30,000 Pro-America Libyan Demonstrators Ransack Islamist Compound in Benghazi

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An amazing story from Libya today, where pro-America protesters staged a huge demonstration, and stormed and ransacked the base of the main radical Islamist militia: Libyan Demonstrators Wreck Militia Compound in Benghazi.

Hundreds of Libyan protesters forced members of the main Salafist militia out of their base in the second city of Benghazi Friday, setting fire to and wrecking the military compound.

The assault came as an estimated 30,000 people rallied against the influence of the militias in the city, drowning out a protest by radical Salafists angry over a film and cartoons deemed offensive to Islam.

“No to armed formations” and “Yes to the Libya army” read banners raised by protesters gathered at the city’s Tibesti Hotel before marching to Al-Kish Square, close to the barracks of several militia brigades.

“Our law is God’s law, not the law of the jungle,” women chanted.

Banners also paid tribute to U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens, who was killed along with three Americans on September 11 in what the White House now calls a terrorist attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi.

“Libya lost a friend” and “We want justice for Stevens,” signs read.

And from Twitter:

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221 comments
1 Kragar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:14:52pm

Safe to say, we wouldn't see anything like this under Romney.

2 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:17:02pm
3 Mich-again  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:17:03pm

They're f*ing up Mitt's narrative. This just shows how far Obama will go to undermine the Romney campaign. /

4 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:20:21pm

Wonder how many of those armchair generals who were sure that the demonstrations were an "act of war" and reason to cut aid to Libya will now eat some crow?

5 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:21:13pm

Nothing on the CNN page... NY Times... nothing. I could do a whole survey but won't. Reuters and Al Jazeera have it up.

6 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:21:15pm

I actually got chills reading this story. This is huge. It actually gives me a bit of hope for the human race.

Notice that there were women involved in this protest.

7 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:21:57pm

re: #1 Kragar

Safe to say, we wouldn't see anything like this under Romney.

This isn't about Romney or Obama. This is about Libyans taking their fate into their own hands and giving the Islamists the What For.

Granted that unlike Obama Mitt Romney would never take part in this sort of thing, but he's not the kind to take part in a street protest.

8 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:22:13pm
9 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:22:33pm

Perhaps Pat Condell will comment. //

10 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:22:52pm

I think PBO's decision to help the Libyans when they asked us for it may have earned us our first real friend in the Arab Muslim world.

11 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:23:17pm

30,000? That's huge!

12 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:23:19pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

I actually got chills reading this story. This is huge. It actually gives me a bit of hope for the human race.

Notice that there were women involved in this protest.

God but this is stirring stuff:

No to armed formations” and “Yes to the Libya army” read banners raised by protesters gathered at the city’s Tibesti Hotel before marching to Al-Kish Square, close to the barracks of several militia brigades.

“Our law is God’s law, not the law of the jungle,” women chanted.

Banners also paid tribute to U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens, who was killed along with three Americans on September 11 in what the White House now calls a terrorist attack on the U.S. mission in Benghazi.

“Libya lost a friend” and “We want justice for Stevens,” signs read.

This is exactly the needed reply to Radical Islam.

13 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:24:10pm

re: #8 Gus

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But of course not. Even during the early days of the Arab Spring, instead of speculation about how this might be a great sign and a vote in favor of allowing people self-determination, all we got was concern trolling about what losing dictators like Mubarak and Col. Mo would mean for the status quo.

14 gwangung  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:24:17pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

I actually got chills reading this story. This is huge. It actually gives me a bit of hope for the human race.

Notice that there were women involved in this protest.

Hope the US recognizes this and thanks them for their support.

15 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:25:56pm

re: #14 gwangung

Hope the US recognizes this and thanks them for their support.

Thanks is nice, aircover is nicer.

16 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:26:51pm

This is how countries react when you help get rid of their dictators without a ten year occupation.

They greet us as liberators.

17 gwangung  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:27:54pm

re: #15 Decatur Deb

Thanks is nice, aircover is nicer.

Point taken.

But both are good.

18 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:29:50pm

re: #16 Velvet Elvis

This is how countries react when you help get rid of their dictators without a ten year occupation.

They greet us as liberators.

And this time we got the flowers:

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19 Tigger2  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:32:08pm

I wonder how Fox and the Right Wing blogs are going to spin this.

20 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:32:32pm

re: #5 Gus

Nothing on the CNN page... NY Times... nothing. I could do a whole survey but won't. Reuters and Al Jazeera have it up.

And tomorrow our favourite bot will use this as an example of how much Reuters and NY Times hate Israel.

21 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:33:14pm

re: #19 Tigger2

I wonder how Fox and the Right Wing blogs are going to spin this.

Why didn't Obama support them earlier?

or something.

22 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:34:32pm

re: #19 Tigger2

I wonder how Fox and the Right Wing blogs are going to spin this.

Broken clock, twice a day.

23 freetoken  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:35:24pm

re: #19 Tigger2

Well, various haters even today have been jumping on opinion pieces that say that Republicans are finally, after a period of quiet, except from Romney, criticizing Obama on Libya, and that Libya is one of Obama's weaknesses.

Trouble for the haters is that the news is moving too fast for them.

24 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:35:49pm

Obama has obviously used his close ties to the Muslim Brotherhood to instigate an attack on a rival Islamist gang, which he can then use to blunt criticism of the apologetic, ineffectual foreign policy that was the real cause of the attacks on our embassies.

25 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:36:19pm

re: #19 Tigger2

I wonder how Fox and the Right Wing blogs are going to spin this.

They presently seem to be ignoring it, no doubt waiting for the anti-Obama angle to come up. Current prediction: "Yeah, that's nice, but what about Pakistan?!"

26 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:37:38pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

Like I said downstairs. Good. It is about time the moderates started pushing back against radical Islam. I only hope that it will not only grow, but spread through out the region.

27 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:38:21pm

re: #19 Tigger2

I wonder how Fox and the Right Wing blogs are going to spin this.

Freep is aware, has a dozen or so 'cautious' comments.

28 lostlakehiker  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:39:07pm

re: #6 Charles Johnson

I actually got chills reading this story. This is huge. It actually gives me a bit of hope for the human race.

Notice that there were women involved in this protest.

Put it in the memory banks, along with the spontaneous candlelight demonstration on the original 9/11 by Iranian civilians. (Before the regime broke it up.) Here and there, we do have friends.

29 A Mom Anon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:40:08pm

This is awesome. I really hope the people of Libya can get control of the radicals and bring forth the government they want for themselves. Really,that's the ONLY way to peace in any country,for the people to take their power back and run the radicals out of power. It's not easy and it certainly isn't a pretty process.

OT and FFS,the Atlanta ABC affiliate just covered this idiotic flag controversy. They did cover the fact that the GOP has used modified flag logos in many,many instances but did not confront the moronic GOP leader with her stupid"I'm just going to call him King Obama then" crap and how it's desecration on par with rioters in the middle east burning and stomping on the flag. They ended the segment with asking for "your thoughts on our Facebook page".

I need beer.

30 Cap'n Magic  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:40:30pm

re: #25 Targetpractice

The Pakistani's not only have to deal with their own internal strife, but with India as well.

31 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:40:54pm

re: #27 Decatur Deb

Freep is aware, has a dozen or so 'cautious' comments.

"Cautious" as in "Yeah, this is great, but Obama had nothing to do with it"?

32 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:42:18pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

"Cautious" as in "Yeah, this is great, but Obama had nothing to do with it"?

Lots of "trust but verify", a few folks trying to say that the current younger Libyan population took Reagan's words to heart, etc.

33 gwangung  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:43:14pm

re: #32 Lidane

Lots of "trust but verify", a few folks trying to say that the current younger Libyan population took Reagan's words to heart, etc.

"REAGAN's"?

Heh.

34 freetoken  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:44:08pm

re: #19 Tigger2

I wonder how Fox and the Right Wing blogs are going to spin this.

For example of where they are stuck:

Fox's Bolling: Libya Attack Was "In Retaliation For Bin Laden Killing" And Obama's "Victory Lap"

35 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:46:07pm

re: #34 freetoken

For example of where they are stuck:

Fox's Bolling: Libya Attack Was "In Retaliation For Bin Laden Killing" And Obama's "Victory Lap"

Yeah, I've been hearing that shit for days now. "Obama, Obama, we're all Osama!" is supposed to be proof that the attacks and riots were all totally in response to Obama's comments at the DNC convention, that the video was just a "scapegoat" and the embassy staff member who sent out the condemnation a "fall guy."

36 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:47:32pm

re: #24 Shiplord Kirel

But the Obama flag!

//

37 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:47:55pm

re: #33 gwangung

"REAGAN's"?

Heh.

You know, because Reagan and Bush were stern with Qaddafi to the point where Qaddafi started dumping his WMDs to avoid getting carpet bombed.

That's why these demonstrations happened today. Or something. I don't know. I don't speak fluent wingnut.

38 RadicalModerate  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:47:59pm

CNN has the story up now.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

39 freetoken  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:48:10pm

Off topic, actually a downstairs topic, I see that the tax return release by Romney is making for some real oily headlines, from all sorts of media outlets, that makes it sound as if Romney has answered the demand to release previous tax returns.

So, not only was this dumped on a Friday, and not only was the 2011 returns engineered to cover Mitt's assertion, but this is being played up as the ultimate answer to the tax release kerfluffle.

40 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:49:32pm

re: #39 freetoken

Off topic, actually a downstairs topic, I see that the tax return release by Romney is making for some real oily headlines, from all sorts of media outlets, that makes it sound as if Romney has answered the demand to release previous tax returns.

So, not only was this dumped on a Friday, and not only was the 2011 returns engineered to cover Mitt's assertion, but this is being played up as the ultimate answer to the tax release kerfluffle.

Got a feeling Harry Reid isn't going to buy that.

41 Tigger2  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:49:33pm

re: #36 Gus

But the Obama flag!

//

We ought to send them Fox News Flags to burn. lol

42 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:49:59pm

re: #38 RadicalModerate

CNN has the story up now.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Nice quote at the end...

Responding to the report from Benghazi, U.S. Sen. John McCain applauded the citizens' efforts Friday and said it represented the true, freedom-loving Libya that he and other U.S. officials involved in the country knew.

"Somewhere Chris Stevens is smiling," the Arizona Republican said. "This is what we knew ... about Libya."

43 freetoken  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:50:20pm

re: #40 Decatur Deb

Got a feeling Harry Reid isn't going to buy that.

But he is trying to buy Polar Bears:

Polar bear bill ties Senate in knots

44 RadicalModerate  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:53:19pm

re: #38 RadicalModerate

Also from the CNN story, there's a couple of interesting, and rather encouraging details that have emerged:

As militia members fled, the protesters torched a vehicle and took over the headquarters of Ansar al-Sharia without firing a single shot. They also claimed to have freed at least 20 captives held in the building.

45 Tigger2  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:55:14pm

re: #40 Decatur Deb

Got a feeling Harry Reid isn't going to buy that.

I want to see the long forms of his tax returns... and while were at it I want to see Romneys long form birth certificate and all his school transcripts all the way back to kindergarten.

46 JamesWI  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:56:30pm

Surprise, nothing on front page of Fox News on this.

They do of course, have this up near the top: 19 dead after thousands riot in Pakistan over anti-Muslim film

And, obviously just as important: Texas couple snaps photo of deer destroying Obama front yard sign

Journalism!

47 Tigger2  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:57:46pm

re: #46 JamesWI

Surprise, nothing on front page of Fox News on this.

They do of course, have this up near the top: 19 dead after thousands riot in Pakistan over anti-Muslim film

And, obviously just as important: Texas couple snaps photo of deer destroying Obama front yard sign


Journalism!

non-news at it's best.

48 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:58:22pm

Party time. BBL.

49 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 3:58:44pm

re: #46 JamesWI

Surprise, nothing on front page of Fox News on this.

They do of course, have this up near the top: 19 dead after thousands riot in Pakistan over anti-Muslim film

And, obviously just as important: Texas couple snaps photo of deer destroying Obama front yard sign

Journalism!

That's alright, the top story on Drudge? "Ann Romney's plane makes emergency landing!"

Oh my stars and garters, that's front page news!!///

50 nines09  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:02:09pm

Fox News. Yellow Journalism of the 21ST Century. Every single one of the talking heads on that waste of space should be bitch slapped daily. There will come a time when what they do will be studied as pure subterfuge against the American citizenry by bought hacks and charlatans.

51 freetoken  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:03:42pm

Besides the highly uneven coverage of what is happening in Libya, there are several other stories today whose coverage is really, really poor, all of which is strengthening my dismay over our society's ability to deal with reality.

Some topics today that are being butchered:

BLS employment figures;
Climate change (esp sea ice);
Romney's 2011 tax returns;
The "auto bailout".

Even the so called "mainstream" outlets like CNN have lost the ball.

Some really big stories are just missing from the front page (e.g., rising oil prices worldwide, Chinese economy, Chinese protests/work stoppages, etc.)

52 freetoken  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:04:31pm

Future Shock

53 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:06:24pm

See, See!? We keep trying to tell you naive fairy liberals that there is no such thing as a moderate Muslim, if there were then they would stand up to the radicals and tell them that what they are doing is wrong...oh wait...

54 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:08:11pm

re: #32 Lidane

Lots of "trust but verify", a few folks trying to say that the current younger Libyan population took Reagan's words to heart, etc.

re: #33 gwangung

"REAGAN's"?

Heh.

Reagan built that. or some similar shit.

55 freetoken  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:08:49pm

re: #53 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Speaking of which, I see several outlets (such as PJM) are still pushing hard the Dinesh D'Souza various fantasies.

56 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:09:00pm

re: #51 freetoken

Besides the highly uneven coverage of what is happening in Libya, there are several other stories today whose coverage is really, really poor, all of which is strengthening my dismay over our society's ability to deal with reality.

Some topics today that are being butchered:

BLS employment figures;
Climate change (esp sea ice);
Romney's 2011 tax returns;
The "auto bailout".

Even the so called "mainstream" outlets like CNN have lost the ball.

Some really big stories are just missing from the front page (e.g., rising oil prices worldwide, Chinese economy, Chinese protests/work stoppages, etc.)

It's never been more obvious than now just how much the media is invested in keeping this a horse-race. As well, with the China stories, about keeping their market share there by avoiding subjects that might piss off the locals and motivate the government to ban them.

57 dragonfire1981  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:09:34pm

Has anyone suggested that Obama and his super special forces air dropped all those people in or paid them off or something?

58 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:09:51pm

re: #40 Decatur Deb

Got a feeling Harry Reid isn't going to buy that.

oh someone please re-post Benjy Sarjin (sp?) tweet from earlier????

59 freetoken  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:11:07pm

re: #56 Targetpractice

"The media" is a highly fractured entity, with many of the old participants struggling to stay alive. If they can't hyper their own product they cant' get attention, which means they can't get advertising revenue, which means they can't stay alive.

In depth coverage of topics, with real debate (in the best meaning of that term), is just too boring to get enough readers/viewers.

60 A Mom Anon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:11:08pm

re: #51 freetoken

I just flipped the TV to Food Network. I can't take it anymore.
ABC World News Tonight is covering:
Ann Romney's plane making an emergency landing(the lead story).
The hunt for the paparazzi who took the pic of the royal boobies.
What your Apple stock return would be now if you had bought it when the first iphone came out.

Really? Nothing else is happening?

61 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:12:59pm

re: #59 freetoken

"The media" is a highly fractured entity, with many of the old participants struggling to stay alive. If they can't hyper their own product they cant' get attention, which means they can't get advertising revenue, which means they can't stay alive.

In depth coverage of topics, with real debate (in the best meaning of that term), is just too boring to get enough readers/viewers.

Agreed. NYT just got a spot on my weekly shitlist for slamming me with a pay wall to keep reading Nate Silver's full blog postings. That's a quicker way to lose readers than anything else.

62 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:13:41pm

re: #58 We're All Welfare Queens Now

oh someone please re-post Benjy Sarjin (sp?) tweet from earlier????

63 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:18:40pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

Agreed. NYT just got a spot on my weekly shitlist for slamming me with a pay wall to keep reading Nate Silver's full blog postings. That's a quicker way to lose readers than anything else.

The NYT got on my shitlist ages ago when they started trying that paywall shit for their Op-Ed section. And their subscription rates are laughable:

[Link: go-digital.net...]

64 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:21:33pm

re: #62 Lidane

Smooch! I busted out at work today when i read that. My aunt in Vegas loves her Harry and brings up his boxing history whenever his name comes up. She's gonna love this one.

65 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:22:37pm

O.T. Things that make you go "wha?"

I was just looking for a number in the phone book and found a listing for a place called "Original Pizza II."

66 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:25:24pm

re: #65 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

O.T. Things that make you go "wha?"

I was just looking for a number in the phone book and found a listing for a place called "Original Pizza II."

a phone book

you win!

67 calochortus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:26:42pm

re: #60 A Mom Anon

I just flipped the TV to Food Network. I can't take it anymore.
ABC World News Tonight is covering:
Ann Romney's plane making an emergency landing(the lead story).
The hunt for the paparazzi who took the pic of the royal boobies.
What your Apple stock return would be now if you had bought it when the first iphone came out.

Really? Nothing else is happening?

Nope, nothing else whatsoever. Just one of the many reasons we dropped our DirecTV. There's nothing on except on PBS...

68 kmg  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:27:44pm

That's exactly what needs to be done, well maybe not the ransacking. I saw video of a demonstration by radical Muslims in Australia and they sure looked pathetic once the crowd of atheists they were demonstrating against swelled to numbers greater than their own. The atheists at this meeting all came outside and their numbers and chanting were bigger and louder than the radicals who no longer knew what to do. Turning the tables works wonders.

69 JamesWI  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:28:33pm
70 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:29:59pm

re: #65 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

O.T. Things that make you go "wha?"

I was just looking for a number in the phone book and found a listing for a place called "Original Pizza II."

My favorite is the Ohio bank called "5th 3rd Bank". I never knew if this referred to the last third in 5/3 of a bank, or the last bank in 5 groups of three.

71 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:32:57pm

re: #68 kmg

That's exactly what needs to be done, well maybe not the ransacking. I saw video of a demonstration by radical Muslims in Australia and they sure looked pathetic once the crowd of atheists they were demonstrating against swelled to numbers greater than their own. The atheists at this meeting all came outside and their numbers and chanting were bigger and louder than the radicals who no longer knew what to do. Turning the tables works wonders.

I'd say the ransacking is long overdue. Remember, they actually found people being held captive in there. Time to stop these armed gangs from terrorizing the community.

72 blueraven  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:33:56pm

Fox news coverage has been nothing but the protests in the ME...nothing!

Yes, it is an important story, but what they are really pushing is some kind of scandal in the WH over Lybia.
Now that F&F fell flat, they need another fake scandal to push off on the Obama administration.

73 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:34:04pm

Did you all see that Tagg Romney had an "abortion OK" clause in his/his wife's surrogates contract?

Hmmm. (original story TMZ, they are kind of bad assed)

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

74 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:34:38pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

I'd say the ransacking is long overdue. Remember, they actually found people being held captive in there. Time to stop these armed gangs from terrorizing the community.

Indeed, ransacking can serve a constructive purpose, if for nothing else that resource denial. Destroy their encampment, their supplies, their means of continuing to terrorize the locals. But don't turn the violence against the people themselves. Make it clear that they are not welcome, but they will not be harmed if they leave.

75 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:34:46pm

I think it's kind of nervy to count your donations to support your Church (not charity programs run by the Church, but the Church itself) as "charity." Yes, they're tax deductible, but they're not "charity".

All the pundits are saying "Romney gave more than Obama", but that's not really true.

All I know is we paid about 36% of our income in all Federal taxes (payroll + income) combined. If you're not in the "money business" but just earn a good salary, have no kids or mortgage, there's nothing to deduct, and AMT wipes out any deductions for state tax (now at 11.5% and due to go up 3 points if the schoolteachers have their way.)

76 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:36:10pm

bbl

77 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:37:10pm

re: #72 blueraven

Fox news coverage has been nothing but the protests in the ME...nothing!

Yes, it is an important story, but what they are really pushing is some kind of scandal in the WH over Lybia.
Now that F&F fell flat, they need another fake scandal to push off on the Obama administration.

Thing is, I'm not seeing it take hold. They've been trying to push that shit for days, that Obama bears responsibility either A) for not heeding the "warnings," B) for his "victory lap" over OBL's death, or C) for not being "quick enough" to condemn the attack.

78 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:37:18pm

re: #63 Lidane

The NYT got on my shitlist ages ago when they started trying that paywall shit for their Op-Ed section. And their subscription rates are laughable:

[Link: go-digital.net...]

I use command or control + period to stop the loading of the page after the content appears but before the paywall appears. I'm surprised they haven't caught on to such an obvious workaround yet.

79 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:38:17pm

re: #78 goddamnedfrank

I use command or control + period to stop the loading of the page after the content appears but before the paywall appears. I'm surprised they haven't caught on to such an obvious workaround yet.

Now they will.

///

80 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:38:33pm

re: #75 ReamWorks SKG

I think it's kind of nervy to count your donations to support your Church (not charity programs run by the Church, but the Church itself) as "charity." Yes, they're tax deductible, but they're not "charity"

Really? i was wondering if the tithing was included in his (some deferred till after the election - can you say amended return) "charity" figures.

What a racket. Church gets tax free and tithers write off tax free. BS

81 JamesWI  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:40:59pm
82 sauceruney  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:41:01pm

This is likely the most amazing act of humanity and freedom I've read about in what feels like forever. It only saddens me to know there's a handful of idiots who will try to belittle this event, and misinform others of its meaning.

83 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:41:05pm

re: #80 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Yes! He has several years to amend his return. You have to be a fool not to take every deduction legally entitled to you. (That's simply what the 47% do! They don't pay taxes because they don't owe any!)

84 freetoken  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:41:31pm

Google says it has 1837 "news" articles on "Libya" right now.

Here is the latest Fox entry that shows up on the first page of Google:

Useful idiots

Yes, and Ollie North whine-fest about Obama.

85 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:42:13pm

Heh, I can't really condone the physical violence, but I sure can understand women having had enough already.

Combined with today's news from Libya, could be a new trend. One can hope.

Girls beat up Iran cleric over dress code

Tehran, Iran (CNN) -- They may be a far cry from their Western counterparts fighting for the acceptance to breast-feed -- or go topless -- in public, but two girls clobbered a cleric recently in a small town in Iran when he admonished one of them to cover herself more completely.

The cleric said he asked "politely," but the girl's angry reaction and some pugilistic double-teaming with her friend landed the holy man in the hospital, according to an account Monday in the semiofficial Mehr News Agency. [...]

86 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:43:26pm

Hi CL........!

87 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:43:34pm

It's coming around Sunset. Have a great shabbat shuvah everyone!

88 freetoken  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:44:02pm

re: #85 CuriousLurker

In some primate species the females run the show, and even if there is technically an "alpha male", he rules only with the approval of the alpha female and her female relatives.

89 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:44:02pm

re: #86 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Hi CL........!

Hiya! *waves* ;)

90 freetoken  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:48:37pm

It must be frustrating when the world moves faster than your talking points:

[Link: www.google.com...]

91 SpaceJesus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:51:10pm

I don't care for this kind of violence, but this is one of the best headlines I've ever read

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

92 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:53:25pm

This is primarily a rejection of Saudi influence in Libya.

"The Wahabi ideology espoused by this militant Salafist group has no roots in Libyan society; it is being imported from Saudi Arabia."

[Link: www.thenational.ae...]

93 freetoken  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:53:45pm

Oh, aren't we lucky... :

James Murdoch set to run News Corp’s U.S. Fox TV business

James Murdoch is reportedly being lined up to run News Corporation’s Fox TV business in the US despite being sharply criticised by British broadcasting regulator Ofcom on Thursday.

The role being discussed would put him in charge of the Fox Networks Group, which includes the Fox terrestrial TV network as well as cable channels such as FX and National Geographic, says a report in the Financial Times.

[...]

On Thursday, Ofcom declared BSkyB “fit and proper” to own broadcast licences, but the regulator was highly critical of James Murdoch’s handling of the phone-hacking scandal.

It found that Murdoch’s conduct in relation to News Group Newspapers “repeatedly fell short of the conduct to be expected of a chief executive and chairman” and that his lack of action in relation to phone hacking was “difficult to comprehend and ill-judged”.

[...]

So Rupert uses the US as the dumping ground for his son to keep him away from the prying eyes of UK monitors.

94 CarleeCork  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:55:13pm

re: #19 Tigger2

I wonder how Fox and the Right Wing blogs are going to spin this.

You know, I just don't give a shit about Faux anymore. Their program is viewed by a dying demographic.

95 researchok  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:56:27pm

re: #85 CuriousLurker

Must have been some bridesmaid dress.
/

96 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:57:37pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

Agreed. NYT just got a spot on my weekly shitlist for slamming me with a pay wall to keep reading Nate Silver's full blog postings. That's a quicker way to lose readers than anything else.

re: #63 Lidane

The NYT got on my shitlist ages ago when they started trying that paywall shit for their Op-Ed section. And their subscription rates are laughable:

[Link: go-digital.net...]

All you have to do is remove the ? and everything that follows it from the URL.

If it's a multi-page article, then append ?=all to the URL to get everything on one page and avoid having to click/cut again.

I've been using those for months. I suppose they'll eventually put a stop to it though.

97 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:58:41pm

Has anyone met a really rabid Romney fan? Plenty of people are wildly enthusiastic about Obama. Sarah Palin has her ardent admirers. Santorum had a contingent who were positively foamy in their admiration. Even Perry can rile the fundy masses, at least briefly. And Ron Paul, well, we won't even talk about him.

Romney is the first major candidate I can remember that nobody is especially passionate about. The base backs him as the lesser of two evils and because he is white. The establishment accepts him as the only tool in the box right now. Democrats think he is more a buffoon than a sinister Nixon-like figure. It is a triumph of banality and mediocrity.

98 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:58:58pm

All I can say is this protest in Libya shows the humanity that we all know is there. The RW tries so hard to dehumanize people. Every day, all the time (see: Morning LGF posts)

We, the Left are oft criticized for being blind, naive or whatever to not see the horror right in front of us (selectively chosen, of course)

I have always felt that what we see is people, and what the RW sees is their own fear.

Optimism v Pessimism.

99 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:59:03pm

You've gotta love the Bidens:

Youtube Video
100 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 4:59:45pm

re: #92 Bob Dillon

This is primarily a rejection of Saudi influence in Libya.

"The Wahabi ideology espoused by this militant Salafist group has no roots in Libyan society; it is being imported from Saudi Arabia."

[Link: www.thenational.ae...]

Ah, that's actually quite a good article. At first I rejected the notion that this might be more of a sectarian conflict but the article does make a good case for it.

101 researchok  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:01:01pm

re: #97 Shiplord Kirel

It is a triumph of banality and mediocrity.

Consider that line appropriated.

Or, redistributed.

102 JRCMYP  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:01:39pm

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

You've gotta love the Bidens:

[Embedded content]

That's awesome!

103 simoom  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:02:27pm

This is the same guy who paid for the full page "Obama's Real Father" NY Post ad; seems he's direct mailing out a whole lot of DVDs:

[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

An anti-Obama movie claiming — without evidence — that President Barack Obama's real father is an obscure African-American communist has been mailed to 1.5 million voters across the country, its creator told BuzzFeed Friday.

A reader in Ohio emailed this photo of his free copy of the film Dreams From My Real Father, which claims that the Chicago activist Frank Marshall Davis is actually President Obama's father. He received it in the mail this week.

The film's director and producer, Joel Gilbert, said that the film had been sent out to more one million voters in Ohio; 200,000 after a mid-summer conference, and a million after that. He said that 50,000 copies had been sent to voters in Nevada and 100,000 to voters in New Hampshire.

"We're sending out bulk mailings to many states," Gilbert said. "Probably Illinois, New York, Florida, Arizona, Louisiana, we'll hit every state if we can to stimulate and force the national media to cover the story."

Gilbert declined to say how much his company, Highway 61 Entertainment, is spending to distribute the film for free, but said that the film was making a profit through online orders. He also wouldn't say how the company is funded and how they come up with the money to distribute so many free disks, saying "We’re a private media company, a journalistic company that’s privately held and we don’t disclose the nature or makeup of our finances."

It'll be interesting to see if I get one, as I'm in one of the targeted swing states. This sort of thing gets into similar territory as the nasty smears against John McCain in the 2000 SC GOP primary -- just on a larger scale.

104 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:02:30pm

re: #97 Shiplord Kirel

Has anyone met a really rabid Romney fan? Plenty of people are wildly enthusiastic about Obama. Sarah Palin has her ardent admirers. Santorum had a contingent who were positively foamy in their admiration. Even Perry can rile the fundy masses, at least briefly. And Ron Paul, well, we won't even talk about him.

Romney is the first major candidate I can remember that nobody is especially passionate about. The base backs him as the lesser of two evils and because he is white. The establishment accepts him as the only tool in the box right now. Democrats think he is more a buffoon than a sinister Nixon-like figure. It is a triumph of banality and mediocrity.

Nobody was very excited about McCain either. Even Bush's support was fairly luke warm both in 2000 and 2004. Also note how quickly even the luke warm Bush support evaporated after the last election. Republicans haven't been excited about a candidate since Reagan.

105 freetoken  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:02:54pm

re: #97 Shiplord Kirel

Romney is the first major candidate I can remember that nobody is especially passionate about.

Perhaps you're not hanging around enough people with 8-figure salaries?

106 JRCMYP  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:03:01pm

This thread brought tears to my eyes. And it makes me realize how much bad news we've had as a global community for so long. Go Libyan People!

107 researchok  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:03:25pm

re: #105 freetoken

That's cold.
//

108 A Mom Anon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:04:42pm

re: #97 Shiplord Kirel

Yeah,I have a neighbor who loves her some Romney/Ryan and can't wait to vote for them. I do think her hate of Obama(actually it's more fear really) is what drives this enthusiasm.

I just found out my mom,a staunch republican has let her voter registration turn inactive,which means she didn't vote in '08. I'm still working on her,lol, she's starting to figure out that the demonization of liberals is bullshit. If I can just get her to step away from the Glenn Beck,I think she's reachable.

109 Coracle  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:05:04pm

re: #73 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Did you all see that Tagg Romney had an "abortion OK" clause in his/his wife's surrogates contract?

Hmmm. (original story TMZ, they are kind of bad assed)

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

"Rules for thee, but not for me." Make no mistake. That is the Republican platform.

110 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:05:33pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Nobody was very excited about McCain either. Even Bush's support was fairly luke warm both in 2000 and 2004. Also note how quickly even the luke warm Bush support evaporated after the last election. Republicans haven't been excited about a candidate since Reagan.

Indeed, even when I supported Bush in '04, it was more a silent certainty than a rabid fanaticism. I saw him as the logical choice, but never got passionate about him. And that sort of middling sentiment carried me through McCain's campaign as well.

Now? I think Obama is one hell of a guy and would not have a problem arguing that passionately to the most ardent hater. I actually feel an emotional connection to his campaign.

111 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:06:05pm

re: #106 JRCMYP

This thread brought tears to my eyes. And it makes me realize how much bad news we've had as a global community for so long. Go Libyan People!

The Iranians aren't too far behind, popular unrest is still bubbling. Egypt might be close depending on how the Muslim Bros handle things. Reaction to the movie and cartoons has been pretty tame in Iraq. Things are happening, slowly but still happening.

112 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:07:00pm

this story ranks 2nd in the google news algorithmic aggregator page, but where foxed news humans make a news page by hand


it does not appear at all

113 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:07:27pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

Indeed, even when I supported Bush in '04, it was more a silent certainty than a rabid fanaticism. I saw him as the logical choice, but never got passionate about him. And that sort of middling sentiment carried me through McCain's campaign as well.

Now? I think Obama is one hell of a guy and would not have a problem arguing that passionately to the most ardent hater. I actually feel an emotional connection to his campaign.

I like Obama too but I find his supporters a bit overly passionate. It'll be interesting to see what he does with a second term.

114 A Mom Anon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:10:36pm

re: #103 simoom

When does this step into being libel? It's a lie,but does it get a pass under free speech because politics are involved and Obama is a public figure? I don't get how people are allowed to lie like this with no consequences.

115 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:11:13pm

re: #105 freetoken

Perhaps you're not hanging around enough people with 8-figure salaries?

True, I don't move in those circles.
Come to think of it, I try not to go in circles at all but you can get set in your ways at my age.

116 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:11:57pm

re: #113 Killgore Trout

I like Obama too but I find his supporters a bit overly passionate. It'll be interesting to see what he does with a second term.

I think it's going to depend in large part on what the legislative picture looks like next year. John Marshall posted an opinion from an TPM reader the other day that pointed out that, while everybody's focus is on the White House and Senate, the big earthshaker may end up being the House. If the Dems can make major inroads, in the neighborhood of 18-20 seats or more, then Boehner is gonna have no choice, he's gonna have to start making deals.

117 jaunte  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:12:17pm

re: #103 simoom

Gilbert declined to say how much his company, Highway 61 Entertainment, is spending to distribute the film for free, but said that the film was making a profit through online orders. He also wouldn't say how the company is funded and how they come up with the money to distribute so many free disks, saying "We’re a private media company, a journalistic company that’s privately held and we don’t disclose the nature or makeup of our finances."

That has to be one of the most abused words of the decade.

118 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:13:27pm

re: #98 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Optimism v Pessimism.

Hear hear. I've been more or less out of circulation all week because I just couldn't deal with the negativity. We (American Muslims) already deal with a bunch of baggage every time this kind of shit starts up—embarrassment (feelings of guilt by association), anger (it's all so stupid & counterproductive), frustration (we have no control over it), etc.—so the thought of coming online and adding to the stress is pretty much out of the question. Gotta take a mental health break, y'know?

119 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:13:44pm

Multicultural.

120 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:14:41pm

re: #119 wrenchwench

Multicultural.

[Embedded content]

...okay, who spiked my drink!?

/

121 A Mom Anon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:14:58pm

re: #119 wrenchwench

My son the metalhead is gonna love this.

122 researchok  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:15:51pm

re: #118 CuriousLurker

I suggest therapy.

Or food.

123 A Mom Anon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:16:50pm

re: #118 CuriousLurker

((((teeny hug)))),that makes me so sad. Stupid and Mean People Suck.

124 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:16:56pm

re: #119 wrenchwench

Multicultural.

[Embedded content]

Yikes! The world is coming to an end after all. So I was wrong, wouldn't be the first time.

125 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:17:00pm

re: #116 Targetpractice

I think it's going to depend in large part on what the legislative picture looks like next year. John Marshall posted an opinion from an TPM reader the other day that pointed out that, while everybody's focus is on the White House and Senate, the big earthshaker may end up being the House. If the Dems can make major inroads, in the neighborhood of 18-20 seats or more, then Boehner is gonna have no choice, he's gonna have to start making deals.

Second term, bipartianship. Imagine that.

Says over the top Obama lover.

126 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:17:06pm

re: #118 CuriousLurker

Oh, my point was that this news of the Libyan demonstrators going after the militants really made my week. *happy dance* ;)

127 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:17:50pm

re: #122 researchok

I suggest therapy.

Or food.

Cake. Chocolate. Coffee.

128 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:19:02pm

Maybe I'm too optimistic but this incident in Libya could be the beginning of the end for terrorists and their fronts. People may rise against them everywhere now that the Libyans have shown it is possible.

129 bratwurst  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:19:48pm

re: #125 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Second term, bipartianship. Imagine that.

Says over the top Obama lover.

Quit being so "overly passionate", will you? It is very important that we give a party that has made misogyny a plank in its platform a fair hearing. /

130 jaunte  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:20:03pm

"Good news, everyone!"

131 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:21:24pm

re: #119 wrenchwench

Multicultural.

[Embedded content]

They're really good, BTW. Funny as hell to hear Guns'N'Roses done mariachi.

132 researchok  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:21:25pm

re: #127 CuriousLurker

Cake. Chocolate. Coffee.

Two slices of cheesecake and you'll be fine in the AM

133 A Mom Anon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:21:36pm

re: #128 Shiplord Kirel

Let's hope so. It's really the only way to stop this sort of madness. People have to get riled up and sick of the way it is and fight their way to something better. I really hope this becomes a trend. Everywhere such extremism exists.

134 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:21:58pm

Night Lizards.

May the Deity of Your Choice Smile Down Upon You.

135 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:22:47pm

re: #131 makeitstop

They're really good, BTW. Funny as hell to hear Guns'N'Roses done mariachi.

Off to YouTube...

136 blueraven  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:24:39pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

Nobody was very excited about McCain either. Even Bush's support was fairly luke warm both in 2000 and 2004. Also note how quickly even the luke warm Bush support evaporated after the last election. Republicans haven't been excited about a candidate since Reagan.

They were plenty excited about Palin though.

137 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:25:24pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

Off to YouTube...

Here's one you may not see, but it's relevant. My bosses doing a mashup for Hornitos.

Youtube Video

They actually removed all the original tracks except lead vocals and drums and had the mariachi guys re-record the song.

138 A Mom Anon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:25:49pm

Nite lizards. Have a peaceful Friday evening.

139 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:26:20pm

re: #118 CuriousLurker

Hear hear. I've been more or less out of circulation all week because I just couldn't deal with the negativity. We (American Muslims) already deal with a bunch of baggage every time this kind of shit starts up—embarrassment (feelings of guilt by association), anger (it's all so stupid & counterproductive), frustration (we have no control over it), etc.—so the thought of coming online and adding to the stress is pretty much out of the question. Gotta take a mental health break, y'know?

I missed you, and felt why.

140 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:26:47pm

re: #123 A Mom Anon

((((teeny hug)))),that makes me so sad. Stupid and Mean People Suck.

Back atcha. {{{A Mom Anon}}} ;)

Mean people DO suck, but we understand that people are gonna be upset & angry because we are too. But still, it's the guilt by association thing that's such a bitch.

Even if people don't mean it that way, it's too easy to feel like they do because you know that even though they may logically understand it's not your fault, it still reflects on you somehow, so when they start saying ugly stuff it's hard not to take it personally. I mean it's emotion, not reason, so by definition it's...well, it's time to step away to try to keep some perspective.

Oy. Shrink or cake? Cake. Definitely cake.

141 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:27:00pm

re: #137 makeitstop

Here's one you may not see, but it's relevant. My bosses doing a mashup for Hornitos.

[Embedded content]

They actually removed all the original tracks except lead vocals and drums and had the mariachi guys re-record the song.

I'm still watching this one. Ajua!

Youtube Video
142 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:30:10pm

The dinger keeps hanging and making the page slow down or time out.

143 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:32:24pm

re: #142 CuriousLurker

The dinger keeps hanging and making the page slow down or time out.

Dingers need cake too.

144 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:34:12pm

re: #137 makeitstop

Here's one you may not see, but it's relevant. My bosses doing a mashup for Hornitos.

[Embedded content]

They actually removed all the original tracks except lead vocals and drums and had the mariachi guys re-record the song.

Nice!

145 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:39:17pm

Charles,
Not sure if you got a glimpse of the shuttle over L.A. today. Donna/Dragon Lady grabbed the 7D and nailed it.

[Link: studio11photography.blogspot.com...]

146 aagcobb  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:39:35pm

How bad a week has Romney had? On Nate Silver's nowcast, he would have less than a 5% chance of winning the election if it was held today.

147 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:44:31pm

OT time enough to get advice?

Today the company sent out email saying they are shopping health insurance. Can you please fill out this form that lists every detailed pre-existing condition? Sign it and send to the insurance rep. All private, yeah. the fine print about privacy was a joke, basically, you can "request" your form be moved from the data base, but its going to be out there.

Who would fill out this form truthfully?? Or fill it out at all? No one in a sane mind puts out their pre-existing conditions to a fucking insurance broker. One of our guys' wife has ovarian cancer right now, going thru the start of treatment. To see his face when he opened this email......

Younger girl says to me, but under Obamacare all pre-existing conditions are covered. Got the chance to educate that ALL the GOP has pledged to repeal (take away - in her language) Obamacare.

What do I do with this bullshit?

148 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:45:46pm

re: #142 CuriousLurker

The dinger keeps hanging and making the page slow down or time out.

It's not actually the dinger - Apache is acting up. Keeps restarting.

149 aagcobb  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:46:40pm

re: #147 We're All Welfare Queens Now

I would question whether it is even legal for your company to request such information. You may want to talk to an attorney.

150 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:47:43pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

It's not actually the dinger - Apache is acting up. Keeps restarting.

Ah, okay. I thought maybe you were tinkering with something under the hood.

151 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:48:48pm

re: #147 We're All Welfare Queens Now

What aagcobb said.

152 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:49:50pm

re: #149 aagcobb

re: #151 CuriousLurker

Seriously!!!! I was shocked.

153 darthstar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:50:03pm

Women for Mitt!

Image: 250658_10151095290491298_2068720328_n.jpg

154 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:50:31pm

re: #152 We're All Welfare Queens Now

re: #151 CuriousLurker

Seriously!!!! I was shocked.

Yeah, it sounds really fishy. I wouldn't fill out or sign a damned thing.

155 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:53:45pm

re: #154 CuriousLurker

Yeah, it sounds really fishy. I wouldn't fill out or sign a damned thing.

Yah. I'm not the loudest there, other peeps are probably freaking out & screaming. We'll see, but its gonna rot on my desk.

156 abolitionist  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:53:55pm

UAE call to ban hypnotic music as illegal 'digital drug'

DUBAI // A police scientist is calling for a type of hypnotic music to be banned by law in the same way as drugs.

Dr Sarhan Al Meheini, deputy director of the Police Sciences Academy in Sharjah, believes audio files called "binaural beats" should be dealt with like cannabis and ecstasy.

Binaural beats are generally used to reach altered states of consciousness, for meditation or alertness or to aid sleep, but many producers claim the technology can mimic the effect of drugs on the brain.

There is no scientific evidence for their claims and reviews are mixed at best, but Dr Al Meheini believes "digital drugs" pose a risk to society.

Reminds me of one damnation of Rock n Roll by some US senator or governor in the 1950's: It's the beat, it's the beat, it's the beat.

157 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:54:33pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

It's not actually the dinger - Apache is acting up. Keeps restarting.

Time to try a lighter web server like nginx or cherokee?

158 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:54:58pm

Oh yes, you LGF Pages writers are going to like this new Image Manager app I've been working on.

159 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:55:34pm

Thanks Peeps! LGF is an excellent source of info, always. I think of you first!

160 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:55:46pm

re: #158 Charles Johnson

Oh yes, you LGF Pages writers are going to like this new Image Manager app I've been working on.

What?? Don't tease us, dammit!

161 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:56:32pm

re: #147 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Oh hell no. I'd be extremely skeptical. HIPAA law gets thick in this. Talk to an HR expert attorney if you can't avoid just trashing the form.

162 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:56:59pm

re: #148 Charles Johnson

It's not actually the dinger - Apache is acting up. Keeps restarting.

The wind whispers Mary nginx. Feasible?

163 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:57:14pm

re: #158 Charles Johnson

Oh yes, you LGF Pages writers are going to like this new Image Manager app I've been working on.

SWEET!

Dare I ask-Any chance of increasing the max size some?

164 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:58:25pm

It's like the LGF Pages Dashboard, but for images you've uploaded.

165 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:59:32pm

re: #157 reflections of a redneck

Time to try a lighter web server like nginx or cherokee?

First thing I thought of was the great story today on NPR of Chimney Rock, newest National Monument - Today!

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

166 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 5:59:44pm

re: #155 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Yah. I'm not the loudest there, other peeps are probably freaking out & screaming. We'll see, but its gonna rot on my desk.

Fill in the name of a target of your choice, and list HIV, Hep C, and schizophrenia as pre-existing conditions. Observe and record the results.

167 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:01:17pm

re: #156 abolitionist

UAE call to ban hypnotic music as illegal 'digital drug'

Reminds me of one damnation of Rock n Roll by some US senator or governor in the 1950's: It's the beat, it's the beat, it's the beat.

Better ban all sources of white noise, then, because that's all it is. Start with waterfalls and rain showers.

168 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:02:48pm

re: #166 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Fill in the name of a target of your choice, and list HIV, Hep C, and schizophrenia as pre-existing conditions. Observe and record the results.

They ask all those questions. Including therapy. Insane.

169 abolitionist  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:04:12pm

re: #167 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Better ban all sources of white noise, then, because that's all it is. Start with waterfalls and rain showers.

Long ago, you could use a simple FM radio as a source of white noise, simply by tuning somewhere between stations, but most modern radios will automatically mute the sound when the signal is weak.

170 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:05:49pm

rock & roll - communist conspiracy

171 ozbloke  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:06:22pm

white noise

Youtube Video
172 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:08:08pm

Been meaning to write this Image Manager for a loooong time, and finally got a real start on it with help from the Standard PHP Library's RecursiveDirectoryIterator class, which rocks beyond belief.

173 BishopX  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:08:49pm

For those of you who were talking about the NYT paywall, clearing your cache will reset the 10 articles/month counter as it's just a client side cookie... This has worked from the beginning of the paywall.

174 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:11:05pm

I guess I'm not being clear.

175 abolitionist  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:11:36pm

re: #170 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

rock & roll - communist conspiracy

Thanks, found it. Not a senator or governor, but Rev. Jimmy Snow:

Youtube Video
176 ozbloke  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:12:30pm

You won't hear this often in international politics.

From the Treasurer of Australia
Swan attacks Republican 'cranks and crazies'

Federal Treasurer Wayne Swan has delivered a speech labelling some elements of the United States Republican party as "cranks and crazies".

Mr Swan's speech at the Financial Services Council breakfast in Sydney comes less than two months before the US election.

His speech referred to political gridlock over spending cuts and tax increases due to kick in early next year, which could tip the US economy back into recession.

"Let's be blunt, the biggest threat to the world's biggest economy are the cranks and crazies that have taken over parts of the Republican Party," he said.

"Despite (US president Barack) Obama's goodwill ... the national interest was held hostage by the rise of the extreme right Tea-Party wing of the Republicans.

"There can be few things more alarming in public policy than a political group which was genuinely prepared to see the government of the United States default on its obligations in order to score a political point."

Mr Swan says global markets are nervously watching hardline elements of the Republicans for signs they will block reasonable attempts to support growth.

More...

177 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:12:30pm

re: #174 reflections of a redneck

I guess I'm not being clear.

wha

178 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:12:32pm

re: #175 abolitionist

Thanks, found it. Not a senator or governor, but Rev. Jimmy Snow:

[Embedded content]

Rev. stands for revision, right?

179 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:14:12pm

re: #177 We're All Welfare Queens Now

wha

Oh, my wife just told me to get my fat head out of the way so she could watch TV.

180 abolitionist  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:15:20pm

re: #178 reflections of a redneck

Rev. stands for revision, right?

Revolutionary /

181 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:15:56pm

Evening Lizardim.

182 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:17:28pm

re: #180 abolitionist

Revolutionary /

Nah, they rotate but they don't r'evolve.

183 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:23:41pm

Who's here from the North East? I'm having an authentic lobster roll for dinner. That live thing was boiled (I left the room, but said goodbye)

I'm thinking Satt and someone else.........who would have a jealous memory?

184 SidewaysQuark  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:24:34pm

Impressive. :-)

185 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:26:28pm

re: #183 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Who's here from the North East? I'm having an authentic lobster roll for dinner. That live thing was boiled (I left the room, but said goodbye)

I'm thinking Satt and someone else.........who would have a jealous memory?

Does Halifax count?
I'm not from there but the wife spent a year there and talks about the East Coast lobster every time we go to a restaurant that serves the nasty little critters.

186 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:27:07pm

bbl

187 danarchy  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:27:38pm

re: #183 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Who's here from the North East? I'm having an authentic lobster roll for dinner. That live thing was boiled (I left the room, but said goodbye)

I'm thinking Satt and someone else.........who would have a jealous memory?

Born and raised in Massachusetts. Still live here though and have had my fill of lobster rolls this summer.

188 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:28:11pm

re: #183 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Who's here from the North East? I'm having an authentic lobster roll for dinner. That live thing was boiled (I left the room, but said goodbye)

I'm thinking Satt and someone else.........who would have a jealous memory?

I'm in the western Boston suburbs, but the last time I ate a lobster I'd gone all the way to northern Maine to do it.

189 BishopX  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:29:12pm

re: #183 We're All Welfare Queens Now

I'm in the Boston suburbs, but no one does it better than Maine... I don't even eat them around here.

190 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:29:18pm

re: #185 reflections of a redneck

Does Halifax count?
I'm not from there but the wife spent a year there and talks about the East Coast lobster every time we go to a restaurant that serves the nasty little critters.

Large aquatic cockroaches. But so tasty.

191 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:29:31pm

You don't eat Canadian lobster, lobster eats you.

192 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:29:46pm

re: #183 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Seabugs! Yum!

193 danarchy  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:30:08pm

re: #189 BishopX

I'm in the Boston suburbs, but no one does it better than Maine... I don't even eat them around here.

You can get a damn fine lobster roll in Gloucester

194 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:30:31pm

re: #191 reflections of a redneck

You don't eat Canadian lobster, lobster eats you.

We're Minnesotan. We eat Canadian lobster for lunch. And for dinner if we're hungry.

195 austin_blue  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:30:55pm

re: #57 dragonfire1981

Has anyone suggested that Obama and his super special forces air dropped all those people in or paid them off or something?

Actually, he isn't the first Dem Prez to do this. Clinton sent 10,000 Very Special Forces to the Persian Gulf:

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

in a specially modified aircraft (scroll down).

///

196 BishopX  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:32:22pm

re: #193 danarchy

Probably, heck I could probably find an acceptable roll somewhere around Boston. But the fact is there is simply better food around here.

197 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:32:44pm

re: #194 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

We're Minnesotan. We eat Canadian lobster for lunch. And for dinner if we're hungry.

Saskatchewan mosquitoes eat Minnesotans all day long.

198 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:34:07pm

re: #197 reflections of a redneck

Saskatchewan mosquitoes eat Minnesotans all day long.

And so the circle of life is complete.

199 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:35:21pm

Heh, it just occurred to me that another motivating factor in Willard's choice to dump his '11 return as well as the summary of the past decade out on a Friday might have something to do with the two threats to release his full tax returns. Certainly would make sense, if you wanted to put yourself in a position to accuse those released of being fakes, to get this out there ahead of such a release.

200 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:35:37pm

re: #195 austin_blue

Actually, he isn't the first Dem Prez to do this. Clinton sent 10,000 Very Special Forces to the Persian Gulf:

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

in a specially modified aircraft (scroll down).

///

Of course, this was Clinton's best deployment.

201 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:37:33pm

Hell, now that I think about it, this would be a perfect opportunity for the Obama campaign to put out a similar notarized "summary" of his college transcripts.

202 austin_blue  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:37:43pm

re: #183 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Who's here from the North East? I'm having an authentic lobster roll for dinner. That live thing was boiled (I left the room, but said goodbye)

I'm thinking Satt and someone else.........who would have a jealous memory?

Mmmmm...lobster roll. And a small budata. A Southie 5 star meal. Mmmmm...

203 wheat-dogg  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:38:19pm

re: #78 goddamnedfrank

I use command or control + period to stop the loading of the page after the content appears but before the paywall appears. I'm surprised they haven't caught on to such an obvious workaround yet.

Firefox users can find an add-on called NYClean. It will open the page even after the pay up! screen shows.

204 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:39:10pm

re: #201 Targetpractice

Hell, now that I think about it, this would be a perfect opportunity for the Obama campaign to put out a similar notarized "summary" of his college transcripts.

Oh, please. The Birthers won't be satisfied by that (or anything, for that matter). All it will do is make the news for a cycle.

205 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:39:28pm

re: #201 Targetpractice

Hell, now that I think about it, this would be a perfect opportunity for the Obama campaign to put out a similar notarized "summary" of his college transcripts.

That would be hilarious and awesome. And it would set the wingnuts into full rage mode all over again.

206 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:40:28pm

re: #204 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Oh, please. The Birthers won't be satisfied by that (or anything, for that matter). All it will do is make the news for a cycle.

Yes, but it would be a masterful trolling of the RWNJ noise machine. It wouldn't satisfy the kooks, but it would be funny.

207 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:40:41pm

re: #205 Lidane

That would be hilarious and awesome. And it would set the wingnuts into full rage mode all over again.

Awesomesauce.

208 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:41:03pm

re: #206 Lidane

Yes, but it would be a masterful trolling of the RWNJ noise machine. It wouldn't satisfy the kooks, but it would be funny.

I'll grant you that. The President does have a knack for rollin' with the trollin'.

209 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:41:51pm

re: #204 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Oh, please. The Birthers won't be satisfied by that (or anything, for that matter). All it will do is make the news for a cycle.

That's the point, the wingers are gonna howl like crazy that it's not a "full disclosure." They'd demand to know why they should accept it when they know that the relevant data has been kept from them. And then they could get smacked with their acceptance of Romney's "summary" of his tax returns.

210 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:41:56pm

re: #118 CuriousLurker

Hear hear. I've been more or less out of circulation all week because I just couldn't deal with the negativity. We (American Muslims) already deal with a bunch of baggage every time this kind of shit starts up—embarrassment (feelings of guilt by association), anger (it's all so stupid & counterproductive), frustration (we have no control over it), etc.—so the thought of coming online and adding to the stress is pretty much out of the question. Gotta take a mental health break, y'know?

{{CL}}

211 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:43:29pm

When you're at a party and your wife says to someone "Suzy is much older than I am", the correct answer is not "Wow, really."

212 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:44:52pm

re: #211 Decatur Deb

When you're at a party and your wife says to someone "Suzy is much older than I am" the correct answer is not "Wow, really."

Hard lesson to learn. Unless you do it. More than once.

213 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:51:27pm

Hahaha:

214 austin_blue  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:03:47pm

re: #210 Daniel Ballard

{{CL}}

Missed her comment. Thanks for noting it, as it gave me the opportunity to give CL a well deserved upding.

I can't imagine what it must be like to be Muslim in America. I *do* know, however, that if a post like that was sent to this board when I was a hatchling, the response would have been suggestions for CL to don a pork skin burka, wear a bacon necklace and get Transferred out of the US.

And the Transfer comments would have come from an entrenched radical Kahanist cohort that existed here at that time.

I didn't get into positive karma territory for a long time.

215 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:21:50pm

re: #202 austin_blue

Mmmmm...lobster roll. And a small budata. A Southie 5 star meal. Mmmmm...

what is a budata?

216 ozbloke  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:22:57pm

re: #215 We're All Welfare Queens Now

what is a budata?

/ I think you start with a slice of buda, and build on it.

217 Sophist, Gingham Style  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:18:41pm

re: #157 reflections of a redneck

Time to try a lighter web server like nginx or cherokee?

You could try running Elizabeth Warren. I hear she's a lighter version of Apache.

218 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:06:42am

Morning, Lizards. This news out of Libya is heartening, and I'm glad to see it.

It is my sincerest hope that moderates in the Muslim world start standing up to the radicals, and telling them, "No, sorry....see, we don't roll like that." The radicals (modern-day Kharijites, in my opinion) are a relative minority in the Muslim fold, and need to be told off soundly.

And the Wahabi movement needs to be shown for what it is; a retrogressive, reactionary utopian fantasy that has no place in the modern world except as perhaps a source of academic discussion.

219 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:38:07am

Future events of this nature will tell if this is really part of the revolution or just a hiccup in time.

220 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:07:21pm

re: #219 Eclectic Infidel

30,000 people spontaneously taking to the streets to demonstrate against Islamists is quite a bit more than a "hiccup."

221 Dazed  Sun, Sep 23, 2012 12:27:59pm

Right on man.Reading this article brought a smile to my face..;}


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