The Attack of the Imaginary Plants

Today’s dispatches from the weird world of wingnut paranoia
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PLANTS!

That’s what Andrew Breitbart used to yell, whenever I pointed out that the comment threads at his wingnut websites were filled to the brim with disgusting, openly racist remarks and wild, deranged conspiracy theories. All of those ugly comments were PLANTED! by devious liberals — probably me. And as a matter of fact, Breitbart did indeed accuse me directly of secretly planting all those thousands and thousands of comments, many times on Twitter.

Well, the imaginary plants from Liberalville are showing up again today, as the wingnuts start girding their loins for battle against their own paranoid fantasies.

The absolute dumbest person on the Internet, Jim Hoft (aka “Gateway Pundit”) has uncovered one of these dastardly PLANTS — in a photo from a Mitt Romney rally in Ohio. Because everyone knows there are no racists in Wingnut Fantasyworld.

Hoft’s evidence that this was a PLANT: he was wearing a T-shirt, but everyone else in the picture had a jacket on!

Only plants do that. Notice that Hoft helpfully adds a popup title to the photo: “liberal tshirt.”

Racist “Supporter” at Romney Event Likely a Liberal Plant | the Gateway Pundit.

DERP

The Democrat-media complex was hyperventilating after a photo was posted from a Romney-Ryan event in Lancaster, Ohio on Friday of a supposed Romney “supporter” wearing a racist T-shirt.
The photo was posted at Getty Images.

[…]

Kristinn Taylor at Big Journalism believes its a fake, a liberal plant.

Robert Stacy McCain also says it’s a fake.
The Examiner reported:

But Robert Stacy McCain wrote Saturday that the man in the photo “is not in fact a Republican, but rather is a plant sent out by the Democrats as a dirty trick.”

McCain says there are three clues that indicate the man in the photo is a plant.

First, he says, “nobody” wears a Romney/Ryan sticker on the back of his t-shirt.

Second, McCain says, “It’s kind of chilly in Ohio this time of year, and the guy’s wearing only a T-shirt, while those around him are wearing coats.”

But the third and most telling clue is that the man remains unidentified.

“A press photographer is going to take a picture like this and make no effort to ID the guy? Nuh-uh,” McCain wrote.

You’ll notice all of the real Romney supporters at the Lancaster event on Friday are in jackets and coats - including Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan. But this jacka$$ is wearing a T-shirt.

That doesn’t make sense. He’s most likely a liberal plant. It’s one of the left’s favorite games. But it doesn’t matter to the liberal media. They’ll insist the man is a Romney supporter.

Of course, this same media couldn’t have cared less when Obama supporters were wearing racist pins at the DNC this year.

For more plant-based paranoia, the always shrill Michelle Malkin gets ready for tomorrow’s presidential debate with a reminder about the last plant-infested, CNN-run town hall debate. Featuring pictures that prove it!

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162 comments
1 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:32:11pm

Paul Ryan is a dick.

Antag, a self-described independent voter, said that he “can’t fault my volunteers” for letting the campaign in but said that the campaign “ didn’t go through the proper channels.”
He noted that the soup kitchen relies on funding from private individuals who might reconsider their support if it appears that the charity is favoring one political candidate over another.

“I can’t afford to lose funding from these private individuals,” he said. “For us to even appear like we’re backing somebody, it’s suicide. … If this was the Democrats, I’d have the same exact problem. It doesn’t matter who it was.”

2 Bulworth  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:33:35pm
McCain says there are three clues that indicate the man in the photo is a plant.

First, he says, “nobody” wears a Romney/Ryan sticker on the back of his t-shirt.

Well, that's good enough for me. //

3 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:38:18pm

This is a liberal plant! (and it's fake!)

4 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:38:31pm

saw this bumpersticker this morning in all places here in communist berkeley:

Medicare for Nobody!
Romney/Ryan '12

5 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:39:28pm
6 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:39:44pm

Guy shows up with a "Put the White Back in the White House" t-shirt, he's obviously a liberal plant.

Woman gets caught on video gushing about her "Obama cellphone," she's indicative of all Obama voters and proof that they're just moochers looking for a handout.

Yegods.

7 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:40:08pm

Good news - we're also getting a new state of the art web server soon. Should make a huge difference - the current one is at least 4 years old, and today's servers are orders of magnitude faster.

8 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:41:22pm

a reminder about the last plant-infested, CNN-run town hall debate. Featuring pictures that prove it!

i knew cnn was allowing democrats to participate in debates - i knew it!

9 Bulworth  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:41:45pm
Second, McCain says, “It’s kind of chilly in Ohio this time of year, and the guy’s wearing only a T-shirt, while those around him are wearing coats.”

Alright, which one of yous plant people sent this plant person to the rally without a plant jacket/coat?

10 God of Binders with Women  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:42:06pm

I think Dim uses too much of this plant:

Image: plant.jpg

11 Bulworth  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:43:47pm
Second, McCain says, “It’s kind of chilly in Ohio this time of year, and the guy’s wearing only a T-shirt, while those around him are wearing coats.”

Oh I don't know. Don't all real GOP he-men go around without jackets or coats? Wearing a jacket or coat is kind of pansy, ain't it? /

12 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:43:52pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

Good news - we're also getting a new state of the art web server soon. Should make a huge difference - the current one is at least 4 years old, and today's servers are orders of magnitude faster.

Do you have a physical server farm or are you deployed on the Amazon cloud? My current company is on the cloud...I actually like it. Need a machine? Spin one up and add it to the pool (default config about 862 gig HD, 32 gb RAM, CentOS6.2)...got about fifty of those fuckers now. Might be better cost-wise for you too.

13 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:44:39pm

The occasional slowdowns we're seeing today are happening because the database server is outrunning the web server - it's processing queries faster than the web server can supply connections to return the data.

14 God of Binders with Women  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:45:09pm

So Dim and his minions think this photo is racist. Really.

Image: Racist_DNC_button.jpg

15 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:45:33pm

Obviously RSM has never been to Ohio.
Morons here have been seen wearing flip-flops in the snow.

16 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:45:56pm

re: #10 Kid A

I think Dim uses too much of this plant:

Image: plant.jpg

Oh, that's pretty. Too bad it is so damn habit forming. The few times I smoked it (topping a bowl of hashish) were pretty fun.

17 bluecheese  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:46:58pm

re: #16 darthstar

Oh, that's pretty. Too bad it is so damn habit forming. The few times I smoked it (topping a bowl of hashish) were pretty fun.

what is it?

18 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:47:06pm
19 God of Binders with Women  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:47:18pm

re: #17 bluecheese

what is it?

A poppy plant.

20 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:47:21pm

re: #17 bluecheese

what is it?

Opium

21 bluecheese  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:48:04pm

oic.

thanks

22 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:48:23pm

More on dish-gate.

23 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:49:11pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

The occasional slowdowns we're seeing today are happening because the database server is outrunning the web server - it's processing queries faster than the web server can supply connections to return the data.

Geek tweet from my brother today:

QUERY: "Did you read the first volume of that new database fantasy series?" No, I'm waiting for the SQL.

24 A Mom Anon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:51:13pm

It was around 60 degrees in Lancaster on Friday during the day. Not freezing ass cold,certainly not for Ohio.

I have a husband who wears shorts and t-shirts until the daytime temps drop into the 30's. It can be freezing in the house and he still has to have the fan on while he sleeps. In other words this nonsense means zilch. As for the sticker,that is just gilding the obvious lily here. Jesus these people need hobbies of some kind,don't they have spouses and kids to hang with? Friends? Something?

25 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:52:17pm

re: #22 darthstar

More on dish-gate.

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Ryan is such a faker. He fakes his athletic records, he fakes how many mountains he's climbed, he fakes doing charity at a soup kitchen. He really thinks the voters are that stupid.

26 Big Joe  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:52:55pm

re: #25 Obdicut

Ryan is such a faker. He fakes his athletic records, he fakes how many mountains he's climbed, he fakes doing charity at a soup kitchen. He really thinks the voters are that stupid.

He's right. :(

27 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:53:24pm

New web server may be ready to go tonight. Yowza.

28 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:55:30pm

Remember they guy with the Obama Monkey Doll at the McCain rally? Thinking back I feel kinda bad for him. Once he noticed the cameras watching he tried to hide it, eventually tried to pawn it off on some little kid. I wonder whatever happened to him.

29 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:56:56pm
30 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:58:17pm

Right. There is no causality here. It only happened right about that time that...

• Jason Thompson wanting to send Obama "back to Africa."
• Mark Sanford talking about Obama resorting to "spear chucking."
• The daily Tweets from Trump about Obama being African.
• Jon Hubbard writing about how blacks were lucky to be slaves.

Yeah. This is just a mere coincidence. An anomaly in the space/time continuum. Fact is that there is zero tolerance for racism in the GOP so the only logical conclusion is that this guy is a liberal plant.

Including the people behind him that seem to be rather calm about what they're reading.

//

31 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:58:18pm
32 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 2:59:23pm

Obama prepares his October surprise: White House reportedly preps strike team to take out terrorists tied to Libya attack

The White House has put special operations strike forces on standby and moved drones into the skies above Africa, ready to strike militant targets from Libya to Mali — if investigators can find the Al Qaeda-linked group responsible for the death of the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans in Libya.

But officials say the administration, with weeks until the presidential election, is weighing whether the short-term payoff of exacting retribution on Al Qaeda is worth the risk that such strikes could elevate the group's profile in the region, alienate governments the U.S. needs to fight it in the future and do little to slow the growing terror threat in North Africa.

Details on the administration's position and on its search for a possible target were provided by three current and one former administration official, as well as an analyst who was approached by the White House for help. All four spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the high-level debates publicly.

33 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:00:26pm

re: #24 A Mom Anon

It was around 60 degrees in Lancaster on Friday during the day. Not freezing ass cold,certainly not for Ohio.

I have a husband who wears shorts and t-shirts until the daytime temps drop into the 30's. It can be freezing in the house and he still has to have the fan on while he sleeps. In other words this nonsense means zilch. As for the sticker,that is just gilding the obvious lily here. Jesus these people need hobbies of some kind,don't they have spouses and kids to hang with? Friends? Something?

Way I am here in NW PA. Tee during day until it gets into low 40's, then a Cabela's vest into the low 30's, then the leather jacket with the lining taken out until it starts into the low teens, then lining back in.

34 erik_t  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:00:26pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Obama prepares his October surprise: White House reportedly preps strike team to take out terrorists tied to Libya attack

Or, to use less loaded language, he's preparing a counter-attack a month after the prompting event.

35 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:01:12pm

re: #34 erik_t

Or, to use less loaded language, he's preparing a counter-attack a month after the prompting event.

That can't be true, we all know Obama's totally too soft on terrorism. This is just him trying to look "strong" before the next debate!

36 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:01:27pm

re: #34 erik_t

Or, to use less loaded language, he's preparing a counter-attack a month after the prompting event.

Clearly Obama allowed the first attack to take place so he could strike back and use it as an October surprise.

//

38 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:03:11pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Obama prepares his October surprise: White House reportedly preps strike team to take out terrorists tied to Libya attack

Personally, I prefer to hear about these things after they happen and give credit where credit is due, rather than politicizing them before they happen (as Fox and Friend Mitt are doing) so they can discount the work of our brave men and women who execute these missions.

And calling it an October surprise implies that President Obama is using the death of a US ambassador as a campaign gimmick, which is about as hypocritical a criticism as you can levy.

39 Kragar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:03:53pm

Fischer: 'Political Leadership Ought to be Reserved for the Hands of Males'

Fischer returned to the discussion of the proper role of women in society on his radio program today where he made it quite clear that he believes that "biblical lines of authority" ought to be enforced at home, in the church, and in society and that anybody who has a problem with that can take it up with Jesus.

Fischer went on to reiterate that "masculine leadership in society over the nation" is "God's basic plan for today" and "political leadership ought to be ... reserved for the hands of males" and the fact that he is probably going to be attacked for saying so is just evidence that we can't have a reasonable discussion about this issue:

Someone never got over his mom leaving.

40 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:04:57pm

re: #38 darthstar

Personally, I prefer to hear about these things after they happen and give credit where credit is due, rather than politicizing them before they happen (as Fox and Friend Mitt are doing) so they can discount the work of our brave men and women who execute these missions.

And calling it an October surprise implies that President Obama is using the death of a US ambassador as a campaign gimmick, which is about as hypocritical a criticism as you can levy.

That would be because it's another case of projection, in this case the GOP using the death of a US ambassador as an excuse to accuse the White House of not taking Al-Q "seriously." Even after the last ambassador's family has asked for their son's death not to be politicized.

41 A Mom Anon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:06:02pm

re: #33 Eventual Carrion

I'm in GA,which means the husband hardly ever wears long pants,lol. Except to work or to ride the motorcycle somewhere. We've got maybe 2 months where you can honestly say it's cold sometimes. In Ohio(I lived there for the first 25 yrs of my life) though,it doesn't get really cold,as in Brrrrr cold til around Halloween or mid Nov. These freaking idiots should at least check the Weather Channel before they run their yaps.

42 Mattand  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:06:31pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Obama prepares his October surprise: White House reportedly preps strike team to take out terrorists tied to Libya attack

Right. Because any Republican President would have politely waited until after the election to take out the guys who killed our ambassador.

October surprise? Seriously?

43 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:06:55pm

re: #39 Kragar

Someone never got over his mom leaving.

If you were Fischer's mom, you would have gotten the hell out of town too.

44 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:07:46pm

re: #37 Gus

White Student Union: Towson University Student Matthew Heimbach Discusses Controversial Group On HuffPost Live (VIDEO)

Ha ha ha ha! They have Jarred Taylor in the second video.

No racism here! It's just... race realism! That's not racism. //

45 gwangung  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:07:52pm

re: #42 Mattand

Right. Because any Republican President would have politely waited until after the election to take out the guys who killed our ambassador.

October surprise? Seriously?

It's only a surprise to folks who think government can't do anything.

46 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:08:48pm

I see that the media have decided to label what Jason Thompson said about sending Obama "back to Kenya" as a "Birther joke."

Never mind the long racist history of saying "go back to Africa" to a black man. It's just those wacky Birthers again. Tommy Thompson's kid couldn't possibly be a racist piece of shit.

47 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:08:56pm

re: #42 Mattand

Right. Because any Republican President would have politely waited until after the election to take out the guys who killed our ambassador.

October surprise? Seriously?

He can't work on a Bush getting bin Laden time frame, things are different.

48 erik_t  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:08:59pm

re: #42 Mattand

Right. Because any Republican President would have politely waited until after the election to take out the guys who killed our ambassador.

October surprise? Seriously?

It's all the fault of those asshole terrorists for making their surprise a September Surprise, obviously.

/not sure if

49 Kragar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:09:36pm

re: #43 darthstar

If you were Fischer's mom, you would have gotten the hell out of town too.

Without a doubt. An article I read about Fischer said she left, Fischer stayed with his father, but blamed him for not being man enough to make her stay.

A profoundly broken individual.

50 A Mom Anon  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:12:08pm

re: #49 Kragar

God that's sad. How old is he? Carried that and let it fester his whole life? Damn. So now everyone else has to pay for his unresolved mommy AND daddy issues. That seems to be a pattern with many on the far right.

51 Patricia Kayden  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:12:34pm

So is this Republican a plant?

[Link: angryblackladychronicles.com...]

What about Thompson's son? What about Romney with his birther "joke"? The Republicans need to acknowledge that they have a serious problem with racism and fix that problem. Especially since the White demographic won't be enough to win elections in a few decades.

52 erik_t  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:13:09pm

re: #51 Patricia Kayden

More plants than a gardening convention.

53 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:15:37pm
54 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:16:08pm
55 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:16:10pm

I keep wondering how Dim Hoft gets through his days without a crash helmet.

I guess his bubble of denial is just that strong.

56 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:18:57pm

re: #55 Lidane

I keep wondering how Dim Hoft gets through his days without a crash helmet.

I guess his bubble of denial is just that strong.

Steel plate

57 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:20:41pm
58 Kragar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:21:02pm

Christian Group Finds Gay Agenda in an Anti-Bullying Day

The program, started 11 years ago by the Southern Poverty Law Center and now in more than 2,500 schools, was intended as a way to break up cliques and prevent bullying.

But this year, the American Family Association, a conservative evangelical group, has called the project “a nationwide push to promote the homosexual lifestyle in public schools” and is urging parents to keep their children home from school on Oct. 30, the day most of the schools plan to participate this year.

The charges, raised in an e-mail to supporters earlier this month, have caused a handful of schools to cancel this year’s event and has caught organizers off guard.

“I was surprised that they completely lied about what Mix It Up Day is,” said Maureen Costello, the director of the center’s Teaching Tolerance project, which organizes the program. “It was a cynical, fear-mongering tactic.”

59 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:21:03pm

Posting from my S3 isn't too bad. Nice and fast.

60 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:21:21pm

re: #53 Gus

Holy shit.

Image: nri126_041_2.jpg

Not photoshopped? That's really Romney hanging out with Pamela Geller?

61 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:21:41pm

re: #53 Gus

She's blocking hotlinked images. Here it is:

Mitt Romney posing with Pamela Geller.

62 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:21:49pm
63 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:22:13pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

She's blocking hotlinked images. Here it is:

Mitt Romney posing with Pamela Geller.

Wow...he really doesn't have a soul.

64 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:22:51pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

She's blocking hotlinked images. Here it is:

Mitt Romney posing with Pamela Geller.

Well I'll be damned. Of course we always knew this considering John Bolton.

65 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:22:52pm

re: #62 Gus

Retweeting that one.

66 Kragar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:22:58pm

We must bravely save our children from the homosexual act of eating a sandwich with someone they don't regularly eat lunch with. Onward Christian soldiers.

67 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:23:05pm

I think it's actually at least a couple of years old, but still.....she was still just as fucking loathsome back then.

68 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:23:40pm

re: #67 JamesWI

I think it's actually at least a couple of years old, but still.....she was still just as fucking loathsome back then too.

Works for me. Bwahahaha!

69 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:24:31pm

re: #67 JamesWI

I think it's actually at least a couple of years old, but still.....she was still just as fucking loathsome back then too.

Hell, the ADL condemned her in 2010.

70 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:25:38pm

Oh boy oh boy oh boy. A new web server on the way. Oh boy. I'm a kid in a server shop.

Just in time for the elections, we'll have brand new state of the art servers for both web and DB. Most excellent.

71 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:26:11pm

re: #38 darthstar

Personally, I prefer to hear about these things after they happen and give credit where credit is due, rather than politicizing them before they happen (as Fox and Friend Mitt are doing) so they can discount the work of our brave men and women who execute these missions.

And calling it an October surprise implies that President Obama is using the death of a US ambassador as a campaign gimmick, which is about as hypocritical a criticism as you can levy.

I have no doubt that the Obama administration is doing their best. However, I have little doubt they'd very much like to have the perpetrators captured or dead before the election.Obama hasn't really captured many terrorists abroad choosing to kill them in the field. It will be interesting to see what they decide this time.

72 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:26:51pm

A longtime aide to George W. Romney issued a harshly worded critique of Mitt Romney, accusing him of shifting political positions in “erratic and startling ways” and failing to live up to the distinguished record of his father, the former governor of Michigan.

Walter De Vries, who worked for the senior Mr. Romney throughout the 1960s, wrote that Mitt Romney’s bid for the White House was “a far cry from the kind of campaign and conduct, as a public servant, I saw during the seven years I worked in George Romney’s campaigns and served him as governor.”

73 Targetpractice  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:28:23pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

Oh boy oh boy oh boy. A new web server on the way. Oh boy. I'm a kid in a server shop.

Just in time for the elections, we'll have brand new state of the art servers for both web and DB. Most excellent.

What happened to the supercomputer AIs that are installed in the secret LFG HQ under the Denver International Airport?

///

74 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:28:41pm

re: #71 Killgore Trout

I have no doubt that the Obama administration is doing their best. However, I have little doubt they'd very much like to have the perpetrators captured or read before the election.Obama hasn't really captured many terrorists abroad choosing to kill them in the field. It will be interesting to see what they decide this time.

They won't let the election dictate their actions. They didn't' rush to kill bin Laden...they planned and planned and planned before acting. Unlike Mitt Romney, who attacked the President before the Ambassador's family even knew if he was still alive, President Obama thinks before he acts.

75 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:29:23pm
76 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:31:46pm
77 Tigger2  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:33:15pm

re: #76 darthstar

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I would say both of them are.

78 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:38:00pm
79 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:41:30pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Scared Bros at a Haunted House

What was it? Michele Bachmann flossing?

80 Sophist, Gingham Style  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:42:25pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Obama prepares his October surprise: White House reportedly preps strike team to take out terrorists tied to Libya attack

Anyone ever tell you you're kind of a dick?

81 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:42:50pm
82 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:44:51pm

Google Doodle is many flavors of awesome today: [Link: www.google.com...]

83 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:47:49pm

Close encounters of the derp kind on Twitter.

84 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:51:19pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

Google Doodle is many flavors of awesome today: [Link: www.google.com...]

That was a fun one.

85 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:52:39pm

But Charles posed with teh Pam Geller!!11ty

Actually got some dumb Tweet like that.

86 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:52:44pm

Okay...waiting for my brother to get to town so I can walk the two blocks to the ballpark for Game 2 of the NLCS...last night's game was a bit of a bummer, with the Giants giving up an early 6-0 lead. We did get four runs back, but couldn't keep the momentum going to score the other runs we needed. Hoping the bats are on their marks tonight.

87 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:55:40pm

re: #80 SophistFCD

Anyone ever tell you you're kind of a dick?

Rotating title nomination.

88 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:55:49pm

That Scared Bros page is freaking hilarious.

[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

89 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:56:11pm

It might be the best thing on the Internets today.

90 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:56:43pm

re: #88 Charles Johnson

That Scared Bros page is freaking hilarious.

[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

Check out the Photoshops
[Link: www.somethingawful.com...]

91 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:57:24pm

Hahahaha....the guy behind "Gravis Marketing" polls.

Doug Kaplan was Born in Brooklyn, New York, I grew up as the middle child of seven siblings. Early on, I developed a love of project development. By the age of 14, I had read several books . It was at this time that I knew what I wanted to do with my life. Upon graduating from high school, I entered Valencia and Devry University, I quickly found work developing my first project for Discovery Marketing. I learned a lot with the company, as I was responsible for their first national campaign. The most important lesson I learned was the importance of pushing the envelope and not being afraid to take risks. My technique has continued to evolve to the present day.

He's a smart guy. He read SEVERAL books before he reached the age of 14!!!!

92 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 3:57:25pm

If the dude's a plant, prove it. Someone get a picture of his face and find out who it is.

As a historian, I'm not a big fan of unproven accusations.

94 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:00:31pm

re: #91 JamesWI

Hahahaha....the guy behind "Gravis Marketing" polls.

He's a smart guy. He read SEVERAL books before he reached the age of 14!!!!

I bet he now owns several leather-bound books, and his apartment smells of rich mahogany.

95 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:05:16pm

re: #94 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

I bet he now owns several leather-bound books, and his apartment smells of rich mahogany.

I know lots of people who had read several sections of the library by the time we were 14.

96 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:05:46pm
97 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:05:58pm

re: #91 JamesWI

Hahahaha....the guy behind "Gravis Marketing" polls.

He's a smart guy. He read SEVERAL books before he reached the age of 14!!!!

And apparently, Nate Silver's model takes this guy's polls more seriously than Rasmussen.....I guess we might need to rethink our trust in Silver....

98 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:07:07pm

re: #97 JamesWI

And apparently, Nate Silver's model takes this guy's polls more seriously than Rasmussen.....I guess we might need to rethink our trust in Silver....

Any poll is more serious than Rasmussen...
:P

100 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:11:39pm

Rosie Perez does an independent ad about Mitt Romney's "better off if I was a Latino" joke...and it's good.

101 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:11:50pm

re: #98 Varek Raith

Any poll is more serious than Rasmussen...
:P

Normally, I'd agree with you....but Gravis is easily the worst one currently out there. This guy had no polling experience whatsoever.....and just popped up out of nowhere in August. Since then, he's had more swing-state polls than just about any other pollster, and they're just awful.

If nothing else, remember that last week, he had Romney winning 58%.....of the BLACK VOTE in Colorado.

102 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:12:41pm

Tweetable

103 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:13:19pm

The complete Nightmare Factory Scared Bros collection at Flickr:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

104 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:15:00pm

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Gravis is really just a cheap RNC front, designed to get as many favorable polls out there as they can, to make them look better.

I mean, we actually had "serious" news organizations writing articles about how this reject's polls have Romney ahead in swing states.....ridiculous.

105 SpikeDad  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:17:17pm

re: #25 Obdicut

Ryan is such a faker. He fakes his athletic records, he fakes how many mountains he's climbed, he fakes doing charity at a soup kitchen. He really thinks the voters are that stupid.

I have to disagree. Ryan doesn't fake when he talks about his hatred for the poor and old and liberal and atheist. So he's got that.

106 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:20:42pm

re: #95 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I know lots of people who had read several sections of the library by the time we were 14.

No kidding.

Even I was reading several books a week before I was 14.
And I'm slow.

107 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:21:07pm
108 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:22:08pm

re: #107 Gus

Scary shit. Please make that into a page too!

109 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:22:32pm

re: #108 Charles Johnson

Scary shit. Please make that into a page too!

OK. Let me see what I can come up with.

110 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:22:43pm

re: #107 Gus

[Embedded content]

How dare anyone claim the GOP has racists as members!

111 Varek Raith  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:23:15pm

re: #99 Varek Raith

How Paul Ryan Pretended To Volunteer At A Soup Kitchen
...

I don't know why, but this seriously blew my mind.
Damn.

112 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:24:02pm

Nice site here:

[Link: www.romneyryanrevealed.com...]

Love the flip-card graphics.

113 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:24:07pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

Oh boy oh boy oh boy. A new web server on the way. Oh boy. I'm a kid in a server shop.

Just in time for the elections, we'll have brand new state of the art servers for both web and DB. Most excellent.

New workout rooms for the hamsters? Awesome.

Hopefully we won't cause them to have another seizure on Election Day.

114 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:24:20pm

re: #107 Gus

[Embedded content]

In fairness, you can't really blame a shark for the lampreys it attracts.

115 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:24:48pm

re: #111 Varek Raith

I don't know why, but this seriously blew my mind.
Damn.

I think photo-ops in soup kitchens are standard fare for politicians.

116 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:25:16pm

re: #114 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

In fairness, you can't really blame a shark for the lampreys it attracts.

Mitt Romney gives lampreys a bad name.

117 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:25:34pm

re: #113 Lidane

New workout rooms for the hamsters? Awesome.

Hopefully we won't cause them to have another seizure on Election Day.

The hamsters have been retired. LGF is up to raccoons now.

118 darthstar  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:26:12pm

re: #115 Gangnam Style

I think photo-ops in soup kitchens are standard fare for politicians.

Yes, but they usually do it when they can be there to actually help people, not when the place has been sanitized enough for them to not get dirty pretending to clean already-clean dishes.

119 Sophist, Gingham Style  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:26:50pm

re: #91 JamesWI

Early on, I developed a love of project development. By the age of 14, I had read several books .

Are you sure you didn't accidentally quote something from The Onion? Like "Area Man Stats Polling Firm" or something?

120 Lidane  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:28:32pm

re: #117 Gangnam Style

The hamsters have been retired. LGF is up to raccoons now.

Hopefully the hamsters got a good severance package. Maybe a luau and some time on the beach for their efforts or something.

121 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:29:31pm

re: #119 SophistFCD

Are you sure you didn't accidentally quote something from The Onion? Like "Area Man Stats Polling Firm" or something?

Several is more than one.
I suspect he meant several books on project development. Or maybe several books on developing projection.

122 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:30:31pm

re: #120 Lidane

Hopefully the hamsters got a good severance package. Maybe a luau and some time on the beach for their efforts or something.

They were sent to Reptile Gardens for a holiday.

Actually they should be back by now. Strange.

123 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:30:31pm

re: #119 SophistFCD

Are you sure you didn't accidentally quote something from The Onion? Like "Area Man Stats Polling Firm" or something?

Nope, a DeVry graduate who had read AT LEAST THREE books by the time he was 14, and has been sued by the likes of Disney for scams he's perpetrated, is the GOP's favorite new pollster.

124 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:30:35pm

re: #103 Charles Johnson

The complete Nightmare Factory Scared Bros collection at Flickr:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

What scared them all like that?

Was it this?

Naked.

125 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:31:28pm

re: #124 Sheila Broflovski

What scared them all like that?

Was it this?

Naked.

That would do it.

126 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:32:08pm

re: #97 JamesWI

And apparently, Nate Silver's model takes this guy's polls more seriously than Rasmussen.....I guess we might need to rethink our trust in Silver....

Silver has a protocol that deliberately includes outliers, but he also weights "industry standard" polling outfits more heavily. Don't see this guy carrying much weight. Silver has been writing about Rasmussen's weird LV definitions for a couple years.

127 erik_t  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:32:27pm

re: #123 JamesWI

Nope, a DeVry graduate who had read AT LEAST THREE books by the time he was 14, and has been sued by the likes of Disney for scams he's perpetrated, is the GOP's favorite new pollster.

DeVry? Weak sauce. Maybe if he'd go to some creepy unaccredited policy school in Utah, I'd actually listen to him.

128 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:34:23pm

OK. I have to quote "Clue" here:

"I'm a plant."

"I thought men like you were usually called a fruit."

129 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:34:38pm

re: #117 Gangnam Style

The hamsters have been retired. LGF is up to raccoons now.

No, a dozen starving, crazed weasels...hopped up on Walt White's meth:

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:35:19pm

re: #115 Gangnam Style

I think photo-ops in soup kitchens are standard fare for politicians.

Well, usually they make them do something helpful in exchange for the photo op, but I suspect this kind of thing is really very common.

131 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:35:40pm

re: #118 darthstar

Yes, but they usually do it when they can be there to actually help people, not when the place has been sanitized enough for them to not get dirty pretending to clean already-clean dishes.

Poor choice using St Vincent de Paul. They're nationwide, and the Catholics have very good internal communication.

132 erik_t  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:37:29pm

re: #131 Decatur Deb

Poor choice using St Vincent de Paul. They're nationwide, and the Catholics have very good internal communication.

Whatever. Catholics only care about women bits. The bishops told me so.

/

133 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:38:25pm

re: #126 Decatur Deb

Silver has a protocol that deliberately includes outliers, but he also weights "industry standard" polling outfits more heavily. Don't see this guy carrying much weight. Silver has been writing about Rasmussen's weird LV definitions for a couple years.

Well, according to the writer at that link, Silver gives Gravis polls a full "4 bar" weighting. As in, he treats it like one of the most reliable polls there is. But I don't have confirmation for that yet.

134 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:39:10pm

re: #127 erik_t

DeVry? Weak sauce. Maybe if he'd go to some creepy unaccredited policy school in Utah, I'd actually listen to him.

Actually, I might have misstated. I don't think there is evidence that he actually graduated from DeVry. Just that he "attended" DeVry at some point.

135 erik_t  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:40:08pm

re: #133 JamesWI

Well, according to the writer at that link, Silver gives Gravis polls a full "4 bar" weighting. As in, he treats it like one of the most reliable polls there is. But I don't have confirmation for that yet.

I doubt it, since I specifically remember a blog post of Silver's that called out some truly outrageously stupid polls of a few swing states. The name sounds awful familiar.

136 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:41:12pm

re: #135 erik_t

I doubt it, since I specifically remember a blog post of Silver's that called out some truly outrageously stupid polls of a few swing states. The name sounds awful familiar.

Just looking through his swing state polls, I see that Gravis is fully weighted in every one I see, except in a Florida poll, where it's down-graded by one bar.

Wow.....

137 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:41:56pm

re: #133 JamesWI

Well, according to the writer at that link, Silver gives Gravis polls a full "4 bar" weighting. As in, he treats it like one of the most reliable polls there is. But I don't have confirmation for that yet.

Sounds very broken. Waiting for wife to finish his 'Signal and Noise' book.

138 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:44:10pm

re: #136 JamesWI

Just looking through his swing state polls, I see that Gravis is fully weighted in every one I see, except in a Florida poll, where it's down-graded by one bar.

Wow...

Looking at more now, a recent Gravis poll in North Carolina that has Romney up NINE, weighted fully.

139 erik_t  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:45:18pm

re: #138 JamesWI

Looking at more now, a recent Gravis poll in North Carolina that has Romney up NINE, weighted fully.

So what do you want, a sounds-like-bullshit factor to be assigned ad hoc based on Silver's personal feelings of the afternoon?

If that's what you're looking for, you're probably in the wrong place.

140 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:46:17pm

re: #133 JamesWI

Well, according to the writer at that link, Silver gives Gravis polls a full "4 bar" weighting. As in, he treats it like one of the most reliable polls there is. But I don't have confirmation for that yet.

If you look at 538 you'll see that Nate weighs Gravis differently in different States. His protocol is to give new pollsters a slightly greater than average rating, and it appears that the baseline gets tweaked in different states according to 538's assessment of each poll's published methodology.

Is Gravis lying about their methodology though? There's really no way to tell until the election when everyone get's judged against actual results.

141 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:46:51pm

re: #139 erik_t

So what do you want, a sounds-like-bullshit factor to be assigned ad hoc based on Silver's personal feelings of the afternoon?

If that's what you're looking for, you're probably in the wrong place.

I'm just saying, it looks like Silver's methodology is seriously flawed if he's weighing these bogus polls this heavily.

142 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:47:38pm

re: #140 goddamnedfrank

If you look at 538 you'll see that Nate weighs Gravis differently in different States. His protocol is to give new pollsters a slightly greater than average rating, and it appears that the baseline gets tweaked in different states according to 538's assessment of each poll's published methodology.

Is Gravis lying about their methodology though? There's really no way to tell until the election when everyone get's judged against actual results.

I'm looking at 538. The only recent poll that he downgrades at all is in Florida.

143 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:49:13pm

re: #139 erik_t

So what do you want, a sounds-like-bullshit factor to be assigned ad hoc based on Silver's personal feelings of the afternoon?

If that's what you're looking for, you're probably in the wrong place.

And also, Silver does assess pollster ratings for use in his model. The ones that he thinks are bullshit (like Zogby polls) get tossed out.

144 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:52:39pm

re: #141 JamesWI

Jesus, what the fuck is with the hostility? I'm just saying, it looks like Silver's methodology is seriously flawed if he's weighing these bogus polls this heavily.

Sorry, I think I misread hostility in your "You're in the wrong place" comment. Edited out

145 erik_t  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:54:34pm

re: #143 JamesWI

And also, Silver does assess pollster ratings for use in his model. The ones that he thinks are bullshit (like Zogby polls) get tossed out.

He does, because there is an objective criterion for such exclusion (namely, that Zogby is historically worse than a dartboard). There's really no such criterion possible for fresh outfits aside from assessing their sustained house effects, which is something he's already doing.

146 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:55:57pm

re: #142 JamesWI

I'm looking at 538. The only recent poll that he downgrades at all is in Florida.

Hover over the different ratings. The bars are just an approximation not the end of the story. Gravis' Colorado "five bar" poll is weighted at 1.31992 while their North Carolina "five bar" is weighted at 1.03287. Ohio is 1.08049.

It also helps to change the filter to "all states" and click on the "more" buttons for more polls. One thing Nate's model does is give polls a half life, their rating diminishes over time. Most of Gravis' stuff is fairly recent which partially accounts for some of the higher ratings you're seeing.

147 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:56:26pm

re: #142 JamesWI

I'm looking at 538. The only recent poll that he downgrades at all is in Florida.

Must be on a different page--I'm seeing Gravis at 2 bars on today's Virginia, and down one in Nevada.

148 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:59:19pm

re: #146 goddamnedfrank

Hover over the different ratings. The bars are just an approximation not the end of the story. Gravis' Colorado "five bar" poll is weighted at 1.31992 while their North Carolina "five bar" is weighted at 1.03287. Ohio is 1.08049.

It also helps to change the filter to "all states" and click on the "more" buttons for more polls. One thing Nate's model does is give polls a half life, their rating diminishes over time. Most of Gravis' stuff is fairly recent which partially accounts for some of the higher ratings you're seeing.

Ah ok, thanks

149 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 4:59:57pm

re: #111 Varek Raith

I don't know why, but this seriously blew my mind.
Damn.

Sully called it Palinesque.

150 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:00:09pm

re: #146 goddamnedfrank

For instance the most recent Gravis poll in Virginia is a two bar weighted at 0.26015, taken over a month ago.

151 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:01:03pm

Mitt #Romney, Pamela Geller, EDL's Tommy Robinson, Robert Spencer and John Bolton

152 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:02:01pm

re: #147 Decatur Deb

Must be on a different page--I'm seeing Gravis at 2 bars on today's Virginia, and down one in Nevada.

I'm not seeing anything from Gravis in Virginia, except an older poll from 9/9

153 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:03:39pm

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

For instance the most recent Gravis poll in Virginia is a two bar weighted at 0.26015, taken over a month ago.

Yeah, that's because the weight gets reduced the older the poll is. But the recent Gravis ones are generally fully-weighted.

But since I don't know enough about how he's doing the "house effect" stuff, I guess I don't know if he's taking those polls as seriously as the full weight would suggest.

154 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:06:17pm

Muck raking!

155 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:08:22pm

re: #153 JamesWI

Yeah, that's because the weight gets reduced the older the poll is. But the recent Gravis ones are generally fully-weighted.

But since I don't know enough about how he's doing the "house effect" stuff, I guess I don't know if he's taking those polls as seriously as the full weight would suggest.

Like I said earlier his model automatically assigns new pollsters a slightly better than average rating. I'm not sure but I don't think he can assign a house effect until a pollster has been through at least one election.

156 JamesWI  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:11:10pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

Like I said earlier his model automatically assigns new pollsters a slightly better than average rating. I'm not sure but I don't think he can assign a house effect until a pollster has been through at least one election.

Well I guess the justification is that it keeps him from dismissing new polls he doesn't like, which adds to the image of being unbiased. But there should be an out for that when a new pollster is just so blatantly incompetent/fraudulent.

157 Gus  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:24:10pm

Twitter is over capacity.

158 BongCrodny  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:35:54pm

Were they serving Brawndo at the rally?

It's got what plants crave, y'know.

159 Randall Gross  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:47:09pm

re: #78 Charles Johnson

Scared Bros at a Haunted House

I want to be as brave as that laughing girl in the zebra coat.

160 Only The Lurker Knows  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 5:53:14pm

*lurk Off*

Night Lizards. May the Deity Smile down upon You.

*Lurk On*

161 Batman  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 7:38:44pm

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Obama prepares his October surprise: White House reportedly preps strike team to take out terrorists tied to Libya attack

It's a good thing terrorism takes time off during the elections, so as not to affect it in any way. What a shame that the president chooses to politicize it by fighting it during that time.

162 efuseakay  Mon, Oct 15, 2012 10:03:26pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

Oh boy oh boy oh boy. A new web server on the way. Oh boy. I'm a kid in a server shop.

Just in time for the elections, we'll have brand new state of the art servers for both web and DB. Most excellent.

I question your timing.

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