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1 Alexzander  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:00:04pm

FIRST ! OMG

2 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:00:10pm

When this debate's ended, Joe, take a rest. You've earned your pay.

3 freetoken  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:00:13pm

Though Joe is much more aggressive than the other candidates, I'm not sure in the big picture it will matter much. How many people are watching this?

4 freetoken  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:00:28pm

re: #1 Alexzander

red card....

5 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:00:36pm

If this were a prize fight, the ref would have stopped it about 15 minutes ao.

6 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:00:37pm
7 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:01:10pm

re: #5 makeitstop

If this were a prize fight, the ref would have stopped it about 15 minutes ao.

To cries of "Down Goes Frazier! Down Goes Frazier! Down Goes Frazier!"

8 Alexzander  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:01:17pm

re: #4 freetoken

red card....

I know I couldn't help myself. I just logged in.

9 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:01:31pm
10 elizajane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:01:33pm

Thank god the bus driver is blasting this debate over the radio system. Best commute ever!

11 Blizard  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:01:38pm

Just got back from work myself...

12 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:01:39pm

Is Ryan wishing this was a tag team match?

13 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:02:00pm

re: #6 Killgore Trout

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Wow, no qualification? No "half-true" or "mostly true"? I'm impressed, Politifact! //

14 Alexzander  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:02:01pm

re: #11 Blizard

Just got back from work myself...

Just got back from my first bottle of wine...

15 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:02:03pm

The Obama foreign policy. What a crock of shit. sound bite

16 bubba zanetti  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:02:20pm

Man, was the first debate Obama's ultimate rope-a-dope?

17 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:02:35pm

Ryan is tanking this question.

18 Tigger2  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:02:39pm

re: #12 reflections of a raging redneck

Is Ryan wishing this was a tag team match?

He's wishing it was over. lol

19 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:02:40pm
20 Blizard  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:02:41pm

Bizarre statement. Go Biden GO!!!

21 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:02:42pm

Ryan just tied himself in knots.

22 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:02:49pm

re: #13 JamesWI

Wow, no qualification? No "half-true" or "mostly true"? I'm impressed, Politifact! //

Facts are your friends when you're factually accurate.

23 Gus  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:03:03pm
24 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:03:05pm

re: #4 freetoken

red card....

let him live. (Alex - read the rules.)

25 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:03:05pm

Huge Biden win. He looks and sounds sharp, knows his shit, and is not lying.

26 Alexzander  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:03:47pm

re: #24 Blackity Black Black!

let him live. (Alex - read the rules.)

I know I know, it was a joke I've been here for years.

27 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:03:55pm

re: #10 elizajane

Thank god the bus driver is blasting this debate over the radio system. Best commute ever!

Love it!!!

28 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:03:57pm

RWNJ sez "VP debate not matter" in 3... 2... 1...

29 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:04:04pm

re: #21 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Ryan just tied himself in knots.

BS, he sounded clear.

30 Alexzander  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:04:07pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

Huge Biden win. He looks and sounds sharp, knows his shit, and is not lying.

Absolutely. Such a relief.

31 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:04:23pm

Ryan: we will also pull out of Afghanistan in 2014, we just won't announce that we are doing so.

32 Not Approved By The MPAA  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:04:24pm

Poor, poor Mini-Mitt. He just doesn't have the skills to deal with ... y'know ... facts.

33 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:04:37pm
34 DREd  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:04:38pm

If Mitt doesn't win the general Paul Ryan can kiss his career good bye. Biden is taking absolutely no shit tonight.

35 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:04:58pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

BS, he sounded clear.

You've been drinking, haven't you?

36 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:05:23pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

we agree with the 2014 timeline but we won't agree to the military timeline. not at all tying himself in knots....right.

37 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:05:28pm
38 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:05:29pm

Martha thankfully pushed back on the Afghan surge.

39 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:05:34pm

re: #34 DREd

If Mitt doesn't win the general Paul Ryan can kiss his career good bye. Biden is taking absolutely no shit tonight.

He's giving Ryan the beating that he held back from giving Palin back in '08.

40 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:05:36pm
41 The Mongoose  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:05:49pm

There's so much information flying in this debate that nearly all of the substance is going to be drowned out.

On this and other dem-leaning sites, everyone loves Biden and thinks he's winning. On GOP-leaning sites they are celebrating because Biden is "losing it" and are certain he's turning off independents.

It's going to come down to whether the average viewer sees the VP as commanding/confident, or loud/rude. I'm not making a prediction yet other than this...the polls asking "who won?" won't be anywhere near as lopsided as after the 1st Presidential debate.

42 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:05:52pm

Winter Summer Drop Names

43 garhighway  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:06:14pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

BS, he sounded clear.

Yes. The sound quality is excellent.

44 Tigger2  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:06:16pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

BS, he sounded clear.

If you think he's sounding clear, you're not thinking clear.

45 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:06:27pm

re: #35 makeitstop

You've been drinking, haven't you?

Republican Kool-Aid--made with Perrier.

46 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:06:55pm
47 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:07:11pm

chuckle, chuckle herp, derp.

48 I Am Kreniigh!  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:07:12pm

Zabul?

49 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:07:17pm

Wow, Ryan really looked and sounded like a douche there. He's flailing now.

50 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:07:22pm

Ryan, being an asshole. Try not to act like you're in fifth grade, Skippy.

51 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:07:27pm

WHOOOO

52 Blizard  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:07:29pm

uh oh

53 Tigger2  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:07:49pm

We are never going to win in Afghanistan, no one ever has.

54 freetoken  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:07:50pm

70 year old is giving the youngster a spankin'.

55 Petero1818  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:07:56pm

Afghans to do the job..........

56 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:08:01pm

re: #41 The Mongoose

There's so much information flying in this debate that nearly all of the substance is going to be drowned out.

On this and other dem-leaning sites, everyone loves Biden and thinks he's winning. On GOP-leaning sites they are celebrating because Biden is "losing it" and are certain he's turning off independents.

It's going to come down to whether the average viewer sees the VP as commanding/confident, or loud/rude. I'm not making a prediction yet other than this...the polls asking "who won?" won't be anywhere near as lopsided as after the 1st Presidential debate.

The usual aesthetics, body language, gaffes will count but the press now relies on fact checking sites for coverage of events like this. I think the facts will matter.

57 nines09  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:08:24pm

Two people on that stage are above water. It's not Ayn.

58 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:08:34pm
59 The Mongoose  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:09:04pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

The usual aesthetics, body language, gaffes will count but the press now relies on fact checking sites for coverage of events like this. I think the facts will matter.

I don't but that's a total guess. Either way it's the VP debate...more about riling up the base and the donors than about changing anyone's mind. On that score, Biden is doing very well.

60 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:09:07pm

Smart Politico - Biden. Been there, is there. Trust, compared to the "loose talk"

61 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:09:20pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

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They just don't want to announce what has already been announced.

62 Blizard  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:09:27pm

That's the fact Jack!

63 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:09:33pm
64 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:09:36pm

David Axelrod needs to sit Barack in front of a TV "A Clockwork Orange" style and have him watch this debate for the next 48 hours.

65 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:09:36pm

Syria is actually smaller in terms of land area. Most of Libya is desert, but Biden is still wrong. Still, Biden does sound good. But he's BSing again.

66 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:09:40pm

re: #58 Killgore Trout

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True because they agree with Obama.

67 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:09:42pm
68 Major Tom  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:09:49pm

first ad for Biden 2016?

69 diamonda2u  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:10:31pm

re: #53 Tigger2

We are never going to win in Afghanistan, no one ever has.

BINGO!!!

70 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:10:50pm

re: #64 JamesWI

David Axelrod needs to sit Barack in front of a TV "A Clockwork Orange" style and have him watch this debate for the next 48 hours.

I would think the president too busy for that.

71 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:10:53pm

re: #68 Major Tom

first ad for Biden 2016?

This is " A noun, a verb, and 9/11" times 1000.

72 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:10:55pm

Oooh teh eebil Russkies. Remember it's not the USSR any more.

73 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:10:59pm

re: #59 The Mongoose

I don't but that's a total guess. Either way it's the VP debate...more about riling up the base and the donors than about changing anyone's mind. On that score, Biden is doing very well.

I think it's a sign of hope on the heels of Obama's poor performance last week. Biden needed at least a tie tonight to stop Mitt's rise in the polls. A loss tonight could have been bad.

74 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:11:05pm

WAR

75 danarchy  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:11:05pm

re: #64 JamesWI

David Axelrod needs to sit Barack in front of a TV "A Clockwork Orange" style and have him watch this debate for the next 48 hours.

If Barack tried to do what Joe is doing tonight he would fail miserably. He isn't a flamethrower and trying to fake it wouldn't work for him.

76 Petero1818  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:11:08pm

Bomb Russia!!!!

77 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:11:32pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

I would think the president too busy for that.

Actually, I hear he's cleared his schedule.

78 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:11:33pm

Ryan, if you wanna send troops, just say so. Stop this shit about how you'd do something different, but not what you'd do.

79 diamonda2u  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:11:45pm

re: #75 danarchy

If Barack tried to do what Joe is doing tonight he would fail miserably. He isn't a flamethrower and trying to fake it wouldn't work for him.

True, but he has his own style he can use with calling Mittens out when he lies and proclaiming his accomplishments

80 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:11:45pm
81 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:11:50pm

Kofi Annan? Hello, Paul, it's Ban Ki Moon!

82 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:11:53pm

re: #74 Blackity Black Black!

WAR

No one's warmongering. Not Ryan and not Biden.

83 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:11:54pm

We GAVE Russia veto powers?

84 garhighway  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:12:08pm

re: #71 moderatelyradicalliberal

This is " A noun, a verb, and 9/11" times 1000.

That was my favorite line of 2008.

85 I Am Kreniigh!  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:12:13pm

Wait, was number 2 "yes" or "bomb Russia"?

86 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:12:27pm

re: #81 Sheila Broflovski

Kofi Annan? Hello, Paul, it's Ban Ki Moon!

I thought that was wrong!

87 The Mongoose  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:12:28pm

re: #75 danarchy

If Barack tried to do what Joe is doing tonight he would fail miserably. He isn't a flamethrower and trying to fake it wouldn't work for him.

Exactly right. Obama attempting this sort of debate posture would be a horrible mistake.

88 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:12:31pm

re: #75 danarchy

If Barack tried to do what Joe is doing tonight he would fail miserably. He isn't a flamethrower and trying to fake it wouldn't work for him.

I'm not saying he needs to copy him note for note, but he can see how to call someone out for his bullshit without being too passive.

89 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:12:50pm

re: #81 Sheila Broflovski

Kofi Annan? Hello, Paul, it's Ban Ki Moon!

Annan was the one pushing the peace plan in Syria. He just isn't Secretary General anymore.

90 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:12:58pm
91 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:13:02pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

Syria is actually smaller in terms of land area. Most of Libya is desert, but Biden is still wrong. Still, Biden does sound good. But he's BSing again.

Have you thoght about changing your handle to Baghdad Bob?

92 Batman  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:13:04pm

Obama isn't going to copy Biden, much as we'd like him to. This is how campaigns work. Biden is the attack dog, and Obama has to be diplomatic and reserved.

93 Blizard  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:13:09pm

Ryan said slaughter twice in less than 2 minutes.

FEAR!

derp

94 Achilles Tang  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:13:15pm

We give Russia a veto? Talk about dog whistle to the black helicopter crowd.

95 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:13:22pm

re: #75 danarchy

If Barack tried to do what Joe is doing tonight he would fail miserably. He isn't a flamethrower and trying to fake it wouldn't work for him.

Right Joe is doing what works for Joe. Willard did what works for him (lying). The president needs to be his cool smart self, but more aggressive in calling Romney on his bullshit.

96 aagcobb  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:13:32pm

re: #92 Batman

Obama isn't going to copy Biden, much as we'd like him to. This is how campaigns work. Biden is the attack dog, and Obama has to be diplomatic and reserved.

But not catatonic.

97 Major Tom  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:13:41pm

This is like in Rocky V when when learn that Rocky is really a street fighter at heart.

98 Blizard  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:13:59pm

Ryan doesn't know humanitarian

99 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:14:07pm

Joe makes me think of a grandfather listening to his grandson run off at the mouth. He wants so much to backhand him, but knows he can't do it while they're in public.

100 steve_davis  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:14:10pm

re: #9 Lidane

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And then Ryan said to Biden, "Who do you think you are to challenge me? I am a God!" And then Biden picked him up by the feet and proceeded to body whip him into the floor half-a-dozen times.

101 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:14:22pm

Nice GOTCHA with Iraq, Paul. You nailed Biden on not getting that agreement.

102 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:14:28pm
103 mr.fusion  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:14:32pm

re: #92 Batman

Obama isn't going to copy Biden, much as we'd like him to. This is how campaigns work. Biden is the attack dog, and Obama has to be diplomatic and reserved.

Obama just can't do it without coming off a little arrogant.

I'm a big supporter of the President, but this is just Joe Biden being Joe Biden...Obama needs to go out and do his thing

104 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:14:48pm

WOMEN

105 krypto  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:15:02pm

What does once calling Assad a "reformer" have to do with anything now?

106 Gus  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:15:09pm

Oh jeez.

107 Jdorfma4  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:15:22pm

ugh, forget god crap. Address women's health already. c'mon Martha.

108 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:15:24pm

re: #105 krypto

What does once calling Assad a "reformer" have to do with anything now?

Past only matters if your name ends with "Obama."

109 Blizard  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:15:31pm

I am not vulnerable.

110 Mocking Jay  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:15:47pm

oboy

111 RadicalModerate  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:15:49pm

One question.

Why does religion mean a damn thing on women's rights issues?

112 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:15:52pm
113 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:15:52pm

The Randian, talking about taking care of the vulnerable. Irony overload.

114 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:15:53pm

Saint Ayn is not in the Catholic calendar.

115 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:16:10pm

To me, the religious PUKE (sorry)

116 I Am Kreniigh!  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:16:16pm

Human Bean!

117 freetoken  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:16:26pm

As he said "bean", Ryan looked a whole lot like... Mr. Bean.

118 Alexzander  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:16:27pm

re: #113 makeitstop

The Randian, talking about taking care of the vulnerable. Irony overload.

He pretends to have renounced Rand.

119 Blizard  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:16:31pm

Curt Cobain and Courtney Love named their kid Bean, too

120 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:16:36pm

re: #103 mr.fusion

Obama just can't do it without coming off a little arrogant.

I'm a big supporter of the President, but this is just Joe Biden being Joe Biden...Obama needs to go out and do his thing

Barack doesn't need to be someone else. He just needs to be his best because his best is really, really good.

121 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:16:45pm

re: #116 I Am Kreniigh!

Human Bean!

We call our son the Peanut for the exact same reason, but Ryan is still a douche.

122 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:16:45pm

such a liar

123 Jdorfma4  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:16:52pm

ok she got it in there, through the religious veil. good job, but I would appreciate a more direct question on this.

124 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:17:06pm

oh and hes failing

BIDEN, CANT WAIT

125 Major Tom  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:17:36pm

All the Democrats that were like, "Stop with the horse-race!" are now like, "AND HE'S IN THE LEAD!"

126 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:17:40pm

Openly explaining his being pro-life. Stand tall, Paul, and you're right to do so. Biden would have attacked you on it anyways, so you're right to stand into it.

127 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:17:44pm

Now he's gone from Jack Nicholson to Clint Eastwood.

128 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:17:54pm

Biden is at his best when he lowers his voice and gets quiet and personal.

129 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:17:56pm

Here we go again with the wingnut talking points. In Paul Ryan's world "religious freedom" means the freedom to deprive others of their freedoms.

130 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:18:01pm

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

Nice GOTCHA with Iraq, Paul. You nailed Biden on not getting that agreement.

The agreement Romney objected to you mean? Obama kept our word and us out, Romney called that his "signature failure."

131 Sionainn  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:18:25pm

"I refuse to impose my beliefs on others." YES!

132 mr.fusion  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:18:31pm
133 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:18:37pm
134 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:18:39pm

re: #122 Blackity Black Black!

such a liar

How was that answer a lie?

135 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:18:40pm

Biden's response killing it with the CNN undecided voters, while Ryan's fizzled.

136 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:18:46pm

Biden lowering the volume--nice modulation.

137 aagcobb  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:18:58pm

re: #130 goddamnedfrank

The agreement Romney objected to you mean? Obama kept our word and us out, Romney called that his "signature failure."

Yea, arguing we should still be in Iraq sounds like a real winner of an issue to me./

138 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:19:33pm

Biden the bomb

139 nines09  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:19:44pm

re: #134 Dark_Falcon

Here is your life raft. It is real sized. This is the actual size,________ No oar. Sorry

140 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:19:59pm

re: #137 aagcobb

Yea, arguing we should still be in Iraq sounds like a real winner of an issue to me./

Republicans like masturbating to the prospect of US soldiers dying pointlessly in unwelcome lands.

141 SpaceJesus  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:20:42pm

That's unconstitutional Mr. Ryan you dipshit

142 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:21:06pm

re: #139 nines09

Here is your life raft. It is real sized. This is the actual size,________ No oar. Sorry

What?

143 Blizard  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:21:13pm

Just listening to sound, not watching on TV. Biden sounds like a gangster.

144 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:21:14pm

Speaking of the Hulk:

145 diamonda2u  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:21:26pm

Joe got him. I love JOE!!!!!!!

146 sagehen  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:21:31pm

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

Nice GOTCHA with Iraq, Paul. You nailed Biden on not getting that agreement.

You mean the agreement that was negotiated and signed by the Bush Administration?

147 Jdorfma4  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:21:42pm

wow, Ryan with a terrible answer. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb discussing dinner after all. This nation would too terrible things to minorities if they were allowed to do so via the ballot box. We'd outlaw islam for sure.

148 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:21:43pm

So, I'm now doing research on the economics of cost-free contraception and comprehensive sex education. The economic impact of this outweighs all the other topics discussed. More people, more disease, more health care required. More children, less women in the workforce.

Why is this so hard for the GOP to grasp.

Need of serfs?

149 Petero1818  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:21:47pm

Ryan, rule #1. Do not ask a question you don't know the answer to.

150 Sionainn  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:22:10pm

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

Openly explaining his being pro-life. Stand tall, Paul, and you're right to do so. Biden would have attacked you on it anyways, so you're right to stand into it.

I don't give a damn if Ryan is anti-choice and thinks life begins at conception. What I take exception to is him wanting me to live by his beliefs. No fucking way.

151 nines09  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:22:14pm

re: #142 Dark_Falcon

Debate. My POV.

152 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:22:45pm
153 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:22:50pm

This is a weird question, don't know if either prepared for this one. Raddatz keeping them on their toes.

154 Blizard  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:22:54pm

End it with 47%.

155 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:22:56pm

re: #146 sagehen

You mean the agreement that was negotiated and signed by the Bush Administration?

No, the status of forces agreement that would have left training forces in Iraq.

156 I Am Kreniigh!  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:23:00pm

return of teh 47%!!!

157 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:23:10pm

On my fb from Miss Revolution: Unable to separate his private and public selves makes Paul Ryan a wannabe POPE.

158 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:23:21pm

Back to the 47%. Biden is starting a classic recap.

159 aagcobb  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:23:33pm

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

No, the status of forces agreement that would have left training forces in Iraq.

Then our troops could have been fragged by the Iraqis they were training just like in Afghanistan.

160 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:23:42pm
161 Jdorfma4  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:24:14pm

I don't love the final answer from Biden. I would have acknowledged the negative campaign and say it is saddening and then link it to Citizen's United directly.

162 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:24:21pm

re: #153 JamesWI

This is a weird question, don't know if either prepared for this one. Raddatz keeping them on their toes.

I think she's trying to get an honest moment. That's not going to happen, it's kind of pointless to try but I guess one of them could score big points with a heartfelt answer. I doubt either will.

163 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:24:26pm

re: #154 Blizard

End it with 47%.

Indeed. And Romney has made clear that he wasn't including the military in the '47%' he was referring to.

164 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:24:43pm

God Ryan is nasally. Can't stand listening to him.

165 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:24:51pm

Didn't the national highway system come from the Pentagon Budget. OK, let's use the funds they have now to invest in the infrastructure of the country. Jobs, and continued commerce! win-win --no?

166 Blizard  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:24:54pm

LIAR!

167 I Am Kreniigh!  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:24:54pm

Waaa, Obama is trying to winnnnn...!

168 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:25:02pm

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. And Romney has made clear that he wasn't including the military in the '47%' he was referring to.

You mean after he got caught making such comments to begin with?

169 Coracle  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:25:02pm

This debate won't move anything. Both sides will declare victory, and nobody in the middle will be moved.

170 Major Tom  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:25:02pm

Show us Your Abs!

171 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:25:07pm

CNN's undecided voters hating this Ryan answer so far, paradoxically, it's the men who really don't like it.

172 Charles Johnson  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:25:09pm

Here we go again with the lies.

173 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:25:11pm

re: #163 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. And Romney has made clear that he wasn't including the military in the '47%' he was referring to.

Then it isn't 47%.

174 RadicalModerate  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:25:23pm

Wow. Undecided MEN are not liking Ryan's statements at all.

175 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:25:30pm
176 Mocking Jay  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:25:35pm

What happened to Joe's voice? He sounds like he's auditioning for a new Nolan Batman movie...

177 diamonda2u  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:25:35pm

Chris Rock ‏@chrisrockoz

I'd rather have Joe Biden a heartbeat away from the Presidency. I'd rather have Ryan a heartbeat away from making my salad at Olive Garden.

178 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:25:43pm

re: #171 JamesWI

CNN's undecided voters hating this Ryan answer so far, paradoxically, it's the men who really don't like it.

Probably falls under "excuse-making."

179 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:25:44pm

re: #168 Targetpractice

You mean after he got caught making such comments to begin with?

Yep it was still an asshole comment to characterize 47% of the population as victims. Fuck ROmney so hard for htat.

180 freetoken  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:25:45pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

I think it is a waste of time.

Wish we had a real interlocutor to ask tough questions, and when the candidate answers, not let them get away with vague references but make them back up their statements.

181 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:25:52pm

How Biden is looking at Ryan.

[Link: d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net...]

182 Alexzander  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:25:58pm

re: #174 RadicalModerate

Wow. Undecided MEN are not liking Ryan's statements at all.

Are you watching the CNN feed?

183 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:26:00pm

Oh shit, Ryan just talked about his budget plans.....fucking destroy him Joe.

184 Coracle  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:26:04pm

Ryan is the best of the four candidates at lying with a straight face, though.

185 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:26:16pm

Romney has NO PLAN to cut the national debt. NO PLAN, NOTHING.

186 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:26:22pm

re: #173 Decatur Deb

Then it isn't 47%.

Romney chooses not to include anybody he's currently speaking to in the 47%.

187 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:26:24pm
188 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:26:37pm

re: #169 Coracle

This debate won't move anything. Both sides will declare victory, and nobody in the middle will be moved.

I think that's good for Obama. Stop the bleeding from the last debate and hope to gain ground later. A Biden loss tonight could have been bad.

189 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:26:39pm

re: #177 diamonda2u

Chris Rock ‏@chrisrockoz

I'd rather have Joe Biden a heartbeat away from the Presidency. I'd rather have Ryan a heartbeat away from making my salad at Olive Garden.

Only 30 hrs per wk.

190 Jdorfma4  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:26:39pm

Ryan when asked about a negative campaign: Obama sucks!

they both flubbed the close though.

191 aagcobb  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:26:44pm

re: #185 Sheila Broflovski

Romney has NO PLAN to cut the national debt. NO PLAN, NOTHING.

Its a seekrit

192 diamonda2u  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:26:47pm

Ryan sounds like a whiner now!

193 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:27:00pm

Good answer, Paul. But it wasn't his night.

194 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:27:11pm

re: #192 diamonda2u

Ryan sounds like a whiner now!

"They're being mean to us!"

195 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:27:12pm
196 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:27:12pm

re: #150 Sionainn

I don't give a damn if Ryan is anti-choice and thinks life begins at conception. What I take exception to is him wanting me to live by his beliefs. No fucking way.

He has to. In his mind everyone who disagrees is, at best, advocating murder. That's what it means to vote for a modern Republican, it means tacit support for this kind of unyielding dogmatic extremism.

197 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:27:17pm

re: #185 Sheila Broflovski

Romney has NO PLAN to cut the national debt. NO PLAN, NOTHING.

What do you mean. He's going to close loopholes. LOOPHOLES PEOPLE.

198 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:27:17pm

re: #183 JamesWI

Oh shit, Ryan just talked about his budget plans.....fucking destroy him Joe.

Hell yes Joe.

199 RadicalModerate  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:27:38pm

I've said this before.

It's kind of hard to "bring people together" when one side has stated its only goal is to kneecap the Obama administration at every turn and make him a one-term president, no matter what proposal comes up.

200 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:27:48pm

re: #197 Ghost of Tom Joad

What do you mean. He's going to close loopholes. LOOPHOLES PEOPLE.

Oh, and stop funding PBS.

201 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:27:55pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

The usual aesthetics, body language, gaffes will count but the press now relies on fact checking sites for coverage of events like this. I think the facts will matter.

If the facts matter, then Obama won the first debate handily.

202 Blizard  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:28:01pm

LIAR!!

203 DREd  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:28:01pm

come on, no need for this personal character pap. It was getting good!

204 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:28:08pm

re: #199 RadicalModerate

I've said this before.

It's kind of hard to "bring people together" when one side has stated its only goal is to kneecap the Obama administration at every turn and make him a one-term president, no matter what proposal comes up.

Waterloo.

205 Blizard  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:28:35pm

Biden's turn. Come on now. I'm so sick of the lies and propoganda

206 aagcobb  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:28:36pm

Yes, Orioles survive the 8th inning, going to the 9th tied 1-1!

207 Destro  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:28:41pm

re: #101 Dark_Falcon

Nice GOTCHA with Iraq, Paul. You nailed Biden on not getting that agreement.

Ryan fell into a trap of saying shit to sound tough when he said he wanting Americans to fight in the most dangerous part of Eastern Afghanistan rather than Afghans.

208 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:28:49pm

Note to self: Do not drink caffeinated drinks during a debate.

209 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:28:54pm

re: #180 freetoken

I think it is a waste of time.

Wish we had a real interlocutor to ask tough questions, and when the candidate answers, not let them get away with vague references but make them back up their statements.

Agreed but American politicians generally don't speak off the cuff or gice unscripted answers. It's all a carefully scripted advertising campaign. I don't think the public would respond positively to honest unscripted answers.

210 Sionainn  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:28:59pm

re: #196 goddamnedfrank

He has to. In his mind everyone who disagrees is, at best, advocating murder. That's what it means to vote for a modern Republican, it mean tacit support for this kind of unyielding dogmatic extremism.

If they really, truly believe that, then exceptions wouldn't be acceptable, either.

211 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:29:00pm
212 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:29:38pm

re: #169 Coracle

This debate won't move anything. Both sides will declare victory, and nobody in the middle will be moved.

That's what we said after the first debate, and the polls went crazy. And Biden destroyed Paul tonight even worse than Romney beat Obama.

I would be SHOCKED to see it "move nothing." It probably won't get the polls back to the levels they were before the first debate, but there's no way Obama doesn't get a bounce from this.

213 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:29:50pm

re: #210 Sionainn

If they really, truly believe that, then exceptions wouldn't be acceptable, either.

Which is why Biden knocked him about agreeing with Romney's current position now, because he knows Ryan's lying his ass off.

214 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:30:06pm

Mara Liasson on NPR's Morning Edition tomorrow: "Paul Ryan resonated with many, but Joe Biden was mean to him."

215 freetoken  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:30:07pm

re: #209 Killgore Trout

I just wish there was a real debate, and I for one would appreciate visuals - this is television is it not?

216 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:30:23pm

re: #212 JamesWI

That's what we said after the first debate, and the polls went crazy. And Biden destroyed Paul tonight even worse than Romney beat Obama.

I would be SHOCKED to see it "move nothing." It probably won't get the polls back to the levels they were before the first debate, but there's no way Obama doesn't get a bounce from this.

If it does nothing more than stop Romney's rise in the polls, that's a start.

217 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:30:25pm

Scranton, our first (hahahahah) drink!

218 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:30:25pm

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

No, the status of forces agreement that would have left training forces in Iraq.

The Iraqis flat out refused to continue granting immunity. It's curious that Romney and you Republicans never specify what kind of coercive measures should have been brought to bear. Chickenhawks just want to keep our soldiers in harms way, where they're completely unwelcome.

219 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:30:27pm

Ending just in time. Biden's voice is shot.

220 DREd  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:30:27pm

Biden going for the kill shot.

221 diamonda2u  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:30:31pm

Biden is working that 47%... he has to make up for President Obama missing it last week.

222 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:30:37pm

re: #214 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Mara Liasson on NPR's Morning Edition tomorrow: "Paul Ryan resonated with many, but Joe Biden was mean to him."

She's a FOX news hack.

223 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:30:52pm

It's like Ryan finally has open and broad questions so he can pivot to talking points. He didn't get that opportunity the first 80 minutes. And it showed in his lack of preparation.

Biden was a little too aggressive interrupting, but otherwise he seemed mostly on point and concise.

224 freetoken  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:30:54pm

re: #214 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Mean old man, that Joe Biden.

225 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:30:58pm
226 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:31:06pm

doomed

227 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:31:10pm
228 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:31:11pm

More baloney than a butcher shop.

229 Sionainn  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:31:20pm

re: #219 Killgore Trout

Ending just in time. Biden's voice is shot.

That's what I was thinking...he's lost his voice.

230 nines09  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:31:27pm

Joe Biden just let the fools know that Joe is no fool. Fool.re: #222 moderatelyradicalliberal

She's a FOX news hack.

Here's what Paul meant to say....

231 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:31:29pm

re: #180 freetoken

I think it is a waste of time.

Wish we had a real interlocutor to ask tough questions, and when the candidate answers, not let them get away with vague references but make them back up their statements.

That would still be a waste of time, really. We know these people's positions. We know the inconsistencies in their positions. Anyone who wants to be informed has, anyway. There's far too much to cover in a debate. And, as Romney proved, you can just take entirely new positions for the debate anyway.

It's always going to be theater. The only selection process it really has is for people who can perform and razzle-dazzle. If that's important for the presidency-- and it kind of is-- then it's a good test, but that's all it is.

232 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:31:44pm

re: #215 freetoken

I just wish there was a real debate, and I for one would appreciate visuals - this is television is it not?

It's a cultural thing. These debates aren't actual debates in the real sense of the word. It's a scripted event. Kabuki theater.

233 Sionainn  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:31:44pm

LOL! They want to "earn" my support. I don't think so.

234 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:31:47pm

re: #219 Killgore Trout

Ending just in time. Biden's voice is shot.

I think that was on purpose. It's "Grandpa Joe" talking to the American people. When his voice got really hushed, you could see the undecided voters going up on that chart.

235 RadicalModerate  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:31:57pm

Paul Ryan sounds like a damn televangelist right now.

236 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:32:00pm

re: #229 Sionainn

That's what I was thinking...he's lost his voice.

Rhetoric.

237 Blizard  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:32:09pm

Twice for 'uniquely qualified'. Drink!

JOBS twice. Double drink!

238 Petero1818  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:32:10pm

How many times has he said "uniquely qualified".

239 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:32:30pm
240 diamonda2u  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:32:34pm

Founding principles??? Does that mean I go back to slavery??

241 Blizard  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:32:39pm

re: #238 Petero1818

How many times has he said "uniquely qualified".

GMTA!

242 Tigger2  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:32:42pm

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

More baloney than a butcher shop.

Yep Ryan was laying in on thick.

243 freetoken  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:32:49pm

re: #231 Obdicut

We know these people's positions. We know the inconsistencies in their positions.

WE here are a select (self-selected) minority of the population.

Most people don't have nearly the time/resources/education to keep up with these things like some of us here.

244 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:33:09pm

re: #210 Sionainn

If they really, truly believe that, then exceptions wouldn't be acceptable, either.

They aren't. That's Ryan's stance. That's the GOP platform. It's Romney's stance too when he's talking to James Dobson, but he's got the good sense to lie about his position in public. Only an idiot would trust the guy though, even D_F admitted that he stands for nothing but his own ambition.

245 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:33:16pm

re: #239 Lidane

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LOL! Is that his real twitter. Lots of fake out their.

246 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:33:23pm

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

More baloney than a butcher shop.

More sour grapes than a ......sour grape...patch.

247 nines09  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:33:25pm

re: #242 Tigger2

Yep Ryan was laying in on thick.

Ryan brought a few different varieties.

248 RadicalModerate  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:33:39pm

re: #239 Lidane

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Of course you do Karl. You want someone who won't call you out on your team's blatant bullshit.

249 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:33:42pm

re: #240 diamonda2u

Founding principles??? Does that mean I go back to slavery??

At least you don't get a smallpox blanket.

250 Gus  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:34:01pm

Gawd. That final statement from Ryan. So weird.

251 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:34:03pm
252 Petero1818  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:34:04pm

Wolf blitzer just called it a draw????

253 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:34:06pm

Wolf Blitzer says it's a draw.....you fucking hack.

254 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:34:09pm

Ryan closes with a completely canned speech that unfortunately for him also sounds like a canned speech, stilted and insincere.

255 makeitstop  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:34:15pm

Blitzer calls it a draw. Time to turn off the TV.

256 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:34:17pm

Wolf Blitzer just said the debate was a draw. Now I know Biden won.

257 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:34:33pm

re: #243 freetoken

WE here are a select (self-selected) minority of the population.

Most people don't have nearly the time/resources/education to keep up with these things like some of us here.

A debate would still not be the right way to get that info. It'll be an incredibly narrow window, and people can just be saying what they want for that day.

Debates are not an effective or good way of informing the populace about positions of political parties or candidates. They are good ways of exploring political themes, like "Should we have universal health care?" but only if they're approached actually seriously as a debate, rather than campaigning.

258 nines09  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:34:45pm

Pleasant evenings. Later Lizards.

259 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:34:46pm

Good enough. Joe didn't suck, I think he won. That stops the bleeding for now but Obama needs to do better next week.

260 erik_t  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:34:52pm

Snap reactions? I've been watching football, but it's at half.

261 Destro  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:34:56pm

I don't get how seniors can be swayed with the GOP argument that the GOP won't touch their SS and medicare but their kids and grandkids will get some sort of voucher program the seniors themselves would reject if applied to them.

262 Sionainn  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:35:00pm

re: #254 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Ryan closes with a completely canned speech that unfortunately for him also sounds like a canned speech, stilted and insincere.

Sounds like someone running for student body president in high school.

263 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:35:03pm

Bret Baier looks like he's about to cry.....fucking awesome.

264 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:35:07pm

I can see it now. "Joe Biden was mean to poor Paul Ryan".

265 renata39.5  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:35:37pm

Well, that was fun, especially with this entertaining commentary thread. :-P

Enjoyed Raddatz a great deal.

Biden kept a grin on my face the whole time. Excellent performance. I really enjoyed seeing Ryan rattled. Good stuff. Good stuff.

266 freetoken  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:35:38pm

re: #259 Killgore Trout

Does anyone make their vote based on the #2?

267 aagcobb  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:35:43pm

re: #261 Destro

I don't get how seniors can be swayed with the GOP argument that the GOP won't touch their SS and medicare but their kids and grandkids will get some sort of voucher program the seniors themselves would reject if applied to them.

I guess the GOP is counting on them being selfish bastards.

268 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:35:53pm

Watching CNN's post-debate. But I don't agree with Wolf Blitzer. This debate wasn't a draw. Paul Ryan came on strong at the end, but this is at least a Biden Marginal Victory, and may rank higher as a Substantial Victory.

269 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:36:11pm

Megyn Kelly stumbling over her words......Man, this beating must have been even worse than I thought.

270 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:36:14pm

re: #255 makeitstop

Blitzer calls it a draw. Time to turn off the TV.

Maybe. I think it was a Biden win but not by as big of a margin as Mitt's win last week.

271 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:36:15pm

I thought Biden tore Ryan apart. Answered the lies and pushed back.

272 Decatur Deb  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:36:32pm

re: #261 Destro

I don't get how seniors can be swayed with the GOP argument that the GOP won't touch their SS and medicare but their kids and grandkids will get some sort of voucher program the seniors themselves would reject if applied to them.

We can't.

273 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:36:44pm

re: #271 Mr. Crankypants

I thought Biden tore Ryan apart. Answered the lies and pushed back.

Line of the night (to me): "Oh, so now you're Jack Kennedy?"

274 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:37:07pm

Listening from the other room, I thought Ryan sounded arrogant. Biden sounded like his usual doofus self, yet more sincere.

275 DREd  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:37:28pm

Joe Trippi-Biden smirked too much. Well there you have it.

276 krypto  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:37:31pm

It's time to check Fox Nation and read the whining -- I can already predict all the outrage about how Biden kept laughing at Ryan's whoppers.

277 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:37:35pm

Fox complaining about Biden smiling, though the one guy did at least admit he had a "good debate."

278 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:38:16pm

I think this says it all:

279 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:38:35pm

One guy on Fox talking about how Paul Ryan had a "very sincere thank you at the beginning of his closing statement."

He's seriously talking about Ryan thanking people. Jesus Christ, this is awesome.

280 erik_t  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:39:18pm

re: #278 bratwurst

Jim Lehrer can piss off. If he wants to be a member of the audience, he's welcome to.

281 Patricia Kayden  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:39:27pm

Thank goodness for VP Biden. President Obama needs to bring it next week.

282 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:39:31pm

re: #266 freetoken

Does anyone make their vote based on the #2?

Usually the VP debate is meaningless but I think a lot of people, most importantly the press, were a bit shocked by Mitt's win last week. A Biden loss tonight might have been interpreted as a sign that the Obama camp has lost the plot. At least now the political coverage will have some equilibrium. A Biden loss tonight might have lead to a week's worth of "WTF is wrong with Obama" coverage.

283 Sionainn  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:39:36pm

re: #266 freetoken

Does anyone make their vote based on the #2?

There were a lot of people who didn't vote for McCain after he chose Palin.

284 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:39:46pm

After the first debate, Fox had Hannity on looking like it was election day and Romney just won. The look of smug satisfaction on his face was sickening.

Tonight it's just somber. Awesome.

285 krypto  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:39:59pm

I thought Biden's smirk was very effective -- it was like an instant Lie Alert when Ryan out-talked Biden and he was having a hard time getting in his rebuttal any other way, and it was a lot more effective than Obama's response of looking down instead and acting as if he had no reply to offer to the Romney whoppers.

286 Petero1818  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:40:00pm

Gergen, just said on substance a draw. On style he gave it to Ryan. I have to tell you, I like Gergen. I think he is smart. I don't get this.

287 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:40:08pm

re: #35 makeitstop

You've been drinking, haven't you?

I'm guessing no, but I'm sure that Dark wishes he had.

288 Gus  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:40:44pm
289 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:41:01pm

David Gergen just said Ryan won on style.

If you didn't think the MSM was in the tank for the R/R ticket, now you know it.

290 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:41:01pm

Brit Hume now whining about the "smirking." And saying it could cost Biden the debate.

Funny how Mitt Romney's smirks didn't get the same reaction from Fox. Shocking.

291 palomino  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:41:23pm

re: #6 Killgore Trout

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Yes, $2 trillion of extra military spending will certainly help cut the deficit.

But those allegedly prinicpled tea partiers won't care. If their guy gets in, they'll look the other way on the debt, since that was never their biggest objection anyway. It was having the other side, especially when helmed by a black guy, make any decisions about how "their" money gets spent. And the far right sees no problem in further blowing up the deficit if the reason is to increase military spending. (Only the Paultards see that as an issue, in an idiotic way that just goes to the other extreme.)

292 freetoken  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:41:24pm

re: #282 Killgore Trout

I really don't know what is meant by a "win" when people discuss these "debates".

As near as I could tell tonight, Biden had the mission of raising the "47%" phrase as often as possible, to try and keep it in the light, for the majority of the voters who still haven't heard about it or understand it.

293 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:41:31pm

re: #289 moderatelyradicalliberal

David Gergen just said Ryan won on style.

If you didn't think the MSM was in the tank for the R/R ticket, now you know it.

What channel is that?

294 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:41:41pm

re: #290 JamesWI

Brit Hume now whining about the "smirking." And saying it could cost Biden the debate.

Funny how Mitt Romney's smirks didn't get the same reaction from Fox. Shocking.

That's different. THat was Mitt Romney.

295 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:41:44pm

re: #277 JamesWI

Fox complaining about Biden smiling, though the one guy did at least admit he had a "good debate."

I was worried about that too. He looked like a total douche while listening but he came off well while talking so it didn't come off that bad. IF he had been flustered while speaking or made some serious gaffes it could have been a disaster.

296 sagehen  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:41:47pm

re: #227 Sheila Broflovski

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Is that why she's not here tonight, she's on twitter instead? That triggers my abandonment issues.

297 erik_t  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:41:51pm

re: #289 moderatelyradicalliberal

David Gergen just said Ryan won on style.

If you didn't think the MSM was in the tank for the R/R ticket, now you know it.

They're in the tank for whoever is behind at the moment. I do honestly believe that everyone short of Fox would be pushing hard for Obama if he were solidly down. Their kingdom for a to-the-wire horse race.

We're not the audience. We're the product.

298 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:41:53pm
299 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:42:03pm

My first Impression was a Moderate Biden win. I found his interruptions annoying honestly, but much less annoying than the CNN talking heads think.

Ryan didn't do poorly. But I don't think he was quite ready for the attack from Biden.

300 erik_t  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:42:19pm

re: #298 Lidane

Was it worth it?

301 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:42:34pm

re: #288 Gus

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Aren't facts fun when they're on our side?

302 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:42:47pm

re: #272 Decatur Deb

We can't.

Don't be so sure. I actually worry that my mother is voting this year. Mild to moderate dementia --scary shit.

She and my Dear Ole' Departed Dad had excellent treatment from Medicare. I have absolutely no complaints. Doctors know what they can and cannot do and get paid by Medicare. I don't feel their treatment has been compromised in any way.

But, my Dad didn't want treatment. He was content to let nature take it's course. He went thru chemo once and said he wouldn't do it again. When it came back, doctors actually wanted to do more tests etc. He said no. So, it seems Medicare would have paid for much more than he thought he wanted.

Mom is the same. People who want to be kept alive at all costs, maybe they will be disapointed. Frankly, I've been raised to think that death is the natural progression of life. If you don't have the quality of life you want and there is little chance it can return (i.e. you have cancer in 3 organs and your spine) --please give me good drugs and take away all life support.

There was an old lady in the room next to my Dad, who I guess didn't have a living will. Man, what we heard from that room made me glad my Dad was drugged out. I would never put my family thru that. I wouldn't want to be in that situation. I don't believe in heaven, but then again, I haven't lived my life in such a way that I'd worry either way.

I think I may have DNR tatooed above my heart.

303 freetoken  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:42:50pm

re: #297 erik_t

The media wants a horse race to maximize expenditures by campaigns on advertisements.

304 C-Punch !!!  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:43:10pm

Ryan looked like the kid caught in a lie the whole night.
But at least he didn't go, "say it ain't..." something stupid that I wish I could forget.

305 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:43:13pm

I do agree with the CNN analyst who said: "Biden came in with a mission; He had to buy his boss a week till the next debate and he did that." Biden stood firm and fought hard. I though he was an ass at times and I think that'll knock this down to a marginal victory for the Dems, but it is still a win. The line Biden had to hold, he held.

306 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:43:20pm

The VP debate result is obvious:

307 Alexzander  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:43:21pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

Maybe. I think it was a Biden win but not by as big of a margin as Mitt's win last week.

Agreed. But we may never see a win by the margin of the last debate in our lifetimes.

308 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:43:38pm

re: #297 erik_t

They're in the tank for whoever is behind at the moment. I do honestly believe that everyone short of Fox would be pushing hard for Obama if he were solidly down. Their kingdom for a to-the-wire horse race.

We're not the audience. We're the product.

They lost their Romney comeback story way too soon and they seem sad about it.

309 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:43:53pm

re: #306 Lidane

The VP debate result is obvious:

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We can't say Ryan won it with a straight face, so let's remind you how badly Obama did.

Yegods.

310 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:44:07pm

re: #299 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

My first Impression was a Moderate Biden win. I found his interruptions annoying honestly, but much less annoying than the CNN talking heads think.

Ryan didn't do poorly. But I don't think he was quite ready for the attack from Biden.

GMTA

311 freetoken  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:44:11pm

re: #302 ggt

Yeah, I suspect my mother is voting this year (by mail), and she's half way to dementia (still has good long term memory but her short term memory is very poor.)

312 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:44:16pm

Nicolle Wallace on ABC is spinning her ass off, trying to change the subject to the "growing scandal" about the Benghazi consulate.

313 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:44:30pm

re: #100 steve_davis

And then Ryan said to Biden, "Who do you think you are to challenge me? I am a God!" And then Biden picked him up by the feet and proceeded to body whip him into the floor half-a-dozen times.

Puny god...

314 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:44:35pm

re: #309 Targetpractice

We can't say Ryan won it with a straight face, so let's remind you how badly Obama did.

Yegods.

I think it was a joke, Fox News is at commercial now :)

315 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:44:56pm

Honestly think the press was really hoping that Biden would flub it badly, so they could spit-shine Ryan's ass a little more.

316 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:45:19pm

re: #315 Targetpractice

Honestly think the press was really hoping that Biden would flub it badly, so they could spit-shine Ryan's ass a little more.

I agree.

317 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:45:49pm

re: #290 JamesWI

Brit Hume now whining about the "smirking." And saying it could cost Biden the debate.

Funny how Mitt Romney's smirks didn't get the same reaction from Fox. Shocking.

I've read on fb that laughing and smirking is a sign you are drowning, don't know the facts etc. I do so when I'm frustrated, not drowning.

Like Pakistan and Israel --the Democrats and Republicans are two ships passing in the night.

318 Majacita  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:45:56pm

Okay, Romney won by lying, Biden won with facts, but Romney's win was bigger than Biden's?

319 Obdicut  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:46:02pm

re: #301 Killgore Trout

Aren't facts fun when they're on our side?

It's nice when the factcheckers are right, rather than wrong.

Some naive idiots, of course, think that someone calling themselves a 'factchecker' grants them factchecking abilities.

320 Big Joe  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:46:04pm

Brit Hume says people saw Vice-President Biden as rude arrogant and condescending.

321 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:46:10pm

Nothing would make me happier this year than to see Obama not only win reelection, but Ryan lose it.

323 aagcobb  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:46:50pm

Yankees Orioles going to extra innings.

324 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:46:55pm

re: #320 Big Joe

Brit Hume says people saw Vice-President Biden as rude arrogant and condescending.

Or that's what Brit thinks people should think Joe was.

325 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:47:10pm

re: #307 Alexzander

Agreed. But we may never see a win by the margin of the last debate in our lifetimes.

Are you old enough to remember Stockdale? I don't think we'll ever see a worse debate loss than that.

326 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:47:14pm

re: #299 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

My first Impression was a Moderate Biden win. I found his interruptions annoying honestly, but much less annoying than the CNN talking heads think.

Ryan didn't do poorly. But I don't think he was quite ready for the attack from Biden.

Biden is a Congressional Elder. He can run rings around Ryan if he chooses.

327 SpaceJesus  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:47:15pm

Holy shit Biden wasn't blowing smoke up Ryan's ass

328 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:47:32pm

Rev Al: Ryan lost because he kept his right wing positions. Romney won because he lied his ass off. He said Ryan was a fibber who hasn't grown into a full blown liar like Romney.

I'd say that's about right. Willard knows to keep lying now so PBO needs to be prepared to debate a liar. Severely Conservative Mitt won't be showing up again after this.

329 Gus  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:47:47pm
330 Mr. Crankypants  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:48:00pm

re: #321 Targetpractice

Nothing would make me happier this year than to see Obama not only win reelection, but Ryan lose it.

Even better if Steve King, Joe Walsh and Michelle Bachmann get sent home too.

331 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:48:02pm

re: #303 freetoken

The media wants a horse race to maximize expenditures by campaigns on advertisements.

Yes, POTUS elections are big business in this country.

I think it's crossed the line between politics to product.

332 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:48:15pm

re: #329 Gus

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What a baby. Seriously.

333 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:48:40pm

re: #330 Mr. Crankypants

Even better if Steve King, Joe Walsh and Michelle Bachmann get sent home too.

Yep, also wouldn't be upset if Eric Cantor got an unemployment notice too.

334 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:48:41pm

re: #320 Big Joe

Brit Hume says people saw Vice-President Biden as rude arrogant and condescending.

I don't know if Hume is rude, but he is clearly an expert on being arrogant and condescending.

335 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:48:49pm

CNN quick vote now up on the main page.

336 jaunte  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:49:09pm

Had to take clients to dinner tonight. Anything interesting happen?

337 Batman  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:49:10pm

Biden always sounds like he's talking candidly and honestly as he sees it. Ryan comes off as a say-anything kind of guy, like Romney. He's very fake. And Biden's toughness resonates with men, the only electorate Obama is having problems with. Win = Biden, and Biden = win.

338 C-Punch !!!  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:49:23pm

re: #333 HappyWarrior

Yep, also wouldn't be upset if Eric Cantor got an unemployment notice too.

Neither would Boehner.
But his butt can go too.

339 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:49:33pm
340 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:49:46pm

re: #320 Big Joe

Brit Hume says people saw Vice-President Biden as rude arrogant and condescending.

Yeah, that's what I'm getting from the Right wingers in my life.

as I said, two ships passing in the night.

341 freetoken  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:49:46pm

re: #331 ggt

I think it's crossed the line between politics to product.

It's the #1 show in the "reality TV" category.

342 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:49:56pm

re: #338 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Neither would Boehner.
But his butt can go too.

Yep. Goes without saying.

343 Destro  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:50:21pm
344 jaunte  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:50:31pm

re: #320 Big Joe

Brit Hume says people saw Vice-President Biden as rude arrogant and condescending.

A.K.A. "disagreeing."

345 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:50:33pm
346 Sionainn  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:50:43pm

re: #337 Batman

Biden always sounds like he's talking candidly and honestly as he sees it. Ryan comes off as a say-anything kind of guy, like Romney. He's very fake. And Biden's toughness resonates with men, the only electorate Obama is having problems with. Win = Biden, and Biden = win.

Biden appears to actually care about people.

347 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:50:48pm

That was the first time I ever listened to Paul Ryan speak. He sounded whiny. I think he was surprised that Joe Biden was over there cracking up and pointing at him while he made the universal jerk-off hand gesture. //

348 Destro  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:50:56pm

...

349 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:51:00pm

re: #339 Lidane

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Wingers are freeping the polls.

350 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:52:08pm

Going to be honest.

I missed the debate entirely because I was playing soccer against 7 year-olds in the annual parent-kid soccer game.

Don't regret my decision whatsoever.

351 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:52:23pm

re: #345 Lidane

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When Peirs Morgan is the only person at your network that makes sense, you've got problems.

352 RadicalModerate  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:52:25pm

RNC PRBS on CNN now, and is living in a fantasy world.

353 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:52:27pm

Remember the Olympics Ice Skating scandal year with Nancy Kerrigan? When she lost the Gold to Uksana, her response was "I did my routine perfectly, no mistakes. SHE made mistakes."

That's how I view the GOP'ers right now. It's as if they think a better performance and adherence to protocol trumps substance.

354 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:53:12pm

Reince Priebus says Romney and Ryan have "specifics coming out of their ears."

355 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:53:18pm

re: #349 moderatelyradicalliberal

Wingers are freeping the polls.

Two can play that game.

356 diamonda2u  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:53:39pm

ThinkProgress ‏@thinkprogress

Trending Google search, per CNN: "Malarkey" [Link: thkpr.gs...]

357 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:53:45pm

Biden's job was to rally the troops and he did that good enough. All the better if he upset the RW media types by mocking Ryan.

358 Batman  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:53:49pm

re: #354 JamesWI

Reince Priebus says Romney and Ryan have "specifics coming out of their ears."

Specifically that they're specifically not Obama.

359 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:53:50pm

re: #355 goddamnedfrank

Two can play that game.

And you can be sure that poll will soon be on Drudge's front page.

360 freetoken  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:54:02pm

re: #354 JamesWI

Reince Priebus says Romney and Ryan have "specifics coming out of their ears."

We'd prefer it from their mouths or keyboards.

361 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:54:17pm
362 jaunte  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:54:17pm

re: #354 JamesWI

Reince Priebus says Romney and Ryan have "specifics coming out of their ears."

Priebus, waxing eloquent.

363 palomino  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:54:22pm

re: #328 moderatelyradicalliberal

Rev Al: Ryan lost because he kept his right wing positions. Romney won because he lied his ass off. He said Ryan was a fibber who hasn't grown into a full blown liar like Romney.

I'd say that's about right. Willard knows to keep lying now so PBO needs to be prepared to debate a liar. Severely Conservative Mitt won't be showing up again after this.

In Romney we may see a man lying and contradicting his earlier positions. But maybe Romney doesn't see it as lying since he really has no fixed positions to contradict. He's nearly 180 degrees from where he was as MA Gov, so his positions over the years are always evolving. He's constantly walking back positions he just articulated. Sometimes it's the same or next day: AGW, abortion, Obamacare, etc.

364 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:54:23pm

re: #354 JamesWI

Reince Priebus says Romney and Ryan have "specifics coming out of their ears."

If by specifics he means bullshit.

365 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:54:32pm

re: #348 Destro

How do you post a tweet box like that?

Click to the 'details' link on the post, then click on "Embed This Tweet". Then copy and paste the HTML code that appears into the comment box here on LGF. It works better with Explorer than Firefox.

366 Cap'n Magic  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:54:51pm

re: #239 Lidane

Let Rove and his minions know that Anne Frank, Ms. Radditz and Malala Yousufzai will take your poisonous patriarchal political pedadodgy and use it to gvie you the ultimate colonoscopy.

367 Gus  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:54:52pm

re: #339 Lidane

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What a joke.

368 Sionainn  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:54:53pm

re: #352 RadicalModerate

RNC PRBS on CNN now, and is living in a fantasy world.

Nothing new there.

369 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:55:02pm

re: #355 goddamnedfrank

Two can play that game.

Done.

370 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:55:07pm

re: #361 Lidane

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Pretty much. Matt Drudge's headline right now? Biden's smirk.

371 sagehen  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:55:14pm

re: #322 Gus

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Can you turn the R's backwards into an S for Schmuck?

372 C-Punch !!!  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:55:34pm

re: #354 JamesWI

Reince Priebus says Romney and Ryan have "specifics coming out of their ears."

And Priebus pulled that one straight out of his butt.
Specifically.

373 Lidane  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:55:42pm

re: #365 Dark_Falcon

Click to the 'details' link on the post, then click on "Embed This Tweet". Then copy and paste the HTML code that appears into the comment box here on LGF. It works better with Explorer than Firefox.

There's a much easier way. If you're just using the regular Twitter site, right click on the time in the top right hand corner and copy the link address, then paste it here.

374 Mich-again  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:55:44pm

Back to baseball.. JV is holding a 2-0 lead in the 5th..

375 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:56:17pm

Anybody else remember the somber, straight-lipped Romney at last week's debate?

Yeah, neither do I.

376 Gus  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:56:30pm
377 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:56:46pm
378 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:57:23pm

re: #364 Mich-again

If by specifics he means bullshit.

a/k/a Rhetoric

379 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:57:35pm

re: #376 Gus

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That, children, is what your opponent getting blown out of the water looks like.

380 Destro  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:57:36pm
381 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:57:38pm

re: #355 goddamnedfrank

Two can play that game.

CNBC:

Who do you think won the vice presidential debate?
Paul Ryan
53%
Joe Biden
41%
Neither
6%
Total Votes: 22570
Not a Scientific Survey
Results may not total 100% due to rounding

Such Paulian-style BS.

382 Sionainn  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:58:25pm

Goodnight, all. It was fun!

383 erik_t  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:58:28pm

re: #381 MittDoesNotCompute

CNBC:

Such Paulian-style BS.

Internet surveys are more magical than animated pony friendship.

384 Destro  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:58:33pm

re: #365 Dark_Falcon

Thanks already figured out how to. It's not easy with a smart phone.

385 danarchy  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:58:40pm

CNN undecided voters

1/3 Biden won
1/3 Ryan won
1/3 undecided

386 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:58:49pm
387 C-Punch !!!  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:59:08pm

All I know is, Obama better come with it on the next debate.
That was good, and I want more.

388 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:59:51pm

re: #383 erik_t

Internet surveys are more magical than animated pony friendship.

An internet survey result can be directly predicted by the readership of the internet site.

I would think this would be obvious.

389 erik_t  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:59:51pm

re: #385 danarchy

CNN undecided voters

1/3 Biden won
1/3 Ryan won
1/3 undecided

Thirds? How the hell do I significant figure?

CNN serves no purpose.

390 palomino  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:59:55pm

re: #381 MittDoesNotCompute

CNBC:

Such Paulian-style BS.

Exactly, internet polls are notoriously accurate. Like the daily AOL polls in 2008 that had McCain with a 10 point edge every day up to the election.

391 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:00:03pm

re: #387 Reverend Mother Ramallo

All I know is, Obama better come with it on the next debate.
That was good, and I want more.

Biden's job wasn't just to hold the line, it was to keep the party faithful's panic from turning into a rout. He did that and then some. Mission accomplished.

392 Cap'n Magic  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:00:27pm

re: #374 Mich-again

Lets hope he can go the distance and not let Valverde take the mound...

393 Tigger2  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:00:33pm

re: #355 goddamnedfrank

Two can play that game.

Voted

394 Locker  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:00:45pm

re: #239 Lidane

This could quite possibly be the only thing to ever come out of that guy's "mouth" with which I agree.

395 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:01:15pm

Any one have a site or documentation of the % of American's who don't need a paycheck? I'm back to thinking about the 99%.

I still think anyone who needs a paycheck is the 99%. Including those who make $1 or more.

I think people would be shocked to know what percent doesn't depend on earning an income. Feudal Lords meme.

396 RadicalModerate  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:01:18pm

Good grief. One of those "undecided" voters who was interviewed on CNN was about as rightwing as one can get.

397 b_sharp  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:01:43pm

re: #362 jaunte

Priebus, waxing eloquent.

Waxing eloquent, or polishing his knob?

398 diamonda2u  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:01:52pm
399 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:02:10pm

re: #395 ggt

Any one have a site or documentation of the % of American's who don't need a paycheck? I'm back to thinking about the 99%.

I still think anyone who needs a paycheck is the 99%. Including those who make $1 or more.

I think people would be shocked to know what percent doesn't depend on earning an income. Feudal Lords meme.

Do you define a SS check as a paycheck?

400 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:02:15pm

re: #398 diamonda2u

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Of course.

401 danarchy  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:02:20pm

re: #389 erik_t

Thirds? How the hell do I significant figure?

CNN serves no purpose.

That was the in studio undecideds, supposedly they and ORC are conducting an actual snap phone poll they will release the results of within the hour.

402 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:02:30pm

re: #399 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Do you define a SS check as a paycheck?

if they depend on it.

403 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:03:20pm
404 jaunte  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:03:37pm
405 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:03:40pm

re: #402 ggt

if they depend on it.

What about unemployment checks or welfare benefits?

406 C-Punch !!!  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:03:52pm

re: #398 diamonda2u

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What could they possibly say?
That she did her job?

407 aagcobb  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:04:30pm

Orioles Yankees going to 11th.

408 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:04:58pm

re: #393 Tigger2

Voted

As did I. And we both voted for Biden, I'm sure. I won't vote to say some won when they didn't; "My hypocrisy extends only so far."

409 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:05:02pm

re: #405 Mostly sane, most of the time.

What about unemployment checks or welfare benefits?

I'm not explaining myself. I'd like to know the people who would continue to live just fine without NEW income. interest and dividend checks --income generated by current wealth woudn't count.

410 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:05:09pm

LOLOLOLOLOL:

The Romney campaign is forced to pimp an ONLINE POLL.

411 jaunte  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:05:16pm
412 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:05:42pm

re: #398 diamonda2u

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It's pretty much the same as a losing team bashing the referees. Which is funny since Ryan is a Packer fan.

413 Petero1818  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:05:43pm
414 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:05:56pm

re: #410 JamesWI

LOLOLOLOLOL:

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The Romney campaign is forced to pimp an ONLINE POLL.

How sad. Really online polls, team Romney? Lame.

415 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:06:19pm

re: #407 aagcobb

Orioles Yankees going to 11th.

My heart is going nuts here.

416 aagcobb  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:06:22pm

re: #413 Petero1818

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Fischer haz a sad.

417 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:06:24pm

re: #413 Petero1818

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Seems somebody pissed in Bryan's cereal bowl this morning.

418 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:06:31pm

Apparently Chris Wallace said he's "never seen someone as disrespectful as Biden was."

Oh man, this was a slaughter.

419 jaunte  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:06:39pm

re: #413 Petero1818

Look at the noble defender of females.

420 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:07:09pm

re: #377 bratwurst

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That sounds about right.

421 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:07:11pm

re: #417 Targetpractice

Seems somebody pissed in Bryan's cereal bowl this morning.

And I love it.

422 HappyWarrior  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:07:13pm

They're complaining about disrespect? What about Romney who at the debate actually compared POTUS to one of his sons?

423 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:07:14pm

re: #419 jaunte

Look at the noble defender of females.

*wretch, spit, gag*

424 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:07:17pm

re: #363 palomino

In Romney we may see a man lying and contradicting his earlier positions. But maybe Romney doesn't see it as lying since he really has no fixed positions to contradict. He's nearly 180 degrees from where he was as MA Gov, so his positions over the years are always evolving. He's constantly walking back positions he just articulated. Sometimes it's the same or next day: AGW, abortion, Obamacare, etc.

Cultist?

// no offend. But damn

425 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:07:21pm

Biden beats Ryan soundly, press quick to declare Ryan the real winner, defend him from the brutish Biden.

Color me shocked.///

426 Petero1818  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:07:24pm

re: #419 jaunte

Look at the noble defender of females.

Indeed.

427 erik_t  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:08:02pm

re: #413 Petero1818

@BryanJFischer Biden is a malicious man, and Raddatz is a pushover. Giving female moderators a bad name.

O HE MAD

lol

428 bratwurst  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:08:18pm
429 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:08:31pm

re: #419 jaunte

Look at the noble defender of females.

I'll defend myself, thank you.

Simply that he had to separate her out as a "female" moderater says quite a bit about Mr. Fischer.

430 krypto  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:08:42pm

The real question is will Biden succeed in teaching Obama how to debate Mendacious Mitt?

431 Targetpractice  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:09:14pm

Last week: "Obama's got no room for excuses, he totally lost!"

This week: "Ryan was at a total disadvantage! The moderator was on Biden's side, Biden didn't let him talk, he was smirking the whole time! He couldn't win with things so badly stacked against him!"

432 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:09:16pm

re: #429 ggt

I'll defend myself, thank you.

Simply that he had to separate her out as a "female" moderater says quite a bit about Mr. Fischer.

Yeah, he's a knuckle-dragging caveman...

433 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:09:23pm

re: #425 Targetpractice

Biden beats Ryan soundly, press quick to declare Ryan the real winner, defend him from the brutish Biden.

Color me shocked.///

Funny how it always seemed like the Republicans were always portrayed as these tough, rugged individualists. Now, they're defending Mr. P90whatthefuckever workout/marathon buff from Grandpa's vicious assault. Healthy helping of schaden with a dish a freude if you please.

434 JamesWI  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:09:31pm

LOL...Mary Matalin is pissed off.

435 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:09:50pm

re: #385 danarchy

CNN undecided voters

1/3 Biden won
1/3 Ryan won
1/3 undecided

How does a focus group of 31 people result in equal thirds?

436 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:11:00pm

re: #435 goddamnedfrank

How does a focus group of 31 people result in equal thirds?

As soon as I read that, I heard the word "arithmetic" in Bill Clinton's voice echoing in my head.

437 MittDoesNotCompute  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:11:31pm

re: #434 JamesWI

LOL...Mary Matalin is pissed off.

It feels real funny to say that I feel sorry for James Carville...

438 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:12:08pm

Watching the local ABC news segment on the debate, they showed 7 snippets of the debate, every one of them by Ryan! Biden didn't even get one word on the air. :(

439 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:12:53pm

re: #403 Dark_Falcon

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l o l

sad

440 Gus  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:13:57pm
441 celticdragon  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:26:15pm

re: #353 ggt

Remember the Olympics Ice Skating scandal year with Nancy Kerrigan? When she lost the Gold to Uksana, her response was "I did my routine perfectly, no mistakes. SHE made mistakes."

That's how I view the GOP'ers right now. It's as if they think a better performance and adherence to protocol trumps substance.

I actually remember that. Oksana Baiul screwed up a triple salchow jump and two footed the landing. She started ad libbing extra elements into her long program to try and make up for the mistake. I am on Nancy Kerrigan's side on this one. She didn't fuck up her program. She should have taken the gold.

442 Cap'n Magic  Thu, Oct 11, 2012 8:58:30pm

Joe Biden performs the ultimate high colonic on the GOP; butthurt ensues.

443 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 13, 2012 12:27:34pm

Testing again...


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