Is Barack Obama the Antichrist? Well, amazingly enough, religious right caveman Bryan Fischer thinks it’s too early to say.
But I sense that he’s leaning toward “yes.”
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jaunte Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:19:02pm |
Zero self-awareness. Bryan Fischer has no internal mirror.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:21:36pm |
*doggedly keeping a straight face*
So--when will we know?
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freetoken Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:22:11pm |
"Satan is always grooming a religion to be a counterfeit ..."
Fischer et. al. seem obsessed with satanism. Soon we can expect goat skulls and bloody goblets.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:23:19pm |
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Ojoe Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:23:32pm |
The Anti-Christ was that Land-Rover which winched itself into a tree, in, I think, the movie "The Gods Must Be Crazy."
So the position has been taken.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:23:53pm |
The same could be said of any of these so-called spiritual leaders or the heads of those mega-churches.
Lookin at you Bryan...
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Joanne Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:25:03pm |
How is that complete lunatics have so much sway in our politics? We elect religious loons like Bachmann and Santorum. Gingrich, a serial whore, perfectly okie dokie. Wtf? How do real religious people not see through this?
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darthstar Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:25:29pm |
#ImWithMitt because I know of no other politician who's made @joemsnbc bury his face in his hands and cry "Sweet JESUS".— Deborah N. Tornello (@litbrit) September 27, 2012
Ha!
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engineer cat Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:26:29pm |
american elections explained:
In 2008 the Republican turnout was 59 million.
In 2008 the Democrat turnout was 69 million.
In 2010 the Republican turnout was 44 million.
In 2010 the Democrat turnout was 39 million.
nuff said
VOTE!
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Gus Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:27:48pm |
Ah. That was refreshing. Bryan Fischer is only an "Obama's the Antichrist!" skeptic.
//
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:29:53pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:30:21pm |
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jaunte Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:30:22pm |
re: #8 Joanne (JustJay)
How is that complete lunatics have so much sway in our politics? We elect religious loons like Bachmann and Santorum. Gingrich, a serial whore, perfectly okie dokie. Wtf? How do real religious people not see through this?
Dick Morris will guide them.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:31:55pm |
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aagcobb Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:33:19pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:34:45pm |
re: #10 engineer cat
american elections explained:
In 2008 the Republican turnout was 59 million.
In 2008 the Democrat turnout was 69 million.
In 2010 the Republican turnout was 44 million.
In 2010 the Democrat turnout was 39 million.
nuff said
VOTE!
Just finished our training to enter Obama For America data from canvassers, phone contacts and registrations. Now qualified to screw the TPGOP in two states.
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Tigger2005 Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:35:59pm |
Why doesn't his god just tell him? I mean, isn't this important information for his followers to have? Why would he want to leave them guessing? Surely he can arrange to tell them with a suitably miraculous flourish so as to leave them with no doubt.
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engineer cat Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:39:09pm |
re: #21 aagcobb
When he's not busy fucking an escort.
and here i thought all those nice ladies in the yellow pages were just being hired to accompany gentlemen to the restaurant when they happened to be alone in a strange city without a dining companion
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Obdicut Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:39:15pm |
re: #24 Tigger2005
The one adjective that often seems to describe the way that god (supposedly) acts is 'coy'.
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Gus Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:40:13pm |
I think Fischer needs to spend two weeks in the Sonora desert doing shrooms and drinking 3.2 beer with no clothes on.
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palomino Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:42:31pm |
As for Morris the Dick, he's the same guy who predicted in June 2008 that Obama had no chance of getting elected.
Having said that, I'd agree that Dems are getting overconfident. Especially if polling data suggests their base is less excited and less likely to turn out than the GOP. From what I've seen lately, that's no longer the case. Has anyone seen data showing a still extant enthusiasm gap for the GOP?
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jaunte Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:42:32pm |
Newt Gingrich advises Mitt on the upcoming debate:
More important than what Romney knows is how he feels.
Is he confident?*
Is he relaxed?**
Is he in command of himself?***
Can he stand up to both the media and the president?
These body language issues are far more important than the specific things he says.
*No
**Hell No
***Totally Clenched
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:43:00pm |
re: #27 Gus
I think Fischer needs to spend two weeks in the Sonora desert doing shrooms and drinking 3.2 beer with no clothes on.
Gus, that couldn't work. If any other man came within Fischer's view, the resultant erection would serve to prove to the world Fischer is really gay.
/Tips hat to Darthstar
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:43:18pm |
re: #27 Gus
I think Fischer needs to spend two weeks in the Sonora desert doing shrooms and drinking 3.2 beer with no clothes on.
Can you imagine if Fischer was ever forced to go to Burning Man?
Even better, put him on the Hunter S. Thompson diet (booze, drugs, then even more booze and drugs)...
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jamesfirecat Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:43:30pm |
re: #27 Gus
I think Fischer needs to spend two weeks in the Sonora desert doing shrooms and drinking 3.2 beer with no clothes on.
I hear that's how John came up with the Book of Revelations.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:44:05pm |
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Kragar Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:46:07pm |
Is Bryan Fischer a no talent ass clown with serious mental issues?
I think its safe to say.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:46:41pm |
re: #35 Kragar
Is Bryan Fischer a no talent ass clown with serious mental issues?
I think its safe to say.
Seconded.
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Gus Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:46:44pm |
re: #35 Kragar
Is Bryan Fischer a no talent ass clown with serious mental issues?
I think its safe to say.
Seems like it. Let's ask the kid.
//
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:48:05pm |
This Head I Hold
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Decatur Deb Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:49:10pm |
re: #29 palomino
As for Morris the Dick, he's the same guy who predicted in June 2008 that Obama had no chance of getting elected.
Having said that, I'd agree that Dems are getting overconfident. Especially if polling data suggests their base is less excited and less likely to turn out than the GOP. From what I've seen lately, that's no longer the case. Has anyone seen data showing a still extant enthusiasm gap for the GOP?
Nate Silver discussed enthusiasm and its measurement a few days ago. His metric is a bit arcane:
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:50:21pm |
re: #29 palomino
As for Morris the Dick, he's the same guy who predicted in June 2008 that Obama had no chance of getting elected.
Having said that, I'd agree that Dems are getting overconfident. Especially if polling data suggests their base is less excited and less likely to turn out than the GOP. From what I've seen lately, that's no longer the case. Has anyone seen data showing a still extant enthusiasm gap for the GOP?
Paste Romney's head onto McCain's. Same as before.
Paste Romney's head onto McCain's. Same as before.
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Gus Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:53:14pm |
Camera as witness | An aerial photograph of the massacre site Babi Yar taken by the German air force on Sept 26, 1943. ow.ly/5izRS— US Holocaust Museum (@HolocaustMuseum) September 26, 2012
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erik_t Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:54:04pm |
Ho ho ho.
We're going to poll people this weekend on whether they think the polls are rigged— PublicPolicyPolling (@ppppolls) September 27, 2012
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Gus Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:56:19pm |
Odd we used to get thunderstorms all throughout the Summer. Not any more.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 26, 2012 7:59:28pm |
re: #44 Gus
Odd we used to get thunderstorms all throughout the Summer. Not any more.
Weather patterns are going to hell.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:00:06pm |
re: #44 Gus
Odd we used to get thunderstorms all throughout the Summer. Not any more.
[Link: www.droughtmonitor.unl.edu...]
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Tigger2 Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:00:42pm |
re: #10 engineer cat
american elections explained:
In 2008 the Republican turnout was 59 million.
In 2008 the Democrat turnout was 69 million.
In 2010 the Republican turnout was 44 million.
In 2010 the Democrat turnout was 39 million.
nuff said
Midterms suck for us Dem's we need to get out and vote every election like it a Presidential election.
VOTE!
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:05:09pm |
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:05:35pm |
I hadn't seen the tv show 'The Big Bang Theory' until a couple of nights ago.
I kinda like it !
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Mocking Jay Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:06:08pm |
Ha! Patrick Stewart is the replacement John Oliver on the Daily Show.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:08:42pm |
RNC-Backed Company Accused Of Voter Registration Fraud
The Republican Party of Florida has cut ties with a company it paid $1.2 million to register voters after the elections supervisor in Palm Beach County asked the state’s attorney’s office to review 106 “questionable” applications.
Palm Beach County Elections Supervisor Susan Bucher said she turned the applications over to law enforcement officials because of similar-looking signatures, missing information and wrong addresses on the forms. The questionable applications were part of a batch of 304 voter registration forms turned in by the firm using the Republican Party of Florida’s identification number, according to the Palm Beach Post.
Mike Grissom, executive director of the Republican Party of Florida, said the party had hired a Virginia-based firm called Strategic Allied Consultants at the request of the Republican National Committee.
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dragonath Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:08:53pm |
Dang it, John Cole over at Balloon Juice says that Tim F won't be blogging anymore. That's too bad, I always thought he was one of more thoughtful bloggers on the site.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:11:18pm |
re: #51 Kragar
Thankfully, the fraud was caught before it did any damage and it did not involve the party itself. Weasel-deals by assholes happen.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:14:38pm |
re: #53 Dark_Falcon
Thankfully, the fraud was caught before it did any damage and it did not involve the party itself. Weasel-deals by assholes happen.
I'm sure its extremely rare.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:16:09pm |
Florida Officially Restarts Voter Purge, Revised List Still Appears To Be Inaccurate
Florida has officially restarted it’s controversial purge of registered voters less than 6 weeks before election day. Governor Scott’s intention to resume the effort, detailed in a PowerPoint presentation, was first reported by ThinkProgress.
Initially, Florida identified 180,000 potential non-citizens to be purged from the voter rolls. That list was subsequently narrowed down to 2600 “sure fire” non-citizens. When it became clear in early June that even the smaller list was riddled with errors, elections officials stopped the effort.
According to the Miami Herald, Florida has sent just 198 names to local election supervisors. (Of those, no more than 36 have ever cast a ballot.) But there is already evidence that the latest list still is not accurate.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:17:20pm |
re: #54 We're All Welfare Queens Now
I'm sure its extremely rare.
////////////////////////////////////////
Seems like all the real cases of voter fraud lately have come up as absentee ballot scams.
But we need Voter ID laws to keep it fair.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:19:21pm |
Otoh, there is no doubt at all that Fischer is the Anti-Sane; one of many, alas.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:23:23pm |
Voter fraud suspected in East Longmeadow race
The district attorney in Hampden County is investigating whether a Republican candidate for state representative orchestrated an illegal scheme to cast absentee ballots on behalf of hundreds of voters in hope of winning a primary election.
State election officials were tipped off to the potential voter fraud when a suspiciously large number of residents of the Springfield suburb of East Longmeadow suddenly changed party registration from Democrat to independent, making them eligible to vote in the upcoming Republican primary.
When contacted, several of the voters said they had not changed party affiliations, raising concern that someone had switched their party in an attempt to cast fraudulent absentee ballots on their behalf.
Pinal County supervisor hopeful John Enright quits
A Pinal County supervisor candidate has withdrawn from the race in the wake of voter-fraud allegations involving a former companion who, records show, has continued to vote by absentee ballot in the five years since her death.
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Mich-again Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:27:50pm |
Bryan Fischer sounds a bit like Yoda when he talks about Satan grooming a world leader ..
"Always two, there are. No more, no less. A master, and an apprentice."
I wonder if Bryan is any relation to Carrie?
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DisturbedEma Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:28:06pm |
Unsure? Why? Is his Bar Mitzvah Certificate being questioned? //
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Lidane Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:28:57pm |
Ha! This is awesome.
GREAT NEWS EVERYBODY, THE STENCH THING WAS SATIRE! SADLY, THE REST OF MY CAMPAIGN IS TOO— Mexican Mitt Romneez (@MexicanMitt) September 26, 2012
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jaunte Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:29:50pm |
New comet might blaze brighter than the full Moon
[Link: www.astronomynow.com...]
A new comet has been discovered that is predicted to blaze incredibly brilliantly in the skies during late 2013. With a perihelion passage of less than two million kilometres from the Sun on 28 November 2013, current predictions are of an object that will dazzle the eye at up to magnitude —16. That's far brighter than the full Moon.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:30:27pm |
re: #60 Mich-again
Bryan Fischer sounds a bit like Yoda when he talks about Satan grooming a world leader ..
I wonder if Bryan is any relation to Carrie?
No. his name is spelled 'Fischer', her name is spelled 'Fisher' (lacking the 'c').
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:31:03pm |
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Lidane Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:31:16pm |
re: #61 DisturbedEma
Unsure? Why? Is his Bar Mitzvah Certificate being questioned? //
They need to see the long-form bris certificate.
///
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JamesWI Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:36:56pm |
Wow, Colbert just showed a little clip of one of the Fox Blondes calling Qaddafi a "US ally." These people truly are shameless and brainless.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:38:39pm |
Butt Chugging Leads To Severe Alcohol Poisoning Of University Of Tennessee Student
Early Saturday, 20-year-old Alexander P. Broughton of Pi Kappa Alpha was brought to the emergency room and showed a blood-alcohol level thought to be “well over” .4, according to the Knoxville News Sentinel. They believe he ingested the alcohol by butt chugging. Broughton appeared to be “extremely intoxicated and showed signs of physical and possible sexual assault,” a report obtained by the Knoxville News Sentinel states.
Butt chugging was formally known as an alcohol enema. An individual basically "drinks" the fluid into his or her rectum with a tube or hose. The alcohol's effects come quickly and potently.
In the house, officers found several young males passed out in their bedrooms with “bags from wine boxes, some empty and some partially empty, strewn across the halls and rooms."
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:40:43pm |
re: #68 Kragar
If you've gotten to the point that you are putting alcohol up your rear, you might want to start re-thinking a few of your life choices.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:41:20pm |
re: #63 jaunte
Clearly this will be the mesmerizing tool of anti-Christ Obama to hypnotize Americans into implementing the next step of Satan's plans.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:43:15pm |
re: #69 Mostly sane, most of the time.
If you've gotten to the point that you are putting alcohol up your rear, you might want to start re-thinking a few of your life choices.
At least now we know what the lead up to "Wrecked him? Damn near killed him!" was.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:44:06pm |
re: #44 Gus
Odd we used to get thunderstorms all throughout the Summer. Not any more.
I'm missing Ludwig, here!
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:44:28pm |
re: #68 Kragar
Who...I mean how...
What a waste of alcohol. What kind of person is willing to pour liquor in someone's butt?
And why would you want it in there?
Nasty.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:45:06pm |
re: #70 freetoken
Clearly this will be the mesmerizing tool of anti-Christ Obama to hypnotize Americans into implementing the next step of Satan's plans.
No, no, get your stories right! The comet will light up the night when close to the sun, thus signaling the president's allies to begin their roundup of Real Americans. Without cover of darkness, many Patriots will be unable to escape and will be disarmed and herded into FEMA Camps!!1
///
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:45:42pm |
re: #44 Gus 802
Odd we used to get thunderstorms all throughout the Summer. Not any more.
I now call autumn monsoon season.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:45:47pm |
Hey Dark_Falcon...how'd the interview go today? I interviewed one of my former employees today...everyone liked her...hopefully I can talk her into leaving my old company.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:46:28pm |
re: #74 Reverend Mother Ramallo
Who...I mean how...
What a waste of alcohol. What kind of person is willing to pour liquor in someone's butt?
And why would you want it in there?
Nasty.
The idea is to get drunk (alcohol is actually absorbed into the bloodstream faster via the anus) without having your breath smell like alcohol.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:48:20pm |
re: #78 darthstar
Hey Dark_Falcon...how'd the interview go today? I interviewed one of my former employees today...everyone liked her...hopefully I can talk her into leaving my old company.
It went well, and went through all three of the parts they were able to do (due to scheduling issues I wasn't able to talk to the man who runs the office). I should know by Friday if they want me back for a second interview.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:51:38pm |
re: #80 Dark_Falcon
It went well, and went through all three of the parts they were able to do (due to scheduling issues I wasn't able to talk to the man who runs the office). I should know by Friday if they want me back for a second interview.
Good luck, man.
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Ming Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:52:06pm |
re: #27 Gus
I think Fischer needs to spend two weeks in the Sonora desert doing shrooms and drinking 3.2 beer with no clothes on.
He'd get stung by a scorpion, and blame it on Obama.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:52:25pm |
re: #79 Dark_Falcon
The idea is to get drunk (alcohol is actually absorbed into the bloodstream faster via the anus) without having your breath smell like alcohol.
I get that, but if I had the choice between my breath smelling like alcohol, and being rushed to the emergency room because my ass (literally) was so drunk I could die...
Yep, still nasty.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:52:42pm |
re: #27 Gus
I think Fischer needs to spend two weeks in the Sonora desert doing shrooms and drinking 3.2 beer with no clothes on.
I'll do that!
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:57:35pm |
This one is for Freetoken, for it seems that Kim Kardashian's ex-spouse Kris Humphries actually organized a charity event for poor children and teens in New York. Called the Kris Humphries Challenge For Kids, it was anti-childhood obesity program, with a focus more on sports and exercise. Michelle Obama would surely approve, as would Paul Ryan also.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 26, 2012 8:59:38pm |
re: #84 Ming
He'd get stung by a scorpion, and blame it on Obama.
Why not? That Kenyan Marxist is a scorpion himself, sent by Satan to sting and poison America!!1
/I wish I was kidding, but some people actually think this.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:12:40pm |
re: #89 Dark_Falcon
He's likely trolling for yet another girlfriend/wife. The one before Kim is herself looking for love:
Kris Humphries' Ex-Girlfriend Bianka Kamber Joins 'The Bachelor Canada' as Contestant
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:15:21pm |
Come on Bryan show some guts, how can anyone look at this man and not know that he is the antichrist?
///Originally a response to a wingnut site that claimed Obama was using hypnotic powers in his 2008 campaign and also called him a babykiller for his pro-choice stance.
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aagcobb Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:16:25pm |
re: #69 Mostly sane, most of the time.
If you've gotten to the point that you are putting alcohol up your rear, you might want to start re-thinking a few of your life choices.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:18:37pm |
Why Obama Is the Least Efficient Antichrist Ever
In the weeks leading up to the November election, President Obama will be doing everything within his power to remind the American people of his successes in office while simultaneously qualifying his mistakes. However, he will avoid one topic at all costs, because it has been, without a doubt, his most dismal failure. Regardless of whether you think Barack Obama has been a fit leader for the United States, he has been unquestionably bad at being an antichrist.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:20:17pm |
Brazilian court bans anti-Islam film from YouTube
A court in Brazil said it has ordered YouTube to remove clips of the movie that has touched off deadly protests across the Muslim world, the latest in a spate of court-ordered content-removal cases against the video-sharing site.
Sao Paulo-based judge Gilson Delgado Miranda gave the site ten days to remove videos of Innocence of Muslims, which has raised the ire of many Muslims around the world because of its depiction of the Prophet Muhammad and his followers as thugs. After the 10-day window, YouTube's parent company, Google, will face fines of $US5,000 a day for every day the clips remain accessible in Brazil, according to the statement posted on the court's website late Tuesday.
[...]
The Innocence of Muslims ruling resulted from a lawsuit by a group representing Brazil's Muslim community, the National Union of Islamic Entities, which claimed the film violates the country's constitutional guarantee of religious freedom for all faiths.
In a statement on the group's website, Mohamad al Bukai, the head of religious matters for the Sao Paulo-based organisation, hailed the ruling as a victory.
"Freedom of expression must not be confused with giving disproportionate and irresponsible offence, which can provoke serious conse
[...]
The judge in the Brazilian case acknowledged that banning content from sites like YouTube was a thorny issue, according to excerpts of the ruling cited in the National Union of Islamic Entities' statement.
"This type of jurisprudence cannot be confused with censorship," Miranda is quoted as writing. In the excerpts, the judge defines censorship as "the undue restriction of the civic consciousness."
[...]
Interesting take on "freedom of religion".
Youtube/Google has often been the target of Brazilian legal action, as detailed in the article, which continues:
Google has said it's been so inundated by requests by governments worldwide to remove online content that it has begun releasing a summary of the demands, most relating to legitimate attempts to enforce laws on issues ranging from personal privacy to hate speech. But Google, which has been locked in a high-profile battle with China's leaders over online censorship in the communist nation since 2010, says it increasingly fields requests from government agencies trying to use their power to suppress political opinions and other material they don't like.
Brazilian governmental agencies alone submitted a total of 194 content removal requests during the final half of last year, according to a summary released in June. Running just behind that was the United States, where police, prosecutors, courts and other government agencies submitted 187 requests to remove content over the same period.
[...]
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:21:42pm |
Is Obama even qualified to be the AC?
Affirmative Action Anti-Christ !!!
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Girth Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:22:23pm |
[Link: espn.go.com...]
The NFL and the NFL Referees Association reached an agreement late Wednesday night to end the referee lockout, the league confirmed.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:23:04pm |
PRIEST BAN ON ‘HINDU’ YOGA CLASS
A PRIEST has banned a yoga exercise class from his church hall for being “anti-Christian”.
Father John Chandler said the ancient activity – which improves flexibility and relieves stress – is a “Hindu spiritual discipline”.
He argues it is therefore wrong for Catholics to do it.
Yoga instructor Cori Withell, 36, hoped to run weekly exercise classes at St Edmund’s Church in Southampton, Hants.
But when Father Chandler heard the classes would involve yoga as well as Pilates he banned them.
Cori, from nearby Eastleigh, said she received a call from the church saying such a class would be “against the church’s religion”.
She described the ban as “ridiculous”.
Father Chandler defended his decision, saying: “Because yoga is a Hindu spiritual discipline it is not compatible with Catholicism. The two just don’t mix.
Father John Chandler said the ancient activity – which improves flexibility and relieves stress – is a “Hindu spiritual discipline
“Catholics should not be doing it.”
A ban here,
a ban there,
everywhere a ban ban,
e i e i o...
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:23:35pm |
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freetoken Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:27:39pm |
NEWS/Innocence of Muslims Actress Files Lawsuit in Federal Court
Innocence of Muslims actress Cindy Lee Garcia isn't backing down from her fight against the movie's filmmaker.
Just a week after an L.A. judge denied Garcia's emergency request to pull the controversial movie down from the Internet, the actress refilled her case in federal court Wednesday, according to the Hollywood Reporter, this time tacking on more claims to her suit, which previously included unfair business practices, fraud and libel.
[...]
Ms. Garcia would probably have better luck in courts in India or Brazil.
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Mich-again Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:28:10pm |
re: #99 Dark_Falcon
Unqualified good news, at last!
yeah till Ed Hochuli makes his first bad call about 2 minutes into his first game back.
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Girth Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:28:52pm |
re: #101 Mich-again
yeah till Ed Hochuli makes his first bad call about 2 minutes into his first game back.
Ed's gonna get a standing ovation when he trots out onto the field.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:31:05pm |
re: #98 freetoken
Did the Roman Catholics put something in the Communion wine?
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freetoken Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:33:04pm |
Pastor lashes out against billboard's Muslim message
Darryl Whaley, pastor of Kingdom Living Ministries Worship Center, stepped from behind the pulpit to the lawn of the Rutherford County Courthouse on Tuesday to denounce a recent billboard erected in Murfreesboro calling on people to love their Muslim neighbors.
“I don’t have to have a sign tell me to love Muslims,” he said before a crowd of about 45 people in a self-described news conference. “(As Christians) we love Muslims. There is no need to single them out. If we’ve got Jesus Christ in our heart, we love Muslims.
“I don’t agree with the billboard, but I respect their right to put it there,” he said.
But at the same time, he accused Murfreesboro leaders of not being honest about Islam and of taking cheap shots against those who challenge them. He also criticized the media for allowing freedom of the press to slip away without challenging others. he said media needs to ask tough questions and get answers.
He also criticized the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro for not denouncing Shariah law and radical groups Hamas or Hezbollah. Residents in attendance included Howard and Sally Wall, who are among plaintiffs in a lawsuit against the county over its site plan approval of the Islamic Center in 2010, and former congressional candidate Lou Ann Zelenik, who has also been outspoken about the local mosque and its purpose.
So, let me see if I get this right:
Billboard: " Love Muslim neighbors"
Whaley: " We love Muslims"
ergo, Whaley: "I don’t agree with the billboard".
Syllogisms just aren't what they used to be.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:33:49pm |
re: #103 Kragar
Did the Roman Catholics put something in the Communion wine?
Yup, alcohol.
Much to the protestations of the Baptists.
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Mich-again Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:36:41pm |
re: #102 Girth
Ed's gonna get a standing ovation when he trots out onto the field.
He stinks at bang bang calls. time and again..
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Girth Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:37:39pm |
re: #104 freetoken
Pastor lashes out against billboard's Muslim message
Kinda makes me want to put up a series of those billboards.
"Love your gay neighbors. But not that way. Unless that's how you roll."
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:40:25pm |
Oh well, time for bed.
But before I go, I leave you all with this:
Jake Gyllenhaal is not, nor will he ever be a tough guy.
He is the Bubble Boy.
Image: tumblr_maexie88az1rut78ho5_1280_bubble_boy.jpg
Have a good night, and a pleasant tomorrow.
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Girth Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:44:01pm |
re: #106 Mich-again
He stinks at bang bang calls. time and again..
You could be right, I really have no opinion on his performance. But he is the most widely known NFL ref and as such is kind of the public face of the regular refs. Also he's been doing the regular training that the NFL would normally be doing with the refs every week so that the refs will be ready to go yesterday.
[Link: sportsillustrated.cnn.com...]
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Mich-again Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:49:22pm |
re: #109 Girth
Yeah, no doubt. There is an NFL bylaw that says the TV announcers have to talk about Ed Hochuli's biceps and what great shape he is in for an old dude that can't see shit. ha
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freetoken Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:51:13pm |
Making sure I don't leave anyone out...:
Bedouin car pelted with stones during Yom Kippur emergency
Although Israeli roads are usually empty on Yom Kippur, there are always some emergencies that demand getting on the road, which inevitably means the risk of having your car pelted with stones. The Al-Huzayil family from the Bedouin city of Rahat, who had to get a 16-year old member of the family to the Soroka Medical Center in Beersheba Saturday morning, experienced a barrage of stones on their way back from the hospital.
[...]
Also elsewhere in Israel:
Hundreds of Jews hurl rocks at cars in Jerusalem
Eyewitnesses claim that policemen who arrived on the scene did nothing to stop the rock-throwing.
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aagcobb Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:54:18pm |
Check out this very awesome video of a guy wingsuit flying.
[Link: www.grindtv.com...]
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freetoken Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:54:51pm |
Next time he'll have to go to the Principal's office:
Judge orders Michigan man to write reports after attack on 2 Hindus
A Michigan man who authorities say attacked two men because he believed they were Muslims has been ordered to write a report on the history of Hinduism.
Bay County Circuit Judge Joseph Sheeran on Monday sentenced 26-year-old Delane Bell to two years of probation, with the condition he write the 10-page report.
[...]
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Mich-again Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:56:36pm |
I'm not sure what bothers me more.. That Mitt talked about 47% of Americans like they were dogs, or that a room full of rich people heard him say it but none of them made a peep.
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aagcobb Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:56:45pm |
re: #113 freetoken
Next time he'll have to go to the Principal's office:
Judge orders Michigan man to write reports after attack on 2 Hindus
Makes one wonder what his sentence would've been if they had been Muslims. The sentence suggests his crime was mistaking Hindus for Muslims.
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Mich-again Wed, Sep 26, 2012 9:59:10pm |
re: #115 aagcobb
Makes one wonder what his sentence would've been if they had been Muslims. The sentence suggests his crime was mistaking Hindus for Muslims.
What are the odds the phrases "push start" and "pull start" are in the report.
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engineer cat Wed, Sep 26, 2012 10:08:01pm |
Romney Radioactivity Measured At Four Thousand MilliRems
republican candidates advised to stay at least two states away
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darthstar Wed, Sep 26, 2012 10:09:44pm |
re: #31 Dark_Falcon
Gus, that couldn't work. If any other man came within Fischer's view, the resultant erection would serve to prove to the world Fischer is really gay.
/Tips hat to Darthstar
Thanks for the thought. Though I'm not gay, I'd have no problem tripping in the desert with Fischer...I could really fuck with his mind because I embrace the weird shit that happens when psychedelics kick in...it's the best way to trip. Even at my age.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 26, 2012 10:10:24pm |
re: #117 engineer cat
Romney Radioactivity Measured At Four Thousand MilliRems
republican candidates advised to stay at least two states away
It sure would be nice if some of that Romney magic rubbed off on Boehner...just sayin'.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Sep 26, 2012 10:11:16pm |
re: #119 darthstar
It sure would be nice if some of that Romney magic rubbed off on Boehner...just sayin'.
Ewwww...
///
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darthstar Wed, Sep 26, 2012 10:12:07pm |
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simoom Wed, Sep 26, 2012 10:12:26pm |
I wonder how much confusion within constituencies targeted by recent voter legislation, that has since been overturned in the courts, will still keep them away from the polls:
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]
A New Hampshire judge held Monday that out-of-state students have a right to vote in the state, rejecting a new requirement that voters sign a statement declaring New Hampshire their domicile and subjecting them to laws that require them to register their vehicles in the state and obtain a New Hampshire driver’s license within 60 days of becoming residents. Judge John Lewis ordered that this paragraph be deleted from voter registration forms, saying it “presents an inaccurate expression of the law and has a clear harmful effect on the exercise of voting rights and education connected therewith.” The law implementing this requirement passed in June with strong Republican support, and over the veto of Gov. John Lynch. Last March, the leader of the State House, Bill O’Brien, said he supported such a law to stop students from “basically doing what I did when I was a kid: voting as a liberal.”
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darthstar Wed, Sep 26, 2012 10:13:08pm |
Giants one out away from shutting out the d-bags. Bedtime. See you all in the morning.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 26, 2012 10:23:19pm |
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engineer cat Wed, Sep 26, 2012 10:30:36pm |
re: #119 darthstar
It sure would be nice if some of that Romney magic rubbed off on Boehner...just sayin'.
i kinda like boehner - when i see him i always think that two hours ago he was living in 1964 drinking wild turkey out of a flintstones glass listening to roger miller singing King of the Road or watching gunsmoke or ed sullivan. i dunno what it is, he doesn't seem to me to belong to the modern era
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Amory Blaine Wed, Sep 26, 2012 10:49:34pm |
re: #69 Mostly sane, most of the time.
If you've gotten to the point that you are putting alcohol up your rear, you might want to start re-thinking a few of your life choices.
Prude!!! :p
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engineer cat Wed, Sep 26, 2012 10:57:16pm |
Romney Seen Clicking On Internet Ad Promising "One Weird Trick for Winning Elections"
didn't buy the subscription though after all
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Sep 26, 2012 11:09:51pm |
re: #127 engineer cat
Romney Seen Clicking On Internet Ad Promising "One Weird Trick for Winning Elections"
didn't buy the subscription though after all
There are other options. Has he tried "Incumbent Presidents Hate Him" yet?
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Kragar Wed, Sep 26, 2012 11:40:44pm |
re: #128 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
There are other options. Has he tried "Incumbent Presidents Hate Him" yet?
"Meet hot independent voters in your area."
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AK-47% Thu, Sep 27, 2012 12:08:10am |
re: #69 Mostly sane, most of the time.
If you've gotten to the point that you are putting
alcoholanything up your rear, you might want to start re-thinking a few of your life choices.
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Kragar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 12:28:22am |
re: #130 AK-47%
If you've gotten to the point that you are putting
alcohol anything up your rear, you might want to start re-thinking a few of your life choices.
Hey now!
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engineer cat Thu, Sep 27, 2012 12:28:58am |
re: #128 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
re: #129 Kragar
heh!
hey, i've been having fun with the match.com IM african online scam! it starts out with a picture of a cute young blonde girl listed as living in cities in the u.s. who is mysteriously attracted, it seems, to somebody 25 years older than them that lives in a city halfway across the country, although somehow the online chat always ends up coming back to ghana or nigeria.
they really really want to talk with me on the (not very secure) yahoo chat, altho it's not clear why. short of that, they would really like my cell number so that they can text me.
it's kind of like chatting with one of the famous AI programs like eliza
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simoom Thu, Sep 27, 2012 12:40:55am |
More evidence in support of Bryan Fischer's theory -- Obama assaults iconic christian holiday figure, the Easter Bunny! //
(@ ~1:54)| 135 |
Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Sep 27, 2012 12:52:00am |
T'was the night before elections,
And all thru' the town,
Tempers were flaring
Emotions ran up and down.I, in my bathrobe
With a cat in my lap,
Had shut off the TV,
tired of political crap.When all of a sudden,
There arose such a noise,
I peered out my window,
Saw Obama and his boysThey had come for my wallet,
They wanted my pay
To hand out to others
Who had not worked a day!He snatched up my money,
And quick as a wink,
Jumped back on his bandwagon
As I gagged from the stink.He then rallied his henchmen
Who were pulling his cart.
I could tell they were out
To tear my country apart!'On Fannie, on Freddie,
On Biden and Ayers!
On Acorn, on Pelosi'
He screamed at the pairs!They took off for his cause,
And as they flew out of sight,
I heard him laugh at a nation
Who wouldn't stand up and fight!So I leave you to think on this one final note...
IF YOU DON'T WANT SOCIALISM GET OUT AND VOTE !!!!Author unknown
I was not aware that the wingnuts had such a "clever" poet amongst them...watch out Ralph Waldo Emerson, you have some real competition here!
///poem taken from a comment at msnbc
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AK-47% Thu, Sep 27, 2012 1:04:58am |
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dragonath Thu, Sep 27, 2012 1:19:54am |
re: #122 simoom
The New Hampshire gubernatorial race is worth watching. The New Hampshire legislature passed a ton of insane bills that have been blocked by the outgoing Democratic Governor, but the Republican candidate is dead even in the polls this time around.
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AK-47% Thu, Sep 27, 2012 1:24:38am |
re: #132 engineer cat
re: #129 Kragar
heh!
hey, i've been having fun with the match.com IM african online scam! it starts out with a picture of a cute young blonde girl listed as living in cities in the u.s. who is mysteriously attracted, it seems, to somebody 25 years older than them that lives in a city halfway across the country, although somehow the online chat always ends up coming back to ghana or nigeria.
they really really want to talk with me on the (not very secure) yahoo chat, altho it's not clear why. short of that, they would really like my cell number so that they can text me.
it's kind of like chatting with one of the famous AI programs like eliza
I took up an e-mail correspondence with a purported young woman from Russia, mostly because I had just gotten my Cyrillic keyboard installed and wanted to try it out.
I never received direct answers to any questions, just boilerplate reponses, which made me even more suspicious.
She later said she wanted to come out and visit me - at her own expense. I went along to a point. Which made me somwhat less suspicious, she was not asking for ticket money.
Then I read some information on scams and found out where that one leads to: you appear at the gate, she does not arrive. You receive a message that she was not allowed off the plane unless she can produce $1,000 in cash...could you forward it to her, she just needs it to get through the gate and she'll pay you right back as soon as she gets through ...
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Kragar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 1:53:53am |
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SpaceJesus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 1:54:38am |
motherjones is saying they've got some damning video of romney at a bain meeting. going to release it tomorrow
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Kragar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 1:56:49am |
re: #140 SpaceJesus
motherjones is saying they've got some damning video of romney at a bain meeting. going to release it tomorrow
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AK-47% Thu, Sep 27, 2012 1:59:25am |
re: #140 SpaceJesus
motherjones is saying they've got some damning video of romney at a bain meeting. going to release it tomorrow
from before or after he retired retroactively?
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SpaceJesus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 2:03:49am |
re: #142 AK-47%
it's from the company's 25th anniversary, not sure what year that puts it
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AK-47% Thu, Sep 27, 2012 2:05:13am |
re: #143 SpaceJesus
it's from the company's 25th anniversary, not sure what year that puts it
Bain ws founded in 1984, so 2009.
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engineer cat Thu, Sep 27, 2012 2:06:34am |
re: #138 AK-47%
that's an interesting one - it somewhat resembles the classic spanish prisoner scam
these dating site scams are phishing expeditions, altho they're based on the same premise that lonely middle aged men will do anything if they think a hot chick, you should excuse the expression, is interested in them. in the case of match.com, their IM should be pretty secure since everything is bounced off a server, or at least i hope it is, whereas the yahoo chat is peer to peer, making it possible to get at your machine. and if you refuse the yahoo chat, they invariably fall back on asking for your cell number...
i was amusing myself by putting them to the test to see what a remarkably bad job they do of impersonating an young american woman - "so you say you grew up in LA?" "Yes Yes I Often Go To The Venis Beach" - and the fact that somehow they are never able to stop themselves from mentioning that they happen, just at this moment you see, to be in ghana or nigeria, where they happen to be selling jewelry or gems...
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SpaceJesus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 2:20:19am |
stupid motherjones making it hard for me to sleep again. this is what christmas must feel like
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AK-47% Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:02:36am |
re: #145 engineer cat
that's an interesting one - it somewhat resembles the classic spanish prisoner scam
these dating site scams are phishing expeditions, altho they're based on the same premise that lonely middle aged men will do anything if they think a hot chick, you should excuse the expression, is interested in them. in the case of match.com, their IM should be pretty secure since everything is bounced off a server, or at least i hope it is, whereas the yahoo chat is peer to peer, making it possible to get at your machine. and if you refuse the yahoo chat, they invariably fall back on asking for your cell number...
i was amusing myself by putting them to the test to see what a remarkably bad job they do of impersonating an young american woman - "so you say you grew up in LA?" "Yes Yes I Often Go To The Venis Beach" - and the fact that somehow they are never able to stop themselves from mentioning that they happen, just at this moment you see, to be in ghana or nigeria, where they happen to be selling jewelry or gems...
I was immediately suspicious that "she" would not answer any direct personal questions. But it was a good excuse to brush up on my Cyrillic keystrokes.
Speaking of which, where is Sergey Romanov these days? have not seen or heard from him in ages
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:02:50am |
re: #135 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
I was not aware that the wingnuts had such a "clever" poet amongst them...watch out Ralph Waldo Emerson, you have some real competition here!
///poem taken from a comment at msnbc
I want socialism so I won't bother voting then.
/just kidding - household votes already mailed in
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:03:30am |
re: #147 AK-47%
I was immediately suspicious that "she" would not answer any direct personal questions. But it was a good excuse to brush up on my Cyrillic keystrokes.
Speaking of which, where is Sergey Romanov these days? have not seen or heard from him in ages
He said he was taking a break from LGF a while back - 2 or 3 months ago?
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simoom Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:17:21am |
re: #140 SpaceJesus
motherjones is saying they've got some damning video of romney at a bain meeting. going to release it tomorrow
Mitt talking about "harvesting" companies— Gerry Shih (@gerryshih) September 27, 2012
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simoom Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:21:39am |
re: #150 simoom
Surely it was "saving" not "harvesting". I mean Mitt's been very clear that private equity is all about lending a helping hand to struggling companies. //
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AK-47% Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:22:51am |
As interesting as the content wil be whether this meeting took place before or after he retroactively "retired" from the company...
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simoom Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:25:32am |
Here it is I think:
NEW ROMNEY VIDEO: In 1985, He Said Bain Would "Harvest" Companies for Profits
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:26:24am |
re: #152 AK-47%
As interesting as the content wil be whether this meeting took place before or after he retroactively "retired" from the company...
It was before he retired, but after he retroactively retired.
Or, to put it another way, he was still working there at the time, but then later on it turned out he wasn't.
Alles klar?
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freetoken Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:29:46am |
"Harvesting" doctrines are popular in the various religious circles, and the term is thrown around quite a bit.
E.g.:
31 He told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and planted in his field. 32 Though it is the smallest of all seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds come and perch in its branches.”
33 He told them still another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like yeast that a woman took and mixed into about sixty pounds of flour until it worked all through the dough.”
34 Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable. 35 So was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet:
“I will open my mouth in parables, I will utter things hidden since the creation of the world.”[c]
36 Then he left the crowd and went into the house. His disciples came to him and said, “Explain to us the parable of the weeds in the field.”
37 He answered, “The one who sowed the good seed is the Son of Man. 38 The field is the world, and the good seed stands for the people of the kingdom. The weeds are the people of the evil one, 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
and
34 “My food,” said Jesus, “is to do the will of him who sent me and to finish his work. 35 Don’t you have a saying, ‘It’s still four months until harvest’? I tell you, open your eyes and look at the fields! They are ripe for harvest. 36 Even now the one who reaps draws a wage and harvests a crop for eternal life, so that the sower and the reaper may be glad together. 37 Thus the saying ‘One sows and another reaps’ is true. 38 I sent you to reap what you have not worked for. Others have done the hard work, and you have reaped the benefits of their labor.”
and
11 I long to see you so that I may impart to you some spiritual gift to make you strong— 12 that is, that you and I may be mutually encouraged by each other’s faith. 13 I do not want you to be unaware, brothers and sisters,[d] that I planned many times to come to you (but have been prevented from doing so until now) in order that I might have a harvest among you, just as I have had among the other Gentiles.
And so on.
Do you not see? The end is near, and Mitt is merely bringing in the sheaths.
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simoom Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:30:11am |
re: #153 simoom
Just watched the clip. I'm not sure there's too much of political value in this. It basically hinges on him using the word "harvest" in his speech. The rest of it is just management jargon.
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freetoken Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:31:45am |
re: #156 simoom
What does Mother Jones have against agricultural parables, anyway?
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:33:09am |
re: #156 simoom
Just watched the clip. I'm not sure there's too much of political value in this. It basically hinges on him using the word "harvest" in his speech. The rest of it is just management jargon.
Yeah, not really all that devastating, though it does add to the pile of evidence that Romney sees the whole world as a kind of piggy bank to be looted for his own personal gain.
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freetoken Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:33:25am |
Seriously, the use of a metaphor based on agriculture isn't much of a "find". I think MJ and Corn are really reaching here.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:41:42am |
I got your effing clown right here!!!
Alligator Attraction draws state scrutiny after widespread publicity about its 'gator parties'
MADEIRA BEACH — Alligator Attraction owner Bob Barrett has gotten a lot of media attention for his "gator parties."
Workers at the Madeira Beach facility take alligators smaller than 4 feet long to pool parties around the Tampa Bay area and allow guests to swim with them, hold them and take photos.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:45:52am |
re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar
An alligator called "Burger" who gets taken to children's birthday parties.
Looks like the intro to a low-budget horror movie.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:47:33am |
re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar
I got your effing clown right here!!!
Alligator Attraction draws state scrutiny after widespread publicity about its 'gator parties'
MADEIRA BEACH — Alligator Attraction owner Bob Barrett has gotten a lot of media attention for his "gator parties."
Workers at the Madeira Beach facility take alligators smaller than 4 feet long to pool parties around the Tampa Bay area and allow guests to swim with them, hold them and take photos.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
Don't know how gators take to chlorinated water, but I thought one of the reasons you don't feed gators in FL is to prevent them from becoming unafraid of humans.
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AK-47% Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:49:29am |
re: #161 Cannadian Club Akbar
I got your effing clown right here!!!
Alligator Attraction draws state scrutiny after widespread publicity about its 'gator parties'
So an old Cajun comes into a bar with his pet alligator.
"You gotta get that thing outta here," says the bartender, "It's dangerous!"
"Perfectly harmless," reples the old Cajun, sets the gator on the bar, opens his mouth, places his dick in the gator's mouth and proceeds to bash it on the head repeatedly with a bottle. The gator just lies there motionless.
"See? Harmless, like I told ya! Anybody else wanna try it?"
"I do," says a little fellow at the end of the bar, "just don't hit me on the head with a bottle!"
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:49:30am |
re: #163 Decatur Deb
Don't know how gators take to chlorinated water, but I thought one of the reasons you don't feed gators in FL is to prevent them from becoming unafraid of humans.
This is true. You can get fined even if you lose a hand.
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:52:15am |
re: #165 Cannadian Club Akbar
This is true. You can get fined even if you lose a hand.
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
There's a man that really puts himself into his tourism work.
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:52:30am |
re: #164 AK-47%
So an old Cajun comes into a bar with his pet alligator.
"You gotta get that thing outta here," says the bartender, "It's dangerous!"
"Perfectly harmless," reples the old Cajun, sets the gator on the bar, open his mouth, places his dick in the gator's mouth and proceeds to bash it on the head repeatedly with a bottle. The gator just lies there motionless.
"See? Harmless, like I told ya! Anybody else wanna try it?"
"I do," says a little fellow at the end of the bar, "just don't hit me on the head with a bottle!"
How do you think I ended up with a 12 inch pianist, you insensitive clod?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:57:13am |
re: #167 Decatur Deb
There's a man that really puts himself into his tourism work.
There was a state park I used to go to as a kid. They had gators everywhere. At the part where you would picnic they had a net in the water to keep the gators away. Uh huh. I never swam there and have actually had nightmares about the spot where the swimming was allowed.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 3:59:24am |
re: #169 Cannadian Club Akbar
[Link: www.myakkariver.org...]
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:01:40am |
re: #169 Cannadian Club Akbar
There was a state park I used to go to as a kid. They had gators everywhere. At the part where you would picnic they had a net in the water to keep the gators away. Uh huh. I never swam there and have actually had nightmares about the spot where the swimming was allowed.
Huntington Beach state park in South Carolina
You drive in and there's narrow a road that has marshes on both sides loaded with gators. Not 100 yards away are the parking lots to the beaches
Unnerving, to say the least
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:02:30am |
re: #170 Cannadian Club Akbar
[Link: www.myakkariver.org...]
From the "Alligator FAQ":
Alligators are some of the most fascinating animals found in Myakka River State park. These powerful reptiles elicit endless curiosity, awe and, sometimes, fear. Knowing a little more about alligators can help you appreciate their beauty, while also making your visit to the park safer and more enjoyable.
6.Has anyone ever been eaten by an alligator in the park?
No. However, there are three accounts of minor injuries, each a bite on the victim's leg. In one instance, the victim had a stringer of fish tied to his waist, the other two were probably a result of the victim stepping too close to a submerged alligator.
Yes, I would say that not being bitten by large killer reptiles is high on the list of factors that determine my enjoyment of a day out.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:02:31am |
re: #169 Cannadian Club Akbar
There was a state park I used to go to as a kid. They had gators everywhere. At the part where you would picnic they had a net in the water to keep the gators away. Uh huh. I never swam there and have actually had nightmares about the spot where the swimming was allowed.
When our neighbours from Italy visited we took them to Wakulla Springs and DeFuniak Springs. We also had a ranger here let them touch a 'safed' baby. When they were leaving we asked their girls what they would remember about America: "The tornado and the alligators."
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:02:59am |
re: #171 sattv4u2
Huntington Beach state park in South Carolina
You drive in and there's narrow a road that has marshes on both sides loaded with gators. Not 100 yards away is the parking lots to the beaches
Unnerving, to say the least
So, a good place to, say, um, dispose of a body?
/
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:03:40am |
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:03:51am |
re: #174 Cannadian Club Akbar
So, a good place to, say, um, dispose of a body?
/
Hypothetically speaking, is the body in a rolled-up carpet?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:04:21am |
re: #176 iossarian
Hypothetically speaking, is the body in a rolled-up carpet?
I would tie chickens to it.
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freetoken Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:04:39am |
For your morning drive, here is Vivaldi's Sinfonia for Strings and Basso Continuo in G major (not to be confused with his sinfonias for strings and basso continuo in C major, the two in E major, the one in B minor, nor the other one in B minor):
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:05:31am |
re: #176 iossarian
Hypothetically speaking, is the body in a rolled-up carpet?
No
Gators prefer au natural!
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:07:32am |
re: #180 sattv4u2
No
Gators prefer au natural!
Have you ever tried to get a pair of tight jeans off a dead person?
NEITHER HAVE I
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:08:40am |
re: #181 iossarian
Have you ever tried to get a pair of tight jeans off a dead person?
NEITHER HAVE I
Me either
I make sure they're naked before I ,, umm,, errrr,, HEY ,,how bout that game last night!!!
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AK-47% Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:09:12am |
re: #182 sattv4u2
Me either
I make sure they're naked before I ,, umm,, errrr,, HEY ,,how bout that game last night!!!
Kilts are much easier to remove...
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:09:49am |
re: #179 freetoken
For your morning drive
Once I step out of the room I can't hear the puters speakers anymore!
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:11:51am |
I have to go now, and leave this fascinating exploration of Scottish-Floridian serial killer methodology behind.
Bye all.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:12:22am |
Hey good morning Lizardia!
Did anyone watch "South Park" last night? It was kinda lame.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:13:30am |
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
Police checking out Hoffa tip in Detroit suburb
a man told police he believes he witnessed the burial of missing Teamsters leader Jimmy Hoffa about 35 years ago,
When asked why he waited so long to report this, the man said "I've had a lot of stuff to do"
/
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:13:40am |
re: #185 iossarian
I have to go now, and leave this fascinating exploration of Scottish-Floridian serial killer methodology behind.
Bye all.
It was just satire.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:13:59am |
re: #186 Sheila Brovlofski
Hey good morning Lizardia!
Did anyone watch "South Park" last night? It was kinda lame.
Not last night
Not any night
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:15:09am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:15:34am |
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freetoken Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:15:46am |
re: #184 sattv4u2
For your morning drive
Once I step out of the room I can't hear the puters speakers anymore!
You're suppose to listen before you get in the car.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:16:11am |
re: #187 sattv4u2
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
Police checking out Hoffa tip in Detroit suburb
a man told police he believes he witnessed the burial of missing Teamsters leader Jimmy Hoffa about 35 years ago,
When asked why he waited so long to report this, the man said "I've had a lot of stuff to do"
/
I thought he was buried in Giants Stadium? Did they dig that all up already?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:16:51am |
re: #192 freetoken
You're suppose to listen before you get in the car.
Then it would be for my morning PRE drive, no ??
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:17:07am |
re: #193 Sheila Brovlofski
I thought he was buried in Giants Stadium? Did they dig that all up already?
Should have hid him on the Mets field. No one ever goes there.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:17:46am |
re: #193 Sheila Brovlofski
I thought he was buried in Giants Stadium? Did they dig that all up already?
iirc, they did do some tests there at one point in time
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:21:32am |
Per Slate Bacongeddon has been avoided:
[Link: www.slate.com...]
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:22:58am |
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:24:05am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:24:52am |
re: #199 Decatur Deb
What am I supposed to do with these freezers full of fatback?
Well, we still need something to attract the alligators if the bodies are rolled in carpets!!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:25:30am |
re: #199 Decatur Deb
What am I supposed to do with these freezers full of fatback?
Soup, greens, black eyed peas, etc....
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:25:39am |
re: #200 sattv4u2
Well, we still need something to attract the alligators if the bodies are rolled in carpets!!
How do you think CCA freed-up his freezer space?
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:33:19am |
re: #203 Decatur Deb
How do you think CCA freed-up his freezer space?
I knew some of the food he served at that BBQ looked/ tasted,,, odd!!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:40:45am |
Homework, check. Lunch, check. Conjure up the soul of Satan, check.
/
[Link: www2.tbo.com...]
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:40:50am |
re: #204 sattv4u2
I knew some of the food he served at that BBQ looked/ tasted,,, odd!!
Missionary in a big pot, to the cannibal chief:
"You can't stew me, I'm a friar".
(Favorite Franciscan joke.)
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Shropshire_Slasher Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:43:38am |
Star Wars actors then and now
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
Not too earth shattering, sucks to get old.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:44:46am |
Bryan is DERPING early this morning
Even gay activists now admitting: HIV/AIDS SHORTENS HOMOSEXUAL LIFE SPANS BY UP TO TWO DECADES. sfgate.com/health/article...— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) September 27, 2012
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:46:07am |
DERP! Bryan think CEO's are not being pampered enough.
More wonders of Obama recovery: only 29% of CEOs plan to hire more people in the next 6 months. centredaily.com/2012/09/26/335...— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) September 27, 2012
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:46:15am |
re: #207 Shropshire_Slasher
R2D2 mailbox is awesome!!!
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AK-47% Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:47:57am |
re: #209 Sheila Brovlofski
DERP! Bryan think CEO's are not being pampered enough.
More wonders of Obama recovery: only 29% of CEOs plan to hire more people in the next 6 months.
But I am sure that most of them plan on making more money in the next 6 months than they did in the last...amazing how that works, more profits, fewer jobs.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:48:53am |
re: #211 AK-47%
But I am sure that most of them plan on making more money in the next 6 months than they did in the last...amazing how that works, more profits, fewer jobs.
@bryanjfischer Wonders of Obama recovery: I had 13 missed calls from recruiters on my voice mail last night.— Pro-Obama Babushka (@viciousbabushka) September 27, 2012
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:52:12am |
TEH DERP NEVER STOPS!
Random gene mutations cause of many mental disabilities. Thot random mutations were key to evolution! fxn.ws/PqJySV— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) September 27, 2012
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:54:54am |
BWAHAHAA!
Here's a bummer: Ryan says he's okay with gays in the military. Sigh. shar.es/5mU2B— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) September 27, 2012
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 27, 2012 4:59:58am |
re: #213 Sheila Brovlofski
TEH DERP NEVER STOPS!
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Thought Fisher might have the saving grace of just being stupid, so I wiki'ed him. Philosophy degree from Stanford, Doctorate from some bible school.
So he's just a smart cynical shit.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 27, 2012 5:06:55am |
Daylight come and me wanna walk the dog--BBL
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A Mom Anon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 5:09:04am |
re: #215 Decatur Deb
Make that cynical shit stirrer. There's also being book smart,which ain't everyday life or common sense smart or even basic science or math smart. I'd like to see actual numbers of his listeners,readers,viewers,whatever. Who pays him? He's another one of those guys who spends more time thinking about gay sex than gay people do themselves.
I'd love it if someone would do some serious opposition research on some of these guys,private detective style. I bet alot of really twisted stuff is lurking in all kinds of places.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Sep 27, 2012 5:22:21am |
re: #215 Decatur Deb
Thought Fisher might have the saving grace of just being stupid, so I wiki'ed him. Philosophy degree from Stanford, Doctorate from some bible school.
So he's just a smart cynical shit.
Or perhaps was smart when attending Stanford, had a psychotic break and then went to some pissant bible college for his divinity degree?
Sigh. I miss the priest I had in Madison. Used to teach at Harvard Divinity. Lot's of fun talking theology with him over a glass of good whiskey.
Let's get a four way debate going. The Anglican, a Franciscan, a Jesuit & Fischer... except he'd be dumb enough to actually believe he won...
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 5:24:24am |
re: #218 Gus
Kirchick identified Conor Friedersdorf of the Atlantic as a libertarian who supported Ron Paul despite the bigotry in the newsletters that bore his name. But in fact Friedersdorf wrote a long and tortured article acknowledging the “egregiously offensive . . . racially bigoted . . . execrable” content of the newsletters. He went on to say that there was still a good case for supporting the only candidate who has consistently opposed the Iraq War, indefinite detention, drone strikes, anti-Muslim bigotry, and the war on drugs.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 27, 2012 5:38:11am |
re: #219 William Barnett-Lewis
Or perhaps was smart when attending Stanford, had a psychotic break and then went to some pissant bible college for his divinity degree?
Sigh. I miss the priest I had in Madison. Used to teach at Harvard Divinity. Lot's of fun talking theology with him over a glass of good whiskey.
Let's get a four way debate going. The Anglican, a Franciscan, a Jesuit & Fischer... except he'd be dumb enough to actually believe he won...
I'd want to throw in my Presbyterian pastor buddy. First heard of him when we went to a Barbara Dane benefit to raise his bail. Still runs an inner-city church in Rhode Island.
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 5:44:50am |
re: #220 Gus
Kirchick identified Conor Friedersdorf of the Atlantic as a libertarian who supported Ron Paul despite the bigotry in the newsletters that bore his name. But in fact Friedersdorf wrote a long and tortured article acknowledging the “egregiously offensive . . . racially bigoted . . . execrable” content of the newsletters. He went on to say that there was still a good case for supporting the only candidate who has consistently opposed the Iraq War, indefinite detention, drone strikes, anti-Muslim bigotry, and the war on drugs.
@thescottfinley @extremeliberal @arrogantdemon @gus_802 @conor64 He'd probably mic check John Lewis. Paulian nutburger won't vote for Obama.— Gus (@Gus_802) September 27, 2012
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BongCrodny Thu, Sep 27, 2012 5:45:00am |
re: #60 Mich-again
Bryan Fischer sounds a bit like Yoda when he talks about Satan grooming a world leader ..
"Always two, there are. No more, no less. A master, an an apprentice."
I wonder if Bryan is any relation to Carrie?
So that would make Donald Trump the Antichrist?
It all makes sense now.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 5:46:34am |
re: #221 Gus
Libertarian douche nozzle.
Hey now, that's not fair: Douche nozzles are actually useful.
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AK-47% Thu, Sep 27, 2012 5:46:58am |
re: #225 Dark_Falcon
Hey now, that's not fair: Douche nozzles are actually useful.
Yes, you can use them to get frat boys drunk...
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Sep 27, 2012 5:51:47am |
re: #226 AK-47%
Yes, you can use them to get frat boys drunk...
Days like today, reading about maroon's like these frat boys or Fischer make me wish for someplace to send them all where they can't harm society. Something like Heinlein's Coventry, perhaps?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 5:51:59am |
re: #218 Gus
re: #220 Gus
Kirchick identified Conor Friedersdorf of the Atlantic as a libertarian who supported Ron Paul despite the bigotry in the newsletters that bore his name. But in fact Friedersdorf wrote a long and tortured article acknowledging the “egregiously offensive . . . racially bigoted . . . execrable” content of the newsletters. He went on to say that there was still a good case for supporting the only candidate who has consistently opposed the Iraq War, indefinite detention, drone strikes, anti-Muslim bigotry, and the war on drugs.
It's got to be about that last point. Because if you actually believe Ron Paul more honest or more capable of being president than Barack Obama, then you must be high as a hang glider.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 5:53:03am |
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 5:53:42am |
re: #231 Dark_Falcon
Lots of crazies on that site, Gus. This isn't one of them, I assume.
Correct. Tbogg is cool. IMO.
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AK-47% Thu, Sep 27, 2012 5:53:58am |
re: #228 Gus
I ran across that on FB today...voting is most alwys about the lesser of two (or more) evils.
I will admit here, and in person, that I voted for Dubya in 2000 because I could just not bring myself to vote for Gore/Liebermann, I felt that a protest vote for Ralph Nader was a waste of time and that Dubya was the lesser evil in this race.
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 5:55:50am |
re: #233 AK-47%
I ran across that on FB today...voting is most alwys about the lesser of two (or more) evils.
I will admit here, and in person, that I voted for Dubya in 2000 because I could just not bring myself to vote for Gore/Liebermann, I felt that a protest vote for Ralph Nader was a waste of time and that Dubya was the lesser evil in this race.
I stayed home because of Liebermann and my folks voted for Nader.
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Lidane Thu, Sep 27, 2012 5:57:42am |
re: #231 Dark_Falcon
Lots of crazies on that site, Gus. This isn't one of them, I assume.
Tbogg is awesome. He's not a nut.
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Lidane Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:00:47am |
Good to see @nfl & ref's union reach agreement. Invaluable. Good thing cause we were a week away from Belichick swingin' on a ref.— Dwayne Johnson (@TheRock) September 27, 2012
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:01:01am |
FAIL
Fox Analyst Bill Cowan: Jews Who Vote For Obama "Can't Be As Close To Israel As We'd Like To Think" bit.ly/QHJXjL— Oliver Willis (@owillis) September 27, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:03:05am |
re: #227 Gus
Drones!
Here's his little pity party about our use of drones in North Waziristan. All he does is whine and lament, not caring about how we're to eliminate the the terror masters hiding there who want to kill us.
I'll even grant that civilians in some towns are likely terrified of the drones, but I'm forced to admit I simply don't care. This what must be done to win the war and FDR and Truman were willing to sign off on aerial operations that did far worse. It's effect on civilian populations in the area is not something that can be allowed to deter us.
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:04:13am |
re: #237 Sheila Brovlofski
FAIL
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I'd like conservatives to make up their mind as to whether Jewish people are good, true and loyal Americans (as long as they agree with Republican foreign policy) or dangerous subversives who need to be kept out of Ivy League institutions and top government posts.
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:08:08am |
re: #238 Dark_Falcon
I'll even grant that civilians in some towns are likely terrified of the drones, but I'm forced to admit I simply don't care. This what must be done to win the war and FDR and Truman were willing to sign off on aerial operations that did far worse. It's effect on civilian populations in the area is not something that can be allowed to deter us.
I think you give yourself away a little there, DF. The fact is that, although I think the drone approach is pretty evil and counterproductive, I am willing to accept it as part of the process of moving the US away from its various hard-right* positions.
But I do care very much that innocent people have their lives destroyed by our approach. And so should you.
* I use the term in a relative sense: the US is a long way to the right of most other developed nations.
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Obdicut Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:08:28am |
re: #238 Dark_Falcon
If we're killing a lot of civilians-- especially children-- and the sole purpose of the attacks is to reduce the number of people attacking us, then it's a bad policy. Continued attacks will continue recruitment.
If we really have very good intel and are actually killing important leaders, human infrastructure, then it's a good policy.
It is nearly impossible for us to judge that. But that is the way with most military campaigns. People are in the way. Nobody gets to go stand on a grassy field and fight the enemy army drawn up neatly in a row anymore. The standard cannot be that we can never kill civilians accidentally, or we'll be unable to fight in any way at all.
But we should still keep in mind that killing civilians causes backlash from the family, friends, and may radicalize people against us who otherwise would have been neutral, or even for us.
It's a dark calculation.
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:11:05am |
re: #242 Obdicut
Drones are trendy and highly promoted by the Manarchists. If we weren't using drones we'd be using something else with far more lethal consequences.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:12:36am |
re: #233 AK-47%
I ran across that on FB today...voting is most alwys about the lesser of two (or more) evils.
I will admit here, and in person, that I voted for Dubya in 2000 because I could just not bring myself to vote for Gore/Liebermann, I felt that a protest vote for Ralph Nader was a waste of time and that Dubya was the lesser evil in this race.
I understand that. I voted for Reagan in 1984 for that reason but I still feel unclean from it to this day. But I had learned what third parties get you working for the Anderson campaign in 1980 so I would never consider voting for a third party if there were any doubt in the race - hence I voted socialist in 1996 but held my nose and voted for Gore in 2000.
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Obdicut Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:13:09am |
re: #243 Gus
Drones are trendy and highly promoted by the Manarchists. If we weren't using drones we'd be using something else with far more lethal consequences.
Yeah. They're just a means of delivering ordinance. There's not really some big moral break between them doing it and it being done by a pilot on a bomber pressing a button while traveling past the target at close to the speed of sound.
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:13:34am |
re: #242 Obdicut
The most depressing thing about contemporary US "foreign violent involvement" (for want of a better phrase) is the complete lack of anything resembling a target or benchmark to determine whether or not we're actually achieving anything.
Strategy: drop bombs on people!
Is it working? Who knows!
When do we get to stop? Who knows!
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:15:22am |
re: #245 Obdicut
Yeah. They're just a means of delivering ordinance. There's not really some big moral break between them doing it and it being done by a pilot on a bomber pressing a button while traveling past the target at close to the speed of sound.
There is a difference, though, which is that the US public in general is essentially unaware that we're bombing Pakistan, because it isn't ever presented as such, and there are even fewer people around to testify to what's going on.
"My husband's flying missions over Pakistan" just isn't the same thing as "my husband works outside Landry calculating drone flight paths".
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Lidane Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:17:30am |
re: #244 William Barnett-Lewis
I voted for Gore in 2000. I had a sense he wasn't going to win, but I didn't like Nader at all and I'd already had Dubya as my governor and hated it. Gore was my best, most realistic choice at the time. I don't regret voting for him.
I've voted third party at the local and state level in the past, but these days I won't do that unless my only choice in a race is between a Republican and a third party candidate. The Texas GOP is total fail and I won't give them any votes at all.
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:18:14am |
re: #245 Obdicut
Yeah. They're just a means of delivering ordinance. There's not really some big moral break between them doing it and it being done by a pilot on a bomber pressing a button while traveling past the target at close to the speed of sound.
Ordinance trends are going towards lower yield bombs for these purposes. A Hellfire has a 20 pound warhead. Mark 82 is 500 pounds. A JDAM is 2000 pounds. I'd rather be near the Hellfire if given a choice.
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Obdicut Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:18:52am |
re: #247 iossarian
There is a difference, though, which is that the US public in general is essentially unaware that we're bombing Pakistan, because it isn't ever presented as such, and there are even fewer people around to testify to what's going on.
I don't think that's true. I think that people know that we're using drones and killing people in Pakistan, because it makes headlines a lot. If it doesn't, it's not because we're using drones to do it and not planes.
"My husband's flying missions over Pakistan" just isn't the same thing as "my husband works outside Landry calculating drone flight paths".
Seems about the same to me. What's the difference? I mean, if they were going over a country where they really might get shot down, it'd be different, but I'm really not getting what the difference is.
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Lidane Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:18:57am |
'Daily Show' Makes Hilarious Mockery of the NFL Referee Strike [VIDEO] - on.mash.to/QqqV4s— Pete Cashmore (@mashable) September 27, 2012
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:19:15am |
re: #246 iossarian
The most depressing thing about contemporary US "foreign violent involvement" (for want of a better phrase) is the complete lack of anything resembling a target or benchmark to determine whether or not we're actually achieving anything.
Strategy: drop bombs on people!
Is it working? Who knows!
When do we get to stop? Who knows!
We're more sophisticated than that. Every time they toggle a Hellfire, an airman puts Al Jazeera on the wide-screen.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:19:22am |
re: #248 Lidane
I voted for Gore in 2000. I had a sense he wasn't going to win, but I didn't like Nader at all and I'd already had Dubya as my governor and hated it. Gore was my best, most realistic choice at the time. I don't regret voting for him.
I've voted third party at the local and state level in the past, but these days I won't do that unless my only choice in a race is between a Republican and a third party candidate. The Texas GOP is total fail and I won't give them any votes at all.
I have never voted for a 3rd party, but I usually voted for Dems locally even when I voted for the GOP nationally.
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:22:19am |
re: #250 Obdicut
I don't think that's true. I think that people know that we're using drones and killing people in Pakistan, because it makes headlines a lot. If it doesn't, it's not because we're using drones to do it and not planes.
Seems about the same to me. What's the difference? I mean, if they were going over a country where they really might get shot down, it'd be different, but I'm really not getting what the difference is.
I think we simply disagree about the public perception of the drone campaign. I think that people are essentially unaware of it and/or don't have an emotional response to it. I mean people in general - obviously there is some portion of the population (in which I include myself) which mostly understands what's going on and is pretty depressed about it.
I agree the actual danger level and moral involvement of the pilots/guides themselves is pretty much the same - I just disagree that there would be no difference in public perception if we were using piloted planes (with all the attendant logistical framework that would presumably imply).
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:23:26am |
re: #253 Sheila Brovlofski
I have never voted for a 3rd party, but I usually voted for Dems locally even when I voted for the GOP nationally.
Were you voting for City of Detroit people or are you in the suburbs?
Wouldn't have thought there would be much point in voting (R) locally if you're in Detroit proper.
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:23:27am |
Or this.
Low-Collateral Damage Bomb (LCDB)
BLU-126/B
Primary Function:Attack soft fragment sensitives targets, troops, POL, radars and aircrafts in the open with reduced collateral damage
Contractor: Inventory (NAVY)
Platforms: Navy: F/A-18 A-D, AV-8B.
Guidance: Ballistic
Explosives (New): 27 lbs. PBXN-109
Fuze: FMU-139
Stabilizer: 500 lb Guidance Kits
Warhead: 500 lbs. Blast/Fragmentation
Weight: 460 lbs. Body w/casing
Length: 60.57 inches Body w/casing
Diameter: 11.05 inches Body w/casing
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Obdicut Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:24:58am |
re: #254 iossarian
I think we simply disagree about the public perception of the drone campaign. I think that people are essentially unaware of it and/or don't have an emotional response to it.
I think that, to whatever extent that's true, that's true of conventional bombing campaigns as well.
I agree the actual danger level and moral involvement of the pilots/guides themselves is pretty much the same - I just disagree that there would be no difference in public perception if we were using piloted planes (with all the attendant logistical framework that would presumably imply).
Do you not think there's a logistical framework for drones?
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:25:50am |
re: #255 iossarian
Were you voting for City of Detroit people or are you in the suburbs?
Wouldn't have thought there would be much point in voting (R) locally if you're in Detroit proper.
I am not within the Detroit city limits.
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:26:21am |
re: #257 Obdicut
I think that, to whatever extent that's true, that's true of conventional bombing campaigns as well.
Like I said - agree to disagree. I'm not that invested in my theory.
Do you not think there's a logistical framework for drones?
Sure, but presumably the reason we're using them (or one of the reasons) is that they're cheaper.
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AK-47% Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:28:19am |
re: #244 William Barnett-Lewis
[I] held my nose and voted for Gore in 2000.
I tried that and it still stank. Was a tough call, and being registered in Arizona, almost totally irrelevant.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:28:21am |
re: #257 Obdicut
I think that, to whatever extent that's true, that's true of conventional bombing campaigns as well.
Do you not think there's a logistical framework for drones?
Not all of it. Mortuary Services is part of the G4 Logistics function.
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:29:31am |
re: #259 iossarian
Like I said - agree to disagree. I'm not that invested in my theory.
Sure, but presumably the reason we're using them (or one of the reasons) is that they're cheaper.
That's one reason. There are many others including lowered troop casualties, accuracy, collateral damage, etc.
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:30:50am |
re: #262 Gus
That's one reason. There are many others including lowered troop casualties, accuracy, collateral damage, etc.
Like I said - cheaper.
Or is that insufficiently "caring" towards other people's lives?
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Obdicut Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:31:18am |
re: #259 iossarian
Like I said - agree to disagree. I'm not that invested in my theory.
But I'm asking you why you have your theory-- why do you think public perception of bombing campaigns using drones is lower than for human piloted planes?
In both cases, we get the information about it through media sources. The actual number of people flying missions isn't enough to spread information through word of mouth or anything, so the whole "My husband is flying missions" part doesn't make much sense to me.
We flew a ton of missions over Iraq during 'peacetime', blowing stuff up, and eventually it stopped getting reported on so much because we were just always doing it.
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:33:37am |
re: #263 iossarian
Like I said - cheaper.
Or is that insufficiently "caring" towards other people's lives?
We should ask the Taliban and AQ that question. But yes. The fact is that a Hellfire missile results in lowered collateral damage figures. It's not perfect but it's a heck of a lot better than any other delivery system.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:35:40am |
re: #242 Obdicut
If we're killing a lot of civilians-- especially children-- and the sole purpose of the attacks is to reduce the number of people attacking us, then it's a bad policy. Continued attacks will continue recruitment.
If we really have very good intel and are actually killing important leaders, human infrastructure, then it's a good policy.
It is nearly impossible for us to judge that. But that is the way with most military campaigns. People are in the way. Nobody gets to go stand on a grassy field and fight the enemy army drawn up neatly in a row anymore. The standard cannot be that we can never kill civilians accidentally, or we'll be unable to fight in any way at all.
But we should still keep in mind that killing civilians causes backlash from the family, friends, and may radicalize people against us who otherwise would have been neutral, or even for us.
It's a dark calculation.
I agree its a dark calculation, but those are fairly common in war. We cannot physically get at the scum that hide in North Waziristan on the ground, but we cannot leave them the area as a sanctuary. Hence the drone strikes. Drone strikes are the least-worse option we have.
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:36:32am |
re: #266 Dark_Falcon
I agree its a dark calculation, but those are fairly common in war. We cannot physically get at the scum that hide in North Waziristan on the ground, but we cannot leave them the area as a sanctuary. Hence the drone strikes. Drone strikes are the least-worse option we have.
Hey! What's the TNT or yield equivalent for the Hellfire?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:38:06am |
re: #249 Gus
Ordinance trends are going towards lower yield bombs for these purposes. A Hellfire has a 20 pound warhead. Mark 82 is 500 pounds. A JDAM is 2000 pounds. I'd rather be near the Hellfire if given a choice.
IIRC, they have JDAM kits for smaller bombs now, even possibly the Mark 82. They started on that a while back since the bigger bombs were overkill for most of the targets they were using them on - especially in Afghanistan. An attempt to get the compound/building the Taliban was in without taking out half the village.
A major difference in the last twenty years has been that precision delivery of ordinance has greatly improved. Laser-guided bomb technology started in Vietnam (and trying to use radio-control goes back to WW2.) The Gulf War had bombs being targeted to hit directly on ventilators, and things have improved a bit even from there. And that is just describing what has been done with dropped bombs - the missiles have gotten quite accurate as well.
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Obdicut Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:38:39am |
re: #267 iossarian
Maybe you're right.
Don't get me wrong, I think the idea of drones-- of unmanned, semi-robotic things flying around and shooting stuff-- is different from guys in planes doing the same thing. But I don't agree that it makes the public pay less attention or anything. I do think that it allows us to put just materiel on the line rather than our own guy's lives, but that's about it for practical difference-- and even that is basically non-existent given our total air superiority; drone pilots are probably as likely to die from a deep vein thrombosis from sitting down too long as pilots are from being shot down by militants.
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darthstar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:40:03am |
Mornin' everyone...
Wow...just wow...from Gail Collins' column this morning.
at the Romney rally here in Westerville, Nicklaus was telling the crowd that he chose golf as his profession because it didn’t require teamwork. (“I didn’t lean on somebody else in tough times.”)
Then Nicklaus introduced Mitt Romney. “What you heard from the Golden Bear ... the words he spoke, he touched my heart,” said the candidate.
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:40:35am |
GDP is down for the 2nd quarter. Wingnuts are doing the Snoopy dance.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:41:21am |
re: #268 Gus
Hey! What's the TNT or yield equivalent for the Hellfire?
The HE warhead weighs 20 pounds.
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:43:47am |
Hackers with the group #Anonymous say they disabled the New York website of Golden Dawn #NYC #Greece bit.ly/OXgs1D— Extremis Project (@ExtremisProject) September 27, 2012
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:44:44am |
re: #270 Obdicut
Air superiority probably does have quite a bit to do with it. More of a difference if people get shot down now and again.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:48:22am |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:49:02am |
re: #274 Gus
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"Free speech for us, but not for people we don't like! And if you yell at us for it we'll steal your credit card details and go on a shopping spree!" DERP!
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:53:34am |
re: #277 Dark_Falcon
"Free speech for us, but not for people we don't like! And if you yell at us for it we'll steal your credit card details and go on a shopping spree!" DERP!
Yeah. But I hate Greek Nazis.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:56:13am |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 6:57:49am |
re: #278 Gus
Yeah. But I hate Greek Nazis.
I hate them too, but the way to counter hate speech is with better speech, not via vigilante censorship.
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Lidane Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:01:29am |
Faking up the Polls did not work? ah. Phase 2? Panic. | @buzzfeedben ..the 1st debates can be hugely helpful politico.com/news/stories/0... ...— KLNorvell (@KLNorvell) September 27, 2012
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:04:12am |
I woke up with the news that real refs are back in the NFL. That's great. I will enjoy the game tonight now.
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lawhawk Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:04:15am |
Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Hope those who fasted yesterday for Yom Kippur had an easy fast and this morning I'm catching up on the news. I see that media outlets are spinning Ahmadinejad's visit to the UN and how he toned down his message, but he's got more than enough anti-Israel venom in there without naming Israel. There's plenty of references to Zionism and that's a direct reference to Israel, and his interviews indicate that he's not any less anti-Israel or anti-Jewish than he's been in the past.
As he's done in the past, he railed on about the existing world order and encouraged a new one - which is likely to score him points among the nonaligned nations (NAM), which is a huge portion of the General Assembly, even as he and his regime busy themselves with all manner of plans to wreak havoc on the rest of the Middle East by and through their proxies and his ongoing support for Assad in Syria.
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Eventual Carrion Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:05:53am |
re: #206 Decatur Deb
Missionary in a big pot, to the cannibal chief:
"You can't stew me, I'm a friar".
(Favorite Franciscan joke.)
Two cannibals eating a clown. One looks at the other and asks, "Does this taste funny to you?"
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darthstar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:08:18am |
re: #284 NJDhockeyfan
I woke up with the news that real refs are back in the NFL. That's great. I will enjoy the game tonight now.
I think it sucks. Yeah, I'm glad the refs are back, but could we mix in a few replacements? First, it will be good training for them, and second, they made the game unpredictable. Imagine running a sports book in Nevada during the first four weeks. What's the point spread on the Dolpins? I DON'T FUCKING KNOW!!! Plus 6.5, minus 13...go play keno!
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Interesting Times Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:08:45am |
Purdue economist: this year's drought could be 2nd most expensive weather event in history, trailing only Katrina courierpress.com/news/2012/sep/...— Bill McKibben (@billmckibben) September 27, 2012
Durr hurr, know what would fix this? MOAR ARCTIC DRILLING! Oh wait...
Record Arctic Snow Loss May Be Prolonging North American Drought bit.ly/SRNg7v #p2— Alheli Picazo (@a_picazo) September 27, 2012
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darthstar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:09:16am |
re: #286 Eventual Carrion
Two cannibals eating a clown. One looks at the other and asks, "Does this taste funny to you?"
Did you hear the one about the cannibal who passed his friend in the street?
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lawhawk Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:09:26am |
re: #282 Lidane
Except that in some corners, the voting has already begun.
Voting began in Iowa today. That's considered a swing state.
The full schedule is here . AZ begins Oct 4. Quite a few states start during the week of October 22. Early voting may blunt last minute pushes by the campaigns in some areas, and it changes the campaign schedules to get out the vote as early as possible in those states and it requires a sustained effort to keep up the turnout.
In other word, the early voting complicates just how the campaigns have to do their jobs and figure out their schedules of appearances to maximize their impact.
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darthstar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:09:29am |
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Eventual Carrion Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:09:29am |
re: #213 Sheila Brovlofski
TEH DERP NEVER STOPS!
Random gene mutations cause of many mental disabilities. Thot random mutations were key to evolution! fxn.ws/PqJySV
— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) September 27, 2012
And not all mutations are beneficial, Bryan. As your parents have made us all too painfully aware.
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darthstar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:11:12am |
re: #295 Gus
I did. In it I found America.
Cue the Mellencamp..."little pink houses, for you and me..."
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:12:48am |
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darthstar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:13:37am |
re: #298 Targetpractice
Get this man some alcohol, stat!
Make it rubbing alcohol...that's what Boo Boo fans drink I hear.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:14:01am |
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lawhawk Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:14:07am |
Oh, and the NFL has tentatively agreed to a new deal with the referees' union. Much rejoicing.
That is until the union refs botch their first major call. It's not as though they were infalliable before (they weren't) - and some of their calls have ended up changing seasons for teams as well as instituting new rules (Tuck rule, out of bounds calls, etc.) What we are more likely to see is more consistency in calls of games, faster calls being made, etc.
Lest we forget, the replay judges during the replacement ref games were the regular ones - they weren't striking. So the eyes in the sky could have overturned the call on the field on possession grounds - but declined to do so. The replay judge couldn't overturn on the potential pass interference though since that wasn't called.
Still, it's interesting that even anti-union types were supporting the union here (it's football!). Fancy that.
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:14:10am |
re: #299 darthstar
Make it rubbing alcohol...that's what Boo Boo fans drink I hear.
They look more like the Sterno type.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:14:47am |
re: #289 Gus
Dear God. I finally looked into Honey Boo Boo.
What is a Honey Boo Boo, an injury from a jar of honey?
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:14:54am |
re: #302 Gus
They look more like the Sterno type.
I thought Everclear was their particular demographic's beverage of choice.
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darthstar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:15:06am |
re: #290 darthstar
Did you hear the one about the cannibal who passed his friend in the street?
Fine, how about the one about the constipated mathematician? (He had to work it out with a pencil. Yeah the cannibal passing his friend in the street is better.)
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:15:25am |
re: #305 Sheila Brovlofski
I thought Everclear was their particular demographic's beverage of choice.
Antifreeze!
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Interesting Times Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:15:36am |
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:16:11am |
And it's on the freaking LEARNING Channel?
Seriously? Seriously?!?
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Lidane Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:16:16am |
re: #291 lawhawk
In other word, the early voting complicates just how the campaigns have to do their jobs and figure out their schedules of appearances to maximize their impact.
Exactly, which is why Romney HQ should have started laying out a specific policy agenda months ago, and reinforced it through speeches and public appearances long before now. It's too late.
The RNC should have been policy driven, laying down clear ideas for what Romney and Ryan would do if elected, and every speech there should have backed them up. It was a week-long national spotlight on the GOP and they blew it. The only thing anyone really remembers anymore is Clint Eastwood yelling at an empty chair.
It's not over yet. A lot can happen between now and the election. But Romney's in that much worse of a position now because he really can't get out there and effectively start telling people what he stands for, considering a lot of folks have already made up their minds and are already voting.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:16:50am |
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darthstar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:16:51am |
re: #302 Gus
They look more like the Sterno type.
Mmm...Sterno with a Mt. Dew chaser and a big wet rail of freshly cooked meth. I'm good till Monday.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:17:39am |
re: #301 lawhawk
Oh, and the NFL has tentatively agreed to a new deal with the referees' union. Much rejoicing.
That is until the union refs botch their first major call. It's not as though they were infalliable before (they weren't) - and some of their calls have ended up changing seasons for teams as well as instituting new rules (Tuck rule, out of bounds calls, etc.) What we are more likely to see is more consistency in calls of games, faster calls being made, etc.
Lest we forget, the replay judges during the replacement ref games were the regular ones - they weren't striking. So the eyes in the sky could have overturned the call on the field on possession grounds - but declined to do so. The replay judge couldn't overturn on the potential pass interference though since that wasn't called.
Still, it's interesting that even anti-union types were supporting the union here (it's football!). Fancy that.
Indeed, John Marshall had a reader pointing out on Tuesday that the whole NFL union ref business was rather clearly demonstrating the lie behind the anti-union argument that non-union replacements are "as good" or better than union workers. That it's a myth that you can grab any schlub off the street and expect him to do the same job at the same proficiency than the guy who's been doing it for years.
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Lidane Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:17:41am |
re: #301 lawhawk
Still, it's interesting that even anti-union types were supporting the union here (it's football!). Fancy that.
Union busting is all well and good until it gets in the way of football, apparently.
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darthstar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:18:09am |
re: #308 Interesting Times
Holy fuck tell me that pic is just staged white trash and not real people.
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:18:56am |
re: #315 darthstar
Holy fuck tell me that pic is just staged white trash and not real people.
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kirkspencer Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:19:23am |
re: #264 Obdicut
But I'm asking you why you have your theory-- why do you think public perception of bombing campaigns using drones is lower than for human piloted planes?
In both cases, we get the information about it through media sources. The actual number of people flying missions isn't enough to spread information through word of mouth or anything, so the whole "My husband is flying missions" part doesn't make much sense to me.
We flew a ton of missions over Iraq during 'peacetime', blowing stuff up, and eventually it stopped getting reported on so much because we were just always doing it.
One point of possibility is emotional investment. Piloted aircraft have two such points: the potential risk to the pilot, and the 'urge to fly' a lot of people experience. Both mean there's a small but possibly significant increase in attention.
A machine doing a machine's job - which even though there's still a person controlling from a distance is what's happening - doesn't bring the emotional investment. Therefore what happens in conjunction or consequence isn't carried.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:20:07am |
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kirkspencer Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:20:08am |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:20:11am |
re: #305 Sheila Brovlofski
I thought Everclear was their particular demographic's beverage of choice.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:20:40am |
VIDEO: Tampa Bay's rookies put on wigs and bikinis and danced in front of the Green Monster. (Yikes.) deadsp.in/7W6SMF— Deadspin (@Deadspin) September 27, 2012
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Interesting Times Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:20:41am |
re: #316 Gus
Poor kid. It's like you can practically see the thought bubble above her head with the phrase "Dear God, what the fuck did I do to deserve this?"
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:21:00am |
Herbert Lom died.
Drat. Who are we going to get to build a death ray and erase the United Nations Building now? I didn't hear Varek volunteer.
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kirkspencer Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:21:41am |
re: #315 darthstar
Holy fuck tell me that pic is just staged white trash and not real people.
yes and no. It's staged white trash but not the way you mean it. They do it to themselves, regularly.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:22:19am |
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darthstar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:22:25am |
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kirkspencer Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:22:32am |
re: #322 Interesting Times
Poor kid. It's like you can practically see the thought bubble above her head with the phrase "Dear God, what the fuck did I do to deserve this?"
Which tells me you haven't watched the show. The more accurate bubble would be "Why aren't you giving me something now?"
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lawhawk Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:22:46am |
re: #305 Sheila Brovlofski
Hooch and moonshine. Everclear is so upper crust. /
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kirkspencer Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:24:40am |
re: #321 NJDhockeyfan
[Embedded content]
Those are not bikinis (and so I need merely brain bleach, not eye replacement.)
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:24:57am |
re: #316 Gus
RT @watchj: Dear White people ashamed of this "Honey Boo Boo" show....This is how we felt all 8 seasons of Flava of Love Sincerely, Blac ...— Gran Flaco (@JPOSE23) August 23, 2012
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darthstar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:25:46am |
re: #328 lawhawk
Hooch and moonshine. Everclear is so upper crust. /
Hey, I love some good moonshine. One thing I miss about changing jobs is the occsaional trip to the Atlanta office, where one of the engineers has some local friends and in exchange for buying them a greasy fat dinner they'd bring me some homemade moonshine. Shit was smooth and tasty. And it fucked you up.
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:26:32am |
re: #330 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
[Embedded content]
That's nice. I'm not ashamed of it because they're white people.
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darthstar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:27:20am |
Michele Bachmann (R-MN) fearmongering anti-muslim ad backfires (cap.af/QWSnEl) & Jim Graves (D) narrows gap. cap.af/QWSoYW— CAP Action: Congress (@CAPcongress) September 27, 2012
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:28:29am |
Samuel Jackson video tells Obama voters "Wake the F-- up!" tpm.ly/RkMzqv— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) September 27, 2012
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lawhawk Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:28:30am |
re: #315 darthstar
Not staged; it's apparently an outtake from an Anderson episode that films at the Time Warner Center.
[Link: jezebel.com...]
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:28:58am |
Ahmadinejad’s men go on NYC discount shopping spree for shampoo, soap, vitamins and shoes
After stirring up controversy at the United Nations after unveiling his vision for a 'new world order', Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad decided to spend some time socking up the Manhattan high-life.
But as the dictator made himself at home at the luxurious Warwick hotel, his hired underlings were rushing around town to snap up bargains and products they can't get back home at discount stores.
Meanwhile, his fellow Iranian delegates were visiting American chains including the Payless shoe store, Costco, Walgreens and Duane Reade to stock up on shampoo, soap, vitamins and cheap clothing.
Is there a soap shortage in Tehran?
Why yes, there is...
A man assigned to work with the Iranians told the Daily News: 'Since they are under sanctions, they can’t get this stuff. Their money is weak compared to the dollar.'
...This has made it difficult for Iranians to get hold of any foreign goods or imported products.
The source added that one Iranian bought a $40 pair of children's shoes at the Payless store on Fifth Avenue but the purchase nearly wiped out his spending money for the trip.
At a Harlem Costco, they bought an assortment of wholesale shampoos before heading to a drugstore where they purchased more than a dozen bottles of vitamins and Tylenol.
Heh.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:29:31am |
re: #331 darthstar
Hey, I love some good moonshine. One thing I miss about changing jobs is the occsaional trip to the Atlanta office, where one of the engineers has some local friends and in exchange for buying them a greasy fat dinner they'd bring me some homemade moonshine. Shit was smooth and tasty. And it fucked you up.
You can get that in Chicago now.
Some might say 'again', but the Dragon Ranch's location was in the Northside Gangs territory and they did not use moonshine. /reference is to Prohibition, made relevant by the current season of Boardwalk Empire.
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:30:12am |
re: #335 lawhawk
Not staged; it's apparently an outtake from an Anderson episode that films at the Time Warner Center.
[Link: jezebel.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:31:08am |
re: #333 darthstar
[Embedded content]
In that race I'm rooting for the Democrat. Michele Bachmann is a political toxin and her removal from Congress will be a good thing for the GOP.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:31:09am |
re: #330 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
[Embedded content]
Reminds me of Jeff Ross' joke during Flavor Flav's roast:
"When white people watch your show they think 'Oh man this guy is funny'. When black people watch your show they say, 'I hope no white people are watching this show.'"
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:35:16am |
Iranian diplomat threatened by angry mob near UN
NEW YORK — Police escorted an Iranian diplomat from a Manhattan street Wednesday after angry protesters surrounded and threatened him near the United Nations.
Deputy Foreign Ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast was walking near the U.N. when he was noticed and confronted by the mob, said New York Police Department spokesman Paul Browne. The Iranian flagged down police officers, who helped him get to a safe spot.
Browne said the threats were believed to have been verbal.
...Protesters wore yellow vests with photos of people they say were massacred. One sign read: "Fallen for Freedom in Iran."
Welcome to NY Ramin!
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wheat-dogg Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:35:31am |
re: #289 Gus
Dear God. I finally looked into Honey Boo Boo.
I feel your pain. I only got as far as looking at photographs of this charming American family.
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darthstar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:35:59am |
What's hotter? Ryan's abs or AGW? (in media terms)
Image: A3zkrZVCIAAioLH.png
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:36:00am |
re: #343 wheatdogg
I feel your pain. I only got as far as looking at photographs of this charming American family.
Fortunately I haven't watched any moving pictures of this slop.
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Mr. Crankypants Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:37:59am |
re: #345 Gus
Fortunately I haven't watched any moving pictures of this slop.
It's train wreck videography. I suspect the whole purpose of the Honey Boo Boo show is so that the rest of us can look at it and say to our selves "Well at least I'm not as fucked up as those people."
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:38:55am |
re: #346 Mr. Crankypants
It's train wreck videography. I suspect the whole purpose of the Honey Boo Boo show is so that the rest of us can look at it and say to our selves "Well at least I'm not as fucked up as those people."
Like most reality TV.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:39:53am |
re: #336 NJDhockeyfan
Ahmadinejad’s men go on NYC discount shopping spree for shampoo, soap, vitamins and shoes
After stirring up controversy at the United Nations after unveiling his vision for a 'new world order', Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad decided to spend some time socking up the Manhattan high-life.
But as the dictator made himself at home at the luxurious Warwick hotel, his hired underlings were rushing around town to snap up bargains and products they can't get back home at discount stores.
Meanwhile, his fellow Iranian delegates were visiting American chains including the Payless shoe store, Costco, Walgreens and Duane Reade to stock up on shampoo, soap, vitamins and cheap clothing.
Is there a soap shortage in Tehran?
Why yes, there is...
Heh.
Allahu soap bar!
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Interesting Times Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:41:08am |
re: #345 Gus
Fortunately I haven't watched any moving pictures of this slop.
Me neither. HATE child-beauty pageants, and consider them a form of abuse - parading girls around in way-the-hell-too-sexualized outfits as if the parents want them to be pedophile jerk-off material. Just grotesque.
And now I'm having highly unpleasant flashbacks to a certain banned LGF user's blog. How much do you want to bet pictures from these pageant shows are being showcased for similar reasons? Ugh, ugh, UGH.
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lawhawk Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:41:24am |
re: #338 Gus
The food shows are pretty good - I've eaten at a few on my travels and at some local NYC metro stops. Haven't been disappointed at any of them. That includes the Tick Tock Diner (Clifton NJ), White Manna (Hackensack), Bobby's Burger Palace (multiple NYC metro locations) and Idle Spurs Steakhouse (Barstow CA).
Man vs Food's Adam Richman went to my alma mater (several years after I graduated).
Mrs. Lawhawk loved watching Ace of Cakes - the decorating was really neat and they got a bunch of talented folks there.
The other shows? Didn't really watch any of them.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:42:41am |
re: #348 Killgore Trout
Allahu soap bar!
That article could also be run under the headline of "If America is so bad, why do so many foreigners want to live, work and shop here?"
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:42:46am |
re: #349 Interesting Times
Me neither. HATE child-beauty pageants, and consider them a form of abuse - parading girls around in way-the-hell-too-sexualized outfits as if the parents want them to be pedophile jerk-off material. Just grotesque.
And now I'm having highly unpleasant flashbacks to a certain blocked LGF user's blog. How much do you want to bet pictures from these pageant shows are being showcased for similar reasons? Ugh, ugh, UGH.
My only exposure has been watching "Little Miss Sunshine" and from a bit of media coverage when the Benet-Ramsey case was getting a lot of attention.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:44:55am |
re: #351 Dark_Falcon
That article could also be run under the headline of "If America is so bad, why do so many foreigners want to live, work and shop here?"
Because they can bitch, whine, and seethe without getting abducted and thrown in jail.
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:45:04am |
This is amazing. Left hand side, Cranachhof, Wittenberg, E Germany, now. Right hand side, the view in 1989. twitter.com/PME200/status/...— Peter(@PME200) September 27, 2012
Behold! The miracle of communism!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:45:07am |
re: #351 Dark_Falcon
That article could also be run under the headline of "If America is so bad, why do so many foreigners want to live, work and shop here?"
Though there is a bit of "grass is greener over the border" behavior just about anywhere. When I used to live on the US-Canada border there were trips over to Canada to get certain things. And lots of Canadians coming over to the US side to buy certain different things.
Sounds like something that would promote some sort of trade agreement.
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:47:17am |
re: #351 Dark_Falcon
That article could also be run under the headline of "If America is so bad, why do so many foreigners want to live, work and shop here?"
Because US hegemonic power leads to a plenteous supply of material goods here, unlike the countries we exploit via that power to obtain those same goods?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:48:24am |
re: #355 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Though there is a bit of "grass is greener over the border" behavior just about anywhere. When I used to live on the US-Canada border there were trips over to Canada to get certain things. And lots of Canadians coming over to the US side to buy certain different things.
Sounds like something that would promote some sort of trade agreement.
Indeed, it did, and NAFTA was the name of the agreement. Though the agreement did send Ross Perot into something of a dither, and necessitate Al Gore smacking him down on CNN.
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BongCrodny Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:49:33am |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:49:53am |
re: #356 iossarian
Because US hegemonic power leads to a plenteous supply of material goods here, unlike the countries we exploit via that power to obtain those same goods?
HEGEMONY!
We're not really 'hegemonic' over China.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:51:22am |
Julian Assange lashes out at Obama's UN free speech comments (+video)
WikiLeaks founder, Julian Assange, mocked President Obama in a video addressed to the UN Wednesday. He asked how Obama could support freedom of speech in the Middle East, but not in the context of WikiLeaks?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:51:42am |
re: #354 Gus
[Embedded content]
Behold! The miracle of communism!
Careful Gus! you retweet too many pictures like that and they'll take away your Peronist Progressive Card.
/
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:52:58am |
Polls getting so bad for Mitt Romney this morning I saw a guy scraping a Romney bumper sticker off his car. It was Paul Ryan. #GOP2012— Chris Rock (@chrisrockoz) September 27, 2012
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:53:05am |
Why take responsibility for your own nation when you can simply blame something-something on the USA.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:53:32am |
re: #361 Killgore Trout
Julian Assange lashes out at Obama's UN free speech comments (+video)
Because freedom of speech is not absolute and ought not to cover leaking informant detail that will get people killed. But all of that will be lost on Assange, whose overall argument can be boiled down to "DERP!".
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Interesting Times Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:53:42am |
Google will probably spend its birthday today the same way as most 14 year-olds, searching for porn.— pourmecoffee (@pourmecoffee) September 27, 2012
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:55:45am |
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:55:57am |
re: #365 Dark_Falcon
Because freedom of speech is not absolute and ought not to cover leaking informant detail that will get people killed. But all of that will be lost on Assange, whose overall argument can be boiled down to "DERP!".
Why! You know damn well that if the Russians, Chinese, Iran, North Korea, etc., start reading our military and diplomatic secrets it will bring about world peace and we'll all soon be singing Kumbaya mother fucker!
//
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:56:12am |
re: #364 Gus
Why take responsibility for your own nation when you can simply blame something-something on the USA.
That same thought applies in the USA as well given how much our politicians blame outside forces for domestic problems as well.
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:57:47am |
re: #359 Dark_Falcon
HEGEMONY!
We're not really 'hegemonic' over China.
No, which presumably has some kind of connection to China's ability to grow its economy over the past few years. Interesting to speculate on the direction of a possible causal effect there - is China growing its economy because of its independence from American foreign policy, or vice-versa?
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iossarian Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:58:28am |
re: #368 Gus
Why! You know damn well that if the Russians, Chinese, Iran, North Korea, etc., start reading our military and diplomatic secrets it will bring about world peace and we'll all soon be singing Kumbaya mother fucker!
//
What was that about blaming other countries for our own misfortunes?
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 7:59:44am |
re: #371 iossarian
What was that about blaming other countries for our own misfortunes?
State secrets help prevent misfortunes. I prefer to keep it that way.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:01:08am |
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:03:03am |
re: #372 Gus
State secrets help prevent misfortunes. I prefer to keep it that way.
Unless we use it to cover up an allies warcrimes...
Katyn.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:06:56am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:07:51am |
re: #375 Varek Raith
New chapter in Jimmy Hoffa search: Police to drill beneath Michigan home,
find Geraldo.
Bones found. But then Killer Rabbit released!
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:08:03am |
re: #374 Varek Raith
Unless we use it to cover up an allies warcrimes...
Katyn.
Or our own war crimes if and when they occur. There are limitations.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:09:17am |
re: #375 Varek Raith
New chapter in Jimmy Hoffa search: Police to drill beneath Michigan home,
find Geraldo.
They are looking in the wrong place. He's underneath the endzone at the Meadowlands!
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:09:48am |
re: #375 Varek Raith
New chapter in Jimmy Hoffa search: Police to drill beneath Michigan home,
find Geraldo.
My mother brought up a valid point the other day: If they found Hoffa today, would it really matter? I mean the recent stories in the papers about the possibility of finding Amelia Earhart after all these decades didn't even get reporting above the fold.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:10:36am |
Mother Jones has another outrageous Mitt video today.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:10:54am |
re: #378 NJDhockeyfan
They are looking in the wrong place. He's underneath the endzone at the Meadowlands!
[Link: dsc.discovery.com...]
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:12:28am |
re: #379 Targetpractice
My mother brought up a valid point the other day: If they found Hoffa today, would it really matter? I mean the recent stories in the papers about the possibility of finding Amelia Earhart after all these decades didn't even get reporting above the fold.
Not really beyond the historical value. Which implies that "Hoffa" has some sort of cultural value that is currently higher than "Earhart". Though in the long run a better understanding of the final fate of an aviation pioneer is of more historical value than that of a corrupt union boss.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:13:56am |
re: #382 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Not really beyond the historical value. Which implies that "Hoffa" has some sort of cultural value that is currently higher than "Earhart". Though in the long run a better understanding of the final fate of an aviation pioneer is of more historical value than that of a corrupt union boss.
Think it has more to do with the mystery than with the actual person in question. Earhart's fame has lasted in large part due to the mystery of her disappearance. Same holds true with Hoffa and D.B. Cooper. If you could close the book on any of them tomorrow, the mystery disappears and it just becomes another page in the history book.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:15:28am |
Report: FBI waiting for access to Benghazi
TRIPOLI, Libya, Sept. 27 (UPI) -- FBI agents still are waiting to enter Benghazi, Libya, to begin investigating the deaths of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three others, officials said.
Senior law enforcement officials said the investigators were in Tripoli awaiting approval to travel to Benghazi, where Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other diplomatic staff employees were killed Sept. 11 at the U.S. Consulate in the eastern Libyan city, CNN reported.
In addition, the crime scene has not been secured, prompting concerns about how useful any information gathered will be, officials said.
FBI agents made a request through the U.S. State Department for the crime scene to be secured but nothing has happened, CNN reported.
Last Thursday, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told reporters an FBI team had arrived in Libya earlier in the week.
FBI investigators interviewed members of the U.S. State Department and other U.S. government personnel in Libya at the time of the attack, but the FBI's request to directly question individuals in Libyan custody was denied, CNN said.
I thought they got there right away. What is taking so long?
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Mocking Jay Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:21:34am |
Sam Jackson. Wake the F@#K Up. Kind of surreal, really...
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:26:06am |
re: #384 NJDhockeyfan
Report: FBI waiting for access to Benghazi
I thought they got there right away. What is taking so long?
It's not safe for criminal investigators yet. If FBI agents get killed or taken hostage it only makes problems worse. This does underscore the problems with treating these situations as a criminal investigation. It's too dangerous and it's not really what the FBI is designed or equipped to do. Better left to military and NSA.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:34:07am |
re: #387 Killgore Trout
It's not safe for criminal investigators yet. If FBI agents get killed or taken hostage it only makes problems worse. This does underscore the problems with treating these situations as a criminal investigation. It's too dangerous and it's not really what the FBI is designed or equipped to do. Better left to military and NSA.
You would think we would send in some special forces or military help to guard the FBI agents. It's been 2 weeks and still
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:35:29am |
Mexico captures top Zetas drug lord, in major blow to cartel
MEXICO CITY -- Mexico's navy has captured "Zeta-50," a top leader of a faction of the recently divided Zetas drug cartel, in an operation in the city of San Luis Potosi, news reports said late Wednesday.
"A person who is presumed to be, and acknowledges being, Ivan Velazquez Caballero, was captured," the navy said in a statement, according to the Associated Press.
The capture of Velazquez, also known by the alias "El Taliban," would deal a major blow to the fractious Zetas group and raise new doubts about the future of the criminal power dynamic in Mexico's violent northeast region.
Authorities indicated that they would provide more information Thursday on Velasquez's arrest, as he was being transferred to Mexico City, reports said.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:36:46am |
re: #390 NJDhockeyfan
Mexico captures top Zetas drug lord, in major blow to cartel
We sent FAST teams.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:36:51am |
re: #389 NJDhockeyfan
You would think we would send in some special forces or military help to guard the FBI agents. It's been 2 weeks and still
If it was a rural area it wouldn't be a problem but this is a city. Lot's of people, houses, businesses. No way to tell who's around or what they may be up to. Not really a problem, the FBI is probably just for show anyways. I'm sure other agencies are working on it and making progress.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:40:06am |
Ha! Gotta love Drudge sometimes.
[Link: drudgereport.com...]
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:40:24am |
Top Ahmadinejad aide arrested in Iran during president's U.S. visit
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s top press adviser was taken into custody to begin serving a six-month jail sentence after being convicted of publishing material deemed insulting to the country’s supreme leader.
Ali Akbar Javanfekr, who is also the head of the state-run IRNA news agency, is one of dozens of Ahmadinejad’s allies detained since April 2011 in the fallout from a political feud between the president and the country’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. Iran’s hardline political establishment slapped down Ahmadinejad and his supporters after the president briefly challenged an order from the country’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei over the choice of intelligence chief.
The semiofficial Fars news agency said judicial agents detained Javanfekr late Wednesday. IRNA said Javanfekr was arrested as Ahmadinejad, who had shielded his press adviser in the past from arrest, began his speech at the U.N. General Assembly in New York.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:41:37am |
re: #393 Mocking Jay
Ha! Gotta love Drudge sometimes.
[Link: drudgereport.com...]
"Ring ring ring ring! ObamaPhone!"
/Badger song
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:42:05am |
re: #395 Killgore Trout
"Ring ring ring ring! ObamaPhone!"
/Badger song
Damn, now that'll be stuck in my head all day.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:42:45am |
re: #393 Mocking Jay
Ha! Gotta love Drudge sometimes.
[Link: drudgereport.com...]
What's that you say? I can't hear it above all the whistling!
//
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:43:58am |
re: #392 Killgore Trout
If it was a rural area it wouldn't be a problem but this is a city. Lot's of people, houses, businesses. No way to tell who's around or what they may be up to. Not really a problem, the FBI is probably just for show anyways. I'm sure other agencies are working on it and making progress.
Last night CNN said they went by and there was just a lock on the front door. Nobody was guarding it. Not even Libyan security.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:50:09am |
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ReamWorks SKG Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:53:17am |
I'm so glad my religion has no concept of an Anti-Moshiach!
Now off to work! Have a big weekend ahead. It's Sukkah Building Season!
The LDS Church's massive recent ad campaign probably helped dodge a bullet wrt this election. I'm sure the YouTube ads, etc, weren't coincidental: Christians who believe that "Satan" is tempting people off the path would normally be very wary of any faith that changes the standard Christian narrative.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:53:53am |
Carved From Meteorite, This Thousand-Year-Old Statue Was Taken From Tibet by the Nazi SS
Thought to stem from the work of the 11th century Bon culture, this 22-pound statue of the Buddhist god Vaiśravana has a storied history, say scientists. It careened about in space as an asteroid before crashing into Asia. There, it was picked up and carved by the early Tibetans. The resulting statue later passed into the hands of the Nazi Schutzstaffel in the late 1930s.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:57:01am |
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:57:33am |
re: #400 ReamWorks SKG
I'm so glad my religion has no concept of an Anti-Moshiach!
Now off to work! Have a big weekend ahead. It's Sukkah Building Season!
When Moshiach (Messiah) comes, he will bring peace, justice and prosperity and an end to war and hunger for everyone.
In some other traditions this will be known as the "Antichrist."
That Ben-David has brought worldwide peace and justice, no more war and enough food for everyone! He must be the Antichrist!
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:57:42am |
re: #374 Varek Raith
Unless we use it to cover up an allies warcrimes...
Katyn.
This story is another non-revelation.
You are aware, I trust, that this cover-up got only as far as the end of the war? Even during the war, Soviet culpability was widely publicized in the west. The reports from the two American PoWs that form the gist of the new "revelations" were the subject of extensive testimony at Congressional hearings in 1951. The PoWs, Colonel John H. Van Vliet and Captain Donald Stewart, had been taken to the site by the Germans. Both concluded that the Soviets were responsible. The 1951 hearings themselves concluded that the Soviets were responsible and, to my knowledge, this was never officially contradicted or challenged in the US during subsequent years.
From the CIA website,Katyn: Stalin's Killing Fields
This has been posted since 2007.
The newly released documents "prove" that the western allied leaders made a conscious decision not to confront the Soviets over the massacre while the war was in progress, but this has hardly been in doubt since the time it happened. Churchill directly mentions this troubling decision, and defends it, in his autobiography.
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Mich-again Thu, Sep 27, 2012 8:58:17am |
re: #394 Killgore Trout
The semiofficial Fars news agency said judicial agents detained Javanfekr late Wednesday. IRNA said Javanfekr was arrested as Ahmadinejad, who had shielded his press adviser in the past from arrest, began his speech at the U.N. General Assembly in New York.
Whose judicial agents?
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ReamWorks SKG Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:00:08am |
re: #402 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Just like brains!
I'm hoping Mother Jones is saving the really good stuff for after the debates.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:02:42am |
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Mocking Jay Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:05:50am |
re: #402 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Did the video cut off right before he mentioned all of the jobs they were going to create for people?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:05:54am |
Iran warns citizens of the dangers of travel to Canada
Iran's foreign ministry says "Islamphobia" and "Iranophobia" are growing in Canada and Iranians who come to Canada could face possible arrest, attacks, expulsion and murder.
The government also warns Iranians to be careful not to walk into traps laid by criminal groups.
"Given the fact that Iran has no longer an embassy in Canada and some anti-Iranian groups in the country have a good opportunity to take revenge on the Iranian nationals, the nationals should be vigilant about the issue," the Tehran Times reported.
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Eventual Carrion Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:08:08am |
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Mich-again Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:08:24am |
re: #402 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Other than using the word harvest instead of sell there isn't much there..
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:08:49am |
More cartoon attacks thwarted!
Iranian daily Shargh shut down for publishing "insulting" cartoon
Iranian media report that one day after the scandal over the cartoon, the newspaper was shut down on Wednesday night by the order of the Press Supervisory Board.
Mahmoud Alizadeh Tabatabayi, the attorney for the Shargh newspaper, reported that the authorities have also issued a warrant for the arrest of Mehdi Rahmanian, the director of publication, for whom he is trying to secure a release on bail.
The controversy has risen over a cartoon titled "blindfold" that was published in a special issue commemorating the Iran-Iraq War. The cartoon shows people standing in line, with each putting a blindfold on the person in front.
The Minister of Guidance announced that the cartoon was an insult to "the soldiers of the sacred defence", which is how the establishment refers to the eight-year Iran-Iraq War.
Parliament also condemned the cartoon in a statement, which has so far been signed by 120 MPs.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:09:45am |
re: #411 Mich-again
Other than using the word harvest instead of sell there isn't much there..
Another lame attempt to manufacture outrage.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:09:57am |
re: #409 Killgore Trout
Iran warns citizens of the dangers of travel to Canada
I can attest to that
Beer
Funny colored money
Beer
Strip clubs
Beer
going to be FRAKKIN FREEZING soon
Beer
and
Beer
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Mich-again Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:10:10am |
re: #407 Killgore Trout
The Mullahs.
So did the Mullahs agents arrest anyone else while they were here in the States? Anyone seen Pam Gellar lately?
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:10:33am |
re: #414 sattv4u2
Iran warns citizens of the dangers of travel to Canada
I can attest to that
Beer
Funny colored money
Beer
Strip clubs
Beer
going to be FRAKKIN FREEZING soon
Beer
and
Beer
Poutine!
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:10:34am |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:11:00am |
re: #415 Mich-again
So did the Mullahs agents arrest anyone else while they were here in the States? Anyone seen Pam Gellar lately?
He was arrested in Iran.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:12:15am |
re: #416 Killgore Trout
Poutine!
((from Modern Family last night,,, Jay is served Poutine)
Jay,,, "What is that?"
His son,, "It's Poutine"
Jay,,"well, I ain't poutine-ing that in my mouth"
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Mocking Jay Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:12:36am |
re: #413 Killgore Trout
Another lame attempt to manufacture Troutrage!!!
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:14:27am |
re: #411 Mich-again
Well, buying a company then selling off its assets may not be the words Mitt would have used, Harvesting sounds a lot less "messy".
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Bulworth Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:14:43am |
Is Barack Obama the Antichrist? Well, amazingly enough, religious right caveman Bryan Fischer thinks it’s too early to say.
This indecision and waffling is just inexcusable. //
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:14:49am |
re: #414 sattv4u2
Iran warns citizens of the dangers of travel to Canada
I can attest to that
Beer
Funny colored money
Beer
Strip clubs
Beer
going to be FRAKKIN FREEZING soon
Beer
and
Beer
The last time we visited Canada, Zedushka put a loonie in a vending machine to buy a soda, and the machine kept throwing it back out. Finally he went over to the clerk to ask what was wrong with the vending machine? The clerk explained, "Oh, they changed the weight of the loonies and the machines are only configured to accept the weight of the old loonies. But I can sell you a drink from the counter!"
Zedushka said, "Yeah well, a counter drink is $0.50 more than from the machine!"
WTF!!
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Mich-again Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:15:40am |
re: #413 Killgore Trout
Another lame attempt to manufacture outrage.
Yeah I agree with that. Pretty lame. But it didn't help to use the word harvest unless he intended to use the analogy of organ donation to describe how Bain divvied up companies.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:15:47am |
re: #423 Sheila Brovlofski
The last time we visited Canada, Zedushka put a loonie in a vending machine to buy a soda, and the machine kept throwing it back out. Finally he went over to the clerk to ask what was wrong with the vending machine? The clerk explained, "Oh, they changed the weight of the loonies and the machines are only configured to accept the weight of the old loonies. But I can sell you a drink from the counter!"
Zedushka said, "Yeah well, a counter drink is $0.50 more than from the machine!"
WTF!!
What's a loonie?
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:16:05am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:16:19am |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:16:56am |
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Shropshire_Slasher Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:17:40am |
My father always blamed the moonies.
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Sheila Broflovski Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:18:07am |
Yes, Canucks have $1 and $2 coins! You would think their pockets would all sag to their ankles because of all the heavy weight of the coins they have to carry around, but the clever Canadians eliminated the penny, and they also changed the composition of the loonies and the twonies ($2 coin) to be lighter to carry around, I guess they are partly made of plastic.
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Mich-again Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:18:59am |
re: #418 Killgore Trout
He was arrested in Iran.
OK that makes sense.. Can you tell I only read the excerpt. But if Ahmadinejad was on the other side of the planet why did the agents wait until he was making the speech at the UN? Were they afraid their little buddy might go off on the Mullahs in his speech?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:19:00am |
Bibi is not mincing words today...
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:22:41am |
Creepy...
A spy software that captures couples having sex
WASHINGTON: A software programme developed to track the locations of rented computers secretly collected confidential and personal information about consumers, including medical records, bank statements and even webcam pictures of couples engaged in sex, the Federal Trade Commission said on Tuesday in a settlement that bars eight companies from any further cyber spying.
...When an add-on programme known as Detective Mode was activated, the software could capture computer screen shots, furtively take photos using the computer's webcam, log key strokes and trick consumers into providing personal contact information, according to the FTC.
Detective Mode could gather data every two minutes that a computer is connected to the internet until the programme is directed to stop. The information would then be forwarded from DesignerWare's servers to the rental store that activated the programme, according to the FTC.
"In numerous instances, Detective Mode webcam activations have taken pictures of children, individuals not fully clothed, and couples engaged in sexual activities," the FTC said.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:22:41am |
re: #432 NJDhockeyfan
Bibi is not mincing words today...
I say let him go for it. If only Clinton would come up to the stage afterward and say that if Bibi wants to go to war, he'll be doing it alone.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:24:46am |
Freeper in despair over poll results:
Last Night I Cried
Last night, I gave in and cried. As the Mom of 3 kids, I feel hopeless. The polls show that Obama is winning, whether we try to deny it or not. I keep asking myself "Who are these so-called Americans who will re-elect this disaster we've had in office for almost 4 years?" I am scared. Scared for the lives my children will have to live, thanks to the resident currently occupying the White House. No, I will never call him my president..in my opinion, you have to EARN that title. And the man who currently occupies the White House is much more concerned about being popular with the "in" crowd..you know, the Hollywood Liberals. Who cares that gas prices have tripled since he took office? That food prices have skyrocketed? That most of us who work for a living are struggling from paycheck to paycheck while the lazy people live off of our hard work? Hopeless. I keep going back to that word..because I feel as though we have nowhere to go. And shock. Because I cannot believe we have so many stupid Americans in our country! Don't get me wrong. I will vote, and cast my vote for Romney. But really, is it enough? I don't think so. Fellow FReepers..is all lost, as I think it is?
DARVO is in full force in the responses:
There isn’t a chance in heck that Zero will win.
Despair is a sin. Trust in God.
Dont have time for people that watch left-wing news outlets and then come to FR to emote and look for therapy. If you are for real, get a grip and act like an actual conservative.
You are under massive psychological attack from government media trying to depress you enough to give up hope. Apparently, they’ve succeeded.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:27:11am |
re: #435 Shiplord Kirel
Wow....just wow.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:27:40am |
re: #431 Mich-again
OK that makes sense.. Can you tell I only read the excerpt. But if Ahmadinejad was on the other side of the planet why did the agents wait until he was making the speech at the UN? Were they afraid their little buddy might go off on the Mullahs in his speech?
I think the timing of the arrest was so that Ahmedinejad was occupied and couldn't start making calls trying to save his buddy. Internal Iranian politics is complicated. He also dedicated a signifacant portion of his speech to the 12th Imam prophecies which the mullahs back home frown on. they regard it as a bit of a cult as I recall. I think it was a not so subtle dig at the mullahs back home.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:28:50am |
re: #435 Shiplord Kirel
Freeper in despair over poll results:
Last Night I CriedDARVO is in full force in the responses:
I see some have moved on from Anger and Bargaining straight to Depression.
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Someone Please Beam Me Up! Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:31:36am |
re: #430 Sheila Brovlofski
Yes, Canucks have $1 and $2 coins! You would think their pockets would all sag to their ankles because of all the heavy weight of the coins they have to carry around, but the clever Canadians eliminated the penny, and they also changed the composition of the loonies and the twonies ($2 coin) to be lighter to carry around, I guess they are partly made of plastic.
I was in Canada for a while last summer, and got first-hand acquaintance with their $1 and $2 coins. I'm a convert. If the US would kindly make one that doesn't weigh a ton and can be distinguished from a quarter, I'm for it.
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Someone Please Beam Me Up! Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:32:25am |
re: #435 Shiplord Kirel
By "zero," they mean Obama? I can think of another candidate who, in my opinion, fits the description better.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:35:35am |
re: #439 Someone Please Beam Me Up!
I was in Canada for a while last summer
Why,,, lose a bet!?!?!
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I'M KIDDING,,I love Canada
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:37:01am |
Whoever came up with the idea that Romney's "47%" comments should be the basis of an ad composed of just the audio along with pictures of the real 47%? Yeah, the Obama campaign owes you a check.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:37:18am |
Elgin man charged after 60 dead cats found in van
Read more: [Link: www.myfoxchicago.com...]
I guess the legal limit in Chicago is 59!!
/
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:40:07am |
re: #424 Mich-again
Yeah I agree with that. Pretty lame. But it didn't help to use the word harvest unless he intended to use the analogy of organ donation to describe how Bain divvied up companies.
It's too bad. Mother Jones is a highly partisan source but they do occasionally have some worthwhile op-eds. I will often click over to see their perspective but they've driven this Bain/tax/Secret video crap into the ground. People will eventually just start ignoring it.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:40:28am |
re: #436 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Wow....just wow.
I was especially struck by this line:
That most of us who work for a living are struggling from paycheck to paycheck while the lazy people live off of our hard work?
It is absolutely a keystone of the rwnj narrative that the idle poor, rather than the idle rich, are responsible for the economic woes of working and middle class families. I really can't gloat over this poor delusional woman. She says she has 3 kids and I sympathize with her situation. She just has no understanding beyond what the right-wing media tell her, and she is reduced to confusion and despair as a result.
It is also interesting how often God is invoked in the responses, "trust in God," etc. Cynical charlatans in the GOP will rely on this more and more as they run out of even glib excuses.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:42:11am |
re: #445 Shiplord Kirel
I was especially struck by this line:
It is absolutely a keystone of the rwnj narrative that the idle poor, rather than the idle rich, are responsible for the economic woes of working and middle class families. I really can't gloat over this poor delusional woman. She says she has 3 kids and I sympathize with her situation. She just has no understanding beyond what the right-wing media tell her, and she is reduced to confusion and despair as a result.
Somebody ought to send her a link to Unskewed Polls. That ought to perk her up, at least until Election Day brings her crashing back down to reality.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:42:33am |
re: #442 Targetpractice
Whoever came up with the idea that Romney's "47%" comments should be the basis of an ad composed of just the audio along with pictures of the real 47%? Yeah, the Obama campaign owes you a check.
New Obama Ad Simply Replays Romney’s ‘47 Percent’ Comments
[Embedded content]
Columbia Journalism Review: Jumping the gun on the Romney ‘47%’ video
In early coverage, reporters overstated the meaning and impact of Romney’s comments—and left out out key context
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Mich-again Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:42:36am |
re: #444 Killgore Trout
I will often click over to see their perspective but they've driven this Bain/tax/Secret video crap into the ground. People will eventually just start ignoring it.
Chefs and musicians know the trick is to leaving them wanting more not less.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:42:58am |
re: #434 Targetpractice
I say let him go for it. If only Clinton would come up to the stage afterward and say that if Bibi wants to go to war, he'll be doing it alone.
I know he wants to sit down and talk with Obama about it and it is possible since Obama has nothing scheduled after 2:00 today but for some reason Obama doesn't want to speak with him face to face. I think he's getting a phone call later today instead.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:43:01am |
re: #409 Killgore Trout
Could simply have run afoul of trying to put up shop signs in Farsi in Quebec province. Then again, you could have the same troubles trying to put up similar signs in English or any other language other than French.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:44:31am |
re: #447 Killgore Trout
Columbia Journalism Review: Jumping the gun on the Romney ‘47%’ video
What "key context"? I said it at the time, saying that the words are taken "out of context" only works if there's something he could have said before or after that would make them sound better. If there was, he'd be screaming to the moutaintops what they were. Instead, we get the usual mumbling about how he could have put it "more elegantly."
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:44:37am |
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lawhawk Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:45:05am |
Yglesias: BLS revisions carry several implications.
1) A fundamental shift in jobs from public sector to private sector; and
2) Obama can now claim that there are more jobs than when he first took office.
The two combine to form a not insignificant reason that despite all the GOP claims about the failed economy, that people are seeing that it has improved - but not as much as anyone would like.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:45:09am |
re: #449 NJDhockeyfan
I know he wants to sit down and talk with Obama about it and it is possible since Obama has nothing scheduled after 2:00 today but for some reason Obama doesn't want to speak with him face to face. I think he's getting a phone call later today instead.
The horror, that Obama has more important matters on his plate than listening to Bibi continue to bang the war drums.
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Eventual Carrion Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:45:13am |
re: #435 Shiplord Kirel
Freeper in despair over poll results:
Last Night I CriedDARVO is in full force in the responses:
[snip]
Who cares that gas prices have tripled since he took office?
[snip]
And still aren't as high as Bush the Lesser's highest gas price during his reign.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:45:33am |
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recusancy Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:46:50am |
re: #451 Targetpractice
What "key context"? I said it at the time, saying that the words are taken "out of context" only works if there's something he could have said before or after that would make them sound better. If there was, he'd be screaming to the moutaintops what they were. Instead, we get the usual mumbling about how he could have put it "more elegantly."
It's just a concern troll linking to another concern troll.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:47:30am |
re: #455 Eventual Carrion
And still aren't as high as Bush the Lesser's highest gas price during his reign.
They are nowhere close to 3 times as high in any case. I think she is using the David Barton Survey of Economic Statistics.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:47:53am |
re: #457 recusancy
It's just a concern troll linking to another concern troll.
Yeah, I remember plenty of concern trolling going on earlier this year, whining about how "wrong" it was to attack Romney with Bain. You know, the fear they had that it might backfire on Obama?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:47:58am |
re: #453 lawhawk
Yglesias: BLS revisions carry several implications.
1) A fundamental shift in jobs from public sector to private sector; and
2) Obama can now claim that there are more jobs than when he first took office.The two combine to form a not insignificant reason that despite all the GOP claims about the failed economy, that people are seeing that it has improved - but not as much as anyone would like.
Yes, and Obama is failing to give credit to Congress for their laser-like focus on helping the economy recover and aid in job creation over the last three years.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:48:12am |
re: #451 Targetpractice
What "key context"? I said it at the time, saying that the words are taken "out of context" only works if there's something he could have said before or after that would make them sound better. If there was, he'd be screaming to the moutaintops what they were. Instead, we get the usual mumbling about how he could have put it "more elegantly."
You should read the article.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:49:33am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:49:55am |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:51:38am |
re: #462 Gus
Life... 16 freaking tons.
Did you attempt to attack someone with a piece of fresh fruit? And they pulled the lever...
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:52:02am |
re: #465 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Did you attempt to attack someone with a piece of fresh fruit? And they pulled the lever...
Something like that.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:53:11am |
Disco drummer Brad Parker suffers fatal heart attack on stage during concert in Brazil as the 59-year-old's bandmates initially kept playing
Read more: [Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
What really sucked is that they were just about to hit the drum solo of Inna Gadda Da Vida.
/
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:53:47am |
I've tried to be polite in the past, but I have to say this is the most ridiculous of Brendan Nyhan's many ridiculous columns attempting to deny or play down the obvious about Mitt Romney's campaign and to debunk accurate media characterizations of Romney.First of all, despite Nyhan's wishing it were so, the Romney aide's Etch-a-Sketch comment is hardly a distant memory. It's brought up all the time in media reports and columns and posted comments. It's kept alive by Romney's constant revisions of previous positions.
The initial stories about Romney's leaked video that I saw, in the NY Times, NPR, Yahoo News, etc., all mentioned prominently that about 47% of Americans make too little to pay federal income tax. I saw plenty of context in the articles I read.
Nyhan's most ridiculous and astonishing assertion is questioning whether Romney's leaked comments reveal his "true character or beliefs." Who should we believe -- Nyhan, or our own eyes and ears? Romney said what he said in unmistakable terms at an event that he thought was off the record. What he said is perfectly consistently with his trickle-down economic proposal to drastically lower taxes on wealthy people, and most likely to raise them on lower-income people. (BTW, conservative Times columnist David Brooks also bashed Romney for his comments).
Brendan, you think he was just "crafting his message" for that rich audience and it doesn't necessarily represent what he thinks? Read the comments again, pal. Play those comments for a cross-section of American voters and see whether they think those comments represent Romney's real views.
Contrary to what Nyhan advises, journalists should not resist the urge to engage in evidence-based analysis, as they have done with this story. But I would say with this column Brendan Nyhan forfeits the right to tell journalists anything about how to do their job.
Heh.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:54:55am |
re: #461 Killgore Trout
You should read the article.
I have, and it's correctly dubbed as concern trolling. It's a regurgitation of the wingnut excuse we heard in the hours after it was released, that it's just Romney "playing to the crowd" and that it's wrong to think he really believes what he's saying.
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recusancy Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:55:05am |
re: #461 Killgore Trout
You should read the article.
What is he (or you) trying to argue? That article doesn't seem to have a coherent point.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:56:24am |
re: #470 recusancy
What is he (or you) trying to argue? That article doesn't seem to have a coherent point.
Simply put, Romney was just playing to the audience. No need to worry about what he said.
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erik_t Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:57:38am |
re: #471 Varek Raith
Simply put, Romney was just playing to the audience. No need to worry about what he said.
That's supposed to be reassuring? When will I ever know what he actually believes, if he constantly plays to whatever audience is before him?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:57:43am |
Protesters, Thai Police Scuffle During Anti-Islam Film Protest
Islamic demonstrators clashed with police outside the U.S. Embassy in Bangkok, Thursday, during a rally against the video of a film made in the United States that disrespects the Prophet Muhammad.
Demonstrators attempting to rush the U.S. embassy were held back by hundreds of police officers. Thursday's demonstration marks the second in as many weeks.
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wrenchwench Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:58:16am |
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blueraven Thu, Sep 27, 2012 9:58:42am |
re: #447 Killgore Trout
Columbia Journalism Review: Jumping the gun on the Romney ‘47%’ video
Bullshit
This context?
In reality, however, people act differently in different contexts. In particular, politicians are likely to present a donor-friendly version of themselves and their views when it is in their strategic interest to do so. It’s useful to know what Romney says in private to donors, but we will never know whether those statements actually reflect his true beliefs. Journalists should resist the temptation to proclaim otherwise.
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jaunte Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:01:01am |
re: #475 blueraven
We will never know whether Romney's public or private statements actually reflect his true beliefs. Good luck!
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:02:30am |
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:02:41am |
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erik_t Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:02:41am |
re: #475 blueraven
Bullshit
This context?
Shorter: All politicians squish the truth a little, so who really cares? Go have some cake.
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:03:55am |
re: #478 Varek Raith
No one said she was.
The article itself is bullshit.
Someone said, "It's a regurgitation of the wingnut excuse we heard in the hours after it was released." OK, that's not calling him a wingnut but that is saying that he's regurgitating wingnut talking points.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:04:24am |
re: #480 erik_t
Shorter: All politicians squish the truth a little, so who really cares? Go have some cake.
Laying the groundwork for a MBF attack. Show a Democrat (preferably Obama) saying slightly different things about the same subject to different groups and then yell "LOok! They do it too!"
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:05:01am |
In any case. He is wrong. :) This 47 percent thing was fucking big.
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blueraven Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:05:38am |
re: #477 Gus
It doesn't matter Gus...this article is bullshit
He is saying either Romney is a heartless rwnj or a pandering politician with no scruples at all.
I dont know which is worse.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:05:45am |
re: #477 Gus
Shhh! You'll disrupt the outrage!
/
Seriously, this is the way it works. Unfortunately when people go off the rails far enough they lose perspective. Fellow liberals and Obama supporters look like wingnuts, serious journalistic critiques that don't uphold the desired narrative are regarded as enemy propaganda. Not much can be done about it, it's just the way it is.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:06:36am |
re: #485 Killgore Trout
Shhh! You'll disrupt the outrage!
/
Seriously, this is the way it works. Unfortunately when people go off the rails far enough they lose perspective. Fellow liberals and Obama supporters look like wingnuts, serious journalistic critiques that don't uphold the desired narrative are regarded as enemy propaganda. Not much can be done about it, it's just the way it is.
Note that nobody accused him of being a wingnut, only of using their talking points.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:06:53am |
re: #485 Killgore Trout
Shhh! You'll disrupt the outrage!
/
Seriously, this is the way it works. Unfortunately when people go off the rails far enough they lose perspective. Fellow liberals and Obama supporters look like wingnuts, serious journalistic critiques that don't uphold the desired narrative are regarded as enemy propaganda. Not much can be done about it, it's just the way it is.
This context? You believe this?
In reality, however, people act differently in different contexts. In particular, politicians are likely to present a donor-friendly version of themselves and their views when it is in their strategic interest to do so. It’s useful to know what Romney says in private to donors, but we will never know whether those statements actually reflect his true beliefs. Journalists should resist the temptation to proclaim otherwise.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:07:10am |
re: #486 Targetpractice
Note that nobody accused him of a wingnut, only of using their talking points.
Yeah, because calling him a concern troll is just ,,well,, peachy!
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:07:13am |
Ugh, this is ugly...
Anti-Semitism at Northeastern University
Americans for Peace and Tolerance (APT) today released a 30 minute video showing how Northeastern Professor Denis Sullivan and other Northeastern faculty abuse academic freedom to promote anti-Israel lies and anti-Semitism as defined by the U.S. State Department.
Sullivan is a tenured professor and director of the Northeastern Middle East Center for Peace, Culture and Development. The video examines Professor Sullivan's lectures, invited guests, reading lists and student trips to the Middle East, all of which seem designed to provide students with a one-sided view of the Arab-Israeli conflict.
"It seems clear that Professor Sullivan has built his department to inculcate students with a hostile and demonized view of the Jewish state, with repeated comparisons to the Nazis, Dr. Charles Jacobs, APT president said. "Indeed, viewers will see that some of the core themes promoted in his courses are plainly anti-Semitic, and are outright lies."
Sullivan allegedly also introduced the students and the university to virulent anti-Semitic Arab officials and religious leaders.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:07:14am |
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recusancy Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:07:27am |
re: #485 Killgore Trout
Shhh! You'll disrupt the outrage!
/
Seriously, this is the way it works. Unfortunately when people go off the rails far enough they lose perspective. Fellow liberals and Obama supporters look like wingnuts, serious journalistic critiques that don't uphold the desired narrative are regarded as enemy propaganda. Not much can be done about it, it's just the way it is.
What is his critique? What context was missing?
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Interesting Times Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:07:49am |
MOAR TROUTRAGE!
Seriously, thank FSM the Obama campaign has enough sense to metaphorically tell concern trolls to go pound sand.
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Mich-again Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:07:59am |
Its more disturbing to me that no one in a roomful of job creators seemed to have any objection to Mitt characterizing half the country as free-loaders.
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AK-47% Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:08:02am |
re: #467 sattv4u2
Disco drummer Brad Parker suffers fatal heart attack on stage during concert in Brazil as the 59-year-old's bandmates initially kept playing
Read more: [Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
What really sucked is that they were just about to hit the drum solo of Inna Gadda Da Vida.
/
Sad but what a way to go, onstage.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:08:05am |
Back to the subject of this string.
The supernaturalist aspect of evangelical Christianity probably doesn't get as much attention as it should, given that these people essentially control one of the two major political parties in this country. The belief that supernatural forces routinely influence the real world is a cornerstone of most fundamentalist Christian doctrines. There are some exceptions, like the Disciples of Christ, but these are a distinct minority.
This kind of cargo cult doctrine is pervasive on the political right and it may be the real source of the alternate world thinking we see in the Republican Party. They literally believe in magic. This has all sorts of implications, what students of logic call "assumption of the consequent." If A is true, what else could be true? If God directly intervenes in our finances, for example, wouldn't it follow that the rich have His special blessing and endorsement? We can see that some of these people are evil and undeserving, but who are we to question the ways of God?
If the Earth is really only 6000 years old, the scientific consensus on this is worthless and proof that a worldwide scientific conspiracy of suppression and deceit is possible. There is therefore no need to take them at their word over vaccines, climate change, or the physiology of conception.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:08:10am |
re: #493 Gus
I have the sudden urge to hide.
covering eyes with hands
counting to ten
ready or not, here I come
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:08:11am |
re: #489 sattv4u2
Yeah, because calling him a concern troll is just ,,well,, peachy!
Is it inaccurate?
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erik_t Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:09:05am |
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AK-47% Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:09:41am |
re: #497 Shiplord Kirel
They just want us to "teach the controversy", right?
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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:09:43am |
re: #499 Targetpractice
Is it inaccurate?
Any of us who give a shit are concern trolls. Some of us just have different concerns.
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recusancy Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:09:54am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:10:02am |
re: #499 Targetpractice
Is it inaccurate?
waytomissthepoint
{sigh}
((THAT one should land me in Bottom-Ville))
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blueraven Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:10:32am |
re: #485 Killgore Trout
Shhh! You'll disrupt the outrage!
/
Seriously, this is the way it works. Unfortunately when people go off the rails far enough they lose perspective. Fellow liberals and Obama supporters look like wingnuts, serious journalistic critiques that don't uphold the desired narrative are regarded as enemy propaganda. Not much can be done about it, it's just the way it is.
Those damn journalist should keep their opinions to their selves. What right do they have to talk about Mitt...leave Mitt alone!
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:10:40am |
re: #504 sattv4u2
waytomissthepoint
{sigh}
((THAT one should land me in Bottom-Ville))
Why would it? My ego's not that easily bruised.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:11:34am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:12:33am |
re: #506 Targetpractice
Why would it? My ego's not that easily bruised.
Wait till you get my age
EVERYTHING is easily bruised then. Hell, my 12 lb dog just leaned against my right thigh and now I have a bruise that looks like Equador
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:13:08am |
re: #506 Targetpractice
Why would it? My ego's not that easily bruised.
Funny how no one can answer these context questions.
;)
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:13:09am |
re: #508 sattv4u2
Wait till you get my age
EVERYTHING is easily bruised then. Hell, my 12 lb dog just leaned against my right thigh and now I have a bruise that looks like Equador
Careful or else Assange will be claiming asylum there.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:13:31am |
re: #508 sattv4u2
Wait till you get my age
EVERYTHING is easily bruised then. Hell, my 12 lb dog just leaned against my right thigh and now I have a bruise that looks like Equador
Aha! I knew it! We's got a spy amongst us!
///
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:15:17am |
re: #486 Targetpractice
Note that nobody accused him of a wingnut, only of using their talking points.
That's an absurd accusation. He's quite savvy on partisan talking points and literally wrote the book on how politicians and activists manipulate the press and public opinion.
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A Mom Anon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:15:52am |
re: #435 Shiplord Kirel
I am surrounded by people like this woman. I find it so sad,they really have become so frightened they find something awful under every leaf and sofa cushion. What I find sadder still is that none of the people I know who are like this are doing worse at ALL in the last 4 yrs. They live in nice homes in a really nice neighborhood,they're driving new cars,going on vacations,few if any of them have gone through job losses(my family has,we've adjusted,to a 50 percent decrease in our income since 2008,we're making it,but our retirement dreams are GONE),they've got health insurance,etc. So I find it really creepy that what they read and see on tv/radio/internet has had that profound of an effect on them.
I truly don't get it. Their lives are ok,the evidence it right there in front of them,and yet they're so angry and scared.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:16:07am |
And speaking of Equador, their most (in)famous asylum seeker speaks
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Assange mocks Obama via video at U.N. event
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:16:30am |
So we're back to not knowing what the hell Romney believes and we should never ask him because shut up.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:18:12am |
re: #514 sattv4u2
And speaking of Equador, their most (in)famous asylum seeker speaks
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
Assange mocks Obama via video at U.N. event
Britain's William Hague meets Ecuador's top diplomat in the U.S. to discuss Julian Assange reut.rs/QrjpX1— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) September 27, 2012
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:18:15am |
re: #512 Killgore Trout
That's an absurd accusation. He's quite savvy on partisan talking points and literally wrote the book on how politicians and activists manipulate the press and public opinion.
And yet, here he is, engaging in intellectual dishonesty by suggesting that "Etch-A-Sketch" is old news (it isn't), that nobody gave context for who the 47% were in Romney's speech (they did), and most puzzlingly of all, that the media is accusing romney of believing what he said instead of assuming he was just playing to the crowd.
And the overarching theme is that the media was somehow wrong to run with Romney's comments as is, rather than trying to parse them down and argue them "in context."
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:18:18am |
re: #515 Varek Raith
So we're back to not knowing what the hell Romney believes and we should never ask him because shut up.
Or worry that he thought saying that 47% of the country's citizens were freeloaders was a proper pander to make to a bunch of rich donors.
//
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erik_t Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:18:23am |
re: #515 Varek Raith
So we're back to not knowing what the hell Romney believes and we should never ask him because shut up.
We should ask him, we just shouldn't expect his answers to reflect what he actually believes. Because everyone speaks to their audience and shut up.
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blueraven Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:19:09am |
re: #512 Killgore Trout
That's an absurd accusation. He's quite savvy on partisan talking points and literally wrote the book on how politicians and activists manipulate the press and public opinion.
Bullshit again. This is about how George Bush manipulated the press
unmasks the tactics of deception and media manipulation that George W. Bush has used to sell his agenda to the American people.
From his campaigns for tax cuts to the debate over war in Iraq, President Bush has employed an unprecedented onslaught of half-truths and strategically ambiguous language to twist and distort the facts. Fritz, Keefer, and Nyhan's powerful critique of Bush's record of policy deception explains why the media has failed to hold him accountable and demonstrates the threat these tactics pose to honest political debate.
This is the essential book for every citizen who wants to understand how George W. Bush has misled the nation and why, if left unchallenged, all the President's spin could soon become standard practice -- a devastating development for our democracy.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:19:13am |
re: #521 erik_t
We should ask him, we just shouldn't expect his answers to reflect what he actually believes. Because everyone speaks to their audience and shut up.
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erik_t Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:20:01am |
re: #519 Targetpractice
And the overarching theme is that the media was somehow wrong to run with Romney's comments as is, rather than trying to parse them down and argue them "in context."
The media can feel free to discuss these comments "in context" as soon as Romney can provide any that actually makes him sound any better. He's had a week or two... where is it?
You can't just handwave and say "there's context that makes this better" if nobody can even imagine what context would make it sound any better.
No, "it was a 45min joke and Romney told us that juuuuuust after the tape ran out" does not count.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:20:40am |
I miss the KT that would actually debate.
:(
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:20:58am |
Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas tells UN Israel is "promising Palestinian people a new catastrophe" LIVE bbc.in/PIwDww— BBC Breaking News (@BBCBreaking) September 27, 2012
More whining and seething by Abbas. Nothing new here.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:21:28am |
re: #524 erik_t
The media can feel free to discuss these comments "in context" as soon as Romney can provide any that actually makes him sound any better. He's had a week or two... where is it?
You can't just handwave and say "there's context that makes this better" if nobody can even imagine what context would make it sound any better.
No, "it was a 45min joke and Romney told us that juuuuuust after the tape ran out" does not count.
Mitt will provide all proper context and details once he is elected.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:21:37am |
re: #522 blueraven
Bullshit again. This is about how George Bush manipulated the press
Yes, the book was written in the Bush years but if you read the book you know there's a long history of these techniques. Bush did not invent them his administration did use them very effectively and adapted to modern media. The book explains the origins and evolution of various techniques of manipulation. You should read it.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:21:41am |
re: #524 erik_t
The media can feel free to discuss these comments "in context" as soon as Romney can provide any that actually makes him sound any better. He's had a week or two... where is it?
You can't just handwave and say "there's context that makes this better" if nobody can even imagine what context would make it sound any better.
No, "it was a 45min joke and Romney told us that juuuuuust after the tape ran out" does not count.
Apparently "in context" means the media was supposed to run every story with a big asterisk beside saying "Romney may not believe this" and admitting that Romney was right that 47% don't pay income taxes, but do pay payroll, as if that makes them sound better.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:22:51am |
re: #522 blueraven
Bullshit again. This is about how George Bush manipulated the press
Which is also further evidence he's not repeating wingnut talking points. He knows what he's talking about.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:23:02am |
re: #435 Shiplord Kirel
Freeper in despair over poll results:
Last Night I CriedDARVO is in full force in the responses:
Wow, that is just...sad. :(
Who cares that gas prices have tripled since he took office?
Uhh, no they have not, we had $4.00 dollar gas during the Bush administration, and I do not see anyone currently selling gas for $12.00.
That food prices have skyrocketed?
Rising corn and grain prices due to drought and the subsidized use of corn to make ethanol are primarily responsible. Neither of which by the way Obama had anything to do with and which the stated GOP policies would make even worse.
That most of us who work for a living are struggling from paycheck to paycheck while the lazy people live off of our hard work?
I'm sorry but that simply is not true, it really isn't. Please turn off Fox news, take a break from Free Republic, and do a little research on your own instead of just accepting what people tell you. You might still end up depressed about the future of this country, but at least you would have a better idea of who is really to blame for your concerns.
{{{Hugs}}}
ausador
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wrenchwench Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:23:39am |
re: #513 A Mom Anon
I truly don't get it. Their lives are ok,the evidence it right there in front of them,and yet they're so angry and scared.
They've been told that if Obama is elected, he will become a socialist totalitarian dictator. They can't complain about how their own life has been so far, so they worry "for the children". As if without Obama, they would have total security about the future, something nobody has ever had.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:23:53am |
re: #451 Targetpractice
What "key context"? I said it at the time, saying that the words are taken "out of context" only works if there's something he could have said before or after that would make them sound better. If there was, he'd be screaming to the moutaintops what they were. Instead, we get the usual mumbling about how he could have put it "more elegantly."
Now, now, it confirms what KT believes so you know that means it the Truth straight from God. Only way it could be more truthy is if it were from a fact checker...
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:25:31am |
re: #533 William Barnett-Lewis
Now, now, it confirms what KT believes so you know that means it the Truth straight from God. Only way it could be more truthy is if it were from a fact checker...
That's just it, even the fact checkers gave Romney shit for that comment. But no, we were wrong for playing it on TV without first getting Romney's word that it's what he really believes instead of him just playing to the donors.
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Interesting Times Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:26:29am |
RT @elsayedayman: @pawnmower @drhusseinabd Please refrain from any anti-semitic talk,we are speaking out against hate including against Jews— Mona Eltahawy (@monaeltahawy) September 27, 2012
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:27:05am |
Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas accuses Israel of "ethnic cleansing" in east Jerusalem: apne.ws/QrnAC5 -SC— The Associated Press (@AP) September 27, 2012
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blueraven Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:27:13am |
re: #528 Killgore Trout
Yes, the book was written in the Bush years but if you read the book you know there's a long history of these techniques. Bush did not invent them his administration did use them very effectively and adapted to modern media. The book explains the origins and evolution of various techniques of manipulation. You should read it.
Maybe you should read it
George W. Bush's dishonesty is different. Rather than simply lying, he has subtly and systematically attempted to deceive the nation about most of his major policy proposals. On issues ranging from tax cuts to stem cells to the debate over the war in Iraq, he has consistently twisted the truth beyond recognition in order to promote his policies.
Remarkably, he has done so while generally avoiding obviously false statements. Instead, Bush consistently uses well-designed phrases and strategically crafted arguments to distract, deceive, and mislead. The result is that all but the most careful listeners end up believing something completely untrue, while proving the President has lied is usually impossible.
Unlike famous White House dissemblers of the past, Bush almost never explicitly claims that black is white or day is night. Instead, he deceives the public with partial truths and misleading assertions. So rather than saying day is night, George W. Bush will focus on an instance of a solar eclipse or remind Americans that people who work graveyard shifts are asleep. Both might be true, but without the proper context, they're highly misleading. Because Bush's statements are so often constructed in this way, he has walked away from one deceptive claim after another scot-free.
These tactics originate in public relations, a field that has become extremely skilled at promoting a message regardless of its factual accuracy. Previous presidents have also drawn on PR, of course, but Bush has gone far beyond his predecessors, systematically employing these dishonest strategies in nearly every major policy debate. At this point, the difference between corporate marketing and White House communications has largely disappeared.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:29:23am |
Hmm...
Portal and Portal 2, worth getting?
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Mich-again Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:29:54am |
That Romney was allegedly just catering his message for the rich donors when he spoke of the 47% makes him out to be even more despicable than if he really felt that way about the people who don't pay Federal income taxes.
Its not much of defense if any to say he doesn't really mean what he says.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:30:18am |
re: #538 Varek Raith
Hmm...
Portal and Portal 2, worth getting?
Most definitely. There's cake at the end.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:30:42am |
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Mich-again Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:31:51am |
I missed something. what does GWB have to do with any of the Mittsteps in Romney's campaign.
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Kragar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:32:10am |
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Mocking Jay Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:32:16am |
re: #538 Varek Raith
Hmm...
Portal and Portal 2, worth getting?
If you have to ask then you deserve to be lied to about cake.
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erik_t Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:32:43am |
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:32:50am |
re: #525 Varek Raith
I miss the KT that would actually debate.
:(
Maybe there'd be a better chance of that if he wasn't being called a "concern troll" with "Troutrage"
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:32:53am |
re: #543 Kragar
Horowitz: Obama 'Would Never Be President if He Weren't Black'
Not the first time I've heard that shit.
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Mich-again Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:33:18am |
re: #543 Kragar
Horowitz: Obama 'Would Never Be President if He Weren't Black'
Like anyone could know that.
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Mocking Jay Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:33:22am |
re: #546 sattv4u2
Maybe there'd be a better chance of that if he wasn't being called a "concern troll" with "Troutrage"
Swingandamiss!
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blueraven Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:33:42am |
re: #542 Mich-again
I missed something. what does GWB have to do with any of the Mittsteps in Romney's campaign.
Squirrel!
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:33:46am |
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erik_t Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:34:14am |
re: #546 sattv4u2
Maybe there'd be a better chance of that if he wasn't being called a "concern troll" with "Troutrage"
Causality, how when the fuck does it work?
(EIMF'd)
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Mocking Jay Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:34:41am |
re: #551 sattv4u2
From the guy that threw the 1st "Troutrage"
Yeah, I'm going to take criticism from you about mocking others viewpoints really fucking seriously.
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jaunte Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:35:05am |
re: #543 Kragar
"People have to stop thinking of them as liberals. Conservatives are liberal people, we believe in two sides to a question, we don’t shut people up, when we have channels on television there is more than one viewpoint, we don’t set out to destroy the character of people."
The comedy stylings of David Horowitz.
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lawhawk Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:35:15am |
re: #531 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
Gas prices bottomed out around $1.61 in 4Q2008. They were under $1.86 when President Obama was sworn in.
The current national average is far less than 3x the price when he took office. It's more than doubled though, but the prices aren't out of line from the spikes seen during President Bush's second term.
But as has been pointed out numerous times by people far smarter than me - Presidents have little to no effect on gas prices. And the price at the outset of his term was due to the collapsing world economy and the resulting decline in demand. Now, with an economy that has warmed back up, demand has increased and supplies are tight. Producers are able to get more per gallon than during slack demand. Basic economics. Higher gas prices are the result of a rebounding world economy.
A new recession would likely result in a drop in gas prices that may help ease the pain at the pump, but it would signal that the economy is suffering in other ways - both domestically and abroad.
Note too that if China's appetite for gas increases even the slightest bit, it would have a tremendous effect on gas prices (which is what helped spark the runup during Bush's second term. It's why carmakers are rushing to the Chinese market to gain market share, and why the Chinese market is a significant player in global fuel prices.
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:35:27am |
re: #553 Mocking Jay
Yeah, I'm going to take criticism from you about mocking others viewpoints really fucking seriously.
And I've "mock"ed veiwpoints ,,, where??
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blueraven Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:37:56am |
re: #555 lawhawk
Gas prices bottomed out around $1.61 in 4Q2008. They were under $1.86 when President Obama was sworn in.
The current national average is far less than 3x the price when he took office. It's more than doubled though, but the prices aren't out of line from the spikes seen during President Bush's second term.
But as has been pointed out numerous times by people far smarter than me - Presidents have little to no effect on gas prices. And the price at the outset of his term was due to the collapsing world economy and the resulting decline in demand. Now, with an economy that has warmed back up, demand has increased and supplies are tight. Producers are able to get more per gallon than during slack demand. Basic economics. Higher gas prices are the result of a rebounding world economy.
A new recession would likely result in a drop in gas prices that may help ease the pain at the pump, but it would signal that the economy is suffering in other ways - both domestically and abroad.
Note too that if China's appetite for gas increases even the slightest bit, it would have a tremendous effect on gas prices (which is what helped spark the runup during Bush's second term. It's why carmakers are rushing to the Chinese market to gain market share, and why the Chinese market is a significant player in global fuel prices.
Now that is context!
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Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:38:41am |
re: #461 Killgore Trout
You should read the article.
Excuse me, but it's actually painfully ironic for you to tell someone else to "read an article," after numerous posts from you bragging that you just ignore any articles from sources you don't like.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:39:08am |
re: #546 sattv4u2
Maybe there'd be a better chance of that if he wasn't being called a "concern troll" with "Troutrage"
He seems quite capable of dishing it out. I'm sure he can take it.
;)
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:39:20am |
Ah well
20 + hours of being awake. I think I'll try some sleep before I get to do that all over again in several hours
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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:39:46am |
re: #559 Varek Raith
He seems quite capable of dishing it out. I'm sure he can take it.
;)
Really? Who does he name call?
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lawhawk Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:40:06am |
re: #536 NJDhockeyfan
That's why the Arab/Muslim population of East Jerusalem keeps growing. The Jewish population of East Jerusalem is growing faster.
See [Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...] for data from last year:
The data show that in 2011 Jerusalem's population was estimated at 801,000, of which 64 percent were Jews and other non-Arabs and 36 percent were Arabs.
There were 497,000 Jews in Jerusalem in 2011, 281,000 Muslims, 14,000 Christians and 9,000 with no stated religious affiliation. In total, since 1967 and until the end of 2011 the city's population grew by 200 percent: the Jewish population increased by 157 percent and the Arab population increased by 327 percent.
The data also show that in 2010, 474,000 people (Jews and Arabs) lived that in areas that were added to Jerusalem in 1967. These 474,000 inhabitants represent 60 percent of the population of Jerusalem.
192,000 Jews and other non-Arabs lived in neighborhoods of areas added to Jerusalem in 1967, accounting for 41 percent of the population in those areas. 280,900 Arabs, which constituted 59 percent of the population, lived in these neighborhoods.
The largest Jewish neighborhoods in Jerusalem, according to the statistics, are Ramot with 41,400 residents, Pisgat Ze’ev with 40,400 residents and Gilo with 29,600 residents.
As for employment in 2011, the statistics show that the employment rate in Jerusalem stood at 46 percent, compared to 57 percent in all of Israel. The relatively low rate in Jerusalem is mainly due to the low participation in the work force among hareidi men and Arab women, as well as the relatively high rate of people aged 15 to 20 in Jerusalem who study in schools and yeshivas or serve in the army, and therefore are not working and are not looking for work.
Only in Palestinian double-speak can ethnic cleansing result in an increased population. But it's another way in which Palestinian propagandists coopt language to their own ends - debasing the very meaning of those words and terms.
That said, it is also true that Israeli policy on Jerusalem construction and growth is limiting where and how Arab neighborhoods can expand, while there are preferential policies for Jewish neighborhoods.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:40:23am |
re: #561 sattv4u2
Really? Who does he name call?
Did you miss the whole OWS thing?
You know, where he said supporters of OWS also support stabbings and rapes?
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recusancy Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:41:55am |
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Mich-again Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:42:36am |
re: #555 lawhawk
Gas prices are like a speed governor on the economy. When the economy slows and demand falls, gas prices drop and that helps spur new growth. When the economy warms up, demand for gas increases along with the price, and that slows new growth. Growth can never be sustainable when it is dependent on limited resources.
The only way economic growth can be sustainable is to base it on conserving limited resources as in finding ways to waste less of it.
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:43:05am |
Abbas finished of course. Meanwhile back on planet Earth...
Barcelona FC confirms Shalit invite despite pro-Palestinian protests
Former Hamas captive will attend October match against Real Madrid as club’s guest
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Kragar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:43:37am |
Fischer: Thanks to DADT Repeal, We Can 'Expect to See More Instances of Pedophilia' in the Military
On yesterday's edition of "Focal Point," Bryan Fischer cited the arrest of a protocol officer at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, Florida for allegedly trying to entice a 17-year-old boy into sexual activity to declare that, thanks to to the repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell, we can "expect to see more instances of pedophilia now in the United States military."
Since, Fischer falsely claimed, gays have a "proclivity for the abuse of children," now that they are "allowed to openly serve and can't be disciplined in any way for what they do," we can now expect more reports of pedophilia in the military "because they've got a protected place to serve there":
The officer Fischer is bitching about is a 49 year old Lt Col. DADT was repealed a year ago. Connection fail.
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lawhawk Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:44:20am |
re: #563 Varek Raith
I'll admit it. I miss OWS, particularly because it was newsworthy coverage essentially outside my window. I could report on it first-hand, and without the media filters (whether OWS or big media outlets, let alone the Breitbarting of OWS). Without the OWS in Zuccotti Park, things are a little quieter in these parts... /sniffle
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:44:56am |
re: #567 Kragar
Fischer: Thanks to DADT Repeal, We Can 'Expect to See More Instances of Pedophilia' in the Military
The officer Fischer is bitching about is a 49 year old Lt Col. DADT was repealed a year ago. Connection fail.
You mean a 48 year old can't enter the army and attain the rank of Lt Colonel in a year?!?!
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Eventual Carrion Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:45:17am |
re: #554 jaunte
The comedy stylings of David Horowitz.
Shit, can anyone point to a sentence in that statement that isn't a flat out lie.
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Mich-again Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:45:22am |
re: #567 Kragar
The officer Fischer is bitching about is a 49 year old Lt Col. DADT was repealed a year ago. Connection fail.
No doubt. He is a nothing but a ball of hate.
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blueraven Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:45:26am |
re: #561 sattv4u2
Really? Who does he name call?
How about most of the people on this blog. Fucking Moonbats...ring a bell?
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Kragar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:45:43am |
re: #570 Varek Raith
You mean a 48 year old can't enter the army and attain the rank of Lt Colonel in a year?!?!
Well, I could, but then again, I'm awesome.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:46:24am |
re: #574 Kragar
Well, I could, but then again, I'm awesome.
If I enter now, can I be a general in two years?
Kthx.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:47:20am |
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:48:31am |
re: #575 Varek Raith
If I enter now, can I be a general in two years?
Kthx.
Why not enlist in Starfleet? You can be a starship captain in three.
//
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A Mom Anon Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:48:56am |
re: #574 Kragar
So,not only does Bryan Fischer spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about gay sex(again,more than any gay person I'm sure),he also seems to be rather,um,fixated on pedophilia too. God, there's got to be something horribly rancid in his closet.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:49:53am |
re: #577 Targetpractice
Why not enlist in Starfleet? You can be a starship captain in three.
//
Federation starships are far too prone to warpcore breaches, holodeck...problems and the like.
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Mich-again Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:51:29am |
re: #567 Kragar
Since _____ have a "proclivity for the abuse of children," now that they are "allowed to openly serve and can't be disciplined in any way for what they do," we can now expect more reports of pedophilia in the _______ "because they've got a protected place to serve there":
If people were asked to fill in the blanks, I bet most would guess the quote was originally about church leaders or Penn State football coaches.
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Targetpractice Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:52:21am |
re: #579 Varek Raith
Federation starships are far too prone to warpcore breaches, holodeck...problems and the like.
Hey now, the Defiant made it through 3 whole seasons without any of that.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:53:02am |
I know this is OT- but does anyone know about any on line scam involving indentured servants?
My ex husband is involved in one I think, and now he is saying that the young lady is coming here from the Philippines.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:54:56am |
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Gus Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:55:36am |
re: #583 Killgore Trout
How's he doing? I just tuned in.
Doing pretty good so far. Mentioned secular people. The enlightenment. He's living in the 21st century.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:57:06am |
I saw a discussion about scams upthread and thought I'd check. Apparently she is married, and he stated there was no way to get a divorce for her, so she is planning on just leaving her husband and 3 kids to come to Wisconsin seems legit. . .not.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:58:47am |
The kids that are still speaking to him visit, I don't know what kind of mess he is in, but the crash and burn that was our divorce makes me wonder just what the heck will happen next.
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Kragar Thu, Sep 27, 2012 10:59:18am |
Fox & Friends: The Polls Are Rigged!
Parroting the latest Republican meme that national polls oversample Democrats, host Steve Doocy threw in to the mix the possibility that pollsters are using voter turnout from 2008 to guide who they should be asking. And why would the “left-based mainstream media” do this? Doocy had an answer.
“Well, two reasons,” he said. “One, perhaps, to keep Mitt Romney’s donors from coughing up more cash. And two, to keep people from doing early voting.”
Co-host Gretchen Carlson had another theory: “I do think there’s a subliminal message in these daily polling things, which isn’t always great for the voter.”
One problem with the theories: FOX’s own polling also shows Obama surging in swing states. A survey released by the network just last week showed the president leading Romney by no fewer than five points in Ohio, Virginia and Florida.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Thu, Sep 27, 2012 11:00:56am |
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Thu, Sep 27, 2012 11:01:57am |
re: #567 Kragar
Fischer: Thanks to DADT Repeal, We Can 'Expect to See More Instances of Pedophilia' in the Military
The officer Fischer is bitching about is a 49 year old Lt Col. DADT was repealed a year ago. Connection fail.
Uhh...a 49 year old propositioning a 17 year old is NOT pedophilia! (it isn't even Hebephilia)
Creepy and inappropriate? Sure. But pedophilia it aint.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Sep 27, 2012 11:03:01am |
re: #590 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
Beat me to it
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BeenHereAwhile Thu, Sep 27, 2012 1:05:34pm |
re: #110 Mich-again
Yeah, no doubt. There is an NFL bylaw that says the TV announcers have to talk about Ed Hochuli's biceps and what great shape he is in for an old dude that can't see shit. ha
NFL game officials are graded by the NFL after each game.
If there is a call made during a game which calls for further review; after the end of the game, a request is made for video of that call to be sent to the NFL League office. If a game official gets too many calls wrong they are demoted, say Referee to Back Judge, or even dismissed as a NFL game official.
The fan who "clearly sees that the game official made a bad call" forgets that they are viewing the action from above in the stands or on their TV; augmented by various angles of re-play.
If said fan ever stood on the sidelines and watched 5'10" to 6' tall game officials monitor the play of 22 players in *real* time, running around, most of which are 6'4" or taller, wearing bulky football equipment and weighing in excess of 240 lbs; they might gain better appreciation for how difficult being an NFL game official is.
Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ...
Cheechako
Alone in a Bathroom: The Fear and Uncertainty of a Post-Roe Medication Abortion Angel tucked two white pills into each side of her mouth, bracing herself as they began to dissolve. Her deepest fears and anxieties took over. Angel had wanted to talk to a doctor before she took the pills to ... Cheechako
They Were Desperate to Get Pregnant. Then IVF Gave Them Extra Embryos. One morning last spring, Ashley Harrolle put her 1-year-old daughter down for a nap and went to the kitchen. She pulled up her fertility clinic’s contact information. It was time to make the call. In a freezer several hundred ... CheechakoJoe Bacon ✅
March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
William Lewis
Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
Rightwingconspirator
Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... CheechakoKGxvi
The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
