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1 jaunte  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 6:49:06pm
2 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:15:55pm

Looks like everyone has given up and gone home...

Mitt has gone almost a week without a serious "I'm the most specialest bestest person there is" gaffe, the new one should be along any time now. Or have his advisors taped his mouth somehow (post-hypnotic suggestion)?

3 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:21:48pm

That Pew Poll has ridiculous internals.

4 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:27:35pm

The MSM (including MSNBC) is so full of shit. Today's polls look like a sea of blue.

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

5 jaunte  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:33:54pm

Texans willing to pay higher taxes for teacher pay, water

"...Seventy-four percent of registered voters would be willing to pay more in taxes to raise teacher pay, according to a new poll by the non-partisan, non-profit Texas Lyceum leadership group.

They decidedly wouldn’t be willing to pay more for school administration (only 20 percent would fork over more for this).

The poll comes after lawmakers and Gov. Rick Perry cut back hard on public school funding in response to last year’s budget crunch, and as some are pressing to restore money to schools.

Also on state revenue, 64 percent said they would be willing to pay more in water tap fees to ensure state water needs are met."

6 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:34:39pm

re: #3 moderatelyradicalliberal

That Pew Poll has ridiculous internals.

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But it's enough to have liberal pundits dissolving into screaming fits. Sully's all but ready to throw in the towel:

Did Obama Just Throw The Entire Election Away?

7 erik_t  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:37:17pm

re: #3 moderatelyradicalliberal

That Pew Poll has ridiculous internals.

Honestly, I don't even feel the need to dig too deep into a single poll. It's a single poll. When we see more than one out of dozens with this sort of result, I'll give it more than thirty seconds of attention. Same deal with a poll that IIRC put Obama up something like seven points last week. Outliers happen.

8 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:40:36pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

But it's enough to have liberal pundits dissolving into screaming fits. Sully's all but ready to throw in the towel:

Did Obama Just Throw The Entire Election Away?

Sully is not a liberal and he does this regularly. He admits he's a drama queen. Now Rachael Maddow on the other hand has no excuse. She does have Hysterical Democrat Syndrome or HDS.

9 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:40:58pm

re: #7 erik_t

Honestly, I don't even feel the need to dig too deep into a single poll. It's a single poll. When we see more than one out of dozens with this sort of result, I'll give it more than thirty seconds of attention. Same deal with a poll that IIRC put Obama up something like seven points last week. Outliers happen.

Problem is that the media and RCP are treating the outliers like the main event, while the more consistent polls are being either downplayed or outright rejected. Catch the beginning of NBC Nightly News tonight and they were practically drooling over the Pew Poll, then brought up the Gallup poll showing Obama's lead back to 5 points as if it was the outlier.

10 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:41:38pm

re: #7 erik_t

Honestly, I don't even feel the need to dig too deep into a single poll. It's a single poll. When we see more than one out of dozens with this sort of result, I'll give it more than thirty seconds of attention. Same deal with a poll that IIRC put Obama up something like seven points last week. Outliers happen.

I'm nor worried a about one poll. I'm worried about the MSM using one poll to create a narrative. That's what they are doing and that is what is damaging.

11 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:41:54pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

But it's enough to have liberal pundits dissolving into screaming fits. Sully's all but ready to throw in the towel:

Did Obama Just Throw The Entire Election Away?

Test

12 jaunte  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:42:00pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

But it's enough to have liberal pundits dissolving into screaming fits. Sully's all but ready to throw in the towel:

Did Obama Just Throw The Entire Election Away?

Do Dramatic Headlines Drive Blog Readership?

13 Redmalamute  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:42:24pm

re: #4 moderatelyradicalliberal

Still blue, but closer. Michigan now looks like it could be in play. I have been giving Obama money for other states and may now need to knock on doors in my home state. Who would have thought that the after "let Detroit die", mitt would be close in Michigan.

14 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:42:38pm

re: #11 Gus

Test

Charles. Tweet conversions in comments isn't working.

15 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:42:51pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

Problem is that the media and RCP are treating the outliers like the main event, while the more consistent polls are being either downplayed or outright rejected. Catch the beginning of NBC Nightly News tonight and they were practically drooling over the Pew Poll, then brought up the Gallup poll showing Obama's lead back to 5 points as if it was the outlier.

Exactly. They wanted a certain narrative and low and behold here come some truly skewed polls to give it to them. It's disgusting.

16 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:42:57pm
17 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:43:26pm

That worked as an embed paste.

18 erik_t  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:44:46pm

re: #13 Redmalamute

Still blue, but closer. Michigan now looks like it could be in play.

Not sure if serious. Mitt's lead Michigan in precisely four polls this calendar year. The average is something like O+7.

19 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:45:15pm

re: #15 moderatelyradicalliberal

Exactly. They wanted a certain narrative and low and behold here come some truly skewed polls to give it to them. It's disgusting.

It's business to them. They want a close race, playing up Romney as having some second wind that's got staying power is what will keep it close.

20 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:46:06pm

re: #13 Redmalamute

Still blue, but closer. Michigan now looks like it could be in play. I have been giving Obama money for other states and may now need to knock on doors in my home state. Who would have thought that the after "let Detroit die", mitt would be close in Michigan.

Is R-Money putting money back into Michigan because I thought he pulled out. Also one poll has Obama only up by 2 in Pennsylvania. Seems unlikely to me.

21 Mich-again  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:46:27pm

re: #16 Gus

Ehrmagherd!! Merts Wernerg!!

22 erik_t  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:46:37pm

re: #9 Targetpractice

No argument there. Media is shitty and cherry-picks results to preserve the horse race; film at 11.

But, seriously, there's film. They actually pointed a TV camera at the PDF of the poll.

23 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:46:43pm

The MSM is one endless round of screaming about an issue as if it is Armageddon, only to drop the issue entirely in three days and start screaming about a new issue.

24 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:48:47pm
25 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:49:44pm

Oh dear. When even Mark Halperin isn't buying it.

26 jaunte  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:49:48pm

Tune in at 10 to see if the latest numbers have changed in this critically important horserace!!! After 16 car dealers yell at you, we'll tell you it could still go either way!!!

27 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:50:44pm

Ryan would have been better off just letting the cameras roll and just responding to the reporter however he pleased. Instead one of his handlers just calls it off. Weak.

28 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:52:36pm

But really, let's be honest, part of what dropped Obama's numbers was overblown expectations. A lot of us, and I'll admit myself included, went into the debate expecting Obama to blow Willard out of the water and pretty much end the election then and there. What we didn't expect was that Willard would choose that night to reinvent himself as a "moderate conservative" or that he'd lie his ass off to do so. Obama certainly didn't seem to believe what he was hearing, because he looked like he was in danger of crushing his molars with how hard he was clenching his jaw.

And because we went in with those overblown expectations, we now blame Obama for not being prepared for Willard's chameleon act. I've read the same excuse on several boards: "Obama gave up." No he didn't, you gave up on him. You wanted him to be the messiah, he wasn't, and now you're blaming him for not living up to your expectations.

29 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:52:39pm
30 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:52:58pm

re: #25 moderatelyradicalliberal

Oh dear. When even Mark Halperin isn't buying it.

31 jaunte  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:54:26pm

re: #24 Gus

Paul Ryan Gets Testy And Ends Interview

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Deep.

"wonky"

32 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:55:07pm

Paul Ryan Gets Testy And Ends Interview

thus night he won't be able to escape

33 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:55:53pm

re: #28 Targetpractice

But really, let's be honest, part of what dropped Obama's numbers was overblown expectations. A lot of us, and I'll admit myself included, went into the debate expecting Obama to blow Willard out of the water and pretty much end the election then and there. What we didn't expect was that Willard would choose that night to reinvent himself as a "moderate conservative" or that he'd lie his ass off to do so. Obama certainly didn't seem to believe what he was hearing, because he looked like he was in danger of crushing his molars with how hard he was clenching his jaw.

And because we went in with those overblown expectations, we now blame Obama for not being prepared for Willard's chameleon act. I've read the same excuse on several boards: "Obama gave up." No he didn't, you gave up on him. You wanted him to be the messiah, he wasn't, and now you're blaming him for not living up to your expectations.

The worst thing about being a Democratic President is Democrats.

34 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:56:01pm

re: #32 engineer cat

Paul Ryan Gets Testy And Ends Interview

thus night he won't be able to escape

That's assuming the debate moderator has more of a spine than Lehrer did. Otherwise, he's gonna dictate that debate and back Biden into a corner.

35 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:57:18pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

That's assuming the debate moderator has more of a spine than Lehrer did. Otherwise, he's gonna dictate that debate and back Biden into a corner.

Er...what would keep Biden from dictating the debate?

36 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:57:34pm

I hear Willard is giving a speech to CPAC on Thursday. I wonder is he'll still be doing his Etch a Sketch.

37 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:59:40pm

re: #35 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Er...what would keep Biden from dictating the debate?

Actually being there to have a debate, rather than giving a stump speech.

38 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:59:42pm

Somebody does some journalism.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

39 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:00:21pm
40 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:01:53pm
41 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:02:20pm

re: #38 moderatelyradicalliberal

Somebody does some journalism.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

HA! How sweet it is.

42 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:02:28pm

re: #39 engineer cat

what the hip young indian engineers like to watch

a slick korean rap hit video

???

How about suburban teenagers?

The Princess, who is one of the colorguard captains this year, talked the other captains, as well as the captains of the team next to them, into doing the Gangam style dance after the retreat was over.* I have video proof.

*retreat means "part where they announce scores and give out trophies"

43 erik_t  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:04:07pm

re: #38 moderatelyradicalliberal

Somebody does some journalism.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

I honestly don't understand what kind of moron can be changed in their worldview by a ninety minute cavalcade of sound bites.

44 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:04:46pm

Ugh, only bad thing about midnight releases is the need to be awake to take advantage of them.

45 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:06:01pm

re: #43 erik_t

I honestly don't understand what kind of moron can be changed in their worldview by a ninety minute cavalcade of sound bites.

"Bandwagon jumpers," as my old man would call them. Those folks who saw the poll numbers in Obama's favor and were swayed to support him, but now are changing their minds because all the "cool kids" say Romney won the debate.

46 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:06:36pm

re: #44 Targetpractice

midnight releases

there's medication for that now

47 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:06:51pm

re: #45 Targetpractice

"Bandwagon jumpers," as my old man would call them. Those folks who saw the poll numbers in Obama's favor and were swayed to support him, but now are changing their minds because all the "cool kids" say Romney won the debate.

Someone bought the pet rocks and the Nehru jackets.

48 Mocking Jay  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:10:36pm

That Daily Show segment... was epic...

49 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:11:29pm

“Remember that the Jews in Nazi Germany, what started it against them was when they were called names, that was the first stage towards that totalitarian state."

Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey on the plight of anti-gay bigots being called bigots.

50 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:12:20pm

re: #12 jaunte

Do Dramatic Headlines Drive Blog Readership?

Yes.

51 erik_t  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:12:32pm

re: #49 Gus

Nice to see that 'Murrica has no monopoly on the foul bigot.

52 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:12:42pm

That was a zinger.

53 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:13:26pm

Like I was saying earlier, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of those now openly identifying themselves as Romney supporters were those "independents" who, as recently as last Tuesday, were either planning to vote third party or on the fence about doing so. I know the Freepers were certainly creaming their pants over Willard's performance, despite the site's policy that it wouldn't be supporting him.

54 jaunte  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:14:15pm

re: #43 erik_t

I honestly don't understand what kind of moron can be changed in their worldview by a ninety minute cavalcade of sound bites.

"...These polls show more people* are now identifying as Republicans in the wake of Romney’s debate performance. Just as they showed a clear Democratic tilt earlier in the fall, and in the immediate aftermath of Romney’s “47 percent” comments. Shifts happen in the electorate."

*flakes

55 jaunte  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:15:37pm

Romney Proudly Explains How He's Turned Campaign Around

'I'm Lying More,' He Says

“I’m lying a lot more, and my lies are far more egregious than they’ve ever been,” a smiling Romney told reporters while sitting in the back of his campaign bus, adding that when faced with a choice to either lie or tell the truth, he will more than likely lie. “It’s a strategy that works because when I lie, I’m essentially telling people what they want to hear, and people really like hearing things they want to hear. Even if they sort of know that nothing I’m saying is true.”

“It’s a freeing strategy, really, because I don’t have to worry about facts or being accurate or having any concrete positions of any kind,” Romney added.

56 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:16:06pm

re: #52 Gus

That was a zinger.

Are you sure it wasn't a ho ho?

57 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:16:24pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

HA! How sweet it is.

Seriously that Pew poll was 70% over 50, 83.4% white and nearly 40% Southern. Talk about a skewed poll.

GOPers whined about polls be skewed with nothing to back it up. Now it's happening and the MSM is totally silent because they will have their R-Money "comeback" narrative no matter what.

58 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:17:20pm

re: #48 Mocking Jay

That Daily Show segment... was epic...

What happened?

59 erik_t  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:18:03pm

re: #57 moderatelyradicalliberal

Seriously that Pew poll was 70% over 50, 83.4% white and nearly 40% Southern. Talk about a skewed poll.

GOPers whined about polls be skewed with nothing to back it up. Now it's happening and the MSM is totally silent because they will have their R-Money "comeback" narrative no matter what.

While weighting for political identification is fallacious on its face, weighting for repeatable demographic information is well known and universally practiced. Pew is neither profoundly incompetent nor exceptionally dishonest. They produced an outlier. It happens.

60 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:18:43pm

re: #57 moderatelyradicalliberal

Seriously that Pew poll was 70% over 50, 83.4% white and nearly 40% Southern. Talk about a skewed poll.

GOPers whined about polls be skewed with nothing to back it up. Now it's happening and the MSM is totally silent because they will have their R-Money "comeback" narrative no matter what.

Of course, you can only keep that going for so long. CNN's BS poll got called out within 48 hours of it being released to breathless response and it's numbers were in line with Pew's.

61 jamesfirecat  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:19:31pm

re: #49 Gus

“Remember that the Jews in Nazi Germany, what started it against them was when they were called names, that was the first stage towards that totalitarian state."

Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey on the plight of anti-gay bigots being called bigots.

Considering the gays were rounded up right alongside the jews by the nazis that is pretty damn tactless of him isn't it?

62 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:20:00pm

Could Andrew Sullivan please go back to the right-wing? From his love of the Iraq War, to his Trig-Trutherism, now to his hyper-ventilating over one debate and one poll......the man is just embarrassing.

63 erik_t  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:20:08pm

re: #61 jamesfirecat

Considering the gays were rounded up right alongside the jews by the nazis that is pretty damn tactless of him isn't it?

Yes, but only one of those two groups is people /

64 jaunte  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:20:47pm

re: #62 JamesWI

65 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:21:15pm

re: #63 erik_t

Yes, but only one of those two groups is people /

And even that is a relatively new development.

66 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:21:17pm

re: #61 jamesfirecat

Considering the gays were rounded up right alongside the jews by the nazis that is pretty damn tactless of him isn't it?

Since Nazis started calling Jews bad names and being called a bigot is like being called a bad name anyone that uses bad names are just like the Nazis.

See. Simple.

67 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:21:20pm

re: #62 JamesWI

Could Andrew Sullivan please go back to the right-wing? From his love of the Iraq War, to his Trig-Trutherism, now to his hyper-ventilating over one debate and one poll......the man is just embarrassing.

That's what always got me about Sully, he was one of Dubya's biggest supporters until he found out he wasn't overly sympathetic to the LGBT crowd.

68 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:21:51pm

How dare they call our racist organization racist. That's racist!

69 jaunte  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:22:21pm

re: #49 Gus

“Remember that the Jews in Nazi Germany, what started it against them was when they were called names, that was the first stage towards that totalitarian state."

Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey on the plight of anti-gay bigots being called bigots.

Ok, how about putz?

70 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:22:49pm

re: #64 jaunte

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What's funny or not so funny is if Obama had had the August and the September that R-Money had, not even a good debate performance could have rescued his campaign.

71 Mocking Jay  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:23:39pm

re: #58 moderatelyradicalliberal

What happened?

First he curb-stomped Lou Dobbs. Then he, Wyatt, and Oliver took muppet form.

72 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:24:14pm

re: #70 moderatelyradicalliberal

What's funny or not so funny is if Obama had had the August and the September that R-Money had, not even a good debate performance could have rescued his campaign.

I'm sure the media would still be trying just as hard to make it a "horserace," as they are doing now.

Of course, Obama wouldn't just stand in front of America and lie about everything he believes in, so it would probably be a bit harder to come back.

73 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:24:43pm

re: #69 jaunte

Ok, how about putz?

Is he celibate too?

74 Mich-again  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:24:47pm

re: #68 Gus

How dare they call our racist organization racist. That's racist!

I saw a right wing meme poster on FB with the most interesting man in the world as a Romney supporter. ha. I'm not sure if they know that guy is a Mexican!

75 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:24:54pm

re: #71 Mocking Jay

First he curb-stomped Lou Dobbs. Then he, Wyatt, and Oliver took muppet form.

Willard avoided the Nickelodeon Kids forum. Hostile crowd. Too many Big Bird fans.

76 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:25:38pm

re: #64 jaunte

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An actual dramatization of liberal pundits response to Obama's performance:

77 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:25:47pm

re: #74 Mich-again

I saw a right wing meme poster on FB with the most interesting man in the world as a Romney supporter. ha. I'm not sure if they know that guy is a Mexican!

The also don't know that he already endorsed and held a fundraiser for Obama.

78 erik_t  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:26:02pm

re: #74 Mich-again

I saw a right wing meme poster on FB with the most interesting man in the world as a Romney supporter. ha. I'm not sure if they know that guy is a Mexican!

Romney would have an easier time of that meme if he were Latino.

79 Mich-again  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:26:04pm

re: #75 moderatelyradicalliberal

Willard avoided the Nickelodeon Kids forum. Hostile crowd. Too many Big Bird fans.

Can we talk about JOBS! Aw Geeze don't start crying now..

80 palomino  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:26:59pm

re: #57 moderatelyradicalliberal

Seriously that Pew poll was 70% over 50, 83.4% white and nearly 40% Southern. Talk about a skewed poll.

GOPers whined about polls be skewed with nothing to back it up. Now it's happening and the MSM is totally silent because they will have their R-Money "comeback" narrative no matter what.

Have Pew's other polls been this lopsided in their sample? If not, then you're right...not only is the poll methodology deeply flawed but its results not very helpful.

81 jaunte  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:28:12pm
82 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:29:02pm

re: #79 Mich-again

Can we talk about JOBS! Aw Geeze don't start crying now..

83 Amory Blaine  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:29:11pm

re: #28 Targetpractice

It's Obama's job to get undecideds on board, not cater to my desire to see Romney get a comeuppance. There's 2 debates left, my guess is Romney has set his "tone" for the next debates. Be interesting to see how the next one goes.

84 Lidane  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:29:33pm

re: #74 Mich-again

I saw a right wing meme poster on FB with the most interesting man in the world as a Romney supporter. ha. I'm not sure if they know that guy is a Mexican!

They also don't seem to know that the actor in those commercials already endorsed Obama and has done fundraisers for him too, I think.

85 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:29:42pm

re: #80 palomino

Have Pew's other polls been this lopsided in their sample? If not, then you're right...not only is the poll methodology deeply flawed but its results not very helpful.

I don't know. But any poll with 70% of voters over 50 and 84% white should be thrown out automatically. It may be difficult to predict what the electorate will be on election day, but it won't look like that.

86 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:29:50pm
87 efuseakay  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:30:12pm
88 Mocking Jay  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:30:44pm

re: #86 Gus

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Punny headlines pose the greatest threat to our civilization.

89 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:30:46pm

re: #80 palomino

Have Pew's other polls been this lopsided in their sample? If not, then you're right...not only is the poll methodology deeply flawed but its results not very helpful.

If I had to guess, I'd say Pew has always sucked in their polling. I mean, let's get serious....Obama was probably NEVER close to +10 in this race, but Pew's had a number of polls around that level.

That's just not how this country works anymore. Romney would have to come out and say his favorite book is Mein Kampf to lose by that much, and even then, he still might be closer than 10.

Also, Pew is one of those polls that I've generally seen get mocked by people on both sides.

90 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:31:20pm

Here's the Honey Boo Boo discombobulation I mentioned earlier.

91 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:31:23pm

re: #83 Amory Blaine

It's Obama's job to get undecideds on board, not cater to my desire to see Romney get a comeuppance. There's 2 debates left, my guess is Romney has set his "tone" for the next debates. Be interesting to see how the next one goes.

My theory is that anybody still "undecided" isn't voting at all.

92 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:31:41pm

re: #86 Gus

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Pickens lied, eagles died.

93 Mocking Jay  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:33:02pm

I'm guessing when they unskew this Pew poll we'll find that Romney is really up by 14.

94 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:33:32pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Pickens lied, eagles died.

I know. What we need is a 3 million dollars an hour CVN fleet sitting idle in the Persian Gulf 24/7.

95 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:33:34pm

re: #89 JamesWI

If I had to guess, I'd say Pew has also sucked in their polling. I mean, let's get serious....Obama was probably NEVER close to +10 in this race, but Pew's had a number of polls around that level.

That's just not how this country works anymore. Romney would have to come out and say his favorite book is Mein Kampf to lose by that much, and even then, he still might be closer than 10.

Also, Pew is one of those polls that I've generally seen get mocked by people on both sides.

Yeah I remember a Pew poll with Obama ahead by 10. I knew it was absolute nonsense and the MSM reported is as an outlier. But they aren't doing it now even thought the cross tabs are equally ridiculous.

96 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:35:25pm

re: #83 Amory Blaine

It's Obama's job to get undecideds on board, not cater to my desire to see Romney get a comeuppance. There's 2 debates left, my guess is Romney has set his "tone" for the next debates. Be interesting to see how the next one goes.

Thing is, the pool of undecideds this time around is at a historically low number. Obama's biggest pressure is keeping supporter enthusiasm up and keeping them from defecting. And, as usual, Democrats are their own worst enemies.

97 Amory Blaine  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:36:41pm

re: #90 Gus

Here's the Honey Boo Boo discombobulation I mentioned earlier.

I just subjected myself to the show for the first time.

/facedesk

98 Lidane  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:36:48pm

re: #96 Targetpractice

And, as usual, Democrats are their own worst enemies.

The Dems have mastered the art of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

99 Interesting Times  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:36:58pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Pickens lied, eagles died.

What fox-news-style dumbfuckery is this? 100s of millions more birds are killed by flying into windows than wind turbines, so that comment is fucking stupid at all possible levels.

And nice to know you consider the jobs of people in the wind energy sector worthless and expendable.

Durr hurr, only libruls like clean energy so fuck anyone employed by it! Coal and oil forever! Derp.

100 jaunte  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:37:20pm

re: #99 Interesting Times

Image: photobyShoq.jpg

101 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:38:35pm

re: #94 Gus

I know. What we need is a 3 million dollars an hour CVN fleet sitting idle in the Persian Gulf 24/7.

Take it up with the mullahs of Iran, they're the ones causing the problem.

102 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:39:22pm
103 palomino  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:39:27pm

re: #85 moderatelyradicalliberal

I don't know. But any poll with 70% of voters over 50 and 84% white should be thrown out automatically. It may be difficult to predict what the electorate will be on election day, but it won't look like that.

Agreed completely--we haven't had an 84% white electorate since the late 80s-early 90s. And, while the country is aging, it's not aging anywhere near that fast.

Does anyone have the link with the full breakdown of the Pew poll internals?

104 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:39:28pm

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

Take it up with the mullahs of Iran, they're the ones causing the problem.

I'm sure they'll be showing up in their Bat mobiles any second now.

[Miami Vice theme music.]

105 jaunte  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:40:06pm

[Link: www.intrade.com...]

106 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:42:38pm

re: #98 Lidane

The Dems have mastered the art of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

No shit...

I'm tired of the left-leaning pundits catching the vapors over the perception that President Obama blew the first debate (seriously, people...how in the fuck could he address that avalanche of bullshit Mitt spewed without looking like he was on the defensive?). I swear the poo-pooers are actually wanting a self-fulfilling prophecy, just so they can say that they were right.

Those of us grounded in reality not only have to counter Mitt's pile of Jello, but also those who got down on President Obama purely on the perceived loss at the first debate, so they don't spread their gloom-and-doom to others.

Repeat after me, spineless wimps who say President Obama lost: he didn't lose shit when looking at cold, hard facts, Mitt only "won" on shallowness, vanity, and mendacity.

107 Kragar  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:42:51pm

re: #97 Amory Blaine

I just subjected myself to the show for the first time.

/facedesk

I'd sooner drive white hot rail road spikes into my eyes.

109 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:44:12pm

re: #107 Kragar

I'd sooner drive white hot rail road spikes into my eyes.

Why wait?

//

110 palomino  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:44:26pm

re: #105 jaunte

[Embedded content]

[Link: www.intrade.com...]

Sullivan is an extreme neurotic, prone to freaking out.

Having said that, he deserves credit for realizing about 8 years ago that his party was no longer conservative in the traditional sense: they had become reactionary, theocratic, and extremely right wing. He was also one of the first quasi-neocons to admit that the whole philosophy and project in Iraq/Afghanistan was deeply flawed.

111 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:44:34pm

re: #103 palomino

Agreed completely--we haven't had an 84% white electorate since the late 80s-early 90s. And, while the country is aging, it's not aging anywhere near that fast.

Does anyone have the link with the full breakdown of the Pew poll internals?

Look at the top of the thread. Third post.

112 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:44:46pm

re: #104 Gus

I'm sure they'll be showing up in their Bat mobiles any second now.

[Miami Vice theme music.]

113 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:45:19pm

re: #110 palomino

Sullivan is an extreme neurotic, prone to freaking out.

Having said that, he deserves credit for realizing about 8 years ago that his party was no longer conservative in the traditional sense: they had become reactionary, theocratic, and extremely right wing. He was also one of the first quasi-neocons to admit that the whole philosophy and project in Iraq/Afghanistan was deeply flawed.

I think Sullivan gets some really good bud.

114 palomino  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:45:27pm

re: #111 moderatelyradicalliberal

Look at the top of the thread. Third post.

Grazie.

115 Mocking Jay  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:45:30pm

I think Sully's soiled at least four pairs of pants since last Wednesday.

116 Mocking Jay  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:46:22pm

Colbert is geeking out on us right now.

117 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:46:30pm

re: #38 moderatelyradicalliberal

Somebody does some journalism.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Makes sense.
I've noticed a few more Romney signs post debate.
Not many though.

118 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:46:42pm

re: #110 palomino

Sullivan is an extreme neurotic, prone to freaking out.

Having said that, he deserves credit for realizing about 8 years ago that his party was no longer conservative in the traditional sense: they had become reactionary, theocratic, and extremely right wing. He was also one of the first quasi-neocons to admit that the whole philosophy and project in Iraq/Afghanistan was deeply flawed.

I like Andrew most of the time, but lets be real he wouldn't have made the realization if he weren't gay.

119 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:47:25pm

re: #106 MittDoesNotCompute

No shit...

I'm tired of the pundits catching the vapors over the perception that President Obama blew the first debate (seriously, people...how in the fuck could he address that avalanche of bullshit Mitt spewed without looking like he was on the defensive?). I swear the poo-pooers are actually wanting a self-fulfilling prophecy, just so they can say that they were right.

Those of us grounded in reality not only have to counter Mitt's pile of Jello, but also those who got down on President Obama purely on the perceived loss at the first debate, so they don't spread their gloom-and-doom to others.

Yeah, it's a bit hard to convince the fence-sitters and the younger crowd that Obama's still a better choice that Romney when the liberal pundits are losing their fucking minds and screaming epitaphs at Obama for not reaching over and smacking Romney around in the first debate.

120 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:47:30pm

re: #116 Mocking Jay

Colbert is geeking out on us right now.

O RLY?

121 Kragar  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:47:50pm

3.25 hours till XCOM.

122 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:48:21pm

re: #116 Mocking Jay

Colbert is geeking out on us right now.

How can you tell? I thought he was always doing that? ;)

123 Mocking Jay  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:48:41pm

re: #120 MittDoesNotCompute

O RLY?

He was doing the story about the candidate in Maine who's being criticized for playing WoW.

124 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:48:53pm

re: #121 Kragar

3.25 hours till XCOM.

Not for us East Coasters, it ain't.

125 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:49:03pm

re: #117 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Makes sense.
I've noticed a few more Romney signs post debate.
Not many though.

Aw come on Gus. I found you the extended version of the song you asked for. Surely, that's worth a smile.

126 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:49:15pm

re: #106 MittDoesNotCompute

No shit...

I'm tired of the left=leaning pundits catching the vapors over the perception that President Obama blew the first debate (seriously, people...how in the fuck could he address that avalanche of bullshit Mitt spewed without looking like he was on the defensive?). I swear the poo-pooers are actually wanting a self-fulfilling prophecy, just so they can say that they were right.

Those of us grounded in reality not only have to counter Mitt's pile of Jello, but also those who got down on President Obama purely on the perceived loss at the first debate, so they don't spread their gloom-and-doom to others.

One of the things that was nice about the last few months was that the emoprogs had not had an excuse to freak out. I suppose it was too much to hope that we could get to the end of the election without them reverting to type.

127 Kragar  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:49:21pm

re: #124 Targetpractice

Not for us East Coasters, it ain't.

YOU DIE NOW!

128 jaunte  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:49:30pm

re: #123 Mocking Jay

He was doing the story about the candidate in Maine who's being criticized for playing WoW.

Satanism!

129 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:49:33pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

Aw come on Gus. I found you the extended version of the song you asked for. Surely, that's worth a smile.

Wha?

130 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:49:39pm

re: #123 Mocking Jay

He was doing the story about the candidate in Maine who's being criticized for playing WoW.

I caught the tail end of it.

131 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:50:08pm

re: #127 Kragar

YOU DIE NOW!

Mine is an evil laugh!

132 erik_t  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:50:49pm

re: #121 Kragar

3.25 hours till XCOM.

CAN'T SLEEP
CHRYSALIDS WILL EAT ME

133 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:51:03pm

re: #126 moderatelyradicalliberal

One of the things that was nice about the last few months was that the emoprogs had not had an excuse to freak out. I suppose it was too much to hope that we could get to the end of the election without them reverting to type.

Yeah, nothing quite like a chorus of "OMG, OBAMA'S TOAST!" to make you remember that your party's stock in trade is wetting its pants at the first sign of criticism.

134 Kragar  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:51:09pm

re: #131 Targetpractice

Mine is an evil laugh!

135 gwangung  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:51:59pm

re: #106 MittDoesNotCompute

No shit...

I'm tired of the left=leaning pundits catching the vapors over the perception that President Obama blew the first debate (seriously, people...how in the fuck could he address that avalanche of bullshit Mitt spewed without looking like he was on the defensive?). I swear the poo-pooers are actually wanting a self-fulfilling prophecy, just so they can say that they were right.

Those of us grounded in reality not only have to counter Mitt's pile of Jello, but also those who got down on President Obama purely on the perceived loss at the first debate, so they don't spread their gloom-and-doom to others.

Repeat after me, spineless wimps who say President Obama lost: he didn't lose shit when looking at cold, hard facts, Mitt only "won" on shallowness, vanity, and mendacity.

You know, I don't have a problem with folks saying Obama had a setback with the first debate. But, seriously, folks...it was NOT a fatal, doom-the-election error. There'd have to be several of those, and we just haven't seen them yet.

136 Mocking Jay  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:52:20pm

I don't give a crap about XCOM and I'm not afraid to say it.

137 erik_t  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:52:38pm

re: #136 Mocking Jay

I don't give a crap about XCOM and I'm not afraid to say it.

Your zombie will be the first to hatch when the revolution comes.

138 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:52:42pm

re: #133 Targetpractice

Yeah, nothing quite like a chorus of "OMG, OBAMA'S TOAST!" to make you remember that your party's stock in trade is wetting its pants at the first sign of criticism.

I remember the constant fretting about PUMAs, women voting for Sarah Palin and the Bradley Effect during 2008. They were all memes invented by the MSM as well.

139 alpuz  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:53:09pm

re: #92 Dark_Falcon

Goddam that's dumb. Rolling?

140 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:53:51pm

re: #135 gwangung

You know, I don't have a problem with folks saying Obama had a setback with the first debate. But, seriously, folks...it was NOT a fatal, doom-the-election error. There'd have to be several of those, and we just haven't seen them yet.

Indeed, one debate is not gonna undo months of bad polling for Romney.

141 Kragar  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:54:21pm

re: #136 Mocking Jay

I don't give a crap about XCOM and I'm not afraid to say it.

You're a bad person.
/

142 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:54:31pm

re: #125 Dark_Falcon

Aw come on Gus. I found you the extended version of the song you asked for. Surely, that's worth a smile.

Huh?

143 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:54:41pm

Colbert's talking to Mark Kelly now....freaking awesome.

144 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:55:27pm

re: #140 Targetpractice

Indeed, one debate is not gonna undo months of bad polling for Romney.

And lets not kid ourselves about Republicans coming home to R-Money. There is a Kenyan Muslim Socialist in the White House. Not only were they coming home, they never left.

145 Mocking Jay  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:56:15pm

re: #141 Kragar

You're a bad person.
/

And your point is...?

146 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:56:19pm

re: #138 moderatelyradicalliberal

I remember the constant fretting about PUMAs, women voting for Sarah Palin and the Bradley Effect during 2008. They were all memes invented by the MSM as well.

And all of them with the same theme: "Obama's support just isn't there, when Election Day comes, those saying they'll vote for him either won't show or will vote for the white guy."

147 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:56:59pm

re: #140 Targetpractice

Indeed, one debate is not gonna undo months of bad polling for Romney.

When my mother, someone who I never discuss politics with, mentions to me as I'm taking her to work one day here lately that she thinks Romney is full of shit, I think that says a lot.

148 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:57:58pm

re: #147 MittDoesNotCompute

When my mother, someone who I never discuss politics with, mentions to me as I'm taking her to work one day here lately that she thinks Romney is full of shit, I think that says a lot.

Yeah, I think what we saw last week was the bandwagon effect. Folks got told that Romney had a good performance, presented himself as a "centrist," and thought "Well, maybe he's not that bad."

149 Mocking Jay  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:58:06pm

re: #140 Targetpractice

Indeed, one debate is not gonna undo months of bad polling for Romney.

I would lose a lot of faith in the people of this country if that was enough to change the outcome of this election.

150 Amory Blaine  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:58:09pm

There is a subtle criticism of Romney in all the praise he's getting for winning the debate. The main issue seems to be that Obama didn't push back on Romney, not that Romney was inspirational. All the praise has been focused on style, not that Romney switched some of his main positions or even explained how his ideas would work. I found myself confused as he was saying he never advocated for 5 trillion dollar tax cuts.

151 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:58:13pm

re: #147 MittDoesNotCompute

When my mother, someone who I never discuss politics with, mentions to me as I'm taking her to work one day here lately that she thinks Romney is full of shit, I think that says a lot.

Is you mother an over 50 white person? Unpossible! R-Money is going to win white women by 19 points!

//

152 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:58:24pm

re: #129 Gus

Wha?

You put down 'Miami Vice theme music', so I found you the song. This next song is very apt for the Persian Gulf, given how Afghan heroin has infiltrated both Iran and the Gulf oil states. It premiered on the Miami Vice episode of the same name, here's Glen Fry with "Smuggler's Blues":

153 jaunte  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 8:58:33pm

Texas has notified (living) voters that they are "potentially deceased."

Last year, the Texas Legislature passed a bill to ensure dead people were kept off its voter rolls. States have long been required to maintain clean voter rolls, so such updating isn't new.

But Texas went further, giving the secretary of state authority to conduct voter roll purges using relatively loose criteria like shared names and birthdate.

The result is that live voters have received notice that if they don't respond within 30 days, they're assumed dead and will be removed from the voter rolls.

The state's largest voting district, Harris County, has sent such letters to about 4,000 "potentially deceased" voters.

"Several hundred responded that said, 'Yeah, I'm still alive,'" said Fred King, communications manager for the Harris County Voter Registrar and Tax Office.

Election experts say that's not surprising. "The problem is that there is a much higher incidence of sharing names and birth dates than people realize," said David Becker, director of election initiatives at the Pew Center on the States.

Just one example: there are are 21,078 people in Texas named Alvarado.

154 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:00:03pm

re: #119 Targetpractice

Yeah, it's a bit hard to convince the fence-sitters and the younger crowd that Obama's still a better choice that Romney when the liberal pundits are losing their fucking minds and screaming epitaphs at Obama for not reaching over and smacking Romney around in the first debate.

I was going to go all pedant on your ass over "screaming epitaphs", but on second thought "epitaphs" may be appropriate, since they seem to think his campaign is dead.

155 Mocking Jay  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:00:22pm

re: #153 jaunte

"Greetings, citizen! You could be dead!"

156 Amory Blaine  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:00:33pm

re: #153 jaunte

Aren't we all potentially deceased?

157 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:00:56pm

re: #156 Amory Blaine

Aren't we all potentially deceased?

LOL!

158 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:01:22pm

re: #153 jaunte

Texas has notified (living) voters that they are "potentially deceased."

Just one example: there are are 21,078 people in Texas named Alvarado.

I'll bet if those folks being told they're "potentially deceased" stopped paying their taxes, the state would be real quick to declare them "alive" again.

159 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:01:37pm

re: #155 Mocking Jay

"Greetings, citizen! You could be dead!"

Some of us are just mostly dead.

160 jaunte  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:02:02pm

re: #156 Amory Blaine

Aren't we all potentially deceased?

I'm dyin' here.

161 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:02:13pm

re: #156 Amory Blaine

Aren't we all potentially deceased?

some have a greater imminent dying potential than others. Such as you for example... [Dark Falcon draws a katana and starts toward Amory]

///

162 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:02:45pm

re: #159 moderatelyradicalliberal

Some of us are just mostly dead.

"What's the difference?"

163 jaunte  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:03:18pm

re: #155 Mocking Jay

"Greetings, citizen! You could be dead!"

"If you are indeed dead, do not bother replying."

164 Interesting Times  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:03:29pm

re: #159 moderatelyradicalliberal

Some of us are just mostly dead.

Preferable to being most sincerely dead...

165 Amory Blaine  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:03:48pm

Lucky for me I'm wearing my +10 Boots of Fleeing!

166 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:04:26pm
167 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:05:06pm

Figure if the Commonwealth of Virginia ever decided to send me a letter saying that I was "potentially dead" and that I needed to jump through their hoops to be prove I'm alive, I'd send a reply saying that since dead people don't pay taxes, I'll happily accept their judgment as to my demise for the purposes of avoiding future tax liabilities.

168 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:06:05pm

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

"What's the difference?"

Being mostly dead means you are still able to blave.

169 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:06:31pm

Going into the first debate, as long as Romney didn't shit himself on stage, he would have probably been considered the winner, because everyone assumed Obama would destroy the robot.

At this point, Obama has essentially completely flipped the script. Romney's now the DEBATE KING and he's clearly getting cocky on the campaign trail. As long as Obama isn't as "bad" as he was last Wednesday, it's going to be seen as a loss for Romney.

And considering Romney bet his entire campaign on the premise that the debates would be all he needed to win, just one loss in a debate could be devastating.

I don't want to sound like Al Gore or any other debate excuse-makers out there.....but are we absolutely sure this wasn't part of the plan.

Eh, probably not. Just a weak showing from Obama that has some fortuitous after-effects.

170 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:06:33pm

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

"What's the difference?"

Enjoying life is more important than winning the respiration marathon.

171 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:07:09pm

re: #165 Amory Blaine

Lucky for me I'm wearing my +10 Boots of Fleeing!

Not a match for my +12 Boots of Ass-Kickin'. The left boot is autographed by Bruce Willis and the right boot bears the signature of Samuel L. Jackson himself. Top that one motherfucker!

///

172 Amory Blaine  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:07:52pm

re: #169 JamesWI

Romney did not pull a G.G. Allin.

Bravo good sir!

173 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:08:11pm
174 erik_t  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:08:13pm

re: #169 JamesWI

Eh, probably not. Just a weak showing from Obama that has some fortuitous after-effects.

The A corollary of 'no plan survives contact with the enemy' is 'whoever best improvises a revised plan is likely to win'.

/EIMF'd

175 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:10:43pm

re: #174 erik_t

The corollary of 'no plan survives contact with the enemy' is 'whoever best improvises a revised plan is likely to win'.

There is also "A good plan executed with vigor is better than a perfect plan executed next week."

176 Kragar  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:10:45pm

re: #174 erik_t

The corollary of 'no plan survives contact with the enemy' is 'whoever best improvises a revised plan is likely to win'.

Victory goes to the one who fucks up second to last.

177 erik_t  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:11:17pm

re: #176 Kragar

Victory goes to the one who fucks up second to last.

But enough about that Jets game.

178 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:12:26pm

On the plus side of all this hand-wringing is that people are probably more motivated to actually get out and vote. When your candidate is up by 10 points it is no big deal if you can't make it to the polls because your "just too busy." I'd much rather people be worried than complacent.

179 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:13:32pm

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

There is also "A good plan executed with vigor is better than a perfect plan executed next week."

Not in the world of politics, buddy. After the next two (or three) debates, last Wednesday will be a distant memory. Either Obama will do well and reverse the "ROMNEY COMEBACK" narrative, or he'll suck and everyone will be talking about the most recent terrible debate.

In the end, the first debate is essentially meaningless.

180 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:13:39pm

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

There is also "A good plan executed with vigor is better than a perfect plan executed next week."

Dark. It's a global recession. Romney, even if he won, couldn't do anything about it.

181 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:14:08pm

re: #177 erik_t

But enough about that Jets game.

Well, they played Tebow but he couldn't get it done. Guess God wasn't on their side tonight.

182 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:14:27pm

re: #179 JamesWI

Not in the world of politics, buddy. After the next two (or three) debates, last Wednesday will be a distant memory. Either Obama will do well and reverse the "ROMNEY COMEBACK" narrative, or he'll suck and everyone will be talking about the most recent terrible debate.

In the end, the first debate is essentially meaningless.

Indeed, if the first debate decided the winner, we'd be talking about President McCain's reelection campaign.

183 palomino  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:15:00pm

I fear a crisis of legitimacy regardless of who wins the election. First, chances are it will be close, and the populace is even more polarized than during our last two close elections--2000 and 2004. The Right no longer trusts anything from the MSM, including most polls or anything else involving scientific data, so if Obama wins they'll be shocked and blame it all on voter fraud.

OTOH, if Romney wins, voter suppression may be a factor. And the left will see him as an illegitimate president. Growing and evolving and diversifying as a nation aren't always easy---lots of ugliness along the way. Especially given our intense cultural, ethnic, religious differences and resentments that, more and more, fuel the polarization. Just take religion: for most of our history, we had two basically secular parties. Now we have one overtly religious party and a party that's still secular. It's the kind of development we see in societies that are dysfunctional and extremely divided.

184 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:16:01pm

re: #180 Gus

Dark. It's a global recession. Romney, even if he won, couldn't do anything about it.

I posted that as a statement of strategic principals. Other people were posting such principals and I didn't want to be left out of one of my favorite issues.

185 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:16:12pm

Well, that's just fucking dandy. Hey Kragar, you might have to uninstall your XCOM preload and reinstall it. Word on the forums is that some of the files in the preload were corrupted.

186 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:16:14pm

So far, both of these accounts are in their infancy and haven't shown much. But they have potential, so I'll be watching them.

187 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:17:39pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

I posted that as a statement of strategic principals. Other people were posting such principals and I didn't want to be left out of one of my favorite issues.

Think Patton had a saying that better fit this situation: "Success is how high you bounce when you hit bottom." And if the polls today are any indication, Obama's still got plenty of bounce.

188 Kragar  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:20:44pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

Well, that's just fucking dandy. Hey Kragar, you might have to uninstall your XCOM preload and reinstall it. Word on the forums is that some of the files in the preload were corrupted.

PISSER!

189 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:21:38pm

re: #184 Dark_Falcon

I posted that as a statement of strategic principals. Other people were posting such principals and I didn't want to be left out of one of my favorite issues.

Mitt Romney has no principles.

190 Kragar  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:21:53pm

Actually, the forums are saying you can verify the game files and restart.

191 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:22:07pm

re: #190 Kragar

Actually, the forums are saying you can verify the game files and restart.

...FUCK!

192 Kragar  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:22:17pm

re: #186 JamesWI

So far, both of these accounts are in their infancy and haven't shown much. But they have potential, so I'll be watching them.

[Embedded content]

193 Kragar  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:22:49pm

re: #191 Targetpractice

...FUCK!

194 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:23:21pm

Lol...@sullydishpanics

[Link: twitter.com...]

195 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:24:10pm

re: #193 Kragar

[Embedded content]

196 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:24:42pm

re: #189 Gus

Mitt Romney has no principles.

Well, he has strategic and tactical principals. Without those he could not have made his money.

197 jaunte  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:24:56pm

Please, No Mind Loss

"...We should also resist the weak human tendency to recast our entire understanding of the reality we see through the prism of polling data. This doesn’t mean not believing what the polls tell us. I mean inferring everything back from them. So Mr. X is a genius and doing great. Until the polls change in which case Mr. X is a moron.

This isn’t clear or good thinking."

198 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:25:24pm

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

Well, he has strategic and tactical principals. Without those he could not have made his money.

Etch-A-Sketch.

199 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:25:53pm
200 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:27:21pm

Pain in the butt.

201 alpuz  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:28:23pm

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

I was under the impression he was gifted money to help him make money. That doesn't seem like a strategy to me. Was it tactical?

202 Kragar  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:29:01pm

re: #201 alpuz

I was under the impression he was gifted money to help him make money. That doesn't seem like a strategy to me. Was it tactical?

Being born on third base doesn't mean you hit a triple.

203 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:29:08pm
204 jaunte  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:29:29pm

NASA officials say the Curiosity rover has made its first scoop of the surface of planet Mars and has detected a bright object on the ground.
[Link: www.chron.com...]

Alien Keys? AOL cd?

205 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:30:24pm

In an ironic twist. Honey Boo Boo manages to kill Little Green Footballs. I find that sad.

206 Kragar  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:30:56pm

re: #204 jaunte

NASA officials say the Curiosity rover has made its first scoop of the surface of planet Mars and has detected a bright object on the ground.
[Link: www.chron.com...]

Alien Keys? AOL cd?

"HEY! IT'S AN INDIAN HEAD!"

207 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:32:11pm

re: #204 jaunte

NASA officials say the Curiosity rover has made its first scoop of the surface of planet Mars and has detected a bright object on the ground.
[Link: www.chron.com...]

Alien Keys? AOL cd?

This might not be good...

Officials said in a news release Monday that they suspect the object might be a part of the six-wheeled rover, but they won't sample or scoop anymore until they figure out what it is.

208 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:32:56pm
209 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:33:08pm

re: #198 Gus

Etch-A-Sketch.

The ethics of Jell-O.

210 erik_t  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:34:03pm

re: #209 MittDoesNotCompute

The ethics of Jell-O.

Red jello always stays red.

211 jaunte  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:34:12pm

re: #207 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Photo:
[Link: cosmiclog.nbcnews.com...]

212 Kragar  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:34:19pm

XCOM news

[OTG] Brillig 14 minutes ago
Exit and restart steam to fix the corrupt file issue.
I see a lot of other people with the same issue that I had. Exiting and restarting steam fixed it for me. Just thought I'd let everyone know.

Thanks for finding out about the bugs for me, Targ.

213 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:43:21pm

re: #212 Kragar

XCOM news

Thanks for finding out about the bugs for me, Targ.

No prob. Too bad I had to learn the hard way. *grumblemuttergrumble*

214 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:52:16pm

I went and done killed the thread again. I'm a murderer! A murderer! A mur-diddily-derer!

215 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:55:42pm

re: #214 Targetpractice

I went and done killed the thread again. I'm a murderer! A murderer! A mur-diddily-derer!

Reddit killed the thread a long time ago. Wait in line.

216 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:56:05pm

re: #214 Targetpractice

I went and done killed the thread again. I'm a murderer! A murderer! A mur-diddily-derer!

Get lost, Flanders.

217 krypto  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 9:57:53pm

Could someone, anyone, please design and market a smart phone app to give minute by minute updates of Mitt Romney's current positions.

He's been flip-flopping at too high a frequency to keep track of.

He flip-flopped on the 47% by saying he was completely wrong. But the problem is that Limbaugh and his ilk in Romney's base were overjoyed that he was expressing their favorite view of other Americans, so it is hard to believe he hasn't flipped back by now.

It's hard to stay current.

218 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:02:57pm
219 Gus  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:06:27pm
220 lostlakehiker  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:06:37pm

re: #5 jaunte

Texans willing to pay higher taxes for teacher pay, water

Teachers in Texas aren't already paid $76000 per year on average, like Chicago teachers already were when they went on strike.

(Oh, and let's do keep in mind that that $76000 figure was, indeed, the correct number. The average. Notwithstanding skepticism at this site.)

When you're underpaid, there's more of a case to be made for a big raise than when you're already making money that's rare in your line of work.

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:06:45pm

re: #118 moderatelyradicalliberal

I like Andrew most of the time, but lets be real he wouldn't have made the realization if he weren't gay.

To be honest, although I wouldn't take him too seriously under any circumstances, it's the Trig Palin thing that makes me think he's actually batshit crazy. And childish.

222 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:10:07pm

re: #203 JamesWI

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I hear he lost like 49 states because he did so poorly in that debate.

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223 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:10:57pm

re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist

To be honest, although I wouldn't take him too seriously under any circumstances, it's the Trig Palin thing that makes me think he's actually batshit crazy. And childish.

He's a drama queen by his own admission.

224 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:18:04pm

re: #223 moderatelyradicalliberal

He's a drama queen by his own admission.

True, but his obsessive focus on the "Bristol is Trig's real mother!!1" conspiracy theory was both crazy and creepy.

225 Kronocide  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:18:24pm

re: #118 moderatelyradicalliberal

I like Andrew most of the time, but lets be real he wouldn't have made the realization if he weren't gay.

My imagination of KT is Andrew Sullivan. But with cats and denim overalls.

226 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:19:30pm

re: #225 Kronocide

My imagination of KT is Andrew Sullivan. But with cats and denim overalls.

And frogs, don't forget the frogs.

228 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:23:40pm

re: #222 moderatelyradicalliberal

I hear he lost like 49 states because he did so poorly in that debate.

//

Game over man, game over! *sobs*

229 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:26:10pm

re: #205 Gus

In an ironic twist. Honey Boo Boo manages to kill Little Green Footballs. I find that sad.

I tell you, people need to stop underestimating that kid.

Plus, she's an LGBT ally.

230 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:27:22pm

re: #220 lostlakehiker

Teachers in Texas aren't already paid $76000 per year on average, like Chicago teachers already were when they went on strike.

(Oh, and let's do keep in mind that that $76000 figure was, indeed, the correct number. The average. Notwithstanding skepticism at this site.)

When you're underpaid, there's more of a case to be made for a big raise than when you're already making money that's rare in your line of work.

My skepticism was quickly backed up by statistics. If you've found better ones, please point me in their direction.

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:27:43pm

re: #223 moderatelyradicalliberal

He's a drama queen by his own admission.

Well, many's the pundit wouldn't admit it.

232 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:28:53pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

True, but his obsessive focus on the "Bristol is Trig's real mother!!1" conspiracy theory was both crazy and creepy.

Not to mention biologically dubious.

233 blueraven  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:30:08pm

What the fucking hell?

Republican candidate Fuqua endorses death penalty for rebellious children

Mickey_being_Mickey paged it here
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

But if you are having problems loading pages at LGF, see it here

[Link: www.arktimes.com...]

...from his book, "God's Law: The Only Political Solution."

I have more for you today. To save space, I've omitted the Biblical citation for Fuqua's endorsement of the death penalty for rebellious children. Fuqua doesn't think execution would have to be used often on children who defied their parents, but suggests the deterrent effect of its legality would be beneficial. Verbatim, from the writing of Charlie Fuqua, a former lawyer for the Arkansas Department of Human Services:

The maintenance of civil order in society rests on the foundation of family discipline. Therefore, a child who disrespects his parents must be permanently removed from society in a way that gives an example to all other children of the importance of respect for parents. The death penalty for rebellioius children is not something to be taken lightly. The guidelines for administering the death penalty to rebellious children are given in Deut 21:18-21:

This passage does not give parents blanket authority to kill their children. They must follow the proper procedure in order to have the death penalty executed against their children. I cannot think of one instance in the Scripture where parents had their child put to death. Why is this so? Other than the love Christ has for us, there is no greater love then [sic] that of a parent for their child. The last people who would want to see a child put to death would be the parents of the child. Even so, the Scrpture provides a safe guard to protect children from parents who would wrongly exercise the death penalty against them. Parents are required to bring their children to the gate of the city. The gate of the city was the place where the elders of the city met and made judicial pronouncements. In other words, the parents were required to take their children to a court of law and lay out their case before the proper judicial authority, and let the judicial authority determine if the child should be put to death. I know of many cases of rebellious children, however, I cannot think of one case where I believe that a parent had given up on their child to the point that they would have taken their child to a court of law and asked the court to rule that the child be put to death. Even though this procedure would rarely be used, if it were the law of land, it would give parents authority. Children would know that their parents had authority and it would be a tremendous incentive for children to give proper respect to their parents.

234 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:32:19pm

re: #233 blueraven

What the fucking hell?

Republican candidate Fuqua endorses death penalty for rebellious children

Mickey_being_Mickey paged it here
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

But if you are having problems loading pages at LGF, see it here

[Link: www.arktimes.com...]

1. Given the extremely complicated reasoning that the Talmud engages in to neutralize this passage, you'd think this guy would have the grace not to just throw it out there like that.

2. Do we really want to place this sort of power in the hands of parents who would actually use it?

235 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:34:47pm

re: #233 blueraven

What the fucking hell?

Republican candidate Fuqua endorses death penalty for rebellious children

Mickey_being_Mickey paged it here
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

But if you are having problems loading pages at LGF, see it here

[Link: www.arktimes.com...]

*facepalm*

If there is one "argument" in favor of capital punishment I have grown tired of, it's that the existence of it acts as a "deterrent." It could not be further from the truth.

236 blueraven  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:36:05pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

1. Given the extremely complicated reasoning that the Talmud engages in to neutralize this passage, you'd think this guy would have the grace not to just throw it out there like that.

2. Do we really want to place this sort of power in the hands of parents who would actually use it?

I cant even imagine what else is in a book called God's Law: The Only Political Solution

This guy should not be holding political office of any kind.

237 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:37:41pm

"I'm sorry Ricky but your mother tells me that you talked back to her, now come on we have an appointment with the judge about putting you to death."

238 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:42:15pm

it's the children who aren't ever rebellious who worry me

239 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:49:11pm

re: #238 engineer cat

it's the children who aren't ever rebellious who worry me

"He was such a quiet man..."

240 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:50:25pm

re: #236 blueraven

I cant even imagine what else is in a book called God's Law: The Only Political Final Solution

This guy should not be holding political office of any kind.

Let's call it out for what these nutburgers really mean and want, for everyone who isn't as batshit crazy as they are.

241 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:50:41pm

re: #219 Gus

Love this song!

242 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 10:51:30pm

re: #219 Gus

LOVE the Michelle Bachmann ad on the link!

243 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 11:30:24pm

yahoo mail has gone forblunget

244 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 11:45:34pm

re: #243 engineer cat

yahoo mail has gone forblunget

Working fine for me...

245 Kragar  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 11:46:21pm

Looks like XCOM went live before midnight here, just reverified the preload, restarted steam and its unpacking now.

246 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 11:48:12pm

re: #244 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Working fine for me...

hmmmm...

247 freetoken  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 11:50:22pm

Meanwhile, on the other side of the world from Honey Boo Boo:

Russian Deputy Calls for Creationism to be Taught in School

A Russian lawmaker has proposed introducing alternative theories of human evolution to Darwinism, including creationist ideas, into the obligatory school syllabus.

State Duma Deputy Vyacheslav Lysakov stressed, however, that he thought the move should not be made immediately, and emphasized it was his personal point of view.

Several Russian papers reported recently that United Russia parliamentarians have proposed changing the secondary school history program to include not only Darwin’s theory of evolution but also faith-based alternatives.

“I was answering the question whether I agree that Darwin’s theory prevails in school books as the only true one. I said probably it is incorrect, considering Darwin’s theory raises serious questions and is widely criticized,” Lysakov said, adding it would be right to set out several theories of human evolution including one based on religion. [TEACH THE CONTROVERSY!!]

“Moreover we have a lot of believers and having only one theory is incorrect,” he said, adding “of course, we are not preparing any law on this.”

Schoolchildren are already taught that Darwin's theory is not the only theory of human origins, State Duma Education Committee member and former head of Federal Education Agency Grigory Balykhin said.

Starting this year, fourth-graders will have the opportunity to study a new subject, Fundamentals of Religion. As part of this course, they can choose a more detailed study of the principles of a particular religion, the history of all religions in general or can study ethics at their request, he said.
“I think that additional study of this issue in history lessons is unnecessary, as there is a special course for it.” Balykhin said.

Darwin, a British biologist, began developing his theory of evolution and natural selection in 1838 after sailing around the world with the Royal Navy and observing wildlife and plants. His book, "The Origin of Species" was first published in 1859.

The theory suggests natural species, including man, have evolved slowly over time in response to a process of natural selection, in which those with certain advantageous characteristics are most likely to succeed in breeding, passing on those characteristics to subsequent generations.

The theory has since come under criticism from other scientists as well as religious critics who say it is atheistic.

Note how the Ria Novosti writer just throws in that last paragraph as if there indeed is merit to creationism.

Couple this with the Russian Orthodox church changing its stand on whether R.O. priests can hold political positions, and the increasing pressure being brought forward by the R.O. church against protest groups (e.g., Pussy Riot), it seems like Russia is one step closer to theocracy than even the GOP.

248 freetoken  Mon, Oct 8, 2012 11:56:01pm

For your overnight listening, here is Edvard Grieg's cello sonata (his opus 36.) The Wikipedia article sort of disses it, but I find it to be very engaging piece.

Here is a version with a very lively piano, and both the the cello and piano closely mic'd during a good live performance:

249 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 12:15:11am

Bwahahaha...

THE COLLECTIVE posted Thu, Sep 22 2011, 11:56pm

I know there are Bigfoot researchers and others that cringe when this is brought up...but, fact is there has been numerous reports of bigfoot and bigfoot-like creatures seen entering and leaving a landed UFO. It has been reported for decades all over the world. We have had numerous reports of this right here in Wisconsin as well.
So the question is, are these bigfoot all the same? Is the connection only with certain ones? And what could be the idea or agenda behind this if these reports are true?
I recall reading were the American indians believed that bigfoot was brought here by people from the sky.
Thoughts?

Yeah I have a thought, I think you might want to seek therapy.

250 freetoken  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 12:55:30am

I see that the half governor was featured on DWTS, again. She's there now every week. Of course her daughter is dancing so it is perfectly reasonable that a parent would show up to watch their child compete, but why does ABC have to feature the half governor in so many shots (and speaking parts)?

It can't be that the Palin's are that popular with the television audience as a whole. I suspect it is for the drama. Bristol keeps getting threatening packages, so ABC must know that they are pushing buttons.

251 ozbloke  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 1:03:21am

Mexican navy kills drug lord in shootout.

The Mexican navy says that the leader of the powerful Zetas drug cartel, Heriberto Lazcano, has apparently been killed in a shootout near the US border.

The navy said in a statement that it was still awaiting final forensic results, but that the body appeared to be Lazcano, aka 'El Lazca (The Executioner)', the leader of the feared cartel, which has been implicated in a string of mass killings.

The shootout reportedly occurred in Coahuila, one of the border states that have been at the epicentre of Mexico's vicious drug war, believed to have claimed some 60,000 lives since the launch of a military crackdown in 2006.

US authorities say the Zetas are one of Mexico's most powerful gangs alongside the Pacific region's Sinaloa federation, led by fugitive billionaire Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman.

Much of the north-east is in the clutches of the Zetas cartel, which was founded by former Mexican special forces soldiers who went rogue and are known for decapitating and dismembering their enemies.

The Zetas were originally hired as enforcers for the Gulf Cartel, but turned on their employers and have fought them for control of lucrative drug routes to the United States.

More...

252 freetoken  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 1:18:47am

Since we're doing Grieg tonight I figured it would be worth posting one of his most iconic pieces - his piano concerto. It is very much over-played because of its popularity, but here is an older recording reportedly by another icon himself - Van Cliburn:

253 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 1:20:50am

Early Morning all!

I see the hamsters are up and have eaten their Wheaties!

you?

254 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 1:23:16am

re: #247 freetoken

Meanwhile, on the other side of the world from Honey Boo Boo:

Russian Deputy Calls for Creationism to be Taught in School

Note how the Ria Novosti writer just throws in that last paragraph as if there indeed is merit to creationism.

Couple this with the Russian Orthodox church changing its stand on whether R.O. priests can hold political positions, and the increasing pressure being brought forward by the R.O. church against protest groups (e.g., Pussy Riot), it seems like Russia is one step closer to theocracy than even the GOP.

Only a couple of decades away from the Socialist Republic and they've devolved to being this anti-science?

255 researchok  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 1:24:02am

Morning, all

256 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 1:51:31am

re: #220 lostlakehiker

Teachers in Texas aren't already paid $76000 per year on average, like Chicago teachers already were when they went on strike.

(Oh, and let's do keep in mind that that $76000 figure was, indeed, the correct number. The average. Notwithstanding skepticism at this site.)

When you're underpaid, there's more of a case to be made for a big raise than when you're already making money that's rare in your line of work.

Chicago cost of living is much higher than cities in Texas, 15 to 18% on average with housing being 25 to 35% less expensive. You don't deal with that because it's inconvenient to the shitty little point you're trying to make. When you factor in the difference in literacy rates it looks like the Illinois population is getting a pretty good return on their investment.

257 researchok  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 1:55:08am

re: #248 freetoken

Great selection this week.

Getting reacquainted with Grieg.

258 researchok  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 2:04:28am

re: #252 freetoken

Stopped playing 7 mins in

Which is too bad- this is really an iconic pice.

259 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 2:06:14am

re: #256 goddamnedfrank

Chicago cost of living is much higher than cities in Texas, 15 to 18% on average with housing being 25 to 35% less expensive. You don't deal with that because it's inconvenient to the shitty little point you're trying to make. When you factor in the difference in literacy rates it looks like the Illinois population is getting a pretty good return on their investment.

I find a lot of people simply cannot fathom how expensive it is to live in a big city. $100K is not a lot of money for a family in Chicago or NY. That is why so many "people" are talking about poverty and such in America. Two people working a low level job in Chicago CANNOT make enough to cover their expenses. It is a very big deal.

260 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 2:06:25am

bbl

261 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 2:29:51am

Morning Honcos. Can't stay long.

262 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 2:32:16am

Rugby player loses testicle after final defeat
Showing his sense of humor remained intact, he later tweeted: "Just coming out the hospital to go home... Seriously feel like I've left something?

"Tony Smith (Warrington coach) did say in his pre-match team talk last night 'your balls are on the line here guys!' I didn't think he meant literally."
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Heh.

263 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 2:47:41am

Man shoots himself during Russian Roulette in St. Petersburg
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

264 freetoken  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 3:20:57am
265 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 3:45:35am

re: #110 palomino

Sullivan is an extreme neurotic, prone to freaking out.

Having said that, he deserves credit for realizing about 8 years ago that his party was no longer conservative in the traditional sense: they had become reactionary, theocratic, and extremely right wing. He was also one of the first quasi-neocons to admit that the whole philosophy and project in Iraq/Afghanistan was deeply flawed.

And, his is a consistently entertaining site—in many ways.

266 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 4:16:10am

It's cold.
It's raining.
It's a cold rain.
I got stuck in it.

267 palomino  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 4:23:00am

re: #265 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)

And, his is a consistently entertaining site—in many ways.

Yeah, I've been reading it off and on for almost 10 years. He's got a few weird obsessions (Sarah Palin's baby, for example), but his site isn't just worthwhile for political analysis. Lots of other good stuff, too.

268 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 4:31:23am

re: #263 Cannadian Club Akbar

Man shoots himself during Russian Roulette in St. Petersburg
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

why is this news?

269 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 4:36:36am

When you combine alcohol, college kids and pumpkins, hilarity ensues. Why didn't I ever think of this?
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]

270 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 5:34:27am

re: #199 Gus

Mitt Romney will be whoever you want him to be.

And then he sucks all the salt out of your body and kills you.

271 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:07:29am

Hamsters are slacking again.

272 dragonath  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:13:38am

Wow, people HAVE to see this. The Australian Prime Minister goes hard against the Republican-like policies and misogyny of the Australian National/Liberal coalition.

273 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:16:31am

Good morning lizards!

274 SidewaysQuark  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:17:50am

Not that it's a shocker, but this article to me marks the fine line where conservative commentary has OFFICIALLY crossed the line into self-parody:

Big Bird is a Democrat Dupe (actual title)

275 Lidane  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:20:43am

Has austin_blue been around lately? I wanted to ask him something.

276 darthstar  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:21:43am

Mornin' everyone... It looks like Erick Erickson tried to get in touch with his inner James O'Keefe. Posing as a Russian donor to President Obama and failing.

277 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:23:02am

NASA’s Rover Finds Mysterious Bright Object on Mars

After having found evidence of water on the surface of Mars, Nasa's Curiosity rover has now provided another breakthrough for the space agency's Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) mission.

The Curiosity rover has reportedly found a bright object buried in the Martian surface, after its first scoop of the planet's soil on 7 October. Scientists remain very cautious, speculating it could be nothing more than a piece of the rover itself that had fallen off and refused to comment without a proper investigation.

"Team spotted bright object on ground near me-possibly a piece of rover hardware? Gathering more data [info]," Nasa tweeted on the official account of the Curiosity rover.

Scooping has been temporarily halted while the process of identification of the object and possible impact on the mission is completed.

278 Lidane  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:24:00am
279 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:27:33am

re: #277 NJDhockeyfan

NASA’s Rover Finds Mysterious Bright Object on Mars

My Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator!!!

280 darthstar  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:28:25am

re: #247 freetoken

Meanwhile, on the other side of the world from Honey Boo Boo:

Russian Deputy Calls for Creationism to be Taught in School

Note how the Ria Novosti writer just throws in that last paragraph as if there indeed is merit to creationism.

Couple this with the Russian Orthodox church changing its stand on whether R.O. priests can hold political positions, and the increasing pressure being brought forward by the R.O. church against protest groups (e.g., Pussy Riot), it seems like Russia is one step closer to theocracy than even the GOP.

Having lost the race to the moon, and then the cold war, Russia has decided that it's going to compete with us in losing the War on Error? Soon, we'll be rife with misplaced apostrophe's (see what I did there?) as Americans proudly declare, "No, WE own ignorance!"

281 Mattand  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:28:48am

re: #270 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

And then he sucks all the salt out of your body and kills you.

Upding plus infinity for Star Trek reference.

282 darthstar  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:30:18am

re: #278 Lidane

What I want to know is why Penn State football games are being televised. The effort to "put this whole mess behind us" is astounding.

283 Lidane  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:30:29am

*sigh*

Why is this nutcase an elected official? WTF.

284 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:31:13am

re: #283 Lidane

[Embedded content]

*sigh*

Why is this nutcase an elected official? WTF.

Because they were bronze age primitive humans.
Derp.

285 darthstar  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:31:23am

re: #277 NJDhockeyfan

NASA’s Rover Finds Mysterious Bright Object on Mars

I knew I was drunk, but I can't believe I left my keys there.

286 Lidane  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:31:56am

re: #282 darthstar

What I want to know is why Penn State football games are being televised. The effort to "put this whole mess behind us" is astounding.

What I want to know is why Penn State still has an active football program after all this shit. They should have gotten shut down for a few years as a punishment for looking the other way at Sandusky's crimes.

287 darthstar  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:34:02am

re: #286 Lidane

What I want to know is why Penn State still has an active football program after all this shit. They should have gotten shut down for a few years as a punishment for looking the other way at Sandusky's crimes.

Exactly. But barring that, the media shouldn't work to rebuild their image for them. Then again, they're the media. They have no soul.

288 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:34:42am
289 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:35:36am

re: #285 darthstar

I knew I was drunk, but I can't believe I left my keys there.

Son of a bitch!
You were the one who stole my shuttle!

290 darthstar  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:37:00am

re: #277 NJDhockeyfan

NASA’s Rover Finds Mysterious Bright Object on Mars

I'd love it if Rover saw a little bug scurrying across a rock. Life on other planets. Sadly, it would set off a race as scientists from around the world launched efforts to send someone to Mars to find the little critter, kill it, and bring it back to earth so we could study it.

291 darthstar  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:37:39am

re: #289 Varek Raith

Son of a bitch!
You were the one who stole my shuttle!

Sorry about the scratches...parallel parking in space is a bitch!

292 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:38:30am

Taliban says it shot ‘infidel’ Pakistani teen for advocating girls’ rights

A 14-year-old Pakistani activist who won international acclaim for speaking out for girls denied education under the Taliban was shot Tuesday on her way home from school, authorities said.

The Pakistani Taliban claimed responsibility for the attack on ninth-grader Malala Yousafzai, who officials said was shot in the neck by at least one gunman who approached a school bus in Mingora, a city in the scenic Swat valley in the country’s northwest.
....
Ihsanullah Ihsan, chief spokesman for the Pakistani Taliban, said in calls to the media that the militant group targeted Yousafzai because she generated “negative propaganda” about Muslims.

“She considers President Obama as her ideal. Malala is the symbol of the infidels and obscenity,” Ihsan said.

293 darthstar  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:39:44am
294 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:41:15am

Whew.

295 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:41:59am

re: #292 Killgore Trout

Taliban says it shot ‘infidel’ Pakistani teen for advocating girls’ rights

Ahh yes, our "friends" the Pakistani's.

296 darthstar  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:42:20am

re: #292 Killgore Trout

Taliban says it shot ‘infidel’ Pakistani teen for advocating girls’ rights

Sad. Cultural change is a long, slow process. The harder we push to bring western ideology to people, the more they'll push back.

297 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:42:30am

re: #280 darthstar

Soon, we'll be rife with misplaced apostrophe's (see what I did there?) as Americans proudly declare, "No, WE own ignorance!"

Image: 72049_10151088621076840_803605513_n.jpg

298 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:43:56am

re: #292 Killgore Trout

Taliban says it shot ‘infidel’ Pakistani teen for advocating girls’ rights

Ihsanullah Ihsan, chief spokesman for the Pakistani Taliban, said in calls to the media that the militant group targeted Yousafzai because she generated “negative propaganda” about Muslims.

She generated negative propaganda about Muslims so they tried to kill her? That make no sense.

299 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:45:45am
300 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:45:55am

re: #296 darthstar

Sad. Cultural change is a long, slow process.

But here's the thing - Pakistan wasn't always this bad. My parents grew up there, and I don't recall hearing about this sort of heinous garbage going on around them. It's only because of the asshole leaders who came along later and kissed up to religious extremists for power (sound familiar?) that things have regressed and devolved to this point.

Moral of the story? Beware. Civilization can - and will - shrivel up and die if ignorant religious extremists are given too much power.

301 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:46:03am

Religion makes people stupid.

302 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:46:42am

re: #298 NJDhockeyfan

She generated negative propaganda about Muslims so they tried to kill her? That make no sense.

They just wanted to show her how it's really done.

304 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:47:14am

re: #298 NJDhockeyfan

She generated negative propaganda about Muslims so they tried to kill her? That make no sense.

It makes sense to them. Violent riots and terrorism are the standard response to cartoons and movies the deem insulting. It's just the way they do business.

305 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:47:45am

re: #301 Varek Raith

Religion makes people stupid.

Silence!

//

307 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:48:52am
308 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:50:21am

re: #307 Gus

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He'd fit right in with the Taliban.

309 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:50:44am

re: #301 Varek Raith

Religion makes people stupid.

"I'm an ass, but God made me that way, so you know, it's all good !"
-Fanatic

310 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:51:17am

re: #308 Varek Raith

He'd fit right in with the Taliban.

Might even be too extreme for the Taliban.

//

311 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:51:26am

re: #308 Varek Raith

He'd fit right in with the Taliban.

Exactly, shoot them in the neck. Those fucking uppity kids talking against their religion.

312 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:51:51am

Morning everybody!

313 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:53:11am
314 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:53:54am
315 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:54:54am
316 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:55:26am

I'm alive, my kids are healthy, and Romney still ain't president.
Good so far...
:-)

317 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:55:38am
318 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:56:16am

re: #317 Gus

That cat looks like Gizmo from the Gremlins.

319 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:56:41am

Man Accused Of Unusual Threats Against Obama & Romney

Akron, OH (WJW) — A convicted sex offender was arrested and charged with making death threats against President Barack Obama and Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney.

Brandon Britton, 51, of Akron, was in federal custody after an arrest warrant was issued by a federal judge in Akron on Monday.

...According to the nine-page federal complaint, Britton joined the online dating service Mega Mates earlier this year, but wanted to cancel his membership.

The complaint alleges Britton repeatedly called the website’s customer service agents and threatened to do torturous and sexual things to their children if they did not cancel his membership.

Britton faces a third federal charge for those threats.

Britton was recorded as saying that he is “…anti-government and going to kill President Obama and Governor Romney,” according to the complaint.

320 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:57:06am

re: #314 Gus

Image: Grumpy-Cat-Tadar-Sauce.jpg

Clicking a picture to view now takes me half way up the comments, shows me the picture, then leaves me there to have to scroll back down to where I was. Just started today. Anyone else having this issue? FireFox 15.0.1 on XP.

321 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:57:34am

re: #320 Eventual Carrion

Clicking a picture to view now takes me half way up the comments, shows me the picture, then leaves me there to have to scroll back down to where I was. Just started today. Anyone else having this issue? FireFox 15.0.1 on XP.

Same here.

322 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:57:44am

re: #318 Reverend Mother Ramallo

That cat looks like Gizmo from the Gremlins.

[Link: memegenerator.net...]

323 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:58:24am

re: #319 NJDhockeyfan

Man Accused Of Unusual Threats Against Obama & Romney

I live in Akron...
No surprises there.

324 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:58:54am
325 wheat-dogg  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 7:59:35am

My FF is not loading the comments when I click the New Comments button. I have to reload the page

326 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:00:26am

re: #323 Reverend Mother Ramallo

I live in Akron...
No surprises there.

Things picking up in Akron? I have had quite a few headhunters sending me position information from companies in Akron over the last few months. Some looked interesting, but not enough for the 1.5 hour one way commute.

327 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:01:34am

re: #325 wheatdogg

My FF is not loading the comments when I click the New Comments button. I have to reload the page

I had that happening last night on my laptop at home. Haven't seen it on the work machine today.

328 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:02:21am

I blame Honey Boo Boo.

329 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:03:59am

re: #320 Eventual Carrion

Clicking a picture to view now takes me half way up the comments, shows me the picture, then leaves me there to have to scroll back down to where I was. Just started today. Anyone else having this issue? FireFox 15.0.1 on XP.

Yes, exact same issue with exact same FireFox, except I'm Win7 not XP.

330 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:04:11am

re: #326 Eventual Carrion

Things picking up in Akron? I have had quite a few headhunters sending me position information from companies in Akron over the last few months. Some looked interesting, but not enough for the 1.5 hour one way commute.

Economically, we're doing pretty well.
Especially in medicine and sciency stuff.

331 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:04:58am

re: #326 Eventual Carrion

Things picking up in Akron? I have had quite a few headhunters sending me position information from companies in Akron over the last few months. Some looked interesting, but not enough for the 1.5 hour one way commute.

Are you north or south?

332 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:05:03am

re: #320 Eventual Carrion

Clicking a picture to view now takes me half way up the comments, shows me the picture, then leaves me there to have to scroll back down to where I was. Just started today. Anyone else having this issue? FireFox 15.0.1 on XP.

Not here. Last night it wasn't converting the URL's from Tweets but that was fixed. I think this page has a few errors or something. I blame Reddit. ;)

333 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:05:42am

re: #330 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Economically, we're doing pretty well.
Especially in medicine and sciency stuff.

Science is of the debil.

334 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:06:25am
335 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:06:50am

Looks like launch has resumed for the Stratos mission.
[Link: www.redbullstratos.com...]

336 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:07:23am

re: #333 Gus

Science is of the debil.

...and so am I.
=:-P

337 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:07:51am
338 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:09:23am

re: #337 Gus

[Embedded content]

That was the shit !!!
Best commercial evah!

339 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:10:15am

re: #338 Reverend Mother Ramallo

That was the shit !!!
Best commercial evah!

Made me laugh and pisses off the wingnuts! Loved it.

340 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:10:28am
341 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:11:36am

Gaza rockets pound southern Israel

Palestinian terrorists operating out of the Gaza Strip fired as many as 50 rockets and mortar shells into southern Israel on Monday, as Israelis were marking the final day of the biblical festival of Sukkot - the Feast of Tabernacles.

Most of the rockets landed in open areas and did not cause any injuries or damage, but some did strike residential buildings and a petting zoo, killing and wounding several of the animals.

Israeli army sources said the Palestinians were able to fire so many rockets in such a short period of time thanks to the recent acquisition of sophisticated launchers capable of firing multiple rockets at once.

The barrage came a day after Israeli forces targeted two wanted terrorists traveling by motorcycle in the Gaza Strip. Israeli officials identified the two men, members of an Al Qaeda-inspired group, as being involved in recent deadly attacks emanating from the Egyptian Sinai.

Bastards.

342 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:12:01am

Update on Barett Brown
Anonymous Associate Barrett Brown Indicted, Seeks Competency Evaluation

Brown is represented by the Federal Defender's office.
Looks like his claims to have a wealthy benefactor providing free legal support were false.

344 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:13:36am

re: #331 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Are you north or south?

North east of you, just north of Sharon PA on Ohio border.

345 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:13:43am

re: #342 Killgore Trout

Update on Barett Brown
Anonymous Associate Barrett Brown Indicted, Seeks Competency Evaluation

Brown is represented by the Federal Defender's office.
Looks like his claims to have a wealthy benefactor providing free legal support were false.

I actually thought about the competency thing. Frankly, I think ol' Barrett might have a couple of loose screws. He should plead guilty and get about 3 years and be done with it.

346 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:14:05am

re: #332 Gus

Not here. Last night it wasn't converting the URL's from Tweets but that was fixed. I think this page has a few errors or something. I blame Reddit. ;)

Just happened to me when I clicked on the image link in #313.

347 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:14:17am

re: #341 NJDhockeyfan

Israeli officials identified the two men, members of an Al Qaeda-inspired group, as being involved in recent deadly attacks emanating from the Egyptian Sinai.

It's starting to look more likely that the Egyptians and Israelis are going to cooperate. Gaza is a threat to everybody in the vicinity.

348 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:15:07am

re: #333 Gus

Science is of the debil.

But my background is medical and science. And yes, I am an emissary of the debil, but my duties are mostly ceremonial.

349 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:16:15am

re: #346 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Just happened to me when I clicked on the image link in #313.

Reloaded the page and still works. FF 15.0.1. It's no doubt temporary.

350 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:16:24am

re: #345 Gus

I actually thought about the competency thing. Frankly, I think ol' Barrett might have a couple of loose screws. He should plead guilty and get about 3 years and be done with it.

I also got the impression that at the time of the video he was recently off heroin (again). He might get a temporary insanity plea but his actions this time aren't really any different that shit he's done in the past. I think he's stuck like this.

351 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:17:15am

re: #350 Killgore Trout

I also got the impression that at the time of the video he was recently off heroin (again). He might get a temporary insanity plea but his actions this time aren't really any different that shit he's done in the past. I think he's stuck like this.

Yep. These are serious charges.

353 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:19:18am

re: #344 Eventual Carrion

North east of you, just north of Sharon PA on Ohio border.

Probably not worth the drive...yet.
Especially not in winter.
But keep an eye out, our city and county leadership is very progressive.

354 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:24:03am

Moonbat news from Pakistan...

Code Pink joins Pakistani political party in anti-drone protest

A group of Americans joined thousands of Pakistanis to complete a two-day and 230-mile peace march across the country yesterday to protest America’s use of drones in Pakistan's tribal areas.

A party of 30 men and women between the ages of 22 and 80 years old were organized by the American anti-war coalition Code Pink. They joined Pakistani cricketer-turned-politician Imran Khan, and thousands of protestors from his party Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaaf (PTI).

The two-day march was set to travel from Islamabad toSouth Waziristan, a region known for American drone attacks, Pakistani Army operations, and Islamist militants. However, the march stopped short of entering the tribal area when the Army turned Mr. Khan and his supporters away. Code Pink turned back even earlier — at Dera Ismail Khan, the last stop before South Waziristan – citing security threats to the delegation.

...Dressed in pink and holding banners saying “Stop Killer Drones,” Code Pink's delegation made V-signs and sang “We're marching to Waziristan” and “We're hoping for a drone-free world” at a rally organized in Islamabad, before taking off on a 14-hour bus ride from the capital the following day.

With their coordinated colors, the delegation of Americans said they were ready to risk their lives for killings caused by their government, thousands of miles away from their homes in the United States.

“I’m 71 years old [and] I’m ready to die for this cause," said Linda Welling, a member of Code Pink fromPortland, Ore., leaning back in her seat in a bus plastered with pictures of children killed in American drone attacks.

“How is our government any better than the militants we battle?” asks Joan Nicholson, a 78-year-old member of Code Pink who was once arrested inWashington for shouting “We are a terrorist nation!”

355 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:25:34am
356 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:26:37am

BIG TOBACCO IS RIPPING US OFF!

357 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:28:06am

Question:
“How is our government any better than the militants we battle?” asks Joan Nicholson, a 78-year-old member of Code Pink who was once arrested inWashington for shouting “We are a terrorist nation!”

Answer:
Your dumb ass should stay in Pakistan.

358 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:28:40am
359 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:29:15am

re: #358 Eventual Carrion

The show (sale) must go on ...

A sad reflection of consumerist America.

360 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:31:09am

re: #353 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Probably not worth the drive...yet.
Especially not in winter.
But keep an eye out, our city and county leadership is very progressive.

I like the Akron/Canton area. Easy access to airport, things to do. Just not in position to move at the moment. Will still entertain interesting prospects if they come up. And yes, the winter driving part is a big consideration, adds another half hour to the commute sometimes.

361 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:32:06am

...

362 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:32:39am

Oops. Still not converting...

Take two!

363 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:35:23am

re: #356 NJDhockeyfan

BIG TOBACCO IS RIPPING US OFF!

Not me

Not since I quit my 2 1/2 pack a day habit cold turkey in the early 80's!

364 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:37:22am
365 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:37:50am

re: #363 sattv4u2

Not me

Not since I quit my 2 1/2 pack a day habit cold turkey in the early 80's!

How 'bout you send some of that will power this way ?

366 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:38:10am

I just don't understand the hate for this girl. What has she done to deserve death threats?

Bristol Palin receives death threat on set of DWTS

The Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) and the FBI have joined forces to investigate a possible death threat against Dancing With the Stars All-Star Bristol Palin.

According to TMZ, a package addressed to Bristol containing a white powdery substance was opened on the CBS lot in West Hollywood.

The package also contained a note, demanding Bristol be removed from the show ... or else.

The note also stated that additional and similar packages would be delivered if Sara Palin’s daughter wasn’t removed from the DWTS show.

FOX News shared that the note attached to the package containing the white powder read something like: "This is what will happen to you if Bristol Palin stays on [the show]."

367 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:38:11am

re: #304 Killgore Trout

It makes sense to them. Violent riots and terrorism are the standard response to cartoons and movies the deem insulting. It's just the way they do business.

You might want to clarify how wide "them" is.

368 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:38:56am

re: #365 Reverend Mother Ramallo

How 'bout you send some of that will power this way ?

Two words
Swizzle Sticks!

Anytime I had the urge I'd just put one of those in my mouth and gnaw on it

369 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:42:15am

re: #344 Eventual Carrion

North east of you, just north of Sharon PA on Ohio border.

I've been to Sharon. Started a bike trip there, rode to Albuquerque.

370 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:43:04am

re: #365 Reverend Mother Ramallo

How 'bout you send some of that will power this way ?

And just an aside adding to my "will power" prowess

I did it while traveling cross country in a vehicle with 3 other people, all smokers

371 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:43:14am

re: #369 wrenchwench

I've been to Sharon. Started a bike trip there, rode to Albuquerque.

Quite a ride. And here I am bitching about driving 1.5 hours to get to work :-)

372 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:43:58am
373 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:44:02am

re: #371 Eventual Carrion

Quite a ride. And here I am bitching about driving 1.5 hours to get to work :-)

Yeah, but I only did it once. And took a few months doing it. :)

374 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:44:43am

re: #372 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

That's it! The Zetas are finished!

//

375 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:44:43am

re: #367 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

You might want to clarify how wide "them" is.

I shouldn't have to but I'm not in the mood for an outrageous outrage this early in the morning. The conversation was clearly about Islamic fundamentalists in general and the Taliban specifically. But if you're determined to intentionally misinterpret my comments then no explanation will suffice.

376 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:44:43am

re: #372 NJDhockeyfan

[Embedded content]

Probably wasn't who they said it was, then.

377 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:45:22am

re: #370 sattv4u2

And just an aside adding to my "will power" prowess

I did it while traveling cross country in a vehicle with 3 other people, all smokers

How's the recovery going? Feeling better yet?

378 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:45:42am

re: #370 sattv4u2

And just an aside adding to my "will power" prowess

I did it while traveling cross country in a vehicle with 3 other people, all smokers

Impressive !
I would have lost it.

379 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:47:13am

re: #365 Reverend Mother Ramallo

How 'bout you send some of that will power this way ?

I was a 2-pack-a-day smoker until the day I caught bacterial pneumonia. I spent 10 days hardly able to breathe, let alone smoke. By the end of it I had (a) survived the physical symptoms of nicotine withdrawal (they were all mixed in with the miserableness of the pneumonia anyway) and (b) gotten a foretaste of what emphysema might be like.

Haven't had a smoke since, and it's been nearly 20 years.

Disease can be your friend.

380 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:47:51am

re: #377 Killgore Trout

How's the recovery going? Feeling better yet?

A LOT,, thanks

BUT,, they tell me the individual worst part is coming

Friday I have the stent removed (running from the kidney to the tip of the penis)

UPSIDE,, they give me Valium!!

381 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:48:12am

re: #370 sattv4u2

And just an aside adding to my "will power" prowess

I did it while traveling cross country in a vehicle with 3 other people, all smokers

Riding in a car with smokers. That's how I started.

382 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:49:14am

re: #378 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Impressive !
I would have lost it.

And ,, what I'm most proud of,, I don't take a conipition if someone lights up within the same area code as me

We could be sitting in a car together with you smoking and I wouldn't say a word, nor would I care, nor have I ever had the urge to start again

383 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:49:26am
384 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:49:59am

re: #375 Killgore Trout

I shouldn't have to but I'm not in the mood for an outrageous outrage this early in the morning. The conversation was clearly about Islamic fundamentalists in general and the Taliban specifically. But if you're determined to intentionally misinterpret my comments then no explanation will suffice.

Now now

You know unless you name each and every one of "them" individually ,,,,,

/

385 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:50:17am

Which is why you have to mix it up!

387 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:53:01am

re: #384 sattv4u2

Now now

You know unless you name each and every one of "them" individually ,,,,,

/

Who do you mean by "you"!?!?!?
/outraged by pronouns

388 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:54:42am

[facepalm]

Danny Glover celebrates Hugo Chavez's election win in Venezuela

The Lethal Weapon star struck up a friendship with the politician years ago and he joined in the party this weekend after Chavez emerged triumphant in the closest race of his 14 years in office.

In video footage captured by local TV station Noticiero Digital, Glover can be seen embracing and playfully sparring with Chavez, who is battling cancer, moments after news of his victory broke.

Glover isn't the President's only fan in Hollywood - actor Sean Penn and director Oliver Stone have also previously voiced their admiration and support for the controversial world leader, who has landed another six years as the head of state.

389 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:55:21am

re: #357 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Question:
“How is our government any better than the militants we battle?” asks Joan Nicholson, a 78-year-old member of Code Pink who was once arrested inWashington for shouting “We are a terrorist nation!”

Answer:
Your dumb ass should stay in Pakistan.

Be kind of funny if they "somehow" ended up on the No Fly list and got stranded over there, the moonbat rage would be quite entertaining too. Sigh...It couldn't happen right now though, damn elections, always spoiling the fun...

/

390 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:55:40am

re: #388 NJDhockeyfan

391 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:55:41am

re: #387 Killgore Trout

Who do you mean by "you"!?!?!?
/outraged by pronouns

If it's plural, you say "you are you"
If singular, it's "you is you"

And if you're in the south, like me

Singular = Y'All
Plural = All Y'All

392 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:56:28am

re: #388 NJDhockeyfan

[facepalm]

Danny Glover celebrates Hugo Chavez's election win in Venezuela

Still no allegations that the election was fishy. Could it be legit? Nobody seems to be questioning the results.

393 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:57:00am

re: #381 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Riding in a car with smokers. That's how I started.

I started after an argument with my newly wed husband.
He left me at a bar with my sister and sister-in-law who were smokers.
My dumb butt said, "gimmie one of those!"
I liked it, and the rest was history.

I've quit twice--the second time was for four years.
Unfortunately, we lived with my parents for a while, so I had a choice to make:
1) push mom down the steps
2)Puff till the pain goes away

I did it before. I can do it again.

394 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:57:31am

re: #392 Killgore Trout

Still no allegations that the election was fishy. Could it be legit? Nobody seems to be questioning the results.

I know

I thought I read that the opponent was something like 8-12 points ahead a few days before the election

395 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:58:43am

re: #393 Reverend Mother Ramallo

so I had a choice to make:
1) push mom down the steps
2)Puff till the pain goes away

I did it before. I can do it again.

I assume mom's well enough to be pushed down the steps again!!
/

396 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:58:52am

re: #392 Killgore Trout

In Venezuela election questions you.

397 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 8:59:35am

re: #394 sattv4u2

I know

I though I read that the opponent was something like 8-12 points ahead a few days before the election

I heard the same thing. They called the winner pretty quickly after voting was over.

398 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:00:57am

Sesame Streets word of the day

NO

[Link: www.sesameworkshop.org...]

399 The Mongoose  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:01:22am

re: #397 NJDhockeyfan

I heard the same thing. They called the winner pretty quickly after voting was over.

I'm not sure about this, but my understanding is that polling in a place like Venezuela can miss large swaths of people who simply aren't reachable. If those people are predisposed to support Chavez (likely) then you could see a result like this legitimately.

That being said...it still looks fishy as hell.

400 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:01:23am

re: #397 NJDhockeyfan

I heard the same thing. They called the winner pretty quickly after voting was over.

I'm not that surprised that the pre-election polling was off but they did call the election very quickly. within an hour or two of polls closing.

401 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:01:29am

Don't forget to ask yourself WHY Chavez was re-elected.

402 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:02:00am

re: #389 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Be kind of funny if they "somehow" ended up on the No Fly list and got stranded over there, the moonbat rage would be quite entertaining too. Sigh...It couldn't happen right now though, damn elections, always spoiling the fun...

/

The lesson:
It's easy to talk shit when you know you can still leave.

403 The Mongoose  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:03:39am

re: #401 Gus

Don't forget to ask yourself WHY Chavez was re-elected.

I imagine one's answer to this would depend on their point of view. I have friends from Venezuela (who fled because of Chavez) and they'll accept no answer other than he rigs elections and uses violence against his opponents.

I'm sure a Chavez supporter would say it's because he's for the people and against American imperialism.

404 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:05:09am

North Korea says its missiles can reach US
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

Fine Print,.,,, it comes via Fed Ex and you have to pay a lot more for overnight delivery!

405 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:05:31am

US man suspected of links to al-Qaeda arrested in Yemen

A US citizen suspected of having links to al-Qaeda has been arrested in Yemen, officials have told the BBC.

The man was detained in Ataq, in the province of Shabwa, the scene of an ongoing conflict between Islamist militants and Yemen's armed forces.

He was then transferred by military plane to the capital, Sanaa, where he was being investigated by the security services, the officials said.

The arrest took place on Monday. No details were given about his identity.

The man was wearing Arab clothes when he was arrested in the Sharqa Hotel in Ataq, according to a report on the privately-owned Yemeni news website, Yemen Fox, which quoted a local official.

The suspect spoke English, said he was a Muslim, and had three passports - two US and one German - in his possession, another official was quoted by the AFP news agency as saying.

406 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:09:05am

re: #403 The Mongoose

I imagine one's answer to this would depend on their point of view. I have friends from Venezuela (who fled because of Chavez) and they'll accept no answer other than he rigs elections and uses violence against his opponents.

I'm sure a Chavez supporter would say it's because he's for the people and against American imperialism.

My question is how the impoverished people of Venezuela feel compelled or a need to re-elect Chavez. How that impoverished base is maintained could delve into a conspiracy theory which would be as much as saying the vote count was fraudulent. The fact is that it may be real. The winners in the end are both the Chavistas and the capitalists that rely on a cheap labor/impoverished class. How much different is this from China, etc? We cry about Chavez yet readily blow off the far greater injustices of China as we shop in the local Apple store.

407 sattv4u2  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:11:03am

re: #406 Gus

how the impoverished people of Venezuela feel compelled or a need to re-elect Chavez.

When you have very little, and the people 'in charge" promise you something and you're told you'll get nothing of the "other" party/ person wins.,,,, better to have something than the unknown

(just a theory)

408 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:11:39am

re: #401 Gus

Don't forget to ask yourself WHY Chavez was re-elected.

It's hard to gauge his popular support. He's been running an authoritarian agenda of shutting down opposition tv, radio and newspapers, arresting reporters. How much control he has over voting and polls is questionable. He might be genuinely popular enough to win elections or he just might have enough control to game the system. It's not a free country.

409 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:12:06am

re: #391 sattv4u2

If it's plural, you say "you are you"
If singular, it's "you is you"

And if you're in the south, like me

Singular = Y'All
Plural = All Y'All

And in the Northease, the plural of "you" is "youse"

410 efuseakay  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:13:17am

re: #204 jaunte

NASA officials say the Curiosity rover has made its first scoop of the surface of planet Mars and has detected a bright object on the ground.
[Link: www.chron.com...]

Alien Keys? AOL cd?

Megatron.

412 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:14:16am

re: #408 Killgore Trout

It's hard to gauge his popular support. He's been running an authoritarian agenda of shutting down opposition tv, radio and newspapers, arresting reporters. How much control he has over voting and polls is questionable. He might be genuinely popular enough to win elections or he just might have enough control to game the system. It's not a free country.

He owes his "popularity" or rather his ability to remain in power to the revenues he gets from selling us oil. He is as much "our boy" as the Saudi, Kuwaiti and Bahraini monarchs who buy their power with our gas money.

413 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:15:00am

re: #409 AK-47%

And in the Northease, the plural of "you" is "youse"

Isn't that also the singular? Oh, sorry, I'm thinking of "yins".

414 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:15:30am

re: #406 Gus

My question is how the impoverished people of Venezuela feel compelled or a need to re-elect Chavez. How that impoverished base is maintained could delve into a conspiracy theory which would be as much as saying the vote count was fraudulent.

Is that much different than the Republican base here in the states?

415 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:15:47am

re: #409 AK-47%

And in the Northease, the plural of "you" is "youse"

Don't hear that much in New England. I think it's more of a NY/NJ thing.

My dad (who was born in western PA) used to say "y'nz", which I took for a shortening of "you'uns" ("you ones").

416 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:16:54am

re: #405 NJDhockeyfan

The suspect spoke English, said he was a Muslim, and had three passports - two US and one German - in his possession, another official was quoted by the AFP news agency as saying.

Nothing suspicious about that, I always carry three passports when I travel, just in case I lose two of them.

/

417 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:17:18am

re: #415 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Don't hear that much in New England. I think it's more of a NY/NJ thing.

My dad (who was born in western PA) used to say "y'nz", which I took for a shortening of "you'uns" ("you ones").

I forgot about youse guys...

418 Lidane  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:17:27am

re: #392 Killgore Trout

Nobody seems to be questioning the results.

That's because the results were never in question.

Chavez has no interest in relinquishing power. He was going to win no matter what the polls showed or what the voter turnout was like.

419 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:17:49am

My attitude on this, right now, is that we need to fix the injustices in our own yard.
I can't worry about Venezuela's voter fraud issues when people here are actively trying to disenfranchise whole segments of our own population.
We have a special kind of crazy to focus on, and it's trying to gain access to the Big Red Button.

420 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:18:12am

re: #414 Ghost of Tom Joad

Is that much different than the Republican base here in the states?

True. People also say that of the Democrats. I don't however think it's a manufactured electorate. By design. I guess then we get into a chicken and the egg thing.

421 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:18:23am

re: #415 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Don't hear that much in New England. I think it's more of a NY/NJ thing.

My dad (who was born in western PA) used to say "y'nz", which I took for a shortening of "you'uns" ("you ones").

Vinny Gambini: It is possible that the two yutes...
Judge Chamberlain Haller: ...Ah, the two what? Uh... uh, what was that word?
Vinny Gambini: Uh... what word?
Judge Chamberlain Haller: Two what?
Vinny Gambini: What?
Judge Chamberlain Haller: Uh... did you say 'yutes'?
Vinny Gambini: Yeah, two yutes.
Judge Chamberlain Haller: What is a yute?
Vinny Gambini: [beat] Oh, excuse me, your honor...
[exaggerated]
Vinny Gambini: Two YOUTHS.

422 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:21:42am

BBIAB.
Gotta go do crap I don't want to do.

423 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:21:50am

re: #420 Gus

True. People also say that of the Democrats. I don't however think it's a manufactured electorate. By design. I guess then we get into a chicken and the egg thing.

I thought about that in the MBF sense, but from my point of view, the Dem. base (I guess we're assuming poorer people here to equate the arguments?) will vote for somebody because they think that person will give them a chance, or some help. The Republican base will vote for somebody who they know will do nothing for them economically, but, hey, social issues and social identification (Rep. Cons.).

424 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:21:54am

re: #421 Ghost of Tom Joad

ah shaddap yer mout

425 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:22:56am

re: #334 Gus

Big Bird - Obama for America TV Ad

[Embedded content]

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426 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:23:32am
427 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:24:16am
428 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:24:49am

The one specific thing we get from Mitt is him wanting to kill PBS.
Seriously?
Republicans are silly.

429 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:26:38am

Mexico: Body of Zetas drug gang leader Lazcano stolen
The body of the leader of a Mexican drug cartel, who was killed in a shootout with marines, has been stolen by an armed gang, state officials say.

Weekend at Bernie's.

430 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:27:07am

re: #429 Gus

Mexico: Body of Zetas drug gang leader Lazcano stolen
The body of the leader of a Mexican drug cartel, who was killed in a shootout with marines, has been stolen by an armed gang, state officials say.

Weekend at Bernie's.

Grand Theft Parsons

431 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:27:58am

re: #429 Gus

Mexico: Body of Zetas drug gang leader Lazcano stolen
The body of the leader of a Mexican drug cartel, who was killed in a shootout with marines, has been stolen by an armed gang, state officials say.

Weekend at Bernie's.

Image: DreadNecromancer.jpg

432 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:28:02am

re: #415 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Don't hear that much in New England. I think it's more of a NY/NJ thing.

My dad (who was born in western PA) used to say "y'nz", which I took for a shortening of "you'uns" ("you ones").

Pittsburghese

433 Lidane  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:28:38am

re: #428 Varek Raith

The one specific thing we get from Mitt is him wanting to kill PBS.
Seriously?
Republicans are silly.

LIBRUL INDOCTRINATION CENTER JUST LIKE NPR! ELEVENTY!

Mitt is saving Real Murikans from all that ivory tower intellectualism.

///

434 Mattand  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:28:45am

re: #427 Gus

U.S. debt is at its lowest level since 2006 | bloom.bg/RtuWCW

Cue the tinfoil hats in 3... 2... 1...

435 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:31:05am

re: #429 Gus

Mexico: Body of Zetas drug gang leader Lazcano stolen
The body of the leader of a Mexican drug cartel, who was killed in a shootout with marines, has been stolen by an armed gang, state officials say.

Weekend at Bernie's.

See #376.

436 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:31:46am

So what if the GOP has members who believe in terror babies or that women who aren't pregnant get abortions or that all polls are skewed or that Obama is a muslim or that 38 warships! or that science is heresy or that you should kill kids who are rebellious or that
Ah fuck it.

DANNY GLOVER!!11!1ty.

437 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:33:42am

re: #429 Gus

Mexico: Body of Zetas drug gang leader Lazcano stolen
The body of the leader of a Mexican drug cartel, who was killed in a shootout with marines, has been stolen by an armed gang, state officials say.

Weekend at Bernie's.

I already didn't believe anything "Mexican authorities" had to say, but when they caught two guys they claimed were involved in what turned out to be a friendly fire incident, that was the capper.

438 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:34:19am

When we think times are tough, this puts in perspective how luck we really are...

Abu Stayf says he has lost his wife and six children; they were all killed when a rocket landed on his house.

Yet he refuses to leave. He sleeps in an abandoned basement on a street where rotting rubbish piles up and rubble from shelled buildings spills across the pavement.

Caught in a no-man's land between government forces and rebel fighters, he asks: "Where should I go? You'll die wherever you go. Our homes have been destroyed, our children are dead and we have no-one left."

The bakery just down the road was the target of a government attack a few weeks ago in which 20 people died, according to activists.

It was the final straw for many of the residents and most of them have now fled.

But Abu Stayf won't leave. He sits on a vinyl-covered chair with two friends while artillery shells crash in neighbouring streets; the sound and fury of gun battles breaking bouts of pregnant silence.

"We have no food, no water, no electricity. There is shelling every day, bombardment every day," he says.

439 Gus  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:34:29am

re: #437 wrenchwench

I already didn't believe anything "Mexican authorities" had to say, but when they caught two guys they claimed were involved in what turned out to be a friendly fire incident, that was the capper.

Killing a Zetas leader is like killing an AQ leader. They're replaced within minutes.

440 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:38:03am

re: #415 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Don't hear that much in New England. I think it's more of a NY/NJ thing.

My dad (who was born in western PA) used to say "y'nz", which I took for a shortening of "you'uns" ("you ones").

Y'nz watch out for that ice, it's slippy n'at.

(Another son of western Pennsylvanian.)

441 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:39:04am

re: #440 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Y'nz watch out for that ice, it's slippy n'at.

(Another son of western Pennsylvanian.)

I don't recognize that one. I do remember that the car "needed washed."

442 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:39:23am

re: #429 Gus

Mexico: Body of Zetas drug gang leader Lazcano stolen
The body of the leader of a Mexican drug cartel, who was killed in a shootout with marines, has been stolen by an armed gang, state officials say.

Weekend at Bernie's.

Or Army of Darkness...

443 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:39:47am

re: #440 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Y'nz watch out for that ice, it's slippy n'at.

(Another son of western Pennsylvanian.)

Wrap some gum-bands 'round your shoes 'n they won't be as slippy.

444 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:41:45am

re: #443 Eventual Carrion

Wrap some gum-bands 'round your shoes 'n they won't be as slippy.

Goin' down to the Gynt Igl to get some chipped-chopped before the Stiller game comes on. ;)

445 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:44:13am

re: #444 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Goin' down to the Gynt Igl to get some chipped-chopped before the Stiller game comes on. ;)

Git some Isley's sauce for them. GO STILLERS!

446 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:45:55am

re: #441 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

I don't recognize that one. I do remember that the car "needed washed."

I didn't realize that my father said "slippy" rather than "slippery" until I was exposed to a book of Pittsburghese expressions when attending college. Then I developed an ear for picking up the expressions when I heard them.

I don't speak like a western PA person, my accent is western/northern NY state due to my mother and where I attended a majority of my initial schooling. (Creek pronounced "crick", Roof as "ruh-f" instead of "roo-f", etc.)

447 darthstar  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 9:47:56am

re: #297 Interesting Times

Image: 72049_10151088621076840_803605513_n.jpg

So stealing. Thanks.

448 Mattand  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 10:10:37am

re: #447 darthstar

So stealing. Thanks.

Don't forget:

Its = the possessive form of a fucking object
It's = the fucking contraction of "It is"

449 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 9, 2012 10:17:34am

re: #428 Varek Raith

The one specific thing we get from Mitt is him wanting to kill PBS.
Seriously?
Republicans are silly.

Winning!!!!


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