:13pm

Dr. Holdren never took over the universe.

256 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:05:17pm

Please folks, remember that I'm Dark_Falcon, not "Generic Republican." I dealt with the government and its contractors a great deal while I was at Marcus Evans and I learned much. I've also stayed here and stayed sane when others flounced. And I have also not been a hack while talking about this Veteran's jobs issue.

257 gwangung  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:05:20pm

re: #254 HappyWarrior

Thing I wonder about especially in light of today's vote is would today's Congressional Republicans oppose a GI Bill? There are many historians that credit that bill with building the modern American middle class not to mention the countless opportunities it gave many veterans.

I don't see how they wouldn't, given that I think Congressional Repbulicans have blocked expansion of GI Bill benefits.

258 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:06:01pm

re: #257 gwangung

I don't see how they wouldn't, given that I think Congressional Repbulicans have blocked expansion of GI Bill benefits.

I don't either honestly and it just astounds me.

259 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:07:04pm

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

Please folks, remember that I'm Dark_Falcon, not "Generic Republican." I dealt with the government and its contracts a great deal while I was at Marcus Evans and I learned much. I've also stayed here and stayed sane when others flounced. And I have also not been a hack while talking about this Veteran's jobs issue.

For what it's worth, I don't really see anything objectionable in what you've written . . . . today :P

260 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:07:16pm

re: #173 Gus

Cripes. Registered for some bumper stickers for Obama and now they won't stop sending me emails.

Send them a donation; I bet that will stop the emails./

261 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:08:02pm

re: #226 Dark_Falcon

In my case its what I learned about the difficult time government agencies have working with each other.

True enough.. But I like the corps idea for returning veterans. I think the camaraderie of working together with a group of other ex-military people would be a much better way to transition from military to civilian life and employment than just hitting the pavement and looking for a job with everybody else. They put their lives on the line (and on hold) to serve, the least we can do is try to find better ways to welcome them back into civilian life.

262 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:08:25pm
263 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:08:49pm

re: #261 Mich-again

True enough.. But I like the corps idea for returning veterans. I think the camaraderie of working together with a group of other ex-military people would be a much better way to transition from military to civilian life and employment than just hitting the pavement and looking for a job with everybody else. They put their lives on the line (and on hold) to serve, the least we can do is try to find better ways to welcome them back into civilian life.

Yes, that.

264 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:08:53pm

Monocles: 'Ow, do people really wear these?'
Image: monocle.photoblog600.jpg

265 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:09:50pm

re: #252 palomino

I'm not saying YOU think that way. I'm saying that's the way your party thinks that way.

But your #195 was a reply to my post, Palomino, not to a post put up by the GOP as a whole. So upon reading your post I felt that I was being attacked unfairly. You say you were not in fact going after me personally, and I'll accept that explanation. But that was not clear to me when I read your post.

266 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:10:03pm

I'd like somebody to publish an update on comparative donations from active duty military. I'm guessing that Obama is still just crushing Romney. From May of this year:

While the military traditionally votes for Republicans, President Obama is ahead of GOP rival Mitt Romney in contributions from military personnel, new campaign-finance reports indicate.

Obama has a more than 5-to-1 edge over Romney in political donations from individuals who list themselves as employees of the Defense Department or one of four military branches, a USA TODAY analysis of federal filings shows. Army employees are the biggest source of military contributions to each: $108,571 to Obama and $22,004 to Romney.

267 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:10:28pm

re: #260 aagcobb

Send them a donation; I bet that will stop the emails./

Years ago I was moving out of a rented house, right before an election. I called the landlord to tell him we were moving. His wife answered. I asked for him, and she asked who I was in a tone so chillingly hostile I swear I thought, "Oh my God, he's having an affair, and she thinks I'm HER."

I explained I was the tenant from Elm Street, and her voice changed entirely. "Oh, I'll go get him," she said, and then, apparently thinking she needed to explain, "We've been getting calls reminding him to vote all day. I am NEVER giving money to the RNC again, we're on every call list in California."

268 erik_t  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:10:31pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

Not this Republican. I've also learned of the need for procurement reform, and that need is dire.

Then why do you support a candidate that supports and justifies defense spending on a percent-of-GDP basis, rather than a system-by-system basis?

That sounds rather like the opposite of procurement reform to me.

269 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:11:52pm

re: #268 erik_t

Then why do you support a candidate that supports and justifies defense spending on a percent-of-GDP basis, rather than a system-by-system basis?

That sounds rather like the opposite of procurement reform to me.

Because I need my superlaser dammit!

270 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:14:31pm

re: #13 Daniel Ballard

I love this news I really do.

I just have one shoutout to all my Obama friends. Do Not Let This News Reduce Your Efforts.
Send some money. Talk him up. Beyond all of it get your vote in. Vote early if you have the option. Help anyone you may know that could have a hard time voting (no ride, registration issues, ID problems) get it done.

*Flicks off pa system power*

I voted today. I didn't need to wait on the debates I am one of those 47% deadbeats that would vote for Obama no matter what.

271 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:15:13pm

re: #269 Varek Raith

Because I need my superlaser dammit!

Do you really want the M2 Bradley of superlasers?

272 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:15:35pm

Haha:

273 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:15:47pm

re: #271 The Ghost of a Flea

Do you really want the M2 Bradley of superlasers?

As long as I got one shot out of it and you all pay for it...
Yep!

274 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:16:13pm

re: #271 The Ghost of a Flea

Do you really want the M2 Bradley of superlasers?

If you've got 20K for my campaign I'll approve that for you.

275 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:18:00pm

re: #271 The Ghost of a Flea

Do you really want the M2 Bradley of superlasers?

No. Given the M2's design oversights, the carrier of the M2 Bradley of superlasers would have those damned thermal exhaust ports again!

276 erik_t  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:18:03pm

re: #271 The Ghost of a Flea

Do you really want the M2 Bradley of superlasers?

PEW PEW PEW PEW

277 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:18:25pm

re: #13 Daniel Ballard

I love this news I really do.

I just have one shoutout to all my Obama friends. Do Not Let This News Reduce Your Efforts.
Send some money. Talk him up. Beyond all of it get your vote in. Vote early if you have the option. Help anyone you may know that could have a hard time voting (no ride, registration issues, ID problems) get it done.

*Flicks off pa system power*

I will vote, even though since I'm not in a swing state my vote won't matter. So in order to do something useful, I made a donation.

278 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:18:31pm

re: #276 erik_t

PEW PEW PEW PEW

Link didn't work.

279 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:18:34pm
280 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:18:52pm

That made me laugh.

281 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:19:06pm
282 erik_t  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:21:04pm

re: #278 Dark_Falcon

Link didn't work.

Did for me. Maybe weird cacheing stuff.

Try this instead.

283 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:21:14pm

Got to love those details he promised...

Mitt Romney Keeps It Vague On Immigration in Univision Interview

284 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:23:00pm

re: #282 erik_t

Did for me. Maybe weird cacheing stuff.

Try this instead.

That worked, and very cool.

285 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:23:43pm

re: #283 Kragar

Got to love those details he promised...

Mitt Romney Keeps It Vague On Immigration in Univision Interview

Idiot tried claiming he barely knew Kobach. Oh and his solution that only involves military service is a load of shit too. What does he say to people who have medical disabilities that preclude them from serving in the military?

286 erik_t  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:24:32pm

re: #284 Dark_Falcon

That worked, and very cool.

The CBO CRS analysis [linked from FAS] is instructive. We've got a long way to go to a truly useful capability.

287 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:25:07pm

Jesus. Obama is just slaughtering Romney on the 538 now cast.

288 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:25:25pm

re: #283 Kragar

Got to love those details he promised...

Mitt Romney Keeps It Vague On Immigration in Univision Interview

My grandfather would have voted for him.

289 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:26:43pm

re: #287 goddamnedfrank

Jesus. Obama is just slaughtering Romney on the 538 now cast.

Romney's helping him too. ;)

290 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:27:58pm

re: #279 Gus

[Embedded content]

Is Ronald Lauder actually the world's richest Jew? I mean, he's not hurting. But have they actually run the figures on this?

291 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:28:46pm

re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist

Is Ronald Lauder actually the world's richest Jew? I mean, he's not hurting. But have they actually run the figures on this?

I don't know. The title made me laugh too. "World's richest Jew!" And?

292 erik_t  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:29:47pm

re: #268 erik_t

Then why do you support a candidate that supports and justifies defense spending on a percent-of-GDP basis, rather than a system-by-system basis?

That sounds rather like the opposite of procurement reform to me.

Laser nerdgasm aside, still curious about this one.

293 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:29:52pm

re: #285 HappyWarrior

What does he say to people who have medical disabilities that preclude them from serving in the military?

self-deport.

294 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:30:56pm

re: #245 Charles Johnson

Obama was discussing the redistribution of government services. He wasn't talking about a Marxist takeover of America.

This latest recycled "redistribution" thing is just absolutely brain-dead. Nobody is taking it seriously.

Case in point:

296 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:31:06pm

re: #291 Gus

I don't know. The title made me laugh too. "World's richest Jew!" And?

You know 'and', Miss Daisy.

297 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:31:24pm

re: #292 erik_t

Laser nerdgasm aside, still curious about this one.

Sorry, but not tonight.

298 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:32:03pm

re: #293 aagcobb

self-deport.

Heh true enough, I just wish someone had asked him that. I myself am ineligible to serve in the military due to my heart condition.

299 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:32:16pm

Evening Honcos.

300 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:34:21pm

re: #287 goddamnedfrank

Jesus. Obama is just slaughtering Romney on the 538 now cast.

And more important, Obama's back over a 75% chance of winning on election day after having slid down over the course of the week. It will be very interesting to see what happens as polls taken after the 47% video came out are reported.

301 erik_t  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:34:22pm

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

Sorry, but not tonight.

No hurry. I patiently await. Since it's just a time issue, I've saved the links for future sniping.

302 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:36:13pm

re: #285 HappyWarrior

Idiot tried claiming he barely knew Kobach. Oh and his solution that only involves military service is a load of shit too. What does he say to people who have medical disabilities that preclude them from serving in the military?

The man who dodged the draft wants to talk about military service?

Bastard.

303 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:36:50pm

re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist

Is Ronald Lauder actually the world's richest Jew? I mean, he's not hurting. But have they actually run the figures on this?

Also--I may be missing something, but the chair of the WZO is Avraham Duvdevani. Lauder is the chair of the World Jewish Congress. I know there was some talk of merging them, but I think they're still separate organizations.

304 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:37:21pm

re: #302 Kragar

The man who dodged the draft after protesting in favor of it wants to talk about military service?

Bastard.

FTFY

305 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:37:48pm

re: #298 HappyWarrior

Heh true enough, I just wish someone had asked him that. I myself am ineligible to serve in the military due to my heart condition.

I wish someone had asked him about the 14th amendment citizenship issue. As I paged recently, there is a movement in the GOP to strip citizenship from children born here of undocumented immigrants. Its the only way that the GOP can continue to win elections as a white people's party in the future.

306 erik_t  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:38:42pm

re: #305 aagcobb

I wish someone had asked him about the 14th amendment citizenship issue. As I paged recently, there is a movement in the GOP to strip citizenship from children born here of undocumented immigrants. Its the only way that the GOP can continue to win elections as a white people's party in the future.

Corruption of Blood: Forward to the 13th Century!

307 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:39:03pm

re: #302 Kragar

The man who dodged the draft wants to talk about military service?

Bastard.

I know.........

308 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:39:20pm

re: #302 Kragar

The man who dodged the draft wants to talk about military service?

Bastard.

You don't know what it was like in the bush of France in the sixties, man.

309 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:40:24pm

re: #308 aagcobb

You don't know what it was like in the bush of France in the sixties, man.

Dude, Mittens wasn't allowed to smoke pot.

310 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:40:39pm

re: #305 aagcobb

I wish someone had asked him about the 14th amendment citizenship issue. As I paged recently, there is a movement in the GOP to strip citizenship from children born here of undocumented immigrants. Its the only way that the GOP can continue to win elections as a white people's party in the future.

Yeah that would be a good question too. I brought up the medical issue because he specifically said he would consider a path to citizenship for those who serve in the military.

311 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:41:03pm

re: #309 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dude, Mittens wasn't allowed to smoke pot.

He technically isn't allowed to swear and drink caffeine either.

312 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:41:29pm

re: #308 aagcobb

You don't know what it was like in the bush of France in the sixties, man.

It's not that I don't get not wanting to go to Vietnam.

It's that I can't forgive anyone who was able not to go, and didn't, who now acts as though they don't know how goddamn lucky they were to be able to do that.

313 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:42:40pm

re: #309 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dude, Mittens wasn't allowed to smoke pot.

Can you imagine what it was like to have to face the French day after day without even being able to get high? I bet Mitt still wakes screaming. Have some compassion, dude.

314 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:42:41pm

re: #308 aagcobb

You don't know what it was like in the bush of France in the sixties, man.

Toulon... shit; I'm still only in Toulon... Every time I think I'm gonna wake up back in the Tabernacle.

315 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:45:54pm

re: #312 SanFranciscoZionist

It's not that I don't get not wanting to go to Vietnam.

It's that I can't forgive anyone who was able not to go, and didn't, who now acts as though they don't know how goddamn lucky they were to be able to do that.

Yeah no kidding. My Dad, little younger than Mitt has talked about how fortunate he was not to be drafted. Other problem is as already pointed out that Mitt actually demonstrated in favor of the draft. I mean to do that and not enlist I think is a pretty cowardly thing to do to be brutally honest.I don't scorn guys like Bush and Quayle who served in the National Guard. That's still service.

316 palomino  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:47:44pm

re: #265 Dark_Falcon

But your #195 was a reply to my post, Palomino, not to a post put up by the GOP as a whole. So upon reading your post I felt that I was being attacked unfairly. You say you were not in fact going after me personally, and I'll accept that explanation. But that was not clear to me when I read your post.

I actually meant to reply to the commenter you replied to...my bad. I think I just responded to yours because it dealt with the issue that interested me, not necessarily because I was going after you.

When I am going after you, you'll know it.
You'll fucking know it./////////////

317 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:48:09pm

When did Dennis Miller turn into such a wild raving lunatic. Geesh. That tirade on O'Reilly was pure trash.

318 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:48:43pm

re: #317 Mich-again

When did Dennis Miller turn into such a wild raving lunatic. Geesh. That tirade on O'Reilly was pure trash.

I believe 9-11 had a big role.

319 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:48:47pm

re: #316 palomino

I actually meant to reply to the commenter you replied to...my bad. I think I just responded to yours because it dealt with the issue that interested me, not necessarily because I was going after you.

When I am going after you, you'll know it.
You'll fucking know it./////////////

OK. We're good then.

320 sagehen  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:49:34pm

For those in the Eastern time zone, there's only 15 minutes left in Talk Like a Pirate Day.

Arrrgggh mateys. Avast.

321 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:49:57pm

re: #310 HappyWarrior

Yeah that would be a good question too. I brought up the medical issue because he specifically said he would consider a path to citizenship for those who serve in the military.

Easy for him to say that. The guy intends to start 2 or 3 wars in the first year of office. Its a path to horror not citizenship.

322 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:49:59pm

re: #313 aagcobb

Can you imagine what it was like to have to face the French day after day without even being able to get high? I bet Mitt still wakes screaming. Have some compassion, dude.

Having been a tourist in France myself...

323 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:52:00pm

I actually didn't have any problems with the French. Granted I was in Strasbourg and it was an afternoon. Nice city by the way. Believe Interpol's HQ is there if I am not mistaken.

324 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:53:40pm

re: #318 HappyWarrior

I believe 9-11 had a big role.

That turned him into a ranting blubbering idiot?

325 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:55:55pm

And then Mitt goes down like Frenchman Nicolas Sarkozy. Sucking up to right wing extremists who then pulled the chair out from under him and didn't vote for him because in the end he wasn't one of them.

326 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:59:29pm

re: #324 Mich-again

That turned him into a ranting blubbering idiot?

Yes, it did.

327 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:00:03pm

re: #323 HappyWarrior

I actually didn't have any problems with the French. Granted I was in Strasbourg and it was an afternoon. Nice city by the way. Believe Interpol's HQ is there if I am not mistaken.

In all seriousness, my experience has actually been that French people, when you are a tourist in France, are fine. French TOURISTS, elsewhere, I have found to sometimes be difficult. People complain about German tourists, but Germans are so gung-ho about following rules and exploring local customs, and eating new stuff, that they make, in my experience, great tourists. The French seem less flexible, and less able to adapt to "This is San Francisco. You can't smoke, and yes, that's clam chowder in a bread bowl." I may read too much into a few negative encounters.

328 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:07:16pm

re: #326 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Yes, it did.

Well apparently its a pretty good gig.. He's got a pretty good schtick going.

329 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:10:27pm

re: #327 SanFranciscoZionist

The French seem less flexible, and less able to adapt to "This is San Francisco. You can't smoke, and yes, that's clam chowder in a bread bowl."

Well I hear they have taken a liking to hamburgers so there is hope for them yet.

330 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:13:46pm

re: #329 Mich-again

Well I hear they have taken a liking to hamburgers so there is hope for them yet.

Jenny Craig is launching in France.

This is not a joke.


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