TX GOP Rep. Gohmert: Obama “Helped Jump-Start a New Ottoman Empire”

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According to my careful analysis, Texas Rep. Louie “Terror Babies” Gohmert is the Dumbest Person in Congress, and he proves it again with this crazy rant accusing President Obama of “jump-starting a new Ottoman Empire.”

It’s doubtful that Gohmert actually knows anything about the Ottoman Empire, except that it somehow involves Muslims, which makes it scary and bad.

This man is an idiotRep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) took to the House Floor today to declare that President Obama is helping to start a “new Ottoman Empire,” as seen in his decisions to end the war in Iraq, which Gohmert said means losing the war, and to topple Muammar Gaddafi’s dictatorship in Libya. Gohmert warned that we are witnessing the “massive beginning of a new Ottoman Empire that President Obama can take great credit for.” “Wow look what he has helped do in the Middle East, a new Ottoman Empire,” Gohmert said, “thank you President Barack Hussein Obama.” Gohmert added that he didn’t know if Obama is or is not a Christian, adding, “what I do know is that he has helped jump-start a new Ottoman Empire.”

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1 ozbloke  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:45:50pm

This is a big win for Mitt Romney!!!

2 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:46:53pm

Note the President Barack Hussein Obama.

Is Gohmert a TPer?

3 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:47:23pm

Wasn't that one of the arguing points in favor of invading Iraq back in the day? That, when the rest of the region saw democracy flourishing in Iraq, they'd want some of that forbidden fruit for themselves and rise up to throw out the dictators and oligarchs ruling over them?

4 thecommodore  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:47:41pm

Mark Levin would say this was his finest hour.

5 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:48:07pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

Wasn't that one of the arguing points in favor of invading Iraq back in the day? That, when the rest of the region saw democracy flourishing in Iraq, they'd want some of that forbidden fruit for themselves and rise up to throw out the dictators and oligarchs ruling over them?

That was when we had a white Republican POTUS.

6 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:48:30pm

re: #1 ozbloke

This is a big win for Mitt Romney!!!

Sure is. He has several very expensive ottomans in his family room. It helps him to relax when he puts his feet up on them.

7 SpaceJesus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:51:32pm

Does this make me a janissary of Obama The Magnificent

8 bratwurst  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:54:49pm

I would be willing to wager this this goober couldn't find Libya on a map.

9 Kragar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:58:49pm

re: #7 SpaceJesus

Does this make me a janissary of Obama The Magnificent

I think that would require both you and Obama to convert to Islam...

10 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 6:59:33pm

re: #8 bratwurst

I would be willing to wager this this goober couldn't find Libya on a map.

I read Libya as Labia.

I know it was a minor error, but my eyes need adjustment.

11 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:00:14pm

re: #7 SpaceJesus

Does this make me a janissary of Obama The Magnificent

LOL! How about the janissary of LGF?

12 prairiefire  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:01:20pm

Does this mean better rugs?

13 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:02:45pm

re: #10 reflections of a redneck

I read Libya as Labia.

I know it was a minor error, but my eyes need adjustment.

I doubt Gohmert could find that either. =P

14 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:03:41pm
15 Kragar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:04:09pm

I figure Louie has problems with any book that doesn't have pictures or Jesus in it.

16 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:04:36pm

re: #14 Gus

Gomer's been talking to that empty Ottoman again.

So he was talking to the feet of Invisible Obama?

17 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:04:45pm

re: #15 Kragar

I figure Louie has problems with any book that doesn't have pictures or Jesus in it.

Pictures of a very European looking Jesus.

18 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:05:11pm

re: #13 Lidane

I doubt Gohmert could find that either. =P

I made you laugh.

19 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:05:28pm

This SNL special on MSNBC is just brutal. Loving it.

20 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:05:32pm

He's probably praying for Halley's Comet to be entirely diverted against the Turks when it comes back in 2061.

21 Kragar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:08:10pm

re: #17 reflections of a redneck

Pictures of a very European looking Jesus.

Blonde hair, blue eyed Jesus is all the rage nowadays.

22 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:08:35pm

re: #20 Shiplord Kirel

He's probably praying for Halley's Comet to be entirely diverted against the Turks when it comes back in 2061.

If such a comet were to crash into the Earth, its effects would be felt everywhere. A year without a summer would be a likely result.

23 simoom  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:08:50pm

re: #103 simoom

Anti-Obama Movie Mailed To 1 Million Ohioians

An anti-Obama movie claiming — without evidence — that President Barack Obama's real father is an obscure African-American communist has been mailed to 1.5 million voters across the country, its creator told BuzzFeed Friday.

Aaaaand it's being promoted by the Alabama Republican Party Chairman:

[Link: blog.al.com...]

Bill Armistead, chairman of the Alabama Republican Party, caught the attention of a liberal watchdog group after he recommended the movie 'Dreams From My Real Father' to an Alabama audience.

Armistead, speaking Wednesday to the Eastern Shore Republican Women in Fairhope, discussed the importance of electing GOP nominee Mitt Romney in the November election against President Barack Obama.

“We have to win this election. This is about our country. Our country will not be the same,” Armistead said. “I’m convinced, if Obama wins, our children and grandchildren will not live under the same conditions that we’ve lived in these wonderful years. Obama has a different ideology than we do.”

Armistead suggested that audience members see the movie '2016: Obama’s America,' a documentary by conservative commentator Dinesh D'Souza that is critical of the president.

“If you haven’t seen it, you should,” he said. “But I’m going to tell you about another movie. The name of it is ‘Dreams From My Real Father.’ That is absolutely frightening. I’ve seen it. I verified that it is factual, all of it. People can determine.”

The movie, not in theaters but available to purchase on DVD, claims that Obama’s real father is Frank Marshall Davis, an American labor activist and organizer for the Communist Party USA.

They're not doing this right, are they? The standard operating procedure for smears is that you keep a plausible deniability wall between the "dirty tricks" and the actual party...

24 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:09:34pm

re: #21 Kragar

Blonde hair, blue eyed Jesus is all the rage nowadays.

Image: Mw67k.png

25 simoom  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:09:53pm

re: #19 Charles Johnson

This SNL special on MSNBC is just brutal. Loving it.

The cold open from yesterday's show?:
[Link: www.nbc.com...]

26 Kragar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:10:09pm

re: #20 Shiplord Kirel

He's probably praying for Halley's Comet to be entirely diverted against the Turks when it comes back in 2061.

Gohmert is going to push a defense appropriations bill to spend $1 billion dollars to outfit our troops with square bullets.

27 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:10:12pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

If such a comet were to crash into the Earth, its effects would be felt everywhere. A year without a summer would be a likely result.

That's why divine intervention is necessary to confine the damage to the new Ottomon Empire, assuming it hasn't taken over the whole world by then.
/

28 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:10:19pm

re: #23 simoom

They're not doing this right, are they? The standard operating procedure for smears is that you keep a plausible deniability wall between the "dirty tricks" and the actual party...

That's getting a lot harder to do these days.

29 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:14:43pm

re: #23 simoom

Aaaaand it's being promoted by the Alabama Republican Party Chairman:

[Link: blog.al.com...]

They're not doing this right, are they? The standard operating procedure for smears is that you keep a plausible deniability wall between the "dirty tricks" and the actual party...

Those gosh darn Republicans. They're so, moderate.

30 Ojoe  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:16:11pm

Actually Carter has a better claim to this via his timid response to the Iranian hostage crisis.

31 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:16:13pm

re: #22 Dark_Falcon

If such a comet were to crash into the Earth, its effects would be felt everywhere. A year without a summer would be a likely result.

I think an 11km rock smacking into the Earth would result in a bit more than that.

Think extinction event.

32 austin_blue  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:17:47pm

re: #2 reflections of a redneck

>>Note the President Barack Hussein Obama. Is Gohmert a TPer?

Oh, yeah.

>>I read Libya as Labia. I know it was a minor error, but my eyes need adjustment.

This a common happenstance.

>>Does this make me a janissary of Obama The Magnificent?

Only if you sell yourself as a Christian mercenary to the Heathen Turk.

re: #21 Kragar

>>Blonde hair, blue eyed Jesus is all the rage nowadays.

What? Are you inferring that baby Jesus wasn't an Aryan?!?! Blasphemy!

33 Kragar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:18:00pm

re: #31 reflections of a redneck

I think an 11km rock smacking into the Earth would result in a bit more than that.

Think extinction event.

And that is why we need to make sure the sheltering hand of God is there to protect us, so lets not mess things up by letting homosexuals marry, treating non-christians like human beings and regulating businesses in defiance of the Bible.
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34 MikeTheModerateDemocrat  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:20:33pm

Sometimes I think to myself, hey Mike, you're a fiscal conservative, there are republican and libertarian ideas with which you agree. You roll your eyes at some of the left wing shrillness. Are you best served in the democratic party?

Then I remember that there's no one in my party who's the batshit crazy equivalent of Bachmann or Gohmert.

35 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:20:48pm

Yahoo News has some heart-warming pictures of the Ansar al-Shariah militia base going up in flames. In a couple of shots it looks for all the world like the protesters are dancing in the streets as the compound burns to the ground.

36 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:21:38pm

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel

Yahoo News has some heart-warming pictures of the Ansar al-Shariah militia base going up in flames. In a couple shots it looks for all the world like the protesters are dancing in the streets as the compound burns to the ground.

They probably are. And I say, let them. They earned it.

37 Kragar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:22:22pm

Man, I actually drained out my entire sarcasm reserves. That has never happened to me before.

38 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:22:27pm

re: #32 austin_blue

>>Note the President Barack Hussein Obama. Is Gohmert a TPer?

Oh, yeah.

>>I read Libya as Labia. I know it was a minor error, but my eyes need adjustment.

This a common happenstance.

>>Does this make me a janissary of Obama The Magnificent?

Only if you sell yourself as a Christian mercenary to the Heathen Turk.

re: #21 Kragar

>>Blonde hair, blue eyed Jesus is all the rage nowadays.

What? Are you inferring that baby Jesus wasn't an Aryan?!?! Blasphemy!

Well, he wasn't, and people need to make their peace with that fact. Of course, at that time Germans and Nordics were still barbarians, while the Levant was already civilized.

39 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:22:46pm

re: #37 Kragar

Man, I actually drained out my entire sarcasm reserves. That has never happened to me before.

Channeling one's inner wingnut can take it out of you.

40 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:23:01pm

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel

Yahoo News has some heart-warming pictures of the Ansar al-Shariah militia base going up in flames. In a couple of shots it looks for all the world like the protesters are dancing in the streets as the compound burns to the ground.

Burn, Baby, Burn!

41 Kragar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:24:05pm

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

Burn, Baby, Burn!

42 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:26:36pm

re: #41 Kragar

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My first 45.
"All Along the Watchtower" was my second.

43 CriticalDragon1177  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:30:49pm

Charles Johnson

He's probably also have a hard time believing this, story you covered recently.

30,000 Pro-America Libyan Demonstrators Ransack Islamist Compound in Benghazi
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

44 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:42:26pm
45 wheat-dogg  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:45:56pm

History buff here had to learn about the Ottoman Empire.

An Anatolian leader Osman I started to absorb territories bordering the Byzantine Empire beginning in the early 14th century. By mid century, his son had control of the lands ringing Constantinople. A Byzantine counter-attack and several years of civil war among the Turks slowed down the Ottoman expansion. Finally, in 1453, Mehmed the Conqueror (aged 21) took Constantinople and turned the former Byzantine Empire into the Ottoman Empire. The rise of the Ottomans had taken about 130 years to this point.

By the 16th century, the Empire had become a major threat to Western Europe, pressing in from the east and south. The Battle of Vienna ended Ottoman expansion in 1683. It wasn't until 1922 that the Empire finally dissolved, about 600 years after Osman I started his expansion.

Somehow, I just don't see how Goober-mert finds any similarities between the Ottomans and today's Arab world. All the potential Osmans have been neutralized, as far as I know.

46 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:46:18pm

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47 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:46:57pm

re: #43 CriticalDragon1177

Charles Johnson

He's probably also have a hard time believing this, story you covered recently.

30,000 Pro-America Libyan Demonstrators Ransack Islamist Compound in Benghazi
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Digging deeper it would seem this is more about anti Saudi than pro US.

48 calochortus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:47:02pm

re: #45 wheatdogg

Facts are irrelevant. Muslims are scary. /

49 Kragar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:51:14pm
50 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:55:10pm

re: #46 Mr. Crankypants

That's why I prefer having Feline Overlords. They're mostly quiet and want you to leave them alone, unless they want food.

51 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:56:57pm

re: #48 calochortus

There are ~1.57 billion muslims on the planet. That is just shy of 1/4 of the population. If only 1% are radical that's a lot of nut cakes. Scary?

52 jaunte  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:57:02pm
Gohmert was born in Pittsburg, Texas. He received his B.A. from Texas A&M University in 1975. At A&M, he was a brigade commander of the Corps of Cadets and class president. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Gohmert is one example of why people who went to college in Austin will occasionally make jokes about Aggies.

53 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:57:02pm

re: #46 Mr. Crankypants

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Arf!

54 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:57:35pm

re: #52 jaunte

Gohmert is one example of why people who went to college in Austin will occasionally make jokes about Aggies.

So is Rick Perry.

55 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:58:03pm

Just decided what the whole Friday "tax return" dump reminds me of: Kerry's little stunt in '04 of letting a select few reporters take a closed door look at his service records, on the grounds that they couldn't take pictures or in any way reproduce what they'd seen. He likewise thought it would put the issue to rest, but all it did was ratchet up demands for him to release them, while adding fuel to the accusations that his records had been amended years after his discharge in order to cover up any hints of misconduct.

And that's what we've pretty much received from Willard today: A glimpse at his tax returns, with no assurances that they haven't been altered in any way, and the assumption that just a glance is all we need to end the discussion on the matter.

56 Kragar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:58:29pm

Mitt Romney: My Campaign ‘Doesn’t Need A Turnaround

From a transcript of the interview -- which was a preview of Romney's appearance on '60 Minutes' Sunday -- posted to the CBS website:

Scott Pelley: A lot of Republicans would like to know, a lot of your donors would like to know, how do you turn this thing around? You've got a little more than six weeks. What do you do?

Mitt Romney: Well, it doesn't need a turnaround. We've got a campaign which is tied with an incumbent president to the United States.

57 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:59:30pm

re: #56 Kragar

Mitt Romney: My Campaign ‘Doesn’t Need A Turnaround

Being tied in the polls with the guy who's the "worst president ever" is a strange thing to brag about.

58 sauceruney  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 7:59:34pm

The thing I don't get is if people like him are genuinely this stupid, or do they all get together and plan this outrageous shit?

59 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:02:02pm

I'm more worried about Sparta.

60 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:02:12pm

re: #58 chris joseph

The thing I don't get is if people like him are genuinely this stupid, or do they all get together and plan this outrageous shit?

A lot of Column A, and whole lot more of Column B.

I'm convinced that Gohmert is genuinely this stupid. Every time he opens his pie hole he derps, just like Joe Barton. At the same time, there are plenty of folks who get together and push this sort of outrageous bullshit to the morons that are just as dumb as Gohmert.

61 JamesWI  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:02:23pm

re: #57 Targetpractice

Being tied in the polls with the guy who's the "worst president ever" is a strange thing to brag about.

Being tied in A poll. As in singular, one - Gallup. Rasmussen's even got Obama +1 now. (And I'm sure before today, they probably ignored Gallup and only talked about Rasmussen).

Completely delusional. He probably thinks if he takes a few more quotes out of context, he'll be right back in it!

62 freetoken  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:02:30pm

Sugary Drinks Linked to Increased Genetic Risk of Obesity

Sugary soda may worsen the effect of genes that put people at risk for obesity, according to one of several studies reported today on how the drinks affect weight gain.

People genetically predisposed to obesity were more likely to gain weight from the beverages than those without the traits, according to the study, published today in a New England Journal of Medicine theme issue. Other research showed that switching to a diet soda from a sugary one may help kids control weight gain.

[...]

Regular consumption of sugary beverages linked to increased genetic risk of obesity

Researchers from Harvard School of Public Health have found that greater consumption of sugar-sweetened beverages (SSBs) is linked with a greater genetic susceptibility to high body mass index (BMI) and increased risk of obesity. The study reinforces the view that environmental and genetic factors may act together to shape obesity risk.

[...]

Here are the NEJM entries:

A Trial of Sugar-free or Sugar-Sweetened Beverages and Body Weight in Children


Sugar-Sweetened Beverages and Genetic Risk of Obesity

A Randomized Trial of Sugar-Sweetened Beverages and Adolescent Body Weight

Calories from Soft Drinks — Do They Matter?

I'm sure this is all just some notorious hoax being perpetrated and coordinated by Michelle Obama to force healthy food down our throats.

63 erik_t  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:03:06pm

re: #60 Lidane

I'm convinced that Gohmert is genuinely this stupid. Every time he opens his pie hole he derps, just like Joe Barton.

I don't want to sound more shallow than necessary, but sometimes the face sells it. You can just watch Gohmert or Barton talk and know that they're several synapses short of a dozen.

64 calochortus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:03:09pm

re: #51 Bob Dillon

There are ~1.57 billion muslims on the planet. That is just shy of 1/4 of the population. If only 1% are radical that's a lot of nut cakes. Scary?

Nut cakes in general are scary. Their religious preferences aren't relevant. Gohmert was obviously working on xenophobia if not Islamophobia.

65 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:03:10pm

re: #56 Kragar

Mitt Romney: My Campaign ‘Doesn’t Need A Turnaround

66 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:04:05pm

re: #65 Lidane

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So he tries to put the issue to rest, just adds more fuel to the fire instead.

What genius at his campaign HQ thought this was a good idea?

67 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:04:26pm

re: #55 Targetpractice

Don't get me started. Nam (civilian) Vet 66-70.

69 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:06:27pm

re: #61 JamesWI

Being tied in A poll. As in singular, one - Gallup. Rasmussen's even got Obama +1 now. (And I'm sure before today, they probably ignored Gallup and only talked about Rasmussen).

Completely delusional. He probably thinks if he takes a few more quotes out of context, he'll be right back in it!

Yeah, Nate Silver covered that the national as well as state polls and noted that Gallup, out of the four major national polls he follows, is showing the race tied again. Posited that Gallup overstated Obama's bounce and is now understating his position to compensate.

70 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:06:29pm

re: #68 calochortus

$7 million in income disappeared from Romney's 2011 taxes between Jan. and Sept of 2012.

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

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71 sauceruney  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:07:12pm

re: #60 Lidane

So in other words, he's a useful idiot being fed disinfo by more nefarious individuals.

72 Kragar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:07:20pm
73 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:07:36pm

re: #64 calochortus

Nut cakes in general are scary. Their religious preferences aren't relevant. Gohmert was obviously working on xenophobia if not Islamophobia.

True. But when easily offended and the numbers involved requires consideration in todays world.

75 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:07:54pm

re: #72 Kragar

OFF THE TABLE!!!

REMAIN CALM! ALL IS WELL!

76 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:08:57pm

So this happened today:

Apparently, Booker spoke in SA tonight.

77 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:09:57pm

re: #71 chris joseph

So in other words, he's a useful idiot being fed disinfo by more nefarious individuals.

Yeah, pretty much. Except he's a useful idiot that's been elected to Congress. That's a problem.

78 JamesWI  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:10:00pm

re: #74 Varek Raith

Fox's Bolling: Libya Attack Was "In Retaliation For Bin Laden Killing" And Obama's "Victory Lap"

Derp! We should never have killed any terrorists! We don't want any more terror attacks! Obama refuses to wave the white flag!

79 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:10:06pm

re: #45 wheatdogg

History buff here had to learn about the Ottoman Empire.

An Anatolian leader Osman I started to absorb territories bordering the Byzantine Empire beginning in the early 14th century. By mid century, his son had control of the lands ringing Constantinople. A Byzantine counter-attack and several years of civil war among the Turks slowed down the Ottoman expansion. Finally, in 1453, Mehmed the Conqueror (aged 21) took Constantinople and turned the former Byzantine Empire into the Ottoman Empire. The rise of the Ottomans had taken about 130 years to this point.

By the 16th century, the Empire had become a major threat to Western Europe, pressing in from the east and south. The Battle of Vienna ended Ottoman expansion in 1683. It wasn't until 1922 that the Empire finally dissolved, about 600 years after Osman I started his expansion.

Somehow, I just don't see how Goober-mert finds any similarities between the Ottomans and today's Arab world. All the potential Osmans have been neutralized, as far as I know.

Don't forget the Battle of Ankara in 1401. Amir Timur the Lame (known to the west as Tamerlane) defeated the Ottoman Sultan Bayazid I (otherwise called "The Thunderbolt") and left the Ottoman Empire in chaos. Bayazid died in captivity a year later and it was not until 1415 than the Ottoman Empire once again had an undisputed sultan. This leaderless period was called the Interregnum.

80 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:10:14pm

Shucks. If full disclosure were required by law for all our present and future political aspirants it would be much easier. Alas, dig we must.

81 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:10:33pm

re: #74 Varek Raith

Fox's Bolling: Libya Attack Was "In Retaliation For Bin Laden Killing" And Obama's "Victory Lap"

Yeah like a Republican president wouldn't have done the exact same thing Obama did when he got OBL. And besides some of the nutjobs were pissed that Obama didn't parade Bin Laden's corpse out in public. Pick a fucking narrative losers.

82 freetoken  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:11:40pm

re: #68 calochortus

$7 million in income disappeared from Romney's 2011 taxes between Jan. and Sept of 2012.

I notice in that story the author uses the nebulous "charity" to describe Mitt's "donations", much of which went as obligatory tithing to the Mormon church.

83 calochortus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:11:51pm

re: #70 Lidane

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along.

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Evidently money in various trust funds isn't included in his personal taxes, and he can shift the money around. I can't say I understand it, but it would seem to indicate that whatever he releases in the way of personal income tax information is pretty meaningless.

84 jaunte  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:12:20pm
85 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:13:34pm

re: #84 jaunte

Oh, the Breitbart babies were all over her today. It was funny.

The GOP circled the wagons around Mitt Romney only to turn the guns on each other.

86 calochortus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:14:24pm

re: #73 Bob Dillon

True. But when easily offended and the numbers involved requires consideration in todays world.

I don't think Muslims are uniquely thin-skinned. Any group of people with nothing but their "honor" to lose is going to be quick on the trigger. It applies to many fine, upstanding, Christian Americans as much as it does to other groups.

87 jaunte  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:14:30pm
88 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:16:35pm

re: #44 Dark_Falcon

Aww, except for this part

The giraffe later died of cardiac arrest after being returned to the Rinaldo Orfei Circus, ANSA said.

89 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:17:09pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

Geese DF, I had the pleasure of sharing the communal hot tub with a couple of retired professors - UC Ph.d's - tonight. You would have fit right in!

90 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:17:18pm

re: #46 Mr. Crankypants

I have a new neighbor, that isn't smart enough to train her dog....

92 jaunte  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:20:26pm

Take a look at that timeline.

93 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:20:27pm

re: #85 Lidane

Oh, the Breitbart babies were all over her today. It was funny.

The GOP circled the wagons around Mitt Romney only to turn the guns on each other.

And here we see a dramatic reenactment of today's events:

Image: ole5a.jpg

94 JamesWI  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:20:46pm
95 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:21:47pm

re: #86 calochortus

I don't think Muslims are uniquely thin-skinned. Any group of people with nothing but their "honor" to lose is going to be quick on the trigger. It applies to many fine, upstanding, Christian Americans as much as it does to other groups.

Granted, but in my experience the muslims are more prone to act in concert when directed by their political or local religious leaders.

96 Mocking Jay  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:24:38pm

So here in NY we had a guy at the Bronx Zoo jump into the tiger pen...

97 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:24:43pm

re: #77 Lidane

Yeah, pretty much. Except he's a useful idiot that's been elected to Congress. That's a problem.

"We get what we deserve". And boy, are we getting it!

98 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:24:56pm

re: #96 Mocking Jay

So here in NY we had a guy at the Bronx Zoo jump into the tiger pen...

Sheen?

99 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:25:45pm

re: #98 Varek Raith

Sheen?

Well, that's one way to get tiger blood.

100 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:27:21pm

re: #96 Mocking Jay

So here in NY we had a guy at the Bronx Zoo jump into the tiger pen...

Suicide attempt or 15 mins. of fame?

101 calochortus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:28:34pm

re: #95 Bob Dillon

Granted, but in my experience the muslims are more prone to act in concert when directed by their political or local religious leaders.

That's not a well supported thesis, IMHO, but you're welcome to your opinion.

102 Mocking Jay  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:28:47pm

re: #100 Bob Dillon

Suicide attempt or 15 mins. of fame?

My first thought was Apple Maps failure...

103 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:29:59pm

re: #93 Targetpractice

And here we see a dramatic reenactment of today's events:

Image: ole5a.jpg

Needs more Confederate flags. And Ayn Rand novels.

104 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:31:23pm

re: #100 Bob Dillon

Suicide attempt or 15 mins. of fame?

Apparently nobody knows, or at least the press doesn't know. Guy's still listed as of 3 hours ago in critical condition.

Hell of a way to try for a Darwin Award.

105 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:32:27pm

re: #101 calochortus

Not opinion. But my experience is quite limited to countries that are mostly muslim.

106 freetoken  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:32:39pm

Yes, the flag logo again. Not only is it anti-American, but it is also... SATANIC!!

Courtesy of Obama Campaign Raises New ‘Satanic Flag’

107 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:33:33pm

re: #102 Mocking Jay

My first thought was Apple Maps failure...

You almost owed me a new laptop. Heh.

108 Mocking Jay  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:34:03pm

re: #106 freetoken

What... what's up with all the turkeys?

109 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:34:50pm

re: #108 Mocking Jay

What... what's up with all the turkeys?

SATAN

110 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:35:00pm

re: #104 Targetpractice

Apparently nobody knows, or at least the press doesn't know. Guy's still listed as of 3 hours ago in critical condition.

Hell of a way to try for a Darwin Award.

Read about it earlier. Instructed to roll under a hot wire after the tiger backed off (fire extinguishers) ... and he did. Some survival instinct kicked in after reality set it.

111 Mocking Jay  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:36:23pm

re: #109 Varek Raith

SATAN

Satan turkeys?

112 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:36:45pm

re: #50 Lidane

That's why I prefer having Feline Overlords. They're mostly quiet and want you to leave them alone, unless they want food.

Or out. We have the whiniest feline on the face of the planet and when he wants out the whole house hears about it. Repeatedly. Until he gets what he wants.

113 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:36:53pm

re: #110 Bob Dillon

Read about it earlier. Instructed to roll under a hot wire after the tiger backed off (fire extinguishers) ... and he did. Some survival instinct kicked in after reality set it.

Yeah, but what motivated him to jump high enough to clear the fence in the first place is gonna be interesting to learn. My guess? Spider the size of a Buick in the seat next to him.

114 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:37:00pm

re: #111 Mocking Jay

Satan turkeys?

Probably.
Or lunch?

115 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:38:03pm

re: #88 Dancing along the light of day

Aww, except for this part

Yeah, that was sad. I imagine the animal was extremely stressed and giraffes have hearts that must work very hard to pump blood up their long necks. The circus and police should not have chased the giraffe, instead just getting people away from it till it calmed down. They can kick hard, but giraffes aren't aggressive like Cape Buffalo or hippos.

116 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:38:19pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

Yeah, but what motivated him to jump high enough to clear the fence in the first place is gonna be interesting to learn. My guess? Spider the size of a Buick in the seat next to him.

Heh, I can see that.
People tend to completely overreact when confronted with a spider.

117 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:38:43pm

re: #108 Mocking Jay

What... what's up with all the turkeys?

If you believe Crazy Pam's ranting, if there are turkeys around, it must be jihad.

118 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:39:23pm

re: #116 Varek Raith

Heh, I can see that.
People tend to completely overreact when confronted with a spider.

Me, it's cranked up to 11 by virtue of arachnophobia.

119 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:39:57pm

re: #108 Mocking Jay

What... what's up with all the turkeys?

We recently had a state sanctioned "thinning" of the wild turkey herds here. The resident geese (7/24/365 - not the "wild" ones) are next.

120 ozbloke  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:40:13pm

For your entertainment.
Yes this is the right wing of Australian politics.

Bernardi cancels London speech after bestiality remarks.

Liberal senator Cory Bernardi has pulled out of a speaking engagement in England after his controversial comments about same-sex marriage.

Senator Bernardi resigned as parliamentary secretary to Opposition Leader Tony Abbott after an outcry over his speech linking gay marriage to the social acceptance of sex with animals.

He flew to London two days ago and had been due to address the European Young Conservative Freedom Summit this weekend at Oxford University.

But it is understood Senator Bernardi has decided not to go because of concerns his attendance would be a distraction.

The British Conservative Party had earlier moved to distance itself from the comments, which they said did not reflect the views of prime minister David Cameron.

Mr Abbott has described the comments as "ill-disciplined" and has accepted Senator Bernardi's resignation, saying they were views he did not share.

More...

121 calochortus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:40:14pm

re: #105 Bob Dillon

I won't argue. My glass of wine is kicking in, and considering that I'm also a bit tired, I'm lucky I can still type. (I'm a cheap drunk.)

122 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:40:15pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

Me, it's cranked up to 11 by virtue of arachnophobia.

*Jots that down for future reference*
:evilgrin:

123 Mocking Jay  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:40:32pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

Me, it's cranked up to 11 by virtue of arachnophobia.

Pussy.

Of course, if faced with bees, wasps, or other stinging insects, I might very well be tempted to take my chances with the tiger.

124 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:42:54pm

re: #121 calochortus

I won't argue. My glass of wine is kicking in, and considering that I'm also a bit tired, I'm lucky I can still type. (I'm a cheap drunk.)

Until the backside. *Lifts wine glass*.

125 freetoken  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:43:15pm

Ex-gay survivor's tales of exorcism in middle England

After $30,000 for controversial conversion therapy, three attempts at exorcism and one failed marriage, Peterson Toscano finally resolved the conflict between his faith and sexuality - he was gay.

It took 17 years to accept it.

[...]

This issue will go on for many years, I expect.

126 calochortus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:43:53pm

re: #124 Bob Dillon

Cheers!

127 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:44:16pm

re: #123 Mocking Jay

Pussy.

Of course, if faced with bees, wasps, or other stinging insects, I might very well be tempted to take my chances with the tiger.

That's my sister. I've gotten used to bees mostly, still get a bit leery of wasps, and think anything bigger than a quarter should be killed with fire.

128 freetoken  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:44:53pm

And finally:


Chocolate can create same high as opium

Chocolate has an effect on the brain similar to opium, according to a study that found amazing comparisons between obese people and drug addicts.In the study, a natural brain chemical called enkephalin - an endorphin with similar properties to opium - surged as rats began to eat M&M chocolates.

[...]

I think I'll go have some Trader Joe's Dark with Almonds.

129 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:45:05pm
130 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:47:47pm

re: #128 freetoken

And finally:

Chocolate can create same high as opium

I think I'll go have some Trader Joe's Dark with Almonds.

What's it take? 50 lbs per dose? /

131 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:48:40pm

re: #128 freetoken

And finally:

Chocolate can create same high as opium

I think I'll go have some Trader Joe's Dark with Almonds.

AFK: Chocolate high.

132 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:50:01pm

re: #126 calochortus

Cheers!

May I offer: P.K.N.T. Cabernet Sauvignon 2009 - South American stuff ~$10 a bottle. Pretty good.

133 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:51:04pm

re: #129 Varek Raith

Image: gianthornet1.jpg

Those things are death to non-Japanese honeybees. Japanese honeybees have a defense that literally can cook a giant hornet alive, but even that fails 15% of the time. And when it fails the entire beehive is destroyed by hornets.

134 nines09  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:52:01pm

re: #106 freetoken

I think he fell and hit his head one too many times.

135 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:53:45pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

There is a Japanese Co. that sells hornet extract: [Link: www.vaam-energy.com...]

Interesting to say the least.

136 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:54:01pm

Mike Judge, the guy behind "Beavis & Butthead", "Office Space", and "Idiocracy" lived in the DFW, Texas area for a time, and understands the people of the area very, very well. As a life-long North Texas denizen, I can attest that the vision of suburban Texas that he presents in "King of the Hill" is breathtakingly accurate. I have known people who are exactly like Hank, Peggy, Boomhauer, Dale, Bill, and Hank's father. The only thing that KotH gets wrong is that the character "John Redcorn" is probably Hispanic in real life rather than Native American.

I mention that because Louis Gohmert is truly a King of the Hill character come to life. I'm not sure how KotH's Dale Gribble would respond to him. Dale believes every urban legend and conspiracy theory ever conceived. He's a climate change denier ("'Global warming', Hank! 'GLOBAL'!!"), a gun nut, sees the UN as a source of arcane malevolence in the world, and might be a "Sovereign Citizen".

Louis Gohmert spouts exactly the kind of nonsense Dale would latch onto.

137 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:56:25pm

re: #136 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Dale - I say let the world warm up...we'll grow oranges in Alaska.

Hank - Dale you giblet head, we live in Texas. It's already 110 in the summer, and if it gets one degree hotter I'm gonna kick your ass!

138 calochortus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:58:19pm

re: #132 Bob Dillon

I have made a note of it. Thanks.

139 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 8:58:38pm

re: #117 Lidane

If you believe Crazy Pam's ranting, if there are turkeys around, it must be jihad.

re: #137 Varek Raith

Dale's favorite website is either PrisonPlanet or FreeRepublic.

140 labman57  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:03:26pm

The degree of hyperbole in the conservative message is directly proportional to the degree of desperation felt among the Republican leadership with respect to their prospects in the Fall elections.

141 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:05:33pm

re: #140 labman57

Woe is us either way.

142 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:08:52pm

re: #139 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Dale's favorite website is either PrisonPlanet or FreeRepublic.

Dale's the guy who links to Infowars and PrisonPlanet on FreeRepublic. He's a total Alex Jones nutjob and would easily be a Luap Nor fanboy and a teabagger.

Boomhauer, OTOH, would be the guy who goes to music festivals to drink beer and pick up chicks.

143 jaunte  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:09:03pm

While cutting firefighters and firing teachers, John Kasich finds enough budget to give himself a $10,000 raise:
[Link: www.motherjones.com...]

144 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:09:21pm

You think it's a joke

145 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:10:31pm

Evening Honcos.

146 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:11:04pm

re: #145 Cannadian Club Akbar

Evening Honcos.

It's morning.
:P

147 austin_blue  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:12:12pm

re: #52 jaunte

Gohmert is one example of why people who went to college in Austin will occasionally make jokes about Aggies.

Occasionally?

Fine dining in College Station is the Dixie Chick or at the Golden Corral.

148 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:13:44pm

re: #143 jaunte

While cutting firefighters and firing teachers, John Kasich finds enough budget to give himself a $10,000 raise:
[Link: www.motherjones.com...]

Boehner: Romney hurting in Ohio because of Kasich's success

Heh.

149 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:14:43pm

re: #147 austin_blue

Occasionally?

Fine dining in College Station is the Dixie Chick or at the Golden Corral.

And fine dining in Waco is Bush's Chicken and Cici's Pizza. Haha.

150 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:17:38pm

re: #146 Varek Raith

It's morning.
:P

Shutty!!!

151 austin_blue  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:20:05pm

re: #149 Lidane

And fine dining in Waco is Bush's Chicken and Cici's Pizza. Haha.

Driving into Waco is 1956. Driving into College Station is 1962.

A more genteel time when the Darkies and the Meskins knew their place.

Really.

152 jaunte  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:20:19pm

re: #147 austin_blue

The fine dining I remember in Austin was the ice cream at Nothing Strikes Back.
[Link: www.cah.utexas.edu...]

153 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:23:33pm

re: #152 jaunte

The fine dining I remember in Austin was the ice cream at Nothing Strikes Back.

Compared to the Cajun restaurant It Might Bite.

154 simoom  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:24:25pm

re: #23 simoom

Some more on the movie's director:

[Link: www.rightwingwatch.org...]

In a National Press Club appearance this summer, Gilbert expanded on his theory, claiming that Obama and strategist David Axelrod were both “red diaper babies,” born of communist parents to carry on the cause; that Obama is pursuing Davis’s “dreams of a forced imposition of a classic Stalinist-Marxist agenda upon America at home and abroad”; and that Obama worked with ACORN to cause the subprime mortgage crisis as part of a plan to “use minorities and the poor to collapse capitalism.”

Apparently the movie also promotes that nasty smear on the President's mom that went around the RW-blogosphere a while back, where it was claimed she was a '50s nude pinup model based solely on claiming some sort of slight resemblance in photos.

Reputable higher-ups in the party really need to ask that state chairman to resign.

155 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:31:08pm

re: #137 Varek Raith

Dale - I say let the world warm up...we'll grow oranges in Alaska.

Hank - Dale you giblet head, we live in Texas. It's already 110 in the summer, and if it gets one degree hotter I'm gonna kick your ass!

Hank is a decent guy. Dale's mind is in flight from reality.

156 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:31:57pm

Sorry I've been sporadic in posting, but I've been dealing with a problematic program on my PC. Not Firefox this time.

157 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:46:46pm

re: #149 Lidane

And fine dining in Waco is Bush's Chicken and Cici's Pizza. Haha.

Interesting concept. The founder of Cici's is an associate of mine. From my understanding it is an establishment that provides quality food at good prices and does not represent itself a fine dining - just a money maker franchise. Nice to know that it is noted in any aspect. ;-)

158 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:47:50pm

Ya know, if you're drunk, please don't call a radio station. Your philosophy sucks. Now get me a 12 pack of tacos from Taco Bell. Stoopid people.

159 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:49:02pm
160 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:49:15pm

re: #8 bratwurst

I would be willing to wager this this goober couldn't find Libya on a map.

It's confusing that there is also a Tripoli in Lebanon. Cut him some slack.

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:50:50pm

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel

Yahoo News has some heart-warming pictures of the Ansar al-Shariah militia base going up in flames. In a couple of shots it looks for all the world like the protesters are dancing in the streets as the compound burns to the ground.

Libyans are fucking insane. Making them angry is a bad idea, even if you're also Libyan.

162 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:50:58pm

re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist

It's confusing that there is also a Tripoli in Lebanon. Cut him some slack.

Tripoli is in a song. Get with it!!

163 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:53:34pm

M'kay. Outtie.

164 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:54:36pm

re: #45 wheatdogg

History buff here had to learn about the Ottoman Empire.

An Anatolian leader Osman I started to absorb territories bordering the Byzantine Empire beginning in the early 14th century. By mid century, his son had control of the lands ringing Constantinople. A Byzantine counter-attack and several years of civil war among the Turks slowed down the Ottoman expansion. Finally, in 1453, Mehmed the Conqueror (aged 21) took Constantinople and turned the former Byzantine Empire into the Ottoman Empire. The rise of the Ottomans had taken about 130 years to this point.

By the 16th century, the Empire had become a major threat to Western Europe, pressing in from the east and south. The Battle of Vienna ended Ottoman expansion in 1683. It wasn't until 1922 that the Empire finally dissolved, about 600 years after Osman I started his expansion.

Somehow, I just don't see how Goober-mert finds any similarities between the Ottomans and today's Arab world. All the potential Osmans have been neutralized, as far as I know.

I just don't understand how the Ottomans became the poster children for aggressive Islam. Yes, they were Muslims, and yes, they conquered a lot of shit. That's like saying the British Empire was a Christian attempt to take over the world, though. The Ottomans wanted POWER, LAND, and STUFF. Spreading Islam was maybe a ninth or tenth thought behind that.

165 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:58:27pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

Don't forget the Battle of Ankara in 1401. Amir Timur the Lame (known to the west as Tamerlane) defeated the Ottoman Sultan Bayazid I (otherwise called "The Thunderbolt") and left the Ottoman Empire in chaos. Bayazid died in captivity a year later and it was not until 1415 than the Ottoman Empire once again had an undisputed sultan. This leaderless period was called the Interregnum.

I've just got a soft spot for the Ottomans because they took in so many of the Jews of Spain after 1492. (Bayezid II was rather dismissive of the idiots who'd kicked all of these economically useful people his way, and in fact went out of his way to recruit wealthy Sephardim who'd scattered to other locations in Europe. Went to a LOT of trouble to get Gracia Nasi and her family to relocate.)

166 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:58:40pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

Sorry I've been sporadic in posting, but I've been dealing with a problematic program on my PC. Not Firefox this time.

Reformat fixes everything!

167 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 9:59:04pm

re: #88 Dancing along the light of day

Aww, except for this part

They just said that to cover up for the fact that you escaped!

168 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:00:06pm

re: #96 Mocking Jay

So here in NY we had a guy at the Bronx Zoo jump into the tiger pen...

Here in SF, we had a tiger jump out of the pen and go after a couple of guy a few years ago. Christmas Day. Killed one of them. They ended up having to shoot the tiger. Everyone was very freaked out.

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:03:28pm

re: #168 SanFranciscoZionist

Here in SF, we had a tiger jump out of the pen and go after a couple of guy a few years ago. Christmas Day. Killed one of them. They ended up having to shoot the tiger. Everyone was very freaked out.

SFPD Northern Station did not come loaded for tiger. One officer reported later that he emptied his sidearm directly into her chest and she gave him a look that he described as "Are you kidding me?" and kept coming. They had to take cover in their car.

170 wheat-dogg  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:05:06pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

I considered adding that, but was trying for brevity.

171 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:08:28pm

From the No Shit, Really? files:

172 blueraven  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:08:56pm

It is deeply disturbing that we have so many nuts in congress

Bachmann
Gomert
Inhoff
Allen West
Joe Walsh

These are just a few off the top of my head. I know there are many more.

173 blueraven  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:10:09pm

re: #171 Lidane

From the No Shit, Really? files:

[Embedded content]

If they lose about 20 house seats, he may have to re-think that position.

174 Lidane  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:12:08pm

re: #173 blueraven

If they lose about 20 house seats, he may have to re-think that position.

If they lose 20 House seats, he'll have bigger problems, like a challenge for the Speakership.

175 Digital Display  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:16:03pm

Good Evening Lizards. Today was my Birthday and the Moose lodge threw me a big party tonight..Free beer and food for me and they did Karaoke.
I had a blast and danced with all the ladies tonight. God I love these people and will miss them greatly when I move away. Yes I'm buzzed but it so hard telling them goodby as the time closes in.
Happy Birthday Hoopster!

176 wheat-dogg  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:19:32pm

re: #165 SanFranciscoZionist

The Eastern Orthodox were also more willing to live with Ottoman Muslims than the largely Roman Catholic Western Europeans. Bit o' bad blood there.

177 ozbloke  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:20:59pm

re: #175 Digital Display

Good Evening Lizards. Today was my Birthday and the Moose lodge threw me a big party tonight..Free beer and food for me and they did Karaoke.
I had a blast and danced with all the ladies tonight. God I love these people and will miss them greatly when I move away. Yes I'm buzzed but it so hard telling them goodby as the time closes in.
Happy Birthday Hoopster!

Happy Birthday Hoopster!!!

178 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:23:16pm

re: #175 Digital Display

Happy Birthday, you! 29 AGAIN???
Many, many hugs!

179 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:28:03pm

re: #164 SanFranciscoZionist

I just don't understand how the Ottomans became the poster children for aggressive Islam. Yes, they were Muslims, and yes, they conquered a lot of shit. That's like saying the British Empire was a Christian attempt to take over the world, though. The Ottomans wanted POWER, LAND, and STUFF. Spreading Islam was maybe a ninth or tenth thought behind that.

The thing is that is was the Ottomans who threatened Europe. They were the one's who'd besieged Vienna under Suleiman the Lawgiver (this was in the 1540's, and was the first Ottoman siege of Vienna, it ended in the Ottoman army withdrawing in good order but not having taken the city), whose fleets had raided Italy more than once, and who actively abused their power of taxation to enslave and then forcibly convert Christian boys for service in their Janissary Corps. They were also large and organized. That's why they came to be seen as the main Islamic threat.

180 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:31:34pm

President's Signature On Board Curiosity

This view of Curiosity's deck shows a plaque bearing several signatures of US officials, including that of President Obama and Vice President Biden. The image was taken by the rover's Mars Hand Lens Imager (MAHLI) during the rover's 44th Martian day, or sol, on Mars (Sept. 19, 2012). The plaque is located on the front left side of the rover's deck.

181 Digital Display  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:32:22pm

re: #178 Dancing along the light of day

Happy Birthday, you! 29 AGAIN???
Many, many hugs!

Hi You! Hope you are well. We'll need to chat on the phone soon to let you know my new address and time table. I'm going to a big dance Sat. night. The theme is your college..So I'll be wearing my colors proudly.
Then I'll need to recover for a while and do some packing. I'm pretty jacked up about the move to the middle of nowhere. They don't even deliver mail there! I have to get a PO box in town.
Green acres is the place for me.

182 Sophist, Gingham Style  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:39:50pm

re: #154 simoom

Reputable higher-ups in the party really need to ask that state chairman to resign.

Couldn't you pin your hopes on something more likely? Maybe a unicorn or something?

183 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:45:37pm

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

The thing is that is was the Ottomans who threatened Europe. They were the one's who'd besieged Vienna under Suleiman the Lawgiver (this was in the 1540's, and was the first Ottoman siege of Vienna, it ended in the Ottoman army withdrawing in good order but not having taken the city), whose fleets had raided Italy more than once, and who actively abused their power of taxation to enslave and then forcibly convert Christian boys for service in their Janissary Corps. They were also large and organized. That's why they came to be seen as the main Islamic threat.

All true. They were not saints to put it mildly, and they took a ton of land in Europe. But I'm not even talking about central/Eastern Europe, where there is a cultural tradition around those years, I'm talking about Americans who probably didn't even the hell hear about the Ottoman Empire until last week, and have decided somehow that it was a giant Islamist enterprise on the basis of, well, Muslims.

184 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:46:03pm

re: #172 blueraven

It is deeply disturbing that we have so many nuts in congress

Bachmann
Gomert
Inhoff
Allen West
Joe Walsh

These are just a few off the top of my head. I know there are many more.

Add Pete Stark and Maxine Waters to the list.

185 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:52:56pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

How Maxine got a pass should be a heads up to us all but it won't.

186 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:55:04pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

Add Pete Stark and Maxine Waters to the list.

Go back to the Roman era. Same song different tune and actors.

187 darthstar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:55:08pm

re: #171 Lidane

From the No Shit, Really? files:

[Embedded content]

Shorter Boehner: If Romney doesn't win, we'll do all we can to destroy America.

Fuck that orange motherfucker.

188 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:55:42pm

re: #185 Bob Dillon

How Maxine got a pass should be a heads up to us all but it won't.

He mentioned there were many more. GOP nuts tend to be more visible right now, but the Democratic nuts have not gone away. i felt it best to list a couple of them as a reminder that both parties have congressional crazies.

189 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:55:50pm

re: #181 Digital Display

smooches! You have my number! Anytime, sailor!

190 darthstar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:56:51pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

Add Pete Stark and Maxine Waters to the list.

Pete Stark's just an honest athiest. Just because he doesn't believe in fairy tales you think he's a nut? That's fucking stupid. And Maxine Waters is black...okay, and she's a woman...yeah...and she doesn't take shit from conservatives.

191 darthstar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:58:17pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

He mentioned there were many more. GOP nuts tend to be more visible right now, but the Democratic nuts have not gone away. i felt it best to list a couple of them as a reminder that both parties have congressional crazies.

As the Magical Balance Fairy spins closer and closer to the bug zapper.

192 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:59:34pm

Tea Party Caucus:

Sandy Adams, Florida
Robert Aderholt, Alabama
Todd Akin, Missouri
Rodney Alexander, Louisiana
Michele Bachmann, Minnesota, Chair
Roscoe Bartlett, Maryland
Joe Barton, Texas
Gus Bilirakis, Florida
Rob Bishop, Utah
Diane Black, Tennessee
Michael C. Burgess, Texas
Paul Broun, Georgia
Dan Burton, Indiana
John Carter, Texas
Bill Cassidy, Louisiana
Howard Coble, North Carolina
Mike Coffman, Colorado
Ander Crenshaw, Florida
John Culberson, Texas
Jeff Duncan, South Carolina
Blake Farenthold, Texas
Stephen Fincher, Tennessee
John Fleming, Louisiana
Trent Franks, Arizona
Phil Gingrey, Georgia
Louie Gohmert, Texas
Vicky Hartzler, Missouri
Wally Herger, California
Tim Huelskamp, Kansas
Lynn Jenkins, Kansas
Steve King, Iowa
Doug Lamborn, Colorado
Jeff Landry, Louisiana
Blaine Luetkemeyer, Missouri
Kenny Marchant, Texas
Tom McClintock, California
David McKinley, West Virginia
Gary Miller, California
Mick Mulvaney, South Carolina
Randy Neugebauer, Texas
Rich Nugent, Florida
Steven Palazzo, Mississippi
Steve Pearce, New Mexico
Mike Pence, Indiana
Ted Poe, Texas
Tom Price, Georgia
Denny Rehberg, Montana
Phil Roe, Tennessee
Dennis Ross, Florida
Ed Royce, California
Steve Scalise, Louisiana
Tim Scott, South Carolina
Pete Sessions, Texas
Adrian Smith, Nebraska
Lamar Smith, Texas
Cliff Stearns, Florida
Tim Walberg, Michigan
Joe Walsh, Illinois
Allen West, Florida
Lynn Westmoreland, Georgia
Joe Wilson, South Carolina

193 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 10:59:47pm

I rest my case.

194 darthstar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:00:25pm

re: #192 Gus

Tea Party Caucus:

Sandy Adams, Florida
Robert Aderholt, Alabama
Todd Akin, Missouri
Rodney Alexander, Louisiana
Michele Bachmann, Minnesota, Chair
Roscoe Bartlett, Maryland
Joe Barton, Texas
Gus Bilirakis, Florida
Rob Bishop, Utah
Diane Black, Tennessee
Michael C. Burgess, Texas
Paul Broun, Georgia
Dan Burton, Indiana
John Carter, Texas
Bill Cassidy, Louisiana
Howard Coble, North Carolina
Mike Coffman, Colorado
Ander Crenshaw, Florida
John Culberson, Texas
Jeff Duncan, South Carolina
Blake Farenthold, Texas
Stephen Fincher, Tennessee
John Fleming, Louisiana
Trent Franks, Arizona
Phil Gingrey, Georgia
Louie Gohmert, Texas
Vicky Hartzler, Missouri
Wally Herger, California
Tim Huelskamp, Kansas
Lynn Jenkins, Kansas
Steve King, Iowa
Doug Lamborn, Colorado
Jeff Landry, Louisiana
Blaine Luetkemeyer, Missouri
Kenny Marchant, Texas
Tom McClintock, California
David McKinley, West Virginia
Gary Miller, California
Mick Mulvaney, South Carolina
Randy Neugebauer, Texas
Rich Nugent, Florida
Steven Palazzo, Mississippi
Steve Pearce, New Mexico
Mike Pence, Indiana
Ted Poe, Texas
Tom Price, Georgia
Denny Rehberg, Montana
Phil Roe, Tennessee
Dennis Ross, Florida
Ed Royce, California
Steve Scalise, Louisiana
Tim Scott, South Carolina
Pete Sessions, Texas
Adrian Smith, Nebraska
Lamar Smith, Texas
Cliff Stearns, Florida
Tim Walberg, Michigan
Joe Walsh, Illinois
Allen West, Florida
Lynn Westmoreland, Georgia
Joe Wilson, South Carolina

BUT DENNIS KUCINICH!!!

195 darthstar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:03:27pm

CINDY SHEEHAN!!!

(never mind that she's not an elected official...)

SEAN PENN! JESUS! and there's more!

196 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:04:28pm

Yeesh. Looking at that list. That's a whole lot of crazy.

197 darthstar  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:05:23pm

re: #196 Gus

Yeesh. Looking at that list. That's a whole lot of crazy.

If I was a magical balance fairy, I'd be flying the wrong way down the freeway looking for a clean windshield.

198 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:08:42pm

re: #181 Digital Display

Hey, your mail still good? Lots new here.

199 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:09:32pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

We get what we deserve - and the lists that follow your post indicate.

200 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:13:23pm

re: #199 Bob Dillon

We get what we deserve - and the lists that follow your post indicate.

Glad you said that. I admit there are some whacky Dems but the Republicans have become world class in that department. Since the Tea Party victories in 2010 it has become even more crazy. Keep in mind that many there have been in congress since before 2010. It was Dick Armey who said "they may be crazy but their our crazies." Well, that was back in 2009 and they continue to tack this line of crazy and not showing any signs of individualism within their ranks as this "jobs for veterans" vote showed them ALL voting no. Not even one that broke rank. That's pretty wild.

201 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:13:48pm

Back in the Mac II e days there was a software piece that offered political supremacy in your specific area. I thot about it and rejected it. Seems others did not.

202 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:17:02pm

re: #198 Dancing along the light of day

Hey, your mail still good? Lots new here.

Yeah, it still works.

203 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:17:46pm

And I'm by no means a one-party rule kind of guy. Far from it. I think having a healthy opposition is a good thing but that's not the case anymore. I wish the GOP would have more people like David Frum or Alan Simpson. I didn't agree with them but even "establishment" Republicans were preferable.

204 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:20:43pm

So, on Wednesday I posted a comment on Youtube on a nutty Republican National Trust add attacking Jim Graves, who is running against Michelle Bachmann for her House seat. Here's the ad:

My Comment:

Deception and distortion. Bachmann was attacking an aide of Hillary Clinton by claiming she was tied to the Brotherhood as well as claiming the MB had infiltrated the government. She offered no proof of this, so the point made by Mr. Graves stands.

And the reply I just found out about:

You F+cking LIAR! Bachmann did not attack anyone, nor did she blame Huma Abedin. Bachman only ask if Abedin was correctly vetted and she still hasnt got an answer! Why? because that muslim bitch was NOT vetted, so fuck you, u lying mook!

SupernaturalXtreme in reply to thunderK5 2 days ago

Hateful crazies, that's Bachmann's support base.

205 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:20:52pm

Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, Jon Huntsman... Right now though they're all trying to out Tea Party each other.

206 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:21:57pm

“The Republican Party needs to re-establish its philosophy of the big tent with principles. The philosophy you hear from time to time, which is unfortunate, is one of exclusion rather than inclusion.”
-- Dan Quayle

!

207 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:25:33pm

re: #206 Gus

“The Republican Party needs to re-establish its philosophy of the big tent with principles. The philosophy you hear from time to time, which is unfortunate, is one of exclusion rather than inclusion.”
-- Dan Quayle

!

When Dan "Potatoe" Quayle makes a cogent statement like that, that's saying something.

/for the record, I never really thought Quayle was Caribou Barbie dumb, but he's had his share of gaffes and mistakes over the years

208 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:25:35pm

re: #200 Gus

My family are old hard core republicans. From the 30s and 40s and on. My cousin was the only Republican in the Democratic administration of the 60's. JFK and LBJ. Both sides are beyond belief now and we are all going to pay.

209 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:26:06pm

I remember writing to my Republican congressman in NJ about environmental issues back around 1980ish. I even met with him to talk about those issues in a trailer he had set up in the middle of a mall parking lot.

210 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:29:09pm

re: #207 Gert Fröbe

When Dan "Potatoe" Quayle makes a cogent statement like that, that's saying something.

/for the record, I never really thought Quayle was Caribou Barbie dumb, but he's had his share of gaffe and mistakes over the years

Gaffes yes, but he turned out to be a pretty capable venture capitalist himself. Not in Mitt Romney's league, but still a strong success. But some Arizona wingnuts hold his being part of the "Bush Faction" of the GOP against him and they just voted his son out of his house seat in that state's congressional primaries.

211 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:29:22pm

re: #207 Gert Fröbe

When Dan "Potatoe" Quayle makes a cogent statement like that, that's saying something.

/for the record, I never really thought Quayle was Caribou Barbie dumb, but he's had his share of gaffe and mistakes over the years

I used to defend him about that potato thing back when I was a hard corps Dem. It's that Catholic gene of mine that kicks in from time to time. I don't know what changed. I think the Republicans of old believed more in process instead of the anarchy which is common in more libertarian ideologies.

212 freetoken  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:29:36pm

re: #207 Gert Fröbe

He's "awkward", like the gangly teenage at his first prom.

213 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:29:54pm

re: #208 Bob Dillon

My family are old hard core republicans. From the 30s and 40s and on. My cousin was the only Republican in the Democratic administration of the 60's. JFK and LBJ. Both sides are beyond belief now and we are all going to pay.

What's this "both sides are beyond belief" MBF crap? The Democrats have their moonbats, but it's absolutely, positively incomparable to the wingnuts that are in the driver's seat of the TPGOP.

Let me ask you this: when was the last time that a moonbat (or group of them) proposed legislation or pushed for something to get passed in Congress that was really off the scale to most people and it got passed into law?

214 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:30:46pm

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

Gaffes yes, but he turned out to be a pretty capable venture capitalist himself. Not in Mitt Romney's league, but still a strong success. But some Arizona wingnuts hold his being part of the "Bush Faction" of the GOP against him and they just voted his son out of his house seat in that state's congressional primaries.

Really? Quayle is out already? Damn, that's not a good sign.

215 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:32:01pm

Glenn Beck used to brainwash his audience though. I heard him call W a progressive several times. That's crazy.

216 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:33:31pm
217 Bob Dillon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:33:31pm

re: #213 Gert Fröbe

Pooooooo ba. Doesn't matter. Wrong question.

219 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:37:23pm

re: #211 Gus

I used to defend him about that potato thing back when I was a hard corps Dem. It's that Catholic gene of mine that kicks in from time to time. I don't know what changed. I think the Republicans of old believed more in process instead of the anarchy which is common in more libertarian ideologies.

The thing is that the GOP was revived sooner than it otherwise would have been in 2010 after the "conservative media" driven backlash against Obama started using the Republican Party as the device intended to stop Obama. But that left the media people with outsized influence within the party and their preference has always been for confrontation (which generates ratings).

220 freetoken  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:37:52pm

The BBC has a current program China on Four Wheels currently going - they've done other "... on Four Wheels" programs before, notably about India - that is the kind of program we just don't get on American TV.

While I'm somewhat critical of the shallowness, or perhaps I should say absence, of the analysis the presenters provide, it's still worth a gander. Someone has uploaded the first part to youtube:

During the primaries some of the Republican candidates (including Romney) have tried to play the China card, though I'm not sure it resonated very broadly. Yet China remains out there to play the bad guy for the Republicans (or any demagogue) at the opportune moment.

However, the complexities of this world don't fit the simple American-politics talking points, and I fear our inability to bring a bigger picture into our elections will really hurt us in coming years.

221 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:38:59pm

re: #218 dragonath

The Senate passed a continuing resolution, 62-30, early on Saturday morning to keep the government funded through March

That was already agreed to. Both parties had decided it was in their interests not to have a shutdown this fall.

222 dragonath  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:39:59pm

Check this out:

Under the deal, the vote on cutting off debate and final passage on the CR was moved up, along with a vote on relaxing regulations for sportsmen and fishermen, in exchange for allowing Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) a vote on cutting off aid to Egypt, Libya and Pakistan. The deal also called for a vote on a measure urging "diplomatic and economic pressure" to deter Iran from developing nuclear weapons capability.
Senators handily turned back Paul's bill, 10-81.

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) led a coordinated series of speeches in opposition to Paul's proposal, decrying it as a misguided effort that would undermine U.S. policy in the Middle East.
Graham sponsored the Iran resolution, with a broad coalition of supporters in both parties. His resolution prevailed, 90-1. Paul was the only Senator to vote against the measure.

223 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:42:57pm

re: #217 Bob Dillon

Pooooooo ba. Doesn't matter. Wrong question.

OK, what is the right question then, seeing that you basically dismissed the one that I asked out-of hand?

One of these days, Bob, you and others like Dark will hopefully come to the realization that I did shortly after President Obama took office (probably about mid-late 2009): the current incarnation of the GOP is not the party that our fathers or grandfathers would have been a part of. It's become insular, mean, and outright xenophobic and bigoted in many places, a party that would just as soon stomp on you as look at you if you weren't the right color or gender or sexual orientation or didn't have enough money in your bank account.

The party of Lincoln is in the process of having its legacy (and its relevance in mainstream American politics) snuffed out by a bunch of know-nothings that hide behind the Bible, the resurgent Birchers, and Ayn Rand; it's as simple as that.

224 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:44:11pm

re: #218 dragonath

The Senate passed a continuing resolution, 62-30, early on Saturday morning to keep the government funded through March

Under the deal, the vote on cutting off debate and final passage on the CR was moved up, along with a vote on relaxing regulations for sportsmen and fishermen, in exchange for allowing Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) a vote on cutting off aid to Egypt, Libya and Pakistan. The deal also called for a vote on a measure urging "diplomatic and economic pressure" to deter Iran from developing nuclear weapons capability.

Senators handily turned back Paul's bill, 10-81.

"In no way should the United States government be sending money to governments who are not our ally, who blatantly do not respect our country, and who work to compromise the safety of our allies and citizens abroad," Paul said before the vote. "I am pleased that the Senate leadership has listened to my pleas for an end to this and have agreed to debate and vote on this pressing issue."

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) led a coordinated series of speeches in opposition to Paul's proposal, decrying it as a misguided effort that would undermine U.S. policy in the Middle East.

Graham sponsored the Iran resolution, with a broad coalition of supporters in both parties. His resolution prevailed, 90-1. Paul was the only Senator to vote against the measure.

"We know that Iran would create access for terrorists - access for them - to these nuclear weapons, making the Middle East a nuclear tinderbox," Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) said in supporting that measure. "We cannot trust this regime. We know that fact beyond any potential doubt."

Paul, on the other hand, said that the Graham resolution could have unforeseen consequences.

"I think a vote for this resolution is a vote for the concept of pre-emptive war. I know of no other way to interpret this resolution," Paul said.

Luap Dnar!

225 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:45:02pm

re: #222 dragonath

Check this out:

Great minds think alike. And it seems Rand Paul doesn't think at all.

226 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:45:46pm

re: #219 Dark_Falcon

The thing is that the GOP was revived sooner than it otherwise would have been in 2010 after the "conservative media" driven backlash against Obama started using the Republican Party as the device intended to stop Obama. But that left the media people with outsized influence within the party and their preference has always been for confrontation (which generates ratings).

Which is essentially what Ted Koppel communicated to Bill O'Reilly yesterday. He focused on Fox News and MSNBC. The latter I find difficult to see because they have low ratings and I've personally seen and been involved in throwing rocks at MSNBC. I'm not sure if this is correct though. It's a bit of a chicken and egg proposition. The media didn't create the Tea Party nor OWS -- which really isn't a Dem movement. I think the media see the opportunity in these movements and works with them to generate viewership and, revenue.

227 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:49:24pm

Angry Aryans Coming to Town

A week that started with the celebration of the Jewish New Year will evidently come to a close Saturday with a neo-Nazi rally converging a stone’s throw from the Capitol.

Morris Gulett, the self-described “world leader” of Aryan Nations tells HOH that 40-60 members of his segregationist society are expected to amass at Lincoln Park and then march to Union Square (opposite the Reflecting Pool) in order to protest the treatment of white farmers in post-apartheid South Africa.

The rally is being coordinated by Maryland-based separatist Mark Ledbetter and will feature guest speakers Monica Stone, a sympathetic South African national, and Ryan Mullins, a ranking member of Aryan Nations from Tennessee.

The post goes on to post the appropriate clip:

228 Gus  Fri, Sep 21, 2012 11:58:04pm

Manarchy!!!

229 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:00:40am

re: #226 Gus

Which is essentially what Ted Koppel communicated to Bill O'Reilly yesterday. He focused on Fox News and MSNBC. The latter I find difficult to see because they have low ratings and I've personally seen and been involved in throwing rocks at MSNBC. I'm not sure if this is correct though. It's a bit of a chicken and egg proposition. The media didn't create the Tea Party nor OWS -- which really isn't a Dem movement. I think the media see the opportunity in these movements and works with them to generate viewership and, revenue.

"Create" is likely the wrong word. Does "nurture" fit more accurately in your assessment?

230 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:02:36am

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

"Create" is likely the wrong word. Does "nurture" fit more accurately in your assessment?

Maintain, sustains... But that's always been true even in the print medium so it's nothing new. It's weird today but it's still better than our "ancient" history. The average Jane or Joe don't even see these things.

231 Kragar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:05:15am

It has begun, October 6 is the day of Reckoning. The new Chaos Codex is coming.

232 Kragar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:07:35am

LGF hiccup.

233 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:15:28am

re: #231 Kragar

It has begun, October 6 is the day of Reckoning. The new Chaos Codex is coming.

Also the day of the fall auction at Games Plus. The place will be a zoo.

Goodnight, all.

234 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:17:14am

Thinking about Andy Levy, Allahpundit, Greg Gutfeld. They're all cut from the same cloth. Opportunists to the bitter end.

235 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:18:49am

What's with the name Allahpundit anyway? That dope doesn't know his ass from his elbow about Islam. It's so 2003.

236 freetoken  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:24:17am

Monk:

237 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:24:29am

I remember back when I was in my wingnut stage. Even my fellow wingnuts thought Red Eye sucked.

238 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:24:58am

And they always have those Fox News women. Which is really pretty weird when you think about it. If you know what I mean.

239 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:25:14am

Fox News is like soft porn.

240 freetoken  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:27:47am

re: #239 Gus

Fox News is like soft porn.

Remember, Murdoch's most successful "news" product is Page 3.

241 AK-47%  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:32:36am

re: #91 Varek Raith

Australian deputy PM: 'Cranks and crazies' in GOP threaten US economy

From what I hear, this guy is only slightly left of the TP himself.

242 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:39:16am

re: #241 AK-47%

From what I hear, this guy is only slightly left of the TP himself.

They're all a bunch of homophobes down under. Even their atheist PM.

243 Kragar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:40:02am

Rick Perry Wants To Replace Planned Parenthood With Crisis Pregnancy Centers That Don’t Provide Health Services

When Texas Republicans cut off Planned Parenthood from the state’s Women’s Health Program — losing millions in federal funds and endangering access to health care for women in the program — Gov. Rick Perry (R) promised to keeping the program going with only state funds and without Planned Parenthood.

Now it’s clear what groups he wants to include in the program for low-income women instead: anti-abortion crisis pregnancy centers that do not provide the same women’s health services. In fact, the Women’s Health Program doesn’t even cover pregnant women, so there is no clear reason why crisis pregnancy centers should be included.

244 Amory Blaine  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:40:15am

re: #239 Gus

Fox News is like soft porn.

If you're a masochist.

245 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:40:48am
246 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:43:47am

Australia is still very white.

247 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:44:22am

You go into the outback and it's pretty much like KKK territory. Bunch of stupid rednecks.

248 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:44:37am

Mate.

249 freetoken  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:48:33am

re: #246 Gus

Yes, but as far as the recent surprising vote in their parliament over gay marriage, I suspect that the ruling party was deathly afraid of some unintended side-effects (mainly from the hard-core religious) in future Parliament votes on other issues.

Remember, the Anglosphere as a whole (Aus, NZ, Canada) have very active, hard core Christian minorities who chomp at the bit just as fervently as Barton and Fischer. Heck, Ken Ham is an example.

Australian politics is strange, anyway. It's a relatively small population on a real big island, they are in their consuming habits more "American" than Americans (e.g., they are energy hogs, waste incredible amounts of food, etc.). While many would be considered wildly "liberal" compared to the average American redneck, the Aussies have their own quirks. Probably because they started life as a penal colony or something.

250 Guanxi88  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:48:41am

Pity Harry Reid.

With clear proof that Romney paid his taxes - and then some - he's left with little to talk about now,

251 Guanxi88  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:49:50am

re: #249 freetoken

It's a relatively small population on a real big island, they are in their consuming habits more "American" than Americans (e.g., they are energy hogs, waste incredible amounts of food, etc.). While many would be considered wildly "liberal" compared to the average American redneck, the Aussies have their own quirks. Probably because they started life as a penal colony or something.

"Yanks in shackles," as a good amigo and drinking bddy of mine once and more gthan once described them.

252 Kragar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:50:07am

re: #250 Guanxi88

Pity Harry Reid.

With clear proof that Romney paid his taxes - and then some - he's left with little to talk about now,

Reid To Romney On Tax Returns: Not Good Enough

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid is no longer insinuating that Mitt Romney paid no federal taxes over the last 10 years. But he’s showing no contrition and continues to maul Romney for withholding tax returns from voters.

“The information released today reveals that Mitt Romney manipulated one of the only two years of tax returns he’s seen fit to show the American people - and then only to ‘conform’ with his public statements,” Reid said in an official response to the release of Romney’s 2011 return, and a brief summary of his tax payments over the last 20 years.

253 freetoken  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:50:55am

re: #250 Guanxi88

Romney only let out his previously announced 2011 taxes. The sticky questions (as far as Reid is concerned) are about earlier years.

However, even Romney's 2011 taxes are raising issues.

254 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:51:28am
255 Guanxi88  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:51:52am

re: #252 Kragar

If two decades' worth won't mollify the man, I doubt very much anything will. Still, if class-warfare and the stoking of resentment on the basis of wealth and income seems a winning strategy for him, Reid should pursue it.

256 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:52:18am

Gay marriage vote heavily defeated

PM Julia Gillard and Deputy PM Wayne Swan vote with other Labor frontbenchers and the Coalition to defeat a same-sex marriage bill by 42 to 98.

Read more: [Link: www.theage.com.au...]

257 Kragar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:52:42am

10 Questions Romney Should Answer About His Taxes

1. After the election, when the subject of your tax returns is outside of the public glare, will you file an amended tax return to claim your full deduction of charitable contributions? Was the tax rate you reported for other years similarly manipulated?

2. Why was your 2011 income $7 million lower than you estimated it to be in January? How does someone overestimate their income by $7 million?

3. Financial disclosures show that you have as much as $82 million in your tax-deferred Individual Retirement Account, despite the fact that tax rules limited contributions into such accounts to $30,000 per year. Did you lowball the value of the assets you put into your IRA, as tax experts suspect? And did you do the same with gifts into your sons’ trusts?

4. What was the purpose of your Swiss bank account and the myriad offshore entities shown on your return, based in countries like the Cayman Islands and Luxembourg, if not to avoid taxes?

5. Can you explain what one tax expert has called a “mysterious one-time infusion of foreign tax credits” in 2008?

6. You have not disclosed any foreign bank account reports (FBARs). Did you file all FBARs on all of your offshore accounts with the Treasury Department by the legal deadlines each year?

7. You claim to have paid an average tax rate of 20 percent over the last 20 years based on a flawed calculation. What was your real tax rate?

8. Your 14 percent tax rate –- not to mention the approximately 10 percent tax rate you would have paid had you not inflated it — is less than what many middle-class Americans pay. And you paid just 0.2% of your income in payroll taxes, while most Americans pay about 15%. Do you think that is fair?

9. Your tax returns show that the Marriott Corporation paid you $260,390 in directors’ fees in 2011. When you were the company’s audit committee chair in the 1990s, were you aware that the company was abusing a notorious illegal tax shelter?

10. You say you’ve made a “commitment to the public” that your tax rate should not be below 13 percent. If you believe that the richest Americans shouldn’t be paying an exceptionally low tax rate, why don’t you support President Obama’s “Buffett Rule”?

258 Guanxi88  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:54:53am

re: #257 Kragar

And in response to which, one, and only one, question need be asked:

"Senator Reid, given that there is now irrefutable proof that Mr. Romney has, in fact, paid his taxes, how long ought we to wait before you apologize for insinuating that he somehow broke the law and/or failed to pay taxes?"

259 AK-47%  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:55:41am

re: #250 Guanxi88

Pity Harry Reid.

With clear proof that Romney paid his taxes - and then some - he's left with little to talk about now,

The point being that Romney simply deferred his deductions, he can pick them back up again in 2013 if he loses.

260 Kragar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:56:19am

re: #258 Guanxi88

And in response to which, one, and only one, question need be asked:

"Senator Reid, given that there is now irrefutable proof that Mr. Romney has, in fact, paid his taxes, how long ought we to wait before you apologize for insinuating that he somehow broke the law and/or failed to pay taxes?"

And the rebuttal would in this case be "It's not Senator Reid asking the questions here."

261 Guanxi88  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:57:01am

re: #259 AK-47%

And if that should be legal, why shouldn't he? Unless, of course, one wishes to argue that he is obliged to pay a higher rate than others because he's been a successful investor.

262 Guanxi88  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:58:10am

re: #260 Kragar

sorry, but it has been reid asking these questions, or perhaps it's been an animatronic clone all these months in the senate, which would explain a great deal, i grant you, but Occham's Razor and all that.

263 freetoken  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:00:05am

re: #256 Gus

I suspect the ruling party did that in hopes or an actual deal that they could get some other things passed that would have been very tight votes.

Politics makes for strange bedfellows (who will not be allowed to marry.)

264 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:00:10am

re: #261 Guanxi88

And if that should be legal, why shouldn't he? Unless, of course, one wishes to argue that he is obliged to pay a higher rate than others because he's been a successful investor.

Sure it's legal. And Mittens paid less in taxes than many in the 47 percent he was bitching about in May. Fuck that douche.

265 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:01:35am

re: #263 freetoken

I suspect the ruling party did that in hopes or an actual deal that they could get some other things passed that would have been very tight votes.

Politics makes for strange bedfellows (who will not be allowed to marry.)

Oh I know. Atheism is not the answer.

266 Kragar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:01:42am

re: #264 Gus

*paid

267 freetoken  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:02:32am

re: #265 Gus

Oh I know. Atheism is not the answer.

Um... what was the question again?

268 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:02:43am

re: #266 Kragar

*paid

Fixed. It's the FNDT.

269 AK-47%  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:03:01am

He cannot even release his tax returns without shoting himself in the foot over it. That calls for a special talent, one that might well be wasted on something as irrelevant as the Presidency: I think he is destined for greater things...

270 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:03:55am

re: #267 freetoken

Um... what was the question again?

That people think we're going to vote in some asshole that identifies as a progressive atheist yet find out that they're just another bigot like the right wingers. I've seen the same shit here at LGF. Why just a couple of weeks ago no less.

271 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:04:26am

re: #267 freetoken

Um... what was the question again?

I hate it when people say "um" or "uh" BTW. It's condescending.

272 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:04:47am

Valley girl speak.

273 freetoken  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:08:46am

re: #272 Gus

I is in California.

274 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:09:14am

re: #273 freetoken

I is in California.

I know. Billions will die.

//

275 freetoken  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:10:10am

re: #270 Gus

Will, during my lifetime, a publicly professing "atheist" be elected POTUS?

276 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:10:39am

Wow. I don't even understand Australian liberal logic...

Openly gay Liberal Senator Dean Smith spoke against the bill, saying opinion in the gay community was divided on the issue. "By not agreeing to same sex marriage, I'm not choosing to endorse discrimination against my fellow gay and lesbian Australians, or to be disrespectful to their domestic relationships... instead for me, it's an honest acknowledgement of the special and unique characteristics of the union described as marriage," he said.

Read more: [Link: www.theage.com.au...]

277 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:12:35am

re: #275 freetoken

Will, during my lifetime, a publicly professing "atheist" be elected POTUS?

Shrug. I'd rather have a Christian that agrees with me on my side. Atheism means nothing to me. Geert Wilders is an atheist. Pat Condell is an atheist. Richard Dawkins is an atheist and if you follow him on Twitter you'll know he's kind of a giddy idiot on many occasions.

278 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:15:53am

It's like people that are really supportive of AGW theories. Yet turn out to be old fashioned sexists. Go figure.

279 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:18:42am

I also think PZ Myers is an idiot.

280 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:19:25am

So full of himself. Along with that Islam-Hater Thunderfoot. Losers all. Any questions?

281 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:19:45am

Manarchists.

282 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:20:33am

Sam Harris is pretty lame too. I mean seriously lame.

283 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:23:05am

The problem with the atheist community is that it's full of over the top egotistical assholes that want to replace some god with their egos.

284 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:27:15am
285 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:27:44am

Debate. No. Silence. On to Gaza again. Yawn.

286 ozbloke  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:29:43am

re: #242 Gus

Not sure what you mean there, support for gay marriage is the majority within the population, from memory above 60%

287 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:31:40am

re: #286 ozbloke

Not sure what you mean there, support for gay marriage is the majority within the population, from memory above 60%

Are we polling or working with final votes? Gillard was against it. As were the rest of the twirps. Just as much as the feeble support from Obama.

288 freetoken  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:32:25am

Unexpected from Joaquin Rodrigo:

289 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:32:32am

Don't want to upset the dumb fucking rednecks on gay marriage. They might not vote for your dumb ass.

290 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:33:48am

re: #288 freetoken

Unexpected from Joaquin Rodrigo:

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Why are runners so strange?

291 wheat-dogg  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:34:53am

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

Great minds think alike. And it seems Rand Paul doesn't think at all.

Rand thinks inside his own box.

292 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:35:50am

Lou Kenton
Lou Kenton, who has died aged 104, served with the International Brigades during the Spanish Civil War , and was said to have been the Brigades’ oldest surviving British member.

Between 1936 and 1939, as General Franco sought to overthrow the government of the Second Spanish Republic with the support of Hitler’s Germany and Mussolini’s Italy, volunteers from many countries, including thousands from Britain, signed up to fight for the anti-fascist cause and formed the International Brigades, united under the battle cry “No pasaran!” (“They shall not pass”). Ill-equipped, but fortified by idealism and courage, they fought alongside the Republican army against the rebels...

293 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:36:44am

I never expect anyone to join my cause. I remain alone.

294 researchok  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:37:03am

Morning, all

295 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:38:05am

I prefer it that way as opposed to joining the consumerist dopes AKA millennials idiots with their Apple products.

296 researchok  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:38:11am

re: #293 Gus

Pretty much.

//

Welcome to my world.

297 ozbloke  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:38:27am

re: #287 Gus

Are we polling or working with final votes? Gillard was against it. As were the rest of the twirps. Just as much as the feeble support from Obama.

I'm talking about the people of Australia, here is a recent pol

Almost 66% support it...

Re the current Labor Party being just left of the TP,
bing bong, uh ooh...
Pants on fire!

They are just right of centre, a few left and some more right, how ever they typically are just right of centre.

Our Liberal party are motivated by the nutter right, and slash and burn government spending when ever they get a chance.

Small Island? Nah, lots of land and 22 million people, most of which cling to the coast.

298 researchok  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:39:27am

re: #295 Gus

I just have a plain old cellphone.

Of the unsmart variety

299 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:39:58am

re: #297 ozbloke

I'm talking about the people of Australia, here is a recent pol

Almost 66% support it...

Re the current Labor Party being just left of the TP,
bing bong, uh ooh...
Pants on fire!

They are just right of centre, a few left and some more right, how ever they typically are just right of centre.

Our Liberal party are motivated by the nutter right, and slash and burn government spending when ever they get a chance.

Small Island? Nah, lots of land and 22 million people, most of which cling to the coast.

I'm talking about Wayne Swan babbling about the GOP. He's a freaking wingnut himself.

300 ozbloke  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:40:22am

re: #287 Gus

Are we polling or working with final votes? Gillard was against it. As were the rest of the twirps. Just as much as the feeble support from Obama.

Let me also say our Prime Minister recently introduced a Carbon Tax, and are currently trying to extend our universal health care with a National disability scheme.

301 wheat-dogg  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:41:08am

re: #280 Gus

So full of himself. Along with that Islam-Hater Thunderfoot. Losers all. Any questions?

I used to hang out at Myers blog when he shredded creationists and other anti-science loonies. Now it's most "Religion bad, yay atheism! 'Cause we're better!" I've pretty much stopped visiting there, even being an atheist myself.

Ed Brayton's place is still pretty good, but he seems to consistently be way behind the news cycle. LGF is a lot more up-to-date.

302 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:42:15am

re: #301 wheatdogg

I used to hang out at Myers blog when he shredded creationists and other anti-science loonies. Now it's most "Religion bad, yay atheism! 'Cause we're better!" I've pretty much stopped visiting there, even being an atheist myself.

Ed Brayton's place is still pretty good, but he seems to consistently be way behind the news cycle. LGF is a lot more up-to-date.

I like Brayton still. Myers is an idiot.

303 ozbloke  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:42:22am

re: #299 Gus

I'm talking about Wayne Swan babbling about the GOP. He's a freaking wingnut himself.

Well its Wayne Swan and his party who have introduced the carbon tax and the disability scheme, so I'll go with just right of centre.

You are entitled to your view.
Let me know when the wingnuts introduce a carbon tax.

304 researchok  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:43:05am

re: #288 freetoken

I feel more spiritual now.

I'm going to buy a robe and sandals today.

305 researchok  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:43:57am

re: #279 Gus

I also think PZ Myers is an idiot.

Yup- highly over rated

306 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:44:41am

re: #303 ozbloke

Well its Wayne Swan and his party who have introduced the carbon tax and the disability scheme, so I'll go with just right of centre.

You are entitled to your view.
Let me know when the wingnuts introduce a carbon tax.

Of course. Single issue voters. That always made sense. If he's for carbon tax "that means he's cool."

Sorry, but I think carbon taxes suck and hurt the poor. Elitist bullshit and all that.

307 ozbloke  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:45:55am

re: #299 Gus

I'm talking about Wayne Swan babbling about the GOP. He's a freaking wingnut himself.

Let me know also when your wingnuts do this.

Carbon tax compensation for families earning up to $150,000

Read more

TREASURER Wayne Swan says around 98 per cent of Australian households earning up to $150,000 a year will receive some assistance for the carbon tax, new modelling shows.

Labor's price on carbon emissions by the nation's biggest polluters will begin in seven days on July 1.

"Today I can share with you some new Treasury analysis that shows over 98 per cent of families with incomes up to $150,000 will receive assistance, with around three-quarters being covered for at least the full average price impact of the carbon price," Mr Swan said in his weekly economic note.

"In fact just over half of families with incomes up to $150,000 will get a buffer of at least 20 per cent over the expected price impact."

The federal government's carbon tax starts with a $23-a-tonne fixed price before transforming to an emissions trading scheme with a floating price in 2015.

Read more: [Link: www.news.com.au...]

308 researchok  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:45:56am

re: #283 Gus

I'd add the words phony piety for some.

Which is pretty funny (to me) at 4:45 in the AM

309 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:48:11am

re: #305 researchok

Yup- highly over rated

I stopped listening to ZOMGitsCriss. They're all a lost cause.

310 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:49:21am

re: #307 ozbloke

Looks like bullshit to me. Maybe I'm wrong.

311 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:50:01am

Like something out of 1984.

312 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:50:40am

At this point we'll all need an attorney.

313 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:51:58am

Sorry but I just want to live my life without the neurotic hysteria. Is that too much to ask for?

314 ozbloke  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:52:29am

re: #310 Gus

Looks like bullshit to me. Maybe I'm wrong.

More info required to comment...

We have a two party system, Nutter right or just to the right.
Not unlike you.

However, our left have given us universal health care.


Almost forgot, we have a national dental scheme which you know 'the wingnut' Swan, hes extending it.

Does any of this sound like your wingnuts?

315 researchok  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:53:37am

re: #313 Gus

Dreamer
//

316 ozbloke  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:54:26am

re: #310 Gus

Looks like bullshit to me. Maybe I'm wrong.

Its easy to tell bullshit.
You throw it in the air, if it comes down its cowshit.
If not, well then...

317 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:54:28am

re: #314 ozbloke

More info required to comment...

We have a two party system, Nutter right or just to the right.
Not unlike you.

However, our left have given us universal health care.

Almost forgot, we have a national dental scheme which you know 'the wingnut' Swan, hes extending it.

Does any of this sound like your wingnuts?

Well we don't have universal healthcare. Even with with the ACA. Or whatever the fuck it's called. I have to figure out how to pay 400 bucks a month or register with those cocksuckers, the IRS, and figure out what to do from there. I hate the IRS.

318 researchok  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:57:18am

re: #317 Gus

I hate the IRS.

LOL- you're in good company

319 ozbloke  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 1:58:09am

re: #317 Gus

Well we don't have universal healthcare. Even with with the ACA. Or whatever the fuck it's called. I have to figure out how to pay 400 bucks a month or register with those cocksuckers, the IRS, and figure out what to do from there. I hate the IRS.

I'm just hoping you re consider Swan = wingnut

There is very little that our left does that the nutter right doesn't scream about.

If you want to shit can Aussies for anything, have a go at us for our racism and our immigration policy.

320 researchok  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:00:10am

While I'm an advocate for smart health care reform, I do agree with the wise man who said, 'If you think health care is expensive now, wait till it's free'.

Lotta people will that lesson- some of whom can least afford it.

321 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:00:20am

re: #318 researchok

LOL- you're in good company

Fuck the individual mandate. That's all I can say. Let those fucking yuppies that love it pay for my coming 400 dollar a month bill.

322 engineer cat  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:02:41am

four beers and all's well

323 researchok  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:02:59am

re: #321 Gus

Fuck the individual mandate. That's all I can say. Let those fucking yuppies that love it pay for my coming 400 dollar a month bill.

The individual mandate will only a part of the healthcare costs.

In less than 3 years, your weekly paycheck will have another deduction.

324 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:04:00am

re: #323 researchok

The individual mandate will only a part of the healthcare costs.

In less than 3 years, your weekly paycheck will have another deduction.

Pfft. I'm already behind. Add it to the bill. Can't take blood from a stone.

325 researchok  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:04:33am

re: #322 engineer cat

If that is out of a six pack, bummer.

If it's out of a 12 pack, you'll be fine.

It it's out of a suitcase, you're walking with the angels.

326 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:08:40am

re: #325 researchok

If that is out of a six pack, bummer.

If it's out of a 12 pack, you'll be fine.

It it's out of a suitcase, you're walking with the angels.

Anyone see the instructions? I haven't seen the instructions. Should I call up the building department or register for the breast cancer run? //

327 researchok  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:09:51am

re: #326 Gus

LOLOL

328 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:10:05am

And you know the health insurance premiums won't budge.

329 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:11:38am

re: #327 researchok

LOLOL

Oops. Wait. I forgot. I'm white and privileged so it should really be easy for me. Forgot about that.

330 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:11:59am

Damn. It's soooooo easy.

331 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:13:29am

Reminds me of Greece with all those people not paying taxes yet demanding government services.

332 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:14:52am

Or whining about having to for over 13 bucks for a state ID. Damn, that's really hard. That about 1.3 of a six pack.

333 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:15:12am

Or three packs of cherry flavored cigars.

334 ozbloke  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:15:17am

re: #331 Gus

Reminds me of Greece with all those people not paying taxes yet demanding government services.

Are you referring to Australia there?

335 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:15:48am

re: #334 ozbloke

Are you referring to Australia there?

No. Greece. Poor babies.

336 ozbloke  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:18:05am

re: #331 Gus

Reminds me of Greece with all those people not paying taxes yet demanding government services.


re: #335 Gus

No. Greece. Poor babies.

Greece reminds you of Greece?
I might save the chat for another time, thanks for listening.

337 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:18:22am

While worshiping at the altar of Apple. Too much. Seriously. Liberals are just as screwed up as conservatives.

338 researchok  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:19:15am

re: #328 Gus

On a serious note, a friend of mine is a physician, husband a lawyer.

The feds are forcing electronic medical record software on her practice with threats of fines, fees, etc if she doesn't comply.

The approved vendors (you guessed it, mandated by Congress) are charging a small fortune for software that is nowhere near ready.

Insurance rates will go up. Take it to the bank.

As for record keeping, see this

CSC will cut up to 500 staff following NHS IT debacle

By Leo King | Computerworld UK | Published 13:06, 16 February 12
Embattled IT services firm CSC has confirmed it will cut up to 500 staff, a week after it booked a £943 million charge on its failed NHS IT programme.

CSC, which is facing up to cancelled projects, investor lawsuits and an aggressive fraud investigation, said the NHS-related staff cuts represented nearly a third of its entire UK healthcare employee count.

Last year, the government officially cancelled the £12.7 billion NHS National Programme for IT (NPfIT), aimed at improving healthcare through patient administration systems and electronic health records.

Guess what we're trying to do?

339 researchok  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:20:24am

re: #337 Gus

Don't say that too loudly.

340 ozbloke  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:23:57am

re: #338 researchok

Guess what we're trying to do?

The USSR was trying to conquer space in the 50's, guess what the USA said they were going to do in the early sixties.

Never underestimate American exceptional-ism.

341 researchok  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:25:10am

re: #340 ozbloke

Maybe down the road.

My friend says this software iteration is a disaster.

343 William of Orange  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:34:24am

Here comes the truth from Oz.

Now you know why I am, as a foreigner, in your court. I also think the same way Deputy prime minister Wayne Swan thinks.

344 ozbloke  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:39:39am

re: #341 researchok

Maybe down the road.

My friend says this software iteration is a disaster.

Here is Australia, we are just updating/upgrading our health care software, and yes it has some issues they will need to work through.

Apart from the technical, we have a decent proportion of 'older doctors', who have no interest in, and little knowledge of how to use a computer.
Who are also known to refuse to use it, adding to the time by duplicating records, doctors who won't use it, still hand write notes and forms, that they then have the nursing staff fill in.
This is the larger issue for us, and the doctors union the (AMA), is very powerful, and they have no reason to change their ways.

We have a little saying here, 'The AMA makes me sick'.

345 ozbloke  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:44:21am

re: #343 William of Orange

Here comes the truth from Oz.

Now you know why I am, as a foreigner, in your court. I also think the same way Deputy prime minister Wayne Swan thinks.

Is is our deputy Prime Minister, though he is also our Treasurer.
Not as left as I might like, but fuckin miles in front of the alternative.

346 researchok  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:47:30am

re: #344 ozbloke

I don't know enough about medicine down under, but my friend is absolutely computer savvy.

347 ozbloke  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:55:01am

re: #346 researchok

I don't know enough about medicine down under, but my friend is absolutely computer savvy.

The complaints we get here from the staff are to do with:
1. A lack of all fields when compared to forms, sometimes they have to use the 'Notes' field for fields missing on forms, which is a hassle, as not everybody looks at the notes fields.
2. The Notes field are not always searchable.
3. Some forms span pages and if you don't click through to the last page, you can't save. Some people don't get to the last page, but presume because they filled in some bits that the computer lost their info.
4. The 'menu' system are painful to navigate, and under stressful situations it can add to their frustrations.

That's my experience anyway.

348 Obdicut  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:57:30am

re: #337 Gus

While worshiping at the altar of Apple. Too much. Seriously. Liberals are just as screwed up as conservatives.

That's kind of dumb, Gus. There's plenty of liberals who don't like Apple. Like me, for example. If I'm a liberal.

And yeah, atheism isn't a safeguard against anything. Atheism just means you've managed to figure one thing out.

349 ozbloke  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 2:58:22am

re: #346 researchok

I don't know enough about medicine down under, but my friend is absolutely computer savvy.

Oh, sorry, and a lack of training the staff is a big issue.

A member of the software company comes round to the hossy, and usually has about 3 hours there, however not all staff are on shift, and not all staff can leave their stations to attend training... So there's that too.

350 AK-47%  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 5:00:09am

re: #346 researchok

I don't know enough about medicine down under, but my friend is absolutely computer savvy.

Do they still have flying doctors? I remember the TV show!

351 ozbloke  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 5:04:54am

re: #350 AK-47%

Do they still have flying doctors? I remember the TV show!

Yes we do, there's shit loads of open space and remote communities in Australia.

352 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 5:30:37am

Harry Reid is a little douche of a man. And good morning honcos.

353 AK-47%  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 5:39:48am

re: #352 Cannadian Club Akbar

Harry Reid is a little douche of a man. .

Ask him if he cares. He has almost no reputation left to damage.

354 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 5:42:01am

re: #353 AK-47%

Love the nic.:)

355 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 5:44:30am

re: #353 AK-47%

Ask him if he cares. He has almost no reputation left to damage.

Also, remember when people were getting after Romney for being a Mormon and Reid came to his defense? Yea, me neither.

356 AK-47%  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 5:46:25am

re: #355 Cannadian Club Akbar

Also, remember when people were getting after Romney for being a Mormon and Reid came to his defense? Yea, me neither.

My problems with Romney have almost nothing at all to do with his Mormonitude.

357 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 5:54:25am

re: #356 AK-47%

My problems with Romney have almost nothing at all to do with his Mormonitude.

Agreed. But my point was that Harry Reid is a little douchebag and someone could stand up and say "Mormons like to eat puppies" and Harry Reid wouldn't come to any kind of defense for Mittens or THEIR religion because he is a little partisan hack.

358 AK-47%  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 6:03:00am

re: #357 Cannadian Club Akbar

Harry Reid is a ... little partisan hack.

If that is his job, then he has done it very well. Flies are there to eat shit, Harry is there to harrass Mitt. (hey, that rhymes!)

359 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 6:12:05am

All right, enough about Reid. Wondering? Did Stinky pull out the bat on Buck. There was a person here who hoped he didn't. Not sure what happened.

360 Sionainn  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 6:23:27am

re: #357 Cannadian Club Akbar

Agreed. But my point was that Harry Reid is a little douchebag and someone could stand up and say "Mormons like to eat puppies" and Harry Reid wouldn't come to any kind of defense for Mittens or THEIR religion because he is a little partisan hack.

Harry Reid actually tries to do the right thing for all people of this country. If that's a "partisan hack," then I think he'd wear that badge proudly. I, for one, am glad that I voted for him.

361 AK-47%  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 6:27:37am

re: #360 Sionainn

Harry Reid actually tries to do the right thing for all people of this country. If that's a "partisan hack," then I think he's wear that badge proudly. I, for one, and glad that I voted for him.

And the fact that he is still in office makes him a walking monument to Tea Party ideological overreach.

362 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 6:34:08am

re: #350 AK-47%

Do they still have flying doctors? I remember the TV show!

Royal Flying Doctor Service of Australia

Quite a sizable operation too.

363 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 6:35:14am

re: #360 Sionainn

Harry Reid actually tries to do the right thing for all people of this country. If that's a "partisan hack," then I think he's wear that badge proudly. I, for one, am glad that I voted for him.

Yea. Harry cares about Harry. So you have no problem with him saying Mittens didn't pay taxes with no proof? People who post here can't get away with that bullshit. But he's a Dem. Let it ride....

364 AK-47%  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 6:37:20am

re: #363 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yea. Harry cares about Harry. So you have no problem with him saying Mittens didn't pay taxes with no proof? People who post here can't get away with that bullshit. But he's a Dem. Let it ride....

Harry is playing an active role in a political campaign: that of attack dog. He has done his job, he has caused Mitt to react, and in doing so, to step in it again.

365 Sionainn  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 6:37:40am

re: #363 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yea. Harry cares about Harry. So you have no problem with him saying Mittens didn't pay taxes with no proof? People who post here can't get away with that bullshit. But he's a Dem. Let it ride....

I care about how Harry Reid legislates. On the whole, I'm very pleased with how he votes.

Do I have a problem with Harry Reid pushing Romney on his taxes? Nope. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

366 Sionainn  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 6:40:29am

re: #364 AK-47%

Harry is playing an active role in a political campaign: that of attack dog. He has done his job, he has caused Mitt to react, and in doing so, to step in it again.

If it opens people's eyes to the train wreck that a Romney presidency would bring, then Reid is doing his job.

367 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 6:42:36am

re: #365 Sionainn

I care about how Harry Reid legislates. On the whole, I'm very pleased with how he votes.

Do I have a problem with Harry Reid pushing Romney on his taxes? Nope. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

But if I bring up Turbo Tax Timmy or Charlie "ways and mean committee" Rangle then it is me just being a big ol' meanie. Because they aren't running for President. Really? Take a side and don't be a partisan hack. (not saying you are, but people are)

368 Sionainn  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 6:44:56am

re: #367 Cannadian Club Akbar

But if I bring up Turbo Tax Timmy or Charlie "ways and mean committee" Rangle then it is me just being a big ol' meanie. Because they aren't running for President. Really? Take a side and don't be a partisan hack. (not saying you are, but people are)

It helps if you actually type someone's name, not some "clever" name because I have no clue who you are talking about. I think Rangel is an embarrassment.

369 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 6:46:23am

Local Republican pundit holds forth on the Obama flag:

Obama’s Creepy Dreams of Dictatorship

Obama’s dreams of becoming our dictator came to the forefront this past week with the emergence of an Obama flag loosely fashioned after the Flag of the United States of America. The situation then became really creepy with the urging of American citizens to begin to pledge their allegiance to Barack Obama.

Now, keep in mind that Dr. May is one of the moderates of the Lubbock GOP since he rejects birtherism, has not called for the abolition of public schools, and thinks we might have been on the right side in WW2.

370 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 6:46:31am

re: #368 Sionainn

It helps if you actually type someone's name, not some "clever" name because I have no clue who you are talking about. I think Rangel is an embarrassment.

Tim Geithner? Is that what you mean? The guy who runs the fed? Really? Is this your first day?

371 Sionainn  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 6:47:29am

re: #370 Cannadian Club Akbar

Tim Geithner? Is that what you mean? The guy who runs the fed? Really? Is this your first day?

Really. I had no clue who the fuck you were talking about.

372 Sionainn  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 6:48:37am

Well, this was fun.//

BBL.

373 bratwurst  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 6:49:01am

re: #361 AK-47%

And the fact that he is still in office makes him a walking monument to Tea Party ideological overreach.

This is the part of the equation that nobody to the right of Joe Lieberman likes to address. Had the GOP in his state (and uh...a few other states) not been hijacked by REAL NO FOOLING INSANE PEOPLE, Reid would be retired. Now he is an older man with four more years who will almost certainly continue as majority leader without a thing in the world to lose.

374 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 6:52:35am

re: #371 Sionainn

Really. I had no clue who the fuck you were talking about.

Well, Geithner didn't pay taxes but he is the head of people paying taxes. Fun times!!

375 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 6:57:50am

re: #374 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, Geithner didn't pay taxes but he is the head of people paying taxes. Fun times!!

[Link: www.forbes.com...]

Upon his nomination for secretary of the Department of the Treasury in 2008, it emerged that Tim Geithner had not paid $35,000 in self-employment taxes from 2001-2004, when he was working for the International Monetary Fund. Because he was an American citizen working for the international fund, Geithner was technically self-employed. Geithner had other tax problems as well, among them he had misdeducted the cost of his children's time at sleep-away camp, and he had temporarily employed a housekeeper whose work-authorized papers had expired.

Of course, as we know, these problems didn't hurt him too bad. Geithner was eventually confirmed for the job.
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

But, but, provide a linky!!!

376 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:02:57am

Out. See y'all in a bit.

377 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:08:03am

re: #259 AK-47%

The point being that Romney simply deferred his deductions, he can pick them back up again in 2013 if he loses.

So what? The deductions are legal, and Romney actually overpaid his taxes this year. And nearly 30% of what he made went to charity, more even than Obama (although at the 20% mark, Obama was also quite generous).

378 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:11:35am

re: #359 Cannadian Club Akbar

All right, enough about Reid. Wondering? Did Stinky pull out the bat on Buck. There was a person here who hoped he didn't. Not sure what happened.

And to let everyone know: No, Stinky did not ban Buck. I checked one of Buck's comments on a Page posted by the bot (Aigle) and he is still allowed to post here.

379 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:11:48am

re: #363 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yea. Harry cares about Harry. So you have no problem with him saying Mittens didn't pay taxes with no proof? People who post here can't get away with that bullshit. But he's a Dem. Let it ride....

Point 1: you're calling The Willard Mechanism "Mittens" while apparently defending his honor. That's amusing in various ways.

Point 2: For the record, I wish Harry Reid had half as much "brass" as Bernie Sanders or Barney Frank. Tea Partiers simply adore people who say ridiculously over-the-top things with no evidence. Barney & Bernie routinely said/say ridiculously over-the-top things with evidence. Selective, dodgy, nit-picking evidence sometimes, but evidence nonetheless. Fight fire with fire, as Metallica said on their only good album.

Point 3: [very slightly] More to the point, Reid's commentary on Rmoney's taxes was a hugely successful troll operation. I'd score it 3 out of 5 trollfaces, and 2 out of 4 Eduard Khils. In essence, he pulled a "Do you still beat your wife every night", and Romney bumbled headlong into it.

380 funky chicken  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:15:57am

re: #160 SanFranciscoZionist

It's confusing that there is also a Tripoli in Lebanon. Cut him some slack.

Yeah, but is there an Istanbul in Libya?

381 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:17:32am

re: #379 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Point 1: you're calling The Willard Mechanism "Mittens" while apparently defending his honor. That's amusing in various ways.

Point 2: For the record, I wish Harry Reid had half as much "brass" as Bernie Sanders or Barney Frank. Tea Partiers simply adore people who say ridiculously over-the-top things with no evidence. Barney & Bernie routinely said/say ridiculously over-the-top things with evidence. Selective, dodgy, nit-picking evidence sometimes, but evidence nonetheless. Fight fire with fire, as Metallica said on their only good album.

Point 3: [very slightly] More to the point, Reid's commentary on Rmoney's taxes was a hugely successful troll operation. I'd score it 3 out of 5 trollfaces, and 2 out of 4 Eduard Khils. In essence, he pulled a "Do you still beat your wife every night", and Romney bumbled headlong into it.

Harry Reid will never be as left-wing or bold as Bernie Sanders, and the reason is because he represents a swing state. Because of the center-right nature of the state, Harry Reid has to be somewhat moderate in his politics. A Vermont-style Socialist* would not be successful in Nevada. Neither would a Alabama-style So-Co, for that matter.

*: Sanders calls himself Socialist, its not a label slapped on him by others.

382 sagehen  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:20:07am

re: #377 Dark_Falcon

So what? The deductions are legal, and Romney actually overpaid his taxes this year. And nearly 30% of what he made went to charity, more even than Obama (although at the 20% mark, Obama was also quite generous).

I know the IRS thinks of it as charity, but in Romney's mind the church tithes are required dues to get his own post-mortem planet. It's buying real estate.

In my moral calculus, that's not charity. Charity is something done to benefit others.

383 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:20:43am

re: #380 funky chicken

Yeah, but is there an Istanbul in Libya?

There's a Paris in Maine,, and both a Rome and Athens in Georgia

384 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:20:58am

re: #379 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Well, lemme get this straight to you. I'm not a TPer. I posted links to back my statement about Timmy. And Reid is a douche who tried to get an American (like him or not) fired from his job. And when that didn't happen and the guy raised $4.2 million for charity. And Reid tried to take credit for it.

OH NOES!! ANOTHER LINKY!!!

385 Sionainn  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:21:44am

re: #374 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, Geithner didn't pay taxes but he is the head of people paying taxes. Fun times!!

It helps if you don't broad brush people. I never supported Geithner.

386 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:23:05am

re: #382 sagehen

I know the IRS thinks of it as charity, but in Romney's mind the church tithes are required dues to get his own post-mortem planet. It's buying real estate.

In my moral calculus, that's not charity. Charity is something done to benefit others.

something in the vacinity of 95% of Mormon donations go directly t charitabel causes, not admin for those cause. The church itself picks up the majority of the admin costs

Thats charitable!

387 funky chicken  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:23:46am

re: #373 bratwurst

This is the part of the equation that nobody to the right of Joe Lieberman likes to address. Had the GOP in his state (and uh...a few other states) not been hijacked by REAL NO FOOLING INSANE PEOPLE, Reid would be retired. Now he is an older man with four more years who will almost certainly continue as majority leader without a thing in the world to lose.

just worth the QFT, even though it's close in the thread.

388 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:23:54am

re: #382 sagehen

I know the IRS thinks of it as charity, but in Romney's mind the church tithes are required dues to get his own post-mortem planet. It's buying real estate.

In my moral calculus, that's not charity. Charity is something done to benefit others.

The LDS requires peeps to give 10%, just like any other church. And look up the admin cost of LDS versus other charities. I'll wait for you memo on my desk in the morning. (they actually give around 96% of all monies to the actual need. But then again, why bother with that bullshit)

389 sagehen  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:23:54am

re: #385 Sionainn

It helps if you don't broad brush people. I never supported Geithner.

Neither did I, but not because of sloppy record-keeping on his personal finances. He's just not good at his job, for all the reasons Sheila Bair (formerly of the FDIC) has recounted repeatedly. We'd all be better off if she'd gotten the appointment instead.

390 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:24:50am

re: #388 Cannadian Club Akbar

beat you to it

391 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:25:43am

re: #385 Sionainn

It helps if you don't broad brush people. I never supported Geithner.

I didn't broad brush you. I was making hay about Reid.

392 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:25:51am

re: #388 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #390 sattv4u2

beat you to it

and I'm on a laptop with no mouse sitting on a balcony overlooking the ocean in my bathing suit!!!

393 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:25:59am

re: #390 sattv4u2

beat you to it

Shutty!!

394 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:28:35am

re: #382 sagehen

I know the IRS thinks of it as charity, but in Romney's mind the church tithes are required dues to get his own post-mortem planet. It's buying real estate.

In my moral calculus, that's not charity. Charity is something done to benefit others.

Even then, tithes are 10% and he gave far more than that.

Moreover, you don't know his thoughts on tithing and charity, you're just making an uncharitable assumption.

395 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:28:52am

re: #392 sattv4u2

re: #390 sattv4u2

and I'm on a laptop with no mouse sitting on a balcony overlooking the ocean in my bathing suit!!!

If you say you are wearing a thong I might hang myself.

396 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:29:46am

re: #395 Cannadian Club Akbar

If you say you are wearing a thong I might hang myself.

Whats your e-mail address

I'll send you the folder with all the pics!!!!

397 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:30:48am

re: #395 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #396 sattv4u2

Whats your e-mail address

I'll send you the folder with all the pics!!!!

The little two piece tube top outfit is to die for!!

398 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:31:40am

re: #396 sattv4u2

Whats your e-mail address

I'll send you the folder with all the pics!!!!

How are you feeling? Any better?

399 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:33:39am

re: #396 sattv4u2

Whats your e-mail address

I'll send you the folder with all the pics!!!!

You're like 90 years old!! What are you holding up the berries with? A hammock?
///

400 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:33:41am

re: #384 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, lemme get this straight to you. I'm not a TPer. I posted links to back my statement about Timmy. And Reid is a douche who tried to get an American (like him or not) fired from his job. And when that didn't happen and the guy raised $4.2 million for charity. And Reid tried to take credit for it.

[Embedded content]

OH NOES!! ANOTHER LINKY!!!

I like to believe I'm fairly fluent in English. The only other language I know well enough to whip out in public is German, and a 5 year-old native German speaker could run, cartwheel, breakdance, and twerk circles around me. Probably WOULD, too, just for laughs.

With that in mind, I admit to a certain amount of embarrassment at not having any idea what the hell you're talking about.

401 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:35:33am

re: #398 Killgore Trout

How are you feeling? Any better?

Surgery scheduled for 10/02,,, pre-op 9/28

So far so good. No incidences since last week

Decided to "run away" for a few days after spending all of the past Monday doing tests in the hospital (echo-cardio,,, nuclear stress test,,, x-rays ,, CT scans)

Came down to the beach (Pawleys Island South Carolina) for some R&R Tuesday. Heading back today after one more dip in the ocean

Thanks for asking

402 William of Orange  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:35:50am

MC 'Bama! - "You didn't build that!"

403 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:36:11am

re: #400 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Yea. I'm tricky like that.

404 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:37:25am

Six Libyan security forces 'executed' in Benghazi

Six members of Libya's security forces were killed, apparently "executed," after clashes in Benghazi pitting protesters against a defence ministry brigade, a Libyan medical examiner told AFP Saturday.

"From the nature of the wounds it is clear that the six were executed," the medical examiner said on condition of anonymity, adding that four of them were shot in the head while the others were shot in the chest as well as the head.
An official at the prosecutor's office confirmed the toll.

405 funky chicken  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:37:32am

re: #373 bratwurst

This is the part of the equation that nobody to the right of Joe Lieberman likes to address. Had the GOP in his state (and uh...a few other states) not been hijacked by REAL NO FOOLING INSANE PEOPLE, Reid would be retired. Now he is an older man with four more years who will almost certainly continue as majority leader without a thing in the world to lose.

The same is true for the presidential election this year as well, of course. If the far right wing hadn't gained so much clout in the party, their feckless presidential candidate wouldn't have been forced to take so many unpopular positions. Romney's behavior as governor of MA leads me to believe he doesn't hate the working poor and doesn't dream of repealing Roe V Wade, or sit up salivating over the chance to reinact DADT and vigorously defend/enforce DOMA. Unfortunately the lunatics in his party don't want a moderate, and Romney doesn't have the character to be himself--whatever that is.

406 funky chicken  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:38:30am

re: #400 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Rush Limbaugh. It's not interesting enough to look further.

407 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:39:46am

re: #400 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

re: #403 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yea. I'm tricky like that.

I have a copy of the Rosetta Stones CCA- English CD for sale!!!

408 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:40:49am

re: #404 Killgore Trout

Six Libyan security forces 'executed' in Benghazi

If only they had midnight basketball!!

//

409 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:41:01am

re: #407 sattv4u2

re: #403 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have a copy of the Rosetta Stones CCA- English CD for sale!!!

Will there be links?
/

410 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:41:57am

Ordinary Muslim Man

[Link: www.quickmeme.com...]
[Link: www.quickmeme.com...]
[Link: www.quickmeme.com...]

etc

411 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:42:17am

re: #409 Cannadian Club Akbar

Will there be links?
/

Sausage??

Nahh,, I had the bacon instead

412 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:48:29am

Mornin' 47%ers.

413 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:49:07am

So, today's recap.
-I made fun of Harry Reid.
-I made fun of people who bitch about Mittens tax returns.
-I made fun about the fact that the same people who bitch about Romney's tax returns are the same ones who said that that subject is off limits in regards to Timmy's tax EVASION!!!
-Now I will call those people political hacks. Pick a belief and stick to it.
-For the love of Pete.
Do I need to post yet another link?

414 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:50:11am

re: #401 sattv4u2

Surgery scheduled for 10/02,,, pre-op 9/28

So far so good. No incidences since last week

Decided to "run away" for a few days after spending all of the past Monday doing tests in the hospital (echo-cardio,,, nuclear stress test,,, x-rays ,, CT scans)

Came down to the beach (Pawleys Island South Carolina) for some R&R Tuesday. Heading back today after one more dip in the ocean

Thanks for asking

Good news, hang in there.

415 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:50:29am

re: #413 Cannadian Club Akbar

Do I need to post yet another link?

Is it the one showing how Snookie got pregnant??

416 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:50:47am

re: #414 Killgore Trout

Good news, hang in there.

Will do

Thanks

417 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:51:08am

re: #413 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, today's recap.
-I made fun of Harry Reid.
-I made fun of people who bitch about Mittens tax returns.
-I made fun about the fact that the same people who bitch about Romney's tax returns are the same ones who said that that subject is off limits in regards to Timmy's tax EVASION!!!
-Now I will call those people political hacks. Pick a belief and stick to it.
-For the love of Pete.
Do I need to post yet another link?

Outrageous!
/

418 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:51:43am

re: #415 sattv4u2


Do I need to post yet another link?

Is it the one showing how Snookie got pregnant??

Gross. But I think we can get pics of her splitting an atom.
//

419 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:52:47am

re: #415 sattv4u2


Do I need to post yet another link?

Is it the one showing how Snookie got pregnant??

Who knew flies would do that?

420 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:52:55am

Protesters storm Islamist militia group headquarters (video)
Not much noteworthy in the video aside from the reporter's funky diction.

421 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:53:25am

re: #413 Cannadian Club Akbar

Who is Timmy?

422 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:54:21am

Ah well. I hear the waves rolling onto the beach 6 floors below me. Think I';ll go join them for one last swim before the long (not so quiet ,, we have the two pooches with us) drive home beckons

423 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:54:32am

re: #420 Killgore Trout

Protesters storm Islamist militia group headquarters (video)
Not much noteworthy in the video aside from the reporter's funky diction.

I think the fact that the Libyan people are taking out the militia group headquarters is noteworthy.

424 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:55:26am

re: #421 darthstar

Who is Timmy?

Timmy (I shoulda used H&R Block ) Giehtner

425 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:56:44am

re: #422 sattv4u2

Ah well. I hear the waves rolling onto the beach 6 floors below me. Think I';ll go join them for one last swim before the long (not so quiet ,, we have the two pooches with us) drive home beckons

Drive safely...no fancy garnish in your drink...if you drop that while you're driving the toothpick could get you in the YOWZA! And if you're also eating while you drive, make it a finger food...I find using a knife and fork while I drive makes it difficult to hold my drink.

426 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:57:28am

re: #424 sattv4u2

Timmy (I shoulda used H&R Block ) Giehtner

Aw shit, is he running for president too?

427 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:58:44am

re: #426 darthstar

Aw shit, is he running for president too?

Yeah,, cause malfeasance only counts if you're doing that

Being a reprobate in any other position of authority in our gov't ,, eh!!!

428 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 7:59:13am
429 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:00:26am

re: #428 darthstar

I got a rock.
-Charlie Brown

430 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:00:38am

re: #405 funky chicken

Unfortunately the lunatics in his party don't want a moderate, and Romney doesn't have the character to be himself--whatever that is.

True. Mitt remade himself to appeal to the Tea Party kooks to win the nomination, and now their support is a boat anchor. He would have been better off in the primaries to let all the other candidates fight over the the extremists while he staked out the center and mocked the fringe crackpots. He would have still won the nomination and he would be in a much better position now.

431 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:00:42am

re: #428 darthstar

[Embedded content]

At least you weren't planning on giving out the apples with the razor blades in them ,,, again!!

432 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:00:59am

re: #427 sattv4u2

Yeah,, cause malfeasance only counts if you're doing that

Being a reprobate in any other position of authority in our gov't ,, eh!!!

Well, I believe the comparison was between him and Romney, or am I not understanding the incoherent ranting upthread? So how much money does Timmeh have in the Caymans? I might want to get to know him a little better...

433 sattv4u2  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:01:02am

OUT,,,,,

434 bratwurst  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:02:47am

I guess I missed all of the virulent Timothy Geithner defenders around here.

435 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:03:48am

re: #434 bratwurst

I guess I missed all of the virulent Timothy Geithner defenders around here.

I believe he is 53rd in the line of succession for the Presidency.. /

436 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:03:54am

re: #431 sattv4u2

At least you weren't planning on giving out the apples with the razor blades in them ,,, again!!

Last year, I'd look in their bags, shout, "Oh, did those cheap fuckers up the street give you a bible verse on paper? Here's an egg...go hit their fucking door with it." then smile at their parents and say, "Happy Halloween!"

437 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:05:54am

re: #413 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, today's recap.
-I made fun of Harry Reid.
-I made fun of people who bitch about Mittens tax returns.
-I made fun about the fact that the same people who bitch about Romney's tax returns are the same ones who said that that subject is off limits in regards to Timmy's tax EVASION!!!
-Now I will call those people political hacks. Pick a belief and stick to it.
-For the love of Pete.
Do I need to post yet another link?

You also said the Secretary of the Treasury runs the Fed. He does not.

438 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:07:43am

re: #426 darthstar

Aw shit, is he running for president too?

No, but one of the guys running for president made him Secretary of the Treasury. So going after him is fair game.

439 sagehen  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:08:05am

re: #434 bratwurst

I guess I missed all of the virulent Timothy Geithner defenders around here.

I don't defend Geithner, but I do think it's trivial to harp on him for "sloppy shit 5-10 years ago that was exhaustively discussed 3-1/2 years ago", when we could instead be harping on him for "not very good at his job and please would Obama replace him the day after the election."

440 wheat-dogg  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:08:13am

re: #337 Gus

While worshiping at the altar of Apple and TED. Too much. Seriously. Liberals are just as screwed up as conservatives.

FTFY.

TED just drives me batty. It was tolerable when the speakers, you know, actually said something new and different. Now, it's become a cottage industry where nearly anybody with half an idea can hold the stage for 12 minutes of adulation.

441 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:09:53am

re: #429 Cannadian Club Akbar

I got a rock.
-Charlie Brown

He's got a rock and he's masked!!1 Charlie Brown is an OWS rioter!!1

/Killgore on a bad day

442 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:10:40am

re: #440 wheatdogg

FTFY.

TED just drives me batty. It was tolerable when the speakers, you know, actually said something new and different. Now, it's become a cottage industry where nearly anybody with half an idea can hold the stage for 12 minutes of adulation.

I hadn't noticed but you're right. It wasn't that long ago TED lectures were interesting and thought provoking.

443 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:11:06am

re: #437 wrenchwench

You also said the Secretary of the Treasury runs the Fed. He does not.

My bad. I should get those who don't pay taxes straight.

444 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:11:26am

re: #438 Dark_Falcon

No, but one of the guys running for president made him Secretary of the Treasury. So going after him is fair game.

Attack him all you like, couch warrior.

445 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:11:31am

Reminds me.

It's almost time for our annual War on Christmas!

This year's campaign should feature malfeasance by Santa Claus imitators as well as the old standards: religious offense, fire-hazard trees, and crazed, stampeding shoppers.

446 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:12:35am

re: #439 sagehen

I don't defend Geithner, but I do think it's trivial to harp on him for "sloppy shit 5-10 years ago that was exhaustively discussed 3-1/2 years ago", when we could instead be harping on him for "not very good at his job and please would Obama replace him the day after the election."

It's good to see conservatives recycling.

447 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:12:55am

re: #332 Gus

Or whining about having to for over 13 bucks for a state ID. Damn, that's really hard. That about 1.3 of a six pack.

Throw in the $25 or so to get a copy of your birth certificate first.

As for $13, you can get a whole case of the Beast for $12 around here. $10 six packs are for beer snobs.

448 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:14:38am

re: #446 darthstar

It's good to see conservatives recycling.

It's good to see people crying about a tax return when it was no big deal 4 years ago. Please.

449 Kronocide  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:16:02am

re: #443 Cannadian Club Akbar

My bad. I should get those who don't pay taxes straight.

Sounds like you have good material for a 12 minute TED talk.

450 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:16:24am

re: #444 darthstar

Attack him all you like, couch warrior.

Be happy to, moonbat.

451 Kronocide  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:19:17am

Romney's campaign is focused on victory with it's latent response to the lower level attacks of Reid. Now his taxes are back in the limelight.

He should hire Charlie Sheen to run his campaign.

452 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:21:52am

re: #451 Kronocide

Romney's campaign is focused on victory with it's latent response to the lower level attacks of Reid. Now his taxes are back in the limelight.

He should hire Charlie Sheen to run his campaign.

He hasn't "bungled": He promised to disclose his 2011 tax return before the election and has now done so. Reid's going to end up looking like an ass, and that will pave the way for the Donks to get stomped in the Silver State.

453 bratwurst  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:24:58am

re: #452 Dark_Falcon

He hasn't "bungled": He promised to disclose his 2011 tax return before the election and has now done so. Reid's going to end up looking like an ass, and that will pave the way for the Donks to get stomped in the Silver State.

First of all, I remind you again that the ONLY OTHER PERSON I have EVER SEEN calling Democrats "Donks" is presently mocking you personally (by name!) on a near daily basis over at the Stalker Blog. Please have at least a tiny bit of self respect and stop emulating that asshole.

Second of all, check the polls in NV lately? Nobody is getting "stomped".

454 garhighway  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:26:12am

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

"Create" is likely the wrong word. Does "nurture" fit more accurately in your assessment?

Try "cover".

455 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:26:50am

re: #451 Kronocide

Romney's campaign is focused on victory with it's latent response to the lower level attacks of Reid. Now his taxes are back in the limelight.

He should hire Charlie Sheen to run his campaign.

According to the materials I've read, Harry Reid isn't running for President either.

SHOOT FIRST! AIM LATER!

I thought Obama was joking when he said that, but apparently it's part of the GOP platform.

At least Charlie Sheen would bring FEMALE hookers to the Republican team.

456 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:27:05am

re: #452 Dark_Falcon

Reid's going to end up looking like an ass, and that will pave the way for the Donks to get stomped in the Silver State.

I really don't think going after Harry Reid will be enough to salvage Mitt's campaign, but have at it.

457 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:29:06am

re: #452 Dark_Falcon

He hasn't "bungled": He promised to disclose his 2011 tax return before the election and has now done so. Reid's going to end up looking like an ass, and that will pave the way for the Donks to get stomped in the Silver State.

Keep stomping...you're doing a heckuva job.

NV-2012 President: 51% Obama (D), 44% Romney (R) (YouGov 9/7-9/14)

458 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:31:13am

Obama’s Univision denial that Fast and Furious started on his watch

Obama earns three Pinocchios for his comments about Fast and Furious. His factual error sends a message that the previous administration is responsible for gun walking and Operation Fast and Furious.

Outrage!

459 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:32:48am
".. 266 of the 379 pages of Romney's 2011 taxes are about foreign corporations and partnerships."

Aww but aint that America, for you and me,
Aint that America, something to see baby,
Aint that America, home of the free..
Little Pink houses for you and me.

460 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:35:34am

Univision should have built a danged fence...

461 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:36:36am

re: #459 Mich-again

Aww but aint that America, for you and me,
Aint that America, something to see baby,
Aint that America, home of the free..
Little Pink houses for you and me.

Tim Geihtner!
Reverende Wright!
Bill Ayers!

462 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:37:58am

I think next time Mitt gets a spray tan he should go with less orange. The shade he picked is not found in nature.

463 Robert O.  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:38:54am

You know what? The Ottoman Empire was, for the most part, relatively tolerant to religious differences for an empire of its time. This was partially the reason they won the loyalty of subjects ranging from Muslims to Christians to Jews. Europe, unfortunately, was not particularly tolerant of religious differences until the Age of Enlightenment, which not coincidentally, saw a reduction in the influence of religion in favor of pluralism and secular governments. The right seems to be confused between modern Wahhabis & Salafists with fairly moderate Ottomans.

464 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:40:04am

re: #462 Mich-again

I think next time Mitt gets a spray tan he should go with less orange. The shade he picked is not found in nature.

I called it, "Popping a Boehner in public."

465 garhighway  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:40:53am

re: #355 Cannadian Club Akbar

Also, remember when people were getting after Romney for being a Mormon and Reid came to his defense? Yea, me neither.

During the Republican primaries? Is Harry supposed to be part of that process? And for that matter, given the mindset of the GOP primary electorate, could Harry saying ANYTHING nice about Mitt back then do any good for Mitt?

466 Lidane  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:41:05am

re: #460 darthstar

From the article:

Salinas told BuzzFeed that tickets for each forum were divided between the network, the respective campaigns, and the University of Miami (which hosted the events) — and she said both campaigns initially agreed to keep the audience comprised mostly of students, in keeping with the events' education theme.

But after exhausting the few conservative groups on campus, the Romney camp realized there weren't enough sympathetic students to fill the stands on their night — so they told the network and university that if they weren't given an exemption to the students-only rule, they might have to "reschedule."

In contrast:

Obama's campaign, meanwhile, stuck to the original parameters and allowed a large chunk of the tickets to be distributed to interested students on campus. The result was a quiet, well-behaved crowd — and a lot of no-shows. Minutes before Obama's forum was to begin, producers began frantically directing university staff and volunteers to sit in the empty seats.

According to the writer, this is all part of a larger sign that Obama blew it at this forum and that he's somehow vulnerable with Latino voters. Or something.

467 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:42:58am

re: #463 Robert O.

You know what? The Ottoman Empire was, for the most part, relatively tolerant to religious differences for an empire of its time. This was partially the reason they won the loyalty of subjects ranging from Muslims to Christians to Jews. Europe, unfortunately, was not particularly tolerant of religious differences until the Age of Enlightenment, which not coincidentally, saw a reduction in the influence of religion in favor of pluralism and secular governments. The right seems to be confused between modern Wahhabis & Salafists with fairly moderate Ottomans.

Rep Gohmert Pyle wouldn't know the difference between Ataturk and Attaboy.

468 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:45:43am

re: #464 darthstar

I called it, "Popping a Boehner in public."

John Kerry tried the spray tan in '04 and ended up getting ridiculed for being Agent Orange. So next up for Mitt, he'll put on a lint free bunny suit and come crawling out of hatch opening during a NASA tour.

469 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:45:49am

re: #463 Robert O.

They're not confused. They just want to sound educated so they pull a word they remember from grade school ("Ottoman Empire" - sounds scary) and run with it. Some asshole used Pol Pot last week. Next week it will be Bolsheviks and the week after Darleks. They're saving the Death Eaters from the history of Hogwarts for their late October surprise.

470 Kronocide  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:46:16am

re: #452 Dark_Falcon

He hasn't "bungled": He promised to disclose his 2011 tax return before the election and has now done so. Reid's going to end up looking like an ass, and that will pave the way for the Donks to get stomped in the Silver State.

Which makes the point: he's released how many of his taxes? It invokes the 'yes, but why not more years' questions, which are valid.

It's picking the scab.

471 Kronocide  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:48:12am

re: #467 Mich-again

Rep Gohmert Pyle wouldn't know the difference between Ataturk and Attaboy.

Attaturk is a Turkish Attaboy.

472 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:48:22am

re: #466 Lidane

From the article:

In contrast:

According to the writer, this is all part of a larger sign that Obama blew it at this forum and that he's somehow vulnerable with Latino voters. Or something.

I'm sure it erased his 43 point lead. Romney looked like an asshole huckster, and his planted crowd was rude...that doesn't translate into influence in peoples' homes. Obama isn't a used car salesman. I don't think any appearance of his ever hurts him with his audience.

473 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:48:48am

re: #458 Killgore Trout

Obama’s Univision denial that Fast and Furious started on his watch

Outrage!

Just a typical lie. But indeed a lie, as the Inspector General's report makes clear that Operation: Fast and Furious (as distinguished from "gun-walking" as a concept) was indeed started after Obama took the helm. So he owns it, and should not be allowed to walk away from it.

474 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:48:53am

Can there be any doubt in anyone's mind that after Mitt loses this election he will go back and amend his 2011 return to get that extra million or so in overpaid taxes back.

He has made a big deal out of only paying the taxes he owed and not a penny more, then this return comes out proving him a rich benevolent liar.

475 wheat-dogg  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:50:20am

re: #463 Robert O.

You know what? The Ottoman Empire was, for the most part, relatively tolerant to religious differences for an empire of its time. This was partially the reason they won the loyalty of subjects ranging from Muslims to Christians to Jews. Europe, unfortunately, was not particularly tolerant of religious differences until the Age of Enlightenment, which not coincidentally, saw a reduction in the influence of religion in favor of pluralism and secular governments. The right seems to be confused between modern Wahhabis & Salafists with fairly moderate Ottomans.

A lot of people don't understand that there are almost as many flavors of Islam as there are of Christianity, and sometimes those flavors don't mix well together. The Ottomans and Turkey since the end of the empire have been fairly tolerant of religious differences, unlike fundamentalists here and abroad.

476 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:50:42am

re: #474 Mich-again

Can there be any doubt in anyone's mind that after Mitt loses this election he will go back and amend his 2011 return to get that extra million or so in overpaid taxes back.

He has made a big deal out of only paying the taxes he owed and not a penny more, then this return comes out proving him a rich benevolent liar.

After? Ann probably called the accountants on Friday afternoon and said, "We want to sign those revisions before the end of October. Get on it!"

477 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:50:49am

re: #473 Dark_Falcon

Just a typical lie. But indeed a lie, as the Inspector General's report makes clear that Operation: Fast and Furious (as distinguished from "gun-walking" as a concept) was indeed started after Obama took the helm. So he owns it, and should not be allowed to walk away from it.

I was surprised by the ruling but that's why I read the fact checker sites. It's so easy to misinformed these days.

478 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:50:54am

re: #470 Kronocide

Which makes the point: he's released how many of his taxes? It invokes the 'yes, but why not more years' questions, which are valid.

It's picking the scab.

As far as that is the case, it can be neutralized via attacks on Reid, especially given the downticket races in Nevada. The Nevada GOP needs to attack Harry Reid morning, noon, and night and the National party should ensure everyone hears them.

479 Kronocide  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:53:04am

re: #478 Dark_Falcon

As far as that is the case, it can be neutralized via attacks on Reid, especially given the downticket races in Nevada. The Nevada GOP needs to attack Harry Reid morning, noon, and night and the National party should ensure everyone hears them.

You think it's a good idea for the Romney campaign to attack Reid?

480 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:53:32am

Just a drive-by. Have errands to run.

Have a great morning all!

481 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:54:20am

re: #476 darthstar

After? Ann probably called the accountants on Friday afternoon and said, "We want to sign those revisions before the end of October. Get on it!"

Baby horse needs a new pair of shoes!

482 gwangung  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:54:53am

re: #478 Dark_Falcon

As far as that is the case, it can be neutralized via attacks on Reid, especially given the downticket races in Nevada. The Nevada GOP needs to attack Harry Reid morning, noon, and night and the National party should ensure everyone hears them.

Eh, I don't think so. You're getting distracted, AS PLANNED, by the stalking horse.

Really. Eyes on the prize.

483 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:56:16am

re: #479 Kronocide

You think it's a good idea for the Romney campaign to attack Reid?

He thought it was a good idea for Napoleon to go to Waterloo.

484 Sionainn  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:56:31am

re: #391 Cannadian Club Akbar

I didn't broad brush you. I was making hay about Reid.

So that's why you mentioned Geithner and Rangel. Got it.

485 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:57:13am

re: #482 gwangung

Eh, I don't think so. You're getting distracted, AS PLANNED, by the stalking horse.

Really. Eyes on the prize.

Harry Reid isn't the prize?

486 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:58:47am

re: #478 Dark_Falcon

As far as that is the case, it can be neutralized via attacks on Reid, especially given the downticket races in Nevada. The Nevada GOP needs to attack Harry Reid morning, noon, and night and the National party should ensure everyone hears them.

I really think you should reach out to the Romney campaign and offer your services...really, at least you HAVE a strategy.

487 Sionainn  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 8:59:56am

re: #421 darthstar

Who is Timmy?

It appears that we both live under the same rock. ;-)

488 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:00:37am

re: #479 Kronocide

You think it's a good idea for the Romney campaign to attack Reid?

No, the Nevada GOP should attack Reid. They should be given a megaphone by pro-Romney SuperPacs and should go on the Sunday talk shows if they can to rip on Reid. Romney himself should dismiss Harry Reid as "Obama's Attack Chihuahua".

489 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:01:52am

re: #488 Dark_Falcon

No, the Nevada GOP should attack Reid. They should be given a megaphone by pro-Romney SuperPacs and should go on the Sunday talk shows if they can to rip on Reid. Romney himself should dismiss Harry Reid as "Obama's Attack Chihuahua".

That'll help with the Latino vote down ticket. You're a political genius.

490 Kronocide  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:03:49am

re: #488 Dark_Falcon

No, the Nevada GOP should attack Reid. They should be given a megaphone by pro-Romney SuperPacs and should go on the Sunday talk shows if they can to rip on Reid. Romney himself should dismiss Harry Reid as "Obama's Attack Chihuahua".

But by giving national exposure to Reid attacking him... gives Reid more exposure. And changes the campaign dialogue.

I really hope they take your advice.

491 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:06:38am

re: #489 darthstar

That'll help with the Latino vote down ticket. You're a political genius.

It won't bother them a bit. Mocking someone who is loud but non-dangerous as a chihuahua has no ethnic connotations. It's just the use of a different small breed of dog in place of the overused "poodle".

492 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:07:31am

8. Your 14 percent tax rate –- not to mention the approximately 10 percent tax rate you would have paid had you not inflated it — is less than what many middle-class Americans pay. And you paid just 0.2% of your income in payroll taxes, while most Americans pay about 15%. Do you think that is fair?

That's the part that burns me. All this screaming from the GOP about how hard it is out there for a millionaire, and this guy is paying a lower percentage in taxes than I am?

But I expected that.

The rest...hell, he released some tax returns, and it will do him no good. Enough with the paperwork. He's losing this election.

493 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:07:52am

re: #473 Dark_Falcon

Just a typical lie. But indeed a lie, as the Inspector General's report makes clear that Operation: Fast and Furious (as distinguished from "gun-walking" as a concept) was indeed started after Obama took the helm. So he owns it, and should not be allowed to walk away from it.

Tim Steller has been covering this longer and deeper than anyone, I think. He says:

The report also undercut other cherished theories about Operation Fast and Furious. As with the congressional investigative reports published before it, this report points to the Arizona ATF agents themselves as the originators of Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious and their "gun-walking" tactics.

In other words, according to both Republican-led congressional investigations and the Justice Department's internal investigator, the Obama administration did not encourage gun-walking as a way to sow violence in Mexico with American guns, thereby begetting gun control in the USA.

Yes, it happened under Obama's watch. It was also killed under his watch. He didn't walk away from it.

494 Mocking Jay  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:08:06am

re: #491 Dark_Falcon

It won't bother them a bit. Mocking someone who is loud but non-dangerous as a chihuahua has no ethnic connotations. It's just the use of a different small breed of dog in place of the overused "poodle".

It's amazing how Republicans can't grasp that what they think they're saying might not be the same as what other people hear.

495 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:08:49am

re: #258 Guanxi88

And in response to which, one, and only one, question need be asked:

"Senator Reid, given that there is now irrefutable proof that Mr. Romney has, in fact, paid his taxes, how long ought we to wait before you apologize for insinuating that he somehow broke the law and/or failed to pay taxes?"

This isn't about Harry Reid. He's just the dog that got tapped to bark.

Now I'm going to go all MBF: When may we expect an apology from the many people who insinuated, or said outright, that the President broke the law and lied about his place of birth?

496 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:09:13am

re: #490 Kronocide

But by giving national exposure to Reid attacking him... gives Reid more exposure. And changes the campaign dialogue.

I really hope they take your advice.

Reid's going to get more exposure anyway, the Dems will see to that. But if we answer their attack rollout with our own people slamming Reid's lies and dishonest questions then his attack will be weakened, both nationally and (critically) in Nevada.

497 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:10:56am

re: #285 Gus

Debate. No. Silence. On to Gaza again. Yawn.

I have opinions about Gaza.

I have no particular opinions about atheists. I mean, most of the public ones strike me as arrogant people in love with their own inflated assessment of their intellects, but I'm not sure that as a theist I'm supposed to be saying that.

498 Sionainn  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:11:39am

re: #496 Dark_Falcon

Reid's going to get more exposure anyway, the Dems will see to that. But if we answer their attack rollout with our own people slamming Reid's lies and dishonest questions then his attack will be weakened, both nationally and (critically) in Nevada.

Funny thing is that the GOP has gotten so tied up with the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, etc., that rational people don't bother listening to what your "own people" say because darn near everything that comes out of their mouths sounds like a whine or is a lie. You guys built that.

499 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:13:14am

re: #357 Cannadian Club Akbar

Agreed. But my point was that Harry Reid is a little douchebag and someone could stand up and say "Mormons like to eat puppies" and Harry Reid wouldn't come to any kind of defense for Mittens or THEIR religion because he is a little partisan hack.

You think Mitt would defend Harry and their religion if Harry were coming under attack?

500 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:14:01am

re: #491 Dark_Falcon

It won't bother them a bit. Mocking someone who is loud but non-dangerous as a chihuahua has no ethnic connotations. It's just the use of a different small breed of dog in place of the overused "poodle".

If you say so.

Image: mexico-dog-show-2011-9-17-19-0-33.jpg

501 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:14:17am

re: #383 sattv4u2

There's a Paris in Maine,, and both a Rome and Athens in Georgia

There's also a Lebanon in Pennsylvania.

502 Sionainn  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:15:01am

Going back out to trim trees. I love trimming trees, but hate picking up all the branches and bagging them. Too bad my kids aren't quite big enough to do it for me. BBL.

503 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:15:02am

re: #382 sagehen

I know the IRS thinks of it as charity, but in Romney's mind the church tithes are required dues to get his own post-mortem planet. It's buying real estate.

In my moral calculus, that's not charity. Charity is something done to benefit others.

He wants to go to heaven. That's not too weird, amongst folks who believe in such. Doesn't mean he's not giving for good reasons.

504 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:15:22am

re: #494 Mocking Jay

It's amazing how Republicans can't grasp that what they think they're saying might not be the same as what other people hear.

I know that, and I also know that some liberals will call the line a "dog whistle". At which point you roll out some earlier examples of its use, even including funny signs to make clear that what you're saying has no ethnic angle. As far as it has any ulterior meaning, the "attack chihuahua" serves as a trap, luring incautious left-wingers into making unfounded allegations that can be pounced on.

Yes, I thought this one out a bit.

505 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:16:55am

Wikipediea:

The Chihuahua’s history is puzzling and there are many theories surrounding the origin of the breed. Both folklore and archeological finds show that the breed originated in Mexico. The most common and most likely theory is that Chihuahuas are descended from the Techichi, a companion dog favored by the Toltec civilization in Mexico.[2] No records of the Techichi are available prior to the 9th century, although dog pots from Colima, Mexico, buried as part of the western Mexico shaft tomb tradition which date back to 300 B.C. are thought to depict Techichis.[3] It is probable that earlier ancestors were present prior to the Mayans as dogs approximating the Chihuahua are found in materials from the Great Pyramid of Cholula, predating 1530 and in the ruins of Chichen Itza on the Yucatán Peninsula.[2] In fact, wheeled dog toys representing both the "deer head" and "apple head" varieties of Chihuahua have been unearthed across Mesoamerica from Mexico to El Salvador. The earliest of these were found at Tres Zapotes in Veracruz, Mexico, which date to 100 A.D. [4] Dog effigy pots dating to around 1325 A.D. discovered in Georgia and Tennessee also appear to represent the Chihuahua[5] It has been argued that these pots arrived with survivors from the Casas Grandes site in Chihuahua, Mexico, after it was attacked and destroyed around 1340 A.D. Pots unearthed at Casas Grandes include representations of the "deer head" variety of Chihuahua.[4] Colonial records refer to small, nearly hairless dogs at the beginning of the 19th century, one of which claims 16th-century Conquistadores found them plentiful in the region later known as Chihuahua.

506 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:17:31am

Anti-Islam film: Pakistan minister offers bounty

A Pakistani government minister has offered a $100,000 reward for the death of the maker of an anti-Islam film produced in the US.

Railways Minister Ghulam Ahmad Bilour told the Associated Press (AP) that he would pay the reward for the "sacred duty" out of his own pocket.

He suggested the Taliban and al-Qaeda would be eligible for the reward.

507 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:17:53am

re: #501 SanFranciscoZionist

There's also a Lebanon in Pennsylvania.

Moscow, Idaho - commies!

508 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:18:56am

re: #505 darthstar

Wikipediea:

The chihuahua is, however, not the national dog of Mexico.

That is the xoloitzcuintle.

509 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:18:59am

re: #506 Killgore Trout

Anti-Islam film: Pakistan minister offers bounty

Nothing a little model aircraft hobbyist can't fix. We've got a few of them stationed in Nevada who have been flying their drones over Afghanistan for some time now.

510 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:20:18am

re: #508 SanFranciscoZionist

The chihuahua is, however, not the national dog of Mexico.

That is the xoloitzcuintle.

No, but it definitely is a breed of dog associated with Mexico.

Cute breed though, the Xoloitzcuintle

Image: XoloitzcuintliCaminosFridaKahlo1.jpg

511 Kronocide  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:22:12am

Now that I've had my breaky I'm ready for the daily dose of Muslims Behaving Badly.

512 Lidane  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:22:50am

Full discluosure -- I despise Chihuahuas. They're annoying, yappy little things that look like drowned rats IMO.

If I ever get a dog, the smallest one I'd get is a Pomeranian. I'd rather get something like a Corgi or a Shiba Inu.

513 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:22:51am

re: #510 darthstar

No, but it definitely is a breed of dog associated with Mexico.

Cute breed though, the Xoloitzcuintle

Image: XoloitzcuintliCaminosFridaKahlo1.jpg

They can be weird-looking little things, (that is a handsome one) but they're an excellent, and very very old breed. Apparently making something of a comeback among dog people.

514 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:23:09am

re: #504 Dark_Falcon

I know that, and I also know that some liberals will call the line a "dog whistle". At which point you roll out some earlier examples of its use, even including funny signs to make clear that what you're saying has no ethnic angle. As far as it has any ulterior meaning, the "attack chihuahua" serves as a trap, luring incautious left-wingers into making unfounded allegations that can be pounced on.

Yes, I thought this one out a bit.

Darn it, by golly, you outsmarted me again, dag-nubbit.

Image: country-hick.jpg

515 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:23:32am

re: #509 darthstar

Nothing a little model aircraft hobbyist can't fix. We've got a few of them stationed in Nevada who have been flying their drones over Afghanistan for some time now.

He's a government minister, so that wouldn't do. Think more creatively: He's the Railway Minister and such people have to be around trains occasionally. I'd say a good reply would be to have the train he was taking a ceremonial trip in run over an IED. I'd use a tactic like that then blame it on local Islamists, proclaiming "The vipers are fanging each other."

516 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:24:06am

re: #512 Lidane

Full discluosure -- I despise Chihuahuas. They're annoying, yappy little things that look like drowned rats IMO.

If I ever get a dog, the smallest one I'd get is a Pomeranian. I'd rather get something like a Corgi or a Shiba Inu.

I like Chihuahuas well enough. If you bring them up well, they're not yappy, it's just that a very small, fragile dog that doesn't feel secure in its environment has only one defense, and that is to bark its head off so you know where it is. If they aren't afraid of getting stepped on all the time, they're pretty calm.

517 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:25:12am

re: #512 Lidane

Full discluosure -- I despise Chihuahuas. They're annoying, yappy little things that look like drowned rats IMO.

If I ever get a dog, the smallest one I'd get is a Pomeranian. I'd rather get something like a Corgi or a Shiba Inu.

Maybe it's our proximity to the namesake state; there seem to be millions of them in this town. My least favorite are the two across the street.

518 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:25:12am

re: #510 darthstar

No, but it definitely is a breed of dog associated with Mexico.

Cute breed though, the Xoloitzcuintle

Image: XoloitzcuintliCaminosFridaKahlo1.jpg

True, but Harry Reid's not Mexican, last I checked.

519 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:25:48am

re: #504 Dark_Falcon

I know that, and I also know that some liberals will call the line a "dog whistle". At which point you roll out some earlier examples of its use, even including funny signs to make clear that what you're saying has no ethnic angle. As far as it has any ulterior meaning, the "attack chihuahua" serves as a trap, luring incautious left-wingers into making unfounded allegations that can be pounced on.

Yes, I thought this one out a bit.

Charles, this post wasn't aimed at you and I'm sorry if you took it that way. I know you'd see the 'chihuahua' as the honest joke it would be, since you don't evaluate things dishonestly.

520 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:26:02am

re: #512 Lidane

Full discluosure -- I despise Chihuahuas. They're annoying, yappy little things that look like drowned rats IMO.

If I ever get a dog, the smallest one I'd get is a Pomeranian. I'd rather get something like a Corgi or a Shiba Inu.

I was out walking Banjo one day and this woman had about six or seven chihuahuas (off leash!) - all puppies except the mom. The little bastards attacked me so fiercely I had to let go of Banjo's leash so I could give them all a finger to assault. Banjo just watched with amusement.

521 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:26:31am

re: #518 SanFranciscoZionist

True, but Harry Reid's not Mexican, last I checked.

I'm not the one who called him a chihuahua.

522 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:29:42am

re: #520 darthstar

I was out walking Banjo one day and this woman had about six or seven chihuahuas (off leash!) - all puppies except the mom. The little bastards attacked me so fiercely I had to let go of Banjo's leash so I could give them all a finger to assault. Banjo just watched with amusement.

I had a neighbor who owned Scottish Border Terriers, and while they were good dogs they could be trouble at times. Especially because of their tendency to chase other animals and to not let go if they bit something (they were originally bred to hunt foxes).

523 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:29:44am

re: #521 darthstar

I'm not the one who called him a chihuahua.

True. I just don't see it as a problem to call him one. It's just a shorthand for 'small and yappy' now that so many Americans own them. (My MIL has one.)

524 Lidane  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:31:55am

re: #517 wrenchwench

Maybe it's our proximity to the namesake state; there seem to be millions of them in this town. My least favorite are the two across the street.

I can see that. I know that I see them all the damn time when I go visit my mom and my family. My least favorites were the ones next door to my grandmother. God, those little bastards are annoying.

If I ever get a dog, I want something that looks like a dog, not something that fits in my purse. =P

525 andres  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:32:35am

re: #504 Dark_Falcon

I know that, and I also know that some liberals will call the line a "dog whistle". At which point you roll out some earlier examples of its use, even including funny signs to make clear that what you're saying has no ethnic angle. As far as it has any ulterior meaning, the "attack chihuahua" serves as a trap, luring incautious left-wingers into making unfounded allegations that can be pounced on.

Yes, I thought this one out a bit.

I... err... kinda agree with DF.

But, DF, take into consideration the (recent) past. Right now, the Republican Party has gone out of its way to attack immigrants, especially those from "Mexico*", and while the comment by itself is harmless, I can see it adding more fuel to the fire quite easily.

* Mexico being defined as everything to the south of USA.

526 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:33:08am

re: #524 Lidane

I can see that. I know that I see them all the damn time when I go visit my mom and my family. My least favorites were the ones next door to my grandmother. God, those little bastards are annoying.

If I ever get a dog, I want something that looks like a dog, not something that fits in my purse. =P

Quite Concur.

527 Mattand  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:33:18am

Boxers rule.

Granted, I'm biased, but still. Lot of work, but wonderful companions.

528 Mattand  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:33:58am

I was referring to the dogs, not athletes, btw.

529 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:34:16am

re: #523 SanFranciscoZionist

True. I just don't see it as a problem to call him one. It's just a shorthand for 'small and yappy' now that so many Americans own them. (My MIL has one.)

Truth be told, I don't see it as a problem either. I just made the Latino vote remark as a snarky retort to DF's use of it in his tortured plan to swing Nevada. Then, as is the rule of internet discussion, shit spiraled downhill from there. And we were only three posts away from a Godwin reference too...I could feel it. OHMYGODITWASME! See! We were closer than I thought.

530 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:35:49am

re: #525 andres

I... err... kinda agree with DF.

But, DF, take into consideration the (recent) past. Right now, the Republican Party has gone out of its way to attack immigrants, especially those from "Mexico*", and while the comment by itself is harmless, I can see it adding more fuel to the fire quite easily.

* Mexico being defined as everything to the south of USA.

Molly Ivins called Ross Perot a chihuahua repeatedly. She even published a column with a title describing him as a 'lying, paranoid chihuahua'.

She did, however, clarify that she was talking about the quality of his voice, not his height.

531 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:35:58am

re: #525 andres

I... err... kinda agree with DF.

But, DF, take into consideration the (recent) past. Right now, the Republican Party has gone out of its way to attack immigrants, especially those from "Mexico*", and while the comment by itself is harmless, I can see it adding more fuel to the fire quite easily.

* Mexico being defined as everything to the south of USA.

That's why the counter must be delivered by people who don't have a history of 'dog whistles'. Meghan McCain would be perfect for showing off the "attack chihuahua" sign and showing how the line is just good clean fun.

532 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:37:28am

re: #530 SanFranciscoZionist

Molly Ivins called Ross Perot a chihuahua repeatedly. She even published a column with a title describing him as a 'lying, paranoid chihuahua'.

She did, however, clarify that she was talking about the quality of his voice, not his height.

I explained that it is not easy to be a short, male Texan. If you can't be a long, tall Texan, our tradition calls for you weigh in with at least 130 pounds of bad attitude to make up for it. Nor is the phenomenon limited to Republicans and right-wingers. For example, both Jim Hightower and Sam Rayburn could be listed as runts with attitude, except that, since they're Democrats and thus politically correct, we would have to call them vertically impaired, or possibly differently abled, height-wise.

Several readers have written to object to my having referred to Ross Perot as a chihuahua. Actually, this was not intended as a reference to his size, or even to the size of his ears:

It was his voice I had in mind - he yaps. Now, my readers have pointed out that Perot's physical characteristics, including his stature or lack of it, have nothing to do with his qualifications for the presidency, with which I heartily concur. I was merely attempting a descriptive analogy. He does sound like a chihuahua. Under no circumstances would I suggest that this bars him from the presidency. Harry Truman also sounded like a yapping dog, but it had no effect on his presidency.

533 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:37:34am

re: #529 darthstar

Truth be told, I don't see it as a problem either. I just made the Latino vote remark as a snarky retort to DF's use of it in his tortured plan to swing Nevada. Then, as is the rule of internet discussion, shit spiraled downhill from there. And we were only three posts away from a Godwin reference too...I could feel it. OHMYGODITWASME! See! We were closer than I thought.

That one made me laugh while being accurate about the nature of internet debate. Very well done, Darthstar.

534 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:37:53am

re: #530 SanFranciscoZionist

Molly Ivins called Ross Perot a chihuahua repeatedly. She even published a column with a title describing him as a 'lying, paranoid chihuahua'.

She did, however, clarify that she was talking about the quality of his voice, not his height.

Molly Ivins would be having so much fun with the Romney campaign right now if she was still around. God she was funny.

535 Mattand  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:38:40am

re: #495 SanFranciscoZionist

This isn't about Harry Reid. He's just the dog that got tapped to bark.

Now I'm going to go all MBF: When may we expect an apology from the many people who insinuated, or said outright, that the President broke the law and lied about his place of birth?

Are you familiar with the phrase "Don't hold your breath"?

536 prairiefire  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:41:10am

Kathleen Turner in her one woman show as Molly Ivins ~ [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

537 darthstar  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:41:16am

If you didn't catch Maher's New Rules last night, this was pretty good. And Chris Matthews was on fire in the first half of the show...definitely worth catching on the replays.

538 Kronocide  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:42:04am
539 Lidane  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:43:33am
540 Mattand  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:45:38am

re: #537 darthstar

If you didn't catch Maher's New Rules last night, this was pretty good. And Chris Matthews was on fire in the first half of the show...definitely worth catching on the replays.

Bill Maher slams 'dipsh*t' undecided voters

I couldn't agree more. IMO, I don't see how anyone could be undecided after watching conservatives essentially have all three branches of government from 2001 to 2006.

They wrecked the fucking joint and their answer this year was to run people more conservative than Bush.

Obama and the Dems are far, far from perfect, but they're not running on a platform of religion, anti-science, and racism.

541 Lidane  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:45:41am

*sigh*

542 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:48:30am

re: #541 Lidane

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*sigh*

Well, that's not quite as bad as the guy who published an article a few years ago, explaining how airlines were using the same principles as slave ships to pack more people aboard.

I pointed out on Facebook that there were some differences, too. For example, if you get sick on an airplane, they're not allowed to throw you out in mid-flight to avoid you infecting the other passengers. And if you get to Boston on an airplane, and decide you do not like it, you can always buy another ticket and go home. Also, little packets of pretzels, and not being chained in one position for three months. Stuff like that.

//OMG

543 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:48:31am

re: #538 Kronocide

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Which will be one of the few times doctors actually look forward to hearing from a lawyer. No slight on Ms. Fluke intended.

544 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:49:34am

Soooo, there's an aryan nation parade today in DC?

545 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:49:41am

re: #542 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, that's not quite as bad as the guy who published an article a few years ago, explaining how airlines were using the same principles as slave ships to pack more people aboard.

I pointed out on Facebook that there were some differences, too. For example, if you get sick on an airplane, they're not allowed to throw you out in mid-flight to avoid you infecting the other passengers. And if you get to Boston on an airplane, and decide you do not like it, you can always buy another ticket and go home. Also, little packets of pretzels, and not being chained in one position for three months. Stuff like that.

//OMG

Thomas Harris also made that same comparison in Hannibal.

546 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:50:42am

re: #544 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Soooo, there's an aryan nation parade today in DC?

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I suppose so. That's an odd photo to use with the quote in question, unless the Aryan Nation are riding horses and wearing blue riding helmets. I think those guys are park police.

547 Mattand  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:51:13am

re: #541 Lidane

Fox News Highlights Anniversary Of Emancipation Proclamation With Discussion Of How "Government Is Enslaving People" bit.ly/RJqmon

*sigh*

The better half's parents visited the Constitution Center in Philly the last time they visited. Part of the tour mentioned how slavery was a huge economic engine in the early years of the country, given that the wages slaves were paid were threats against their lives.

Being good conservative, Fox News seniors, their take away was "Wow, slavery was important to the growth of the US." Not "Oh my God, our country's economy was built on a horrible inhuman practice we should be ashamed of."

Regardless of how the election turns out, I'm absolutely dreading Thanksgiving this year.

548 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:51:58am

re: #544 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Soooo, there's an aryan nation parade today in DC?

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Like Jake and Elwood, Obama will get the better of them:

549 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:51:59am

re: #545 Dark_Falcon

Thomas Harris also made that same comparison in Hannibal.

It annoys me. Getting cramped legs on a conveyance you paid good money to get you somewhere, and boarded freely is not like being dragged across the Atlantic to be sold as chattel.

550 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:53:41am

re: #546 SanFranciscoZionist

I suppose so. That's an odd photo to use with the quote in question, unless the Aryan Nation are riding horses and wearing blue riding helmets. I think those guys are park police.

Yah, looks like the yellow sign says straight, white, fight, right.

551 Mattand  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:54:25am

re: #549 SanFranciscoZionist

It annoys me. Getting cramped legs on a conveyance you paid good money to get you somewhere, and boarded freely is not like being dragged across the Atlantic to be sold as chattel.

Is there a Godwin's Law for airplane travel? If not, we may have a candidate.

552 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:55:09am

re: #550 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Yah, looks like the yellow sign says straight, white, fight, right.

Oh. I thought the protesters were the counterdemonstrators. Didn't check the signs, I guess.

Well, still, it's not counterprotesters blocking them, it's the park police.

553 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:57:07am

re: #552 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh. I thought the protesters were the counterdemonstrators. Didn't check the signs, I guess.

Well, still, it's not counterprotesters blocking them, it's the park police.

Yeah, tweet fail. I think the tweeter is in the press too. Sigh.

554 JamesWI  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 9:58:48am

re: #452 Dark_Falcon

Reid's going to end up looking like an ass, and that will pave the way for the Donks to get stomped in the Silver State.

Why hello there, Mr. Delusional! The "Donks" are going to get "stomped" in the Silver State huh? I guess that's why Mitt has NEVER been ahead in the polls there?

555 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:01:17am

re: #554 JamesWI

Why hello there, Mr. Delusional! The "Donks" are going to get "stomped" in the Silver State huh? I guess that's why Mitt has NEVER been ahead in the polls there?

Hello, Mr. Cheesehead!

556 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:01:48am

Ah, I do love it. The wingnuts have already taken two tacks to defend Willard's "tax returns." The first is to argue that the notarized letter is all we need to know about his past tax returns, because they'd have no reason to lie. The second is that it doesn't matter if he realistically paid 12.2% in taxes, because it's still more dollar amounts than most of us will pay in our lifetimes.

I really should start shoveling some of this bullshit onto my garden, it would make wonderful fertilizer.

557 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:04:07am

re: #554 JamesWI

Why hello there, Mr. Delusional! The "Donks" are going to get "stomped" in the Silver State huh? I guess that's why Mitt has NEVER been ahead in the polls there?

Harry Reid has the luck of the devil. The GOP ran the only person in the state who couldn't beat him, last time. A kid working the night shift at the 7/11 would have had a better chance.

558 JamesWI  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:07:48am

Nate Silver's current odds to win Nevada:

Obama - 80%
Romney - 20%

Someone's getting stomped in the Silver State, alright!

559 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:09:52am

BBL

560 Kronocide  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:11:25am

I'm going to Stomp in Hilo. Carry on #.47 Moochers!

561 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:19:51am

re: #557 SanFranciscoZionist

Harry Reid has the luck of the devil. The GOP ran the only person in the state who couldn't beat him, last time. A kid working the night shift at the 7/11 would have had a better chance.

That kid would have been smarter, if nothing else.

562 bratwurst  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:23:04am

re: #561 William Barnett-Lewis

That kid would have been smarter, if nothing else.

Remember, Angle won the GOP primary there over someone even MORE insane...the woman who suggested patients should barter livestock with their doctors to lower healthcare costs.

563 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:28:47am

re: #562 bratwurst

Remember, Angle won the GOP primary there over someone even MORE insane...the woman who suggested patients should barter livestock with their doctors to lower healthcare costs.

Sue Lowden.

564 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:30:14am

re: #544 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Soooo, there's an aryan nation parade today in DC?

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Feee speech! Occupy Wall Street! No wait!

Yeah, 300 cops showed up? Looks like it.

Probably to control any counter protesters.

565 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:36:05am

re: #556 Targetpractice

Ah, I do love it. The wingnuts have already taken two tacks to defend Willard's "tax returns." The first is to argue that the notarized letter is all we need to know about his past tax returns, because they'd have no reason to lie. The second is that it doesn't matter if he realistically paid 12.2% in taxes, because it's still more dollar amounts than most of us will pay in our lifetimes.

I think the manner in which Mitt the private equity fund manager was able to undervalue deposits of shares into his IRA to keep the contribution under $6,000 and then once they were in the IRA use his position as fund manager armed with inside information to blow up the value of those shares to waaaay beyond $6,000 is indistinguishable from insider trading.

His $100 million IRA is among the largest valued IRA's ever. It didn't get there because Mitt made was lucky and made smart investments. It got that big by him scamming the system. Someday, Mitt's tactics will be made illegal and future millionaires will bemoan how Mitt killed their cash cow.

566 danarchy  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:39:14am

re: #510 darthstar

No, but it definitely is a breed of dog associated with Mexico.

Cute breed though, the Xoloitzcuintle

Image: XoloitzcuintliCaminosFridaKahlo1.jpg

Along with the Chinese Crested, the Xolo is almost always represented in the world's ugliest dog competitions. Some of them, like the one you found a picture of can be pretty handsome, but it seems whatever genes lead to the hairlessness also contribute to bad teeth, skin conditions and funny looking tongues.

567 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:40:24am

re: #566 danarchy

but it seems whatever genes lead to the hairlessness also contribute to bad teeth, skin conditions and funny looking tongues.

Hey leave the British alone!

568 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:40:47am

re: #565 Mich-again

I think the manner in which Mitt the private equity fund manager was able to undervalue deposits of shares into his IRA to keep the contribution under $6,000 and then once they were in the IRA use his position as fund manager armed with inside information to blow up the value of those shares to waaaay beyond $6,000 is indistinguishable from insider trading.

His $100 million IRA is among the largest valued IRA's ever. It didn't get there because Mitt made was lucky and made smart investments. It got that big by him scamming the system. Someday, Mitt's tactics will be made illegal and future millionaires will bemoan how Mitt killed their cash cow.

Indeed, this entire "disclosure" reeks of measures taken to play down his wealth. Without proof that he didn't just amend past returns, the notarized letter is useless. It would be like Obama promising to release his college transcripts, but 90% of it was blacked out. Is it disclosure? Sure. Is it total? Not hardly.

569 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:47:30am
570 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:49:53am

re: #569 Gus

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Lol.

571 A Mom Anon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:50:09am

re: #569 Gus

I'm not sure whether to be disgusted or giggle hysterically. And really,white genocide in South Africa? What in the fresh hell is that about?

572 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:51:14am

re: #570 Varek Raith

Lol.

In Greece it would be a crowd of 15,000.

573 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:51:51am

re: #568 Targetpractice

Indeed, this entire "disclosure" reeks of measures taken to play down his wealth. Without proof that he didn't just amend past returns, the notarized letter is useless. It would be like Obama promising to release his college transcripts, but 90% of it was blacked out. Is it disclosure? Sure. Is it total? Not hardly.

What I take away from it is bigger than just Mitt. I think there should be a limit or a ceiling to tax write-offs for charitable contributions. If a mega-rich person owes $20 million in taxes and decides to give millions away to 501(c)(3) tax exempt organizations say for instance, ALEC, Heartland Institute, ProEnglish, etc.. than they pay millions in less in Federal taxes that support the whole USA, not just their pet charity. Its one thing for middle class people to donate a percentage of their income to charity for meager tax break. But when mega-rich direct many millions to their favorite "charity", they don't deserve the same tax break. I might think different about that if there weren't so many openly political organizations posing as non-profit charities, claiming the 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status, which is a taxpayer subsidy any way you slice it.

574 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:52:10am
575 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:54:15am

re: #574 Gus

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Predictable behavior from a spoiled rich kid. Ima taking my ball and going home unless you let me be the quarterback.

576 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:55:08am

re: #574 Gus

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HAHAHAHAHAHA

577 makeitstop  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:55:57am

re: #569 Gus

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Looks like an 'I stand with Akin' rally.

578 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:56:01am

re: #576 Varek Raith

HAHAHAHAHAHA

That explains the Grand Old Opry audience I was noticing.

579 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:56:07am

re: #576 Varek Raith

HAHAHAHAHAHA

I like how Mitt's supporters had to mooch a ride on the bus.

580 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:56:33am

re: #579 Mich-again

I like how Mitt's supporters had to mooch a ride on the bus.

47 percenters.

581 dragonath  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 10:59:33am

Huh, so the former Pittsburgh Pirates owner came out as gay. Yeah, who cares. But there's this:

“He’s like when you go to Pottery Barn and get the floor model — they have some nicks and scrapes,” joked Basilone, 31. For their contentment they have Rick Santorum, the former senator from Pennsylvania, to thank. They were fixed up by someone who worked for Santorum and whom McClatchy first got to know through his professional interactions, when he owned the Pirates, with Santorum’s Senate office.

Haha

582 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:00:09am

Palin advises Romney, 'go rogue'
Uh, he left that station some time ago....

583 A Mom Anon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:00:16am

re: #575 Mich-again

I guess this is why I'm not in charge of much,because if I had been running that show I would have told Mittens "well,that's your choice,and we'll just tell the viewers that this empty chair is empty because you threatened us with cancelling because we wouldn't play by your rules." And then I would have laid an empty suit on a hanger draped over the chair and filmed that with a disclaimer and on to our regularly scheduled programming.

But,this is why I'm not in charge of anything big,like a network.

584 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:00:51am

re: #581 dragonath

Huh, so the former Pittsburgh Pirates owner came out as gay. Yeah, who cares. But there's this:

Haha

That reminds me of Tagg Romney's "abortion clause".

585 Targetpractice  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:04:04am

re: #582 Varek Raith

Palin advises Romney, 'go rogue'
Uh, he left that station some time ago....

"Go rogue, just like I did! Not like your campaign can get any worse, right?!"

586 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:04:39am
587 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:06:03am

re: #586 Varek Raith

For the love of...

Not far from me either...
:/

588 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:07:13am
589 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:07:24am

re: #586 Varek Raith

For the love of...

What racism?

590 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:08:26am

re: #587 Varek Raith

Not far from me either...
:/

They think they are so witty.

591 Lidane  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:09:43am

re: #574 Gus

And Obama kept to the rules set by the network, with staff and local workers filling in any empty gaps.

I think it's telling that Romney couldn't find enough students on campus -- even among the conservative student groups -- to fill the room on his own.

592 Mich-again  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:11:09am

re: #583 A Mom Anon

if I had been running that show I would have told Mittens "well,that's your choice,and we'll just tell the viewers that this empty chair is empty because you threatened us with cancelling because we wouldn't play by your rules."

Which is exactly how to handle a bully.
Mitt's business experience only taught him how to negotiate from a position of strength. It got him this far but it won't help him get any farther.

593 A Mom Anon  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:13:46am

re: #586 Varek Raith

They think they're just soooo clever. I suspect we'll see more of this "humor",especially this particular"joke" before the election is over.

I know a couple African American women who have been absolutely scared to death someone is going to take shots at Obama before this is over,they were saying it during the last election season before the man even made it to the White House. It overshadowed their happiness regarding his election. I suspect they aren't alone in those fears,this kind of shit reinforces that. Honest to god,WTF is wrong with these assholes?

594 Randall Gross  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:13:47am

re: #586 Varek Raith

For the love of...

NBC picked up if you see the comments:

[Link: usnews.nbcnews.com...]

595 Randall Gross  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:15:14am

Meanwhile the real empty chairs are in Congress.

596 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:17:17am

re: #571 A Mom Anon

I'm not sure whether to be disgusted or giggle hysterically. And really,white genocide in South Africa? What in the fresh hell is that about?

Matter of crazy racist faith.

597 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:28:27am

re: #582 Varek Raith

Palin advises Romney, 'go rogue'
Uh, he left that station some time ago....

Romney couldn't go rogue to save his life, I don't think.

598 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:28:47am

Anyone want to tackle this?

599 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:32:09am

re: #593 A Mom Anon

They think they're just soooo clever. I suspect we'll see more of this "humor",especially this particular"joke" before the election is over.

I know a couple African American women who have been absolutely scared to death someone is going to take shots at Obama before this is over,they were saying it during the last election season before the man even made it to the White House. It overshadowed their happiness regarding his election. I suspect they aren't alone in those fears,this kind of shit reinforces that. Honest to god,WTF is wrong with these assholes?

I know that the parents and grandparents of the black kids at the school I was teaching at then were absolutely terrified for his safety. First day we were back in class after the elections, a kid wanted to offer a special intention for the President and his family's safety, and everyone nodded firmly.

Old memories, new fears.

600 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:32:22am

re: #598 Gus

Anyone want to tackle this?

[Embedded content]

Sure.
It's one country.
And Pakistan at that.
I can haz cookie?

601 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:33:29am

re: #598 Gus

Anyone want to tackle this?

[Embedded content]

Not really. I'm still annoyed at Dawkins for playing "Old Testament God of Wrath, New Testament God of Love" games.

602 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:36:10am

re: #600 Varek Raith

Sure.
It's one country.
And Pakistan at that.
I can haz cookie?

I just did the math. 82 percent of Pakistan's Muslim population (178,097,000) represents 9% of the global Muslim population (1.62 billion). Yes, it would get higher when you start including the other countries in the PEW poll.

603 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:37:53am

re: #594 Randall Gross

NBC picked up if you see the comments:

[Link: usnews.nbcnews.com...]

Good grief, the comments...
:/

604 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:38:25am

re: #598 Gus

Anyone want to tackle this?

[Embedded content]

Hmmm... I don't see the word moderate in the poll. However, among those who see themselves as "modernizers" are more likely to see a struggle between fundamentalists and modernizers.
Sad poll results. Especially the stoning question. Things don't look promising for the future of Egypt and Pakistan.

605 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:40:23am

re: #601 SanFranciscoZionist

Not really. I'm still annoyed at Dawkins for playing "Old Testament God of Wrath, New Testament God of Love" games.

Dawkins, HItchens, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, et al are just too bitter towards religion to be effective voices for atheists. They tend to come off as just mean.

606 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:42:19am

re: #604 Killgore Trout

Hmmm... I don't see the word moderate in the poll. However, among those who see themselves as "modernizers" are more likely to see a struggle between fundamentalists and modernizers.
Sad poll results. Especially the stoning question. Things don't look promising for the future of Egypt and Pakistan.

Change takes time.
It seems to me that too many Americans expect far too much, far too quickly.
Remember how impatient we were with the Iraqis drafting their constitution?
Took us almost a decade to sort it out. We expected them to do it in less than a year.

607 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:43:40am

re: #605 Killgore Trout

Dawkins, HItchens, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, et al are just too bitter towards religion to be effective voices for atheists. They tend to come off as just mean.

I don't know much about Hirsi Ali.

Dawkins doesn't strike me as mean so much as someone who's saying the same things a clever teenage boy does about religion, and expecting to have it treated as an important philosophical insight.

608 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:48:55am

re: #607 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know much about Hirsi Ali.

Dawkins doesn't strike me as mean so much as someone who's saying the same things a clever teenage boy does about religion, and expecting to have it treated as an important philosophical insight.

He is extremely silly on Twitter at times. I'm getting tired of divisive BS and he's only stoking the flames. It also pisses me off because people treat Dawkins as some kind of atheist-pope. Which he isn't but that's still the end result.

609 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:50:34am

re: #608 Gus

He is extremely silly on Twitter at times. I'm getting tired of divisive BS and he's only stoking the flames. It also pisses me off because people treat Dawkins as some kind of atheist-pope. Which he isn't but that's still the end result.

In that case, he needs a funny hat.

610 Gus  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 11:53:13am

re: #609 Varek Raith

In that case, he needs a funny hat.

Dawkins should stick with biology. He's not very good at this people thing.

611 abolitionist  Sat, Sep 22, 2012 12:23:40pm

re: #587 Varek Raith

Not far from me either...
:/

Centreville VA is about twice as far from the US capitol as the I495 beltway.


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