Romney’s “Binders Full of Women?” Yet Another Lie

The lies were flowing tonight
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One of the most strikingly absurd moments from tonight’s debate was when Mitt Romney claimed he had “binders full of women” that he had helped get jobs while governor of Massachusetts.

Because, like so much of what Romney says, this claim was simply not true.

Not a true story.

What actually happened was that in 2002 — prior to the election, not even knowing yet whether it would be a Republican or Democratic administration — a bipartisan group of women in Massachusetts formed MassGAP to address the problem of few women in senior leadership positions in state government. There were more than 40 organizations involved with the Massachusetts Women’s Political Caucus (also bipartisan) as the lead sponsor.

They did the research and put together the binder full of women qualified for all the different cabinet positions, agency heads, and authorities and commissions. They presented this binder to Governor Romney when he was elected.

I have written about this before, in various contexts; tonight I’ve checked with several people directly involved in the MassGAP effort who confirm that this history as I’ve just presented it is correct — and that Romney’s claim tonight, that he asked for such a study, is false.

I will write more about this later, but for tonight let me just make a few quick additional points. First of all, according to MassGAP and MWPC, Romney did appoint 14 women out of his first 33 senior-level appointments, which is a reasonably impressive 42 percent. However, as I have reported before, those were almost all to head departments and agencies that he didn’t care about — and in some cases, that he quite specifically wanted to not really do anything. None of the senior positions Romney cared about — budget, business development, etc. — went to women.

Secondly, a UMass-Boston study found that the percentage of senior-level appointed positions held by women actually declined throughout the Romney administration, from 30.0% prior to his taking office, to 29.7% in July 2004, to 27.6% near the end of his term in November 2006. (It then began rapidly rising when Deval Patrick took office.)

Third, note that in Romney’s story as he tells it, this man who had led and consulted for businesses for 25 years didn’t know any qualified women, or know where to find any qualified women. So what does that say?

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1 freetoken  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:49:34pm
2 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:51:41pm

Thought the last paragraph the clincher:

Third, note that in Romney’s story as he tells it, this man who had led and consulted for businesses for 25 years didn’t know any qualified women, or know where to find any qualified women. So what does that say?

3 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:51:49pm

I am glad Obama hammered him over how he answered the Lily Ledbetter question. I bet you that Romney didn't even know what that was or if he had heard of it, I bet he didn't concern himself with finding out its importance to women.

4 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:52:47pm

re: #2 Targetpractice

Thought the last paragraph the clincher:

That's an excellent point. But I've been seeing from researchers that Bain really had no women high up in its chain. Romney belongs to the old boys club.

5 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:52:53pm

Stop it. This is hard!

6 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:53:15pm

Going from the previous thread:

You want to know why the polls have such a "narrow" victory for Obama here, when it had a bigger victory for Romney in the first debate?

Because Liberals can actually be HONEST about what they saw. Look around for Republicans saying Romney just lost that debate, the way nearly every Democrat could say Obama lost the first. You won't find very many. No, they're all forced to call it a "draw." (see DF). For them, saying that their guy didn't win is the equivalent to Andrew Sullivan's reaction to the first debate. When Liberals lose, they beat themselves up about it. When conservatives lose, they deny deny deny.

7 Achilles Tang  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:53:37pm

I think the point here is that it takes research, and binders, to suddenly find qualified women; who have presumably been invisible and non existent in the current employees.

8 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:54:17pm

re: #6 JamesWI

Going from the previous thread:

You want to know why the polls have such a "narrow" victory for Obama here, when it had a bigger victory for Romney in the first debate?

Because Liberals can actually be HONEST about what they saw. Look around for Republicans saying Romney just lost that debate, the way nearly every Democrat could say Obama lost the first. You won't find very many. No, they're all forced to call it a "draw." (see DF). For them, saying that their guy didn't win is the equivalent to Andrew Sullivan's reaction to the first debate. When Liberals lose, they beat themselves up about it. When conservatives lose, they deny deny deny.

QFT.

9 dragonath  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:55:05pm

Romney's strategy is catching up to him. I thought that he was negative the whole debate and Crowley's insta-fact checking tore down a chunk of his facade.

Frum has the most tendentious reading of the debate I've seen tonight. It's like he hates Obama's style but he can't admit Romney lost.

10 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:56:06pm

re: #9 dragonath

Romney's strategy is catching up to him. I thought that he was negative the whole debate and Crowley's insta-fact checking tore down a chunk of his facade.

Frum has the most tendentious reading of the debate I've seen tonight. It's like he hates Obama's style but he can't admit Romney won.

Huh? Romney didn't win.

11 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:56:08pm

re: #6 JamesWI

Going from the previous thread:

You want to know why the polls have such a "narrow" victory for Obama here, when it had a bigger victory for Romney in the first debate?

Because Liberals can actually be HONEST about what they saw. Look around for Republicans saying Romney just lost that debate, the way nearly every Democrat could say Obama lost the first. You won't find very many. No, they're all forced to call it a "draw." (see DF). For them, saying that their guy didn't win is the equivalent to Andrew Sullivan's reaction to the first debate. When Liberals lose, they beat themselves up about it. When conservatives lose, they deny deny deny.

I think this is the case. My parents can't stand Romney but they were willing to admit that he won Round 1. Seemed equally convinced that Obama won round 2. Sounds right to me. Obama was great tonight. Much more at ease than last time.

12 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:56:27pm

When Mitt Romney has made alliances with the most misogynistic anti-choice groups in American, it's outrageous and dishonest for him to try to claim to be a friend of women's rights -- and it turns out that even his weak claim is false. Pathetic.

13 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:58:08pm

re: #5 moderatelyradicalliberal

Stop it. This is hard!

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Sometimes I wonder if she wants to be first lady more than Mittens wants to be President...

14 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:58:18pm

re: #11 HappyWarrior

I think this is the case. My parents can't stand Romney but they were willing to admit that he won Round 1. Seemed equally convinced that Obama won round 2. Sounds right to me. Obama was great tonight. Much more at ease than last time.

Don't flame me, but I really think there may be something to Al Gore's suggestion about Obama having altitude sickness. The difference is remarkable. He was himself tonight.

15 allegro  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:58:32pm

When he was telling his story I was hollering LIAR. Not because I had the actual facts at the moment but because I've seen enough of the man and heard enough from him to know that it was a lie. There is no way in hell that this misogynist went out of his way to seek out women to place in high management offices and positions. I also know he lies about everything and makes up whatever shit in the moment he thinks will make him look good. Asshole.

16 dragonath  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:59:16pm

re: #10 moderatelyradicalliberal

Oh thanks, I fixed that.

I got a good laugh how he though Obama rolled over the moderator. I was surprised how well the format worked for once.

17 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 8:59:45pm

He promised me flex time. If I believed the fuck, I'd vote for him.

Really, he promised flex time.

18 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:00:02pm

re: #14 moderatelyradicalliberal

Don't flame me, but I really think there may be something to Al Gore's suggestion about Obama having altitude sickness. The difference is remarkable. He was himself tonight.

I don't know. I remember Obama's acceptance speech which was also in Denver and him doing pretty well with that. I didn't think that claim was crazy as people made it out to be though because people do respond to altitudes differently.

19 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:00:41pm

re: #16 dragonath

Oh thanks, I fixed that.

I got a good laugh how he though Obama rolled over the moderator. I was surprised how well the format worked for once.

I was very impressed about how Crowley kindly but forcefully told Willard everything but to STFD and STFU every time he tried to insist on response time. Total night and day difference from Lehrer in the first debate.

20 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:00:49pm

re: #5 moderatelyradicalliberal

Stop it. This is hard!

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Is that hate in her eyes?

21 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:02:16pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

I was very impressed about how Crowley kindly but forcefully told Willard everything but to STFD and STFU every time he tried to insist on response time. Total night and day difference from Lehrer in the first debate.

Yep she was forceful but fair with him which really needed to be done after the last debate. I think Schaffer has the last one. Not sure what his style is.

22 allegro  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:02:29pm

re: #20 Gangnam Style

Is that hate in her eyes?

Looks more like sneering contempt to me.

23 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:03:11pm

re: #18 HappyWarrior

I don't know. I remember Obama's acceptance speech which was also in Denver and him doing pretty well with that. I didn't think that claim was crazy as people made it out to be though because people do respond to altitudes differently.

True, but he flew into Denver the night before and had time to acclimate back in 2008.

My parents went to Sante Fe, NM back in July and they were sick the first day because of the altitude. They didn't expect it because they had been in high altitudes before with no problems. This time it wiped them out.

24 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:03:15pm

re: #22 allegro

Looks more like sneering contempt to me.

"How dare these peasants have actual expectations of my perfect husband who only does good and never wrong!"

25 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:03:18pm

You're going to hear a lot of dilettantes and right wingers telling you this was a "draw." Don't believe it. This was a massive win for Obama, on almost every point. He crushed Romney.

26 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:04:37pm

re: #25 Charles Johnson

You're going to hear a lot of dilettantes and right wingers telling you this was a "draw." Don't believe it. This was a massive win for Obama, on almost every point. He crushed Romney.

That's because they can't call it a Romney win without getting laughter in response. They're trying, bless their hearts, to argue that the "draw" was in his favor, but they're sounding ridiculous in doing so.

27 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:04:54pm

re: #21 HappyWarrior

Yep she was forceful but fair with him which really needed to be done after the last debate. I think Schaffer has the last one. Not sure what his style is.

The last is foreign policy so it's an inherent advantage for Obama. And I think he killed Willard's Benghazi argument tonight.

28 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:05:17pm

re: #23 moderatelyradicalliberal

True, but he flew into Denver the night before and had time to acclimate back in 2008.

My parents went to Sante Fe, NM back in July and they were sick the first day because of the altitude. They didn't expect it because they had been in high altitudes before with no problems. This time it wiped them out.

Could well be. Honestly, I was pleasantly surprised how I adapted to Albuquerque the week I was there back in January.

29 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:05:36pm

re: #5 moderatelyradicalliberal

Stop it. This is hard!

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That is not the face of someone who is happy.

30 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:10:27pm

re: #29 Dancing along the light of day

That is not the face of someone who is happy.

For all of Ann Romney's Antoinettism, I think that even she realized that Hubby fucking blew it tonight.

I guarantee she's giving him a tongue lashing about it right now...

31 dragonath  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:10:57pm

I'm laughing at this #RomneyWasActuallyRightOnLibya tag. Conservatives are so desperate to make this an issue they could not possibly be more transparent.

32 Achilles Tang  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:11:16pm

re: #5 moderatelyradicalliberal

Anyone with a rapid shutter can catch a bad photo for an agenda. I don't like her, but this is a cheap shot.

33 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:12:02pm

We're running kind of slow because traffic's very high, and our web server can't keep up with the fast new database server.

In case you missed my earlier note - we have a new web server on the way to match the new DB server, and I can't wait for it to be installed.

34 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:12:35pm

I figure the narrative about tonight is gonna mirror to a large degree the one from last week: Obama was more forceful, but Romney won on "style."

35 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:13:01pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

We're looking forward to the new DB server too!

36 The Mongoose  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:13:01pm

re: #32 Achilles Tang

Anyone with a rapid shutter can catch a bad photo for an agenda. I don't like her, but this is a cheap shot.

Agree. I've seen this done to the the First Lady in the past and it's just as cheap.

37 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:13:24pm

I heard some weird calls on CSPAN after the debate. One guy accused the president of constantly blaming others. I mean yes Bush is criticized often by this president but at least it's not like the Republicans who won't shut the hell up about the Carter administration and want to make every Democrat who runs for president out to be a Carter clone. Other weird thing was this student/vet totally misinterpreting Obama's point about the 47% comments Obama made about Romney. Obama said he did NOT think they were victims but that it's in our interest to help them out and that student vet benefits from programs like the GI Bill that Romney and his nutcase allies would have fought tooth and nail. Romney was the one who dissed them. This all reminds me why this election is closer than it should be.

38 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:14:02pm

CNN Undecided female voter gets the answers on equal pay for women completely wrong, and thinks Romney actually said anything supporting equal pay. Yep....these are the people deciding this election.....

39 freetoken  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:14:05pm

There are three great forms of entertainment in contemporary America that those great, fetishized "uncommitted" believe are real but are in fact "works" (i.e., pretense):

1) Professional wrestling;
2) Dancing With The Stars;
3) Presidential "Debates".

40 recusancy  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:14:16pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

We're running kind of slow because traffic's very high, and our web server can't keep up with the fast new database server.

In case you missed my earlier note - we have a new web server on the way to match the new DB server, and I can't wait for it to be installed.

How's the learning with node.js coming? Seems like a site with a comment system like this would benefit greatly from using that.

41 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:14:46pm

Was Romney actually so out of touch that he *didn't know* Obama called the Libyan attacks "acts of terror?"

That's what it looked like. That moment is going down in history as one of the worst missteps ever by a presidential candidate. Romney was so smug and so sure he had Obama, and he was DEAD WRONG.

42 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:15:00pm

re: #38 JamesWI

CNN Undecided female voter gets the answers on equal pay for women completely wrong, and thinks Romney actually said anything supporting equal pay. Yep....these are the people deciding this election.....

And this why at 25 I am not the idealist I was at 17. Do people actually listen to these candidates?

43 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:15:03pm

Binders full of resumes? Or just their recipes. Is he thinking of pot luck or National Security?

44 Achilles Tang  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:15:28pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

We're running kind of slow because traffic's very high, and our web server can't keep up with the fast new database server.

In case you missed my earlier note - we have a new web server on the way to match the new DB server, and I can't wait for it to be installed.

I was about to complain to my ISP, until I checked my spped an found it OK. So it's your fault.

45 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:15:58pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Was Romney actually so out of touch that he *didn't know* Obama called the Libyan attacks "acts of terror?"

That's what it looked like. That moment is going down in history as one of the worst missteps ever by a presidential candidate. Romney was so smug and so sure he had Obama, and he was DEAD WRONG.

He really did look like he had Obama dead to rights, then Crowley speaks up and says the President's telling the truth. You never saw the fire die in somebody's eyes so quickly.

46 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:16:48pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Was Romney actually so out of touch that he *didn't know* Obama called the Libyan attacks "acts of terror?"

That's what it looked like. That moment is going down in history as one of the worst missteps ever by a presidential candidate. Romney was so smug and so sure he had Obama, and he was DEAD WRONG.

When Candy Crowley told him "No, he did call them", Mitt looked like a guy who for the first time in his life was told he was wrong and he hated hearing that. Mitt carries himself with a smug attitude of entitlement. You don't see it as much when he's doing well like the first debate but when he's actually called to account for his bullshit, it shows and it shows big time that this is a man who can't being told he's wrong without acting like a dickhead.

47 The Mongoose  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:16:49pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Was Romney actually so out of touch that he *didn't know* Obama called the Libyan attacks "acts of terror?"

That's what it looked like. That moment is going down in history as one of the worst missteps ever by a presidential candidate. Romney was so smug and so sure he had Obama, and he was DEAD WRONG.

In a debate like this you never ask a question you don't know the answer to. Either he made that mistake, or someone gave him horrible information. The post-debate semantic battles aside, it was definitely a blunder.

48 freetoken  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:17:31pm

re: #38 JamesWI

See, I told you they believe it.

49 dragonath  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:17:37pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

I figure the narrative about tonight is gonna mirror to a large degree the one from last week: Obama was more forceful, but Romney won on "style."

Oh I think it'll come off better than that. As far as "style", all I can think of is Romney lamely shuffling off after the debate.

50 Achilles Tang  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:17:54pm

Spell edit doesn't come up at all.

51 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:18:43pm

There were a couple times during the debate where I thought Willard in danger of chucking the microphone and marching off the stage. You never saw a more forced grin.

52 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:18:44pm

re: #35 Dancing along the light of day

We're looking forward to the new DB server too!

The new DB server's already in and running; that's why LGF went down the weekend before last, the old DB server shuffled off its mortal coil.

53 Achilles Tang  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:18:50pm

re: #49 dragonath

Oh I think it'll come off better than that. As far as "style", all I can think of is Romney lamely shuffling off after the debate.

I noticed the lack of hugs after the end.

54 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:19:34pm

So, Romney claims Obama didn't call it an act of terror for two weeks.

In reality, he called it an act of terror the day after the attack, and the day after the day after the attack.

55 Kragar  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:21:05pm

re: #52 MittDoesNotCompute

The new DB server's already in and running; that's why LGF went down the weekend before last, the old DB server shuffled off its mortal coil.

I, for one, welcome our new server overlords.

56 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:21:31pm

re: #55 Kragar

I, for one, welcome our new server overlords.

May death come swiftly to their enemies.

//

57 Achilles Tang  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:21:39pm

re: #54 JamesWI

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So, Romney claims Obama didn't call it an act of terror for two weeks.

In reality, he called it an act of terror the day after the attack, and the day after the day after the attack.

Obama should have offered a $10,000 bet on that one.

58 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:23:10pm

re: #38 JamesWI

CNN Undecided female voter gets the answers on equal pay for women completely wrong, and thinks Romney actually said anything supporting equal pay. Yep....these are the people deciding this election.....

Back during the Iran/Contra scandal, someone drew a political cartoon depicting a panel of 12 Alfred E. Neumans, with the caption "The Oliver North Jury".

The same picture could be reused today, retitled "The Undecided Voters".

59 The Mongoose  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:24:10pm

What's such a head-scratcher for me about the Libya response is that it had to have been carefully rehearsed. they knew it would come up. And they thought THAT was the best way to deal with it? That should have been the easiest question of the night, and Mr. Romney couldn't have had a worse angle of attack.

60 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:24:59pm

And just to show Kilgore why I will never take Politifact seriously again:

Yes, Killgore. They're a fucking joke. An absolute fucking joke.

61 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:25:08pm

re: #58 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Ehh, the price to be paid for our Republic. Nobody else gets to brawl like we do and emerge unscathed.

62 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:26:56pm

re: #60 JamesWI

And just to show Kilgore why I will never take Politifact seriously again:

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Yes, Killgore. They're a fucking joke. An absolute fucking joke.

2 + 2 = 5, for sufficiently large values of 2.

63 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:28:11pm

Tonight when Romney said he supported a mandate for employers to cover contraception on employee health plans, that was another blatant lie:

In the Senate, Sen. Roy Blunt, R-Mo., sponsored an amendment that would exempt employers from providing any service that went against their "beliefs or moral convictions." At the time, the issue put the Obama administration on the defensive and the president himself appeared at the White House briefing room to explain a work-around for religious affiliated hospitals, universities and the like.

A few weeks later, with a vote on the Blunt amendment pending, Romney was asked where he stood. He told a Boston radio interviewer "Of course I support the Blunt amendment."

CNCnews.com, a conservative news service, seeking clarity, wrote about putting the question directly to the Romney campaign.

"Will Mitt Romney, on day one, rescind this mandate in its entirety — as the Catholic Church has urged the current administration to do — so that individuals, employers and insurers who have a ‘moral or religious objection to contraception or sterilization’ will not be forced to violate the tenets of their own faith or act against their consciences?"

Romney campaign spokesman Ryan Williams responded: "Yes--Gov. Romney would rescind the mandate in its entirety."

In April, Romney reiterated his opposition to the current rule at a meeting of the National Rifle Association. He said, "As president, I will abolish it."

We conclude from those comments that Romney would not just abolish the requirements for religious organizations, but for any employer that had a moral or religious objection.

64 alpuz  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:28:45pm

re: #60 JamesWI

Yup. Drive this one home.

65 recusancy  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:29:29pm

re: #58 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Back during the Iran/Contra scandal, someone drew a political cartoon depicting a panel of 12 Alfred E. Neumans, with the caption "The Oliver North Jury".

The same picture could be reused today, retitled "The Undecided Voters".

Oliver can thank the ACLU for their work on that trial as well.

66 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:29:55pm

re: #58 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Oh, grr. Oliver North. That god damn sob. Had I been in charge of that committee he would have never been allowed to piss on his uniform by testifying in it. God damn rat fucker.

That little asshat remains a disgrace to every American who ever served.

67 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:31:52pm

re: #66 William Barnett-Lewis

Oh, grr. Oliver North. That god damn sob. Had I been in charge of that committee he would have never been allowed to piss on his uniform by testifying in it. God damn rat fucker.

That little asshat remains a disgrace to every American who ever served.

I am still embarrassed my state nearly elected him. I've talked about how in the past I respected John Warner. Well, John Warner opposed that bastard's run for the Senate so there's a reason for the aforementioned respect. That and opposing Bork being nominated to the USSC. Really the making Oliver North into a hero was disgusting.

68 boredtechindenver  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:34:01pm
69 makeitstop  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:34:19pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Was Romney actually so out of touch that he *didn't know* Obama called the Libyan attacks "acts of terror?"

That's what it looked like. That moment is going down in history as one of the worst missteps ever by a presidential candidate. Romney was so smug and so sure he had Obama, and he was DEAD WRONG.

And Obama was pissed about that. His 'Proceed, Governor was about as frosty as I've ever seen him, and you could tell his rebuttal was heartfelt. He wasn't going to let that arrogant SOB denigrate his people.

70 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:43:52pm

re: #55 Kragar

Meh, you like a good overlord. New or old...

71 ipsos  Tue, Oct 16, 2012 9:57:03pm

re: #39 freetoken

There are three great forms of entertainment in contemporary America that those great, fetishized "uncommitted" believe are real but are in fact "works" (i.e., pretense):

1) Professional wrestling;
2) Dancing With The Stars;
3) Presidential "Debates".

Hey, now. They tossed Bristol Palin off Dancing With The Stars tonight, and Mama Grizzly looked about as frosty over that as Ann Romney did after the debate.

(In my defense: the mother-in-law is visiting and insisted we watch the DWTS results show before the debate came on. That's my story.)

72 teresa  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 6:55:23am

The most offensive part of this is not just that he didn't know women in a professional sense, but that he filled a quota, because he knew he needed to fill a quota of women on his cabinet in order to run for higher office. And while I know I didn't get to where I am without Affirmative Action as a national policy, it is insulting that in this new millenia there are people out there (Mitt) who don't know qualified professional women. WTF?

As a woman who has always held positions traditionally held by men, I've met men like this in the past, back in the beginning of my career which was in the late 80's and early 1990's before lots of women were network/data gurus, but it is on the rare occasion that I meet anyone like that now.

I don't know, but I think this will be one of those issues that hurts Romney on election day.


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