Gallup’s tracking now shows that US unemployment has declined to 7.3%, which the right wing will take as more evidence of high-level liberal conspiracies.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:03:11pm |
well it is gallup, by the time they unskew that poll unemployment will be somewhere around Eleventy111!!!! percent.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:05:45pm |
I presume you mean that the US unemployment rate is 7.3%? A 92.7% unemployment rate would be rather interesting to imagine...
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mr.fusion Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:07:51pm |
LOL might want to check the headline
Although that could be serious Drudge bait if you're looking for clicks
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:11:24pm |
Yep, I fixed the typo, thanks. Copied the title of the Gallup page and didn't see that it was missing the "un".
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:12:45pm |
Romney: ‘I’ll be a pro-life president’
Posted by Rachel Weiner on October 10, 2012 at 3:58 pm
It's no longer Tuesday.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:13:53pm |
re: #6 Gus
Romney: ‘I’ll be a pro-life president’
Posted by Rachel Weiner on October 10, 2012 at 3:58 pmIt's no longer Tuesday.
But but but something something.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:15:49pm |
re: #1 HappyWarrior
Chicago tactics.///
Cooked books.///
Actually, no sarcasm there, because people like Welch are saying exactly that.
*facepalm*
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:16:22pm |
re: #6 Gus
Romney: ‘I’ll be a pro-life president’
Posted by Rachel Weiner on October 10, 2012 at 3:58 pmIt's no longer Tuesday.
If Romney looks into a mirror on Halloween and repeats the same position three times, Richard Nixon's ghost appears and clubs him with the Southern Strategy.
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:17:28pm |
Baby sat neighbors kid 6 hours last week = Part Time Employment.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:17:48pm |
This chart proves it's no conspiracy unless it has been going on for a long time.
No conspiracy here
Heck this is not as good as past months, and they were not conspiracies...
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dragonfire1981 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:17:54pm |
Interesting...a lot of stuff popping up online today about Obama's wedding ring which allegedly reads "There is No God but Allah" which is part of the Muslim declaration of faith.
If you Google "Obama allah ring" you can find more info on it.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:18:05pm |
That's all cool, but note that it's Gallup's survey methodology. IIRC, it can be compared to Gallup's earlier numbers, but not the various BLS reports.
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:19:41pm |
re: #6 Gus
Romney: ‘I’ll be a pro-life president’
Posted by Rachel Weiner on October 10, 2012 at 3:58 pmIt's no longer Tuesday.
Romney yesterday "I won't pursue any abortion legislation. Abortion isn't part of my agenda."
Romney today "I'll IMMEDIATELY cut off all funding for Planned Parenthood, and I'll IMMEDIATELY reverse Obama's position on the Mexico City accord."
When will the media grow some fucking balls and call him out for lying repeatedly? Oh, that's right never. They're too busy focusing on the "demeanor" of the candidates in the debate.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:20:44pm |
re: #13 Decatur Deb
That's all cool, but note that it's Gallup's survey methodology. IIRC, it can be compared to Gallup's earlier numbers, but not the various BLS reports.
But it certainly does corroborate and support the BLS numbers.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:21:07pm |
re: #14 JamesWI
Romney yesterday "I won't pursue any abortion legislation. Abortion isn't part of my agenda."
Romney today "I'll IMMEDIATELY cut off all funding for Planned Parenthood, and I'll IMMEDIATELY reverse Obama's position on the Mexico City accord."
When will the media grow some fucking balls and call him out for lying repeatedly? Oh, that's right never. They're too busy focusing on the "demeanor" of the candidates in the debate.
No shit. Sorry but Mitt shouldn't e allowed to claim he won't pursue abortion legislation and then say he'd reverse the Mexico City position of the WH. Media is so damn lazy.
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:21:14pm |
re: #15 Charles Johnson
But it certainly does corroborate and support the BLS numbers.
No, it just proves that Gallup, too, is in on the conspiracy.
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b_sharp Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:21:24pm |
re: #6 Gus
Romney: ‘I’ll be a pro-life president’
Posted by Rachel Weiner on October 10, 2012 at 3:58 pmIt's no longer Tuesday.
This is just evidence reality is recreated every Thursday and memories are implanted.
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krypto Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:21:27pm |
The current GOP/Fox/Tea routines for dismissing unpleasant Gallup results are:
(1) For opinion results -- "The polls are skewed" (meaning that people called at random end up including too many Obama voters - or "Democrats")
(2) For all other unwelcome Gallup results - "Holder is threatening Gallup" (referring to efforts to recover some money that Gallup had overcharged the government, and now the basis of a conspiracy theory to explain why Obama was leading in the Gallup polls).
Specifically, (1) above is based on the fact that randomly called people who answer the poll questions are currently more likely to answer the final questions of whether they consider themselves a Democrat, Republican, and if Independent, leaning toward Dem or Repub by giving one of the "Democrat" categories. It hardly shows anything other than that Republicans aren't very popular these days.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:21:31pm |
re: #14 JamesWI
Romney yesterday "I won't pursue any abortion legislation. Abortion isn't part of my agenda."
Romney today "I'll IMMEDIATELY cut off all funding for Planned Parenthood, and I'll IMMEDIATELY reverse Obama's position on the Mexico City accord."
When will the media grow some fucking balls and call him out for lying repeatedly? Oh, that's right never. They're too busy focusing on the "demeanor" of the candidates in the debate.
Glad Romney is going pro-life. It's good to stop the wars, the drones and the federal death penalty. Oh...that pro-life...
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:23:09pm |
re: #15 Charles Johnson
But it certainly does corroborate and support the BLS numbers.
Yup. Just don't want any more euphoria. Playing it like we're two points down in the fourth quarter.
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gwangung Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:23:56pm |
re: #13 Decatur Deb
That's all cool, but note that it's Gallup's survey methodology. IIRC, it can be compared to Gallup's earlier numbers, but not the various BLS reports.
Multiple methodologies giving similar results gives rise to confidence in the results.
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gwangung Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:24:48pm |
re: #21 Decatur Deb
Yup. Just don't want any more euphoria. Playing it like we're two points down in the fourth quarter.
Yeah, use it as a cudgel to whack wingnuts on the head.
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:25:02pm |
Psycho.
.@garylbauer attacks @sandrafluke over shooting of Pakistani education activist Malala Yousafzai bit.ly/TxF2qP— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) October 10, 2012
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:25:03pm |
re: #21 Decatur Deb
Yup. Just don't want any more euphoria. Playing it like we're two points down in the fourth quarter.
We're still in a position of strength. The more apt football simile, I think, would be GET THE GODDAMNED PREVENT OFF THE FIELD, THERE'S STILL SEVEN MINUTES LEFT FOR SHIT'S SAKE WHO LET NORV FUCKING TURNER INTO THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMM--
Ahem.
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danarchy Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:25:48pm |
re: #16 HappyWarrior
No shit. Sorry but Mitt shouldn't e allowed to claim he won't pursue abortion legislation and then say he'd reverse the Mexico City position of the WH. Media is so damn lazy.
that's an executive order not legislation. Plausible deniability
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:26:06pm |
re: #25 erik_t
We're still in a position of strength. The more apt football simile, I think, would be GET THE GODDAMNED PREVENT OFF THE FIELD, THERE'S STILL SEVEN MINUTES LEFT FOR SHIT'S SAKE WHO LET NORV FUCKING TURNER INTO THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMM--
Ahem.
Hoping like hell Nate Silver is right. Working like he is wrong.
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:26:51pm |
Meltdown.
I am done for today. Too many fucking morons out there who don't know shit. Boring....— buzzbissinger (@buzzbissinger) October 10, 2012
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lawhawk Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:27:33pm |
re: #13 Decatur Deb
Gallup numbers can be compared with other Gallup figures, and the trend there favors the President. The Gallup numbers also mirror the trend in the BLS U3 rate (official unemployment figure), which is also trending in favor of the President (U6 is higher than the U3, but still trending in favor of an improved economic climate).
When you get multiple polls/methods to return similar results, that increases the confidence that the numbers are accurately reflecting the economic snapshot.
If these numbers diverged or trended in opposite directions, the question would be why and which of them was under/over counting jobs.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:27:43pm |
Hasn't been this low since Dubya's last year. Hopefully Obama slaps Rmoney upside the head with it in the next debate.
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:27:43pm |
re: #28 Gus
Meltdown.
@buzzbissinger I am done for today. Too many fucking morons out there who don't know shit. Boring....
And doing his level best to prove it.
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:28:27pm |
My God, I love @buzzbissinger on Twitter. He is actually a parody account of himself. This is some Andy Kaufman shit, right here.— William K. Wolfrum (@Wolfrum) October 10, 2012
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:28:49pm |
It seems the big word for the Romney campaign now is "bipartisan":
Romney Criticizes Obama For Snubbing Wyden-Bennett Health Bill — Which Has An Individual Mandate
In a Tuesday interview with the Des Moines Register, Mitt Romney criticized President Obama for pursuing his own health reform legislation in 2009 rather than backing an existing bipartisan bill — one that also included the individual mandate to buy insurance.
The Republican nominee made the point while arguing that Obama refused to work in a bipartisan manner on the stimulus and health care reform early in his presidency.
“Senator Bennett of Utah along with Senator Wyden, Democrat of Oregon, put together a proposal — bipartisan proposal,” he told the Des Moines Register. “Brushed aside.”
Instead, he said, “Not a single Republican signed on” to Obamacare.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:29:00pm |
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:29:53pm |
re: #33 Targetpractice
Thanks again, Wyden, for handing them that soundbite. Idiot.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:30:32pm |
re: #33 Targetpractice
It seems the big word for the Romney campaign now is "bipartisan":
Romney Criticizes Obama For Snubbing Wyden-Bennett Health Bill — Which Has An Individual Mandate
Ann and Tagg Romney have both made recent statements aimed at portraying the Pres as infantile--another new meming attempt.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:31:18pm |
re: #35 erik_t
Thanks again, Wyden, for handing them that soundbite. Idiot.
There was something else Wyden signed on to that pissed me off. I think it was him. Anybody know? Was like the only Dem, and the Repubs all orgasmed about "bipartisanship." I'll have to look.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:32:58pm |
re: #33 Targetpractice
It seems the big word for the Romney campaign now is "bipartisan":
Romney Criticizes Obama For Snubbing Wyden-Bennett Health Bill — Which Has An Individual Mandate
Hit the post button too quick, decided to look into the bill that Willard's now saying totally would have had GOP support:
The Healthy Americans Act (HAA), also known as the Wyden-Bennett Act, is a Senate bill that proposes to improve health care in the United States, including the establishment of universal health care. It would transition away from employer-provided health insurance, to employer-subsidized insurance, having instead individuals choose their health care plan from state-approved private insurers. It intends to make the cost of health insurance more transparent to consumers, with the expectation being that this would increase market pressures to drive health insurance costs down. The proposal creates a system that would be paid for by both public and private contributions. It would establish Healthy Americans Private Insurance Plans (HAPIs) and require those who do not already have health insurance coverage, and who do not oppose health insurance on religious grounds, to enroll themselves and their children in a HAPI. According to its sponsors, it would guarantee universal, affordable, comprehensive, portable, high-quality, private health coverage that is as good or better than Members of Congress have today; A 2008 preliminary analysis by the Congressional Budget Office concluded it would be "essentially" self-financing in the first year that it was fully implemented.
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Joanne Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:33:42pm |
re: #32 Gus
Dude's having a mass meltdown (if you read his timeline), unless he's always like that. It's fun to read, though. :-)
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:35:09pm |
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Joanne Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:35:51pm |
re: #38 Ghost of Tom Joad
There was something else Wyden signed on to that pissed me off. I think it was him. Anybody know? Was like the only Dem, and the Repubs all orgasmed about "bipartisanship." I'll have to look.
And he walked back the whole thing. It was stupid of him to get into it because it's hardly unknown what the GOP is and has been doing for the last several years. It was only to be used as a battering ram against Obama. And Wyden walked right into it.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:36:12pm |
Good news for
apparently doesn't make any difference since obama looked beat at the debate
there are no facts, only atmospherics
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:36:25pm |
re: #20 Decatur Deb
Glad Romney is going pro-life. It's good to stop the wars, the drones and the federal death penalty. Oh...that pro-life...
RWNJs are pro-life, so long as those "lives" are in someone else's uterus.
After that, they're on their own.
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philosophus invidius Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:36:47pm |
re: #11 Daniel Ballard
This chart proves it's no conspiracy unless it has been going on for a long time.
No conspiracy hereHeck this is not as good as past months, and they were not conspiracies...
The less it seems like a conspiracy, the more of a conspiracy it really is
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Joanne Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:38:57pm |
re: #39 Targetpractice
What we need to transition away from is for-profit insurance companies who profit by denying healthcare. There should not be a market for allowing people to die. At all. This shit should have been heavily regulated since day one.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:39:00pm |
re: #42 Gus
Hamsters!
As long as they're on their wheel, no problem
BUT , once they get into your pants, a whole different story!
(and no, I'm not going to tell you how or why I know that)
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:40:06pm |
re: #48 Joanne (JustJay)
What we need to transition away from is for-profit insurance companies who profit by denying healthcare. There should not be a market for allowing people to die. At all. This shit should have been heavily regulated since day one.
This times a 1000.
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Joanne Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:40:52pm |
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dragonfire1981 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:40:57pm |
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S'latch Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:41:03pm |
Has Mitt Romney started to take credit for this yet?
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:41:48pm |
re: #53 S'latch
Has Mitt Romney started to take credit for this yet?
Right after he blames Obama for it.
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:42:43pm |
Buzz Bissinger Explains His Transformation Into Twitter’s King Of Douche-Juicing
2010
"I am an angry man, which is one of the reasons I resumed therapy and take four different pharmaceuticals. I wake up angry, stay angry during the day except to my dog and children, and go to bed angry at night." [TNR]
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Ming Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:43:26pm |
Well, I've got to admit the pop-psychology is off the scale here. But if you'll bear with me (please), I happened to see a headline at MSNBC that Obama now says he was too polite to Romney during the debate. I suddenly thought of Obama and his father. I've read parts of his excellent book, Dreams From My Father, and his longing for his absent Dad was very real. Could it be that Romney, who I think is around 15 years older than Obama, and who came on strong during the debate, triggered the President to react as he would to the father he so desperately missed having in his life?
OK, I'll stop now. But something happened a week ago in Denver, something psychological. It's not unreasonable to wonder what the heck it was.
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Joanne Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:43:45pm |
re: #52 dragonfire1981
And all the usual suspects jump on it.
Sometimes it is truly embarrassing to be American. I mean, shit, our ignorance is all over Google, picked up and regurgitated ad nauseum, for the entire world to see.
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:43:58pm |
re: #55 Gus
Buzz Bissinger Explains His Transformation Into Twitter’s King Of Douche-Juicing
Bissinger, Breitbart, Beck... anyone noticing a battern here?
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:45:15pm |
re: #58 erik_t
Bissinger, Breitbart, Beck... anyone noticing a battern here?
Hey what do you have against B's? My mother's maiden name began with that letter! Them's fighting letters! //
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Tigger2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:45:25pm |
re: #57 Joanne (JustJay)
And all the usual suspects jump on it.
Sometimes it is truly embarrassing to be American. I mean, shit, our ignorance is all over Google, picked up and regurgitated ad nauseum, for the entire world to see.
Half the country is fucking nuts. and it's not the Dem Half.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:46:01pm |
re: #48 Joanne (JustJay)
What we need to transition away from is for-profit insurance companies who profit by denying healthcare. There should not be a market for allowing people to die. At all. This shit should have been heavily regulated since day one.
You could say the same thing for most insurance companies and types. Instead of year-end profits going to shareholders and CEOs, let it go back to the people. Of course some schmo will probably rant about communism or some such stupidity.
(server needs more power Scotty)
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:46:27pm |
re: #55 Gus
Buzz Bissinger Explains His Transformation Into Twitter’s King Of Douche-Juicing
2010
This makes him famous? I can find four like that in any early-bird buffet line.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:46:49pm |
re: #58 erik_t
Bissinger, Breitbart, Beck... anyone noticing a battern here?
Oh, I dunno. Best Union organizer I ever knew was named Barnett. He made a hell of a lot of peoples lives better which more than that trio will ever be able to say. He was my FiL.
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Joanne Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:46:55pm |
re: #56 Ming
I think several things happened. I think Romney pivoting to the mild-mannered moderate, and the requisite lies (not to mention 180 degree flip-flops) threw Obama for a loop. It threw me, to be sure.
He was trying to look presidential and not call Romney the freaking liar that he is.
Obama is not an aggressive person. You rarely see him on the offensive. He is a conciliator. He wants buy-in, discussion, thoughtfulness. Romney didn't do much thinking...he did a lot of lying.
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danarchy Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:47:14pm |
re: #48 Joanne (JustJay)
What we need to transition away from is for-profit insurance companies who profit by denying healthcare. There should not be a market for allowing people to die. At all. This shit should have been heavily regulated since day one.
There are lots of non-profit health insurance companies and they don't seem to do much better than the for profit ones.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:47:15pm |
re: #56 Ming
Thanks Sigmund, we'll take it into consideration....
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dragonfire1981 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:47:21pm |
re: #57 Joanne (JustJay)
And all the usual suspects jump on it.
Sometimes it is truly embarrassing to be American. I mean, shit, our ignorance is all over Google, picked up and regurgitated ad nauseum, for the entire world to see.
I'd be curious what the real story is behind the ring.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:48:06pm |
re: #56 Ming
Well, I've got to admit the pop-psychology is off the scale here. But if you'll bear with me (please), I happened to see a headline at MSNBC that Obama now says he was too polite to Romney during the debate. I suddenly thought of Obama and his father. I've read parts of his excellent book, Dreams From My Father, and his longing for his absent Dad was very real. Could it be that Romney, who I think is around 15 years older than Obama, and who came on strong during the debate, triggered the President to react as he would to the father he so desperately missed having in his life?
OK, I'll stop now. But something happened a week ago in Denver, something psychological. It's not unreasonable to wonder what the heck it was.
progressives keep on trying to win on the facts, but republicans go directly for the emotions
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:48:07pm |
re: #68 dragonfire1981
I'd be curious what the real story is behind the ring.
Involves orcs and dragons.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:49:21pm |
re: #56 Ming
Could it be that Romney, who I think is around 15 years older than Obama, and who came on strong during the debate, triggered the President to react as he would to the father he so desperately missed having in his life
That didn't manifest itself in 2008 when he ran against McCain where there was an even larger (closer to a father/ son) age gap
But something happened a week ago in Denver, something psychological.
As you are, playing armchair phsycologist myself, I think the Obama team underestimated Romney as a debater and seeing that Obama (at the time) seemed comfortably ahead they didn't prep nearly as well as they should/ could have
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:49:42pm |
re: #68 dragonfire1981
I'd be curious what the real story is behind the ring.
Sometimes a ring is just a ring.
This story is being pushed by Jerome Corsi and Pamela Geller. That's all you need to know.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:50:16pm |
re: #70 Decatur Deb
Involves orcs and dragons.
Those pushing this story would do well to remember to
"Meddle Not In The Affairs Of Dragons For You Are Crunchy And Taste Good With Ketchup!"
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Tigger2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:51:04pm |
re: #71 sattv4u2
Could it be that Romney, who I think is around 15 years older than Obama, and who came on strong during the debate, triggered the President to react as he would to the father he so desperately missed having in his life
That didn't manifest itself in 2008 when he ran against McCain where there was an even larger (closer to a father/ son) age gapBut something happened a week ago in Denver, something psychological.
As you are, playing armchair phsycologist myself, I think the Obama team underestimated Romney as a debater and seeing that Obama (at the time)
seemed comfortably ahead they didn't prep nearly as well as they should/ could have
It's really hard to debate a compulsive liar.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:52:18pm |
re: #74 Tigger2
It's really hard to debate a compulsive liar.
Not really
"you just stated xyz, when in fact the truth is abc"
Each man had their turn to rebut anything the other stated
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Joanne Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:52:30pm |
re: #62 Ghost of Tom Joad
I think healthcare is a vastly different animal from, say, life insurance. In life insurance, they are betting you'll live while you're just hoping you won't die. But you don't NEED life insurance.
Everyone at some point in their life needs health care. And while I don't care for the mandate (give me a buy-in to Medicare or a public option because I would love to tell every for-profit insurance company to fuck off) because it is forcing people to give money to what I consider shady companies (recissions and all) and there are not enough controls on cost. So, for people who are on a cusp of making it or not, the help they get to pay for insurance may not be enough to obtain and keep insurance, and the only alternative is a fee, which still gives them no insurance.
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Joanne Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:53:00pm |
re: #66 danarchy
There are lots of non-profit health insurance companies and they don't seem to do much better than the for profit ones.
Medicare?
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Joanne Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:53:13pm |
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dragonfire1981 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:54:08pm |
re: #70 Decatur Deb
Involves orcs and dragons.
You have no idea how close I came to writing "the one ring" in that comment.
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iossarian Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:54:09pm |
re: #71 sattv4u2
Could it be that Romney, who I think is around 15 years older than Obama, and who came on strong during the debate, triggered the President to react as he would to the father he so desperately missed having in his life
That didn't manifest itself in 2008 when he ran against McCain where there was an even larger (closer to a father/ son) age gapBut something happened a week ago in Denver, something psychological.
As you are, playing armchair phsycologist myself, I think the Obama team underestimated Romney as a debater and seeing that Obama (at the time) seemed comfortably ahead they didn't prep nearly as well as they should/ could have
I still think that Obama was/is more concerned about giving too much away. Will he change his approach for the next debate? Who knows.
It's completely clear at this point that Mitt will quite literally say anything to anyone to get elected. So I guess it comes down to whether Obama thinks there's more to be gained by taking the high road, or by trying to engage in a "debate".
re: #74 Tigger2
It's really hard to debate a compulsive liar.
This is pretty much it. I mean, what do you say: "do you want me to oppose your position A, or your position not-A?"
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:54:31pm |
Spy seems to be lagging several minutes behind the New Comments.
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calochortus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:55:08pm |
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:55:17pm |
the problem as i see it with the debate wasn't romney, but the fact that obama looked like he was being scolded the whole time, and also, into the bargain, was halting and the opposite of succinct and to the point when he responded
the whole thing reminds me of reagan's performance in the first debate in 1984
my theory has always been that presidential elections aren't won, they're lost
mitt was doing an excellent job of losing the election until the debate, and then obama took up the baton
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philosophus invidius Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:55:19pm |
Cool new release from the good Beck:
A remix of Phillip Glass music:
Enjoying working to this music right now.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:56:11pm |
re: #75 sattv4u2
Not really
"you just stated xyz, when in fact the truth is abc"
Each man had their turn to rebut anything the other stated
no, actually, that doesn't work when debating a liar
they just complain that you're a sore loser
debates aren't about facts, they're about atmospherics
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:56:39pm |
re: #76 Joanne (JustJay)
I think healthcare is a vastly different animal from, say, life insurance. In life insurance, they are betting you'll live while you're just hoping you won't die. But you don't NEED life insurance.
To dust off my super-sweet Econ 101 memories, the price elasticity of demand of health care is infinite. Finite-valued functions have a nasty tendency to spit out meaningless gobbldygook when you feed them non-finite inputs.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:57:07pm |
re: #85 engineer cat
no, actually, that doesn't work when debating a liar
they just complain that you're a sore loser
debates aren't about facts, they're about atmospherics
They're actually doing that. Mrs. Romney claimed that Obama calling Romney out for lying was "bad sportsmanship."
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:58:09pm |
re: #80 iossarian
I still think that Obama was/is more concerned about giving too much away.
Meaning?
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:58:27pm |
if obama had been the usual obama at denver, it wouldn't have mattered very much that mitt was the way he was - it would have been a draw
it makes me wonder if somebody didn't put a sedative in obama's drink before the debate
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Tigger2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:58:51pm |
re: #87 HappyWarrior
They're actually doing that. Mrs. Romney claimed that Obama calling Romney out for lying was "bad sportsmanship."
I really have no respect for Romney or his wife.
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:58:56pm |
re: #85 engineer cat
debates aren't about facts
This is it in a nutshell. Debates are about policy, about how two rational sides can have a thoughtful back-and-forth discussion in an attempt to convince each other that their plan is the better one.
You can't convince facts, and you can't have a thoughtful discussion when the basic premise is contested.
By the way, Lehrer, that was your fucking job.
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Joanne Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:59:04pm |
re: #86 erik_t
To dust off my super-sweet Econ 101 memories, the price elasticity of demand of health care is infinite. Finite-valued functions have a nasty tendency to spit out meaningless gobbldygook when you feed them non-finite inputs.
That was most excellent.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:59:06pm |
re: #87 HappyWarrior
They're actually doing that. Mrs. Romney claimed that Obama calling Romney out for lying was "bad sportsmanship."
exactly. the next stage is all about whether obama can come up with the right attitude to counteract that
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:59:24pm |
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iossarian Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:59:59pm |
re: #88 sattv4u2
I still think that Obama was/is more concerned about giving too much away.
Meaning?
Meaning the right is dying to be able to dust off the "uppity black man" meme. I think Obama was concerned to not give anything away in the first debate that might be used against him in a direct way. Of course, being very neutral (or muted, if you prefer) has its own downside as we have seen.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:00:01pm |
re: #90 Tigger2
I really have no respect for Romney or his wife.
As my dad always said, respect is earned.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:00:08pm |
re: #91 erik_t
This is it in a nutshell. Debates are about policy, about how two rational sides can have a thoughtful back-and-forth discussion in an attempt to convince each other that their plan is the better one.
You can't convince facts, and you can't have a thoughtful discussion when the basic premise is contested.
By the way, Lehrer, that was your fucking job.
lehrer was transparently a republican shill at the debate
"mr romney, why don't you tell the president why he was wrong"
fuck that shit!
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:00:27pm |
re: #94 Decatur Deb
Nice
horse, tax write-off though.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:00:43pm |
re: #85 engineer cat
no, actually, that doesn't work when debating a liar
they just complain that you're a sore loser
debates aren't about facts, they're about atmospherics
Again, actually it does as long as the debate isn't in a vacuum, meaning there are witnesses beyond the two debaters
re: #95 iossarian
Thanks
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Tigger2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:01:12pm |
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:01:46pm |
re: #97 engineer cat
He might as well have said "put that %&$@#! in his place!"
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:01:55pm |
re: #90 Tigger2
I really have no respect for Romney or his wife.
I'm sure they're devastated by that revelation!!
//
ALTERNATE comeback
They always speak highly of you!!
//
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:02:05pm |
re: #91 erik_t
This is it in a nutshell. Debates are about policy, about how two rational sides can have a thoughtful back-and-forth discussion in an attempt to convince each other that their plan is the better one.
You can't convince facts, and you can't have a thoughtful discussion when the basic premise is contested.
By the way, Lehrer, that was your fucking job.
No shit, when I heard him say that he'd chosen the questions himself, I had a cold chill down my back. If I'd wanted to hear a 90 minute Romney infomercial, I'd have just pulled up all the shit his campaign's got posted to Youtube. I didn't need to sit there and have a "moderator" let Romney dictate the course of the debate.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:02:12pm |
re: #90 Tigger2
I really have no respect for Romney or his wife.
anne is functioning as a Trained Attack Wife
i can't remember - did michelle do that?
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kirkspencer Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:02:34pm |
re: #75 sattv4u2
Not really
"you just stated xyz, when in fact the truth is abc"
Each man had their turn to rebut anything the other stated
Except Obama did that and Romney ignored it. Just kept right on talking as though none of his points had been challenged, much less refuted.
So yes, I think the big challenge for Obama is making the lying obvious without becoming the "angry black man."
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:02:51pm |
re: #100 Tigger2
If it could talk it would probably be an ass. lol
Now, I am sure it's a nice horse. But really, I was willing to give Ann a chance especially after I've seen how Michelle is treated. And while I don't hate her, I find her "Let's feel bad for Mitt because he's running only out of the goodness of his heart" rhetoric attitude very patronizing.
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:03:41pm |
re: #104 engineer cat
I think it's obvious Michelle genuinely gives a shit about people.
I think Ann Romney genuinely likes to shit on people.
(Metaphorically speaking, of course.)
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:04:58pm |
re: #104 engineer cat
anne is functioning as a Trained Attack Wife
i can't remember - did michelle do that?
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Talking about if Michelle would back Hillary if Clinton beat Obama for the nomination
But when a television interviewer asked Mrs. Obama last week whether she would support Mrs. Clinton, if she won the nomination, Mrs. Obama was less generous.
“I’d have to think about that,” Mrs. Obama said on “Good Morning America” on ABC. “I’d have to think about — policies, her approach, her tone.”
Outspoken, strong-willed, funny, gutsy and sometimes sarcastic, Michelle Obama is playing a pivotal role in her husband’s campaign
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iossarian Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:05:02pm |
re: #105 kirkspencer
So yes, I think the big challenge for Obama is making the lying obvious without becoming the "angry black man."
This, indeed, is the challenge. It's frustrating when all Romney has to do is mouth self-contradicting bullshit and supposedly critical press-people just nod their heads and say he's being "forceful". One can only hope that enough people can actually think for themselves* and see through the nonsense.
* A slim hope, but it's there.
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Joanne Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:05:39pm |
re: #104 engineer cat
anne is functioning as a Trained Attack Wife
i can't remember - did michelle do that?
That makes her fair game as the proud mom and wife of a collection of obstinate liars. All that 'quit picking on Ann' bullshit goes out the window when you're a surrogate.
OH, but Michelle and her quest to tell you what to eat...!!
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:06:35pm |
re: #108 sattv4u2
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Talking about if Michelle would back Hillary if Clinton beat Obama for the nomination
But when a television interviewer asked Mrs. Obama last week whether she would support Mrs. Clinton, if she won the nomination, Mrs. Obama was less generous.
“I’d have to think about that,” Mrs. Obama said on “Good Morning America” on ABC. “I’d have to think about — policies, her approach, her tone.”
Outspoken, strong-willed, funny, gutsy and sometimes sarcastic, Michelle Obama is playing a pivotal role in her husband’s campaign
Mine is more of an 'attack wife' ordering unsweet tea.
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BongCrodny Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:06:46pm |
Paradise
"When I was a child my family would travel
Down to Western Kentucky where my parents were born
And there's a backwards old town that's often remembered
So many times that my memories are worn.
"And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County
Down by the Green River where Paradise lay
Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking
Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away
"Well, sometimes we'd travel right down the Green River
To the abandoned old prison down by Airdrie Hill
Where the air smelled like snakes and we'd shoot with our pistols
But empty pop bottles was all we would kill.
"And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County
Down by the Green River where Paradise lay
Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking
Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away
"Then the coal company came with the world's largest shovel
And they tortured the timber and stripped all the land
Well, they dug for their coal till the land was forsaken
Then they wrote it all down as the progress of man.
"And daddy won't you take me back to Muhlenberg County
Down by the Green River where Paradise lay
Well, I'm sorry my son, but you're too late in asking
Mister Peabody's coal train has hauled it away."
Happy 66th birthday, John Prine.
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:07:14pm |
re: #91 erik_t
By the way, Lehrer, that was your fucking job.
Because this continues to piss me off, Lehrer, the sign of a good moderator is not that he's invisible during a debate. The sign of a good moderator is that he ensures that the debate is conducted in an honest and worthwhile manner. The sign of a good debate might be that the moderator is not heard from very often, but that reflects the conduct of the least decent debater involved -- it's his or her fault if you have to speak up, not yours.
You know what we call someone who's invisible during a debate? The audience.
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Joanne Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:07:24pm |
re: #106 HappyWarrior
I find almost everything that comes out of Ann's mouth either patronizing or entitled. Her Leno appearance was weird (from the black leather outfit to her Mitt is So Cheap story). It made both of them look bad.
I used to be neutral about her. Not any longer.
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:07:44pm |
Haha, people on Twitter are going through Buzz Bissinger's tweets from earlier this year, savaging Romney:
Romney's problem isn't only Jews. Probably thinks that blacks come out of the womb with a basketball. Admit Rom--rich spoiled brat.
— buzzbissinger (@buzzbissinger) June 20, 2012
@johnramblered So it was cool for Romney when in prep school to lead attack on gay student because he didn't like hair. Agg Assault.
— buzzbissinger (@buzzbissinger) June 20, 2012
Gee, I wonder how Ann Romney's horse prancing around like total moronasaurus is doing in the Olympics? Excellent working middle class hobby.
— buzzbissinger (@buzzbissinger) June 20, 2012
I think Grover Norquist should be Republican candidate. Or the guy who protests Military funerals. In line with republican thinking.
— buzzbissinger (@buzzbissinger) June 20, 2012
Twitter just told me to follow Mitt Romney? What for? I already have an inflatable doll that says nothing.
— buzzbissinger (@buzzbissinger) November 29, 2011
"But hey, Obama had a mediocre debate, so forget about all that!"
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:09:53pm |
re: #113 erik_t
Because this continues to piss me off, Lehrer, the sign of a good moderator is not that he's invisible during a debate. The sign of a good moderator is that he ensures that the debate is conducted in an honest and worthwhile manner. The sign of a good debate might be that the moderator is not heard from very often, but that reflects the conduct of the least decent debater involved -- it's his or her fault if you have to speak up, not yours.
You know what we call someone who's invisible during a debate? The audience.
Yeah, that's another thing, the silent audience bit. We got some of the best examples of how low the GOP is earlier this year when you had their audiences cheering on allowing the uninsured die, booing a gay soldier, and cheering on naked racism from Newt.
I think if Obama had been playing to audience reaction, he'd have felt more comfortable going on the attack than playing to a silent room.
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Joanne Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:09:55pm |
re: #113 erik_t
Because this continues to piss me off, Lehrer, the sign of a good moderator is not that he's invisible during a debate. The sign of a good moderator is that he ensures that the debate is conducted in an honest and worthwhile manner. The sign of a good debate might be that the moderator is not heard from very often, but that reflects the conduct of the least decent debater involved -- it's his or her fault if you have to speak up, not yours.
You know what we call someone who's invisible during a debate? The audience.
Exactly!!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:10:00pm |
re: #111 Decatur Deb
Mine is more of an 'attack wife' ordering unsweet tea.
Mine is more of a badger
She actually had this convo with an elderly gent when we 1st moved south
He,,, "Do you know why God gave you two ears and one mouth? So you'll listen twice as much as you talk"
Her response,,, "Oh, I thought it was for when I chew one of your ears off talking, I can start on the other"
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Tigger2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:10:06pm |
re: #110 Joanne (JustJay)
That makes her fair game as the proud mom and wife of a collection of obstinate liars. All that 'quit picking on Ann' bullshit goes out the window when you're a surrogate.
OH, but Michelle and her quest to tell you what to eat...!!
I wish I had ate more like Michelle is advocating when I was younger then my arteries might not look like rivers with damns in them.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:11:41pm |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:12:20pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:13:06pm |
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:13:43pm |
re: #114 Joanne (JustJay)
I find almost everything that comes out of Ann's mouth either patronizing or entitled. Her Leno appearance was weird (from the black leather outfit to her Mitt is So Cheap story). It made both of them look bad.
I used to be neutral about her. Not any longer.
It's like she actually wants us to believe that Mitt is this truly concerned guy and we should ignore everything we've heard and and know about him. I get it, she loves her husband, and that's great but stop treating us like we're children who aren't smart enough to make up our mind about your husband. I didn't get that vibe with Laura Bush by the way. So it's really not a partisan thing but a vibe.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:14:07pm |
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:14:30pm |
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Tigger2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:14:48pm |
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:15:06pm |
re: #124 HappyWarrior
Only H.W.'s old-man-yells-at-cloud statement against atheists led me to ever think ill of any of the Bush clan in a personal way. Not a single Romney is a tenth as clean by comparison.
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:15:30pm |
re: #127 Tigger2
I must be missing something lol, I was talking about fruits and vegetables.
Server fart... hamsters!
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:17:26pm |
I'm trying to track down what's causing the Spy to get hung up. I think I may have found it. Stand by.
| 131 |
wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:18:24pm |
re: #126 HappyWarrior
Crap, my kid brother's going to be pissed. We recently became a Hamster family. They are cute I will admit. Better pet than my middle brother's snake.
Keep them apart!
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:19:12pm |
re: #131 wrenchwench
Keep them apart!
Oh middle bro got rid of his snake when we moved out here five years back. The dog I think actually sees the hamster as a wonder more than anything.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:19:16pm |
re: #130 Charles Johnson
I'm trying to track down what's causing the Spy to get hung up. I think I may have found it. Stand by.
Seems to run while at the top tab, needs a page reload when it's not the active tab.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:19:38pm |
re: #119 Tigger2
I wish I had ate more like Michelle is advocating when I was younger then my arteries might not look like rivers with damns in them.
re: #120 Gus
Hamsters.
re: #121 wrenchwench
re: #120 Gus
Michelle says to eat hamsters?
Just do 'em up using the patented Huckabee method: in a popcorn popper. Makes 'em lower in fat, crispy, and delicious.
///
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:19:52pm |
re: #116 Targetpractice
I think if Obama had been playing to audience reaction, he'd have felt more comfortable going on the attack than playing to a silent room.
Debates oughtn't be the venue for 'going on the attack', but I know I'm at least fifty years late to be complaining about that one. Maybe five hundred.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:20:12pm |
re: #130 Charles Johnson
I'm trying to track down what's causing the Spy to get hung up. I think I may have found it. Stand by.
Wait for it...
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:20:22pm |
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iossarian Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:20:36pm |
Charles, if you're in the mood for more site improvements, I must say that the diary-preview-hover thing at DKos is pretty spiffy.
Suggestions box?
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palomino Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:20:45pm |
re: #85 engineer cat
no, actually, that doesn't work when debating a liar
they just complain that you're a sore loser
debates aren't about facts, they're about atmospherics
Very true. It's not like anyone is arguing that Romney won the debate due to a zinger or that Obama made a terrible gaffe. Rather it was the theatrical element--Debate 101--where Obama inexplicably didn't show up: looking down, not looking at the right camera, being passive rather than forceful, nodding when Romney criticized him, etc. Body language is half the show, since low info voters don't really understand the issues anyway.
| 142 |
MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:21:19pm |
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Joanne Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:22:31pm |
re: #124 HappyWarrior
It's like she actually wants us to believe that Mitt is this truly concerned guy and we should ignore everything we've heard and and know about him. I get it, she loves her husband, and that's great but stop treating us like we're children who aren't smart enough to make up our mind about your husband. I didn't get that vibe with Laura Bush by the way. So it's really not a partisan thing but a vibe.
You're right. Laura Bush never came off as unappealing as Mrs. Romney always does.
I think she may actually believe his bullshit. Which would make her far dumber than I previously thought.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:22:37pm |
re: #143 Gus
Uh oh. Lots of down dinging is forecast for this afternoon.
What, OWS do something again?
//
| 146 |
Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:22:46pm |
The chill of Autumn has dropped local daytime highs to the low 80's; yup, winter's a-coming.
And how's every little thing for everyone today?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:22:51pm |
re: #139 palomino
Very true. It's not like anyone is arguing that Romney won the debate due to a zinger or that Obama made a terrible gaffe. Rather it was the theatrical element--Debate 101--where Obama inexplicably didn't show up: looking down, not looking at the right camera, being passive rather than forceful, nodding when Romney criticized him, etc. Body language is half the show, since low info voters don't really understand the issues anyway.
Funny. Was listening, but not watching, while we live-blogged here. It didn't seem a catastrophe then.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:23:14pm |
re: #143 Gus
Uh oh. Lots of down dinging is forecast for this afternoon.
Snake and hamster haters out and about?
| 150 |
Targetpractice Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:23:26pm |
re: #146 Guanxi88
The chill of Autumn has dropped local daytime highs to the low 80's; yup, winter's a-coming.
And how's every little thing for everyone today?
Tomorrow's high here? 62 degrees.
The Ice Man cometh!
| 151 |
erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:23:41pm |
re: #146 Guanxi88
The chill of Autumn has dropped local daytime highs to the low 80's; yup, winter's a-coming.
And how's every little thing for everyone today?
Pfft. I'm excited for rainy 40s. Sounds like great weather to stand and watch football for four hours, right?
I should make a will.
| 152 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:24:01pm |
| 153 |
Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:24:08pm |
re: #151 erik_t
Pack a smallish flask. For medicinal purposes.
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iossarian Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:24:33pm |
re: #144 Joanne (JustJay)
You're right. Laura Bush never came off as unappealing as Mrs. Romney always does.
I think she may actually believe his bullshit. Which would make her far dumber than I previously thought.
I think that she may, in the past, have been able to convince herself that they weren't actually all that privileged as a couple, that they really did live "just like other people", face similar challenges, etc. etc.
Must be hard to come to realize that you've had every single thing handed to you on a silver dish, if you want to believe otherwise.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:24:35pm |
re: #146 Guanxi88
The chill of Autumn has dropped local daytime highs to the low 80's; yup, winter's a-coming.
And how's every little thing for everyone today?
Well, I can't speak for others, but as for my "little thing", it votes PRESENT!
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:25:07pm |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:25:20pm |
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:26:02pm |
re: #156 Decatur Deb
Beginning of the good time of year here in Baja Alabama.
Not here. Hard to wear my fleece and rain jacket to the playoff game Sunday night in Baltmore. Not that it wasn't a blast but I hate the wet and cold so much.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:26:02pm |
re: #157 sattv4u2
Well, if you're going that route, you can probably afford to haul along a bit more, couldn't you?
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:26:10pm |
re: #155 sattv4u2
Well, I can't speak for others, but as for my "little thing", it votes PRESENT!
Hey now, keep that in your pants!
//
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:26:20pm |
re: #146 Guanxi88
The chill of Autumn has dropped local daytime highs to the low 80's; yup, winter's a-coming.
And how's every little thing for everyone today?
When I lived in Austin, you had to be careful not to have a Halloween costume for your kids that was too warm.
| 164 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:26:47pm |
re: #160 Targetpractice
Hey now, keep that in your pants!
//
What are these "pants" of which you speak?
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:27:05pm |
re: #161 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Yup. Absolutely so. And, go but a scant 50 miles south, and it gets worse, still.
At least I'm not down in the valley - those poor folks never seem to see a da under 90.
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:27:47pm |
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calochortus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:28:15pm |
re: #147 Decatur Deb
Funny. Was listening, but not watching, while we live-blogged here. It didn't seem a catastrophe then.
My brother had exactly the same reaction. A lot of the 'win' was just body language.
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Joanne Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:28:30pm |
re: #154 iossarian
What infuriates me the most is that she was (and is) sick yet there is ZERO concern for people like her. She gets care like the 1%, meaning insurance is an option, not a necessity. They could go in and get the latest, greatest treatments and pay for it with money lost in the sofa cushion. Someone else with her illnesses is just doomed. A genetic disease and cancer would make a normal person uninsurable. And there is no concern, no compassion, no nothing for people who suffer as she has. No, they are not like the rest of us. Not even close.
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Targetpractice Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:28:47pm |
re: #164 sattv4u2
What are these "pants" of which you speak?
We have a strict "No kilts" dress code here.
//
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:28:49pm |
re: #167 erik_t
Or, as was once my wont, two or more flasks.
One for 'company,' one for me, and one for that charming young lady over there....
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:29:28pm |
re: #170 Targetpractice
We have a strict "No kilts" dress code here.
//
You were just scratched off of Jimmahs Christmas Card list
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:29:36pm |
re: #170 Targetpractice
We have a strict "No kilts" dress code here.
//
Fucking Scots and their man skirts.
| 174 |
Joanne Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:29:48pm |
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blueraven Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:29:49pm |
re: #56 Ming
Well, I've got to admit the pop-psychology is off the scale here. But if you'll bear with me (please), I happened to see a headline at MSNBC that Obama now says he was too polite to Romney during the debate. I suddenly thought of Obama and his father. I've read parts of his excellent book, Dreams From My Father, and his longing for his absent Dad was very real. Could it be that Romney, who I think is around 15 years older than Obama, and who came on strong during the debate, triggered the President to react as he would to the father he so desperately missed having in his life?
OK, I'll stop now. But something happened a week ago in Denver, something psychological. It's not unreasonable to wonder what the heck it was.
Im sorry, but I aint buying all this psychobabble BS.
He had an off night at a bad time. Get over it.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:30:09pm |
re: #173 HappyWarrior
"Little Ladies from Hell," as the Kaiser's men once called them.
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:30:23pm |
re: #171 Guanxi88
Or, as was once my wont, two or more flasks.
One for 'company,' one for me, and one for that charming young lady over there....
If I were a Romney, I would solemnly swear I was never ejected from a sporting event for something like this.
It's sort of a choose-your-own-adventure collapse of the wave function, I admit...
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:30:34pm |
Anti-trust case against insurance companies in Kentucky. Will probably get quashed, but we'll probably see more of these.
[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]
Oh for a Teddy Roosevelt.
| 179 |
Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:31:32pm |
I believe that stalling problem with the Spy is now fixed.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:31:33pm |
re: #177 erik_t
Well, Mitt's an LDS'er, so it'd be bound to make temple awkward were he to suffer such a reversal of fortune.
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Tigger2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:31:49pm |
re: #175 blueraven
Im sorry, but I aint buying all this psychobabble BS.
He had an off night at a bad time. Get over it.
It's hard to prep for a debate and when it starts you find you're debating someone else you didn't prep for.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:32:37pm |
re: #169 Joanne (JustJay)
What infuriates me the most is that she was (and is) sick yet there is ZERO concern for people like her. She gets care like the 1%, meaning insurance is an option, not a necessity. They could go in and get the latest, greatest treatments and pay for it with money lost in the sofa cushion. Someone else with her illnesses is just doomed. A genetic disease and cancer would make a normal person uninsurable. And there is no concern, no compassion, no nothing for people who suffer as she has. No, they are not like the rest of us. Not even close.
I really think you underscored it better than I can. There never seems to be any self-awareness to her fortunate background. So, when they try to use her to humanize him and the family by having her talk about how difficult it was raising her sons, it just comes off as very shallow. Not saying she sat on her ass all day and had an easy go at it but she had it a lot better than 99% of the population does and it would be nice if she showed some humility and realization that her husband is loaded. So when she says she doesn't consider herself that rich, yeah it pisses me off because this woman and her family have had advantages that most families would dream to have.
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Obdicut Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:32:58pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:33:09pm |
re: #147 Decatur Deb
Funny. Was listening, but not watching, while we live-blogged here. It didn't seem a catastrophe then.
I still don't think that the president's performance was a catastrophe, but it could've been better. Considering that he was up against an opponent whose stated positions shifted faster than quicksand and had a moderator that couldn't control the debate worth a shit, I'm surprised it went half as well.
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:33:19pm |
re: #162 JamesWI
[Link: roboromney.com...]
A moderate, a liberal, and a conservative walk into a bar. The bartender says, "Hello Mitt." (S Chapman) #p2 #tlot #Obama #ObamaBiden2012— Gus (@Gus_802) October 10, 2012
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:34:01pm |
re: #179 Charles Johnson
I believe that stalling problem with the Spy is now fixed.
Seems to be. Thanks.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:34:27pm |
Ha!
Having 9-year-old answer robo-poll questions. This is why they invented the margin of error.— pastordan (@pastordan) October 10, 2012
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:35:09pm |
re: #108 sattv4u2
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Talking about if Michelle would back Hillary if Clinton beat Obama for the nomination
But when a television interviewer asked Mrs. Obama last week whether she would support Mrs. Clinton, if she won the nomination, Mrs. Obama was less generous.
“I’d have to think about that,” Mrs. Obama said on “Good Morning America” on ABC. “I’d have to think about — policies, her approach, her tone.”
Outspoken, strong-willed, funny, gutsy and sometimes sarcastic, Michelle Obama is playing a pivotal role in her husband’s campaign
"i'd have to think about it" vs anne's comparing the president to a spoiled child
“I mean, lied about what?” [Anne] Romney said to host Martha MacCallum. “This is something he’s been saying all along. This is what he believes. This is his policy, these are his statements. I mean, lie, it’s sort of like someone that’s, you know, in the sandbox that like lost the game and they’re just going to kick sand in someone’s face and say, ‘you liar.’ I mean, it’s like they lost, and so now they just are going to say, okay, the game, we didn’t like the game.
so i'd have to say, no, michelle doesn't attack the same way
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:35:21pm |
re: #185 MittDoesNotCompute
I still don't think that the president's performance was a catastrophe, but it could've been better. Considering that he was up against an opponent whose stated positions shifted faster than quicksand and had a moderator that couldn't control the debate worth a shit, I'm surprised it went half as well.
Hard to believe he didn't slip a quiet reference to Romney's tax rate and close-hold returns.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:36:42pm |
re: #189 engineer cat
"i'd have to think about it" vs anne's comparing the president to a spoiled child
“I mean, lied about what?” [Anne] Romney said to host Martha MacCallum. “This is something he’s been saying all along. This is what he believes. This is his policy, these are his statements. I mean, lie, it’s sort of like someone that’s, you know, in the sandbox that like lost the game and they’re just going to kick sand in someone’s face and say, ‘you liar.’ I mean, it’s like they lost, and so now they just are going to say, okay, the game, we didn’t like the game.
so i'd have to say, no, michelle doesn't attack the same way
"Sandbox" is the third recent infantilizing reference.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:37:14pm |
re: #189 engineer cat
"i'd have to think about it" vs anne's comparing the president to a spoiled child
“I mean, lied about what?” [Anne] Romney said to host Martha MacCallum. “This is something he’s been saying all along. This is what he believes. This is his policy, these are his statements. I mean, lie, it’s sort of like someone that’s, you know, in the sandbox that like lost the game and they’re just going to kick sand in someone’s face and say, ‘you liar.’ I mean, it’s like they lost, and so now they just are going to say, okay, the game, we didn’t like the game.
so i'd have to say, no, michelle doesn't attack the same way
It's also rich considering that her fucking husband accuses Obama of lying all the time. That family, no respect for them, zlitch because they play this pathetic passive aggressive bullshit game where the rules are reserved for everyone but them.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:37:40pm |
re: #126 HappyWarrior
Crap, my kid brother's going to be pissed. We recently became a Hamster family. They are cute I will admit. Better pet than my middle brother's snake.
Unless you like ribs.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:37:43pm |
Know whats depressing
KNOWING you have two parts in the house somewhere you need for to address a plumbing issue, not being able to find them
Trekking to Big Box hardware and buying said pieces new. Coming home and less than 24 hours after flawlessly installing the new pieces, finding the old (still very adequate) ones!!
{mumble,,, grumble mumble grumble}
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:37:45pm |
re: #189 engineer cat
Um, holy shit. It's astonishing this women hasn't gotten in fifty shriek-and-throw-heels catfights by her age.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:37:48pm |
re: #188 darthstar
Having 9-year-old answer robo-poll questions. This is why they invented the margin of error.— pastordan (@pastordan) October 10, 2012
Follow up tweet
...And the little jerk just voted for Obama and Tommy Thompson. This guarantees a flood of new calls.— pastordan (@pastordan) October 10, 2012
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:37:53pm |
Once more, we find ourselves debating and dissecting minutiae even as things slide ever closer to the edge of the abyss.
The brakes are shot, the transmission won't shift, we've sheared off three of four motor-mounts, and the radiator's sprung a leak.
And we're debating whether to get the spinner rims or the lighted ones.
It's amusing, all the same, though.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:38:52pm |
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The Mongoose Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:40:35pm |
re: #190 Decatur Deb
Hard to believe he didn't slip a quiet reference to Romney's tax rate and close-hold returns.
I think that's being deliberately avoided for 2 reasons.
First, it just doesn't sound right for the President of the United States to be going after someone, even Mitt Romney, on a personal level about their financial status. It's something that can be attacked effectively through a lot of campaign avenues, but it has the potential to look really cheap on a debate stage.
Second, Romney's response is going to be something to the effect of "Mr. President, I've paid more than you in taxes every year of our lives." Obama is worth $12 million or so, making this a potentially wounding one-liner (even if its flaws are obvious).
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blueraven Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:41:13pm |
re: #181 Tigger2
It's hard to prep for a debate and when it starts you find you're debating someone else you didn't prep for.
Well they should have known. Romney has done this all throughout his political career.
They fucked up...and I want the democrats to stop making excuses and move forward.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:41:27pm |
re: #99 sattv4u2
Again, actually it does as long as the debate isn't in a vacuum, meaning there are witnesses beyond the two debaters
re: #95 iossarian
Thanks
fox news watchers watch fox news, who repeat the same lies, and rush limbaugh listeners listen to rush limbaugh, who repeats the same lies and adds a number of his own
who would these 'witnesses' be?
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Kragar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:41:46pm |
Harry Jackson: A Vote for Obama Invites Divine Vengeance on America
Listen to me Black Christian. You are foolish enough to vote against the God that brought you out of slavery, the God that brought you out of the civil rights thing. Just because somebody’s skin is black, you’re gonna support an anti-God, anti-Gospel agenda -- no wonder you can’t get a job. If you celebrate your race over grace you ought to do badly. God is spanking you right now. And I got news, you heard it right here, the folks that sign onto this now and support the president right now in this will find that their best days are behind them….Four more years of Barack Obama will ensure an aggressive anti-Christian spirit that has currently grabbed hold of the administration and this country. Beware my Christian friend, you should not vote for Barack Obama
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:42:01pm |
So, I'm mulling over house options for the new Guanxi88 GHQ.
I'm really leaning toward this whole earthbag thing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthbag_construction
High thermal mass, low-cost, and, best of all, with my little patch of dirt lying outside city limits, not subject to municipal codes. There are a few such places built here already.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:42:32pm |
re: #199 The Mongoose
I think that's being deliberately avoided for 2 reasons.
First, it just doesn't sound right for the President of the United States to be going after someone, even Mitt Romney, on a personal level about their financial status. It's something that can be attacked effectively through a lot of campaign avenues, but it has the potential to look really cheap on a debate stage.
Second, Romney's response is going to be something to the effect of "Mr. President, I've paid more than you in taxes every year of our lives." Obama is worth $12 million or so, making this a potentially wounding one-liner (even if its flaws are obvious).
Got this ugly worry that America's last best hope for the next 4 years could turn out be Harry Reid.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:43:20pm |
re: #204 Joanne (JustJay)
What is spy mode?
It means that right now drones are circling your house, watching what other websites you are on.
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blueraven Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:43:47pm |
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The Mongoose Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:43:57pm |
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Joanne Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:44:10pm |
re: #206 Mostly sane, most of the time.
It means that right now drones are circling your house, watching what other websites you are on.
I'm in Canada, eh? I think I am safe. For now. ;-)
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:45:03pm |
re: #203 Guanxi88
So, I'm mulling over house options for the new Guanxi88 GHQ.
I'm really leaning toward this whole earthbag thing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthbag_construction
High thermal mass, low-cost, and, best of all, with my little patch of dirt lying outside city limits, not subject to municipal codes. There are a few such places built here already.
Same spirit, Earthships:
[Link: taosearthships.com...]
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Joanne Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:45:30pm |
re: #208 The Mongoose
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Enjoy!
I clicked on it earlier and saw that...but I don't get what it's for. Am I just stupid?
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:45:38pm |
re: #194 sattv4u2
This is why I have storage bins for such things as electrical, plumbing, computer parts, etc. Makes it real easy to find things when you need them.
Of course, you have to remember to put/return said items in/to the bin. Because if you don't, they then seem to develop legs and mysteriously vanish when you actually need them. Tools also seem to have this mystical ability as well.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:46:02pm |
re: #211 Decatur Deb
Looked at those. Those tires weigh 300 pounds or so each. Way too much effort.
Plus, I hate the idea of having stacks of tires sitting around while I get to work on the walls. Mosquito motels.
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The Mongoose Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:46:16pm |
re: #213 Joanne (JustJay)
I clicked on it earlier and saw that...but I don't get what it's for. Am I just stupid?
It's a live update of all activity on the site...comments (on all threads), page posts, stuff like that. It's a neat feature driven by the rather advanced way in which LGF is coded.
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Joanne Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:46:41pm |
re: #216 The Mongoose
It's a live update of all activity on the site...comments (on all threads), page posts, stuff like that.
AH! Got it. Thanks!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:46:44pm |
re: #203 Guanxi88
So, I'm mulling over house options for the new Guanxi88 GHQ.
I'm really leaning toward this whole earthbag thing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthbag_construction
High thermal mass, low-cost, and, best of all, with my little patch of dirt lying outside city limits, not subject to municipal codes. There are a few such places built here already.
Talk to other owners or a real estate agent. You might be able to build the place but you might not be allowed to sell it later. That might not be such a big deal if the county will let you sell the land with the structure in tact but some counties may make you destroy the structure before you sell the land.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:47:01pm |
re: #200 blueraven
Well they should have known. He has done this all his political career.
They fucked up...and I want the democrats to stop making excuses and move forward.
The presidency is all about contingencies; I agree that, if he didn't, President Obama should have practiced this sort of scenario with Kerry.
However, all of the debate prep in the world isn't worth two shits when your opponent is lying shamelessly and effortlessly through their fucking teeth so fast that you have no way to effectively rebut them without coming off like a whiner.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:47:21pm |
re: #215 Guanxi88
Looked at those. Those tires weigh 300 pounds or so each. Way too much effort.
Plus, I hate the idea of having stacks of tires sitting around while I get to work on the walls. Mosquito motels.
Definitely high-sweat/low-cost.
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Tigger2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:47:39pm |
re: #200 blueraven
Well they should have known. Romney has done this all throughout his political career.
They fucked up...and I want the democrats to stop making excuses and move forward.
That's not an excuse that's the truth whether you like it or not.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:47:48pm |
re: #202 Kragar
Harry Jackson: A Vote for Obama Invites Divine Vengeance on America
Who in the fuck is this condescending choad?
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:48:00pm |
re: #218 Killgore Trout
I've considered that side of it, too.
Worst case scenario - I can't sell the place as a dwelling.
In which case, they can buy 5 acres of agricultural land with a really elaborate chicken coop on it.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:48:15pm |
re: #201 engineer cat
fox news watchers watch fox news, who repeat the same lies, and rush limbaugh listeners listen to rush limbaugh, who repeats the same lies and adds a number of his own
who would these 'witnesses' be?
re: #201 engineer cat
fox news watchers watch fox news, who repeat the same lies, and rush limbaugh listeners listen to rush limbaugh, who repeats the same lies and adds a number of his own
who would these 'witnesses' be?
{sigh}
Debate viewer ship was somewhere in the vicinity of 70 MILLION
Are you telling me all 70 MILLION were on the right?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:48:24pm |
re: #216 The Mongoose
It's a live update of all activity on the site...comments (on all threads), page posts, stuff like that.
There are actually two versions of the Spy -- the Master Spy, to which you linked, shows all activity on the site in all threads.
If you click the "Spy Mode" button at the end of a comment thread, you go to the Thread Spy which shows only comments being posted to that thread, and lets you post comments too.
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Joanne Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:49:46pm |
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Tigger2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:50:30pm |
re: #222 MittDoesNotCompute
Who in the fuck is this condescending choad?
I guess I voted for the Divine Vengeance on America, piss on that rightwing religious nut, people like him is why I believe in god but wont go to church.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:50:38pm |
re: #224 sattv4u2
re: #201 engineer cat
{sigh}
Debate viewer ship was somewhere in the vicinity of 70 MILLION
Are you telling me all 70 MILLION were on the right?
well, we all make our own judgements and there are no universal referees, and i think the overwhelming majority of people have already made up their minds about facts and decide purely on emotional reactions
so, i'm afraid i'm not sure what your original point was
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:51:15pm |
re: #223 Guanxi88
I've considered that side of it, too.
Worst case scenario - I can't sell the place as a dwelling.
In which case, they can buy 5 acres of agricultural land with a really elaborate chicken coop on it.
I was looking at some places out on the coast here. Some of them were really cool geodesic domes but the legal requirement made owners list them with spooky language like "illegal structure unsafe for habitation".
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:51:29pm |
re: #214 Only The Lurker Knows
This is why I have storage bins for such things as electrical, plumbing, computer parts, etc. Makes it real easy to find things when you need them.
Of course, you have to remember to put/return said items in/to the bin. Because if you don't, they then seem to develop legs and mysteriously vanish when you actually need them. Tools also seem to have this mystical ability as well.
My garage is amazingly (for me) organized
Shelves, bins, tool chests and storage boxes all marked and coordinated per usage (yard/ gardening / outdoor here,,, power tools there,,, car stuff over there)
Somehow though, those two items got ated
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:52:30pm |
re: #232 Killgore Trout
I was looking at some places out on the coast here. Some of them were really cool geodesic domes but the legal requirement made owners list them with spooky language like "illegal structure unsafe for habitation".
What are the yurts on the coast rated?
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:52:39pm |
re: #232 Killgore Trout
Geodesics are appealing, but not really practical.
I understand they leak pretty badly, too.
No, Nadir Khalil's earthbag system seems perfect, especially for the soils we have here - nice mix of clay, gravel, and sand - yes, I even had the sub-soil tested for suitability for this very purpose. I tend to over-plan things.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:52:43pm |
Looks like the Spy is still hanging occasionally, although now it eventually wakes up again. I have a fix for this too. Stand by.
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:52:58pm |
re: #234 Mostly sane, most of the time.
What are the yurts on the coast rated?
Non-permanent, I would presume.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:53:10pm |
re: #234 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Temporary structures, in most jurisdictions. It's just a freakin' tent, after all.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:53:24pm |
re: #228 Guanxi88
Meh, sweat I've got. Cash....
About the tires--the builds I've seen reported filled and rammed the tires in place, didn't try to lift filled ones. A big disadvantage is that a failed project leaves you with an EPA violation if you don't pay for legal disposal of the abandoned tires.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:53:46pm |
re: #238 Guanxi88
Temporary structures, in most jurisdictions. It's just a freakin' tent, after all.
The ones on the coast that the state of Oregon owns don't really come down, I think. Still--they're one room.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:54:02pm |
re: #231 engineer cat
i'm afraid i'm not sure what your original point was
Great,,, count on the one on pain drugs (me) to remember how all this started!!
/
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:54:34pm |
re: #239 Decatur Deb
Yep.
Whereas a failed build with these leaves one with a heap of dirt inside mis-printed feed sacks. Without a proper stucco-job, it just sinks back on itself and becomes a little hillock.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:54:55pm |
re: #238 Guanxi88
Temporary structures, in most jurisdictions. It's just a freakin' tent, after all.
Some types of geodesic domes also fit the 'tent' loophole.
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The Mongoose Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:55:13pm |
re: #225 Charles Johnson
There are actually two versions of the Spy -- the Master Spy, to which you linked, shows all activity on the site in all threads.
If you click the "Spy Mode" button at the end of a comment thread, you go to the Thread Spy which shows only comments being posted to that thread, and lets you post comments too.
Yet more coding madness.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:55:56pm |
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:56:06pm |
re: #243 Decatur Deb
I've always - since a child - loved the owner-built home solution.
Seems to me - cold-hearted right-winger that I am - that a decent place to live is a fundamental prerequisite for life, and therefore more or less a right to and for anyone who is willing to build one.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:58:38pm |
re: #242 Guanxi88
Yep.
Whereas a failed build with these leaves one with a heap of dirt inside mis-printed feed sacks. Without a proper stucco-job, it just sinks back on itself and becomes a little hillock.
We have a straw-bale mansion more than 70 years old in Alabama.
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Oct 10, 2012 2:59:40pm |
re: #233 sattv4u2
My garage is amazingly (for me) organized
Shelves, bins, tool chests and storage boxes all marked and coordinated per usage (yard/ gardening / outdoor here,,, power tools there,,, car stuff over there)
Somehow though, those two items got ated
I have noticed that the more important the part/tool you need to complete a job, the higher the probability will be of you being unable to find it until after you purchase a new one. I think Murphy just might have something to do with this.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:00:04pm |
re: #247 Decatur Deb
Looked at those, too. I've got an architect buddy helping me with the engineering drawings.
Two-floors - first floor - earthbags up to a height of ten feet, then straw-bales over that, with the roof-load carried by wooden posts.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:00:08pm |
re: #246 Guanxi88
I've always - since a child - loved the owner-built home solution.
Seems to me - cold-hearted right-winger that I am - that a decent place to live is a fundamental prerequisite for life, and therefore more or less a right to and for anyone who is willing to build one.
Back in the 70's/ early 80's an associate (at the time) of mine lived in a teepee in Kansas. Built it himself. iirc, it was about three times larger than what was always portrayed on TV
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:00:52pm |
re: #248 Only The Lurker Knows
I have noticed that the more important the part/tool you need to complete a job, the higher the probability will be of you being unable to find it until after you purchase a new one. I think Murphy just might have something to do with this.
Feline Overlords. The trip out for the replacement part allows for the purchase of tuna, chicken, catnip, and other necessities.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:01:11pm |
re: #246 Guanxi88
I've always - since a child - loved the owner-built home solution.
Seems to me - cold-hearted right-winger that I am - that a decent place to live is a fundamental prerequisite for life, and therefore more or less a right to and for anyone who is willing to build one.
My grandmother lives in the house that my grandfather and she built in 1958. And when I say, built, I mean they built it, not hired someone else to build it. It's full of things that were tailored to them, like she's a little taller than the average woman, so he raised the kitchen countertops for her.
Of course it met code, because my grandfather was in a construction-related field, and he lived and died by code.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:01:41pm |
re: #250 sattv4u2
Back in the 70's/ early 80's an associate (at the time) of mine lived in a teepee in Kansas. Built it himself. iirc, it was about three times larger than what was always portrayed on TV
Did his teepee ever get T-P'd?
:D
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:02:20pm |
re: #248 Only The Lurker Knows
I have noticed that the more important the part/tool you need to complete a job, the higher the probability will be of you being unable to find it until after you purchase a new one. I think Murphy just might have something to do with this.
I can't even begin to tell you how many sets of hex key sets I have! Not to mention odd size sockets
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:02:40pm |
re: #253 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Did his teepee ever get T-P'd?
:D
Nahh,, I think he used dry leaves !!!
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:02:51pm |
re: #252 Mostly sane, most of the time.
I'm smiling over here. I love to hear such things.
A home you build for yourself amounts to a small corner of the world you've walled off and set in order.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:04:23pm |
re: #252 Mostly sane, most of the time.
My grandmother lives in the house that my grandfather and she built in 1958. And when I say, built, I mean they built it, not hired someone else to build it. It's full of things that were tailored to them, like she's a little taller than the average woman, so he raised the kitchen countertops for her.
Of course it met code, because my grandfather was in a construction-related field, and he lived and died by code.
The Habitat houses we build are exceedingly conventional, though we are starting to get some help from an electrical co-op on energy efficiency. I've had no luck even talking up Energy-Star shingles so far. The great concern is to make sure the family has something eventually marketable.
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:04:25pm |
re: #251 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Feline Overlords. The trip out for the replacement part allows for the purchase of tuna, chicken, catnip, and other necessities.
The Feline Overlords (Fur Ball, Blackie, Patches and Ghost) get Ally Cat dry Cat food.
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Kragar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:04:50pm |
Archaeologists claim to find spot where Julius Caesar was stabbed
They say they have found a concrete structure, three metres (10 feet) wide and two metres (nearly seven feet) high, that was erected by his adoptive son and successor, Augustus.
After taking power himself, Augustus ordered the structure be placed exactly over the place where the attack took place so as to condemn the slaying of his father, the scientists said.
“This finding confirms that the general was stabbed right at the bottom of the Curia of Pompey while he was presiding, sitting on a chair, over a meeting of the Senate,” the Spanish research council said in a statement.
The Curia of Pompey was a closed space used sometimes for senate meetings at the time. The building’s remains are in the Torre Argentina archaeological site in the centre of Rome.
What the archaelogists found was not the spot where Caesar died but the point where he must have been stabbed and fell, Spanish council researcher Antonio Monterroso told AFP.
“We know this because there is a structure that seals the place where Caesar must have been seated presiding over the senate session where he was stabbed,” he said.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:05:43pm |
re: #224 sattv4u2
Are you telling me all 70 MILLION were on the right?/blockquote>
everybody agreed that obama lost the debate on atmospherics
not everybody will admit that mitt lied even more outrageously than usual, while obama meticulously told the truth
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:06:01pm |
re: #254 sattv4u2
I can't even begin to tell you how many sets of hex key sets I have! Not to mention odd size sockets
Need any JB Weld? Have about 6 kits (maybe more) floating around here.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:06:10pm |
re: #256 Guanxi88
I'm smiling over here. I love to hear such things.
A home you build for yourself amounts to a small corner of the world you've walled off and set in order.
I started to build a shed in the backyard three summers ago
And when I say started, I mean it's about half done
And when I say half, I mean about 1/4
And when I say 1/4, I mean the footings are in place, the 2 x 6's run across them and most of the other material is under a tarp next to it
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:07:53pm |
re: #262 sattv4u2
Mr. Sattv4u Builds His Dream-Shed.
I've figured out how to light a fire under my lazy ass when the time comes. Live on-site in a travel-trailer.
About two days in that mobile sauna will be more than enough to persuade me to get a move-on, should inertia intervene.
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:08:08pm |
re: #262 sattv4u2
I started to build a shed in the backyard three summers ago
And when I say started, I mean it's about half done
And when I say half, I mean about 1/4
And when I say 1/4, I mean the footings are in place, the 2 x 6's run across them and most of the other material is under a tarp next to it
Whoa, whoa, slow down and have a beer. Let's not get carried away.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:08:35pm |
re: #262 sattv4u2
I started to build a shed in the backyard three summers ago
And when I say started, I mean it's about half done
And when I say half, I mean about 1/4
And when I say 1/4, I mean the footings are in place, the 2 x 6's run across them and most of the other material is under a tarp next to it
Built a large storage shed on commercial property for a buddy this Spring. It's a storage shed, but most of one wall drops to waist-high for the serving of beer in emergencies.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:09:07pm |
re: #263 Guanxi88
Mr. Sattv4u Builds His Dream-Shed.
I've figured out how to light a fire under my lazy ass when the time comes. Live on-site in a travel-trailer.
About two days in that mobile sauna will be more than enough to persuade me to get a move-on, should inertia intervene.
LOL
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:09:17pm |
re: #247 Decatur Deb
We have a straw-bale mansion more than 70 years old in Alabama.
It's not really made of straw bales, it's just insulated with them:
[Link: www.burrittonthemountain.com...]
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:09:28pm |
re: #262 sattv4u2
I started to build a shed in the backyard three summers ago
And when I say started, I mean it's about half done
And when I say half, I mean about 1/4
And when I say 1/4, I mean the footings are in place, the 2 x 6's run across them and most of the other material is under a tarp next to it
You any kin to this lady?
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:10:12pm |
re: #264 erik_t
Whoa, whoa, slow down and have a beer. Let's not get carried away.
Sitting here at the puter, window overlooking the backyard in which the "shed" (and tarp covered materials) sits I'm getting tired just looking at it
BREAK !!!
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:12:57pm |
I'll be taking volunteers for bag-filling and tamping, by the way.
You can camp out for free, but ya gotta bring yer own tents and all coolers are subject to 'rent' payments from the owner.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:15:37pm |
re: #270 Guanxi88
I'll be taking volunteers for bag-filling and tamping, by the way.
You can camp out for free, but ya gotta bring yer own tents and all coolers are subject to 'rent' payments from the owner.
I'll volunteer to watch the volunteers and be Cooler Monitor!
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:16:38pm |
re: #270 Guanxi88
I'll be taking volunteers for bag-filling and tamping, by the way.
You can camp out for free, but ya gotta bring yer own tents and all coolers are subject to 'rent' payments from the owner.
Don't know about your tamping process, but Habitat Village in Americus has examples of of simple lever-operated rammers they use in appropriate climates. Seem to remember some from the hippie housing movements of the 60s.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:16:53pm |
Yup. A right-wing, gun-toting Republican is planning to build a super-insulated green home, complete with rain-water catchment, passive cooling systems, and grey-water recycling.
And why?
Because houses the other way cost too damned much, and I hate spending money.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:17:32pm |
So they say the unemployment stat is a conspiracy that reaches across multiple agencies and media outlets. Pssst, how did they miss this chart?
///
[Link: data.bls.gov...]
More seriously, this number really needs to improve to lift the middle class up and out of the current stupor. The Labor Participation Rate. Brought to you by the "co conspirators" at BLS.
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:17:44pm |
re: #273 Guanxi88
Yup. A right-wing, gun-toting Republican is planning to build a super-insulated green home, complete with rain-water catchment, passive cooling systems, and grey-water recycling.
And why?
Because houses the other way cost too damned much, and I hate spending money.
Protecting the planet we live on shouldn't have a left-wing/right-wing component.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:17:47pm |
re: #272 Decatur Deb
Ahh! The CINVA ram.
Looked at that one, too. But though I'm a Mason, I'm not a mason, and that kinda labor costs big bucks here.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:18:23pm |
re: #273 Guanxi88
Yup. A right-wing, gun-toting Republican is planning to build a super-insulated green home, complete with rain-water catchment, passive cooling systems, and grey-water recycling.
And why?
Because houses the other way cost too damned much, and I hate spending money.
You move in there, you're on the road to hemp clothing and Code Pink.
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Tigger2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:19:40pm |
re: #273 Guanxi88
Yup. A right-wing, gun-toting Republican is planning to build a super-insulated green home, complete with rain-water catchment, passive cooling systems, and grey-water recycling.
And why?
Because houses the other way cost too damned much, and I hate spending money.
Hum maybe you aren't as far right as ya think you are. lol
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:19:51pm |
re: #276 erik_t
The green factor will help sell it, should it ever come to that, and may win me some sympathy with any local authorities.
But my motivation is purely economic. This makes sense here. Local conditions dictate the proper forms of habitation, of course, and what works here would not work in, say, Oregon.
But with lumber and labor as costly as they are, and with the bulk of one's utilities going toward cooling, this makes perfect sense.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:19:52pm |
re: #278 Decatur Deb
You move in there, you're on the road to hemp clothing and Code Pink.
And patchouli...
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:20:34pm |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:20:38pm |
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:21:06pm |
re: #278 Decatur Deb
Ha!
Hemp clothing. I've got an old hurdle shirt (that's what they called them by me) that wears like cast iron. Makes denim look like cheesecloth.
Code Pink. Nahh! If I really want that kinda noise, I'll hang out with the ex's mother.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:21:07pm |
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Kragar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:22:32pm |
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The Mongoose Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:22:45pm |
re: #281 Guanxi88
The green factor will help sell it, should it ever come to that, and may win me some sympathy with any local authorities.
But my motivation is purely economic. This makes sense here. Local conditions dictate the proper forms of habitation, of course, and what works here would not work in, say, Oregon.
But with lumber and labor as costly as they are, and with the bulk of one's utilities going toward cooling, this makes perfect sense.
Economics sometimes makes greens of us all. My condo has individual metering of electricity, water, heat, A/C, everything. The result is far lower energy use than buildings that have communal utility bills.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:23:45pm |
What sold me on the whole earthbag thing, aside from the sheer economy of the method, was its simplicity.
Fill a bag with earth, set in place, tamp, and move on.
Hell, Khalil proposed it to NASA as a means of building structures on the moon and off-world, it's so damned cheap.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:23:50pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:24:13pm |
Still hanging a bit--might be the new Linux at this end, though. (Mint13) Off to walk the dog while the hamsters are disciplined.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:26:14pm |
re: #291 Decatur Deb
Still hanging a bit--might be the new Linux at this end, though. (Mint13) Off to walk the dog while the hamsters are disciplined.
Who's going to discipline the dog while you walk the hamsters though?
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:26:49pm |
re: #288 The Mongoose
Yep. Communal arrangements, unless the folks all know and care for each other, tend to result in individual sub-optimization of resource usage.
Ownership works.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:26:57pm |
re: #287 Kragar
HE SAID THE WORD!!!
/nee
*everyone screams*
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!
/Pee-Wee's Playhouse
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:28:01pm |
re: #289 Guanxi88
What sold me on the whole earthbag thing, aside from the sheer economy of the method, was its simplicity.
Fill a bag with earth, set in place, tamp, and move on.
Hell, Khalil proposed it to NASA as a means of building structures on the moon and off-world, it's so damned cheap.
I'm sure that turned up somewhere as "NASA spends budget on dirtbags."
/
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:28:03pm |
re: #287 Kragar
HE SAID THE WORD!!!
/nee
PENG
NUUUIIIII-CLANG
wait I might have the wrong movie again
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:28:41pm |
re: #295 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Cheaper than shipping steel to the moon, ya gotta admit.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:29:08pm |
re: #296 erik_t
PENG
NUUUIIIII-CLANG
wait I might have the wrong movie again
Just don't ride on the cart, whether you have nine pence or not. Take a walk instead.
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:29:44pm |
re: #298 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Just don't ride on the cart, whether you have nine pence or not. Take a walk instead.
I don't want to go on the cart!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:29:55pm |
re: #297 Guanxi88
Cheaper than shipping steel to the moon, ya gotta admit.
Certainly. Lightweight and compact storage. Just like invaders carrying a few empty sandbags in their load-out on D-Day.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:31:17pm |
OK, testing another tweak to the Spy...
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:31:21pm |
Yikes.
Another defenseless caterpillar to scare the piss out of you strangebehaviors.wordpress.com/2012/10/10/ano...— Richard Conniff (@RichardConniff) October 10, 2012
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:31:23pm |
re: #300 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Oddly enough, it was studies he'd made of military bunkers, in combination with the Nubian vault and a few other indigenous construction methods, that led him down that road.
Bunkers from WWI, built with oiled sandbags, lasted nearly forever.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:32:13pm |
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The Mongoose Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:32:50pm |
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:33:42pm |
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:34:19pm |
re: #304 Guanxi88
Oddly enough, it was studies he'd made of military bunkers, in combination with the Nubian vault and a few other indigenous construction methods, that led him down that road.
Bunkers from WWI, built with oiled sandbags, lasted nearly forever.
If you make it stable, get it to "hook" together somehow and prevent the containment from rotting it pretty much should.
No surprise that polypropylene (if you keep the sun off it) and some barbed wire would work. Just have to hope the local vermin that burrow don't take a heavy interest.
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:35:16pm |
re: #308 wrenchwench
Click the link in #303.
I think it looks pretty. It also reminded me of Anthony Imperiale. Not so pretty.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:35:18pm |
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:35:32pm |
re: #309 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Lower two feet of earthbag walls are filled with a mixture of clay, sand, and gravel, compacted. Nothing in there they'd want, and with a cement plaster outside, no means of entry.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:36:35pm |
re: #310 Gus
I think it looks pretty. It also reminded me of Anthony Imperiale. Not so pretty.
Double yikes.
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Guanxi88 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:36:46pm |
Well, the apes are raging, wanting me to feed them.
Honestly, what is it with children? Every day or two, it's "I'm hungry!"
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:37:20pm |
re: #312 Guanxi88
Lower two feet of earthbag walls are filled with a mixture of clay, sand, and gravel, compacted. Nothing in there they'd want, and with a cement plaster outside, no means of entry.
The cement plaster is pretty much sort of key for that. Compacting helps in making it hard for something to dig into, though I presume insects would still try. Presumably the roofing and keeping it relatively dry will help a lot too.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:38:09pm |
re: #310 Gus
I think it looks pretty. It also reminded me of Anthony Imperiale. Not so pretty.
Thats not the (little) Anthony (and the) Imperiale(s) that I know!!
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:38:15pm |
Good segment of the ABC interview. Hit Romney on his changing positions on abortion.
He definitely seems like he's been woken up after the debate. I doubt we see a repeat performance on Tuesday.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:39:20pm |
Egypt unveils draft of new constitution
The partial draft, which was opened for public review, immediately revealed the battle lines between Islamists and secularists over the nation's character. Dominated by ultraconservative and moderate Islamists, the 100-member assembly that wrote the charter made it clear that civil and religious rights would be shaped through the prism of Islam.
...
Article 36 stipulates that "the state shall take all measures to establish the equality of women and men in the areas of political, cultural, economic, and social life, as well as all other areas, insofar as this does not conflict with the rulings of Islamic sharia."
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:39:24pm |
re: #315 Gus
Remember him?
[Link: www.corbisimages.com...]
No, can't say that I do.
The caterpillar reminds me of this:
VOTE Calavera by #laloalcaraz . Get yours at laloalcaraz.com.#latinovote instagr.am/p/QnkVz-ludh/— Lalo Alcaraz (@laloalcaraz) October 10, 2012
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:39:33pm |
Here's a photo of @mittromney in 2005, breaking ground at a nefarious, budget-murdering PBS member station in Boston: motherjones.com/mojo/2012/10/p...— Asawin Suebsaeng (@swin24) October 10, 2012
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:39:45pm |
re: #317 sattv4u2
Thats not the (little) Anthony (and the) Imperiale(s) that I know!!
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((geez, what a great era for music))
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:40:01pm |
re: #310 Gus
I think it looks pretty. It also reminded me of Anthony Imperiale. Not so pretty.
He formed the North Ward First Aid Squad, ostensibly to escort residents of the predominantly Italian North Ward through racially troubled areas [during the 1967 Newark riots - Ed.]. But the group's nighttime street patrols drew charges of vigilantism. And Mr. Imperiale's defiance, even demagoguery, only made things worse, his critics said. At one point, he warned that ''when the Black Panther comes, the white hunter will be waiting.''
What a racist cockbag; the sooner that his type die away, the better off we'll all be.
At least Imperiale's already dead...
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A Mom Anon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:41:10pm |
re: #281 Guanxi88
I think it's awesome what you're trying to do. It shouldn't be a right/left thing,just a cool thing. Are you going to have a garden and stuff too? I love the rainwater idea too,just make sure your roof isn't made of something that will pollute the water(like regular shingles),I learned that the hard way. We live in a 30 yr old house that we pretty much rebuilt one room at a time,plus all the outside stuff. It would have almost been cheaper to build a new house,lol.
My mom's parents built a log cabin by themselves outside of Lancaster,Ohio back in the 40's. Dug up all the stones for the fireplace themselves,built dog kennels(they raised purebred Welsh Corgis),a detached garage/workshop. Grandpa was an electrician and craftsman,he wired the place and did all the woodworking himself with Grandma's help. It was awesome. You walked maybe a 1/4 mile down a dirt/gravel road and there was a covered bridge just past the house. And another covered bridge going the other direction,about 5 miles away. I loved going there as a kid. It totally broke my heart when they sold it after grandpa got sick.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:41:36pm |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:41:42pm |
Sandmonkey is not happy
The most failed revolution in history wallahy. Dear world, study us, and don't do anything we did.— ????? ????? (@Sandmonkey) October 10, 2012
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:41:43pm |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:42:39pm |
re: #326 wrenchwench
Look who's tossing the biggest shovel load.
It sure ain't Mumbles Menino!
(mayor of Boston,, far left in both the photo and life)
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:43:51pm |
re: #55 Gus
Buzz Bissinger Explains His Transformation Into Twitter’s King Of Douche-Juicing
2010
Perpetually angry white man decides he's going to vote Republican. Of course.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:44:00pm |
Ohhh LOL! I am such a PetaPixel fan.
AP Apologizes After Poorly-Timed Photo of Romney Draws Criticism
Image: romney_oops.jpg
The Associated Press caused a stir this week after publishing the above photograph of presidential hopeful Mitt Romney. Shot at Fairfield Elementary School in Virginia, the photo had the caption,
Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney poses for photographs with students of Fairfield Elementary School, Monday, Oct. 8, 2012, in Fairfield, Va.
The caption was innocent enough, but the fact that the photo looked as though a girl behind Romney was gaping at his rear end instantly drew criticism from across the web, with commentators calling it “unflattering” and “inexcusable“.
An apology was swiftly issued by the AP yesterday, and the organization updated the caption to explain the look on the girl’s face:
Republican presidential candidate, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney poses for photographs with students of Fairfield Elementary School, Monday, Oct. 8, 2012, in Fairfield, Va. A student, right, reacts as she realizes Romney will crouch down directly in front of her and her classmates for the group photo.
Read more at [Link: www.petapixel.com...]
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:44:03pm |
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:44:06pm |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:45:21pm |
re: #330 Gus
Obama's fault.
-- Sandmonkey//
Oh, yeah. I forgot you guys misinterpreted that article of his.
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:45:52pm |
Mitt #Romney at ground breaking for #PBS station, WGBH Boston, with Big Bird. #p2 #tlot #Obama #ObamaBiden2012 twitter.com/Gus_802/status...— Gus (@Gus_802) October 10, 2012
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:46:54pm |
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:47:13pm |
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:50:41pm |
re: #222 MittDoesNotCompute
Who in the fuck is this condescending choad?
I assure you nobody black knows either. The notion that there is a "black leader" with more clout then PBO and could sway black voters is ridiculous on his face.
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:56:22pm |
Reason why Biden's habit of making "gaffes" is a big red herring when talking about debates:
In the debate, you don't get to cut out the little portion of a sentence that sounds like a "gaffe." In the debate, everyone gets to hear the full context of what Biden is trying to say. So while he still might say a few things that, if it were said on the campaign trail, would be snipped out of context to create a "gaffe" for Romney, the millions of people watching get to see that he didn't actually say THAT.
So I'm hoping Ryan's getting as confident as the wingnuts, thinking Joe is going to stumble over himself. Biden destroyed Palin because he has the crucial political skill of being able to call out his opponent's bullshit while still seeming "nice." From everything I've seen from Ryan, he definitely doesn't not have that skill. When he tries to attack someone, he just comes off like a (fake)nerdy jerk and a doofus.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:56:25pm |
re: #337 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Romney story of meeting fallen SEAL doesn't match said SEAL's own acct according to a friend.
The SEAL's mother isn't too happy either.
[Link: www1.whdh.com...]
"I don't trust Romney. He shouldn't make my son's death part of his political agenda. It's wrong to use these brave young men, who wanted freedom for all, to degrade Obama,” said Barbara Doherty, Glen’s mother.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 10, 2012 3:57:23pm |
re: #327 Killgore Trout
Sandmonkey is not happy
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With all due respect...I think the French have that title.
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makeitstop Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:02:13pm |
re: #340 JamesWI
So I'm hoping Ryan's getting as confident as the wingnuts, thinking Joe is going to stumble over himself. Biden destroyed Palin because he has the crucial political skill of being able to call out his opponent's bullshit while still seeming "nice." From everything I've seen from Ryan, he definitely doesn't not have that skill. When he tries to attack someone, he just comes off like a (fake)nerdy jerk and a doofus.
And Biden doesn't have to be as nice as he was last time - he had to walk on eggshells so it wouldn't look like he was 'beating up on a girl.'
I believe that if Ryan tries the same tactic as Mitt did in the first debate, Biden won't be the least bit shy about calling Ryan out on it.
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The Mongoose Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:03:45pm |
re: #343 makeitstop
And Biden doesn't have to be as nice as he was last time - he had to walk on eggshells so it wouldn't look like he was 'beating up on a girl.'
I believe that if Ryan tries the same tactic as Mitt did in the first debate, Biden won't be the least bit shy about calling Ryan out on it.
My guess: Biden's best openings will come in attacking Romney and forcing Ryan to defend him. Ryan will counter by pivoting back to criticizing the administration's record.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:04:12pm |
re: #343 makeitstop
And Biden doesn't have to be as nice as he was last time - he had to walk on eggshells so it wouldn't look like he was 'beating up on a girl.'
I believe that if Ryan tries the same tactic as Mitt did in the first debate, Biden won't be the least bit shy about calling Ryan out on it.
He pretty much has to at this point.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:04:26pm |
re: #342 Mostly sane, most of the time.
With all due respect...I think the French have that title.
Yeah, he's being a bit melodramatic but I can understand his disappointment. He was really sure this was going to do down differently.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:06:24pm |
re: #346 Killgore Trout
Yeah, he's being a bit melodramatic but I can understand his disappointment. He was really sure this was going to do down differently.
The thing that most people don't get about the American Revolution--it wasn't much of a Revolution.
If you read the bios of the signers, they were almost all men who had been active in the colonial government for most of their lives. They just got rid of their overseas overlords and the colonial agent who worked for them.
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:08:22pm |
re: #344 The Mongoose
My guess: Biden's best openings will come in attacking Romney and forcing Ryan to defend him. Ryan will counter by pivoting back to criticizing the administration's record.
I disagree. I think his best attacks will be reminding everyone just how ridiculous Ryan's budget ideas are. Unlike Romney, Ryan can't run away from his budgets....his budget plans are the only reason why he's a VP candidate.
Biden needs to hit him on gutting SS, turning Medicare into a voucher program, cutting taxes for the rich.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:11:00pm |
re: #347 Mostly sane, most of the time.
The thing that most people don't get about the American Revolution--it wasn't much of a Revolution.
If you read the bios of the signers, they were almost all men who had been active in the colonial government for most of their lives. They just got rid of their overseas overlords and the colonial agent who worked for them.
And the Americans also had some common ideology and direction with their revolution. There was a philosophical underpinning. In Egypt is was a broad coalition involved in the street protests but the Muslim Bros were the only ones with political experience and infrastructure in place. I'm actually surprised they've been cooperative as they've been so far.
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:11:02pm |
Rand Paul's been on CNN for a while now (just finished), really slamming into Romney for his foreign policy ideas (specifically Romney's rush to get involved on behalf of the Syrian Rebels) and his calls for extra trillions for defense spending.
I may disagree with the Pauls on the vast majority of issues, but at least they aren't scared of going against the party line when they think the party line is wrong.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:12:09pm |
re: #344 The Mongoose
My guess: Biden's best openings will come in attacking Romney and forcing Ryan to defend him. Ryan will counter by pivoting back to criticizing the administration's record.
ryan is a hot head. i think biden might smilingly rag on him and call him out as a liar until ryan loses his temper
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:12:34pm |
re: #350 JamesWI
Rand Paul's been on CNN for a while now (just finished), really slamming into Romney for his foreign policy ideas (specifically Romney's rush to get involved on behalf of the Syrian Rebels) and his calls for extra trillions for defense spending.
I may disagree with the Pauls on the vast majority of issues, but at least they aren't scared of going against the party line when they think the party line is wrong.
Well, the Pauls are consistent to a fault...consistently nuts.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:12:55pm |
re: #351 engineer cat
ryan is a hot head. i think biden might smilingly rag on him and call him out as a liar until ryan loses his temper
G-d, I hope so.
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Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:20:10pm |
re: #336 Gus
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New Yankee Workshop and This Old House have been 2 of my favorite shows of all time.
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Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:20:36pm |
re: #354 Amory Blaine
New Yankee Workshop and This Old House have been 2 of my favorite shows of all time.
But I'm a commie so...
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:32:49pm |
re: #355 Amory Blaine
But I'm a commie so...
This old ugly concrete apartment building? Sorry, but only the party leaders can have a dacha.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:34:21pm |
InnerTubes Ruling Council Declares Week Of Tired Hamsters
ancient religious festival to last a thousand years according to system clock
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:35:51pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:36:58pm |
re: #351 engineer cat
ryan is a hot head. i think biden might smilingly rag on him and call him out as a liar until ryan loses his temper
Best answer to that for Ryan: Take aim at one of Biden's gaffes each time he tried that and then use that to segue back onto track. Don't get pulled off your plan just because the other side comes after you hard; Instead be link Aaron Rogers, keeping focused and calm and shifting to a no-huddle offense. Biden's not that fast a thinker, barrage him on an issue and you can stump him.
Bottom Line: If the enemy expects you to make a mistake, then you'll set them off their game just by avoiding the mistake.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:37:33pm |
re: #359 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
They come not to honor Big Bird, but to bury him.
HAIL to thee, blithe spirit!
Bird thou never wert—
That from heaven or near it
Pourest thy full heart
In profuse strains of unpremeditated art
who gives their child a middle name like 'bysshe'?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:38:14pm |
re: #359 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
They come not to honor Big Bird, but to bury him.
Yet Grover says Big Bird was ambitious, and Grover is an honorable monster...
//
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:40:06pm |
re: #362 Dark_Falcon
Yet Grover says Big Bird was ambitious, and Grover is an honorable monster...
//
Sesame Street Shakespeare. :D
Who gets to star in The Scottish Play?
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:41:22pm |
re: #360 Dark_Falcon
Best answer to that for Ryan: Take aim at one of Biden's gaffes each time he tried that and then use that to segue back onto track. Don't get pulled off your plan just because the other side comes after you hard; Instead be link Aaron Rogers, keeping focused and calm and shifting to a no-huddle offense. Biden's not that fast a thinker, barrage him on an issue and you can stump him.
Bottom Line: If the enemy expects you to make a mistake, then you'll set them off their game just by avoiding the mistake.
but ryan is so vulnerable on the facts that every interviewer now will back him into a corner as he slips and slides trying to avoid answering that inevitable nagging question:
WHAT DEDUCTIONS, EXACTLY, WILL YOU ELIMINATE TO MAKE THE 20% TAX CUT REVENUE NEUTRAL?
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:42:07pm |
re: #361 engineer cat
HAIL to thee, blithe spirit!
Bird thou never wert—
That from heaven or near it
Pourest thy full heart
In profuse strains of unpremeditated artwho gives their child a middle name like 'bysshe'?
One of the signers of the Declaration is named "Button Gwynett." One of the signers of the Constitution (who was MUCH more famous) is named "Gouverneur Morris." That's not a title. It's a first name.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:42:15pm |
I also have found that members of LGF are bad for flightless birds called Guam Rails. The island of Cocos, a small island in the Marianas chain where the rails are being reintroduced, has recently seem the arrival of monitor lizards. Monitors raid the nests of rails and eat their eggs and young, so the rails must be Stalkers in disguise.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:42:23pm |
re: #350 JamesWI
Rand Paul's been on CNN for a while now (just finished), really slamming into Romney for his foreign policy ideas (specifically Romney's rush to get involved on behalf of the Syrian Rebels) and his calls for extra trillions for defense spending.
I may disagree with the Pauls on the vast majority of issues, but at least they aren't scared of going against the party line when they think the party line is wrong.
They aren't Republicans, they're Libertarians. They only use the Republican Party when it's expedient. You have to take their anti-interventionism with a hefty dose of isolationism, racism, selfishness, and whatever other Libertarian values they choose to embrace.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:42:55pm |
re: #363 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Sesame Street Shakespeare. :D
Who gets to star in The Scottish Play?
Jimmah, of course. Who else to do that but an actual Scot?
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:43:59pm |
re: #361 engineer cat
HAIL to thee, blithe spirit!
Bird thou never wert—
That from heaven or near it
Pourest thy full heart
In profuse strains of unpremeditated artwho gives their child a middle name like 'bysshe'?
"Cry 'Havoc!' and let slip the wingnuts of DERP!!1"
//
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:46:31pm |
re: #365 Mostly sane, most of the time.
One of the signers of the Declaration is named "Button Gwynett." One of the signers of the Constitution (who was MUCH more famous) is named "Gouverneur Morris." That's not a title. It's a first name.
my favorite will always be Mr. Preserved Fish
related to hamilton fish, of the famous new york fishies
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:47:14pm |
re: #360 Dark_Falcon
Best answer to that for Ryan: Take aim at one of Biden's gaffes each time he tried that and then use that to segue back onto track. Don't get pulled off your plan just because the other side comes after you hard; Instead be link Aaron Rogers, keeping focused and calm and shifting to a no-huddle offense. Biden's not that fast a thinker, barrage him on an issue and you can stump him.
Bottom Line: If the enemy expects you to make a mistake, then you'll set them off their game just by avoiding the mistake.
Great strategy. Build your debate on comments taken out of context. The problem with that is, Biden can come back with the context.
If Ryan comes out with his "Oh, but you said the middle-class was buried for the last four years!!! DERP".....Biden can simply say "Yes, they were buried due to the policies that you want to go back to. The President and I are trying to pull them back up."
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darthstar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:47:51pm |
RT @greytdog RT @kagrox: First, do no harm. Second, do no patients. Bam! You just got #DESJARLAID!— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) October 10, 2012
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darthstar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:48:44pm |
re: #372 JamesWI
Great strategy. Build your debate on comments taken out of context. The problem with that is, Biden can come back with the context.
If Ryan comes out with his "Oh, but you said the middle-class was buried for the last four years!!! DERP".....Biden can simply say "Yes, they were buried due to the policies that you want to go back to. The President and I are trying to pull them back up."
I think DF should be Ryan's official debate advisor...he's doing a heckuva job.
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:51:10pm |
re: #374 darthstar
I think DF should be Ryan's official debate advisor...he's doing a heckuva job.
Especially if he gives Ryan his "We should nuke Iran to keep them from possibly getting nukes" line. Or his "I don't think I'm going to need Social Security or Medicare, so screw all the rest of y'all!" plan.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:55:32pm |
good morning today for my little business on the side, made $205.00
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:58:06pm |
re: #365 Mostly sane, most of the time.
One of the signers of the Declaration is named "Button Gwynett."
I met him in Fallout (really he is just a Protectron robot that thinks it is Button Gwynett) he gave me the Declaration of Independence after I fooled him into thinking I was Thomas Jefferson.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 4:58:06pm |
re: #376 engineer cat
good morning today for my little business on the side, made $205.00
Selling loose Newports in Needle Park?
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:01:24pm |
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:02:30pm |
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:05:54pm |
Pammy sez: My ads is lurve ads! And I am teh Jewiest Jew what ever lived!
Wrong Pamzy. There is no way to be a Jewier Jew than Babushka.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:10:25pm |
I was getting all psyched up for tonight's debate... only to discover I'm a day early.
My enthusiasm for these things must be getting the better of me.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:12:53pm |
Man, it's been one problem after another with the servers this week. Everything runs fine the whole year, then goes to hell in a handbasket in two days.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:13:22pm |
re: #384 Charles Johnson
Well, the Spys seem to be working for me now.
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freetoken Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:15:51pm |
Yes, we're already talking 2016:
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Gus Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:18:46pm |
re: #384 Charles Johnson
Man, it's been one problem after another with the servers this week. Everything runs fine the whole year, then goes to hell in a handbasket in two days.
Eek. Look at this.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:20:32pm |
re: #386 freetoken
Yes, we're already talking 2016:
Hopefully he'll fulfill his father's role of the lone crank in the primary debates. I don't see the GOP returning to the failed Tea Party thing again. It's over.
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:21:17pm |
re: #388 Killgore Trout
Hopefully he'll fulfill his father's role of the lone crank in the primary debates. I don't see the GOP returning to the failed Tea Party thing again. It's over.
Someone tell Sherrod Brown.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:21:25pm |
Later. Obama for America agents are getting our secret livestreamed instructions from Chicago in a few minutes. Maybe Comrade Soros himself will speak.
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:24:13pm |
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:24:51pm |
re: #387 Gus
Yeah, we're having sporadic problems getting a good database connection. Very difficult to debug.
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PhillyPretzel Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:25:05pm |
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freetoken Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:25:48pm |
You are getting sleeeppyy....
Incredible Cosmic Spiral Helps Unravel Details of Stellar Evolution
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:28:47pm |
re: #388 Killgore Trout
Hopefully he'll fulfill his father's role of the lone crank in the primary debates. I don't see the GOP returning to the failed Tea Party thing again. It's over.
Don't be so sure. Delusional stupidity is more abundant than hydrogen.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:29:20pm |
Wisconsin lawmaker claims "some girls rape easy": thkpr.gs/Rgkql8— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) October 11, 2012
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:31:11pm |
Naked, Tied-Up Paul Ryan Tells Staff He Can’t Prepare For Debate Unless They Slap Him Harder
Yeah, it's The Onion. But these days, you can never tell.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:31:40pm |
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erik_t Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:32:42pm |
re: #397 Lidane
Wisconsin lawmaker claims "some girls rape easy": thkpr.gs/Rgkql8
I'm sorry, there is zero fucking chance you can convince me this guy doesn't have some immensely creepy skeletons in the closet.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:32:49pm |
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wrenchwench Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:33:02pm |
re: #397 Lidane
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These cavemen used to be good at keeping their backwards moronic attitudes to themselves and their hunting buddies. Why do they suddenly think it's OK to air them in public? Is it Todd Akin's example?
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alpuz Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:34:11pm |
re: #397 Lidane
I thought it was going to be Grothman. But.. yeah, Chetek. I can see a conversation like that going down. In fact, I believe I have.
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Amory Blaine Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:40:40pm |
re: #397 Lidane
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The derp flows out of Wisconsin. We're like a nebulae of derp.
Is Wisconsin's Journal Broadcasting Grooming The Next Glenn Beck?
Wisconsin-based radio host Charlie Sykes may want to be the next Glenn Beck.
But a new marketing project aimed at spreading his hard conservative talk brand beyond home station WTMJ of Milwaukee to web, video, social media and perhaps other media outlets owned by parent company Journal Communications is drawing concern in the state's media community. Sykes' burgeoning network of platforms resembles nothing other than a smaller-scale version of the former Fox News host's sprawling web-based empire.
"That is a fair comparison," says Don Walker, a 34-year veteran of Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, which is also owned by Journal Communications. "Glenn took this huge, I think risk, getting off Fox, or he was pushed, and he left Fox to form this very, very different venture. I think there is some comparison to that Charlie is making a move in a direction that he senses that he can make a move nationally, that he can make a move in a national direction."
That potential move is causing distress in the ranks of the state's journalists, including among reporters at the Journal Sentinel who say the paper already suffers from its association with Sykes' hard-right views.
Several newspaper staffers point to Sykes' partisan approach as undermining the paper's image as the source for fair, unbiased news.
"I know that it frustrates some people," Craig Gilbert, who works out of the Journal Sentinel Washington, D.C., bureau said about his newspaper's staffers. Gilbert called Sykes "a guy who takes sides in all these political battles" and said the radio host's show "certainly has an impact on the Republican party, all of the conservative talk, on Republican primaries. It's a venue where if you are a Republican politician, you can speak to your base in a sympathetic environment."
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:46:38pm |
POTUS knows his internet memes:
OUR PRESIDENT IS COOL AS HELL, PEOPLE. bit.ly/Qe8qOU #ABLC #p2 #TFY #obama2012— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) October 11, 2012
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b_sharp Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:52:06pm |
re: #402 wrenchwench
These cavemen used to be good at keeping their backwards moronic attitudes to themselves and their hunting buddies. Why do they suddenly think it's OK to air them in public? Is it Todd Akin's example?
This predates Akin's 15 minutes of fame. It goes back at least as far as the Tea Party.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:52:38pm |
Is Wisconsin's Journal Broadcasting Grooming The Next Glenn Beck?
grooming as in picking fleas out of his fur?
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alpuz Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:52:57pm |
re: #404 Amory Blaine
Ugh. Sykes is like fox news for the WisGoP. It's a safe harbor for them to sell their bullshit.
With regards to Lidane's post at 397, Chetek is in the middle of backwoods bumblefuck, WI. If it wasn't for the summer tourist industry it would resemble the other communities in that part of the state. Dying a slow death.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:53:05pm |
Some folks here will get the reference. It sailed way over my head:
PJ Media gives its first-ever Walter Duranty Prize to Anna Wintour and Joan Juliet Buck of Vogue for "Asma al-Assad: A Rose in the Desert."— David Freddoso (@freddoso) October 11, 2012
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Charles Johnson Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:56:21pm |
re: #406 reflections of a raging redneck
This predates Akin's 15 minutes of fame. It goes back at least as far as the Tea Party.
Agree - the Tea Party did a lot to bring this kind of crazy right wing shit back into the mainstream. But really, the Tea Party is just a reflection of Fox News, and I think it's probably Fox, Rush Limbaugh, and right wing radio that's done more to empower the dumb white bigot segment of the GOP.
I honestly have never seen this level of craziness from the right, not even in the Clinton years. And I'm convinced that for many of the crazies the real root cause of their derangement is simple racism. The dumb person's excuse for failure.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 10, 2012 5:58:18pm |
re: #409 Lidane
Some folks here will get the reference. It sailed way over my head:
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Walter Duranty: wrote puff pieces about Stalin in the 1930's.
Vogue: wrote puff piece about Mrs. Assad in the 2010's.
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:01:04pm |
re: #411 Sheila Broflovski
Walter Duranty: wrote puff pieces about Stalin in the 1930's.
Vogue: wrote puff piece about Mrs. Assad in the 2010's.
Ah. Gotcha.
Thanks!
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:01:35pm |
re: #409 Lidane
Another thing. For some reason, Vogue is spamming my postal mail with free issues of Vogue which are about the size of phone books. I am probably like the very last person on the fucking planet to take any interest in Vogue or to buy any of the shit they advertise. I am trying to figure out why they are spamming me. I think it's because I used my Nordstrom card ONCE.
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:01:35pm |
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:02:19pm |
re: #404 Amory Blaine
The derp flows out of Wisconsin. We're like a nebulae of derp.
Is Wisconsin's Journal Broadcasting Grooming The Next Glenn Beck?
.
Good lord, Charlie Sykes is getting popular? What the fuck?
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Lidane Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:03:40pm |
re: #414 JamesWI
That's my state!......
Well, it's not like my state is any better. We've got Joe "BP Apologist" Barton and that drooling imbecile Louie Gohmert in office, plus we've got the ongoing derp from both Alex Jones and Luap Nor.
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darthstar Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:05:01pm |
U S A ! U S ...vive la France?
.@jzinser83 @darylfoust4 France's healthcare system rated number ONE in the world.— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) October 11, 2012
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:05:50pm |
Any of my fellow gun guys in? An old pal is on Sons Of Guns. Taran Butler, champion shooter with pistols, rifles and shotguns. If you watch this guy shoot you will be very happy to know he is a stand up good guy.
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b_sharp Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:06:07pm |
I live in Bumblefuck Canada, where the provincial population has been just under 1,000,000 for 75 years. Lately, we've become the fastest growing economy, and the second fastest growing population in the country. We've gone from a population of 980,000 to 1,080,000 in 6 years.
By the number of pick-up trucks, the new population is made up of nothing but red-necks.
We're becoming just like Alberta, which is Canada's version of Texas.
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alpuz Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:09:39pm |
re: #415 JamesWI
Are you familiar with New Media Meade? Ann Althouse's spouse? I'm guessing he's involved with Syke's new venture.
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JamesWI Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:11:29pm |
re: #421 alpuz
Are you familiar with New Media Meade? Ann Althouse's spouse? I'm guessing he's involved with Syke's new venture.
I stopped following Althouse some time after 2008 election, when she immediately turned on Obama to throw red meat to her readers. All I know about Meade was that he was a gardener, so I don't know what you're talking about.
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engineer cat Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:15:16pm |
anybody have a spare tube of hamster grease?
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alpuz Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:17:52pm |
re: #422 JamesWI
Meade used to troll the Isthmus forums. He was somehow involved in 'new media'. From what I understand that means anything that has to do with the interwebs or new media. He was tagged 'new media Meade' by the someone in the forum. He was about as right-wing as Sykes. That's all I know. I haven't been back there in a while.
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dragonath Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:29:04pm |
re: #420 reflections of a raging redneck
Alberta's "Wildrose Alliance" almost makes the tories look normal.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:30:36pm |
re: #410 Charles Johnson
Agree - the Tea Party did a lot to bring this kind of crazy right wing shit back into the mainstream. But really, the Tea Party is just a reflection of Fox News, and I think it's probably Fox, Rush Limbaugh, and right wing radio that's done more to empower the dumb white bigot segment of the GOP.
I honestly have never seen this level of craziness from the right, even including the Clinton years. And I'm convinced that for many of the crazies the real root cause of their derangement is simple racism. The dumb person's excuse for failure.
I'm undecided whether it's actually worse now, or if the internet has simply given it more exposure. Some pre-Internet, Clinton-era stuff I remember includes:
Ruby Ridge conspiracy theories
Waco conspiracy theories
(these two things, along with the concurrent Brady assault weapons ban, drove the NRA berserk. I don't remember the NRA being terribly crazy before that)
The rise of the militia movement
(Tim McVeigh and pals fits into all of this)
The ever-expanding Clinton Body Count
Noted lunatic Neal Horsley ran a website back in the days before the Internet was a household thing, on which he endlessly praised Paul Hill, and published home addresses of "abortionists" with crosshairs superimposed over their photographs. He also published a bizarre, but apparently sincere, rant in which he called for the secession of Georgia by means of nuclear weapons, which would somehow go like this:
1) God-fearing anti-abortion Georgians would overrun one or more facilities in Georgia where nuclear weapons are kept.
2) Secceed!
3) Threaten to nuke various targets in the non-Georgian parts of the US unless abortion is outlawed immediately.
4) ???
5) Profit! (alternatively: Jesus!)
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Decatur Deb Wed, Oct 10, 2012 6:41:55pm |
re: #426 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
I'm undecided whether it's actually worse now, or if the internet has simply given it more exposure. Some pre-Internet, Clinton-era stuff I remember includes:
Ruby Ridge conspiracy theories
Waco conspiracy theories
(these two things, along with the concurrent Brady assault weapons ban, drove the NRA berserk. I don't remember the NRA being terribly crazy before that)
The rise of the militia movement
(Tim McVeigh and pals fits into all of this)
The ever-expanding Clinton Body CountNoted lunatic Neal Horsley ran a website back in the days before the Internet was a household thing, on which he endlessly praised Paul Hill, and published home addresses of "abortionists" with crosshairs superimposed over their photographs. He also published a bizarre, but apparently sincere, rant in which he called for the secession of Georgia by means of nuclear weapons, which would somehow go like this:
1) God-fearing anti-abortion Georgians would overrun one or more facilities in Georgia where nuclear weapons are kept.
2) Secceed!
3) Threaten to nuke various targets in the non-Georgian parts of the US unless abortion is outlawed immediately.
4) ???
5) Profit! (alternatively: Jesus!)
It's probably always been this crazy, just harder to access. I can vouch for the last 60 years. Most of the weird was fostered by the Birchers in the 50's--flouride, Manchurian candidates, Commies in the White House under Eisenhower. The JBS has just handed off to AM radio and the TP bloggers.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Oct 10, 2012 9:04:42pm |
re: #420 reflections of a raging redneck
I live in Bumblefuck Canada, where the provincial population has been just under 1,000,000 for 75 years. Lately, we've become the fastest growing economy, and the second fastest growing population in the country. We've gone from a population of 980,000 to 1,080,000 in 6 years.
By the number of pick-up trucks, the new population is made up of nothing but red-necks.
We're becoming just like Alberta, which is Canada's version of Texas.
Is Calgary the Dallas equivalent and Edmonton the Houston analog? And what does that make Saskatoon? Oklahoma City or Little Rock?
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
