Obama’s Support Among Latino Voters: 73%

Self-deportation
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With Mitt Romney’s talk of “self-deportation,” his endorsement of Arizona’s anti-immigrant SB1070 law as a model for the nation, his employment of far right nativist Kris Kobach as an advisor, and his condescending joke about having a “better shot at winning” if he were Latino, this new poll from Latino Decisions should come as no surprise: Poll: Obama Tops 70 Percent Support Among Latinos.

The poll shows Obama earning the support of 73 percent of Latino voters, while Romney trails with the support of only 21 percent.  It’s the first time Obama has exceeded 70 percent in the six weeks that Latino Decisions has conducted its tracking surveys.  This week’s installment also shows that more than 70 percent of Latino voters trust Obama over Romney on issues related to the economy, women, the Middle East and Latin America.

This election is turning into a referendum on right wing racism and xenophobia.

Also see
impreMedia/Latino Decisions Weekly Political Tracking Poll Week 6: Oct 1, 2012

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227 comments
1 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:44:34am

These numbers don't feel right. When you sample them properly and only poll Latino voters who are likely to vote Republican, Romney's support shoots to almost 50%.

2 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:44:57am

Another example of GOP short-term thinking.
At the end of the day, racism hurts them more than it hurts me.

3 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:46:28am

Also a referendum on right-wing sexism.

4 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:47:45am

Mitt Romney: I love latinos, everyone should employ at least one whether it be for lawn care or laundry.

5 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:48:49am

See also: the parallel universe where Mitt leads all polls.

6 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:48:50am

How is self-deportation supposed to work?

And did the RW survey all of the illegals to see if they'd kindly self-deport?

7 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:49:12am

re: #4 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Mitt Romney: I love latinos, everyone should employ at least one whether it be for lawn care or laundry.

Or working on the roof of one of his mansions or installing his car elevator.

8 erik_t  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:49:39am

re: #6 reflections of a raging redneck

How is self-deportation supposed to work?

If you can't find a job, you just spend a few thousand dollars moving you, your family and all of your worldly possessions a few hundred or thousand miles to a different country where you can start your search again. What's not to understand?

/

9 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:49:54am

Mitt Romney on Latinos:

“My dad, as you probably know, was the governor of Michigan and was the head of a car company. But he was born in Mexico… and had he been born of, uh, Mexican parents, I’d have a better shot at winning this. But he was unfortunately born to Americans living in Mexico. He lived there for a number of years. I mean, I say that jokingly, but it would be helpful to be Latino.”

10 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:50:45am

re: #6 reflections of a raging redneck

How is self-deportation supposed to work?

And did the RW survey all of the illegals to see if they'd kindly self-deport?

You make it so uncomfortable that they decide to leave on their own.

Mitt Romney successfully used this tactic to get rid of one of his gay staff members.

11 jaunte  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:51:17am

"But my son Craig speaks Spanish!"

12 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:54:09am

re: #9 Kragar

Mitt Romney on Latinos:

Maybe one of Mitt's grandfathers wives were Latino. Would that make her his step-grandma? In polygamist family's that must be hard to keep track of.

13 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:54:28am

re: #4 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Mitt Romney: I love latinos, everyone should employ at least one whether it be for lawn care or laundry.

14 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:55:18am

re: #6 reflections of a raging redneck

How is self-deportation supposed to work?

And did the RW survey all of the illegals to see if they'd kindly self-deport?

1. Spend money creating and enforcing laws that permit denial of basic services to suspected undocumented people, as well as incarcerate them.
2. Spend more money on legal defenses when implementation of these laws leads to civil suits stemming from civil liberties violations, wrongful arrests, and the occasional wrongful death.
3. Spend more money paying Corrections Corporation of America to incarcerate actual undocumented people for several months/years while the deportation papers get completed.
4. ...
5. Profit!

15 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:56:22am

re: #13 wrenchwench

I hadn't even seen that LOL.

16 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 11:57:16am

re: #15 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I hadn't even seen that LOL.

These things write themselves, with Mitt's help.

17 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:00:27pm

Ever seen The Music Man?

Kris Kobach is Harold Hill, except with hatin' Mexicans instead of orchestra instruments.

18 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:01:02pm

re: #5 lawhawk

See also: the parallel universe where Mitt leads all polls.

sounds like a sideshow exhibit

They Writhe, They Snarl, They Live In Denial! - See The Amazing Ignorance People From Darkest Wingnuttia!

19 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:01:43pm

Ryan: I Didn’t Explain Tax Math Because People Would Change The Channel

Paul Ryan defended his refusal to go into the specifics of Mitt Romney's tax plan during a Sunday interview, saying on Monday that he likes Fox News host Chris Wallace too much to turn off his viewers by talking math.

“I like Chris,” Ryan told Wisconsin radio host Charlie Sykes Monday, via the Washington Post. ”I didn’t want to get into all the math of this because everybody would start changing the channel.”

20 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:04:00pm

re: #19 Kragar

Ryan: I Didn’t Explain Tax Math Because People Would Change The Channel

He could be right, he was on Faux Gnus. The highest math they want to hear about is 2+2=5

21 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:04:52pm

re: #20 Eventual Carrion

He could be right, he was on Faux Gnus. The highest math they want to hear about is 2+2=5

Where is the Real Gnus?

///

22 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:05:35pm

re: #19 Kragar

Ryan: I Didn’t Explain Tax Math Because People Would Change The Channel

God's finger will make the math work. Actually showing the math works would be to doubt his power.

23 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:06:00pm

re: #21 Gert Fröbe

Where is the Real Gnus?

///

Africa of course

24 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:07:40pm

The joys of a cross country team:

Friday to the whole team: "Dont turn this option on until COB monday and you've verified everything is started properly."

Me today: "this doesn't look right... Did you guy's back East turn the updates back on?"

East coast: "Yeah, we were done for the day."

Me: "..."

25 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:09:55pm

re: #20 Eventual Carrion

He could be right, he was on Faux Gnus. The highest math they want to hear about is 2+2=5

No, no, no.

Everything equals Jesus*.

*David Barton Bizarro Jesus

26 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:12:10pm

Nate Silver has scary-nice numbers for 1 Oct.

[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]

We've got his new book The Signal and the Noise, but it's not my turn to read it yet.

27 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:14:05pm

re: #24 Kragar

The joys of a cross country team:

Friday to the whole team: "Dont turn this option on until COB monday and you've verified everything is started properly."

Me today: "this doesn't look right... Did you guy's back East turn the updates back on?"

East coast: "Yeah, we were done for the day."

Me: "..."

I'l bet you were doing this:
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28 erik_t  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:14:35pm

re: #26 Decatur Deb

We've got his new book The Signal and the Noise, but it's not my turn to read it yet.

I only dug through the first two chapters before a camping trip intervened. I've certainly liked it so far.

29 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:14:37pm

Well Mitt's done nothing to even slightly endear himself to Latino voters. "Self-deport" was such a stupid thing to say.

30 William of Orange  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:15:27pm

Here's your daily dose of Police brutality!

No matter what, just strike the first one you see with a water bottle... A cop gets sprayed with water (oh, it hurts! I'm melting, I'm melting!!) by a guy, just outside the picture. Enter a young woman who just happens to be the nearest person holding a water bottle. First reaction? Strike until she bleeds!! No asking what, just strike! I know it's hard to be a cop in this circumstances but here... Just one fucking bastard!~

Video here.

Youtube Video
31 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:19:31pm

re: #30 William of Orange

Here's your daily dose of Police brutality!

No matter what, just strike the first one you see with a water bottle... A cop gets sprayed with water (oh, it hurts! I'm melting, I'm melting!!) by a guy, just outside the picture. Enter a young woman who just happens to be the nearest person holding a water bottle. First reaction? Strike until she bleeds!! No asking what, just strike! I know it's hard to be a cop in this circumstances but here... Just one fucking bastard!~

Video here.

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That's a load of shit and I hope that video makes it into evidence in a excessive force/wrongful arrest lawsuit against the Philly police and that officer that surely should be forthcoming.

32 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:22:43pm

re: #30 William of Orange

Even if it was the right person, that was completely fucking out of line.

Cops who can't control their tempers should stop being cops.

33 dragonfire1981  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:23:08pm

More bad news for Mitt: A record number of Latinos are eligible to vote in this election

34 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:23:21pm

re: #30 William of Orange

Here's your daily dose of Police brutality!

No matter what, just strike the first one you see with a water bottle... A cop gets sprayed with water (oh, it hurts! I'm melting, I'm melting!!) by a guy, just outside the picture. Enter a young woman who just happens to be the nearest person holding a water bottle. First reaction? Strike until she bleeds!! No asking what, just strike! I know it's hard to be a cop in this circumstances but here... Just one fucking bastard!~

Video here.

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What the hell.

35 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:23:31pm

re: #30 William of Orange

Here's your daily dose of Police brutality!

No matter what, just strike the first one you see with a water bottle... A cop gets sprayed with water (oh, it hurts! I'm melting, I'm melting!!) by a guy, just outside the picture. Enter a young woman who just happens to be the nearest person holding a water bottle. First reaction? Strike until she bleeds!! No asking what, just strike! I know it's hard to be a cop in this circumstances but here... Just one fucking bastard!~

Video here.

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Damn. It wasn't her.

36 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:25:01pm

re: #33 dragonfire1981

More bad news for Mitt: A record number of Latinos are eligible to vote in this election

That's bad news for his party as a whole going forward. Of course, they'll make the same claims about Latinos and support for the Democratic Party that they do with African Americans whilst they ignore the fact that their own ignorance and know nothing attitudes are a big contributing factor.

37 dragonfire1981  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:26:28pm

In a desperate effort to appeal to Latinos, Mitt Romney has requested that a mariachi band be present at all his campaign events.

38 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:26:29pm

re: #30 William of Orange

Here's your daily dose of Police brutality!

No matter what, just strike the first one you see with a water bottle... A cop gets sprayed with water (oh, it hurts! I'm melting, I'm melting!!) by a guy, just outside the picture. Enter a young woman who just happens to be the nearest person holding a water bottle. First reaction? Strike until she bleeds!! No asking what, just strike! I know it's hard to be a cop in this circumstances but here... Just one fucking bastard!~

Video here.

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WATCH: Shocking video of Philadelphia cop punching woman in the face during Puerto Rican Day parade
Internal Affairs is investigating after clip was posted to YouTube; officer was previously exonerated for shooting and killing a convenience store robber.

39 danarchy  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:28:52pm

re: #31 Gert Fröbe

That's a load of shit and I hope that video makes it into evidence in a excessive force/wrongful arrest lawsuit against the NYPD and that officer that surely should be forthcoming.

According to the youtube description, this was in Philadelphia not NY. Unless you think they should be sued for being a bad example ;)

40 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:29:53pm

re: #39 danarchy

According to the youtube description, this was in Philadelphia not NY. Unless you think they should be sued for being a bad example ;)

Corrected...

41 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:31:03pm
42 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:33:15pm

re: #41 wrenchwench

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Love Brent Spiner...this tweet had me rolling:

43 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:34:41pm

Ryan: I Didn’t Explain Tax Math Because People Would Change The Channel

it's getting so that asking them to provide specifics just to watch them twist and writhe is getting to be the latest spectator sport

mitt will be asked this weds night and he will evade answering it

44 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:34:47pm
45 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:36:01pm

re: #44 Kragar

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Oh, FFS, Donald...not this (already debunked) shit again.

46 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:36:20pm

re: #43 engineer cat

Ryan: I Didn’t Explain Tax Math Because People Would Change The Channel

it's getting so that asking them to provide specifics just to watch them twist and writhe is getting to be the latest spectator sport

mitt will be asked this weds night and he will evade answering it

"Please explains how your tax plan works."

"That's what she said!!! (Nailed it!)"

47 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:37:33pm

re: #44 Kragar

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Ah Donald such a fine adviser for Mitt.

48 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:37:38pm

re: #44 Kragar

Romney going birther in a debate is not a good thing for Mitt Romney.

49 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:38:34pm

re: #48 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Romney going birther in a debate is not a good thing for Mitt Romney.

I hope he does go full Birther...it'd be the final nail in the campaign coffin.

50 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:38:42pm

Screen shot.

The red arrow points to a male wearing black shorts and a black shirt. The yellow arrow shows the water stream.

Image: Philly-Cops-Punch-Woman-in-.jpg

51 alinuxguru  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:39:29pm

re: #8 erik_t

If you can't find a job, you just spend a few thousand dollars moving you, your family and all of your worldly possessions a few hundred or thousand miles to a different country where you can start your search again. What's not to understand?

/

Maybe that is how Romney is going to cure the unemployment issue too. Poor people can self-deport to Canada, dropping the unemployment rate to near 0. Sheldon Adelson only needs so many gardeners.


re: #1 Kragar

Latinos are not a monolithic demographic. Latinos likely to vote Republican are likely to be first generation Cuban immigrants- a small subset of Latinos in general.

52 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:40:00pm

re: #48 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Romney going birther in a debate is not a good thing for Mitt Romney.

Oh, he should just go for it, bring up heat maps, layers, and everything else. It will make the finger of God that much more visible when Mitt wins.

53 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:40:39pm

re: #44 Kragar

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That question will sure let us know how Romney will fix the economy. Trump is so fucking stupid.
The only people that would impress are the birthers and Romney already has their vote.

54 kirkspencer  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:41:47pm

re: #50 Gus

Screen shot.

The red arrow points to a male wearing black shorts and a black shirt. The yellow arrow shows the water stream.

Image: Philly-Cops-Punch-Woman-in-.jpg

Watching the video, it appears she got splashed as well as she turns to look at the same time as the police.

55 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:42:04pm

re: #53 Tigger2

That question will sure let us know how Romney will fix the economy. Trump is so fucking stupid.

Youtube Video
56 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:42:46pm

re: #53 Tigger2

That question will sure let us know how Romney will fix the economy. Trump is so fucking stupid.

The ideal reaction from Obama if Mitt starts down that road would be to simply start laughing. That would seal the image in - Obama laughing at a major party presidential candidate going down the birther conspiracy road on national television.

Then he can wipe away the tear and seriously reply.

57 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:43:21pm

re: #54 kirkspencer

Watching the video, it appears she got splashed as well as she turns to look at the same time as the police.

Yep. Here's a blow up from a higher res shot...

Image: Philly-Cops-Waterbottle.jpg

58 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:43:50pm

re: #51 alinuxguru

re: #1 Kragar

Maybe that is how Romney is going to cure the unemployment issue too. Poor people can self-deport to Canada, dropping the unemployment rate to near 0. Sheldon Adelson only needs so many gardeners.

What do you know? You Linux people are always looking for something for free.

\

59 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:44:00pm

re: #55 Kragar

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Trump and Romney are just alike they both like to fire people.

60 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:44:09pm

re: #56 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

The ideal reaction from Obama if Mitt starts down that road would be to simply start laughing. That would seal the image in - Obama laughing at a major party presidential candidate going down the birther conspiracy road on national television.

Then he can wipe away the tear and seriously reply.

Youtube Video
61 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:45:11pm

re: #56 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

The ideal reaction from Obama if Mitt starts down that road would be to simply start laughing. That would seal the image in - Obama laughing at a major party presidential candidate going down the birther conspiracy road on national television.

Then he can wipe away the tear and seriously reply.

Then he would come off as condescending towards Romney, not really a good idea.

62 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:46:28pm

My cat just managed to break three things in five seconds.

63 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:47:48pm

re: #62 Obdicut

My cat just managed to break three things in five seconds.

Not bad. A dog could do it in 4 seconds.

64 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:47:56pm

I don't think Romney would ever go full birther in a debate. He's too cautious for that. Now passive-aggressive birtherism like what he pulled in Michigan when he said you need an American or some crap like that, yes, he will and has done that.

65 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:49:09pm

re: #59 Tigger2

Trump and Romney are just alike they both like to fire people.

And cause bankruptcies.

66 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:50:19pm

Looks like she did spray something but they ignored that at first. The punch response was for the water.

Image: Philly-Cops-Waterbottle-2.jpg

67 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:52:28pm

re: #65 reflections of a raging redneck

And cause bankruptcies.

And act like better businessman than they are and both are where they are because of Dad. Makes sense that Donald would be drawn to Mitt and vice versa. Like peas and carrots as Forrest Gump would say.

68 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:55:01pm

Cop Punches, Beats Down Man In Wheelchair

Youtube Video

This cop goes off on this drunk guy at a detox facility who barely slapped him in the face. Cop threaten to arrest the detox facility worker who tried to break it up. Cop's on leave and lawyered up. The drunk guy was charged with felony assault for that slap.

God bless America.

69 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:56:58pm
70 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:57:03pm

re: #68 Gus

Cop Punches, Beats Down Man In Wheelchair

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This cop goes off on this drunk guy at a detox facility who barely slapped him in the face. Cop threaten to arrest the detox facility worker who tried to break it up. Cop's on leave and lawyered up. The drunk guy was charged with felony assault for that slap.

God bless America.

This is why I don't give cops the BoD. Cops are people after all like the rest of us and fully capable of dickish behavior as anyone else.

71 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 12:58:15pm

re: #69 Gus

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Our vets deserve so much better. They really do. These men and women were and are willing to risk everything for us.

72 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:01:42pm

re: #66 Gus

Picture is too blurry, but kind of looks like she's holding up a phone in that one. Anyway, the appropriate response to being sprayed with water is not a full punch in the face.

You could tell from the reactions of all the other cops how much he'd screwed up. In a slightly better world, he'd have been immediately sent off and not allowed to keep cuffing her. But you can see all the other cops going "Oh shit" after he does that.

73 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:02:45pm

re: #72 Obdicut

Picture is too blurry, but kind of looks like she's holding up a phone in that one. Anyway, the appropriate response to being sprayed with water is not a full punch in the face.

You could tell from the reactions of all the other cops how much he'd screwed up. In a slightly better world, he'd have been immediately sent off and not allowed to keep cuffing her. But you can see all the other cops going "Oh shit" after he does that.

She's spraying something. Watch it over and over again at HD. You'll see something coming out of whatever it is.

74 kirkspencer  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:07:20pm

re: #73 Gus

She's spraying something. Watch it over and over again at HD. You'll see something coming out of whatever it is.

Yes, I think you're right -- five seconds and significantly to the left of the LT who turned around, pursued, and decked her.

In other words it's immaterial. It still leaves us with overreaction by an officer to an event done by someone else.

75 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:08:12pm

re: #73 Gus

She's spraying something. Watch it over and over again at HD. You'll see something coming out of whatever it is.

I still can't really tell. She's obviously jumping around, screaming, and causing a nuisance. Unlike the cop, she refrained from punching anyone in the face and dropping them. So she wins the self-control comparison.

Seriously, this was really dangerous. That kind of shit can start a riot. The cops can only police with the consent of the majority of the crowd. Not all the riot gear in the world can change that.

76 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:09:28pm

re: #74 kirkspencer

Yes, I think you're right -- five seconds and significantly to the left of the LT who turned around, pursued, and decked her.

In other words it's immaterial. It still leaves us with overreaction by an officer to an event done by someone else.

Yep. Probably silly string. Doesn't look anything came out though and we're just seeing a burst of remaining gas. Lets out a short burst jumping up and down. Cop next to her noticed and blew it off. Seconds later the guy in black throws the water at the cops and second later she gets punched for that.

77 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:11:55pm

Here's a law enforcement brutality case, I think.

A Border Patrol agent shot and killed a 32-year-old woman in Chula Vista, California, on Friday, but some witness accounts of the fatal shooting differ from those of the government agency.

According to Border Patrol, the agent fired into the windshield of Valeria Alvarado's car after she hit him with her vehicle and drove several hundred feet with the agent on the hood. "Fearing for his life, he discharged his weapon to get the vehicle to stop," Border Patrol Deputy Chief Rodney Scott told U-T San Diego.

At the time of the encounter, the agent was in the process of serving a felony warrant, but the warrant was not for Alvarado. It remains unclear why Alvarado struck the agent. He was dressed in plainclothes and at least one witness near the scene did not see his badge displayed.

After the shooting, U-T San Diego reported conflicting accounts from witnesses. One man recalled seeing the agent on the hood as he pulled the trigger, while several others said differently.

[...]

Even if he was in fear for his life, which is under dispute, did he need 5 to 10 bullets to stop the car? And how does killing the driver make sure the car is going to stop, anyway?

78 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:12:33pm

Some guy on Crooks and Liars is saying "IT COULD HAVE BEEN BATTERY ACID!" Or something.

[Link: videocafe.crooksandliars.com...]

79 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:14:52pm

re: #78 Gus

Some guy on Crooks and Liars is saying "IT COULD HAVE BEEN BATTERY ACID!" Or something.

[Link: videocafe.crooksandliars.com...]

Sure, if it turns out it was PURE CAPSAICIN MONKEY GLAND BUTT POISON, then things are different. But I doubt it. It's probably just another case of a cop flipping out.

80 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:14:58pm

re: #78 Gus

Some guy on Crooks and Liars is saying "IT COULD HAVE BEEN BATTERY ACID!" Or something.

[Link: videocafe.crooksandliars.com...]

Acid burns...
and so does the stupid.

81 William of Orange  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:15:07pm

re: #30 William of Orange

Here's your daily dose of Police brutality!

No matter what, just strike the first one you see with a water bottle... A cop gets sprayed with water (oh, it hurts! I'm melting, I'm melting!!) by a guy, just outside the picture. Enter a young woman who just happens to be the nearest person holding a water bottle. First reaction? Strike until she bleeds!! No asking what, just strike! I know it's hard to be a cop in this circumstances but here... Just one fucking bastard!~

Video here.

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That's quite something else than a mugshot...

Couldn't they have found a better picture of the cop in question??!

82 Lidane  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:16:43pm
83 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:16:58pm

re: #79 Obdicut

Sure, if it turns out it was PURE CAPSAICIN MONKEY GLAND BUTT POISON, then things are different. But I doubt it. It's probably just another case of a cop flipping out.

Bottom line is that if that cop wanted to punch somebody it would be that guy in the black shirt and shorts and not her. Even then it would have been an inappropriate response. She's got a case to file suit.

84 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:18:51pm

re: #82 Lidane

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And these bastards have the nerve to whine about ACORN. Physicians heal thyselves.

85 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:18:56pm

re: #83 Gus

Bottom line is that if that cop wanted to punch somebody it would be that guy in the black shirt and shorts and not her. Even then it would have been an inappropriate response. She's got a case to file suit.

$40,000 IMO

86 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:20:06pm

Man, reading the right wing news and blog sites is actually getting depressing, they're so freaking crazy and locked into their endless spiral of anti-Obama memes.

I can hardly believe it, but the big thing on Fox and every single right wing blog in unison is OBAMA LIED ABOUT LIBYAN TERRORISM! To imagine this to be true takes the weirdest kind of self-delusion -- it makes absolutely no logical sense, and any President would have been just as cautious about making statements before all the facts were in. George W. Bush did exactly the same thing. This is the responsible way to act, it's not LYING.

They're lunatics. Really. That's what they are. Complete lunatics.

87 dragonfire1981  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:20:52pm

re: #82 Lidane

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Here's the GOP response to the discovery of the fraud:

Republicans in El Paso County claimed that the video was recorded more than a month ago by a Democratic "campaign operative" and has been released now to damage the Romney campaign. But, Christy Lelait, Chairman for the El Paso County Democrats denies that charge to KOAA. "It's an interesting charge. I don't know of any campaign operatives here in El Paso County and I know for certain that the woman who shot this video is not a campaign operative, she's a volunteer with several different organizations including the El Paso Democratic Party and she's also a precinct chair."

88 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:20:56pm
89 Lidane  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:21:17pm

Sorry for the OT, but this was inevitable:

90 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:21:41pm

re: #89 Lidane

Sorry for the OT, but this was inevitable:

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Science!

91 dragonfire1981  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:21:51pm

re: #86 Charles Johnson

Man, reading the right wing news and blog sites is actually getting depressing, they're so freaking crazy and locked into their endless spiral of anti-Obama memes.

I can hardly believe it, but the big thing on Fox and every single right wing blog in unison is OBAMA LIED ABOUT LIBYAN TERRORISM! To imagine this to be true takes the weirdest kind of self-delusion -- it makes absolutely no logical sense, and any President would have been just as cautious about making statements before all the facts were in. George W. Bush did exactly the same thing. This is the responsible way to act, it's not LYING.

They're lunatics. Really. That's what they are. Complete lunatics.

There's a guy at work who comes in every day ranting on about the latest outrageous outrage. If it was on Fox News, he'll be talking about it.

92 Lidane  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:22:58pm

re: #87 dragonfire1981

Here's the GOP response to the discovery of the fraud:

"We would have gotten away with it if it hadn't been for you meddling kids!"

Christ. It's ridiculous and depressing when an entire political party can be summed up with a cartoon quote, but there we are.

93 dragonfire1981  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:24:26pm

re: #89 Lidane

Sorry for the OT, but this was inevitable:

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STAVER: The California governor and legislature are putting their own preconceived notions and political ideology ahead of children and their rights to get access to counseling that meets their needs. A number of minors who have struggled with same-sex attraction have been able to reduce or eliminate the stress and conflicts in their lives by receiving counseling of their choice which best meets their needs and religious convictions. This bill will harm children, stress families, and place counselors in a catch-22, because they will be forced to violate their licensing ethical codes.

Not only is there no research to support his claim that children benefit from ex-gay therapy, which actually adds to the stigma LGBT youth experience, but there is an epidemic of homeless youth because of family rejection, which the false promise of conversion therapy reinforces. Christopher Rosik, president of the ex-gay professional network NARTH, has promised the organization will support the legal challenge:

ROSIK: NARTH is saddened but not surprised by this unprecedented legislative intrusion and will lend its full support to the legal efforts to overturn it. [...] We fully anticipate that activist groups like Equality California will be back next year to see what further erosions of parental rights and professional judgment politicians and mental health associations will authorize in California and other states. Counselors adhering to traditional values cannot be blamed for wondering what other practices disliked by these activists are going to be targeted as “unprofessional conduct” in the future, particularly in states that have legalized same-sex marriage.

You know I...I may be wrong, but I'm not sure Jesus would be cool with that.

94 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:25:15pm

re: #89 Lidane

Sorry for the OT, but this was inevitable:

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Maybe they can sue to bring back electroshock therapy, balancing of bodily humours and trepanning as well.

95 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:25:27pm

re: #89 Lidane

Sorry for the OT, but this was inevitable:

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Weirdo commentator there...

Clay Stringer · Top Commenter · Calallen High School
So if a young boy isn't happy with his gender, we can turn him into a women. But if he isn't happy with his sexual orientation he has to learn to accept the way God made him?

Personally I don't think gay therapy is a good thing for children. But I don't think gender transition is either.

Wut?

96 Randall Gross  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:25:45pm

Latest wingnut outrage at the Daily caller : Illegal immigrants get foodstamps (as opposed to starving to death) and OBama's USDA officials met with Mexican Officials thirty times!( for a program started by Bush whose USDA officials met with Mexican Officials 121 times) The comment section is frothing with talks of civil war.

[Link: dailycaller.com...]

97 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:25:54pm

re: #88 Gus

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"The ladies" are focused on making sure Romney gets beaten. Some ladies have also heard that Gary Johnson supported Chuck Baldwin in 2008, which indicates he should be beaten like Romney.

98 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:26:11pm

re: #89 Lidane

Sorry for the OT, but this was inevitable:

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And the Republicans are always wondering why they are becoming more and more unpopular.

99 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:26:46pm

re: #95 Gus

Weirdo commentator there...

Wut?

Yeah what the fuck are they talking about? I also love the anti-gay people claiming that watching shows like Glee turns kids gay. My 11 year old kid brother watches that show and is far more into girls than I and our other brother were at the same age.

100 nines09  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:26:52pm

re: #30 William of Orange

Ah, Phlllys' Finest. Some things never change. The stories I could tell.

101 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:27:12pm

Interesting op-ed in the Times. Finally, another conservative in favor of "obamacare"

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

102 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:27:46pm

re: #96 Randall Gross

Latest wingnut outrage at the Daily caller : Illegal immigrants get foodstamps (as opposed to starving to death) and OBama's USDA officials met with Mexican Officials thirty times!( for a program started by Bush whose USDA officials met with Mexican Officials 121 times) The comment section is frothing with talks of civil war.

[Link: dailycaller.com...]

Do these assholes really want to live in a country that starves people to death? Don't answer that because they're the same people who think illegal aliens shouldn't get medical treatment even though it's not only the morally right thing to do but also the best for public health too.

103 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:28:13pm

Retweet!

104 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:28:56pm
105 cinesimon  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:29:03pm

My prediction of the right wing response: it's not 100%: Obama's in trouble!

106 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:29:31pm

re: #101 ReamWorks SKG

Interesting op-ed in the Times. Finally, another conservative in favor of "obamacare"

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

A rose by another name. Seriously, if ACA had been proposed and passed by a Republican president with a Republican legislature. They'd be bragging about it but because this is Obama's baby, it's terrible to many on the right.

107 dragonfire1981  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:29:34pm

Has any major politician proposed a hybrid solution to the illegal immigration issue?

It occurs to me that there's a middle ground between the extremes of "Deport them all!" and "Amnesty for everyone!"

How about a program whereby some form of punishment has to be served and then, upon completion, that individual becomes eligible for legal residency.

108 jaunte  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:30:32pm

I think after the election we're going to need an Affordable Mental Healthcare Act.

109 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:31:36pm

re: #107 dragonfire1981

Has any major politician proposed a hybrid solution to the illegal immigration issue?

It occurs to me that there's a middle ground between the extremes of "Deport them all!" and "Amnesty for everyone!"

How about a program whereby some form of punishment has to be served and then, upon completion, that individual becomes eligible for legal residency.

I think some have proposed that but here's the problem. The right has fought proposals like the DREAM Act tooth and nail. The problem is that they don't even seem to see many immigrants as human beings. You hear the more extreme ones actually comparing illegal aliens to rats and using very nasty language to describe them.

110 Interesting Times  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:31:40pm

re: #107 dragonfire1981

Has any major politician proposed a hybrid solution to the illegal immigration issue?

Only hippie environazis go for those.

111 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:31:54pm

re: #107 dragonfire1981

Has any major politician proposed a hybrid solution to the illegal immigration issue?

It occurs to me that there's a middle ground between the extremes of "Deport them all!" and "Amnesty for everyone!"

How about a program whereby some form of punishment has to be served and then, upon completion, that individual becomes eligible for legal residency.

How about a way to become legal that doesn't get smeared by the bogus word "amnesty"? Why punish folks who were brought here as infants? Why punish people who have worked here and paid taxes and raised children and grandchildren here?

112 Lidane  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:32:38pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

Donald Trump is still smarting from Obama making a fool of him.

If I was Barack Obama, I'd counter that question and ask Mitt Romney why he's listening to an idiot like Trump in the first place.

113 erik_t  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:34:03pm

re: #107 dragonfire1981

How about a program whereby some form of punishment has to be served and then, upon completion, that individual becomes eligible for legal residency.

The leadership on the right can read polls as well as we can. There's no support for any sort of eventual first-class-citizenship of any kind for that demographic.

114 nines09  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:34:25pm

re: #112 Lidane

Because Mitt is an idiot too.

115 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:37:02pm

re: #108 jaunte

I think after the election we're going to need an Affordable Mental Healthcare Act.

can you imagine the right wing freak out? They'd regard it as a brain washing program meant to control the masses. Of course I believe that best describes "Here Comes Honey Boo-Boo", "The Jersey Shore", and basically any "reality" TV.

116 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:37:06pm

re: #108 jaunte

CA has one, but unfortunately there's a "soak the rich" tax to pay for it--an additional 1% state income tax on incomes above $1MM. Combined with the proposed "schoolteachers tax" (prop 30) that would bring the marginal rate for CA taxpayers to a whopping 15.5%

117 Mich-again  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:37:11pm
This election is turning into a referendum on right wing racism and xenophobia.

And after they lose in convincing fashion, the TGOP will double down and move even further right because they will blame Romney's loss on the fact his conservative credentials were too weak.

118 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:37:52pm

re: #117 Mich-again

And after they lose in convincing fashion, the TGOP will double down and move even further right because they will blame Romney's loss on the fact his conservative credentials were too weak.

Exactly. They blame the messenger rather than figuring out that their message just plain sucks.

119 Randall Gross  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:38:00pm

Intel saying that the Libya thing was spontaneous came from CIA talking points and intel, but it appears cherry picked by an analyst or group of analysts.
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

120 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:38:14pm

Bush-Appointed Judge Upholds Obama Administration’s Birth Control Coverage Rules

T]he health care plan will offend plaintiffs’ religious beliefs only if an [] employee (or covered family member) makes an independent decision to use the plan to cover counseling related to or the purchase of contraceptives. Already, [plaintiffs] pay salaries to their employees—money the employees may use to purchase contraceptives or to contribute to a religious organization. By comparison, the contribution to a health care plan has no more than a de minimus impact on the plaintiff’s religious beliefs than paying salaries and other benefits to employees.

121 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:38:27pm

re: #114 nines09

Because Mitt is an idiot too.

I love this picture of Mittens.

Image: Hey_Ann.jpg

'Nderp

122 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:39:16pm

Why do some people refuse to face facts? The psychiatrists have figured out why - some information is processed in a way that it becomes sticky (their term):

Here’s the delicious irony of this post: Some of you will disagree with the content. Strongly. Vehemently. Passionately.
Angrily.

You are wrong, according to the facts. Yet you maintain a death-grip mental hold on some untrue myths. And you refuse to surrender your unshakable belief – even when evidence is presented to the contrary.

Why? Well, it’s basically how our brains work when it comes to persuasive urban legends and fabrications that perfectly suit our worldviews, according to a new report published in Psychological Science in the Public Interest, a journal for the Association for Psychological Science. Simply put: it’s cognitively easier for our minds to trust a lie – if it supports our deepest convictions – than it is to reject information that requires some mental sweat to assess.

The report, which explains why some pieces of misinformation are so “sticky,” was authored by a cognitive scientist and three psychology professors.

123 Randall Gross  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:39:28pm

re: #120 Kragar

Bush-Appointed Judge Upholds Obama Administration’s Birth Control Coverage Rules

Exactly what I've been saying all along - health care packages are part of compensation.

124 Lidane  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:39:29pm

re: #120 Kragar

Bush-Appointed Judge Upholds Obama Administration’s Birth Control Coverage Rules

RINO! No True Conservative! Eleventy!

125 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:39:41pm

re: #120 Kragar

Bush-Appointed Judge Upholds Obama Administration’s Birth Control Coverage Rules

Damn judicial activists. //

126 jaunte  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:40:09pm

re: #116 ReamWorks SKG

Unfortunately there's good money in keeping the right wing crazed, agitated, and shopping for bugout bags, EMP shields, and conspiracy books.

127 jaunte  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:41:39pm

re: #123 Randall Gross

[Federal religious freedom law] is a shield, not a sword. It protects individuals from substantial burdens on religious exercise that occur when the government coerces action one’s religion forbids, or forbids action one’s religion requires; it is not a means to force one’s religious practices upon others. [It] does not protect against the slight burden on religious exercise that arises when one’s money circuitously flows to support the conduct of other free-exercise-wielding individuals who hold religious beliefs that differ from one’s own.

Sanity burn.

128 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:41:44pm

re: #117 Mich-again

And after they lose in convincing fashion, the TGOP will double down and move even further right because they will blame Romney's loss on the fact his conservative credentials were too weak.

That's what I am afraid of and I think it's likely to happen. They're convinced that their problem is they're not conservative enough. Doesn't Limbaugh have a stupid saying that "Given the choice between a conservative and non conservative, people will always choose the conservative." It's just not true. I'll concede, we're more a center right nation than center left at this point but conservatism's current breed turns more off than on.

129 Mich-again  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:41:57pm

re: #120 Kragar

Great stuff. I can't wait to hear the counter arguments attempting to unravel the judge's explanation.

130 erik_t  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:43:11pm

Let's go ahead and stop taking this ticket seriously, 'kay?

WALLACE: If, just suppose, that the doubters are right, President Romney takes office and the math doesn’t add up.

RYAN: First of all, we’ve run the numbers, I’ve run them in Congress, they do. We’ve got about five other studies that show that you can do this.

WALLACE: OK, but let’s assume it doesn’t. The question is, what’s more important to Romney? Would he scale back on the 20 percent tax cut for the wealthy? Would he scale back and say, OK, you know, we’re going to have to raise taxes for the middle class? I guess the question is what’s most important to him in his tax reform plan?

RYAN: Keeping tax rates down. By lowering tax rates, people keep more of the next dollar that they earn. That matters. That is incentives. That’s pro-growth policy. That creates 7 million jobs. And what should go first...

WALLACE: So that’s more important than...

RYAN: That’s more important than anything. And more importantly, it’s not what deductions are in the tax code but it’s who gets them.

Low taxes for the wealthy: officially more important than whatever whatever deficit thingbobber.

131 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:44:14pm

re: #130 erik_t

Let's go ahead and stop taking this ticket seriously, 'kay?

Low taxes for the wealthy: officially more important than whatever whatever deficit thingbobber.

Low taxes for the wealthy above all. What a sad excuse for policy. Romney and Ryan aren't leaders. They're watercarriers for the wealthy who want the government to coddle them.

132 nines09  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:44:43pm

re: #121 Gus

I love this picture of Mittens.

Image: Hey_Ann.jpg

'Nderp

Hit every branch on the way down it looks. Or that number of hands up his ass has reached critical mass.

133 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:44:51pm

re: #120 Kragar

Bush-Appointed Judge Upholds Obama Administration’s Birth Control Coverage Rules

Secretly there will probably be a lot of conservative women and men happy about that ruling, no matter what they say in public. That's what drives me nuts about republicans.

134 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:47:41pm

re: #44 Kragar

In debate, @mittromney should ask Obama why autobiography states "born in Kenya, raised in Indonesia."

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 1, 2012

Because Obama might whip out a copy and read it aloud.

135 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:48:29pm

re: #127 jaunte

[It] does not protect against the slight burden on religious exercise that arises when one’s money circuitously flows to support the conduct of other free-exercise-wielding individuals who hold religious beliefs that differ from one’s own.

i thank the judge for this much-needed formulation

136 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 1:53:13pm
137 jaunte  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:01:16pm

Paul Ryan: Cut taxes first, balance budget later

"...Ryan admits that even if the math in their plan can’t work, that even if the tax cuts cannot be paid for by ending loopholes and deductions on the wealthy, he and Ryan would not scale back their planned tax cuts on the rich one penny. And don’t worry, this won’t explode the deficit, because just trust us, the revenues generated by the growth unleashed by the tax cuts will ultimately pay for the plan.

The consensus among many mainstream economists is that this is a “fantasy,” and as Jonathan Bernstein has noted, the same promise by previous GOP presidents has proven it to be magical thinking."

138 cinesimon  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:01:35pm

re: #133 Tigger2

E-fucking-xactly.
Infuriating.

139 aagcobb  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:05:02pm

re: #130 erik_t

Let's go ahead and stop taking this ticket seriously, 'kay?

Low taxes for the wealthy: officially more important than whatever whatever deficit thingbobber.

Ironically, that is the one thing which may make it possible for Obama to get a deal with the GOP to help the economy, because without his cooperation, the Bush Tax Cuts will expire.

140 kirkspencer  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:06:22pm

re: #116 ReamWorks SKG

CA has one, but unfortunately there's a "soak the rich" tax to pay for it--an additional 1% state income tax on incomes above $1MM. Combined with the proposed "schoolteachers tax" (prop 30) that would bring the marginal rate for CA taxpayers to a whopping 15.5%

I fail to understand how a "soak the rich" tax is unfortunate.

(not //)

141 Cheechako  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:06:36pm

Since the Bush tax cuts were designed to increase the wealth of the 1% so they could create more jobs, I've got just one question: " O.K. rich people, you've gotten much richer, we gave you the money, so WHERE'S THE JOBS?"

142 jaunte  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:07:32pm

Why Should I Pay Taxes On These Imaginary Lottery Winnings?

"...I need to look to my Role Model, Scrooge McDuck. What would he do? Would Uncle Scrooge dodge taxes by shifting his wealth into offshore? Would he spend time and energy paying for strings to connect to Politicians so he could work 'em like puppets to cut his Tax bill? Isn't Uncle Scrooge so rich he doesn't give a fuck about Anything, even Taxes? When I win my Lottery Millions, all I wanna do is help people, you know? I know there's been lotsa times I coulda used one of those Payday Loans, you know? That's helping, right? Being a Bank? Being There to lend somebody money so they can pay their credit card bill? Man, I wish I wasn't Rich sometimes, so I wouldn't be all caught up in Protecting my Wealth."

143 aagcobb  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:08:30pm

re: #111 wrenchwench

How about a way to become legal that doesn't get smeared by the bogus word "amnesty"? Why punish folks who were brought here as infants? Why punish people who have worked here and paid taxes and raised children and grandchildren here?

Because shut up!/

144 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:11:28pm

re: #137 jaunte

Paul Ryan: Cut taxes first, balance budget later

That is exactly what Bush the Lesser told us his tax cuts to the rich would do. In reality it caused exactly the opposite, job losses as far as the eye could see.

145 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:13:39pm

re: #144 Eventual Carrion

That is exactly what Bush the Lesser told us his tax cuts to the rich would do. In reality it caused exactly the opposite, job losses as far as the eye could see.

That's the only way a republican can run anymore and get any vote, If they gave specifics no one would vote for them.

146 darthstar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:17:26pm

Play this drinking game and you'll pee like a horse.

147 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:17:44pm
148 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:20:23pm

re: #147 Gus

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The judge.

Richard Joseph Sullivan (born 1964) is a judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. Nominated by President George W. Bush on February 15, 2007 to fill the seat of the retired Judge Michael B. Mukasey, Sullivan was confirmed by the U.S. Senate on June 28, 2007, and received his commission on August 1, 2007.

149 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:24:48pm

re: #147 Gus

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ACTIVIST LIBER....

re: #148 Gus

The judge.

Richard Joseph Sullivan (born 1964) is a judge of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York. Nominated by President George W. Bush on February 15, 2007 to fill the seat of the retired Judge Michael B. Mukasey, Sullivan was confirmed by the U.S. Senate on June 28, 2007, and received his commission on August 1, 2007.

Fuck.
/wingnut

150 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:25:48pm
151 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:29:12pm

Related-
Tea Party Is Done
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

152 jaunte  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:33:00pm

re: #150 Gus

Rush Limbaugh:

"If Obama wins, let me tell you what it's the end of: The Republican Party," Limbaugh said. "There's gonna be a third party that's gonna be oriented toward conservatism.... I know if Obama wins, the Republican Party is gonna try to maneuver things so conservatives get blamed."

The man is psychic!

153 erik_t  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:33:56pm

ahahahahahahahahaha

Red Sox Fan Romney Invested In The Yankees
The former Mass. governor had an undisclosed share in the Yankee empire in 2007. The stake appears to have been sold off by 2012.

Many of his best friends own a stake in the Most Hated Rival!

154 Lidane  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:34:30pm

re: #152 jaunte

And here I thought a Romney loss would mean that he wasn't conservative enough.

Who knew?

155 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:40:18pm

OT, but I need to get this off my chest. Snow White and the Huntsman was the worst fucking movie I have sat through since Gnomeo and Juliet. Thank god I only paid for pay per view.

157 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:43:23pm

GOP Focus Group: Undecided Voters Assume Romney’s Attacks Are Dishonest

For Republican strategists wondering why “You didn’t build that” wasn’t enough to push Mitt Romney into a lead while “47 percent” is breaking through, Haley Barbour may have answer for you.

Barbour’s firm Resurgent Republic conducted focus groups of blue collar voters in Ohio and suburban women in Virginia who supported Obama in 2008 but are now undecided. Both are swing demographics that Romney is working to win over in order to flip each state from blue to red.

Their findings? Voters are a lot more willing to believe attacks based around Romney quotes than they are on Obama quotes.

“Whenever we showed direct quotes from President Obama over the last few years, voters consistently say that this is probably taken out of context and they don’t seem to hold that same standard with Governor Romney,” pollster Linda DiVall, who conducted the Virginia focus groups, said in a conference call announcing the findings Monday.

158 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:43:24pm

Image: everybodyhatesmittsjksksksksksks.jpg

159 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:45:22pm

re: #153 erik_t

ahahahahahahahahaha

Many of his best friends own a stake in the Most Hated Rival!

OMG he has no scruples.

160 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:45:30pm

re: #155 Mr. Crankypants

OT, but I need to get this off my chest. Snow White and the Huntsman was the worst fucking movie I have sat through since Gnomeo and Juliet. Thank god I only paid for pay per view.


There is a fine art dedicated to watching crappy movies.

161 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:46:02pm

re: #157 Kragar

GOP Focus Group: Undecided Voters Assume Romney’s Attacks Are Dishonest

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

162 Lidane  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:46:18pm

re: #157 Kragar

GOP Focus Group: Undecided Voters Assume Romney’s Attacks Are Dishonest

“Whenever we showed direct quotes from President Obama over the last few years, voters consistently say that this is probably taken out of context and they don’t seem to hold that same standard with Governor Romney,” pollster Linda DiVall, who conducted the Virginia focus groups, said in a conference call announcing the findings Monday.

In other words, people have gotten wise to the GOP trick of taking something out of context and building a mountain of derp around it.

163 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:47:45pm

re: #157 Kragar

GOP Focus Group: Undecided Voters Assume Romney’s Attacks Are Dishonest

See #156.

164 darthstar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:47:45pm

re: #159 We're All Welfare Queens Now

OMG he has no scruples.

He had Scruples, but he found it more profitable to liquidate those and outsource any ethics he may have had to his money in the Caymans.

165 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:48:47pm

re: #160 Kragar


There is a fine art dedicated to watching crappy movies.

The reason I'm going to my father in laws to watch the debate. No fun watching disasters by yourself.

166 Lidane  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:49:17pm

Haha:

167 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:49:29pm

re: #162 Lidane

In other words, people have gotten wise to the GOP trick of taking something out of context and building a mountain of derp around it.

Image: liar-3.jpg

168 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:49:49pm

re: #157 Kragar

GOP Focus Group: Undecided Voters Assume Romney’s Attacks Are Dishonest

Well, shit.
I guess pathologically lying about your opponent has negative consequences.
Who knew?
/

169 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:51:05pm

re: #168 Varek Raith

Well, shit.
I guess pathologically lying about your opponent has negative consequences.
Who knew?
/

Now now, people should give Romney's statements a fair hearing and then conclude that they're massive, stinking lies.

170 erik_t  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:52:06pm

re: #169 Obdicut

Now now, people should give Romney's statements a fair hearing and then conclude that they're massive, stinking lies.

I prefer to wait for the Fact-Checkers to tell me so.

/

171 darthstar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:52:12pm

re: #166 Lidane

Haha:

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She should go out and campaign for Romney. He needs the help.

172 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:53:40pm

The official Mitt Romney Campaign Theme

Eve 6 - Leech

Youtube Video

Tell those stories to me
I'm dying to hear the things you've done and seen
Farfetched as they may be
You strike a smile in me
Your stories ring of perjury
Construed with self empowering theme

Suckin' on my brain you're the teacher I'm the student
Turning things around your story's not congruent
Tabloid decoys pitiful excuses
Turning things around
You're turning things around

A manic stunning scene
I'm taking notes your taking me away into your false reality
I know your comfort lies in lying to try to make your life make sense
But you're not making sense
With your two cents, you're...

Suckin' on my brain you're the teacher I'm the student
Turning things around your story's not congruent
Tabloid decoys pitiful excuses
Turning things around
You're turning things around

I'd say it aloud but I'm not allowed
I see your head spin round and round

Broken record talk tonight
Skip that needle back and forth on your mind
Wearing out unconvincing lies
Like a seedling dropped from an old oak tree
Your shade don't hide no sun from me
Fake stories humor me
It's graduation time
I love you like a mother

Suckin' on my brain your the teacher I'm the student
Turning things around your story's not congruent
Tabloid decoys pitiful excuses
Turning things around
You're turning things around

173 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:54:48pm
174 darthstar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:55:16pm
175 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:56:39pm

re: #173 Gus

[Embedded content]

21st Century Pinkertons.

176 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:56:59pm

re: #175 makeitstop

21st Century Pinkertons.

Another shot.

177 Mich-again  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:57:57pm

re: #144 Eventual Carrion

That is exactly what Bush the Lesser told us his tax cuts to the rich would do. In reality it caused exactly the opposite, job losses as far as the eye could see.

The first rule of Politics: If my idea didn't work, its because my opponents watered it down too much.

178 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:58:04pm

Holy shit. They actually have an LRAD there.

[Link: twitter.com...]

179 erik_t  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:59:15pm

re: #178 Gus

Holy shit. They actually have an LRAD there.

[Link: twitter.com...]

Wait. Um, what the fuck. I was up in the boonies over the weekend and apparently missed all sorts of stuff.

What the fuck is going on?

180 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 2:59:18pm

re: #178 Gus

Holy shit. They actually have an LRAD there.

[Link: twitter.com...]

Good grief.

181 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:00:01pm

re: #176 Gus

Another shot.

[Embedded content]

These are not the strikers you are looking for.

182 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:00:18pm

re: #179 erik_t

Wait. Um, what the fuck. I was up in the boonies over the weekend and apparently missed all sorts of stuff.

What the fuck is going on?

Daily Kos Labor digest: Workers at Walmart-contracted warehouse strike

183 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:00:43pm

Walmart Heirs Have As Much Wealth As Bottom 40 Percent Of Americans Combined

Concretely, between 2007 and 2010, while median family wealth fell by 38.8 percent, the wealth of the Walton family members rose from $73.3 billion to $89.5 billion…In 2007, it was reported that the Walton family wealth was as large as the bottom 35 million families in the wealth distribution combined, or 30.5 percent of all American families.

And in 2010, as the Walton’s wealth has risen and most other Americans’ wealth declined, it is now the case that the Walton family wealth is as large as the bottom 48.8 million families in the wealth distribution (constituting 41.5 percent of all American families) combined.

184 dragonfire1981  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:00:53pm

re: #182 Gus

Daily Kos Labor digest: Workers at Walmart-contracted warehouse strike

Dang I thought Wal-mart didn't have ANY unions.

185 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:02:26pm

re: #184 dragonfire1981

Dang I thought Wal-mart didn't have ANY unions.

They're not union, and if they stay that way they're SOL.

186 A Mom Anon  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:02:58pm

re: #173 Gus

WTF? For what they paid the armed contractors,they might have been able to cough up some better working conditions. This drives me nuts,for what companies spend trying to get out of doing the right thing they could have gone ahead and just done the right thing. AND retained good employees,and got company loyalty on top of that. AND been known as a great company to work for. WTF? Again.

187 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:03:50pm

Glen Beck, Defender of the Faith

Beck: Pelosi and Biden are not Catholics and Should Leave the Church

Don't tolerate someone who is not teaching Catholic doctrine. Go to your Bishop, go to your Cardinal, go to whoever will listen to you, but don't tolerate it!

I don't understand how, for instance, Nancy Pelosi can say she's a Catholic or Joe Biden can say he's a Catholic but he stands against what the Pope is saying. I've got news for you, if the Pope is telling you this is the doctrine of the church; if you disagree with it, go find another one and be who you really are!

188 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:04:29pm

Whats funny is I bet the armed contractors have a union.

189 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:04:36pm

re: #178 Gus

Holy shit. They actually have an LRAD there.

[Link: twitter.com...]

Wow, that's more than a little freaky. Walmart now has LRADs?

190 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:05:30pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

Wow, that's more than a little freaky. Walmart now has LRADs?

191 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:06:35pm

re: #183 Kragar

Walmart Heirs Have As Much Wealth As Bottom 40 Percent Of Americans Combined

This is not sustainable.

192 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:06:36pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

Wow, that's more than a little freaky. Walmart now has LRADs?

When you got the money, you use it. Its part of the trickle down economy.

193 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:08:04pm

For those who don't know, [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

194 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:08:12pm

Brazil.

195 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:08:35pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

Do these assholes really want to live in a country that starves people to death? Don't answer that because they're the same people who think illegal aliens shouldn't get medical treatment even though it's not only the morally right thing to do but also the best for public health too.

Yes, because "fuck you, I've got mine!", that's why.

196 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:08:51pm

Walmart! Keeping the workers in line with acoustic cannons!

197 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:08:53pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

Wow, that's more than a little freaky. Walmart now has LRADs?

Probably made in China. Cheaper, doesn't work well, but they have a great return policy.

198 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:09:16pm

A Necessary Move for Christians in America

There does not exist a reliable political party that purely represents the overall Christian agenda in America. We can neither ignore the overwhelming contrast to our Godly principles of the marriage equality and abortion rights agendas, which the Democrats strongly support, nor can we be oblivious to the arrogant, greedy, unsympathetic Pharisaic practices of the Republicans.

There will be a Press Conference to officially announce the establishment of the New Independent Christian Party on October 5, 2012 at 7:00pm at the Kingdom Empowerment Business Center, 3512 Bladensburg RD, Brentwood, MD 20722.

SPLITTERS!!!
/

199 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:09:17pm

WTF is walmart doing with a military-grade weapon?
Holy shit.

200 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:10:13pm

re: #199 Varek Raith

WTF is walmart doing with a military-grade weapon?
Holy shit.

Save money. Fight better.

201 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:10:28pm

re: #199 Varek Raith

WTF is walmart doing with a military-grade weapon?
Holy shit.

Tested in Pittsburgh against protestors.

202 aagcobb  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:10:29pm

re: #183 Kragar

Walmart Heirs Have As Much Wealth As Bottom 40 Percent Of Americans Combined

This is part of my problem with the whole 47% BS Romney was spouting. When workers wages are so low that they qualify for public assistance, what is actually happening is that the government is subsidizing the company by paying a portion of their employees' wages. If the 1% don't want their employees on public assistance, they need to pay them more fucking money so they don't need it.

203 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:10:51pm

re: #189 Charles Johnson

Wow, that's more than a little freaky. Walmart now has LRADs?

I know I have bought the last thing I will ever buy at WalMart.

What Walmart is doing is inexcusable.

204 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:10:55pm

LRADs are not just pain-inducing, they can cause permanent hearing loss.

205 jaunte  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:11:01pm

Worker rollbacks daily; discounts on broken eardrums.

206 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:11:13pm

re: #202 aagcobb

This is part of my problem with the whole 47% BS Romney was spouting. When workers wages are so low that they qualify for public assistance, what is actually happening is that the government is subsidizing the company by paying a portion of their employees' wages. If the 1% don't want their employees on public assistance, they need to pay them more fucking money so they don't need it.

This way the middle pays for the bottom, silly.

207 Kragar  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:12:09pm

HUZZAH!

My copy of "This Book Is Full of Spiders: Seriously, Dude, Don't Touch It" has shipped!

208 erik_t  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:12:34pm

re: #203 Tigger2

I know I have bought the last thing I will ever buy at WalMart.

I want to go buy one more thing at Walmart just so I can quit shopping at Walmart all over again.

209 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:13:07pm

re: #208 erik_t

I want to go buy one more thing at Walmart just so I can quit shopping at Walmart all over again.

lol

210 AntonSirius  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:13:18pm

re: #26 Decatur Deb

Nate Silver has scary-nice numbers for 1 Oct.

[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]

We've got his new book The Signal and the Noise, but it's not my turn to read it yet.

The climate change crowd is pissed at him about that particular chapter, but I haven't read it yet either so I don't know if they have a point or not.

211 Gus  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:13:37pm

Might not be private security. Listening here.

212 Mich-again  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:13:39pm

re: #187 Kragar

Glen Beck, Defender of the Faith

Beck: Pelosi and Biden are not Catholics and Should Leave the Church

And yet all the "loyal" Catholics in the GOP take the teachings of St. Thomas Aquinas, the greatest Catholic philosopher of all time, and throw it all in the garbage so as to not offend their creationist overlords.

213 jaunte  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:13:54pm

re: #178 Gus

Holy shit. They actually have an LRAD there.

[Link: twitter.com...]

Down here in the banana republics.

214 bratwurst  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:15:38pm
215 recusancy  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:17:11pm

re: #210 AntonSirius

The climate change crowd is pissed at him about that particular chapter, but I haven't read it yet either so I don't know if they have a point or not.

Who are the climate change crowd?

216 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:19:33pm

re: #215 recusancy

Who are the climate change crowd?

The Republican Party is the Climate Change deniers.

217 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:20:51pm

Here they come....

218 bratwurst  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:23:04pm

I can't vouch for the authenticity of this, but it is too good not to share...a letter from one apartment building neighbor to another:

Image: letter.jpg

219 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:25:05pm

Foreign trade zones...

220 dragonfire1981  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:25:53pm

re: #202 aagcobb

This is part of my problem with the whole 47% BS Romney was spouting. When workers wages are so low that they qualify for public assistance, what is actually happening is that the government is subsidizing the company by paying a portion of their employees' wages. If the 1% don't want their employees on public assistance, they need to pay them more fucking money so they don't need it.

While this is true, in a lot of cases even a pitifully low wage is considered too HIGH for assistance programs, leaving a lot of people on the outside.

If you worked 40 hours a week full time at minimum wage you'd be lucky to clear $1000 per month after deductions and that doesn't even include any health insurance premiums.

Heck rent, food and gas alone will eat up that whole $1000 FAST.

But where the's money for clothing, non-food common items (toilet paper, paper towels, toiletries, etc), utilities (typically NOT included in rent), car insurance, etc.

Even if you work a full time job AND a part time job and put in 60 hours a week (40 at one and 20 at the other) you'd still be lucky to come away with $1500/month (which equals a yearly rate of $18000). Now you might be able to keep your head barely above water at $1500/month but you'd have no room for any kind of savings, nor extra funds for any emergencies that may arise.

When the notion of raising the minimum wage comes up, the corporate side always comes back with: "that will just force us to raise prices and cut into our profit margins" and since the corporations virtually own the government, they get their way.

I think it's pretty obvious that companies see their employees as just another ledger item that can be cut at will in the quest for greater profits. This is why full time positions are disappearing in favor of part time or temp jobs. This is why insurance and other benefits are either being scaled back or eliminated. This is why employees are expected to constantly increase productivity without any promise of wage increases or other reward for doing so.

221 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:25:54pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

LRADs are not just pain-inducing, they can cause permanent hearing loss.

Walmart didn't build that.

222 AntonSirius  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:34:43pm

re: #117 Mich-again

And after they lose in convincing fashion, the TGOP will double down and move even further right because they will blame Romney's loss on the fact his conservative credentials were too weak.

It took 16 years for the Goldwater wing of the party to emerge triumphant with Reagan as their standard-bearer after the thrashing they took in '64.

It could take 16 years post-Bush to cleanse the GOP of that poison...

223 AntonSirius  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:36:17pm

re: #215 recusancy

Who are the climate change crowd?

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

224 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:40:45pm

55 years ago today...

225 Mich-again  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:42:16pm

re: #222 AntonSirius

It could take 16 years post-Bush to cleanse the GOP of that poison...

I think the GOP has lurched further right of GWB. Even he would be a RINO these days.

226 nines09  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:42:19pm

re: #152 jaunte

Rush Limbaugh:

The man is psychic!

Apparently Rush is unaware that the Republica Party is lying on a slab in a morgue waiting for someone to identify the body. Rush should know though, he helped kill it.

227 sagehen  Mon, Oct 1, 2012 7:52:29pm

re: #183 Kragar

Walmart Heirs Have As Much Wealth As Bottom 40 Percent Of Americans Combined

and then they have the nerve to wonder why we think a 50% inheritance tax is a good idea.


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