In Other GOP Racist News, Disgraced Gov. Mark Sanford Says Obama Will ‘Throw a Lot of Spears’

Yet another totally not-racist Republican politician
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It’s a racism two-fer today; not only are white conservatives laughing about sending Barack Obama “back to Kenya,” former Gov. Mark Sanford predicted on Fox News (where else?) that at the next debate, Obama will “throw a lot of spears.”

Former South Carolina Governor and Fox News contributor Mark Sanford wandered off the Appalachian Trail again Sunday morning when, in yet another completely isolated example of a Republican being totally-not-racist even though he sounds racist, said that President Obama is going to “come out and throw a lot of spears” at Tuesday’s upcoming debate.

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1 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:16:28pm

He should return to hiking the Appalachian Trail.

2 Lidane  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:17:16pm
3 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:17:30pm

You know, ever since Coulter ran off at the mouth about how OJ's acquittal being the end of "white guilt," I've found myself wondering if she's got the date set a little too far back. I honestly think that a lot of wingnuts and Republican politicians viewed Obama's election as the end of a need to be PC. That a black man in the White House meant they could be as racist as they liked again with an excuse that his election meant white people had "gotten over" their "guilt."

4 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:18:27pm

I see a trend here.

Why just the other day some other Republican was saying how fortunate it was for American blacks to have been slaves.

5 Mattand  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:18:50pm

Jesus Christ, they're not even trying to hide the white sheets and burning crosses anymore.

I have to admit, I can't wait for the the conservative spin on this one. I'm sure "I had no idea that 'spear chucker' was an offensive racial slur" will be galloping to the front of the pack in not time.

Followed by some conservative saying that I'm putting words in Sanford's mouth because he didn't exactly use the phrase "spear chucker".

6 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:19:23pm

Rush Limbaugh. I mean come on now. Seriously. Rick Santorum's "blah people."

7 Ghost of Tom Joad  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:19:35pm

That line should put smiles on the faces of a few of my family members, who, sadly enough, refer to B.O. as, you guessed it, a "spear chucker."

8 Mattand  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:20:20pm

re: #7 Ghost of Tom Joad

That line should put smiles on the faces of a few of my family members, who, sadly enough, refer to B.O. as, you guessed it, a "spear chucker."

If they're anything like my family, "spear chucker" is positively gentile and restrained.

9 makeitstop  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:21:12pm

re: #5 Mattand

Jesus Christ, they're not even trying to hide the white sheets and burning crosses anymore.

I have to admit, I can't wait for the the conservative spin on this one. I'm sure "I had no idea that 'spear chucker' was an offensive racial slur" will be galloping to the front of the pack in not time.

Followed by some conservative saying that I'm putting words in Sanford's mouth because he didn't exactly use the phrase "spear chucker".

We're the real racists for objecting to Sanford's choice of words.
///

10 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:21:13pm

re: #5 Mattand

Jesus Christ, they're not even trying to hide the white sheets and burning crosses anymore.

I have to admit, I can't wait for the the conservative spin on this one. I'm sure "I had no idea that 'spear chucker' was an offensive racial slur" will be galloping to the front of the pack in not time.

Followed by some conservative saying that I'm putting words in Sanford's mouth because he didn't exactly use the phrase "spear chucker".

And following that will be "It wasn't a racist statement! The only way you could see racism in that is if you're racist!"

11 Mattand  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:22:48pm

re: #9 makeitstop

re: #10 Targetpractice

Yeah, classic DARVO. Forgot about that one.

Karl Rove's legacy, still working its twisted magic.

12 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:23:05pm

Sad really. I wish they weren't this way. But the Republican Party has become the party of bigots.

13 Ghost of Tom Joad  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:23:06pm

re: #8 Mattand

If they're anything like my family, "spear chucker" is positively gentile and restrained.

Yeah, pretty much. One gun-humping NRA lifer and another uneducated redneck in-law (somehow O's fault his drop-out ass can't keep a minimum-wage job). Plus others down the line. I try to play dead on holidays, but most live close enough to check if I'm f.o.s.

14 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:23:36pm

Reality: Fox News' Mark Sanford Says Obama Will Be Aggressive at Debate, "Come Out and Throw a Lot of Spears" - Lib Dimwit: OMG! He Just Called Obama a "Spearchucker"!!... | Weasel Zippers

Another brain dead lefty trying way too hard to find racism where it doesn't exist. In this case, the always shrieking Tommy Christopher of Mediaite.

16 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:24:36pm

The comments at Weasel Zippers are full of blatant in your face racism, of course.

17 AntonSirius  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:24:37pm

Next up: Rick Santorum says that Obama "hops around the truth like a rabbit dodging carnivores in the jungle."

18 Lidane  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:24:37pm

re: #12 Gus

Sad really. I wish they weren't this way. But the Republican Party has become the party of bigots.

They've been the party of bigots since the advent of the Southern Strategy. It's just more blatant now that we have a black POTUS.

19 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:24:49pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

Reality: Fox News' Mark Sanford Says Obama Will Be Aggressive at Debate, "Come Out and Throw a Lot of Spears" - Lib Dimwit: OMG! He Just Called Obama a "Spearchucker"!!... | Weasel Zippers

No surprise. Weasel Zippers allows happy direct linking to white power sites.

20 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:24:52pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

You know, ever since Coulter ran off at the mouth about how OJ's acquittal being the end of "white guilt," I've found myself wondering if she's got the date set a little too far back. I honestly think that a lot of wingnuts and Republican politicians viewed Obama's election as the end of a need to be PC. That a black man in the White House meant they could be as racist as they liked again with an excuse that his election meant white people had "gotten over" their "guilt."

OJ was a turning point in race relations.
His acquittal pissed off a lot of white people.
Also Katrina and Rodney King.
I think Obama was the straw that broke the camel's back though.

21 Lidane  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:25:26pm
22 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:25:29pm

re: #9 makeitstop

We're the real racists for objecting to Sanford's choice of words.
///

Wingnut Logic: Only a racist would know what types of comments were racist, ergo by calling anyone out for racist remarks you reveal yourself to be racist.

23 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:25:53pm

re: #20 Reverend Mother Ramallo

OJ was a turning point in race relations.
His acquittal pissed off a lot of white people.
Also Katrina and Rodney King.
I think Obama was the straw that broke the camel's back though.

I could see that. Certainly fits with the assertion that he's the "Affirmative Action President."

24 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:26:34pm

I'm going to clear off while the clearing is good. Good Night.

25 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:26:40pm

I'm flashing back suddenly to the old SNL's Chevy Chase/Richard Pryor job interview sketch.

"Spear chucker!"

Except that was a funny sketch, and this is a former politician.

26 Destro  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:26:45pm

The GOP are not even trying to make their dog whistles clever anymore.

27 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:27:43pm

I would say that at least half of the opposition to Obama is racially based. Basically looking at 1/4 of America being a bunch of racist bigots. Easily plausible.

28 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:27:59pm

re: #25 Pawn of the Oppressor

I'm flashing back suddenly to the old SNL's Chevy Chase/Richard Pryor job interview sketch.

"Spear chucker!"

Except that was a funny sketch, and this is a former politician.

"Dead honky!"

29 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:28:39pm

Everyone knows you don't throw a spear. Spears are chucked. So I give two fails to Mark Sanford. One for using a racist theme. Another for fucking it up.

30 makeitstop  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:28:57pm

re: #27 Gus

I would say that at least half of the opposition to Obama is racially based. Basically looking at 1/4 of America being a bunch of racist bigots. Easily plausible.

The Magic 27%.

31 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:29:07pm

re: #5 Mattand

Jesus Christ, they're not even trying to hide the white sheets and burning crosses anymore.

I have to admit, I can't wait for the the conservative spin on this one. I'm sure "I had no idea that 'spear chucker' was an offensive racial slur" will be galloping to the front of the pack in not time.

Followed by some conservative saying that I'm putting words in Sanford's mouth because he didn't exactly use the phrase "spear chucker".

They might well just come clean, too.

"Yeah, we said it. And F you."

They can get away with it, so why pretend to have any shame?

32 Gus  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:29:09pm

Romney/Ryan

Image: Romney_and_Ryan_Campaign_In_Ohio.jpg

33 Mattand  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:29:19pm

re: #20 Reverend Mother Ramallo

OJ was a turning point in race relations.
His acquittal pissed off a lot of white people.
Also Katrina and Rodney King.
I think Obama was the straw that broke the camel's back though.

To paraphrase Reggie Hammond in 48 Hrs: "You know what I am? I'm your worst fuckin' nightmare, man. I'm a ni-CLANG! in the White House."

I'm sure that's how they hear it, at any rate.

34 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:30:57pm

Way OT, but Good Lord save me from 1st level script reading Internet Connection tech support. I'm pretty sure the real problem was a barfing router at the local office but I got to run through all of the step which didn't help until - magic! - it was working again!.

Foo.

As I was going to say at a much earlier point in the last thread, the saddest part is that I voted for Tommy Twit^wThompson in the primary.

And I still would. Slime that he is, he's still the least dangerous of the four that were running. If worst comes and we end up with a second republican senator, at least he'll cause the least amount of damage to our nation for those 6 years. But, God willing, Tammy will remain in the lead and carry the day in November.

35 AntonSirius  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:31:10pm

Newt: "Much like that boy whose name escapes me at the moment, Obama wants to keep giving pretty things to voters without paying for them until the whole economy melts like butter."

36 Ghost of Tom Joad  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:31:25pm

re: #27 Gus

I would say that at least half of the opposition to Obama is racially based. Basically looking at 1/4 of America being a bunch of racist bigots. Easily plausible.

Easily. That and party/ideological identification I'd bet are at least half. Hell, probably more.

37 Mattand  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:32:00pm

re: #12 Gus

Sad really. I wish they weren't this way. But the Republican Party has become the party of bigots.

Me, too. I've mentioned before that, IMO, this why so many conservatives have suddenly become "independents" over the last 4 years. They've seen how batshit the party has become over race, but won't admit it to themselves.

Instead of addressing the issue, they claim they have no party affiliation, yet somehow agree with the GOP on everything.

38 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:33:24pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

He should return to hiking the Appalachian Trail.

From the end of the last thread:

By continuing to support the Republicans, even down to local races, you (and those like you) are enabling and emboldening shitheads like these.

I'm not saying that you have to run out and register as a Democrat, but right now, like it or not, the Democrats, as a national party, are the only halfway sane alternative that is able to compete with the GOP right now (sorry, third parties).

39 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:35:46pm

re: #33 Mattand

To paraphrase Reggie Hammond in 48 Hrs: You know what I am? I'm your worst fuckin' nightmare, man. I'm a ni-CLANG! in the White House."

I'm sure that's how they hear it, at any rate.

Obama has usurped the power structure with his blackness.

40 aagcobb  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:35:48pm

From looking at Silver's blog, it appears the Romney bounce has stabilized. Now please God, make the President go out there and fight for the Office like he really wants it on Tuesday. I can't stand the thought of having to look at that insufferable prick Romney in the White House for four years.

41 Mattand  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:37:14pm

re: #39 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Obama has usurped the power structure with his blackness.

Word.

42 Lidane  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:38:03pm

re: #37 Mattand

Me, too. I've mentioned before that, IMO, this why so many conservatives have suddenly become "independents" over the last 4 years. They've seen how batshit the party has become over race, but won't admit it to themselves.

Instead of addressing the issue, they claim they have no party affiliation, yet somehow agree with the GOP on everything.

IMO, it's a form of cowardice. They refuse to admit that the GOP has gone off the fucking rails, so instead they claim to be "independent" but keep voting Republican anyway, as if that solves the problem. WTF.

43 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:38:54pm

re: #40 aagcobb

From looking at Silver's blog, it appears the Romney bounce has stabilized. Now please God, make the President go out there and fight for the Office like he really wants it on Tuesday. I can't stand the thought of having to look at that insufferable prick Romney in the White House for four years.

I'd like to believe we'll see a more assertive, more personable Obama on Tuesday, one more comfortable talking in a friendly fashion to a town hall audience than looking a college professor teaching class.

44 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:41:00pm

It gets worse:
Mexican Diplomat Says Obama Invited The Sinaloa Drug Cartel To Smuggle ‘Tons’ Of Drugs Into Chicago
(links to Free Republic re-post)

Naturally many freepers have added their gleeful endorsement to this "report."
They have also added elaborations such as the planes being routed through Gitmo and our presence in Afghanistan being an effort to control the opium trade.

In the meantime, I am conspiring with the light metals cartel to import tons of tinfoil into freeperland.

45 Ghost of Tom Joad  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:41:08pm

re: #42 Lidane

IMO, it's a form of cowardice. They refuse to admit that the GOP has gone off the fucking rails, so instead they claim to be "independent" but keep voting Republican anyway, as if that solves the problem. WTF.

Believe me, they couldn't give a flying shit about fixing any problems. The whole idea of calling themselves "independent" (I know a few Dem voters who do the same as well) is to avoid any and call discussion and confrontation on any specific issues. That's all it is. They likely don't care if their party has gone crazy.

46 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:41:22pm

re: #42 Lidane

IMO, it's a form of cowardice. They refuse to admit that the GOP has gone off the fucking rails, so instead they claim to be "independent" but keep voting Republican anyway, as if that solves the problem. WTF.

It's self delusion.
You can still wear the sheets (or whatever), but you think no one can see them.

47 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:42:38pm

"Did ya think of bringin' Hinter in here and askin' him to shave?!"

Youtube Video
48 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:43:02pm

re: #44 Shiplord Kirel

It gets worse:
Mexican Diplomat Says Obama Invited The Sinaloa Drug Cartel To Smuggle ‘Tons’ Of Drugs Into Chicago
(links to Free Republic re-post)

Naturally many freepers have added their gleeful endorsement to this "report."
They have also added elaborations such as the planes being routed through Gitmo and our presence in Afghanistan being an effort to control the opium trade.

In the meantime, I am conspiring with the light metals cartel to import tons of tinfoil into freeperland.

You'll be rich I tell you. Rich!

49 engineer cat  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:46:19pm

ire: #40 aagcobb

From looking at Silver's blog, it appears the Romney bounce has stabilized. Now please God, make the President go out there and fight for the Office like he really wants it on Tuesday. I can't stand the thought of having to look at that insufferable prick Romney in the White House for four years.

lastest poll is a ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Oct. 10-13, 2012, showing obama at 49% and romney at 46%

a little arithmetic shows that when this poll is added to the real clear politics avg, and assuming that rass and gallup hold steady tomorrow at romney 2 pts ahead, this will narrow romney's lead from 1.3% to .8%

but, like the red wheel barrow glazed with rain water beside the white chickens, so much depends on the debate next tuesday

50 makeitstop  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:47:31pm

re: #44 Shiplord Kirel

It gets worse:
Mexican Diplomat Says Obama Invited The Sinaloa Drug Cartel To Smuggle ‘Tons’ Of Drugs Into Chicago
(links to Free Republic re-post)

Mena II, Electric Boogaloo.

51 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:47:53pm

Off to bed.
I hope I don't have nightmares about zombies wearing Romney/Ryan t-shirts!
Nighty night!

52 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:48:45pm

re: #42 Lidane

IMO, it's a form of cowardice. They refuse to admit that the GOP has gone off the fucking rails, so instead they claim to be "independent" but keep voting Republican anyway, as if that solves the problem. WTF.

For people who champion "personal responsibility", those "independents" who still vote for the GOP, knowing what they know, are showing anything but personal responsibility.

53 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:49:45pm

Freeper comment of the day:

"Gun running was only a small part of the Fast and Furious scheme. I think they got it right .... a total Chicago Mob operation."

So now we have it all tied up into a kind of Grand Unified Obama conspiracy theory: He stays in Afghanistan to control the opium, gives the Sinaloa cartel a franchise in Chicago, has his henchman Holder supply their guns, and even routs their planes through Guantanamo.
No doubt the detainees at Gitmo are there merely to provide expendable slave labor for all the loading, sorting, processing, and packaging that goes into running a major drug operation. They are running low on numbers though and will soon have to be replaced. That's the real purpose of the long-planned roundup of patriots and Christians the evil O intends to initiate in his second term. Be afraid, wingnuts, be very afraid.

54 erik_t  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:51:01pm

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel

And he brought in Biden, the Amtrak expert, because Chicago Power Politics built the L!!! Eleventy!

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:51:30pm

OK, let's think of ways this could have been said better. How about "Next time, the president will come loaded for bear?"

56 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:51:30pm

re: #20 Reverend Mother Ramallo

OJ was a turning point in race relations.
His acquittal pissed off a lot of white people.
Also Katrina and Rodney King.
I think Obama was the straw that broke the camel's back though.

Why were white people mad about Katrina and Rodney King? They weren't left to drown or get beat by the cops.

57 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:53:42pm

re: #56 moderatelyradicalliberal

Why were white people mad about Katrina and Rodney King? They weren't left to drown or get beat by the cops.

BUT YOU MADE US FEEL GUILTY ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WERE!!! THAT'S WORSE!!!!!

///Bursts into tears, runs off wailing.

58 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:55:03pm

re: #53 Shiplord Kirel

Freeper comment of the day:

"Gun running was only a small part of the Fast and Furious scheme. I think they got it right .... a total Chicago Mob operation."

So now we have it all tied up into a kind of Grand Unified Obama conspiracy theory: He stays in Afghanistan to control the opium, gives the Sinaloa cartel a franchise in Chicago, has his henchman Holder supply their guns, and even routs their planes through Guantanamo.
No doubt the detainees at Gitmo are there merely to provide expendable slave labor for all the loading, sorting, processing, and packaging that goes into running a major drug operation. They are running low on numbers though and will soon have to be replaced. That's the real purpose of the long-planned roundup of patriots and Christians the evil O intends to initiate in his second term. Be afraid, wingnuts, be very afraid.

Ya, know, Tom Clancy is getting a bit long in the tooth. Smooth that up a bit, put a stock CIA heee-ro in there & a stock sniveling Lib-rul/Shoshalishist Villain in there and you could be raking in the dough.

Of course, doing it that way reminds me of Heinlein's comment on evangelical scammers - it's a nice paycheck if you can stomach the work...

59 makeitstop  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:56:18pm

re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, let's think of ways this could have been said better. How about "Next time, the president will come loaded for bear?"

'Throwing bombs' would have been perfectly acceptable. But the dogs would not have heard that whistle.

60 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:56:51pm

re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, let's think of ways this could have been said better. How about "Next time, the president will come loaded for bear?"

That's Great White Hunter stuff...won't happen with people who sound like they'd be comfortable at White Citizens' Council/Council of Concerned Citizens meetings.

/the "uptown Klan" never really went away, just into hibernation for a while

61 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 9:58:52pm

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

BUT YOU MADE US FEEL GUILTY ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WERE!!! THAT'S WORSE!!!!!

///Bursts into tears, runs off wailing.

Pretty much. A lot of them think the idea of "white guilt" is something only liberals believe in, that white people have nothing to be ashamed of because no black person alive today was ever a slave, and that society is cutting black people too much slack on the grounds that there's something to make up for. In their minds, the only way somebody like Obama could become president is because of his skin color, not because of who he is. He's not the "right kind" of black guy.

62 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:03:02pm

re: #55 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, let's think of ways this could have been said better. How about "Next time, the president will come loaded for bear?"

Not sure it could be said "better". It's ironic, in a way, but today's just a couple of weeks out from the election and the common lectionary pops up that gem of a lesson from Mark with the rich young ruler who asks Jesus what he needs to do to have eternal life. Jesus asks if he knows the commandments and the young guy says yes. Jesus, the text tells us, loves him and then goes all Franciscan on him and tells him to sell all his "stuff" and give it to the poor if he really wants to be saved. Rich guy can't hang.

There's a number of interpretations that are commonly used for this text, some closer to reality than others. Still it's pretty blatantly said that too much stuff you can't get rid of keeps you stuck and unable to move forward. I'm not sure there could be a better metaphor for the modern GOP than that.

63 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:04:24pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

Pretty much. A lot of them think the idea of "white guilt" is something only liberals believe in, that white people have nothing to be ashamed of because no black person alive today was ever a slave, and that society is cutting black people too much slack on the grounds that there's something to make up for. In their minds, the only way somebody like Obama could become president is because of his skin color, not because of who he is. He's not the "right kind" of black guy.

Unless you mean a conservative black, who the fuck so they want. That's what's been so confusing for black people. Barack Obama is damn near perfect as a human being. If a majority of white people don't like him, then they don't like any black people.

64 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:10:47pm

Arlen Specter has died at the age of 82. Too bad there was no one in the GOP for him to hand over the torch to lead moderate Republicans.

65 Mattand  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:11:13pm

re: #62 William Barnett-Lewis

There's a number of interpretations that are commonly used for this text, some closer to reality than others. Still it's pretty blatantly said that too much stuff you can't get rid of keeps you stuck and unable to move forward. I'm not sure there could be a better metaphor for the modern GOP than that.

"Do to others as you would have them do to you" leaps to mind. Of course, in their universe, the white man has been horribly discriminated against, lo these 4 years past, so maybe that's not such a great choice.

Isn't there a passage in the New Testament where Jesus says "Don't be a racist asswipe"?

66 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:11:15pm

re: #63 moderatelyradicalliberal

Unless you mean a conservative black, who the fuck so they want. That's what's been so confusing for black people. Barack Obama is damn near perfect as a human being. If a majority of white people don't like him, then they don't like any black people.

That's part of what burns them up so much, that Barack Obama is everything they say they want black people to be: smart, hard-working, a good family man, and a patriotic American. But he's a liberal Democrat, so they have to believe that he's not "really" an American.

67 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:14:45pm

re: #65 Mattand

Isn't there a passage in the New Testament where Jesus says "Don't a racist asswipe"?

This is from the NT.. The "Don't be an anti-government nutjob" passage.

Romans 13:1-7

1 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

68 JamesWI  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:15:33pm

New Wash. Post/ABC News poll

With +9 Dem sample in Registered voters, it's Obama with 50%, Romney with 43%.

In their screen for likely voters (they don't include Party ID breakdown there, for some reason), it's 49-46 for Obama.

69 dragonath  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:18:41pm

re: #68 JamesWI

I wonder if the Biden debate had any influence on those numbers...

70 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:18:56pm

re: #65 Mattand

"Do to others as you would have them do to you" leaps to mind. Of course, in their universe, the white man has been horribly discriminated against, lo these 4 years past, so maybe that's not such a great choice.

Isn't there a passage in the New Testament where Jesus says "Don't be a racist asswipe"?

I think the parable of the Good Samaritan was meant to nudge listeners in that direction, but since the modern audience wasn't raised to be bigoted against Samaritans, they sort of miss the point.

71 Mattand  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:19:20pm

re: #67 Mich-again

This is from the NT.. The "Don't be an anti-government nutjob" passage.

Oh, that is hysterical! Funny how you never hear Glenn Beck or Pat Robertson trot that one out.

Of course, I've been translating wingnut long enough to see how they'd spin that. Since Obama is obviously a Commie Foreign Muslim Atheist Socialist, his administration does not have the blessing of God. Therefore, it is okay to oppose him.

Kinda like how the 9-11 guys broke every rule in Wahhabism, under the theory that they were doing God's work undercover and he would forgive them.

72 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:20:04pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

That's part of what burns them up so much, that Barack Obama is everything they say they want black people to be: smart, hard-working, a good family man, and a patriotic American. But he's a liberal Democrat, so they have to believe that he's not "really" an American.

He brought his mother-in-law to live with them so she could help raise the girls, and the 'family values' wingnuts called it a ghetto thing to do and freaked out because she sometimes goes out in the evenings to see a show.

73 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:20:53pm

re: #69 dragonath

I wonder if the Biden debate had any influence on those numbers...

John Marshall over at TPM said Biden's job was fulfilled on Thursday, namely to get out there before the public what Democrats are offering in opposition to Romney/Ryan and to make the case for another 4 years in office. And he did so while getting Ryan to acknowledge, in some many words, that their plan is more smoke and mirrors than they've let on.

74 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:25:17pm

re: #71 Mattand

Of course, I've been translating wingnut long enough to see how they'd spin that. Since Obama is obviously a Commie Foreign Muslim Atheist Socialist, his administration does not have the blessing of God. Therefore, it is okay to oppose him.

As the pro bono devil's advocate I would point out that the exclusion based on the "God's blessing" standard does not apply here as it is assumed that anyone who has ever won an election fair or unfair had God to thank or curse for the results.

75 engineer cat  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:26:03pm

re: #67 Mich-again

This is from the NT.. The "Don't be an anti-government nutjob" passage.

early xtians of the gospel writing era were extremely concerned to represent themselves to romans as very loyal citizens who were definitely not going to make trouble. it is easy to forget that in the second half of the first century and well into the second, the jews from whom xtianity had sprung were mostly known to romans as troublemakers who had kicked the romans out and had to be reconquered in bloody campaigns not once but twice. thus the gospels go to considerable lengths to distance xtians from jews despite a certain amount of cognitive dissonance inherent in this

76 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:30:55pm
"Look at the President, he's ah, uhh, a socialist!"

What's a socialist?

"I'm not sure, but I know they like fried chicken."

-Bobcat Goldthwait

77 Mich-again  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:33:19pm

re: #75 engineer cat

early xtians of the gospel writing era were extremely concerned to represent themselves to romans as very loyal citizens who were definitely not going to make trouble.

Funny how the longer it all disappears in the rear view mirror the more the story changes.

79 makeitstop  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:40:45pm

re: #73 Targetpractice

John Marshall over at TPM

[pedant]

I've seen you post this a few times, and I gotta correct you.

It's Josh. Josh Marshall.

[/pedant]

80 Targetpractice  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:41:32pm

re: #79 makeitstop

[pedant]

I've seen you post this a few times, and I gotta correct you.

It's Josh. Josh Marshall.

[/pedant]

I blame exhaustion...from what, I'm not sure.

//

81 makeitstop  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:47:09pm

re: #78 engineer cat

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES VIEW THIS 'DO THE PAUL RYAN' MUSIC VIDEO YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED I REPEAT YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

Yeah, you warned me. Did I listen? Nope.

The 80s called while I was watching. They want all of their video cliches back.

82 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:49:39pm

G'night all.

83 Tigger2  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:54:41pm

re: #78 engineer cat

UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES VIEW THIS 'DO THE PAUL RYAN' MUSIC VIDEO YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED I REPEAT YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED

Thanks had to leave a comment there.

84 blueraven  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:57:35pm

heh

ObamavsRomney7/11

85 engineer cat  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:58:18pm

re: #83 Tigger2

Thanks had to leave a comment there.

somebody else left this comment

Critical, logical thinking comes to the conclusion that when a rich person buys a yacht, or oders a banquet for his friends, workers (shipbuilders and waiters and cooks) get work.

all oblivious to the fact that when a dishwasher buys a mcdonald's one dollar hamburger he is also in the very same way creating jobs

by the way barack if you're listening pleez tell mr mitt that ALL WORKING AMERICANS WHO BUY THINGS ARE "JOB CREATORS" thank you

86 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 10:58:48pm

re: #81 makeitstop

It's a trick! He is using reverse psychology on us, he is telling you not to look just to insure that you will, don't fall for it!

///that video is all kinds of fail.

87 efuseakay  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 11:18:23pm

This will be the first time in my life that I am voting a straight ticket... And I don't have one single regret.

88 Kragar  Sun, Oct 14, 2012 11:32:14pm

re: #87 efuseakay

This will be the first time in my life that I am voting a straight ticket... And I don't have one single regret.

If the GOP has taught me anything in the last few years, its that voting for any of them enables the worst of them.

89 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 12:37:16am

Damn you brain, I had almost forgotten 1975...

Youtube Video
90 Kragar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 12:47:14am

re: #89 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Damn you brain, I had almost forgotten 1975...

[Embedded content]

Youtube Video
91 researchok  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 12:47:48am

Morning, all

92 Kragar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 12:49:52am

Of course there were some good things out of 1975...

Youtube Video
93 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:34:21am

Morning Honcos.

94 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:48:20am

Worker Dies After Being Cooked In Tuna Plant Oven
[Link: losangeles.cbslocal.com...]

This would suck.

95 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:09:40am

Law Students Charged With Decapitating Exotic Bird at Vegas Casino
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
While it doesn't mention it in the article, I'll bet that it comes out that "Alcohol may have been a factor".

96 freetoken  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:26:00am

To go along with your early morning coffee, here is Prokofiev's op. 30 "Seven of them", a "cantata for a dramatic tenor, mixed chorus and large orchestra", and he does mean "dramatic":

MP3 Audio
97 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:43:15am

Zachary Cole Weston Stabbed Grandmother 111 Times In Salt Lake City, Prosecutor Claims
SALT LAKE CITY -- A Utah man accused of stabbing his grandmother 111 times told police he slit her heart and belly and removed several of her internal organs, prosecutors said in court documents.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

98 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:19:11am

re: #94 Cannadian Club Akbar

Worker Dies After Being Cooked In Tuna Plant Oven
[Link: losangeles.cbslocal.com...]

This would suck.

What brand of tuna was it?

99 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:22:33am

re: #98 Sheila Broflovski

What brand of tuna was it?

Bumble Bee.

101 fizzlogic  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:25:16am

re: #44 Shiplord Kirel
It was the same back in the 90s when Clinton was "known" to have helped smuggle cocaine through an airport in Arkansas. Rinse/Repeat.

Did you know that Clinton was a communist/marxist too?

102 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:25:39am

re: #99 Cannadian Club Akbar

Bumble Bee.

OH NOES!

Gotta stop buying that brand.

103 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:26:24am

Which are the most accurate polls to follow?

104 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:29:00am

re: #99 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #102 Sheila Broflovski

OH NOES!

Gotta stop buying that brand.

WHy?

Out of the millions of cans of tuna they produce the chances of you buying one with anything, ummm,, extra in it are slim!!!

//

105 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:29:19am

re: #103 Sheila Broflovski

Which are the most accurate polls to follow?

Nate Silver's compilation is probably the best. Fivethrityeight.

106 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:29:36am

re: #103 Sheila Broflovski

Which are the most accurate polls to follow?

From 2008.
[Link: blog.chron.com...]

107 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:43:14am

New $100 bills stolen en route to Fed facility
[Link: money.cnn.com...]

the theft occurred at some point between when the shipment of bills landed at the Philadelphia airport on a commercial flight

hmmm,, wonder if this is a regularly scheduled shipment.

I do have a two hour layover at the Philly airport this Wednesday!! Maybe I'll ,, umm,,, find something!!!
//

108 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:48:22am

Special Report: How Starbucks avoids UK taxes
(Reuters) - Starbucks' coffee menu famously baffles some people. In Britain, it's their accounts that are confusing. Starbucks has been telling investors the business was profitable, even as it consistently reported losses.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

109 diamonda2u  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:51:36am

So I guess now that the adulterer is remarried... he can come back into the GOP, holier than thou fold (a la Newt) and be a spokesperson... and to use his own words... he comes back in "throwing spears" at someone who is still married and taking care of their FIRST family.... unbelievable

110 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:56:58am

re: #109 diamonda2u

So I guess now that the adulterer is remarried... he can come back into the COP, holier than thou fold (a la Newt) and be a spokesperson... and to use his own words... he comes back in "throwing spears" at someone who is still married and taking care of their FIRST family.... unbelievable

Scumbags are scumbags in their personal lives, regardless of stripes

Newt, John Edwards, Sanford, Bill Clinton, etc etc

Is now as forever, Amen

111 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:58:04am

re: #108 Cannadian Club Akbar

Special Report: How Starbucks avoids UK taxes
(Reuters) - Starbucks' coffee menu famously baffles some people. In Britain, it's their accounts that are confusing. Starbucks has been telling investors the business was profitable, even as it consistently reported losses.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

I'm proud to say I have never given a Starbucks nickle one of my money

112 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:59:08am

re: #111 sattv4u2

I'm proud to say I have never given a Starbucks nickle one of my money

I've had it once but my brother paid for it.

113 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:01:04am

re: #108 Cannadian Club Akbar

Special Report: How Starbucks avoids UK taxes
(Reuters) - Starbucks' coffee menu famously baffles some people. In Britain, it's their accounts that are confusing. Starbucks has been telling investors the business was profitable, even as it consistently reported losses.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Lol, every corporations is like that I'd wager.
;)

114 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:02:43am

re: #112 Cannadian Club Akbar

I've had it once but my brother paid for it.

They just put a Starbucks kiosk into the grocery store I like to go to

I now go to a different one (same chain,, Krogers). Just something about the aroma of burnt coffee that's unappealing to the food shopping

115 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:05:38am

re: #114 sattv4u2

They just put a Starbucks kiosk into the grocery store I like to go to

I now go to a different one (same chain,, Krogers). Just something about the aroma of burnt coffee that's unappealing to the food shopping

There where 3 in Florida where I was. 2 were a bitch to pull into/out of. None were close. McDonald's was a 1/2 mile away.

116 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:05:58am

re: #113 Varek Raith

Lol, every corporations is like that I'd wager.
;)

I'm betting you're right.

117 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:09:00am

re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar

There where 3 in Florida where I was. 2 were a bitch to pull into/out of. None were close. McDonald's was a 1/2 mile away.

Same here. There's one on the westbound side of a divided highway two towns from me (on my way to work). There's no cut out to turn into or get out of their lot. You have to enter/ exit from the regular right (out of three) lanes

i've seen a fair share of rear end collisions there

118 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:15:31am

Starbucks coffee sucks.

119 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:16:48am

re: #118 Sheila Broflovski

Starbucks coffee sucks.

Guy I worked with used to get frapp/double shot/partridge in a pear tree. Cost him $8.

120 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:18:19am

re: #118 Sheila Broflovski

Starbucks coffee sucks.

Maxwell House FTW!

121 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:18:55am

re: #120 Varek Raith

Maxwell House FTW!

Tim Horton's!!!!!

122 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:19:04am

re: #68 JamesWI

New Wash. Post/ABC News poll

With +9 Dem sample in Registered voters, it's Obama with 50%, Romney with 43%.

In their screen for likely voters (they don't include Party ID breakdown there, for some reason), it's 49-46 for Obama.

OK, now I'll upding you. Thanks for providing the numbers breakdown.

123 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:19:04am

re: #120 Varek Raith

Maxwell House FTW!

Best coffee that you can make at home: Gevalia
Best coffee from a coffee place: WaWa in eastern PA

125 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:22:57am

Explains all the noise last night...

126 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:39:02am

George Will: Too Big to Maintain?

If in four weeks a president-elect Mitt Romney is seeking a Treasury secretary, he should look here, to Richard Fisher, president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas. Candidate Romney can enhance his chance of having this choice to make by embracing a simple proposition from Fisher: Systemically important financial institutions (SIFIs), meaning too-big-to-fail (TBTF) banks, are “too dangerous to permit.”

Romney almost did this in the first debate when he said the Dodd-Frank Act makes TBTF banks “effectively guaranteed by the federal government” and constitutes “the biggest kiss that’s been given to — to New York banks I’ve ever seen.” Fisher, who has a flair for rhetorical pungency, is more crisp:

There are 6,000 American banks, but “half of the entire banking industry’s assets” are concentrated in five institutions whose combined assets amount to almost 60 percent of the gross domestic product. And “the top 10 banks now account for 61 percent of commercial banking assets, substantially more than the 26 percent of only 20 years ago.” The problems posed by “supersized and hypercomplex banks” may, Fisher says, require anti-obesity policies equivalent to “irreversible lap-band or gastric bypass surgery.” The land of TBTFs is “a perverse financial Lake Wobegon” where all crises are “exceptional,” justifying “unique” solutions that are the same — meaning bailouts. This incurs “the wrath of ordinary citizens and smaller entities that resent this favorable treatment, and we plant the seeds of social unrest.”

Fisher cites Andrew Haldane of the Bank of England who calculates this: The assumption that certain banks have implicit TBTF status gives them preferential access to investment capital. In 2009, these silent subsidies enjoyed by TBTFs worldwide approached $2.3 trillion in value. Haldane notes a parallel between financial systems and epidemiological networks: Normal epidemiology involves “focusing preventive action on ‘super-spreaders’ within the network to limit the potential for systemwide spread.”

Endorsing the axiom (attributed to Napoleon) that one should “never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence,” Fisher says that TBTF banks “are sprawling and complex — so vast that their own management teams may not fully understand their own risk exposures, providing fertile ground for unintended ‘incompetence.’ ”

He's right, but its bit jarring when conservatives agree with the left on something. There's nothing for it, though. Too Big To Fail has been damaging for America and it needs to end.

127 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:39:14am

re: #99 Cannadian Club Akbar

I heard he got canned!

128 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:39:58am

re: #127 ReamWorks SKG

I heard he got canned!

Sounds fishy to me

129 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:41:59am

re: #127 ReamWorks SKG

I heard he got canned!

His queen kicked him out of the hive.

130 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:42:02am

What right wing sexism?

Letting women vote was a bad idea, Mississippi tea party leader says

A tea party leader in Mississippi rues the day that women won the right to vote. Women, she argues, are just too emotionally unstable and untrustworthy for the franchise. Yes, you read that right: The person making the case against women's suffrage is Central Mississippi Tea Party President Janis Lane, herself a beneficiary of the 19th Amendment.

131 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:42:51am

Les Freres Koch taking a page from that "Versailles" douchenozzle:

132 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:43:30am

MY stoopid phone wouldn't turn on ever though it has a full battery. Had to plug it in. WTF?

133 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:47:23am

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

Somehow I don't see your party agreeing to break up banks.
;)

134 A Mom Anon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:48:03am

re: #130 Lidane

Sigh. As always there are women who want to be popular with the boys club so they say shit like this. If women are so unstable,ya know,maybe SHE ought to be home making cookies and running errands and keep her pretty little head out of politics. Or whatever it is she thinks women ought to be doing to keep the general population safe from our"instability". Good lord. Was it Madeline Albright who said something about there being a special place in hell for women who don't help one another?

135 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:50:15am

re: #134 A Mom Anon

The hypocrisy is just annoying. She thinks women are too stupid and emotional to vote, so what's her solution? Going and voting to counteract what she calls a bunch of stupid and hysterical female votes. What. The. Fuck.

If she really thinks women shouldn't vote, then why bother being active in the Tea Party or in politics? Why vote at all?

136 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:52:36am
137 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:53:30am

re: #133 Varek Raith

Somehow I don't see your party agreeing to break up banks.
;)

I've never seen any great groundswell from any side. They're all too invested (pun intended) for it to make any headway

138 BongCrodny  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:54:06am

re: #123 Sheila Broflovski

Best coffee that you can make at home: Gevalia
Best coffee from a coffee place: WaWa in eastern PA

Thumbs up for WaWa.

I don't know whether they still do this, but a few years ago WaWa did *not* charge a fee for the use of their in-store ATM machines. I guess they figured you were likely to spend at least some of what you got at their store.

Became a big fan of WaWa after learning that. There are few things more annoying than getting the "double tap" from the ATM machine and a follow-up additional charge from your bank.

139 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:57:00am
140 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:57:21am

re: #137 sattv4u2

I've never seen any great groundswell from any side. They're all too invested (pun intended) for it to make any headway

Well, if your party had its way, the auto and banking industry would've collapsed.

141 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:57:41am

re: #131 Sheila Broflovski

Les Freres Koch taking a page from that "Versailles" douchenozzle:

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They're being a good bit smarter and more cautious about it. They don't issue a threat, Koch Industries simply informs its works that government policies have consequences for businesses. Obama's rules on coal, for example, will likely cost some Koch employees their jobs. Is Koch wrong to point out the impact of said regulations to said employees?

142 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:57:44am

re: #138 BongCrodny

I get paid through my job with a debit card (for now). $3 for using an ATM and 50 cents per transaction on purchases.

143 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:58:37am

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

They're being a good bit smarter and more cautious about it. They don't issue a threat, Koch Industries simply informs its works that government policies have consequences for businesses.

So overt threats bad, veiled threats OK?

144 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:59:41am

re: #140 Varek Raith

Well, if your party had its way, the auto and banking industry would've collapsed.

To be fair, George W. Bush did push through the banking bailout in 2008. John McCain voted for it and took time off from his campaign to ensure its passage. So the second part of your statement isn't really true.

145 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:01:14am

re: #140 Varek Raith

Well, if your party had its way, the auto and banking industry would've collapsed.

"my" party?

"My" only party is this coming Saturday night. Going to Boston for a reunion

146 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:01:30am

re: #143 Lidane

So overt threats bad, veiled threats OK?

Yes, basically. In any case, Koch Industries has no way of knowing how its employees voted. But those employees are voting against some of their interests if they vote for Obama, and I do not think it wrong to point that out.

BBIAB

147 A Mom Anon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:01:49am

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

Why is it jarring? It's SUPPOSED to work like that. This degree of polarization is abnormal and dysfunctional. It's why pretty much none of the various appointees Obama has put up have been or will be approved,so the offices are sitting vacant. It's why we have uproar over Libya and Fast and Furious(which,don't get me wrong are awful and horrendous things),but I'm still not hearing any plans from the GOP about job creation or fixing healthcare. The banking mess is just one more thing on the list of broken things the GOP is resistant to changing. Dodd/Frank is too nice,we need to go back to Glass/Stiegal. I've heard more than one member of the GOP bitch and moan about the new Consumer Protection Agency and they've tried over and over to vilify it and Elizabeth Warren who advocated like crazy for it.

When you have a party on freaking Inauguration Day meeting to make sure everyone in the party knew the sole goal was to make sure this president served one term only by stalling and filibustering and and doing whatever possible it took to stop positive change from occurring,I don't know how you can expect the other party to receive that as anything but hostile. There's politics and then there's GOVERNING,the GOP has decided the second one isn't their job anymore.

148 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:01:59am

re: #145 sattv4u2

"my" party?

"My" only party is this coming Saturday night. Going to Boston for a reunion

Will Jesus be there?
/

149 iossarian  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:02:39am

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

Yes, basically. In any case, Koch Industries has no way of knowing how its employees voted. But those employees are voting against some of their interests if they vote for Obama, and I do not think it wrong to point that out.

BBIAB

Claptrap. The only "employees" of Koch industries whose interests aren't best represented by Obama in this election are the fat bastards at the top of the pile.

150 iossarian  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:04:31am

re: #147 A Mom Anon

Bravo. As has often been pointed out, Obama could encourage Americans to breathe regularly to improve their health and the GOP would put out a press release condemning breathing as a godless communist perversion.

151 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:05:47am

re: #150 iossarian

Bravo. As has often been pointed out, Obama could encourage Americans to breathe regularly to improve their health and the GOP would put out a press release condemning breathing as a godless communist perversion.

If Koch Bros. was selling air in a bottle the GOP would denounce the "moochers" who think they are "entitled" to "free air."

152 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:08:06am

re: #148 Cannadian Club Akbar

Will Jesus be there?
/

Maybe. Trouble is, every time He's at one of these all we have is fish and bread

153 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:08:49am

re: #146 Dark_Falcon

But those employees are voting against some of their interests if they vote for Obama, and I do not think it wrong to point that out.

Coming from someone who votes Republican, that's hilarious. The GOP actively fights against the interests of those Koch employees all the damn time. The Koch brothers? They'll cater to them. The people who actually work for the Koch brothers and who earn considerably less? Not so much.

154 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:09:08am

re: #152 sattv4u2

Maybe. Trouble is, every time He's at one of these all we have is fish and bread

No wine? He must had coveted to be a Southern Baptist.
/

155 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:09:17am

re: #152 sattv4u2

Maybe. Trouble is, every time He's at one of these all we have is fish and bread

And wine, don't forget the wine.

156 BongCrodny  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:09:44am

re: #142 Cannadian Club Akbar

I get paid through my job with a debit card (for now). $3 for using an ATM and 50 cents per transaction on purchases.

Bloodsuckers.

157 A Mom Anon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:10:04am

re: #149 iossarian

It's also easy to talk about coal country when you don't live there and can't see the damage mining does to the air,land and water. Those miners could be trained and moved into other jobs,Koch and other companies are sitting on enough money to do that. The only people the Koch Brothers give two damns about are themselves. We're also seeing rich fucker lose their shit over having to pay Clinton era income taxes,a whopping 4 percent more at most. That is what most of this idiotic tantrum of theirs is about or at least what started it. Fuck them. They can forgo a weekly ass waxing or give up a solid gold bidet or something,they aren't going to be required to "sacrifice"anything if their taxes go up a couple percentage points or they lose a few loopholes. If they feel the need to fire people it's because those salaries cut into the amount of money they're hoarding for themselves.

158 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:11:04am

BBL

159 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:11:21am

re: #156 BongCrodny

Bloodsuckers.

I'm opening an account next week. I've only gotten one paycheck and it was small with a large amount going out.

160 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:13:21am

re: #130 Lidane

What right wing sexism?

Letting women vote was a bad idea, Mississippi tea party leader says

Then she should stop voting and leave it up to the sane ladies.

161 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:17:05am

re: #130 Lidane

What right wing sexism?

Letting women vote was a bad idea, Mississippi tea party leader says

Classic case of projection.

162 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:17:07am
163 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:18:04am
164 Artist  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:18:45am

re: #162 Lidane

What the flying fuck

165 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:19:03am

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, George W. Bush did push through the banking bailout in 2008. John McCain voted for it and took time off from his campaign to ensure its passage. So the second part of your statement isn't really true.

To be even fairer, they were fine with the bailouts until the ni-CLANG became sheriff. Then it magically became his idea and "OMFG SPENDING!TAXES!SOSHULISM!...........FREEDUMB!"

166 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:19:09am
167 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:20:18am

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, George W. Bush did push through the banking bailout in 2008. John McCain voted for it and took time off from his campaign to ensure its passage. So the second part of your statement isn't really true.

True, problem is GWB is shunned by the new GOP.

168 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:21:06am

re: #150 iossarian

Bravo. As has often been pointed out, Obama could encourage Americans to breathe regularly to improve their health and the GOP would put out a press release condemning breathing as a godless communist perversion.

Remember the outcry when Obama wanted to tell schoolchildren that they should apply themselves in school and get an excellent education?

169 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:21:18am

re: #162 Lidane

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Fox News could keep a state mental hospital busy till the 2016 election.

170 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:22:27am

Squabble!

171 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:22:32am

re: #164 Artist

What the flying fuck

It gets better. Not only did this "psychiatrist" say that Biden has dementia, he was also supposedly drunk during the debate:

Youtube Video

What the fuck is it with Republicans thinking they can diagnose someone based on videotape?

Also, Biden is a teetotaler. He's made it clear that a family history of alcoholism made him never want to drink at all.

172 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:25:50am

re: #171 Lidane

It gets better. Not only did this "psychiatrist" say that Biden has dementia, he was also supposedly drunk during the debate:

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What the fuck is it with Republicans thinking they can diagnose someone based on videotape?

Also, Biden is a teetotaler. He's made it clear that a family history of alcoholism made him never want to drink at all.

Ducks go what?

173 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:26:44am

re: #162 Lidane

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He's not a very good psychiatrist, is he?

174 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:29:03am

re: #171 Lidane

It gets better. Not only did this "psychiatrist" say that Biden has dementia, he was also supposedly drunk during the debate:

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What the fuck is it with Republicans thinking they can diagnose someone based on videotape?

Also, Biden is a teetotaler. He's made it clear that a family history of alcoholism made him never want to drink at all.

If you Google "slim Obama AIDS gay", you'll get dozens of sites diagnosing the President as a gay AIDS patient.

Internet doctors are not very doctory.

175 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:30:11am

re: #174 Decatur Deb

If you Google "slim Obama AIDS gay", you'll get dozens of sites diagnosing the President as a gay AIDS patient.

Internet doctors are not very doctory.

Based on your posts and avatar, I diagnose you as a schoolgirl.

176 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:31:40am

re: #168 Sionainn

Remember the outcry when Obama wanted to tell schoolchildren that they should apply themselves in school and get an excellent education?

One of my favorites was when he was talking about gas mileage and said something to the effect of "make sure you keep your tires properly pressurized" and all the righties laughed at him for it. Then the next day I think it was a NASCAR spokesman who was like "yeah, the President is absolutely correct, it's a good idea."

177 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:32:23am

re: #175 Varek Raith

Based on your posts and avatar, I diagnose you as a schoolgirl.

My yearbook BFF's voted me "Most likely to Join the 'Longshorewomen".

178 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:34:41am

re: #162 Lidane

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They should also diagnose Ryan and his debate prep team as demented assholes for using a line about people being paralyzed in a car crash to show Romney's apparent empathy (HAHAHAHHAHA COUGH) with the auto industry.

179 kirkspencer  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:38:11am

re: #34 William Barnett-Lewis

Way OT, but Good Lord save me from 1st level script reading Internet Connection tech support. I'm pretty sure the real problem was a barfing router at the local office but I got to run through all of the step which didn't help until - magic! - it was working again!.

[snip by Kirk]

Before I go on, I have to respond to this. Sorry, but you hit a counter-annoyance.

Yes, I now you're unhappy about the script reading, but here's the deal: it's there because people are idiots. It's there because the vast majority of difficulties can be solved - or at least sent to the right place to get solved - through the answers to that script. Yours is an exception? great, sorry it's taking so long, but it's this or sit on hold for hours while the people try to follow what the caller thinks is wrong.

And that last... One week, I had a rash of calls that turned out to be unplugged computers. Cleaning company had come through and a new guy/enthusiastic wanted-a-permanent-job-so-did-extra unplugged machines so he could get back and clean the dust from among the cord area. And forgot to plug about a third of them back in. (Great initiative, poor execution.)

Among the rash of calls were several from nominally computer type people who kept insisting there were a range of problems. "Oh, yeah." "Oops." You get the idea.

My annoyance on top of this is the ones who insist they've checked. I always enjoyed turning in those service tickets. "$xx for service call to personally conduct stage 1 tech support: plug in computer."

180 kirkspencer  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:40:35am

re: #178 Ghost of Tom Joad

They should also diagnose Ryan and his debate prep team as demented assholes for using a line about people being paralyzed in a car crash to show Romney's apparent empathy (HAHAHAHHAHA COUGH) with the auto industry.

Said to the man who lost family in a car crash, at that.

It had to have been prepped with the intent of getting rise out of Biden. And since I'm sure Biden prepped for that as well, I think it shows in microcosm who did the better prep work.

181 kirkspencer  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:42:19am

re: #165 Ghost of Tom Joad

To be even fairer, they were fine with the bailouts until the ni-CLANG became sheriff. Then it magically became his idea and "OMFG SPENDING!TAXES!SOSHULISM!...........FREEDUMB!"

No, they weren't fine. Or more accurately there were a lot that weren't fine. Several - Romney included - were against the bailouts even when Bush was pushing for them.

182 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 6:45:02am
183 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:02:18am

This is making the rounds this morning.

Muslims protest 'age of mockery' as thousands descend on Google HQ

A protest by 10,000 Muslims outside the offices of Google in London today is just the first in an orchestrated attempt to force the company to remove an anti-Islamic film from website YouTube in Britain.

Thousands had travelled from as far afield as Glasgow to take part in the demonstration, ahead of a planned million-strong march in Hyde Park in coming weeks.

Mostly in the Brit tabloids, daily mail, Sun, etc. Judging from the Telegraph video I think the 10,000 crowd estimate is way off. looks like maybe 1-2,000.

184 Mattand  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:06:15am

re: #179 kirkspencer

Before I go on, I have to respond to this. Sorry, but you hit a counter-annoyance.

Yes, I now you're unhappy about the script reading, but here's the deal: it's there because people are idiots. It's there because the vast majority of difficulties can be solved - or at least sent to the right place to get solved - through the answers to that script. Yours is an exception? great, sorry it's taking so long, but it's this or sit on hold for hours while the people try to follow what the caller thinks is wrong.

And that last... One week, I had a rash of calls that turned out to be unplugged computers. Cleaning company had come through and a new guy/enthusiastic wanted-a-permanent-job-so-did-extra unplugged machines so he could get back and clean the dust from among the cord area. And forgot to plug about a third of them back in. (Great initiative, poor execution.)

Among the rash of calls were several from nominally computer type people who kept insisting there were a range of problems. "Oh, yeah." "Oops." You get the idea.

My annoyance on top of this is the ones who insist they've checked. I always enjoyed turning in those service tickets. "$xx for service call to personally conduct stage 1 tech support: plug in computer."

Truer words were never spoken. My number one rule of tech troubleshooting: check that it's plugged in. I've even burned myself not following my own advice.

185 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:09:03am

re: #184 Mattand

Truer words were never spoken. My number one rule of tech troubleshooting: check that it's plugged in. I've even burned myself not following my own advice.

A sports talk guy out of Tampa called in his engineer because he couldn't get sound through his headphones. Engineer came in and slid the volume control on the board up from zero. At least the guy made jokes about it.

186 Mocking Jay  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:09:19am
187 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:09:57am

re: #180 kirkspencer

Said to the man who lost family in a car crash, at that.

It had to have been prepped with the intent of getting rise out of Biden. And since I'm sure Biden prepped for that as well, I think it shows in microcosm who did the better prep work.

Yup, why I called them what I did. That's just trying to make an effort to goad something out of Biden. The only comparable would be Obama spewing out a line about an MS patient during tomorrow's debate.

188 Mattand  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:14:30am

re: #180 kirkspencer

Said to the man who lost family in a car crash, at that.

It had to have been prepped with the intent of getting rise out of Biden. And since I'm sure Biden prepped for that as well, I think it shows in microcosm who did the better prep work.

re: #187 Ghost of Tom Joad

Yup, why I called them what I did. That's just trying to make an effort to goad something out of Biden. The only comparable would be Obama spewing out a line about an MS patient during tomorrow's debate.

Anyone who thinks that little exchange was accidental is delusional. I realize that politics is a full contact sport blah blah blah, but it shows what kind of dirtbags are running the R&R campaign. That's Ann Coulter territory.

Oh, and thanks to our liberal media for completely ignoring it.

189 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:15:04am

There was a time when comments like this would have lost more voters than they gained, but I guess the GOP has revised its calculations.

190 Mattand  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:16:12am

re: #179 kirkspencer

re: #185 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www.rinkworks.com...]

An ongoing diary of man's war with computer tech. No matter what kind of mood you're in, something here will make you lulz.

191 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:17:28am

New toy!!!
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

192 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:22:05am

This is for those of you in the IT crowd...

193 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:25:08am

re: #192 Reverend Mother Ramallo

This is for those of you in the IT crowd...

love that series.

194 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:27:12am

So I've seen (read comments) from people who think that the jump yesterday was a fraud. One even said "where is the video from the head cam?"
Here it is...
[Link: gizmodo.com...]

195 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:27:44am
196 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:35:20am


BS. There is a flag of Israel in front of Ford World Headquarters on Michigan Ave.
Flag of Israel in Dearborn

197 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:37:23am

re: #196 Sheila Broflovski

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BS. There is a flag of Israel in front of Ford World Headquarters on Michigan Ave.
Flag of Israel in Dearborn

Of course, he was not "provoking" anything by doing that in Dearborn now, was he?

198 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:38:12am

re: #197 AK-47%

Of course, he was not "provoking" anything by doing that in Dearborn now, was he?

I hate dumbasses who use "pro-Israel" as a beard for "anti-Muslim."

199 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:40:33am

re: #196 Sheila Broflovski

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BS. There is a flag of Israel in front of Ford World Headquarters on Michigan Ave.
Flag of Israel in Dearborn

BS story sounds like BS. Sounds more like some kind of incident that he was a cause of. No names. Nothing. 100 bucks also says this guy is neither Jewish or connected to Israel.

200 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:40:54am

re: #197 AK-47%

Of course, he was not "provoking" anything by doing that in Dearborn now, was he?

Right. And in a high school? Hmmm.

201 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:41:01am

[Link: www.google.com...]
Click, then keep clicking on the arrow. Neat-o!!
Worky.

202 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:41:27am

re: #198 Sheila Broflovski

I hate dumbasses who use "pro-Israel" as a beard for "anti-Muslim."

And then use the backlash as proof of how "Christians and Jews are being oppressed"...

203 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:41:27am

Chain email?

204 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:42:06am

As a Packers fan, I'm insulted by this:

205 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:42:29am

re: #199 Gus

BS story sounds like BS. Sounds more like some kind of incident that he was a cause of. No names. Nothing. 100 bucks also says this guy is neither Jewish or connected to Israel.

He was part of the Terry Jones gang that went to stir up shit.

206 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:43:31am

re: #205 Sheila Broflovski

He was part of the Terry Jones gang that went to stir up shit.

Ah. Well, case closed. Some nut.

207 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:44:30am

Report: CIA Arranged Bride for Terrorist in Plot to Kill Him

The CIA paid an al Qaeda spy $250,000 to help find a bride for American-born terrorist Anwar al Awlaki in a plot to locate and kill him, according to a report in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten.
....
The report says the plot failed when the woman reached Yemen but was told by al Awlaki's aides to abandon her suitcase which had been bugged with tracking devices by the CIA without her knowledge.

Storm told the newspaper, "both of them would be killed in an American drone strike" if the CIA plan had succeeded.
...
Storm says even though the CIA plot failed, the marriage was a success.

Following al Awlaki's killing last year, Storm says the young woman wrote him to say she wanted to go on a suicide mission to avenge her husband's death but that al Qaeda leaders had decided against it.

The report says she now works with the al Qaeda on-line magazine "Inspire," which frequently featured the musings of her late husband, al Awlaki.

208 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:46:23am

re: #207 Killgore Trout

She hates us for our freedom.

/headdesk

209 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:47:18am

re: #194 Cannadian Club Akbar

So I've seen (read comments) from people who think that the jump yesterday was a fraud. One even said "where is the video from the head cam?"
Here it is...
[Link: gizmodo.com...]

I missed it yesterday, so thanks very much for posting the link. My heart was racing just watching him edge to the door of the capsule. Awesomeness!

210 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:48:13am
211 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:50:37am

re: #210 Lidane

I often wonder how our nation is going to be able to accomdate the growing number of people who share such views and still remain a modern (post)industrial democracy

212 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:54:24am

re: #210 Lidane

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F*ck them and their bullshit apologies.

213 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:58:43am

re: #208 Ghost of Tom Joad

She hates us for our freedom.

/headdesk

Meh. Looks like make believe for now. Some kind of puzzle that Jyllands-Posten slapped together.

214 Mattand  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:00:16am

re: #210 Lidane

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Maybe Jason could grow a spine and apologize himself, rather than hiding behind Daddy's campaign.

Of course, like any good birther, the only thing they're sorry about it getting caught saying what they actually think.

215 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:04:40am

re: #214 Mattand

Maybe Jason could grow a spine and apologize himself, rather than hiding behind Daddy's campaign.

Of course, like any good birther racist, the only thing they're sorry about it getting caught saying what they actually think.

FTFY. Time to start calling this for what it is. Racism.

216 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:06:21am

re: #207 Killgore Trout

Report: CIA Arranged Bride for Terrorist in Plot to Kill Him

Risks have to be taken in intelligence and sometimes those risks don't pay off. The CIA shouldn't be hammered because a minor operation like this went wrong.

217 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:09:03am

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

Risks have to be taken in intelligence and sometimes those risks don't pay off. The CIA shouldn't be hammered because a minor operation like this went wrong.

During the Bush years this kind of reporting from ABC News would have resulted in the right wing calling them -- ABC -- out as traitors for revealing CIA and intelligence secrets. In addition to more than likely being called out as some kind of conspiracy put together by the librul media.

218 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:09:28am

re: #210 Lidane

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I have to post the stuff at the other end of the link, because its funny-good:

How to Talk to Your 38-Year-Old Son About Birtherism:

Sit your 38-year-old son down in a setting where he's comfortable, like the bar at Applebee's or a driving range.

Explain to your son that, despite what he may hear from the cool kids at the office or read on Facebook, President Obama was definitely born in the United States.

Be specific: mention the birth certificate, the hospital records, the newspaper announcements, etc. Don't worry about overwhelming your 38-year-old son with details, because, after all, he is 38 years old, and he should be able to handle it.

Be firm, but don't shame or chastise your 38-year-old son. Remember, he may very well determine whether or not you end up in a shitty nursing home.

Don't threaten to take away his Gameboy. He's 38 years old. Plus, we don't even think those exist anymore. It wouldn't make any sense.

Tell your 38-year-old son that you're still very proud of him. Give him a hug, then offer to take him out for ice cream. When he says that he wishes he could but he's "just really swamped right now," go get ice cream by yourself, because now you really want some ice cream anyway.

Credit to Dan Amira for a funny smackdown of an idiotic DERP!.

219 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:09:36am

re: #191 Cannadian Club Akbar

New toy!!!
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Oh - ay - oh!

(Lene Lovich reference)

220 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:10:21am

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

Risks have to be taken in intelligence and sometimes those risks don't pay off. The CIA shouldn't be hammered because a minor operation like this went wrong.

Of course not. I just thought it was an interesting look into the spycraft. They're doing all kinds of stuff I never would have imagined.

221 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:10:21am

Oh yeah.

Hahahahahaha!

222 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:11:02am

re: #217 Gus

During the Bush years this kind of reporting from ABC News would have resulted in the right wing calling them -- ABC -- out as traitors for revealing CIA and intelligence secrets. In addition to more than likely being called out as some kind of conspiracy put together by the librul media.

They still won't look good in the eyes of the right for posting this. Conservatives aren't fond of outing details of operations meant to kill terror masters who want to destroy our country.

223 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:11:40am

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

They still won't look good in the eyes of the right for posting this. Conservatives aren't fond of outing details of operations meant to kill terror masters who want to destroy our country.

Right. Some story that belong on Prisonplanet.

224 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:12:00am

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

They still won't look good in the eyes of the right for posting this. Conservatives aren't fond of outing details of operations meant to kill terror masters who want to destroy our country.

But it's okey-dokey when Fox News does it.

225 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:14:26am

re: #208 Ghost of Tom Joad

She hates us for our freedom.

/headdesk

The above revision is not meant hostilely at GTJ, but as a way to amend that silly line to make it true. Islamists hate our freedom, our democratic society and civil rights. That we are Americans is secondary at most, because they hate all free societies, as they consider what we call proper freedom 'ungodly'.

226 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:14:30am
227 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:14:52am

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

They still won't look good in the eyes of the right for posting this. Conservatives aren't fond of outing details of operations meant to kill terror masters who want to destroy our country.

Any luck mustering a qualm about finding some girl somewhere and tagging her for a Hellfire?

228 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:17:14am

re: #224 Sionainn

But it's okey-dokey when Fox News does it.

Reminder 1: I did not say that. I've not been a fan of FNC since the late spring of 2009.

Reminder 2: My nickname here is "Dark_Falcon", not "Generic Republican". Just because some within the GOP believe a thing, does not mean I believe it. Treat me as a person, please, not as a stereotype.

229 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:18:07am

re: #227 Decatur Deb

Any luck mustering a qualm about finding some girl somewhere and tagging her for a Hellfire?

Not really. She's pretty open about her support for terrorism and her desire to become a suicide bomber. She's still active in Al Qaeda today so I think she's a fair target.

230 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:18:51am

Huh. New server glitch. I try to click on a new page link and get bumped out to the front page.

231 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:19:00am

re: #229 Killgore Trout

Not really. She's pretty open about her support for terrorism and her desire to become a suicide bomber. She's still active in Al Qaeda today so I think she's a fair target.

I'd bet she is. Was she a fair target from the start?

232 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:19:03am

re: #229 Killgore Trout

Not really. She's pretty open about her support for terrorism and her desire to become a suicide bomber. She's still active in Al Qaeda today so I think she's a fair target.

She's probably already on Obama's kill list.

233 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:19:48am

The new CIA theme song

234 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:20:22am

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

The above revision is not meant hostilely at GTJ, but as a way to amend that silly line to make it true. Islamists hate our freedom, our democratic society and civil rights. That we are Americans is secondary at most, because they hate all free societies, as they consider what we call proper freedom 'ungodly'.

As do our conservative Americans.

235 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:21:55am

re: #233 AK-47%

The new CIA theme song

Good thing the bad guy wasn't a cat lover, they might have sent a Judas-kitten.

236 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:21:59am

Giant eyeball mystery solved: it came from a swordfish.

So, no one succeeded in blinding Cthulhu.

237 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:22:12am

Ugh. Getting a taste of that old counter-Jihad chest beating in my mouth this morning.

238 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:23:03am

re: #231 Decatur Deb

I'd bet she is. Was she a fair target from the start?

Depends on where you define "start". She opened herself up to be a person of interest by her willingness to join al qaeda and engage in "dangerous things". Once she traveled to Yemen and actually joined I think she becomes a fair drone target. Especially if she's in close proximity to al qaeda leadership. I don't see any reason to declare her off limits.

239 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:23:34am

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

The above revision is not meant hostilely at GTJ, but as a way to amend that silly line to make it true. Islamists hate our freedom, our democratic society and civil rights. That we are Americans is secondary at most, because they hate all free societies, as they consider what we call proper freedom 'ungodly'.

Storm says the young woman wrote him to say she wanted to go on a suicide mission to avenge her husband's death but that al Qaeda leaders had decided against it.

Please don't turn what I said (which is a half-hearted joke) into a booga-booga scary mooslims screed.

240 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:23:38am

re: #227 Decatur Deb

Any luck mustering a qualm about finding some girl somewhere and tagging her for a Hellfire?

No. Anwar al Awlaki had directed a number of terror plots and was already responsible for a good number of deaths. If setting her up to die was the price of ending the clear and present danger he posed, then I have to call the price acceptable. It was extremely unfair to her, but in this case I find the wrong done outweighed by the greater wrong of letting al Awlaki live.

241 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:25:12am

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

Reminder 1: I did not say that. I've not been a fan of FNC since the late spring of 2009.

Reminder 2: My nickname here is "Dark_Falcon", not "Generic Republican". Just because some within the GOP believe a thing, does not mean I believe it. Treat me as a person, please, not as a stereotype.

1. I didn't say that you were a fan of FNC nor did I say that you said that.

2. You said that conservatives aren't fond of outing details of operations...and I pointed out that they don't seem to take issue when Fox News does it.

242 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:25:41am

re: #240 Dark_Falcon

It's fascinating how the technology advances in drones have required law and morality to play catch-up.

243 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:25:52am

re: #237 Gus

Ugh. Getting a taste of that old counter-Jihad chest beating in my mouth this morning.

Do you really find President Obama's tactics against Al Qaeda objectionable? Is he a counter-Jihadist wingnut?

244 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:27:12am

re: #243 Killgore Trout

Do you really find President Obama's tactics against Al Qaeda objectionable? Is he a counter-Jihadist wingnut?

You believe this Storm guy? Seriously? Some guy shows up at some Danish newspaper with unconfirmed reports and you believe everything you're reading. The ABC report says numerous times ALLEGEDLY. What part of ALLEGEDLY do you not understand? This is like CIA trutherism.

245 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:27:31am

re: #243 Killgore Trout

Do you really find President Obama's tactics against Al Qaeda objectionable? Is he a counter-Jihadist wingnut?

And that's not what I was fucking saying.

246 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:28:56am

re: #239 Ghost of Tom Joad

Please don't turn what I said (which is a half-hearted joke) into a booga-booga scary mooslims screed.

I did not post that bolded section. Nor was I trying to post a screed. I was trying to transform a worn-out cliche into a factual statement.

247 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:29:23am

Oh crap. Time to leave.

248 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:33:12am

re: #244 Gus

You believe this Storm guy? Seriously? Some guy shows up at some Danish newspaper with unconfirmed reports and you believe everything you're reading. The ABC report says numerous times ALLEGEDLY. What part of ALLEGEDLY do you not understand? This is like CIA trutherism.

His reports are credible
The Danish biker and the trail that led to al Qaeda's most wanted

Among the evidence he's produced: recorded telephone conversations, passport stamps showing multiple trips to Yemen, correspondence with Awlaki, and a recording of a conversation with an unidentified American - who acknowledges his role in the pursuit of Awlaki.

His story is credible and he has evidence, the CIA isn't denying his story and they don't seem bothered that he's talking. I assume he has permission.

249 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:36:25am

re: #248 Killgore Trout

His reports are credible
The Danish biker and the trail that led to al Qaeda's most wanted

His story is credible and he has evidence, the CIA isn't denying his story and they don't seem bothered that he's talking. I assume he has permission.

It's actually a disinformation campaign mounted by older al Queda wives to discourage competition by younger, sexier, more ideological replacements.

250 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:38:58am

re: #249 Decatur Deb

It's actually a disinformation campaign mounted by older al Queda wives to discourage competition by younger, sexier, more ideological replacements.

Heh. It's entirely possible that there's some carefully planted disinformation mixed in. Al Qaeda knows they've been infiltrated, maybe letting this guy talk publicly helps dissuade Western recruits.

251 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:41:14am

re: #248 Killgore Trout

His reports are credible
The Danish biker and the trail that led to al Qaeda's most wanted

His story is credible and he has evidence, the CIA isn't denying his story and they don't seem bothered that he's talking. I assume he has permission.

A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat.

[Edit] added post this was a response to.

252 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:42:25am

...and yes, this was an operation under the Obama regime's CIA
[Link: cphpost.dk...]

Working in close connection with the CIA in 2010, Storm helped to arrange the sending of a woman, ‘Aminah’, to Yemen as a bride for al-Awlaki. ‘Aminah’ was to unwillingly help locate and track al-Awlaki, who would then be targeted for assassination, with tracing equipment placed in her suitcase without her knowledge by PET. According to Storm, al-Awlaki was at the time looking for a wife who was more ‘Western’ than the two wives he already had.

253 sattv4u2  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:45:40am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

al-Awlaki was at the time looking for a wife who was more ‘Western’

I could have told him from experience. It's not all that it's made out to be


OUCH ,, oh, hi honey ,, didn't know you were standing behind me!!

//

254 RadicalModerate  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:46:36am

Stay classy, Chick-fil-A.

Chick-fil-A Selling Party Trays "Only a Fruitcake Wouldn't Love"

255 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:46:57am

re: #253 sattv4u2

How's the recovery going?

256 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:50:19am

re: #248 Killgore Trout

His reports are credible
The Danish biker and the trail that led to al Qaeda's most wanted

His story is credible and he has evidence, the CIA isn't denying his story and they don't seem bothered that he's talking. I assume he has permission.

Where's the credibility again?
I must have missed it.

257 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:52:10am

HOLY CRAP

258 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:52:46am

re: #254 RadicalModerate

Stay classy, Chick-fil-A.

Chick-fil-A Selling Party Trays "Only a Fruitcake Wouldn't Love"

Page not found.

259 andres  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:54:36am

You know who else threw a lot of spears?

Some random "dudes" holding some sort of gate.

Edit: Sorry if someone else made a similar joke...

260 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:55:00am
261 RadicalModerate  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:56:17am

re: #258 Gangnam Style

Page not found.

Fixed now.

262 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:56:25am

re: #260 Sheila Broflovski

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why do you hate success?

263 calochortus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:56:48am

re: #257 Sheila Broflovski

HOLY CRAP

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There are no words to describe this... But I do have a question. How long will that fetus live without its mother being alive?

264 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:59:13am

re: #254 RadicalModerate

Stay classy, Chick-fil-A.

Chick-fil-A Selling Party Trays "Only a Fruitcake Wouldn't Love"

'Fruitcake' isn't an attack on anyone's race or gender, its calling someone crazy. Saying "you'd have to be crazy to hate this" isn't bad, and given that 'fruitcake as a bad gift' is a common meme around Christmas I don't see anything wrong here.

265 blueraven  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 8:59:52am

re: #257 Sheila Broflovski

HOLY CRAP

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That is from last year, right?

266 RadicalModerate  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:00:39am

re: #264 Dark_Falcon

'Fruitcake' isn't an attack on anyone's race or gender, its calling someone crazy. Saying "you'd have to be crazy to hate this" isn't bad, and given that 'fruitcake as a bad gift' is a common meme around Christmas I don't see anything wrong here.

You really don't know that the term "fruitcake" is an anti-gay slur?

267 calochortus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:01:06am

re: #265 blueraven

Apparently. The date on the linked article is 2011.

268 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:01:07am

re: #257 Sheila Broflovski

HOLY CRAP

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That headline is from a year ago. The House is not in session right now.

269 blueraven  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:02:24am

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

That headline is from a year ago. The House is not in session right now.

Still...they did vote that way on the Bill.

270 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:02:37am

re: #268 Dark_Falcon

That headline is from a year ago. The House is not in session right now.

And that invalidates the story how exactly?

271 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:03:13am

re: #266 RadicalModerate

You really don't know that the term "fruitcake" is an anti-gay slur?

Yeah, Dark is kind of omitting one pretty popular use of the term there.

And given CFA's past history, I wouldn't doubt that was the use they were going for.

272 erik_t  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:03:19am

re: #266 RadicalModerate

You really don't know that the term "fruitcake" is an anti-gay slur?

Urban dictionary has a well-known liberal bias.

273 calochortus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:04:36am

re: #266 RadicalModerate

You really don't know that the term "fruitcake" is an anti-gay slur?

Perhaps they didn't think it through too well, but I'm going to come down on the side of making fun of actual, baked fruitcakes here. Every year there are uncountable numbers of jokes about fruitcake around the holidays.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

274 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:05:13am

re: #266 RadicalModerate

You really don't know that the term "fruitcake" is an anti-gay slur?

No, not really. And the marketing people at Chick-fil-A might not have heard of that either. And even then, why should everyone have to stop using a common term because some assholes are using it as a slur? Tell the assholes to stop abusing the language, call them assholes, and then leave it at that.

275 erik_t  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:05:54am

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

And the marketing people at Chick-fil-A might not have heard of that either.

Surely you can't be serious. Even the most casual google will tell you that.

276 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:07:37am

re: #264 Dark_Falcon

'Fruitcake' isn't an attack on anyone's race or gender, its calling someone crazy.

Has nothing to do with race or gender, correct. It's a plausibly deniable way of taking a shot at sexual orientation. Especially considering their previous history of the issue, the meme "evil or stupid" applies here. Either they're assholes for using the term, or the people who came up with this advertisement are...unwordly.

277 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:07:55am

re: #272 erik_t

Urban dictionary has a well-known liberal bias.

It does, but to some extent that's because conservatives tend not to be urban. It's the same thing as "tea-bagging" was back in 2009: It's people who aren't up on the latest slang.

278 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:08:06am

re: #274 Dark_Falcon

No, not really. And the marketing people at Chick-fil-A might not have heard of that either. And even then, why should everyone have to stop using a common term because some assholes are using it as a slur? Tell the assholes to stop abusing the language, call them assholes, and then leave it at that.

Aw jesus, talk about willful ignorance. I am fucking 51 years old and have heard that slang used since I can fucking remember. This shit is getting real fucking old real fucking fast. "Spear chucker", never heard of it, "Fruitcake", never heard of it. Give me a fucking break. And I guess "Fist class jungle bunny" is a fucking South American rabbit of the highest order.

279 calochortus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:10:12am

re: #275 erik_t

Without context the first slur that would come to my mind with "fruitcake" is crazy. As in nutty as a fruitcake. The gay slur would be secondary, but I think the word fruitcake is most commonly used to refer to baked goods.

If I can't use the word fruitcake any more, what should I call the cakes I make for the holidays that are a cake with fruit in them?

280 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:10:55am

re: #277 Dark_Falcon

It does, but to some extent that's because conservatives tend not to be urban. It's the same thing as "tea-bagging" was back in 2009: It's people who aren't up on the latest slang.

'Fruitcake' was an anti-gay slur back when I was a kid, like 50 years ago.

281 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:10:59am

re: #277 Dark_Falcon

It does, but to some extent that's because conservatives tend not to be urban. It's the same thing as "tea-bagging" was back in 2009: It's people who aren't up on the latest slang.

Bullshit in the first degree. I was born around, grew up around, and still live around conservatives in a totally rural as you can fucking get (tractors to the fucking prom rural) area. All those terms are well know. Quit the bullshit.

282 calochortus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:11:03am

You might consider spending the day safely in your basement today. I'm agreeing with DF. Surely the end is near :-)

283 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:11:14am

re: #279 calochortus

If I can't use the word fruitcake any more, what should I call the cakes I make for the holidays that are a cake with fruit in them?

Paper weights. Maybe doorstops.

284 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:11:22am

re: #276 Ghost of Tom Joad

Has nothing to do with race or gender, correct. It's a plausibly deniable way of taking a shot at sexual orientation. Especially considering their previous history of the issue, the meme "evil or stupid" applies here. Either they're assholes for using the term, or the people who came up with this advertisement are...unwordly.

Perhaps they're just non-urban. more likely its that, as calochortus pointed out, during the Christmas season 'fruitcake' more likely refers to an actual fruitcake. Sometimes there's no subtext in play. The sort of dig you think was there makes no sense for a corporation.

285 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:11:24am

I really need to stop banging my head on my desk.
//

286 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:11:56am

re: #279 calochortus

Without context the first slur that would come to my mind with "fruitcake" is crazy. As in nutty as a fruitcake. The gay slur would be secondary, but I think the word fruitcake is most commonly used to refer to baked goods.

If I can't use the word fruitcake any more, what should I call the cakes I make for the holidays that are a cake with fruit in them?

Doorstop? Boat Anchor? Recycled gift for some relative you don't like?

287 calochortus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:12:24am

re: #283 Killgore Trout

Paper weights. Maybe doorstops.

Nope, they're delicious. But I won't be sending any to you...

288 A Mom Anon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:12:27am

re: #278 Eventual Carrion

Chik Fil A doesn't exactly have a stellar record when it comes to gay rights. Makes it hard to believe this doesn't have kind of a double meaning. The traditional "everyone hates holiday fruitcake" joke,along with a homophobic jab. One would think after all the idiocy earlier this year their marketing team would be somewhat aware,but there's no accounting for how much stupid can stand in one place either. I'll chalk it up to multi tasking on Chik Fil A's part. The guy who runs that company is a jerk,so yeah,I'll go with that.

289 Kronocide  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:12:43am

Quit burying your head in the white sheet.

290 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:12:57am

re: #287 calochortus

Nope, they're delicious. But I won't be sending any to you...

Nope they are totally nasty.

291 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:13:04am

re: #283 Killgore Trout

Paper weights. Maybe doorstops.

Where I come from, dog food.

292 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:13:05am

re: #284 Dark_Falcon

Perhaps they're just non-urban. more likely its that, as calochortus pointed out, during the Christmas season 'fruitcake' more likely refers to an actual fruitcake. Sometimes there's no subtext in play. The sort of dig you think was there makes no sense for a corporation.

That usage makes absolutely zero sense.

A platter that only an inanimate food product wouldn't love? C'mon, dude.

293 calochortus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:13:58am

re: #286 Sheila Broflovski

You won't be getting any either. So there. (How will you ever survive?) And there won't be leftovers to recycle.

294 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:14:24am

re: #279 calochortus

Without context the first slur that would come to my mind with "fruitcake" is crazy. As in nutty as a fruitcake. The gay slur would be secondary, but I think the word fruitcake is most commonly used to refer to baked goods.

If I can't use the word fruitcake any more, what should I call the cakes I make for the holidays that are a cake with fruit in them?

Vaguely remember Edith on All In the Family described as a fruitcake, but the Chik Fil a people know better.

295 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:14:49am

re: #278 Eventual Carrion

Aw jesus, talk about willful ignorance. I am fucking 51 years old and have heard that slang used since I can fucking remember. This shit is getting real fucking old real fucking fast. "Spear chucker", never heard of it, "Fruitcake", never heard of it. Give me a fucking break. And I guess "Fist class jungle bunny" is a fucking South American rabbit of the highest order.

Wait a goddamn minute! I backhanded that "throw a lot of spears" remark by Sanford as soon as I heard it! Why don't you check the top comment on this thread? I wasn't very nice to Sanford, as I knew his remark was racist as soon as I read it.

296 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:16:00am

re: #284 Dark_Falcon

Perhaps they're just non-urban. more likely its that, as calochortus pointed out, during the Christmas season 'fruitcake' more likely refers to an actual fruitcake. Sometimes there's no subtext in play. The sort of dig you think was there makes no sense for a corporation.

CFA made tons of money after declaring their anti-gay stance.
This is considered best practices for their bottom line.

297 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:17:09am

The only way to make people eat fruitcake is to pour an entire bottle of something alcoholic over it.

298 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:17:37am

re: #284 Dark_Falcon

Perhaps they're just non-urban. more likely its that, as calochortus pointed out, during the Christmas season 'fruitcake' more likely refers to an actual fruitcake. Sometimes there's no subtext in play. The sort of dig you think was there makes no sense for a corporation.

Even then, you'd think they'd at least have a little more discretion in their terminology. Especially since they used the term "fruitcake" as an adjective to describe a person that doesn't like something they made.

Nobody will wind up giving a damn in the long run anyway. I wouldn't eat that shit if they paid me.

299 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:18:47am

re: #278 Eventual Carrion

Aw jesus, talk about willful ignorance. I am fucking 51 years old and have heard that slang used since I can fucking remember. This shit is getting real fucking old real fucking fast. "Spear chucker", never heard of it, "Fruitcake", never heard of it. Give me a fucking break. And I guess "Fist class jungle bunny" is a fucking South American rabbit of the highest order.

Actually, I'm a bit older than that and I can't remember hearing "fruitcake" used as an anti-gay slur. "Fruit", certainly, but not "fruitcake", which to me has always meant "crazy person" (as in "nutty as a fruitcake"), not "gay person".

Maybe this is willfully ignorance on my part, but I don't think so. I could certainly list a whole passel of anti-gay slurs that I am aware of (but please don't make me). It may also be that, for whatever reason, I just don't travel in whatever circles use "fruitcake" this way.

This is not to excuse Chick-fil-A, by the way. Given the recent controversy over their support of anti-gay causes, and the closeness of "fruit" and "fruitcake", they could easily have figured out that they were treading on dangerous ground, even if they originally intended "fruitcake" entirely innocently.

I'm old enough, by the way, to remember the early episodes of M*A*S*H when there was a black character nicknamed "Spear Chucker". That didn't last long.

300 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:20:44am

I thought spear chucker was an Australian.

301 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:20:51am

Chick-fil-A is a restaurant chain. If the 'fruitcake' remark was made by a politician or political activist, then I could see it as a slur. But what profit would a restaurant chain gain from flinging a slur like that? It does not make sense. The simple explanation is that the term was meant in the traditional "nutty as a fruitcake" sense and was not intended as a slam against gay people.

302 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:21:18am

re: #300 Shropshire_Slasher

I thought spear chucker was an Australian.

No, that was Ugly John. He didn't last long either.

303 erik_t  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:21:41am

I'm not in advertising, and I'll never be in advertising, but even I'm clueful enough to know that the first thing one would do after coming up with a slogan or tagline for an advertisement would be to check for unintentionally negative meanings. This isn't casual conversation -- these are words that you're going to spend millions of dollars repeating. You want to make sure that they're not going to bite you in the ass.

This isn't rocket science, folks.

304 RadicalModerate  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:22:03am

re: #299 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

I'm old enough, by the way, to remember the early episodes of M*A*S*H when there was a black character nicknamed "Spear Chucker". That didn't last long.

That character was in the film version of M*A*S*H - the TV version was a HEAVILY sanitized adaptation.

305 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:22:57am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Got to travel and see friends this weekend, which meant going on the NJ Turnpike. Noticed the usual assortment of campaign ads (as well as anti-evolution nonsense on the PA turnpike extension into NJ).

Also noticed that between exits 9 and 8A, someone posted a sign saying "Vote American - Romney/Ryan 2012". Subtext of Obama not being an American; un-American; anti-American; birtherism. Take your pick (any/all).

306 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:23:41am

re: #304 RadicalModerate

That character was in the film version of M*A*S*H - the TV version was a HEAVILY sanitized adaptation.

True, but I saw the TV show long before I saw the movie, so (however wrong it may be) the TV show always feels like "the original" to me.

307 calochortus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:24:03am

So, a quick Google search came up with this. Because I'm completely hopeless at tech stuff, I can't just post the picture, but if you scroll down to the bottom you'll see an Episcopalian ad from around 2003 that says "You can't fill that empty space with fruitcake." Anti-gay slur? You be the judge.

With Chik-Fil-A's recent history, they might want to be extra careful, but I don't think they're exactly being overtly homophobic here.

308 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:24:28am

re: #301 Dark_Falcon

Chick-fil-A is a restaurant chain. If the 'fruitcake' remark was made by a politician or political activist, then I could see it as a slur. But what profit would a restaurant chain gain from flinging a slur like that? It does not make sense. The simple explanation is that the term was meant in the traditional "nutty as a fruitcake" sense and was not intended as a slam against gay people.

Their CEO inserted himself into politics by letting the whole world know his positions on gays and gay marriage.
This is the civil rights issue of the day.
Therefore, he has forfeited the benefit of the doubt.

309 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:24:48am

re: #305 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Got to travel and see friends this weekend, which meant going on the NJ Turnpike. Noticed the usual assortment of campaign ads (as well as anti-evolution nonsense on the PA turnpike extension into NJ).

Also noticed that between exits 9 and 8A, someone posted a sign saying "Vote American - Romney/Ryan 2012". Subtext of Obama not being an American; un-American; anti-American; birtherism. Take your pick (any/all).

There's also the subtitle I see on all the Mitt Romney yard signs around here: Believe in America. As opposed to what? Kenya?

310 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:24:53am

Blog posts that back up their tax claims = good

Kaiser Permanente study on Medicare = bad

311 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:25:39am

PLease send all your fruitcake and muffin bottoms my way..

312 RadicalModerate  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:26:21am

re: #303 erik_t

I'm not in advertising, and I'll never be in advertising, but even I'm clueful enough to know that the first thing one would do after coming up with a slogan or tagline for an advertisement would be to check for unintentionally negative meanings. This isn't casual conversation -- these are words that you're going to spend millions of dollars repeating. You want to make sure that they're not going to bite you in the ass.

This isn't rocket science, folks.

This is Chick-fil-A we're talking about here. Their founder/CEO is a hardcore fundamentalist who donates money and sponsors known rightwing hate groups like the American Family Association and Family Research Council.
During this past summer, they made it a point of pride about their anti-gay political/social views, including having dedicated promotions to that effect.

313 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:27:29am

re: #312 RadicalModerate

This is Chick-fil-A we're talking about here. Their founder/CEO is a hardcore fundamentalist who donates money and sponsors known rightwing hate groups like the American Family Association and Family Research Council.
During this past summer, they made it a point of pride about their anti-gay political/social views, including having dedicated promotions to that effect.

Yup. They're riding the notoriety, and slipping a wink to the faithful.

314 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:27:43am

re: #287 calochortus

Nope, they're delicious. But I won't be sending any to you...

They are actually good if they're well made. Unfortunately the fruitcake got a bad reputation from those crappy Pepridge farm gift packs.

315 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:28:16am

The reason people made fruitcake in the older days: Fresh fruits were not available in winter time, and the only fruits available were dried or preserved. So at Christmas, if anyone wanted to bake a festive pastry, they had to use what was available.

See also: Mince Pie.

316 erik_t  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:28:17am

re: #312 RadicalModerate

Absolutely. You run a campaign knowing the messages you're sending, or you're utterly incompetent.

317 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:29:09am

re: #314 Killgore Trout

They are actually good if they're well made. Unfortunately the fruitcake got a bad reputation from those crappy Pepridge farm gift packs.

There were some pretty bad ones circulating through Pennsylvania in the '50s. Pemmican for elves.

318 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:29:13am

re: #308 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Their CEO inserted himself into politics by letting the whole world know his positions on gays and gay marriage.
This is the civil rights issue of the day.
Therefore, he has forfeited the benefit of the doubt.

I doubt their CEO even saw the flyer, as he's likely too busy to approve minor promotional material like that.

Is it even a national promotion? Some Chick-fil-As are franchises, so this could just be some local franchisee who printed this.

319 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:29:29am

re: #301 Dark_Falcon

Chick-fil-A is a restaurant chain. If the 'fruitcake' remark was made by a politician or political activist, then I could see it as a slur. But what profit would a restaurant chain gain from flinging a slur like that?

Perhaps you missed the 'solidarity with CFA day,' where homophobes contributed mightily to CFA's bottom line.

320 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:29:40am

re: #309 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

There's also the subtitle I see on all the Mitt Romney yard signs around here: Believe in America. As opposed to what? Kenya?

If you're advertising a campaign about 'Believing in America,' then maybe you should keep your fortune invested in America instead of hiding it overseas. Optics....

321 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:30:04am

re: #315 Sheila Broflovski

The reason people made fruitcake in the older days: Fresh fruits were not available in winter time, and the only fruits available were dried or preserved. So at Christmas, if anyone wanted to bake a festive pastry, they had to use what was available.

See also: Mince Pie.

True that.

322 calochortus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:30:20am

re: #314 Killgore Trout

And I do make them well. :-)

I don't think I'll actually change anyone's mind, either about fruitcake itself, or whether that particular ad is intended to be homophobic, so I think I'll go do something useful.

323 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:30:44am

I have to side with DF and calochortus on this one. It was a sloppy, ignorant and insensitive comment by Cick-Fil-A, but after the recent notoriety they garnered I doubt they would be so blatantly stupid.

As calochortus has said, I think this time it's just a cigar.

324 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:31:12am

re: #322 calochortus

And I do make them well. :-)

I don't think I'll actually change anyone's mind, either about fruitcake itself, or whether that particular ad is intended to be homophobic, so I think I'll go do something useful.

You're obviously a paid shill for the Fruitcake Council.

325 calochortus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:31:40am

re: #320 Ghost of Tom Joad

If you're advertising a campaign about 'Believing in America,' then maybe you should keep your fortune invested in America instead of hiding it overseas. Optics....

Well, maybe there's a reason that his campaign slogan isn't "Invest in America."

326 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:31:50am

re: #314 Killgore Trout

What gives fruitcake its bad reputation are the jellied fruits. They're disgusting.

Personally, I prefer these at Christmas. Or these.

327 calochortus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:32:13am

re: #324 Decatur Deb

You're obviously a paid shill for the Fruitcake Council.

Nope, just a shill for homemade fruitcake. Most of the stuff you buy isn't worth eating.

328 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:33:17am

re: #323 Gangnam Style

I have to side with DF and calochortus on this one. It was a sloppy, ignorant and insensitive comment by Cick-Fil-A, but after the recent notoriety they garnered I doubt they would be so blatantly stupid.

As calochortus has said, I think this time it's just a cigar.

Thanks. And that's all I really was saying.

329 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:33:49am

re: #327 calochortus

Nope, just a shill for homemade fruitcake. Most of the stuff you buy isn't worth eating.

My hardshell Baptist MIL had a bourbon exemption for fruitcake.

330 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:35:18am

re: #326 Lidane

What gives fruitcake its bad reputation are the jellied fruits. They're disgusting.

Personally, I prefer these at Christmas. Or these.

The Jewish equivalent of fruitcake are those nauseating chocolate-covered jellies they sell at Passover time (I'm sure the stores must save them from year to year).

331 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:36:17am

re: #330 Sheila Broflovski

The Jewish equivalent of fruitcake are those nauseating chocolate-covered jellies they sell at Passover time (I'm sure the stores must save them from year to year).

Halvah? Yeah, bad.

332 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:36:36am

re: #266 RadicalModerate

You really don't know that the term "fruitcake" is an anti-gay slur?

First I've heard that too. Maybe living in the SF bay area has sheltered me?

And just to add to my disgrace... I like (some) fruitcake. The edible kind.

333 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:37:59am

re: #331 Decatur Deb

Halvah? Yeah, bad.

No no no no. These sickening little things. Although the same company does make halvah.

334 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:39:06am

re: #331 Decatur Deb

Halvah? Yeah, bad.

Actually I rather like Halvah, although I could wish it were a little less dry.

335 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:39:39am

I always used to hate halvah until I went to Israel and tasted some from a confectionary that made it fresh every day.

336 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:41:00am

re: #335 Sheila Broflovski

That's my experience with baklava.

337 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:41:06am

re: #333 Sheila Broflovski

No no no no. These sickening little things. Although the same company does make halvah.

Oh yeah--They used to come three to the nickel package, from the same company that made Halvah, had a turbaned Turk on the wrapper. We used to live over a Jewish-owned toystore. I was Ben's best customer and errand boy. He tried to pay me off with those.

338 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:41:53am

Glenn Beck's empty SUV crashes down NY hill.
Poor SUV couldn't take the bs any more. The headline was rather vague too, since Beck is an empty suit.

[Link: www.timesunion.com...]

339 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:42:03am

re: #330 Sheila Broflovski

The gel rings?

I always associate those with Pesach. Holiday isn't complete without 'em.

340 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:42:12am

re: #337 Decatur Deb

Oh yeah--They used to come three to the nickel package, from the same company that made Halvah, had a turbaned Turk on the wrapper. We used to live over a Jewish-owned toystore. I was Ben's best customer and errand boy. UNTIL He tried to pay me off with those.

ftfy

341 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:42:41am

re: #339 lawhawk

The gel rings?

I always associate those with Pesach. Holiday isn't complete without 'em.

GAH.

342 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:44:28am

Pesach always used to be associated with Maneschewitz cough-syrup wine and crappy chocolate & dry marshmallows.

Now, the availability of fine wine and Swiss chocolate has wrecked our sacred traditions!//

343 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:45:54am
344 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:47:41am

re: #330 Sheila Broflovski

The Jewish equivalent of fruitcake are those nauseating chocolate-covered jellies they sell at Passover time (I'm sure the stores must save them from year to year).

Ugh, I've seen people hand out individual ones of those to folks and keep a camera handy at the facial expression once somebody bites into it. It's like "MMM chocolate" /facial contortion "UCK! PTOEEY!"

What's inside those things? It ain't any jelly I know of.

345 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:50:21am

re: #343 Lidane

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Chickenshit Mitt.

346 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:50:30am

re: #333 Sheila Broflovski

No no no no. These sickening little things. Although the same company does make halvah.

Those sound like the Turkish Delight candy bars.

347 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:50:34am

re: #344 Ghost of Tom Joad

Ugh, I've seen people hand out individual ones of those to folks and keep a camera handy at the facial expression once somebody bites into it. It's like "MMM chocolate" /facial contortion "UCK! PTOEEY!"

What's inside those things? It ain't any jelly I know of.

It's jelly that's like 30 years old.

348 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:51:39am

re: #347 Sheila Broflovski

It's jelly that's like 30 years old.

Vile concoction formerly known as jelly.

349 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:51:57am
350 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:52:20am

re: #348 Ghost of Tom Joad

Vile concoction formerly known as jelly.

Vintage jelly.

351 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:52:44am

re: #347 Sheila Broflovski

It's jelly that's like 30 years old.

Also, the "whitman's sampler" chocolate boxes used to sneak some of those in next to the cremes and caramels, and when they passed the box at birthday parties you had to pick one real fast and sometimes you got "that" one. Of course they always removed the "map" before passing the box around.

352 RadicalModerate  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:55:32am

re: #325 calochortus

Well, maybe there's a reason that his campaign slogan isn't "Invest in America."

Well, it isn't as if he has recently used a campaign slogan that was extremely similar to one used by the Ku Klux Klan or anything.

Ooops.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

353 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:55:36am

Then, sometime during the 1970's, Sunkist started making these jellies called "Fruit Gems" and for the first time in history, they weren't gross!

354 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:57:24am

re: #348 Ghost of Tom Joad

Vile concoction formerly known as jelly.

Heh. I grew up eating Bubu Lubu bars. Strawberry jelly and marshmallow covered in chocolate. They're like a cross between a Turkish Delight bar and a Rocky Road candy bar.

They're supposed to be eaten frozen for a reason. At room temperature they're not that good.

355 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 9:58:08am

re: #353 Sheila Broflovski

Then, sometime during the 1970's, Sunkist started making these jellies called "Fruit Gems" and for the first time in history, they weren't gross!

There was always the Chuckles that were similar, but less hard and (mostly) less sour. There is a small industry reviving those old candy formulas--they show up at places like the Cracker Barrel stores.

356 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:00:09am

re: #264 Dark_Falcon

'Fruitcake' isn't an attack on anyone's race or gender, its calling someone crazy.

It's also a well established slur against gay men. CFA donated to anti gay rights groups directly from the company checkbook. CFA's franchise agreement requires its franchise partners to be church attending heterosexual married Christians. At best some corporate marketing asshole is being too clever by half, playing tongue in cheek reference to the recent controversy.

357 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:00:43am

re: #343 Lidane

from the link:

During Mitt Romney's "47 percent" comments, the GOP presidential candidate also called the daytime talk show "high-risk, because, of the five women on it, only one is conservative, and four are sharp-tongued and not conservative.”

I agree with this decision by Mitt Romney. Ann should go on the view, he should not. If he did, he'd just get gang-tackled.

358 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:01:31am

re: #357 Dark_Falcon

from the link:

I agree with this decision by Mitt Romney. Ann should go on the view, he should not. If he did, he'd just get gang-tackled.

Didn't POTUS and FLOTUS go on together?

359 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:03:08am

Aigle's getting ready to drop a bot-turd and run.

360 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:03:33am

God, the grossest candy I can remember eating as a kid, aside from those orange circus peanuts, were these. My mother used to keep a huge bowl of Brach's candy in the living room for guests and during the holidays those peppermint nougats took center stage.

Never did like them. Yuck.

361 nemus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:04:06am

re: #357 Dark_Falcon
This is just yet another one of those signals old Mittens sends that he doesn't deal well with confrontation. If you seriously worry about not being able to handle the aggressive questioning of Whoopi Goldberg and Barbara Walters - well, good luck with Iran there, Bainiac.

362 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:04:19am

And it's gone.

363 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:04:32am

re: #357 Dark_Falcon

from the link:

I agree with this decision by Mitt Romney. Ann should go on the view, he should not. If he did, he'd just get gang-tackled.

If a bunch of women on a talk show are too much for Mitt to handle, then he's a fucking coward. How's he going to handle Putin or some other world leader that disagrees with him?

364 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:04:56am

In other news, 'Atlas Shrugged Pt. II' dropped this weekend. Here's part of The Stranger's review, 'Return to Asshole's Paradise':

There was no standing ovation at the end of Part II. And how could there be? Even the most ardent fan has to admit that it's a boring, aimless movie. But I bet the people in the theater will recommend the movie to friends and promote it online. They're not doing this because it's a good movie, or because it's especially well-made. They're contributing their time and effort and money to a pursuit that is not strong enough to support itself financially, which is to say that they're supporting this movie out of charity. Which is exactly the opposite of Objectivism. Even Ayn Rand would admit that this thing is a piece of shit, and she'd be disgusted at anyone who tried to convince her otherwise.

365 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:05:02am

re: #360 Lidane

God, the grossest candy I can remember eating as a kid, aside from those orange circus peanuts, were these. My mother used to keep a huge bowl of Brach's candy in the living room for guests and during the holidays those peppermint nougats took center stage.

Never did like them. Yuck.

Maybe she liked them. Adults don't buy huge bags of some kind of candy they don't like.

366 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:05:34am

re: #362 Sheila Broflovski

And it's gone.

No payload--think you scared him off.

367 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:05:34am

re: #323 Gangnam Style

It was a sloppy, ignorant and insensitive comment by Cick-Fil-A, but after the recent notoriety they garnered I doubt they would be so blatantly stupid.

The entire organization is constructed to facilitate right wing Christian bigotry. They didn't just innocently stumble into their earlier anti gay controversy, it was a direct expression of who they are, fundamentally stupid, mean, bigoted shits. They reveled in it, what makes you think they learned any lesson except to engage in more of the same behavior?

368 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:07:25am

re: #361 nemus

Welcome, hatchling.

369 ShaunP  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:07:30am

re: #367 goddamnedfrank

The entire organization is constructed to facilitate right wing Christian bigotry.

I read this: 'The entire organization is constructed to fellate right wing Christian bigotry.'

Oops...

370 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:07:34am

re: #360 Lidane

God, the grossest candy I can remember eating as a kid, aside from those orange circus peanuts, were these. My mother used to keep a huge bowl of Brach's candy in the living room for guests and during the holidays those peppermint nougats took center stage.

Never did like them. Yuck.

But, but... peppermint!

371 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:07:44am

re: #361 nemus

This is just yet another one of those signals old Mittens sends that he doesn't deal well with confrontation. If you seriously worry about not being able to handle the aggressive questioning of Whoopi Goldberg and Barbara Walters - well, good luck with Iran there, Bainiac.

He's probably more afraid of having Hasselbeck agree with him, defending him with some horribly inane soundbite and having that go viral.

372 nemus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:08:36am

re: #368 wrenchwench

Thanks :) Been lurking here for quite a while - think I got mondo lucky when the server transfer occurred and managed to register before Charles locked down registration again. Early bird gets the worm and all that :P

373 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:09:44am

re: #369 ShaunP

I read this: 'The entire organization is constructed to fellate right wing Christian bigotry.'

Oops...

"Well, now we know where your mind is."

374 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:09:44am

re: #365 Sheila Broflovski

Maybe she liked them. Adults don't buy huge bags of some kind of candy they don't like.

Oh, she liked them. She still likes those soft peppermint candies. She also liked those nougats with the jellied fruit in them, which I would avoid in favor of the butterscotch or cinnamon hard candies.

I don't like peppermint nougat. Give me a bag of starlight mints or candy canes at Christmas and I'm good with that. Or some of that Ghirardelli peppermint bark. That stuff rules.

375 nemus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:10:43am

re: #371 goddamnedfrank

He's probably more afraid of having Hasselbeck agree with him, defending him with some horribly inane soundbite and having that go viral.

If that happened, I could just see the RMoney campaign trying the inane approach of buying another Hashtag like #IAgreeWithElizabeth and having that basically taken over by Pro Elizabeth Warren comments all day.. if there's one thing the Right wing hasn't really figured out well, its social media.

376 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:11:16am

re: #370 Someone Please Beam Me Up!

But, but... peppermint!

Nothing wrong with peppermint. I've been known to inhale a box of Junior Mints at the movies. It's just the nougats with the Christmas trees that I hate.

377 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:14:19am

re: #357 Dark_Falcon

from the link:

I agree with this decision by Mitt Romney. Ann should go on the view, he should not. If he did, he'd just get gang-tackled.

Being gang tackled is part of his job.

378 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:14:30am

re: #374 Lidane

Oh, she liked them. She still likes those soft peppermint candies. She also liked those nougats with the jellied fruit in them, which I would avoid in favor of the butterscotch or cinnamon hard candies.

I don't like peppermint nougat. Give me a bag of starlight mints or candy canes at Christmas and I'm good with that. Or some of that Ghirardelli peppermint bark. That stuff rules.

Candy that I thought was gross when I was a kid (and is still totally gross):
in no particular order
1. Black licorice
2. Mary Janes (peanut butter nougat)
3. Good 'n' Plenty
4. Necco wafers
5. Bit o' Honey
6. Peter Paul Mounds & Almond Joy
7. Chuckles
8. Jujubes
9. Joyva jelly rings (see above)
10. Whitman's sampler jellies they snuck between the cremes & caramels.

379 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:14:39am

re: #363 Lidane

If a bunch of women on a talk show are too much for Mitt to handle, then he's a fucking coward. How's he going to handle Putin or some other world leader that disagrees with him?

It's not "being able to handle it", its that it a no-win scenario for him. If he plays it cool, then he looks like he's getting hammered by his political critics, since the liberal hosts of the show will not credit him with a point even if he scores one (MBF: conservatives would be just as unwilling to concede anything, likely moreso). If Mitt snarls back at Joy Behar, by contrast, then he just looks like an asshole for going after a woman.

It's smart at times for conservative women to go on "The View", but conservative men should avoid it unless they possess William F. Buckley-level verbal skills, which Mitt Romney does not.

380 gwangung  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:15:23am

re: #379 Dark_Falcon

It's not "being able to handle it", its that it a no-win scenario for him. If he plays it cool, then he looks like he's getting hammered by his political critics, since the liberal hosts of the show will not credit him with a point even if he scores one (MBF: conservatives would be just as unwilling to concede anything, likely moreso). If Mitt snarls back at Joy Behar, by contrast, then he just looks like an asshole for going after a woman.

It's smart at times for conservative women to go on "The View", but conservative men should avoid it unless they possess William F. Buckley-level verbal skills, which Mitt Romney does not.

In other words, he's not able to handle it.

381 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:15:56am

LOLWUT:

382 ShaunP  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:15:59am

re: #378 Sheila Broflovski

Candy that I thought was gross when I was a kid (and is still totally gross):
in no particular order
1. Black licorice
2. Mary Janes (peanut butter nougat)
3. Good 'n' Plenty
4. Necco wafers
5. Bit o' Honey
6. Peter Paul Mounds & Almond Joy
7. Chuckles
8. Jujubes
9. Joyva jelly rings (see above)
10. Whitman's sampler jellies they snuck between the cremes & caramels.

I hated candy corn until about age 15. Now I can't have it in the house, because I'll inhale it in a single sitting...

383 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:16:53am

re: #382 ShaunP

I hated candy corn until about age 15. Now I can't have it in the house, because I'll inhale it in a single sitting...

I liked candy corn as a kid, it makes me gag now.

384 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:17:45am

re: #382 ShaunP

I hated candy corn until about age 15. Now I can't have it in the house, because I'll inhale it in a single sitting...

I've seen art made with melted candy corn.

385 Tigger2005  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:18:03am

re: #367 goddamnedfrank

The entire organization is constructed to facilitate right wing Christian bigotry. They didn't just innocently stumble into their earlier anti gay controversy, it was a direct expression of who they are, fundamentally stupid, mean, bigoted shits. They reveled in it, what makes you think they learned any lesson except to engage in more of the same behavior?

Are we talking about Chick-fil-a, or the GOP?

386 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:18:10am

re: #344 Ghost of Tom Joad

[snip]

What's inside those things? It ain't any jelly I know of.

KY?

Don't eat the Kentucky jelly, it tastes like shit.

387 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:18:12am

re: #382 ShaunP

I hated candy corn until about age 15. Now I can't have it in the house, because I'll inhale it in a single sitting...

Doesn't it get stuck up your nose?

388 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:18:28am

re: #379 Dark_Falcon

It's not "being able to handle it", its that it a no-win scenario for him..

So what? Being President means everything you do is a no-win scenario.

He's a coward, full stop. No surprise, really. Mitt's the guy who protested FOR the Vietnam draft only to run and hide in a French castle. A bunch of women are clearly beyond him too.

389 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:19:16am

re: #372 nemus

Thanks :) Been lurking here for quite a while - think I got mondo lucky when the server transfer occurred and managed to register before Charles locked down registration again. Early bird gets the worm and all that :P

All hatchlings have to get through some kind of cracks.

390 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:19:19am

re: #266 RadicalModerate

You really don't know that the term "fruitcake" is an anti-gay slur?

It has come to mean that, yes, but the original meaning was simply "nutty as a fruitcake". And coming from most anyone else, I might leave it at that.

But I am not really willing to give Chick Fil-A the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Or maybe they are just feeling a bit gay (in the original meaning of the word)

391 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:20:06am

re: #389 wrenchwench

All hatchlings have to get through some kind of cracks.

I'm still trying to get through some wise-cracks, and I've been here since '09.

392 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:20:37am

re: #380 gwangung

In other words, he's not able to handle it.

How could you 'handle it'? What could a conservative man possibly gain by appearing there?

393 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:20:42am

re: #377 Gangnam Style

Being gang tackled is part of his job.

If he was sincere enough, it would be a really good way to sell himself to an audience they're desperately trying to covet. He should take Ann with him (granted, she'd be nothing more than a shield at that point, but that's all she's been so far).

394 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:20:58am

re: #378 Sheila Broflovski

Candy that I thought was gross when I was a kid (and is still totally gross):
in no particular order
1. Black licorice
2. Mary Janes (peanut butter nougat)
3. Good 'n' Plenty
4. Necco wafers
5. Bit o' Honey
6. Peter Paul Mounds & Almond Joy
7. Chuckles
8. Jujubes
9. Joyva jelly rings (see above)
10. Whitman's sampler jellies they snuck between the cremes & caramels.

Ugh. Most of those make me ill, especially Bit o' Honey and Necco wafers. The Necco wafers taste like chalk and Bit o' Honey was another of those candies that Mom liked to have around because she liked them, but which I could never get into.

395 Mocking Jay  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:21:22am

re: #392 Dark_Falcon

How could you 'handle it'? What could a conservative man possibly gain by appearing there?

Access to an audience he might not normally have?

396 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:22:51am

re: #392 Dark_Falcon

How could you 'handle it'? What could a conservative man possibly gain by appearing there?

Proof that he has a spine?

Being able to face your critics head on is part of being POTUS. Obama's done interviews on Faux News. Why shouldn't Mitt go on The View?

397 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:23:58am

re: #378 Sheila Broflovski

Candy that I thought was gross when I was a kid (and is still totally gross):
in no particular order
1. Black licorice
2. Mary Janes (peanut butter nougat)
3. Good 'n' Plenty
4. Necco wafers
5. Bit o' Honey
6. Peter Paul Mounds & Almond Joy
7. Chuckles
8. Jujubes
9. Joyva jelly rings (see above)
10. Whitman's sampler jellies they snuck between the cremes & caramels.

I will go miles out of my way to find chocolate Necco wafers. Loved 'em as a kid; still do. Even after I broke a tooth biting one. (The tooth was on its way out anyway. There's no way a Necco wafer is hard enough to break an intact tooth.)

398 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:24:35am

Ugh. Wingnuts keep tweeting the "Israeli flag is illegal in Dearborn." FAIL.

399 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:24:38am

re: #395 Mocking Jay

Access to an audience he might not normally have?

That won't help if he gets buried by hostile questions. Which he would. He'd be too outnumbered.

400 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:24:41am

re: #392 Dark_Falcon

How could you 'handle it'? What could a conservative man possibly gain by appearing there?

A less inept, socially stunted politician than Mitt - even a conservative - could score big with women, which is the show's prime demographic.

Cain went on, as did Netanyahu. But Mitt does not have the social skills of a misogynist like Herman Cain, and he knows it. He's scared of a bunch of women becausae they might make him look bad worse.

401 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:25:09am

re: #392 Dark_Falcon

How could you 'handle it'? What could a conservative man possibly gain by appearing there?

That's easy. He's got to do more than pander to his base if he wants to win. He's got to sell himself as an actual living/breathing humanoid. He'd be engaging with an all-woman panel on a popular show that leans more to the proverbial left. It's 20 or so minutes of acting human. He can pull it off.

402 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:26:26am

Basically the argument is that Mitt is too much of a pussy to go talk to three uppity women and Elizabeth Hasselbeck. Got it.

403 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:26:29am

I seem to remember a common RW talking point that Obama was busy appearing on The View during the Algerian embassy crisis.

Mitt has calculated that he has more RW credibility to gain by blowing them off than he might gain from appearing on it.

404 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:26:44am

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

That won't help if he gets buried by hostile questions. Which he would. He'd be too outnumbered.

You're not exactly improving Mitt's image, you know. Every excuse you make only makes him into a bigger coward.

If he's sincere in his beliefs and if he really does want to run the country, then facing a hostile audience is part of the deal. If he can't face Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar, how could he possibly handle a world leader who disagrees with him?

405 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:26:58am

re: #399 Dark_Falcon

That won't help if he gets buried by hostile questions. Which he would. He'd be too outnumbered.

You make him out to be such a pussy.

(Frank beat me to it, sorry, didn't see the comment in time)

406 nemus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:27:15am

re: #392 Dark_Falcon

How could you 'handle it'? What could a conservative man possibly gain by appearing there?

Considering Mitt's tendency to 'change his tone' depending on the audience he's addressing, you'd think he'd be able to handle the view fine. He'd go on there and spout off about how he's for "100% of women's rights" then of course his campaign would put out a footnote an hour later with an 'except in the case of a woman's right to choose, right to fair pay, or right to marry her other woman friend" but - you know, they're well versed in that type of backpedaling by now so its not like its a particularly difficult path for them.

407 nemus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:27:38am

re: #405 Ghost of Tom Joad

You make him out to be such a pussy.

Well, you know, if the shoe fits... :P

408 gwangung  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:29:43am

re: #392 Dark_Falcon

How could you 'handle it'? What could a conservative man possibly gain by appearing there?

Most politicians can handle it.

Facing hostile questions, even a ton of them , IS PART OF THE JOB.

This is a job interview. Hostile questions are part of the process.

You're just saying, over and over again, Romney can't face pressure.

409 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:30:09am

re: #401 Ghost of Tom Joad

That's easy. He's got to do more than pander to his base if he wants to win. He's got to sell himself as an actual living/breathing humanoid. He'd be engaging with an all-woman panel on a popular show that leans more to the proverbial left. It's 20 or so minutes of acting human. He can pull it off.

"as an actual living/breathing humanoid"
Winning.

410 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:30:29am

re: #405 Ghost of Tom Joad

You make him out to be such a pussy.

Nah. He just reinforces the fact that Mitt's a pussy.

Remember -- while other men his age were dying in Vietnam, Mitt Romney protested in favor of the draft then ran off and hid in France. That makes him a pussy. Refusing to go on The View just reminds people of that.

411 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:30:44am

re: #404 Lidane

You're not exactly improving Mitt's image, you know. Every excuse you make only makes him into a bigger coward.

If he's sincere in his beliefs and if he really does want to run the country, then facing a hostile audience is part of the deal. If he can't face Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar, how could he possibly handle a world leader who disagrees with him?

It's not a matter of arguing your case, going on a talk show is about appearing to win the argument while looking good on television. No matter what Mitt Romney said or how well he did, he'd be attacked and those attacks would be used to create DNC talking points to be aimed against him. There's no realistic way for him to look good in that setting.

412 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:31:35am

re: #407 nemus

Well, you know, if the shoe fits... :P

Same thing with Ryan too "Joe Biden was so mean to the nice young man!"

It used to be the Republicans were these tough, rugged, individualists who hunted, drove pick-up trucks, and kicked ass and the Dems were these effeminate losers who couldn't stand up to anybody.

Now, a Presidential candidate from the party of "Fuck it, let's bomb them!" is afraid of a group of menopausal women. God I love this country.

413 gwangung  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:32:24am

re: #411 Dark_Falcon

It's not a matter of arguing your case, going on a talk show is about appearing to win the argument while looking good on television. No matter what Mitt Romney said or how well he did, he'd be attacked and those attacks would be used to create DNC talking points to be aimed against him. There's no realistic way for him to look good in that setting.

If you really think that, you have no business in politics. YOUR JOB IS TO TAKE THOSE QUESTIONS. These are YOUR people you're supposed to be President of.

There are plenty of realistic ways to make him look good. He's just too gutless to try them.

414 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:33:11am

re: #410 Lidane

Nah. He just reinforces the fact that Mitt's a pussy.

Remember -- while other men his age were dying in Vietnam, Mitt Romney protested in favor of the draft then ran off and hid in France. That makes him a pussy. Refusing to go on The View just reminds people of that.

Muhammad Ali went to jail for his religious beliefs. Where was Mitt?

He wasn't even a conscientious objector.

415 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:33:36am

re: #411 Dark_Falcon

No matter what Mitt Romney said or how well he did, he'd be attacked and those attacks would be used to create DNC talking points to be aimed against him. There's no realistic way for him to look good in that setting.

You think that won't happen if he's POTUS? Get real.

Every time Obama goes on a talk show or does an interview, guess what happens? He gets attacked for it and the RNC creates talking points to use against him. Big fucking deal. IT'S PART OF THE JOB. Being POTUS means having every word you say picked apart and scrutinized and attacked.

If Mitt can't deal with it now before the election, he won't be able to deal with it if he wins. And he won't be able to deal with real threats either.

416 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:33:44am

re: #412 Ghost of Tom Joad

To be fair, Mitt needs to be busy preparing for a really critical debate. There is word that spears will be chucked.

417 kirkspencer  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:33:44am

re: #392 Dark_Falcon

How could you 'handle it'? What could a conservative man possibly gain by appearing there?

to gain? a demographic in which he's weak. See, it doesn't really matter how the hosts "score" him. It's how he comes across to the women who watch the show and hence see him. He doesn't have to score "points". He just has to show he's not a boogeyman, that he's reasonable and willing to discuss (instead of lecture) issues relevant to women.

Of course, to me the tell tale in his prior remark isn't that four hostesses are liberal. It's that they're "sharp tongued". That comes across to me like an old joke. (He's assertive, She's a bitch.) It reinforces the belief that all things considered he doesn't think of women as full partners.

418 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:33:45am

re: #411 Dark_Falcon

It's not a matter of arguing your case, going on a talk show is about appearing to win the argument while looking good on television. No matter what Mitt Romney said or how well he did, he'd be attacked and those attacks would be used to create DNC talking points to be aimed against him. There's no realistic way for him to look good in that setting.

Kind of like if Obama went into the Republican Caucus to be grilled. Wonder if Obama has the balls to do that (I know)? Seems like a couple ladies that lean left wouldn't be that hard.

419 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:34:09am

re: #411 Dark_Falcon

No matter what Mitt Romney said or how well he did, he'd be attacked and those attacks would be used to create DNC talking points to be aimed against him.

So you're arguing that Mitt should just shut up and hide under his couch between now and the election.

420 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:34:32am

Romney is no Malala Yousufzai.

421 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:35:15am

re: #416 Decatur Deb

to be fair, Mitt needs to be busy preparing for a really critical debate. There is word that spears will be chucked.

Can't dodge a spear if you can't dodge a wrench!

422 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:35:37am

This campaign is all about talking points, and Mitt, who knows taht the farther divorced from reality, the more effective the talking points are ("You didn't build that", "I believe in redistribution" "We don't care about the economy", etc.) the more effectively they can be used against an opponent.

He is just avoiding giving his opponents talking points to use against him. Tactically sound, but it does make him like a bit of wimp over the long run.

423 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:36:03am
424 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:36:12am

re: #421 Eventual Carrion

Nice job working a Dodgeball reference in there. Upding sir.

425 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:36:25am

re: #419 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

So you're arguing that Mitt should just shut up and hide under his couch between now and the election.

That's pretty much what he's been trying to do, at least policy-wise.

It's amazing to me that LGF's resident Republican is pretty much conceding that Romney is a pussy.

426 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:36:52am

re: #423 Lidane

Fox News promotes report from British tabloid to claim new data shows "Global Warming [is] Over." mm4a.org/RZKbFT #p2

— Media Matters (@mmfa) October 15, 2012

I missed it? Leave to make a sandwich and everything happens.

427 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:37:02am

re: #423 Lidane

Fox News promotes report from British tabloid to claim new data shows "Global Warming [is] Over."

I get all my vital information from British tabloids. Especially on the page 3 girls.

428 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:37:03am

re: #420 Gangnam Style

Romney is no Malala Yousufzai.

No, he's not. He takes actions based on expected gains, and his decisions are firstly matters of calculation. But right now a calculating problem-solver seems more our need.

429 erik_t  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:38:11am

Calculus of Cowardice: The Romney/Ryan Story

430 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:38:41am

re: #428 Dark_Falcon

A calculating problem solver who refuses to say how he'd solve any problems.

Oh yeah. REAL profile in courage there.

431 erik_t  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:39:11am

re: #428 Dark_Falcon

No, he's not. He takes actions based on expected gains, and his decisions are firstly matters of calculation. But right now a calculating problem-solver seems more our need.

I agree, that's why I'm voting to re-elect Barack Obama.

432 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:39:27am

re: #428 Dark_Falcon

No, he's not. He takes actions based on expected gains, and his decisions are firstly matters of calculation. But right now a calculating problem-solver seems more our need.

He's not looking much like a calculating problem solver right now.

He looks more like a timid politician who's afraid of getting difficult questions.

Big, bold captain of industry. Afraid of a few liberal women. That's fucking pathetic.

433 gwangung  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:39:43am

re: #428 Dark_Falcon

No, he's not. He takes actions based on expected gains, and his decisions are firstly matters of calculation. But right now a calculating problem-solver seems more our need.

He's not showing his work.

434 nemus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:40:02am

re: #430 Lidane

A calculating problem solver who refuses to say how he'd solve any problems.

Oh yeah. REAL profile in courage there.

But see, he's calculated that saying how he'd go about solving the problems results in a loss, so by not saying so, its a gain. Its stupid in its simplicity - I'm just beyond thankful that the more he gets nailed on it, the less it seems people like his approach.

435 ShaunP  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:40:08am

re: #411 Dark_Falcon

It's not a matter of arguing your case, going on a talk show is about appearing to win the argument while looking good on television. No matter what Mitt Romney said or how well he did, he'd be attacked and those attacks would be used to create DNC talking points to be aimed against him. There's no realistic way for him to look good in that setting.

FWIW, I agree with you. I wonder why he accepted in the first place...

436 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:41:39am

re: #435 ShaunP

FWIW, I agree with you. I wonder why he accepted in the first place...

These shows are booked way in advance. He probably expected to have a double digit lead by now.

437 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:41:50am

re: #428 Dark_Falcon

No, he's not. He takes actions based on expected gains, and his decisions are firstly matters of calculation. But right now a calculating problem-solver seems more our need.

What problems has Romney solved in the past, and how has he solved them?

It's really amazing to me that at this point, I still don't really know anything about Romney that speaks in his favor. He's made some money. So have a lot of other people. He ran the Olympics, using a heck of a lot of government money and winding up with the records destroyed.

What in Romney's record should I actually find worth voting for? It's obvious the man's character has nothing to offer, you've admitted as much.

438 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:41:52am
439 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:42:00am

re: #435 ShaunP

FWIW, I agree with you. I wonder why he accepted in the first place...

Bait and switch to get Ann Romney on the show, most likely. She actually can make gains for her husband on the show, as she's non-political enough to inhibit major attacks.

440 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:42:11am

re: #435 ShaunP

FWIW, I agree with you. I wonder why he accepted in the first place...

Which is a good point. If you know what you're getting into, don't accept and then back out. That just looks worse. I'm sure he has some sort of excuse, but the ladies on the View hopefully take a few shots at him for it.

441 BeenHereAwhile  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:43:23am

re: #132 Cannadian Club Akbar

MY stoopid phone wouldn't turn on ever though it has a full battery. Had to plug it in. WTF?

When was the last time you re-booted (not reset) your handheld?

If you don't know how, Google "how to reboot a [insert your handheld brand]?

If a [brand name] tech tells you that you have to reset your phone, I'd RUN and try the reboot first.

442 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:43:37am

re: #439 Dark_Falcon

Bait and switch to get Ann Romney on the show, most likely. She actually can make gains for her husband on the show, as she's non-political enough to inhibit major attacks.

Are you asserting that 'The View' would not have accepted Ann Romney as a guest on her own?

443 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:43:42am

Who knew that Chicago was basically Somalia now?

444 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:44:21am

re: #439 Dark_Falcon

Bait and switch to get Ann Romney on the show, most likely. She actually can make gains for her husband on the show, as she's non-political enough to inhibit major attacks.

Sorry, but that's a really stupid excuse. Ann Romney wouldn't have been rejected as a guest on her own. Come on.

445 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:44:37am

re: #443 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Who knew that Chicago was basically Somalia now?

Just like Dearborn is totally under sharia.//

446 erik_t  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:46:50am

re: #443 Lidane

@BryanJFischer Under liberal governance, Chicago has become a Third World city: Two teens shot dead, 24 wounded.

They should shift to a more conservative, Jesus-heavy mindset like the one that is so effectively curbing the violence in Ciudad Juarenz.

447 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:47:09am

re: #437 Obdicut

None of that matters Obdi, because the entire reason people are voting Romney seems to be "But OBAMA..." It's impossible to talk about any Romney/Ryan or Republican Party position on literally anything without it becoming a referendum on the President.

(edit: not sure if referendum is the right word there, but y'all get my drift)

448 erik_t  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:48:47am

re: #447 Ghost of Tom Joad

None of that matters Obdi, because the entire reason people are voting Romney seems to be "But OBAMA..." It's impossible to talk about any Romney/Ryan or Republican Party position on literally anything without it becoming a referendum on the President.

It's Kerry all over again, except if W had executed Al Gore's entire agenda in the early 2000s.

449 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:49:28am

re: #343 Lidane

Sharp-tongued women...ooh...scary. (and so close to Halloween)

450 blueraven  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:50:48am

re: #439 Dark_Falcon

Bait and switch to get Ann Romney on the show, most likely. She actually can make gains for her husband on the show, as she's non-political enough to inhibit major attacks.

Bait & Switch: That's his MO for everything.

451 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:50:48am

I think Whoopi Goldberg, Joy Behar, and the other women from the View should be in the audience at tomorrow's debate where they can ask Mitt those tough questions like, "Why are you afraid to come onto our show?"

452 efuseakay  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:51:25am

Remember when Mitt said he would arm Syrian rebels... I wonder where he stands today...

Rebel Arms Flow Is Said to Benefit Jihadists in Syria

453 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:51:37am

re: #450 blueraven

Bait & Switch: That's his MO for everything.

Bait & Switch is how he won the primaries...along with being opposed by a clown-car full of retards and idiots.

454 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:51:50am

re: #443 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Who knew that Chicago was basically Somalia now?

455 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:52:19am

re: #451 darthstar

I think Whoopi Goldberg, Joy Behar, and the other women from the View should be in the audience at tomorrow's debate where they can ask Mitt those tough questions like, "Why are you afraid to come onto our show?"

Hey, they're pretty close to Hofstra. That could be done, unless the invitation process is exclusive (as it has been for past debates at that venue).

456 Sionainn  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:52:24am

re: #326 Lidane

What gives fruitcake its bad reputation are the jellied fruits. They're disgusting.

Personally, I prefer these at Christmas. Or these.

My grandmother had a recipe from the Depression days for a gumdrop fruitcake. Now that was incredibly tasty!

457 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:53:08am

re: #453 darthstar

Bait & Switch is how he won the primaries...along with being opposed by a clown-car full of retards and idiots.

It was my understanding that "retards" is considered inappropriate now.

458 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:53:14am

re: #428 Dark_Falcon

No, he's not. He takes actions based on expected gains, and his decisions are firstly matters of calculation. But right now a calculating problem-solver seems more our need.

Are you the target of his calculations, or is he the target and you're just hoping his wealth trickles down to you?

459 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:54:18am

A solid, friendly Obama tomorrow night connecting with the voters in the town hall and not being put off by Romney's shallow insults will solidify this lead.

460 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:54:39am

Updating a story from a few days ago:

Apparently, the creepy, pedophile Reddit mod was fired from his job right after he was outed.

Killgore will be very upset over this injustice.

461 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:54:40am

re: #457 Dark_Falcon

It was my understanding that "retards" is considered inappropriate now.

Only if you go full retard. That's when it's a problem.

/Tropic Thunder

462 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:54:57am

re: #457 Dark_Falcon

It was my understanding that "retards" is considered inappropriate now.

Denigrating kids with learning disabilities is inappropriate. Calling the retards who make up the Republican leadership retards isn't.

463 efuseakay  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:56:34am

re: #88 Kragar

If the GOP has taught me anything in the last few years, its that voting for any of them enables the worst of them.

Indeed. My problem in 2 years will be that Mark Kirk will be up for re-election... I really don't know what to do about that if he still decides to run, given what has happened to him. He has been great for my district.

464 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:57:47am
465 efuseakay  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:58:09am

re: #443 Lidane

Who knew that Chicago was basically Somalia now?

I know! What surprises me is that, apparently, I can get sweetbreads and foie gras at a moment's notice in Somalia too.

466 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:58:22am

re: #463 efuseakay

Indeed. My problem in 2 years will be that Mark Kirk will be up for re-election... I really don't know what to do about that if he still decides to run, given what has happened to him. He has been great for my district.

Mark Kirk won't be up for reelection till 2016. He was elected to the Senate in 2010 for a full 6-year term. He's also not a wingnut, and he voted to end DADT.

467 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:58:59am

re: #465 efuseakay

I know! What surprises me is that, apparently, I can get sweetbreads and foie gras at a moment's notice in Somalia too.

Rub it in about the foie gras, why don't you? California is foie gras free now, and it's fucking killing me.

468 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:59:15am

re: #466 Dark_Falcon

Mark Kirk won't be up for reelection till 2016. He was elected to the Senate in 2010 for a full 6-year term. He's also not a wingnut, and he voted to end DADT.

Which means that the wingnuts consider him a RINO and he'll be primaried.

469 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:00:38am

re: #467 darthstar

Rub it in about the foie gras, why don't you? California is foie gras free now, and it's fucking killing me.

I'll send you some pigeons and you can pretend they're ducks.

470 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:01:50am
471 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:02:07am

re: #468 Lidane

Which means that the wingnuts consider him a RINO and he'll be primaried.

Could you not rain on my parade every single post, please?

472 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:03:36am

re: #469 Gangnam Style

I'll send you some pigeons and you can pretend they're ducks.

We've got ducks...we're just not allowed to force-feed them through hoses anymore to make fat, tasty livers.

473 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:03:58am

re: #471 Dark_Falcon

Could you not rain on my parade every single post, please?

It's called "trickling down."

474 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:05:35am

Here's what I found out about the latest wingnut bozorage about the Israeli flag from several Tweets:



Images.

A. Driver pulls up and appears to be taunting Arab-American students with large Israeli flag.

B. Student throws soft drink contents onto windshield.

C. Contents of soft drink spread over window.

Clearly a case of incitement by the driver. Imagine if you will driving into a Jewish neighborhood with a large flag of Palestine and saying who knows what to the citizens. And again, I'll bet you 100 dollars that this is just some white Christian dude.

475 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:06:41am

re: #472 darthstar

We've got ducks...we're just not allowed to force-feed them through hoses anymore to make fat, tasty livers.

Any laws about force-feeding pigeons?

476 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:07:04am
477 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:07:26am

re: #473 Ghost of Tom Joad

It's called "trickling down."

That's why people wear underwear - to prevent trickle down.

478 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:08:14am

re: #474 Gus

He was loitering or cruising too as you can tell by the time stamp. The first shows 4:29 PM and the last 4:37 PM. He wasn't just driving through. That's a good 8 minutes that this asshole "adult" was doing this around a bunch of children.

479 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:08:16am

re: #471 Dark_Falcon

Could you not rain on my parade every single post, please?

I'm just presenting the reality of the current GOP. Not my fault the wingnuts would primary Mark Kirk, no matter how effective he might be.

480 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:08:23am

re: #477 Gangnam Style

That's why people wear underwear - to prevent trickle down.

TMI, my friend.

481 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:09:03am

re: #474 Gus

Here's what I found out about the latest wingnut bozorage about the Israeli flag from several Tweets:

[Embedded content]

Images.

A. Driver pulls up and appears to be taunting Arab-American students with large Israeli flag.

B. Student throws soft drink contents onto windshield.

C. Contents of soft drink spread over window.

Clearly a case of incitement by the driver. Imagine if you will driving into a Jewish neighborhood with a large flag of Palestine and saying who knows what to the citizens. And again, I'll bet you 100 dollars that this is just some white Christian dude.

Also, the Islamophobic group is claiming their "rights" were violated because some kids threw water bottles at them as they attempted to "convert" Muslims at a Dearborn Arab-American Festival.

What would Pamela have to say if THESE EXACT SAME ASSHATS visited a "Jewish-American Festival" and tried preaching to the Jews who were attending.

482 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:10:21am

re: #476 Lidane

[Embedded content]

It's the 21st century for fuck sake. When will these people leave the 10th century behind?

483 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:10:35am

re: #481 Sheila Broflovski

If this were all reversed, they would find a way to justify shooting that person because they were a "terrorist."

484 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:11:55am

re: #476 Lidane

[Embedded content]

That can't possibly be legal. It would be like advising people on how to hide bodies or how to rob houses.

485 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:11:58am

re: #481 Sheila Broflovski

Also, the Islamophobic group is claiming their "rights" were violated because some kids threw water bottles at them as they attempted to "convert" Muslims at a Dearborn Arab-American Festival.

What would Pamela have to say if THESE EXACT SAME ASSHATS visited a "Jewish-American Festival" and tried preaching to the Jews who were attending.

Exactly. With freedom of speech comes responsibility.

486 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:12:09am

re: #480 Mostly sane, most of the time.

TMI, my friend.

Just trying to point out the concept of trickle-down is really about corporatists pissing on the rest of us.

487 danarchy  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:14:01am

hehe

ERB Romney vs Obama

488 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:14:09am

Hunh. It looks like the Taliban, in shooting the young woman, has really shot themselves in the foot.

The Pakistani people are rallying behind her, not them.

489 A Mom Anon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:18:31am

re: #482 Gangnam Style

Never. They'll either have some weird epiphany and figure out they were being assholes(I know,doubtful,but I always try to see the lining in the cloud,as much as possible),or they'll die mean and alone. Most likely the latter. This is what happens when stoking fear and lies becomes acceptable. I wonder what would happen if the Muslim schools started flying Israeli flags,just to fuck with the haters. Sometimes I think the only way to really counter this is to fight back and make these morons look more ridiculous than they already do.

490 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:18:57am

re: #488 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Hunh. It looks like the Taliban, in shooting the young woman, has really shot themselves in the foot.

The Pakistani people are rallying behind her, not them.

Well, let's face it, the Taliban aren't doing the rest of the Muslim world any favors with their bullshit.

491 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 11:24:55am

re: #479 Lidane

I'm just presenting the reality of the current GOP. Not my fault the wingnuts would primary Mark Kirk, no matter how effective he might be.

We'll see if they do that. 2016 is a good ways off and things may have changed by then.


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