Since we’re still talking about it, here’s the complete unedited video for reference.
And here’s the full transcript at the Denver Post: Transcript: First Presidential Debate, Obama vs. Romney.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Thu, Oct 4, 2012 12:52:08pm |
Looks like Mitt is in the Matrix and the operator is uploading a program that teaches him how to play a piano.
Sorry, /nerd.
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Kragar Thu, Oct 4, 2012 12:52:23pm |
Well, considering Donald Trump said that the debate marked day one of the election, I guess that mean I have no choice but to vote for Mitt now.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 4, 2012 12:53:17pm |
God regarding Trump. I wonder if Donald is upset that Mitt didn't bring up the birth certificate.
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Kragar Thu, Oct 4, 2012 12:54:55pm |
re: #3 HappyWarrior
God regarding Trump. I wonder if Donald is upset that Mitt didn't bring up the birth certificate.
He's got 2 more debates.
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JamesWI Thu, Oct 4, 2012 12:55:35pm |
Aguirre said that the trouble began after an article published by Denver Westword earlier this week reported that their mother had refused the Romney campaign’s offer because “religion and politics don’t mix.”
“Since this article came out we have been getting hate emails, from people across the country, people sending us death threats and people calling us telling us we are racist… that they hope we go out of business,” Aguirre wrote in a letter on Wednesday. “If we do go out of business our Annual Thanksgiving Feast to the needy would end. Last year we fed 5500 meals, this year we may serve above 6000 meals.”
That's the party of family values for ya!
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erik_t Thu, Oct 4, 2012 12:57:57pm |
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 4, 2012 12:58:04pm |
re: #5 JamesWI
That's the party of family values for ya!
Seriously? People death threaten over the stupidest things. I don't blame the cafe owners. They probably didn't want their cafe turning into a circus with a presidential candidate, one that has Secret Service protection at that visiting their cafe. People are idiots.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 4, 2012 12:58:25pm |
re: #6 erik_t
Well they shouldn't have tried to limit Romney's freedom of speech like that.
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Freedom of Speech or is it Freedom of Peach.
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Patricia Kayden Thu, Oct 4, 2012 12:58:44pm |
@5, Yes such lovely people and so respectful of the First Amendment.
Poor Obama. I can imagine all the grief he's getting today for last night's performance. It wasn't good, but I don't think anyone who was going to vote for him is going to vote for Romney based on this one debate. Romney lied all night long. Hope that President Obama brings his A-game to the next 2 debates and calls Romney out on his lies to his face.
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Cheechako Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:01:41pm |
Romney looked and acted like the car salesman in the Honda commercial on TV: "See, this car has buttons, all kinds of buttons, large buttons, small buttons, and even a button for buttons!"
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Ming Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:07:08pm |
In hindsight, it seems logical for Romney to have rebooted himself as the "Rockefeller Republican liberal Governor of Massachusetts". That's exactly how he won the Massachusetts Governor's race in 2002. That persona gave him a come-from-behind victory in 2002. It was logical to morph into that now.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:11:59pm |
re: #13 Charles Johnson
And the NYT has a full interactive version that syncs up the video/transcript, and editorial content.
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Destro Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:12:08pm |
The majority of Americans think everyone sucked at the debate and that opinion includes the moderator's performance.
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Destro Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:13:34pm |
re: #1 Ghost of Tom Joad
Looks like Mitt is in the Matrix and the operator is uploading a program that teaches him how to play a piano.
Sorry, /nerd.
I thought he was doing his Star Wars emperor imitation. Sorry, even bigger nerd reference.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:14:38pm |
Mitt Romney's "5 point plan" is the EXACTsame 5 point plan John McCain had in 2008 and Bush had in 2006:slate.me/RfrlZd— Slate (@Slate) October 4, 2012
Mike Konczal:
Romney Will Solve the Crisis with the Exact Same GOP Plan of 2008, 2006, 2004...
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JamesWI Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:16:02pm |
Meanwhile, Obama raised $150 million in September.
Enough to flood the airwaves with ads simply showing Mitt contradicting himself.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:16:04pm |
re: #18 jaunte
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But Mitt said it was different. Really, same old recycled talking points. Different communicator.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:18:45pm |
Yeah, about Obama "losing" last night....
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jaunte Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:19:56pm |
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JamesWI Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:23:36pm |
Check out the 30K-strong crowd awaiting @barackobama in Madison right now. #wow twitter.com/Lis_Smith/stat…
— Lis Smith (@Lis_Smith) October 4, 2012
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:23:50pm |
re: #21 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Yeah, about Obama "losing" last night....
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I think those ads will be effective in the long run. Romney will gain some short-term ground but as people see the ads and see that Romney lied his ass off last night, we'll see a backlash.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:25:13pm |
granted I am listening to MSNBC but even Bubbles Greenspan was grilling Sununu on Romney's lies. Obama let Romney hang himself last night and in the long run I think it will have been effective.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:27:16pm |
re: #27 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
granted I am listening to MSNBC but even Bubbles Greenspan was grilling Sununu on Romney's lies. Obama let Romney hang himself last night and in the long run I think it will have been effective.
I really think so. I think Obama could have done better last night but sometimes you're not your best and if that happens, look for and exploit what your opponent did or didn't do. In this case it was Mitts complete departure from what he's been saying on the stump and in interviews.
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researchok Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:29:05pm |
Notwithstanding last nights show, I believe Obama will have a much better showing in the upcoming debates.
National security and to a lesser (but not by much) foreign policy are Obama's clear strong suits. Romney cannot recover from his poor judgement and disastrous reaction to the Libya debacle. That will stick.
Obama also has to do a better job explaining his social policies.
The right has done a good job at framing the differences between him and Romney as an 'either or' vision for America, subtly implying Obama rejects individuals freedoms in favor of big government.
That is not quite true. What Obama is doing is not unlike upgrading to new technologies.
I do not believe he is reforming the American experiment to replace it with something else. It seems to me Obama is looking further ahead. Surely he knows some of his ideas will be challenged, but I don't believe he fears that. He just wants to point the nation in the right direction as he sees it.
Is he getting it right all the time? Nope- and I don't believe he'd disagree. This is new territory and a new world to boot and that world is changing. There will be a lot more than 'bumps in the road' and that's OK. That is the real world. He is no messiah and neither is Romney.
America's greatness lies in her ability to self correct- and to make compromise succeed in a most spectacular way.
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JamesWI Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:29:30pm |
re: #26 Gus
Holy smokes.
Twitter is loading really slow for me today.
It's been a while since I've been in Madison, looks like it's on Bascom Hill. Definitely a big place that can fit tons of people. Though it would be sort of awkward for people watching, since it looks like the stage is about halfway down the hill, facing to the side.
Bascom Hill from above: [Link: photos.news.wisc.edu...]
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Gus Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:29:31pm |
Seriously. #Romney used Gish Gallop Debate method - Rapid-fire changing topics the opponent can't possibly all refute under debate protocol— AMC (@Truthbuster) October 4, 2012
The Gish Gallop, named after creationist Duane Gish, is the debating technique of drowning the opponent in such a torrent of half-truths, lies, and straw-man arguments that the opponent cannot possibly answer every falsehood in real time. The term was coined by Eugenie Scott of the National Center for Science Education.
The formal debating jargon term for this is spreading. You can hear some mindboggling examples here. It arose as a way to throw as much rubbish into five minutes as possible. In response, some debate judges now limit number of arguments as well as time. However, in places where debating judges aren't there to call bullshit on the practice, like the internet, such techniques are remarkably common.
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erik_t Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:30:02pm |
re: #30 JamesWI
It's been a while since I've been in Madison, looks like it's on Bascom Hill. Definitely a big place that can fit tons of people. Though it would be sort of awkward for people watching, since it looks like the stage is about halfway down the hill, facing to the side.
Bascom Hill from above: [Link: photos.news.wisc.edu...]
It's absolutely Bascom. Same place ESPN likes to put Gameday.
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allegro Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:30:59pm |
re: #27 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
granted I am listening to MSNBC but even Bubbles Greenspan was grilling Sununu on Romney's lies. Obama let Romney hang himself last night and in the long run I think it will have been effective.
I tend to agree. Obama is a master at the long game. I noticed a couple of times last night during the debate that Obama looked at Romney with an expression that had it been a gun would have shot Romney dead. I suspect it took all of his will power to keep from firing. He ran a nearly flawless campaign in 2008 and this one has been equally, if not more impressive. I have to think that he knows well what he's doing.
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jaunte Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:31:21pm |
re: #31 Gus
Robert Costa at NRO: "The goal was to overwhelm the president with liveliness and information."
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gwangung Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:32:02pm |
re: #31 Gus
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This was EXACTLY what I was thinking.
Its like they were testbedding Republican tactics with the creationist debacles.
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Achilles Tang Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:32:17pm |
What I don't understand is how Obama let Romney get away with so many lies unchallenged aggressively.
For just one example, Romney plans to "create" 12 million jobs in his 4 years. I understand that just at the current rate there will be 12 million jobs created over 4 years, and that is not enough.
I can only hope he will have some testosterone injections before the next debate.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:32:34pm |
re: #34 jaunte
Robert Costa at NRO: "The goal was to overwhelm the president with liveliness and information."
Information? Is that what Costa calls Mitt going back on everything he's said along with some cheap point about PBS being needed to be axed to fix the deficit? Really what world do they live on? Romney was confident sure, confidently lying.
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JamesWI Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:35:40pm |
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erik_t Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:36:43pm |
re: #39 JamesWI
I wonder what they're doing with his motorcade. There's really not a lot of easy road access to Bascom, and not much parking except for a garage like 5 blocks away.
Clearly he should just take a boat.
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Gus Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:38:04pm |
Per Obama campaign, 30,000 people are waiting to see him speak at UW Madison. Seems likely. yfrog.com/gy626bdj— Jeremy W. Peters (@jwpetersNYT) October 4, 2012
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Mr. Crankypants Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:39:43pm |
re: #10 Cheechako
Romney looked and acted like the car salesman in the Honda commercial on TV: "See, this car has buttons, all kinds of buttons, large buttons, small buttons, and even a button for buttons!"
He reminded me of Joe Isuzu.
Same pitch, too. "You have my word on it."
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:40:22pm |
re: #41 Gus
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He's having one near here tomorrow too. I think they already sold out.
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Mattand Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:40:31pm |
re: #35 gwangung
This was EXACTLY what I was thinking.
Its like they were testbedding Republican tactics with the creationist debacles.
I didn't watch the debate, but the descriptions of Romney's responses were the living definition of the Gish Gallop. Leave to a Republican to use a debate tactic perfected by creationists.
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JamesWI Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:42:10pm |
Streaming now, he just got on stage:
[Link: www.ustream.tv...]
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HappyWarrior Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:43:41pm |
Hearing about that huge crowd in Wisconsin. As I said, it's what you do with the debate that matters as much as the debate. Obama had a rough night last night but it seems like he's back on the stump and ready as ever.
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JamesWI Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:46:09pm |
"When I got on stage, I met this spirited fellow who claimed to be Mitt Romney! But he couldn't be Mitt Romney, because Romney's been going around throughout the campaign promising $5 trillion in tax cuts. This fellow on stage said he never said that!"
(Not direct quote, close paraphrasing)
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JamesWI Thu, Oct 4, 2012 1:47:10pm |
He's really hitting him hard on the difference between the two Mitt Romneys. Wish he did a little of this last night, but it looks like he knows what he's doing now.
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