As the Right Wing Flails, Hillary Clinton Takes Responsibility for Libyan Diplomatic Security

Republicans shamelessly exploit the deaths of Americans for political gain

The Republican Party seems to be doing an excellent job of dishonestly using the attack in Libya that killed Ambassador Chris Stevens for political purposes. They’re relentlessly trying to drum this up into a scandal where there is no scandal, and our feckless media are taking the bait, of course.

Today in an interview with CNN, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton took responsibility for diplomatic security, as she should — and the wingnut blogosphere immediately started concocting conspiracy theories that she was pressured into this statement by the White House.

Lima, Peru (CNN) — Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Monday tried to douse a political firestorm over the deadly assault on a U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya, saying she’s responsible for the security of American diplomatic outposts.

“I take responsibility,” Clinton told CNN in an interview while on a visit to Peru. “I’m in charge of the State Department’s 60,000-plus people all over the world, 275 posts. The president and the vice president wouldn’t be knowledgeable about specific decisions that are made by security professionals. They’re the ones who weigh all of the threats and the risks and the needs and make a considered decision.”

But she said an investigation now under way will ultimately determine what happened at the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, where Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans were killed on September 11.

“I take this very personally,” Clinton said. “So we’re going to get to the bottom of it, and then we’re going to do everything we can to work to prevent it from happening again, and then we’re going to work to bring whoever did this to us to justice.”

Meanwhile today, the New York Times is reporting that the infamous anti-Islam video “Innocence of Muslims” did trigger the violence, contradicting the shrill right wing claims that the video had “nothing to do with the attack.” Yes, it really did.

To Libyans who witnessed the assault and know the attackers, there is little doubt what occurred: a well-known group of local Islamist militants struck without any warning or protest, and they did it in retaliation for the video. That is what the fighters said at the time, speaking emotionally of their anger at the video without mentioning Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden or the terrorist strikes of 11 years earlier. And it is an explanation that tracks with their history as a local militant group determined to protect Libya from Western influence.

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270 comments
1 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:23:17am

How did the Islamists even find out about the video when nobody else ever heard about it?

Did the insane criminal producer of the video actually send the link to selected Islamist extremists just in order to stir things up and blame it all on teh Juice?

2 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:23:55am

Related:

3 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:24:18am

Leadership- Something the wingnuts in Congress know shit little about.

4 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:24:56am

re: #2 Gus

Related:

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Like Jennifer Rubin actually gives a shit about Hillary.

5 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:25:01am

And if not bad enough, it now comes out that the WSJ, which has become a hollow shell of itself since Murdoch bought it out, had Hillary's mea culpa for several days, but claims it was holding onto it for a profile article.

6 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:25:48am

So right-wing miscreants want Obama to take responsibility for the Benghazi attack.

Anyone ever take responsibility for 9/11?

Didn't think so.

7 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:25:55am

All LGF conservatives who repeated the deceptive right wing line that the video had nothing to do with the attacks -- you should take this as a lesson in what happens when you believe the wingnut propaganda.

8 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:26:52am

re: #6 Gus

So right-wing miscreants want Obama to take responsibility for the Benghazi attack.

Anyone ever take responsibility for 9/11?

Didn't think so.

If 9/11 happened on Obama's watch. There would be impeachment hearings starting on 9/12. I have no doubt whatsoever that they'd do that.

9 Sophist, Gingham Style  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:27:06am

re: #1 Sheila Broflovski

How did the Islamists even find out about the video when nobody else ever heard about it?

Did the insane criminal producer of the video actually send the link to selected Islamist extremists just in order to stir things up and blame it all on teh Juice?

It was shown on Egyptian television.

10 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:27:20am

Rush spent the first hour of his show today going down the old laundry list of bogus allegations against Hillary (travel office, Whitewater, etc.), but ultimately exonerated her in this case...because everyone knows it was ALL Obama's fault!

11 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:27:41am

re: #9 SophistFCD

It was shown on Egyptian television.

That begs the question. How did Egyptian TV find out about it?

12 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:28:03am

re: #9 SophistFCD

It was shown on Egyptian television.

I didn't know that.
No wonder...

13 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:28:12am
So right-wing miscreants want Obama to take responsibility for the Benghazi attack.

Anyone ever take responsibility for 9/11?

Didn't think so.

This

14 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:28:33am

re: #6 Gus

So right-wing miscreants want Obama to take responsibility for the Benghazi attack.

Anyone ever take responsibility for 9/11?

Didn't think so.

No, George Tenet's still scrubbing the tire treads off his back for 9/11, along with Iraq. Apparently blaming the CIA for intelligence screw-ups is allowed if its to help a Republican dodge responsibility.

15 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:29:19am

re: #1 Sheila Broflovski

As I understand it. it was being promoted by a "Make Egypt a Coptic State" guy.

16 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:29:52am
Rush spent the first hour of his show today going down the old laundry list of bogus allegations against Hillary (travel office, Whitewater, etc.),

To those who think an HRC presidency would have yielded a better or more cooperative political climate, I draw your attention to this.

And it would have gotten way, way worse than this.

17 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:29:57am

When I heard Hillary was taking responsibility, my first thought was that Romney might blow it at the debate pretty much the way Jennifer Rubin does on Twitter. I can hear Obama, "Are you calling Secretary of State Hillary Clinton a liar?"

18 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:30:02am

I would just note-Observing the date, the severity of the attack and listening to the President of Libya is not absorbing RW prop. I'm on record as skeptical of that video theory from day 1, pre-dating the noise and fury manufactured in the following days. The video is an obvious ad hoc opportunity for the attackers.

19 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:31:53am

re: #16 Bulworth

To those who think an HRC presidency would have yielded a better or more cooperative political climate, I draw your attention to this.

And it would have gotten way, way worse than this.

Yeah it wouldn't have been better. I respect Hillary a lot but if she had been nominated and elected, we'd be hearing a lot of rehashed 1990's crap not just from people like Limbaugh but from the elected officials too. True, there'd be no birthers but there would be plenty of paranoid CTs abound. The next Democratic president is going to have to deal with this too.

20 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:32:16am

re: #18 Daniel Ballard

More:

To those on the ground, circumstances of the attack are hardly a mystery. Most of the attackers made no effort to hide their faces or identities, and during the assault some acknowledged to a Libyan journalist working for The New York Times that they belonged to the group. And their attack drew a crowd, some of whom cheered them on, some of whom just gawked, and some of whom later looted the compound.

The fighters said at the time that they were moved to act because of the video, which had first gained attention across the region after a protest in Egypt that day. The assailants approvingly recalled a 2006 assault by local Islamists that had destroyed an Italian diplomatic mission in Benghazi over a perceived insult to the prophet. In June the group staged a similar attack against the Tunisian Consulate over a different film, according to the Congressional testimony of the American security chief at the time, Eric A. Nordstrom.

At a news conference the day after the ambassador and three other Americans were killed, a spokesman for Ansar al-Shariah praised the attack as the proper response to such an insult to Islam. "We are saluting our people for this zeal in protecting their religion, to grant victory to the Prophet," the spokesman said. "The response has to be firm." Other Benghazi militia leaders who know the group say its leaders and ideology are all homegrown. Those leaders, including Ahmed Abu Khattala and Mohammed Ali Zahawi, fought alongside other commanders against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi. Their group provides social services and guards a hospital. And they openly proselytize for their brand of puritanical Islam and political vision.

They profess no interest in global fights against the West or distant battles aimed at removing American troops from the Arabian Peninsula.

21 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:33:29am

The meme I'm hearing from Lubbock's GOP intellectuals is that Obama skipped State security briefings to play golf, as though he is the only one who could authorize increased security. Evidence for this: The usual source, their asses or the braying asses on AM radio.
The local GOP is at the cutting edge of Republican thought these days, meaning what brain power they have is applied to concocting conspiracy theories, re-writing the Civil War and the Revolution, and attacking science.

22 KiTA  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:33:44am

re: #9 SophistFCD

In addition, if you looked at the Youtube link's account before it was nuked, an Arabic dubbed version of the video was posted about a week before 9/11.

While I have no doubt that the video was created by a bunch of Christian Fundies looking to force us into their holy war, I also have little doubt that the Arabic dubbed version was created by a bunch of Muslim Fundies attempting the same.

Which is why all religion is dumb. God help us when one of these nutters gets their hands on a nuke.

23 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:34:03am

Oh that foreign concept of taking responsibility for what you are in charge of must be really confusing those wingnuts. They expected her to retroactively retire from the position, starting days before the attack happened. After all, that is how they would handle it.

24 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:35:06am
The local GOP is at the cutting edge of Republican thought these days, meaning what brain power they have is applied to concocting conspiracy theories, re-writing the Civil War and the Revolution, and attacking science.

Upding.

25 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:35:13am

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Yeah it wouldn't have been better. I respect Hillary a lot but if she had been nominated and elected, we'd be hearing a lot of rehashed 1990's crap not just from people like Limbaugh but from the elected officials too. True, there'd be no birthers but there would be plenty of paranoid CTs abound. The next Democratic president is going to have to deal with this too.

This is why I don't think she would have been elected.
Because if she were the nominee, it's possible that Palin wouldn't have been VP pick, and people may have voted foe McCain out of Clinton hysteria.

26 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:35:44am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Other Benghazi militia leaders who know the group say its leaders and ideology are all homegrown. Those leaders, including Ahmed Abu Khattala and Mohammed Ali Zahawi, fought alongside other commanders against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi. Their group provides social services and guards a hospital. And they openly proselytize for their brand of puritanical Islam and political vision.

And this is the part that I was worried about-- that they're an anti-Gaddafi group. This is the danger facing Libya, having disposed of the tyrant, they have to deal with all the little despotic militias too, trying to impose their political and religious views on the country.

A lot of the people who fought against Qaddafi didn't do it for freedom.

27 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:37:27am

re: #25 Reverend Mother Ramallo

This is why I don't think she would have been elected.
Because if she were the nominee, it's possible that Palin wouldn't have been VP pick, and people may have voted foe McCain out of Clinton hysteria.

I think she still would have beat McCain but it would have been closer and I agree I think Clinton as the nominee lessens the chance that McCain picks Palin if not dare I say completely eliminates him considering a woman.

28 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:38:36am

re: #22 KiTA

Which is why all religion is dumb. God help us when one of these nutters gets their hands on a nuke.

Hey, wait a minute....

29 The Mongoose  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:40:11am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

I think she still would have beat McCain but it would have been closer and I agree I think Clinton as the nominee lessens the chance that McCain picks Palin if not dare I say completely eliminates him considering a woman.

Yeah, I agree with all of this. McCain was always going to have a tough time winning in the 2008 environment. It was one of the best election cycles the Democrats have ever had. VP pick probably would have been a solid conservative, but not Palin.

30 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:40:36am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

For the record-Politics should must again stop at the shore as they used to say. Using foreign policy for election year purposes hurts the nation much more than it helps the GOP.

On the rest-
I'm open minded and await the results of the investigation. On one hand (so far) we have the Libyan Presidents assertion and on the other we have the article.

31 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:40:46am

re: #28 wrenchwench

Hey, wait a minute....

Thank god I'm an atheist.

32 Bulworth  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:41:14am
@davidaxelrod so is Obama going to hide behind her skirt Tuesday night? Why would the president let Hillary end her career in disgrace?
— Jennifer Rubin (@JRubinBlogger) October 16, 2012

Is Jennifer Rubin applying to be the Ann Coulter/Michelle Malkin Chair of Wingnut Rhetoric?

33 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:42:27am

I imagine tonight will bring up more than one Benghazi question, and how this new wrinkle is handled will be interesting. Will Willard actually try to insinuate that Hillary's just "falling on her sword"?

34 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:42:28am

re: #27 HappyWarrior

re: #29 The Mongoose

Then again, I did forget that he said that the economy was sound...
So maybe.

35 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:42:53am

re: #29 The Mongoose

Yeah, I agree with all of this. McCain was always going to have a tough time winning in the 2008 environment. It was one of the best election cycles the Democrats have ever had. VP pick probably would have been a solid conservative, but not Palin.

Yeah I don't think he goes with the Palin pick but perhaps picks Pawlenty who from what I understand was runner up in the vetting anyhow. It was a bad year for Republicans which is why while I still think Obama will win re-election, the numbers are and were going to be down regardless.

36 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:43:35am
37 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:43:48am

re: #22 KiTA

In addition, if you looked at the Youtube link's account before it was nuked, an Arabic dubbed version of the video was posted about a week before 9/11.

While I have no doubt that the video was created by a bunch of Christian Fundies looking to force us into their holy war, I also have little doubt that the Arabic dubbed version was created by a bunch of Muslim Fundies attempting the same.

Which is why all religion is dumb. God help us when one of these nutters gets their hands on a nuke.

The problem is not religion. The common problem is *assholes*. They will use whatever available means there are to take advantage, stir things up, take offense, be intolerant, and make life difficult for everyone else so that they can indulge themselves in whatever emotional action floats their boat. Which unfortunately often means causing destruction, harm, and red tape.

38 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:43:56am

re: #26 Obdicut

It's a rinse and repeat for other Arab Spring uprisings across North Africa and into the Middle East. You have a wide range of groups opposed to the then-existing autocrats, dictators, and despots, from truly liberal and western leaning to the religious and Islamist. With Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood won the advantage at the moment, and are pushing ahead with an agenda that threatens to reduce civil liberties from what many hoped for there (including religious freedoms and womens' rights). In Libya, we're seeing tribal groups/militias continuing to hold sway in the absence of a strong central government and those militias are more than willing to use force to get their way.

And in many of these countries, it wasn't about freedom; it was about freedom to eliminate that existing despot and the freedom to impose their own vision for their country's future to the exclusion of other views.

It's why some people think that there was something to be gained from maintaining the status quo (allowing autocrats/despots/dictators to retain their power) because it tamped down the potential for chaos and disorder. But the region will get through this too. The region hasn't known a period where there wasn't chaos or disorder or conflict or violence.

39 The Mongoose  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:45:46am

re: #36 Gus

Normally I'd say this should be no one's business but the shareholders...but when you go begging for taxpayer handouts to save yourself, it's a different ballgame.

40 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:46:52am

re: #34 Reverend Mother Ramallo

re: #29 The Mongoose

Then again, I did forget that he said that the economy was sound...
So maybe.

Really think about it, it was a terrible year to be a Republican candidate for anything. I think the Republicans only gained one seat in the House of Reps that year and that's because it was William Jefferson's seat and that guy was crooked as hell.

41 EmmaAnne  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:46:54am

Sorry; this is off-topic, but can someone tell me how to embed images in a page? I made a page here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

but it just has links, not inline images.

42 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:47:14am

re: #30 Daniel Ballard

The people who actually carried out the attack made it very clear that they were responding to the video, and held a press conference to say so. I'm at a loss why this isn't sufficient evidence for you.

43 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:47:47am

re: #36 Gus

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Must be fucking nice. But hey anyone who questions this just has "Class envy." Sigh I hate crap like that.

44 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:50:00am

re: #41 EmmaAnne

Sorry; this is off-topic, but can someone tell me how to embed images in a page? I made a page here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

but it just has links, not inline images.

Download the images to your hard drive, then use the "Upload Image" button on the Page form. Click the pencil icon to edit your current Page.

Congratulations, Page hatchling!

45 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:54:50am

re: #18 Daniel Ballard

I would just note-Observing the date, the severity of the attack and listening to the President of Libya is not absorbing RW prop. I'm on record as skeptical of that video theory from day 1, pre-dating the noise and fury manufactured in the following days. The video is an obvious ad hoc opportunity for the attackers.

Of course. The attackers themselves said they were motivated by the drone attacks on Al Qaeda leaders in Yemen. There's also a strong possibility that the timing of the attack was because the ambassador's visit presented a high value target of opportunity. We'll have to wait for more information but it's likely the movie had very little to do with the attack or the timing.

46 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:56:01am

re: #42 Charles Johnson

Two things-I find the video a terribly convenient ad hoc excuse for the militants who may fear a far greater response if they openly affiliate with AQ and say it's about Osama Bin laden or American policy. They themselves have agendas and PR for their own audiences. I just suspect they may have been awaiting a good date. 9/11 was it. They got another excuse too. The video. Secondly awaiting the investigation results makes logical sense to me.

All I can do is await better information and utterly ignore RW sources.

And Clinton herself has talked about an AQ connection.

Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton on Wednesday suggested there was a link between the Qaeda franchise in North Africa and the attack at the American diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, that killed the American ambassador and three others.

47 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:56:19am

re: #41 EmmaAnne

Sorry; this is off-topic, but can someone tell me how to embed images in a page? I made a page here:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

but it just has links, not inline images.

After you upload an image in the LGF Pages posting window, you should see a dialog box that lets you insert the image code into your Page. You can also use the popup version of the Image Library, and click the "Insert" button for the image you want to use.

48 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:56:25am

re: #38 lawhawk

It's messy and bloody and often awful, but progress can occur in a chaotic squabble. Progress can never occur with a dictator in charge. Nothing lasting can ever be achieved.

From what I've read of the Ambassador, he believed in the Libyan people, and he took many risks in order to promote their cause. This wasn't the first time he was in danger. He was in the country during the revolution.

During the early days of the Libyans' fight to overthrow Moammar Gadhafi, Christopher Stevens wrangled a ride on a Greek cargo ship and sailed into the rebels' stronghold city of Benghazi. He arrived at a time when the crackle of gunfire could be heard each night.

Stevens and his team didn't even have a place to stay, but found space in a hotel briefly, moving out after a car bomb went off in the parking lot, according to his own account in State Magazine last year.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

49 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:58:20am

re: #46 Daniel Ballard

But it's not an excuse at all. To Islamists, insults to their religion are deadly serious, and we've seen this over and over throughout history. Far from being an excuse, this is their main motivating factor.

50 Big Steve  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:58:52am
51 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 10:59:31am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Of course. The attackers themselves said they were motivated by the drone attacks on Al Qaeda leaders in Yemen. There's also a strong possibility that the timing of the attack was because the ambassador's visit presented a high value target of opportunity. We'll have to wait for more information but it's likely the movie had very little to do with the attack or the timing.

You're making the easy mistake of thinking that one excludes the other. You've done this before: With Komen, you thought the fact that they'd started moving against Planned Parenthood funding before Handel was hired meant that Handel had nothing to do with defunding Planned Parenthood. You didn't consider that she was hired specifically because of that existing agenda.

Here, you're ignoring that these assholes do, indeed, look to 'avenge' insults to Islam, and that the video is actually what they acted on-- even if the Ambassador was a target of opportunity.

Do you think these guys aren't really true believers or something?

52 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:00:16am

re: #40 HappyWarrior

Really think about it, it was a terrible year to be a Republican candidate for anything. I think the Republicans only gained one seat in the House of Reps that year and that's because it was William Jefferson's seat and that guy was crooked as hell.

I'm thinking about it, but I also remember how rabid the righties were about the Clintons. I just felt, at the time, like they were licking their chops to go after Hillary.
I'm still going back and forth...

53 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:01:03am

It is a truism that today's Republicans make Tricky Dick Nixon look statesmanlike and progressive by comparison. Now, though, they've graduated to making him look honest as well.

54 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:02:15am

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Of course. The attackers themselves said they were motivated by the drone attacks on Al Qaeda leaders in Yemen.

I'll repeat this quote from the NYT article:

At a news conference the day after the ambassador and three other Americans were killed, a spokesman for Ansar al-Shariah praised the attack as the proper response to such an insult to Islam. "We are saluting our people for this zeal in protecting their religion, to grant victory to the Prophet," the spokesman said. "The response has to be firm."

The attackers said they were motivated by the video, the day after the attack.

55 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:05:24am

re: #54 Charles Johnson

I'll repeat this quote from the NYT article:

The attackers said they were motivated by the video, the day after the attack.

My original question is how did they find out about the video in the first place? How did they become aware of its existence? Someone said it was broadcast by Egyptian TV, well, how did Egyptian TV find it?

Did the producer of the video himself actually send it out to selected Islamist extremists who would then spread it far and wide?

56 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:06:41am

re: #55 Sheila Broflovski

Did the producer of the video himself actually send it out to selected Islamist extremists who would then spread it far and wide?

Unpossible!! He was banned from using the internets!!

57 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:07:04am

Saying the attack had nothing to do with the video is just stupid. After all the violent incidents throughout history triggered by Islamists feeling their religion was disrespected, suddenly they don't care about a virulently anti-Islam video that was shown on Egyptian TV? They're just using it as an excuse?

Get real.

58 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:08:21am

re: #55 Sheila Broflovski

My original question is how did they find out about the video in the first place? How did they become aware of its existence? Someone said it was broadcast by Egyptian TV, well, how did Egyptian TV find it?

Did the producer of the video himself actually send it out to selected Islamist extremists who would then spread it far and wide?

Yes, he did circulate the video to the Middle East.

59 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:09:18am

re: #58 Charles Johnson

Yes, he did circulate the video to the Middle East.

And blamed it on teh Juice.

60 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:09:42am

The Libyans and the Egyptians were mad because Obama keeps talking about killing bin Laden. Spiking the old football.

61 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:10:42am

re: #52 Reverend Mother Ramallo

I'm thinking about it, but I also remember how rabid the righties were about the Clintons. I just felt, at the time, like they were licking their chops to go after Hillary.
I'm still going back and forth...

They probably also thought they'd beat some freshman liberal senator from Illinois too. Just saying. What their desires are don't always coincide with reality. I don't think Hillary Clinton would have won in the manner that Obama ended up doing but I do think she would have won.

62 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:10:44am

re: #59 Sheila Broflovski

And blamed it on teh Juice.

But they care about Jews!

//

63 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:12:40am

A word to lurking Republicans:

I have explained why I left the Republican Party after 40 years.
The "big tent" does not have to be a zoo or a halfway house for the criminally insane. Get rid of the crazies and I will consider a return. I'm not optimistic about this happening. Prove me wrong.

64 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:12:50am

re: #62 Gus

Indeed. . .//

65 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:12:56am

re: #57 Charles Johnson

I should have said reason, not excuse. These reasons are not exclusive of one another. They just add up. You have militants ready to attack at their convenience. How sure should i be it would not have happened if not for the video? Taking the militants word at face value may or may not prove correct. Why am I to think they were unaware of the anniversary date?

I agree it's stupid to exploit this in the campaign. Waiting for the investigation-not so much.

66 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:14:13am

re: #62 Gus

I admit, it still pisses me off when I see yet another story about Jews and conspiracy and how evil we Jews are, it always makes my heart hurt a bit for my kids and future grandkids. . .

67 Sionainn  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:16:20am

Maybe someone can answer this question...what does it matter what the reason was for the attack in Benghazi?

68 Kragar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:17:34am

Why can't people just do what they're asked?

"I need just a list of the IPs you need scanned."

3 days later...

"OK, here is a list of the server names, designations, port information, ips and other information all in a locked PDF."

"Thanks, now you get to wait on the phone 30 minutes while I spend the time unfucking this list to just get the damn IPs I asked for in the first place."

"Ugggh, how long is this going to take?"

Fucking customers.

69 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:17:40am

re: #67 Sionainn

Maybe someone can answer this question...what does it matter what the reason was for the attack in Benghazi?

Because we are watching Obama's foreign policy unravel before our eyes. --Paul Ryan.

70 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:17:41am

re: #65 Daniel Ballard

I should have said reason, not excuse. These reasons are not exclusive of one another. They just add up. You have militants ready to attack at their convenience. How sure should i be it would not have happened if not for the video? Taking the militants word at face value may or may not prove correct. Why am I to think they were unaware of the anniversary date?

I agree it's stupid to exploit this in the campaign. Waiting for the investigation-not so much.

Also I think it's well accepted that this was a well planned and organized attack. Not a spontaneous reaction to the movie. Planning for the attack, especially if the Ambassador was an intentional target, probably predates the uproar about the movie.

71 dragonath  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:19:33am

Clinton might have pulled off West Virginia, and I dunno, Arkansas? The Democrats probably wouldn't have won Virginia and North Carolina without Obama.

72 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:19:35am

re: #67 Sionainn

Maybe someone can answer this question...what does it matter what the reason was for the attack in Benghazi?

By claiming it was a planned, coordinated attack, they open up the question "Why didn't we see this coming?" Ignoring the numerous attacks on other embassies and diplomatic staff, as well as past terrorist attacks, we're supposed to work under the assumption that a successful terrorist attack is due to failure at some level of government which must be accounted for.

73 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:20:06am

re: #67 Sionainn

Maybe someone can answer this question...what does it matter what the reason was for the attack in Benghazi?

Because if it was a spontaneous attack in response to a privately made movie, it wasn't anything the administration could have prepared for.

If it was an attack as a regular part of Libyan politics, it should have been prepared for.

74 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:20:06am

Oops -- Messed this Tweet up. Deleted.

75 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:20:30am
76 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:20:41am

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Also I think it's well accepted that this was a well planned and organized attack. Not a spontaneous reaction to the movie. Planning for the attack, especially if the Ambassador was an intentional target, probably predates the uproar about the movie.

How many protests were there around the world over this movie?

77 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:20:44am

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Also I think it's well accepted that this was a well planned and organized attack. Not a spontaneous reaction to the movie. Planning for the attack, especially if the Ambassador was an intentional target, probably predates the uproar about the movie.

False.

Again, I'll repeat what the NYT article says:

To Libyans who witnessed the assault and know the attackers, there is little doubt what occurred: a well-known group of local Islamist militants struck without any warning or protest, and they did it in retaliation for the video. That is what the fighters said at the time, speaking emotionally of their anger at the video without mentioning Al Qaeda, Osama bin Laden or the terrorist strikes of 11 years earlier. And it is an explanation that tracks with their history as a local militant group determined to protect Libya from Western influence.

It is not "well-accepted" that it was pre-planned at all. You're just making this up.

78 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:21:43am

re: #67 Sionainn

Maybe someone can answer this question...what does it matter what the reason was for the attack in Benghazi?

Here's a good article on that: Politicizing Benghazi

79 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:21:48am

re: #74 Gus

Oops -- Messed this Tweet up. Deleted.

...

80 sagehen  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:21:48am

re: #67 Sionainn

Maybe someone can answer this question...what does it matter what the reason was for the attack in Benghazi?

Because if it was predictable, then somebody should have done something to be prepared for it.

81 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:24:11am

re: #70 Killgore Trout

82 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:26:55am
83 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:28:22am

By the way, what Hillary Clinton did today took guts, and is how grown-ups act. The GOP is absolutely disgusting on this issue.

84 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:29:28am

I'm not sure where the idea that this took a shit-ton of planning came from. Basically, a bunch of people assaulted two places that were known to be where the American diplomatic corp worked out of.

At first, we thought it was just a mob, but then it became clear that they were experienced attackers. That doesn't mean that they didn't quickly decide to do this. It wasn't D-Day. They came with a lot of guys and a lot of weapons and launched a vicious assault.

85 Sionainn  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:29:35am

re: #78 Killgore Trout

Here's a good article on that: Politicizing Benghazi

Thanks. That explained a lot.

86 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:30:15am

re: #84 Obdicut

I'm not sure where the idea that this took a shit-ton of planning came from.

It's right wing propaganda.

87 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:30:33am

OK it was the video. But there would have been some other convenient thing, if the video did not exist.

88 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:30:51am

Why didn't Reagan strengthen security at the Beirut Marine barracks?

Was he asleep? Playing golf? Trying to appease Islamist maniacs?

None of the above. The real reason is that he was not an expert in this field and he had necessarily delegated the decisions to people who were experts. They failed, he didn't. Republicans are right to defend him on this, but they are blind when the same logic might apply to "the other" who is in charge now.

89 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:34:31am

re: #86 Charles Johnson

It's right wing propaganda.

I don't think the Libyan government qualifies as wingnuts

US consulate attack was planned: Libya assembly head

“I don’t want to talk about what happened in other countries but as for Libya, the operation was meticulously executed,” Mohammed al-Megaryef said of the wave of protests across the world over a US-produced film mocking the Holy Prophet (PBUH).

“There was planning. It was not a peaceful protest which degenerated into an armed attack or aggression. That’s how it was planned,” he said.

US ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans were killed on Tuesday when suspected militants fired on the consulate in the eastern Libyan city with rocket-propelled grenades and set it ablaze.

“The attack itself and the manner in which the attack occurred …confirms that this was planned and programmed to achieve a purpose,” Megaryef said.

The attack “was prepared, especially since it coincided with the date of September 11,” he said in reference to the Sept 11, 2011 attacks in the United States claimed by al Qaeda

90 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:34:50am

I see that right wingers have been editing the Wikipedia entry about the Libyan attack, putting in false claims not supported by their sources.

91 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:35:37am

The Republican Party and the Romney camp is highly politicizing the Benghazi attack.

Full. Stop.

92 Kragar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:36:31am

Hundreds affected after thieves switch painkiller medicine with water

Hundreds of Australians were given water instead of pain-killing medication after thieves siphoned off the drugs from ambulance supplies and refilled the empty vials from the tap, officials said Tuesday.

Authorities in the state of Victoria said large amounts of the drug fentanyl had been taken and an investigation was under way.

“We can confirm that Victoria Police are investigating allegations of theft from a number of Ambulance Victoria response stations,” a police spokesman said, adding that two men had been questioned over the theft.

93 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:37:17am

If you did the same to them during the Bush years the response would have been deafening.

Traitors!
Terrorist symps!
Unamerican!
Treason!
Unpatriotic!
You're either with us, or you're with the terrorists!

94 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:37:21am

re: #89 Killgore Trout

That's one person's opinion, stated without any evidence whatsoever. And please note that he does NOT say the attack had "nothing to do with the video."

95 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:37:40am

They would shut you down. Boom. Just like that.

96 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:37:54am
97 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:38:27am

re: #89 Killgore Trout

I don't think the Libyan government qualifies as wingnuts

US consulate attack was planned: Libya assembly head

Right, a few took advantage of the situation. They knew a protest would be happening there (as there were many around the world for the reason of the movie). These few individuals decided to use this protest as cover for their plans. Muslims around the world were protesting the movie, these few individuals just took advantage of the situation to push their more violent attack. How many people total died worldwide from these protests/protesters?

98 Kragar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:40:57am

re: #95 Gus

They would shut you down. Boom. Just like that.

Why do you hate America?

99 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:41:37am

re: #97 Eventual Carrion

Right, a few took advantage of the situation. They knew a protest would be happening there (as there were many around the world for the reason of the movie). These few individuals decided to use this protest as cover for their plans. Muslims around the world were protesting the movie, these few individuals just took advantage of the situation to push their more violent attack. How many people total died worldwide from these protests/protesters?

50

100 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:41:57am

re: #97 Eventual Carrion

Right, a few took advantage of the situation. They knew a protest would be happening there (as there were many around the world for the reason of the movie). These few individuals decided to use this protest as cover for their plans. Muslims around the world were protesting the movie, these few individuals just took advantage of the situation to push their more violent attack. How many people total died worldwide from these protests/protesters?

I can't agree with this. I think it's very clear from the New York Times report that the video was not just "cover" for the attack, but was a very real motivation for it. Did they take advantage of the demonstration? Probably -- but it's not correct to infer that they weren't genuinely enraged by that video. These are fanatics. They do get very upset by things like this.

101 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:42:35am

re: #97 Eventual Carrion

How many people total died worldwide from these protests/protesters?

Play "Imagine" and reduce the total ... (not)

102 Ming  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:43:40am

It's hardly a stretch to say that the anti-Islam video played a role (some partial role) in encouraging the violence.

103 freetoken  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:44:38am

re: #97 Eventual Carrion

At the time I wrote that my impression was that these sort of things had to be organized, by local "leaders" (more accurately thugs) who want to put themselves at the top of the local power heap.

That article simply says this:

“There was planning. It was not a peaceful protest which degenerated into an armed attack or aggression. That’s how it was planned,” he said.

I don't think any of us here are really arguing against that idea, but the issue has become, because the RW mouthpieces are promoting it, what "planned" really means.

The idea that there is some master-terrorist planning all of this with the passive acceptance (if not down right approval) of Obama is the RW meme. That is not what the spokesman in that article you linked is saying about what is meant as "planned".

104 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:46:09am

Ah, I do love my sister. We just had another power surge that may mean we're gonna have to spend money not only for a new oven, but also on an electrician to figure out what the fuck is going on, which will mean sacrificing our paychecks because our folks have virtually no money to spend and still make the mortgage payment, and she can only whine about how she's hungry.

105 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:47:01am

re: #89 Killgore Trout

I don't think the Libyan government qualifies as wingnuts

US consulate attack was planned: Libya assembly head

Did you actually read that article? What they said is that this wasn't a peaceful protest that turned violent. That's true: These guys came to kill.

How do you think that article supports your position?

106 Kragar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:47:03am

Harvey: Halloween's 'Demonic' Underpinnings Explain Why it's a 'Huge Celebration in the LGBT World'

Mission America’s Linda Harvey is warning listeners against participating in Halloween festivities, and naturally uses Halloween to criticize the LGBT community. She explains that Halloween’s purportedly Satanic origins explain why it is a “huge celebration in the LGBT world, especially for the gender-confused folks.” Harvey explains that Halloween is an “extremely useful tool” for “Satan and his minions,” and its popularity is a sign of “spiritual deception on a grand scale.” She said that participating in Halloween festivities is “enter[ing] Satan’s territory” and “real contact with real demons is quite possible.” Last year, Harvey said celebrating Halloween represents unfaithfulness to Jesus.

Whackjob.

107 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:47:10am

re: #99 Gus

50

Notice that the Wikipedia entry says:

According to U.S. and Libyan officials, an armed attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, on September 11, 2012 that resulted in the death of U.S. Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens and three other Americans, may have been a pre-planned attack unrelated to the videos.

But the two articles they link to support this statement do NOT say anything like this. They contain statements from officials saying there may have been some level of planning, but neither article says a single word about "unrelated to the video."

Whoever edited that line clearly had an agenda.

108 EmmaAnne  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:48:26am

re: #47 Charles Johnson

Thanks Charles and Wrenchwench. I have inline figures now. Much prettier.

I had to re-upload them to get them to work, though. How does one access the Image Library? If there is a post or tutorial somewhere, I will read up on it, but I haven't found it.

109 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:48:55am

re: #97 Eventual Carrion

Right, a few took advantage of the situation. They knew a protest would be happening there (as there were many around the world for the reason of the movie).

It seems there might not have even been a protest to take advantage of.
Video From Benghazi Consulate Shows Organized Attack

In addition to the footage from the consulate cameras, the U.S. government is also poring over video taken from an overhead U.S. surveillance drone that arrived for the final hour of the night battle at the consulate compound and nearby annex.

Video from the compound’s cameras debunk the initial line from the Obama administration that there was a protest in front of the consulate on the night of the attacks, according to one of the U.S. intelligence officials who has seen the footage, and a senior Obama administration official familiar with what they show.

The attackers may have posed as protesters to buy themselves a bit of time during the attack but there may not have been an actual protest occurring at the time.

110 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:49:07am

re: #108 EmmaAnne

Thanks Charles and Wrenchwench. I have inline figures now. Much prettier.

I had to re-upload them to get them to work, though. How does one access the Image Library? If there is a post or tutorial somewhere, I will read up on it, but I haven't found it.

Top right of the page. Click menu. :)

111 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:49:37am

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Are you just confused, and you think that what people are arguing about is whether this was a peaceful protest that turned violent? Because that's not what people are arguing about.

112 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:51:11am

re: #109 Killgore Trout

I see you've ignored everything that Charles and others have posted in response to your posts.
Why is that?

113 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:51:45am

re: #104 Targetpractice

Ah, I do love my sister. We just had another power surge that may mean we're gonna have to spend money not only for a new oven, but also on an electrician to figure out what the fuck is going on, which will mean sacrificing our paychecks because our folks have virtually no money to spend and still make the mortgage payment, and she can only whine about how she's hungry.

Somebody has to focus on the short term!

/

114 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:52:49am

re: #108 EmmaAnne

Thanks Charles and Wrenchwench. I have inline figures now. Much prettier.

I had to re-upload them to get them to work, though. How does one access the Image Library? If there is a post or tutorial somewhere, I will read up on it, but I haven't found it.

Ah, you reminded me -- I need to put an 'Image Library' button in the Pages editing dialog too. It's in the original posting window, but not the editing dialog.

115 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:53:12am

re: #113 wrenchwench

Somebody has to focus on the short term!

/

Indeed. So, you'll be getting us pizza then?

116 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:54:09am

re: #113 wrenchwench

Somebody has to focus on the short term!

/

No shit. She was preheating the oven to cook a late lunch when the surge happened.

So she asks if it's alright to use the microwave. I tell her no, we have no clue what's wrong, and last thing we need is to replace a microwave as well.

Then she comes and asks if I want to join her for pizza, as she's ordering out. I tell her we can't be spending money when we'll likely need it to either help buy a new oven, pay the electrician, or pay for groceries til next month.

So now she's pissed at me because she had to settle for a sandwich to tide her over.

117 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:54:42am

re: #109 Killgore Trout

It seems there might not have even been a protest to take advantage of.
Video From Benghazi Consulate Shows Organized Attack

The attackers may have posed as protesters to buy themselves a bit of time during the attack but there may not have been an actual protest occurring at the time.

So the drone showed up for the last hour of the attack, and the conclusion you and the author of that piece draw is that there was no protest going on, because protestors weren't there well after the attack had already started?

Funny how you are always against speculation without facts.....until it fits your narrative.

118 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:54:55am

re: #99 Gus

50

Yep, that was the number I had found elsewhere other than your link. And many of them happen to be protesters that were killed by police and others. So 50 deaths (and many injuries) caused by MANY protests around the world because of this film, but the one in Benghazi was purely because of them wanting to attack and the admin should have know that despite all the other protests. Doesn't hold water for me, but I sure it does for Issa so let the tribunal begin.

119 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:55:24am

re: #116 Targetpractice

Tell her if she can make it to the upper east side of Manhattan, she can have some eggplant-and-tomato sauce on linguine. Dinner's in three hours. Bring her own fork.

120 The Mongoose  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:55:54am

re: #105 Obdicut

Did you actually read that article? What they said is that this wasn't a peaceful protest that turned violent. That's true: These guys came to kill.

How do you think that article supports your position?

I'm not even sure people know what the positions are any more. The gist of the Republican complaint seems to be that the administration claimed that this was a protest gone wrong. The GOP claims that it was in fact a planned, organized attack, and the White House tried to cover it up so they wouldn't look foolish.

5 days after the attack, the administration (in the person of Susan Rice) was claiming that "what this began as was a spontaneous, not a premeditated response to what happened in Cairo." Many people continue to hold this view. Critics claim there was never any demonstration of any significance.

Does this sum it up? I'm still trying to sort it out.

121 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:56:26am

re: #117 JamesWI

So the drone showed up for the last hour of the attack, and the conclusion you and the author of that piece draw is that there was no protest going on, because protestors weren't there well after the attack had already started?

Funny how you are always against speculation without facts.....until it fits your narrative.

The consulate had CCTV cameras which filmed most of the attack.

122 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:56:52am

re: #119 Obdicut

Tell her if she can make it to the upper east side of Manhattan, she can have some eggplant-and-tomato sauce on linguine. Dinner's in three hours. Bring her own fork.

She can't drive and I'm not about to. A turkey sandwich never killed anybody.

123 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:57:04am

re: #120 The Mongoose

5 days after the attack, the administration (in the person of Susan Rice) was still claiming this was a demonstration that got ugly.

Can you please cite this?

124 Kragar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:57:09am

Dinesh D'Souza in Hot Water with Religious Right over Sex Scandal

Sarah Posner brings to us an emerging controversy surrounding Dinesh D’Souza, the conservative pseudo-intellectual who has been on the Religious Right media circuit pushing his anti-Obama “documentary,” as he is apparently seeing another woman who is not his wife. The evangelical WORLD Magazine reports that D’Souza has been introducing his fellow right-wing activists “a young woman, Denise Odie Joseph II” as his fiancée, even sharing a room with her, while at a conference with Alex McFarland, who interviewed D’Souza when he guest hosted The Janet Mefferd Show. He told WORLD editor Warren Cole Smith that he had filed for divorce from his wife, Dixie, but according to court records he only filed the day Smith spoke to him and “under California law, that starts the clock on a six-month waiting period for divorce.”

D’Souza styles himself as a fierce defender of marriage against gays and lesbians and it appears that Odie Joseph II, seen here with D’Souza’s new book, also has strong views on marriage, cohabitation and divorce. In a post on a conservative blog, she rails against feminists and “RINO men” for ruining marriage and traditional morality. “Feminists/liberals who intended to destroy and transform that sacred cornerstone of American society—the traditional family” she explains, adding that today’s state of the family proves that “the 19th Amendment was never the best idea ever.” She blames feminist academics for increases in adultery, failed marriages and cohabitation, and even goes on to say that America’s children “are going the way of black ghetto society” thanks to feminists and Ke$ha.

125 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:57:21am

re: #122 Targetpractice

She can't drive and I'm not about to. A turkey sandwich never killed anybody.

What an amusing assumption. ;)

126 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:58:18am
The videos were filmed from multiple closed-circuit cameras throughout the compound, and are at times grainy and hard to decipher. There are also some gaps
127 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:58:18am

re: #121 Killgore Trout

Are you going to respond to any of the posts directed at you?

128 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:58:37am

Come on. You know why they attacked the Libyan consulate. It's because they hate are freedoms and way of life.

That and it's the CIA's fault.

//Bushisms

129 Kragar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:58:51am

re: #122 Targetpractice

She can't drive and I'm not about to. A turkey sandwich never killed anybody.

Well, Mama Cass...

Never mind, that was ham.

130 The Mongoose  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 11:59:16am

re: #123 Obdicut

Can you please cite this?

I was going off this: [Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

The UK Guardian wrote this: "Five days after the attack, the administration sent the US ambassador to the United Nations, Susan Rice, on to television talk shows to say that the assault was part of a broader backlash across the Middle East against an anti-Muslim video. The administration later backtracked, describing the attack as a preplanned terrorist assault that went on for several hours."

And the Atlantic has this: [Link: www.theatlanticwire.com...]

131 efuseakay  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:00:40pm

Islamists attack us on 9/11 under Republican watch - they are to blame

Islamists attack a US consulate as a response to an inflammatory video while there's a Democrat President - IMPEACH HIM!!!!!!99TY

132 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:00:44pm

re: #123 Obdicut

Can you please cite this?

Can't we just look at what she said for ourselves?

133 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:01:34pm

re: #131 efuseakay

Islamists attack us on 9/11 under Republican watch - they are to blame

Islamists attack a US consulate as a response to an inflammatory video while there's a Democrat President - IMPEACH HIM!!!!!!99TY

They hate are freedums.

//

134 mr.fusion  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:02:35pm

Link

Just before the attacks on New York and Washington, Bush's job approval was at 51%, the lowest of his tenure. Then it rose to 90% Sept. 21, a record for presidents in the Gallup Poll. It stayed above 80% until March 4 and above 70% until July 22.

I just want everyone to remember that following 9/11 the country rallied around George W. Bush. There were an awful lot of America-hating (///) lefties that helped drive up that approval rating to 90% in the aftermath of the terrorist attacks. Quite a stark difference in what we've seen from the right following Benghazi, the underwear bomber, or Ft. Hood, wouldn't you say?

135 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:02:37pm

From the daily beast article....

The video footage also supports the accounts of four diplomatic-security officers who were at the Benghazi compound and who initially responded to the attack. On Sept. 17, these officers told State Department investigators in formal briefings that there was no spontaneous protest the night of the attack, U.S. officials tell The Daily Beast. This information was what led the State Department to conclude there was no protest at the consulate on the day of the attacks, according to these officials.

136 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:03:07pm

My head is spinning.

137 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:03:24pm

re: #130 The Mongoose

You probably want to restate what you said, then. You claimed that Rice had said it was a protest gone bad, which is not what she said.

138 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:03:28pm

re: #131 efuseakay

Islamists attack us on 9/11 under Republican watch - they are to blame

Islamists attack a US consulate as a response to an inflammatory video while there's a Democrat President - IMPEACH HIM!!!!!!99TY

If we'd had a strong leader in charge, we'd have had troops, tanks, and attack helicopters following the ambassador's every move! We'd have made swept Al-Q out of Libya and turned it into another beacon freedom and liberty, like Iraq!

139 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:03:38pm

When the investigation is complete, the Obama administration is going to be completely exonerated of these idiotic "cover-up" claims. This is yet another fake right wing outrage, using the deaths of Americans overseas to attack a Democratic president.

140 Kragar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:04:10pm

re: #136 Gus

[Embedded content]

My head is spinning.

In this case, the "other woman" is the wife.
/

141 efuseakay  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:04:13pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

It seems there might not have even been a protest to take advantage of.
Video From Benghazi Consulate Shows Organized Attack

The attackers may have posed as protesters to buy themselves a bit of time during the attack but there may not have been an actual protest occurring at the time.

So the attackers posed as protesters. Gee. Maybe that's why the Administration thought this was a protest.......

142 EmmaAnne  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:04:27pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

Ah, you reminded me -- I need to put an 'Image Library' button in the Pages editing dialog too. It's in the original posting window, but not the editing dialog.

Yay! My flailing around has been of use.

143 sagehen  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:04:42pm

here's my take on the various reports...

A local militia that just recently was part of a successful revolution, still well-armed, practiced fighters, and the most important thing they've ever done in their lives is over. They don't want to think the most significant thing about them is over, they're not ready to just go live quiet lives.

Then a video comes across the internet that inspires protests in dozens of countries. Dozens!! Why aren't we in on that?? And a whole big thing just hours ago in Egypt, right next door!! We're sure the hell not going to be shown up by a bunch of fucking Egyptians.

Grab your weapons, boys, we have a consulate to assault.

144 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:04:56pm

re: #139 Charles Johnson

When the investigation is complete, the Obama administration is going to be completely exonerated of these idiotic "cover-up" claims. This is yet another fake right wing outrage, using the deaths of Americans overseas to attack a Democratic president.

I was compelled to compare it to "Fast and Furious" a couple of days ago.

145 efuseakay  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:06:14pm

re: #135 Killgore Trout

From the daily beast article....

What "US officials"? And why would any legitimate "US Official" be talking to The Daily Beast?

146 Kragar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:06:33pm

Porn star caught in Spanish raid on Chinese mob

Spanish police arrested 60 people in raids on Chinese mobsters and accomplices, including a Spanish porn star, suspected of laundering money from prostitution and extortion, authorities said Tuesday.

Hundreds of officers were carrying out raids in Madrid and Barcelona with warrants to arrest 108 people and search 120 properties on money-laundering and tax-dodging charges, an official in the National Court told reporters.

“The national police is carrying out a major operation against money-laundering and other crimes linked to criminal networks of Chinese origin in various provinces of Spain,” the government said in a separate statement.
...
Among those arrested was Nacho Vidal, an international porn star credited in titles such as “Sexcapades” and “The Sexual Messiah 2″.

He ran a company that was suspected of taking part in the money-laundering, said the court official, who asked not to be named.

The Internet Movie Database describes him as “one of the most popular and hard-working men on the hardcore scene”.

The court official named another of those arrested as Jose Borras, a local councillor in Fuenlabrada, southern Madrid. The district is home to the Cobo Calleja trading estate, considered the biggest Chinese wholesale hub in Europe.

Apart from those two Spaniards and a handful of others, most of those arrested were Chinese, the court said.

147 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:06:51pm

re: #127 Varek Raith

Are you going to respond to any of the posts directed at you?

Short answer - no.

148 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:07:13pm

re: #144 wrenchwench

I was compelled to compare it to "Fast and Furious" a couple of days ago.

With the asshole Issa leading the charge on each one. That dude is such a ghoul.

149 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:07:17pm

Heh. Eli Lake.

150 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:07:51pm

re: #141 efuseakay

So the attackers posed as protesters. Gee. Maybe that's why the Administration thought this was a protest.......

Maybe. They were probably also just being cautious until more information became clear.

151 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:08:03pm
152 freetoken  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:08:09pm

re: #146 Kragar

Among those arrested was Nacho Vidal, an international porn star credited in titles such as “Sexcapades” and “The Sexual Messiah 2″.

You just did this to make me use Google, didn't you?

153 efuseakay  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:08:25pm

re: #138 Targetpractice

We'd be greeted as liberators!

(Never mind the fact that Libya actually has WMD, unlike Iraq.)

154 The Mongoose  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:08:28pm

re: #137 Obdicut

You probably want to restate what you said, then. You claimed that Rice had said it was a protest gone bad, which is not what she said.

I meant that the Administration's critics were saying that. I was just trying to figure out the terms of the debate, since it seems to have become awfully confused. Either way I'm not interested in parsing Ms. Rice's every word. She said it was "spontaneous" and has now said that this was the result of bad intelligence (according to the Atlantic).

The debate appears to be around whether this sort of thing was a legitimate error in the face of a confused situation, or an attempt at concealing something.

155 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:09:03pm

re: #136 Gus

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My head is spinning.

Another moral values hypocrite. Imagine my shock.// Maybe if they focused on their own morality instead of other people's.

156 Kragar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:09:33pm

re: #152 freetoken

You just did this to make me use Google, didn't you?

The naming of porno movies is a wonderful and intricate art form.

157 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:09:42pm

re: #154 The Mongoose

I meant that the Administration's critics were saying that.

So when you said "5 days after the attack, the administration (in the person of Susan Rice) was still claiming this was a demonstration that got ugly.", you meant to say "Or so say the critics of the administration"?

You can probably still edit your post.

158 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:09:59pm

re: #146 Kragar

Porn star caught in Spanish raid on Chinese mob

Now THAT'S a headline.

159 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:10:00pm

I hope Romney tries this again tonight.

160 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:10:49pm

re: #146 Kragar

Porn star caught in Spanish raid on Chinese mob

Now that's what I call diverse.

161 The Mongoose  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:11:38pm

re: #157 Obdicut

So when you said "5 days after the attack, the administration (in the person of Susan Rice) was still claiming this was a demonstration that got ugly.", you meant to say "Or so say the critics of the administration"?

You can probably still edit your post.

I'll edit it to read "What this began as was a spontaneous, not a premeditated response to what happened in Cairo," which is what she said.

162 dragonath  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:11:53pm

re: #146 Kragar

Porn star caught in Spanish raid on Chinese mob

One of the "hardest working", eh?

163 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:12:09pm

Whether the attack was "planned" seems to have become a major issue. Yes, it was planned in the sense that the Islamist militia did not arrive simultaneously with their weapons by accident.
The planning could have consisted of some hurried phone calls and basic instructions to various militia cells once the terrorist leaders realized the opportunity.
How far in advance, how elaborately, and how much and how soon State could have known about it are all open to speculation. That speculation is being selectively presented as fact and the truth is lost in the haze.

164 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:12:57pm

re: #1 Sheila Broflovski

How did the Islamists even find out about the video when nobody else ever heard about it?

Did the insane criminal producer of the video actually send the link to selected Islamist extremists just in order to stir things up and blame it all on teh Juice?

I would not be even slightly surprised.

165 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:13:00pm

Afternoon lizards!

Just stopping by for a few minutes. How is everything?

BTW...an Obama victory is in the bag, he's got the most important of all celebrity endorsements...

Honey Boo Boo backs Obama

166 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:13:31pm
167 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:13:38pm

re: #165 NJDhockeyfan

Afternoon lizards!

Just stopping by for a few minutes. How is everything?

BTW...an Obama victory is in the bag, he's got the most important of all celebrity endorsements...

Honey Boo Boo backs Obama

We're doomed.

168 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:13:52pm

Jon A. Husted
Ohio Secretary of State

169 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:14:07pm

re: #165 NJDhockeyfan

Afternoon lizards!

Just stopping by for a few minutes. How is everything?

BTW...an Obama victory is in the bag, he's got the most important of all celebrity endorsements...

Honey Boo Boo backs Obama

So he's got the six year-old redneck poorly-parented child vote sewed up?

170 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:14:51pm

re: #165 NJDhockeyfan

Afternoon lizards!

Just stopping by for a few minutes. How is everything?

BTW...an Obama victory is in the bag, he's got the most important of all celebrity endorsements...

Honey Boo Boo backs Obama

It's better than Kid Rock and Lindsey Lohan combined. At least Honey Boo Boo has the chance to become literate some day.

171 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:15:07pm

re: #169 Mostly sane, most of the time.

So he's got the six year-old redneck poorly-parented child vote sewed up?

Or is it sewn up?

Or is it done sewed up?

172 freetoken  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:15:07pm

In my last Page one of the usual suspects showed up with the claim that temperature rises stopped 16 years ago... which is wrong but I wondered from where he got that line.


Now we know:

Fox Falls For Tabloid "Science"

Daily Mail: "Global Warming Stopped 16 Years Ago, Reveals Met Office Report Quietly Released." In the Mail on Sunday, Daily Mail reporter David Rose wrote that "new data" released by the Met Office, the UK's National Weather Service, reveal that "the world stopped getting warmer almost 16 years ago," because there was "no discernable rise in aggregate global temperatures." The Daily Mail and its Sunday sister paper the Mail on Sunday are British tabloids that have repeatedly misrepresented climate science.

173 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:15:18pm

re: #161 The Mongoose

I'll edit it to read "What this began as was a spontaneous, not a premeditated response to what happened in Cairo," which is what she said.

Or, to give it even more context:

“We believe that folks in Benghazi, a small number of people came to the embassy to – or to the consulate, rather, to replicate the sort of challenge that was posed in Cairo,” Rice said. “And then as that unfolded, it seems to have been hijacked, let us say, by some individual clusters of extremists who came with heavier weapons… And it then evolved from there.”

And it looks like she might have been wrong, that rather than it being hijacked it was a sham protest driven by the extremists.

I just really don't get why I'm supposed to start pillorying her for this or what the hell would be 'covered up' by such a statement.

I'm really getting sick of the ghoulish exploitation of American deaths for political gain by Issa. First F&F, now this. The guy can't leave a grave alone.

174 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:15:31pm

re: #163 Shiplord Kirel

Whether the attack was "planned" seems to have become a major issue. Yes, it was planned in the sense that the Islamist militia did not arrive simultaneously with their weapons by accident.
The planning could have consisted of some hurried phone calls and basic instructions to various militia cells once the terrorist leaders realized the opportunity.
How far in advance, how elaborately, and how much and how soon State could have known about it are all open to speculation. That speculation is being selectively presented as fact and the truth is lost in the haze.

Agreed. I can't argue with that.

175 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:15:44pm

re: #170 darthstar

It's better than Kid Rock and Lindsey Lohan combined. At least Honey Boo Boo has the chance to become literate some day.

Her mother feeds her a mixture of Red Bull and Mountain Dew.

At six.

Don't bet on it.

176 Kragar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:37:16pm

What happened?

177 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:41:59pm

re: #161 The Mongoose

I'll edit it to read "What this began as was a spontaneous, not a premeditated response to what happened in Cairo," which is what she said.

This might help
[Link: www.theatlanticwire.com...]
In a conference call to reporters on Tuesday, senior State Department officials said they couldn't explain why Rice went on a Sunday talk show blitz last month describing the Benhazi attacks as a spontaneous reaction to an anti-Islam film in the U.S. "That was not our conclusion," the officials said. "That is the question you'd have to ask others."

In the Rice version of events, the attacks that led to the deaths of Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans began as an anti-film demonstration and devolved into a deadly assault. But State Department officials say there was no anti-film demonstration. "Everything is calm at 8:30 p.m., there is nothing unusual. There had been nothing unusual during the day outside," officials told reporters Tuesday. "Then at 9:40 they saw on the security cameras that there were armed men invading the compound."

178 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:42:05pm

We down again?

179 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:42:47pm

Now the web server is acting up - Apache crashed. This is why we're getting a new web server very soon to match the new DB server.

180 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:43:34pm

re: #176 Kragar

What happened?

I'm guessing something like this.

Image: wrong-mike.jpg

You know how hard it is to train the new ones.

181 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:44:27pm

Anecdotal, I know, but I'm not seeing many of these (e.g. young African American Democrats ) where people are crossing the line to vote for Romney.

182 Kragar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:44:29pm

re: #180 wrenchwench

I'm guessing something like this.

Image: wrong-mike.jpg

You know how hard it is to train the new ones.

Image: hamster-knife.jpg

183 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:44:35pm

re: #177 Daniel Ballard

But that's a conclusion that doesn't seem backed up by what Rice said. At the very worst, she said that there was a protest that got hijacked by the attackers.

184 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:44:54pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

Now the web server is acting up - Apache crashed. This is why we're getting a new web server very soon to match the new DB server.

Good thing they decided to do this now as opposed to election night.

185 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:45:09pm

re: #181 darthstar

Anecdotal, I know, but I'm not seeing many of these (e.g. young African American Democrats ) where people are crossing the line to vote for Romney.

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Edited as I had Obama instead of Romney there.

186 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:46:10pm
187 erik_t  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:46:21pm

OT, did this get mentioned?

www.romneytaxplan.com

188 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:47:11pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

Now the web server is acting up - Apache crashed. This is why we're getting a new web server very soon to match the new DB server.

I thought they were getting ready to swap it out last night?

189 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:47:24pm

re: #156 Kragar

The naming of porno movies is a wonderful and intricate art form.

"Assman and Throbin'"

190 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:47:29pm

LOL:

191 A Mom Anon  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:48:00pm

I'm listening to the radio right now and according to Randi Rhodes,and the Wall Street Journal had this statement from Hillary Clinton LAST WEEK and didn't run the story. WTF?

192 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:48:00pm

Instead of hamsters, the new web server will be powered by duck-sized horses.

193 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:48:11pm

re: #187 erik_t

OT, did this get mentioned?

www.romneytaxplan.com

oooooo beat me by seconds you wascally wabbit!

194 Kragar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:48:41pm

re: #189 Eventual Carrion

"Assman and Throbin'"

Field of Reams

195 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:49:03pm

re: #188 MittDoesNotCompute

I thought they were getting ready to swap it out last night?

Unfortunately it wasn't ready yet. It looks like it will happen in the next day or two.

196 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:49:17pm

Imagine, if Republicans spend $1B trying to beat Obama and lose, and lose in down ticket races like Ohio where they spent $20M against Sherrod Brown, this could be the most expensive losing election for a single party in our nation's history.

It could also spell (relative, I know) doom for the media in 2016 as retail politics may once again be favored over dumping money into network time.

197 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:49:34pm

re: #191 A Mom Anon

I'm listening to the radio right now and according to Randi Rhodes,and the Wall Street Journal had this statement from Hillary Clinton LAST WEEK and didn't run the story. WTF?

The WSJ is owned by Newscorp, aka Rupert Murdoch, and has gone seriously downhill ever since.

198 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:50:00pm

re: #182 Kragar

Image: hamster-knife.jpg

An early surgical tool for removing polyps?

199 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:50:59pm

re: #194 Kragar

Field of Reams

If you bill it, they will cum.

200 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:51:52pm

re: #198 darthstar

An early surgical tool for removing polyps?

Pioneered by the legendary Dr. Lemmiewinks.

201 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:52:01pm

re: #192 Sheila Broflovski

Instead of hamsters, the new web server will be powered by duck-sized horses.

How about horse-sized bunnies?

Image: horsie.jpg

202 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:52:02pm

...

203 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:53:37pm

re: #201 wrenchwench

How about horse-sized bunnies?

Image: horsie.jpg

More duck-sized horses=more horsepower in a small space!

204 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:55:07pm

re: #191 A Mom Anon

I'm listening to the radio right now and according to Randi Rhodes,and the Wall Street Journal had this statement from Hillary Clinton LAST WEEK and didn't run the story. WTF?

More:

The Wall Street Journal endured a double embarrassment yesterday evening. First, a Wall Street Journal editorial bemoaned that Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton had stayed “mute” on the Libya scandal — at the very moment that Clinton was conducting a monster round of interviews with television networks.

And to top it off, the Wall Street Journal’s editorializers were criticizing Clinton’s alleged accountabliphobia even though the news side of the Wall Street Journal had been sitting on a big Clinton interview that had gone down five days earlier.

[...]

Shorter:

205 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:55:17pm

So, I have a bit of a "conspiracy" theory on Clinton taking responsibility for Benghazi when she did.....it could set up a debate moment like this, when Obama is asked about it:

"Well, Hillary is trying to do an honorable thing by taking responsibility for the security situation, because that is just the sort of person and leader she is. However, ultimately the responsibility falls on me. Do I personally review the security details of our diplomatic staff? No. Do we even know all the details on what happened that day? No. But as President, the responsibility of things such as this is mine to bear." etc. etc. etc., talk about the investigation being ongoing, etc. etc. etc.

So this works three-fold - It sets up Hillary as a noble, honorable person who would look good in 2016, it makes Obama look like the leader he is, and it cuts off what is likely one of Romney's biggest planned attacks tonight and destroys it for the rest of the race.

It's just my personal theory, but I think doing this would win him the election, straight up.

206 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:55:24pm

Just had some fiery penne Arabiato for lunch. Whoo. Got me sweatin'.

207 A Mom Anon  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:55:40pm

re: #197 Targetpractice

So they had this since the day before the VP debate and they sat on it. There's the damned coverup. Fuckers. I am so sick of the lies and fearmongering.

Edited to add: The damned editorial staff are the ones who had their mitts on this one too. The editorial staff? WTF?

208 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:55:48pm

re: #202 Varek Raith

...

209 erik_t  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:56:19pm

re: #206 Charles Johnson

Just had some fiery penne Arabiato for lunch. Whoo. Got me sweatin'.

Please, please let this be the last spicy-food-related body update. Ass-uming your gut is anything like mine.

Ahem.

210 dragonfire1981  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:56:32pm

re: #187 erik_t

OT, did this get mentioned?

www.romneytaxplan.com

That is brilliant right there.

211 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:57:20pm

re: #206 Charles Johnson

Just had some fiery penne Arabiato for lunch. Whoo. Got me sweatin'.

I've got serranos, onions and tomatoes simmering on the stove. Will toss in some fresh rock cod when it's almost ready and have over brown rice...haven't made this red thai fish curry in ages. Spicy and delicious! (though I just rubbed my eyebrow with serrano on my finger and now my brow is burning)

212 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:57:28pm

re: #208 darthstar

Please tell me you got that by clicking my nic...
:P

213 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:58:04pm

re: #196 darthstar

Imagine, if Republicans spend $1B trying to beat Obama and lose, and lose in down ticket races like Ohio where they spent $20M against Sherrod Brown, this could be the most expensive losing election for a single party in our nation's history.

It could also spell (relative, I know) doom for the media in 2016 as retail politics may once again be favored over dumping money into network time.

it would be cheaper for republicans to just create their own alternate universe where their economic and social policies actually work

but i bet if they did they would refuse to live there

214 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:58:18pm

re: #202 Varek Raith

...

I had to drill down into your comment and view source, but I figured there was something cute in there.

216 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:58:59pm

re: #207 A Mom Anon

So they had this since the day before the VP debate and they sat on it. There's the damned coverup. Fuckers. I am so sick of the lies and fearmongering.

I'd say I was surprised, but I'm not. The WSJ has become another gossip rag and part of that gossip has been "Obama ducking responsibility for Benghazi failure!"

217 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:59:19pm

arizona has a new attorney

218 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 12:59:47pm

re: #217 SpaceJesus

arizona has a new attorney

Oh noes!
Congrats.

219 A Mom Anon  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:00:05pm

re: #217 SpaceJesus

You? if so,AWESOME!!! Congratulations! That's a long road,hope you can take the time to celebrate.

220 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:00:08pm

re: #217 SpaceJesus

arizona has a new attorney

Yourself?

Congratulations!

NM has a new one too. One of your former classmates.

221 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:00:48pm

Billy Graham's group removes Mormon cult reference from website after Romney meeting

as pope i declare that god will condemn him to burn in hell for eternity for that

222 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:01:31pm

re: #215 Varek Raith


Billy Graham's group removes Mormon cult reference from website after Romney meeting

How nice of him.
/

Ha, religious beliefs are so fungible for them. Whatever fits the need can be adopted or changed out on the fly.

223 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:01:50pm

re: #220 wrenchwench

Yourself?

Congratulations!

NM has a new one too. One of your former classmates.

yup. it's pretty funny. i just accepted a new job as a city attorney in albuquerque last week. i won't even practice here, but i just got my passage letter in the mail this morning.

224 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:02:57pm

re: #220 wrenchwench

they are lucky by the way. the nm bar lets you know if you passed by september. we had to wait until just now here in az.

3 months of waiting sucks :(

oh well.

225 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:02:58pm

re: #217 SpaceJesus

arizona has a new attorney

We're all doomed. SpaceJesus, Esq.

226 Kragar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:03:19pm

re: #222 Eventual Carrion

Ha, religious beliefs are so fungible for them. Whatever fits the need can be adopted or changed out on the fly.

I'll believe in the evangelical god when I see David Barton dive bombed by an eagle armed with a turtle.

227 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:03:52pm

re: #223 SpaceJesus

yup. it's pretty funny. i just accepted a new job as a city attorney in albuquerque last week. i won't even practice here, but i just got my passage letter in the mail this morning.

My friend is planning to do immigration cases. Don't think she's got a job yet, but passed the bar on the first try, as I knew she would.

228 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:04:28pm

oh, and arizona uses the Uniform Bar Exam now which 11 states and D.C. use. my score is high enough for all of them. no one can hide now.

229 darthstar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:05:05pm
230 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:05:37pm

re: #228 SpaceJesus

oh, and arizona uses the Uniform Bar Exam now which 11 states and D.C. use. my score is high enough for all of them. no one can hide now.

11 states, DC, and Space!!

231 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:05:54pm

re: #227 wrenchwench

nice. last i heard, lots of cities in southern new mexico don't even have immigration lawyers. if she went down there she could make some serious money.

232 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:06:55pm

Frum on the NYT article: What Really Happened in Benghazi?

It's a big day here at The Daily Beast/Newsweek when the New York Times publishes a story whose sole purpose seems to be to push back against Eli Lake's reporting.

To Libyans who witnessed the assault and know the attackers, there is little doubt what occurred: a well-known group of local Islamist militants struck without any warning or protest, and they did it in retaliation for the video.

Of course, that's not what the Director of National Intelligence reported. I expect we'll hear more tonight.

233 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:06:59pm

re: #231 SpaceJesus

nice. last i heard, lots of cities in southern new mexico don't even have immigration lawyers. if she went down there she could make some serious money.

She has to live a certain distance from her parents too, though. Which I fully understand.

234 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:10:01pm

re: #217 SpaceJesus

arizona has a new attorney

Congrats.

Space Jesus, Esquire

235 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:10:12pm

re: #233 wrenchwench

just build a giant wall of money around your house

236 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:11:23pm

re: #223 SpaceJesus

yup. it's pretty funny. i just accepted a new job as a city attorney in albuquerque last week. i won't even practice here, but i just got my passage letter in the mail this morning.

A(nother) Lizard lawyer on the side of good? Somehow, there may be a singularity forming underneath DIA right now...

///

237 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:13:37pm

debate

these guys play dirty

i predict obama will get manure-spread to death by that species of vegetable known as the republican plant, in the audience

barack may bring game, but these guys will be bringing brass knuckles

our only hope is for mitt to say something that he actually believes

238 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:14:14pm

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Frum on the NYT article: What Really Happened in Benghazi?

Of course, that's not what the Director of National Intelligence reported. I expect we'll hear more tonight.

Here's what the Director of National Intelligence said:

WASHINGTON — Extremists from groups linked to al Qaida struck the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in a “deliberate and organized terrorist attack,” the top U.S. intelligence agency said Friday, as it took responsibility for the Obama administration’s initial claims that the deadly assault grew from a spontaneous protest against an anti-Islam video.

Here's what the New York Times said:

To Libyans who witnessed the assault and know the attackers, there is little doubt what occurred: a well-known group of local Islamist militants struck without any warning or protest, and they did it in retaliation for the video.

There is no contradiction between these two reports. David Frum is full of it.

They struck without warning or protest, in retaliation for the video. How does that conflict with a "deliberate and organized terrorist attack?"

239 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:14:26pm

re: #236 MittDoesNotCompute

you too? i've actually been a lawyer for over a year when i passed the nm bar last summer.

240 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:14:48pm

(Referring to this book)

241 erik_t  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:15:05pm

re: #234 Gus

Congrats.

Space Jesus, Esquire

What does God need with a starship law degree?

242 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:16:02pm

Study: Stock market performance, and specifically the DJIA, is better indicator of who wins presidential elections than unemployment rates. If that trend holds, then Obama should win reelection since the stock market has grown by nearly 35% in the past three years (and recovered from the recession low point).

When they attempted to quantify the impact of the social mood the researchers found that, to use an analogy, if the incumbent election outcome were a dollar of income, the stock market’s performance would contribute just shy of 33 cents of that dollar, whereas the nation’s unemployment rate would contribute just over a penny.
The results do not depend on whether or not people ever actually own or trade any stocks, according to the researchers.

To test the robustness of their findings, the researchers went on to test the predictive ability of the so-called “big three” economic indicators: gross domestic product (GDP), or the nation’s aggregate economic output, the inflation rate and the unemployment rate. They also tested the inflation-adjusted GDP.

The three indicators were tested individually and in combination with the stock market. The researchers found that the market outperformed each indicator over specific time frames. Inflation and unemployment had no significant ability to predict the outcome of an election. Economic growth was a significant predictor of elections, but not as significant as the Dow’s performance.

“We believe our study helps demonstrate that aggregate voting at the margin -- swing voters -- are not so much rationally weighing the potential value of each candidate but rather voting primarily based on how they feel,” Emory’s Robert Prechter wrote in a blog on the findings of the research.

The S&P is another guide; as a short term indicator - if it decreases in the 3Q of the election year, then the incumbent is pretty much a goner (the lone exception being Eisenhower in 1956).

243 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:18:25pm
244 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:18:54pm

re: #93 Gus

If you did the same to them during the Bush years the response would have been deafening.

I remember those days vividly.

245 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:21:27pm

re: #244 Amory Blaine

I remember those days vividly.

Yep. I was one of them.

246 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:21:44pm

One that is.

247 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:22:06pm

re: #244 Amory Blaine

I remember those days vividly.

IOKIYAR

249 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:23:25pm

i have steeled myself to see the triumph of corrupt republican tactics tonight

250 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:24:10pm

re: #226 Kragar

I'll believe in the evangelical god when I see David Barton dive bombed by an eagle armed with a turtle.

251 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:24:35pm

In 1992, D'Souza married Dixie Brubaker, whom he first met during his time in Washington, D.C. They have one daughter, Danielle. In his book Life After Death: The Evidence, D'Souza revealed that Dixie had a near-death experience at the age of 19. D'Souza filed for divorce from Dixie on October 4, 2012, at which point he was already saying he was now engaged to a 29 year-old woman, Denise Odie Joseph II.

252 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:26:04pm

D'Souza is 51. His new fling is 29. That's a 22 year difference.

When D'Souza is 80 she'll be 58 years old... eek!

253 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:27:19pm

re: #252 Gus

D'Souza is 51. His new fling is 29. That's a 22 year difference.

When D'Souza is 80 she'll be 58 years old... eek!

Ha, you actually think he'll stick with her when she's over 40?

254 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:27:31pm

re: #251 Gus

Not waiting for the bed to cool off, eh?

255 erik_t  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:27:34pm

I have observed a very serious problem. Our office has four employees, but donuts come in boxes of a dozen.

Looking forward, we either need to hire more employees or purchase stronger chairs.

256 efuseakay  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:27:41pm

re: #252 Gus

D'Souza is 51. His new fling is 29. That's a 22 year difference.

When D'Souza is 80 she'll be 58 years old... eek!

Oh, you're just jealous.

//

257 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:28:16pm

re: #252 Gus

D'Souza is 51. His new fling is 29. That's a 22 year difference.

When D'Souza is 80 she'll be 58 years old... eek!

and the fucking dating service i paid so much money for insists that i must meet women within 5 years of my age and keeps matching me up with women 3 years older than me

258 Kragar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:28:52pm

Other Woman In Dinesh D'Souza Affair Is A D'Souza Fan

The above is a photo of the woman who the Evangelical magazine World reported today is allegedly at a center of a storm around the conservative pundit and president of The King's College, a Christian institution, Dinesh D'Souza.

Denise Odie Joseph II, who according to her Facebook page graduated high school in 2002, is pictured with a copy of D'Souza's book Obama's America. The photo comes from her blog, [Link: www.ideniselustafter.com,...] which has been taken down but can be accessed via a cached copy.

D'Souza, who is separated from his wife but, according to the World story not technically divorced, shared a hotel room with Joseph at a Christian authors conference in South Carolina. He reportedly told attendees that they were engaged.

259 lawhawk  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:30:08pm

re: #254 lawhawk

Well, he's following a well worn path by other such conservative luminaries and preachers of the sanctity of marriage like Newt Gingrich.

260 efuseakay  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:31:08pm

Re: tonight

I wish the President would come out after the likely flurry of Romney BS, and say something to the effect of:

"Hey, who is this guy? Where's the real Mitt Romney? Would we even know if he showed up?"

261 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:31:49pm

re: #258 Kragar

Other Woman In Dinesh D'Souza Affair Is A D'Souza Fan

Second link has a comma in it.

262 DisturbedEma  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:32:20pm

re: #258 Kragar

Ah Family values. . ./

263 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:32:29pm
264 Kragar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:32:58pm

re: #261 Gus

Second link has a comma in it.

That is what they have in the story. Says the sites been taken down anyway.

265 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:34:39pm

re: #264 Kragar

That is what they have in the story. Says the sites been taken down anyway.

See the cached link above your comment.

266 Mattand  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:35:05pm

Ignore this. Hit the post button by accident.

267 Gus  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:36:16pm
268 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:38:50pm

Hey CL! Thanks for posting those moral cowards tweet to my page. Appreciate knowing it.

269 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 1:39:25pm

re: #84 Obdicut

I'm not sure where the idea that this took a shit-ton of planning came from. Basically, a bunch of people assaulted two places that were known to be where the American diplomatic corp worked out of.

At first, we thought it was just a mob, but then it became clear that they were experienced attackers. That doesn't mean that they didn't quickly decide to do this. It wasn't D-Day. They came with a lot of guys and a lot of weapons and launched a vicious assault.

It was a local Islamist militia group, organized and well-armed, with a compound of their own. It would have taken very little planning to put together an attack, especially when they knew they wouldn't face much resistance.

270 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 3:01:24pm

re: #268 William Barnett-Lewis

Hey CL! Thanks for posting those moral cowards tweet to my page. Appreciate knowing it.

You're welcome! I tweeted it and apparently they didn't like it one bit, heh.


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