Here’s President Obama in a forum on Univision today, responding to Mitt Romney’s now-infamous “47%” comments.
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JamesWI Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:19:34pm |
lulz
Fundraising email from James O'Keefe: "Why do pro-White House outlets like Mother Jones magazine dismiss our reports as “smear jobs”?"
— daveweigel (@daveweigel) September 20, 2012
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Cheechako Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:23:11pm |
re: #2 JamesWI
lulz
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O'keefe would not recognize bullsh**t if he was standing up to his neck in it.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:23:27pm |
Good, clear answer to the question, something that's gonna rattle Romney in the debates.
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b_sharp Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:23:44pm |
re: #4 Cheechako
O'keefe would not recognize bullsh**t if he was standing up to his neck in it.
He wallows in it.
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Destro Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:24:29pm |
Univision has some of the best news out there. I used to watch them on a UHF station for football (soccer) since they were the only ones showing that back in the days before cable. Then I think they were merged with NBC and got a huge budget and they are pretty much a top rated channel.
In Europe the Spanish telenovelas are huge (probably huge the world over) and are dubbed. If they show telenovelas on Univision with English subtitles I bet they would have a huge crossover hit.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:24:43pm |
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JamesWI Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:24:58pm |
Now we know the next quote Romney will take out of context for the next two months: "We can't change Washington from the inside."
The entire Romney campaign has been based on quotes taken out of context.....
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:28:57pm |
re: #9 JamesWI
Now we know the next quote Romney will take out of context for the next two months: "We can't change Washington from the inside."
The entire Romney campaign has been based on quotes taken out of context.....
Couldn't have anything to do with it being Matt Drudge's current headline, could it?
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BongCrodny Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:36:51pm |
re: #2 JamesWI
lulz
[Embedded content]
Fundraising email from James O'Keefe: "Why do pro-White House outlets like Mother Jones magazine dismiss our reports as “smear jobs”?"
Dear James:
Because you're a moron.
Sincerely,
Mother Jones
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blueraven Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:37:35pm |
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:37:46pm |
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Gus Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:39:46pm |
Moronic wingnut spin of the day.
Getting "You Can't Change Washington From The Inside" Completely Wrong
Buzzfeed as they sometimes do, didn't help. What Obama said,
The most important lesson I've learned is that you can't change Washington from the inside. You can only change it from the outside. That's how I got elected, and that's how the big accomplishments like health care got done, was because we mobilized the American people to speak out. That's how we were able to cut taxes for middle-class families. So something that I'd really like to concentrate on in my second term is being in a much more constant conversation with the American people so that they can put pressure on Congress to help move some of these issues forward.
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Ming Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:40:18pm |
In the video, Obama's high regard for the American people comes through loud and clear. I assume that Romney will try to mimic this during the debates.
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Mattand Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:43:40pm |
re: #2 JamesWI
lulz
Fundraising email from James O'Keefe: "Why do pro-White House outlets like Mother Jones magazine dismiss our reports as “smear jobs”?"
Because they are. Disphsit.
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wrenchwench Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:44:57pm |
Obama didn't even have to paint his face brown.
//
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:50:21pm |
re: #20 wrenchwench
Obama didn't even have to paint his face brown.
//
Not if we wore a zootsuit, smoked a Big Bambu, and had teardrop tats on his face. Not if Cheech Marin himself vouched him.
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Lidane Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:51:12pm |
So now Romney's point is that Obama didn't change America enough? Do they evenallow people to disagree in that campaign?— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) September 20, 2012
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Lidane Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:55:50pm |
Filmmaker Joel Gilbert says Aurora shooting might have been Obama plot bit.ly/R3kZhb— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) September 20, 2012
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:56:25pm |
re: #23 Gus
"Did I mention my cousins are cholos? And the cactus is just the right height?"
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RadicalModerate Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:58:18pm |
re: #20 wrenchwench
Obama didn't even have to paint his face brown.
//
Honest question here.
Is there ANY demographic that Mitt Romney is trying to curry favor with or win votes from, other than the ultra-rich, that he hasn't said or done something to blatantly insult individuals within those groups?
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:58:57pm |
OT, But this kid is going to have an interesting Birth Certificate.
"A British soldier who did not realise she was pregnant has given birth to a baby boy at the Camp Bastion field hospital in Afghanistan."
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 20, 2012 1:59:50pm |
"They gave me the most delightful clear drink, but I could swear there was a worm in the bottle."
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wrenchwench Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:03:08pm |
re: #26 RadicalModerate
Honest question here.
Is there ANY demographic that Mitt Romney is trying to curry favor with or win votes from, other than the ultra-rich, that he hasn't said or done something to blatantly insult individuals within those groups?
He's probably insulted the ultra-rich somehow, too.
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iossarian Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:03:15pm |
re: #28 Decatur Deb
"They gave me the most delightful clear drink, but I could swear there was a worm in the bottle."
"Do you always put so much cheese on everything down here?"
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Sophist, Gingham Style Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:03:20pm |
Great response, and the best part is he he barely even mentioned Romney at all. He just went and totally dismantled the foundation Romney's remarks were based on, and he did it in way that even Fox News will have trouble portraying as an attack. That, ladies and gentlemen, is how it is done.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:04:13pm |
re: #26 RadicalModerate
Honest question here.
Is there ANY demographic that Mitt Romney is trying to curry favor with or win votes from, other than the ultra-rich, that he hasn't said or done something to blatantly insult individuals within those groups?
Can't wait until he takes his shit to a Pittsburgh Irish bar, because he heard they were all republicans.
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:04:43pm |
re: #30 wrenchwench
He's probably insulted the ultra-rich somehow, too.
He's solicited the approval of people other than the ultra-rich; that is insulting to the ultra-rich.
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gwangung Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:04:56pm |
re: #26 RadicalModerate
Honest question here.
Is there ANY demographic that Mitt Romney is trying to curry favor with or win votes from, other than the ultra-rich, that he hasn't said or done something to blatantly insult individuals within those groups?
Asian Americans?
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erik_t Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:05:13pm |
Way to connect with the you-people, Ann.
My horse has more style and more class in its hoof than they do in their whole deal.
Where did the GOP dig up these people!?
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wrenchwench Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:07:46pm |
On Air and Before Audiences, Romney Makes Push for Hispanic Vote
[...]
Some of his most intriguing remarks, though, were not about Hispanics, but about gay and lesbian couples. In response to a question, he said that they should be able to “raise a family as they would choose.” In the past, he has sought to avoid discussing issues like adoption by gay parents, which many social and religious conservatives oppose.
Asked what advice he would give his children and grandchildren if they were gay and wished to marry, Mr. Romney replied: “Well, my kids are all married, so I’d be surprised,” before reiterating that he believes that marriage should be reserved for heterosexual couples.
Mr. Romney’s brutal primary campaign at times put him at odds with quarters of the Hispanic community, a fact that the hosts of the Univision forum did not shy from. They posed pointed questions about illegal immigrants and whether the Spanish language has a place in American life. (“Spanish,” Mr. Romney said, quoting a friend, “is the language of our heritage. English is the language of opportunity.”)
[...]
Aides to Mr. Romney said that they are devoting significant resources to the Hispanic vote. They have quietly built up a sizable staff of operatives around the country, including 13 paid workers in Florida alone, a state with a large and politically engaged population of Hispanics.
[...]
But, as the previous thread shows, he has given up on the most Hispanic state.
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blueraven Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:07:52pm |
re: #25 Decatur Deb
"Did I mention my cousins are cholos? And the cactus is just the right height?"
Oh yeah?
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JamesWI Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:08:33pm |
@barackobama says he can't change Wash alone, @buzzfeed @zekejmiller says "Obama says he can't change Washington!" Journalism!
— James Coates (@JCBadger34) September 20, 2012
(That's my Twitter, in case any of you who I followed were wondering why a random stranger started following you)
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iossarian Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:08:46pm |
re: #36 erik_t
Way to connect with the you-people, Ann.
Where did the GOP dig up these people!?
Haha, one of the commenters at WaPo came up with the following to characterize the Romneys:
Lobster or cracked crab? Why not both?
Almost worth creating an account to applaud the Trading Places ref. Almost.
"Extra primo good, Mr. Romney sir!"
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The Ghost of a Flea Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:09:02pm |
re: #36 erik_t
Way to connect with the you-people, Ann.
Where did the GOP dig up these people!?
Spend 50K per year on the people making the horse jokes and maybe they'll get some "class."
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iossarian Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:10:08pm |
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calochortus Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:11:05pm |
re: #36 erik_t
My horse has more style and more class in its hoof than they do in their whole deal.
(emphasis mine)
Isn't it more usual to refer to a horse as "him" or, in this case, I believe, "her"? We're not talking about an inanimate object here.
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Gus Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:11:25pm |
re: #43 iossarian
What is this Lincoln and Hamlin meme? Is there some issue about the flag being used in politics?
One amongst many.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:11:34pm |
re: #37 wrenchwench
On Air and Before Audiences, Romney Makes Push for Hispanic Vote
But, as the previous thread shows, he has given up on the most Hispanic state.
Mitt really wants Florida. He's saving his Che t-shirt for Miami.
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erik_t Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:13:25pm |
re: #44 calochortus
(emphasis mine)
Isn't it more usual to refer to a horse as "him" or, in this case, I believe, "her"? We're not talking about an inanimate object here.
Maybe the horse is a robot too.
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Patricia Kayden Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:14:45pm |
Even Fox News polls show President Obama ahead in swing states. I know things can change, but it seems that all of Romney's hopes are pinned on his debate performance (specifically the first debate). But he's not a natural public speaker, except when he's speaking to his own kind (as shown in the Boca Raton video). For some reason, when I see him campaigning he looks like a desperate car salesman to me. Gesturing and wild eyed.
President Obama, on the other hand, looks relaxed. Maybe being a University Professor and Community Organizer where he had to speak in front of strangers has made President Obama comfortable with public speaking. I just don't see Romney winning any of the debates.
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iossarian Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:14:57pm |
re: #45 Gus
One amongst many.
Haha what a foolish article. "This doesn't mean he's Hitler of course, just that I'm about to smear him as such."
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Gus Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:15:32pm |
re: #49 iossarian
Haha what a foolish article. "This doesn't mean he's Hitler of course, just that I'm about to smear him as such."
What a freak.
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:15:54pm |
re: #24 Lidane
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Notice that Gilbert appears to be wearing a brown (more like khaki) shirt with some military-type patches on it (from what I can see).
re: #36 erik_t
Way to connect with the you-people, Ann.
Where did the GOP dig up these people!?
She's married to that out-of-touch twit the GOP calls its presidential candidate.
I'm sorry, but shit like this makes Ann fair game.
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Obdicut Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:16:34pm |
re: #48 Patricia Kayden
Their hopes are also pinned on voter suppression (which is being defeated in the courts) and an economic disaster.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:16:37pm |
re: #48 Patricia Kayden
Even Fox News polls show President Obama ahead in swing states. I know things can change, but it seems that all of Romney's hopes are pinned on his debate performance (specifically the first debate). But he's not a natural public speaker, except when he's speaking to his own kind (as shown in the Boca Raton video). For some reason, when I see him campaigning he looks like a desperate car salesman to me. Gesturing and wild eyed.
President Obama, on the other hand, looks relaxed. Maybe being a University Professor and Community Organizer where he had to speak in front of strangers has made President Obama comfortable with public speaking. I just don't see Romney winning any of the debates.
I don't see him doing all that well in the debates, but the thing is that he doesn't really have to, not with present expectations. Unless Obama can find a way to successfully lower expectations on Romney's performance, then he's gonna come out of it at least being able to say he "exceeded expectations" simply by not breaking down on stage.
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Obdicut Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:17:21pm |
re: #53 Targetpractice
Romney's challenge will be not pissing people off when he talks.
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iossarian Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:18:19pm |
re: #50 Gus
What a freak.
A lot of these younger Breitbart hanger-on types strike me as being like the debate club guys who will happily defend any position, not particularly because they're immoral, but because they're so into debating that they think of it as a kind of game with no real consequences (which is true, to some extent, of high school debating).
I think they want to be journos so badly that they'll take any gig. After all, it's just journalism, amirite? And the competition for the right-wing jobs is probably a bit less taxing, especially from an intellectual point of view.
It's a bit sad really.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:18:19pm |
re: #54 Obdicut
Romney's challenge will be not pissing people off when he talks.
Love to see a large Paulian contingent in the audience.
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Obdicut Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:19:18pm |
re: #55 iossarian
I know a personally liberal guy who works as an editor at the New York Post.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:21:00pm |
re: #54 Obdicut
Romney's challenge will be not pissing people off when he talks.
His challenge is much like Palin's was in '08: Go through the debates without having any major snafus. So long as the audience doesn't get up and leave, he'll try to sell his performances as "successes" because he "looked presidential."
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JamesWI Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:21:49pm |
@mittromney Your desperation is showing.
— James Coates (@JCBadger34) September 20, 2012
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iossarian Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:23:28pm |
re: #58 Obdicut
I know a personally liberal guy who works as an editor at the New York Post.
I've got a pretty healthy respect for people who make it to paying jobs in journalism. I mean, I can write a mean analytic report, but the vast majority of those guys can really write.
I do exclude, however, the guy who covers the local sports beat on the freebie that replaced our defunct town paper. He just sounds like he copies old Mitch Albom columns and changes the team names, which means a lot of one-sentence impact paragraphs.
Just like this one.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:24:23pm |
re: #60 JamesWI
[Embedded content]
"Candidate Obama's slogan in 2008 was ‘Yes, we can.’ His slogan now is ‘No, I can’t.’ It's time for a new president."
The Candidate's slogan for the debates is: "Gonna cut a fool."
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:25:37pm |
re: #52 Obdicut
Their hopes are also pinned on voter suppression (which is being defeated in the courts) and an economic disaster.
I wonder how much the voter suppression and ID laws wouldn't have backfired anyway. The two groups most impacted, poor people and seniors, aren't exactly well known for voting in their own best interest.
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JamesWI Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:26:01pm |
Romney pounces on Obama's latest "gaffe" -- his vow to engage more Americans in the political process: wapo.st/Of0HTC
— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) September 20, 2012
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mr.fusion Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:26:09pm |
re: #17 Gus
Moronic wingnut spin of the day.
Getting "You Can't Change Washington From The Inside" Completely Wrong
Buzzfeed as they sometimes do, didn't help. What Obama said,
This is just hilarious. I love seeing Drudge, Rush, FOX and the Romney campaign all working in unison to yell "WOLF!!!!" at the top of their lungs......and then just be completely ignored. They really are just throwing every little thing they possibly can against the wall and just praying that something sticks.
The Hillary for Biden swap, Obama ordered unarmed guards at the Libya consulate, 14 yr old redistribution quote, and now this inside Washington quote are all great examples of the right wingers attempting to manufacture outrage......and they have been completely rebuffed. It's a real shift....4 years ago, hell 2 years ago, this would have worked.
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:26:14pm |
re: #53 Targetpractice
I don't see him doing all that well in the debates, but the thing is that he doesn't really have to, not with present expectations. Unless Obama can find a way to successfully lower expectations on Romney's performance, then he's gonna come out of it at least being able to say he "exceeded expectations" simply by not breaking down on stage.
Literally.
It's gotta be a bitch to find spare parts after 60+ years...
///
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Patricia Kayden Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:26:24pm |
@53 Targetpractice
You made me laugh with your last sentence. But you may be right because I can see Lord Romney and Lady Ann having nervous breakdowns if and when they lose this race. I gather that they feel entitled to live in the White House and are appalled that "you people" are preventing them from doing so. And imagine being beaten by a Kenyan, Socialist, Communist foreigner! What is this world coming to?! The help just don't know their place anymore.
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erik_t Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:26:26pm |
re: #53 Targetpractice
I don't see him doing all that well in the debates, but the thing is that he doesn't really have to, not with present expectations. Unless Obama can find a way to successfully lower expectations on Romney's performance, then he's gonna come out of it at least being able to say he "exceeded expectations" simply by not breaking down on stage.
Meh. Sarah played a lot better with the Beltway hangers-on than with actual people. Exceeding weak expectations isn't going to swing any Obama voters, and he's very near the point where every single (eg) Ohio undecided would have to go Romney. That won't happen unless Obama specifically fucks the poodle.
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Lidane Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:28:20pm |
Heh:
Any day now Paul Ryan is going to wake up and realize he's strapped to roof of Mitt Romney's car— Nancy Mitchell (@NancyWonderful) September 20, 2012
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:28:21pm |
re: #68 erik_t
Meh. Sarah played a lot better with the Beltway hangers-on than with actual people. Exceeding weak expectations isn't going to swing any Obama voters, and he's very near the point where every single (eg) Ohio undecided would have to go Romney. That won't happen unless Obama specifically fucks the poodle.
The old "dead girl or live boy" scenario.
Romney ain't gonna be that lucky.
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Gus Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:28:52pm |
re: #65 mr.fusion
This is just hilarious. I love seeing Drudge, Rush, FOX and the Romney campaign all working in unison to yell "WOLF!!!!" at the top of their lungs......and then just be completely ignored. They really are just throwing every little thing they possibly can against the wall and just praying that something sticks.
The Hillary for Biden swap, Obama ordered unarmed guards at the Libya consulate, 14 yr old redistribution quote, and now this inside Washington quote are all great examples of the right wingers attempting to manufacture outrage......and they have been completely rebuffed. It's a real shift....4 years ago, hell 2 years ago, this would have worked.
They're running their campaign by way of wingnut blogs, Fox News, right-wing pundits, etc. They're down to using this combined with wingnut sound bites.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:29:06pm |
re: #70 Gert Fröbe
The old "dead girl or live boy" scenario.
Romney ain't gonna be that lucky.
Mitt is not Fortune's favorite.
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wrenchwench Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:32:08pm |
re: #48 Patricia Kayden
Maybe being a University Professor and Community Organizer where he had to speak in front of strangers has made President Obama comfortable with public speaking.
I think it's having grown up in multi-cultural Hawaii, in addition to his years in Indonesia, and going to college on the west coast and on the east coast, and then working with all kinds of people in Chicago, and then teaching, all that has taught him that people are people, with similarities and differences, and he can talk to anyone, alone or in a stadium.
Mitt just hangs out with fellow Republicans, as he said in the MJ video. All others are strange to him.
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Bulworth Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:33:07pm |
CNN has a teaser: " 'Redistribution' or '47%': which is bigger deal? "
We have officially bottomed out.
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JamesWI Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:33:40pm |
Hm:"I don't think you change Washington from the inside.I think you change it from the outside." firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2007/12/… firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2007/12/…
— Ben Smith (@BuzzFeedBen) September 20, 2012
Mitt Romney saying the exact same thing in 2007.
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erik_t Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:35:35pm |
re: #76 Kronocide
Wow: Mitt Romney ‘Dyed His Face Brown’ to Appeal to Latino Voters
Wow, that is, um...
¿Cómo se dice 'not subtle'?
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:36:51pm |
re: #74 Bulworth
CNN has a teaser: " 'Redistribution' or '47%': which is bigger deal? "
We have officially bottomed out.
CNN: "We Can Pander Too!!"
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mr.fusion Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:37:02pm |
re: #75 JamesWI
[Embedded content]
Mitt Romney saying the exact same thing in 2007.
bwahahahahahahahahahaha
beautiful catch
"Probably my best capability is in building a good team and working with people within that team and across the aisle to get the job done, and I'm not trying to take away from somebody else. They may have their skills. Sen. McCain has been there in Washington 27 years. So he certainly has political skill, but I believe that at this time, to change Washington, it would be helpful to have somebody who comes with more private sector skill, experience outside Washington. I don't think you change Washington from the inside. I think you change it from the outside."
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Obdicut Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:37:23pm |
re: #63 goddamnedfrank
I wonder how much the voter suppression and ID laws wouldn't have backfired anyway. The two groups most impacted, poor people and seniors, aren't exactly well known for voting in their own best interest.
And often the effect is to energize people in equal measure-- when it's publicized, anyway. But certainly the sort of challenges that the did in Florida to knock off black people from the rolls would have had a disproportionate effect.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:37:24pm |
re: #74 Bulworth
CNN has a teaser: " 'Redistribution' or '47%': which is bigger deal? "
We have officially bottomed out.
It's a facepalm so huge there is no facepalm grand enough to describe it.
This kind of stuff really exposes how the media work to keep the horse race illusion going. Only comes once every four years, gotta milk it for every penny.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:38:24pm |
Per Memorandum/The Hill, Pawlenty is leaving the Romney campaign.
[Link: thehill.com...]
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Obdicut Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:39:40pm |
re: #82 Decatur Deb
Per Memorandum/The Hill, Pawlenty is leaving the Romney campaign.
[Link: thehill.com...]
But he still respects them and has no regrets, I'm sure.
And he's going to become a shitty lobbyist, too.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:40:18pm |
re: #81 Charles Johnson
It's a facepalm so huge there is no facepalm grand enough to describe it.
This kind of stuff really exposes how the media work to keep the horse race illusion going. Only comes once every four years, gotta milk it for every penny.
The MBF should go on strike, she's not getting paid nearly enough to put up with this shit.
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Bulworth Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:40:36pm |
But he still respects them and has no regrets, I'm sure.
"It's not you, it's me."
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:40:48pm |
re: #83 Obdicut
But he still respects them and has no regrets, I'm sure.
And he's going to become a shitty lobbyist, too.
And in 4 years, make another run at the White House, using his lobbyist connections to fill his warchest.
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Gus Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:40:59pm |
NYT:"The wealthiest 5th of Manhattanites made 40x the lowest 5th...gap surpassed only by developing countries (like) Namibia+Sierra Leone."— Alec MacGillis (@AlecMacGillis) September 20, 2012
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:41:29pm |
re: #74 Bulworth
CNN has a teaser: " 'Redistribution' or '47%': which is bigger deal? "
We have officially bottomed out.
"From here you can only imagine what the bottom will look like" (paraphrasing Tyler Durden)
There's no chance of it getting better any time soon. This is what politics has become. We choose our leaders on the basis of "you didn't build that or the troops are "unimportant". This is what shapes our destiny as a country and our future as a culture. This is it.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:42:20pm |
re: #88 Killgore Trout
"From here you can only imagine what the bottom will look like" (paraphrasing Tyler Durden)
There's no chance of it getting better any time soon. This is what politics has become. We choose our leaders on the basis of "you didn't build that or the troops are "unimportant". This is what shapes our destiny as a country and our future as a culture. This is it.
(Pssstt. It's never been better.)
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Obdicut Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:43:31pm |
re: #88 Killgore Trout
Oooh, a new Killgore: Completely defeatist Killgore! Cool. The old collection of barely-following-the-conversation Killgore, did-not-do-the-research Killgore, creepily-enjoying-violence Killgore, and false-equivalence-for-breakfast-lunch-and-dinner Killgore were getting old.
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wrenchwench Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:44:14pm |
Page update: the ‘forcible rape’ language has been removed.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:46:51pm |
re: #89 Decatur Deb
(Pssstt. It's never been better.)
It's never been great but it seems the outrageous outrages and mining quotes for gaffes has completely supplanted any discussion of policy or substance.
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blueraven Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:47:26pm |
re: #88 Killgore Trout
"From here you can only imagine what the bottom will look like" (paraphrasing Tyler Durden)
There's no chance of it getting better any time soon. This is what politics has become. We choose our leaders on the basis of "you didn't build that or the troops are "unimportant". This is what shapes our destiny as a country and our future as a culture. This is it.
Wait a minute. This is the media.
There is no MBF here.
Mitt said what he said in the video
Obama's words were taken out of context and edited.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:47:40pm |
re: #92 Killgore Trout
It's never been great but it seems the outrageous outrages and mining quotes for gaffes has completely supplanted any discussion of policy or substance.
Same shit, speed-of-light technology.
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Obdicut Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:51:09pm |
re: #94 Decatur Deb
Same shit, speed-of-light technology.
It also kind of depends on whether you think words matter. I don't think Mitt overlooking thanking the troops in his speech actually reflects much except the general incompetence we've seen in the campaign. But that's hardly the thing getting big press-- his 47% comments are, and those are far beyond just a meme, those are an actual reflection of his point of view or at least the point of view he's selling. The media is actually doing their job right now by not letting him squirm off of that one, though they're half-failing by groping around for balance as always and talking about the redistribution stuff.
Or, to put it another way, Romney's comments reflect his policies.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:51:23pm |
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Gus Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:51:36pm |
Didn't take long for Romney camp to go from "You need to watch the entire 50 min video" to "Here's half of one sentence Obama said today!"— delrayser (@delrayser) September 20, 2012
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blueraven Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:53:25pm |
re: #97 Gus
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Didn't take long for Fox News to go from "You need to watch the entire 50 min video" to "Here's half of one sentence Obama said today
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:54:18pm |
re: #96 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
[Embedded content]
Remembering Latin from 50 years ago, but the opening lines sort of describe a collapsing campaign.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Sep 20, 2012 2:55:38pm |
re: #99 Decatur Deb
Remembering Latin from 50 years ago, but the opening lines sort of describe a collapsing campaign.
As a friend of mine said - "It's not a happy song about daisies and kittens."
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wrenchwench Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:02:07pm |
re: #94 Decatur Deb
Same shit, speed-of-light technology.
There's lots more shit, because we can hear anybody who has a computer. One needs to be selective to avoid being inundated, but with that selectivity, one can find lots of discussion of whatever policy or substance one is interested in. An inability to be selective could cause one to feel overwhelmed and depressed.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:02:50pm |
re: #94 Decatur Deb
Same shit, speed-of-light technology.
I don't know about that. It seems there's been a considerable dumbing down over the past few decades possibly longer. Campaigns have become more tightly managed, events are more staged, comments more carefully scripted, outrages more manufactured.. Nobody's willing to tell any hard truths or take a tough stance. Politicians get to run essentially substance free campaigns because the press isn't informed enough to press complicated issues seriously and the public probably tune in if they did. Simple platitudes and soundbites just sell better. It work out great for both the press and the politicians but I don;t think it serves the public very well.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:04:11pm |
re: #102 Killgore Trout
I don't know about that. It seems there's been a considerable dumbing down over the past few decades possibly longer. Campaigns have become more tightly managed, events are more staged, comments more carefully scripted, outrages more manufactured.. Nobody's willing to tell any hard truths or take a tough stance. Politicians get to run essentially substance free campaigns because the press isn't informed enough to press complicated issues seriously and the public probably tune in if they did. Simple platitudes and soundbites just sell better. It work out great for both the press and the politicians but I don;t think it serves the public very well.
At least Murdoch hasn't got us into a war with Spain--yet.
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Lidane Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:04:24pm |
BREAKING GAFFE: President Obama caught on tape admitting he thinks 100% of Americans should influence Washington DC.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) September 20, 2012
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Big Joe Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:04:25pm |
I'm amused at the Fox Nation outrage over the Obama "flag",
especially considering the Fox Nation logo.
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Gus Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:05:28pm |
re: #105 Big Joe
I'm amused at the Fox Nation outrage over the Obama "flag",
especially considering the Fox Nation logo.
Yeah but Obama's American flagging while black.
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engineer cat Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:06:33pm |
re: #102 Killgore Trout
read this book Presidential Campaigns: From George Washington to George W. Bush
and you will be able to see that everything is just like it ever was, starting in the days when people criticized george washington for holding fancy parties using silver service, "like he wanted to become king or something"
did you know that if this here thomas jefferson becomes president he's a gonna burn all the bibles?
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Lidane Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:08:46pm |
re: #94 Decatur Deb
Same shit, speed-of-light technology.
All this shit makes me wish we had much shorter campaign seasons. A couple of months for the primaries, go straight into the conventions, a couple of debates immediately after that, then we vote. Wham, bam, thank you ma'am and it's over. These 18 month campaign cycles suck.
If people can follow a half-season of Breaking Bad or The Walking Dead, they should be able to follow a campaign that's about the same length.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:09:25pm |
re: #107 engineer cat
read this book Presidential Campaigns: From George Washington to George W. Bush
and you will be able to see that everything is just like it ever was, starting in the days when people criticized george washington for holding fancy parties using silver service, "like he wanted to become king or something"
did you know that if this here thomas jefferson becomes president he's a gonna burn all the bibles?
If there was a low point, it was probably the Lincoln era, but even then it's hard to choose.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:10:31pm |
re: #108 Lidane
All this shit makes me wish we had much shorter campaign seasons. A couple of months for the primaries, go straight into the conventions, a couple of debates immediately after that, then we vote. Wham, bam, thank you ma'am and it's over. These 18 month campaign cycles suck.
If people can follow a half-season of Breaking Bad or The Walking Dead, they should be able to follow a campaign that's about the same length.
Italy's campaigns are about 40 days (and about 40 parties).
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mr.fusion Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:11:01pm |
re: #107 engineer cat
read this book Presidential Campaigns: From George Washington to George W. Bush
and you will be able to see that everything is just like it ever was, starting in the days when people criticized george washington for holding fancy parties using silver service, "like he wanted to become king or something"
did you know that if this here thomas jefferson becomes president he's a gonna burn all the bibles?
In case you're wondering exactly how down-and-dirty these campaigns got, consider the fact that this is the only election in history where a vice president has run against the president he was currently serving under. You can imagine that things were a little tense in the White House in the months leading up to the election.
Jefferson hired a writer to pen insults rather than dirty his own hands (at least at first). One of his most creative lines said that Adams was a "hideous hermaphroditical character which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman."
Adams' Federalists carried things even further, asking voters, "Are you prepared to see your dwellings in flames... female chastity violated... children writhing on the pike? GREAT GOD OF COMPASSION AND JUSTICE, SHIELD MY COUNTRY FROM DESTRUCTION." I bet the Federalists would be so very upset to know that Jefferson was immortalized in 1936 as one of America's great presidents on Mount Rushmore.
After such a nasty election, Congress passed the Twelfth Amendment, stating that the nominee to get the second-most number of votes would no longer be elected vice president.
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Obdicut Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:13:54pm |
re: #110 Decatur Deb
Italy's campaigns are about 40 days (and about 40 parties).
Not exactly a model we want to follow, though; when I was a kid, they changed governments more often than Lady Gaga changes outfits. And when they did get stability for awhile, it was with the semi-fascist Berlusconi.
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Gus Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:16:02pm |
Wingnut!
What's the difference between the #Obamericanflag and the Al Qaeda flag? The Al Qaeda Flag is actually flying over American Embassies! #fail— Bonnie (@BonShores) September 20, 2012
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:16:23pm |
re: #113 Obdicut
Not exactly a model we want to follow, though; when I was a kid, they changed governments more often than Lady Gaga changes outfits. And when they did get stability for awhile, it was with the semi-fascist Berlusconi.
True, but you have to love Senatora Cicciolina's "Love" party, and the "Hunting and Fishing" party.
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Gus Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:17:27pm |
#Obamericanflag This is a "transitional" flag The next one, Obama will add Crescent and Star. People get ready— Angel C (@alc965) September 20, 2012
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:18:19pm |
re: #112 mr.fusion
Jefferson hired a writer to pen insults rather than dirty his own hands (at least at first). One of his most creative lines said that Adams was a "hideous hermaphroditical character which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman."
Adams' Federalists carried things even further, asking voters, "Are you prepared to see your dwellings in flames... female chastity violated... children writhing on the pike? GREAT GOD OF COMPASSION AND JUSTICE, SHIELD MY COUNTRY FROM DESTRUCTION." I bet the Federalists would be so very upset to know that Jefferson was immortalized in 1936 as one of America's great presidents on Mount Rushmore.
The 19th century version of "HIDE YO KIDS, HIDE YO WIFE"?
///
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MittDoesNotCompute Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:20:05pm |
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:23:20pm |
re: #112 mr.fusion
Not to mention that politics back then could be fatal as well.
The Burr–Hamilton duel was a duel between two prominent American politicians, the former Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton and sitting Vice President Aaron Burr, on July 11, 1804.[1] At Weehawken in New Jersey, Burr shot and fatally wounded Hamilton. Hamilton was carried to the home of William Bayard on the Manhattan shore, where he died at 2:00 p.m. the next day.
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Obdicut Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:24:05pm |
re: #116 Gus
I think I'm ready. I have seventeen shotguns surrounding my computer with glazer rounds in each of them. I have a big tin of Benzedrine at my feet, the door to my bald-eagle-shaped bunker is sealed, my rainwater reserves are at five thousand days, and I have Lynrd Skynrd playing at maximum volume at all times.
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Talking Point Detective Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:30:48pm |
re: #88 Killgore Trout
We choose our leaders on the basis of "you didn't build that or the troops are "unimportant". This is what shapes our destiny as a country and our future as a culture. This is it.
You need to step back from the TV. I'm not voting on the basis of those factors. Are you?
Are some people? Sure. But most people have a lot of factors that go into how they decide to vote. Maybe you should do less scare-mongering about the media and try to be a bit less condescending. Maybe you aren't really that much smarter than other people.
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JamesWI Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:32:50pm |
RT @hotlinesteve: NBC/WSJ/Marist poll of Wisconsin: 50-45 Obama, 48-46 Baldwin.
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) September 20, 2012
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Lidane Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:32:55pm |
re: #118 Gert Fröbe
*facepalm*
Why are people so fucking stupid?
AM talk radio, Faux News, and the RWNJ alternate reality bubble, which has convinced people that the POTUS is an America-hating traitor and that all their ignorance and bigotry is actually a sign that they're well informed.
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Talking Point Detective Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:33:35pm |
re: #102 Killgore Trout
I don't know about that. It seems there's been a considerable dumbing down over the past few decades possibly longer. Campaigns have become more tightly managed, events are more staged, comments more carefully scripted, outrages more manufactured.. Nobody's willing to tell any hard truths or take a tough stance. Politicians get to run essentially substance free campaigns because the press isn't informed enough to press complicated issues seriously and the public probably tune in if they did. Simple platitudes and soundbites just sell better. It work out great for both the press and the politicians but I don;t think it serves the public very well.
Why do you think that any of that is substantially different? Do you think that stage-managing elections, or carefully controlling information about politicians is something new? When do you remember campaigns as not being substantially substance-free?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:34:59pm |
re: #122 Talking Point Detective
You need to step back from the TV. I'm not voting on the basis of those factors. Are you?
I haven't watched TV in years.
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JamesWI Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:35:39pm |
.@lis_smith: Mitt Romney apparently doesn’t believe that change comes from the American people: OFA.BO/14raZB
— Obama 2012 (@Obama2012) September 20, 2012
And just like that, Romney's latest desperate swing is slapped down.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:35:41pm |
re: #120 Bubblehead II
Not to mention that politics back then could be fatal as well.
The Burr–Hamilton duel was a duel between two prominent American politicians, the former Secretary of the Treasury Alexander Hamilton and sitting Vice President Aaron Burr, on July 11, 1804.[1] At Weehawken in New Jersey, Burr shot and fatally wounded Hamilton. Hamilton was carried to the home of William Bayard on the Manhattan shore, where he died at 2:00 p.m. the next day.
Kentucky found it useful to prohibit those who took part in a duel from holding public office. Officials still must swear not to have duelled.
[Link: www.loweringthebar.net...]
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:36:46pm |
re: #126 Killgore Trout
I haven't watched TV in years.
Then I suppose Mitt's crush on Snooki is lost on you.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:37:03pm |
My day just brightened up. After listening to jackhammers doing sidewalk repair all day I just checked the mail and found a pretty substantial check for a sale I wasn't aware had gone through. Nice!
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Talking Point Detective Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:37:04pm |
re: #94 Decatur Deb
Same shit, speed-of-light technology.
And at the same time, technology enables people to do more comprehensive investigation. Fraudulent claims are more easily debunked. There are more medial outlets (although there has been a large degree of consolidation).
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JamesWI Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:37:48pm |
Romney said redistribution has "never been a characteristic of America." History says Pants on Fire! ow.ly/dSeAV
— PolitiFact (@politifact) September 20, 2012
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:39:16pm |
re: #131 Talking Point Detective
And at the same time, technology enables people to do more comprehensive investigation. Fraudulent claims are more easily debunked. There are more medial outlets (although there has been a large degree of consolidation).
In theory, yes. Most people don't bother checking or if they do they'll just go along with whatever rumor or outrage is circulating on twitter.
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Talking Point Detective Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:39:41pm |
re: #126 Killgore Trout
I haven't watched TV in years.
But you study what happens on TV all the time. You're constantly reporting on it here. You are basically obsessed with the media - pretty much blaming it constantly.
Sensationalism in the media exists, and it is a problem. It isn't a new problem. Do you think that people had a more well-informed perspective on political issues in the days of William Randolph Hearst?
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Mr. Crankypants Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:40:34pm |
re: #130 Killgore Trout
My day just brightened up. After listening to jackhammers doing sidewalk repair all day I just checked the mail and found a pretty substantial check for a sale I wasn't aware had gone through. Nice!
congrats. What do you do again?
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AntonSirius Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:40:38pm |
re: #115 Decatur Deb
True, but you have to love Senatora Cicciolina's "Love" party, and the "Hunting and Fishing" party.
Pop Will Eat Itself's Touched By the Hand of Cicciolina - a masterpiece of sampling. The sports announcer clips used to simulate orgasm are particularly brilliant.
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Talking Point Detective Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:41:06pm |
re: #133 Killgore Trout
In theory, yes. Most people don't bother checking or if they do they'll just go along with whatever rumor or outrage is circulating on twitter.
When I say "people" there, I mean news media. Think of how much more quickly a reporter can check the veracity of a claim and report alternative analysis.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:42:51pm |
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dragonfire1981 Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:43:03pm |
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Talking Point Detective Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:44:23pm |
re: #63 goddamnedfrank
I wonder how much the voter suppression and ID laws wouldn't have backfired anyway. The two groups most impacted, poor people and seniors, aren't exactly well known for voting in their own best interest.
I've been a little involved in getting IDs for seniors in PA. I'm not entirely sure that as the result of a coalition of organizations helping seniors get IDs, there won't actually be a higher senior voter turnout.
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andres Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:50:16pm |
re: #132 JamesWI
Rough month for Romney. Even PolitiFact isn't cutting him any slack.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:53:57pm |
re: #141 Gus
About That #Obama Flag
Charles,
It would make me very happy if links in comments to pages elsewhere on the site would open automatically in a new tab. I can't count the number of times I've clicked on one of these links, read the page, and then closed the tab, only to discover that I've lost my original LGF context.
Of course, I should probably just learn to "open link in new tab". But we don't have to do that with links that point outside of LGF.
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:55:42pm |
re: #126 Killgore Trout
I haven't watched TV in years.
Neither have I. Mainly because what is being offered today is so banal.
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:58:03pm |
re: #143 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Same here. I know that used to be the way it worked before. What changed?
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JamesWI Thu, Sep 20, 2012 3:59:39pm |
RT @peterhambycnn: Gender gap in Iowa. Women: Obama 55% Romney 37%. Men: Romney 47% Obama 45%. maristpoll.marist.edu
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) September 20, 2012
That does not look good....for Romney.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 20, 2012 4:00:09pm |
re: #144 Bubblehead II
Neither have I. Mainly because what is being offered today is so banal.
I can't sit through the commercials anymore. I kept wandering away during commercial breaks and one day never wandered back.
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Only The Lurker Knows Thu, Sep 20, 2012 4:05:49pm |
re: #147 Killgore Trout
I can't sit through the commercials anymore. I kept wandering away during commercial breaks and one day never wandered back.
Can understand that. The only time the T.V. gets turned on anymore is when one of us wants to watch a movie/show that's on DVD. Currently re-watching B5. Up to Season 3 disk 2.
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Sophist, Gingham Style Thu, Sep 20, 2012 4:14:43pm |
re: #117 Gert Fröbe
The 19th century version of "HIDE YO KIDS, HIDE YO WIFE"?
///
Cuz they're pikin' errbody out here!
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Ming Thu, Sep 20, 2012 4:53:36pm |
Interesting that Romney would react to what Obama said, "The most important lesson I've learned is that you can't change Washington from the inside. You can only change it from the outside."
This reminds me of Paul Ryan saying that he wouldn't divulge specifics of his economic plan. Why? Because "we want to get it done."
Ryan is talking about "change from the inside". Big change, like replacing Medicare with private vouchers. No need to let the "you-people" in on your plans. Who cares what they have to say? Just get it done.
In contrast, "change from the outside" implies some communication with people outside Washington about the policies you want to implement. This is much more respectful of the American people.
Let's hope that those of us in the 99.99% of the "you-people" never get to find out what, specifically, Romney and Ryan would really do as "change from the inside".
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