About That "Taxpayers Spent $1.4 Billion on Obama Family Last Year" Fake Outrage

About That “Taxpayers Spent $1.4 Billion on Obama Family Last Year” Fake Outrage

Gus

WingnutsSeptember 2012 • Views: 76,838

Today’s wingnut outrageous outrage began at Tucker Carlson’s Daily Caller, in an article by Alex Pappas titled:

“Taxpayers spent $1.4 billion on Obama family last year, perks questioned in new book.”

Taxpayers spent $1.4 billion dollars on everything from staffing, housing, flying and entertaining President Obama and his family last year, according to the author of a new book on taxpayer-funded presidential perks.

In comparison, British taxpayers spent just $57.8 million on the royal family.

Author Robert Keith Gray writes in ‘Presidential Perks Gone Royal’ that Obama isn’t the only president to have taken advantage of the expensive trappings of his office. But the amount of money spent on the first family, he argues, has risen tremendously under the Obama administration and needs to be reined in.

Gray told The Daily Caller that the $1.4 billion spent on the Obama family last year is the ‘total cost of the presidency,’ factoring the cost of the ‘biggest staff in history at the highest wages ever,’ a 50 percent increase in the numbers of appointed czars and an Air Force One ‘running with the frequency of a scheduled air line.’

This flagrant display of Obama Derangement Syndrome, of course, led to a flurry of activity on Twitter which was brought to my attention by LGF member Alouette. It begins with Donald Trump:

Brits spent $57.8M on the royal family. Obamas cost us $1.4B in expenses—including entertainment thedc.com/P9pDX2 Living large on us.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 28, 2012

Others tweeted, such as the bumbling Steve Forbes:

How’s this for the 1%? Taxpayers spent $1.4B on Prez last year -even on his re-election efforts.See @alexpappasdc thedc.com/OWfQt3

— Steve Forbes (@SteveForbesCEO) September 27, 2012

But there’s one slight problem with this outrageous outrage. The total cost for the White House under Republican president George W. Bush in the year 2008 came to a grand total of $1,592,875,254, or $1.6 billion dollars. Using this number we find that the Obama White House spent $0.2 billion less, or a net savings of $200 million dollars. (These figures don’t include classified expenses.)

The Bush figures are from “To Serve the President” by Bradley H. Patterson.

Summary:

Total Cost of the Whole White House for Fiscal Year 2008 (Bradley H. Patterson)

• Bush White House 2008: $1,592,875,254
• Obama White House 2011: $1,400,000,000
• Net Savings Under Obama: $192,875,254

Nothing to see here.

Update:

I came across the website for the book that’s led to this recent outburst of wingnut fauxtrage: White House Expenses/ It contained a small image that I decided to Photoshop to reflect my findings.

Obama - The 1.4 Billion Dollar Man

Bush - The 1.6 Billion Dollar Man

Never a dull moment on bullshit mountain.

Update 2:

Adjusted for inflation Bush’s $1,592,875,254 price tag comes to $1,704,411,959 in 2012 dollars.

Update 3:

John F. Groom

The author of “The 1.4 Billion Dollar Man: Costs of the Obama White House” is a John F. Groom who seems to have authored numerous self-help books. I was able to find several cartoons in his “private” yet publicly available web page of his professional website. Some examples:

“Reparations”

“Obama in Armor”

“Obama Token”

I believe the racial factor here with John F. Groom is rather self-evident.

You can find John F. Groom on Twitter at @attitude_media or @CostsOfObama. His other website includes Groom Ventures.

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189 comments

jaunte Fri, Sep 28, 2012 12:23:02pm

They tried this before with the "Obama's Bazillion dollar India trip with the whole navy" story.

lawhawk Fri, Sep 28, 2012 12:27:44pm

I think you've got a typo or a dropped word in the following sentence which I've added:

Using this number we find that the Obama White House spent $0.2 billion less or a net savings of $200 million dollars.

Otherwise, great piece. Most people don't understand the costs associated with operating the WH, whether it's the portion devoted to the actual family living there, the daily office operations, security, transportation, or other expenses.

The security costs have increased significantly since 9/11, and that would reflect in both the Bush 43 and Obama WH figures.

But as you note, the costs aren't exactly out of line with prior spending on WH under President Bush (final year in office). In fact, it's about $200 million less than Bush.

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 12:32:34pm

re: #2 lawhawk

I think you've got a typo or a dropped word in the following sentence which I've added:

Otherwise, great piece. Most people don't understand the costs associated with operating the WH, whether it's the portion devoted to the actual family living there, the daily office operations, security, transportation, or other expenses.

The security costs have increased significantly since 9/11, and that would reflect in both the Bush 43 and Obama WH figures.

But as you note, the costs aren't exactly out of line with prior spending on WH under President Bush (final year in office). In fact, it's about $200 million less than Bush.

Thanks. Fixed. Yes, the Obama administration budget sounds well within range and likely less than Bush's using these figures.

Bulworth Fri, Sep 28, 2012 12:39:43pm

Brits spent $57.8M on the royal family. Obamas cost us $1.4B in expenses—including entertainment thedc.com/P9pDX2 Living large on us.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 28, 2012

OMB--Game. Change.

////

Bulworth Fri, Sep 28, 2012 12:40:37pm

There’s only one slight problem with this outrageous outrage. The total cost for the White House under Republican president, George W. Bush, in the year 2008 came to a grand total of $1,592,875,254 or $1.6 billion dollars. Using this number we find that the Obama White House spent $0.2 billion less or a net savings of $200 million dollars.

Shux, another perfectly reasonable RWNJ meme down the drain. /

lawhawk Fri, Sep 28, 2012 12:53:48pm

This seems to confirm the costs under the Executive Residence and Residence Repair lines (lines 2/3 in the 2008 figure) - for 2000, the figures were $9.2 million and $820k respectively.

Further, figures can be divined from federal legislation enacted. For the 2000 figures, see here.

One can go back through the Congressional record and see legislation setting the budgets for the various items. These figures aren't out of line with current spending.

lawhawk Fri, Sep 28, 2012 1:02:09pm

For instance, here are similar figures from the 103rd Congress. HR 2403.

For the care, maintenance, repair and alteration, refurnishing, improvement, heating and lighting, including electric power and fixtures, of the Executive Residence at the White House and official entertainment expenses of the President; $7,925,000, to be expended and accounted for as provided by 3 U.S.C. 105, 109-110, 112-114.

You'd have to go through the appropriations for each year to pull all the relevant figures. With time, it could be done - but what's lost on Trump and all the other idiots repeating this stuff ad nauseum is that Congress approves the appropriations. The White House can't unilaterally decide what it can spend in any given year.

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 1:37:46pm

Since the author of the latest slop brings up costs to WH helicopter fleet I thought this was also related:

Cost Nearly Doubles For Marine One Fleet
By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, March 17, 2008

A year after Sept. 11, 2001, the White House set out to build a fleet of state-of-the-art Marine One helicopters for the al-Qaeda age that would be safer, more powerful and more reliable than the iconic white-topped aircraft that have landed on the South Lawn for decades.

But the al-Qaeda age has met the military acquisition process. Six years later, the cost of the new helicopters has nearly doubled, production has fallen behind schedule, and the bulk of the program has been put on hold while the government tries to figure out how to salvage it.

The Pentagon confirmed this month that the cost of the fleet of 28 new super-sophisticated helicopters has jumped from $6.1 billion when the contract was signed in 2005 to $11.2 billion today. Outfitted with cutting-edge communications equipment, antimissile defenses and hardened hulls, each of the VH-71 helicopters, to be dubbed Marine One whenever the president is onboard, will cost $400 million -- more than the most recent Boeing 747 jetliner outfitted to serve as Air Force One when it was delivered in 1990, even when adjusted for inflation.

Continues.

John Groom mentions "Find out why $3.3 billion was spent on “Presidential helicopters” he NEVER even used." As we can see this stems from programs approved by the Bush White House to the tune of $11.2 billion.

IOKIYAR and white.

Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 28, 2012 2:45:07pm

I've been really deep in the new integrated Image Library code, but I'm definitely gonna promote this one too. Good work as usual, Gus. I'll leave it here for another hour or so just in case there's anything you want to edit.

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 2:45:53pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

I've been really deep in the new integrated Image Library code, but I'm definitely gonna promote this one too. Good work as usual, Gus. I'll leave it here for another hour or so just in case there's anything you want to edit.

OK, thanks. I added a couple of more things since the initial post.

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 3:12:29pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

I've been really deep in the new integrated Image Library code, but I'm definitely gonna promote this one too. Good work as usual, Gus. I'll leave it here for another hour or so just in case there's anything you want to edit.

Ready.

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 28, 2012 5:29:41pm

Great post Gus. Full of sanity and facts.

This is all they've got?

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 5:31:30pm

re: #12 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Great post Gus. Full of sanity and facts.

This is all they've got?

Pretty much. Basically a lot of jibberish about rising costs of running the White House which began right after 9/11.

Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 28, 2012 5:33:35pm

Promoted!

By the way, look who registered at LGF today -- environmentalist Peter Sinclair.

Obdicut Fri, Sep 28, 2012 5:34:31pm

You know, a lot gets done on the White House. It's big. There's this cool show called The West Wing, and even though it's a fictionalization, it does get across that it's a place where people work all the time.

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 5:34:43pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Promoted!

By the way, look who registered at LGF today -- environmentalist Peter Sinclair.

Thanks and cool. Maybe he can contribute some pages. :)

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 5:37:45pm

re: #15 Obdicut

You know, a lot gets done on the White House. It's big. There's this cool show called The West Wing, and even though it's a fictionalization, it does get across that it's a place where people work all the time.

It's a poor attempt by Groom. Look at the cost of the helicopters which began well before Obama even set foot in the White House. That program alone blew up to 11 billion dollars.

Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 28, 2012 5:39:19pm

Testing the new Ajax image upload for comments:

Image: 663819232.jpg

Obdicut Fri, Sep 28, 2012 5:49:12pm

Fucked up:

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

The daughter of a Hong Kong tycoon who has offered $65 million to any man who can woo her away from her lesbian partner says she's not upset with her father. Still, it's unlikely she will be accepting any of the marriage proposals flooding in. Gigi Chao says she's on "very loving terms" with her father, Cecil Chao. He made world headlines when he offered the 500 million Hong Kong dollar marriage bounty after learning that his daughter had eloped with her partner to France.

Charles Johnson Fri, Sep 28, 2012 5:49:41pm

Interesting stat: I wrote a quick little script to count all the images in our user upload directory, and we currently are storing more than 7,000 images.

Spocomptonite Fri, Sep 28, 2012 5:53:09pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Promoted!

By the way, look who registered at LGF today -- environmentalist Peter Sinclair.

OMG HI Peter! AHHH--

User Spocomptonite fangirl squealed to death from this post.

JamesWI Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:01:18pm

Fox News aired a live suicide today. They apologized to their viewers for broadcasting something that actually happened.
— braden graeber (@hipstermermaid) September 28, 2012

Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:01:19pm

re: #19 Obdicut

Fucked up:

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

Marcus should be out over the Atlantic by now.

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:02:27pm

Some more of Mr. Groom's insight.

ISRAEL TRADES LIVE PRISONERS FOR DEAD PRISONERS!

In what has to be one of the stupidest trades of all time, Israel is doing a prisoner swap with Hizbullah, Lebanon's Shia militia. The only problem is that it is giving live terrorists back to Hizbullah, while getting only Israeli corpses in return.

"Under the deal, Israel will surrender Samir Kuntar, a Lebanese who has been in jail since he killed three Israelis in 1979, as well as four other Lebanese prisoners and the remains of several more. Later on, it will turn over an unspecified number of Palestinian prisoners to Hamas, the Islamist movement that controls the Gaza Strip. In return it will get back Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser, two soldiers whom Hizbullah kidnapped two years ago, sparking a five-week-long war, along with a report on the fate of Ron Arad, an air force officer whose plane was downed over Lebanon in 1986 and who was known to be alive until talks to release him broke down in 1988. Mr. Arad has long been presumed dead, and the government says Mr. Goldwasser and Mr. Regev probably are too."

Suggested Punishment: No wonder the Israelites can't keep the peace; if you negotiate with your enemies by trading live terrorists for dead soldiers, there doesn't seem to be much incentive to end the fighting. We'd love to leave vengeance to the Lord, as they say, but he's also given up on the Middle East.

wrenchwench Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:04:03pm

Later, lizards.

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:09:38pm

I Tweeted the initial numbers I found to Alex Pappas of Daily Caller which he of course ignored. How these people call themselves "journalists" is beyond me.

b_sharp Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:09:50pm

Another masterful page Gus.

The quality of the pages put up here never fails to amaze me.

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:10:26pm

re: #27 reflections of a raging redneck

Another masterful page Gus.

The quality of the pages put up here never fails to amaze me.

Thanks.

dragonfire1981 Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:14:28pm

This post only serves to remind me of the depressing amount of money that is completely wasted in this country.

Health care costs are bloated.
Defense spending is bloated.
Salaries in certain municipalities are bloated.
Campaign spending is bloated.

Now I understand a certain amount of expense needed to handle the requirements of the office of the President but I bet with a bit of effort that could be taken care of for a bit less than $1.4 Billion.

I'm not upset at Obama (especially seeing as how Bush was in the same range), I just think we as a nation need to get smarter with handling money in all arenas.

The amount of wasteful spending is totally out of control.

Obdicut Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:15:59pm

re: #29 dragonfire1981

And maybe we should be spending more. I mean, I'm sure that there's some things in there to take out, but it's possible that something is actually underfunded there.

people look at government spending as though it just costs money. Very often, government spending saves huge amounts of money.

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:17:50pm

re: #30 Obdicut

And maybe we should be spending more. I mean, I'm sure that there's some things in there to take out, but it's possible that something is actually underfunded there.

people look at government spending as though it just costs money. Very often, government spending saves huge amounts of money.

Logic over soundbites and party slogans. Will we ever get there?

b_sharp Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:22:15pm

I had an MRI this afternoon.
It was an interesting and quite noisy experience.
It cost me nothing.

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:24:44pm

re: #32 reflections of a raging redneck

I had an MRI this afternoon.
It was an interesting and quite noisy experience.
It cost me nothing.

Checking the plumbing or the attic?

b_sharp Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:28:58pm

re: #33 Gus

Checking the plumbing or the attic?

There was nothing in the attic, so they checked my shoulders, where I have some nasty pains on occasion.

b_sharp Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:30:44pm

re: #30 Obdicut

And maybe we should be spending more. I mean, I'm sure that there's some things in there to take out, but it's possible that something is actually underfunded there.

people look at government spending as though it just costs money. Very often, government spending saves huge amounts of money.

It doesn't matter where the money comes from as long as it flows.

engineer cat Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:32:12pm

Politics Fanatic Dies From Compulsive Poll Checking Spasms

autopsy reveals succumbed to shock from online pr0n withdrawal

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:42:17pm

This is OUTRAGEOUS. For what the taxpayers spend on the White House in a year, they could have paid for two days of the war in Iraq.

edit: i kan splel

b_sharp Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:46:47pm

Does the Donald's hair in this pic

Image: donaldtrumphair.jpg

look like this hat?

The Donald.

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:47:35pm

re: #38 reflections of a raging redneck

Does the Donald's hair in this pic

Image: donaldtrumphair.jpg

look like this hat?

The Donald.

A little bit. Looks French.

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:49:43pm

Ironically here's some more words of wisdom from that goober, John Bloom:

IDIOT OF THE DAY: DONALD TRUMP

The Donald, the one run that runs gambling casinos in Atlantic City, and sells tiny million dollar condos in Manhattan, has joined the populist band wagon to accuse oil companies of "ripping off America".

We can only now assume that Trump, who declared bankruptcy of his real estate empire in the last great real estate bust, and who put his casinos in bankruptcy more recently, has now become a commodities expert.

Suggested Punishment: Drown trump in oil, while forcing him to watch reruns of the Apprentice.

Lidane Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:55:38pm

Why does it surprise people that the guy who couldn't beat John McCain could do worse than John McCain against President Obama?
— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) September 29, 2012

Sionainn Fri, Sep 28, 2012 6:55:42pm

I don't know if someone has posted this already. Ann Romney worried about Mitt's mental well-being if he is elected president. Starts at around 6:00.

Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:10:57pm

Mr. Collard green Frog gets bigger almost every single day. 3 weeks ago he was the size of a dime, now about golf ball sized. Heard him croaking for the first time tonight. Met the new neighbors replacing the hippies. More hippies. Bought a new $1,000 dehumidifier for the greenhouse, works great. David Lynch is awesome on Louie.

b_sharp Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:12:07pm

Am I seeing things, or are the regular page authors in developing their own comfort zones, creating their own news 'clades', like general science, women's issues, investigative, etc.?

I think I'm seeing non-random movement here.

Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:13:05pm

re: #42 Sionainn

I don't know if someone has posted this already. Ann Romney worried about Mitt's mental well-being if he is elected president. Starts at around 6:00.

The Koskidz are excited about that too...
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

His ability to maintain his mental well-being.

His ability to maintain his mental well-being.

His ability to maintain his mental well-being.

His ability to maintain his mental well-being.

WHAT.

THE.

FUCK.

This is a man who wants to control a country with 2,150 active nuclear weapons.

This is a man who wants to control 1.4 million active duty members of the military.

Top of the rec list.Outrage is important or something.

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:14:31pm

Charles can you fix "John" under John F. Groom portrait and the "cartoon" to "cartoons" here:

The author of “The 1.4 Billion Dollar Man: Costs of the Obama White House” is a John F. Groom who seems to have authored numerous self-help books. I was able to find several cartoons in his “private” yet publicly available web page of his professional website. Some examples:

Thanks.

b_sharp Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:15:12pm

re: #42 Sionainn

I don't know if someone has posted this already. Ann Romney worried about Mitt's mental well-being if he is elected president. Starts at around 6:00.

I've been concerned with his emotional state, as I was with the rest of the GOP candidates, for months.

funky chicken Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:15:36pm

re: #42 Sionainn

I don't know if someone has posted this already. Ann Romney worried about Mitt's mental well-being if he is elected president. Starts at around 6:00.

I'd be worried about anybody's, to be honest with you. She's just being a concerned wife.

Only The Lurker Knows Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:15:59pm

Night Lizards, Haven't been active tonight. Probably for the best. I think I will just crawl back under my rock and see what tomorrow brings.

May the Deity of YOUR choice smile down upon you.

Night

BongCrodny Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:16:08pm

re: #29 dragonfire1981

This post only serves to remind me of the depressing amount of money that is completely wasted in this country.

Health care costs are bloated.
Defense spending is bloated.
Salaries in certain municipalities are bloated.
Campaign spending is bloated.

Now I understand a certain amount of expense needed to handle the requirements of the office of the President but I bet with a bit of effort that could be taken care of for a bit less than $1.4 Billion.

I'm not upset at Obama (especially seeing as how Bush was in the same range), I just think we as a nation need to get smarter with handling money in all arenas.

The amount of wasteful spending is totally out of control.

From the list Gus provided, it looks like a huge chunk of the budget -- over 40% -- goes to the Secret Service.

Not the sort of thing I'd want to pinch pennies on.

Sionainn Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:16:18pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

The Koskidz are excited about that too...
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Top of the rec list.Outrage is important or something.

Weird how you had to dig for something to make it look like liberals are "outraged."

b_sharp Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:17:56pm

re: #49 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards, Haven't been active tonight. Probably for the best. I think I will just crawl back under my rock and see what tomorrow brings.

May the Deity of YOUR choice smile down upon you.

Night

You'll miss the big catharsis meeting scheduled for later.

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:18:24pm

re: #49 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards, Haven't been active tonight. Probably for the best. I think I will just crawl back under my rock and see what tomorrow brings.

May the Deity of YOUR choice smile down upon you.

Night

We feel ya.

Sionainn Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:18:25pm

re: #48 funky chicken

I'd be worried about anybody's, to be honest with you. She's just being a concerned wife.

She knows him better than anyone else. He seems awfully brittle lately.

Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:18:43pm

re: #49 Bubblehead II

Take care.

Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:20:51pm

re: #48 funky chicken

I'd be worried about anybody's, to be honest with you. She's just being a concerned wife.

She just waved more red flags than the Beijing May Day parade.

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:22:53pm

re: #56 Decatur Deb

She just waved more red flags than the Beijing May Day parade.

Guy that wants to be president, hold the nuclear football and all that. Wife say, "I worry about his mental well being." Why worry?

Lidane Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:24:48pm

re: #51 Sionainn

Weird how you had to dig for something to make it look like liberals are "outraged."

It's no fun unless KT gets the vapors about something posted at DKos.

Obdicut Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:25:14pm

re: #57 Gus

Guy that wants to be president, hold the nuclear football and all that. Wife say, "I worry about his mental well being." Why worry?

I don't think it's that big a deal. I think Ann Romney was kind of built up as this secret weapon but she's actually a bit of a disaster at public speaking. They should just get her out of the limelight, it's kind of painful.

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:25:48pm

re: #59 Obdicut

I don't think it's that big a deal. I think Ann Romney was kind of built up as this secret weapon but she's actually a bit of a disaster at public speaking. They should just get her out of the limelight, it's kind of painful.

I thought that was the plan. Was kind of surprised to see this today.

Decatur Deb Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:26:45pm

re: #59 Obdicut

I don't think it's that big a deal. I think Ann Romney was kind of built up as this secret weapon but she's actually a bit of a disaster at public speaking. They should just get her out of the limelight, it's kind of painful.

The 2012 "We Don't Really Mean What We Say" campaign.

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:26:49pm

We kind. I've turned into a Leprechaun.

b_sharp Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:29:44pm

re: #62 Gus

We kind. I've turned into a Leprechaun.

Welcome to the fold.

Obdicut Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:30:01pm

re: #62 Gus

We kind. I've turned into a Leprechaun.

When I watched The Quiet Man for the first time as a kid, I thought this guy was a leprechaun:

Image: 0452.jpg

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:30:13pm

Romney would have been like Lt. Dike from "Band of Brothers" in combat.

b_sharp Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:30:37pm

re: #64 Obdicut

When I watched The Quiet Man for the first time as a kid, I thought this guy was a leprechaun:

Image: 0452.jpg

Look at my avatar.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:30:47pm

re: #8 Gus

Since the author of the latest slop brings up costs to WH helicopter fleet I thought this was also related:

Cost Nearly Doubles For Marine One Fleet
By Peter Baker
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, March 17, 2008

John Groom mentions "Find out why $3.3 billion was spent on “Presidential helicopters” he NEVER even used." As we can see this stems from programs approved by the Bush White House to the tune of $11.2 billion.

IOKIYAR and white.

Part of what happened was an increased awareness of the vulnerability of helicopters. This awareness came about initially as a result of the repulse of a strike package of AH-64 Apaches sent to disrupt the deployment of Iraqi Republican Guard Corps (IRGC) T-72 tanks and BMP Infantry Fighting Vehicles (IFVs) into fighting positions south of Baghdad. The mechanized force, part of the al-Medina Division, was protected by well sited Anti-Aircraft Artillery (AAA) and Surface to Air Missiles (SAMs) and the Iraqi air defense was able to prevent the Apaches from devastating the tanks and IFVs as they had in 1991. This action, plus other attacks on helicopters (one of which cost Tammy Duckworth her legs) led to a realization that the current generation of helicopters were more vulnerable than previously thought. With that in mind, the USMC issued a new set of specs which caused the planned schedule to slip. There's more but I'll stop here for a moment.

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:32:37pm

re: #67 Dark_Falcon

Thanks. I wasn't making the point that I opposed such a procurement under Bush's watch.

andres Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:32:38pm

re: #30 Obdicut

And maybe we should be spending more. I mean, I'm sure that there's some things in there to take out, but it's possible that something is actually underfunded there.

people look at government spending as though it just costs money. Very often, government spending saves huge amounts of money.

Or invest in necessary, yet unprofitable-by-private-sector-standards areas, such as education, roads, public transportation, etc.

Lidane Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:32:42pm

Romney advisers: bring torture back, though we're not sure if it works. bit.ly/VWcdTi
— Mother Jones (@MotherJones) September 29, 2012

engineer cat Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:33:56pm

i've exhausted outrage, bombed through despair, and am currently enjoying denial

Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:34:03pm

re: #65 Gus

Romney would have been like Lt. Dike from "Band of Brothers" in combat.

That can't be known until a person is actually under fire. Some men seem brave but then collapse under the strain of battle. But though fewer, there are also other men who are able to rise to meet their great challenge and show a strength they were not believed to possess.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:35:06pm

re: #68 Gus

Thanks. I wasn't making the point that I opposed such a procurement under Bush's watch.

I know you weren't, but I put in a lot of time learning about procurement. I wanted to put that knowledge to use.

bratwurst Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:37:16pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

Some men seem brave but then collapse under the strain of battle. But though fewer, there are also other men who are able to rise to meet their great challenge and show a strength they were not believed to possess.

And some go to France while their contemporaries face a human meat grinder, then later lie and claim they had "longed" to join them.

b_sharp Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:37:26pm

re: #71 engineer cat

i've exhausted outrage, bombed through despair, and am currently enjoying denial

Have you tried Hare Krishna?

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:38:35pm

re: #73 Dark_Falcon

I know you weren't, but I put in a lot of time learning about procurement. I wanted to put that knowledge to use.

Bottom line is that running the White House was always expensive. After 9/11 those costs jumped significantly.

jamesfirecat Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:39:12pm

re: #74 bratwurst

And some go to France while their contemporaries face a human meat grinder, then later lie and claim they had "longed" to join them.

And some of those some protest in favor of drafting their fellow citizens before fleeing the country.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:40:26pm

re: #75 reflections of a raging redneck

Have you tried Hare Krishna?

No, Christianity works just fine for me, Kermit.

/Muppet Movie reference

bratwurst Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:40:39pm

re: #77 jamesfirecat

And some of those some protest in favor of drafting their fellow citizens before fleeing the country.

I was being generous in leaving that part out!

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:41:34pm

So if someone asks you how much does it cost to run the White House for a year just tell them, "for now roughly 1.5 billion dollars a year."

Killgore Trout Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:42:21pm

re: #71 engineer cat

i've exhausted outrage, bombed through despair, and am currently enjoying denial

Apathy is power. Anyone who say different deserves to be ignored.

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:47:15pm

re: #76 Gus

Bottom line is that running the White House was always expensive. After 9/11 those costs jumped significantly.

But those black grifters! Nothing more, nothing less.

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:47:22pm

We are ~~DARVO~~ DEVO!

Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:48:51pm

So I just found out my cousin died this morning. Drove off the road and into a tree. Thirty-six, same as me.

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:49:29pm

re: #77 jamesfirecat

And some of those some protest in favor of drafting their fellow citizens before fleeing the country.

If Romney was John Kerry, there'd be a huge movement based entirely on this. A book(s) written, and a whole movement with unlimited funds screaming about his actions.

But no.

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:49:36pm

re: #84 Mocking Jay

So I just found out my cousin died this morning. Drove off the road and into a tree. Thirty-six, same as me.

Sorry for your loss.

b_sharp Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:49:44pm

re: #84 Mocking Jay

So I just found out my cousin died this morning. Drove off the road and into a tree. Thirty-six, same as me.

Oh no.
You have my heartfelt condolences.

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:50:32pm

[Link: www.trbimg.com...]

Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:51:07pm

re: #84 Mocking Jay

Sorry. Deal as best you can.

Obdicut Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:52:20pm

re: #84 Mocking Jay

Were you close?

Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:54:34pm

re: #84 Mocking Jay

So I just found out my cousin died this morning. Drove off the road and into a tree. Thirty-six, same as me.

I'm 34, so that hits close to home. My condolences on your loss.

Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:55:35pm

re: #86 Gus

re: #87 reflections of a raging redneck

re: #89 We're All Welfare Queens Now

re: #90 Obdicut

Thanks. We were close when we were younger. Lived in the same house until we were 21. Since then we'd see each other on and off, talk on the phone here or there. Really more the shock of hearing that she's gone.

Obdicut Fri, Sep 28, 2012 7:56:50pm

re: #92 Mocking Jay

I don't have cousins, but I don't know what I'd do if one of my brothers died. The world would no longer make sense.

b_sharp Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:00:08pm

re: #93 Obdicut

I don't have cousins, but I don't know what I'd do if one of my brothers died. The world would no longer make sense.

It takes years to deal with that.

Mich-again Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:00:29pm

re: #92 Mocking Jay

We were close when we were younger. Lived in the same house until we were 21. Since then we'd see each other on and off, talk on the phone here or there. Really more the shock of hearing that she's gone.

Aw man. that's horrible news. peace.

Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:00:42pm

If I were President the cost would be $2 billion. Damn mini bar on Air Force One!!
And good evening Honcos.
PS. Sorry JasonA

Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:01:43pm

re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar

If I were President the cost would be $2 billion. Damn mini bar on Air Force One!!
And good evening Honcos.
PS. Sorry JasonA

That's what I was thinking.

Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:02:31pm

re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar

If I were President the cost would be $2 billion. Damn mini bar on Air Force One!!
And good evening Honcos.
PS. Sorry JasonA

So Air Force one would stocked with Canadian Club instead, right?

Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:03:21pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

So Air Force one would stocked with Canadian Club instead, right?

12 year old CC. Smooth, baby.

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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:03:33pm

re: #93 Obdicut

I don't have cousins, but I don't know what I'd do if one of my brothers died. The world would no longer make sense.

Dude, I am sequestered so far. Lost Mother in Law. That was insane, but I actually only knew her for 4 years. A great time of knowing, but not really the huge hook that are parents. I do not want to diminish the loss, it was hell. BUT my parents are still out there, my Step Parents are still out there. My favorite Aunt.

Life is going to be life to me soon.

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MittDoesNotCompute Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:07:23pm

re: #83 Gus

We are ~~DARVO~~ DEVO!

Youtube Video

/whip it good!

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Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:07:27pm

re: #92 Mocking Jay

re: #87 reflections of a raging redneck

re: #89 We're All Welfare Queens Now

re: #90 Obdicut

Thanks. We were close when we were younger. Lived in the same house until we were 21. Since then we'd see each other on and off, talk on the phone here or there. Really more the shock of hearing that she's gone.

My second cousin was killed with her husband in Ontario several years ago. I never met them but it was very heart breaking to have learned. They were in their mid 20s.

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Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:09:05pm

re: #101 Gert Fröbe

[Embedded content]

/whip it good!

D-E-V-O

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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:10:47pm

re: #100 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Dude, I am sequestered so far. Lost Mother in Law. That was insane, but I actually only knew her for 4 years. A great time of knowing, but not really the huge hook that are parents. I do not want to diminish the loss, it was hell. BUT my parents are still out there, my Step Parents are still out there. My favorite Aunt.

Life is going to be life to me soon.

I was the primary care giver to my dad for 14 months. When he died it wasn't a shock to me as it was to others. But I was there and saw everything every day. I didn't even cry at his funeral. I fielded calls for a month from his "old friends". I had to break it to them. And what's funny is the fact that I would have a question I needed the answer to and I would walk in the door, start asking a question but his chair was empty. That's when it actually hit me.

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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:10:50pm

re: #103 Gus

D-E-V-O

Deny Everything Very Often?

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b_sharp Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:14:35pm

re: #100 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Dude, I am sequestered so far. Lost Mother in Law. That was insane, but I actually only knew her for 4 years. A great time of knowing, but not really the huge hook that are parents. I do not want to diminish the loss, it was hell. BUT my parents are still out there, my Step Parents are still out there. My favorite Aunt.

Life is going to be life to me soon.

The worst thing about aging is losing friends and family.

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austin_blue Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:19:27pm

Meanwhile, at 538.com

[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]

So I heard that Romney has a Sekrit Plan that will allow him to win Pennsylvania.

Meh. Toast.

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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:20:35pm

re: #107 austin_blue

Meanwhile, at 538.com

[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]

So I heard that Romney has a Sekrit Plan that will allow him to win Pennsylvania.

Meh. Toast.

Is it really buttered toast? Dip that into chocolate milk. Yummy.

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austin_blue Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:23:29pm

re: #108 Cannadian Club Akbar

Is it really buttered toast? Dip that into chocolate milk. Yummy.

I like my toast with Nutella. But that's just me. Romney doesn't toast at all. Champagne is of the evil.

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Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:23:43pm

re: #107 austin_blue

Meanwhile, at 538.com

[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]

So I heard that Romney has a Sekrit Plan that will allow him to win Pennsylvania.

Meh. Toast.

The PA Division of the Obama Civilian Militia Corps (PDOCMC) will force everyone to vote for Obama.

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Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:24:20pm

After that we start closing Christian churches. Then we confiscate guns.

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Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:24:59pm

Force everyone to become Muslim. Followed up by forced gay marriage of course.

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austin_blue Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:25:41pm

re: #111 Gus

After that we start closing Christian churches. Then we confiscate guns.

Christian babies are scrumdiddlyumptious!

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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:25:57pm

re: #109 austin_blue

I like my toast with Nutella. But that's just me. Romney doesn't toast at all. Champagne is of the evil.

Hazel nuts are for the 99%ers. And, in a fickle finger of fate moment, the 47%ers can't afford it. HA!!!
/

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Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:26:22pm

re: #113 austin_blue

Christian babies are scrumdiddlyumptious!

Definitely. Stem cell food is in the plans.

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austin_blue Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:27:43pm

re: #114 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hazel nuts are for the 99%ers. And, in a fickle finger of fate moment, the 47%ers can't afford it. HA!!!
/

Sad but true. The 47% will have to settle for peanut oleo.

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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:28:09pm

re: #112 Gus

Force everyone to become Muslim. Followed up by forced gay marriage of course.

I can't be your husband, Gus. If we weren't fighting over the booze, the fight would be about the last taco in the Taco Bell bag.
///

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Sionainn Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:28:17pm

re: #84 Mocking Jay

So I just found out my cousin died this morning. Drove off the road and into a tree. Thirty-six, same as me.

I'm so sorry, Jason.

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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:28:27pm

As someone who has, as of this writing, been on hold with T-Mobile for a mere 27 minutes, I have a suggestion that might be of use to someone now or in the distant future whose livelihood depends in whole or in part on the way people respond to being put on hold:

-- >> DO NOT PLAY HOLD MUSIC THAT HAS LYRICS.

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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:28:40pm

re: #116 austin_blue

Sad but true. The 47% will have to settle for peanut oleo.

Let them eat brioche!!!

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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:30:13pm

re: #119 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

gah, another rant eaten by formatting characters. le sigh.

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Kragar Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:31:58pm

re: #119 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

As someone who has, as of this writing, been on hold with T-Mobile for a mere 27 minutes, I have a suggestion that might be of use to someone now or in the distant future whose livelihood depends in whole or in part on the way people respond to being put on hold:

-- >> DO NOT PLAY HOLD MUSIC THAT HAS LYRICS.

Addendum:

Do not interrupt the hold music every minute with a recorded message letting me know I'm on hold. I realize I'm on hold, every time it gets interrupted you make me think my call is getting answered.

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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:34:16pm

re: #122 Kragar

Addendum:

Do not interrupt the hold music every minute with a recorded message letting me know I'm on hold. I realize I'm on hold, every time it gets interrupted you make me think my call is getting answered.

And when I get to actually talk to someone, don't connect me to India and have some guy there tell me his name is Gary. I have nothing against India, but c'mon.

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Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:39:06pm

@blueangels Page load is negative. Check URL. Copy.
— Gus (@Gus_802) September 29, 2012

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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:43:40pm

And the whole "Obama's giving away free phones!!1" meme has now been taken up by Lead Stalker 'Rodan' AKA 'Daedalus' AKA 'Dorkus':

Obama gave me a phone!
by Rodan ( 92 Comments › )
Filed under Communism, Cult of Obama, Economy, Progressives, Socialism at September 28th, 2012 - 6:00 pm

I will never forget that crazy woman who said Obama would pay for her car and her mortgage. At the time people thought she was exaggerating. Well it turns out, she was not lying. An Obama supporter protesting Romney, brags about how Obama is giving out free cell phones and putting everyone on disability.

Youtube Video

This is just so sad on so many levels. This is what is propping up Obama in the polls. He is making Americans of all colors his dependent slaves. This is part of the Progressive plan!

shareshareshareshare

Tags: American Pharoah, god-king

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No link, since its the Stalker Blog. I had to post the Youtube vid in order to keep the overall post intact.

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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:43:58pm

re: #122 Kragar

Addendum:

Do not interrupt the hold music every minute with a recorded message letting me know I'm on hold. I realize I'm on hold, every time it gets interrupted you make me think my call is getting answered.

my rant that got eaten by formatting codes explained that I had devoloped Stockholm Syndrome to the point where I was looking forward to the periodic chirpy reminders that my call was very important to them.

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Mich-again Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:48:31pm

re: #122 Kragar

Addendum:

Do not interrupt the hold music every minute with a recorded message letting me know I'm on hold. I realize I'm on hold, every time it gets interrupted you make me think my call is getting answered.

And by all means do not start out the recorded message that I will end up hearing 15 times before I get to actually talk to real person by telling me how important my phone call is .. That is the worst part..

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:49:15pm

It looks like the Nutburger Tax, or the amount we have to spend on Secret Service, is something around $750 million.

You really can't blame Obama for the nutburgers.

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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:49:20pm

re: #126 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

my rant that got eaten by formatting codes explained that I had devoloped Stockholm Syndrome to the point where I was looking forward to the periodic chirpy reminders that my call was very important to them.

Your post here at LGF is very important to someone. Please remain on the line while I.... aw, screw it.
///Hello, my name is Gary....

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:50:23pm

re: #129 Cannadian Club Akbar

Your post here at LGF is very important to someone. Please remain on the line while I.... aw, screw it.
///Hello, my name is Gary....

Because lots of Bollywood stars are named Gary; that's why my mother named me that.

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Mich-again Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:50:45pm

This call may be recorded for quality control purposes..And that includes while you are on hold bitching about this looped recording to no one in particular.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:51:35pm

re: #119 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

As someone who has, as of this writing, been on hold with T-Mobile for a mere 27 minutes, I have a suggestion that might be of use to someone now or in the distant future whose livelihood depends in whole or in part on the way people respond to being put on hold:

-- >> DO NOT PLAY HOLD MUSIC THAT HAS LYRICS.

Her name was Lola, she was a show girl...

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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:52:05pm

re: #128 Mostly sane, most of the time.

It looks like the Nutburger Tax, or the amount we have to spend on Secret Service, is something around $750 million.

You really can't blame Obama for the nutburgers.

Of course you can! He made them nutty by Being President While Black!!1

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Mich-again Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:52:15pm

re: #128 Mostly sane, most of the time.

You really can't blame Obama for the nutburgers.

Oh yes we can.. It it weren't for Obama there wouldn't be any nutburgers. Everything was happy happy fun joy before he came along.

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Kragar Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:54:06pm

Team Akin On Meltdown Week: It’s All Going According To Plan

Democrats are convinced Todd Akin faceplanted his way though the Missouri Senate race this week, pointing to the furor over his claim that Claire McCaskill wasn’t “ladylike” and his comparison of of the Democratic Senator to a caged animal.

Nonsense, Todd Akin says: everything is right on track.

Rick Tyler, the former Newt Gingrich adviser now working for Akin, told TPM that his candidate’s remarks are no problem.

“He’s doing great!” Tyler said.

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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:54:57pm

re: #135 Kragar

Team Akin On Meltdown Week: It’s All Going According To Plan

I smell victory!!!
/

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Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:55:08pm

re: #135 Kragar

Team Akin On Meltdown Week: It’s All Going According To Plan

Todd Akin is going WACO!

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Lidane Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:55:22pm

re: #135 Kragar

Team Akin On Meltdown Week: It’s All Going According To Plan

Baghdad Bob is getting a lot of work here in the States these days.

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MittDoesNotCompute Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:56:12pm

re: #137 Gus

Todd Akin is ~~going~~ WACKO!

FTFY...

///

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:56:19pm

So The Princess is taking Childhood Development this semester because...frankly that's all that's available. They've had to cut too many teachers to have a lot of options.

However, this means I am currently the proud grandmother of Fake Baby. Fake Baby, by her request, is a girl, is bi-racial, and gives a recorded cry every ten minutes. I am sitting in the other room snickering at her frustration with the baby's constant demands for attention.

I never had frustrating Fake Baby in high school. I had Baby Brother in high school, and he was very real, very poopy, but he wasn't my responsibility, thank heavens.

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Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:56:32pm

re: #139 Gert Fröbe

FTFY...

///

Image: George-Todd-Galloway-Akin.jpg

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Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:58:30pm

Image: drudge-romney-jones.jpg

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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:58:47pm

re: #140 Mostly sane, most of the time.

In my skool you would have to carry an egg for a week and report on it if you were taking some class. Don't remember the class, but I took cooking classes, so you know how that worked out.

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Kragar Fri, Sep 28, 2012 8:59:21pm

re: #141 Gus

Image: George-Todd-Galloway-Akin.jpg

"What has he gots in his pocketes, gollum gollum?"

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b_sharp Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:00:07pm

re: #130 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Because lots of Bollywood stars are named Gary; that's why my mother named me that.

There is nothing wrong with the name Gary.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:00:25pm

re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar

In my skool you would have to carry an egg for a week and report on it if you were taking some class. Don't remember the class, but I took cooking classes, so you know how that worked out.

Having Baby Brother in the house worked beautifully to teach us the realities of babies.

Somehow, pregnancy lost all appeal when you watched your mother groan her way through it (he was born in August), and then you saw the up-close reality of Baby Brother.

I did love to hold him, though.

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Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:00:31pm

re: #144 Kragar

"What has he gots in his pocketes, gollum gollum?"

Matt Drudge, Mitt Romney, Alex Jones twitter.com/Gus_802/status...
— Gus (@Gus_802) September 29, 2012

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:01:24pm

re: #145 reflections of a raging redneck

There is nothing wrong with the name Gary.

Nothing whatsoever. I just get upset when it's a lie. It feels like manipulation.

If your name is Suresh, say that it's Suresh. My neighbor is named Suresh, and I think he's a great guy.

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Lidane Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:02:19pm

re: #140 Mostly sane, most of the time.

My high school child development class had people carry around an egg in a basket for an entire week.

I never took the class, but I got really good at egg-sitting for other people. It probably explains why I haven't wanted kids of my own. Haha.

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Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:02:37pm

I love that picture of Romney. lol Look at him.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:03:26pm

re: #149 Lidane

My high school child development class had people carry around an egg in a basket for an entire week.

I never took the class, but I got really good at egg-sitting for other people. It probably explains why I haven't wanted kids of my own. Haha.

Fake Baby has a wristband that you have to wear to get it to respond to you so that you can't pawn it off on your mom.

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Kragar Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:03:39pm

re: #149 Lidane

My high school child development class had people carry around an egg in a basket for an entire week.

I never took the class, but I got really good at egg-sitting for other people. It probably explains why I haven't wanted kids of my own. Haha.

Hard boil it. Toughens the kid up.

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b_sharp Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:03:42pm

ref="/showc/144/9767987" class="rep">#144 Kragar

"What has he gots in his pocketes, gollum gollum?"

Bad comb over.

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Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:03:51pm

Image: Romney-Stumped.jpg

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:03:52pm

re: #24 Gus

Some more of Mr. Groom's insight.

ISRAEL TRADES LIVE PRISONERS FOR DEAD PRISONERS!

I sat down on the floor of my living room and cried the day they handed Samir Kuntar over in exchange for coffins, but I would suggest that this gentleman does not entirely understand the cultural context of the exchange.

Other people disagreed with it, but most of them did not see fit to discuss what the Lord thought.

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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:04:08pm

re: #146 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I have a brother that is 7 years younger and one 16 years younger. I was at an Ozzy concert when my 16 year younger than me was born. Ozzy sucks in concert, BTW.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:04:47pm

re: #156 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have a brother that is 7 years younger and one 16 years younger. I was at an Ozzy concert when my 16 year younger than me was born. Ozzy sucks in concert, BTW.

I was at a dance. There was a phone in the hallway, and I would just slip out to call to see if she'd had the baby yet.

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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:05:36pm

re: #148 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Nothing whatsoever. I just get upset when it's a lie. It feels like manipulation.

If your name is Suresh, say that it's Suresh. My neighbor is named Suresh, and I think he's a great guy.

Pretty sure the blame lies with the companies that tell these guys to do that.

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Kragar Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:05:45pm

Meet Dean Chambers, The Virginia Republican Who Is ‘Unskewing’ The Polls

Here’s what the site’s founder, Dean Chambers, does. He changes the baseline assumption on how much of the electorate is Republican and how much is Democratic. Initially, he used Rasmussen’s real numbers on party identification to re-weight various polls. Rasmussen’s numbers break down to 37.6 percent Republican, 33.3 percent Democrat and 29.2 percent Independent. As of Thursday night, Chambers began using party identification numbers from his own web-based poll.

Chambers’ project started in July after he noticed an ABC News/Washington Post poll that “just didn’t look right.” An ABC News/Washington Post poll conducted this month showed Obama up over Romney 49 percent to 48 percent. “Unskewed,” however, after applying Rasmussen’s numbers on party ID, Romney leads Obama 52-45 in the poll. It’s like magic. But Chambers insists he isn’t “changing” or “making up” data. “The only thing I’m doing is weighting.”

Image: dean-chambers.jpg

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freetoken Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:06:04pm

I see that the Harvard journal that was going to print the paper on the Jesus "wife" papyrus has decided to not print the paper. Apparently there are too many questions being raised by Coptologists (yes, that's a word.)

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:06:14pm

re: #158 Mocking Jay

Pretty sure the blame lies with the companies that tell these guys to do that.

I'm sure, but it's still annoying.

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Lidane Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:06:19pm

re: #152 Kragar

Hard boil it. Toughens the kid up.

I was always tempted to find one of those Easter egg coloring kits and go to town on the egg baby. I would have loved to see the reaction if the baby was suddenly bright pink or rainbow colored. Hehe.

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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:06:48pm

re: #161 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I'm sure, but it's still annoying.

Indeed, "Mostly Sane, most of the time."

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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:07:17pm

re: #160 freetoken

I see that the Harvard journal that was going to print the paper on the Jesus "wife" papyrus has decided to not print the paper. Apparently there are too many questions being raised by Coptologists (yes, that's a word.)

Science! (?)

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freetoken Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:08:05pm

re: #164 Mocking Jay

Science! (?)

Sort of. Some of it might just be biases, but there are questions raised about the nature of the writing on side that mentions the woman.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:08:56pm

re: #165 freetoken

Sort of. Some of it might just be biases, but there are questions raised about the nature of the writing on side that mentions the woman.

Can't they just test the age of the papyrus?

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Cannadian Club Akbar Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:09:07pm

Alrighy. Hitting the sack. Good night, tonight was.:) (I have the morning shift)

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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:09:41pm

re: #166 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Can't they just test the age of the papyrus?

Well, that might not necessarily proof of when it was written, I think.

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Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:10:06pm

re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist

I sat down on the floor of my living room and cried the day they handed Samir Kuntar over in exchange for coffins, but I would suggest that this gentleman does not entirely understand the cultural context of the exchange.

Other people disagreed with it, but most of them did not see fit to discuss what the Lord thought.

I thought it was kind of rude and dumb. What's the point? I have my own "theory" on it. It actually told me more about the PA than Israel.

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:10:45pm

re: #168 Mocking Jay

Well, that might not necessarily proof of when it was written, I think.

Who keeps papyrus around for 500 years before they write on it?

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:11:56pm

re: #57 Gus

Guy that wants to be president, hold the nuclear football and all that. Wife say, "I worry about his mental well being." Why worry?

I don't think he's unstable, it's just...doesn't either of them ever think before they blurt shit out in front of the press?

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Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:12:26pm

I should post this from John F. Groom...

EVIL AND STUPID - FUGITIVE FINANCIER FINALLY FOUND

Samuel Israel is so evil that he bilked hundreds of millions of dollars from investors in a fraudulent hedge fund scheme. Then he faked his suicide, instead of reporting to jail for a 20 year prison sentence. And so stupid that this very rich man went to Massachusetts, rather than South Africa or some island, on the lam. Earth to fugitive: while it's true that the great state of Massachusetts is very liberal and tolerant of fraud (see the Kennedys) it still extradites convicted felons from other states.

Suggested Punishment: This guy will be in jail for the rest of his life. Put him in a cell with someone with a taste for old Jewish men. Then he can have done to him what he did to investors.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:14:51pm

re: #84 Mocking Jay

So I just found out my cousin died this morning. Drove off the road and into a tree. Thirty-six, same as me.

Ah, jeez. I am so sorry.

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Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:16:24pm

re: #172 Gus

I should post this from John F. Groom...

EVIL AND STUPID - FUGITIVE FINANCIER FINALLY FOUND

Long story short. John F. Groom has rape fantasies involving "old Jewish men." Houston, we've got a problem.

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freetoken Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:16:29pm

re: #168 Mocking Jay

Well, that might not necessarily proof of when it was written, I think.

Yes, what happens all the time (in antiquity) is that a side of papyrus would be "erased" by scraping off a little layer of material, so that the whole sheet could be reused.

Someone could have taken part of a papyrus that was either blank, faded, or erased, and written in the current text.

Anyway, some coptologists are raising issues about it, so the editors of the Harvard journal decided to not publish it.

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Lidane Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:16:31pm

re: #168 Mocking Jay

Well, that might not necessarily proof of when it was written, I think.

Easy enough to know that. Test the papyrus AND the ink.

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Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:16:52pm

re: #171 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't think he's unstable, it's just...doesn't either of them ever think before they blurt shit out in front of the press?

Not unstable. Just...

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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:18:33pm

re: #57 Gus

Guy that wants to be president, hold the nuclear football and all that. Wife say, "I worry about his mental well being." Why worry?

In all fairness I can't blame a wife or husband for saying that.

I'm not so sure she's going to have anything to be worried about anyway...

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:20:15pm

re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar

In my skool you would have to carry an egg for a week and report on it if you were taking some class. Don't remember the class, but I took cooking classes, so you know how that worked out.

One of our local parish churches did that with the confirmation kids. One girl painted a little face and a diaper on hers, and I lived in fear that my ass would knock it off her desk, and I would have to call Father and explain.

A boy in the next class did the same exercise, but he built a little hard case for his egg, which he called a 'carseat', so it could be kept in his backpack. I loved that kid.

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b_sharp Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:20:44pm

re: #159 Kragar

Meet Dean Chambers, The Virginia Republican Who Is ‘Unskewing’ The Polls

Image: dean-chambers.jpg

No one in his right mind would use figures from a self selecting online open poll for an authoritative poll.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:22:50pm

re: #169 Gus

I thought it was kind of rude and dumb. What's the point? I have my own "theory" on it. It actually told me more about the PA than Israel.

The deal was with Hezbollah, IIUC.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:23:42pm

re: #170 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Who keeps papyrus around for 500 years before they write on it?

If you're creating a deliberate forgery, you use the oldest paper you can get.

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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:25:13pm

re: #178 Mocking Jay

In all fairness I can't blame a wife or husband for saying that.

I'm not so sure she's going to have anything to be worried about anyway...

Can't blame her for thinking it, but it can't have been a good idea to say it aloud.

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BongCrodny Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:30:19pm

re: #159 Kragar

Meet Dean Chambers, The Virginia Republican Who Is ‘Unskewing’ The Polls

Image: dean-chambers.jpg

If you visit his website, you should click on the link to the QStarNews site.

It's the Mother Lode of derp.

Sample posts:

--"Medal Winner Manzano chose to represent the U.S. so what's with the Mexican flag?"
--"Does God deserve credit for Gabrielle Douglas Olympic gold record?"
--"Obama looks to reinvent failing campaign"
--"Obama listens to rich liberals, at his own peril"
--"Uncertainty paralysis hinders job creation"

...and my favorite, from December 7, 2011:

--"Why Newt's surge is for real."

Here are the final two paragraphs from Mr. Chambers' examiner.com story, "Michelle Obama jumps on Gabby Douglas for eating an Egg McMuffin":

The first lady had taken on as cause and appointed herself an unofficial “czar” of childhool obesity and has taken to lecturing all who will listen on how what to eat despite not having any formal training in health care, diet or nutrition. Having taken on this role, Michelle Obama sees fit to condemn Gabby Douglas for celebrating a years-in-the making life time achievement by eating a single Egg McMuffin at McDonald's.

Reportedly, this news will inspire many readers to have dinner a Chick-fil-A today.

Wha?

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Ming Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:32:17pm

Just an obvious point: the $1.4 billion is for the Executive Branch of the federal government, including Camp David, the Secret Service, the Vice President's office, etc. It's quite misleading to say it's for "the Obama family".

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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:33:45pm

re: #185 Ming

Just an obvious point: the $1.4 billion is for the Executive Branch of the federal government, including Camp David, the Secret Service, the Vice President's office, etc. It's quite misleading to say it's for "the Obama family".

Oh, we don't need a secret service. Presidents are easy to replace.

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BongCrodny Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:35:00pm

re: #174 Gus

Long story short. John F. Groom has rape fantasies involving "old Jewish men." Houston, we've got a problem.

I read some of the cartoons you linked to that were by "Cartoon Bob."

And here I thought the McCoy Brothers were the unfunniest, talent-free political cartoonists since the invention of ink.

Compared to this Cartoon Bob guy, they're giants in the field.

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Gus Fri, Sep 28, 2012 9:38:12pm

re: #187 BongCrodny

I read some of the cartoons you linked to that were by "Cartoon Bob."

And here I thought the McCoy Brothers were the unfunniest, talent-free political cartoonists since the invention of ink.

Compared to this Cartoon Bob guy, they're giants in the field.

That's some weird shit. I guess a lot of people are numb to this right now.

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simoom Fri, Sep 28, 2012 10:27:46pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

The Koskidz are excited about that too...

Sure, in an ideal world that sort of comment wouldn't be worthy of any real scrutiny and would be ignored, but in the context of Presidential elections, candidate mental health has a long history of being a toxic third rail. If you think back just to the primaries, one of the sleazy ways the GOP establishment sank an ascendant Congresswoman Bachmann (and eventually cleared the way for Romney) was by making a huge issue out of her migraine meds and the effect they might have on her state of mind.

While I personally don't think Ann's comments will or should matter much, I'd imagine the Romney camp is none too pleased this Reuters wire-service write-up is propagating down to its media subscribers:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

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