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Politifact Gets It Wrong Again: Obama Did Consistently Use “Act of Terror” to Describe Libya Attack

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The right wing blogs and media are all screeching in unison again, furiously trying to pretend that President Obama never referred to the Libyan embassy attack as an “act of terror” until 2 weeks later.

In other words, as usual, they’re all shilling for Mitt Romney’s lies.

So let’s look at President Obama’s exact words, as he delivered them in the White House Rose Garden on September 12, 2012: Remarks by the President on the Deaths of U.S. Embassy Staff in Libya | the White House.

No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

The right wing spin is that Obama was speaking of “acts of terror” in a general sense — but that’s ridiculous. The only way you can believe that is if you totally ignore the sentences that follow, where he specifically makes the connection to the Libya attack.

But then, that’s what right wingers are great at — ignoring facts and context. Politifact isn’t supposed to do that, though. Their report on Romney’s lie is almost as bad as the right wing spin: PolitiFact | Romney Says Obama Waited 14 Days to Call Libya Attack Terror.

In fact, Obama described it in those terms the day after the attack. But in the days that followed, neither he nor all the members of his administration spoke consistently on the subject. There were many suggestions that the attack was part of demonstrations over an American-made video that disparaged Islam.

We rate the statement Half True.

Unfortunately, Politifact’s claim that Obama only used the T word once, the day after the attack, is just flat wrong.

He used the same phrase to refer to the Libyan attack in Colorado the very next day, September 13: Remarks by the President in Golden, CO | the White House.

Let me say at the outset that obviously our hearts are heavy this week — we had a tough day a couple of days ago, for four Americans were killed in an attack on our diplomatic post in Libya.  Yesterday I had a chance to go over to the State Department to talk to friends and colleagues of those who were killed.  And these were Americans who, like so many others, both in uniform and civilians, who serve in difficult and dangerous places all around the world to advance the interests and the values that we hold dear as Americans. 

And a lot of times their work goes unheralded, doesn’t get a lot of attention, but it is vitally important.  We enjoy our security and our liberty because of the sacrifices that they make.  And they do an outstanding job every single day without a lot of fanfare.  (Applause.) 

So what I want all of you to know is that we are going to bring those who killed our fellow Americans to justice.  (Applause.)  I want people around the world to hear me:  To all those who would do us harm, no act of terror will go unpunished. It will not dim the light of the values that we proudly present to the rest of the world.  No act of violence shakes the resolve of the United States of America.  (Applause.) 

The fact is that Obama consistently referred to the attack as an “act of terror,” in public, more than once, immediately following the incident.

Politifact should correct their mistake; Romney’s statement, echoing a bogus right wing attack line, was simply false.

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143 comments

1 erik_t  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:29:59am

That bit I said about most suspicious claims not being distillable to a single Super Duper Fact Rating (TM)... yeah, this is one of the ones that can. And Politifact still fucked it up.

2 Sophist, Gingham Style  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:30:55am
In fact, Obama described it in those terms the day after the attack. But in the days that followed, neither he nor all the members of his administration spoke consistently on the subject. There were many suggestions that the attack was part of demonstrations over an American-made video that disparaged Islam.

And being a response to the video somehow makes it...not terrorism or something? I'm confused, what exactly is the inconsistency here?

3 Bulworth  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:32:00am

Yeah but Obama didn't immediately declare war against Libya and Islam and start dropping bombs right away and ratchet up the old alert colors or whatever those things were from the W admin so no matter how many times he said some variation of 'terrorism' it won't matter to the RWNJ.

4 Kragar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:32:05am

This kind of "well, he didn't use those exact words" kind of horseshit is grade school level crap.

5 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:32:40am

These people are fuckin' stupid.

6 iossarian  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:32:57am

President still a black man.

Republicans still pissed.

7 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:34:18am

re: #2 Sophist, Gingham Style

And being a response to the video somehow makes it...not terrorism or something? I'm confused, what exactly is the inconsistency here?

It's just incredibly weird to me how many people are saying this. You're exactly right -- there is no contradiction. It was a terror attack, yes, by Islamist militants. And they specifically said that the reason they attacked was in retaliation for the video.

This is not an either/or situation. The people trying to picture it like that are either being dishonest, or have serious trouble making logical connections.

8 Kragar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:35:30am

Crowley refuses to backtrack as Romney surrogate says fact check ‘not your place’

“Goodness, I hope they get back to one another,” Crowley replied, adding that her comments following the debate were “exactly the same” as the original fact check. “He did say ‘acts of terror,’ call it an act of terror, but, Gov. Romney, you are perfectly right that it took weeks for them to get past the tape.”

“Not a backtrack?” O’Brien wondered.

“No!” Crowley said. “Now, did the president say, ‘This was an act of terror’? The president did not say [that], he said, these ‘acts of terror.’ But he was in the Rose Garden to talk about Benghazi so I don’t think that’s a leap.”

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT), who was appearing on Wednesday morning’s CNN panel as a Romney surrogate, told Crowley that “it wasn’t necessarily your place to try to be fact checker right there. I happen to think that your assessment of that was wrong. … It’s not the role of the moderator to say, ‘Mr. President, you’re right.’”

“Nonsense,” CNN liberal contributor Roland Martin quipped. “The congressman is dead wrong. If you stand there and say something that is wrong, you should be corrected on the spot. Look, I have no problem even having a table of fact checkers there. We shouldn’t wait until the debate is over and then have different people saying, this was right, this was wrong. More people are watching that singular debate than they’re watching anyone’s particular coverage.”

“And so if you say something and it’s wrong, you check them right then,” he added.

9 Bulworth  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:36:34am

And quite honestly I'm not sure what difference his or his admins calling this or any attack terrorism x number of times in x variety of venues was supposed to accomplish.

10 erik_t  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:38:52am

re: #8 Kragar

Crowley refuses to backtrack as Romney surrogate says fact check ‘not your place’

If a moderator doesn't want to correct flat-out lies factual errors, they should GTFO the dais and go sit in the goddamned audience.

11 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:39:39am

re: #9 Bulworth

And quite honestly I'm not sure what difference his or his admins calling this or any attack terrorism x number of times in x variety of venues was supposed to accomplish.

To the wingnut mind, it's evidence of a dastardly cover-up. Because in their strange universe, Obama actually sympathizes with the attackers. Mitt Romney said this outright, the day of the attack, and it's been the right wing line ever since.

12 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:40:02am

Is it just me or does the Right Wing Whacko Rhetoric Machine work overtime to confuse their viewers with stupid facts --making it nearly impossible to see the larger picture?

i.e. describing each minutia of tree so no one will notice the deforestation?

13 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:40:39am

Our Secretary of State spoke of AQ connections with the militants. The attack happened on 9/11. That's a clear tie to not just terrorists but THE terrorists we worry about the most.

But no real mention of the anniversary date, just the terror language and talk of the video.

It's almost as if the attack date was somehow proven a coincidence.

14 mr.fusion  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:41:34am
The right wing spin is that Obama was speaking of “acts of terror” in a general sense

So the day after the attacks in Libya, the President gives a speech in the Rose Garden to address the attack in Libya....but he wasn't really talking about the attack in Libya?

Are these people freaking serious? They know they're lying right? I mean...they have to

15 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:42:09am

Wingnuts are splitting the fine pig's hair over the exquisite semantic differences between "acts of terror" "terrorism" and "terrorists?

16 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:43:04am

re: #13 Daniel Ballard

Our Secretary of State spoke of AQ connections with the militants. The attack happened on 9/11. That's a clear tie to not just terrorists but THE terrorists we worry about the most.

But no real mention of the anniversary date, just the terror language and talk of the video.

It's almost as if the attack date was somehow proven a coincidence.

The people who actually carried out the attack specifically said it was retaliation for the video's insults to Islam. They made absolutely no mention of 9/11, in two separate press conferences.

There's no reason to think this was connected to 9/11. The militants would have boasted about that if it were.

17 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:43:43am

Obama really needs to come out in the next debate and say something like "Look, they're so desperate to try to score political points off of this attack, that they're seriously trying to argue that there's a difference between calling something an "act of terror" and calling it a "terrorist attack." This is what the Romney campaign is focused on. This is what Romney thinks is leadership."

18 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:44:20am

I keep hearing "rumors" that Hillary is going to bail and start her behind-the-scenes campaign for 2016. Thus "they" are going to give Romney this round, so a Democrat can win in 2016.

Not that I would trust that in anyway shape or form.

19 Kragar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:45:40am

Barber: Personhood Amendments are Just Like Efforts to Free the Slaves

Today, in discussing the legal efforts that Liberty Counsel is undertaking on behalf of this effort, Matt Barber explained that efforts to pass "personhood" amendments is just like effort to end slavery because "this merely does what we did in freeing the slaves; this frees these little people from the overhanging threat of abortion homicide":

Sorry ladies, but giving up control of your reproductive rights and control of your own body is just like ending slavery. Its so obvious now.
/

20 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:47:32am

re: #19 Kragar

Barber: Personhood Amendments are Just Like Efforts to Free the Slaves

Sorry ladies, but giving up control of your reproductive rights and control of your own body is just like ending slavery. Its so obvious now.
/

Difference is I think Barber and his allies would probably be using the bible to justify slavery had they been around in the lead up to the Civil War. Maybe I'm being unfair but with Louie Gohmert claiming that while slavery was deplorable, that the time period when slavery was around was a better time than now. It really makes me wonder.

21 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:48:05am

re: #18 ggt

I keep hearing "rumors" that Hillary is going to bail and start her behind-the-scenes campaign for 2016. Thus "they" are going to give Romney this round, so a Democrat can win in 2016.

Not that I would trust that in anyway shape or form.

If she was going to do that, it would have happened a while ago not three weeks before the election.

22 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:50:39am

re: #18 ggt

I keep hearing "rumors" that Hillary is going to bail and start her behind-the-scenes campaign for 2016. Thus "they" are going to give Romney this round, so a Democrat can win in 2016.

Not that I would trust that in anyway shape or form.

Yeah, I heard that as well from wingnuts who are sure that Hillary's gonna bail, because she "wants" to run in '16 against an incumbent Romney than as an Obama successor.

It's another part of their continuing belief that the Clintons are holding a grudge from all the way back in '08.

23 Gus  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:50:39am

Thanks for this.

24 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:51:11am

re: #19 Kragar

Barber: Personhood Amendments are Just Like Efforts to Free the Slaves

Sorry ladies, but giving up control of your reproductive rights and control of your own body is just like ending slavery. Its so obvious now.
/

There is no war on women --didn't you hear?

/gah

25 Gus  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:51:46am
26 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:52:44am

re: #22 Targetpractice

Yeah, I heard that as well from wingnuts who are sure that Hillary's gonna bail, because she "wants" to run in '16 against an incumbent Romney than as an Obama successor.

It's another part of their continuing belief that the Clintons are holding a grudge from all the way back in '08.

Yeah, I hear that too.

Give this round to Romney, so the country will see that the GOP is fuckin' crazy and any Democrat will win in 2016 --even a woman.

Sure, we'll just be so much better off with a GOP controlled Congress and Oval Office for 4 years . . . .

/

27 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:55:01am

re: #21 HappyWarrior

If she was going to do that, it would have happened a while ago not three weeks before the election.

"They" say she'll resign just after the election --if/when Obama wins.

Kinda silly, it's as if they are admitting Obama is going to win.

28 Gus  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:55:13am

re: #15 Sheila Broflovski

Wingnuts are splitting the fine pig's hair over the exquisite semantic differences between "acts of terror" "terrorism" and "terrorists?

Yes. Who would have thought. ;)

29 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:55:24am

this is all you need to know about Romney, his surrogates, and the republican party in general when it comes to addressing women:

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT), who was appearing on Wednesday morning’s CNN panel as a Romney surrogate, told Crowley that “it wasn’t necessarily your place to try to be fact checker right there. I happen to think that your assessment of that was wrong. … It’s not the role of the moderator to say, ‘Mr. President, you’re right.’”

30 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:55:34am

re: #23 Gus

Thanks for this.

You are welcome.

for what? I don't know.

31 Gus  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:56:04am

re: #30 ggt

You are welcome.

for what? I don't know.

For this post.

32 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:56:12am

re: #29 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

this is all you need to know about Romney, his surrogates, and the republican party in general when it comes to addressing women:

oh, I need a link for that.

33 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:56:53am

re: #31 Gus

For this post.

Always glad to contribute!

34 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:57:24am

re: #27 ggt

"They" say she'll resign just after the election --if/when Obama wins.

Kinda silly, it's as if they are admitting Obama is going to win.

It's all very stupid. Like the idea she'd support McCain in 2008 because of the hotly contested primary between her and Obama. She really is someone who understands the old mantra about nothing personal, only business.

35 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:57:58am

Yunno, regardless of which party wins this election, I am most certain that 2016 is going to go to the party *not* controlling the White House...simply for the fact that they were not there to preside over things unwravelling both domestically and abroad.

36 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:58:34am

Of course the right assumes in their hearts that Obama is in sympathy with the attackers. Over the years, their rhetoric has so cheapened and diluted the terminology that they are literally unable to distinguish among views different from their own. Their opponents, even other conservatives, are routinely referred to as "extreme liberals" and even "ultra-liberals." Anyone but a neo-confederate is a radical social experimenter. Anyone but a red-meat Randian capitalist is a Marxist. Anyone but a fundamentalist bigot is an Islamist or an atheist or (somehow) both. It is therefore impossible for them to distinguish real Marxists and Islamists from the targets of their invective. To them, Obama, Code Pink, and the Muslim Brotherhood are literally one and the same. They don't have the terms or the references to make a distinction.

37 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:59:28am

The longer I am sober, the more I recognize alcoholic thinking in others.

I see a lot of it on Fox News.

38 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 11:59:29am

re: #34 HappyWarrior

She really is someone who understands the old mantra about nothing personal, only business.

How else could her marriage have survived for so long?

/snark

39 blueraven  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:00:35pm

re: #29 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

this is all you need to know about Romney, his surrogates, and the republican party in general when it comes to addressing women:

That is such condescending bullshit.
Romney walked right up to Crowley and said "we need to have this on the record"
He was seeking verification.
Candy stated the facts.

40 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:01:24pm

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel

Of course the right assumes in their hearts that Obama is in sympathy with the attackers. Over the years, their rhetoric has so cheapened and diluted the terminology that they are literally unable to distinguish among views different from their own. Their opponents, even other conservatives, are routinely referred to as "extreme liberals" and even "ultra-liberals." Anyone but a neo-confederate is a radical social experimenter. Anyone but a red-meat Randian capitalist is a Marxist. Anyone but a fundamentalist bigot is an Islamist or an atheist or (somehow) both. It is therefore impossible for them to distinguish real Marxists and Islamists from the targets of their invective. To them, Obama, Code Pink, and the Muslim Brotherhood are literally one and the same. They don't have the terms or the references to make a distinction.

someone posted on FB a while back a picture of a ring Obama supposedly wears with arabic lettering on it that says some Muslim affirmation.

Like who the F cares.

41 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:01:28pm

re: #39 blueraven

That is such condescending bullshit.
Romney walked right up to Crowley and said "we need to have this on the record"
He was seeking verification.
Candy stated the facts.

And man was he pissed when the facts didn't support his bullshit.

42 erik_t  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:02:34pm

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel

To them, Obama, Code Pink, and the Muslim Brotherhood are literally one and the same. They don't have the terms or the references to make a distinction.

It's sort of an interesting test case for 1984, isn't it?

43 prairiefire  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:02:53pm

re: #37 ggt

The longer I am sober, the more I recognize alcoholic thinking in others.

I see a lot of it on Fox News.

I see a lot of Obsessive Compulsive Personality Disorder.

44 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:05:15pm

re: #29 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

"No place in the binder for YOU, hussy moderator. . ."//

45 recusancy  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:05:27pm

re: #40 ggt

someone posted on FB a while back a picture of a ring Obama supposedly wears with arabic lettering on it that says some Muslim affirmation.

Like who the F cares.

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

46 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:06:18pm

Weird, some lgf pages I can open and others just boot me back to the main page no matter how many times I try to open them. :(

47 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:07:05pm

So, the one thing I just can't stop thinking about is "Are you Binder worthy" being a catch phrase. . .

48 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:08:33pm

At least some religious conservatives remain singularly unconvinced of Obama's pro-Islamist leanings. That is the Taliban and its affiliates in Pakistan.

49 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:10:04pm

re: #47 DisturbedEma

So, the one thing I just can't stop thinking about is "Are you Binder worthy" being a catch phrase. . .

"You've earned a spot in my binder." Sounds like a line out of a horror movie.

50 Gus  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:11:13pm
51 Kragar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:12:23pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

"You've earned a spot in my binder." Sounds like a line out of a horror movie.

Or a fetish video.

52 Coracle  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:12:28pm

re: #35 AK-47%

I think that completely depends. If a real, full economic recovery within the US happens, regardless of who is President, I think there will be momentum to keep. If there's

53 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:13:20pm

re: #36 Shiplord Kirel

Of course the right assumes in their hearts that Obama is in sympathy with the attackers. Over the years, their rhetoric has so cheapened and diluted the terminology that they are literally unable to distinguish among views different from their own. Their opponents, even other conservatives, are routinely referred to as "extreme liberals" and even "ultra-liberals." Anyone but a neo-confederate is a radical social experimenter. Anyone but a red-meat Randian capitalist is a Marxist. Anyone but a fundamentalist bigot is an Islamist or an atheist or (somehow) both. It is therefore impossible for them to distinguish real Marxists and Islamists from the targets of their invective. To them, Obama, Code Pink, and the Muslim Brotherhood are literally one and the same. They don't have the terms or the references to make a distinction.

Liberal is their equivalent to infidel.

54 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:14:17pm

re: #51 Kragar

Or on a Seinfeld reunion show, since in Romney world, there will be no need for sponges of any kind outside the kitchen and bath. . . .

55 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:14:45pm

Hey Badhair, we call these people "Compulsive Gamblers" and it's an addiction, not something to admire.

56 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:15:25pm

re: #51 Kragar

The Binder does seem to be the final resting place for ambitious women in Romney world. . .women can get in, but never get out. . .

57 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:15:56pm
58 darthstar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:16:10pm

PSA for parents: How to talk to your 38 year old son about birtherism.

Sit your 38-year-old son down in a setting where he's comfortable, like the bar at Applebee's or a driving range.

Explain to your son that, despite what he may hear from the cool kids at the office or read on Facebook, President Obama was definitely born in the United States.

Be specific: mention the birth certificate, the hospital records, the newspaper announcements, etc. Don't worry about overwhelming your 38-year-old son with details, because, after all, he is 38 years old, and he should be able to handle it.

There are a few more...

I really hope Tommy Thompson sees this, and that his son's friends paste it all over his facebook wall. Pretty fucking hilarious.

59 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:16:23pm

re: #55 Sheila Broflovski

Well, he did head up companies that required bankruptcy protection on four separate occasions. He knows all about losing (other people's money). Would he be so reckless if he had to pony up his own money?

60 Kragar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:16:41pm

re: #56 DisturbedEma

The Binder does seem to be the final resting place for ambitious women in Romney world. . .women can get in, but never get out. . .

Welcome to the Hotel Romney's Binder...

61 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:16:53pm

re: #55 Sheila Broflovski

Hey Badhair, we call these people "Compulsive Gamblers" and it's an addiction, not something to admire.

[Embedded content]

I seem to recall Obama praising risk takers last night.
I'm almost positive...

62 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:16:58pm

re: #55 Sheila Broflovski

Hey Badhair, we call these people "Compulsive Gamblers" and it's an addiction, not something to admire.

What is never said is that people take a big risk with their money and can lose it all. We should be given credit for taking this risk.

Remember the 2008 meltdown and the concept of "moral risk"?

I assume Donald thinks that's some kind of board game.

63 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:17:52pm

re: #46 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Weird, some lgf pages I can open and others just boot me back to the main page no matter how many times I try to open them. :(

It may be related to the latency problem Charles is experiencing with the new data base server and the older web page server.

64 Kragar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:18:29pm

re: #62 AK-47%

Remember the 2008 meltdown and the concept of "moral risk"?

I assume Donald thinks that's some kind of board game.

Donnie's business ethics: YOLO!

65 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:20:01pm

re: #55 Sheila Broflovski

Hey Badhair, we call these people "Compulsive Gamblers" and it's an addiction, not something to admire.

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

What is never said is that people take a big risk with their money and can lose it all. We should be given credit for taking this risk.

Right, Donald Trump can lose it all. And when he does, he files for bankruptcy and lets someone else pay for it -- as he has done four times.

66 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:20:34pm

re: #45 recusancy

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

on my fb

thanks!

67 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:20:57pm

re: #60 Kragar

We hope you enjoy your stay since you will be here for awhile. . .if there is anything you need, flag your cv with the appropriate dulcet female tone and font, and you will be dealt with accordingly. . .

68 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:21:08pm
69 Kragar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:21:17pm

Barton Blames PFAW and Others for Creating 'Toxic" Environment Responsible for Christian Persecution

In August, the Liberty Institute and the Family Research Council released a joint report entitled "The Survey on Religious Hostility in America" which purported to be a "collection of more than 600 cases, detailing religious bigotry throughout America" ... but, for some reason, the incident they love to cite more than any other is a nearly twenty year old myth about an elementary school student who was supposedly yanked out of his seat and yelled at simply for praying before eating his lunch in the school cafeteria.

In reality, the student was disciplined for fighting in the lunch room in 1994 but the Religious Right continues to perpetuate this lie to this day. In fact, David Barton cites it repeatedly despite the fact that it is demonstrably false, and did so again today on "WallBuilders Live," as did the Liberty Institute's Kelly Shackelford, who was on the program to promote the report:

70 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:21:35pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Right, Donald Trump can lose it all. And when he does, he files for bankruptcy and lets someone else pay for it -- as he has done four times.

And he thinks people should admire him for doing that. Whatta douchenozzle.

71 kirkspencer  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:21:41pm

re: #18 ggt

I keep hearing "rumors" that Hillary is going to bail and start her behind-the-scenes campaign for 2016. Thus "they" are going to give Romney this round, so a Democrat can win in 2016.

Not that I would trust that in anyway shape or form.

About a year ago (more or less, going by memory) she announced that she was getting out of politics after this term. That if Obama won she'd resign as Secretary of State after the inauguration, and stay around only long enough to ensure a smooth transition to her successor. She emphasized then that she had no intention of running for president or any other office in 2016.

In 2016 she'll be 69, past the age when most people retire. Sure, a lot of politicians hold on past then, but I find myself wishing we could push a mandatory retirement act for Congress. She knows what a stress that top job is - watched her husband and Bush and Obama age, a LOT, in the short time they held the position. I really think she means it.

Now if Obama offered her a seat on the US Supreme Court, it might tempt her out of her retirement. But for a number of reasons I don't think that'll happen.

72 Gus  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:22:31pm

Trump. Who also made some of his riches through gambling -- i.e. casinos.

G-a-m-b-l-i-n-g.

73 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:23:53pm

re: #68 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

When is a cult not a cult? I did find this curious, because my friends who are very conservative Christians believe that Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are just as much cultish as Rev. Moon's followers. My neighbor is actually part of the Graham ministry, so I will have to ask her about this. . .

74 Gus  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:23:57pm

It's also interesting that Sheldon Adelson also made his riches through the gambling industry. An industry known for causing the destruction of lives many whom are poor.

75 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:24:05pm

re: #72 Gus

Trump. Who also made some of his riches through gambling -- i.e. casinos.

G-a-m-b-l-i-n-g.

But his business model is controlled bankruptcy, that is what I was referring to.

76 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:25:18pm

re: #73 DisturbedEma

In my experience any religion/sect that isn't the one a given person follows is a cult to that person. To me all religions are basically cults, some just have very large followings.

77 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:25:38pm
78 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:25:41pm

re: #47 DisturbedEma

So, the one thing I just can't stop thinking about is "Are you Binder worthy" being a catch phrase. . .

I'm worth the whole library!!!

And yes, I can drive a stick.

79 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:26:07pm

re: #53 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Liberal is their equivalent to infidel.

Literally.

80 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:26:18pm
81 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:27:19pm

re: #76 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Indeed. . .well put

82 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:28:22pm
83 darthstar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:28:51pm

re: #72 Gus

Speaking of gambling...in talking about the debate last night, I mentioned to my wife that President Obama is apparently a good poker player, to which she said, "Yes, I can see that." He definitely played his cards right last night, pulling out A-K suited with Benghazi, both in putting Mitt in his place for denigrating the state department and his administration as an insult, and then pocket aces on the last hand with the 47% closing remarks. He even took a 7-9 off-suit and bluffed out a win on the George Bush question - primarily because Romney got scared and threw away pocket queens.

84 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:30:56pm

re: #83 darthstar

Translation from Google not working. . .;)

85 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:31:45pm

re: #82 Sheila Broflovski

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Loony Toons. Th-Th-That's all folks.

86 Kragar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:31:47pm

re: #82 Sheila Broflovski

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The problem with living in the information age is there is no verification of that information.

87 Gus  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:32:10pm

I guess according to the wingnuts Obama should go out on national television and announce, "SUSPECTED MOOZLIM TERRORIST JIHADIST ARRESTED FOR PLOTTING TO BOMB TEH FED BECAUSE THEY HATE ARE FREEDUMS!!11TY"

Do it now Mr. President!!

//

88 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:33:15pm

re: #87 Gus

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I guess according to the wingnuts Obama should go out on national television and announce, "SUSPECTED MOOZLIM TERRORIST JIHADIST ARRESTED FOR PLOTTING TO BOMB TEH FED BECAUSE THEY HATE ARE FREEDUMS!!11TY"

Do it now Mr. President!!

//

My first no-information guess would be Ron Paul.

89 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:34:15pm

re: #83 darthstar

primarily because Romney got scared and threw away pocket binder queens.

FTFY

90 Gus  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:35:01pm

re: #88 wrenchwench

My first no-information guess would be Ron Paul.

My first guess is that the undercover FBI agent who tutored the suspect picked the target for him.

91 mr.fusion  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:36:10pm

re: #87 Gus

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I guess according to the wingnuts Obama should go out on national television and announce, "SUSPECTED MOOZLIM TERRORIST JIHADIST ARRESTED FOR PLOTTING TO BOMB TEH FED BECAUSE THEY HATE ARE FREEDUMS!!11TY"

Do it now Mr. President!!

//

No I think they want him to just go out there and shout the word "Terrorism!!!!!!" over and over and over. That will make things all better

92 Gus  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:36:45pm

The suspect, who was not immediately identified, was provided the explosives from an undercover FBI agent that he met on the Internet and believed to be an accomplice, the sources said.

The suspect raised red flags after posting about Jihad online, they said.

The agent made contact with the jihadist about three months ago. The suspect told him that he wanted to blow up the bank, the sources said.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

93 Gus  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:37:10pm

I can predict these things in my sleep. ;)

94 darthstar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:38:05pm

And I still want to know what the fuck Mitt was talking about on the AK-47 question:

And that is parents. We need moms and dads, helping to raise kids. Wherever possible the -- the benefit of having two parents in the home, and that's not always possible. A lot of great single moms, single dads. But gosh to tell our kids that before they have babies, they ought to think about getting married to someone, that's a great idea.

More word salad, and then he finally remembers he's supposed to be talking about guns and that there was a program called "Fast and Furious" that he was supposed to use as an attack, but instead he uses it as an afterthought...

The -- the greatest failure we've had with regards to -- to gun violence in some respects is what -- what is known as Fast and Furious. Which was a program under this administration, and how it worked exactly I think we don't know precisely, where thousands of automatic, and AK-47 type weapons were -- were given to people that ultimately gave them to -- to drug lords.

But Candy wasn't having any of that...

CROWLEY: Governor, Governor, if I could, the question was about these assault weapons that once were once banned and are no longer banned.

I know that you signed an assault weapons ban when you were in Massachusetts, obviously, with this question, you no longer do support that. Why is that, given the kind of violence that we see sometimes with these mass killings? Why is it that you have changed your mind?

Yes, point Obama, and Crowley gets an assist.

95 Sionainn  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:38:19pm

re: #82 Sheila Broflovski

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They sound exactly like the callers to the Las Vegas morning radio talk show...wingnuts.

96 erik_t  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:39:40pm

re: #94 darthstar

Also, too.

97 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:40:06pm

re: #94 darthstar

And I still want to know what the fuck Mitt was talking about on the AK-47 question:

More word salad, and then he finally remembers he's supposed to be talking about guns and that there was a program called "Fast and Furious" that he was supposed to use as an attack, but instead he uses it as an afterthought...

But Candy wasn't having any of that...

Yes, point Obama, and Crowley gets an assist.

Romney isn't going to touch the gun question. Fast and Furious has deep roots, IIRC.

98 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:40:57pm

Sympathy For the Plutocrat...

FTA:

Repeat after me. You sir, are a job creator and the richer you get, the better off my family will be. Regulation is bad, and the less of it we have, the better off my family will be. Never forget these things. And never forget that the rising inequality you see all around isn’t a sign of decay. It’s a sign of prosperity. Get with the program. Now. Or we will fire you.

99 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:41:04pm

re: #95 Sionainn

They sound exactly like the callers to the Las Vegas morning radio talk show...wingnuts.

There was one woman who called into CSPAN last night that was really unhinged. Hell who knows it could have been the woman quoted in this article. Anyhow, the lunatic was saying that the media didn't care about the dead diplomats and if the president had been a Republican blah blah blah. And then she went into a weird rant about how Democrats want to keep our kids dumb dumb dumb by supporting public schools and then she ragged on Obama and Rahm Emanuel for sending theirs ot private schools. But this wasn't even the weirdest part. She claimed that all successful African Americans were Republicans. It was just a crazy as shit rant much like the article. Lot of crazy people out there filled with hate.

100 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:41:36pm

re: #88 wrenchwench

My first no-information guess would be Ron Paul.

Could be a Paulian or militia member. Could be OWS. Might be Islamist. Paulian libertarian nutcase is probably the most likely but there are plenty of nuts around these days.

101 dragonfire1981  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:42:33pm

re: #94 darthstar

It's possible the "get married before you have kids" line was meant to conjure up images of kids in single parent homes growing up amid violence i.e. black people in the inner cities.

102 Kragar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:42:41pm

Romney Surrogate Calls Contraception A ‘Peripheral’ Issue

On MSNBC Wednesday, Kerry Healey, Mitt Romney’s Lieutenant Governor and a current surrogate for his campaign, called contraception a “peripheral” issue, and referred to women being denied contraception coverage because of religious objections a “hypothetical.”

Instead, she said, the focus of the campaign should be on the economy, because that’s “what women care about.” When pressed by host Andrea Mitchell on whether contraception is a “pocketbook issue,” Healey refused to say whether Romney supported employers’ right to deny their employees contraception coverage on religious grounds:

Hypothetical?

In abortion move, Kansas pharmacists can refuse some prescriptions

Pharmacist denies meds because religion

Rape victim can sue after being arrested and denied contraception

103 darthstar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:43:26pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Could be a Paulian or militia member. Could be OWS. Might be Islamist. Paulian libertarian nutcase is probably the most likely but there are plenty of nuts around these days.

And nobody hates the fed like uber-conservative Republicans (aka Libertarians).

104 Gus  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:44:07pm

This is interesting.

Quazi Mohammad Rezwanul Ahsan Nafis , 21, was arrested this morning in downtown Manhattan after he allegedly attempted to detonate what he believed to be a 1,000-pound bomb at the New York Federal Reserve Bank on Liberty Street in lower Manhattan's financial district.

But it really wasn't a 1,000 pound bomb. It was an imaginary bomb. They could have very well said it was a 10,000 pound bomb.

105 dragonfire1981  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:44:22pm
Instead, she said, the focus of the campaign should be on the economy, because that’s “what women care about.” When pressed by host Andrea Mitchell on whether contraception is a “pocketbook issue,” Healey refused to say whether Romney supported employers’ right to deny their employees contraception coverage on religious grounds.

Of course, having a baby in your belly is no big deal at all but jobs, now THAT's what matters!

106 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:44:40pm

New York Post: Terrorist attempts to blow up Federal Reserve Bank

A Middle Eastern man tried to blow up the Federal Reserve Bank in Lower Manhattan this morning, law-enforcement sources told the Post.

The terrorist parked a van filled with what he thought were explosives outside of the Liberty Street building, sources said, then tried to set them off using a cell phone detonator.

The suspect, who was not immediately identified, was provided the explosives from an undercover FBI agent that he met on the Internet and believed to be an accomplice, the sources said.

The suspect raised red flags after posting about Jihad online, they said.

The agent made contact with the jihadist about three months ago. The suspect told him that he wanted to blow up the bank, the sources said.

The suspect and the FBI agent planned the fake attack for months, sources said.

This morning, after parking the van, he went to the Millennium Hotel near the World Trade Center, where he called the cell phone in the van.

It did not explode, and he was arrested by federal agents.

The terrorist was the only one arrested, sources said.

107 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:44:48pm

re: #102 Kragar

Romney Surrogate Calls Contraception A ‘Peripheral’ Issue

Hypothetical?

In abortion move, Kansas pharmacists can refuse some prescriptions

Pharmacist denies meds because religion

Rape victim can sue after being arrested and denied contraception

Yeah what the hell is she talking about. Sheesh Romney's advisers are either really dishonest or that out of touch with reality.

108 darthstar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:44:52pm

re: #101 dragonfire1981

It's possible the "get married before you have kids" line was meant to conjure up images of kids in single parent homes growing up amid violence i.e. black people in the inner cities.

True, but Mitt did a shitty job of making that connection, and it came out like another example of how those darn uteruses with legs need a man in the house to prevent their spawn from growing up to be Mexican drug lords.

109 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:45:20pm
110 Kragar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:46:06pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

Yeah what the hell is she talking about. Sheesh Romney's advisers are either really dishonest or that out of touch with reality.

Both.

111 Gus  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:46:14pm

Another largely manufactured terrorist incident.

112 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:46:45pm

re: #109 JamesWI

Meanwhile.....the right wing is attacking the young woman who asked the question about pay inequality. Yep, no war on women here!

Harassing people who ask questions they don't like. A right wing treat ever since Michelle Malkin organized the harassment of the kid who testified in favor SCHIP in the Bush years. Really, these people are fucking ghouls. And they have the nerve to act like the left are the real "hateful" ones. Look at your selves, you fucking dickheads.

113 dragonfire1981  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:46:49pm

re: #107 HappyWarrior

Yeah what the hell is she talking about. Sheesh Romney's advisers are either really dishonest or that out of touch with reality.

Something I noticed in the debate last night and in the comments from the Romney Rep there is they seem to be focused on beating the economy/jobs drum as loud and as much as possible between now and Nov. 6. I'd assume that's because that's the issue Romney is considered to be stronger on.

It's actually quite funny to see them turn EVERY issue into a referendum on the Economy.

114 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:46:59pm

re: #110 Kragar

Both.

Agreed.

115 erik_t  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:47:13pm

re: #104 Gus

This is interesting.

But it really wasn't a 1,000 pound bomb. It was an imaginary bomb. They could have very well said it was a 10,000 pound bomb.

Well, most vans with a 10,000 pound weight inside won't really, like, move.

116 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:47:26pm

re: #99 HappyWarrior

There was one woman who called into CSPAN last night that was really unhinged. Hell who knows it could have been the woman quoted in this article. Anyhow, the lunatic was saying that the media didn't care about the dead diplomats and if the president had been a Republican blah blah blah. And then she went into a weird rant about how Democrats want to keep our kids dumb dumb dumb by supporting public schools and then she ragged on Obama and Rahm Emanuel for sending theirs ot private schools. But this wasn't even the weirdest part. She claimed that all successful African Americans were Republicans. It was just a crazy as shit rant much like the article. Lot of crazy people out there filled with hate.

Yeah, I've been participating in a fb politics page--some of what is posted is sheer insanity. I almost wonder if the posters are trolling. Seriously-alternative universe stuff.

117 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:47:29pm
118 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:47:37pm

re: #104 Gus

This is interesting.

But it really wasn't a 1,000 pound bomb. It was an imaginary bomb. They could have very well said it was a 10,000 pound bomb.

That is interesting...

According to the criminal complaint filed today in the Eastern District of New York, defendant Nafis, a Bangladeshi national, traveled to the United States in January 2012 for the purpose of conducting a terrorist attack on U.S. soil.

Nafis, who reported having overseas connections to al-Qaeda, attempted to recruit individuals to form a terrorist cell inside the United States. Nafis also actively sought out al-Qaeda contacts within the United States to assist him in carrying out an attack. Unbeknownst to Nafis, one of the individuals he attempted to recruit was actually a source for the FBI.

Looks like his Al Qaeda connections weren't that good since he wound up getting his "bomb" from the feds.

119 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:47:42pm

re: #108 darthstar

True, but Mitt did a shitty job of making that connection, and it came out like another example of how those darn uteruses with legs need a man in the house to prevent their spawn from growing up to be Mexican drug lords.

So they have somebody they can go home to at 5:00 to make a sammich for.

120 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:47:45pm

re: #108 darthstar

True, but Mitt did a shitty job of making that connection, and it came out like another example of how those darn uteruses with legs need a man in the house to prevent their spawn from growing up to be Mexican drug lords.

This was a central part of Rick Santorum's thesis that America's economic decline is tied to its moral decline and the rise in the number of single parents.

Was Mitt trying to play to that audience or was he just floundering?

121 leftynyc  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:47:55pm

re: #55 Sheila Broflovski

Hey Badhair, we call these people "Compulsive Gamblers" and it's an addiction, not something to admire.

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This slimy maggot never risked his own money - only other people's and then left them holding the bag when he declared bankruptcy. Another one whose face I wont miss after this election.

122 Gus  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:48:05pm

re: #115 erik_t

Well, most vans with a 10,000 pound weight inside won't really, like, move.

Of course. OK, it could have been a dirty bomb. Perhaps a suitcase nuclear bomb.

123 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:48:20pm
124 dragonfire1981  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:48:38pm

re: #108 darthstar

True, but Mitt did a shitty job of making that connection, and it came out like another example of how those darn uteruses with legs need a man in the house to prevent their spawn from growing up to be Mexican drug lords.

It's a religious thing as well. Most Christian denominations teach the only way true, proper Godly children can be raised is with a loving mother AND father in the house. A single parent, no matter how dedicated he or she may be, just can't make it.

I don't necessarily agree with those beliefs or think they are 100 percent in line with what the Bible says, but that's the common teaching.

125 leftynyc  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:48:52pm

re: #108 darthstar

True, but Mitt did a shitty job of making that connection, and it came out like another example of how those darn uteruses with legs need a man in the house to prevent their spawn from growing up to be Mexican drug lords.

Funny - all it did for me was remind me of Bristol Palin.

126 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:48:56pm

re: #116 ggt

Yeah, I've been participating in a fb politics page--some of what is posted is sheer insanity. I almost wonder if the posters are trolling. Seriously-alternative universe stuff.

I remember there was a 2008 facebook app. This was back when facebook was still mostly college students. The Ron Paul supporters. My God. I still remember getting called a sheep because I said we have no idea what the Founders would say about foreign policy because 2008 is a different world than the world of the late 18th century.

127 dragonfire1981  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:49:15pm

re: #117 JamesWI

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Ay, No Es Bueno.

128 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:49:29pm

re: #100 Killgore Trout

Could be a Paulian or militia member. Could be OWS. Might be Islamist. Paulian libertarian nutcase is probably the most likely but there are plenty of nuts around these days.

Just so you know, I was joking.

129 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:49:37pm

re: #39 blueraven

That is such condescending bullshit.
Romney walked right up to Crowley and said "we need to have this on the record"
He was seeking verification.
Candy stated the facts.

Romney so wanted a Perry Mason moment, he seemed visibly pissed when Crowley corrected his ass.

130 darthstar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:50:12pm

re: #128 wrenchwench

Just so you know, I was joking.

Paulians don't joke.

131 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:50:21pm

re: #127 dragonfire1981

Ay, No Es Bueno.

Big surprise.....It's from Sheriff Joe's county.

132 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:50:26pm

re: #129 MittDoesNotCompute

Romney so wanted a Perry Mason moment, he seemed visibly pissed when Crowley corrected his ass.

He's a man who hates being told he's wrong. That's long been my impression and his pissy response to Libya verified it.

133 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:51:04pm

re: #68 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Billy Graham website admits removing Mormons from list of cults after endorsing Romney

LOL

RAH RAH TEAM meets Shit Sandwich in supporting Romney...

134 Gus  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:51:10pm

How to create a terrorist incident.

1. Find crazy guy on the internet making threats and using extremist rhetoric.

2. Send undercover FBI agent to befriend said crazy guy.

3. Develop a close relationship with crazy guy and instigate even more. Create complicated plan for bomb plot. Provide unlimited "imaginary resource" for said crazy guy. Tell him you nave a 1,000 pound.

4. Pull off plans with fake bomb.

5. Arrest the crazy guy in a plot you helped create.

The end.

135 Kragar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 12:51:23pm

re: #123 ggt

CONTRACEPTION IS AN ECONOMIC ISSUE!!!!

I can scream this till I pass-out and still it would fall on deaf ears. WTF???

You mean being forced to carry a child to term, deliver the child, taking time off of work to do so, then choosing either give it up for adoption or raising the child might have economic consequences for the mother/family?

When did that shit start?
///

136 allegro  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 1:01:54pm

re: #129 MittDoesNotCompute

Romney so wanted a Perry Mason moment, he seemed visibly pissed when Crowley corrected his ass.

None of his gotchas worked, to my delight. I loved Obama's response when Romney got into his face and asked all snotty and demanding-like "have you looked at your pension? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT YOUR PENSION?" The audience laughter was the cherry on the sundae, making Romney look even more foolish. It was golden.

137 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 1:04:24pm

re: #136 allegro

None of his gotchas worked, to my delight. I loved Obama's response when Romney got into his face and asked all snotty and demanding-like "have you looked at your pension? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT YOUR PENSION?" The audience laughter was the cherry on the sundae, making Romney look even more foolish. It was golden.

God he looked like such an ass doing that. There was many a moment last night where I just wished someone whether it be Obama, Crowley, or even someone in the audience told Mitt to shut the hell up and stop acting like a baby.

138 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 1:05:29pm

re: #134 Gus

How to create a terrorist incident.

1. Find crazy guy on the internet making threats and using extremist rhetoric.

2. Send undercover FBI agent to befriend said crazy guy.

3. Develop a close relationship with crazy guy and instigate even more. Create complicated plan for bomb plot. Provide unlimited "imaginary resource" for said crazy guy. Tell him you nave a 1,000 pound.

4. Pull off plans with fake bomb.

5. Arrest the crazy guy in a plot you helped create.

The end.

Do you really think Obama is allowing the government to frame mentally ill foreigners from Muslim countries for manufactured terrorist plots?

139 darthstar  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 1:05:43pm

re: #136 allegro

None of his gotchas worked, to my delight. I loved Obama's response when Romney got into his face and asked all snotty and demanding-like "have you looked at your pension? HAVE YOU LOOKED AT YOUR PENSION?" The audience laughter was the cherry on the sundae, making Romney look even more foolish. It was golden.

That was just Mitt Romney's way of saying, "Hello America, I'm a dick."

140 mr.fusion  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 1:14:30pm

re: #129 MittDoesNotCompute

Romney so wanted a Perry Mason moment, he seemed visibly pissed when Crowley corrected his ass.

I don't know if I've ever seen any candidate for President look as dickish as he did when he raised his eyebrows at the President of the United States when he thought he caught him in a lie. That was almost unbearable for me

141 Patricia Kayden  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 1:51:56pm

So just for the sake of argument what difference would it make if President Obama took 14 days to call the Libya incident terrorism? What if based on the information he received, he wanted to investigate the matter before concluding that it was terrorism? What's the scandal in that?
After 9/11/2001, did the Democrats point fingers at the Bush administration and accuse Bush Officials of being careless, negligent, etc.? I don't recall that happening. Wonder why Republicans cannot rally around the President and support his efforts to bring justice for the four Americans killed in Libya.
Sad and pathetic, indeed.

142 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 1:57:22pm

re: #141 Patricia Kayden

So just for the sake of argument what difference would it make if President Obama took 14 days to call the Libya incident terrorism? What if based on the information he received, he wanted to investigate the matter before concluding that it was terrorism? What's the scandal in that?

It's a COVER-UP! Don't you see? Obama covered up that he's a secret Muslim sympathizer, out to contaminate our precious bodily fluids with stealth shariah, who had to stop himself from handing out candy after the attack.

143 Olsonist  Wed, Oct 17, 2012 3:02:21pm

It helps to send the Politifact author, John Greenberg, an email. I did. You might mention that President Obama used the phrase Acts of Terror in the Rose Garden remarks, in Golden and in Las Vegas. He also never mentioned a video or any demonstrations.

His email address is jonzgreenberg@gmail.com


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Baghdad, Iraq (CNN) -- Extremists occupying large swaths of Iraq and Syria have issued a threat to Iraqi Christians in the city of Mosul: accept Islam, pay extra taxes to Islamic Sharia courts or face "death by the sword." ...

1 week ago
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Thrazidun
Paris: Jews Fight Back Against Islamist Mob - Jewish World - News - Arutz Sheva
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GlutenFreeJesus
Gotta love Chicago
Admittedly, I only started following these guys in the past year or two. They have been in the Chicago scene for awhile. And I kick myself after every show for not following them sooner. For any fans of Led Zeppelin, ...

1 week ago
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 Frank says:

Ugly as I mights be, I am your futum!