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1 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 1:29:03pm

Oh, the last two days have been a hoot from the wingnuts and their "liberal media" allies. I keep hearing the same thing over and over again: "Biden acted angry/unhinged, his laughing was totally unprofessional, and he made a mockery of his office!" At the same time, they're taking turns tongue-bathing Ryan and lauding his performance, but can't seem to remember any of the answers he gave.

2 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 1:39:01pm

Whoa - Baumgartner hit Mach 1.24. Incredible.

3 engineer cat  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 1:39:11pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

it looks to me like they've successfully hidden what us democratic supporters clearly saw as a win for biden by "acting as if". democrats it seems were too honest in admitting that barack gave a poor debate performance and missed the opportunity to spin

(on the other hand, one bright spot is that the tipp tracking poll has shown obama steadily regaining his lead, altho rass and gallup continue to show romney ahead by two...)

4 Digital Display  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 1:41:20pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

Oh, the last two days have been a hoot from the wingnuts and their "liberal media" allies. I keep hearing the same thing over and over again: "Biden acted angry/unhinged, his laughing was totally unprofessional, and he made a mockery of his office!" At the same time, they're taking turns tongue-bathing Ryan and lauding his performance, but can't seem to remember any of the answers he gave.

Well I'm sorry to say this. Biden acted like this was a 7th grade debate not a debate for the 2nd most powerful person in the world. His behavior was off putting to me.

5 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 1:44:29pm

re: #4 Digital Display

Well I'm sorry to say this. Biden acted like this was a 7th grade debate not a debate for the 2nd most powerful person in the world. His behavior was off putting to me.

Biden gave Ryan's positions the derision they deserved. Trying to debate in a serious manner with a man who has no compunction against lying his ass off only leaves you looking like a fool. See the first presidential debate for how a somber, serious approach to the Romney/Ryan style of debating works.

6 b_sharp  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 1:44:43pm

re: #4 Digital Display

Well I'm sorry to say this. Biden acted like this was a 7th grade debate not a debate for the 2nd most powerful person in the world. His behavior was off putting to me.

What was the difference between his behaviour and Romney's behaviour, besides the lies?

7 darthstar  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 1:46:41pm

re: #2 Charles Johnson

Whoa - Baumgartner hit Mach 1.24. Incredible.

Wait until you see Bumgarner's fastball tonight!

8 Interesting Times  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 1:50:09pm

re: #4 Digital Display

Well I'm sorry to say this. Biden acted like this was a 7th grade debate not a debate for the 2nd most powerful person in the world. His behavior was off putting to me.

More off-putting than Ryan's shameless, disgusting LYING? Sorry, but derisive laughter is the only appropriate response to Gish-Gallop bullshitting. If everybody laughed at these worse-than-Bush retreads, the US (and the world at large) would be far better off.

9 engineer cat  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 1:55:06pm

re: #4 Digital Display

Well I'm sorry to say this. Biden acted like this was a 7th grade debate not a debate for the 2nd most powerful person in the world. His behavior was off putting to me.

like i was saying last week: it seems style is all that people care about here. facts and logic don't seem to interest people

don't blame me if when you're medicare age, all you get for your contributions to it is a coupon and a lecture on self reliance

10 gwangung  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 1:56:39pm

re: #4 Digital Display

Well I'm sorry to say this. Biden acted like this was a 7th grade debate not a debate for the 2nd most powerful person in the world. His behavior was off putting to me.

And substance? Policy? Proposals?

11 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 1:57:08pm

Personally think it's a joke to call these things "debates" anymore. A debate, as Charles noted, involves both sides presenting their sides of the argument and being penalized for provable lies. What we have today is what's come about as a result of the introduction of television, namely performance pieces where the side who can give the best canned speeches in response to increasingly pointless questions while maintaining a smile "wins."

12 Digital Display  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 1:57:36pm

I'm not going to defend Ryan. I'm a Dem.
If the best you can do during a debate is to act like a fucking jerk then so be it. I don't like it.

13 darthstar  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 1:57:45pm
14 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 1:59:27pm

re: #12 Digital Display

I'm not going to defend Ryan. I'm a Dem.
If the best you can do during a debate is to act like a fucking jerk then so be it. I don't like it.

Personally think that's the media's interpretation of Biden's performance. I saw it more like a grandfather laughing at a grandchild who's trying to act as if he's possessed of wits that just aren't there. Biden's seen plenty of Paul Ryans come and go in Congress in his decades of service. Why should he treat this one any differently because he's debating him on live TV rather in the backrooms of Capital Hill?

15 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:00:13pm

AH, just picked up pizza for the family supper at the best place in town. Nice crisp thin crust pizza with Canadian bacon & pineapple ...

;)

16 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:00:38pm

re: #4 Digital Display

Well I'm sorry to say this. Biden acted like this was a 7th grade debate not a debate for the 2nd most powerful person in the world. His behavior was off putting to me.

Although I do agree that Biden's laughing and rolling his eyes was distracting I still think he won the debate. I thought this was an interesting article...
Joe Biden's smiling: Was there method to his madness?
These are highly choreographed events. It's entirely possible Biden's antics were setting the stage for a more energized Obama in the next debate.

17 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:00:41pm

re: #4 Digital Display

Well I'm sorry to say this. Biden acted like this was a 7th grade debate not a debate for the 2nd most powerful person in the world. His behavior was off putting to me.

I'm a little tired of hearing that the solution for every problem we face is a tax cut.

18 darthstar  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:01:15pm

Almost as rare as Latinos for Romney

19 dragonath  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:01:30pm

Overton's Window. Occam's Razor. Gish's Gallop.

Gawd, I hate neologisms.

20 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:02:45pm

New Mitt ad tries to capitalize on Biden's laughing
Fiscal Discipline

Youtube Video
21 darthstar  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:03:20pm
22 engineer cat  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:03:27pm

i could believe reagan's and the bush's wins, because they did a much better job of lying

r&r just clearly explain how they will screw the middle class and then smilingly claim that the outcome of abusing you will be that you will be better off

two weeks ago it wasn't working and i can't for the life of me understand why they are suddenly winning now

if there is somebody here who's changed their mind since the first debate, perhaps they can explain to me why they decided that getting a crappier deal suddenly sounded like a great idea

23 dragonath  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:04:53pm

re: #20 Killgore Trout

New Mitt ad tries to capitalize on Biden's laughing
Fiscal Discipline

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Ryan's beseeching tone is worse than a million Biden laughs.

24 darthstar  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:06:32pm

Got an extra copy.

25 engineer cat  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:08:58pm

re: #12 Digital Display

I'm not going to defend Ryan. I'm a Dem.
If the best you can do during a debate is to act like a fucking jerk then so be it. I don't like it.

in my view ryan and romney acted like jerks, but i expected that

but i have a peculiar point of view that lying is a far worse offense

26 BongCrodny  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:08:58pm

re: #13 darthstar

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They've got that in the reverse order.

Should be "Romney cons Latinos."

27 darthstar  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:11:51pm

Got an extra copy.

28 darthstar  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:12:15pm

Sorry about the double post...page hung up so I reloaded and posted.

29 gwangung  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:13:22pm

re: #12 Digital Display

I'm not going to defend Ryan. I'm a Dem.
If the best you can do during a debate is to act like a fucking jerk then so be it. I don't like it.

Except that that wasn't ONLY what he did.

Yeah, you're just responding to the style, not the substance.

30 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:14:16pm

Yeah, that was my fault. I was tweaking something. Trying to optimize the queries for the LGF Pages index.

31 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:15:46pm

re: #28 darthstar

Sorry about the double post...page hung up so I reloaded and posted.

Did that to me a bit ago but when I tried to post the second time, I got a popup saying duplicate post and it didn't post the second time.

32 b_sharp  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:17:16pm

I hear a dog howling, and it won't shut up. It's been howling for days.

33 Digital Display  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:17:22pm

Let's move on to a more important subject than 2 DC pols calling liar liar pants on fire. I'm still recovering from 10-13. I lost a child 6 years ago.
I spent the day in bed unable to cope with the lost our family experienced that day. The pain never seems to go away or even fade away to black.
10-13 put a hole in my heart that never stops bleeding.

34 efuseakay  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:18:33pm

re: #12 Digital Display

I'm not going to defend Ryan. I'm a Dem.
If the best you can do during a debate is to act like a fucking jerk then so be it. I don't like it.

And who exactly was the fucking jerk? Ryan for outright lying to the country, or Biden for not putting up with said bullshit?

35 b_sharp  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:18:43pm

re: #33 Digital Display

Let's move on to a more important subject than 2 DC pols calling liar liar pants on fire. I'm still recovering from 10-13. I lost a child 6 years ago.
I spent the day in bed unable to cope with the lost our family experienced that day. The pain never seems to go away or even fade away to black.
10-13 put a hole in my heart that never stops bleeding.

It never will, I suspect. All you can do is learn to cope.

36 ozbloke  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:19:39pm

re: #33 Digital Display

Let's move on to a more important subject than 2 DC pols calling liar liar pants on fire. I'm still recovering from 10-13. I lost a child 6 years ago.
I spent the day in bed unable to cope with the lost our family experienced that day. The pain never seems to go away or even fade away to black.
10-13 put a hole in my heart that never stops bleeding.

Sorry for your loss HH, live a life worthy of two.

37 darthstar  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:19:58pm

re: #32 Gangnam Style

I hear a dog howling, and it won't shut up. It's been howling for days.

Call animal control. It could be trapped in its house and the owners are away or worse.

38 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:20:29pm

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Although I do agree that Biden's laughing and rolling his eyes was distracting I still think he won the debate. I thought this was an interesting article...
Joe Biden's smiling: Was there method to his madness?
These are highly choreographed events. It's entirely possible Biden's antics were setting the stage for a more energized Obama in the next debate.

I'd agree that these are choreographed events, performance pieces meant to win over voters with "style" than any substance. We fool ourselves by saying we want a "serious" debate over the "issues." But then the next day we talk all about the funniest/strongest "zingers" and about how the one guy looked like was passing a kidney stone while the other didn't break a sweat.

Consider that the big difference in who won the Kennedy/Nixon debate is what medium you heard it in. You listened to the radio, you thought Nixon won, but if you watched TV you thought he was sweating like a whore in church. Does anybody remember any of the answers Carter gave in '80? No, but they remember "There you go again" from Reagan. And let's remember the now infamous "You're no Jack Kennedy."

39 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:21:14pm

I think the proper way to describe Biden's laughter would be incredulity.
When I chuckle at my kids when they tell a whopper, it's not because I'm being a jerk, it's because I can't believe they thought they were gonna pull one over on me.
Same with Biden.

40 b_sharp  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:25:06pm

re: #37 darthstar

Call animal control. It could be trapped in its house and the owners are away or worse.

Sorry, I'm watching 'The Case of the Howling Dog' and thought it was the political gods sending me a message about the US political right.

The barking dog we had a problem with a few days ago was fixed when the owners returned yesterday.

41 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:25:39pm

re: #24 darthstar

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Got an extra copy.

She is mentally ill.

42 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:28:13pm

re: #41 Reverend Mother Ramallo

That is sick.

43 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:29:46pm

But never say anything bad about Saint Andrew of Breitbart!

[Faints]

44 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:30:27pm

re: #42 PhillyPretzel

That is sick.

I don't understand why this woman is given credibility for anything.

45 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:30:41pm

re: #43 Gus

::: pulling out smelling salts for Gus :::

46 b_sharp  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:31:18pm

re: #44 Reverend Mother Ramallo

I don't understand why this woman is given credibility for anything.

She feeds a need.

47 Tigger2  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:32:34pm

re: #45 PhillyPretzel

::: pulling out smelling salts for Gus :::

There are a lot of disgusting people in this country.


Comment was supposed to be for 46.

48 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:33:28pm

re: #46 Gangnam Style

She feeds a need.

Yeah. I just hate to think about how many people hunger for her BS.

49 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:34:19pm

Of course she didn't delete that Tweet.

50 calochortus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:34:29pm

re: #33 Digital Display

I'm so sorry. I can't imagine the pain you feel.

51 Tigger2  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:35:47pm

re: #49 Gus

Of course she didn't delete that Tweet.

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I hope people are leaving comments letting her know what kind of a worthless shit she is.

52 b_sharp  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:36:27pm

re: #48 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Yeah. I just hate to think about how many people hunger for her BS.

Most people never question the ideals and values they were taught as kids. As adults they seek validation of those values.

53 darthstar  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:38:30pm

I'd love to see someone in Tuesday's town hall ask Mitt Romney about Sensata.

54 engineer cat  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:38:57pm

43 registered users online at this moment, but apparently none of us here have had our minds changed about the election in the past two weeks. so there is nobody around here today to explain to us why the polls have moved so dramatically?

55 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:40:16pm

re: #54 engineer cat

43 registered users online at this moment, but apparently none of us here have had our minds changed about the election in the past two weeks. so there is nobody around here today to explain to us why the polls have moved so dramatically?

Think the theory was brought up last night that part of the major poll shift was due to disheartened Democrats refusing to being polled, versus enthusiastic Republicans willing to gush over Romney's debate performance.

56 b_sharp  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:41:36pm

re: #55 Targetpractice

Think the theory was brought up last night that part of the major poll shift was due to disheartened Democrats refusing to being polled, versus enthusiastic Republicans willing to gush over Romney's debate performance.

Self selection.

57 Tigger2  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:42:14pm

re: #53 darthstar

I'd love to see someone in Tuesday's town hall ask Mitt Romney about Sensata.

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Romney does not deserve to be the President of what I still believe is a great country.

58 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:42:56pm

You know, where I come from, this is considered "extortion":

Koch Industries, other CEOs warn employees of layoffs if Obama is reelected

59 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:43:21pm

Easier to live with wrong thinking, than to change it.
Until it isn't.
In the end, those who don't or can't adapt to change, are cut off from the herd.

60 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:44:00pm

re: #21 darthstar

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From the end of that RS piece:

Listen to Mitt Romney speak, and see if you can notice what's missing. This is a man who grew up in Michigan, went to college in California, walked door to door through the streets of southern France as a missionary and was a governor of Massachusetts, the home of perhaps the most instantly recognizable, heavily accented English this side of Edinburgh. Yet not a trace of any of these places is detectable in Romney's diction. None of the people in any of those places bled in and left a mark on the man.

Romney is a man from nowhere. In his post-regional attitude, he shares something with his campaign opponent, Barack Obama, whose background is a similarly jumbled pastiche of regionally nonspecific non-identity. But in the way he bounced around the world as a half-orphaned child, Obama was more like an involuntary passenger in the demographic revolution reshaping the planet than one of its leaders.

Romney, on the other hand, is a perfect representative of one side of the ominous cultural divide that will define the next generation, not just here in America but all over the world. Forget about the Southern strategy, blue versus red, swing states and swing voters – all of those political clichés are quaint relics of a less threatening era that is now part of our past, or soon will be. The next conflict defining us all is much more unnerving.

That conflict will be between people who live somewhere, and people who live nowhere. It will be between people who consider themselves citizens of actual countries, to which they have patriotic allegiance, and people to whom nations are meaningless, who live in a stateless global archipelago of privilege – a collection of private schools, tax havens and gated residential communities with little or no connection to the outside world.
Mitt Romney isn't blue or red. He's an archipelago man. That's a big reason that voters have been slow to warm up to him. From LBJ to Bill Clinton to George W. Bush to Sarah Palin, Americans like their politicians to sound like they're from somewhere, to be human symbols of our love affair with small towns, the girl next door, the little pink houses of Mellencamp myth. Most of those mythical American towns grew up around factories – think chocolate bars from Hershey, baseball bats from Louisville, cereals from Battle Creek. Deep down, what scares voters in both parties the most is the thought that these unique and vital places are vanishing or eroding – overrun by immigrants or the forces of globalism or both, with giant Walmarts descending like spaceships to replace the corner grocer, the family barber and the local hardware store, and 1,000 cable channels replacing the school dance and the gossip at the local diner.

Obama ran on "change" in 2008, but Mitt Romney represents a far more real and seismic shift in the American landscape. Romney is the frontman and apostle of an economic revolution, in which transactions are manufactured instead of products, wealth is generated without accompanying prosperity, and Cayman Islands partnerships are lovingly erected and nurtured while American communities fall apart. The entire purpose of the business model that Romney helped pioneer is to move money into the archipelago from the places outside it, using massive amounts of taxpayer-subsidized debt to enrich a handful of billionaires. It's a vision of society that's crazy, vicious and almost unbelievably selfish, yet it's running for president, and it has a chance of winning. Perhaps that change is coming whether we like it or not. Perhaps Mitt Romney is the best man to manage the transition. But it seems a little early to vote for that kind of wholesale surrender.

61 efuseakay  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:44:05pm

re: #54 engineer cat

43 registered users online at this moment, but apparently none of us here have had our minds changed about the election in the past two weeks. so there is nobody around here today to explain to us why the polls have moved so dramatically?

Doesn't matter. The only poll that matters is on Election Day. Go out and vote. Let your voice be heard.

62 calochortus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:44:13pm

re: #54 engineer cat

43 registered users online at this moment, but apparently none of us here have had our minds changed about the election in the past two weeks. so there is nobody around here today to explain to us why the polls have moved so dramatically?

I posted about this yesterday, but I heard an explanation (maybe on The Newshour?) as to why there is such a jump for Romney in the polls.

The polls are compiled by people who make phone calls. They use whatever methodology they favor to select people to call, but they don't control who is willing to talk to them. So, Obama gives a lackluster performance at the debate and a pollster calls a Democrat. Said Democrat is feeling kind of depressed and doesn't want to talk to a pollster, so: no input from him. The pollster calls a Republican and needless to say, he's feeling pumped and ready to give his opinion. There is only so much a pollster can do to try to judge how much of this is going on, so polls tend to skew toward whomever is feeling excited, even though both people may well vote.

63 Mattand  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:44:53pm

re: #49 Gus

Of course she didn't delete that Tweet.

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Yeah, I laughed when Lizz Winstead said she screenshot-ed that tweet. Coutler deleting a tweet would imply some semblance of shame. It's pretty clear at this point she'll say anything for attention (especially if she's got a new book to flog.)

If anything, Coulter is going to repeat it ad naseusm from now until Specter's funeral.

64 DisturbedEma  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:45:46pm

re: #54 engineer cat

Interesting to ponder- I must say that I found the VP interaction to be quite informative, not on the important stuff, of course, but it did provide an interesting look at these 2, one who could not be swayed to act very natural, and one who could not contain his disgust for malarkey. . .I STILL tell my children, when I believe they are withholding the truth, that what they are offering me is a fresh batch of Malarkey muffins. . .

My vote is unchanged

65 darthstar  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:45:53pm

re: #63 Mattand

Yeah, I laughed when Lizz Winstead said she screenshot-ed that tweet. Coutler deleting a tweet would imply some semblance of shame. It's pretty clear at this point she'll say anything for attention (especially if she's got a new book to flog.)

If anything, Coulter is going to repeat it ad naseusm from now until Specter's funeral.

She should be a member of the Westboro baptists.

66 Tigger2  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:45:53pm

re: #61 efuseakay

Doesn't matter. The only poll that matters is on Election Day. Go out and vote. Let your voice be heard.

Already did a couple weeks ago.

67 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:46:09pm

re: #62 calochortus

I posted about this yesterday, but I heard an explanation (maybe on The Newshour?) as to why there is such a jump for Romney in the polls.

The polls are compiled by people who make phone calls. They use whatever methodology they favor to select people to call, but they don't control who is willing to talk to them. So, Obama gives a lackluster performance at the debate and a pollster calls a Democrat. Said Democrat is feeling kind of depressed and doesn't want to talk to a pollster, so: no input from him. The pollster calls a Republican and needless to say, he's feeling pumped and ready to give his opinion. There is only so much a pollster can do to try to judge how much of this is going on, so polls tend to skew toward whomever is feeling excited, even though both people may well vote.

And that's why the "enthusiasm gap" is such a big thing this year, as while Romney may not be winning many converts, the GOP as a whole are more determined to throw out Obama that Democrats seem to be to keep him in office. Once again, Democrats are their own biggest critics and worst enemies.

68 b_sharp  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:46:46pm

re: #59 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Easier to live with wrong thinking, than to change it.
Until it isn't.
In the end, those who don't or can't adapt to change, are cut off from the herd.

You just applied selection to culture, something the right needs to recognize.

69 engineer cat  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:47:18pm

re: #55 Targetpractice

re: #62 calochortus

i'd like to believe that, but the result in the polls in the past week and a half would have to measuring a rather massive discouragement effect

70 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:47:29pm

re: #63 Mattand

Specter will be buried in the next couple of days. From Philly.com: A funeral service is scheduled for noon Tuesday, Oct. 16, at Har Zion Temple, 1500 Hagys Ford Rd., Penn Valley. It will be open to the public, although cameras and recording devices will be forbidden. Interment will follow at Shalom Memorial Park, Huntingdon Valley.

Contributions may be made to Philadelphia University, where he had an office, or another charity.

71 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:48:39pm

re: #60 MittDoesNotCompute

From the end of that RS piece:

I heard something similar to this in regards to businesses having no qualms about outsourcing/offshoring due to globalization.
The gist being that they held no loyalty to this country.

72 Mattand  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:49:18pm

re: #67 Targetpractice

And that's why the "enthusiasm gap" is such a big thing this year, as while Romney may not be winning many converts, the GOP as a whole are more determined to throw out Obama that Democrats seem to be to keep him in office. Once again, Democrats are their own biggest critics and worst enemies.

That's why I get nervous that the election may hinge on the exalted "undecideds", or as I like to call them, "Stupid Fucking Idiots Who Don't Remember Which Party Drove Us into the Worst Financial Crisis Since the Great Depression."

I do need to work on that wording.

73 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:50:26pm

re: #69 engineer cat

re: #62 calochortus

i'd like to believe that, but the result in the polls in the past week and a half would have to measuring a rather massive discouragement effect

They may very be doing so. Want to know why? Look through LGF's own comments, if not the broad spectrum of liberal pundits in the days and weeks leading up to the first debate. How many thought Obama was gonna have such a shitty performance? Hell, I know I myself kept saying the same thing, which was so long as Romney didn't shit himself on stage, he would be declared the "winner." But none of us expected that Obama would let Willard drop a shit ton of whoopers on him and not respond in a forceful manner.

74 calochortus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:50:29pm

re: #69 engineer cat

Personally, I don't really understand why everyone seems to be in such a tailspin over Obama's debate performance. Yes, he needs to project an aura of authority in the next debate, but for heaven's sake, it was just a single debate. I'd like to think that content carries some weight-that it's not all about style.
I'm probably dreaming.

75 calochortus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:51:25pm

re: #72 Mattand

That's why I get nervous that the election may hinge on the exalted "undecideds", or as I like to call them, "Stupid Fucking Idiots Who Don't Remember Which Party Drove Us into the Worst Financial Crisis Since the Great Depression."

I do need to work on that wording.

No, no, I think the wording is just about right.

76 Mattand  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:52:31pm

re: #75 calochortus

No, no, I think the wording is just about right.

The acronym reads like a verse from the Necronomicon.

77 DisturbedEma  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:52:58pm

re: #60 MittDoesNotCompute

Yes, I had not thought of that before, but Mitt doesn't seem to have been anywhere, that is you can't tell where he's been by hearing him speak, based on accent or references. No matter where I go, I look for a bubbler, I ask if anyone wants Pop, and the colors Green and Gold strike a personal chord and of course my Midwestern accent- I will always be obviously from Green Bay, Wisconsin. Interesting to note that Obama has been called out for "sounding different"at times as if to say revealing his background or something personal was cynically considered pandering. . .I like the glimpses into unscripted territory. . .

78 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:53:19pm

re: #68 Gangnam Style

You just applied selection to culture, something the right needs to recognize.

I was thinking of the 'right', as well as the cyber-molester and his apologists at Reddit.

79 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:53:47pm

re: #71 Reverend Mother Ramallo

I heard something similar to this in regards to businesses having no qualms about outsourcing/offshoring due to globalization.
The gist being that they held no loyalty to this country.

The only thing that Mitt and his ilk have any loyalty to is cold, hard cash and the methods that they use to extract it from everyone else.

That RS article should be required reading before this election.

80 Mattand  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:57:10pm

re: #79 MittDoesNotCompute

The only thing that Mitt and his ilk have any loyalty to is cold, hard cash.

That RS article should be required reading before this election.

LOL, I posted that on a Facebook thread where someone was talking up Mitt's business credentials. I was asked why anyone would believe something from that liberal rag.

This woman then told me she's done her homework, in part by watching Fox News, which is the least biased news network.

As Bill Maher says, conservatives, they live in a bubble.

81 DisturbedEma  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 2:58:36pm

re: #79 MittDoesNotCompute

I still think that ad with Mitt singing America the Beautiful while all of those business related points were being made was a good way to show the difference between what Mitt says and how he acts.

82 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 3:01:58pm
83 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 3:02:31pm

re: #41 Reverend Mother Ramallo

She is mentally ill.

Indeed. As for the Snake Lady's comment, better the dead party than the brain-dead party.

84 DisturbedEma  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 3:06:23pm

re: #83 Shiplord Kirel

She is one of those people that The Onion rarely has to think of a headline for her actions- they could just print this one as quoted, but because they deal with satire, it wouldn't quite work, just saying

85 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 3:06:53pm
86 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 3:07:38pm

re: #49 Gus

Of course she didn't delete that Tweet.

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87 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 3:10:49pm

re: #86 MittDoesNotCompute

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Libruls don't have a sense of humor!

88 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 3:11:00pm

re: #86 MittDoesNotCompute

Keep in mind Specter is going to be buried on Tuesday. Annie will have be quiet after that about the late Senator.

89 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 3:11:30pm

re: #74 calochortus

Personally, I don't really understand why everyone seems to be in such a tailspin over Obama's debate performance. Yes, he needs to project an aura of authority in the next debate, but for heaven's sake, it was just a single debate. I'd like to think that content carries some weight-that it's not all about style.
I'm probably dreaming.

When news is relentlessly treated as entertainment, all is theater.

90 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 3:13:35pm

The dickhead who led the anti-drone protest with Code Pink last week.....
Imran Khan says Taliban's 'holy war' in Afghanistan is justified by Islamic law

Speaking after visiting a hospital in Peshawar where Malala Yousafzai – the 14-year-old activist shot in the head by the Taliban for supporting girls' education – was treated last week, Khan told reporters that insurgents in Afghanistan were fighting a "jihad". Citing a verse from the Qur'an, he said: "It is very clear that whoever is fighting for their freedom is fighting a jihad …

"The people who are fighting in Afghanistan against the foreign occupation are fighting a jihad," he added, according to a video of remarks to journalists.

Afghan politicians have reacted with disbelief, with one parliamentarian suggesting Khan should be arrested. The Ulema Council, a grouping of senior clerics, declared his comments "unislamic".

A Kabul foreign ministry spokesman said Khan was "either profoundly and dangerously ignorant about the reality in Afghanistan, or he has ill will against the Afghan people.

"Our children are killed on daily basis, civilians killed and our schools, hospitals and infrastructure attacked on a daily basis. To call any of that jihad is profoundly wrong and misguided."

91 calochortus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 3:25:53pm

BBL, time to get stuff done.

92 alpuz  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 3:36:06pm

re: #85 Gus

And how. I've had the tv on in the background most of the day. I'm now using the mute button. The ads against Tammy Baldwin are the worst. It's disgusting.

I thought the lead up to the 2010 election was bad here in my little part of Wisconsin. Apparently the machine has kicked it into overdrive starting today.

93 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 3:42:01pm
94 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 3:42:20pm

re: #92 alpuz

And how. I've had the tv on in the background most of the day. I'm now using the mute button. The ads against Tammy Baldwin are the worst. It's disgusting.

I thought the lead up to the 2010 election was bad here in my little part of Wisconsin. Apparently the machine has kicked it into overdrive starting today.

I'm glad I don't watch TV.

95 JeffFX  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 3:53:13pm

re: #85 Gus

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Thanks for the link Gus. I hadn't donated this cycle, and you just motivated me to get it done.

96 JamesWI  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 3:55:56pm

Jesus fucking christ.....

Mind you, this is at a brunch with his father, and Reince Priebus, in attendance.

97 JeffFX  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:00:41pm

re: #41 Reverend Mother Ramallo

She is mentally ill.

She's a prominent figure in a toxic, fantasy-based, hate-fueled subculture. It would be remarkable if she were mentally-well.

Even working in a toxic work environment with lunatic managers can drive a person nuts. Now apply that to an entire authority-driven subculture where every single one of the authorities is either constantly lying to maintain their position, or completely delusional.

When you're part of that mess, you either go corrupt, go mad, or get the hell out.

98 Obdicut  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:01:20pm

re: #96 JamesWI

Jesus fucking christ.....

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Mind you, this is at a brunch with his father, and Reince Priebus, in attendance.

Completely acceptable in the GOP nowadays. Hell, Romney's endorsed birtherism in about every way possible-- he jokes about it, he's got Trump, birther-in-chief campaigning for him, and he uses dog-whistles like the birthers.

And for good reason-- a majority of the GOP don't agree that Obama was born in Hawaii. The GOP is the party of birtherism.

99 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:02:31pm

re: #96 JamesWI

Jesus fucking christ.....

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Mind you, this is at a brunch with his father, and Reince Priebus, in attendance.

Was he in Lancaster, Ohio a couple of days ago?

100 A Mom Anon  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:03:06pm

re: #96 JamesWI

And we're supposed to be civil to these fucking people. No. I am sorry but these people are bullies and extremely nasty.You don't handle them with nice and polite. It doesn't work. You hit them hard,you don't let up until they back the fuck off. I've dealt with abusive bullies,the only thing they respond to is strength and force. Anything else is perceived as weakness and they escalate.

Joe Biden treated Paul Ryan with more respect than he deserved the other night. It's the same thing I used to do with my first husband when I knew he was full of shit,it's what I still do when my teenager thinks I'm going to believe some lame ass lie to cover up some dumb thing he's done. You laugh,you react like you can't believe how damned dumb they think you are.

101 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:03:41pm

re: #96 JamesWI

Jesus fucking christ.....

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Mind you, this is at a brunch with his father, and Reince Priebus, in attendance.

Can we please call the TPGOP a bunch of bigots (either that or a bunch of power-hungry cynics that pander to bigots) NOW?

102 Interesting Times  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:07:21pm
103 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:09:52pm

Erggh...too full...so sleepy...

A salad, followed by breaded porkchops fried in bacon grease, homemade au gratin potatoes, and steamed spinach...

I'll be back after my nap... :D

104 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:10:18pm

re: #102 Interesting Times

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105 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:10:29pm

re: #100 A Mom Anon

And we're supposed to be civil to these fucking people. No. I am sorry but these people are bullies and extremely nasty.You don't handle them with nice and polite. It doesn't work. You hit them hard,you don't let up until they back the fuck off. I've dealt with abusive bullies,the only thing they respond to is strength and force. Anything else is perceived as weakness and they escalate.

Joe Biden treated Paul Ryan with more respect than he deserved the other night. It's the same thing I used to do with my first husband when I knew he was full of shit,it's what I still do when my teenager thinks I'm going to believe some lame ass lie to cover up some dumb thing he's done. You laugh,you react like you can't believe how damned dumb they think you are.

Exactly.
They mistake kindness for weakness.
In so many ways, the Dems., in trying to be the adults in the room, have enabled these bastards.
If we don't hit back, and I mean hard, we're gonna lose.

106 A Mom Anon  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:10:48pm

re: #99 Gus

Sigh. That made me so sad. I was born in Lancaster. It used to be a really strong union town,lots of small manufacturing jobs. My grandma worked for Anchor Hocking there for nearly 40 yrs. My other grandma worked in the Drew Shoes factory for nearly the same amount of time. One grandpa worked as a truck driver for Grainger,the other was an electrician,all in unions,all able to live comfortably after retirement. All made good salaries,raised a total of 12 kids,had nice homes and cars. That area is devastated now,because the companies that got successful off those workers weren't loyal to them,not like the workers were to the companies. And they keep voting against their best interest over crap like race and social issues.

107 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:12:39pm
108 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:12:58pm

re: #106 A Mom Anon

Sigh. That made me so sad. I was born in Lancaster. It used to be a really strong union town,lots of small manufacturing jobs. My grandma worked for Anchor Hocking there for nearly 40 yrs. My other grandma worked in the Drew Shoes factory for nearly the same amount of time. One grandpa worked as a truck driver for Grainger,the other was an electrician,all in unions,all able to live comfortably after retirement. All made good salaries,raised a total of 12 kids,had nice homes and cars. That area is devastated now,because the companies that got successful off those workers weren't loyal to them,not like the workers were to the companies. And they keep voting against their best interest over crap like race and social issues.

Racism still runs deep in the Buckeye state.

109 A Mom Anon  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:16:38pm

re: #108 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Yeah,I doubt it's going to get better soon,especially outside the major cities. It's a damned shame too. SE Ohio is actually beautiful,especially in the spring and fall,but any way to make a living is pretty much gone. That's why I left in the early 80's.

110 Varek Raith  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:18:31pm

833.9 MPH in a 35 zone.
Tsk tsk.

111 researchok  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:20:12pm

re: #110 Varek Raith

I wonder how many points he'll lose?

112 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:20:49pm

re: #109 A Mom Anon

Yeah,I doubt it's going to get better soon,especially outside the major cities. It's a damned shame too. SE Ohio is actually beautiful,especially in the spring and fall,but any way to make a living is pretty much gone. That's why I left in the early 80's.

That's a big part of the problem.
I'm in NE Ohio. Once the factories left, places like Cleveland and Youngstown are shadows.

113 R.M, Ramallo  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:23:30pm

Ah well.
Jason and the Argonauts is on.
BBL

114 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:24:37pm
115 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:29:37pm

re: #4 Digital Display

Well I'm sorry to say this. Biden acted like this was a 7th grade debate not a debate for the 2nd most powerful person in the world. His behavior was off putting to me.

And to me as well. Biden could have stood firm but still showed class' Instead he acted like an asshole. Mitt Romney should take that as a warning and if Obama tries acting like that, Romney should be just as hostile in return.

Moreover. if Mitt is getting a good line going he should simply steamroll Candy Crowley and press on. Paul Ryan let that happen too often and it cost him.

116 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:29:39pm

I've really begun to tire of the low-rent televangelists that are third party supporters. When one tells me that they've decided they can't support the two major parties and will vote for a third, that's all well and good, something I can respect. But when you get in my face, tell me that the only way to save America is to vote out the "duopoly," and declare that somehow the salvation of America rests in one third party or another, then I just wanna shake ya to your eyes fall out.

117 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:30:46pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

And to me as well. Biden could have stood firm but still showed class' Instead he acted like an asshole. Mitt Romney should take that as a warning and if Obama tries acting like that, Romney should be just as hostile in return.

Moreover. if Mitt is getting a good line going he should simply steamroll Candy Crowley and press on. Paul Ryan let that happen too often and it cost him.

Like Obama stood firm and watched as Willard steamrolled over Lehrer in order to dictate the tone of the debate?

118 JamesWI  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:31:56pm

re: #117 Targetpractice

Like Obama stood firm and watched as Willard steamrolled over Lehrer in order to dictate the tone of the debate?

When it's a Republican doing it, it shows he's an "ALPHA MALE!!!!!!" When a Democrat does it, he's an asshole.

The logic of a hack.

119 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:32:19pm
120 dragonath  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:33:18pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

The sad part is that comments like this mean that Obama being polite impressed no one.

Thanks for the confirmation.

121 Only The Lurker Knows  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:33:52pm

re: #53 darthstar

I'd love to see someone in Tuesday's town hall ask Mitt Romney about Sensata.

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So would I. I would also like to say I admire the Cop. He handled the situation in a fair manner.

122 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:35:33pm

re: #117 Targetpractice

Like Obama stood firm and watched as Willard steamrolled over Lehrer in order to dictate the tone of the debate?

Biden was worse than Mitt by a good bit (though my opinion is admittedly biased on that score), but he won the debate and so did Romney. Lesson to learn: Nice Guys Finish Last. Mitt needs to remember that and hammer Obama hard.

123 efuseakay  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:35:58pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

And to me as well. Biden could have stood firm but still showed class' Instead he acted like an asshole. Mitt Romney should take that as a warning and if Obama tries acting like that, Romney should be just as hostile in return.

Moreover. if Mitt is getting a good line going he should simply steamroll Candy Crowley and press on. Paul Ryan let that happen too often and it cost him.

Again, I have to repeat this. Who is the bigger asshole. The one knowingly lying to the American people, or the one calling him out on his bullshit?

Of course, I do expect you to answer in a manner devoid of all logical thought and intellectual honesty.

124 JamesWI  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:36:19pm

re: #121 Only The Lurker Knows

So would I. I would also like to say I admire the Cop. He handled the situation in a fair manner.

It's a CNN host doing the moderating though, so I doubt we'll actually hear from anyone with questions that would make CNN look like they're "liberal." Because that would just ruin their carefully crafted image as the Magical Balance Fairy.

125 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:36:49pm

re: #118 JamesWI

When it's a Republican doing it, it shows he's an "ALPHA MALE!!!!!!" When a Democrat does it, he's an asshole.

The logic of a hack.

When a Republican steamrolls a Democrat in a debate that's strength.

When a Democrat steamrolls a Republican in a debate that's bullying and the Republican is a victim.

No one ever saw Obama as a victim of Romney in the first debate - fringe whiners notwithstanding. The Republicans however see Paul Ryan as a victim of Joe Biden.

Weak sauce on the Republicans' part.

126 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:37:38pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

And to me as well. Biden could have stood firm but still showed class' Instead he acted like an asshole. Mitt Romney should take that as a warning and if Obama tries acting like that, Romney should be just as hostile in return.

You can't even be consistent within one single paragraph. If Biden's strategy failed then if Obama emulates it why argue that Romney should follow suit?

127 efuseakay  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:38:22pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Biden was worse than Mitt by a good bit (though my opinion is admittedly biased on that score), but he won the debate and so did Romney. Lesson to learn: Nice Guys Finish Last. Mitt needs to remember that and hammer Obama hard.

But that would make Mitt an asshole. You wouldn't vote for an asshole, would you?

128 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:38:45pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Biden was worse than Mitt by a good bit (though my opinion is admittedly biased on that score), but he won the debate and so did Romney. Lesson to learn: Nice Guys Finish Last. Mitt needs to remember that and hammer Obama hard.

You act as thought Willard will do something else. Like, you know, be honest for once.

129 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:44:08pm

A party whose vice president, Dick Cheney, told Senator Pat Leahy to go fuck himself on the Senate floor and was subsequently applauded by all on the right is offended!

130 jamesfirecat  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:44:09pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

And to me as well. Biden could have stood firm but still showed class' Instead he acted like an asshole. Mitt Romney should take that as a warning and if Obama tries acting like that, Romney should be just as hostile in return.

Moreover. if Mitt is getting a good line going he should simply steamroll Candy Crowley and press on. Paul Ryan let that happen too often and it cost him.

Exactly what things did Biden do that screamed "Asshole" to you?

131 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:45:34pm

re: #130 jamesfirecat

Exactly what things did Biden do that screamed "Asshole" to you?

Well he smirked! Not just smiled, but smirked! And he was laughing, something you just don't do! These are supposed to be very serious, somber affairs! Showing any emotion besides perhaps a bit of a smile when the other candidate addresses you is outright rude!

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132 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:45:39pm

re: #127 efuseakay

But that would make Mitt an asshole. You wouldn't vote for an asshole, would you?

Only Donks are assholes. Simple simple!

133 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:47:39pm

re: #132 Stanley Sea

Only Donks are assholes. Simple simple!

Yep. It's for the greater good since Donks want to destroy Murica while the Repugs want to save America. Don't you want to be on the winning team?

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134 dragonath  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:47:45pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Lesson to learn: Nice Guys Finish Last. Mitt needs to remember that and hammer Obama hard.

You can pull off a lot of things in the absence of moderation.

135 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:47:52pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

And to me as well. Biden could have stood firm but still showed class' Instead he acted like an asshole.

But seriously - don't you sometimes feel a little uncomfortable with parroting the right wing line?

Biden did not "act like an asshole," he acted like someone who was well-prepared, who knew the facts, and who heard a self-satisfied smug liar start peddling his robotic, dishonest talking points.

Biden gave Ryan's lies exactly the respect they deserved: none.

136 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:49:41pm

Republicans refuse to take personal responsibility for their VP debate. It wasn't "Ryan's fault" it was "Biden's fault."

Democrats on the other hand are willing to take personal responsibility for the first POTUS debate.

137 A Mom Anon  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:49:43pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

Exactly. Nice guys finish last,didn't I just hear that somewhere? I swear I did.

138 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:50:17pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

But seriously - don't you sometimes feel a little uncomfortable with parroting the right wing line?

Biden did not "act like an asshole," he acted like someone who was well-prepared, who knew the facts, and who heard a self-satisfied smug liar start peddling his robotic, dishonest talking points.

Biden gave Ryan's lies exactly the respect they deserved: none.

Indeed, that was a large part of Obama's mistake, which was treating Willard's lies as though they were something worthy of debate, rather than derision. When your opponent tries to bury you in lies, acting as though he's trying to engage in serious debate is suicidal. Of course, that's been part of Obama's problem from the start, an inability to acknowledge that the GOP simply wants him out of office, rather than being some "loyal opposition."

139 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:50:53pm

If a Republican become a drug addict it's not his fault. It's the fault of the 60s generation, liberal, hippies and Democrats that created this social climate. The Republican is once again, a victim.

140 engineer cat  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:52:43pm

re: #136 Gus

Republicans refuse to take personal responsibility for their VP debate. It wasn't "Ryan's fault" it was "Biden's fault."

Democrats on the other hand are willing to take personal responsibility for the first POTUS debate.

a really common gop tactic these days is to be sure to accuse your opponent of an offense you are about to commit

141 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:52:46pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Biden was worse than Mitt by a good bit (though my opinion is admittedly biased on that score), but he won the debate and so did Romney. Lesson to learn: Nice Guys Finish Last. Mitt needs to remember that and hammer Obama hard.

So, you say that Biden was more of an (perceived) asshole to Ryan than Romney was to Obama and your solution is...for Romney to be even more assholish next debate?

Great logic there, Dark...

*whistles*

142 A Mom Anon  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:52:53pm

re: #138 Targetpractice

They also perceive any semblance of fair play or decency as weakness,as much as they're whining about what a big meanie Joe Biden is. This is what bullies do,they always cry when you punch back,ALWAYS.

143 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:54:13pm

re: #140 engineer cat

a really common gop tactic these days is to be sure to accuse your opponent of an offense you are about to commit

See also Willard declaring during an interview in the weeks prior to the first debate that Obama would lie during the debate.

144 dragonath  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:54:49pm

I love being told what manners are from the party of Rush, Hannity, and Ann Coulter, boy howdy.

145 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:56:07pm

re: #144 dragonath

I love being told what manners are from the party of Rush, Hannity, and Ann Coulter, boy howdy.

This.

146 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:56:43pm

Sorry I'm in and out, but I'm filling out some paperwork for a job interview I have on Tuesday.

147 engineer cat  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:56:58pm

romney comparing obama to his kids when they lie repeatedly? highly disrespectful and rude. other republicans took up the approach, anne saying obama was like a kid in a sandbox, and some bloggers even calling him a "boy"

curiously very little whining about this on the part of us democrats

148 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:57:31pm

re: #129 Gus

A party whose vice president, Dick Cheney, told Senator Pat Leahy to go fuck himself on the Senate floor and was subsequently applauded by all on the right is offended!

B-b-but, that's different!!!

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149 Only The Lurker Knows  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 4:58:24pm

re: #95 JeffFX

Thanks for the link Gus. I hadn't donated this cycle, and you just motivated me to get it done.

Does anybody have the texting link to donate? I caught it once on a campaign commercial, but didn't get a chance to write it down.

150 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:00:21pm

re: #130 jamesfirecat

Exactly what things did Biden do that screamed "Asshole" to you?

Biden (or the mod) didn't roll over for Ryan's bullshit...

151 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:01:33pm

Is anyone else having to reload the page after every post?

152 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:01:36pm

re: #149 Only The Lurker Knows

Does anybody have the texting link to donate? I caught it once on a campaign commercial, but didn't get a chance to write it down.

62262

153 KoolEarl  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:03:03pm

PPP just tweeted FL: RMoney up 49-48. Much better than the dire Tampa Bay Times poll.

154 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:03:46pm

re: #152 Gus

62262

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

155 jamesfirecat  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:04:04pm

re: #151 Dark_Falcon

Is anyone else having to reload the page after every post?

I sometimes have something like that happen when I'm using my ipad, sometimes it reloads the page every time I try to up/down ding a post.

(Not sure if you're on mobile device or computer)

156 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:05:28pm

re: #140 engineer cat

a really common gop tactic these days is to be sure to accuse your opponent of an offense you are about to commit

Of course, so they can justify it...

157 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:07:53pm

re: #155 jamesfirecat

I sometimes have something like that happen when I'm using my ipad, sometimes it reloads the page every time I try to up/down ding a post.

(Not sure if you're on mobile device or computer)

I'm on a desktop, running Firefox.

158 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:09:39pm

re: #153 KoolEarl

PPP just tweeted FL: RMoney up 49-48. Much better than the dire Tampa Bay Times poll.

And how sure are you of the numbers in either case? A Tweet means nothing. The better poll can only be determined by laying both polls side-by-side.

159 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:11:16pm

The party of the Department of Vagina Regulatory Agency is offended by the word "vagina."

160 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:11:20pm

Season premier of The Walking Dead starts in less than an hour.

161 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:12:36pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

Season premier of The Walking Dead starts in less than an hour.

For the East Coasters. We gotta wait. Right? I'm very very excited to meet the Gov. & Michonne.

162 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:14:04pm

re: #161 Stanley Sea

Nope, starts at 6 pm Pacific time.

163 wrenchwench  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:14:38pm

re: #151 Dark_Falcon

Is anyone else having to reload the page after every post?

I'm having weird posting behavior on a Page. (I'm not posting weirdly, the Page behaves weirdly.) On the Page, it doesn't look like my comment posted, but there's a new comment, and it's mine, which showed up normally in the Spy.

164 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:15:57pm

re: #113 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Ah well.
Jason and the Argonauts is on.
BBL

Hydra's teeth for the win!

165 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:16:59pm

re: #163 wrenchwench

Which page is that?

166 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:17:30pm

I think I may have put too short of a timeout in those Ajax functions. Now checking.

167 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:18:18pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

Nope, starts at 6 pm Pacific time.

HOLY FUCK. I am so happy. Thanks!

168 wrenchwench  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:18:57pm

re: #165 Charles Johnson

Which page is that?

The one you just tested on.

169 Only The Lurker Knows  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:19:58pm

re: #154 Gus

Thanks. If they go through, Obama Just got $50.00.

170 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:20:37pm
171 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:20:42pm

re: #168 wrenchwench

The one you just tested on.

Did it sit there for a while with the busy wheel, then just go back as if the comment had posted, but nothing showed up?

172 wrenchwench  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:22:24pm

re: #171 Charles Johnson

Did it sit there for a while with the busy wheel, then just go back as if the comment had posted, but nothing showed up?

Yep, with my typing still in the composition box, and a new comment indicated on the 'New Comments' button.

173 Ghost of Tom Joad  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:24:27pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

And to me as well. Biden could have stood firm but still showed class' Instead he acted like an asshole. Mitt Romney should take that as a warning and if Obama tries acting like that, Romney should be just as hostile in return.

Moreover. if Mitt is getting a good line going he should simply steamroll Candy Crowley and press on. Paul Ryan let that happen too often and it cost him.

Oh please, you were probably creaming your Cheney underwear over how Romney 'won' the first debate because Obama did nothing to challenge Romney's bullshit, yet Biden challenges your boy on his garbage and it's "omg Biden's an asshole!"

Probably 80+% of the folks here are giving you the same "this guy is full of shit" smirk that Biden gave Ryan, and rightfully so.

174 wrenchwench  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:24:47pm

Otherwise, things have been fast and flawless since the reboot. In particular I am happy that the Spy never quits on me now.

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Later, lizards.

175 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:27:04pm

re: #172 wrenchwench

Yep, with my typing still in the composition box, and a new comment indicated on the 'New Comments' button.

Yep, that was a timeout. I reverted that code back to the previous version, without the timeout setting.

176 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:29:08pm

'Tis an intricate beast, all this code that makes LGF.

177 Ghost of Tom Joad  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:30:17pm

re: #174 wrenchwench

Like lightning now. Have to donate a few bucks.

178 recusancy  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:30:30pm

Ryan reminds me of someone:
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179 KoolEarl  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:33:18pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

Dude, I am just passing along information about a poll.

180 allegro  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:35:26pm

re: #178 recusancy

Ryan reminds me of someone:
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Close. I keep thinking about that condescending expression Ryan had when he mentioned how Biden should know that words don't always come out the way he wants in response to Mitt's 47% truth-telling-when-he-didn't-know-he-was-being-recorded. I wanted to slap the snot outa him. Biden handled it much better with "I mean what I say, so did Mitt." Perfect.

181 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:36:39pm

re: #179 KoolEarl

Dude, I am just passing along information about a poll.

I'm not attacking you, but I am somewhat annoyed with P3 for tweeting results prior to posting the poll and its methodology.

182 KoolEarl  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:41:31pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

Whatever....

183 JamesWI  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:42:05pm

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

And how sure are you of the numbers in either case? A Tweet means nothing. The better poll can only be determined by laying both polls side-by-side.

One of the poll aggregator guys on Twitter posted that the average of the last 5 polls in Florida is something like Romney +2.....so I'm much more inclined to believe that the +7 poll was the outlier, not the +1

184 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:44:48pm

Happy happy. Walking Dead on at 6, Gators #2 in BCS. My exceptionally boring (but relaxed) Sunday just became a little animated.

185 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:44:57pm

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186 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:46:29pm
187 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:47:46pm

re: #186 Stanley Sea

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I was just thinking about the crossover potential between the two shows. There are some cool possibilities.

188 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:50:02pm

re: #187 Killgore Trout

I was just thinking about the crossover potential between the two shows. There are some cool possibilities.

Throw in an elderly Don Draper.

189 KoolEarl  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:50:55pm

re: #183 JamesWI

PPP showed 10 point reversal amongst independant voters.

190 Killgore Trout  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:51:29pm

For those who know the Walking dead lexicon: Do they ever find out what caused or even wonder about the zombies? Nobody in the show seems to even mention it?
/No spoilers in answers please.

191 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 5:55:21pm

re: #190 Killgore Trout

For those who know the Walking dead lexicon: Do they ever find out what caused or even wonder about the zombies? Nobody in the show seems to even mention it?
/No spoilers in answers please.

Not known, yet. I would guess a virus. A bad assed virus.

Herschel's comment was the best, "I knew we were promised a resurrection by Jesus, but this is not what I had in mind." (paraphrased)

192 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 6:01:28pm
193 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 6:05:58pm

re: #181 Dark_Falcon

I'm not attacking you, but I am somewhat annoyed with P3 for tweeting results prior to posting the poll and its methodology.

The methodology was made available an hour ago, at the same time as the tweet was sent.

194 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 6:07:22pm

re: #191 Stanley Sea

Not known, yet. I would guess a virus. A bad assed virus.

Herschel's comment was the best, "I knew we were promised a resurrection by Jesus, but this is not what I had in mind." (paraphrased)

Even in the comics, there's been no answer as to how it started or who/what started it. It seems to follow a very Romero-style bent, however, in that anybody who dies from something that doesn't destroy the brain will be changed. The bites just cause a massive infection that burns out the sufferer.

195 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 6:07:50pm

re: #192 Gus

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Pukecannon: King of lies and hate, claims to care about women. That's about as credible as Baghdad Bob.

196 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 6:08:16pm

re: #193 goddamnedfrank

The methodology was made available an hour ago, at the same time as the tweet was sent.

The last time that wasn't true.

197 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 6:09:53pm

re: #193 goddamnedfrank

I also think it oversampled Democrats, though not so much so as to be dishonest.

198 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 6:11:51pm

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

The last time that wasn't true.

Yes it was. You have to actually look for the poll instead of complaining about not being spoon fed information. They don't link to it in the tweet, but it's always available at the same time if you look on their blog.

199 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 6:15:30pm

re: #198 goddamnedfrank

Yes it was. You have to actually look for the poll instead of complaining about not being spoon fed information. They don't link to it in the tweet, but it's always available at the same time if you look on their blog.

I had checked their website, Frank, and I did not find it there. I wasn't being lazy, I did actually look.

Heading upstairs...

200 Only The Lurker Knows  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 6:38:08pm

Night Lizards. Have to start rebuilding a couple of computers that were seized by Local /State/Federal officials about 21 months ago and have now been returned, because the they didn't find anything.

Why were they seized? Child Porn. Do you do wireless? Do you use encryption? We did. We (used to) use the (basically) useless WEP encryption.

It failed and it bit us in the ass.

We thought we where protected. We were not. As a result,We got hammered with a Federal ICE warrant because someone managed to break our code and use our access point to look for and download this crap.

Not to denigrate from a Woman who has been actually, physically raped, but to have your home, your foundation, invaded by strangers, who do what they want, while you are forced to stand back, well, I don't think rape is to harsh of a term to use.

201 prairiefire  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 7:37:44pm

re: #200 Only The Lurker Knows

Yikes.

202 steve_davis  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:48:00am

re: #22 engineer cat

i could believe reagan's and the bush's wins, because they did a much better job of lying

r&r just clearly explain how they will screw the middle class and then smilingly claim that the outcome of abusing you will be that you will be better off

two weeks ago it wasn't working and i can't for the life of me understand why they are suddenly winning now

if there is somebody here who's changed their mind since the first debate, perhaps they can explain to me why they decided that getting a crappier deal suddenly sounded like a great idea

one-third of lower income people support Romney. It isn't just that they're stupid. It's that there are a ton of mostly religious people in this country who really do believe that enormous wealth makes you a member of the elect, and God obviously only has members of the elect who are righteous in his eyes. So consequently, poor people are poor and miserable for the simple reason that they deserve to be.


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