Science Committee Member Broun: Evolution, Embryology, Big Bang Are ‘Lies From the Pit of Hell’

The GOP puts young earth creationists in charge of science
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Speaking in front of a wall of dead deer heads, here’s Georgia Republican Rep. Paul Broun explaining that evolution, embryology, and the Big Bang are all lies straight from the pit of hell.

From Rep. Paul Broun’s (R-GA) remarks at the Liberty Baptist Church Sportsman’s Banquet on September 27, 2012, in Hartwell, Georgia:

BROUN: God’s word is true. I’ve come to understand that. All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell. And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior. You see, there are a lot of scientific data that I’ve found out as a scientist that actually show that this is really a young Earth. I don’t believe that the Earth’s but about 9,000 years old. I believe it was created in six days as we know them. That’s what the Bible says.

And what I’ve come to learn is that it’s the manufacturer’s handbook, is what I call it. It teaches us how to run our lives individually, how to run our families, how to run our churches. But it teaches us how to run all of public policy and everything in society. And that’s the reason as your congressman I hold the Holy Bible as being the major directions to me of how I vote in Washington, D.C., and I’ll continue to do that.

Rep. Broun, like Missouri caveman Todd Akin, serves on the House of Representatives Committee on Science, Space, and Technology.

I’ll let that sink in for a second.

Paul Broun, Todd Akin — these are the people that the Republican Party puts in charge of science at the highest level of the government. Extreme right wing fundamentalists and young earth creationists who believe science is a tool of Satan.

(h/t: Benjy Sarlin.)

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245 comments
1 dragonfire1981  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:14:52pm

Hope you don't mind Kragar, I'm reposting this because I feel it needs to be seen:

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2 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:15:25pm

This is the GOP equivalent of the YouTube video of "Obamaphone Woman"

3 Kragar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:16:29pm

And it is exactly because of shit like this that after being a registered Republican for close to 20 years, I will never vote for another one as long as I live, at any level, for any position.

4 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:16:56pm

This is a good point, Charles.
Paul Broun, Todd Akin — these are the people that the Republican Party puts in charge of science at the highest level of the government. Extreme right wing fundamentalists and young earth creationists who believe science is a tool of Satan
Just another reminder of how fucked up the modern Republican party is.

5 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:17:03pm

Even moreso: "Obamaphone Woman" is just some random person in the street, this guy is actual elected member of Congress, much more "typical GOP" than "Obamaphone Woman" is "typical Dem"

6 b_sharp  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:17:04pm

What type of 'scientist' is Broun?

7 Blizard  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:18:46pm

I just have to say what-the-what-in-the-fuck!

Just. Damn.

I'm out, time to go sell some skis today. Laterz.

8 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:19:27pm

re: #6 reflections of a raging redneck

He has an M.D. apparently.

9 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:20:25pm

re: #3 Kragar

And it is exactly because of shit like this that after being a registered Republican for close to 20 years, I will never vote for another one as long as I live, at any level, for any position.

Pretty much the same here.

10 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:20:41pm

re: #8 ArchangelMichael

He has an M.D. apparently.

How the hell do you get a MD by thinking evolutionary is a lie form the pit of hell?

11 Randall Gross  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:21:35pm

re: #9 ArchangelMichael

Pretty much the same here.

Same here

12 b_sharp  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:22:01pm

He's a general physician, he's not a scientist.
He's lying and he probably doesn't even know it.

13 Lidane  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:22:33pm

re: #6 reflections of a raging redneck

What type of 'scientist' it Broun?

He's an M.D., and apparently had a practice based solely on house calls:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

14 allegro  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:23:19pm

re: #6 reflections of a raging redneck

What type of 'scientist' it Broun?

A very bad one.

15 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:24:13pm

Still though, I would think a M.D's education includes science classes that pretty much validate Darwin's theory of evolution. Look at this way, I only had two semesters of college science and understanding evolution was essential for passing the classes.

16 erik_t  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:24:15pm

re: #12 reflections of a raging redneck

He's a general physician, he's not a scientist.
He's lying and he probably doesn't even know it.

He specifically calls out evolution and embryology. High school biology is more than fucking enough to cover these things, probably even in the asscrack of Georgia. And you sure as hell take some actual factual college biology in the process of picking up a MD.

He sure as hell knows it.

17 allegro  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:24:25pm

re: #13 Lidane

He's an M.D., and apparently had a practice based solely on house calls:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I wouldn't let him treat my houseplants.

18 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:24:28pm

If only the deer heads could actually do this...

19 jaunte  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:24:42pm

The Bible says nothing about antibiotics. Broun had better stay away from Satan's little pills.

20 b_sharp  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:24:44pm

re: #10 HappyWarrior

How the hell do you get a MD by thinking evolutionary is a lie form the pit of hell?

That's a common misunderstanding. General medical degrees are about diagnostics, not about evolution or a deep understanding of biology. This was a topic at talk origins and Pharyngula several years ago.

21 Kragar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:24:59pm

Why do so many people reject the evidence of God's work in favor of myths and bullshit dreamed up by charlatan's and nutjobs over the centuries?

What's the bigger miracle, that God created the world over billions of years, using observable phenomenon that we can study and learn about and from to improve ourselves and gain a better understanding of how God works or that God made the Earth in a week using magic and if you don't believe that, you're going to burn for all eternity, but God loves you?

These people are primitive throwbacks who should be shunned and ostracized.

22 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:25:52pm

Holy Hell...
This is so...
Shit, I'm at a loss for words.

23 dragonfire1981  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:26:02pm

Are the employment numbers being gamed up North too?

/

(Reuters) - Canada's economy added a higher-than-expected 52,100 jobs in September, largely due to a spike in full-time work, according to Statistics Canada data released on Friday.

The unemployment rate rose 0.1 percentage points to 7.4 percent in September. The six-month average for increase in employment is now 21,600.

24 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:27:22pm

re: #20 reflections of a raging redneck

That's a common misunderstanding. General medical degrees are about diagnostics, not about evolution or a deep understanding of biology. This was a topic at talk origins and Pharyngula several years ago.

I would imagine that most people who get medical degrees major in some science at an undergraduate level though. My cousin is becoming a vet. He majored in biology I'm pretty sure.

25 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:28:31pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

Shop smart. Shop S Mart.

26 allegro  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:28:34pm

What I have never been able to grok is all this passion and angst over a freaking book. A book. Written by some guys who got together, kinda like the Grimm brothers, to share a bunch of fables and morality plays. I can understand its entertainment value but beyond that it has the same value as any other book of fairy tales.

27 erik_t  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:28:58pm

re: #20 reflections of a raging redneck

That's a common misunderstanding. General medical degrees are about diagnostics, not about evolution or a deep understanding of biology. This was a topic at talk origins and Pharyngula several years ago.

Evolution isn't a deep understanding of biology. It's literally the most basic possible aspect of biology.

28 Lidane  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:29:50pm

re: #26 allegro

What I have never been able to grok is all this passion and angst over a freaking book. A book. Written by some guys who got together, kinda like the Grimm brothers, to share a bunch of fables and morality plays. I can understand its entertainment value but beyond that it has the same value as any other book of fairy tales.

I've been trying to figure that out for decades. I don't get it at all.

29 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:30:09pm

Well they did send Bolton "The Stash" to the U.N. as a representative. And all the repub pols always run for government office even though the gov is an emissary to satan.

30 calochortus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:30:30pm

Dear Rep. Broun,

The Bible isn't literally true and I can prove it.

John 14:13 (and various other places in the New Testament) say that anything asked in Jesus' name will be granted to glorify God. OK, ask that I, an atheist, be converted to a devout Christian and publicly confess my faith. Now. That ought to be well within the boundaries of reasonable request.

Hasn't happened yet. When it does, I'll be happy to support your simplistic take on the universe.

Me

31 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:30:40pm

This is yet another example of cognitive dissonance. Trying to explain away scientific principles and theories of evolution and embryology on faith. Not on science, but on belief.

Wishful thinking is more like it, and someone like this is all too likely to adopt views on other subject areas (think climatology/global warming, environmental protection - clean air/water) that would lead to bad outcomes.

32 allegro  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:31:41pm

re: #27 erik_t

Evolution isn't a deep understanding of biology. It's literally the most basic possible aspect of biology.

Indeed. How can a physician treat a body for disease organisms without an understanding of mutation, adaptation, and recombinant DNA?

33 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:31:49pm
All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the Big Bang Theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell. And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior.

He doesn't believe in syntax either, apparently.

34 b_sharp  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:33:04pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

I would imagine that most people who get medical degrees major in some science at an undergraduate level. My cousin is becoming a vet. He majored in biology I'm pretty sure.

I understand that, but the comments made by biologists like PZ and Harshman stressed that having an MD is no guarantee of an understanding of how evolution works. Evolution gets down to the nitty-gritty of DNA/RNA and how it forms an organism. Doctors don't have to become that reductionist because their work is in how larger structures interact.

Most creationists pass their classes through memorization, not necessarily understanding.

35 calochortus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:33:26pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

I would imagine that most people who get medical degrees major in some science at an undergraduate level though. My cousin is becoming a vet. He majored in biology I'm pretty sure.

I have a M.S. in geology from a reasonably prestigious school. One of my fellow grad students was a young earth creationist. Apparently none of the things she had to learn to pass her classes (and she did pass her classes) made an impact on her world view. I believe you could do something similar to get through the science you need to be a doctor.

36 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:33:36pm

Stick to the Sermon on the Mount Mr. Broun, and "Love your Neighbor."

37 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:34:31pm

I've never felt more spiritual than when watching Cosmos.
Carl Sagan could outpreach any of the pastors I've ever met.
Period.

38 Kragar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:34:40pm

You know what you call the guy who graduates dead last in his class at Med School?

Doctor.

39 dragonath  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:35:03pm
40 A Mom Anon  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:35:13pm

There's more than a few of these morons down here,sadly. For some reason a good percentage of them are/were doctors. Tom Price is an orthopedist,Phil Gingrey is an OB/GYN(((shudder))). Both are tea party,climate change denying,evolution rejecting freaks of nature. Those are the two I know of personally(having lived in both of their districts). We also have buffoons like Lynn Westmoreland who called the Barack and Michelle "uppity"and then doubled down on that when called on it.

I wish I could move outta here,it's depressing sometimes.

41 erik_t  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:35:15pm

re: #30 calochortus

Dear Rep. Broun,

The Bible isn't literally true and I can prove it.

Pi: not three.

42 Destro  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:35:23pm

It's because of people like him and the ignorant things he spouts that I now cringe at hearing the southern accent - an accent I had previously found pleasant to my ears.

43 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:35:35pm

re: #35 calochortus

I have a M.S. in geology from a reasonably prestigious school. One of my fellow grad students was a young earth creationist. Apparently none of the things she had to learn to pass her classes (and she did pass her classes) made an impact on her world view. I believe you could do something similar to get through the science you need to be a doctor.

Yeah I guess you're right. Me, I'm just a history BA with very little scientific training and just amazed how people can think the earth is 5000 years old and take the word of a holy book literally.

44 calochortus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:35:51pm

re: #38 Kragar

You know what you call the guy who graduates dead last in his class at Med School?

Doctor.

They do still have to pass their Boards and stuff...

45 b_sharp  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:36:37pm

re: #27 erik_t

Evolution isn't a deep understanding of biology. It's literally the most basic possible aspect of biology.

Not if you're looking for the fundamental processes going on that determine how a gene is controlled.

Evolution at it's basic is a change in population due to preferential survival of offspring, but that is just scratching the surface.

46 Kragar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:36:46pm

re: #44 calochortus

They do still have to pass their Boards and stuff...

Shut up, I'm rolling.
/

47 calochortus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:37:33pm

re: #41 erik_t

Pi: not three.

I'm not understanding you.

48 calochortus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:38:23pm

re: #46 Kragar

Shut up, I'm rolling.
/

Consider it unsaid!

49 b_sharp  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:39:31pm

re: #32 allegro

Indeed. How can a physician treat a body for disease organisms without an understanding of mutation, adaptation, and recombinant DNA?

Why would a general physician need to know mutation, adaptation and DNA to diagnose Whooping Cough and prescribe an antibiotic?

50 Bulworth  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:40:03pm
You see, there are a lot of scientific data that I’ve found out as a scientist that actually show that this is really a young Earth. I don’t believe that the Earth’s but about 9,000 years old. I believe it was created in six days as we know them. That’s what the Bible says.

"There are a lot of studies......"

51 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:42:11pm

re: #47 calochortus

Pi is a very unaesthetic number & Bucky Fuller hated "pi," and to try and get around that number, began to experiment with the close packing of spheres, and this line of experiment led to the geodesic dome.

52 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:42:51pm

re: #49 reflections of a raging redneck

Why would a general physician need to know mutation, adaptation and DNA to diagnose Whooping Cough and prescribe an antibiotic?

Because different groups tend to respond to medications in different ways.
A drug that cures one person can kill another.

53 Bulworth  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:43:22pm
....lies straight from the pit of Hell. And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior. You see, there are a lot of scientific data....

I'm very much interested in learning about the scientific data on Hell.

54 calochortus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:43:41pm

re: #51 Ojoe

Pi is a very unaesthetic number & Bucky Fuller hated "pi," and to try and get around that number, began to experiment with the close packing of spheres, and this line of experiment led to the geodesic dome.

Gah! It must be time for new glasses. I read it as pl, not pi. No wonder it didn't make sense.

55 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:44:15pm

re: #50 Bulworth

Actually since time and space are joined, any question about how "old" something is, (or how big), is an incomplete question and as such has no real answer.

56 wrenchwench  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:44:56pm

Pit of hell = science class? Was it that hard, Dr. Broun?

57 Kragar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:46:19pm
58 Sionainn  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:46:24pm

re: #24 HappyWarrior

I would imagine that most people who get medical degrees major in some science at an undergraduate level though. My cousin is becoming a vet. He majored in biology I'm pretty sure.

His major was chemistry.

59 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:47:00pm

re: #56 wrenchwench

Pit of hell = science class? Was it that hard, Dr. Broun?

Hey that was chemistry for me. I had it first thing in the morning with a teacher who taught it like a college professor.

60 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:47:49pm

re: #58 Sionainn

His major was chemistry.

Damn then, as I said, I would think someone with a B.S would understand evolutionary theory.

61 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:48:14pm

There's a simple explanation as to why southern evangelicals deny evolution an the age of the Earth...

62 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:49:11pm

re: #53 Bulworth

Well, we theorize that there are nine planes of Hell, and each is inhabited with different flora and fauna. Of particular note, succubi are existent on all planes and are believed to cross over. /

63 dragonath  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:49:29pm

re: #39 dragonath

For people who don't want to follow every single one of those links above:

Ralph Hall and Jim Sensenbrenner are climate change denialists.
Lamar Smith is pro-SOPA.
Dana Rorhabacher believes we should clear cut rain forests.
Randy Neubegauer is an anti-abortion extremist.
Michael McCaul has a 0% voting record on animals from the Humane Society.
Sandy Adams is a creationist.
Scott Rigell voted for the "No Climate Tax Pledge" and espouses US "sovereignity"
Steven Pallazo is an Americans for Properity shill.
Mo Brooks and Andy Harris are climate denialists.
Randy Hultgren is a creationist.
Chris Craavack is against climate education funding.
Larry Bucshon is also a climate denialist.

and Dan Benishek?

“It’s all baloney,” [Benishek] said in the interview. “To spend trillions of our dollars on this unproven science stuff is ridiculous.”

64 Kragar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:49:54pm

re: #61 Reverend Mother Ramallo

There's a simple explanation as to why southern evangelicals deny evolution an the age of the Earth...

They're not very bright and easily led.

65 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:50:02pm

I like Dante's hell.

66 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:50:51pm

re: #65 Ojoe

Open up!

67 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:52:06pm

re: #64 Kragar

They're not very bright and easily led.

Well...yeah, but I mean the other reason.

68 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:52:46pm
69 Kragar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:52:57pm

re: #67 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Well...yeah, but I mean the other reason.

God's will?

70 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:53:21pm

OT: Gregg Popovich is my favorite NBA coach.

Ever the political animal, Spurs coach Gregg Popovich gave his team a unique bit of homework Thursday.

Before practice, he handed each player a DVD of Wednesday night’s presidential debate to take home and watch.

“Of course, we have so many foreign guys on our team, they were quick to point out they can’t vote, so they shouldn’t be obligated to watch the debate,” forward Matt Bonner said. “Regardless, they live here, so it’s good for them to be aware.

71 engineer cat  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:54:15pm

And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior

jesus never taught this religion

72 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:54:20pm

re: #69 Kragar

God's will?

You crack me up!

73 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:54:24pm

re: #66 lawhawk

There is a copy of that at the Stanford University Campus in California.

74 calochortus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:55:07pm

re: #73 Ojoe

There is a copy of that at the Stanford University Campus in California.

Stanford is a copy of Hell? Who knew?

75 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:56:47pm

re: #28 Lidane

I've been trying to figure that out for decades. I don't get it at all.

The key is realizing that the goal is not Truth, it's control and power. And the Book is both the source and control for claiming and controlling the followers.

76 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:56:48pm

re: #73 Ojoe

That photo was taken at the Rodin museum in Paris 5 years ago. Damn... gotta get back there... it's been too long.

78 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:58:49pm

re: #63 dragonath

For people who don't want to follow every single one of those links above:

Ralph Hall and Jim Sensenbrenner are climate change denialists.
Lamar Smith is pro-SOPA.
Dana Rorhabacher believes we should clear cut rain forests.
Randy Neubegauer is an anti-abortion extremist.
Michael McCaul has a 0% voting record on animals from the Humane Society.
Sandy Adams is a creationist.
Scott Rigell voted for the "No Climate Tax Pledge" and espouses US "sovereignity"
Steven Pallazo is a Americans for Properity shill.
Mo Brooks and Andy Harris are climate denialists.
Randy Hultgren is a creationist.
Chris Craavack is against climate education funding.
Larry Bucshon is also a climate denialist.

and Dan Benishek?

And this is why it makes no sense, under current circumstances, to "vote the person, not the party". So what if your local Republican congressional candidate is a fine, upstanding sort? If you vote for him/her, you're just voting to give the Not-From-This-Reality Party continued control over the operations of Congress.

79 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:58:50pm

re: #77 William Barnett-Lewis

OT, but not, really:

The Boy Scouts of America is a disgusting bunch of homophobic slime

This makes me glad I never joined the scouts and that my brother quit knowing stuff like this was going on.

80 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:58:50pm

re: #76 lawhawk

They have a set of the Burghers of Calais at Stanforn too, and in San Francisco at the Palace of the Legion of Honor, there are quite a few Rodan sculptures, which Alma Spreckels bought new.

81 engineer cat  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:59:48pm

is he preaching to an audience of reindeer there? Christ's Mission to the Ungulates?

82 b_sharp  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 12:59:49pm

re: #52 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Because different groups tend to respond to medications in different ways.
A drug that cures one person can kill another.

That still doesn't require anything more than a cursory understanding of mutation, adaptation and DNA. What it does require is the ability to categorize a person through test results and to have memorized the best treatment for that category.

This is all about depth of knowledge. Knowing that cells mutate is not he same as understanding how and why the mutation causes specific changes. A mechanic doesn't need to know how oxygen combines with gasoline to form CO, CO2 and heat (eg: CH4 + 2 O2 → CO2 + 2 H2O + energy) to diagnose a problem with an engines timing or spark plugs.

That's all I'm getting at.

A doctor certainly doesn't need to know common descent, Punctuated Equilibrium, Retroviruses, or neutral drift to prescribe an enema.

83 lawhawk  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:00:42pm

re: #80 Ojoe

Likewise, there's a series of Rodin castings, plasters, and sculptures at the Rodin museum in Philly.

84 b_sharp  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:01:16pm

I give up.

85 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:01:22pm

re: #63 dragonath

For people who don't want to follow every single one of those links above:

Ralph Hall and Jim Sensenbrenner are climate change denialists.
Lamar Smith is pro-SOPA.
Dana Rorhabacher believes we should clear cut rain forests.
Randy Neubegauer is an anti-abortion extremist.
Michael McCaul has a 0% voting record on animals from the Humane Society.
Sandy Adams is a creationist.
Scott Rigell voted for the "No Climate Tax Pledge" and espouses US "sovereignity"
Steven Pallazo is an Americans for Properity shill.
Mo Brooks and Andy Harris are climate denialists.
Randy Hultgren is a creationist.
Chris Craavack is against climate education funding.
Larry Bucshon is also a climate denialist.

and Dan Benishek?

Someone should dig up an old Army ballistics table for them and see if they'll deny the science of that. :p

86 engineer cat  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:01:25pm

re: #80 Ojoe

They have a set of the Burghers of Calais at Stanforn too, and in San Francisco at the Palace of the Legion of Honor, there are quite a few Rodan sculptures, which Alma Spreckels bought new.

i thought godzilla killed rodan

87 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:03:31pm

re: #82 reflections of a raging redneck

That still doesn't require anything more than a cursory understanding of mutation, adaptation and DNA. What it does require is the ability to categorize a person through test results and to have memorized the best treatment for that category.

This is all about depth of knowledge. Knowing that cells mutate is not he same as understanding how and why the mutation causes specific changes. A mechanic doesn't need to know how oxygen combines with gasoline to form CO, CO2 and heat (eg: CH4 + 2 O2 → CO2 + 2 H2O + energy) to diagnose a problem with an engines timing or spark plugs.

That's all I'm getting at.


A doctor certainly doesn't need to know common descent, Punctuated Equilibrium, Retroviruses, or neutral drift to prescribe an enema.

Gotcha.
And I agree.

88 Bulworth  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:03:51pm
Well, we theorize that there are nine planes of Hell, and each is inhabited with different flora and fauna. Of particular note, succubi are existent on all planes and are believed to cross over. /

It's just a theory! Ha! Teach the controversy! //

89 calochortus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:03:55pm

re: #80 Ojoe

They have a set of the Burghers of Calais at Stanforn too, and in San Francisco at the Palace of the Legion of Honor, there are quite a few Rodan sculptures, which Alma Spreckels bought new.

Mrs. Spreckles was an interesting, and IMHO, generally admirable person.

90 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:04:10pm

re: #78 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

And this is why it makes no sense, under current circumstances, to "vote the person, not the party". So what if your local Republican congressional candidate is a fine, upstanding sort? If you vote for him/her, you're just voting to give the Not-From-This-Reality Party continued control over the operations of Congress.

QFT.

91 dragonath  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:04:26pm

I think I mentioned once that one of my scout leaders embezzled my popcorn funds and they let him get away with that.

In my experience it was massively corrupt and idiotically regimented.

92 allegro  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:05:23pm

re: #49 reflections of a raging redneck

Why would a general physician need to know mutation, adaptation and DNA to diagnose Whooping Cough and prescribe an antibiotic?

We have a rather large and startling problem right now with antibiotic resistant pathogens. I should think that an understanding of what the problem is and why it is happening would be essential in competently treating patients for any pathogen.

93 calochortus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:07:04pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

When my son was in Scouts, none of this was such a big issue-at least not in the Bay Area. No one ever asked about religion or sexual orientation. No one asked about the latter because sex wasn't something we viewed as a troop activity.

BSA leadership has certainly gone off the deep end in the last decade or so.

94 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:07:15pm

re: #83 lawhawk

I think you might still be able to order up your own copy of a lot of his sculptures.

95 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:08:03pm

re: #93 calochortus

We ignored all that stuff in the troop my kids were in.

96 calochortus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:08:54pm

re: #95 Ojoe

And I'll bet everyone had a good time and learned things even without that.

97 calochortus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:09:38pm

BBL Right now I need to get stuff done.

98 dragonath  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:09:40pm

e.coli was God's perfect creation before that devil science got in there and evolved everything!

99 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:11:40pm

re: #92 allegro

We have a rather large and startling problem right now with antibiotic resistant pathogens. I should think that an understanding of what the problem is and why it is happening would be essential in competently treating patients for any pathogen.

That's microevolution, and even most creationists accept that. Wake me when the bacteria start evolving legs and gall bladders.

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100 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:12:00pm

re: #96 calochortus

Yes we had a great time.

101 Kragar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:12:45pm

Jackson: The Church Must 'Tell Us Who to Vote For'

All sorts of Religious Right activists are stressing the importance of prayer heading into this election and now Harry Jackson has produced a four-minute video on the need for "40 Days of Prayer for our Nation" in which he urges Christians to pray that their local churches as well as those around the nation will "speak to us and give us direction; they need to tell us who to vote for":

102 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:14:26pm

re: #93 calochortus

When my son was in Scouts, none of this was such a big issue-at least not in the Bay Area. No one ever asked about religion or sexual orientation. No one asked about the latter because sex wasn't something we viewed as a troop activity.

BSA leadership has certainly gone off the deep end in the last decade or so.

It is amazing how as the country has gotten more open-minded about homosexuality as a whole, the BSA seems to have gone off the deep end.

104 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:15:29pm

re: #101 Kragar

Jackson: The Church Must 'Tell Us Who to Vote For'

Then they should accept being taxed if they want to engage in political activity. Oh wait, they want to have it both ways.

105 SpaceJesus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:16:42pm

re: #101 Kragar

heheh, "harry jackson"

106 SpaceJesus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:18:12pm

i am a child

107 allegro  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:18:47pm

re: #101 Kragar

Jackson: The Church Must 'Tell Us Who to Vote For'

I was about to compare them to sheep but I don't want to insult sheep that are plum freethinkers next to these pathetic souls.

108 dragonath  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:22:10pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

Some generations are more conservative than others. I sometimes look at comic strips from the 40s and 50s and see things that the newspapers would not touch today. Al Capp was putting down religion in the 50s and he could get away with it.

I think the scouts have a bigger problem, not least the whole rank system.

109 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:22:16pm
110 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:22:27pm

re: #107 allegro

I was about to compare them to sheep but I don't want to insult sheep that are plum freethinkers next to these pathetic souls.

Not to mention the potential benefits of the development of ovine aviation.

111 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:22:48pm
112 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:23:09pm

You are all individuals !

113 SpaceJesus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:23:58pm

anybody see this yet?

114 Kragar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:24:10pm

Romney: Economy improving because Americans are ‘giving up and dropping out’

Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney said Friday that the nation’s improving unemployment rate actually means that “more and more Americans” have simply decided they don’t want to work anymore, “giving up and dropping out” of the job hunt.

“The unemployment rate, as you know, this year has come down very, very slowly, but it’s come down nonetheless,” he told voters in Abingdon, Virginia on Friday. “The reason it’s come down this year is primarily due to the fact that more and more people have just stopped looking for work. And if you just drop out of the workforce, if you just give up and say, ‘Look, I can’t go back to work. I’m just going to stay home.’ If you just drop out altogether, why, you’re no longer part of the employment statistics, so it looks like unemployment is getting better.”

He added that the “real reality” is that unemployment would be closer to 11 percent if those workers were accounted for. However, BLS statistics show that the labor force participation rate has only dropped by 2 percent since Obama took office, which doesn’t come close to covering the spread in Romney’s claim.

115 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:25:19pm

re: #114 Kragar

Romney: Economy improving because Americans are ‘giving up and dropping out’

Sounds like 47%-ers to me. Say what you really feel about them Mitt!

116 S'latch  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:25:20pm

The Apocalypse may be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

117 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:27:46pm

re: #108 dragonath

Some generations are more conservative than others. I sometimes look at comic strips from the 40s and 50s and see things that the newspapers would not touch today. Al Capp was putting down religion in the 50s and he could get away with it.

I think the scouts have a bigger problem, not least the whole rank system.

True that.

118 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:27:56pm

I'll be damned...Paul Ryan isn't a birther. In fact, when his constituents call him to complain about the Kenyan, Ryan's office replies by sending them a copy of President Obama's birth certificate.

“Since President Obama was elected, many individuals have expressed concerns regarding his citizenship and eligibility to serve as the President of the United States given the requirements delineated in the Constitution,” one of the letters says. “On April 27, 2011, in response to these criticisms, President Obama released the long form of his birth certificate, which was issued by the Hawaii State Department of Health.”

The office attaches a copy of the birth certificate to its response. The certificate shows Obama was born Aug. 4, 1961 at a hospital in Honolulu.

“I certainly understand the importance of this issue,” the letter says, “and I hope you find the information useful.”

Credit where credit is due. Kudos, Paul, you Randian fuckwit.

119 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:29:39pm

re: #114 Kragar

Romney: Economy improving because Americans are ‘giving up and dropping out’

Sour grapes from the King Of All Free Marketeers.

120 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:30:48pm

re: #118 darthstar

I'll be damned...Paul Ryan isn't a birther. In fact, when his constituents call him to complain about the Kenyan, Ryan's office replies by sending them a copy of President Obama's birth certificate.

Credit where credit is due. Kudos, Paul, you Randian fuckwit.

Heh, talk about damning with faint praise but yeah I'll give Ryan credit for not engaging in birther crap or even "I take the president at his word."

121 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:32:24pm

re: #114 Kragar

Romney: Economy improving because Americans are ‘giving up and dropping out’

This is typical Mitt. Being a spiteful douchebag when the facts don't support his bullshit.

122 Kragar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:33:06pm

‘Third Eagle’ posts new song protesting ‘first gay president’ Obama

Third Eagle is a 71-year-old retired furniture engineer named William Tapley. Tapley claims he received his inspiration to rename himself Third Eagle directly from God.

“My title ‘Third Eagle of the Apocalypse’ came to me when I asked God who was the ‘Eagle’ as found in Revelation 8:13. He told me: ‘you are,’” writes Tapley on the home page of his YouTube channel, Third Eagle’s Prophesies and Warnings. “Now, I should explain, I do not hear voices, but sometimes God gives prophecy to me by a revelation which I know comes not from my own thoughts but outside my mind. My title “Co Prophet of the End Times” means that I complete the end times prophecies of Daniel, Ezekiel, Esther, John and even of our Lord in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24-25).”

In his new song, “Take the ‘R’ Train,” a kind of barrelhouse blues for Casio keyboard and green screen, Third Eagle urges Americans to “vote for Mitt Romney/Paul Ryan too” because “they’ve got the ‘R’ train/rolling for you.”

Other ingenious rhymes include, “hear the conductor calling out all ‘board/ please don’t be late/ movin’ through the gate or you’ll never move for’d” and “Let’s out Obama/like Newsweek did/he is our first/gay president./After November/Michelle will leave/And he’ll shack up with/George, Ed or Steve.”

123 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:34:09pm
124 Ojoe  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:34:32pm

Employment-population ratio (BLS). This is the actual picture.

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125 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:34:49pm

re: #114 Kragar

Romney: Economy improving because Americans are ‘giving up and dropping out’

Those are just his supporters giving up and dropping out.

126 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:35:36pm

re: #120 HappyWarrior

Heh, talk about damning with faint praise but yeah I'll give Ryan credit for not engaging in birther crap or even "I take the president at his word."

I said 'kudos'...

127 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:36:29pm

re: #126 darthstar

I said 'kudos'...

I know. But still. This bar's been set low. It does beat what Mitt's been doing. You know "you need an American."

128 calochortus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:36:41pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

It is amazing how as the country has gotten more open-minded about homosexuality as a whole, the BSA seems to have gone off the deep end.

Maybe they're getting scared because the rest of the country is more open-minded.

129 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:37:52pm
130 A Mom Anon  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:38:03pm

re: #122 Kragar

Used to be when people said they heard voices telling them things,the family would try to get them some help. Now apparently either the families don't care or are too scared to act.

131 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:38:39pm
132 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:38:50pm

re: #128 calochortus

Maybe they're getting scared because the rest of the country is more open-minded.

True that.

133 Kragar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:39:24pm

re: #131 darthstar

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134 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:40:07pm
135 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:40:45pm

Well, I hope they enjoyed that euphoria after the debate, cause it didn't last too long.
Mitt looks like a bigger ass with each passing day.

136 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:41:44pm

Even Fox Business analysts are running away from the wingnut conspiracy theory about the jobs numbers.

137 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:42:41pm

re: #136 darthstar

Even Fox Business analysts are running away from the wingnut conspiracy theory about the jobs numbers.

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They're in on it too. Saul Alinsky's ghost paid them off with ghost dollars.

138 Mattand  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:44:39pm

re: #122 Kragar

‘Third Eagle’ posts new song protesting ‘first gay president’ Obama

It takes a certain kind of songwriter to make Justin Bieber look Beethoven.

139 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:44:43pm

re: #136 darthstar

Even Fox Business analysts are running away from the wingnut conspiracy theory about the jobs numbers.

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And yes, he was very emphatic about it.

McShane hosted Fox News contributor Monica Crowley, who cast doubt on the number on Twitter, and said "right off the top" that the numbers are "not fudged. Because that's an important part of this discussion. When you start going down that road, I mean there's no data, no facts, nothing supports that."

Co-anchor Dagen McDowell replied: "I was just going to say, it's like bitching about polls. It's like bitching that the polls are wrong." In recent weeks, conservative media figures have embraced the conspiracy theory that pollsters and the media are skewing data to benefit Obama.

Several Fox personalities, including Fox Business personalities Stuart Varney and Charles Payne, have echoed Welch in suggesting that the jobs numbers are fishy.

McShane also refuted the conspiracy theory on Twitter, writing: "Turning into a crazy day on twitter. We should be clear. There is ZERO evidence to support the theory that the jobs number is fudged. Zero."

There are a few people at Fox, apparently, who have finally had enough parroting the party line.

140 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:44:45pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

The BSA is heavily influenced by the Southern Baptists, The Catholic Church and the Mormons. Kind of an axis-of-evil when it comes to gay rights.

141 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:44:54pm

re: #135 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Well, I hope they enjoyed that euphoria after the debate, cause it didn't last too long.
Mitt looks like a bigger ass with each passing day.

I don't know what Mitt did yesterday other than go on Hannity and apologize for the 47% comments which Hannity asked him about. Really doesn't seem like smart strategy to me to go on Fox News after you gain some momentum but no one accused Mitt's campaign of being smart.

142 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:46:04pm

re: #136 darthstar

Even Fox Business analysts are running away from the wingnut conspiracy theory about the jobs numbers.

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Possibly smart enough to realize that a network news non-editorial bit backing some sort of nebulous conspiracy is outright causing harm to their credibility. And would probably be crossing a line that can not be uncrossed.

143 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:46:22pm

re: #139 darthstar

There are a few people at Fox, apparently, who have finally had enough parroting the party line.

Yeah, but it's Friday. They'll get their paychecks and drift right back into line.

144 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:46:32pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

I don't know what Mitt did yesterday other than go on Hannity and apologize for the 47% comments which Hannity asked him about. Really doesn't seem like smart strategy to me to go on Fox News after you gain some momentum but no one accused Mitt's campaign of being smart.

It didn't make sense...Alex Wagner was guessing that was his prepared response for if President Obama asked about the 47% in the debates and he wanted to use it. The Romney campaign's biggest liability is Mitt Romney. And I'm thankful for that.

145 Aligarr  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:48:32pm

It's seems minimal intelligence and sanity are NOT pre-requisites to hold office in Washington . It's bad enough that those 530 or so elected to office form the highest crime demographic in the country per a group of that size , now they take "second prize " as the dumbest .
Oh brother are we in trouble or what !

Any reasonable response to climate change in this country , doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell .

146 Mattand  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:48:59pm

re: #102 HappyWarrior

It is amazing how as the country has gotten more open-minded about homosexuality as a whole, the BSA seems to have gone off the deep end.

Mentioned it before, but I know a guy who's big on the BSA who thinks the Girl Scouts promote a lesbian agenda.

When I laughed in his face, he got pissed. Which was a little dumb on my part, as he's sort of a dotted line boss to me when I work at his place. Still was worth it.

147 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:49:06pm

re: #144 darthstar

It didn't make sense...Alex Wagner was guessing that was his prepared response for if President Obama asked about the 47% in the debates and he wanted to use it. The Romney campaign's biggest liability is Mitt Romney. And I'm thankful for that.

I'm thankful for that too. Because really bringing up PBS and how you plan to cut it as "proof" of your "toughness" on the deficit has lent itself to some great laughs in recent days including that one you just posted of Big Bird tied up to the top of the Romney family car.

148 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:49:47pm

re: #142 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Possibly smart enough to realize that a network news non-editorial bit backing some sort of nebulous conspiracy is outright causing harm to their credibility. And would probably be crossing a line that can not be uncrossed.

They could also be shopping their resumes at other business networks like Bloomberg. Think Bloomberg will hire someone who spouts crazy conspiracy shit? They're numbers people. They let the numbers speak for themselves. In fact, when Paul Ryan was on Bloomberg the other day and tried to use the 'it's too complicated to explain and we'd lose viewers if I tried' excuse, they said, "We're numbers people!" That was an awkward moment for him.

149 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:52:44pm

re: #146 Mattand

Mentioned it before, but I know a guy who's big on the BSA who thinks the Girl Scouts promote a hot lesbian fantasyagenda.

Yeah. And it's almost Halloween.
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150 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:54:07pm

Speaking of halloween...(for ggt)

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151 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:55:02pm

re: #122 Kragar

‘Third Eagle’ posts new song protesting ‘first gay president’ Obama

Okay, Bill, nice take. Let's run that again. Can you stand a couple yards to your left this time?

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152 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:57:16pm

re: #149 darthstar

Yeah. And it's almost Halloween.
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Happy Halloween..............

153 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:58:57pm

re: #104 HappyWarrior

Then they should accept being taxed if they want to engage in political activity. Oh wait, they want to have it both ways.

Yeah, we leave them alone and they are free to fuck with us as they please.

154 calochortus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 1:59:44pm

re: #146 Mattand

Mentioned it before, but I know a guy who's big on the BSA who thinks the Girl Scouts promote a lesbian agenda.

Jeesh, don't you know that any group that tries to help girls/women be able to live their life without absolutely having to have a man encourages lesbianism? //

Unfortunately, based on my experience with the Girl Scouts*, they won't really be a danger in that department.

*years ago in a less than progressive area.

155 engineer cat  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:02:24pm

re: #146 Mattand

Mentioned it before, but I know a guy who's big on the BSA who thinks the Girl Scouts promote a lesbian agenda.

some people don't realize how much they are revealing about their pr0n watching predilections

156 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:02:52pm

Braves-Cards about to start soon.

157 Mattand  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:03:04pm
158 calochortus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:03:22pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

May your preferred team win.

159 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:03:58pm

re: #158 calochortus

May your preferred team win.

Oh, my team plays later tonight in Texas. I'm an Orioles fan but I figured we got some Cards or Braves fans in the house.

160 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:04:12pm

Tweety has Jack Welch on Hardball right now.

161 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:04:37pm
162 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:05:39pm

re: #148 darthstar

They could also be shopping their resumes at other business networks like Bloomberg

Not very likely. Perhaps another network but Bloomberg doesn't have real big numbers in the states

They do have a large presence in and around Asia

163 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:06:27pm

re: #122 Kragar

‘Third Eagle’ posts new song protesting ‘first gay president’ Obama

Yeah, I had a friend in High School whose father thought he was Jesus Christ. He went away for quite awhile to a place where he could rest. I don't know if he ever came back out since I left town before graduation and haven't talked to my HS friend since. He said it used to really freak him out when his dad would command him to knell and pray to him before being confined to the rest institution. Would freak me too.

164 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:07:05pm

re: #161 darthstar

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165 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:08:59pm

re: #160 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Tweety has a Jack Welch on Hardball right now.

There's more than one of him? [shudder]

166 SteveMcG  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:10:04pm

Jack Welch is getting his Donald Trump on.

167 calochortus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:10:32pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

Well, good luck to the Orioles later. :-)

168 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:10:44pm

Welch is getting hammered and sounding like a total fool.

169 A Mom Anon  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:10:48pm

re: #161 darthstar

I've been encouraging everyone to do that,each state has a webpage allowing you to make sure your registration is in the system and up to date. The secretary of state webpage or the state board of elections usually has the info there and easy to find. There should also be early voting info in those places too. If you can't find it there,check your county board of elections webpage.

170 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:11:13pm

Welch is JUST ASKING QUESTIONS!!!

171 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:11:14pm

re: #167 calochortus

Well, good luck to the Orioles later. :-)

Thanks. It's been an unbelievable year.

172 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:11:27pm

re: #159 HappyWarrior

Oh, my team plays later tonight in Texas. I'm an Orioles fan but I figured we got some Cards or Braves fans in the house.

Rooting for the Braves for a couple of reasons

A), when my father was a kid he used to be a huge Braves fan (they started in Boston) and to this day he still roots for them (as long as they're not playing the Red Sox)
B) My son is very close friends to the son of the Braves head trainer, Jeff Porter. The son was in the car New Years Eve night when their car was hit. The mother died from her injuries (who we also knew ,, my wife played on a tennis team with her)

173 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:12:28pm

re: #168 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Welch is getting hammered and sounding like a total fool.

This is on MSNBC? Kinda surprising that they'd go at him hard, he used to be the Big Cheese there.

174 ElCapitanAmerica  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:13:38pm

Ironically, the Big Bang theory or as he called it the "hypothesis of the primeval atom" was developed by Monseigneur Georges Lemaître, a Catholic priest who was also an astronomer and professor of physics.

St. Augustine of Hippo warned us about people like Broun;

Usually, even a non-Christian knows something about the earth, the heavens, and the other elements of the world, about the motion and orbit of the stars and even their size and relative positions, about the predictable eclipses of the sun and moon, the cycles of the years and the seasons, about the kinds of animals, shrubs, stones, and so forth, and this knowledge he holds to as being certain from reason and experience. Now, it is a disgraceful and dangerous thing for an infidel to hear a Christian, presumably giving the meaning of Holy Scripture, talking nonsense on these topics; and we should take all means to prevent such an embarrassing situation, in which people show up vast ignorance in a Christian and laugh it to scorn. The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion

175 SteveMcG  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:14:06pm

Matthews even mentioned that Welch made them a lot of money. I guess he had stock options or something.

176 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:14:54pm

re: #172 sattv4u2

Rooting for the Braves for a couple of reasons

A), when my father was a kid he used to be a huge Braves fan (they started in Boston) and to this day he still roots for them (as long as they're not playing the Red Sox)
B) My son is very close friends to the son of the Braves head trainer, Jeff Porter. The son was in the car New Years Eve night when their car was hit. The mother died from her injuries (who we also knew ,, my wife played on a tennis team with her)

Yeah I think a lot of people forget about the Braves origins in Boston. They had a pretty good fanbase too. I read a little about that when I read about an epic pitcher's duel that Spahn and Marichal. That sucks about the trainer's wife. Terrible to happen. I'm rooting for the Braves too. I want to see Chipper make it far in his last hurrah. I admire guys who play their whole career with one team. Pretty interesting how two of the wild card teams were their respective league winner last year.

177 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:16:21pm

Code Pink activists warned of possible terrorist strike against anti-drone rally in Pakistan

According to the peace activists, U.S. diplomats alerted them in person to information from what the diplomats said were “credible sources” that a suicide attack is planned against the march. The activists, who spoke on condition of anonymity because they were briefed in confidence, said the diplomats showed them a piece of paper that contained a one-line summary of the threat and implored them not to go, but they did not provide further details of the danger. U.S. officials confirmed the account.

The Code Pink activists, who staged a small demonstration in Islamabad on Friday night, insisted they would go ahead.

178 dragonath  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:16:29pm

I think the Big Bang Theory came from from the pit of hell too.

The TV show, I mean.

179 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:16:53pm

re: #178 dragonath

I think the Big Bang Theory came from from the pit of hell too.

The TV show, I mean.

It's that bad? Seriously I've never watched.

180 dragonath  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:20:41pm

It's the "That 70s Show" formula, with a zany, annoying geek thrown in.

181 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:21:10pm

re: #169 A Mom Anon

I've been encouraging everyone to do that,each state has a webpage allowing you to make sure your registration is in the system and up to date. The secretary of state webpage or the state board of elections usually has the info there and easy to find. There should also be early voting info in those places too. If you can't find it there,check your county board of elections webpage.

I concur with doing that to avoid a "November Surprise". I checked my status on-line a few weeks ago.

182 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:21:13pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

That sucks about the trainer's wife.

Wonderful woman
Their son David, (my son's friend) is a great kid.

183 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:21:42pm

re: #173 makeitstop

yeah, Mathews did not go easy on him.

184 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:21:50pm

re: #182 sattv4u2

That sucks about the trainer's wife.

Wonderful woman
Their son David, (my son's friend) is a great kid.

I bet on both counts.

185 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:22:20pm

re: #180 dragonath

It's the "That 70s Show" formula, with a zany, annoying geek thrown in.

I liked that 70's show but I also had and have a crush on Mila but yeah doesn't sound my style.

186 CarleeCork  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:22:54pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

It's that bad? Seriously I've never watched.

It's one of the best shows on TV.

187 BongCrodny  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:23:00pm

re: #180 dragonath

It's the "That 70s Show" formula, with a zany, annoying geek thrown in.

Small correction: FOUR zany, annoyng geeks.

188 erik_t  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:23:07pm

Another victory for democracy.

The Obama campaign won another victory in Ohio Friday, when a federal appeals court backed a trial judge’s decision to block a measure that restricted early voting in the swing state.

The Obama campaign and others who challenged the law argued that it disproportionately affected minority and working class residents. In August, U.S. District Judge Peter Economus blocked the measure, saying that all Ohioans have a constitutionally protected right to participate in the 2012 election on an equal basis. The judge’s order restored in-person early voting to all Ohio voters up to the day before the election.

“While we readily acknowledge the need to provide military voters more time to vote, we see no corresponding justification for giving others less time,” wrote Judge Eric Clay, a Clinton appointee, for the majority.

189 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:24:03pm

re: #186 CarleeCork

It's one of the best shows on TV.

Damning with faint praise I see.

190 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:24:46pm

re: #177 Killgore Trout

The Code Pink activists, who staged a small demonstration in Islamabad on Friday night, insisted they would go ahead.

As misguided as they are to ignore the warning, I pray nothing happens to any of them.

191 calochortus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:24:57pm

re: #188 erik_t

Another victory for democracy.

“While we readily acknowledge the need to provide military voters more time to vote, we see no corresponding justification for giving others less time,” wrote Judge Eric Clay, a Clinton appointee, for the majority.

If you can't pay them a living wage or provide services veterans need, maybe you can just let them have extra time to vote and we'll call it even? //

192 Robert O.  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:25:42pm

When I read about Islam in the Middle East & Central Asia, and I read about right-wing Christianity in America and its variants in Africa, more and more I am agreeing with Marx's point of view vis-a-vis religion. He may have gotten economics wrong, but on religion, he is 100% correct and ahead of his time. Read his exact quotation and grasp the wisdom of every word, particularly pay attention to the last two paragraphs:

"The foundation of irreligious criticism is: Man makes religion, religion does not make man. Religion is, indeed, the self-consciousness and self-esteem of man who has either not yet won through to himself, or has already lost himself again. But man is no abstract being squatting outside the world. Man is the world of man – state, society. This state and this society produce religion, which is an inverted consciousness of the world, because they are an inverted world. Religion is the general theory of this world, its encyclopaedic compendium, its logic in popular form, its spiritual point d’honneur, its enthusiasm, its moral sanction, its solemn complement, and its universal basis of consolation and justification. It is the fantastic realization of the human essence since the human essence has not acquired any true reality. The struggle against religion is, therefore, indirectly the struggle against that world whose spiritual aroma is religion.

Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions. The criticism of religion is, therefore, in embryo, the criticism of that vale of tears of which religion is the halo."

- Karl Marx

193 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:25:57pm

re: #188 erik_t

Another victory for democracy.

“While we readily acknowledge the need to provide military voters more time to vote, we see no corresponding justification for giving others less time,” wrote Judge Eric Clay, a Clinton appointee, for the majority.
This is the best point.

194 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:26:16pm

re: #191 calochortus

If you can't pay them a living wage or provide services veterans need, maybe you can just let them have extra time to vote and we'll call it even?

Military members had the extra time. The state was trying to restrict early voting for civilians.

195 calochortus  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:27:17pm

re: #194 makeitstop

I know, I probably should have included a sarc tag-will fix that.

196 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:27:56pm

An email made public by the campaign of a New York Democratic congressional candidate suggests that Rep. Richard Hanna (R-NY) threatened to cut down on advertising buys with a local television station if it went ahead with a planned taping of a Q & A with his challenger.

197 makeitstop  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:28:08pm

re: #194 makeitstop

Military members had the extra time. The state was trying to restrict early voting for civilians.

That was when the O administration stepped in to get early voting rights for everyone, and the RWNJs started screaming that Obama was trying to 'restrict the military vote.'

198 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:29:12pm

re: #140 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

The BSA is heavily influenced by the Southern Baptists, The Catholic Church and the Mormons. Kind of an axis-of-evil when it comes to gay rights.

Uhh, not quite...Southern Baptist churches aren't real big on Scouting (Boy or Girl), because the BSA isn't theocratic enough for them. While there are Baptist churches, Southern Baptist or otherwise, that do have Scouting units, a lot do Royal Rangers (a Scouts-like org with Much Moar Jesus), started by the Assemblies of God, but other denominations do it too.

For the record, I'm in Scouting and have been for over 25 years, boy and man. I think that it can be good for boys and girls (yes, there are co-ed Scouting units, under the aegis of Venturing and Learning for Life); I strongly disagree with National on many things, the ban on gay members included. However, my view is that I give my time and my money to my troop and our Scouts, my district, and my council (in that order), not to National; anything above that is negotiable and subject to common sense.

199 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:29:28pm

Police Hunt Goateed Woman In Kmart Larceny
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

Police are narrowing their search to traveling circuses and state fairs!!
//

200 JRCMYP  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:32:44pm

Good grief!

201 erik_t  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:33:15pm

re: #198 Gert Fröbe

a lot do Royal Rangers (a Scouts-like org with Much Moar Jesus)

Um. Whoa.

202 Mattand  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:34:13pm

re: #198 Gert Fröbe

Uhh, not quite...Southern Baptist churches aren't real big on Scouting (Boy or Girl), because the BSA isn't theocratic enough for them. While there are Baptist churches, Southern Baptist or otherwise, that do have Scouting units, a lot do Royal Rangers (Scouting with Much Moar Jesus), started by the Assemblies of God, but other denominations do it too.

For the record, I'm in Scouting and have been for over 25 years, boy and man. I think that it can be good for boys and girls (yes, there are co-ed Scouting units, under the aegis of Venturing and Learning for Life); I strongly disagree with National on many things, the ban on gay members included. However, my view is that I give my time and my money to my troop and our Scouts, my district, and my council (in that order), not to National; anything above that is negotiable and subject to common sense.

That's great, but at the end of the day, if an atheist or homosexual gets involved with your particular troop/district/council, isn't the National office is going to make you kick them out?

203 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:34:35pm

re: #200 JRCMYP

Good grief!

Thanks for the comment, Charlie Brown

204 Killgore Trout  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:34:37pm

re: #190 sattv4u2

The Code Pink activists, who staged a small demonstration in Islamabad on Friday night, insisted they would go ahead.

As misguided as they are to ignore the warning, I pray nothing happens to any of them.

Me too. They are horrible people but their fate may be things I wouldn't wish on anybody.

205 dragonath  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:34:42pm

This halloween, party in a room replete with unblinking, zombified deer heads!

206 erik_t  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:36:53pm

re: #202 Mattand

That's great, but at the end of the day, if an atheist or homosexual gets involved with your particular troop/district/council, isn't the National office is going to make you kick them out?

In practice, who's going to tell? My troop certainly didn't give a shit.

207 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:37:17pm

re: #199 sattv4u2

Police Hunt Goateed Woman In Kmart Larceny
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

Police are narrowing their search to traveling circuses and state fairs!!
//

Are they sure this isn't just an outtake from a John Waters film?

208 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:38:36pm

re: #206 erik_t

In practice, who's going to tell? My troop certainly didn't give a shit.

Neither did the several my son was in,, nor the one that one of his friends (and the friends father) are still active in!

209 Mattand  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:40:06pm

re: #206 erik_t

In practice, who's going to tell? My troop certainly didn't give a shit.

All it takes is one disgruntled fundie to file a complaint.

If an individual troop is cool with it, that's wonderful. Kind of implies they can't be open about who they are.

The other axiom, of course, why would any LGBT person or atheist want to be involved with a group that clearly doesn't respect them.

210 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:40:41pm

re: #204 Killgore Trout

Me too. They are horrible people but their fate may be things I wouldn't wish on anybody.

I'm also concerned (OH ,, NOEZZ!!) that if they get attacked or put upon will that result in any of our troops in the area being called in to harms way to protect them

Not well thought out on their part, imho

211 erik_t  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:41:30pm

re: #209 Mattand

The fundie would have to actually find out. As for the latter, we frankly had very little involvement with higher levels of the organization. As near as any of the kids could tell, it was an excuse to go camping with friends and develop life skills.

212 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:42:10pm

re: #207 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Are they sure this isn't just an outtake from a John Waters film?

The female perp had much better facial hair that Johns wispy 'stach

213 HappyWarrior  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:42:33pm

2-0 Braves.

214 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:42:49pm

re: #211 erik_t

The fundie would have to actually find out. As for the latter, we frankly had very little involvement with higher levels of the organization. As near as any of the kids could tell, it was an excuse to go camping with friends and develop life skills.

and fry ants with a magnifying glass!

215 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:43:30pm
216 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:48:10pm

Mmm...Morgan. And a cool story.

217 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:49:13pm

re: #216 darthstar

Mmm...Morgan. And a cool story.

[Embedded content]

At least he died happy.

“His one-metre-long penis is also intact so we can conclude that this was a male,” Tikhonov told AFP.

218 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:51:08pm

[Link: losangeles.cbslocal.com...]
OC Gang Member Tried To Grab Boy Going To Soccer Practice

If convicted, Victor will be forced to eat a salad!

219 sattv4u2  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:51:43pm

re: #217 darthstar

At least he died happy.

Morgan can pick through my bone(s) any time she wants too

220 JamesWI  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 2:56:15pm

Still spineless:

222 CarleeCork  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 3:03:12pm

re: #221 Charles Johnson

Image: bigbird.jpg

Michele bachmann gesticulating.

Man, she is scary looking.

223 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 3:03:45pm

Notice how those two images are automatically combined into a slideshow...

If you include more than one image in a comment, it automatically turns them into a slideshow. You can move through the images by clicking on the left or right side, or by typing left or right arrow keys.

224 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 3:05:52pm

re: #202 Mattand

That's great, but at the end of the day, if an atheist or homosexual gets involved with your particular troop/district/council, isn't the National office is going to make you kick them out?

Frankly, as far as that goes, what National doesn't know won't hurt us or the boys, but like with the fundies in politics, the fundies at National are going to have to either die, retire, or get the hint eventually when enough units and councils give them static before they'll give on the hard line they've chosen on this crap.

Otherwise, my view is that most things in Scouting are local and I'd just as soon keep it that way, because we Scouters are and should be in it for the boys (and girls, in co-ed Venturing and LfL units), not for a power trip.

225 darthstar  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 3:09:17pm

More bad news for Republicans. Revised jobs numbers look good for the summer.

Image: 10.5.2012.jobs.revised-1.png

226 freetoken  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 3:21:59pm

re: #192 Robert O.

Perhaps Marx was riffing on Napoleon?

Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich.
- Napoleon Bonaparte

227 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 3:23:03pm

re: #201 erik_t

Um. Whoa.

Yeah....

While the BSA has some major work to do on issues such as not kicking out gay and atheist members out that they find out about, the Royal Rangers and Royal Ambassadors are a whole 'nother kettle of fish.

Theocratic, Bible-thumping fish...

228 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 3:24:06pm

re: #3 Kragar

And it is exactly because of shit like this that after being a registered Republican for close to 20 years, I will never vote for another one as long as I live, at any level, for any position.

I am completely there with you. If Sarah Palin was the best that the party could come up with....Well I'm voting Obama again.

229 freetoken  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 3:25:44pm

Getting some play on the internet the past couple of days (at least among the science nerds):

The Date of Interbreeding between Neandertals and Modern Humans

One of the key discoveries from the analysis of the Neandertal genome is that Neandertals share more genetic variants with non-Africans than with Africans. This observation is consistent with two hypotheses: interbreeding between Neandertals and modern humans after modern humans emerged out of Africa or population structure in the ancestors of Neandertals and modern humans. These hypotheses make different predictions about the date of last gene exchange between the ancestors of Neandertals and modern non-Africans. We estimate this date by measuring the extent of linkage disequilibrium (LD) in the genomes of present-day Europeans and find that the last gene flow from Neandertals into Europeans likely occurred 37,000–86,000 years before the present (BP), and most likely 47,000–65,000 years ago. This supports the recent interbreeding hypothesis and suggests that interbreeding occurred when modern humans carrying Upper Paleolithic technologies encountered Neandertals as they expanded out of Africa.

I doubt Rep. Broun approves.

230 Charles Johnson  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 3:26:13pm

If you reload the page you'll now see a new button in the comment posting form: "Image Library." It brings up the mini-Image Library to let you insert pictures into your comments that you've previously uploaded.

231 freetoken  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 3:28:36pm

re: #230 Charles Johnson

Not getting it.

Same 4 buttons after the text entry window.

232 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 3:31:29pm

Edit on an earlier post: Southern Baptists don't do Royal Rangers, they have Royal Ambassadors, which is still a Scouting wannabe with Much Moar Jesus.

Different denominations, same theocratic Bible-thumping crap, more or less.

233 Aye Pod  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 4:13:28pm

re: #221 Charles Johnson

Image: bigbird.jpg

Michele bachmann gesticulating.

The inside of her gob is really black, like photons are just getting lost in there.

234 SidewaysQuark  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 5:36:23pm

Good good lord, this is terrifying. This shit (pardon the French) is why I'll never vote GOP again, until they publicly disavow this nonsense (an event I don't see coming any time soon).

235 CarleeCork  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 5:37:12pm

re: #228 Dancing along the light of day

I am completely there with you. If Sarah Palin was the best that the party could come up with....Well I'm voting Obama again.

She's better than Ryan.

236 efuseakay  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 6:18:13pm

re: #141 HappyWarrior

I don't know what Mitt did yesterday other than go on Hannity and apologize for the 47% comments which Hannity asked him about. Really doesn't seem like smart strategy to me to go on Fox News after you gain some momentum but no one accused Mitt's campaign of being smart.

He goes on Hannity to apologize for calling half of America lazy, then today he's saying half of America has given up looking for jobs.

It seems the real Slim Romney has once again stood up.

237 Tigger2005  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 6:29:22pm

re: #229 freetoken

Getting some play on the internet the past couple of days (at least among the science nerds):

The Date of Interbreeding between Neandertals and Modern Humans

I doubt Rep. Broun approves.

That was all modern females dating Neanderthal men. They dug them because they were big and hairy. The modern men disliked the Neanderthal females for the same reason.

238 Cap'n Magic  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 7:29:54pm

re: #8 ArchangelMichael

His Wikipedia profile mentions that he still makes housecalls as that is the biggest part of his practice. Wonder if he has admission privledges at hospitals.

239 Cap'n Magic  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 7:36:02pm

re: #168 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Welch's manipulations of GE's balance sheets over the years is one of the reasons for Sarbanes-Oxley-it took Enron and Worldcom to actually bring it to fruition. Sadly, it has been rarely enforced.

240 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 7:49:39pm

re: #237 Tigger2005

That was all modern females dating Neanderthal men. They dug them because they were big and hairy. The modern men disliked the Neanderthal females for the same reason.

Oh please. Modern men will screw anything.

241 moderatelyradicalliberal  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 7:53:50pm

re: #218 sattv4u2

[Link: losangeles.cbslocal.com...]
OC Gang Member Tried To Grab Boy Going To Soccer Practice

If convicted, Victor will be forced to eat a salad!

Based on the comments to wingnuts never miss an opportunity to spew their racism against Latinos and hatred of the president.

242 labman57  Fri, Oct 5, 2012 9:53:15pm

Well, the GOP placed Bachmann on the House Intelligence Committee, so ...

Just another one of many reality-challenged politicians and pundits who have embraced ignorance of the modern world and a distrust of the well-educated.

For we certainly don't want our national leaders to be eloquent, scientifically literate, and generally well-informed about the world in which we live. Much better to derive scientific theories based on the cherry-picked passages taken from the Bible and to form national public policy based on the rumors, gossip, and unverified anecdotal accounts taken from online blogs.

243 wheat-dogg  Sat, Oct 6, 2012 1:43:51am

re: #140 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

The BSA is heavily influenced by the Southern Baptists, The Catholic Church and the Mormons. Kind of an axis-of-evil when it comes to gay rights.

And believe it or not, churches like the Assembly of God feel the Boy Scouts are not Christian enough. They have something called the Royal Rangers as an alternative to the BSA.

UPDATE: And as usual, I'm Johnny-come-lately. Now I see Gert's #198. Nevermind.

244 sauceruney  Sat, Oct 6, 2012 8:14:59am

Yes, science has caused a lot of sane people to abandon the churches of their upbringing, leaving a whole lot of crazies behind with no one to keep them in check.

245 jayjaybear  Sat, Oct 6, 2012 1:41:19pm

re: #62 lawhawk

Well, we theorize that there are nine planes of Hell, and each is inhabited with different flora and fauna. Of particular note, succubi are existent on all planes and are believed to cross over. /

Nah. Succubi are demons (pardon me...tanar'ri) and live in the Abyss and surrounding planes. A succubus who showed up in the Hells (excuse me...Baator) would be torn to pieces by devils (sorry...baatezu).


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