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1 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 5:53:37pm

Maybe its just me, but this sounds so fucking cold: "you're in your apartment and you have a heart attack".

2 Only The Lurker Knows  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 5:56:07pm

Health Insurance + Preventative care cheaper than a Emergency Room visit that could have been avoided if seen by a Doctor before it became a Life threatening problem.

For someone who is supposed to be such an astute Businessman, Romney is such an idiot.

3 engineer cat  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 5:57:17pm

what's the fun of running against a candidate who debunks his own positions?

4 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:08:18pm

I absolutely love how the biggest weapon in the Obama campaign's arsenal against Mitt Romney is...well...Mitt Romney. It's '04 over again, only the Dems don't have to resort to swiftboating because Romney did us the favor of trashing his own reputation.

5 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:09:14pm

Nice touch of "Tubular Bells" (The Exorcist) in the soundtrack.

6 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:09:24pm

re: #2 Bubblehead II

Pfft. That only for the productive 53%, don'tcha know.

All those lazy, shiftless losers in the 47% who depend on gubmint and who don't pay taxes can just take whatever they get from the ER and get stuck with the massive medical bills that will follow them into bankruptcy.

7 freetoken  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:10:26pm

re: #3 engineer cat

what's the fun of running against a candidate who debunks his own positions?

That's a variation on the standard gimmick for slapstick:

8 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:10:27pm

re: #4 Targetpractice

I absolutely love how the biggest weapon in the Obama campaign's arsenal against Mitt Romney is...well...Mitt Romney. It's '04 over again, only the Dems don't have to resort to swiftboating because Romney did us the favor of trashing his own reputation.

And it's '04 all over again because the Republicans are spending all their time and money running against Obama instead of making a case for Romney.

9 erik_t  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:13:36pm

re: #8 Lidane

And it's '04 all over again because the Republicans are spending all their time and money running against Obama instead of making a case for Romney.

Kerry occasionally had and stuck to positions, occasionally made a case for something instead of against something else, and was only moderately aloof.

It's not even 2004 all over again. It is, at least on the challenger's side, really 2004 distilled.

10 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:14:23pm

OT I want to see if this works. [Link: www.flickr.com...]

11 sauceruney  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:15:00pm

If I were doing shots for each time they said "stupid", I'd need to go to the emergency room (not really, but I may watch this a few more times).

12 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:15:32pm

re: #5 Decatur Deb

Nice touch of "Tubular Bells" (The Exorcist) in the soundtrack.

They also use grainy footage of Mitt to make it extra spooky. The same people who put this crap together are also selling us sodas and low financing on SUV's.

13 Tigger2005  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:15:45pm

A computer question for the lizards...I was backing up my hard drive data to an external drive preparatory to doing an OS upgrade to Windows 7, and seems like I made some kind of mistake. The system now loads the Desktop from the backup drive, instead of the Desktop on the C: drive. If I disconnect the external drive, and then try to save something to the Desktop, Windows looks for the Desktop on the H: drive and says it can't find it. How do I get it to point to the Desktop on the C: drive instead?

14 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:17:47pm

re: #13 Tigger2005

A computer question for the lizards...I was backing up my hard drive data to an external drive preparatory to doing an OS upgrade to Windows 7, and seems like I made some kind of mistake. The system now loads the Desktop from the backup drive, instead of the Desktop on the C: drive. If I disconnect the external drive, and then try to save something to the Desktop, Windows looks for the Desktop on the H: drive and says it can't find it. How do I get it to point to the Desktop on the C: drive instead?

Check your BIOS settings. There should be an area to choose the boot order.

15 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:18:33pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

They also use grainy footage of Mitt to make it extra spooky. The same people who put this crap together are also selling us sodas and low financing on SUV's.

It was nice when candidates kissed babies from the rear platforms of railroad cars, but the coal ash really was a nuisance.

16 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:19:10pm

Howdy everybody. What's the buzz?

17 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:19:34pm

re: #15 Decatur Deb

It was nice when candidates kissed babies from the rear platforms of railroad cars, but the coal ash really was a nuisance.

Mitt makes an ash of himself anyway.

18 Only The Lurker Knows  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:20:05pm

re: #1 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Maybe its just me, but this sounds so fucking cold: "you're in your apartment and you have a heart attack".

No, it's not you. This //man (and his wife) are that cold and have no clue of what it means to make the choice between seeing a Doctor and losing the paying hours at work that you need to pay the bills and put food on the table.

Not to mention having to pay full cost for any meds that are prescribed because you don't have insurance.

Mitt/Ann Romney. Total Disconnect from Reality.

19 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:21:28pm

Allah Pundit on the stupid airplane windows outrage....

How many jokes about Obama’s “57 states” have we enjoyed, right? Well, here’s the left’s version of a “57 states” gaffe:
....
Two possibilities. One: A guy with a joint degree from Harvard Law and Harvard Business, who’s made hundreds of millions of dollars through his keen grasp of business, and who’s been flying regularly for decades (imagine the amount of campaign travel in the past five years alone) somehow hasn’t figured out yet that cabins are pressurized at high altitudes. Somehow, the thousands of safety demonstrations he’s endured at the beginning of each flight, replete with the bit about maybe needing oxygen masks if something goes wrong, just didn’t sink in. Hopefully one of his 10-year-old grandchildren can pull him aside and explain the basics before he ups and opens the cabin door on his next flight so that he can get some fresh air.

Two: He’s being misunderstood. Obviously you can’t open the windows at high altitudes, but suffocating to death from smoke inhalation due to a fire in the cabin seems “sub-optimal” too. But what if … the windows could be opened at low altitudes? The pilot could bring the plane down to a few thousand feet (a la skydivers) to reduce the pressure differential and then a few windows could be opened to flush out the smoke and save the passengers’ lives. Could that be what Mitt Romney, Harvard grad, tycoon, and frequent air traveler, meant? Or is he already secretly planning to build the world’s first jumbo jet with a convertible top, so that you can pop the lid and feel the breeze in your hair at 35,000 feet? I hope someone in the media gets to the bottom of this quick, because there are a lot of bloggers out there tonight who seem genuinely unsure.

20 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:21:41pm

re: #18 Bubblehead II

No, it's not you. This //man (and his wife) are that cold and have no clue of what it means to make the choice between seeing a Doctor and losing the paying hours at work that you need to pay the bills and put food on the table.

Not to mention having to pay full cost for any meds that are prescribed because you don't have insurance.

Mitt/Ann Romney. Total Disconnect from Reality.

assuming you can pay for them because the job you go to barely pays enough to put food on the table and pay rent, much less pay for meds.

21 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:21:59pm

re: #13 Tigger2005

A computer question for the lizards...I was backing up my hard drive data to an external drive preparatory to doing an OS upgrade to Windows 7, and seems like I made some kind of mistake. The system now loads the Desktop from the backup drive, instead of the Desktop on the C: drive. If I disconnect the external drive, and then try to save something to the Desktop, Windows looks for the Desktop on the H: drive and says it can't find it. How do I get it to point to the Desktop on the C: drive instead?

We need a bit more info.
Have you installed Win7?
Can you boot up without the external drive connected?
What do you mean by save to the desktop? Are you actually saving a file to the desktop folder?

22 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:22:35pm

re: #16 Mr. Crankypants

Howdy everybody. What's the buzz?

It's not buzzing. That's Romneybot's fans running at full blast to keep him from overheating. Word has it that he might beginning to develop an emotion, with most folks betting on it being "despair."

23 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:22:35pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Allah Pundit on the stupid airplane windows outrage....

More like Mitt Romney is a @#$@$% idiot.

24 freetoken  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:23:13pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Allah Pundit on the stupid airplane windows outrage....

Ok, we'll just stick with Mitt's expertise in nuclear weapons....

25 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:23:15pm

re: #22 Targetpractice

It's not buzzing. That's Romneybot's fans running at full blast to keep him from overheating. Word has it that he might beginning to develop an emotion, with most folks betting on it being "despair."

I keep waiting for him to come out wearing a propeller beanie with a heatsink.

26 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:23:31pm

re: #16 Mr. Crankypants

Howdy everybody. What's the buzz?

Planes need to have windows that roll down. You know, so you can add more oxygen to the cabin when there's a fire.

27 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:23:53pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Allah Pundit on the stupid airplane windows outrage....

Sounds like Allahpundit is a secret fan.

28 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:24:22pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Allah Pundit on the stupid airplane windows outrage....

What, they didn't default to "It's a joke, you humorless liberals!"?

29 jaunte  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:24:39pm

Romney looks a lot paler than he did on Univision.

30 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:25:45pm

re: #24 freetoken

Ok, we'll just stick with Mitt's expertise in nuclear weapons....

That might have been a better target but the legitimate criticisms get lost in the deluge of nonsense.

31 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:25:47pm

re: #28 Targetpractice

What, they didn't default to "It's a joke, you humorless liberals!"?

Because humor has a liberal bias.

32 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:25:47pm

re: #28 Targetpractice

What, they didn't default to "It's a joke, you humorless liberals!"?

That's the next step, once the Baghdad Bob routine wears off.

33 erik_t  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:25:50pm

re: #24 freetoken

Ok, we'll just stick with Mitt's expertise in nuclear weapons....

I'd prefer to stick with his expertise in cold fusion.

Christ, that man is a better imitation of a moron than W was.

34 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:26:06pm

When you're auditioning for President, and you don't have to say something that's six-ways stupid, don't say it.

35 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:26:10pm

re: #29 jaunte

Romney looks a lot paler than he did on Univision.

Lighting.

36 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:26:22pm

re: #33 erik_t

I'd prefer to stick with his expertise in cold fusion.

Christ, that man is a better imitation of a moron than W was.

um....W was the genuine article.

37 freetoken  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:26:41pm

re: #33 erik_t

But... but... but... he's made hundreds of millions of dollars, which mean's he's not only right but picked by God.

38 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:27:40pm

re: #37 freetoken

But... but... but... he's made hundreds of millions of dollars, which mean's he's not only right but picked by God.

Madonna has made a lot of money. I don't want her for President either.

39 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:27:44pm

re: #27 Decatur Deb

Sounds like Allahpundit is a secret fan.

He's always been a little tough to figure out. I'm sure he rationalizes some sort of connection to the wingnuts but I think he does it mostly for the paycheck. Much of the time I get the vibe that he's mocking his readers.

40 Only The Lurker Knows  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:27:44pm

re: #20 Mr. Crankypants

assuming you can pay for them because the job you go to barely pays enough to put food on the table and pay rent, much less pay for meds.

Yep, but hey, who needs insurance?

/// The free market will bring those prices down so everyone can afford them.

41 Mattand  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:29:05pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Allah Pundit on the stupid airplane windows outrage....

Oh bullshit. It's not a make-or-break reason to not vote for him, but seriously; he's a college educated guy who has been travelling on airplanes all of his life. It's incredibly worrisome that someone who wants to be president is that dense.

And just to kill your pet MBF; Obama, at no time, has ever thought there were 57 states.

42 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:29:17pm

Had an argument with a FB friend today. It's struck me that the majority of the GOPers who object to Obama object to him as a person, not because of anything he's done or is likely to do. When I hated Bush, it wasn't because he was an incurious moron, it was because he made a lot of really bad decisions which hurt this country deeply. I supported those decisions until it turned out they were based on lies and misleading propoganda.

43 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:29:29pm

Yet to figure out how the size of one's bank account in any way correlates with one's IQ. I got into an argument the other day with somebody telling me how "successful" Romney has been because of the wealth he has to give to "charity." Yet all I can see is another rich kid who grew up to be a rich guy because he had daddy's name as a meal ticket.

44 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:31:55pm

re: #43 Targetpractice

Yet to figure out how the size of one's bank account in any way correlates with one's IQ. I got into an argument the other day with somebody telling me how "successful" Romney has been because of the wealth he has to give to "charity." Yet all I can see is another rich kid who grew up to be a rich guy because he had daddy's name as a meal ticket.

If anyone ever says "But you must be really, really smart to make all that money" I have two words: Donald. Trump.

It is true that the richest man in America, Bill Gates, got there because of his brain power. But the Waltons? Fuggedaboudit.

45 freetoken  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:34:26pm

I wonder how the Romney campaign will work at this one:

Christian conservatives to gather at 'Restoring America Conference'

46 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:34:45pm

re: #41 Mattand

And just to kill your pet MBF; Obama, at no time, has ever thought there were 57 states.

...and Mitt knows you can't let passengers open their windows at 30,000 feet. I know Mother Jones, DKos and think progress tell you the man is a sociopath and a moron but he's probably. He's probably not even a mean person. Just another politician running a shitty campaign under shitty circumstances which he has little chance of winning. There's no need to turn him into a cartoonish super villain of retardeness.
/Well, you can do that if you feel it's politically advantageous for you but if you actually believe it then you're a moron.

47 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:34:57pm

My favorite Adsense ad that showed up today for me at LGF - the Brooklyn Pork Emporium, featuring the Sausage King. Or something like that. It was porkalicious.

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:35:46pm

re: #26 Lidane

Planes need to have windows that roll down. You know, so you can add more oxygen to the cabin when there's a fire.

What was his tone of voice? I mean, was he kidding, or does he seriously not get why plane windows don't open?

49 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:36:49pm

re: #47 Charles Johnson

My favorite Adsense ad that showed up today for me at LGF - the Brooklyn Pork Emporium, featuring the Sausage King. Or something like that. It was porkalicious.

Trouble brewing on the horizon
Porkocalypse: Next Year May Bring a Worldwide Bacon Shortage

50 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:37:31pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

What was his tone of voice? I mean, was he kidding, or does he seriously not get why plane windows don't open?

It's a stupid and fake outrageous outrage.

51 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:37:40pm

re: #10 PhillyPretzel

OT I want to see if this works. [Link: www.flickr.com...]

yeah, but it wasnt exciting

52 gwangung  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:37:53pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

...and Mitt knows you can't let passengers open their windows at 30,000 feet.

Given his brain farts on cold fusion and dirty bombs, I have my doubts.

It's not clear he has any grasp of anything outside of finance.

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:38:05pm

re: #38 Decatur Deb

Madonna has made a lot of money. I don't want her for President either.

What about Oprah? I don't think Stedman would do well as hostess, but Gayle could act as First Lady.

54 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:38:49pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

...and Mitt knows you can't let passengers open their windows at 30,000 feet. I know Mother Jones, DKos and think progress tell you the man is a sociopath and a moron but he's probably. He's probably not even a mean person. Just another politician running a shitty campaign under shitty circumstances which he has little chance of winning. There's no need to turn him into a cartoonish super villain of retardeness.
/Well, you can do that if you feel it's politically advantageous for you but if you actually believe it then you're a moron.

I don't know what he knows, but what he seems to have said was not only very stupid, but totally unnecessary. If you want to represent the free world, you have to have control of your wordstream.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:39:16pm

re: #44 Sheila Brovlofski

If anyone ever says "But you must be really, really smart to make all that money" I have two words: Donald. Trump.

It is true that the richest man in America, Bill Gates, got there because of his brain power. But the Waltons? Fuggedaboudit.

The Waltons, or at least Sam, I assume to be fairly clever...but mostly cheap.

56 Only The Lurker Knows  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:39:43pm

Night Lizards. May the Deity of YOUR CHOICE smile down upon you. See you tomorrow.

57 Mattand  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:39:45pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

...and Mitt knows you can't let passengers open their windows at 30,000 feet.

His question as to why the airplane windows don't open contradicts that.

I know Mother Jones, DKos and think progress tell you the man is a sociopath and a moron but he's probably. He's probably not even a mean person. Just another politician running a shitty campaign under shitty circumstances which he has little chance of winning. There's no need to turn him into a cartoonish super villain of retardeness.
/Well, you can do that if you feel it's politically advantageous for you but if you actually believe it then you're a moron.

Which part of my statement "It's not a make-or-break reason not to vote for him" did you not get?

58 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:39:48pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Cartoonish super-villain, no. But when I try to put myself in the place of someone who would say, "Poor people can always just get an ambulance from their apartments to the emergency room," I just can't. It's hard for me to even imagine thinking like that -- to consider this a good answer to a question about universal health care.

He's no monster, but there's a reason why people often describe him with robotic metaphors. He represents the cul de sac of Republican politics.

59 erik_t  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:40:33pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

There's no need to turn him into a cartoonish super villain of retardeness.
/Well, you can do that if you feel it's politically advantageous for you but if you actually believe it then you're a moron.

Whether the man is stupid or merely acts the part, he's very convincing. Given how foreign policy distractions and the like work, a man who has a frequent and robust ability to shove his stepping appendage through his synergistic air/food-intake orifice belongs nowhere near the office he seeks.

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:40:39pm

re: #50 Killgore Trout

It's a stupid and fake outrageous outrage.

I'm not outraged. He's not running for chief engineer. I'm mildly baffled.

61 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:40:55pm

re: #49 Killgore Trout

Trouble brewing on the horizon
Porkocalypse: Next Year May Bring a Worldwide Bacon Shortage

I live at the source of all porky goodness so I'm not going to worry. One of the few great things about living in Iowa.

62 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:41:29pm

re: #54 Decatur Deb

I don't know what he knows, but what he seems to have said was not only very stupid, but totally unnecessary. If you want to represent the free world, you have to have control of your wordstream.

I found the way G.H.W. Bush babbled sometimes kind of charming, but I was like 12.

And let me say in conclusion, thanks for the kids. I learned an awful lot about bathtub toys — about how to work the telephone. One guy knows — several of them know their own phone numbers — preparation to go to the dentist. A lot of things I'd forgotten. So it's been a good day.

63 freetoken  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:41:50pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not outraged. He's not running for chief engineer. I'm mildly baffled.

I'm wondering, given the whole series of rather stupid statements on his part the past month or so, if he's not breaking down, in one of those slow-motion self-destruction type of things.

64 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:41:57pm

To paraphrase a wise man, "I wouldn't say Romney's an evil genius. I'm not sure he's evil, and I'm not sure he's a genius."

65 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:42:15pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not outraged. He's not running for chief engineer. I'm mildly baffled.

He wants to appoint the next head of the Federal Aviation Administration.

66 funky chicken  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:43:30pm

re: #50 Killgore Trout

It's a stupid and fake outrageous outrage.

Honey, nobody's outraged but you. We're amused.

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:43:39pm

A dear friend of mine once revealed that she thought that the snow in Boston tasted salty because it came from the sky that way. She hadn't realized they were salting the roads.

She's quite a successful businesswoman, has two kids, and is not generally out of touch with reality.

68 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:43:41pm

This one of Bush senior's is actually beautiful in its own way.

If a frog had wings, he wouldn't hit his tail on the ground. Too hypothetical.

69 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:43:54pm

re: #42 Mr. Crankypants

Had an argument with a FB friend today. It's struck me that the majority of the GOPers who object to Obama object to him as a person, not because of anything he's done or is likely to do. When I hated Bush, it wasn't because he was an incurious moron, it was because he made a lot of really bad decisions which hurt this country deeply. I supported those decisions until it turned out they were based on lies and misleading propoganda.

exactly. the bolded part of your comment is why we look at these people with side-eye. they are coming from somewhere else. brainwashed? or?

70 gwangung  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:43:58pm

re: #63 freetoken

I'm wondering, given the whole series of rather stupid statements on his part the past month or so, if he's not breaking down, in one of those slow-motion self-destruction type of things.

Or that he's not responding well under pressure. That's not a good sign in a presidential candidate.

71 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:44:32pm

re: #65 Decatur Deb

He wants to appoint the next head of the Federal Aviation Administration.

True, but I'm not sure that understanding how planes work is necessary for that.

72 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:45:05pm

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

True, but I'm not sure that understanding how planes work is necessary for that.

It'd be nicer.

73 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:46:01pm

re: #72 Decatur Deb

It'd be nicer.

Couldn't hurt!

74 erik_t  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:46:14pm

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

True, but I'm not sure that understanding how planes work is necessary for that.

Romney at least needs to know the things he doesn't know. Which, again, off-the-cuff comments about the magic of cold fusion are exactly in this vein but are a lot more concerning.

75 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:46:25pm

re: #70 gwangung

Or that he's not responding well under pressure. That's not a good sign in a presidential candidate.

That's my general theory. Considering the way he acted after the "47%" video came out and since then, I'm getting the impression the pressure is beginning to get to him. He's not cracked yet, but I'm worried that a bad debate performance or two may finally snap him.

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:46:49pm

re: #72 Decatur Deb

It'd be nicer.

Well, a president can't be an expert in everything he appoints someone to run. OTOH, I think most fourth-graders can explain the windows-on-a-plane problem somewhat clearly.

Maybe not. I'll run it by my seniors tomorrow.

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:47:13pm

re: #74 erik_t

Romney at least needs to know the things he doesn't know. Which, again, off-the-cuff comments about the magic of cold fusion are exactly in this vein but are a lot more concerning.

Well, yeah, that one concerns me more.

78 funky chicken  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:47:25pm

I'm not sure if hospital CFOs will be outraged, bemused, or amused by Romney's declaration that the uninsured should utilize emergency rooms for their health care needs. Perhaps the AHA will weigh in over the next few days.

79 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:47:34pm

re: #50 Killgore Trout

Who's outraged? I'm too busy laughing about it to be outraged.

80 jamesfirecat  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:47:35pm

re: #68 Obdicut

This one of Bush senior's is actually beautiful in its own way.

I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them.

81 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:47:48pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not outraged. He's not running for chief engineer. I'm mildly baffled.

We have serious problems that can only be dealt with through an understanding of science. While there should be no expectation Romney is completely science savvy, there should be an expectation that he can understand enough fundamentals of science at this point to debate climate change.

82 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:47:48pm

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

True, but I'm not sure that understanding how planes work is necessary for that.

Nobody actually knows. There are two main theories of how airplanes fly, one using Bernoulli, the other using Newton. There's a lot of minor theories, too.

83 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:48:01pm

I'm pretty sure I knew that it was a bad idea to open a window on an airplane in flight at a very young age. Call me precocious.

84 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:48:55pm

re: #63 freetoken

I'm wondering, given the whole series of rather stupid statements on his part the past month or so, if he's not breaking down, in one of those slow-motion self-destruction type of things.

Its hard.

85 jaunte  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:48:58pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

I trusted that the screens would keep us all from blowing out.

86 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:49:02pm

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, a president can't be an expert in everything he appoints someone to run. OTOH, I think most fourth-graders can explain the windows-on-a-plane problem somewhat clearly.

Maybe not. I'll run it by my seniors tomorrow.

When someone packs me in a can and throws me six miles into the air, I want to have a basic knowledge of the guiding principle. But I'm just naturally curious.

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:49:33pm

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, yeah, that one concerns me more.

With this, I wonder if he was just freaked out enough about Ann that he just started babbling.

88 bratwurst  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:49:44pm

re: #37 freetoken

But... but... but... he's made hundreds of millions of dollars, which mean's he's not only right but picked by God.

AKA the Donald Trump story!

89 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:49:49pm

re: #51 We're All Welfare Queens Now

yeah, but it wasnt exciting

I guess that depends on how much you like LL Bean

90 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:49:59pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

I'm pretty sure I knew that it was a bad idea to open a window on an airplane in flight at a very young age. Call me precocious.

And if you knew that it was a bad idea to add oxygen to a fire, you're that much smarter. Heh.

91 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:50:11pm

re: #78 funky chicken

I'm not sure if hospital CFOs will be outraged, bemused, or amused by Romney's declaration that the uninsured should utilize emergency rooms for their health care needs. Perhaps the AHA will weigh in over the next few days.

There's already some outrage by some number of emergency room physicians. Check Memorandum, I think.

92 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:50:48pm

re: #5 Decatur Deb

Nice touch of "Tubular Bells" (The Exorcist) in the soundtrack.

That would be a nice touch, but that music isn't "Tubular Bells".

93 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:51:30pm

re: #83 Charles Johnson

I'm pretty sure I knew that it was a bad idea to open a window on an airplane in flight at a very young age. Call me precocious.

I always kinda got the impression, after seeing more than one action movie where a guy fires a gun on a plane and half the fuselage rips off, that a hole in a pressurized plane flying at altitude is a bad thing. Granted, I learned later in life via the Mythbusters that such a thing can't happen, but Hollywood never seems worried about the physics of half the things they do.

94 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:51:30pm

re: #78 funky chicken

I'm not sure if hospital CFOs will be outraged, bemused, or amused by Romney's declaration that the uninsured should utilize emergency rooms for their health care needs.

I think it will be some combination of all three.

95 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:51:30pm

re: #74 erik_t

Romney at least needs to know the things he doesn't know. Which, again, off-the-cuff comments about the magic of cold fusion are exactly in this vein but are a lot more concerning.

It indicates he's completely science ignorant at a time when a large part of the US's future economic well being is science based.

96 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:51:32pm

re: #92 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

That would be a nice touch, but that music isn't "Tubular Bells".

No, but I hear echoes of it in there.

97 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:52:17pm

re: #69 We're All Welfare Queens Now

exactly. the bolded part of your comment is why we look at these people with side-eye. they are coming from somewhere else. brainwashed? or?

I think it comes down to the the triumph of belief over experience. The modern GOP has abandoned empirical evidence in favor of confirming their prejudices.

98 Comrade Mary  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:52:25pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout (quoting Allah Pundit)

But what if … the windows could be opened at low altitudes? The pilot could bring the plane down to a few thousand feet (a la skydivers) to reduce the pressure differential and then a few windows could be opened to flush out the smoke and save the passengers’ lives. Could that be what Mitt Romney, Harvard grad, tycoon, and frequent air traveler, meant?

Let's assume the pilot can bring the aircraft low enough fast enough to permit this manoeuvre. So what's the minimum speed a passenger jet must travel at in order to stay aloft? A quick Google suggested 160 mph, but the odds are good someone here knows a better answer.

But I suspect the speed is significantly higher than highway speeds in a car, where this passenger has always found that a lot of air rushes IN at high speed. A stationary car would be more likely release smoke from its open windows, as would a car travelling at moderate speed. A jet travelling over twice highway speed? It seems more likely the air and oxygen rushing in, in addition to potentially making the aircraft harder to control as the aerodynamics of the craft would be upset, would cause a flash fire.

And according to this discussion at The Straight Dope, a sudden inflow of oxygen inside a burning plane can have tragic consequences:

Consider as an example Air Canada Flight 797. This flight had a slow smouldering fire that started under the rear lavatory. The cabin filled with smoke. The pilots managed to make an emergency landing despite the smoke and losing electrical power and most of their flight instruments. When the doors were opened to let the passengers out, the sudden influx of oxygen caused a flashover that turned the cabin into an inferno.

Had it been possible to open the windows in flight, the plane would probably have burst into flames and crashed with a loss of all lives. As it was, about half the people onboard managed to make it out before the flashover.

If you want to help prevent deaths from fires on airplanes, work on controlling ignition sources and making airplane contents less flammable. If the plane is so full of smoke that people can't breathe, it's probably already to late to save them.

Anyway, I think Romney was trying to make a joke in his usal hamhanded way. I think he knows that you can't open the windows at altitude, but I hope to God that he wasn't considering the option of opening the windows at a lower altitude. He does tend to blunder into things arrogantly and cluelessly, though, doesn't he?

99 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:52:30pm

re: #95 reflections of a raging redneck

It indicates he's completely science ignorant at a time when a large part of the US's future economic well being is science based.

Question, of course, is it willful ignorance or not. I do seriously wonder if the man is acting dumb or not.

100 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:52:31pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

Really, the cold fusion is a much more important fuckup, especially when combined with his AGW denial. That sort of "Don't worry, science will save our ass, even though we're attacking them constantly and cutting their budgets and claiming that they're a bunch of fraudulent liars" is really annoying.

101 freetoken  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:53:06pm

re: #95 reflections of a raging redneck

I don't expect a President to know everything.

I do expect a President to know that he doesn't know everything, and thus ought to have as his first rule of thumb to find the smart people who know how to answer the question of the moment.

102 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:53:06pm

re: #96 Decatur Deb

No, but I hear echoes of it in there.

Yeah, I reread your post. I originally thought it said "nice touch, having 'Tubular Bells' in the soundtrack", but I now see what you meant.

103 BongCrodny  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:55:27pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not outraged. He's not running for chief engineer. I'm mildly baffled.

I'm not outraged by what Romney said, but I'll confess to being completely baffled by people attempting to explain it away.

104 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:55:43pm

re: #101 freetoken

I don't expect a President to know everything.

I do expect a President to know that he doesn't know everything, and thus ought to have as his first rule of thumb to find the smart people who know how to answer the question of the moment.

Bingo. And just shut up if you're not talking about dressage.

105 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:55:43pm

re: #98 Comrade Mary

If there's a fire onboard a plane, trying to fly low enough to open a window to blow the fire out seems like probably the worst possible idea.

106 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:56:13pm

Damn I hate the regionally targeted ads on YouTube! I end up having to watch the same political commercials over and over for days before a new one comes along.

Right now it is the one where Marco Rubio explains how I have to give up my future Medicare so that his 81 year old grandmother wont die, and that only Romney/Ryan have a plan to really "save" Medicare...

107 erik_t  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:56:17pm

re: #82 Obdicut

Nobody actually knows. There are two main theories of how airplanes fly, one using Bernoulli, the other using Newton. There's a lot of minor theories, too.

F=dL/dt

What, you want more?

108 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:56:46pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Allah Pundit on the stupid airplane windows outrage....

Outrage!

Image: Romney-777.jpg

WTMTP

109 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:57:03pm

re: #70 gwangung

Or that he's not responding well under pressure. That's not a good sign in a presidential candidate.

Its definitely a sign of someone who has always had it easy, based on their name & their $.

He along with others in history had the perfect projectory, but landed at the wrong time. Today the talk is 99% vs 1%, we are not worshipping the wealthy. Trump longs for those 1980 days.

110 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:57:07pm

re: #98 Comrade Mary

Anyway, I think Romney was trying to make a joke in his usal hamhanded way. I think he knows that you can't open the windows at altitude, but I hope to God that he wasn't considering the option of opening the windows at a lower altitude. He does tend to blunder into things arrogantly and cluelessly, though, doesn't he?

I think the bolded is really the meat of this, namely that if it is him trying to make it a joke, then it's fallen flat because he's underestimating the intelligence of the average voter. Like I said above, most of us have seen enough movies to have an instinctive fear of any sized hole in a pressurized airliner flying at altitude. Trying to approach us as thought we're a bunch of slack-jawed yokels, if that's what he's doing, is not just a gaffe, it's an outright insult.

111 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:57:15pm

re: #107 erik_t

F=dL/dt

What, you want more?

I like the one where they just repel the ground.

112 Comrade Mary  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:57:46pm

re: #105 Charles Johnson

Yep. I was trying to enumerate all the badness comprehensively. Oh Lord, I really hope that Allah Pundit really wasn't channelling Romney.

113 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:58:11pm

re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist

The Waltons, or at least Sam, I assume to be fairly clever...but mostly cheap.

The Waltons are supremely creepy. They are the 7th Most Horrific Boss of All Time.

114 erik_t  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 6:58:53pm

re: #111 Decatur Deb

I like the one where they just repel the ground.

That's how helos work. So ugly that Mother Earth pushes them away in disgust.

115 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:00:43pm

re: #114 erik_t

That's how helos work. So ugly that Mother Earth pushes them away in disgust.

I thought it was because they beat the air into submission?

116 erik_t  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:01:21pm

re: #115 Targetpractice

I thought it was because they beat the air into submission?

Blades spin around loudly, ugly monster goes up. You can't explain that.

117 Mattand  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:01:36pm

re: #98 Comrade Mary

Anyway, I think Romney was trying to make a joke in his usal hamhanded way. I think he knows that you can't open the windows at altitude, but I hope to God that he wasn't considering the option of opening the windows at a lower altitude. He does tend to blunder into things arrogantly and cluelessly, though, doesn't he?

re: #110 Targetpractice

I think the bolded is really the meat of this, namely that if it is him trying to make it a joke, then it's fallen flat because he's underestimating the intelligence of the average voter. Like I said above, most of us have seen enough movies to have an instinctive fear of any sized hole in a pressurized airliner flying at altitude. Trying to approach us as thought we're a bunch of slack-jawed yokels, if that's what he's doing, is not just a gaffe, it's an outright insult.

To be honest, I hadn't considered he was joking. In my defense, at least in public, his grasp of comedy is a little shaky. In addition, his recent chronic attack of athlete's tongue does nothing to dispel that notion.

118 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:02:05pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not outraged. He's not running for chief engineer. I'm mildly baffled.

KT is just using the word "outrage" as a red herring. No one I know of feels "outrage" at Mitt's airplane gaffe. What they do feel, I think, is that if he's really this clueless then maybe that's just one more of a multitude of reasons why he shouldn't be running the country.

119 Irving  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:03:06pm

I'm actually fairly sympathetic - when you're functioning on very little sleep and engaged in what has to be one of the most stressful activities imaginable, stupid things will, on occasion, come out of your mouth.

It's the things that Mitt Romney's said which he has, in fact, thought about that really worry me.

120 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:03:45pm

re: #118 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

KT is just using the word "outrage" as a red herring. No one I know of feels "outrage" at Mitt's airplane gaffe. What they do feel, I think, is that if he's really this clueless then maybe that's just one more of a multitude of reasons why he shouldn't be running the country.

and....KT is trolling againnnnnnn

bbl

121 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:03:48pm

re: #107 erik_t

F=dL/dt

What, you want more?

God sends a host of tiny angels to bear up the wings. How many angels exactly is a problem that remains to be solved, once our best minds have dealt with the head-of-a-pin problem.

122 Mattand  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:03:51pm

re: #119 Irving

I'm actually fairly sympathetic - when you're functioning on very little sleep and engaged in what has to be one of the most stressful activities imaginable, stupid things will, on occasion, come out of your mouth.

It's the things that Mitt Romney's said which he has, in fact, thought about that really worry me.

Well, he can always change his mind later.

123 gwangung  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:05:30pm

re: #119 Irving

I'm actually fairly sympathetic - when you're functioning on very little sleep and engaged in what has to be one of the most stressful activities imaginable, stupid things will, on occasion, come out of your mouth.

Yes, but he doesn't seem to be handling the multiple
stupid things he's been saying with any grace at all.

124 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:05:41pm

re: #117 Mattand

re: #110 Targetpractice

To be honest, I hadn't considered he was joking. In my defense, at least in public, his grasp of comedy is a little shaky. In addition, his recent chronic attack of athlete's tongue does nothing to dispel that notion.

I've said before that I can't help, when looking at Romney and gaffes such as this, and think of Bush Sr marveling at the barcode reader at a checkout line in '92, when they'd been in use since the 70s. It's that image of a clueless rich guy who's been so wrapped up his own little cocoon that he's totally walled off from the things we take for granted.

125 erik_t  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:06:30pm

re: #118 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

What they do feel, I think, is that if he's really this clueless then maybe that's just one more of a multitude of reasons why he shouldn't be running the country.

Do I feel like Eric Forman's father truly considered him a stupid person? No, he was probably as intelligent as most other 25-year-old Wisconsin high school students. But he did exhibit judgment well below his station in life as a relatively intelligent adult, saying and doing things abruptly and without due consideration, thus putting himself in unpleasant but entirely avoidable situations.

Sounds kinda like Mittens, right?

Dumbass.

126 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:09:37pm

re: #100 Obdicut

Really, the cold fusion is a much more important fuckup, especially when combined with his AGW denial. That sort of "Don't worry, science will save our ass, even though we're attacking them constantly and cutting their budgets and claiming that they're a bunch of fraudulent liars" is really annoying.

When you put it that way they sound just like the politicians in Atlas Shrugged...never occurred to me before that they are actually becoming the "bad guys" from Ayn Rand's books...

127 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:09:42pm

re: #125 erik_t

Do I feel like Eric Forman's father truly considered him a stupid person? No, he was probably as intelligent as most other 25-year-old Wisconsin high school students. But he did exhibit judgment well below his station in life as a relatively intelligent adult, saying and doing things abruptly and without due consideration, thus putting himself in unpleasant but entirely avoidable situations.

Sounds kinda like Mittens, right?

Dumbass.

Now you've got me wondering what the average intelligence of a 25-year-old high-school student would be.

128 Irving  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:09:54pm

re: #123 gwangung

Yes, but he doesn't seem to be handling the multiple
stupid things he's been saying with any grace at all.

True that. Obama's mastered the knack of directly confronting his "mistakes" - real or manufactured - in public without looking weak. And of course, the President learned long, long ago not to think with his mouth open. If Romney had enough charm and courage to say "Lord, I was tired and that was stupid" in public, he would do himself a lot of good. Of course, he won't.

129 funky chicken  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:11:48pm

re: #84 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Its hard.

WE SHOULD BE GRATEFUL HE'S WILLING TO RUN THE COUNTRY!

/good heavens

130 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:13:36pm

re: #119 Irving

I'm actually fairly sympathetic - when you're functioning on very little sleep and engaged in what has to be one of the most stressful activities imaginable, stupid things will, on occasion, come out of your mouth.

It's the things that Mitt Romney's said which he has, in fact, thought about that really worry me.

ER doctors are not known for saying stupid things.

131 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:13:39pm

re: #126 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

When you put it that way they sound just like the politicians in Atlas Shrugged...never occurred to me before that they are actually becoming the "bad guys" from Ayn Rand's books...

Yep. The real wellspring of wealth and power is technology. It always has been. Basic science research is the most important part of that. Applied is important too, but applied has all kinds of incentives for it-- namely, getting really rich. Basic science is vital, and yet not of any direct value. It's just what everyone mooches off of to create things of value.

132 gwangung  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:14:10pm

re: #128 Irving

True that. Obama's mastered the knack of directly confronting his "mistakes" - real or manufactured - in public without looking weak. And of course, the President learned long, long ago not to think with his mouth open. If Romney had enough charm and courage to say "Lord, I was tired and that was stupid" in public, he would do himself a lot of good. Of course, he won't.

Hell, YES.

133 funky chicken  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:14:29pm

re: #116 erik_t

Blades spin around loudly, ugly monster goes up. You can't explain that.

That's how computers work, right?

134 Irving  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:15:10pm

re: #130 Sheila Brovlofski

They also aren't operating every single waking minute, but a Presidential candidate is constantly being recorded - again, much to Mitt's dismay.

135 darthstar  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:16:08pm

I'm waiting for someone to do a hip-hop mashup with Ann's pissed off "Stop it. This is hard. You want to try it? Get in the ring." So angry, so ready to rip someone's head off and shit down their neck...everything you think about when someone says "FLOTUS"...

136 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:17:41pm

re: #133 funky chicken

That's how computers work, right?

No, I think it's actually squirrels on a treadmill.

Or is that automobile engines? I can't remember. Technology is so confusing.

137 Kaessa  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:19:07pm

re: #128 Irving

If Romney had enough charm and courage to say "Lord, I was tired and that was stupid" in public, he would do himself a lot of good. Of course, he won't.

No, he'll either completely ignore it, or double down on the stupid. He's been doing a lot of the latter lately.

138 funky chicken  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:19:35pm

But yeah, the Romney campaign's use of "bumps in the road" and the "let the poors use the ERs" are actually kind of outrageous, and should elicit outrage, IMHO. I don't think the foreign service folks are gonna be super impressed, and I don't think people familiar with healthcare financing will be either.

139 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:22:06pm

re: #134 Irving

They also aren't operating every single waking minute, but a Presidential candidate is constantly being recorded - again, much to Mitt's dismay.

ER docs work very long shifts with little to no sleep and have to make life-and-death decisions. Mitt Romney has a more laid back campaign schedule than John McCain had in 2008.

140 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:22:50pm

Gotta love Allahpundit's logic here. Maybe it's a good idea to have remote operated windows on an airliner? Seriously? Airliner windows are designed to withstand structural pressure at flights of 40,000 feet give or take. That would require an additional amount of electronics, metal, and mile of cabling that would add significant weight to the aircraft. Let alone the safety consideration of having open windows in the passenger area. What are they going to do put screen on the outside of that.

Derp.

Image: air_diagram_1.jpg

141 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:23:38pm

Mitt Romney, the gift that keeps on giving (to the Dems)

142 Mich-again  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:24:00pm

I feel bad for the writers at The Onion, their satire has to somehow outdo the things Mitt actually said for laughs.

143 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:24:04pm

re: #140 Gus

Gotta love Allahpundit's logic here.

Your first mistake was putting Allahpundit and logic in the same sentence. Heh.

144 Mich-again  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:25:40pm

I bet there are windows that open in the Romney's horse's airplane.

145 freetoken  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:25:55pm

re: #140 Gus

Gotta love Allahpundit's logic here.

Anyone who is in cahoots with the (hard theocratic) owners of Salem Communications ought not be taken too seriously, as far as logic or engineering or science (or pretty much anything) is concerned.

146 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:27:16pm

re: #142 Mich-again

I feel bad for the writers at The Onion, their satire has to somehow outdo the things Mitt actually said for laughs.

I'm still trying to figure out how they'd satire him if he became POTUS.

They do a pretty good job with Obama, using the RWNJ memes about him to great effect. And the way they portray Biden as a sort of goofy but sincere guy that does dumb shit like hitchhike to the DNC and get banned from Dave & Buster's is funny. Ryan and Romney? I don't see it.

147 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:27:51pm

re: #145 freetoken

Anyone who is in cahoots with the (hard theocratic) owners of Salem Communications ought not be taken too seriously, as far as logic or engineering or science (or pretty much anything) is concerned.

Yep. An atheist with a pseudonym that mocks Islam working for a Christian fundamentalist media outfit... makes sense. I bet they pay him 100 grand a year to write that drivel.

148 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:32:01pm

I could bash Willard all day everyday, but the truth is every dumb thing he has said has been him reciting articles of faith among the GOP base. Sounding like the GOP base means any body running for President as the GOP nominee is going to sound stupid, crazy, dishonest or cruel to everybody outside of the crazy 27% on a regular basis.

A man who pushed for, got passed and signed into law a universal health system while governor does not believe that the ER is a sufficient form of universal health care. There where plenty of ERs in Mass while he was governor and he decided that it wasn't enough. So I guess out of stupid, crazy, dishonest and cruel, this time we'll have to go with Mitt being dishonest.

He's a terrible candidate, but given the current state of people who make up the GOP base it couldn't be any other way. Nobody could appeal to the GOP base and enough of everyone else at the same time to win. NOBODY.

149 jaunte  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:32:26pm

re: #119 Irving

It's the things that Mitt Romney's said which he has, in fact, thought about that really worry me.

I'm still amazed by him thinking he could run for president while pretending he was never governor of Massachusetts and had no record to examine.

150 JRCMYP  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:33:08pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Allah Pundit on the stupid airplane windows outrage....

Someone seriously said this to "defend" Romney? In print? Honestly, I can't figure out why Romney would have made the original statement, but why in the world would this dufus make an argument for creating a windstorm in a burning plane??

151 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:34:44pm

re: #142 Mich-again

I feel bad for the writers at The Onion, their satire has to somehow outdo the things Mitt actually said for laughs.

That's because the stupid base that he's trying to make like him can't be parodied. Having 27% of the country be batshit crazy is bad enough, but to have them be highly organized with their own media and their own political party might be the death of out little experiment in self-government.

152 freetoken  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:34:46pm

re: #147 Gus

Yep. An atheist with a pseudonym that mocks Islam working for a Christian fundamentalist media outfit... makes sense. I bet they pay him 100 grand a year to write that drivel.

I think he came with the blog when Salem bought it, but yes, it's a triple-decker of inanity.

153 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:34:56pm

re: #150 JRCMYP

Someone seriously said this to "defend" Romney? In print? Honestly, I can't figure out why Romney would have made the original statement, but why in the world would this dufus make an argument for creating a windstorm in a burning plane??

Because someone has to push back against the libtards and their outrage by either invoking the MBF (57 states!) or by defending Mitt from the marauding librul hordes.

154 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:35:37pm

re: #149 jaunte

I'm still amazed by him thinking he could run for president while pretending he was never governor of Massachusetts and had no record to examine.

GOPers create their own reality doncha know?

155 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:36:16pm

I see Mitt Romney as an indicator how how crazy the right has gotten, not because he himself is crazy or extreme, but because he's forced to grovel and pander to the most batshit loony elements of the right, and parrot their talking points. It's pathetic.

156 jaunte  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:37:29pm

re: #154 moderatelyradicalliberal

GOPers create their own reality doncha know?

Proving your theorem:

157 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:38:19pm

re: #156 jaunte

Proving your theorem:

[Embedded content]

Old Newtie is supporting Todd Akin as well.

158 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:40:43pm

re: #156 jaunte

Proving your theorem:

[Embedded content]

Yah, the same 'common sense' science was developed to overcome.

159 erik_t  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:43:32pm

re: #156 jaunte

Proving your theorem:

[Embedded content]

No. No way. Stop the world. I'm getting off.

160 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:44:53pm

re: #159 erik_t

No. No way. Stop the world. I'm getting off.

Better idea -- take all these "common sense" types like Akin, Schlafly, Barton, etc. and put them on the next mission to Mars.

161 andres  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:45:58pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

What was his tone of voice? I mean, was he kidding, or does he seriously not get why plane windows don't open?

There's no video of this quote, but the context can be worrisome. If Romney was joking, it didn't show up.

162 Kragar  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:45:59pm

re: #156 jaunte

Proving your theorem:

[Embedded content]

Next week: Donald Trump on charm and business ethics

163 CuriousLurker  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:49:28pm

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Allah Pundit on the stupid airplane windows outrage....

Funny how he didn't bother to ponder the possibilities when the stupid 57 states outrage was going on and Obama was being ridiculed. Nope, on that day he just linked to a video and some snark (cache link).

164 JRCMYP  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:51:40pm

re: #156 jaunte

Proving your theorem:

[Embedded content]

Shut the fuck up.

I need to stop shaking my head. It's starting to make me dizzy.

165 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:52:13pm
166 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:52:42pm

re: #162 Kragar

Next week: Donald Trump on charm and business ethics

And hair styling!

167 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:53:42pm

re: #163 CuriousLurker

Funny how he didn't bother to ponder the possibilities when the stupid 57 states outrage was going on and Obama was being ridiculed. Nope, on that day he just linked to a video and some snark (cache link).

Ha ha!

168 Mich-again  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:54:27pm

re: #155 Charles Johnson

I see Mitt Romney as an indicator how how crazy the right has gotten, not because he himself is crazy or extreme, but because he's forced to grovel and pander to the most batshit loony elements of the right, and parrot their talking points. It's pathetic.

I'm not sure he had to pander like that to win the nomination. There were 6 others in the clown car all fighting over Tea party support. I think Mitt could had taken the opposite tack from the beginning and staked out the anti-Tea party option and he would have still ended up winning the nomination.

169 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:54:51pm

re: #165 Lidane

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Well I guess he's right, if one argues that most of these revolutions have been against US-supported dictators. Though I think he'd be hard-pressed to argue that every single revolution has resulted in an anti-US government coming to power.

170 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:55:02pm

Yeah. We're laughing about Romney's airliner window idea while they're completely unhinged and flat out whacked out about Obama's use of the phrase "bumps in the road." It's the same!

//

171 andres  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:55:54pm

re: #165 Lidane

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Dear Lord! Republican Party, move on! You (the Republican Party) seem to be stuck 30 years ago.

172 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:56:04pm

I'm sure the wingnuts will be along with a video showing the crowd seeing the "joke" in Willard's statement and laughing uproariously over it.

Yep, any minute now...

173 CuriousLurker  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:57:24pm

re: #170 Gus

Yeah. We're laughing about Romney's airliner window idea while they're completely unhinged and flat out whacked out about Obama's use of the phrase "bumps in the road." It's the same!

//

My thoughts exactly.

174 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 7:57:24pm

re: #171 andres

Dear Lord! Republican Party, move on! You (the Republican Party) seem to be stuck 30 years ago.

That's because when the Cold War ended, so did the Republican party's ideas. They can't move beyond Reagan. It's all about beating the commies, nuking the Middle East into a parking lot, and the economic illiteracy of supply side economics.

175 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:00:39pm

re: #173 CuriousLurker

My thoughts exactly.

Read what these lunatics are saying...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

176 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:01:04pm

re: #174 Lidane

That's because when the Cold War ended, so did the Republican party's ideas. They can't move beyond Reagan. It's all about beating the commies, nuking the Middle East into a parking lot, and the economic illiteracy of supply side economics.

Every time I hear them natter on about the dangers of Russia or China or how badly we need to have a huge military, I hear Yahtzee natter in my other year about how "It hasn't been 1979 for at least 10 years."

177 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:01:31pm

BTW the Bombardier Challenger 600 series aircraft that Ann Romney was flying comes with emergency oxygen bottle fed masks. Here's the crash crew chart showing the oxygen bottle locations. The whole idea here is in an emergency to discretely get oxygen to the places it's wanted, such as the lungs of passengers, instead of the places it isn't, like an electrical fire.

178 bratwurst  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:02:08pm

When the tell-all book about this slow motion train wreck of a campaign is inevitably published, I am going straight to the index to look up the passage about who told Mitt to go for the fake orange tan and why.

179 Kragar  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:02:15pm

Wife had some heavy duty dental work done, so tonight dinner is foraging.

Corn dogs and beer FTW.

180 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:02:51pm

re: #179 Kragar

Wife had some heavy duty dental work done, so tonight dinner is foraging.

Corn dogs and beer FTW.

We call those nights "Fend Me" night, as in "Guess I better Fend for Meself."

181 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:03:04pm

re: #176 Targetpractice

Every time I hear them natter on about the dangers of Russia or China or how badly we need to have a huge military, I hear Yahtzee natter in my other year about how "It hasn't been 1979 for at least 10 years."

Ha! I adore Yahtzee especially when he rants about MMORPGs and FPS games. His review of EVE Online is still one of my favorites.

182 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:03:46pm

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

BTW the Bombardier Challenger 600 series aircraft that Ann Romney was flying comes with emergency oxygen bottle fed masks. Here's the crash crew chart showing the oxygen bottle locations. The whole idea here is in an emergency to discretely get oxygen to the places it's wanted, such as the lungs of passengers, instead of the places it isn't, like an electrical fire.

And most importantly keeping smoke from the flight deck.

183 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:04:35pm

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

BTW the Bombardier Challenger 600 series aircraft that Ann Romney was flying comes with emergency oxygen bottle fed masks. Here's the crash crew chart showing the oxygen bottle locations. The whole idea here is in an emergency to discretely get oxygen to the places it's wanted, such as the lungs of passengers, instead of the places it isn't, like an electrical fire.

Pfft. Details. Everyone knows you're supposed to have power windows and screen doors on planes. =P

184 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:04:39pm

re: #177 goddamnedfrank

BTW the Bombardier Challenger 600 series aircraft that Ann Romney was flying comes with emergency oxygen bottle fed masks. Here's the crash crew chart showing the oxygen bottle locations. The whole idea here is in an emergency to discretely get oxygen to the places it's wanted, such as the lungs of passengers, instead of the places it isn't, like an electrical fire.

I hope Bombardier didn't buy the parts for Ann's aircraft from the same Chinese supplier whose parts had to be replaced on the CTA's new train cars.

/little bit of hate there for Bombardier.

185 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:05:02pm

re: #181 Lidane

Ha! I adore Yahtzee especially when he rants about MMORPGs and FPS games. His review of EVE Online is still one of my favorites.

Think my favorite will remain his review of Fallout: New Vegas, which consisted of him "role-playing" in hardcore mode right up til the game froze, at which point he gave up on it. Something that I think most of us Fallout fans agreed with on release day.

186 blueraven  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:07:16pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

They also use grainy footage of Mitt to make it extra spooky. The same people who put this crap together are also selling us sodas and low financing on SUV's.

There is no spooky footage here. Mostly it is Romney's own words contradicting each other.

If you want to say he is scary, well OK, but this is a perfectly legitimate and well done ad.

187 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:07:55pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

I hope Bombardier didn't buy the parts for Ann's aircraft from the same Chinese supplier whose parts had to be replaced on the CTA's new train cars.

/little bit of hate there for Bombardier.

PIMF

188 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:08:02pm

re: #183 Lidane

Pfft. Details. Everyone knows you're supposed to have power windows and screen doors on planes. =P

Explosive bolt doors.

189 CuriousLurker  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:08:26pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

Dark, you need to retract the comment you left on the about Ahmadinejad & Israel. You jumped the gun.

190 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:08:35pm

re: #188 Gus

Explosive bolt doors.

Are we talking aircraft or spacecraft?

191 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:08:51pm

Ejection seats in case you fuck up and have to leave your plane load of 400 passengers.

//

192 Kragar  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:09:12pm

re: #190 Targetpractice

Are we talking aircraft or spacecraft?

Submarines.

193 bratwurst  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:09:25pm

Paul Ryan is so boring that a copy editor for the New York Times was apparently unable to make it all the way through a blurb about him:

Image: letryan.jpg

194 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:09:54pm

re: #189 CuriousLurker

Dark, you need to retract the comment you left on the about Ahmadinejad & Israel. You jumped the gun.

Where?

195 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:09:55pm

So the captain tells me, "fuck you I quit", gives me the finger, and ejects out of the plane.

196 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:10:17pm

re: #192 Kragar

Submarines.

There's a screen door for that.

197 CuriousLurker  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:10:43pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

Here. I left an explanation in the thread.

198 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:11:03pm

Good evening Bratwurst and Dark. :)

199 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:11:29pm

re: #195 Gus

So the captain tells me, "fuck you I quit", gives me the finger, and ejects out of the plane.

It was then I vowed never to fly in a B-52 again.

200 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:12:29pm

re: #188 Gus

Explosive bolt doors.

In & out pet doors. A moonroof. Mag wheels and racing stripes.

201 bratwurst  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:12:52pm

re: #198 Gus

Good evening Bratwurst and Dark. :)

Top of the evening to you, good sir. :)

202 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:12:55pm

re: #199 Targetpractice

It was then I vowed never to fly in a B-52 again.

Major Kong said that someone could have a good weekend in Vegas with the stuff in the emergency kit.

203 Kragar  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:13:26pm

M-1 Abrams, dropped with hydraulics.

204 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:13:54pm

re: #199 Targetpractice

It was then I vowed never to fly in a B-52 again.

Image: 260px-FairchildB52Crash.jpg

205 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:14:08pm

re: #197 CuriousLurker

Here. I left an explanation in the thread.

Thanks , but the hater I was referring to is Ahmadinejad, not Etaoin Shrdlu. That's why I didn't quote his post, but copied directly from the article.

206 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:14:13pm

You can hear it snap the power lines.

207 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:14:57pm

re: #198 Gus

Good evening Bratwurst and Dark. :)

Greetings. How do we stand, you and I?

208 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:15:11pm

re: #207 Dark_Falcon

Greetings. How do we stand, you and I?

It's all good.

209 CuriousLurker  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:15:27pm

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

Oh, okay, gotcha. I couldn't really tell with all the vowels missing.

210 Sophist, Gingham Style  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:15:28pm

Somebody's Going to Emergency, Somebody's Going to Fail.

211 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:15:45pm

re: #202 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Major Kong said that someone could have a good weekend in Vegas with the stuff in the emergency kit.

Yeah, but that's before he rode a Mark 17 nuke into the ground. So take it with a grain of salt.

212 CuriousLurker  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:16:04pm

re: #175 Gus

Read what these lunatics are saying...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Typical. Ugh.

213 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:16:19pm

re: #212 CuriousLurker

Typical. Ugh.

Yeah. Seriously. Whew.

214 CuriousLurker  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:17:01pm

Sleepytime. Later, lizards.

215 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:17:39pm
216 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:17:50pm

re: #211 Targetpractice

Yeah, but that's before he rode a Mark 17 nuke into the ground. So take it with a grain of salt.

That was Maj. Pickins, I thought.

217 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:18:10pm
218 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:18:29pm

re: #208 Gus

It's all good.

Thank you.

219 Stephen T.  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:18:57pm

re: #136 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Computers work on magic smoke. If you open them up and let the smoke out, they stop working.

220 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:19:35pm

re: #217 Lidane

Heh:

Image: batvenger.jpg

Sorry, but the punchline is too much of an asshole line for me to upding.

221 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:20:07pm

Now we dance! Break open the Ouzo!

//

222 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:20:39pm

Evening all..Good day, no job but bought a new wash machine today. Wife was tired of shlepping to the laundromat.

223 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:22:13pm

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

That was Maj. Pickins, I thought.

Slim Pickens was the actor. The character was Maj. "King" Kong.

224 bratwurst  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:22:19pm

Dumb pundit...or DUMBEST pundit? Even Hannity doesn't buy a lot of this:

If they can continue to identify him on screen as "Former Clinton Advisor", why not "Guy Who Sucks Prostitute's Toes" as well? The gasping for air between sentences in a nice touch too.

225 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:23:58pm

re: #224 bratwurst

Dumb pundit...or DUMBEST pundit? Even Hannity doesn't buy a lot of this:

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If they can continue to identify him on screen as "Former Clinton Advisor", why not "Guy Who Sucks Prostitute's Toes" as well? The gasping for air between sentences in a nice touch too.

UKIP

226 Kragar  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:25:01pm

re: #221 Gus

Now we dance! Break open the Ouzo!

//

227 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:25:03pm

Showed this the other day, but I'll repeat it for the scifi fans in the audience:

Candidate Trek

228 jamesfirecat  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:26:07pm

re: #181 Lidane

Ha! I adore Yahtzee especially when he rants about MMORPGs and FPS games. His review of EVE Online is still one of my favorites.

re: #181 Lidane

Ha! I adore Yahtzee especially when he rants about MMORPGs and FPS games. His review of EVE Online is still one of my favorites.

I loved his review of spec ops the line just because it was something different, I loved it so much I went and thoroughly spoiled the game for myself by reading hits tv tropes page.

My only only problem with Yhatzee is that he has yet to review an rts the way they were meant to be played, with a mouse,

229 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:27:09pm
230 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:28:24pm

re: #226 Kragar

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That's a goof. ;)

231 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:30:42pm
232 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:32:20pm

re: #186 blueraven

There is no spooky footage here. Mostly it is Romney's own words contradicting each other.

If you want to say he is scary, well OK, but this is a perfectly legitimate and well done ad.

Not to mention that the "grainy" footage is the 2010 Mitt talking sense about ER's. That's not the Romney they want people to be afraid of.

233 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:32:43pm

re: #228 jamesfirecat

re: #181 Lidane

I loved his review of spec ops the line just because it was something different, I loved it so much I went and thoroughly spoiled the game for myself by reading hits tv tropes page.

My only only problem with Yhatzee is that he has yet to review an rts the way they were meant to be played, with a mouse,

In Yahtzee's defense, he's not a fan of RTS games and has only reviewed a couple based more on his self-challenges to test out gaming genres he doesn't usually get into.

234 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:35:41pm

The only way Romney stands a chance is by being more like Obama.

235 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:36:09pm

re: #234 Gus

The only way Romney stands a chance is by being more like Obama.

Then he's toast.

236 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:36:33pm

re: #235 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Then he's toast.

Exactly. :)

237 jamesfirecat  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:36:49pm

re: #233 Targetpractice

In Yahtzee's defense, he's not a fan of RTS games and has only reviewed a couple based more on his self-challenges to test out gaming genres he doesn't usually get into.

He only did one real rts to my memory, halo wars, which he played on Xbox... Playing an rts on a console is going to be like trying to hit a target at the shooting range while wearing oven mitts....

238 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:40:18pm

re: #237 jamesfirecat

He only did one real rts to my memory, halo wars, which he played on Xbox... Playing an rts on a console is going to be like trying to hit a target at the shooting range while wearing oven mitts....

It seems most of the games he plays are on console, because whenever he plays computer games, he moans about needing to crank down the graphics just so they'll run on his laptop.

239 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:40:25pm
240 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:41:20pm

I don't think its a coincidence that at the same time Amad-Dinnerjacket is gonig to be spewing his bile at the UN the International Mine Countermeasure Exercise is taking place in the Persian Gulf. Here's a pic of Bahrain's port, taken from the USS Ponce. CNN has an article about it here and some good photos.

241 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:46:48pm
242 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:58:48pm

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

That's the punchline. J. Jonah Jameson really IS that much of an asshole. Heh.

243 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 8:59:42pm

re: #242 Lidane

That's the punchline. J. Jonah Jameson really IS that much of an asshole. Heh.

To acknowledge that, I updinged this last post of yours.

244 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:00:53pm

One wonders if there is any issue in American politics for which you can't find a video of Romney taking a diametrically opposed position from his current stance. Politicians have been accused of flip-flopping before, but I don't know of anyone other than Romney who has taken both sides of every issue.

245 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:04:18pm
246 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:04:23pm
247 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:05:31pm

re: #246 Dancing along the light of day

OK, I'm a girl, but WTF!

That's really how a lot of our founding fathers were too.

248 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:06:39pm

My Packers got totally hosed tonight. Crappy officiating cost them the damn game.

The owners and the NFL need to suck it up and settle with the real refs already. This is a goddamn joke now.

249 alpuz  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:09:09pm

re: #248 Lidane

Now watch the spin. Whee?

250 jaunte  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:10:51pm

re: #248 Lidane

Replacement Referees and Home Field Advantage: It’s Been Almost Eight Points a Game Through Two Weeks
[Link: www.thebiglead.com...]

So far this season, there have been 231 penalties against visiting teams and only 188 penalties against the hosts. That ratio — road teams having to deal with 23% more penalties — is far out of line with historical data, which informs us that road teams had 7% more penalties enforced against them than home teams from 2000 to 2011.

251 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:13:06pm
252 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:14:07pm

wow refs wow

253 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:14:22pm
254 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:15:30pm

re: #250 jaunte

Replacement Referees and Home Field Advantage: It’s Been Almost Eight Points a Game Through Two Weeks
[Link: www.thebiglead.com...]

Erg.

255 jaunte  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:15:53pm
256 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:17:58pm

re: #248 Lidane

My Packers got totally hosed tonight. Crappy officiating cost them the damn game.

The owners and the NFL need to suck it up and settle with the real refs already. This is a goddamn joke now.

That leaves the Bears and Vikings tied for 1st place in the NFC North. That gives the Bears an advantage they'll likely need in seeking to win the division.

Go Bears!

257 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:18:40pm

re: #255 jaunte

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Retweet this one, folks.

258 jaunte  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:18:57pm

re: #254 Gus

Erg.

"An erg is the amount of work done by a force of one dyne exerted for a distance of one centimeter."

259 darthstar  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:23:17pm

As far as bad calls go, I thought the last one in the Seattle-Green Bay game was one for the records...offensive pass interference (not called), interception (not recognized), and official review (inconclusive). Fuckin' hat trick. But since I could give a rat's ass about Green Bay and have relatives in Seattle, I will say it was the right call to make.

Go Vikings!

260 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:24:07pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

261 darthstar  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:24:08pm

re: #256 Dark_Falcon

That leaves the Bears and Vikings tied for 1st place in the NFC North. That gives the Bears an advantage they'll likely need in seeking to win the division.

Go Bears!

Fuck da bears with a squirrel dick. Vikings all the way.

262 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:24:12pm

re: #259 darthstar

As far as bad calls go, I thought the last one in the Seattle-Green Bay game was one for the records...offensive pass interference (not called), interception (not recognized), and official review (inconclusive). Fuckin' hat trick. But since I could give a rat's ass about Green Bay and have relatives in Seattle, I will say it was the right call to make.

Go Vikings!

You got the Lions to beat on Sunday. We'll see if the Vikings can pull it off.

263 darthstar  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:24:53pm

re: #260 Lidane

That's not all DF and Markos Moulitsas have in common, if you know what I mean...

264 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:25:01pm

re: #261 darthstar

Fuck da bears with a squirrel dick. Vikings all the way.

Fuck the Vikings with an ice dildo!

265 darthstar  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:25:34pm

re: #262 Dark_Falcon

You got the Lions to beat on Sunday. We'll see if the Vikings can pull it off.

Fuckin' Lions are force to be reckoned with, unlike Chicago. That'll be a good game.

266 darthstar  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:25:53pm

re: #264 Dark_Falcon

Fuck the Vikings with an ice dildo!

See? You can play this game!

267 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:25:56pm
268 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:26:49pm

re: #265 darthstar

Fuckin' Lions are force to be reckoned with, unlike Chicago. That'll be a good game.

You'll see how much of a force the Bears are when our defense pounds Adrian Peterson into the turf!

269 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:27:23pm
270 darthstar  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:27:45pm

Okay folks...nursing a cold...just had a few manhattans with dinner and a shot of Nyquil. Going to let pharmacology take its course. See you all in the morning if my heart doesn't stop in my sleep. (I'll be fine....don't worry.)

271 alpuz  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:29:04pm

Steve Young is now praying on ESPN. What a joke the NFL has become.

272 Mich-again  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:29:36pm

re: #259 darthstar

Whats funny about it all is that you have 1500 or so of these elite athletes and just as many staff and coaches spending their whole lives for this game but apparently they can't have a decent scrimmage without some specially trained old dudes who run around the field during the game and decide what just happened.

273 bratwurst  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:32:00pm
274 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:33:00pm
275 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:33:53pm
276 bratwurst  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:34:16pm

This is for you, DF:

277 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:35:18pm

anything can happen at this point. it's a raider's superbowl this year

278 Mich-again  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:35:28pm

re: #273 bratwurst

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Here's a made up conspiracy .. The replay ref was a union sympathizer who wanted to send a message to Scott Walker and the cheeseheads that this is what happens when you hire replacements..

279 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:41:40pm

re: #276 bratwurst

Heh.

280 Gus  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:43:41pm
281 Lidane  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:44:05pm

re: #278 Mich-again

282 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 9:44:10pm

re: #278 Mich-again

Here's a made up conspiracy .. The replay ref was a union sympathizer who wanted to send a message to Scott Walker and the cheeseheads that this is what happens when you hire replacements..

Not exactly a conspiracy, but you're more right than you know. IIRC, the replay officials are union, just as the (real) field refs are, but are under a different CBA, so what you've got is replacement field refs and the "real" replay officials at these games.

It makes one wonder if the replay refs are feeling any pressure to make the right calls when they can, all the while making the replacement field refs look even worse that they're doing on their own.

283 Kragar  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 10:11:42pm

lol, refs

284 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 10:20:49pm

I opened up my 2011 taxes to see the percentage I paid in Federal Income Tax alone. (That's just Federal Income Tax, not payroll, Social Security, FICA, etc).

The percentage was 25.8% -- Nearly TWICE as much as Mitt Romney!

Interestingly, the "average American" pays less than Romney:

"On average, middle-income families—those making from $50,000 to $75,000 a year—pay 12.8 percent of their income in federal taxes" according to Congress' Joint Committee on Taxation.

While I'm not trying to defend Romney, I think most Americans have NO IDEA how little taxes they pay! The weight of America is on the shoulders of high-salaried people that can't play games with "carried interest" like Mitt Romney can.

It goes unquestioned in newspapers that "middle class America" pays more in Taxes (percentage) than Romney does, even though it's simply not true. (For example [Link: www.examiner.com...] )

285 Mocking Jay  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 10:27:00pm
286 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 10:37:28pm

re: #241 Gus

The 2012 European Beard and Moustache Championships

re: #246 Dancing along the light of day

OK, I'm a girl, but WTF!

Pssst...Gus, it's working!
Image: d81e5f612e.jpg

287 blueraven  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 10:39:00pm

re: #284 ReamWorks SKG

I opened up my 2011 taxes to see the percentage I paid in Federal Income Tax alone. (That's just Federal Income Tax, not payroll, Social Security, FICA, etc).

The percentage was 25.8% -- Nearly TWICE as much as Mitt Romney!

Interestingly, the "average American" pays less than Romney:

While I'm not trying to defend Romney, I think most Americans have NO IDEA how little taxes they pay! The weight of America is on the shoulders of high-salaried people that can't play games with "carried interest" like Mitt Romney can.

It goes unquestioned in newspapers that "middle class America" pays more in Taxes (percentage) than Romney does, even though it's simply not true. (For example [Link: www.examiner.com...] )

They pay a higher percentage in total taxes than Romney when you add payroll taxes which Romney does not pay.

288 Kragar  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 10:39:51pm

re: #286 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

re: #246 Dancing along the light of day

Pssst...Gus, it's working!
Image: d81e5f612e.jpg

Image: 1253083798_display_1253083798cat_watermelon.jpg

289 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 10:53:15pm

re: #287 blueraven

They pay a higher percentage in total taxes than Romney when you add payroll taxes which Romney does not pay.

Not only that, but other taxes, state and local, also figure into one's tax burden, such as sales/use and property taxes. For many people middle-class and lower, sales/use taxes are very regressive, because the percentage of what they pay in those taxes on, say, food and necessities compared to those making more is a far higher percentage of income.

Just an aside: in many states where there is a state income tax, most if not all can usually be written off one's federal taxes (as well as some sales taxes and other government fees), but YMMV.

Taxes: how in the fuck do they work?

///confusing as hell for most people

290 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 11:07:16pm
291 Kragar  Mon, Sep 24, 2012 11:09:25pm
292 JamesWI  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 12:22:05am

I can't remember the last time I've been pissed off for four hours straight, let alone over something like sports......

Fuck Goodell and the owners, what a fucking joke.

293 JamesWI  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 12:23:15am

re: #265 darthstar

Fuckin' Lions are force to be reckoned with, unlike Chicago. That'll be a good game.

Um.....didn't the Lions just lose to the Titans? Very "forceful" :)

294 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 12:33:01am

re: #290 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

certified as sufficiently surrealistic for a monday night

fish!

295 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 12:35:54am

re: #284 ReamWorks SKG

I think most Americans have NO IDEA how little taxes they pay!

i have had this exchange with wingnuts often:

"if i had all the money i paid into social security i'd be rich!"

"um so how much approximately do you figure you've actually paid into social security"

"i don't have any fucking idea, asshole!!!"

296 researchok  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 1:11:32am

Morning, all

297 Kragar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 1:49:56am

Trying something new with my Space Wolves. Attaching more men and a veteran sgt to each squad, and using the squad vehicle as fire support instead of transport. It means losing some mobility, but greatly increasing my fire power.

298 freetoken  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 2:57:11am

Note to self: I really ought to get off my lazy bum and finish up all those Pages on the historical debates over the origins of the theistic religions.

I finally watched the now much debated (UK) Ch. 4 documentary Islam: The Untold Story, and while I found the actual show a but underwhelming (not unlike, say, being stuck with frozen mass market pizza sticks compared to what one gets at the local family owned pizzeria), the responses that show generated are much more insightful.

Take for example this youtube posted response:

The poster is clearly showing signs of distress.

Reality is too challenging for many people, and the group facilitation of fantasies has long been a problem in human societies.

Sometimes the truth hurts, really hurts, and it is too much to face.

Anyway, the response to Holland's documentary is very similar in ways to the response received by those (historians, archeologists, writers and pundits) who raise serious issues about the origins of ancient Israel and of Christianity.

As far as I am concerned, in the big picture, the eastern Mediterranean/ SW Asian religions really are the same, having evolved one after another with plenty of admixture after their individual speciation (if I may be allowed to borrow a biological term.) Ancient mythologies turned into bronze age stories, retold in Iron Age languages and finally inscribed on papyrus/paper in late antiquity (until what we call the "middle ages".)

Pretty much the same stories get retold, with small variations.

Unfortunately for us, our "leaders" (in American society) really are afraid to tackle these topics - too bad for us.

299 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:08:06am

Morning Honcos.

300 freetoken  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:15:04am

Tchaikovsky's "Memory of a Dear Place", ending only (which is often played):

301 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:17:45am

Prosecutors cite Stand Your Ground Law in not charging shooter of Palm Harbor driver
SNIP:
Brandon Baker got out of the truck, and here the stories conflict. Christopher Baker said his brother walked toward Browning's car, but did not fight or even get near the driver's window. The brother told investigators that Browning pepper sprayed Baker and then shot him.

Browning told investigators that Baker came right up to the car and started punching him — even after he used pepper spray. Browning said he "felt he 'had to end it.' " He grabbed his gun from the glove box and fired one shot, the memo said.

The investigation backed up Browning's version.

Inside the open window of the car, investigators found the marks of someone whose fingers were covered with pepper spray — an indication that Baker did try to get inside the car. Also, the medical examiner concluded Baker was shot from one or two inches away, meaning he had to be close to the car.

Tests also showed Brandon Baker's blood alcohol level at 0.166, about twice the level at which Florida law presumes someone is impaired. Tests also showed Baker had used "a significant" amount of cocaine.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

302 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:31:03am

U.S. high school band remembers Russian Revolution with hammer and sickle
[Link: www.examiner.com...]
Heh.

303 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:35:13am

re: #302 Cannadian Club Akbar

U.S. high school band remembers Russian Revolution with hammer and sickle
[Link: www.examiner.com...]
Heh.

Will they still be smiling two months from now when some of the students begin reenacting the murder or exile of all whom the Bolsheviks considered in opposition to them?

/sick, just sick.

304 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:37:13am

re: #302 Cannadian Club Akbar

U.S. high school band remembers Russian Revolution with hammer and sickle
[Link: www.examiner.com...]
Heh.

Next week, the biology dept. takes over the football field for a tribute to Pol Pot.
"Mister Johnson , why are we burying all these skulls at the 50 yard line!?!?"

305 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:37:31am

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

Will they still be smiling two months from now when some of the students begin reenacting the murder or exile of all whom the Bolsheviks considered in opposition to them?

/sick, just sick.

Guess there weren't any other historical events worthy of remembrance.
//

306 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:40:20am

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

It's really not sick. It's just a damn high school band that chose a theme. Let's not get all PC about crap like this. The Tsars were total fuckers.

307 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:44:35am
I do believe in basic science. I believe in participating in space. I believe in analysis of new sources of energy. I believe in laboratories, looking at ways to conduct electricity with -- with cold fusion, if we can come up with it. It was the University of Utah that solved that. We somehow can’t figure out how to duplicate it.
- Mitt Romney

Wait, what???
Derp.

308 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:47:25am

re: #306 Obdicut

It's really not sick. It's just a damn high school band that chose a theme. Let's not get all PC about crap like this. The Tsars were total fuckers.

Nicholas II was a failure as a leader and his regime was rotten, but the Bolsheviks were actually much worse. Moreover, Communism's conquest of a large and powerful nation allowed the communists to spread their venom to many other nations, ultimately resulting in at least 70 million deaths.

Oh, and lets not forget that both Mussolini and Hitler were brought into their respective governments both aristocratic leaders terrified of 'Bolshevism'. Thus fascism might never have existed save for communism.

309 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:49:05am

Fusion is hard.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Cold fusion is a myth.

310 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:50:36am

re: #308 Dark_Falcon

Nicholas II was a failure as a leader and his regime was rotten, but the Bolsheviks were actually much worse.

On one hand you have exploitation, starvation, and privation, on the other you have exploitation, starvation, and privation. They both sucked.

Moreover, Communism's conquest of a large and powerful nation allowed the communists to spread their venom to many other nations, ultimately resulting in at least 70 million deaths.

And the colonization of the New World led to the death of millions and enslavement of millions. We should probably stop celebrating US history now.

Oh, and lets not forget that both Mussolini and Hitler were brought into their respective governments both aristocratic leaders terrified of 'Bolshevism'. Thus fascism might never have existed save for communism.

It's the ultimate bugaboo! Never mind that it's basically dead and gorne, we can blame fascism on it.

Fascists are to blame for fascism, Dark, not communists. Might as well say communism wouldn't have existed except for capitalism, so capitalism is bad.

311 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:50:52am

re: #306 Obdicut

It's really not sick. It's just a damn high school band that chose a theme.

They also won the competition with it, indicating that they had the talent to perform the material well. Fortune favors the bold. I like that they yanked the chains of a bunch of uptight conservative humorless douches in the process.

312 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:53:21am

re: #311 goddamnedfrank

I wonder if something inspired by the French Revolution would get the same gibbering response, or whether that's far enough in the past that it's okay. Or the English Civil War.

313 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:55:14am

Idiot jumps in tiger cage to become 'one with the tiger', gets fucked up from the fall and then further fucked up by the tiger.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

314 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:55:52am

WWI reparations had more to do with Hitler getting elected than anything else.

315 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:56:22am

re: #313 Obdicut

Idiot jumps in tiger cage to become 'one with the tiger', gets fucked up from the fall and then further fucked up by the tiger.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

When people do this stoopid shit, I always root for the animal.

316 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:56:25am

re: #312 Obdicut

I wonder if something inspired by the French Revolution would get the same gibbering response, or whether that's far enough in the past that it's okay. Or the English Civil War.

So objecting to the celebration of a totalitarian takeover of a nation that lead to tens of millions of deaths is "gibbering"?!

317 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:56:43am

re: #313 Obdicut

Idiot jumps in tiger cage to become 'one with the tiger', gets fucked up from the fall and then further fucked up by the tiger.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

WTF is wrong with people???

318 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:57:24am

re: #317 Varek Raith

WTF is wrong with people???

17 (or larger) ounce sodas!
/

319 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:58:00am

re: #317 Varek Raith

WTF is wrong with people???

Usually that kind of suicidal stupidity is caused by bad brain chemistry.

320 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 3:59:50am

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

So objecting to the celebration of a totalitarian takeover of a nation that lead to tens of millions of deaths is "gibbering"?!

You're dishonestly conflating a performance at a band competition with the "celebration of a totalitarian" blah blah blah. Christ but you can be a tedious little shit. Go get laid or something, grow the fuck up.

321 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:00:00am

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

So objecting to the celebration of a totalitarian takeover of a nation that lead to tens of millions of deaths is "gibbering"?!

A) The revolution in 1917 wasn't a totalitarian takeover.

B) Saying that it led to tens of millions of deaths is gibbering, because you can use that logic to say that any predecessor led to anything else that comes afterwards. It's dumb. It wasn't a celebration of the Soviet Union, treating it as such is moronic.

C) There's a long history in art and music of commemorating something without it being a 'celebration'. We do it all the time. Foster the People's "Pumped up Kicks" is not a celebration of school shootings, it's just a song about them.

They clearly say that it's not a celebration, just a representation.

322 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:01:41am

re: #320 goddamnedfrank

Go get laid or something,

You offering?

at least send him flowers 1st ,, maybe dinner,, a few drinks

323 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:02:09am

Florida Rep. Mike Horner resigns amid prostitution ring investigation
TALLAHASSEE — State Rep. Mike Horner, R-Kissimmee, abruptly resigned his seat in the Florida House on Monday following reports that he was a client at a brothel.
...
Under Florida law, the Republican Party can name a replacement candidate for Horner, but Horner's name will remain on the ballot, said Mary Jane Arrington, Osceola County's supervisor of elections. Votes cast for Horner would be credited to the replacement candidate.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

324 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:04:38am

re: #320 goddamnedfrank

And your hostile commentary has reached Tucker Max levels of harassment, except you don't have the excuse of claiming your trying to be funny. So why don't go hit the (boxing) speedbag to take out your hostility and leave me the fuck alone!

325 ozbloke  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:05:58am

Saw this on twitter.

#RomneyPlaneFeatures it's held together solely by wing nuts.

326 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:07:24am

re: #323 Cannadian Club Akbar

Soon to write a book about The Best Little WhoreHouse in Texas Osceola County

327 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:07:59am

re: #325 ozbloke

Saw this on twitter.

#RomneyPlaneFeatures it's held together solely by wing nuts.

In the event of a water landing your seat cushion can be used as a yacht
Heh.

328 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:08:07am

Shit, the art and music of the early Soviet Union is fucking amazing, and everyone should learn about it. It's propaganda, but it's taking a real desire, a real soul-felt desire for something better and using it for that propaganda. It's really, really, really worth studying and appreciating.

And that was once it was actually doing all the evil, evil shit, too.

Image: sovietposter.jpg

Image: march8-poster.jpg

Image: russian_propaganda.jpg

And of course, it's inspired a lot of modern advertising, because that's what it basically was.

329 ozbloke  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:09:23am

re: #327 Cannadian Club Akbar

In the event of a water landing your seat cushion can be used as a yacht
Heh.

There's some seriously clever wit out there.

330 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:09:26am

re: #328 Obdicut

So my "Kill a Commie for Your Mommy" T-shirt is relevant again?
///

331 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:10:10am

It's funny: Soviet Propaganda started out as edgy-as-a-motherfucker art, really pushing the boundaries of style. Then it got formalized, then the party control started to get felt, and artists who didn't do what was expected didn't get any money, didn't get their shit publish. Soviet art largely stagnated, and the CIA actually started funding abstract artists in the West to capitalize on that, to show that the Soviet's closed society couldn't actually continue to produce great art.

332 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:11:06am

re: #330 Cannadian Club Akbar

So my "Kill a Commie for Your Mommy" T-shirt is relevant again?
///

If you have time machine, that shirt is relevant. Otherwise, not so much.

333 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:12:04am

re: #332 Obdicut

If you have time machine, that shirt is relevant. Otherwise, not so much.

Same goes for my Farrah Fawcett shirt, then.:) (yes, I had one)

334 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:12:14am

Dark, you confuse the shit out of me. Apparently putting on a musical show inspired by the music during the Russian Revolution is beyond the pale, but me posting explicit Soviet propaganda and talking about how it's great art isn't.

Can you explain why one is sick and the other isn't?

335 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:14:21am

And now I'm going to go work out to build my body into the perfect laborer for the motherland.

336 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:15:17am

re: #312 Obdicut

I wonder if something inspired by the French Revolution would get the same gibbering response, or whether that's far enough in the past that it's okay. Or the English Civil War.

Well, the French Revolution inspired "Les Miserables" which is a kickass musical show, so yeah they could have performed a great routine based on tunes from Les Mis and themes of the guillotine. BTW that was supposed to be the most humane execution device ever invented, except for the mess.

337 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:15:56am

re: #328 Obdicut

Shit, the art and music of the early Soviet Union is fucking amazing, and everyone should learn about it. It's propaganda, but it's taking a real desire, a real soul-felt desire for something better and using it for that propaganda. It's really, really, really worth studying and appreciating.

And that was once it was actually doing all the evil, evil shit, too.

Image: sovietposter.jpg

Image: march8-poster.jpg

Image: russian_propaganda.jpg

And of course, it's inspired a lot of modern advertising, because that's what it basically was.

I know. And I read that recent article on the Northern branch of the Trans-Siberian Railway and saw its Soviet-era building is a somewhat more favorable light.

But the hammer and sickle is forever an enemy symbol in my mind and my reaction to is hostile. I do not believe it should be displayed as that band did, as it seems to me to be far to close to celebration of things that ought not to be celebrated. All that having been said, I don't believe they should be punished officially for what they did, as they violated no laws.

338 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:17:56am

Yet large tracts of the South have no problem displaying and celebrating the Confederate flag.
Once they get that house in order, we can talk about foreign stuff.
;)

339 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:20:20am

I feel bad for the replacement refs in the NFL. I'm sure they are trying but, um, no.

340 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:20:30am

Young Communist League targets children in 'Red School Bus Tour'

Remember when churches used to have "Sunday School" buses that picked up your children and gave them Bible lessons on their way to church?

Now, thanks to the Southern California Young Communist League (YCL), a branch of the Communist Party USA (CPUSA), little red school buses may be coming to your neighborhood.

But they won't be teaching your children Bible lessons, or courses in American history that highlight the freedom we have and those who died to protect it.

They'll be teaching your children the wonders of communism and socialism.

According to an article at The Blaze, the "National Red School-Bus Tour" will make stops in Los Angeles, Texas, Florida, and the Northeast between February and April.

This is serious but I really can't help treating it as a joke. The combination of leaden sincerity and utter futility makes any attempt to promote communism in the United States today actually, literally funny. I know people who have never heard of the concept that there could be anything to life other than the accretion of individual wealth and status. To them, dog eat dog capitalism is not so much a conscious choice as a law of nature. Yet these silly retro-reds treat their alternative as something for which the masses are ripe and yearning.

341 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:21:16am

re: #339 Cannadian Club Akbar

I feel bad for the replacement refs in the NFL. I'm sure they are trying but, um, no.

They stink, they stink, they stink!

342 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:22:12am

re: #341 Varek Raith

They stink, they stink, they stink!

Only half the teams involved in bad calls agree with you.
///

343 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:28:39am
344 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:30:56am

Well, comrades, I'm off to another day of exploiting the masses and accumulating capital. Have a good one.

345 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:31:52am

re: #343 Sheila Brovlofski

.50 CAL vs iPhone5
[Link: www.theblaze.com...]

346 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:33:44am

re: #345 Cannadian Club Akbar

Please delete that link. The Blaze is the site run by that raving lunatic Glenn Beck.

347 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:36:22am

re: #346 Dark_Falcon

Please delete that link. The Blaze is the site run by that raving lunatic Glenn Beck.

I couldn't just post the video. I'd have to sign up for the guy's youtube channel or whatever. It isn't a political article, just a guy gunning down an iPhone5.

348 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:38:44am

Florida job creator:

State Rep. Mike Horner resigns after being linked to brothel in Orange County

[Link: www.miamiherald.com...]

via Memorandum

349 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:38:50am

re: #347 Cannadian Club Akbar

I couldn't just post the video. I'd have to sign up for the guy's youtube channel or whatever. It isn't a political article just a guy gunning down an iPhone5.

I have never owned an iphone and I don't want one. Seeing all the multitudes swarming in line that goes on for blocks, and seeing those stupid Siri commercials make me really, really want to NEVER HAVE ONE.

350 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:40:15am

re: #347 Cannadian Club Akbar

Even so, The Blaze is a nutcase site . But I did get the video to embed here:

351 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:42:21am

re: #350 Dark_Falcon

If I see something there I want to post, I always track down the original source and post it.

352 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:46:51am

re: #339 Cannadian Club Akbar

I feel bad for the replacement refs in the NFL. I'm sure they are trying but, um, no.

re: #341 Varek Raith

They stink, they stink, they stink!

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

353 sattv4u2  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 4:54:23am

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons, preceded by a slight detour to the doctors office

354 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 5:19:29am

re: #307 Varek Raith

Wait, what???
Derp.

That interview is from during the primaries (Dec, 2011) - But it still makes one wonder what sort of briefings and knowledge base he is working through that makes him utter stuff like this.

Cold fusion is a pretty dead subject, and I don't see a reason for it to be brought up barring ignorance. Unless this is somehow a subtle play to imply "free" energy to get the US off oil dependence is somehow just around the corner. And doing that without any real reason to believe it is going to happen is just a blatant pander - oh, like a unprincipled politician would make.

Never mind.

355 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 5:21:10am

Morning all.

SO last night I'm following the Packers game on line. They'd finally scored a touchdown and then my Dell's screen went crazy. The computer itself may still work but I'm going to need another screen, external monitor or something to use it. I've put the old MacBook back into service but Guh knows how long it's go left in it.

And so I learned that after my computer went nutz, the freaking fake refs went even further nuts.

No more NFL for me until the real refs are back.

356 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 5:21:15am

re: #312 Obdicut

I wonder if something inspired by the French Revolution would get the same gibbering response, or whether that's far enough in the past that it's okay. Or the English Civil War.

The last sounds like something the UVa band should consider.

357 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 5:22:10am

re: #313 Obdicut

Idiot jumps in tiger cage to become 'one with the tiger', gets fucked up from the fall and then further fucked up by the tiger.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I wonder if he realized that the easiest way to "become one with a tiger" is to be eaten by it?

358 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 5:31:03am

Good morning Lizards. Nice clear and cool morning in "Always Sunny" Philadelphia.

Lots of buzz on the replacement refs latest stomp into the cowpie of incompetence. Doesn't help when that plays into the network football announcers running narrative about the same.

So what is new and happening for the Lizards other than that? (Personally it's coffee, work, and dealing with a sinus/allergy thing. I hates ragweed. Plus my streak of awful luck at the cribbage club continues. :p )

359 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 5:34:26am

In their desperation to block Gov. Cuomo from giving the okay for fracking in New York, die-hard opponents of the natural gas drilling technology are floating laugh-out-loud-funny health and environmental threats.

Most hilariously, the enviro-activists have demanded that state officials explore an alleged link between fracking and — we kid you not — syphilis.

Read more: [Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

360 freetoken  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 5:36:03am

Entire Field of Particle Physics Is Set to Switch to Open-Access Publishing

The entire field of particle physics is set to switch to open-access publishing, a milestone in the push to make research results freely available to readers.

If only other fields would follow suit - some will, but there will be fierce opposition I expect in areas like anthropology.

361 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 5:37:53am

re: #360 freetoken

Entire Field of Particle Physics Is Set to Switch to Open-Access Publishing

If only other fields would follow suit - some will, but there will be fierce opposition I expect in areas like anthropology.

I look forward to seeing what the theories are on quantum publishing. Do papers sit in an uncertain state regarding their conclusions until the waveform collapses?

;)

362 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 5:38:32am

re: #355 William Barnett-Lewis

People on Twitter are calling for the killing of Goodell.

363 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 5:42:27am

re: #362 Cannadian Club Akbar

People on Twitter are calling for the killing of Goodell.

Idiots. Just hurt what he cares about - his wallet - by not spending money on the NFL. Though I suppose KT will be along to claim I'm interfering with Goodell's free speech rights...

364 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 5:42:54am

re: #362 Cannadian Club Akbar

People on Twitter are calling for the killing of Goodell.

It's not him that's doing this. He's just the owners' meat-puppet. Independent-minded commissioners are disliked by the current crop of sports team owners.

365 Sionainn  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 5:43:58am

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

Will they still be smiling two months from now when some of the students begin reenacting the murder or exile of all whom the Bolsheviks considered in opposition to them?

/sick, just sick.

It's Todd Starnes. Of course, he's going to conflate this all out of proportion.

366 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 5:45:00am

re: #363 William Barnett-Lewis

Idiots. Just hurt what he cares about - his wallet - by not spending money on the NFL. Though I suppose KT will be along to claim I'm interfering with Goodell's free speech rights...

No, you're a respectable family man. Killgore's ire is reserved for those nasty OWS hippies and their 'rapey-stabby' (his words, not mine).

367 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 5:49:43am

Today is my grandson's birthday, he is 3 years old. Giving birth on the day before Yom Kippur worked out great for my daughter, she didn't have to fast at all. But it's going to suck for my grandson's birthday parties (including his Bar Mitzvah)

368 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 5:50:37am

re: #363 William Barnett-Lewis

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

Agree with both. Goodell is in the pockets of the owners. And the owners saying they want integrity and safety in the game are full of shit. Can I get either of you an $8 beer?

369 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 5:57:21am

re: #367 Sheila Brovlofski

Today is my grandson's birthday, he is 3 years old. Giving birth on the day before Yom Kippur worked out great for my daughter, she didn't have to fast at all. But it's going to suck for my grandson's birthday parties (including his Bar Mitzvah)

Ouch! My son has it bad enough (Jan 9, every budget is tapped out from Christmas), that would really bite. Of course, we also celebrate his adoption day ("Gotcha Day") as a second birthday so he makes out all right in the end.

370 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:02:05am

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

No, you're a respectable family man. Killgore's ire is reserved for those nasty OWS hippies and their 'rapey-stabby' (his words, not mine).

Not true. He spreads his ire around freely; he's pretty open in his contempt for most people here.

371 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:05:11am

re: #368 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #364 Dark_Falcon

Agree with both. Goodell is in the pockets of the owners. And the owners saying they want integrity and safety in the game are full of shit. Can I get either of you an $8 beer?

As a Republican I normally don't side with present-day unions, but in this case I am going to make an exception. The owners aren't facing the kind of cash crunch that killed pensions in other industries. They can pay enough that the refs will settle, they just don't want to. Their actions are simply those of greedy assholes who are OK with other people being physically hurt by a situation they could resolve by overcoming their greed.

Thus I this case I say: "The union is in the right, and the NFL owners must pay the referees their pensions."

372 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:10:13am

re: #370 Obdicut

Not true. He spreads his ire around freely; he's pretty open in his contempt for most people here.

I was just being facetious, Obdi.

373 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:10:45am

re: #371 Dark_Falcon

I agree, but...
NFL, referees meet to discuss deal; no resolution imminent
[Link: www.nfl.com...]
These owners and Goodell are douchebags.

374 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:12:46am

re: #372 Dark_Falcon

I was just being facetious, Obdi.

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375 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:18:15am

I see the DC area is skipping Fall this year.

376 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:19:52am

re: #374 Obdicut

Image: 35q4q7.jpg

I thought I was using it in context, gently poking fun at Killgore's OWS obsession.

377 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:24:12am

re: #376 Dark_Falcon

I thought I was using it in context, gently poking fun at Killgore's OWS obsession.

You were, that's why i posted a complimentary message about you using it in context. So now you thought I was being facetious when I wasn't.

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378 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:26:42am

When I was a kid I wanted to be Willie Wonka so bad. Not to visit him, but to be him.

379 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:27:16am

re: #377 Obdicut

You were, that's why i posted a complimentary message about you using it context. So now you thought I was being facetious when I wasn't.

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[Link: 4.bp.blogspot.com...]
:P

380 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:27:59am

re: #378 Obdicut

When I was a kid I wanted to be Willie Wonka so bad. Not to visit him, but to be him.

These days he's lucky to be in the UK. Michael Bloomberg would have him arrested if he came to New York City.

381 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:29:30am

re: #378 Obdicut

When I was a kid I wanted to be Willie Wonka so bad. Not to visit him, but to be him.

Willie Wonka was really kind of a psychotic asshole.

382 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:30:04am
383 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:30:15am

re: #378 Obdicut

When I was a kid I wanted to be Willie Wonka so bad. Not to visit him, but to be him.

I just wanted to live in his factory and have Pawtucket Pat's Beer Factory next door.
/

384 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:31:27am

re: #381 Sheila Brovlofski

Willie Wonka was really kind of a psychotic asshole.

Aw, all he did was exploit an entire race of people and trap children into situations where they obviously were going to harm themselves. That's basically a wash.

385 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:33:59am

re: #384 Obdicut

Aw, all he did was exploit an entire race of people and trap children into situations where they obviously were going to harm themselves. That's basically a wash.

Given how vile Lumpaland is, he did them a favor. It's not like he could let them out of his factory, the Oompa Lumpas would be targeted by Pam Geller's buddies in the EDL.

386 iossarian  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:35:14am

re: #384 Obdicut

Aw, all he did was exploit an entire race of people and trap children into situations where they obviously were going to harm themselves. That's basically a wash.

I think Gene Wilder's interpretation is definitely on the psycho end of the scale. He comes across as a nicer guy in the book.

387 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:39:11am

re: #382 Obdicut

Eh, hockey fans know the real score. It's called Three Blind Mice, but even baseball gets in on the act.

388 iossarian  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:39:16am

Via slashdot: Tesla installs free "supercharger" solar recharging stations for their cars - can provide 3 hours of driving from a 30-minute charge.

[Link: finance.yahoo.com...]

At that point it's getting very close to general usability, when you can do a long drive with (long) rest stops. We probably stop for at least 20 minutes every couple of hours as it currently stands.

389 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:39:57am

re: #386 iossarian

I think Gene Wilder's interpretation is definitely on the psycho end of the scale. He comes across as a nicer guy in the book.

For some reason this has reminded me of superdickery.

[Link: superdickery.com...]

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390 Randall Gross  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:40:56am
391 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:41:59am

re: #386 iossarian

I think Gene Wilder's interpretation is definitely on the psycho end of the scale. He comes across as a nicer guy in the book.

The Oompa Loompa's in the book were an African tribe that he kidnapped just like in the old slavery/colonial days. They had to tone that down for the movie.

392 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:43:19am

Yeah, Gene Wilder's Wonka was definitely a psycho. I let my kids watch that video over and over and over. THEY LOVED IT.

393 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:44:06am

Gee, this sounds like a detailed plan...

Mitt Romney said at the Clinton Global Initiative said he has laid out a "new approach for a new era."

Romney said: "We’ll couple aid with trade and private investment to empower individuals, encourage innovators, and reward entrepreneurs."

The Romney campaign - now with 20% more buzzwords! Like' prosperity pacts!

"Working with the private sector, the program will identify the barriers to investment, trade, and entrepreneurialism in developing nations," Romney said. "In exchange for removing those barriers and opening their markets to U.S. investment and trade, developing nations will receive U.S. assistance packages focused on developing the institutions of liberty, the rule of law, and property rights."

He could have saved his breath and just said 'more deregulation and outsourcing.'

Meanwhile, the 47% comments continue to do damage.

Sheila Bair, a longtime Republican who formerly chaired the Federal Deposit Insurance Commission under Presidents Bush and Obama, said Tuesday morning that she's "aghast" with Mitt Romney's 47 percent remarks and probably writing in Jon Huntsman for president.

I eagerly await the Gaffe of the Day.

394 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:46:13am

re: #393 makeitstop

Gee, this sounds like a detailed plan...

The Romney campaign - now with 20% more buzzwords! Like' prosperity pacts!

He could have saved his breath and just said 'more deregulation and outsourcing.'

Meanwhile, the 47% comments continue to do damage.

I eagerly await the Gaffe of the Day.

All Mitt can do is deal in generalities. He doesn't know what kind of Congress he'll get and any specifics will depend on that.

395 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:49:00am

re: #394 Dark_Falcon

All Mitt can do is deal in generalities. He doesn't know what kind of Congress he'll get and any specifics will depend on that.

Then he can't complain about the current economy under Obama, since so much of the problem has been the obstructionist GOP congress.

Every day, Romney chooses to either shoot himself in the foot or the GOP in general. Some days he gets to do both.

396 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:49:36am

re: #394 Dark_Falcon

All Mitt can do is deal in generalities. He doesn't know what kind of Congress he'll get and any specifics will depend on that.

I don't buy that for a second. He knows if he spells out exactly what he wants to do his numbers will tank even further.

He's supposed to be one of those bold Job Creators, but he's too timid to actually outline his vision in detail because he knows it would be political suicide.

Not fit to lead, period.

397 iossarian  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:52:33am

Shorter Romney: impoverished African nations had better let us plunder their natural resources, or we'll send in the CIA.

398 GunstarGreen  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:52:56am

As much as I dislike Romney in general, I'm pretty sure that 'airplane windows' is just his version of '57 states': a botched delivery of a lame joke.

399 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 6:57:08am

Romney in a nutshell: "I will reward the Walton family with more tax cuts for all the jobs they have created!"

400 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:07:46am

Bernard Finei completely shreds the 'Obamas failed economic policies' meme over at Balloon Juice this morning. This paragraph debunks the 'uncertainty' meme while reminding me a lot of how the Romney campaign is trying to frame their total lack of economic specifics:

Absent some guaranteed permanent GOP majority, there will always be some regulatory uncertainty. If the “job creators” will only invest when they are absolutely certain not to face regulatory hurdles in the future, then they will never invest. Even if Romney wins in 2012, they would still need to fear the return of an “anti-business” Democrat in 2016. After all, according to this argument, the “job creators” have been sitting on the sidelines for the past four years already. If regulatory risk is that severe, and investors are are risk averse as this theory proposes, then recovery will never occur. Further it is difficult to understand how economic growth could ever occur if this line of argumentation were plausible.

Aren't 'job creators' known for taking risks in the face of uncertainty? Why, then, have they not made a 'bold' move for four years?

And doesn't the 'uncertainty' meme sounds pretty much exactly like D_F's justification for the Romney campaign's fondness for vagueness and buzzwords?

401 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:09:21am

Apparently the only thing they are sure about is that supplying specifics will have a negative effect on their campaign.
:p

402 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:10:06am

Well. I think I repaired my Dell. But the so called tech that my MiL paid the last time it needed work needs to be smacked hard. 5 important screws left out of the display subsystem??? Grrr...

403 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:11:46am

re: #397 iossarian

Shorter Romney: impoverished African nations had better let us plunder their natural resources, or we'll send in the CIA.

Better us than China. It's one or the other, and we won't send over a large amount of cheap AKs to make trouble after we've gone.

404 kirkspencer  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:12:36am

re: #393 makeitstop

Gee, this sounds like a detailed plan...

The Romney campaign - now with 20% more buzzwords! Like' prosperity pacts!

He could have saved his breath and just said 'more deregulation and outsourcing.'

Meanwhile, the 47% comments continue to do damage.

I eagerly await the Gaffe of the Day.

Actually that was pretty good as a plan at this time, buzzwords or not. It's enough to actually see what is intended. Let me hammer it for a moment.

Romney said: "We’ll couple aid with trade and private investment to empower individuals, encourage innovators, and reward entrepreneurs."

Ignore the prepositional phrase. "We'll couple aid with trade and private investment." In other words, nations that won't give trade agreements and/or private inducements will not get aid. Rephrasing again: aid is to encourage bidness, not to deal with things like health and poverty.

As makeitstop already noted in the link, the other thing he pushed was deregulation and outsourcing.

So his plan is to deregulate and outsource to nations that provide tax, trade, and other incentives. And this is supposed to help the US economy.

405 andres  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:15:17am

re: #403 Dark_Falcon

Better us than China. It's one or the other, and we won't send over a large amount of cheap AKs to make trouble after we've gone.

How about, better they themselves than either of us?

406 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:15:42am

Mornin' everyone. My favorite NFL clip of the weekend was some receiver, after getting tackled with a blatant facemask grab that wasn't flagged by the replacement ref, following the ref and saying, "I've got a wife and kids at home. I can't have my head twisted around like that. I've got responsibilities."

407 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:17:34am

re: #404 kirkspencer

Actually that was pretty good as a plan at this time, buzzwords or not. It's enough to actually see what is intended. Let me hammer it for a moment.

Ignore the prepositional phrase. "We'll couple aid with trade and private investment." In other words, nations that won't give trade agreements and/or private inducements will not get aid. Rephrasing again: aid is to encourage bidness, not to deal with things like health and poverty.

As makeitstop already noted in the link, the other thing he pushed was deregulation and outsourcing.

So his plan is to deregulate and outsource to nations that provide tax, trade, and other incentives. And this is supposed to help the US economy.

As for aid, I like his idea. If you're going to ask us for aid and then turn around and hand the mining contract to China in exchange for a bribe. Our aid will become conditional on the receipt showing proper loyalty and that's not unreasonable.

408 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:17:39am

re: #403 Dark_Falcon

Better us than China. It's one or the other, and we won't send over a large amount of cheap AKs to make trouble after we've gone.

Seriously? Fuck.

409 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:18:26am

Abu Hamza extradition ruling marks end of era for radical cleric

Nnearly a decade of legal battles, a European court has ruled that the one-eyed, hook-handed al-Masri, who was convicted in a British court and jailed in 2006 for a variety of terror-related crimes, can be extradited to face terror charges in the U.S.

Britain's legal victory marks the end of a protracted battle to send al-Masri abroad that so exasperated officials that even Queen Elizabeth reportedly spoke to a UK home secretary about why arresting the cleric was proving so difficult, according to the BBC.

410 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:19:46am

re: #405 andres

How about, better they themselves than either of us?

Why? Why should I pay more for what I want, providing aid and then watching them sign the contract with China? No, Sir!

411 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:22:00am

re: #410 Dark_Falcon

Why? Why should I pay more for what I want, providing aid and then watching them sign the contract with China? No, Sir!

Plunder! It's the American way! Why the hell should we want other people to know the standard of living we enjoy?

412 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:22:03am

re: #408 darthstar

Seriously? Fuck.

Seriously. China is still making the AK in 7.62x39mm and still selling it in Africa without great concern for where they end up. Some of their resource deals are predicated on China supplying arms to the nation from which they will extract the resources.

413 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:23:19am
414 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:26:45am

re: #412 Dark_Falcon

Seriously. China is still making the AK in 7.62x39mm and still selling it in Africa without great concern for where they end up. Some of their resource deals are predicated on China supplying arms to the nation from which they will extract the resources.

I'm not talking about China's ability to manufacture AKs, I'm just baffled by your complete lack of compassion for your fellow man. Impoverished people aren't just there for us to exploit (and we gotta get there first before the Chinese!). For example, George Bush didn't put trade restrictions on his commitment to help stem the AIDS epidemic in Africa. Even he's not that big an asshole.

415 kirkspencer  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:27:12am

Yellow peril much?

Seriously, however, your argument is shading into absolutism. If we send aid and a China company gets a mining contract and a French company gets the contract for building the stuff the aid is paying for, we still come out ahead. We get there first because the aided nation heads toward moving from needy to contributor on the global stage. We get there because we also trade with China and France.

Let's put it another way. By your argument the Marshall plan was a waste of our money.

416 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:28:54am

re: #407 Dark_Falcon

As for aid, I like his idea. If you're going to ask us for aid and then turn around and hand the mining contract to China in exchange for a bribe. Our aid will become conditional on the receipt showing proper loyalty and that's not unreasonable.

Sounds a lot like making aid contingent on the receiving country supporting human rights and other "liberal" things.

417 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:30:53am

re: #415 kirkspencer

Yellow peril much?

Seriously, however, your argument is shading into absolutism. If we send aid and a China company gets a mining contract and a French company gets the contract for building the stuff the aid is paying for, we still come out ahead. We get there first because the aided nation heads toward moving from needy to contributor on the global stage. We get there because we also trade with China and France.

Let's put it another way. By your argument the Marshall plan was a waste of our money.

No, it wasn't. We were sending aid to nations we believed would be our loyal allies, and we were right. Said nations also had reasonably honest governments, so we weren't just pouring money down a rathole.

418 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:33:08am

re: #414 darthstar

I'm not talking about China's ability to manufacture AKs, I'm just baffled by your complete lack of compassion for your fellow man. Impoverished people aren't just there for us to exploit (and we gotta get there first before the Chinese!). For example, George Bush didn't put trade restrictions on his commitment to help stem the AIDS epidemic in Africa. Even he's not that big an asshole.

Programs to combat disease are an exception. I might well cut off funds to build a dam if the nation where its built is just playing the US for a sucker, but I'm not going to pull funds to vaccinate their children.

419 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:36:24am

The current dispute over the Senkaku Islands between China, Japan, Taiwan, and Korea is rooted in centuries of conflict. While each has claims, and China's may be the strongest, each has reason to see the dispute resolved peacefully because of the massive amount of trade and economic interactions between the parties. However, the potential mineral and fishing resources are enough to spur the parties to bluff their way into a conflict.

While the US is siding nominally with the Japanese in the fight, it appears that the Chinese (or Taiwanese) may have the stronger claim to the islands. And we already know that the Chinese consider Taiwan to be a renegade province so that only fuels the dispute further. Each of the countries has a long history of distrust of the others, and the US needs to work towards getting this resolved peacefully.

420 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:38:02am

Well, got myself back on the Dell, but a 10 year old beast is pushing my luck sometimes.

Anyone got a pointer at a decent dirt cheap laptop that can handle Xubuntu, chrome & some light lisp hacking? Much as I'd love to get a nice Macbook Air, that's not going to happen anytime soon.

421 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:38:23am

Good morning lizards!

422 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:38:47am

re: #417 Dark_Falcon

No, it wasn't. We were sending aid to nations we believed would be our loyal allies, and we were right. Said nations also had reasonably honest governments, so we weren't just pouring money down a rathole.

That sounds to me like yet another instance of being too timid to make a bold move in the face of uncertainty, with aid to emerging nations only happening if it's a sure thing.

All this talk about Republicans being bold and taking risks is ringing hollow, when you look at the paralysis that they seem to base every decision upon.

423 kirkspencer  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:40:33am

re: #417 Dark_Falcon

No, it wasn't. We were sending aid to nations we believed would be our loyal allies, and we were right. Said nations also had reasonably honest governments, so we weren't just pouring money down a rathole.

Are you aware the original plan was to also pay to the soviet bloc as well? And while it wasn't the original plan, we sent money to both Taiwan and China?

Honest? 1940s-1950s Greece and Turkey? Not to mention the non-Marshall Marshall to Indonesia, Pakistan, and the Philippines?

424 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:41:36am

Can I slap this man with an econ book or two?

425 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:41:41am

re: #418 Dark_Falcon

Programs to combat disease are an exception. I might well cut off funds to build a dam if the nation where its built is just playing the US for a sucker, but I'm not going to pull funds to vaccinate their children.

But a damn can provide power to run a water treatment plant that will prevent their kids from getting diseases. Aid is aid. Period. The reason you provide aid to others is to help them, hence the word 'aid'.

426 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:43:55am

re: #425 darthstar

But a damn can provide power to run a water treatment plant that will prevent their kids from getting diseases. Aid is aid. Period. The reason you provide aid to others is to help them, hence the word 'aid'.

Also gets into the funding "pool" that the country has. You provide aid for health services and it frees up the money otherwise needed there for the other projects. Unless you simply think the government in question was not going to fund the health services at all anyways.

427 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:45:02am

re: #422 makeitstop

That sounds to me like yet another instance of being too timid to make a bold move in the face of uncertainty, with aid to emerging nations only happening if it's a sure thing.

All this talk about Republicans being bold and taking risks is ringing hollow, when you look at the paralysis that they seem to base every decision upon.

Our current weak fiscal position means that boldness is unwise. We need to get our house in order and that means extracting real asset value for aid when possible.

428 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:45:18am

POTUS is at the UN today:

429 kirkspencer  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:45:20am

re: #424 Lidane

Can I slap this man with an econ book or two?

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Or even basic principles of trade.

It's the old lemonade joke. All you need to do is sell one million dollar glass of lemonade to have it made, but it's a lot easier to find a million customers who'll buy a one dollar glass of lemonade.

430 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:46:18am

re: #426 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Also gets into the funding "pool" that the country has. You provide aid for health services and it frees up the money otherwise needed there for the other projects. Unless you simply think the government in question was not going to fund the health services at all anyways.

The problem is that quite often so much of the aid gets stolen as to render the cost of it doing something useful prohibitive.

431 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:47:25am
432 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:48:05am

re: #428 Lidane

POTUS is at the UN today:

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That violence was hardly mindless, however. It was clearly intended to bind those committing it to the cause of Radical Islam.

433 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:48:49am

re: #424 Lidane

Can I slap this man with an econ book or two?

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Look at all the jobs the Waltons are creating! They create more jobs than anyone else in the country!1!

434 kirkspencer  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:51:58am

re: #430 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that quite often so much of the aid gets stolen as to render the cost of it doing something useful prohibitive.

"quite often" and "so much"

Defend. Because it's a common talking point, and ever time I've dug into it it turns out to be a narrow slice of nations (many of which are very allied to us) with "so much" being less than 5% - still a lot, but not the implied majority.

435 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:54:01am

re: #434 kirkspencer

"quite often" and "so much"

Defend. Because it's a common talking point, and ever time I've dug into it it turns out to be a narrow slice of nations (many of which are very allied to us) with "so much" being less than 5% - still a lot, but not the implied majority.

Which nations do you find to have the trouble?

436 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:55:06am

I want to see a transcript of the full remarks by POTUS. Sounds like he's giving a big speech about the Middle East, including the uproar over that shitty film, the death of Amb. Stevens, and Iran:

437 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:56:36am

Cue the outrage from the usual suspects:

438 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 7:59:28am

re: #437 Lidane

Cue the outrage from the usual suspects:

Single line. Would like to know the context of the sentences used around it.

439 erik_t  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:00:57am

Minnesota's Catholic hierarchy is apparently doing its very best to drive away parishioners.

Minnesota Roman Catholics will receive a letter this week from the state's bishops, urging them to donate money for television ads asking voters to say yes to a constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage.

...

Besides asking Catholics to make contributions, bishops are encouraging them to vote yes on the amendment, according to a letter sent to priests and church administrators last week from Jason Adkins, executive director of Minnesota Catholic Conference, the public policy voice of the Catholic Church in the state.

The mailing "gives Catholics an opportunity to support the passage of the amendment and asks them to send a contribution to where it will be most effective," Adkins' letter states. In an interview Monday, Adkins said the mailing is being coordinated and paid for by his group and will cost close to $100,000.

Smrt.

440 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:02:57am

re: #427 Dark_Falcon

Our current weak fiscal position means that boldness is unwise. We need to get our house in order and that means extracting real asset value for aid when possible.

More of the same. It's basically an excuse to do nothing, because 'getting our house in order' to you is predicated upon enactment of the full Republican agenda - which, to this point, is not forthcoming.

It's a catch-22 scenario that guarantees inaction.

441 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:06:27am

re: #440 makeitstop

More of the same. It's basically an excuse to do nothing, because 'getting our house in order' to you is predicated upon enactment of the full Republican agenda - which, to this point, is not forthcoming.

It's a catch-22 scenario that guarantees inaction.

Getting our house in order means cutting spending and encouraging growth. It means avoiding excessive spending.

442 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:07:15am

Full text of the President's speech at the UN. A sampling:

OBAMA: The attacks on the civilians in Benghazi were attacks on America. We are grateful for the assistance we received from the Libyan government and from the Libyan people. There should be no doubt that we will be relentless in tracking down the killers and bringing them to justice.

And I also appreciate that in recent days the leaders of other countries in the region -- including Egypt, Tunisia, and Yemen -- have taken steps to secure our diplomatic facilities and called for calm, and so have religious authorities around the globe.

But understand, the attacks of the last two weeks are not simply an assault on America. They're also an assault on the very ideals upon which the United Nations was founded: the notion that people can resolve their differences peacefully, that diplomacy can take the place of war, that in an interdependent world all of us have a stake in working towards greater opportunity and security for our citizens.

If we are serious about upholding these ideals, it will not be enough to put more guards in front of an embassy or to put out statements of regret and wait for the outrage to pass. If we are serious about these ideals, we must speak honestly about the deeper causes of the crisis, because we face a choice between the forces that would drive us apart and the hopes that we hold in common.

Today we must reaffirm that our future will be determined by people like Chris Stevens, and not by his killers. Today we must declare that this violence and intolerance has no place among our united nations.

It's been less than two years since a vendor in Tunisia set himself on fire to protest the oppressive corruption in his country and sparked what became known as the Arab Spring. And since then, the world has been captivated by the transformation that's taken place, and the United -- the United States has supported the forces of change.

We were inspired by the Tunisian protests that toppled a dictator because we recognized our own beliefs in the aspiration of men and women who took to the streets. We insisted on change in Egypt because our support for democracy ultimately put us on the side of the people. We supported a transition of leadership in Yemen because the interests of the people were no longer being served by a corrupt status quo.

We intervened in Libya alongside a broad coalition and with the mandate of the United Nations Security Council, because we had the ability to stop the slaughter of innocents and because we believed that the aspirations of the people were more powerful than a tyrant.

And as we meet here, we again declare that the regime of Bashar al-Assad must come to an end so that the suffering of the Syrian people can stop and a new dawn can begin.

443 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:08:49am

re: #438 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

By your command:

A politics based only on anger, one based on dividing the world between us and them not only sets back international cooperation, it ultimately undermines those who tolerate it. All of us have an interest in standing up to these forces.

Let us remember that Muslims have suffered the most at the hands of extremism. On the same day our civilians were killed in Benghazi, a Turkish police officer was murdered in Istanbul only days before his wedding, more than 10 Yemenis were killed in a car bomb in Sana'a, several Afghan children were mourned by their parents just days after they were killed by a suicide bomber in Kabul.

The impulse towards intolerance and violence may initially be focused on the West, but over time it cannot be contained. The same impulses towards extremism are used to justify war between Sunni and Shia, between tribes and clans. That leads not to strength and prosperity, but to chaos.

OBAMA: In less than two years, we have seen largely peaceful protests bring more change to Muslim-majority countries than a decade of violence. And extremists understand this, because they have nothing to offer to improve the lives of people, violence is their only way to stay relevant. They don't build. They only destroy.

It is time to leave the call of violence and the politics of division behind. On so many issues, we face a choice between the promise of the future or the prisons of the past, and we cannot afford to get it wrong. We must seize this moment, and America stands ready to work with all who are willing to embrace a better future.

444 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:09:10am

re: #441 Dark_Falcon

Getting our house in order means cutting spending and encouraging growth. It means avoiding excessive spending.

It also means bringing in more money to pay down our debts. That doesn't happen if you cut taxes.

445 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:10:49am

re: #441 Dark_Falcon

Getting our house in order means cutting spending and encouraging growth. It means avoiding excessive spending.

Why, then, are Republicans trying to hedge on the spending cuts they agreed to last year, after nearly crashing the economy on purpose?

Why, then, did Republicans defeat a Veterans' jobs bill that would have created jobs for men and women who could use the help, after putting their lives on the line for this country?

Why does 'your team' make a collective career of big talk about spending and growth, then back away when they've got a chance to actually do something about it?

446 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:11:40am

re: #439 erik_t

Sorry Momma, but it's shit like this that sent me to Canterbury rather than Rome.

447 kirkspencer  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:11:40am

re: #435 Dark_Falcon

Which nations do you find to have the trouble?

Oh, neat. You are the one who implied it's endemic, I challenged you to prove, and you want me to inform.

No. You made a blanket statement. I'm asking you to defend the blanket - to show, using sources instead of opinions, both points: that so much aid gets stolen as to make what's less cost ineffective, and that this problem is endemic.

448 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:11:44am

re: #444 Lidane

It also means bringing in more money to pay down our debts. That doesn't happen if you cut taxes.

What might be best is a reform of the tax code instead of such a close focus on the rates.

449 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:12:09am

re: #420 William Barnett-Lewis

Well, got myself back on the Dell, but a 10 year old beast is pushing my luck sometimes.

Anyone got a pointer at a decent dirt cheap laptop that can handle Xubuntu, chrome & some light lisp hacking? Much as I'd love to get a nice Macbook Air, that's not going to happen anytime soon.

Nothing I run needs state-of-the-art, so my hardware wouldn't interest you -- but why don't you take a look at what's on offer at ebay? You have to be careful, of course, but there's a lot of "just yesterday" hardware, including some real bargains. (I've used them for computer stuff a couple of times, and have been very satisfied with what I got.)

450 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:13:50am

re: #439 erik_t

Minnesota's Catholic hierarchy is apparently doing its very best to drive away parishioners.

Smrt.

There are a lot of reasons why I stopped going to Mass and why I turned my back on organized religion. This is just one more for the list.

451 Gus  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:13:59am

Obama used the word mindless! Is he serious? Just mindless?

Outrage!

//

452 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:15:28am

re: #445 makeitstop

Why, then, are Republicans trying to hedge on the spending cuts they agreed to last year, after nearly crashing the economy on purpose?

We're hedging because the Dems won't agree to the needed deal without a tax increase Republicans can't vote in favor of.

Why, then, did Republicans defeat a Veterans' jobs bill that would have created jobs for men and women who could use the help, after putting their lives on the line for this country?

I'm going to reply "asked and answered" to this one. I addressed this topic extensively last week.

453 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:16:16am

re: #449 Someone Please Beam Me Up!

I don't need state of the art either, though I admit that I've been spoiled by the performance boost of dual cores. But Ebay? I stopped using it the day Paythief became required. Still, there are used & refurbs on Amazon so perhaps looking at those might be a win. Thank you for the thought.

454 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:17:11am

re: #443 lawhawk

Thank you.

455 kirkspencer  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:17:17am

re: #441 Dark_Falcon

Getting our house in order means cutting spending and encouraging growth. It means avoiding excessive spending.

So tired of this. More cutting of spending will not encourage growth.

We need to increase spending. More important we need to pay to increase the spending, and that means increasing taxes. We've BEEN cutting spending, and it's had the effect the keynesian type economists have predicted: continued economic doldrums.

Frankly, it reminds me of the people in college who "won" the business simulation by firing 90% of their workforces and selling off most of their capital. For that run they had massive profits both through cost cutting (employees) and extraordinary sales (the capital). The foolishness was rubbed in when the professor made a surprise announcement that the game would run another "year".

456 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:17:25am

re: #452 Dark_Falcon

We're hedging because the Dems won't agree to the needed deal without a tax increase Republicans can't vote in favor of.

Can't or won't?

They're a bunch of inveterate cowards. They know damn well that closing tax loopholes and increasing taxes on the super rich makes sense. They're just scared of Grover Norquist.

457 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:18:49am

Could someone please remind these loons that the Soviet Union hasn't existed in over 20 years? Thanks.

458 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:19:04am

re: #451 Gus

Obama used the word mindless! Is he serious? Just mindless?

Outrage!

//

In error, but its an error made by both Clinton and Bush the Younger. It's not a grave error either, and one largely made for rhetorical and defensive reasons. Obama likely does not want to explain a terrorist's reason for committing terrorism, for (justified) fear that some on the Right will claim his is justifying the terrorist's actions.

DF's Verdict: Error, but no Pinocchios.

459 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:19:17am

I've got to say that the President's speech and its handling of free speech wasn't bad:

Americans have fought and died around the globe to protect the right of all people to express their views -- even views that we profoundly disagree with. We do so not because we support hateful speech, but because our founders understood that without such protections, the capacity of each individual to express their own views and practice their own faith may be threatened.

We do so because in a diverse society, efforts to restrict speech can quickly become a tool to silence critics and oppress minorities. We do so because, given the power of faith in our lives, and the passion that religious differences can inflame, the strongest weapon against hateful speech is not repression, it is more speech -- the voices of tolerance that rally against bigotry and blasphemy, and lift up the values of understanding and mutual respect.

I know that not all countries in this body share this particular understanding of the protection of free speech. We recognize that. But in 2012, at a time when anyone with a cell phone can spread offensive views around the world with the click of a button, the notion that we can control the flow of information is obsolete.

The question, then, is how we respond. And on this we must agree: There is no speech that justifies mindless violence.

(APPLAUSE) There are no words that excuse the killing of innocents. There is no video that justifies an attack on an embassy. There is no slander that provides an excuse for people to burn a restaurant in Lebanon, or destroy a school in Tunis, or cause death and destruction in Pakistan.

In this modern world, with modern technologies, for us to respond in that way to hateful speech empowers any individual who engages in such speech to create chaos around the world. We empower the worst of us if that's how we respond.

More broadly, the events of the last two weeks also speak to the need for all of us to honestly address the tensions between the West and the Arab world that is moving towards democracy.

460 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:19:32am

re: #452 Dark_Falcon

We're hedging because the Dems won't agree to the needed deal without a tax increase Republicans can't vote in favor of.

But they agreed to it last year.

And you talk about other countries possibly dealing in bad faith. 'Your team' seems to have adopted dealing in bad faith as standard operating procedure.

461 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:19:32am

re: #450 Lidane

There are a lot of reasons why I stopped going to Mass and why I turned my back on organized religion. This is just one more for the list.

If you ever find yourself missing it, be sure to check out your local Episcopalian parish. Catholic lite -> All the ritual, none of the guilt. ;)

462 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:22:01am

re: #460 makeitstop

But they agreed to it last year.

And you talk about other countries possibly dealing in bad faith. 'Your team' seems to have adopted dealing in bad faith as standard operating procedure.

We didn't want the government to default, and there was a real hope that a deal could be struck that would leave income tax rates alone.

463 kirkspencer  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:24:20am

re: #462 Dark_Falcon

We didn't want the government to default, and there was a real hope that a deal could be struck that would leave income tax rates alone.

Going to disagree that "we" didn't want the government to default. I saw way too much about how a default would be bad for Obama from Republican voices. Yeah, Bachmann may be crazy but she's still an official voice.

464 erik_t  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:24:22am

re: #452 Dark_Falcon

We're hedging because the Dems won't agree to the needed deal without a tax increase Republicans can't vote in favor of.

"Can't vote"? What a bunch of fucking bullshit.

If this were a functioning political party with members that acted in good faith for the betterment of their nation, they could vote however they fucking saw fit.

465 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:24:55am

Yeah! How dare those LGBT activists try to stop us when we're determined to send them back into the closet?

What a tool.

466 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:25:47am

re: #462 Dark_Falcon

We didn't want the government to default, and there was a real hope that a deal could be struck that would leave income tax rates alone.

Bullshit they didn't want the government to default. They were openly courting a default because in their minds it would be bad for Obama in this election.

467 Gus  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:26:03am

re: #465 Lidane

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Yeah! How dare those LGBT activists try to stop us when we're determined to send them back into the closet?

What a tool.

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468 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:26:10am

re: #462 Dark_Falcon

We didn't want the government to default, and there was a real hope that a deal could be struck that would leave income tax rates alone.

Bullshit. They may not have wanted the government to default, but they sure used it as their number 1 bargaining chip without reservation.

You seem to forget that the rest of us were watching them play chicken with the US economy in real time. Don't try to re-write history here. It's insulting.

469 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:26:17am
470 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:31:15am

re: #469 NJDhockeyfan

That may be related to ongoing battles between the Turkish military and PKK.

471 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:37:13am

re: #464 erik_t

"Can't vote"? What a bunch of fucking bullshit.

If this were a functioning political party with members that acted in good faith for the betterment of their nation, they could vote however they fucking saw fit.

Our base and affiliated organizations do not wish Republican members of Congress to vote for tax increases and have made clear they'll run off those who do. Thus all such votes are party-line votes.

472 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:37:46am

re: #470 lawhawk

That may be related to ongoing battles between the Turkish military and PKK.

It's no surprise the fighting is spilling over Syria's borders. Jordan and Turkey have seen it and now Israel has too.

Syrian Fighting Reaches Israel: Mortar Shells Fall in Northern Golan Heights

The Syrian fighting has also reached the borders of Israel: several mortar shells exploded in Israeli agricultural areas, near the Israeli-Syrian border in the northern Golan Heights. No injuries or damage were reported as having been caused from to the falling shells.

The shells were apparently fired by the Syrian military, in the framework of the combat with the Syrian opposition forces, which began more than a year and a half ago. From what is known, the fire occurred near seven in the morning, and according to assessments, it originated from the area of the Syrian village Jubta Al-Hashab.

The shells fell in open areas on the Israeli side of the border, without causing casualties or damage. The IDF’s Northern Command emphasized that the fire was part of the internal Syrian conflict which leaked to Israel, and was not deliberately fired towards the border.

In recent weeks, the combat between the parties in Syria has intensified, and there are those who say that it is beginning to approach the point where the balance will be tilted. A senior Syrian general who defected from the ranks of President Assad’s forces said in an interview that the regime has discussed the possibility of using chemical weapons against the opposition forces, should it appear that it is on the brink of collapse.

If chemical weapons fall in Israel the shit is going to hit the fan.

473 erik_t  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:39:08am

re: #471 Dark_Falcon

Hey, everyone, remember when Democrats were the ones mocked for not having a goddamned spine?

Those were the days.

474 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:39:35am

What's with GOPers calling women sluts? Staten Island Boro President calls Lady Gaga a slut for ... well not for promiscuity, but for glorifying drug use by lighting up a joint at a concert in Amsterdam.

While attending the Monday launch of a campaign focused on getting teens away from drugs and alcohol, Staten Island Borough President James Molinaro singled out entertainer Lady Gaga for her alleged drug use, and called the international pop star a "slut."

At the St. George event, Molinaro blamed the media and celebrities for promoting a specific lifestyle, and displayed photos in which Lady Gaga appears to be abusing drugs.

"To me, she's not an actress, she is a slut in the pure, in the pure meaning of the word," said the borough president.

[facepalm] Gaga has taken on a prominent role by speaking out against bullying over the past couple of years, but Molinaro focuses on a concert overseas goes and calls her a slut? Really?

475 Gus  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:39:52am

Scott Brown staffers do "Indian war whoop", "tomahawk chop"

9/22/2012, nearby Eire Pub in Boston, at a rally for Scott Brown including former Mayor Ray Flynn. Some supporters of Elizabeth Warren were also gathered around with signs. Here you can see Brown's staffers making "war whoops" and "tomahawk chops", presumably in reference to Warren's Cherokee heritage. Identified in video making the chop are Brown's Constituent Service Counsel Jack Richard (camoflage shirt) and -- we believe -- Massachusetts GOP operative Brad Garrett, front and center with tan baseball cap and gray hoodie, leading the whoops and chops.

476 erik_t  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:43:04am

re: #475 Gus

Scott Brown staffers do "Indian war whoop", "tomahawk chop"

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Maybe they're just Florida State grads.

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477 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:43:36am

re: #471 Dark_Falcon

Our base and affiliated organizations do not wish Republican members of Congress to vote for tax increases and have made clear they'll run off those who do. Thus all such votes are party-line votes.

The only question that leaves us then, DF, is will that Childishness or America end first? They're destroying the nation for penny-ante greed just like the NFL is destroying itself over a similarly small amount of money.

478 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:43:57am

re: #476 erik_t

Maybe they're just Florida State grads.

/

Or Atlanta Braves fans.

479 Gus  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:44:32am

re: #476 erik_t

Maybe they're just Florida State grads.

/

Racist stereotypes are racist.

480 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:44:42am

re: #474 lawhawk

What's with GOPers calling women sluts? Staten Island Boro President calls Lady Gaga a slut for ... well not for promiscuity, but for glorifying drug use by lighting up a joint at a concert in Amsterdam.

[facepalm] Gaga has taken on a prominent role by speaking out against bullying over the past couple of years, but Molinaro focuses on a concert overseas goes and calls her a slut? Really?

It's more that he sounds like an especially devout Catholic, and the resultant social conservatism lead him to be a Republican. It's not so much Republicans that use the term 'slut' as it is SoCons (who often are Republicans).

481 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:45:04am

re: #474 lawhawk

What's with GOPers calling women sluts? Staten Island Boro President calls Lady Gaga a slut for ... well not for promiscuity, but for glorifying drug use by lighting up a joint at a concert in Amsterdam.

[facepalm] Gaga has taken on a prominent role by speaking out against bullying over the past couple of years, but Molinaro focuses on a concert overseas goes and calls her a slut? Really?

Marijuana is legal in Amsterdam but anyway what does smoking weed have to do with one's sex life?

482 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:45:49am

re: #472 NJDhockeyfan

The fight between Turkey and the PKK predates the Syrian civil war and has nothing to do with the Syrian civil war (the PKK has been looking to establish a Kurdish state that happens to straddle the region along the Turkish/Syrian/Iraqi borders).

The incident involving mortar fire hitting the Israeli-controlled Golan is troublesome to say the least. No one knows who was responsible for the attacks - whether it was rebel groups, the Syrian military, or whether it was by mistake or not. It could have been used by either the Assad regime or the rebels to try and get the Israelis to intervene and attack targets (which would potentially bolster Assad by unifying action against Israel, allowing Hizbullah to carry out proxy attacks in revenge, etc.)

This particular incident is similar to one earlier this year where skirmishes inside Syria between rebels and Assad's forces included fire into Israel. The UN has been notified of the breaches to the 73 cease-fire agreements.

Assad's generals might have discussed the use of chemical weapons and some hardliners might have no problem using them against the rebel forces if backed into a corner, I don't think Assad would do so without realizing that the UN would be forced to act, and it would mean support from Russia and China would crumble - opening the door for a NATO/UN force to support the rebel cause.

483 Gus  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:46:54am

re: #474 lawhawk

What's with GOPers calling women sluts? Staten Island Boro President calls Lady Gaga a slut for ... well not for promiscuity, but for glorifying drug use by lighting up a joint at a concert in Amsterdam.

[facepalm] Gaga has taken on a prominent role by speaking out against bullying over the past couple of years, but Molinaro focuses on a concert overseas goes and calls her a slut? Really?

Staten Island

484 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:47:11am

re: #481 Sheila Brovlofski

Maybe an indirect attack on GLBT?

485 blueraven  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:47:54am

re: #480 Dark_Falcon

It's more that he sounds like an especially devout Catholic, and the resultant social conservatism lead him to be a Republican. It's not so much Republicans that use the term 'slut' as it is SoCons (who often are Republicans).

Please. Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
It is a sexist, offensive comment.
You keep talking about the GOP base; own it.

486 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:48:56am

re: #485 blueraven

Please. Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
It is a sexist, offensive comment.
You keep talking about the GOP base; own it.

The thing that came first in this case is the SoCon chicken, which just laid a rotten egg of an insult.

487 gwangung  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:49:01am

re: #480 Dark_Falcon

It's more that he sounds like an especially devout Catholic, and the resultant social conservatism lead him to be a Republican. It's not so much Republicans that use the term 'slut' as it is SoCons (who often are Republicans).

Isn't it like calling her a slut for being seen gambling in Monaco?

488 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:49:58am

re: #487 gwangung

Isn't it like calling her a slut for being seen gambling in Monaco?

Just, or Las Vegas for that matter. It's a stupid and ugly comment.

490 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:52:49am

Madonna called Obama a Muslim last night...

Madonna gives odd Obama endorsement

At a concert in Washington, D.C. on Monday, Madonna declared her support for President Barack Obama but sounded confused about his religion.

“Y’all better vote for f------g Obama, OK? For better or for worse, we have a black Muslim in the White House,” the singer said emphatically into the microphone. “Now, …that’s some amazing s----t. It means there is hope in this country.”

Madonna also noted that Obama “is fighting for gay rights” and urged to crowd to “support the man goddamnit!”

491 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:53:50am

re: #479 Gus

Racist stereotypes are racist.

It's funny to mock people with racist stereotypes, those that complain about racist stereotypes are racist.

492 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:54:22am

re: #471 Dark_Falcon

Our base and affiliated organizations Grover Norquist does not wish Republican members of Congress to vote for tax increases and have made clear they'll run off those who do. Thus all such votes are party-line votes.

Just a few years ago, 'your team' was the Tough Guy party. How things change.

493 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:57:37am

2 al Qaeda leaders reported killed in Mir Ali drone strike

Two al Qaeda commanders are reported to have been killed in Monday's drone strike in the Mir Ali area of Pakistan's Taliban-controlled tribal agency of North Waziristan. The report of the al Qaeda commanders' deaths has not been confirmed.

Abu Kasha al Iraqi, an al Qaeda leader who serves as a key link to the Taliban and supports al Qaeda's external operations network, and Fateh al Turki, a previously unidentified leader, are said to have been killed in the Sept. 24 airstrike in the Mir Ali area, Pakistani intelligence officials, Taliban commanders, and local tribesmen told Dawn. Between five and six people were reportedly killed in the drone strike on a compound.

494 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:58:33am

Madonna who?

495 AK-47%  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:59:15am

re: #471 Dark_Falcon

Our base and affiliated organizations do not wish Republican members of Congress to vote for tax increases and have made clear they'll run off those who do. Thus all such votes are party-line votes.

Grover has made it clear that closing tax loopholes can also be construed as raising taxes.

496 kirkspencer  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 8:59:25am

re: #471 Dark_Falcon

Our base and affiliated organizations do not wish Republican members of Congress to vote for tax increases and have made clear they'll run off those who do. Thus all such votes are party-line votes.

This absolutism is likely to be what diminishes the party to relative insignificance. Especially since there are (as near as I can tell) three categories of core (aka party line) issues -- and the base insists on all three. Those are taxes, sex, and race.

Sorry, let me be a bit more explicit. No tax increases of any sort. Increased restriction and punitive consequence for sexual behavior on the part of women. Increased restrictions on non-whites in the guise of immigration control. Disagree or compromise on any of the three and risk being kicked to the curb.

Unfortunately for the base, more than 50% of the voters are women and non-whites form a very large segment of the voting population. When your venn diagram excludes women and non-whites and everyone who thinks we should pay for various services our government should provide, what's left isn't a majority.

497 The Mountain That Blogs  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:00:11am

It's funny because the people last night talking about how even Scott Walker must be pro-union now were probably joking.

498 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:02:13am

re: #490 NJDhockeyfan

Madonna called Obama a Muslim last night...

Madonna gives odd Obama endorsement

To quote Varek and Gus: DERP!

499 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:03:34am

More from Turkey...

At least seven security personnel were killed after a powerful explosion ripped through an area close to the town center in the eastern province of Tunceli at around 6 p.m. today.

The explosion occurred as an armored military vehicle was passing through a main street in the city's Atatürk neighborhood, broadcaster CNNTürk reported. A plume of smoke could be seen from most parts of the city as the armored vehicle, the apparent target of the attack, and a civilian car caught on fire, a reporter from the Doğan News Agency told CNNTürk anchor Nevşin Mengü. The sound of the explosion could be heard from around the city, Doğan’s reporter added, attesting to the power of the blast.

Security forces arriving at the scene came into contact with suspected militants from the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), resulting in a clash. One militant was reportedly killed in the clash.

Ambulances carried an unknown number of injured people taken to Tunceli State Hospital as firefighters tried to extinguish the blaze.

The PKK is recognized as a terrorist organization by Turkey, the United States and the European Union.

500 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:04:07am

re: #495 AK-47%

Grover has made it clear that closing tax loopholes can also be construed as raising taxes.

Yes but if a tax code reform is done right I think enough support for it can be found to overcome his opposition. His power's not absolute, after all.

501 erik_t  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:04:43am

re: #500 Dark_Falcon

Yes but if a tax code reform is done right I think enough support for it can be found to overcome his opposition. His power's not absolute, after all.

[citation needed]

503 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:07:54am

re: #500 Dark_Falcon

Yes but if a tax code reform is done right I think enough support for it can be found to overcome his opposition. His power's not absolute, after all.

To date, it absolutely has been. I can think of maybe one Republican who has challenged him - George H. W. Bush. And he ain't running for anything.

504 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:08:12am
505 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:08:42am

re: #497 The Mountain That Blogs

Oh sure. NOW he's pro-union.

506 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:09:05am

Madonna is a Jedi.
/I can fling religious insults too!

507 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:09:09am

WTF DERPTY DERP

508 Gus  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:12:06am

re: #507 Sheila Brovlofski

WTF DERPTY DERP

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Elliott Abrams

509 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:12:21am

re: #490 NJDhockeyfan

More accurately, Madonna says something to try and make the news.

She hasn't been relevant musically since Ray of Light and with Gaga around, we've already got one blonde who wears outrageous clothing and does outrageous things.

510 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:13:20am

re: #502 Gus

Image: Faith-and-Freedom-Nazi-Comparison-e1348577217828.jpg

"Serious, but not as serious as the threats to liberty listed above."

511 Big Steve  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:13:35am

I too thought that the President's speech was an excellent defense of free speech. But he still seems to believe that the video was the sole cause of the violence when it is clear that the video was only used as a pretense.

512 AK-47%  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:13:46am

re: #500 Dark_Falcon

Yes but if a tax code reform is done right I think enough support for it can be found to overcome his opposition. His power's not absolute, after all.

If closing a loophole might lead to higher taxes for "job creators", then his ideology requires him to oppose it.

513 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:13:51am

El Rushbo is apparently trying to become an NFL owner again. That's the only explanation for this:

514 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:13:56am

re: #509 Lidane

More accurately, Madonna says something to try and make the news.

She hasn't been relevant musically since Ray of Light and with Gaga around, we've already got one blonde who wears outrageous clothing and does outrageous things.

Maybe she was joking? Any video around to judge tone?

515 DisturbedEma  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:16:06am

re: #507 Sheila Brovlofski

Lovely on erev Yom Kippur. . .

516 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:16:24am

re: #514 makeitstop

Maybe she was joking? Any video around to judge tone?

Check around 1:50.

517 DisturbedEma  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:17:32am

History being what it is, don't we have Jesus, since he died, you know, Jewish. . ./

518 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:17:41am

re: #500 Dark_Falcon

Yes but if a tax code reform is done right I think enough support for it can be found to overcome his opposition. His power's not absolute, after all.

DF, Grover's the number 2 man in your party, right behind Chairman Rush. What either of them says is dogma revealed ex cathedra.

519 Gus  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:17:46am

biaw

520 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:18:15am

re: #513 Lidane

El Rushbo is apparently trying to become an NFL owner again. That's the only explanation for this:

[Embedded content]

This one will actually cause him to lose listeners.

521 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:18:17am

re: #511 Big Steve

I too thought that the President's speech was an excellent defense of free speech. But he still seems to believe that the video was the sole cause of the violence when it is clear that the video was only used as a pretense.

Maybe but remember there's sometimes a big difference between what politicians say and what they believe. There are diplomatic and safety concerns involved and he can't really say "tough shit, get used to it" to the Muslim rioters. Governments in countries like Egypt and Pakistan are using this to bolster their Islamic credentials and deflect the attention from their own shortfalls. I would prefer our leaders tell them "tough shit" but it just isn't practical.

522 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:18:45am

re: #513 Lidane

That's his satire hall pass to say wingnutty things in the upcoming 24-hour period. /

523 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:20:21am

BBL

524 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:20:23am

re: #489 Varek Raith

Fox's Kilmeade: I Don't Know If It's Possible For The Middle Class Rather Than The Rich To Build The Economy
Derp & Friends

It's been proven over the last 20+ years that the rich can't build the economy. They can make money still, but not grow the economy. To do that there needs to be real goods and services created. Moving electronic money around does nothing but redistribute it into others (rich folks) hands. The lower classes do real work to produce real products for real people, and if paid a fair wage they will grow the economy. Until daddy Warbucks gets off his fat ass and starts working the production line and producing something it will always be the lower classes that support a growing economy on their backs.

525 Big Steve  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:21:46am

re: #521 Killgore Trout

Maybe but remember there's sometimes a big difference between what politicians say and what they believe. There are diplomatic and safety concerns involved and he can't really say "tough shit, get used to it" to the Muslim rioters. Governments in countries like Egypt and Pakistan are using this to bolster their Islamic credentials and deflect the attention from their own shortfalls. I would prefer our leaders tell them "tough shit" but it just isn't practical.

Agreed....but given the time I believe the balance of this speech was to bolster his campaign as opposed to soothing foreign feelings and as such I believe he is trying to bat away criticism at home.

526 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:22:12am

re: #516 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

Check around 1:50.

Hard to tell, but she looked serious.

Derp.

527 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:22:16am

re: #489 Varek Raith

Fox's Kilmeade: I Don't Know If It's Possible For The Middle Class Rather Than The Rich To Build The Economy
Derp & Friends

More economic illiteracy from Faux News.

528 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:22:27am

MORE DERPTY DERP

Michael J Rosenberg ‏@MJayRosenberg
Never be confident of Dem victory. We are up against gangsters who stole 2000. And they hate Obama more than Gore (obvious reason)

(I can't retweet EmJay because he has blocked viciousbabushka, because I called him a dweeb and hurt his widdel feewings.

529 DisturbedEma  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:22:52am

re: #497 The Mountain That Blogs

Wow, just wow

530 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:25:19am

Sure, now he cares:

531 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:25:23am

re: #513 Lidane

El Rushbo is apparently trying to become an NFL owner again. That's the only explanation for this:

Rush Limbaugh: "The NFL has never been better."

— Matthew Keys (@ProducerMatthew) September 25, 2012

Reality has never been Rushbo's strong suit.

532 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:26:04am

Ex-Staffer on Roseanne’s Presidential Campaign Claims She Never Got Paid

In late January, the comedienne and former sitcom star Roseanne Barr declared her intention to run for president on the Green Party line. Ms. Barr’s Green Party bid ultimately proved unsuccessful after Massachusetts doctor Jill Stein secured the party’s nomination at its convention in July. Now, Ms. Barr is continuing her quest for the White House as a candidate for the Peace and Freedom Party with anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan as her running mate. However, Ms. Barr may not have tied up all the loose ends associated with her first campaign.

Anita Stewart, who said she served as Press Secretary Ms. Barr’s Green Party bid, told Politicker she is owed $4,300 for her work on the campaign. Ms. Stewart claimed she has spent nearly the past three months fighting to get the money Ms. Barr agreed to pay her and said the delay in payment has caused her immense hardships. She said the situation is especially egregious given the fact Ms. Barr has made millions through her comedy and TV career and ranked as the second-highest-paid woman in showbiz (behind only Oprah Winfrey) during the final two years of her eponymous sitcom in the late nineties.

“Right now, I’m living below poverty level wages,” Ms. Stewart said adding that she has been unable to take care of medical expenses and has had trouble maintaining her car, which she needs to travel to and from work in the small town where she lives about fifty miles outside of Tampa, Florida.

533 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:27:19am

re: #532 NJDhockeyfan

Ex-Staffer on Roseanne’s Presidential Campaign Claims She Never Got Paid

Her first mistake was believing that Roseanne was qualified to be POTUS.

534 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:27:56am

re: #526 makeitstop

Hard to tell, but she looked serious.

Derp.

She's an idiot but there will be no outrage over it.

535 erik_t  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:28:10am

re: #533 Lidane

Her first mistake was believing that Roseanne was qualified to be POTUS.

Who?

536 DisturbedEma  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:28:40am

re: #530 Lidane

Exactly- union refs in the NFL are just good business. . .wait. . .I mean Hey girl, quit crying over last night's game, unions such worse than the Packers losing- imaginary Paul Ryan Gosling:)

537 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:28:50am

re: #533 Lidane

Her first mistake was believing that Roseanne was qualified to be POTUS.

She probably believed all those puff pieces in the "Jewish Daily Forward"

538 DisturbedEma  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:29:11am

re: #533 Lidane

IKR?

539 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:31:34am

re: #534 NJDhockeyfan

She's an idiot but there will be no outrage over it.

Mostly because she's an idiot.

540 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:34:42am

re: #535 erik_t

Who?

The woman saying she never got paid for working on Roseanne's campaign for POTUS.

541 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:34:48am
Confronted with polling from New York City showing parents standing with teachers unions at an NBC News education forum Tuesday, Mitt Romney took a swipe at poll results in general. During a question and answer session at the NBC event, a New York public schools parent told Romney that polling showed parents "support the union to protect our kids three to one over the mayor and the chancellor."

Romney, who spent much of the session condemning teachers' unions, said the results were meaningless.

"I don't believe it for a minute," Romney said. "I know something about polls, and you can ask questions and get any answer you want."

Funny. The bolded part could just as easily pertain to his campaign.
/

542 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:35:54am

re: #541 makeitstop

Generally when the candidate starts knocking polls and accusing them of inaccuracy, that's because he's losing in all of them.

543 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:37:31am

re: #542 Targetpractice

Generally when the candidate starts knocking polls and accusing them of inaccuracy, that's because he's losing in all of them.

Honestly, it sounds like he's getting his talking points from Freep.

544 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:37:49am
545 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:39:05am

I say restart the whole nfl season with the real refs.

546 lawhawk  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:39:47am

You know that the NFL is in a bad position when even a Vikings player comes out in support of the Packers after last night's botched call in the end zone (which the NFL has ruled will stand as called on the field).

547 erik_t  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:40:18am

re: #546 lawhawk

You know that the NFL is in a bad position when even a Vikings player comes out in support of the Packers after last night's botched call in the end zone (which the NFL has ruled will stand as called on the field).

Somehow I knew it was Kluwe before I even clicked.

548 Kragar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:41:06am

re: #545 Varek Raith

I say restart the whole nfl season with the real refs.

I say pick random fans out of the audience, let them be refs for the night.

549 Kragar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:41:56am

Joyner: Gay Activists are the Most Intolerant Group in the World

Rick Joyner was discussing the recent remarks made by Chick-Fil-A president Dan Cathy and the controversy they created when he declared that "most Christians [and] most conservatives are not anti-gay" but are simply following Scripture. In fact, Joyner said, what has happened is that "the gay agenda has gone to such an extreme" that gay activists have become one of the "most intolerant groups not only in America, but in the world." And now Americans have become fed up with "the imposition of their immorality on us" and Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day is a sign of "a major pushback" against that agenda:

550 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:44:10am

re: #549 Kragar

Joyner: Gay Activists are the Most Intolerant Group in the World

I didn't realize gay activists were okay with killing people simply for being anti gay. Oh wait, that's people who think like Joyner.

551 erik_t  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:45:03am

re: #548 Kragar

I say pick random fans out of the audience, let them be refs for the night.

I think they tried that.

552 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:45:09am

Didn't catch the end of the game last night but I really hope people see now that "union employee" doesn't mean "lazy bum" coasting on a pension. If it takes football for people to see that, so be it.

553 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:46:13am

re: #547 erik_t

Somehow I knew it was Kluwe before I even clicked.

I had a feeling it was too. The way he responded to that one Maryland anti-gay legislator was great.

554 darthstar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:46:52am
555 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:47:33am

The latest nanny state news out of NYC...

NYC Hospitals Cracking Down on Junk Food

People nervously waiting around in New York City hospitals for loved ones to come out of surgery can't smoke. In a few months from now, they can't have a supersized fast-food soda. And soon, they won't even be able to get a candy bar out of the vending machine or a piece of fried chicken from the cafeteria.
In one of his latest health campaigns, Mayor Bloomberg is aiming to ban sugary and fatty foods from both public and private hospitals.

556 erik_t  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:49:03am

re: #555 NJDhockeyfan

The latest nanny state news out of NYC...

NYC Hospitals Cracking Down on Junk Food

What a dumbass.

557 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:49:05am

The thing for me that's been frustrating about the replacement refs is how slowed down the game feels. Really though, I know these NFL officials already have other careers but if you have a business like the NFL that generates the amount of money the NFL does, you should be able to afford to pay them a healthy pension and salary.

558 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:49:29am

re: #552 HappyWarrior

Didn't catch the end of the game last night but I really hope people see now that "union employee" doesn't mean "lazy bum" coasting on a pension. If it takes football for people to see that, so be it.

When even Scott Walker and Paul Ryan are demanding that the real, unionized refs be brought back into the game over these pathetic replacement scabs, you know that something is out of whack.

559 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:49:37am

re: #541 makeitstop

It ain't just a river in Egypt. Thankfully.

560 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:51:12am

re: #558 Lidane

When even Scott Walker and Paul Ryan are demanding that the real, unionized refs be brought back into the game over these pathetic replacement scabs, you know that something is out of whack.

Yep I saw that. Really though I hope this brings people some perspective about unions in general. Really the stereotype that pisses me off most about union workers is as I said the idea they're just coasting and lazy. I've read studies that actually show that union workers are quite productive.

561 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:51:53am

*sigh*

562 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:52:59am

re: #558 Lidane

When even Scott Walker and Paul Ryan are demanding that the real, unionized refs be brought back into the game over these pathetic replacement scabs, you know that something is out of whack.

What they're saying is that football is important, and educating children isn't. 'Course we know that in Alabama.

Roll Tide.

563 ShaunP  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:53:14am

Ouch. This is well worth a full read. Quote for the lulz:

...The overall point here is to rise, however briefly, to the defense of Willard Romney as the Republican nominee. As it happens, I think his wife was right on the money when she took to the radio in Iowa to offer each of the mewling conservatives who have been sniping at her husband a large, steaming flagon of STFU. Seriously, why are Peggy Noonan, or Bill Kristol, or Joe Scarborough — why are these people whose opinions should matter to someone running for president? Because they're on TV a lot? Noonan's demonstrably soft as a grape and Kristol's been wrong about everything for going on two decades now. The Squint's just trying to stay afloat. More to the point — and this is something that Ann Romney would not say, but I will: Every one of the people who are now so horrified at the campaign Mitt Romney is running spent three decades making the campaign Mitt Romney's running absolutely inevitable.

...

Where were people like Noonan and Kristol when this dementia was building? Where were they when the Republican Party married itself to crackpot economics and fringe religion solely for the purpose of winning elections? Where was Joe Scarborough? I'll tell you where he was. He was leading the charge by House Republicans to impeach a Democratic president simply because they had the votes to do it...

564 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:53:19am

A war criminal says what?

566 alpuz  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:55:41am

re: #558 Lidane

Ey.. they're just pandering politicians. When ever Walker, or any WisGoP uses a Wisconsin sports reference(they do it a lot) I cringe. I wanna know how the game went over at this guy's bar & pizza joint.

567 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:55:51am

re: #562 Decatur Deb

What they're saying is that football is important, and educating children isn't. 'Course we know that in Alabama.

Roll Tide.

We know that in Texas too. $60 million for additional class materials in poor schools or districts? Inconceivable! $60 million for a new high school football stadium? You betcha!

568 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:56:14am

re: #562 Decatur Deb

What they're saying is that football is important, and educating children isn't. 'Course we know that in Alabama.

Roll Tide.

Here's an interesting factoid. But Jim Bunning, the former very conservative Kentucky senator and pitcher for the Phillies and Tigers was actually instrumental in establishing the Players Association in baseball and hiring Marvin Miller.

569 Kragar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:58:10am

Newt and Akin are going to be holding a joint press conference today. Never mind, it was yesterday. I was out yesterday and trying to catch back up on my news.

Who thought this was a good idea?

570 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 9:58:44am

re: #569 Kragar

Newt and Akin are going to be holding a joint press conference today.

Who thought this was a good idea?

McCaskill

571 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:00:33am

This would make one helluva engagement ring.

158.2-carat diamond unearthed in Russia

572 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:00:39am

re: #569 Kragar

Newt and Akin are going to be holding a joint press conference today.

Who thought this was a good idea?

Newt. He hasn't had much chance to strut his superior intellect lately.
/

573 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:01:10am

Was driving to play cribbage yesterday and had NPR "All Things Considered" on. There was a short piece on the anti-Jihad billboards in New York City.

[Link: www.npr.org...]

574 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:01:12am

re: #570 Decatur Deb

McCaskill

Heh. Pretty much.

575 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:02:02am

re: #573 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Was driving to play cribbage yesterday and had NPR "All Things Considered" on. There was a short piece on the anti-Jihad billboards in New York City.

[Link: www.npr.org...]

Cribbage?
Srsly?
/

576 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:03:31am

re: #575 Varek Raith

Cribbage?
Srsly?
/

Yes. I play cribbage every Monday between Labor Day and Memorial Day.

577 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:05:27am

re: #576 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Yes. I play cribbage every Monday between Labor Day and Memorial Day.

How's the cat doing?

578 Kragar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:06:30am

Todd Akin: Constituents Who Want My Attention Should ‘Write Me A Decent Check’

An unidentified man asks Akin for advice on the best way to get in touch with a congressman, asking “should we write them a letter?” Akin dismissed the idea and suggested cash might be more attention-grabbing:

AKIN: I’m in a three-way primary for the US Senate. I’ve gone to people and asked for their support, their help, or their endorsement, and some people say yes. They write me a decent check. I remember that. The people that I thought were friends that tell me to go away because they are supporting someone else, I remember that. You know, I can remember back to 12 years ago. You remember who’s helping you. That’s one way that people get to know congressmen and senators.

579 Lidane  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:07:23am

re: #578 Kragar

Todd Akin: Constituents Who Want My Attention Should ‘Write Me A Decent Check’

I'll give him points for honesty. He's still an ignorant, sexist douche, though.

580 Kragar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:08:10am

re: #576 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Yes. I play cribbage every Monday between Labor Day and Memorial Day.

I might be getting back into 40k league play wednesday nights. My previous victims are all gone, so I won't scare off opponents for a few months at least.

581 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:08:29am

Romney Getting Real:

582 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:10:17am

Eastwood vs Eastwood:

583 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:13:23am

re: #577 Varek Raith

How's the cat doing?

Fairly well. Pretty much goes around the apartment by rote; eats, sleeps, craps. Socializes if I'm there and seems to be creaky but not in constant pain. No recent dangerous health issues - just taking his meds and supplements like any other senior citizen.

584 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:13:56am

HuffPo: Nidal Hasan, Fort Hood Shooting Suspect, Hospitalized

Some of the comments are pretty funny. Not one person is feeling sorry for the bastard.

cobraxus

let him keep his facial hair.just shackle his hands behind his back and repeatedly ask him if his beard itches.

...........................

zeroagenow

he gets no sympathy whatsoever from this liberal American. Hanging him now is fine with me.

585 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:14:20am

U Didn't Build That by MC 'Bama

586 Kragar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:14:24am

Texas Lawmaker To Muslim American: ‘If You Want To Be An American Act Like One’

Last Wednesday, Texas State Rep. Debbie Riddle (R) posted an angry rant on her Facebook page, declaring that “[o]ur soldiers do NOT need to be taught how to be sensitive to radical Muslims. They do not need to be worried about blowing their nose wrong or using their left hand and offending someone.” In response to this rant, a Muslim American law student named Abdul Pasha posted a link to a news report from a conservative news outlet explaining that a recent Defense Department study did indeed recommend that U.S. servicemembers receive training, not to teach them how to blow their nose, but instead to avoid certain behaviors that have led Afghan security forces to attack Americans.

Riddle did not take kindly to Pasha’s attempt to inject facts into the discussion. Most notably, Riddle told Pasha, who is as American as she is, that if he wants to be an American he should “act like one,” and suggested that he relocate to Afghanistan:

587 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:16:25am

re: #586 Kragar

Texas Lawmaker To Muslim American: ‘If You Want To Be An American Act Like One’

And her experience with serving in the military is...what?

588 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:16:47am
589 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:16:54am
590 AK-47%  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:17:03am

re: #586 Kragar

Texas Lawmaker To Muslim American: ‘If You Want To Be An American Act Like One’

If you are occupying a country - for whatever reason - it is prudent to avoid offending the native population and provoking attacks. That is non-ideological common sense.

591 Kragar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:17:11am

Paul Ryan supports unionized workers as best thing for business

Did you guys watch that Packer game last night? I mean, ha. Give me a break. It is time to get the real refs.

592 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:17:26am

re: #587 Targetpractice

And her experience with serving in the military is...what?

101st Chairborne.

593 Kragar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:18:35am

More GOP support for unions;

594 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:18:37am

It's been a while since I saw his name in the news. I didn't even know he was still alive.

Ralph Nader: Obama’s a ‘war criminal’

It’s no surprise that Ralph Nader isn’t a fan of former President George W. Bush. After all, the longtime activist ran against him in both 2000 and 2004. But Nader’s even less a fan of President Barack Obama, if only because he thinks Obama was capable of so much more.

On issues related to the military and foreign policy, Obama’s worse than Bush, “in the sense that he’s more aggressive, more illegal worldwide,” Nader said, going so far as to call Obama a “war criminal.”

“He’s gone beyond George W. Bush in drones, for example. He thinks the world is his plate, that national sovereignties mean nothing, drones can go anywhere. They can kill anybody that he suspects and every Tuesday he makes the call on who lives and who dies, supposed suspects in places like Yemen and Pakistan and Afghanistan, and that is a war crime and he ought to be held to account.”

595 Kronocide  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:19:18am

re: #592 HappyWarrior

101st Chairborne.

Keyboard Special Ops

596 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:19:48am

re: #595 Kronocide

Keyboard Special Ops

They install "any" keys on non-compliant keyboards.

597 erik_t  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:21:30am

re: #594 NJDhockeyfan

It's been a while since I saw his name in the news. I didn't even know he was still alive.

Ralph Nader: Obama’s a ‘war criminal’

I wish the right wing marginalized their nutters as effectively as the left.

598 Kragar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:23:31am

re: #597 erik_t

I wish the right wing marginalized their nutters as effectively as the left.

The wingnuts make sure theirs get elected.

599 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:24:31am

re: #594 NJDhockeyfan

It's been a while since I saw his name in the news. I didn't even know he was still alive.

Ralph Nader: Obama’s a ‘war criminal’

Well Ralphie, you could always join forces with Oily Taint and start pressing court cases against him all over the country.

600 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:26:18am

re: #598 Kragar

The wingnuts make sure theirs get elected.

Kucinich: I Agree with Jimmy Carter

601 Kragar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:27:03am

Citizens United ruling accounts for 78 percent of 2012 election spending

Almost $465m of outside money has been spent on the US presidential election campaign so far, including $365m that can be attributed to the supreme court’s landmark Citizens United ruling, according to a report released on Monday.

Super Pacs, which came into effect following the 2010 Citizens United verdict, accounted for $272m of the expenditure in the study, conducted by the Sunlight Foundation, a non-profit organisation devoted to increasing transparency in government.

A further $93m has been spent by corporations, trade associations and non-profits which, according to the supreme court’s decision, are able to spend unlimited amounts on political campaigning without disclosing the source of their funds.

602 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:28:29am

Obama School Lunch Program: 'We Are Hungry' Parody Goes Viral, Students Protest Policy (VIDEO)

A new video has gone viral, and it is condemning the Healthy, Hunger-Free Kids Act of 2010 that has been largely pushed by First Lady Michelle Obama.

The new lunch program went into effect in August, and while it has raised the value of a school lunch from .20 to .25 cents, a number of children appear to be unhappy with their new meals.

The new plan was intended to "[increase] the availability of fruits, vegetables, and whole grains in the school menu," according to the program regulations. Caloric limits were also set to "ensure age-appropriate meals for grades K-5 (650 cal limit), 6-8 (700 cal limit), and 9-12 (850 cal limit)."

...But parents and students have complained that their children are still hungry. Student athletes, in particular, state that they burn too many calories to be limited to so few.

"A lot of us are starting to get hungry even before the practice begins," Mukwonago High senior Nick Blohm told The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. "Our metabolisms are all sped up."

Here is the video...

603 Kragar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:29:20am

What is... I don't even know...

Coulter: It was ‘paradise’ after O.J. got off because ‘white guilt’ was over

During an interview on Fox News, Coulter told host Sean Hannity that her new book “Mugged: Racial Demagoguery from the Seventies to Obama” proved that “everyone — blacks especially — are better off when the white guilt bank is shut down as it was for more than a decade after the O.J. verdict.”

“Liberals kept trying to push the racial narrative in their newspapers and on TV, but Americans just weren’t buying it,” she explained. “After Oct. 3, 1994 when they heard the verdict and saw black law students at Howard University cheering it, that was it.”

“And for a dozen years, we had paradise. Suddenly, people weren’t walking on eggshells, you could have [then-New York City Mayor Rudy] Giuliani enforcing sane criminal laws in New York and not caring that we was constantly being called a racist by liberals and Al Sharpton, the Clinton administration. And look what it did, it transformed the city and it saved — because the policies were continued — tens of thousands of black lives.”

604 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:29:26am

How is it going this afternoon?

605 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:29:29am

re: #600 Killgore Trout

Kucinich: I Agree with Jimmy Carter

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And the MBF drops back in the pocket for the Hail Mary!

606 kirkspencer  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:31:17am

re: #586 Kragar

Texas Lawmaker To Muslim American: ‘If You Want To Be An American Act Like One’

I moved into her district about five months ago. Being a research nut I already looked into her. This isn't atypical of her. For further example:

Where did this idea come from that everybody deserves free education, free medical care, free whatever? It comes from Moscow, from Russia. It comes straight out of the pit of hell. And it's cleverly disguised as having a tender heart. It's not a tender heart. It's ripping the heart out of this country.

or

The fact is it is documented. Over 81 percent of the babies that are born at LBJ Hospital right here in Houston are born of women who are not here legally. It is well-known that women come over here, cross the border in order to have the babies here because once they get here and once that little American citizen is born and becomes an anchor baby — look, I'm a grandmother of 10, I love children, but the fact is this is breaking the back of the taxpayers of Texas and the United States.

607 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:31:17am

re: #602 NJDhockeyfan

Obama School Lunch Program: 'We Are Hungry' Parody Goes Viral, Students Protest Policy (VIDEO)

Here is the video...

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I'm to tired to watch the video -- I will see that student's involved in afterschool activities need enough to get them thru. or an afternoon snack. Athletes do need the extra carbs, but I have a feeing it isn't as much as the Snack Food Industry lobbyists would suggest.

608 Kragar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:31:36am

re: #605 William Barnett-Lewis

And the MBF drops back in the pocket for the Hail Mary!

Ref declares it simultaneously a touchdown and an incomplete pass.

609 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:31:38am

re: #600 Killgore Trout

Kucinich: I Agree with Jimmy Carter

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That's a policy debate, not wingnuttery. After I get Obama re-elected I'll come after him for failure to close Gitmo, failing to nail down a legal basis for drone attacks, and continuation of Bush's Patriot Act abuses.

610 Kragar  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:32:21am

re: #606 kirkspencer

I moved into her district about five months ago. Being a research nut I already looked into her. This isn't atypical of her. For further example:

or

What a nitwit.

611 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:33:14am

re: #609 Decatur Deb

That's a policy debate, not wingnuttery. After I get Obama re-elected I'll come after him for failure to close Gitmo, failing to nail down a legal basis for drone attacks, and continuation of Bush's Patriot Act abuses.

And inadequate immigration policy and punishment of medical marijuana users.

612 Mattand  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:34:46am

re: #608 Kragar

Ref declares it simultaneously a touchdown and an incomplete pass.

Fortunately, the MBF shrugged off the call because, hey, all refs are the same regardless of sport.

613 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:34:48am
614 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:36:16am

re: #603 Kragar

What is... I don't even know...

Coulter: It was ‘paradise’ after O.J. got off because ‘white guilt’ was over

There she goes again.

615 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:36:49am

re: #613 Targetpractice

Seriously?

I'm not going to damage my brain trying to comprehend.

616 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:37:22am

re: #606 kirkspencer

I moved into her district about five months ago. Being a research nut I already looked into her. This isn't atypical of her. For further example:

or

Whoa boy.

617 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:40:13am

re: #607 ggt

I'm to tired to watch the video -- I will see that student's involved in afterschool activities need enough to get them thru. or an afternoon snack. Athletes do need the extra carbs, but I have a feeing it isn't as much as the Snack Food Industry lobbyists would suggest.

It's a ridiculous idea to think kids are going to eat tofu and black bean salads for lunch. All of it is just going to end up in the trash can and those kids are going to be starving when they get home.

618 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:43:49am

re: #610 Kragar

What a nitwit.

But full sensitivity to radical Christians is to be expected as SOP.

619 Interesting Times  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:44:50am

re: #617 NJDhockeyfan

It's a ridiculous idea to think kids are going to eat tofu and black bean salads for lunch. All of it is just going to end up in the trash can and those kids are going to be starving when they get home.

Durr hurr, let's feed them vats of high-fructose corn syrup instead!

620 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:45:40am

re: #608 Kragar

Ref declares it simultaneously a touchdown and an incomplete pass.

Homerun!

621 bratwurst  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:46:18am

Everyone is an expert on what WON'T stem the epidemic of obesity...wish some of the same people would put their minds to coming up with ideas that might help.

622 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:46:45am

re: #619 Interesting Times

Lets just starve them instead!
//

623 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:47:22am

re: #617 NJDhockeyfan

It's a ridiculous idea to think kids are going to eat tofu and black bean salads for lunch. All of it is just going to end up in the trash can and those kids are going to be starving when they get home.

Nice false equivalency there - oh wait, let's be honest and just say you're lying to support you're chosen narrative.

The schools however, are still responsible for developing the menu, and must only comply with the regulations of the lunch program in order to receive funding. Some schools have continued to offer things like pizza, but on a wheat crust, and fish nuggets, but baked instead of fried according to the Huffington Post.
Read more at [Link: global.christianpost.com...]

Wheat crust pizza (whole grains), and baked rather than fried fish nuggets. No mention of tofu and black bean salad being forced upon these poor suffering children.

624 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:47:51am

re: #617 NJDhockeyfan

Uh, let's see...

Hayward Public Schools lunch
9/25:
Whole grain breaded chicken nuggets with slice of whole grain bread
or
Deli Combo Sub

Seasoned Green Beans
Broccoli salad with rasins
Grapes
Applesauce.


Nope, no tofu or black beans. Just a good healthy meal that meets the new regulations.

625 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:48:09am

re: #617 NJDhockeyfan

It's a ridiculous idea to think kids are going to eat tofu and black bean salads for lunch. All of it is just going to end up in the trash can and those kids are going to be starving when they get home.

How about a bean and (brown) rice burrito with some good salsa? Similar nutrition, and much higher rate of consumption.

Now I'm hungry...

626 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:48:34am

re: #621 bratwurst

Everyone is an expert on what WON'T stem the epidemic of obesity...wish some of the same people would put their minds to coming up with ideas that might help.

How about letting parents do that? Some parents probably need a few lessons on healthy food instead of feeding them sugar pops in the morning and fast food at night.

627 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:50:42am

re: #623 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Nice false equivalency there - oh wait, let's be honest and just say you're lying to support you're chosen narrative.

I don't think so.

Students Trash Veggies Rather Than Eat Them

...With the new federal regulations, kids can't pass up both the fruits and veggies when going through the lunch line anymore. But administrators in Pierre say that food is feeding the trash more than the students.

"I know a lot of my friends who are just drinking a jug of milk for their lunch. And they are not getting a proper meal," middle school student Samantha Gortmaker said.

You can see from the garbage line, a lot of the healthy foods kids have to put on their plates aren't going in their stomachs. Some are concerned certain kids need more food than they're allowed to take under the new regulations.

Schools need to keep students below a certain calorie count depending on their age. Darrel Davis heads the school lunch program in Pierre.

"When they're running cross country and burning 3,000 calories a day, they need more energy. They need more fuel," Darrel Davis said.

...

628 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:52:14am

re: #626 NJDhockeyfan

How about letting parents do that? Some parents probably need a few lessons on healthy food instead of feeding them sugar pops in the morning and fast food at night.

And how many parents have the time these days to get those lessons? My folks certainly didn't, there were nights were they didn't get home before 6pm, bone weary and ready to fall over. They weren't about to spend another hour cooking a meal for 4 when a call to Pizza Hut would do.

629 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:53:19am

re: #627 NJDhockeyfan

I don't think so.

Students Trash Veggies Rather Than Eat Them

Where is "tofu" or "black beans" mentioned in that article, or the Huff Post article you started with?

630 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:53:32am

Due to a scheduling snafu, the Morning Wingnut Wave will arrive in the afternoon today. Thank you for your understanding.

631 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:54:44am

re: #628 Targetpractice

And how many parents have the time these days to get those lessons? My folks certainly didn't, there were nights were they didn't get home before 6pm, bone weary and ready to fall over. They weren't about to spend another hour cooking a meal for 4 when a call to Pizza Hut would do.

My mother worked 2 jobs and raised 3 kids by herself. She still found time to feed us great meals at home instead of bringing home cheese burgers from McDonalds. Don't tell me it cant be done.

632 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:55:31am

re: #617 NJDhockeyfan

It's a ridiculous idea to think kids are going to eat tofu and black bean salads for lunch. All of it is just going to end up in the trash can and those kids are going to be starving when they get home.

Perhaps, yet they do not need 5 servings of corn, potatoes, bread, pasta and did I mention corn and potatoes.

Many of the foods we eat are basically corn and potatoes. Cheap and all carbs. And people wonder why they can't lose weight.

I've found that most kids will eat what is put in front of them if they are hungry. I remember lunch time (in high school anyway) is more about social stuff than it is the food.

What about chickpeas and black bean salad? Perhaps with some chicken chunks?

633 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:55:54am

re: #624 William Barnett-Lewis

Uh, let's see...

Hayward Public Schools lunch
9/25:
Whole grain breaded chicken nuggets with slice of whole grain bread
or
Deli Combo Sub

Seasoned Green Beans
Broccoli salad with rasins
Grapes
Applesauce.

Nope, no tofu or black beans. Just a good healthy meal that meets the new regulations.

That looks quite similiar to what I had. Also, is it just me or if kids don't feel the school lunches are filling them up adequately, perhaps they should make their own lunches? After elementary school, I always brought my own lunch.

634 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:56:00am

re: #631 NJDhockeyfan

My mother worked 2 jobs and raised 3 kids by herself. She still found time to feed us great meals at home instead of bringing home cheese burgers from McDonalds. Don't tell me it cant be done.

I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm saying that, for most folks, the time and effort ain't gonna add up in their heads. For the cost of those organic carrots, they could buy a bag of chicken nuggets that would feed 3 kids for a week.

635 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:56:19am

re: #631 NJDhockeyfan

My mother worked 2 jobs and raised 3 kids by herself. She still found time to feed us great meals at home instead of bringing home cheese burgers from McDonalds. Don't tell me it cant be done.

I think it is also possible to teach your kids to eat the vegetables at school instead of throwing them in the trash. (Except maybe the broccoli with raisins...)

636 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:57:24am

re: #632 ggt

Perhaps, yet they do not need 5 servings of corn, potatoes, bread, pasta and did I mention corn and potatoes.

Many of the foods we eat are basically corn and potatoes. Cheap and all carbs. And people wonder why they can't lose weight.

I've found that most kids will eat what is put in front of them if they are hungry. I remember lunch time (in high school anyway) is more about social stuff than it is the food.

What about chickpeas and black bean salad? Perhaps with some chicken chunks?

The potato lobby made sure that potatoes stayed on the menu with too great a frequency.

637 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:57:52am

re: #631 NJDhockeyfan

My mother worked 2 jobs and raised 3 kids by herself. She still found time to feed us great meals at home instead of bringing home cheese burgers from McDonalds. Don't tell me it cant be done.

It can, but probably not consistently. Food from windows, perhaps can be considered Friday thing. One of the best ideas is to cook on the weekend and freeze meal sized portions for the rest of the week.

but who wants to give up a whole day to shopping and cooking EVERY WEEKEND? Without teamwork from the rest of the family, I couldn't do it.

638 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:58:04am

re: #635 wrenchwench

I think it is also possible to teach your kids to eat the vegetables at school instead of throwing them in the trash. (Except maybe the broccoli with raisins...)

Thankfully the green beans are edible ;)

639 Interesting Times  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:58:28am

re: #631 NJDhockeyfan

My mother worked 2 jobs and raised 3 kids by herself. She still found time to feed us great meals at home instead of bringing home cheese burgers from McDonalds. Don't tell me it cant be done.

And don't tell us the plural of your anecdote is data. Rightwingers have a horrid habit of assuming that, just because something applies to them personally, it automagically applies to nearly every other person in existence no matter what.

640 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:58:55am

Honestly I don't know why some kids like the more fatty items on the school menu. I hated the pizza. The hot dogs weren't much better. Hence as I said why I brought.

641 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:58:56am

re: #638 William Barnett-Lewis

Thankfully the green beans are edible ;)

Always! :)

642 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:59:09am

re: #639 Interesting Times

And don't tell us the plural of your anecdote is data. Rightwingers have a horrid habit of assuming that, just because something applies to them personally, it automagically applies to nearly every other person in existence no matter what.

"Some people Say" is not a credible source :)

saw it on fb as a Fox jab.

643 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:59:20am

re: #634 Targetpractice

I'm not saying it can't be done. I'm saying that, for most folks, the time and effort ain't gonna add up in their heads. For the cost of those organic carrots, they could buy a bag of chicken nuggets that would feed 3 kids for a week.

Habit and tradition play a large factor as well. Seen programs about food banks and such where they are getting donations from local bakeries of multi-grain and whole wheat loaves that are passed over for the Wonder Bread and equivalents since that is what the people are familiar with eating.

644 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:59:21am

re: #641 wrenchwench

Always! :)

better with garlic

645 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 10:59:42am

re: #629 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Where is "tofu" or "black beans" mentioned in that article, or the Huff Post article you started with?

Healthy food policy at school jumpstarts chocolate syrup trade

...The rules, which apply to schools across the state, also reduce the amount of protein served to high schoolers, and increase servings of fruit and vegetables — going so far as to specify how many servings of green vegetables, legumes, and red/orange vegetables should be consumed each week.

"We're only doing what we're supposed to do," said Voc-Tech Superintendent Linda Enos. "It wasn't a choice that we had."

The changes are especially hard at the elementary school level, where hummus and black bean salad have been a tough sell, said Nancy Carvalho, director of food services for the New Bedford Public Schools, adding that bowls of chili served Wednesday to comply with the legume specifications were "not a very good decision."

"It's hard to plan the menu for things that you think the child is going to consume, like the legumes especially," Carvalho said.

Legumes come from pods and include beans, peas, peanuts and sprouts. She said she will tweak her menu if it becomes clear that certain meals aren't working.

Nothing gets an elementary school student more excited than a nice plate of hummus and black bean salad. Yum!

646 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:00:13am

re: #644 ggt

better with garlic butter.

FTFMe

647 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:01:37am

re: #645 NJDhockeyfan

Healthy food policy at school jumpstarts chocolate syrup trade

Nothing gets an elementary school student more excited than a nice plate of hummus and black bean salad. Yum!

Still no tofu (hummus is made from chick peas). And nice goalpost shift to a new article outside of the previous set. Keep going, I'm sure you'll find a tofu reference soon.

648 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:01:40am

At least they're not serving the kids Lima beans. Yuck. I like veggies and greens as much as the next person but yuck.

649 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:01:50am

I'd love to see a comparison of typical dietary menu for school lunches from the decades --50's, 60's, 70's etc.

650 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:02:13am

re: #648 HappyWarrior

At least they're not serving the kids Lima beans. Yuck. I like veggies and greens as much as the next person but yuck.

I hear if you cook them right, they taste like chicken . . .

651 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:03:01am

re: #647 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Still no tofu (hummus is made from chick peas). And nice goalpost shift to a new article outside of the previous set. Keep going, I'm sure you'll find a tofu reference soon.

Tofu, hummus, kids treat them the same...yucky.

652 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:03:04am

re: #649 ggt

I'd love to see a comparison of typical dietary menu for school lunches from the decades --50's, 60's, 70's etc.

Spam, spam, spam, spam, spammity spam.

653 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:03:19am

re: #650 ggt

I hear if you cook them right, they taste like chicken . . .

Ha! You know what I've come to like recently since I've had it with a few dinners lately are Brussels sprouts. But then again I'm rare in that I actually like cabbage.

654 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:03:23am

re: #643 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Habit and tradition play a large factor as well. Seen programs about food banks and such where they are getting donations from local bakeries of multi-grain and whole wheat loaves that are passed over for the Wonder Bread and equivalents since that is what the people are familiar with eating.

Indeed, though I've grown to like wheat bread and tried other kinds. I prefer white, but I'm willing to try new things. My mother taught me from an early age that, before I decide I hate something, I should at least try it.

655 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:04:51am

re: #648 HappyWarrior

At least they're not serving the kids Lima beans. Yuck. I like veggies and greens as much as the next person but yuck.

When I was in 4th and 5th grade one of the choices was liver. Other than teachers I don't recall any students chewing on it.

656 simoom  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:06:00am

re: #617 NJDhockeyfan

It's a ridiculous idea to think kids are going to eat tofu and black bean salads for lunch. All of it is just going to end up in the trash can and those kids are going to be starving when they get home.

What's ridiculous is that a small town teacher pens a script and directs some students protesting over how her school is implementing the nutritional guidelines, and a local GOP politician and a U.S. Rep Steve King promote it into some ridiculous national political outrageous outrage, name dropping in Michelle Obama, the entire Right's apparent nemesis, as a finishing touch.

[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com...]

State education and nutrition officials say portion sizes at most districts haven’t changed. Students in Wichita, for instance, can get more food at lunch this year because there’s a wider array of options, a la carte items and nearly unlimited servings of fruits and vegetables.

Pockets of protest seem to be coming from districts that once ignored calorie maximums, said Cheryl Johnson, director of child nutrition and wellness for the Kansas Department of Education.

...

The new guidelines — the first major overhaul of school meals in 15 years — also require cafeterias to serve less fat and sodium and more fruits, vegetables and whole grains.

Linda O’Connor, an English teacher at Wallace County High School, penned the “We Are Hungry” parody after a colleague, Brenda Kirkham, posted a photo of her school lunch on Facebook and sparked dozens of outraged comments.

...

Vicki Hoffman, director of nutrition services for Wichita schools, said reaction to the new lunches so far has been mostly positive.

...

Sam Eckels, a sophomore at Northeast Magnet High School in Wichita, said his school lunch portions — one recent day it was steak fingers, mashed potatoes with gravy, peas and applesauce — are adequate. But he packs fruit snacks and a sports drink to keep him going through after-school basketball conditioning at East High.

“The lunches are pretty good,” he said last week. “I don’t see any difference from last year.”

Steak fingers, mashed potatoes with gravy, peas and applesauce, otherwise known as tofu in the RW blogosphere.

657 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:07:37am

re: #656 simoom

What's ridiculous is that a small town teacher pens a script and directs some students protesting how her school is implementing the nutritional guidelines, and a local GOP politician and a U.S. Rep Steve King promote it into some ridiculous national political outrageous outrage, name dropping in their Michelle Obama, the entire Right's apparent nemesis, as a finishing touch.

[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com...]

Steak fingers, mashed potatoes with gravy, peas and applesauce apparently is now referred, otherwise known as tofu in the RW blogosphere.

Yeah this is a fauxrage if there ever was one.

658 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:09:06am

re: #657 HappyWarrior

Yeah this is a fauxrage if there ever was one.

You might want to tell the kids that are dumping their lunches in the trash can. They are the ones who are having the biggest problem with it.

659 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:09:26am

Frank says:
I want a garden!

660 simoom  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:09:33am

re: #657 HappyWarrior

Heh, cleaned up a bunch of my typos after seeing the mess I'd created quoted in your comment ;-P. Saved by the edit feature.

661 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:10:52am

re: #623 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Nice false equivalency there - oh wait, let's be honest and just say you're lying to support you're chosen narrative.

Wheat crust pizza (whole grains), and baked rather than fried fish nuggets. No mention of tofu and black bean salad being forced upon these poor suffering children.

And as for the athletes, bring a snack from home to have after school before practice. I do that for my kid so he has something to munch on before football practice. The kids are being fed for the school day, not to hold them all night long. They have to go to school, athletics is a choice to participate so they should be prepared for the extra time at the school yard.

662 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:11:15am

re: #658 NJDhockeyfan

You might want to tell the kids that are dumping their lunches in the trash can. They are the ones who are having the biggest problem with it.

Did you see that link? These kids are eating steak fingers, mashed potatoes, and apple sauce. And as I said, if you have a problem with what the schools are providing, bring your own lunch. It's not rocket science.

663 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:12:55am

re: #651 NJDhockeyfan

Tofu, hummus, kids treat them the same...yucky.

When my twin sisters were eating baby food, my mom would take whatever the big people were having for dinner, toss some in the blender, and feed it to the babies. They were never picky eaters.

664 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:13:14am

re: #627 NJDhockeyfan

I don't think so.

Students Trash Veggies Rather Than Eat Them

Because kids always make the best choices for themselves. You know, being immortal and all. Maybe they should just put a cig machine in the lobby. Bring more money into the school district.

665 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:14:34am

re: #658 NJDhockeyfan

You might want to tell the kids that are dumping their lunches in the trash can. They are the ones who are having the biggest problem with it.

They're doing what all kids do: Picking out the parts they like and junking the rest. Giving them junk food and saying "Sorry we forced you to try new things" is not a way to get them on a healthier diet.

666 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:15:13am

re: #662 HappyWarrior

Did you see that link? These kids are eating steak fingers, mashed potatoes, and apple sauce. And as I said, if you have a problem with what the schools are providing, bring your own lunch. It's not rocket science.

You seem to have missed the part about food ending up in the trash.

...With the new federal regulations, kids can't pass up both the fruits and veggies when going through the lunch line anymore. But administrators in Pierre say that food is feeding the trash more than the students.

"I know a lot of my friends who are just drinking a jug of milk for their lunch. And they are not getting a proper meal," middle school student Samantha Gortmaker said.

You can see from the garbage line, a lot of the healthy foods kids have to put on their plates aren't going in their stomachs. Some are concerned certain kids need more food than they're allowed to take under the new regulations.

667 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:15:20am

re: #662 HappyWarrior

Did you see that link? These kids are eating steak fingers, mashed potatoes, and apple sauce. And as I said, if you have a problem with what the schools are providing, bring your own lunch. It's not rocket science.

but but but it's more fun to troll about TOFU!!!

668 simoom  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:15:45am

re: #658 NJDhockeyfan

You might want to tell the kids that are dumping their lunches in the trash can. They are the ones who are having the biggest problem with it.

Kids were incredibly wasteful back when I was in grade-school too. Back then it was all chocolate milk, pizza, chicken fingers, tatter tots and sometimes shepherds pie that we'd pile high on our trays. By the end of lunch the waste-bins would be filled to the brim with half-eaten food and servings. By high-school they'd moved to small servings and much healthier food, and everyone's palates got used to the change pretty quickly.

669 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:16:35am

re: #636 wrenchwench

The potato lobby made sure that potatoes stayed on the menu with too great a frequency.

BIG POTATO(*E) LOBBY!


* for an ex VP

Don't bend over in the garden grandma, them taters got eyes.

670 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:17:16am

re: #667 William Barnett-Lewis

Killer Tofu! Sorry being a 90's kid. But more seriously, this all seems completely normal and some of the menu items I am seeing actually sound better than what they gave us not even eight years ago.

671 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:17:32am

re: #668 simoom

Kids were incredibly wasteful back when I was in grade-school too. Back then it was all chocolate milk, pizza, chicken fingers, tatter tots and sometimes shepherds pie that we'd pile high on our trays. By the end of lunch the waste-bins would be filled to the brim with half-eaten food and servings. By high-school they'd moved to small servings and much healthier food, and everyone's palates got used to the change pretty quickly.

Mmmmmm....tatter tots.

672 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:18:35am

Speaking of potatoes, I can't believe that once upon a time I hated sweet potatoes. And praise Mrs. T's for having sweet potato pierogis now.

673 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:19:52am

re: #670 HappyWarrior

Killer Tofu! Sorry being a 90's kid. But more seriously, this all seems completely normal and some of the menu items I am seeing actually sound better than what they gave us not even eight years ago.

Hell, I don't really remember getting even a full meal in high school, but that's because the lunch room was on one side of the school, the class I was leaving on another, and the class I needed to be at in 15 minutes at another. I was lucky if I could grab a cheeseburger and milk in the lunch line before my next class started.

674 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:21:48am

re: #673 Targetpractice

Hell, I don't really remember getting even a full meal in high school, but that's because the lunch room was on one side of the school, the class I was leaving on another, and the class I needed to be at in 15 minutes at another. I was lucky if I could grab a cheeseburger and milk in the lunch line before my next class started.

Yeah I remember feeling rushed for time too. Had more time in grade school and middle school. I have vague memories though of being in kindergarten and being able to eat in the cafeteria for the first time. I was so excited for the food and god I ended up hating it. Lunchtime was always more fun for the social chit chat than the food anyhow.

675 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:21:51am

re: #666 NJDhockeyfan

You seem to have missed the part about food ending up in the trash.

From watching the Jamie Oliver series (both us and UK versions) kids do this at first. It takes them a while to get used to healthier food. In many, if not most cases, the kids have been raised on microwave meals and junk food so the real food is alien to them.

676 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:22:20am

Another example of school lunch lunacy...

Preschooler’s Homemade Lunch Replaced with Cafeteria “Nuggets”

RAEFORD — A preschooler at West Hoke Elementary School ate three chicken nuggets for lunch Jan. 30 because the school told her the lunch her mother packed was not nutritious.

The girl’s turkey and cheese sandwich, banana, potato chips, and apple juice did not meet U.S. Department of Agriculture guidelines, according to the interpretation of the person who was inspecting all lunch boxes in the More at Four classroom that day.

The Division of Child Development and Early Education at the Department of Health and Human Services requires all lunches served in pre-kindergarten programs — including in-home day care centers — to meet USDA guidelines. That means lunches must consist of one serving of meat, one serving of milk, one serving of grain, and two servings of fruit or vegetables, even if the lunches are brought from home.

When home-packed lunches do not include all of the required items, child care providers must supplement them with the missing ones.

The girl’s mother — who said she wishes to remain anonymous to protect her daughter from retaliation — said she received a note from the school stating that students who did not bring a “healthy lunch” would be offered the missing portions, which could result in a fee from the cafeteria, in her case $1.25.

Turkey and cheese sandwiches are not nutritious?

677 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:25:36am

re: #648 HappyWarrior

At least they're not serving the kids Lima beans. Yuck. I like veggies and greens as much as the next person but yuck.

I'll take yours, Lima beans are the best.

678 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:28:01am

re: #677 Eventual Carrion

I'll take yours, Lima beans are the best.

Heh please do.

679 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:28:17am

re: #651 NJDhockeyfan

Tofu, hummus, kids treat them the same...yucky.

Same with broccoli, cauliflower, many other veggies, etc.. If left to their devices the kids would eat cake, ice cream, and skittles all the live long day while washing it down with a big gulp Mountain Dew.

680 simoom  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:29:11am

re: #676 NJDhockeyfan

Another example of school lunch lunacy...

Preschooler’s Homemade Lunch Replaced with Cafeteria “Nuggets”

Turkey and cheese sandwiches are not nutritious?

Again, you're focusing on how individual localities have chosen to implement nutritional guidelines and trying to make a national case out of it, and with respect to that particular story, I'd imagine that teacher inspecting lunches and replacing food is completely botching whatever their local school board mandated, and according to the article they're clearly operating outside the state regulation.

681 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:29:37am

re: #679 Eventual Carrion

Same with broccoli, cauliflower, many other veggies, etc.. If left to their devices the kids would eat cake, ice cream, and skittles all the live long day while washing it down with a big gulp Mountain Dew.

My girls love veggies, especially broccoli and green beans. Cauliflower not so much.

682 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:31:54am

re: #681 NJDhockeyfan

My girls love veggies, especially broccoli and green beans. Cauliflower not so much.

Love cauliflower, especially steamed. But also love it and broccoli, along with some carrot and celery, to dip in ranch dressing.

683 Ming  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:33:32am

re: #58 Charles Johnson

He's [Romney] no monster...

I'm not sure I agree. I think it's important to note how little is known about Romney as a person. "Monster" is an extreme term, and I'm not inclined to apply it to Romney. But neither am I inclined to assume he has any good personal qualities.

He certainly has no compunctions about lying, and I really believe one reason he picked Ryan is that Ryan also feels free to lie about anything, anytime. An honest running mate would have created some awkward moments during the campaign, and in the White House.

We may know more about Romney as time goes on. But even some basic facts, like his involvement in his church and his company, Bain Capital, seem blurry when it comes to understanding him as a person. He may or may not be a "monster", but it seems like he could be, well, just about anything. I must say, I find this quite disturbing, considering how close he is to the Presidency.

684 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Sep 25, 2012 11:58:55am

re: #681 NJDhockeyfan

My girls love veggies, especially broccoli and green beans. Cauliflower not so much.

That seems to be a hard one to get most kids to eat. None of my boys like it, but all would eat broccoli, green beans, Lima's, and most other veggies. My middle boy even likes peas (which I never could take a liking to), so I don't know where that came from (probably school).


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