Tucker Carlson’s Daily Caller Doesn’t Even Blink, Just Keeps Hyping Absurd ‘BOMBSHELL’ Video

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Their HUGE EXCLUSIVE BOMBSHELL video fell to earth yesterday with a dull wet thud, but that isn’t stopping Tucker Carlson’s right wing site from hyping the fake story like rabid weasels anyway: VIDEO: Obama Speech Praises Wright, Attacks Feds on Katrina.

In a video obtained exclusively by The Daily Caller…

“Obtained exclusively” through the amazing journalistic technique of searching YouTube, where the video has been posted since 2007.

This will go down in the annals of Right Wing Fake Outrages as one of the pinnacles of puerile race-baiting, debunked within minutes of its appearance. Pathetic doesn’t even begin to describe it.

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1 Kragar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:11:11am

The video was exclusive, just like air or tap water.

2 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:11:21am

It was so easy to find on youtube: I typed in "Obama Hampton 2007." They call this exclusive?

3 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:11:28am

The conservative side at least used to have capable apologists--now they can't muster the brainpower of credibility of a Franklin Mint collectibles investment counselor.

4 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:13:34am

How is it unique or a bombshell if it was visible and discoverable (and reported upon) from 2007. What utter BS.

5 Jymn  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:14:12am

Hey Tucker Carlson, that old 'liberal bias' has got you under its spell.

6 Lidane  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:14:51am

When was Tucker ever a brilliant writer?

7 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:15:32am
8 Bulworth  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:16:21am

GAMECHANGE!!!! ///

9 Kragar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:18:44am

re: #8 Bulworth

GAMECHANGE!!!! ///

They've gone from tic tac toe to twister

10 Gus  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:18:50am

Yeah. “Obtained exclusively” cracked me up. Seriously? This is not even journalism. Not even close.

11 Kragar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:19:44am

re: #10 Gus

Yeah. “Obtained exclusively” cracked me up. Seriously? This is not even journalism. Not even close.

Did you spend hours searching through Youtube videos? No?

THEN JUST SHUT UP!
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13 thatthatisis  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:21:03am

This incident is just like when the right went nuts over a "blockbuster" video of Obama, then lead editor of the Harvard Law Review, introduced a speaker.

Dead cat bounce.

14 brennant  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:21:44am

This is so fucking stupid.

15 Randall Gross  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:22:42am

He's betting that this will still work with his key demographic: the white people in rural America with walkers and scooters who are internet challenged.

16 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:22:59am

Sometimes I wonder is this real? Are the right wing nuts in the media really using a five year old video of then candidate Obama to "prove" he's a radical and then act like this video is groundbreaking and new news? Are the Baltimore Orioles really competing for the American League pennant? I mean it feels so surreal.

17 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:25:21am

re: #14 brennant

This is so fucking stupid.

I think Tucker Carlson has tied his bow tie too tight for too long. The lack of oxygen caused a major brain cell die-off.

/Hey, its as good an explanation as any.

18 mr.fusion  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:26:20am

It is a little encouraging that NO ONE in the media took the bait on this coordinated racism exhibited by Drudge, Tucker Carlson, and Sean Hannity.

19 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:26:38am

re: #9 Kragar

They've gone from tic tac toe to twister

GOP Twister has no left though. And no red either.

20 erik_t  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:26:57am

Dull, wet thud? ZOMG I'M FAMOUS

21 Lidane  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:28:08am

re: #14 brennant

This is so fucking stupid.

Even other RWNJs think Tucker, Hannity and Drudge screwed the pooch:

22 nines09  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:29:10am

Fox announced journalism was dead a while back. In fact Hannity himself said it. They brought Tucker Carlson and his "bombshell" on to prove it.

23 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:30:01am

re: #18 mr.fusion

It is a little encouraging that NO ONE in the media took the bait on this coordinated racism exhibited by Drudge, Tucker Carlson, and Sean Hannity.

Two more and they can form Racist Voltron.

24 Lidane  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:30:34am

re: #18 mr.fusion

It is a little encouraging that NO ONE in the media took the bait on this coordinated racism exhibited by Drudge, Tucker Carlson, and Sean Hannity.

It's hard to take it seriously when the entire video has been on YouTube for over five years and when major news outlets, including Faux News, covered the speech when Barack Obama first gave it.

25 Kragar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:31:16am

re: #23 The Ghost of a Flea

Two more and they can form Racist Voltron.

Rush Limbaugh: "AND I'LL FORM THE HEAD!"

26 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:31:28am

re: #22 nines09

Fox announced journalism was dead a while back. In fact Hannity himself said it. They brought Tucker Carlson and his "bombshell" on to prove it.

The best part was Hannity clutching his pearls and saying this was ignored and covered up by the rest of the media essentially even though his own network covered the story when it was actually relevant news. I mean as Bill Clinton said about Paul Ryan, man you got to almost admire it because that takes brass.

27 nines09  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:33:25am

re: #26 HappyWarrior

The best part was Hannity clutching his pearls and saying this was ignored and covered up by the rest of the media essentially even though his own network covered the story when it was actually relevant news. I mean as Bill Clinton said about Paul Ryan, man you got to almost admire it because that takes brass.

When you lie so much you can't stop you get a Sean Hannity. When others join you you get the Cult AKA the GOP.

28 Lidane  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:33:36am

re: #23 The Ghost of a Flea

Two more and they can form Racist Voltron.

Sean Hannity even has the voice for Racist Voltron ready to go:

Hannity Channels His Inner Black Man

If you never thought you’d get a chance to hear Sean Hannity impersonating Al Gore impersonating a black preacher to make a point about how Barack Obama talks too black, well your moment has finally arrived.

29 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:34:03am

re: #25 Kragar

Rush Limbaugh: "AND I'LL FORM THE HEAD COLOSSAL FLABBY ASS PRESENT IN LIEU OF A HEAD!"

Not that Rush would actually use the word "lieu."

30 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:34:34am

Didn't the boy who cried wolf eventually get eaten?

31 nines09  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:34:51am

re: #26 HappyWarrior

Admire Sean? I'll pass.

32 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:36:06am

re: #28 Lidane

Sean Hannity even has the voice for Racist Voltron ready to go:

Hannity Channels His Inner Black Man

I couldn't watch all of that because I would have had a heart attack from laughing at Hannity so much. What a pathetic loser.

33 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:36:22am

re: #31 nines09

Admire Sean? I'll pass.

Haha I did include "almost."

34 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:36:45am

re: #23 The Ghost of a Flea

Two more and they can form Racist Voltron.

Well, they can replace the Black Lion with a White Lion...

///

35 darthstar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:37:23am

Speaking of annoying...they're testing the tsunami warning sirens right now...I picked a hell of a day to work from home.

36 nines09  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:37:41am

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Haha I did include "almost."

Admire and Hannity should never appear together in a sentence without other nouns.

37 Lidane  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:38:20am

re: #25 Kragar

Rush Limbaugh: "AND I'LL FORM THE HEAD!"

38 darthstar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:38:26am

Speaking of BOMBSHELL videos...

39 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:38:37am

re: #36 nines09

Admire and Hannity should never appear together in a sentence without other nouns.

Fair enough.

40 Kragar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:38:59am

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

Well, they can replace the Black Lion with a White Lion...

///

Dude, no one chooses White Lion...

41 blueraven  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:39:01am

Idiot Megyn Kelly was pimping this video today...explicitly the part where Obama talks about NO and the Stafford money vs Fla Hurricane Andrew.

They claim this is saying that Obama is claiming institutional racism.

What all of them fail to show is the part where Obama says..."I was asked if this was racial"..."No", he goes on to say "the response has been color blind in its incompetence".

42 Tigger2  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:39:16am

It's really hard to tell the difference between the Comedy Channel and Fox News most of the time.

43 Kragar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:39:37am

re: #37 Lidane

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Its like silvery or goldy, but made of iron

44 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:39:40am

re: #37 Lidane

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I think Rush was talking about what he's done every single day for the last 20 plus years there.

45 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:40:13am

Haha! Black preacher voice...f-ing racist.
Sean Hannity is a bigger loser than I thought.
And that is saying a lot.

46 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:40:21am

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

Well, they can replace the Black Lion with a White Lion...

///

Racist Voltron is all white lions.

47 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:41:16am

re: #41 blueraven

Idiot Megyn Kelly was pimping this video today...explicitly the part where Obama talks about NO and the Stafford money vs Fla Hurricane Andrew.

They claim this is saying that Obama is claiming institutional racism.

What all of them fail to show is the part where Obama says..."I was asked if this was racial"..."No", he goes on to say "the response has been color blind in its incompetence".

Yeah but it's so much easier to claim Obama was inciting racial hatred than to report the facts. Really, this is so pathetic. I would love it if Obama refused to ever talk to Fox News again until they stop acting like a right wing propaganda outlet and he told them as much.

48 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:41:23am

re: #37 Lidane

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The '#rorschachtest' hastag was used because my statement could be read two ways.

49 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:41:40am

WTF

50 simoom  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:42:03am

Politico's write-up on last evening's detour into white resentment politics:

[Link: www.politico.com...]

If the footage failed to impress, it may be because Sen. Obama's remarks were widely covered -- by Carlson, by Fox News, and by the mainstream media -- when they were made on June 5, 2007.

...

The speech was also covered by CNN, NBC News, ABC News, The Associated Press, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Chicago Tribune, and the Chicago Sun-Times, among others. Parts of the speech -- specifically, Obama's introduction of his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright -- would also be mentioned by reports in 2008.

...

Five years after the fact, and almost four years into Obama's presidency, it may be difficult for the outside observer to understand how a previously reported event could draw so much attention, especially given that it offers few bombshell revelations. The answer isn't Hannity or Carlson -- it's Drudge.

Despite providing only 2 percent of Americans with their campaign news, the Drudge Report continues to carry outsized influence -- because of his brand recognition and, in 2012, because he has a direct line to the Romney campaign. (When Drudge first posted a banner-headline for the video, the link re-directed to the Romney campaign donation page, and was subsequently pulled down.)

...

At 3 p.m. today, Drudge tweeted, "Curious tape dropping tonight. NOT from MOTHERJONES. Will cause controversy, ignite accusations of racism -- in both directions!", and it was off to the races. The "NOT from MOTHERJONES" meant to suggest the "curious tape" would create controversy to rival the recent footage of Romney telling donors at a private fundraiser that 47 percent of Americans didn't pay income taxes and would never vote for him. Smelling Drudge-level sensation, reporters, including yours truly, spent six hours in heated anticipation -- and all for naught.

...

So why rehash the race debate now? Some have suggested that Romney was trying to get into Obama's head ahead of the debate. Others saw it as a dog whistle masking itself as an accusation against a dog whistle (or, as Carlson put it, a "dog siren.")

Here's the kind-of-shady way the Romney camp is responding to it:

[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

Romney aides quickly denied involvement in seeding the video last night. They would not, however, publicly distance themselves from it either.

“Voters have to make that up,” Romney senior adviser Kevin Madden said on CBS This Morning. “They have to look at that video and have to make up their mind on that individually."

51 nines09  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:42:41am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

I'm not upset. I'm just sick of the entire right wing shit fest and the pandering clowns peddling it.

52 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:42:48am

re: #25 Kragar

Rush Limbaugh: "AND I'LL FORM THE HEAD!"

I was thinking another appendage.

53 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:43:01am

re: #50 simoom

Politico's write-up on last evening's detour into white resentment politics:

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Here's the kind-of-shady way the Romney camp is responding to it:

[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

The Romney campaign are such passive aggressive children. They're acting like this is a middle school student council election.

54 Lidane  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:43:09am

re: #49 Sheila Broflovski

And he's featured on Mitt Romney's campaign website, too.

55 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:43:21am

re: #46 The Ghost of a Flea

Racist Voltron is all white lions.

No, John Derbyshire says that Yellow Lions are fine too.

/Said in jest, but 'Derb' does say that as part of his racial hierarchy schtick.

56 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:44:07am

re: #54 Lidane

And he's featured on Mitt Romney's campaign website, too.

Of course, Romney campaign thinks Breitbart.com is a thoughtful right of center blog too.

57 darthstar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:44:37am

re: #48 Dark_Falcon

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The '#rorschachtest' hastag was used because my statement could be read two ways.

1. The rambling of a dittohead offended by any criticism of Rush Limbaugh
2. Someone who denies racism is a problem.

Is there a third way you were hoping for?

58 Ming  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:44:58am

I'm not happy to point this out, but I'm overwhelmed by how relentless the right-wing demonization of Obama has been, for years. Of course this is a silly little video that Tucker Carlson has. But I work in Maricopa County, Arizona, and I'm often reminded of how much people hate Obama.

I don't want to be too quick to underestimate how devastating the effects of this demonization can be. I'm very glad that in the Democratic National Convention, Michelle and Barack reminded us of who they really are. And shortly thereafter, in the 47% video, Mitt Romney reminded us of who he really is.

It seems unlikely, but I'm still concerned that if we now go back to "normal", the incessant dumping on Obama, that this may affect the polls. Again, I'm not predicting this will happen. But no matter how silly that video is, I don't want to just laugh it off. Right now, as I'm typing this, I happen to be surrounded by some very nice people, who (due to Fox News indoctrination) really despise President Obama. So I'm afraid we may need to view even this silly little video with some seriousness.

Believe me, I hope I'm wrong.

59 Kragar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:45:23am

Romney Campaign Encourages Voters To Consider Drudge’s Race Video

But given the opportunity to distance the campaign for this sentiment, Madden demurred, and said that voters should decide if the discussion is “relevant” to the national conversation:

NORA O’DONNELL (HOST): I want to ask you about that video that Jan just showed in her piece. A speech Obama made in 2007, which was covered by all of the networks who had reporters there at the time. Do you think that video is relevant?

MADDEN: Well, I think a lot of people — voters have make that up, they have to look at that video and have to make up their mind on that individually. I think what’s much horse important to this debate right now are the president’s policies. [...]

O’DONNELL: Kevin, Sean Hannity said last night he thinks this video is a bombshell. Do you think it is a bombshell and will the Romney campaign will use it in television ads as the Obama team has used that 47 percent video in television ads?

MADDEN: Well, I think that it was covered in 2007. I think a number of folks will continue to cover it today. How they cover it in that context I think a lot of that is up to individual voters and whether they think it’s relevant to the conversation that we’re having today. We believe as a campaign I think Governor Romney believes what’s most relevant are the president’s policies.

60 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:46:08am

re: #49 Sheila Broflovski

WTF

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Oh yeah, we got into it last night. His freak-out lasted for hours. He kept on yelling about "Obama saying racist things!!!!!!!!!" I asked him half a dozen times (and others asked him many more times) to quote a single racist thing Obama said.

He just ignored it and said "I can't believe you're defending him when he says racist things!!!!!!!!!"

61 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:46:31am

re: #57 darthstar

1. The rambling of a dittohead offended by any criticism of Rush Limbaugh
2. Someone who denies racism is a problem.

Is there a third way you were hoping for?

1. I was being critical of Rush Limbaugh.

2. I was being critical of Media Matters.

What I meant was #1 but when I'd wrote it I added the tag to see what the reaction would be.

62 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:46:38am

It's actually gotten to the point that the racism almost makes me laugh.
It's utterly ridiculous.
I would laugh, but mental illness isn't funny.

63 A Mom Anon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:47:41am

re: #28 Lidane

I think he meant to say Al Sharpton instead of Gore. Whatever though,those two assholes should be fired for this crap. This isn't "news",it's made up bullshit and they both know it.

64 Lidane  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:48:07am

re: #59 Kragar

Romney Campaign Encourages Voters To Consider Drudge’s Race Video

Of course they do. Racism and white resentment is all they've got left.

The entire RNC theme of hitting Obama on "you didn't build that" has fizzled. Mitt called nearly half the country moochers and victims. His stumbling around blindly during the Libya attacks showed his incompetence. And we're just over a month from Election Day and he STILL hasn't offered a specific agenda or plans for what he'd do in office.

The only thing left is to bait the bigots and the ignorant.

65 nines09  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:48:07am

re: #58 Ming

I'm not happy to point this out, but I'm overwhelmed by how relentless the right-wing demonization of Obama has been, for years. Of course this is a silly little video that Tucker Carlson has. But I work in Maricopa County, Arizona, and I'm often reminded of how much people hate Obama.

I don't want to be too quick to underestimate how devastating the effects of this demonization can be. I'm very glad that in the Democratic National Convention, Michelle and Barack reminded us of who they really are. And shortly thereafter, in the 47% video, Mitt Romney reminded us of who he really is.

It seems unlikely, but I'm still concerned that if we now go back to "normal", the incessant dumping on Obama, that this may affect the polls. Again, I'm not predicting this will happen. But no matter how silly that video is, I don't want to just laugh it off. Right now, as I'm typing this, I happen to be surrounded by some very nice people, who (due to Fox News indoctrination) really despise President Obama. So I'm afraid we may need to view even this silly little video with some seriousness.

Believe me, I hope I'm wrong.

You should see all the cute Romney Ryan posters out in front of houses in my little corner of the world. They are telling me more than I care to know.

66 Sionainn  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:48:59am

re: #49 Sheila Broflovski

WTF

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I had a black disabled veteran at the Obama rally tell me that a black person voting for Romney was like a black person voting for the KKK.

67 darthstar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:50:16am

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

1. I was being critical of Rush Limbaugh.

2. I was being critical of Media Matters.

What I meant was #1 but when I'd wrote it I added the tag to see what the reaction would be.

You were equating MM with RL. Throwing stones in glass houses. That's actually considered a defense (a weak one, yes, but a defense all the same)...it's magical balance fairy shit.

68 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:50:38am

At this point, I don't even think Herman Cain is voting for Romney...
//

69 Kragar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:51:09am

re: #68 Reverend Mother Ramallo

At this point, I don't even think Herman Cain is voting for Romney...
//

Last time they asked him, he said "NEIN! NEIN! NEIN!"

70 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:51:50am

re: #67 darthstar

You were equating MM with RL. Throwing stones in glass houses. That's actually considered a defense (a weak one, yes, but a defense all the same)...it's magical balance fairy shit.

Yeah, sorry DF, MM may not be perfect but they're not close even on a bad day to the racebaiting and slander master that is Rush Limbaugh.

71 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:52:35am

re: #66 Sionainn

I had a black disabled veteran at the Obama rally tell me that a black person voting for Romney was like a black person voting for the KKK.

That is actually much more accurate, seeing as how the R² campaign has been pandering to the Bigot Base.

72 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:52:43am

re: #58 Ming

I'm not happy to point this out, but I'm overwhelmed by how relentless the right-wing demonization of Obama has been, for years. Of course this is a silly little video that Tucker Carlson has. But I work in Maricopa County, Arizona, and I'm often reminded of how much people hate Obama.

I don't want to be too quick to underestimate how devastating the effects of this demonization can be. I'm very glad that in the Democratic National Convention, Michelle and Barack reminded us of who they really are. And shortly thereafter, in the 47% video, Mitt Romney reminded us of who he really is.

It seems unlikely, but I'm still concerned that if we now go back to "normal", the incessant dumping on Obama, that this may affect the polls. Again, I'm not predicting this will happen. But no matter how silly that video is, I don't want to just laugh it off. Right now, as I'm typing this, I happen to be surrounded by some very nice people, who (due to Fox News indoctrination) really despise President Obama. So I'm afraid we may need to view even this silly little video with some seriousness.

Believe me, I hope I'm wrong.

There are probably other closeted non-Obama-haters around you too. And even Arizona will not be able to fend off the demographic realities to come. Keep up the hope.

73 Kragar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:53:01am

Randy Thomasson: 'Gay Rights are Antithetical to a Free Society' and the 'Devil's Work'

Save California’s Randy Thomasson went on yet another anti-gay tirade while appearing on The Janet Mefferd Show, this time excoriating gay rights advocates for successfully pushing a new law in California that puts limits on harmful and discredited sexual orientation conversion therapy. He claimed that the Democrats who backed the measure decided “to do the Devil’s work” and “to go against religious freedom, against free speech, against the freedom to even love your own child and care for your own child.” He argued that LGBT people were likely abused as children but because of the new law, parents will be prohibited by the “completely insane” law from providing counseling to a child who survived sexual abuse.

74 darthstar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:53:18am

Dear Mitt,

This is a zinger:

Please make a note of it.

75 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:54:13am

re: #73 Kragar

Randy Thomasson: 'Gay Rights are Antithetical to a Free Society' and the 'Devil's Work'

I hate these people so much and I try like hell not to hate anyone but when they're in the business of demonizing my friends and family who happen to be gay, I get very angry and hateful.

76 darthstar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:54:45am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Yeah, sorry DF, MM may not be perfect but they're not close even on a bad day to the racebaiting and slander master that is Rush Limbaugh.

Stop oppressing white people!

77 erik_t  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:55:05am

re: #73 Kragar

Randy Thomasson: 'Gay Rights are Antithetical to a Free Society' and the 'Devil's Work'

Yet another delusional right-winger quite unclear on the concept of 'freedom'.

78 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:55:06am

re: #58 Ming

"Black people want to take everything away from white people" is never a message to underestimate. It's been a prime mover in American politics for two centuries.

79 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:55:10am

re: #74 darthstar

Dear Mitt,

This is a zinger:

[Embedded content]

Please make a note of it.

Haha indeed it is.

80 A Mom Anon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:56:15am

re: #63 A Mom Anon

And just to elaborate,if you're going to brand yourself"news",then FFS report the goddamned news. I kinda wish that was a rule that all broadcasters of any media had to follow,you want to be News,then report the news. If not,then be the Fox Pundit Channel,or Fox Opinion,or whatever.

I can remember when you had to actually have some training and a licence to be a broadcaster/host on the radio for example,and the public airways meant you had responsibility to the public. (and no,I'm not gonna yell about my lawn and you kids getting off it) This is just freaking obscene. Lies should not be allowed to be branded as news. period. It's fucking up the country.

81 nines09  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:56:53am

re: #78 The Ghost of a Flea

"Black people want to take everything away from white people" is never a message to underestimate. It's been a prime mover in American politics for two centuries.

If everyone has it there won't be enough for you.

82 darthstar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:57:00am

Tweetable.

83 erik_t  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:58:00am

re: #82 darthstar

Tweetable.

Text.

I couldn't believe the other day when the president's opponent said that the 47 percent of the American people who don't pay income tax just want to hang around and be dependent on the government, and you know, we just had to wean them off of that—because they didn't want to pay income tax.

Now, the guy with a tax account in the Cayman Islands is attacking other people for not wanting to pay income tax? I mean, you've got to give him credit.

Preach.

84 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:58:20am

re: #80 A Mom Anon

And just to elaborate,if you're going to brand yourself"news",then FFS report the goddamned news. I kinda wish that was a rule that all broadcasters of any media had to follow,you want to be News,then report the news. If not,then be the Fox Pundit Channel,or Fox Opinion,or whatever.

I can remember when you had to actually have some training and a licence to be a broadcaster/host on the radio for example,and the public airways meant you had responsibility to the public. (and no,I'm not gonna yell about my lawn and you kids getting off it) This is just freaking obscene. Lies should not be allowed to be branded as news. period. It's fucking up the country.

Canada has a law for that. And that is why there is no Fox News Channel in Canada

85 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:58:55am

re: #81 nines09

If everyone has it there won't be enough for you.

More than that.

There's the specific fear of black revenge.

86 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 10:59:16am

re: #80 A Mom Anon

And just to elaborate,if you're going to brand yourself"news",then FFS report the goddamned news. I kinda wish that was a rule that all broadcasters of any media had to follow,you want to be News,then report the news. If not,then be the Fox Pundit Channel,or Fox Opinion,or whatever.

I can remember when you had to actually have some training and a licence to be a broadcaster/host on the radio for example,and the public airways meant you had responsibility to the public. (and no,I'm not gonna yell about my lawn and you kids getting off it) This is just freaking obscene. Lies should not be allowed to be branded as news. period. It's fucking up the country.

Possibly, but who decides what the definition of "news" is?

87 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:00:08am

I've noticed a lot of Dem. signs around here (NE Ohio).
Not just for the prez., but state and local, as well.

The only people I've talked to who don't want Dem. signs in their yards are the people in areas that lean more to the right.

Why, because their lovely neighbors speak so poorly about Democrats, that their spawn vandalizes the yards with Dem. signs, or just kicks them over.

Usually, these are elderly folks.

88 nines09  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:00:13am

re: #85 The Ghost of a Flea

More than that.

There's the specific fear of black revenge.

Not nice to run into yourself?

89 Tigger2  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:00:59am

re: #78 The Ghost of a Flea

"Black people want to take everything away from white people" is never a message to underestimate. It's been a prime mover in American politics for two centuries.

And it is being delivered to a smaller and smaller demographic everytime they use it.

90 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:01:13am

re: #74 darthstar

Dear Mitt,

This is a zinger:

[Embedded content]

Please make a note of it.

Mitt should practice being the zingee. Nobody like that pouty hurt look. He has to try to laugh 'em off.

91 A Mom Anon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:02:37am

re: #86 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Why not go back to at least some basic journalistic standards? There was a time when there were some. And how about not lying out your ass about what's going on,or selectively editing videos? There are some places to start here,it's not like we've never had actual news and journalism before.

92 darthstar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:02:40am

Best caption ever... "It's that dick from tee-vee!"

93 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:02:50am

re: #90 wrenchwench

Mitt should practice being the zingee. Nobody like that pouty hurt look. He has to try to laugh 'em off.

He can't though. His sense of humor sucks. Another reason why it's silly to compare this to Reagan and Carter in 1980.

94 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:03:28am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Yeah, sorry DF, MM may not be perfect but they're not close even on a bad day to the racebaiting and slander master that is Rush Limbaugh.

I didn't say they were. I said my statement could be read two ways. I didn't say both ways were accurate. The actual target was always Limbaugh, but I wanted to see how people would react to a ambiguous statement.

I did employ the Magical Balance Fairy, but only as a consultant.

95 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:04:22am

re: #93 HappyWarrior

He can't though. His sense of humor sucks. Another reason why it's silly to compare this to Reagan and Carter in 1980.

And one reason I might actually watch tonight. Heehee.

96 darthstar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:05:09am

Subtlety...you're doing it wrong.

97 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:05:40am
98 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:05:58am

Haha, this is hilarious. The Romney campaign paid to have #CantAfford4More to be put on the top of the list of "trending" topics on Twitter.

Unfortunately, it's not exactly going as planned. I've been watching for a good 5 minutes, and I don't think I've seen a single comment that wasn't anti-Romney.

99 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:06:14am

re: #95 wrenchwench

And one reason I might actually watch tonight. Heehee.

I'm watching the Orioles game and the new South Park. I may just get the PBP here though for the debate though.

100 Kragar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:07:36am

Skipping the debates tonight, I've got other plans

101 darthstar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:08:34am

Mitt Romney using his 'gay voice'...well, I hope he tries this zinger tonight.

[Link: gawker.com...]

102 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:08:36am
103 Tigger2  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:08:48am

re: #98 JamesWI

Haha, this is hilarious. The Romney campaign paid to have #CantAfford4More to be put on the top of the list of "trending" topics on Twitter.

Unfortunately, it's not exactly going as planned. I've been watching for a good 5 minutes, and I don't think I've seen a single comment that wasn't anti-Romney.

I liked this one.

You are literally paying for us to bash you. Aren't you supposed to be some sort of business savant?

104 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:09:11am

re: #100 Kragar

Skipping the debates tonight, I've got other plans

I may watch the latter part of it. I will miss the 3rd debate though, since it conflicts with Bears vs. Lions on 10/22.

105 Gus  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:09:54am
106 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:10:24am

re: #101 darthstar

Mitt Romney using his 'gay voice'...well, I hope he tries this zinger tonight.

[Link: gawker.com...]

"Oh, I'll take the pink one" Heh, he's such a douche.

107 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:10:33am

re: #84 Eventual Carrion

Canada has a law for that. And that is why there is no Fox News Channel in Canada

Sun is the Fox of Canada. They bullshit just as much.

108 darthstar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:11:16am

re: #106 HappyWarrior

"Oh, I'll take the pink one" Heh, he's such a douche.

And Gawker's got a new mole at Fox? How cool is that?

109 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:12:13am

re: #108 darthstar

And Gawker's got a new mole at Fox? How cool is that?

I thought I had seen the actual clip to this somewhere.

110 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:14:29am

re: #91 A Mom Anon

Why not go back to at least some basic journalistic standards? There was a time when there were some. And how about not lying out your ass about what's going on,or selectively editing videos? There are some places to start here,it's not like we've never had actual news and journalism before.

For one thing the media spectrum is much more open. The internet and other formats have moved things far beyond a city or town having 1 or 2 newspapers and a small number of TV stations. A heightened sense of competition combined with the realization that media presentation (including news) is looking for eyeballs in order to make money rather than worry much about principles and higher (than legally mandated) standards. Beyond this the various presenters are less and less locally owned as compared to simply being the local tentacle of a larger conglomerate. Driven by syndication and least common denominator, not local interests.

111 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:15:52am

Part of the MBF's fee was that post a couple links to Glen Greenwald's epic-level hatred of America, to the point that he hates Democrats and Republicans equally:

Obama's Libya response highlights his foreign policy mentality
xtreme secrecy, extrajudicial assassinations, and a self-perpetuating militarism are driving Benghazi responses

Three new articles - one today from the New York Times, one today from Associated Press, and another on Tuesday from the Washington Post - describe the approach being planned by the Obama administration to the consulate attack in Benghazi. All three highlight the standard and now-familiar attributes of Obama's approach to foreign policy.

The Times describes how the Pentagon and CIA are "laying the groundwork for operations to kill or capture militants implicated in the deadly attack on a diplomatic mission in Libya", while "the top-secret Joint Special Operations Command is compiling so-called target packages of detailed information about the suspects." That could "include drone strikes, Special Operations raids like the one that killed Osama bin Laden and joint missions with Libyan authorities." The Post adds that "the White House has held a series of secret meetings in recent months to examine the threat posed by al-Qaida's franchise in North Africa and consider for the first time whether to prepare for unilateral strikes."

SNIP

(2) President Obama has repeatedly vowed that those responsible for the Benghazi attacks will be "brought to justice". That term is Obama-speak for: I will order people summarily executed without a whiff of due process or transparency, based purely on my say-so and my suspicions (just as it was Bush-speak for the same concept).

In other words, Obama "justice" means summary assassinations ordered in secret without a even a pretense of due process. As Glaser wrote, the reported Libya approach "demonstrates their preference to kill suspected perpetrators as opposed to apprehending suspects and carrying out a transparent trial in court, something the administration seems long ago to have abandoned in favor of night raids or drone strikes." Moreover, just as "terrorist" means "those the US government accuses of being a terrorist," the term "responsible for the Benghazi attack" means: those whom the president secretly decides is guilty.

DRONES!!1 DERP!!1

112 Lidane  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:15:58am
113 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:18:32am

re: #112 Lidane

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Hey, Yglesias, it's not cool to make fun of Sean Hannity's delusions. Okay, yeah it is.

114 darthstar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:19:38am
115 darthstar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:20:31am

Happy man. Happy woman.

116 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:21:36am

Gee, who'd have thought countless years of treating the country's largest minority as something less than human would come back to bite the GOP? Shocker!

117 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:23:14am

re: #116 JamesWI

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Gee, who'd have thought countless years of treating the country's largest minority as something less than human would come back to bite the GOP? Shocker!

Women?

118 darthstar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:23:20am

I don't think Wisconsin women are all that different from women in other states...if this trend continues, a lot of red states could be in play.

119 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:24:24am

re: #117 Sheila Broflovski

Women?

Um......aren't you a majority?

120 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:26:00am

So that was the attack on a Democrat, here's the attack on a Republican:

The true reason US fears Iranian nukes: they can deter US attacks
GOP Senator Lindsey Graham echoes a long line of US policymakers: Iran must not be allowed to deter US aggression

Every now and then, they reveal the real reason: Iranian nuclear weapons would prevent the US from attacking Iran at will, and that is what is intolerable. The latest person to unwittingly reveal the real reason for viewing an Iranian nuclear capacity as unacceptable was GOP Senator Lindsey Graham, one of the US's most reliable and bloodthirsty warmongers.

On Monday, Graham spoke in North Augusta, South Carolina, and was asked about the way in which sanctions were harming ordinary Iranians. Ayman Hossam Fadel was present and recorded the exchange. Answering that question, Graham praised President Obama for threatening Iran with war over nuclear weapons, decreed that "the Iranian people should be willing to suffer now for a better future," and then – invoking the trite neocon script that is hauled out whenever new wars are being justified – analogized Iranian nukes to Hitler in the 1930s. But in the middle of his answer, he explained the real reason Iranian nuclear weapons should be feared:

"They have two goals: one, regime survival. The best way for the regime surviving, in their mind, is having a nuclear weapon, because when you have a nuclear weapon, nobody attacks you."

Graham added that the second regime goal is "influence", that "people listen to you" when you have a nuclear weapon. In other words, we cannot let Iran acquire nuclear weapons because if they get them, we can no longer attack them when we want to and can no longer bully them in their own region.

True DARVO in play here folks:

Deny Iran is a threat to its neighbors
Accuse the USA of actively seeking war
Reverse Victim and Offender by solely focusing on what is perceived as American "militarism" and ascribe all US military actions to a desire for war. Ignore the "Death to America" chants and the mullahs saying "Israel will be annihilated".

121 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:26:35am

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

Part of the MBF's fee was that post a couple links to Glen Greenwald's epic-level hatred of America, to the point that he hates Democrats and Republicans equally:

Obama's Libya response highlights his foreign policy mentality
xtreme secrecy, extrajudicial assassinations, and a self-perpetuating militarism are driving Benghazi responses

SNIP

DRONES!!1 DERP!!1

Meanwhile the Western moonbats in Pakistan are afraid that Obama is going to use drone strikes on their peace rally....
Protesters ask Obama for protection from drones

In a letter to the President, Mr Stafford Smith references reports that he is responsible for signing off on strikes on particular targets, and makes the following request: “When I march into Waziristan on October 7th, 2012, please do not let the CIA kill me, Imran Khan, or the others - including many Americans - who will be marching with me to highlight the plight of the innocent people, including at least 174 children, targeted by drones in recent months and years.”

122 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:27:08am

re: #117 Sheila Broflovski

Women?

Women are actually a majority in America, as there are more women than men in the US.

123 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:28:46am

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Women are actually a majority in America, as there are more women than men in the US.

Even moar stoopid!

124 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:29:03am

re: #121 Killgore Trout

Meanwhile the Western moonbats in Pakistan are afraid that Obama is going to use drone strikes on their peace rally....
Protesters ask Obama for protection from drones

Pro Tip, Mr. Smith: Don't associate with the Taliban and Al Qaeda, and you won't get blown up.

125 darthstar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:30:11am
126 AntonSirius  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:30:53am

re: #25 Kragar

Rush Limbaugh: "AND I'LL FORM THE HEAD HOOD!"

FTFY

127 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:32:18am

re: #126 AntonSirius

FTFY

That's a good one. Upding.

128 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:32:27am

Looking forward to the debates...on c-span.
No time for bloviations.

129 darthstar  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:33:58am

Yes, it's 162 today!

130 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:34:12am

HA HA HA EPIC WIN

131 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:34:18am

Fox still hyping the BOMBSHELL VIDEO, Tucker Carlson on again. Not watching.

132 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:34:18am

re: #128 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Looking forward to the debates...on c-span.
No time for bloviations.

Politifact will be doing some live coverage so I'll keep a window open to them too.

133 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:34:37am

re: #116 JamesWI

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Gee, who'd have thought countless years of treating the country's largest minority as something less than human would come back to bite the GOP? Shocker!

No shit, you go from G.W Bush who for all his flaws was pretty good on understanding issues important to Latinos to Mitt Romney who associates with Kris Kobach and Joe Arpaio.

134 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:35:27am

re: #131 JamesWI

Fox still hyping the BOMBSHELL VIDEO, Tucker Carlson on again. Not watching.

This becomes more tragically hilarious by the minute.

135 Sionainn  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:35:57am

Watching Michelle Obama in Reno right now. She's so awesome!

136 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:36:12am

As much as I disliked GW, I never thought he was a racist.
Can't say the same for Mitt.
Birds of a feather, and all that.

137 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:38:08am

Hmm. I think my plan for this evening is to send my DF fortress dwarves to invade Hell. Almost seems appropriate.

138 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:38:08am

re: #131 JamesWI

Fox still hyping the BOMBSHELL VIDEO, Tucker Carlson on again. Not watching.

He's just happy someone is paying attention to him again.
Tucker, stop jumping on the couch !!!

139 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:40:08am
140 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:41:01am

re: #134 HappyWarrior

This becomes more tragically hilarious by the minute.

No shit, I've got a couple wingnuts who've moved on from the "never-before-seen" BS to the "media covered it up!" BS. If you point out articles from where it was covered, they just snort and say that the media didn't cover the whole speech, or translated means it didn't cherry pick the parts they view as "outrageous."

141 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:41:18am

re: #137 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Hmm. I think my plan for this evening is to send my DF fortress dwarves to invade Hell. Almost seems appropriate.

I didn't sell you any fortress dwarves. I did sell you that powered battle armor, but we agreed you would only use that to fight Socialism.

///

142 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:42:19am

re: #140 Targetpractice

No shit, I've got a couple wingnuts who've moved on from the "never-before-seen" BS to the "media covered it up!" BS. If you point out articles from where it was covered, they just snort and say that the media didn't cover the whole speech, or translated means it didn't cherry pick the parts they view as "outrageous."

That's just sad.

143 Lidane  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:42:22am

re: #139 JamesWI

And whatever you do, don't get them wet.

144 Tigger2  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:43:10am

re: #139 JamesWI

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Maybe he should just move them to Newt's backyard.

145 erik_t  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:43:13am

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

I didn't sell you any fortress dwarves. I did sell you that powered battle armor, but we agreed you would only use that to fight Socialism.

///

Watchout for the goddamned mandrills.

146 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:44:12am

re: #142 HappyWarrior

That's just sad.

Indeed, but I'm having too much fun gorging myself on schadenfreude.

147 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:47:58am

re: #146 Targetpractice

Indeed, but I'm having too much fun gorging myself on schadenfreude.

Yeah, sometimes you just have to laugh.

148 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:49:00am
149 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:49:54am

Doubling down on Derp:

150 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:49:56am

re: #145 erik_t

Watchout for the goddamned mandrills.

I am not worried about those mandrills, this is the kind of Mandrill I worry about. Only 30 tons with two LRM-20s. It's a beast. :D

151 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:50:29am

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

I didn't sell you any fortress dwarves. I did sell you that powered battle armor, but we agreed you would only use that to fight Socialism.

///

Wrong dwarves. These are wearing unpowered steel that they forged for themselves. Benefit of building a home in a place that had its own supplies of iron ore, flux stone, and lignite to make coke from.

152 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:51:18am

re: #149 JamesWI

Doubling down on Derp:

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That crazy fuck is even more crazy than I thought. Great job Missouri Republicans, you either have a terrific sense of humor nominating this lunatic for Senate or more likely, you actually think his ideas are good.

153 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:51:34am
154 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:51:55am

re: #146 Targetpractice

Indeed, but I'm having too much fun gorging myself on schadenfreude.

I know I'm overly tired these days, but I swear you said " having too much fun groping myself"

155 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:52:17am

re: #139 JamesWI

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I'd laugh my ass off if, win or lose, he did just that on the day after the election. Close Gitmo & give it back to the Cubans. Criminals should be in prison cells anyway.

156 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:53:56am

re: #151 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Wrong dwarves. These are wearing unpowered steel that they forged for themselves. Benefit of building a home in a place that had its own supplies of iron ore, flux stone, and lignite to make coke from.

Just upding me, 'cause you know it was clever.

157 Destro  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:53:59am

This video is not a bombshell it is a dog whistle.

158 erik_t  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:54:01am

re: #149 JamesWI

Doubling down on Derp:

I'll believe this story as soon as they can explain what a no-fetus abortion actually means.

It's a little confusing at the moment.

159 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:54:01am

re: #154 reflections of a raging redneck

I know I'm overly tired these days, but I swear you said " having too much fun groping myself"

That too, but not in public.

///

160 Lidane  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:54:49am
161 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:55:17am

re: #155 William Barnett-Lewis

I'd laugh my ass off if, win or lose, he did just that on the day after the election. Close Gitmo & give it back to the Cubans. Criminals should be in prison cells anyway.

Gitmo is still a working naval base, and the lease on that doesn't run out till 2043. No point in closing it before then. The base is useful for our anti-drug running patrols in the Caribbean.

162 Mattand  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:55:27am

re: #136 Reverend Mother Ramallo

As much as I disliked GW, I never thought he was a racist.
Can't say the same for Mitt.
Birds of a feather, and all that.

I honestly don't get the impression Mitt is overtly racist. Of course, he belongs to a church that didn't integrate until the late '70s, IIRC, so who knows?

His chosen political party? Dog Whistle Central. I wish more conservatives/Republicans would be a bit more honest and at least acknowledge there's a problem.

163 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:55:29am

re: #157 Destro

This video is not a bombshell it is a dog whistle.

Dog fart.

Everybody blames the dog anyway.

164 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:55:46am

re: #160 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Men getting hysterectomies is also a big problem.

165 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:55:55am

re: #158 erik_t

I'll believe this story as soon as they can explain what a no-fetus abortion actually means.

It's a little confusing at the moment.

Oh, dontcha know? Women love paying hundreds of dollars to have their uteruses (uteri?) scraped when they aren't pregnant. It's the new trend, like botox.

166 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:56:10am

re: #162 Mattand

I honestly don't get the impression Mitt is overtly racist. Of course, he belongs to a church that didn't integrate until the late '70s, IIRC, so who knows?

His chosen political party? Dog Whistle Central. I wish more conservatives/Republicans would be a bit more hones and at least acknowledge there's a problem.

I don't think he's personally racist either but I definitely believe he panders to racial bigotry which is something I wouldn't say about Bush.

167 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:57:07am

How the hell do you perform an abortion on someone who's not even pregnant? Really how that race isn't Obama and Alan Keyes in 2004 is beyond me.

168 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:57:46am

Oh, good grief.

169 A Mom Anon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:58:37am

re: #152 HappyWarrior

I think if you're a man in Congress pontificating about Lady Parts,then you should have to label the parts on a drawing,as well as explain menstruation,how a baby is made,how a baby develops,what an abortion actually is,what contraception does and let's throw in menopause too. If you get all those things right then you can yammer on about it. If not,you have to sit the fuck down,have a nice hot cup of STFU and go study the material til you pass the test.

He's creeping me the hell out with this shit. He spends way too much time on this subject to know so little about it. He honestly has no fucking idea what he's talking about,and yet he can't STFU about it. If I was Mrs Akin I'd be checking under his mattress,that locked drawer in his office,his computer and his phone. Something way messed up is going on there. Seriously.

170 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:59:40am

re: #169 A Mom Anon

I think if you're a man in Congress pontificating about Lady Parts,then you should have to label the parts on a drawing,as well as explain menstruation,how a baby is made,how a baby develops,what an abortion actually is,what contraception does and let's throw in menopause too. If you get all those things right then you can yammer on about it. If not,you have to sit the fuck down,have a nice hot cup of STFU and go study the material til you pass the test.

He's creeping me the hell out with this shit. He spends way too much time on this subject to know so little about it. He honestly has no fucking idea what he's talking about,and yet he can't STFU about it. If I was Mrs Akin I'd be checking under his mattress,that locked drawer in his office,his computer and his phone. Something way messed up is going on there. Seriously.

I want to see his elementary school transcripts because he's so painfully stupid.

171 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:59:47am

re: #167 HappyWarrior

How the hell do you perform an abortion on someone who's not even pregnant? Really how that race isn't Obama and Alan Keyes in 2004 is beyond me.

Remote possibility that a really crooked quack could convince women that they are pregnant and then charge for a sham procedure. Could also be a form of paperwork-only insurance fraud.

172 jaunte  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 11:59:48am

Akin In 2008: Doctors Give Abortions To Women “Who Are Not Actually Pregnant”

In a speech on the House floor, Todd Akin called it “common practice.”

There should be a category of ignorance that prevents a person from serving in the Congress.

173 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:01:56pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Oh, good grief.

[Embedded content]

So private insurance must be protected, but doesn't have actuaries good enough to detect that kind of blatant fraud? [headdesk]

Meanwhile, back in the real world, insurance companies are actually pretty good at sniffing out scams. So the whole thing is the same BS all over again: Akin lies to avoid saying things he and other evangelical conservatives don't want to think about, and when he gets caught he lies some more.

174 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:01:58pm
175 Lidane  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:03:43pm

Akin's Campaign Stands By Claim Of Abortions On Women Who “Are Not Actually Pregnant”

Rep. Todd Akin's campaign is standing by the Republican candidate for U.S. Senate in Missouri's 2008 claim that doctors commonly perform abortions on women who "are not actually pregnant."

Akin's evidence consists of a news report from 1978 and the claims of a former Planned Parenthood official, a spokesman said.

A news report from 34 years ago is his source? Are you fucking kidding me?

Why is this caveman being taken seriously now?

176 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:04:25pm

re: #171 Decatur Deb

Remote possibility that a really crooked quack could convince women that they are pregnant and then charge for a sham procedure. Could also be a form of paperwork-only insurance fraud.

Given how a number of abortion doctors have been killed/injured by righteous nutjob idiots it sounds like a riskier than normal way to make an illegal buck.

177 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:04:28pm

re: #175 Lidane

Akin's Campaign Stands By Claim Of Abortions On Women Who “Are Not Actually Pregnant”

A news report from 34 years ago is his source? Are you fucking kidding me?

Why is this caveman being taken seriously now?

Because the GOP wants the Senate, by any means necessary.

178 simoom  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:04:38pm
179 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:05:27pm

And since the topic of rape and abortion is up again, I'm going to post this:

Women raped by Sinai traffickers find help

he Sinai desert is a hub for people trafficking. Many of the refugees from sub-Saharan Africa who get smuggled through here get tortured and blackmailed in the process.

Bedouin gangs – instead of trafficking the refugees straight into Israel - often hold them captive, torture them and force relatives into paying ransoms for their release.

The ordeal is exceptionally bad for women. Many of them are raped by the traffickers and some become pregnant.

I met Tegisti Tekla from Eritrea in a shelter of the African Refugee Development Center in Tel Aviv. She eventually made it to Israel after a long and treacherous journey via Sudan and the Sinai.

SNIP

Tegisti says the first time she was raped the people traffickers selected her and another female refugee from a larger group and took them away saying they would have to make coffee for the smugglers. There would be several similar incidents during her treacherous trek across the Sinai.

When Tegisti finally made it to Israel she found out she was pregnant and decided to have an abortion.

"I would suffer all my life," she said. "I would have a son or a daughter without a father. That's why I decided not to have the baby."

And in case anyone is planning to ask if I'd deny Tegisti an abortion, my answer is: No. In a case like hers, abortion should be a legal option.

180 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:05:33pm

re: #177 Targetpractice

Because the GOP wants the Senate, by any means necessary.

They showed that when they nominated shit for brain Allen again here. Though as scary as it sounds, he probably was the most sane Republican running.

181 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:05:46pm

Todd Akin: The GOP equivalent of the "Obama Phone" lady, if the "Obama Phone" lady was an elected member of Congress.

182 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:06:12pm

re: #162 Mattand

I honestly don't get the impression Mitt is overtly racist. Of course, he belongs to a church that didn't integrate until the late '70s, IIRC, so who knows?

His chosen political party? Dog Whistle Central. I wish more conservatives/Republicans would be a bit more honest and at least acknowledge there's a problem.

And don't forget he was a bishop of that church.
He directly preached that bile. It was central to Mormonism.
I've read stuff written by ex-Mormons who say that it still is.

Is it still part of his belief system, who knows, but I find it hard to believe that anyone can change, to that degree, on a dime.

183 Patricia Kayden  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:06:36pm

Rightwingers are nuts. There's just no getting around it. They are a laughingstock.
Haven't read other comments, but wasn't it Carlson who revealed this video in 2007? How then can he be running it in October 2012 as something new?
The fact that Jake Tapper at ABCNEWS picked up this nonstory is disappointing.
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

184 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:06:41pm

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

And since the topic of rape and abortion is up again, I'm going to post this:

Women raped by Sinai traffickers find help

SNIP

And in case anyone is planning to ask if I'd deny Tegisti an abortion, my answer is: No. In a case like hers, abortion should be a legal option.

It should be like that in all rapes. Really, no way in hell do I have the right as a man to tell a woman who's been raped and traumatized, sorry you have to carry your rapist's child. That's a terrible burden.

185 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:07:29pm

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

And in case anyone is planning to ask if I'd deny Tegisti an abortion, my answer is: No. In a case like hers, abortion should be a legal option.

Why is it okay in a case like hers, but not in others?

186 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:07:45pm

re: #184 HappyWarrior

It should be like that in all rapes. Really, no way in hell do I have the right as a man to tell a woman who's been raped and traumatized, sorry you have to carry your rapist's child. That's a terrible burden.

I agree. I was just trying to pre-answer a question I thought I might get.

187 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:07:46pm

re: #182 Reverend Mother Ramallo

And don't forget he was a bishop of that church.
He directly preached that bile. It was central to Mormonism.
I've read stuff written by ex-Mormons who say that it still is.

Is it still part of his belief system, who knows, but I find it hard to believe that anyone can change, to that degree, on a dime.

Was his father ever a bishop? I only ask because his father actually from what I know was actually pro civil rights in the 1960's and took some flack from the church's hierarchy for doing so. Same thing with the Udall cousins.

188 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:08:13pm

re: #185 The Toast Of God Fload Jeas

Why is it okay in a case like hers, but not in others?

re: #184 HappyWarrior

It should be like that in all rapes. Really, no way in hell do I have the right as a man to tell a woman who's been raped and traumatized, sorry you have to carry your rapist's child. That's a terrible burden.

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

I agree. I was just trying to pre-answer a question I thought I might get.

189 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:08:21pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

I agree. I was just trying to pre-answer a question I thought I might get.

Yeah, good man. Really that's why I don't like the pro-lifers. They never try to empathize with the women.

190 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:08:28pm

re: #175 Lidane

Akin's Campaign Stands By Claim Of Abortions On Women Who “Are Not Actually Pregnant”

A news report from 34 years ago is his source? Are you fucking kidding me?

Why is this caveman being taken seriously now?

Not difficult. They think flat tires can be traced to a talking snake 6000 years ago.

191 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:08:45pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

They showed that when they nominated shit for brain Allen again here. Though as scary as it sounds, he probably was the most sane Republican running.

Seems like it's gonna be a down-to-the-wire thing here in VA. Hoping that Obama's good fortune rubs off on Kaine enough to get him across the finish line first.

192 calochortus  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:10:05pm

This seems to be a reasonable take on the "abortions for women who aren't pregnant" thing.

193 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:10:09pm

DANA IS DESPERATE

194 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:10:12pm

re: #191 Targetpractice

Seems like it's gonna be a down-to-the-wire thing here in VA. Hoping that Obama's good fortune rubs off on Kaine enough to get him across the finish line first.

I hope so. Kaine ain't perfect but I'd rather have him than Allen.

195 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:10:15pm

re: #171 Decatur Deb

Remote possibility that a really crooked quack could convince women that they are pregnant and then charge for a sham procedure. Could also be a form of paperwork-only insurance fraud.

What does the quack do, approach women in the street asking if he can do a pregnancy test? 'Hey babe, are you pregnant or just fat?'

It would be pretty hard to convince a woman she is pregnant when she isn't, so I don't give much credence to that idea.

The paper fraud is quite possible.

196 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:11:25pm

re: #193 Sheila Broflovski

DANA IS DESPERATE

[Embedded content]

Desperate is being kind. Another great hire by CNN though, along with ERickson and his "Indian accent" and "vaginal monologue" humor.

197 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:11:28pm

re: #195 reflections of a raging redneck

What does the quack do, approach women in the street asking if he can do a pregnancy test? 'Hey babe, are you pregnant or just fat?'

It would be pretty hard to convince a woman she is pregnant when she isn't, so I don't give much credence to that idea.

The paper fraud is quite possible.

I'm reminded of the South Park episode where Garrison gets the gender reassignment surgery, and then heads to the abortion clinic after failing to have a period.

198 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:11:32pm

re: #187 HappyWarrior

Was his father ever a bishop? I only ask because his father actually from what I know was actually pro civil rights in the 1960's and took some flack from the church's hierarchy for doing so. Same thing with the Udall cousins.

Yes, his father was pro-civil rights.
I don't know if the hierarchy gave him a hard time specifically, but I do know that the church was actively anti civil-rights.
Hell, they were actively anti abolition.

199 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:11:52pm

re: #175 Lidane

Akin's Campaign Stands By Claim Of Abortions On Women Who “Are Not Actually Pregnant”

A news report from 34 years ago is his source? Are you fucking kidding me?

Why is this caveman being taken seriously now?

He's too stupid to quit, and his supporters are too embarrassed to admit he's that stupid.

200 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:12:24pm

re: #195 reflections of a raging redneck

What does the quack do, approach women in the street asking if he can do a pregnancy test? 'Hey babe, are you pregnant or just fat?'

It would be pretty hard to convince a woman she is pregnant when she isn't, so I don't give much credence to that idea.

The paper fraud is quite possible.

I said remote. On the other hand one documented case would give the nutjobs a leg to stand on. Crooks are out there, and very creative.

201 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:12:51pm

re: #198 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Yes, his father was pro-civil rights.
I don't know if the hierarchy gave him a hard time specifically, but I do know that the church was actively anti civil-rights.
Hell, they were actively anti abolition.

I thought I had read somewhere the older Romney took a lot of crap for that. I can't see Mitt doing the same thing under those circumstances given how he's gone from being moderate on gay rights issues to using a Gary Bauer PAC ad accusing the president of forcing gay marriage on us.

202 calochortus  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:12:58pm

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

And in case anyone is planning to ask if I'd deny Tegisti an abortion, my answer is: No. In a case like hersin all cases a woman should control her own body, abortion should be a legal option.

Fixed

203 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:13:22pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

But you didn't answer it, Dark. Saying that it's okay in her case doesn't give us policy. You need to explain why it's okay in her case, and not in others.

Or you can avoid the topic, as usual, despite its great importance to the women of the US.

204 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:13:23pm

re: #178 simoom

[Embedded content]

Crap.

Always a possible side effect of any civil war - expansion outside borders.

205 jaunte  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:13:40pm

re: #192 calochortus

This seems to be a reasonable take on the "abortions for women who aren't pregnant" thing.

Her sources for her testimony range from an investigation in Florida where a lack of pregnancy tests for half the patients was taken by investigators to mean that the women who underwent abortions weren't pregnant, to a former clinic worker's testimony against a Kansas provider (an assertion that is missing in follow-up documents), and even the testimony from the Michigan ultrasound bill in 2005 (yes, that unspecified "anecdotal evidence").

So, the definite assertion is based on a questionable assumption and some anecdotes.

206 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:14:47pm

Ok.
BBIAB.
Don't have too much fun without me!

207 calochortus  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:15:01pm

re: #199 reflections of a raging redneck

He's too stupid to quit, and his supporters are too embarrassed to admit he's that stupid.

Sadly, Akin apparently tends to out-perform his polls in actual elections. The explanation I heard is that his supporters are really dedicated and will walk over broken glass barefoot to vote for him. People who don't like him aren't that committed so bad weather, or whatever might deter them from voting.

208 William of Orange  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:15:26pm

You want a bombshell video?


I asked: you want a bombshell video???


YOU'VE GOT YOUR BOMBSHELL VIDEO!!!

Here's:

PAUL RYAN'S VIDEO DIARY!

Is that a Nickleback poster in the background??

209 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:15:50pm

Folks, what I put in #179 was intended to highlight a real problem, not the fake problem Todd Akin DERPed about. I added that disclaimer at the end solely to answer a follow-on question I felt likely. I wasn't trying to imply other cases where I would not allow an abortion.

210 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:15:52pm

re: #190 Decatur Deb

Not difficult. They think flat tires can be traced to a talking snake 6000 years ago.

Snakes had legs a long time ago, so the Bible story of Genesis must be true.

211 calochortus  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:16:16pm

re: #205 jaunte

So, the definite assertion is based on a questionable assumption and some anecdotes.

Pretty much. That link wasn't intended to be a defense of the remarks, just an explanation of where they came from.

212 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:17:29pm

re: #207 calochortus

Sadly, Akin apparently tends to out-perform his polls in actual elections. The explanation I heard is that his supporters are really dedicated and will walk over broken glass barefoot to vote for him. People who don't like him aren't that committed so bad weather, or whatever might deter them from voting.

He would instantly become the Senate's craziest member if elected and that's with Rand Paul in that same body. Rand Paul, who would have voted against the Civil Rigths Act of 1964 is more sane than Akin. Sigh.

213 calochortus  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:18:08pm

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

Yes, rape is a real problem. I don't quite get the connection to the topic being discussed or why "in her case" was a necessary qualifier to the right to an abortion.

214 jaunte  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:18:23pm

Horrigan: The world discovers the weirdness of Todd Akin. Darn it.

"...For nearly a quarter of a century, we had him mostly to ourselves. He was that little barbecue joint that nobody else had discovered. He was a secret fishing hole we didn't have to share. We never knew what he would say next, but whatever it was, we knew that there was a good chance it would be ridiculous.

There was never anything as outrageous as the magical women-don't-often-get pregnant during "legitimate rape" claim that now has him in hot water. But if he started talking about Sunday blue laws or the evils of sex education or the dangers of the state licenses for day-care centers or any of the other social issues that came before the Missouri Legislature in the 1990s, Todd would safely go off the deep end and only the Akinmaniacs would notice.

He was kept pretty well bottled-up during his 12 years in the Missouri House. In those days, Democrats still controlled the House and moderation wasn't yet a sin within the GOP. Todd's views were so extreme that most mainstream Republicans rolled their eyes when he got up to talk."

215 simoom  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:19:48pm

re: #183 Patricia Kayden

The fact that Jake Tapper at ABCNEWS picked up this nonstory is disappointing.

IMO Tapper's promotion to ABC News' Senior Political Correspondent was one of the worst things to happen to that network's news coverage. His influence and his ear for Drudge-baiting headlines and news angles has heavily damaged the quality of their political coverage.

216 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:19:51pm

re: #211 calochortus

Pretty much. That link wasn't intended to be a defense of the remarks, just an explanation of where they came from.

You have to be cautious when dealing with an opponent dishonestly arguing that a weird aberration is general or typical of all cases.

217 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:19:57pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

That's quite the bit of pretzel logic to get choked on.

He's claiming that doctors are carrying out unnecessary procedures? Abortions that aren't abortions since they aren't doing anything in the first place, but are bilking the women out of money? And he does so with what proof?

And assuming arguendo that he's right that doctors are carrying out these "non abortion abortions", then the number of actual abortions done in the country is how much less than the generally accepted figures? Are we talking thousands? Tens of thousands? And if that's the case, where are the instances of prosecutions for bogus procedures or similar types of actions - or is that what he hopes to do going forward - prosecute doctors who carry out abortions and claiming that they had done bogus procedures in the past?

[facepalm]

218 celticdragon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:20:15pm

Enough. Somebody needs to call EOD and take this dud away before they get hurt playing with it.

219 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:20:36pm

re: #200 Decatur Deb

I said remote. On the other hand one documented case would give the nutjobs a leg to stand on. Crooks are out there, and very creative.

I made a point about how the right weights things in their judgment calls in a previous thread. This would be a great example of them weighting one illegal act well above the many legal women's health issues places like PP deals with.

220 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:20:50pm

re: #218 celticdragon

Enough. Somebody needs to call EOD and take this dud away before they get hurt playing with it.

Blow it in place.

221 b_sharp  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:21:52pm

re: #206 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Ok.
BBIAB.
Don't have too much fun without me!

No worries, both my hands are occupied.

222 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:24:46pm

re: #213 calochortus

Yes, rape is a real problem. I don't quite get the connection to the topic being discussed or why "in her case" was a necessary qualifier to the right to an abortion.

The connection was tangential, I admit. mostly the fact that I found the article on CNN today and thought it worthy of posting. "In her case" was more a reference to the fact that the woman in question had been raped. I support access to abortion in cases rape or incest, or to protect the mother from harm. In other cases I'm still trying to sort matters out in my head, so I felt the need to insert a qualifier.

223 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:25:33pm

re: #215 simoom

IMO Tapper's promotion to ABC News' Senior Political Correspondent was one of the worst things to happen to that network's news coverage. His influence and his ear for Drudge-baiting headlines and news angles has heavily damaged the quality of their political coverage.

Isn't he responsible for the quote 'Drudge rules our world?'

He should have his journalist card revoked for ever uttering those words.

224 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:26:46pm
225 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:27:37pm

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

The connection was tangential, I admit. mostly the fact that I found the article on CNN today and thought it worthy of posting. "In her case" was more a reference to the fact that the woman in question had been raped. I support access to abortion in cases rape or incest, or to protect the mother from harm. In other cases I'm still trying to sort matters out in my head, so I felt the need to insert a qualifier.

Look at it this way: A pregnant woman can sort matters in her head, and that's where it counts. It is never up to you.

226 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:27:48pm

re: #224 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

[Embedded content]

He's divisive because of people like Cupp.

227 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:29:38pm

re: #226 HappyWarrior

He's divisive because of people like Cupp.

I am listening at work and I can only imagine the looke on Tore's face while she was saying that. She basically spewed nothing but bullshit talking points straight out of the church of Limbaugh. Talk about throne-sniffing.

228 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:30:08pm

re: #225 wrenchwench

Look at it this way: A pregnant woman can sort matters in her head, and that's where it counts. It is never up to you.

I'm just going to drop the topic. It's being about me again, and I didn't want that. I was trying to be decent, though, I really was.

229 calochortus  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:30:46pm

re: #216 Decatur Deb

You have to be cautious when dealing with an opponent dishonestly arguing that a weird aberration is general or typical of all cases.

Of course. I obviously wasn't clear that I found the idea of abortions for the un-pregnant so weird that I wanted to find out from whence it was derived. Apparently there was an expose in the Chicago Sun-Times in 1978 which uncovered at least one illegal abortion provider who was also scamming women into believing that they were pregnant and performing procedures on them for profit. There are also the usual anti abortion converts who make anecdotal claims.

Unnecessary medical procedures are fraud and should be dealt with accordingly. They have no bearing on whether a procedure should be legal.

230 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:31:17pm

re: #224 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

"S.E. Cupp once again proves she's a complete moron on live TV saying Obama is the most divisive president. What a tool"

It's pretty obvious that Lincoln was the most Divisive President Evah, NTTAWWT. The Prez is keeping good company.

231 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:31:32pm

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

I'm just going to drop the topic. It's being about me again, and I didn't want that. I was trying to be decent, though, I really was.

I understand. And I wasn't trying to make it about you. I was just adding a thought to the thought process.

232 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:31:52pm

re: #230 Decatur Deb

"S.E. Cupp once again proves she's a complete moron on live TV saying Obama is the most divisive president. What a tool"

It's pretty obvious that Lincoln was the most Divisive President Evah, NTTAWWT. The Prez is keeping good company.

FDR too.

233 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:31:56pm

re: #231 wrenchwench

I understand. And I wasn't trying to make it about you. I was just adding a thought to the thought process.

Thanks.

234 calochortus  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:34:09pm

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

I don't agree with you on a lot of things, but I do think you're a decent guy.

235 Sionainn  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 12:37:24pm

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

I'm just going to drop the topic. It's being about me again, and I didn't want that. I was trying to be decent, though, I really was.

I believe you. I just want you to know that as a woman and a mother with daughters, it is beyond frustrating, not to mention insulting in many instances, when men have to "think" about their position on choice for women.

236 A Mom Anon  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 1:08:55pm

re: #233 Dark_Falcon

Maybe a good rule of thumb you could consider would be to trust the woman on this one. Regardless of the "right to life" movement's years of bullshit on this,women do not have abortions on a whim. It's a painful choice,not something we do so we can be selfish. The fact remains that it's a legal medical procedure between a woman and her doctor first and foremost. Everything else is secondary. I think you are a decent guy Dark but this isn't your business,nor is it anyone else's.

And if the right wing was serious about outlawing abortion,they've had the chance when they were the majority and they've never even attempted to do a thing about it.

237 simoom  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 1:11:54pm

re: #223 makeitstop

Isn't he responsible for the quote 'Drudge rules our world?'

He should have his journalist card revoked for ever uttering those words.

Here he is flogging the tape as the centerpiece of GMA's predebate coverage:
Image: Tappy.jpg

238 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 3, 2012 1:40:32pm

re: #215 simoom

IMO Tapper's promotion to ABC News' Senior Political Correspondent was one of the worst things to happen to that network's news coverage. His influence and his ear for Drudge-baiting headlines and news angles has heavily damaged the quality of their political coverage.

Totally agree. And he still has a reputation as a left-leaning reporter, which puzzles me.

239 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 10:45:50pm

Just a test.


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