Live Video: Presidential Debate 2012, Round One
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 3, 2012 5:58:28pm |
Wouldn't it be cool if Romney staggered in holding a half-empty bottle of Jack Daniels, hair wild, no tie.
You know, if he did that I would have no choice but to vote for him.
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Patricia Kayden Wed, Oct 3, 2012 5:58:48pm |
DANG, this is wracking my nerves! Hope Obama does well.
Americans sure know how to make their elections overly exciting. Don't recall Canadian elections being anywhere near as interesting.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 5:58:49pm |
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mr.fusion Wed, Oct 3, 2012 5:58:55pm |
I'm really looking forward to a thoughtful discussion centering around policies that affect me and my family on a daily basis a bunch of pre prepared zingers
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 5:59:23pm |
I love how this guy says Mitt comes out on top. With how awful his campaign has been, if he doesn't shit himself and forget his name, it'll be declared a victory.
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Artist Wed, Oct 3, 2012 5:59:27pm |
re: #9 Charles Johnson
Wouldn't it be cool if Romney staggered in holding a half-empty bottle of Jack Daniels, hair wild, no tie.
You know, if he did that I would have no choice but to vote for him.
I'm pretty sure he'd short circuit and end up spouting "DOES NOT COMPUTE" over and over.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 5:59:31pm |
I'm using the cspan feed, btw. The sync is different between the different feeds by a couple of seconds.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 3, 2012 5:59:48pm |
re: #12 mr.fusion
I'm really looking forward to
a thoughtful discussion centering around policies that affect me and my family on a daily basisa bunch of pre prepared zingers
Do you want the chocolate or the white cake pre-packaged zingers?
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Lidane Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:00:39pm |
re: #16 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Do you want the chocolate or the white cake pre-packaged zingers?
Chocolate, of course. Those are the only good Zingers.
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mr.fusion Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:01:03pm |
re: #9 Charles Johnson
Wouldn't it be cool if Romney staggered in holding a half-empty bottle of Jack Daniels, hair wild, no tie.
You know, if he did that I would have no choice but to vote for him.
Or if Obama came in with cornrows and a red bandana hanging out of his pocket with George Clinton's Chocolate City playing....really give Drudge something to aggregate
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:01:13pm |
"Some real human moments" the ABC talking heads are promising.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:02:04pm |
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:02:16pm |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:02:54pm |
Domestic issues. Anyone want to bet Romney finds a way to work in the "OBAMA LIED ABOUT LIBYA" meme?
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:03:09pm |
Laptop up, tv on, cellphone and twitter up.
GAME ON!!!!
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:03:28pm |
"Fifty bucks says the Smells' Romney kid picks his nose."
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:03:48pm |
Cracking knuckles in hopes of typing faster !!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:03:48pm |
Jim Lehrer. Because you have to be 80 to remember when the news tried to be fair.
— davidfrum (@davidfrum) October 4, 2012
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Kaessa Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:03:53pm |
About 50 million people watching right now. #highstakes— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) October 4, 2012
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:04:16pm |
Mitt looks very personable tonight. Like a man brimming with zingers.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 4, 2012
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:04:33pm |
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:04:47pm |
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:05:22pm |
Happy 20, Mr. President & FLOTUS.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:05:25pm |
I hear a freight train...
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:05:28pm |
re: #45 brennant
Drink!
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Kaessa Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:05:29pm |
Obama wearing a double-vented suit, a sinister indication of his intention to transform US into a European style welfare state.— davidfrum (@davidfrum) October 4, 2012
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brennant Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:06:06pm |
re: #48 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Sip...
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:06:09pm |
DAD (reading paper on podium)
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:06:16pm |
Why does Mitt look like he was shot up with botox?
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:06:32pm |
GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!GOLD!!
Why is Obama not giving us GOLD!! ??
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Kronocide Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:06:47pm |
No drinking games I'm still working. Have some respect for us Bootstrappers!
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:07:30pm |
Mitt goes right for the woman with the baby in her arms story.
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Tigger2 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:07:38pm |
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Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:07:40pm |
The jar is round, why not call it roundtine.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:08:12pm |
"My baby has scrofula, may I touch your hem?"
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:08:13pm |
re: #60 Charles Johnson
she's part of the 47% though.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:08:13pm |
Romney diving into the empathetic we care about your baby CHINA grocery list.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:08:16pm |
I haven't heard Ronald Reagan mentioned yet.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:08:17pm |
How is Mitt's "plan" going to give us jobs NOW?
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bratwurst Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:08:52pm |
Yes, thousands of small business people are going abroad because America is just not the place for them.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:09:00pm |
Trickle-down government. Actually pretty good line.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:09:14pm |
I have the debate streaming on a laptop while simultaneously reading LGF commentary. On my phone, I have a steady stream of lulz from Twitter. On my desktop, I have a video chat / debate watching / drinking game going with the woman-friend a city over, and and I'm playing Borderlands 2 at the same time.
Either this is amazingly awesome, or I have a serious problem.
Either way, someone just said "trickle-down" and as such I'm required to drink.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:09:32pm |
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:09:50pm |
Mitt looks ill..
Nobody said nothin about specifics!
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:09:56pm |
Mitt's plan to create more jobs is to imbue America with a magical sense of exceptionalism and self-worth.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:09:59pm |
Both these guys are coming off as less than elegant, already, in their speech.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:10:28pm |
re: #77 Charles Johnson
Mitt's plan to create more jobs is to imbue America with a magical sense of exceptionalism and self-worth.
Everybody gets a trophy!
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:10:35pm |
re: #78 freetoken
Both these guys are coming off as less than elegant, already, in their speech.
Tightrope walkers
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Blizard Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:10:36pm |
Drinking!
Dunkelweizen...I'm just not into it...
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:10:59pm |
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:11:21pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:11:21pm |
I have my proposed amendment ready:
The right of the people to enjoy free bits of food from the sample carts at Costco and Sam's Club shall not be abridged on account of the toaster oven not working fast enough.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:11:25pm |
If Romney doesn't get around to mentioning Ronald Reagan, the nuts are going to start riots and burn down Invesco Field.
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Gus Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:11:30pm |
re: #78 freetoken
Both these guys are coming off as less than elegant, already, in their speech.
There's a warm up process involved. Remember how Clinton's speech started out slow.
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jhrhv Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:11:31pm |
Obama is a visionary where it comes to energy. The sort of thing that will make for a better future. I hope everyone is picking up on that.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:11:41pm |
re: #80 Reverend Mother Ramallo
Tightrope walkers
Scared as hell about dropping a line that will feed the Super-PACs ammunition.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:12:18pm |
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:12:24pm |
re: #92 brennant
Tax relief? Isn't that a cut?
"I'm not talking a tax cut, I'm talking tax relief. There's a difference!"
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erik_t Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:12:37pm |
re: #86 Mostly sane, most of the time.
I have my proposed amendment ready:
The right of the people to enjoy free bits of food from the sample carts at Costco and Sam's Club shall not be abridged on account of the toaster oven not working fast enough.
Salivating at the sample cart is already covered by the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:13:15pm |
"When you account for growth."
BULLSHIT!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:13:19pm |
Do you know why everyone talks about the Middle Class?
Because the vast majority of Americans consider themselves Middle Class, regardless of their actual income.
Exceptions are people like Paris Hilton, who is well aware she is Upper Class, and Honey Boo Boo, who is fine being lower class, because that pays the bills.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:13:25pm |
"Get those money back to the states"
where they can spend it on abstinence and creationism education.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:13:28pm |
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jaunte Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:13:39pm |
"Taking in the same amount...when you also account for the MAGICAL GROWTH FAIRY"
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Opal Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:13:54pm |
Does it matter whether natural gas and oil is derived from private land? I'm not sure that it matters.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:13:58pm |
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:14:06pm |
Both are misleading about oil and gas.
The reason production is up is because the prices of fossil fuels increased greatly in the mid to late 2000's, which led to increased production.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:14:06pm |
Somebody really likes the word "CRUSHED".
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BillyCrims Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:14:26pm |
Rocky Anderson: "We need to renegotiate the outrageous free trade agreements and make sure they are fair trade"
Expanded debates - [Link: www.democracynow.org...]
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darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:14:34pm |
Romney's a mouth-breather. He's nervous and it shows.
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RadicalModerate Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:14:43pm |
Romney talking about that "clean coal" fantasy.
The Koch brothers' check is in the mail.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:14:50pm |
Romney: "I like coal. I'm gonna make sure we can continue to burn clean coal." There is NO SUCH THING as clean coal.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 4, 2012
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:14:52pm |
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:14:57pm |
Are those jackets and flag pins from the same tailor?
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:15:15pm |
Mitt is doing well.....if you ignore the fact that just about every thing he's saying is counter to what he said he was going to do a few weeks ago.
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grout Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:15:27pm |
Gary Johnson, Libertarian candidate, is giving the debate the MST3K treatment: [Link: www.garyjohnson2012.com...]
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darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:15:53pm |
Romney's smirking while President Obama speaks.
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Someone Please Beam Me Up! Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:15:58pm |
Reduce tax burdens on middle-class families while not increasing them on high-income families... but if you eliminate social security and medicare, you hurt the very same middle class. It's a puzzle....
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:16:07pm |
Mitt looks like he's trying not to smirk, and failing.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:16:21pm |
re: #131 darthstar
Romney's smirking while President Obama speaks.
I heard him make a few...laughburps. Weird noises.
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Interesting Times Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:16:24pm |
I'm watching CNN for the undecided-voter-real-time-squiggly-line-approval thing. So far, advantage Romney (ugh), mainly because of the men in the group.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:16:24pm |
re: #106 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Do you know why everyone talks about the Middle Class?
Because the vast majority of Americans consider themselves Middle Class, regardless of their actual income.
Exceptions are people like Paris Hilton, who is well aware she is Upper Class, and Honey Boo Boo, who is fine being lower class, because that pays the bills.
Paris isn't just upper class. She's old money, and she damn well knows it. Her great-grandkids will be billionaires too.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:16:30pm |
What's the record for posts on a single thread? At this rate, we should top 1,200.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:16:34pm |
Romney looks desperate
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danarchy Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:16:40pm |
re: #131 darthstar
Romney's smirking while President Obama speaks.
Not sure that's a smirk. It's just his face.
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:16:46pm |
re: #134 Ghost of Tom Joad
I heard him make a few...laughburps. Weird noises.
I thought that was Lehrer trying to cut off Obama.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:16:46pm |
re: #130 grout
Nobody gives a shit about the libertarians or any other 3rd party weirdos
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darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:17:06pm |
re: #134 Ghost of Tom Joad
I heard him make a few...laughburps. Weird noises.
He's not smiling...it's just gas. /newmother
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jhrhv Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:17:19pm |
Romney looks more like a comedian than a person who wants the job of POTUS.
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:17:28pm |
The economists studied what I said before.....but they didn't take into account the fact that nothing I say matters!
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darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:17:32pm |
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:17:39pm |
If we only had a parliamentary system where the leaders actually had to defend themselves every week, then the "debates" would be much easier on the ears.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:17:43pm |
Mitt Romney talking about how he's used to people repeating something and hoping other believe it...
Color me surprised.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:17:43pm |
this debate is really Romney vs. Romney
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:18:20pm |
Yeah comparing the president to his kids bickering. Not exactly smart.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:18:25pm |
My wife just said (and she doesn't live-blog), "It's really bad form to compare the president to your child, or all of them."
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:18:49pm |
"Lower the rate for the job creators and they will create more jobs"
Waltons!
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BillyCrims Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:18:51pm |
"clean coal"? What color is the sky in Mitt's world?
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:18:52pm |
Um, did Mitt just describe the "trickle down" tax approach that Reagan's boys came up with?
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SpaceJesus Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:18:52pm |
being objective here: mitt is starting to sound like a dick
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:18:57pm |
Romney just compared President Obama to his children, who don't always tell the truth. That sounded like a prepared zinger.
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diamonda2u Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:19:12pm |
re: #159 darthstarYeah, it means your parenting sucks, therefore you really suck at being Presdient
My wife just said (and she doesn't live-blog), "It's really bad form to compare the president to your child, or all of them."
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bratwurst Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:19:17pm |
We just got our first zinger with the "I've got 5 sons..." line.
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RadicalModerate Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:19:20pm |
Did Romney just pull a Godwin with that "repeat a big lie" line?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:19:25pm |
CEOs don't bicker - they just tell the underlings what to do.
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Someone Please Beam Me Up! Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:19:33pm |
We've had lower rates for upper incomes for about 12 years, and they haven't created jobs yet... but if we elect ROMNEY, it will suddenly work!
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Interesting Times Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:20:19pm |
Anyone else watching CNN? That undecided voter line thingy seems to indicate they like soundbites and can't follow detailed explanations.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:20:24pm |
To use a basketball analogy. Bill Ciinton was Obama's point guard on that play.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:20:42pm |
Most viewers are thoroughly confused by now, and we're just 20 minutes in.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:20:57pm |
That Donald Trump line didn't work.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:20:59pm |
re: #177 Interesting Times
i'm watching msnbc
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:21:04pm |
HA! Trump. His hair just stood up.
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Opal Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:21:11pm |
Donald Trump doesn't like to think of himself as small anything....that's good too.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:21:25pm |
Mitt's working so hard not to smirk. It's coming out as a kind of inspid condescending smile now.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 4, 2012
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:21:48pm |
re: #186 Charles Johnson
he's stuttering really bad.
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Mr.Boots Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:22:19pm |
Did he imply that Obama is a "boy?"
re: #165 Charles Johnson
Romney just compared President Obama to his children, who don't always tell the truth. That sounded like a prepared zinger.
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allegro Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:22:22pm |
Tax rates have nothing to do with employment. I'm so sick of this lie.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:22:22pm |
Forget "small business" for a minute. TAX THE FUCK out of the Waltons.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:22:29pm |
Has Mitt mentioned that he pays less taxes than those about whom he is speaking?
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darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:22:31pm |
re: #182 Kid A
That Donald Trump line didn't work.
Actually, I think you're right...it was a bad line and it will get overblown.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:22:37pm |
If Mitt stutters, he's either lying, or is getting pissed
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:22:52pm |
Obama is missing the Romney just changed his entire policy agenda without telling anyone. This should be interesting. #debates
— Zach Green (@140elect) October 4, 2012
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BillyCrims Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:22:59pm |
If Mitt doesn't stutter he's either lying, or is getting pissed.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:23:14pm |
I think Obama needs to mention "Voodoo Economics" at this point.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:23:25pm |
"My priority is jobs."
Like those minimum-wage jobs for high schoolers who can't provide an ounce of intelligent service at Staples.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:23:38pm |
This is the worst pilot I've ever seen. This show won't make it past three episodes.— Wil Wheaton (@wilw) October 4, 2012
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:23:52pm |
re: #195 Reverend Mother Ramallo
i think we need a bet on when he goes full meltdown, he's already trying to interrupt jim lehrer
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darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:23:57pm |
The first 15 minutes only took 24 minutes. #debates.We should be done by Friday at this rate.— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) October 4, 2012
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SpaceJesus Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:24:12pm |
when is mittens going to just admit that obama is right and then we move on to something else
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darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:24:22pm |
re: #195 Reverend Mother Ramallo
If Mitt stutters, he's either lying, or is getting pissed
He already got pissed in the first ten minutes.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:25:03pm |
Romney: "Look, I got five BOYS. I'm used to people saying something that's not always true, but just keep repeating it."— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 4, 2012
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:25:25pm |
wow, Mitt is just being a dick.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:25:28pm |
re: #204 darthstar
He already got pissed in the first ten minutes.
He gets pissy every time Obama calls out one of his policies that he has magically changed since 9:00 on 10/3/2012.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:25:38pm |
Bullshit. Words, just words.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:25:49pm |
Romney wants to control the tempo. It ain't working.
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Someone Please Beam Me Up! Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:26:00pm |
"My plan is not like anything that's been tried before." Let's pause to contemplate that statement....
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Mr.Boots Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:26:07pm |
Still no specifics yet, Mitt. Maybe sometime tonight?
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nines09 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:26:07pm |
Mitt wants to put people back to work. I guess he's got a lot of free airline tickets to China.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:26:18pm |
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Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:26:20pm |
Moderator needs to control this. It's getting ridiculous.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:26:21pm |
"Look at the evidence of the last four years."
I didn't have a job four years ago and now I have a job, I pay taxes and I bought 2 new cars. QED.
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Kaessa Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:26:29pm |
Romney - "My plan is not my plan."— Roy Zimmerman (@royzimmerman) October 4, 2012
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:26:33pm |
POTUS and governors don't create jobs in the private sector. Period. The problem is that there is no demand. No demand, no increase in supply. No increase in supply, no increase in jobs. People are up to their eyeballs in debt, and neither Romney or Obama can do anything about that.
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Tigger2 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:26:49pm |
What Romney doesn't mention is that cutting some deductions he's talking about are going to hurt the middle class.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:27:18pm |
re: #218 Varek Raith
This is painful.
Only if you're a Republican...okay, also if you're an American because you recognize that there's a chance Mitt Romney could win.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:27:22pm |
re: #229 Tigger2
What Romney doesn't mention is that cutting some deductions he's talking about are going to hurt the middle class.
On a massive scale.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:27:33pm |
Oh my, someone isn't happy.
I wonder if he's pissed at Portman...
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Gus Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:27:47pm |
Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:28:04pm |
OK, Romney was cool in the beginning. Now he's speaking too fast.
Cancel PBS?
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jhrhv Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:28:04pm |
Mitt wants to hire people to drive trains during the day so he can get a good nights sleep.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:28:19pm |
I love big bird, I love you, Jim. God what a tool you are Mitt.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:28:22pm |
PBS, that huge .000001% of the budget (it's a guess, don't kill me!)
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:28:32pm |
re: #228 Kid A
That was the problem with Lehrer's question - he assumes that the President is the explicit creator of Jobs.
If only Ron Paul was on stage... well, maybe not.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:28:33pm |
re: #232 Mr.Boots
Consumers create jobs.
That is correct. 70-75% of our economy is driven by the consumer. 1.3 GDP is not going to get it done anytime soon.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:28:43pm |
Romney just attacked Big Bird!What a fucking dolt! #debates— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) October 4, 2012
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:28:45pm |
Romney: "Sorry Jim, I'm gonna stop the subsidy to PBS." That oughtta pay for a war with Iran.— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) October 4, 2012
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erik_t Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:28:51pm |
Grab a quick shower and 100 comments appear. Damn, y'all.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:28:54pm |
re: #246 freetoken
That was the problem with Lehrer's question - he assumes that the President is the explicit creator of Jobs.
If only Ron Paul was on stage... well, maybe not.
LOL.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:29:01pm |
If the moderators were fully pulled would Romney go DERP critical?
| 254 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:29:13pm |
Mitt only looked good in the primary debates because of those he was debating.
| 256 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:29:33pm |
Smirking again. Trying to turn it into a knowing frown. Failing.
| 257 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:29:36pm |
re: #254 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Mitt only looked good in the primary debates because of those he was debating.
That goes without saying.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:29:41pm |
Mitt wants to give tax breaks to the Waltons so they will hire more people to work at Wal Mart, and then he'll cut welfare and food stamps which the Wal Mart employees need because the Waltons don't pay them enough to survive.
| 259 |
wrenchwench Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:29:49pm |
Jim Lehrer is less effective than the replacement refs.— Matthew Reichbach (@fbihop) October 4, 2012
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darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:30:12pm |
If Elmo endorses Romney, I'm setting off a car bomb on Sesame Street.
/// (that's sarcasm, assholes)
| 261 |
Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:30:13pm |
After Romney went after Obamacare, Barack should have laced into him about Romneycare right off the bat and kicked his ass with it.
| 262 |
jaunte Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:30:14pm |
Funny to hear Romney talk about immorality of debt when his business was entirely built on debt as form of investment
— Sally Kohn (@sallykohn) October 4, 2012
| 263 |
bratwurst Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:30:24pm |
Pass me whatever he is smoking:
If we had this Mitt Romney for last 60 days, he'd be 5 points ahead.— mike murphy (@murphymike) October 4, 2012
| 264 |
Interesting Times Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:30:25pm |
Wow, the men in CNN's focus group are morons. They must be closet fox fans.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:30:34pm |
| 267 |
R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:30:45pm |
It's not just the smirk.
Look at his eyes...
| 268 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:30:58pm |
Romney's debate coaches must have really tried to get him to tone down the smirk. He almost looks like he's in pain.
| 270 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:31:10pm |
Am I completely mistaken in thinking that impending SCOTUS nominations have been completely absent from both campaigns?
| 271 |
darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:31:23pm |
Okay. if any pundit says @mittromney is winning this debate, they need their meds checked. #debates #p2 #forward2012— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) October 4, 2012
| 273 |
Interesting Times Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:31:36pm |
re: #265 Amory Blaine
Obama is too passive.
You're right. That's bugging me. Fuck Drudge and his "angry black man" baiting garbage. Mitt needs a smackdown.
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diamonda2u Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:31:44pm |
re: #254 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Mitt only looked good in the primary debates because of those he was debating.
Exactly!!! I was so sick of hearing how great a debator he was and they were ignoring the fact he was on stage with the escapees from the asylum
| 276 |
JamesWI Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:32:07pm |
I have my own plan.....I just won't tell you what it is
| 278 |
Gus Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:32:31pm |
Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes. Taxes.
| 280 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:32:32pm |
Mitt has no plan to cut the deficit, what's he bitching about?
| 281 |
freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:32:35pm |
In the first 30 minutes I give a slight margin to Romney on controlling the discussion.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:32:45pm |
re: #265 Amory Blaine
Obama is too passive.
No, he's the President of the United States. He doesn't have to attack. He's not the challenger.
| 283 |
BillyCrims Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:33:03pm |
Were that Michelle Bachmann had won the Republican nomination. Then we'd be having fun.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:33:15pm |
re: #273 Interesting Times
You're right. That's bugging me. Fuck Drudge and his "angry black man" baiting garbage. Mitt needs a smackdown.
No...the more Mitt attacks, the weaker he looks.
| 285 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:33:16pm |
Obama is missing the passion. Fire up mo fo.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:33:38pm |
re: #281 freetoken
controlling it by throwing a hissy fit negates that margin.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:33:41pm |
I am fully aware that there is a debate going on.
I am also aware that the first battle of the (marching) band is this Saturday, and these flags aren't going to sew themselves.
| 289 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:33:45pm |
Trump is small fry. TALK ABOUT THE FUCKING WALTONS.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:33:58pm |
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:33:58pm |
re: #281 freetoken
In the first 30 minutes I give a slight margin to Romney on controlling the discussion.
If they each had 5 minutes to explain their ideas, Ob would roll over him. He's just very wordy and not very soundbity.
| 294 |
SpaceJesus Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:33:59pm |
mitt stops talking and immediately starts smirking before obama even says anything
| 296 |
peterb Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:34:03pm |
"We're losing money by lowering taxes, but we'll make it up in volume."
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Mr.Boots Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:34:26pm |
Yup Mitt, More people working . . . in what country?
| 303 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:35:05pm |
re: #285 Blackity Black Black!
Obama is missing the passion. Fire up mo fo.
Is there a lack of leg tingling? I just got back from a business call. BTW, That's President Mo Fo to you, mister.
| 304 |
Obdicut Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:35:09pm |
So far, Mitt isn't totally fucking up, so it'll be called a victory. He looks angry, which will make his base happy. He might be being enough of a jerk to get some energy and enthusiasm from the GOP stalwarts out of this.
I don't think it'll play well with non-GOP types, though.
| 305 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:35:09pm |
CORPORATE WELFARE!!
| 306 |
Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:35:14pm |
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:35:23pm |
Corporate taxes!?!
Whatchu talkin bout Willis?
-Mitt
| 309 |
JamesWI Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:35:33pm |
We can't be like Spain! Oh, terrible Spain! The worst place I could possibly imagine!
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Mr.Boots Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:35:47pm |
re: #303 Killgore Trout
Is there a lack of leg tingling? I just got back from a business call. BTW, That's President Mo Fo to you, mister.
He's playing "Rope a Dope?"
| 311 |
bratwurst Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:35:54pm |
the rain in spain is caused by entitlements— Frank Reynolds (@fareynolds) October 4, 2012
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:36:05pm |
Take off the kid gloves and pass out the brass knuckles and switchblades.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:36:09pm |
re: #304 Sheeplord
So far, Mitt isn't totally fucking up, so it'll be called a victory. He looks angry, which will make his base happy. He might be being enough of a jerk to get some energy and enthusiasm from the GOP stalwarts out of this.
I don't think it'll play well with non-GOP types, though.
The pundits will pretty much say "He held his own."
| 314 |
BillyCrims Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:36:21pm |
This debate is actually getting me to rethink who I'm going to vote for. I'm thinking I might switch from Jill Stein to Rocky Anderson...
Expanding the debates..
[Link: www.democracynow.org...]
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:36:28pm |
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darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:36:30pm |
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Tigger2 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:36:31pm |
re: #303 Killgore Trout
Is there a lack of leg tingling? I just got back from a business call. BTW, That's President Mo Fo to you, mister.
Is you butt tingling for Romney. lol
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:36:49pm |
[Link: twitter.com...]
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:37:31pm |
re: #303 Killgore Trout
Is there a lack of leg tingling? I just got back from a business call. BTW, That's President Mo Fo to you, mister.
He's playing the role of front-runner. Playing it safe, hitting him on his disappearing tax cuts and imaginary revenue, and letting Romney get angrier and angrier.
He''s not the one who has to make up 4% in the national polls.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:37:45pm |
re: #303 Killgore Trout
Is there a lack of leg tingling? I just got back from a business call. BTW, That's President Mo Fo to you, mister.
My dad used to say he was going to "make a business call" when he had to take a dump. True story.
| 323 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:37:47pm |
Jim Lehrer is worthless as a facilitator.
| 324 |
R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:37:50pm |
You ain't clever Mitt!!!
-Obama Translator
| 325 |
Varek Raith Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:37:53pm |
| 327 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:38:27pm |
Mitt likes green energy? Yeah and I'm the pope.
| 328 |
Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:38:31pm |
Well, Romney just lost. He mentioned that he likes green energy, and lord knows, we can't have that.
//
| 329 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:38:34pm |
Exxon-Mobil profits goes to small drilling operators!
Like your dentist, Mitt?
| 334 |
jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:38:47pm |
How dare Obama invest money in green energy that's no way to make America energy independent!
| 335 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:38:50pm |
| 336 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:38:51pm |
Here come the right wing anti-environmental talking points.
| 337 |
jhrhv Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:38:53pm |
It's called investing in the future. Would have thought a great business man would get that.
| 338 |
nines09 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:38:54pm |
Mitt wants to drill ourselves drunk. He just won't say who we'll sell it to.
| 339 |
alpuz Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:39:06pm |
re: #322 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
'Going to a business meeting'.
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Barflytom Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:39:12pm |
I'm pleasantly surprised by Romney. He's being a bit more gung-ho than I expected, and Obama looks like a useless community organiser whose only idea is to send more people to college.
My money is on Romney - literally, as J. Biden would say.
Intrade and others have been offering ridiculous odds on the election recently. If any of you lefties reading here want to get out of your current state of poverty, try a bet on Romney for the election - you can get 4/1 odds, or at least you could before this debate.....
| 343 |
Targetpractice Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:39:32pm |
Tommy Thompson, the guy who said he was the one if you wanted to kill Medicaid and Medicare?
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:39:35pm |
re: #319 JamesWI
He's playing the role of front-runner. Playing it safe, hitting him on his disappearing tax cuts and imaginary revenue, and letting Romney get angrier and angrier.
He''s not the one who has to make up 4% in the national polls.
I think Obama goes to great lengths to not appear as "Angry Black Man" at times like this. It's another reason it's ridiculous to think that being black helped him get elected. He's always had to make sure he couldn't be dismissed as Angry Black Guy.
| 345 |
RadicalModerate Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:39:43pm |
Romney really doesn't want to go down the road regarding overseas money hidden for tax purposes, now does he?
| 346 |
jhrhv Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:39:46pm |
Mitt's account said not to release his tax statements.
| 349 |
Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:39:57pm |
Romneys talkin the same ol' snake oil Americans love.
| 351 |
researchok Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:40:07pm |
My two cents:
Seems to me the questions have been framed in a way that seems to favor Romney.
When they went off script and talked about health care, Obama comes through.
| 352 |
freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:40:12pm |
Right now I'm calling this "debate" for Mitt, unless he really fucks up in the last 40 minutes.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:40:12pm |
re: #340 brennant
Mitt is very much in control.
I just tuned in but he's looking good. I was sure Obama would do fine but Mitt was a wild card.
| 354 |
funky chicken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:40:16pm |
re: #160 Sheila Broflovski
"Lower the rate for the job creators and they will create more jobs"
Waltons!
So where are all the damn jobs they should have created since 2001?
| 355 |
prairiefire Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:40:30pm |
| 357 |
wrenchwench Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:40:45pm |
Or the methlab of democracy, in Arizona's case.
| 358 |
jaunte Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:41:16pm |
Not using facts creates the semblance of being in control of the conversation.
| 359 |
freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:41:26pm |
I think Obama has been hurt by not having to campaign in a nomination process.
| 360 |
Mr.Boots Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:41:31pm |
| 361 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:41:49pm |
| 362 |
prairiefire Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:41:57pm |
re: #358 jaunte
Perhaps it creates an illusion of being in control.
| 363 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:42:04pm |
re: #359 freetoken
I think Obama has been hurt by not having to campaign in a nomination process.
He's looking a little flustered.
| 364 |
freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:42:07pm |
Digressions are a no-no when your audience is supposed to have less than a 10th grade reading level.
| 365 |
Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:42:18pm |
Yeah, a lower corporate tax rate will cure what ails us right quick.
| 366 |
darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:42:18pm |
Tommy Thompson, who said he was the guy who knows how to do away with Medicaid and Medicare #msnbc2012— Ed Schultz (@edshow) October 4, 2012
| 367 |
researchok Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:42:20pm |
re: #359 freetoken
I think Obama has been hurt by not having to campaign in a nomination process.
Too much time in the bunker
| 369 |
R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:42:47pm |
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:42:51pm |
Romney has advantage when it comes to deficit issues (according to pretty much every poll).
Now they're in entitlements, which is Obama's domain.
| 371 |
Gus Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:42:53pm |
Obama is talking about Obama and Romney is talking about Obama.
No plans from Romney other than to "take down what Obama did."
| 372 |
Interesting Times Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:42:54pm |
Interesting his Obama gets higher yellow line (women)and Romney gets the higher green line (men)#debate— sfpelosi (@sfpelosi) October 4, 2012
| 373 |
BillyCrims Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:43:02pm |
Obama does look more flustered in this segment.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:43:11pm |
re: #363 Killgore Trout
He's looking a little flustered.
Flustered in the way a professional baseball team looks when they realize they're playing against a t-ball team of four year olds.
| 377 |
Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:43:34pm |
"Current retirees." Vote for us, because we're just going to fuck-over the younger folks.
| 378 |
funky chicken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:43:47pm |
re: #337 jhrhv
It's called investing in the future. Would have thought a great business man would get that.
I don't think major American businesses have been investing in America's future for a long time. I'm thinking of Apple, Nike, and big oil in particular.
| 380 |
freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:43:57pm |
Mitt is smelling blood, going in for the kill.
| 381 |
nines09 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:44:05pm |
Mitt just wants you to know he's got his fuck the rest of you.
| 382 |
Opal Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:44:31pm |
$716 billion cut from Medicare, but it pays for physicals and reduces overpayments TO insurance companies managing Medicare Advantage. Hope Obama reminds him of it.
| 383 |
allegro Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:44:43pm |
Nursing homes don't take Medicare patients now because Medicare doesn't cover them. Only Medicaid.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:44:43pm |
re: #369 Reverend Mother Ramallo
The absolute worst place to work.
Also the largest number of employees who are forced to take food stamps and government assistance.
The government should send the Waltons a bill for the "health care" (Medicaid) and "benefits" (food stamps) they provide for Wal Mart employees.
| 385 |
Sionainn Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:44:44pm |
Let him have it, Obama, about that $700 billion cut.
| 386 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:44:59pm |
The "cutting Medicare by $716 billion" line is a flat out lie.
| 388 |
Mr.Boots Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:45:13pm |
It's not like people over 55 don't have 54 year-old spouses and relatives that they care about.
| 391 |
RadicalModerate Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:45:32pm |
Speaking of repeating a big lie, Romney is starting in on the rightwing claim that Obama is cutting Medicare, that has been debunked so many times that Factcheck has issued him asbestos pants due to them catching fire so many times.
| 393 |
krypto Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:45:33pm |
Pants on Fire -- Romney is doing the $716 billion from Medicare Lie.
| 394 |
JamesWI Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:45:38pm |
So if you're 54, you might want to listen.
There's the attitude! Ha!
| 395 |
Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:45:39pm |
re: #386 Charles Johnson
The "cutting Medicare by $716 billion" line is a flat out lie.
And Obama needs to kick his ass with it. If he doesn't, then Romney wins that portion of the debate whether it's a lie or not.
| 396 |
freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:45:39pm |
At the halfway point, the President needs to be more aggressive to avoid a total loss.
| 397 |
Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:45:46pm |
re: #378 funky chicken
I don't think major American businesses have been investing in America's future for a long time. I'm thinking of Apple, Nike, and big oil in particular.
Well, Apple comes up with all the ideas here (note the created in California label on every Apple product), but an iPhone would cost at least $1200 if they were manufactured here; Steve Jobs said as much when he and other tech types met with Obama back in 2009-10. That meeting is in the Jobs book, by the way.
| 398 |
BillyCrims Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:45:55pm |
Rocky Anderson: "Why are we in the fix we're in? ...The tax cuts for the wealthy,..wasteful, outrageous illegal wars..."
Game... Set.. Match
Expanding the debates...
[Link: www.democracynow.org...]
| 399 |
jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:45:56pm |
"Your running mate!"
Obama is giving Mitt Cement shoes, Chicago Politics style...
| 400 |
wrenchwench Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:46:08pm |
re: #388 Mr.Boots
It's not like people over 55 don't have 54 year-old spouses and relatives that they care about.
Care about? What is that? --Mitt
| 402 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:46:26pm |
re: #396 freetoken
you have to be kidding...
| 404 |
Barflytom Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:46:30pm |
re: #342 Gus
Damn. Romney's a dick.
I think you mean "Romney is a much more impressive man in every respect than Obama".
I thought Romney would do well in the debates, but I wasn't expecting Obama to be humiliated quite this badly.
| 405 |
Big Joe Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:46:45pm |
re: #394 JamesWI
So if you're 54, you might want to listen.
There's the attitude! Ha!
I'm 56, fuck y'all, I got mine!
//
| 406 |
wrenchwench Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:46:49pm |
| 407 |
Mocking Jay Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:46:56pm |
re: #397 Kid A
Well, Apple comes up with all the ideas here (note the created in California label on every Apple product), but an iPhone would cost at least $1200 if they were manufactured here, Steve Jobs said as much when he and other tech types met with Obama back in 2009-10. That meeting is in the Jobs book, by the way.
Apple doesn't innovate. They refine. We're talking about a company that just released it's first true 4G phone last month here...
| 408 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:47:09pm |
Obama took $700 billion out of Medicare? Half True. ow.ly/ecyBF #debate— PolitiFact (@politifact) October 4, 2012
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Gus Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:47:22pm |
re: #404 Barflytom
I think you mean "Romney is a much more impressive man in every respect than Obama".
I thought Romney would do well in the debates, but I wasn't expecting Obama to be humiliated quite this badly.
Mmmm hmmmm. Let me know when Romney lays out his plans other than just screaming, "I'M NOT OBAMA!"
| 410 |
krypto Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:47:25pm |
Obama had better debunk that $716 billion from Medicare lie.
| 411 |
Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:47:27pm |
60 year olds today will be 70 in ten years. Just in time for their vouchers.
| 412 |
freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:47:41pm |
Even I'm loss with all these digressions.
Sentences ought to be no more than two clauses, less than 12 words if possible.
| 413 |
researchok Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:47:43pm |
| 414 |
ಠ_ಠ Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:47:43pm |
WHAT!? Yes he DOES want to destroy medicare! Did you read his freaking plan Obama!?
| 415 |
Obdicut Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:47:51pm |
re: #404 Barflytom
I think you mean "Romney is a much more impressive man in every respect than Obama".
I thought Romney would do well in the debates, but I wasn't expecting Obama to be humiliated quite this badly.
Translation: Romney is being aggressive and delivering lies well, Obama is being low-key and not rising to the bait. Not great for Obama, not going to fix Romney's failure to connect with people.
| 416 |
Varek Raith Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:47:51pm |
| 418 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:47:58pm |
Looks like we have a troll. So when does 'rwmofo' show up?
| 419 |
wrenchwench Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:48:12pm |
re: #413 researchok
Wasn't flattery.
I really thought you were younger.
Insults won't get you anywhere either.
/
| 420 |
JamesWI Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:48:21pm |
re: #417 Killgore Trout
Mitt's doing surprisingly well.
If you ignore the fact that everything he's saying is complete bullshit.
| 421 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:48:47pm |
re: #404 Barflytom
I think you mean "Romney is a much more impressive man in every respect than Obama".
Something something tingling something something.
| 422 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:48:48pm |
I have a dream.
My dream is that suddenly, Oppa Gangam style starts playing, and Romney and the president put on sunglasses and dance around.
Yes, I'm being silly.
Six 8'x6' flags.
By Saturday.
| 424 |
wrenchwench Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:48:56pm |
I like a private plan because I can fire them. --Mitt
| 425 |
darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:48:56pm |
Romney just pulled the "I like to fire people" line.
| 427 |
Varek Raith Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:49:02pm |
re: #420 JamesWI
If you ignore the fact that everything he's saying is complete bullshit.
KT doesn't care about facts with regards to Romney.
| 428 |
nines09 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:49:09pm |
Mitt has never met Mitt by what is being said by Mitt.
| 429 |
freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:49:28pm |
re: #420 JamesWI
These things are all about show.
And so far, Mitt is coming off more clearly and to the point than the President.
| 430 |
Sionainn Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:49:30pm |
Yeah, competition. That's why Medicare Advantage costs more...dumbass.
| 431 |
Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:49:40pm |
re: #420 JamesWI
If you ignore the fact that everything he's saying is complete bullshit.
It's bullshit, but it's dazzling bullshit, which, let's face it, works on the average moron in this country. Us here (well, most of us) are much smarter than that.
| 432 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:49:53pm |
re: #422 Mostly sane, most of the time.
I have a dream.
My dream is that suddenly, Oppa Gangam style starts playing, and Romney and the president put on sunglasses and dance around.
Yes, I'm being silly.
Six 8'x6' flags.
By Saturday.
| 433 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:50:38pm |
Jim Lehrer is the worst facilitator EVER.
| 434 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:50:42pm |
re: #420 JamesWI
If you ignore the fact that everything he's saying is complete bullshit.
Body language, blinking, appearing flustered, making faces, etc. Aesthetics, although unimportant, do matter in these things. Mitt's doing a lot better that I thought he would.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:50:56pm |
Why don't they give these moderators a button to cut their microphones?
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bratwurst Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:51:00pm |
re: #429 freetoken
These things are all about show.
And so far, Mitt is coming off more clearly and to the point than the President.
I have to agree. I think Mitt is wrong in pretty much every way, but the fact is that he came into this with exceptionally low expectations...and he has easily exceeded them.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:51:02pm |
Is there a halftime in this game???
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:51:04pm |
WTF Mitt Romney... :(— Big Bird (@BlGBlRD) October 4, 2012
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:51:20pm |
Is Romney plan for future Medicare a voucher system? Mostly True. ow.ly/ecMuu #debate— PolitiFact (@politifact) October 4, 2012
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:51:32pm |
Should I watch the new South Park Honey Boo Boo episode?
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:51:33pm |
re: #408 Killgore Trout
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And politifact blows another little chuck of their credibility off.
Neither Obama nor his health care law literally cut funding from the Medicare program’s budget. Rather, the health care law instituted a number of changes to try to bring down future health care costs in the program.
They made changes to try to lower costs. Spending wasn't touched. What was done was to lower future costs. Nothing was cut.
The weird part is when Politifact rates it half-true and then goes on and on about how incredibly misleading it is.
I guess, in a way, it proves a philosophical point-- half-truths are in a way bigger lies than absolute fabrications.
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Interesting Times Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:51:47pm |
Important question about post debate coverage is whether media focuses more on Mitt's superior performance or his dishonesty.— AdamSerwer (@AdamSerwer) October 4, 2012
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Tigger2 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:52:02pm |
Fuck you Romney the free market sucks on a lot of things and one of them is Health care.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:52:05pm |
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researchok Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:52:06pm |
re: #440 freetoken
His questions really do favor Romney.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:52:08pm |
Doesn't Lehrer understand Romney is running this debate?— Jon Ralston (@RalstonReports) October 4, 2012
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Barflytom Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:52:10pm |
re: #409 Gus
Mmmm hmmmm. Let me know when Romney lays out his plans other than just screaming, "I'M NOT OBAMA!"
Actually, "I'm not Obama" should be good enough for anyone who hasn't been in a coma for the last 4 years.
Why do you lefties take an obviously useless, incompetent phoney like Obama seriously ?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:52:10pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:52:28pm |
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Mark Winter Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:52:31pm |
re: #404 Barflytom
I think you mean "Romney is a much more impressive man in every respect than Obama".
I thought Romney would do well in the debates, but I wasn't expecting Obama to be humiliated quite this badly.
I'm watching this debate from Germany. Which debate are you watching? In a universe where Mr. Spock has a beard?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:52:44pm |
Romney's Medicare plan could cost seniors $6,400 more? Half True. ow.ly/ecpvq #debate— PolitiFact (@politifact) October 4, 2012
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jhrhv Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:53:03pm |
Did he just say I like regulation lets get rid of it I like regulation?
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nines09 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:53:08pm |
Shouldn't there be smoke rolling from under Mitts podium by now?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:53:09pm |
re: #441 Killgore Trout
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Mostly true, and fucked for us middle agers. TOTALLY FUCKED with our pre-existing conditions.
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renata39.5 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:53:12pm |
So if we need regulation to keep random, unstable banks from opening, and Dodd-Frank closed random, unstable banks with it's regulations, then...isn't that a good thing? That's the logic train I got from the ramble.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:53:15pm |
re: #451 Barflytom
Actually, "I'm not Obama" should be good enough for anyone who hasn't been in a coma for the last 4 years.
Why do you lefties take an obviously useless, incompetent phoney like Obama seriously ?
In what way is he a phony?
Also he didn't seem so useless or incompetent when it came to making sure Osama got shot in the face.
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mr.fusion Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:53:17pm |
I haven't been to HA or Free Repub yet to check out the comments.....
but I can't imagine the RWNJ's are too happy w Mitt right now. I think they were hoping for Romney to come out and start yelling about Socialism and birth certificates........and he's just not being combative at all
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erik_t Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:53:22pm |
I know one ought not feed the troll, but I see that beautiful red minus sign and damnit sometimes I just can't help myself.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:53:29pm |
re: #452 Killgore Trout
I would have preferred Charlie Rose
If Bill O'Reilly was moderating this, he and Mitt would be in the parking lot going fisticuffs.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:53:44pm |
mitt is trying to defend not raising, but cutting taxes on the wealthy
then he is busy defending the voucher system
it doesn't matter how well he does it - you can't shine shit
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:53:45pm |
Fuck this shit, I am watching South Park.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:54:15pm |
re: #464 erik_t
I know one ought not feed the troll, but I see that beautiful red minus sign and damnit sometimes I just can't help myself.
Downdings knock the kibble out of its dish.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:54:27pm |
re: #454 Mark Winter
I'm watching this debate from Germany. Which debate are you watching? In a universe where Mr. Spock has a beard?
good to know, we are quiet biased.
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krypto Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:54:33pm |
I'm annoyed. Romney got away with the $716 billion from Medicare Lie.
A lot of people who never read factcheck.org are going to be left believing that lie.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:54:44pm |
re: #404 Barflytom
I think you mean "Romney is a much more impressive man in every respect than Obama".
I thought Romney would do well in the debates, but I wasn't expecting Obama to be humiliated quite this badly.
Oh aren't you cute...typing on the computer...
Don't you have a bowl of spaghetti-o's waiting for you?
I know, it's probably hard to hear your mom calling you when you're in the the basement.
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Mich-again Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:54:45pm |
re: #467 Sheila Broflovski
Fuck this shit, I am watching South Park.
I'm watching baseball and keeping up on the debate here.. thanks guys..
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Tigger2 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:54:52pm |
re: #451 Barflytom
Actually, "I'm not Obama" should be good enough for anyone who hasn't been in a coma for the last 4 years.
Why do you lefties take an obviously useless, incompetent phoney like Obama seriously ?
Piss off loser, right wing bullshit.
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:55:27pm |
Romney keeps on interrupting Obama....going to start coming off as a major asshole to even the undecideds pretty soon.
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jhrhv Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:55:28pm |
Mitt would have let the banks go bust around the world. Good business plan.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:55:30pm |
at 9 o'clock Ghost hunters comes on here in CA. I will be watching that, since it's far more believable than Romney.
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kirkspencer Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:55:43pm |
re: #451 Barflytom
Actually, "I'm not Obama" should be good enough for anyone who hasn't been in a coma for the last 4 years.
Why do you lefties take an obviously useless, incompetent phoney like Obama seriously ?
Because we experienced eight years of W.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:56:02pm |
obama shouldn't look down with a grim expression when romney's talking. it looks like he's taking a scolding
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researchok Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:56:16pm |
Obama can't win the mortgage question.
Fannie and Freddie screwed him over on that
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JeffM70 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:56:18pm |
re: #470 krypto
I was surprised Obama didn't hit back on that one. Maybe he will now.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:56:18pm |
re: #470 krypto
I'm annoyed. Romney got away with the $716 billion from Medicare Lie.
A lot of people who never read factcheck.org are going to be left believing that lie.
Yup. Romney won that whole thing because Obama didn't flatly call him out on it. The Holy 'undecideds' who are just low-information morons will eat that up.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:56:25pm |
The "Commission" needs to find a better way to have a "debate".
I suggest they let the candidates each bring in 10 questions to ask each other, and the only third party is a referee/timekeeper.
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BillyCrims Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:56:41pm |
Huh. To get rid of a ridiculous tax break we have to cut rates. Here's a queston. Why?
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:56:58pm |
Hey Killgore: You earlier excoriated Rachel Maddow for doing a nightly show, saying that that's not nearly enough time for good journalism.
You're now promoting the live-tweeting journalism of a 'fact-checking' site.
That's a rather glaring contradiction.
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bratwurst Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:57:16pm |
re: #485 freetoken
The "Commission" needs to find a better way to have a "debate".
I suggest they let the candidates each bring in 10 questions to ask each other, and the only third party is a referee/timekeeper.
This debate has a "format" the same way professional wrestling has "referees".
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Talking Point Detective Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:57:46pm |
Obama's a lying, empty-suit idiot who never did anything of real value his entire life. and Romney is a genius self-made billionaire who has used his sharp intelligence and hard work to become a success in life.
Given all that, I"m "surprised" that Romney is doing so much better than Obama.
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researchok Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:57:53pm |
re: #489 bratwurst
For this debate, I'd have to agree.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:57:54pm |
He's counting again. That's the ticket in a debate.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:57:58pm |
re: #489 bratwurst
In this case though, the "referee" is not helping the show.
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JeffM70 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:57:59pm |
This format is weary, borderline useless. I mean 15 minutes (in theory) to talk about the economy or healthcare?
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erik_t Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:58:01pm |
Frankly, the modern presidential debate is a bigger farce than the modern Republican Party. And that, my friends, is saying something.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:58:17pm |
Mitt has numbered all his points.
I hope he gets a case of Rick Perryitis.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:58:19pm |
re: #470 krypto
I'm annoyed. Romney got away with the $716 billion from Medicare Lie.
A lot of people who never read factcheck.org are going to be left believing that lie.
i think maybe the democratic campaign might have concluded that that dog wasn't hunting, anyway - isn't mitt losing seniors?
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:58:35pm |
Wow, Romney got in his talking points about Obamacare.
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krypto Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:58:54pm |
Romney is repeating the $716 billion from Medicare plus a lot of other lies -- Will Obama call him out on that now?
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Talking Point Detective Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:59:09pm |
re: #492 Talking Point Detective
Obama's a lying, empty-suit idiot who never did anything of real value his entire life. and Romney is a genius self-made billionaire who has used his sharp intelligence and hard work to become a success in life.
Given all that, I"m "surprised" that Romney is doing so much better than Obama.
Methinks some folks' irony-meter is broken.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:59:20pm |
This is why you don't trust people who tell you Mitt's entire plan is based on stupid zingers. He's doing well, much better than I expected. He may still lose this debate but he understands how airplane windows work, he's not a sociaopath, compulsive liar, retard, moron, etc. I'm still not voting for him but it looks like his debate prep is paying off.
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RadicalModerate Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:59:24pm |
Next debate is where Obama will likely shine the most - it is in a "town meeting" format, where questions will come from audience members.
Personally, I wish that the debate moderator had a big red buzzer button that he would immediately push when an outright lie is told by an candidate.
But then again, Romney would have trouble getting to say more than two sentences in a row.
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Mich-again Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:59:29pm |
re: #492 Talking Point Detective
Obama's a lying, empty-suit idiot who never did anything of real value his entire life. and Romney is a genius self-made billionaire who has used his sharp intelligence and hard work to become a success in life.
Given all that, I"m "surprised" that Romney is doing so much better than Obama.
The son of a millionaire Governor is a self made billionaire. Ha. That just took over the spot for the dumbest post in the thread.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:59:30pm |
re: #503 Gus
Message to Obama... mention RomneyCare.
You area absolutely right, Gus. I'm shocked he hasn't gone there yet.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:59:49pm |
re: #503 Gus
Message to Obama... mention RomneyCare.
Would be an instant-win. "You instituted a plan just like mine, that worked, yet you want to cut the national version. WTF is wrong with you?"
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 3, 2012 6:59:59pm |
re: #506 Talking Point Detective
Methinks some folks' irony-meter is broken.
Sarc tags are your friend, sir/ma'am
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:00:09pm |
re: #509 Mich-again
The son of a millionaire Governor is a self made billionaire. Ha. That just took over the spot for the dumbest post in the thread.
It was sarcasm.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:00:10pm |
It appears as if the President doesn't know how to "debate" anymore.
Gus is right - the first thing out of Obama's mouth should have been "Romneycare".
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Buck Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:00:14pm |
President Obama mentioned clean coal in his 2011 State of the Union Address when he brought up his plan for a clean energy standard. "So tonight, I challenge you to join me in setting a new goal: By 2035, 80 percent of America's electricity will come from clean energy sources,” said Obama. "Some folks want wind and solar. Others want nuclear, clean coal and natural gas. To meet this goal, we will need them all.”
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Gus Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:00:18pm |
Obama is more personable. Obama is talking to the American people. Romney is just lecturing Obama. #debate2012— Gus (@Gus_802) October 4, 2012
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:00:18pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:00:23pm |
re: #510 Kid A
You area absolutely right, Gus. I'm shocked he hasn't gone there yet.
Rope a dope? We can hope.
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Barflytom Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:00:31pm |
re: #471 Reverend Mother Ramallo
Oh aren't you cute...typing on the computer...
Don't you have a bowl of spaghetti-o's waiting for you?
I know, it's probably hard to hear your mom calling you when you're in the the basement.
Quite the little mind reader, aren't you ?
Have you ever heard of "projection" ?
How much cash do you have on you right now, and how much of it are you willing to bet on Romney or Obama winning the election ?
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researchok Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:00:41pm |
re: #503 Gus
This debate/Lehrer pretty blatantly favors Romney in how the questions aqre asked.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:00:41pm |
re: #515 Buck
President Obama mentioned clean coal in his 2011 State of the Union Address when he brought up his plan for a clean energy standard. "So tonight, I challenge you to join me in setting a new goal: By 2035, 80 percent of America's electricity will come from clean energy sources,” said Obama. "Some folks want wind and solar. Others want nuclear, clean coal and natural gas. To meet this goal, we will need them all.”
And he was wrong to do so. He was also wrong to promote corn biofuels.
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jhrhv Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:00:47pm |
I like that Obama seems to be doing this off the cuff. Mitt does seem better prepared though.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:00:50pm |
Here we go now Obama is getting to Romneycare...
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:00:53pm |
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diamonda2u Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:01:03pm |
re: #507 Killgore Trout
This is why you don't trust people who tell you Mitt's entire plan is based on stupid zingers. He's doing well, much better than I expected. He may still lose this debate but he understands how airplane windows work, he's not a sociaopath, compulsive liar, retard, moron, etc. I'm still not voting for him but it looks like his debate prep is paying off.
Umm, I think he doesn't understand why airplane windows DON'T OPEN...now matter how good he does in a practiced reality tv show (i.e. debate)
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:01:06pm |
re: #517 Killgore Trout
I don't think he's going to go there.
Shocker. You're wrong....for the first time ever, I'm sure.
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Kaessa Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:01:08pm |
re: #511 Ghost of Tom Joad
Would be an instant-win. "You instituted a plan just like mine, that worked, yet you want to cut the national version. WTF is wrong with you?"
And he just did.
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Gus Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:01:22pm |
Lehrer is dropping the ball. Probably showing bias because Obama's a black man.
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researchok Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:01:44pm |
re: #507 Killgore Trout
It's the zero sum, take no prisoners approach to politics.
No one really likes it.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:01:50pm |
"tell the president why you think obamacare is wrong"
what the hell kind of a question is that???
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Tigger2005 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:01:55pm |
re: #451 Barflytom
Actually, "I'm not Obama" should be good enough for anyone who hasn't been in a coma for the last 4 years.
Why do you lefties take an obviously useless, incompetent phoney like Obama seriously ?
Actually I'm not a "lefty," I'm a moderate. I've voted Republican and Democrat. Last election, I actually voted for McCain. I haven't been in a coma the last four years, and what I've seen is a an intelligent, thoughtful and hard-working President who is not driven by ideology and who seeks and proposes real solutions, and who has accomplished a great deal despite having to work with a hostile, obstructionist Congress for most of his term. He's also a strong President who's made us safer by improving our relations with much of the rest of the world and taking out many top members of al-Qaeda, including Osama bin Laden.
If you can provide facts and evidence to back up your assertion that Obama is a "useless, incompetent phoney," I'll be happy to consider them. However, I will counter with an extremely long list of Obama's accomplishments and I will expect you to read them.
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:01:55pm |
Lehrer's letting Romney go on for 5 minutes, cutting off Obama directly at 2?
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jamesfirecat Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:02:07pm |
So the difference between Obamacare and Romneycare is that Romneycare was voted for bitpartisan style.
Who cares about what the damn thing does all that matters is how it came to be!
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:02:23pm |
512 comments in one hour. Great job, Lizards.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:02:57pm |
re: #535 engineer cat
"tell the president why you think obamacare is wrong"
what the hell kind of a question is that???
Sounded like "put the uppity black guy in his place."
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Kaessa Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:03:00pm |
I think Obama would have had better bipartisan support if the Republicans weren't determined to make him a one-term president as their main priority.
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jaunte Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:03:05pm |
When did you start liking what you did in Massachusetts? #debate
— Charles P. Pierce (@ESQPolitics) October 4, 2012
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diamonda2u Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:03:16pm |
re: #531 Gus
Lehrer is dropping the ball. Probably showing bias because Obama's a black man.
Nah, I think they are afraid of getting the "media had been tough and unfair to poor Mitt" meme that Ann and the Right Wing have been spouting for days. Hence why this is useless
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:03:19pm |
Whether Romney's recalls of study names is accurate or not, that he is coming off as being on top of the subject matters.
Sorry, but the President has dropped the ball tonight.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:03:24pm |
mitt creating brand new lies in order to piss the president off
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Interesting Times Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:03:28pm |
re: #542 JamesWI
Romney's stumbling over Romneycare now.
He's getting all the rightwing lies in, though, with no debunking so far.
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krypto Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:03:34pm |
Massachusetts did not elect Brown to "stop ObamaCare" as Romney claims -- they did it because Martha Coakley was too arrogant to campaign.
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b_sharp Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:03:37pm |
It doesn't matter where you start, it only matters how you finish.
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Sionainn Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:03:39pm |
Dammit, Obama! Call him out on that $716 billion lie!
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bratwurst Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:03:45pm |
re: #519 Barflytom
How much cash do you have on you right now, and how much of it are you willing to bet on Romney or Obama winning the election ?
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Talking Point Detective Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:03:53pm |
re: #512 JamesWI
Sarc tags are your friend, sir/ma'am
I'd say that it would be almost impossible to actually read what I wrote and miss the sarcasm. The lack of logic was complete. The fact that it was also accurately reflective of the logic of some posters here is rather amusing, IMO.
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researchok Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:03:55pm |
re: #539 jamesfirecat
There's a lot of merit to that argument.
GOP is too partisan to be bipartisan.
My only issue with Obamacare is in the implementation.
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krypto Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:04:37pm |
Romney spewed the $716 billion from Medicare LIE for the third time -- why doesn't Obama challenge it?
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:05:05pm |
re: #555 Talking Point Detective
I'd say that it would be almost impossible to actually read what I wrote and miss the sarcasm. The lack of logic was complete. The fact that it was also accurately reflective of the logic of some posters here is rather amusing, IMO.
The problem is, satire doesn't work so well when the people you are trying to satirize don't believe in logic or common sense.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:05:18pm |
Romney is blinking like he's hyped on Red Bull.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:05:23pm |
re: #548 freetoken
Whether Romney's recalls of study names is accurate or not, that he is coming off as being on top of the subject matters.
Sorry, but the President has dropped the ball tonight.
I think so too. It's mostly a body language issue. He's speaking too fast, blinking too much, moving his head around, etc. It's all superficial but he looks flustered.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:05:26pm |
re: #557 krypto
Romney spewed the $716 billion from Medicare for the third time -- why doesn't Obama challenge it?
His lack of rebuttal is telling the viewer that Mitt's assertion is true.
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RadicalModerate Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:05:33pm |
Obamacare isn't what Democrats wanted, and honestly it's still a bandaid on a gaping wound.
Three words.
Single. Payer. System.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:05:42pm |
Producer's note for Mitt: You can't blame Obama for Republican obstructionism. That shit's canon from the last three years, man.— Wil Wheaton (@wilw) October 4, 2012
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danarchy Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:05:43pm |
re: #537 JamesWI
Lehrer's letting Romney go on for 5 minutes, cutting off Obama directly at 2?
Obama is up on time by three minutes, so I think you are seeing a bias where it doesn't exist.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:05:45pm |
re: #559 Ghost of Tom Joad
Caffeinated drinks are a no-no for Mormons, no?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:06:14pm |
re: #555 Talking Point Detective
I'd say that it would be almost impossible to actually read what I wrote and miss the sarcasm. The lack of logic was complete. The fact that it was also accurately reflective of the logic of some posters here is rather amusing, IMO.
There are trolls around, so it's easy to confuse the folks at home.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:06:17pm |
re: #562 RadicalModerate
Obamacare isn't what Democrats wanted, and honestly it's still a bandaid on a gaping wound.
Three words.
Single. Payer. System.
My three words. No. Cost. Control.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:06:48pm |
re: #567 Kid A
My three words. No. Cost. Control.
Those are three words that don't have to do anything with single payer, though.
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:06:48pm |
re: #564 danarchy
Obama is up on time by three minutes, so I think you are seeing a bias where it doesn't exist.
Where are you seeing the time stats (not questioning what you said, just wondering where you get it)
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:06:48pm |
re: #562 RadicalModerate
Considering the Senate and House, it's an amazing feat that Obamacare as is got passed, let alone Single Payer.
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Talking Point Detective Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:06:48pm |
I thought that Obama was too passive during the last election. There were many aggressive arguments I thought he should have made during debates, and I was disappointed that he didn't make them.
And then I watched the election results.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:06:48pm |
re: #451 Barflytom
Actually, "I'm not Obama" should be good enough for anyone who hasn't been in a coma for the last 4 years.
Why do you lefties take an obviously useless, incompetent phoney like Obama seriously ?
the economy has been on the upturn since four months after the obama came into office, insurance companies will soon no longer be able to deny or terminate insurance, bin ladin is dead, and general motors is alive
any more questions
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Mich-again Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:06:48pm |
re: #545 Kaessa
I think Obama would have had better bipartisan support if the Republicans weren't determined to make him a one-term president as their main priority.
Of course.. From day one they've been on a mission to sabotage the economy so they could blame it all on Obama. There hasn't been a single serious attempt by the GOP to do anything constructive.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:07:02pm |
re: #451 Barflytom
Bin Laden is dead.
GM is alive.
More than Mittens will ever be able to say and thus, more than good enough for me.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:07:13pm |
re: #566 Decatur Deb
There are trolls around, so it's easy to confuse the folks at home.
Especially when we're reading and typing a little faster than normal.
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:07:21pm |
Pre-existing conditions are covered under my plan......No they're fucking not, you shameless fucking liar.
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danarchy Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:07:29pm |
re: #570 JamesWI
Where are you seeing the time stats (not questioning what you said, just wondering where you get it)
CNN has a ticker on the bottom right of the screen
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ipsos Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:07:33pm |
Dammit, what I want here is the Biden/Romney debate. We're not gonna get one of those, are we?
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:07:49pm |
re: #569 Sheeplord
Those are three words that don't have to do anything with single payer, though.
Correct. I should have been more specific that I meant the AHCA.
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Barflytom Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:07:57pm |
re: #536 Tigger2005
Actually I'm not a "lefty," I'm a moderate. I've voted Republican and Democrat. Last election, I actually voted for McCain. I haven't been in a coma the last four years, and what I've seen is a an intelligent, thoughtful and hard-working President who is not driven by ideology and who seeks and proposes real solutions, and who has accomplished a great deal despite having to work with a hostile, obstructionist Congress for most of his term. He's also a strong President who's made us safer by improving our relations with much of the rest of the world and taking out many top members of al-Qaeda, including Osama bin Laden.
If you can provide facts and evidence to back up your assertion that Obama is a "useless, incompetent phoney," I'll be happy to consider them. However, I will counter with an extremely long list of Obama's accomplishments and I will expect you to read them.
The Democrats had complete control of congress for his first two years, including a fillibuster-proof majority in the senate. He seems to have made a point of appeasing enemies and pissing off allies as far as foreign relations go. He's a phoney because he's obviously a hard left idealogue trying to pretend to be a "moderate" in order to get elected.
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Talking Point Detective Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:08:15pm |
re: #560 Killgore Trout
I think so too. It's mostly a body language issue. He's speaking too fast, blinking too much, moving his head around, etc. It's all superficial but he looks flustered.
I just love the scientific nature of your analysis. So objective.
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JeffM70 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:08:55pm |
re: #548 freetoken
He's been solid, but this format is made for him. I don't think he'll fair as well in the town hall format and I think Obama is going to hammer him on foreign policy where Mitt has demonstrated a dangerous level of ignorance.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:08:59pm |
re: #585 Barflytom
The Democrats had complete control of congress for his first two years, including a fillibuster-proof majority in the senate. He seems to have made a point of appeasing enemies and pissing off allies as far as foreign relations go. He's a phoney because he's obviously a hard left idealogue trying to pretend to be a "moderate" in order to get elected.
Oh horseshit and you know it.
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researchok Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:09:01pm |
re: #583 Gus
Unfortunately.
I would have preferred a more substantive debate.
Obama can hold his own. He's been forced to respond, not take the debate initiative.
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Interesting Times Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:09:05pm |
re: #573 Talking Point Detective
I thought that Obama was too passive during the last election. There were many aggressive arguments I thought he should have made during debates, and I was disappointed that he didn't make them.
And then I watched the election results.
Good point. Hoping that lightning strikes twice. The Corporate Media will cream themselves over how game-changing this is and Romney comeback and Obama doooomed and so on and so forth.
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krypto Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:09:14pm |
How are pre-existing conditions covered under Romney';s non-existent "plan" -- the last thing he said was that removing regulation would have the "free market" make insurance companies compete to lose money by putting sick people on their insurance rolls -- a really dumb idea from the smartest businessman in the GOP.
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jaunte Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:09:29pm |
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nines09 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:10:14pm |
There are death panels. They are called insurance companies. Also see Mike Huckabee.
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R.M, Ramallo Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:10:23pm |
re: #519 Barflytom
Quite the little mind reader, aren't you ?
Have you ever heard of "projection" ?
How much cash do you have on you right now, and how much of it are you willing to bet on Romney or Obama winning the elect
Projection, why yes! That's the thing that Right Wing assholes do.
And believe me dear, your little quips are so typical, that mind reading isn't necessary.
How stupid is it to make a bet with an anonymous person?
Good try though. Clever. You get a gold star!
re: #588 Ghost of Tom JoadOh horseshit and you know it.
Mind reader says no.
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researchok Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:10:32pm |
re: #585 Barflytom
I'm more of legitimate right o9f center type than you,
Have a better idea- not a better put down.
I repeat- you are an idiot.
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mr.fusion Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:10:32pm |
Romney just went full on "Death Panel"
Incredible
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Belafon Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:10:58pm |
re: #585 Barflytom
Yes, they had a filibuster proof majority for the two months between when Franken finally got seated - remember the long lawsuit to keep him out of his seat - and when Kennedy died.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:11:54pm |
re: #341 Barflytom
[snipped vomit]
Intrade and others have been offering ridiculous odds on the election recently. If any of you lefties reading here want to get out of your current state of poverty, try a bet on Romney for the election - you can get 4/1 odds, or at least you could before this debate.....
"Current state of poverty", you're a fucking idiot aren't you.
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ಠ_ಠ Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:12:56pm |
Rid Romney just flip-flop twice on vouchers? And again on regulation?
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Barflytom Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:13:25pm |
re: #574 engineer cat
the economy has been on the upturn since four months after the obama came into office, insurance companies will soon no longer be able to deny or terminate insurance, bin ladin is dead, and general motors is alive
any more questions
Yes, one more question. Are you really an engineer ?
I've noticed a few things you've posted here which could qualify for the "most innumerate lefty" award. I assume that you would be able to do basic arithmetic if you were qualified as an engineer.
I suppose if you define "upturn" as "not quite dead yet" then you're correct. And what exactly did O contribute to finding bin Laden ?
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Tigger2005 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:16:34pm |
re: #585 Barflytom
The Democrats had complete control of congress for his first two years, including a fillibuster-proof majority in the senate.
LIE long-debunked LIE. This is a LIE, and everyone here knows it. Look it up, idiot.
He seems to have made a point of appeasing enemies and pissing off allies as far as foreign relations go.
Please provide specifics.
He's a phoney because he's obviously a hard left idealogue trying to pretend to be a "moderate" in order to get elected.
Please provide examples of how, in four years in office, Obama has "obviously" acted like a "hard left ideologue."
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Mark Winter Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:19:35pm |
re: #597 Belafon
Yes, they had a filibuster proof majority for the two months between when Franken finally got seated - remember the long lawsuit to keep him out of his seat - and when Kennedy died.
Wasn't there a guy called Lieberman?
| 605 |
engineer cat Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:19:45pm |
re: #602 Barflytom
Yes, one more question. Are you really an engineer ?
I've noticed a few things you've posted here which could qualify for the "most innumerate lefty" award. I assume that you would be able to do basic arithmetic if you were qualified as an engineer.
I suppose if you define "upturn" as "not quite dead yet" then you're correct. And what exactly did O contribute to finding bin Laden ?
yes, i have been a professional software engineer for 27 years now, and algorithms i've created have their own chapters in books on programming
if you think that programming is about math, then you don't know much about it. i've made some math mistakes, but i had to pass calculus and discreet math to get a degree in computer science.
now you can return the favor and tell us what your professional qualifications are
when obama took office, both the stock market and employment were going down. since a few months after he took office, they have been going up. you say you are a literate person, but you've made a basic mistake in knowing some basic facts about the economy. perhaps i should question your ability to read and understand news reports
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Talking Point Detective Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:20:19pm |
re: #590 Interesting Times
Good point. Hoping that lightning strikes twice. The Corporate Media will cream themselves over how game-changing this is and Romney comeback and Obama doooomed and so on and so forth.
The Corporate Media covered the last election also, in exactly the same way. All the better pollsters expect this election to get closer. Most say that odds of Romney overcoming his deficit in the electoral college races are long.
Consider that you're watching the debate with fear of Obama doing poorly and Romney doing well. That affects your conclusions about how it's going. My guess is that your emotional investment might lead you to be overly concerned about any degree to which the media may portray Romney as coming off looking better. But you are a decided voter - as are most folks. What matters is how will the relatively few who aren't already decided judge this debate. I doubt that many are going to be swayed by how this debate is covered in the media. (And further, my guess is that the media will not cover this debate as being a decisive victory one way or the other, anyway).
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:22:02pm |
re: #602 Barflytom
i forebear the temptation to answer this rude and ignorant question in the spirit it was asked. it wouldn't set the correct tone for this forum
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Tigger2005 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:22:56pm |
re: #602 Barflytom
I suppose if you define "upturn" as "not quite dead yet" then you're correct.
Before Bush left office the economy had CRASHED and we were losing 600,000 jobs a month. The fact that the economy is "not dead yet" as you put it is frankly an accomplishment in itself, one achieved with little to no help from Congress. Had Congress actually cooperated...and again, the claim that Obama had a filibuster-proof supermajority for two years is a damn outright LIE..we'd probably be doing much better.
And what exactly did O contribute to finding bin Laden ?
Oh, made it a priority, unlike Bush? Gave the agencies the resources and push they needed to do the job? Made the call for a risky operation on Pakistani soil that could have easily blown up in his face?
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:23:13pm |
re: #602 Barflytom
people who can't support their arguments quickly resort to ad hominem attacks
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Barflytom Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:23:49pm |
re: #603 Tigger2005
LIE long-debunked LIE. This is a LIE, and everyone here knows it. Look it up, idiot.
Please provide specifics.
Please provide examples of how, in four years in office, Obama has "obviously" acted like a "hard left ideologue."
They passed Obamacare with no Republican votes, and with 60 votes in the Senate.
Shafting Poland and the Czech republic over missile defence, the Churchill bust, the obviously broken relationship with Netanyahu. Note also that the likelihood of a middle eastern regime being overthrown is more or less inversely proportional to how hostile they are to western interests.
"Spread the wealth", "redistribution", "you didn't build that", "free markets have never worked"....
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Patricia Kayden Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:24:04pm |
President Obama looks a little tired. I've never been undecided, so I'm not sure if this debate is enough for Romney. Will await the polls.
Can't say I like Lehrer as a moderator.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:26:02pm |
re: #451 Barflytom
Actually, "I'm not Obama" should be good enough for anyone who hasn't been in a coma for the last 4 years.
Why do you lefties take an obviously useless, incompetent phoney like Obama seriously ?
Your mother must cry when she thinks of what she has birthed upon the world.
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renata39.5 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:28:19pm |
Excellent bringing up the extremists in the R party and Romney's relationship with them.
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Barflytom Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:29:50pm |
re: #608 Tigger2005
Before Bush left office the economy had CRASHED and we were losing 600,000 jobs a month. The fact that the economy is "not dead yet" as you put it is frankly an accomplishment in itself, one achieved with little to no help from Congress. Had Congress actually cooperated...and again, the claim that Obama had a filibuster-proof supermajority for two years is a damn outright LIE..we'd probably be doing much better.
Oh, made it a priority, unlike Bush? Gave the agencies the resources and push they needed to do the job? Made the call for a risky operation on Pakistani soil that could have easily blown up in his face?
Obamacare passed without a single Republican vote, and the dems had 60 votes in the senate at the time. Are you disputing that ?
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:30:22pm |
re: #602 Barflytom
hey asshole - i answered your rude question
so - what do you do for a living that makes you qualified to comment on anything?
afraid to answer?
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renata39.5 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:34:23pm |
re: #616 Patricia Kayden
He doesn't need zingers, he has an unspecified plan that will fix everything even though the details are secret and vague. Trust him. It's awesome and has no drawbacks.
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Tigger2005 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:36:54pm |
re: #610 Barflytom
They passed Obamacare with no Republican votes, and with 60 votes in the Senate.
So what? The point is that there was no filibuster proof majority for two years. That is a LIE.
Shafting Poland and the Czech republic over missile defence the Churchill bust, the obviously broken relationship with Netanyahu. Note also that the likelihood of a middle eastern regime being overthrown is more or less inversely proportional to how hostile they are to western interests.
The Churchill bust was another fake rightwing "outrage." Completely made up. Your comment about middle eastern regimes makes no sense. What, we were supposed to stand up for dictators when their people rose up against them? If it's so darned easy to overthrow hostile regimes, why didn't Bush take care of Syria and Iran?
"Spread the wealth", "redistribution", "you didn't build that", "free markets have never worked"....
How is "spread the wealth" or "redistribution" radical? What I call radical is allowing an increasing amount of the world's wealth to be concentrated in the hands of a few. And oh boy, the "you didn't build that" crap. You know Obama was talking about the infrastructure that supports businesses, not the businesses themselves, yet you repeat this fucking lie. I have never heard Obama say "free markets have never worked," but he did say in a Rolling Stone interview that the free market is the greatest job creating system in history.
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Tigger2005 Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:37:44pm |
re: #614 Barflytom
Obamacare passed without a single Republican vote, and the dems had 60 votes in the senate at the time. Are you disputing that ?
Huh? When did I say I was disputing that? I am disputing your fucking LIE that the Democrats at a supermajority for two years. What does Obamacare have to do with that?
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Oct 3, 2012 7:43:16pm |
re: #585 Barflytom
The Democrats had complete control of congress for his first two years, including a fillibuster-proof majority in the senate. He seems to have made a point of appeasing enemies and pissing off allies as far as foreign relations go. He's a phoney because he's obviously a hard left idealogue trying to pretend to be a "moderate" in order to get elected.
I bet 6th grade was the worst 3 years of your life.
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