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An Incredible Film From NASA: Gradient Sun

Coronal loops and magnetic fields
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Watching a particularly beautiful movie of the sun helps show how the lines between science and art can sometimes blur. But there is more to the connection between the two disciplines: science and art techniques are often quite similar, indeed one may inform the other or be improved based on lessons from the other arena. One such case is a technique known as a “gradient filter” — recognizable to many people as an option available on a photo-editing program. Gradients are, in fact, a mathematical description that highlights the places of greatest physical change in space. A gradient filter, in turn, enhances places of contrast, making them all the more obviously different, a useful tool when adjusting photos. Scientists, too, use gradient filters to enhance contrast, using them to accentuate fine structures that might otherwise be lost in the background noise. On the sun, for example, scientists wish to study a phenomenon known as coronal loops, which are giant arcs of solar material constrained to travel along that particular path by the magnetic fields in the sun’s atmosphere. Observations of the loops, which can be more or less tangled and complex during different phases of the sun’s 11-year activity cycle, can help researchers understand what’s happening with the sun’s complex magnetic fields, fields that can also power great eruptions on the sun such as solar flares or coronal mass ejections.

The images here show an unfiltered image from the sun next to one that has been processed using a gradient filter. Note how the coronal loops are sharp and defined, making them all the more easy to study. On the other hand, gradients also make great art. Watch the movie to see how the sharp loops on the sun next to the more fuzzy areas in the lower solar atmosphere provide a dazzling show.

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319 comments

1 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:14:37pm

Full screen @ 720p is the way to go on this one. Amazing stuff.

2 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:17:35pm

Science works.

3 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:21:10pm

It is beautiful. The sun looks as though it is a living being.

4 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:25:21pm

Speaking of the heavens, if you have clear skies tonight:

Orionid meteor shower promises a weekend treat

5 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:26:08pm
The images here show an unfiltered image from the sun next to one that has been processed using a gradient filter.

OMG Layerz!

6 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:28:16pm

That looks fantastic in 720p expanded.

7 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:31:42pm

Science is a lie.
When I go outside, and look at the sun, I don't see all that stuff !
I'm so clever...

8 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:36:08pm

We lover our coal:

Ryan campaigns for coal votes in eastern Ohio and western Pennsylvania

Campaigning in the heart of coal country Saturday, vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan made a direct play for the voters in western Pennsylvania and eastern Ohio whose livelihoods depend on energy production by charging that President Obama is waging a "war on coal."

"Over a hundred coal plants are scheduled to close costing us thousands of jobs. Just a month ago we lost 1,200 coal jobs in states like Pennsylvania, West Virginia and Virginia," Ryan said during an airport rally in Moon Township, Pa., near Pittsburgh. "Not only are these policies wrong, not only do these policies cost us jobs, not only do they mean that American energy dollars go to the Middle East... they are keeping us from having jobs, they are keeping us from making our pay checks stretch farther." Ryan made the same points an hour's drive away in the eastern Ohio town of Belmont, and urged voters to cast their ballots early.

[...]

Wait... closing coal plants here in the US means "American energy dollars go to the Middle East"???

Are we replacing coal powered automobiles with those fancy new ones using liquids???

Of course not. Coal powered electricity generation is being replaced by natural gas powered plants, natural gas that is drilled in North America.

But let's not let reason stand in our way, shall we?

9 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:39:48pm

I ain't related to no monkeys, no sir, but some folks who are tried to tell me how they done this. Them monkeys was smart, I wish now I was related to 'em. What's that you so? Well, I'll be damned. Howdy, monkey brothers and sisters, can I start learning somethin' now?

10 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:40:01pm

From Left Coast Voter:

Mitt Romney Venn Diagram

11 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:40:33pm

BTW all this imaging and data acquisition was done with by SOHO, launched by an Atlas IIAS rocket in 1995. People like the idea that we need a manned space program because it's romantic and they grew up thinking that having humans in space signaled some kind of accomplishment in and of itself. However the the real science now a days gets done by robots directed by scientists and engineers on the ground.

12 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:42:02pm

re: #11 goddamnedfrank

BTW all this imaging and data acquisition was done with by SOHO, launched by an Atlas IIAS rocket in 1995. People like the idea that we need a manned space program because it's romantic and they grew up thinking that having humans in space signaled some kind of accomplishment in and of itself. However the reality is that the real science now a days gets done by robots directed by scientists and engineers on the ground.

Why did men climb Everest when a robot could have just flown up there and planted a flag? Why send men to the Moon when robots had been there years earlier?

13 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:43:10pm

re: #9 Shiplord Kirel

So true.
If evolution were real, how's come we don't see no half-man, half-monkey?

14 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:43:52pm

re: #13 Reverend Mother Ramallo

So true.
If evolution were real, how's come we don't see no half-man, half-monkey?

///
Just in case.
I heard that one at the natural history museum.

15 engineer cat  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:45:36pm

gradient

by a very unlikely coincidence, i was just now reading a page long disquisition on this very word in a book i'm reading. this person does not intend to practise "Writing" as an art, but i like one of his sentences:

"boredom girls are a kind of random, casual, and pointless-talk band of girl"

16 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:47:44pm

re: #12 Targetpractice

Why did men climb Everest when a robot could have just flown up there and planted a flag? Why send men to the Moon when robots had been there years earlier?

Manned exploration had it's time and it's long past. Nowadays rich assholes who want to die or risk permanent frostbite damage pay a fortune to climb Everest and wealthy douche bags like Richard Branson look to market civilian space joy rides to other millionaires. Engineers and scientists, being naturally inclined to get shit done, build and send robots.

17 engineer cat  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:48:27pm

re: #13 Reverend Mother Ramallo

So true.
If evolution were real, how's come we don't see no half-man, half-monkey?

if evolution is real, how come amazon love robots haven't established a rebel colony on mars built by the men they've enslaved?

18 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:50:09pm

re: #16 goddamnedfrank

Manned exploration had it's time and it's long past. Nowadays rich assholes who want to die or risk permanent frostbite damage pay a fortune to climb Everest and rich douche bags like Richard Branson look to market civilian space joy rides to other millionaires. Engineers and scientists, being naturally inclined to get shit done, build and send robots.

Engineers and scientists build robots because they're not being paid to send men. The cost to send a man to the Moon is significantly higher than sending a robot, because the robot doesn't need an atmosphere, doesn't need to be fed or watered, doesn't need to worry about becoming progressively weaker or more brittle due to microgravity, and can be allowed to expire in the cold depths of space because nobody's worried about returning it.

Can you tell me that the wealth of technological innovation that came out of the Space Race was not worth the cost of sending men to the Moon?

19 God of Binders with Women  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:50:59pm

What awesome special effects, making the sun look so powerful and stuff!!!

20 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:52:43pm

re: #17 engineer cat

if evolution is real, how come amazon love robots haven't established a rebel colony on mars built by the men they've enslaved?

Oh, they will.
But evolution has nothing to do with it.
That is part of Obama's sharia law inspired plan to take over the known universe in the name of Buddha.

21 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 2:55:07pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

I love my Velcro and my Fisher Space Pen.

22 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:01:01pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

Engineers and scientists build robots because they're not being paid to send men. The cost to send a man to the Moon is significantly higher than sending a robot, because the robot doesn't need an atmosphere, doesn't need to be fed or watered, doesn't need to worry about becoming progressively weaker or more brittle due to microgravity, and can be allowed to expire in the cold depths of space because nobody's worried about returning it.

Can you tell me that the wealth of technological innovation that came out of the Space Race was not worth the cost of sending men to the Moon?

Jesus that's ridiculous. We sent men because our computer science and robotics skills were still in their infancy. I'm not addressing the past of the space program, I'm addressing it's clear cut and obvious future. People are too expensive now, comparatively unreliable, and we get emotionally attached to them as a society so when they die it fucks us up. People, now, offer few if any advantages and come with massive liabilities. Computers, now, are comparably much more capable, reliable, affordable and expendable. If the Curiosity Rover had smashed into Mars flags wouldn't have flown at half staff around the country, people would be a bit bummed and get on with their lives. We can't possibly keep men on Mars for years at a time with no game plan for a return trip. Rovers don't need to eat, they don't require psychological exams and they don't get emotionally involved with each other.

We should just give up on the idea that we'll need astronauts anytime in the near future. Until we're completely serious about creating a permanent colony / settlement on the moon we should forget about them entirely.

23 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:01:47pm

re: #13 Reverend Mother Ramallo

So true.
If evolution were real, how's come we don't see no half-man, half-monkey?

Check people of Walmart.

We're getting there.

24 engineer cat  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:03:41pm

re: #23 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Check people of Walmart.

We're getting there.

nobody said evolution can only go in one direction

25 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:04:08pm

re: #24 engineer cat

nobody said evolution can only go in one direction

At least Steven Hawking had children when he could.

26 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:04:09pm

re: #23 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Check people of Walmart.

We're getting there.

This is why I don't go there on the day after Thanksgiving.

27 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:04:19pm

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

Jesus that's ridiculous. We sent men because our computer science and robotics skills were still in their infancy. I'm not addressing the past of the space program, I'm addressing it's clear cut and obvious future. People are too expensive now, comparatively unreliable, and we get emotionally attached to them as a society so when they die it fucks us up. People, now, offer few if any advantages and come with massive liabilities. Computers, now, are comparably much more capable, reliable, affordable and expendable. If the Curiosity Rover had smashed into Mars flags wouldn't have flown at half staff around the country, people would be a bit bummed and get on with their lives. We can't possibly keep men on Mars for years at a time with no game plan for a return trip. Rovers don't need to eat, they don't require psychological exams and they don't get emotionally involved with each other.

We should just give up on the idea that we'll need astronauts anytime in the near future. Until we're completely serious about creating a permanent colony / settlement on the moon we should forget about them entirely.

Should we have given up on the Moon until we felt the technology was mature enough to make stays there permanent?

28 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:05:06pm

Right wing outfits are proclaiming that Romney is surging in polls.

It's "Romney's race to lose" declares PJM.

Of course these same people are trying to push for more people to read Atlas Shrugged.

Then over on WND Dick Morris and others are pushing that there will be an "October surprise" where Obama cuts a deal with Iran which will somehow lead to the destruction of the US or something.

29 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:07:31pm

re: #28 freetoken

Right wing outfits are proclaiming that Romney is surging in polls.

It's "Romney's race to lose" declares PJM.

Of course these same people are trying to push for more people to read Atlas Shrugged.

Then over on WND Dick Morris and others are pushing that there will be an "October surprise" where Obama cuts a deal with Iran which will somehow lead to the destruction of the US or something.

They're all relying on Gallup, which Nate Silver pointed out the other day is not only outside the rest of the pack, but is not historically significant because Gallup has previously showed polls with violent swings in the numbers that were way off the final tally.

30 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:08:54pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

There are some other new polls that show Romney ahead in Ohio.

It's all smoke and mirrors.

31 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:09:04pm

re: #28 freetoken

Right wing outfits are proclaiming that Romney is surging in polls.

It's "Romney's race to lose" declares PJM.

Yeah, but you know how they are. The HuffPo poll tracker, updated 2 hours ago, has it:

Barack Obama - 47.2%
Mitt Romney - 46.8%

[Link: elections.huffingtonpost.com...]

32 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:09:10pm

re: #13 Reverend Mother Ramallo

So true.
If evolution were real, how's come we don't see no half-man, half-monkey?

Image: Crocoduck.jpg

33 God of Binders with Women  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:10:16pm

re: #28 freetoken

Right wing outfits are proclaiming that Romney is surging in polls.

It's "Romney's race to lose" declares PJM.

Of course these same people are trying to push for more people to read Atlas Shrugged.

Then over on WND Dick Morris and others are pushing that there will be an "October surprise" where Obama cuts a deal with Iran which will somehow lead to the destruction of the US or something.

Little Dick Morris (this is the guy that wrote checks to hookers, but the Faux News loons still give this clown air time) predicted months ago that Romney would win in a landslide, also winning Pennsylvania and Ohio. When his predictions do not come true on Election Day, I want him frog-marched naked into the streets and flogged in public. /kidding...sort of

34 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:12:11pm

Just think--the Sun's been doing that for over 5000 years.

35 engineer cat  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:12:58pm

re: #22 goddamnedfrank

computer science and robotics are still in their infancy. actually, science in general is still in its infancy. on the other hand, this means people who live in the present time have a chance to have a big impact on the evolution of science

back in 1985 when i was starting out as a professional computer programmer i used to remind my colleagues that computer science was in its infancy. they would say "but ten years ago computers were the size of refrigerators and you had to use punchcards, but today a computer is no bigger than a small suitcase and we have DOS"

36 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:13:28pm

re: #27 Targetpractice

Should we have given up on the Moon until we felt the technology was mature enough to make stays there permanent?

No, what part of I'm not addressing the past didn't you get?

I'm saying is that astronauts are now antiquated, hallmarks of a bygone era like whale oil and shoe store x-ray machines. We shouldn't plan on resurrecting the profession until we're ready to permanently settle a colony.

37 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:13:42pm

re: #34 Decatur Deb

Just think--the Sun's been doing that for over 5000 years.

And will continue to do so until 1:45PM January 1, 2013.

38 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:13:53pm

re: #32 Varek Raith

Image: Crocoduck.jpg

So that's the missing link between dino's and birds...
Amazing!
(forehead, meet desk.)

39 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:14:35pm

re: #37 Varek Raith

And will continue to do so until 1:45PM January 1, 2013.

Intrade says 23.9%.

40 God of Binders with Women  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:15:12pm

re: #34 Decatur Deb

Just think--the Sun's been doing that for over 5000 years.

BUT IT WON'T MAKE IT PAST MIDNIGHT ON ELECTION DAY IF OBAMA WINS!!! GOD'S PUNISHMENT!!!

41 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:15:58pm

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

No, what part of I'm not addressing the past didn't you get?

I'm saying is that astronauts are now antiquated, hallmarks of a bygone era like whale oil and shoe store x-ray machines. We shouldn't plan on resurrecting the profession until we're ready to permanently settle a colony.

And I'm saying part of the drive to get there and settle is getting there in the first place. If we wait for decades for the technology to be deemed "ready" to settle, we send the first crew of settlers, and they're killed on liftoff or touchdown, then what? You think America's gonna wanna try again until it gets it right?

42 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:16:23pm

re: #17 engineer cat

if evolution is real, how come amazon love robots haven't established a rebel colony on mars built by the men they've enslaved?

Are you so sure they haven't?

43 JamesWI  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:16:40pm

Ohio's biggest newspaper:

44 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:17:33pm

You know what else ain't gonna be around for too much longer, piloted fighter planes. We're already way past the point where the machines we build can withstand g forces that would pulp any human occupant.

45 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:17:41pm

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

No, what part of I'm not addressing the past didn't you get?

I'm saying is that astronauts are now antiquated, hallmarks of a bygone era like whale oil and shoe store x-ray machines. We shouldn't plan on resurrecting the profession until we're ready to permanently settle a colony.

Human nature says otherwise.

46 Gus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:18:30pm

re: #28 freetoken

Right wing outfits are proclaiming that Romney is surging in polls.

It's "Romney's race to lose" declares PJM.

Of course these same people are trying to push for more people to read Atlas Shrugged.

Then over on WND Dick Morris and others are pushing that there will be an "October surprise" where Obama cuts a deal with Iran which will somehow lead to the destruction of the US or something.

47 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:18:45pm

re: #41 Targetpractice

And I'm saying part of the drive to get there and settle is getting there in the first place. If we wait for decades for the technology to be deemed "ready" to settle, we send the first crew of settlers, and they're killed on liftoff or touchdown, then what? You think America's gonna wanna try again until it gets it right?

For a generation or so after Magellan, the chance of surviving a round-trip from London to Malacca was something like 2:3.

48 AK-47%  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:18:50pm

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

No, what part of I'm not addressing the past didn't you get?

I'm saying is that astronauts are now antiquated, hallmarks of a bygone era like whale oil and shoe store x-ray machines. We shouldn't plan on resurrecting the profession until we're ready to permanently settle a colony.

We don't need astronoauts the same way we stopped needing Pony Express riders as soon as we completed the transcontinental telegraph...

49 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:19:23pm

re: #44 goddamnedfrank

You know what else ain't gonna be around for too much longer, piloted fighter planes. We're already way past the point where the machines we build can withstand g forces that would pulp any human occupant.

Yes, and guided missiles mean no more dogfighting and ICBMs mean the end of the manned bomber.

//

50 God of Binders with Women  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:19:35pm

re: #43 JamesWI

Ohio's biggest newspaper:

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In this digital age, do people even pay attention to newspaper endorsements anymore? I read an article in USA Today about how in 2000, 48% read a paper daily. Today? Try 27%.

51 TDG2112  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:19:37pm

re: #7 Reverend Mother Ramallo

The next time you get into it with someone who tells you some aspect of Science "doesn't make sense" just remember, it doesn't.

We can't sense X-rays our sight, touch, taste, hearing or smell! But we know they are there. Same with Radio waves, UV light, and a million other things that science has shown us.

At the root of it, that is what the phrase "That doesn't make sense" means! You can't See, touch, taste, hear smell something that doesn't make sense!

52 Gus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:19:46pm

Iranian officials have insisted that the talks wait until after the presidential election, a senior administration official said, telling their American counterparts that they want to know with whom they would be negotiating.

53 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:19:50pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

Yes, and guided missiles mean no more dogfighting and ICBMs mean the end of the manned bomber.

//

See the F-4.
/

54 engineer cat  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:20:12pm

re: #36 goddamnedfrank

No, what part of I'm not addressing the past didn't you get?

I'm saying is that astronauts are now antiquated, hallmarks of a bygone era like whale oil and shoe store x-ray machines. We shouldn't plan on resurrecting the profession until we're ready to permanently settle a colony.

what do you all think: is humankind destined to colonize other planets or otherwise live beyond earth?

55 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:20:47pm

Also, PC gaming is dying.
/

56 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:21:29pm

re: #54 engineer cat

what do you all think: is humankind destined to colonize other planets or otherwise live beyond earth?

If there's a way to make a buck out of it.

57 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:22:05pm

Now that I have gzip compression fully set up on the new web server, check out the stats on this page right here, and how much faster the page can be sent to your browser:

Image: ZZ77897B54.jpg

58 JamesWI  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:22:10pm

re: #50 God of Binders with Women

In this digital age, do people even pay attention to newspaper endorsements anymore? I read an article in USA Today about how in 2000, 48% read a paper daily. Today? Try 27%.

But it does reach a crucial group of people who don't follow the election constantly on the internet like us: the elderly. It could possibly be worth a around a percentage point or so, and in this race, that could be the deciding margin.

59 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:22:13pm

re: #54 engineer cat

what do you all think: is humankind destined to colonize other planets or otherwise live beyond earth?

I think colonization is gonna be a long, slow process that is gonna rely in large part on government efforts. The private sector's investing in "safe" bets, and putting a bunch of vacationers on the Moon isn't one at this time.

60 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:22:37pm

re: #56 Decatur Deb

If there's a way to make a buck out of it.


Astronomers spot "diamond planet"

NEXT!

61 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:23:13pm

re: #35 engineer cat

computer science and robotics are still in their infancy. actually, science in general is still in its infancy. ...

Hmmm... I think I'll disagree with that. The problems we're having as a society is a reflection of what it means to be H. sapiens, and one of the symptoms is the rejection of the results of scientific endeavors, rejections in which many participate on some level.

This in turn is important because, and this is my impression and not something I can rigorously prove, concepts in abstract thinking are hitting a wall wrt. humans (as we are now evolved.)

The past few decades have seen our society flooded with new variations on gadgets, but not with brand new ideas.

Adding more people to do more research could make up for the hitting-the-wall in individual thinking ability (IOW, make up with quantity what we don't have in quality), but that appears now to be too costly for our society to bear.

That's why the LHC is probably the end of the line in high energy machines.

And that's why human space travel is probably at an end, too.

It's all another reason why I think we need to allow genetic engineering of humans - we have to develop our successors faster, if they are to achieve that about which we can only dream.

62 AK-47%  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:23:17pm

re: #60 Varek Raith


Astronomers spot "diamond planet"

NEXT!

When do they spot the "Girl's Best Friend Planet"?

63 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:23:22pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Nothing like nice shiny new hardware. Congrats on a smooth transition.

64 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:24:47pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Now that I have gzip compression fully set up on the new web server, check out the stats on this page right here, and how much faster the page can be sent to your browser:

Image: ZZ77897B54.jpg

This is good, right? Where's my jet pack?

65 Gus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:25:23pm

re: #64 Decatur Deb

This is good, right? Where's my jet pack?

Jet pack is a lie.

66 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:25:49pm

re: #64 Decatur Deb

On Sphinx with my counter grav belt. //

67 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:25:55pm

Among the many things I think we ought to try and engineer into our successors is increased long term memory, more interconnections between parts of the brain, and widen the spectrum detected by our eyes.

That'd be a good start.

68 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:25:57pm

re: #64 Decatur Deb

This is good, right? Where's my jet pack?

You'll get your jet pack when I get my flying car.

69 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:26:11pm

Stats for the main Javascript file:

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And for the jquery-utilities file, which contains plugins and extensions:

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70 TDG2112  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:26:13pm

A good page to show what NASA does for the Economy, Society and Culture:

[Link: www.ridingwithrobots.org...]

71 JamesWI  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:29:40pm

So, now that Iran has agreed to 1-on-1 nuclear talks, who wants to bet Romney tries to take credit for it in the debate?

72 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:30:04pm

re: #68 Varek Raith

You'll get your jet pack when I get my flying car.

Can only imagine the airspace over Alabama when Bubba gets his flying car.

73 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:30:13pm

My headache is gone finally. I don't think it was related to Lebanon.

However, I have had a burning question. I the past month or so that many of the people who made my life hard at OU were Engineering Majors. In addition, I also noticed that slimeball Morsi was an Engineer, and Engineering seems to be a big thing in Iran, if the names of the parties are to be believed. And the 2 creationists I met at college were both Chemical Engineers.

My question is: Is this just a pile of coincidences, or am I missing something?

74 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:30:18pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Now that I have gzip compression fully set up on the new web server, check out the stats on this page right here, and how much faster the page can be sent to your browser:

Image: ZZ77897B54.jpg

Time to increase the size of the pics we can upload?

75 Gus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:31:17pm

Must replace portable heating unit. BBL

76 engineer cat  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:31:45pm

re: #61 freetoken

"There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now, All that remains is more and more precise measurement."

lord kelvin, 1890

77 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:32:02pm

The other day I reported on the rumor that San Diego real estate tycoon and wingnut supporter Doug Manchester, who already bought the SD Union-Tribune, is looking at buying the big Tribune news company, which owns the LA Times among others.

Well, now:

News Corp says reports of talks with LA Times, Tribune are false

News Corp said on Saturday reports that it is in discussions with Tribune Co or the Los Angeles Times are "wholly inaccurate."

The Los Angeles Times newspaper reported on Friday that News Corp Chairman and CEO Rupert Murdoch is looking to buy the Los Angeles Times and Chicago Tribune, two of the country's largest newspapers, when owner Tribune Co emerges from bankruptcy.

[...]

I'm wondering if the Tribune Co. people floated that News Corp rumor, to try and get a higher price out of Manchester?

In any case, if the Tribune company falls into the hands of the wingnut puppet masters then another American journalism outfit will have fallen.

78 The Ghost of a Flea  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:32:57pm

re: #72 Decatur Deb

Can only imagine the airspace over Alabama when Bubba gets his flying car.

People don't drive well enough to deserve an extra spatial dimension.

79 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:32:59pm

re: #76 engineer cat

I'm not saying there is nothing new to discover.

What I'm saying is that we humans are hitting the limit on our ability to deal with abstraction (individually) and with complexity (societally.)

80 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:33:12pm

re: #77 freetoken

Ok, by Real-Estate Tycoon, do you mean Property Speculator?

81 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:33:45pm

re: #80 ProGunLiberal

Ok, by Real-Estate Tycoon, do you mean Property Speculator?

And more. He likes to call himself a "developer".

82 God of Binders with Women  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:34:34pm

re: #81 freetoken

And more. He likes to call himself a "developer".

Developer of twisted minds, yes.

83 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:35:36pm

re: #81 freetoken

So, in summary, he is one of the clowns who helped detonate the economy back in 2007-2008. Why should he be speaking on things economic and politics then?

I am genuinely curious about the Engineer thing.

84 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:35:51pm

re: #78 The Ghost of a Flea

People don't drive well enough to deserve an extra spatial dimension.

Twice, I've taken a motorcycle through a situation that I think involved wormholes. Came out the other side, don't know how.

85 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:36:14pm

re: #82 God of Binders with Women

Developer of twisted minds, yes.

Rupert Murdoch wanna-be.

86 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:37:25pm

re: #51 TDG2112

The next time you get into it with someone who tells you some aspect of Science "doesn't make sense" just remember, it doesn't.

We can't sense X-rays our sight, touch, taste, hearing or smell! But we know they are there. Same with Radio waves, UV light, and a million other things that science has shown us.

At the root of it, that is what the phrase "That doesn't make sense" means! You can't See, touch, taste, hear smell something that doesn't make sense!


What doesn't make sense, is the belief in an all powerful being, that created the entire universe(s), and yet is concerned in trivial minutia of hairless monkeys.
That's generally my response.

87 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:38:12pm

re: #83 ProGunLiberal

He's better known for his local politics, here in California:

San Diego developer, Doug Manchester donated $125,000 to Proposition 8.[7] Manchester owns the Manchester Grand Hyatt Hotel, Southern California’s largest hotel. His early support of Proposition 8 caused an immediate response from gay-rights organizations including GLAAD, which canceled any events that were to be held at the hotel. Californians Against Hate initiated a boycott against the hotel on July 18, 2008, along with the hotel worker’s union, Unite Here! Local 30. Even though Manchester is the owner of and developer of the Manchester Grand Hyatt, the Global Hyatt Corporation has made an attempt to separate his views from that of the managing corporation.[8][dead link] Californians Against Hate estimates that the boycott is costing the Hyatt property $1 million per month.[2] Hotel Marketing Director, Kelly Commerford, confirmed that cancellations resulting directly from the boycott had cost the hotel $7 million just in the first 8 months. This figure does not include estimates for those who choose other accommodations due to the boycott.

He bought the SDUT and turned it from being a middle-of-the-road outfit into a Hate-on-Obama outlet.

88 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:38:25pm

re: #86 Reverend Mother Ramallo

What doesn't make sense, is the belief in an all powerful being, that created the entire universe(s), and yet is concerned in trivial minutia of hairless monkeys.
That's generally my response.

BUT! I R SPAYSHUL!!!11!

89 God of Binders with Women  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:39:12pm

re: #87 freetoken

He's better known for his local politics, here in California:

He bought the SDUT and turned it from being a middle-of-the-road outfit into a Hate-on-Obama outlet.

A little bit of hate-on-Obama propaganda never hurt anyone.
/

90 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:39:41pm

re: #87 freetoken

Ah, I see. Charming fellow, that one. Where is CL?

Also, hope I didn't offend with post #73.

91 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:40:04pm

re: #86 Reverend Mother Ramallo

What doesn't make sense, is the belief in an all powerful being, that created the entire universe(s), and yet is concerned in trivial minutia of hairless monkeys.
That's generally my response.

The universe, the hundreds of billions of galaxies each with hundreds of billions of stars were all created for those hairless monkeys.

Arrogance? What arrogance.

92 engineer cat  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:40:31pm

re: #79 freetoken

I'm not saying there is nothing new to discover.

What I'm saying is that we humans are hitting the limit on our ability to deal with abstraction (individually) and with complexity (societally.)

re: #79 freetoken

I'm not saying there is nothing new to discover.

What I'm saying is that we humans are hitting the limit on our ability to deal with abstraction (individually) and with complexity (societally.)

what makes you say that?

93 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:41:23pm

re: #91 Gangnam Style

The universe, the hundreds of billions of galaxies each with hundreds of billions of stars were all created for those hairless monkeys.

Arrogance? What arrogance.

Only for some of us. Most of you are unter-monkeys.

94 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:41:53pm

re: #74 Gangnam Style

Time to increase the size of the pics we can upload?

Well, actually that doesn't have much to do with this particular thing (the image files are already compressed so they don't go through gzip), but I think you're hinting at something.

I was thinking about increasing that size, as a matter of fact, since there's a lot more space on this server.

95 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:42:54pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

Well, actually that doesn't have much to do with this particular thing (the image files are already compressed so they don't go through gzip), but I think you're hinting at something.

I was thinking about increasing that size, as a matter of fact, since there's a lot more space on this server.

Better take that up with the hamster shop-steward.

96 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:44:08pm

re: #91 Gangnam Style

I think life is more common than we think.

I would think it is a very, very good chance of something on Mars, Europa, Titan, and Enceladus.

I wouldn't count out Triton or Pluto, and the last one has already proven to be a bizarre place. I wish New Horizons could get there faster.

97 CuriousLurker  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:46:24pm

re: #90 ProGunLiberal

Ah, I see. Charming fellow, that one. Where is CL?

I'm around, been mostly lurking lately.

Left you a message in a dead thread last night. Welcome back.

98 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:48:33pm

re: #97 CuriousLurker

Good to see you. Praying for a miracle in Syria and Lebanon.

Also hoping Allah will speed New Horizons up, but that's way down the list. I don't know if I can wait another 3 years.

99 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:49:45pm

re: #96 ProGunLiberal

I think life is more common than we think.

I would think it is a very, very good chance of something on Mars, Europa, Titan, and Enceladus.

I wouldn't count out Triton or Pluto, and the last one has already proven to be a bizarre place. I wish New Horizons could get there faster.

Oh, I agree with you. I think life is ubiquitous out there. I was playing the creationist, who think everything is about them, in that comment.

100 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:51:35pm

re: #99 Gangnam Style

True, but I used it to state my thoughts on it.

As you all can tell, I think Pluto is the Most Interesting Planetary Body in the Solar System.

101 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:52:57pm

re: #100 ProGunLiberal

I don't have photoshop, so can one of you get a picture of the Most Interesting Man in the World, and photoshop Pluto where his head is?

102 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:53:12pm

re: #100 ProGunLiberal

True, but I used it to state my thoughts on it.

As you all can tell, I think Pluto is the Most Interesting Planetary Body in the Solar System.

It's full of Dos Equis?

103 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:54:20pm
104 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:55:06pm

re: #99 Gangnam Style

Oh, I agree with you. I think life is ubiquitous out there. I was playing the creationist, who think everything is about them, in that comment.

That's where I'm coming from.
Just to be clear, I'm not saying there is no God, but I think people are too self-important.

105 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:55:43pm

Mmm-kay, the max image size has been increased to 400K. (400 x 1024 bytes.)

106 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:56:12pm

You'll have to reload the page before trying it, though.

107 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 3:56:37pm

re: #102 Gangnam Style

It has the Ice. :P

The reason it holds my attention is the 5 moons (Four of which must have been captured,) and the contrastiveness of its surface. From Charcoal Black, to Icy White, to the Orange Hue of Io. Pluto has the surface look of a Calico Cat.

108 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:02:34pm

re: #107 ProGunLiberal

It has the Ice. :P

The reason it holds my attention is the 5 moons (Four of which must have been captured,) and the contrastiveness of its surface. From Charcoal Black, to Icy White, to the Orange Hue of Io. Pluto has the surface look of a Calico Cat.

I'm thinking Europa is the most likely place for life outside of the Goldilocks zone. I think Mars has a good chance of supporting microbes.

109 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:04:35pm

re: #108 Gangnam Style

Same thinking. But you have to admit, Pluto is a rather strange place from what we know right now. I have high expectations of New Horizons.

110 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:11:09pm

Testing bigger upload...

Hummingbird Feeding

Looked in Preview, that's fantastic Charles. No need to even link to my blog for embiggen, just page at this size. You have made this photogs day.

111 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:12:18pm

re: #110 Daniel Ballard

That is a beautiful picture of hummers.

112 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:13:27pm

These were previously too big. Slideshow style!

Kittybunkport

Presta

Schrader

113 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:13:40pm

re: #110 Daniel Ballard

Testing bigger upload...

Hummingbird Feeding

Looked in Preview, that's fantastic Charles. No need to even link to my blog for embiggen, just page at this size. You have made this photogs day.

Nice shot!

114 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:13:48pm

re: #111 PhillyPretzel

Thanks. Tomorrow we go to see the Cleopatra exhibit and (maybe) the space shuttle. If they will let me use my 7D, I'm going for it. Extra motivated now.

115 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:15:42pm

re: #110 Daniel Ballard

Testing bigger upload...

Hummingbird Feeding

Looked in Preview, that's fantastic Charles. No need to even link to my blog for embiggen, just page at this size. You have made this photogs day.

Is that a drip of nectar on the beak of the one in flight?

116 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:15:43pm

re: #109 ProGunLiberal

Same thinking. But you have to admit, Pluto is a rather strange place from what we know right now. I have high expectations of New Horizons.

You're talking to the wrong guy about choosing one solar object over any other. I'm fascinated by them all, even little Pluto. I wish we could send landers to the majority of them.

117 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:15:48pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

Those pictures are neat. The cats are perfect.

118 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:16:33pm

re: #111 PhillyPretzel

That is a beautiful picture of hummers.

I don't see the big knobby tires.

119 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:17:02pm

re: #118 Gangnam Style

lol.

120 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:17:09pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

Hmm, slideshow doesn't seem to work. Checking.

121 AK-47%  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:17:42pm

re: #117 PhillyPretzel

Those pictures are neat. The cats are perfect.

we obviously have different ideas about what comprises the "perfect cat"...

/

122 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:17:50pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

These were previously too big. Slideshow style!

Kittybunkport

Presta

Schrader

Cute little kitties.

The smug one looks like our cat 'Jack'.

123 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:18:01pm

re: #120 Charles Johnson

Hmm, slideshow doesn't seem to work. Checking.

Worked in Preview.

124 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:18:55pm

re: #113 Charles Johnson

Thank you. Okay can't wait to mention-Preordering the now confirmed Canon7D Mark II ASAP. Our little media company has been busy. Heck of a camera-10 frames per second.

125 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:19:30pm

re: #122 Gangnam Style

Cute dog food.

The dog would lose its nose first....

126 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:19:31pm

re: #122 Gangnam Style

Cute dog food.

ROTLMAO

127 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:19:51pm

re: #115 wrenchwench

Yes I think so.

128 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:21:47pm

re: #123 wrenchwench

Worked in Preview.

I fixed my comment for you. ;P

129 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:22:55pm

re: #122 Gangnam Style

Cute little kitties.

The smug one looks like our cat 'Jack'.

Thanks!

130 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:23:00pm

re: #123 wrenchwench

Worked in Preview.

Got it. Reload and it works.

131 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:25:12pm

re: #112 wrenchwench

These were previously too big. Slideshow style!

Kittybunkport

Presta

Schrader

The reflection in the glass of Presta oops Schrader is really cool.

132 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:26:21pm

re: #124 Daniel Ballard

Thank you. Okay can't wait to mention-Preordering the now confirmed Canon7D Mark II ASAP. Our little media company has been busy. Heck of a camera-10 frames per second.

Confirmed?

I know that Canon recently announced the 6D ( a 24x36mm sensor is a slightly less expensive body than the 5DII ).

133 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:28:47pm

re: #131 Daniel Ballard

The reflection in the glass of Presta Schrader is really cool.

FTFY (and thanks! I love that one).

Which is which

134 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:29:27pm

re: #132 freetoken

My dealer spoke to his Canon rep. Word is they will stop making the 7D and 6D in favor of this new model. Unconfirmed details-Twin digic 5 processors. Clean HDMI out for cinematography. 20 maybe 21 megapixel. They say expect an official announcement in January. What tempts me instead in the 5D Mark II which is being bargain priced to move for the gifting season.

135 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:31:07pm

re: #134 Daniel Ballard

Um, the 6D was just announced. How could they "stop making it"?

136 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:31:19pm

U.S. Officials Say Iran Has Agreed to Nuclear Talks

There is still a chance the initiative could fall through, even if Mr. Obama is re-elected. Iran has a long history of using the promise of diplomacy to ease international pressure on it. In this case, American officials said they were uncertain whether Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, had signed off on the effort. The American understandings have been reached with senior Iranian officials who report to him, an administration official said.

Even if the two sides sit down, American officials worry that Iran could prolong the negotiations to try to forestall military action and enable it to complete critical elements of its nuclear program, particularly at underground sites. Some American officials would like to limit the talks to Iran’s nuclear program, one official said, while Iran has indicated that it wants to broaden the agenda to include Syria, Bahrain and other issues that have bedeviled relations between Iran and the United States since the American hostage crisis in 1979.
.....
Even with possible negotiations in the offing, there is no evidence Iran has slowed its fuel production. It continues to make nuclear fuel and has refused to allow international inspectors into key sites. Any negotiation with Iran, American officials say, would have to include highly intrusive inspection regimes.

It''l be interesting to see how this plays out in the debates and how Mitt responds but I think it's very unlikely to result in any sort of agreement.

137 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:34:26pm

re: #136 Killgore Trout

U.S. Officials Say Iran Has Agreed to Nuclear Talks

It''l be interesting to see how this plays out in the debates and how Mitt responds but I think it's very unlikely to result in any sort of agreement.

ba109470
sounds like this deal is showing how low obozo will bow to kiss the ring of those in the Arab world. Wonder if his chin is getting scraped from bowing so low.

How else would you expect?

138 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:34:49pm

Ooops, not so fast
White House denies report US, Iran agreed to one-one-talks

The White House on Saturday denied a report in the New York Times that said the Obama administration had agreed to one-on-one talks with Iran on its nuclear program.

National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor said in a statement the United States would continue to work with fellow permanent members of the UN Security Council to resolve the issue.

"It's not true that the United States and Iran have agreed to one-on-one talks or any meeting after the American elections," the statement said.

"We continue to work with the P-5 (five permanent members of the UN Security Council) on a diplomatic solution and have said from the outset that we would be prepared to meet bilaterally."

139 engineer cat  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:36:42pm

In discussing how he prepares for the debates, Romney said his strategy was to "find the biggest available straw man and mercilessly attack it"

i must say i have to give mr romney points for truthfullness and accuracy there

140 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:37:09pm

re: #137 freetoken

How else would you expect?

Of course the wingnuts reaction is predictable, I was wondering about Mitt. If the story is true, which it now seems it may not be, it does present him with a delicate situation. I think the 24 hour rule applies here.

141 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:38:47pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

Of course the wingnuts reaction is predictable, I was wondering about Mitt. If the story is true, which it now seems it may not be, it does present him with a delicate situation. I think the 24 hour rule applies here.

Mitt needs the wingnuts; he'll play to them. Take that WND bilge and just prettify it - that'll be Mitt.

142 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:38:47pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

24 hour rule? Need moar time. The 24 hour rule sure came up short in Libya. Everything there is layers of layers of influences and circumstances.

143 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:40:10pm

re: #124 Daniel Ballard

Thank you. Okay can't wait to mention-Preordering the now confirmed Canon7D Mark II ASAP. Our little media company has been busy. Heck of a camera-10 frames per second.

Neat. I've been mostly playing with my new to me camera - a 1952 Rolleicord III :) Not as fast but that 6x6cm sensor is a killer LOL.

Image: Scan-121017-0008.jpg

The write once flexible memory strip is pretty cool too...

144 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:40:57pm

re: #142 Daniel Ballard

24 hour rule? Need moar time. The 24 hour rule sure came up short in Libya. Everything there is layers of layers of influences and circumstances.

On this maybe 48 hours until the weekend is over. This one should be easy to sort out. It is odd that the NYT, citing senior Obama officials, could manage to blow a story like this.

145 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:42:10pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

Ooops, not so fast
White House denies report US, Iran agreed to one-one-talks

They Denied It!!! That's how you know it's real!!

146 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:43:17pm

re: #145 Decatur Deb

Seekrit sharia negotiations!

147 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:45:26pm

It did seem odd to agree to one on one negotiations, leaving out Germany, France, et al. I wonder if the NYT was relying more on Iranian sources than American ones. It does seem fishy.

148 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:47:54pm

The Guardian is trying to make it a close horse race:

Republicans dare to believe in President Mitt Romney

149 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:50:49pm

re: #143 William Barnett-Lewis

Thats great. Nice tones. I fell in love with that 120 film when I borrowed the Pentax 645 for the Grand Canyon trip.

150 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 4:55:29pm

Is there much of a chance the surge in Romney's poll numbers is due to early voting being predominately Democrat?

I couldn't see anywhere in the questions asked by the pollsters, but are they stopping the survey when they come across someone who has already voted?

151 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:00:09pm

re: #150 Gangnam Style

Some are crediting Lee Iacocca's endorsement of Romney for changing a few minds in the rust belt.

I think it is quite clear that this poll-madness has more to do with selling stories than in analyzing reality.

152 Gus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:00:45pm
153 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:02:38pm

It seems the NYT fucked up somehow.
White House denies nuclear report

“It’s not true that the United States and Iran have agreed to one-on-one talks or any meeting after the American elections,” White House National Security Council Spokesman Tommy Vietor said in a statement.

“The President has made clear that he will prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon, and we will do what we must to achieve that. It has always been our goal for sanctions to pressure Iran to come in line with its obligations. The onus is on the Iranians to do so, otherwise they will continue to face crippling sanctions and increased pressure."

154 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:02:40pm

re: #152 Gus

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Good stuff.

155 Gus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:04:15pm

U.S. Officials Say Iran Has Agreed to Nuclear Talks - NYTimes.com
www.nytimes.com/.../iran-said-ready-to-talk-to-us-about-nuclear-pro...
2 hours ago – The White House publicly denied the report on Saturday evening. “It's not true that the United States and Iran have agreed to one-on-one talks ...

156 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:06:03pm

For those not keeping up with the "alternative"/racist right (and it'd be understandable if you avoided that whole swamp), I'm noticing a turn towards anarcho-narcissism among some of the writers.

A definite cross of dourness and violent imagery looms large in their writings.

What will they do if Obama is re-elected? And even more so, as the US population continues to become less Anglo, what will be the atavists next step?

157 Gus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:07:29pm

Anyone want the Freeper link?

//

End times baby!

158 Killgore Trout  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:09:04pm

NYT still has the story on their front page
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
No corrections. I guess whoever in the newsroom who hasn't been fired yet has fled the building.

159 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:15:11pm

re: #158 Killgore Trout

NYT still has the story on their front page
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
No corrections. I guess whoever in the newsroom who hasn't been fired yet has fled the building.

....

160 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:16:01pm

re: #157 Gus

Anyone want the Freeper link?

//

End times baby!

Icky.

Whatever you do, don't let a freeper touch you.

161 Stoatly  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:16:53pm

re: #32 Varek Raith

Image: Crocoduck.jpg

For some reason makes me think of:

(Which I heard this morning on BBC 6Music)

162 Gus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:17:29pm

re: #160 Gangnam Style

Icky.

Whatever you do, don't let a freeper touch you.

They're fundraising too.

Image: Guns_God_Country_Flag.jpg

I don't remember. Was FR always so World Nut Daily like? Are they getting weirder with age perhaps? I know that's a quite the challenge.

163 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:18:24pm

Just watching a CFL football game between Calgary and Hamilton. Calgary just sacked the Hamilton quarterback and then one of the Calgary players did a little Gangnam style dance.

I laughed.

164 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:19:56pm

re: #156 freetoken

For those not keeping up with the "alternative"/racist right (and it'd be understandable if you avoided that whole swamp), I'm noticing a turn towards anarcho-narcissism among some of the writers.

A definite cross of dourness and violent imagery looms large in their writings.

What will they do if Obama is re-elected? And even more so, as the US population continues to become less Anglo, what will be the atavists next step?

More RW projection.
They always want to say that black people are going to riot if Obama loses, when it looks like that's exactly what they want to do if Mitt loses.

165 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:20:19pm

re: #162 Gus

They're fundraising too.

Image: Guns_God_Country_Flag.jpg

I don't remember. Was FR always so World Nut Daily like? Are they getting weirder with age perhaps? I know that's a quite the challenge.

They've been like that since at least 2004, but at that time their attention was split between a number of issues. Having a black POTUS has just given them focus.

166 Only The Lurker Knows  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:21:44pm

re: #163 Gangnam Style

BSU trounced UNLV 32-7

167 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:22:59pm

re: #164 Reverend Mother Ramallo

I do worry about some fool taking a shot at him.

168 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:24:04pm

re: #167 Daniel Ballard

I do worry about some fool taking a shot at him.

Yep.
I've been worried since Jan. 2009.

169 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:24:53pm

Not sure you all saw this, but Clay Shirkey gave Charles a shout out in an article that is getting wide play:


Shirky: ‘We are indeed less willing to agree on what constitutes truth’

Contrast the situation a decade later. In 2004, when CBS News based a “60 Minutes Wednesday” story about President Bush’s time in the National Guard. Like the Elmer-DeWitt story, the CBS story was based on faked documents; like Elmer-DeWitt story, the forgery was discovered not by CBS itself or another professional media outlet, but by media outsiders working on the Internet; like the Elmer-DeWitt story, CBS spent most of its energy trying to minimize its lapse.

Unlike the Elmer-DeWitt story, however, the strategy didn’t work. Charles Johnson, blogging at Little Green Footballs, produced an animated graphic demonstrating that the nominally typewritten documents from the early 1970s were actually produced using the default font in Microsoft Word. By 2004, Internet use had become so widespread that the Time magazine tactic of writing off Internet users as a cranky niche was ineffective; Johnson’s work was so widely discussed that CBS couldn’t ignore it. When they finally did respond, CBS admitted that the documents were forged, that they did not check their authenticity carefully enough, that their defense of the reporters involved compounded the error, and that the lapse was serious enough to constitute a firing offense for the senior-most people involved, including Mary Mapes; Dan Rather resigned after some delay.

[...]

170 dragonath  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:25:53pm

re: #137 freetoken

Uh, Iran isn't Arab.

171 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:27:45pm

re: #170 dragonath

Uh, Iran isn't Arab.

You're asking too much.

172 Only The Lurker Knows  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:29:09pm

re: #171 freetoken

You're asking too much.

From a freeper/wnd fruitcake.

BTW, that was aimed at the idiot post you linked to

173 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:31:02pm

Shirkey's conclusion in that article:

Now, and from now on, journalists are going to be participants in a far more argumentative sphere than anything anyone alive has ever seen. The question for us is not whether we want this increase in argumentation — no one is asking us, and there is, in fact, no one who could ask us — but rather how we adapt ourselves to it as it unfolds. And the two tools we’re most practiced at using — scarcity of public speech, and force applied to defectors from mainstream consensus — are getting less viable every day.

Kind of scary in a way.

174 bubba zanetti  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:31:11pm

re: #57 Charles Johnson

Does anyone else see that image fade in and out? After a couple of seconds, the close icon disappears, the image starts to fade away, and then it fades back in and the close icon reappears.

I also can't post pages - the page hangs on

function hashTags(a){a=a.replace(/s+/ig," ")

with a

Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'replace' of undefined

and since it hangs, jQuery never binds any of the actions to the buttons.

Snow Leopard with Chrome.

175 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:32:54pm

re: #174 bubba zanetti

Does anyone else see that image fade in and out?...

No.

176 Gus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:34:18pm

re: #174 bubba zanetti

Does anyone else see that image fade in and out? After a couple of seconds, the close icon disappears, the image starts to fade away, and then it fades back in and the close icon reappears.

I also can't post pages - the page hangs on

function hashTags(a){a=a.replace(/s+/ig," ")

with a

Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'replace' of undefined

and since it hangs, jQuery never binds any of the actions to the buttons.

Snow Leopard with Chrome.

It's alive! Yep. It's pulsating.

177 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:35:19pm

re: #174 bubba zanetti

Does anyone else see that image fade in and out? After a couple of seconds, the close icon disappears, the image starts to fade away, and then it fades back in and the close icon reappears.

I also can't post pages - the page hangs on

function hashTags(a){a=a.replace(/s+/ig," ")

with a

Uncaught TypeError: Cannot call method 'replace' of undefined

and since it hangs, jQuery never binds any of the actions to the buttons.

Snow Leopard with Chrome.

Freaky.
Halloween is just around the corner.

178 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:35:47pm

re: #176 Gus

It's alive! Yep. It's pulsating.

That's what she said.

179 Only The Lurker Knows  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:36:05pm

re: #174 bubba zanetti

Yep. I see it as well. windows 7 Safari 5.1.7

180 Gus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:36:10pm

re: #178 Gangnam Style

That's what she said.

Throbbing.

//

181 ozbloke  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:38:02pm

re: #174 bubba zanetti

and since it hangs, jQuery never binds any of the actions to the buttons.

Snow Leopard with Chrome.

Ahh, need advice on binds, binders or binding, call 1-800-ROMNEY

182 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:39:50pm

re: #176 Gus

It's alive! Yep. It's pulsating.

Interesting. I also note that the picture I posted from my Google Picassaweb account is not doing that, so presumably it's from the LGF hamsters not running hard enough...

183 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:40:15pm

re: #174 bubba zanetti

Should be fixed now.

184 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:41:05pm

Could someone 'splain to me what lady-parts has to do with element 79?

Saudi women banned from working in gold industry

On top of a driving ban and the many other restrictions women in Saudi Arabia face has been added another deprivation.

UAE-based business site Mubasher reports that the kingdom's National Committee for Precious Metals and Gems appointed by the country's chamber of business has decided – after a study of the pros and cons – that women would not be allowed to work in the gold industry.

The Committee found that including women in the gold industry is not feasible, saying that it will limit the gold trade and even be "disastrous" for investments in the gold sector.

[...]

185 Gus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:41:44pm

re: #183 Charles Johnson

Should be fixed now.

Still has a heart beat on my end.

186 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:43:21pm

re: #184 freetoken

Could someone 'splain to me what lady-parts has to do with element 79?

Saudi women banned from working in gold industry

I love gooold!
What, are they afraid the ladies wouldn't be able to resist?

187 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:43:30pm

re: #184 freetoken

Could someone 'splain to me what lady-parts has to do with element 79?

Saudi women banned from working in gold industry

They're overcome by the shininess and prone to theft.
///

188 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:44:19pm

re: #184 freetoken

It is Saudi being its usual close minded self. /

189 prairiefire  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:47:01pm

re: #186 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Me, too. I do not know what all the white gold and platinum baloney is about. It needs to be goolddd.

190 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:47:25pm

re: #188 PhillyPretzel

It is Saudi being its usual close minded self. /

Protecting their phoney baloney jobs privileged positions.

191 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:47:59pm

re: #190 Gangnam Style

That is possible too.

192 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:49:30pm

Ok, the pulsing picture problem is fixed too. As usual, you must reload.

193 Only The Lurker Knows  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:49:53pm

re: #185 Gus

Same here. Even after a page reload.

194 Gus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:50:28pm

re: #192 Charles Johnson

Ok, the pulsing picture problem is fixed too. As usual, you must reload.

Fixed on my end now.

195 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:50:45pm

re: #185 Gus

Still has a heart beat on my end.

I was talking about his Javascript error. But now the pulsing is fixed too.

196 Gus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:50:47pm

re: #193 Only The Lurker Knows

Same here. Even after a page reload.

Try a ctl + F5 again.

197 Gus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:51:13pm

re: #195 Charles Johnson

I was talking about his Javascript error. But now the pulsing is fixed too.

Ah.

198 Only The Lurker Knows  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 5:51:30pm

Reloaded again. Problem gone,

199 Gus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:01:10pm
200 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:03:05pm

Speaking of gold:

Long-standing Gold Fields mine strike ends in South Africa

Miners ended a strike at South African bullion producer Gold Fields on Friday, while President Jacob Zuma pledged to speed up investment to ease grievances fuelling the worst labor unrest since apartheid.

But a month-long strike at Anglo American Platinum, the world’s top producer of the precious metal, showed no sign of ending. Workers were also still off the job at Harmony Gold’s Kusasalethu mine. With the government calling on miners to return to work, companies have become emboldened to issue sacking ultimatums to thousands of illegal strikers, a hard-ball negotiating tactic that appears to be having some effect. Gold Fields, the world’s No. 4 producer, said about 11,000 miners, threatened with dismissal unless they went back by Thursday, had returned to work after a month-long stoppage at its KDC West operations in Carletonville, 40 km (25 miles) west of Johannesburg. It said another 1,500 workers who had not turned up for work had until early next week to report, or lose their jobs.

About 15,000 workers have been fired in the past two weeks, although analysts say most are likely to be re-hired because of the huge cost and time required to recruit replacements. About 35,000 miners, or about 7 percent of the industry’s total workforce, are on strike and facing threats of dismissal, although roughly the same number have returned to work. Mining firms are expected to use the strife to scale down less-profitable operations, leading ultimately to job losses and causing headaches for Zuma’s ruling ANC, which has made reducing chronic unemployment a priority. Miners’ pay has risen steadily since the end of apartheid but poverty is entrenched in the rural areas from which most come. As wages have increased, so have the number of dependents, with a typical miner’s salary now supporting eight to 10 relatives.

“The failure to invest in basic services in black communities over the decades of colonial oppression and apartheid is a critical element in the persistence of inequality today,” Zuma told a conference on infrastructure development. He said the government would speed up its $100 billion plans to build more houses for the poor, roads, schools and other infrastructure in an effort to alleviate the rural poverty that engulfs much of the nation.

Come Monday's "foreign policy" "debate" I expect most of the questions and time allotment to be spent on chest-beating and war mongering, mostly over the Middle East. A little bit of time may be spent on China or Mexico. The rest of the world probably won't exist.

201 mr.fusion  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:03:34pm

Not sure if this has been posted yet, but AMAZING news today

Link

European astronomers say that just outside our solar system they've found a planet that's the closest you can get to Earth in location and size. It is the type of planet they've been searching for across the Milky Way galaxy and they found it circling a star right next door -- 25 trillion miles away.

But the Earth-like planet is so hot its surface may be like molten lava. Life cannot survive the 2,200 degree heat of the planet, so close to its star that it circles it every few days.

Astronomers said it's likely there are other planets circling the same star, a little farther away where it may be cool enough for water and life. And those planets might fit the not-too-hot, not-too-cold description sometimes call the Goldilocks Zone. That means that in the star system Alpha Centauri B, a just-right planet could be closer than astronomers had once imagined.

[...]

Stephane Udry of the Geneva Observatory, who heads the European team, said this means "there's a very good prospect of detecting a planet in the habitable zone that is very close to us."

And one of the European team's main competitors, Geoff Marcy of the University of California, Berkeley, gushed even more. "This is an historic discovery," he said. "There could well be an Earth-size planet in that Goldilocks sweet spot, not too cold and not too hot, making Alpha Centauri a compelling target to search for intelligent life."

Harvard planet-hunter David Charbonneau and others used the same word to describe the discovery: "Wow."

202 bubba zanetti  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:07:05pm

re: #195 Charles Johnson

Nope, still get the same error.
function hashTags(a){if(""!=a&&"undefined"!=a)

a isn't a string containing 'undefined', it's undefined. You need to use typeof(a) if you're going to test against that string.

Pulsating images are fixed though for me.

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:08:56pm

re: #24 engineer cat

nobody said evolution can only go in one direction

Evolution does go in only one direction. Forward. But there's no moral value in that, only change. A gorilla is just as much a product of evolution as we are.

The woman from "Parable of the Sower" does have a certain point with her 'God is change' thing.

204 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:09:09pm

re: #202 bubba zanetti

Oops, you're exactly right. Try it now.

205 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:11:17pm

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

Evolution also goes nowhere, as in the Red Queen effect. In one generation, a certain set of genes related to immune system will be selected for since they're more resistant against parasites. Then the parasites adapt, and the next generation selects for a different set. But the sets normally don't change dramatically over change, just selecting from various existent variations.

206 bubba zanetti  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:12:49pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

Ah, ambrosia. All good.

207 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:13:17pm

When the going gets tough (for a CEO), the tough get... to go somewhere else?

Anglo Platinum CEO, 3 More Bow Out Amidst South African Miner Strikes

The heads of four top platinum producing companies have picked the absolute worst time to skip town.

The WSJ blog The Source reported that the CEOs of Anglo American Platinum, Lonmin, Aquarius Platinum and Impala Holdings – an exclusive club of the top platinum producers on the planet – have stepped down, with replacements already in place or on the way.

This may seem bad timing, only because after seven weeks of labor unrest, as many as 75,000 miners, or 15 percent of the mining sector workforce, are already out on strike, while a national truckers’ stoppage is squeezing fuel suppliers.

So far about 50 people have been killed and the strikes are spreading from the original flash point of Lonmin’s Marikana platinum mine that we covered last month. Needless to say, supply- and other risk management should be on the collective minds of these companies’ leaders

[...]

Platinum parachutes for all!

208 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:15:45pm

re: #188 PhillyPretzel

Hah! Just yesterday I went to a Platinum Guild breakfast, where they brief the industry players on the marketing etc. Boy would they be disappointed in your post!

209 wrenchwench  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:18:47pm

Later, lizards.

210 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:19:26pm

re: #73 ProGunLiberal

My headache is gone finally. I don't think it was related to Lebanon.

However, I have had a burning question. I the past month or so that many of the people who made my life hard at OU were Engineering Majors. In addition, I also noticed that slimeball Morsi was an Engineer, and Engineering seems to be a big thing in Iran, if the names of the parties are to be believed. And the 2 creationists I met at college were both Chemical Engineers.

My question is: Is this just a pile of coincidences, or am I missing something?

If there's a link, it's probably a couple of different things.

Engineering is big in the Middle East, as it was in the Soviet Union. What used to be called the 'Second World' produces a lot of engineers, because that's what they need. People who can create infrastructure.

I imagine it might also be popular with creationists, since practical physics and mechanics are, I think, seen by fundamentalists as being less dangerous to faith than creepy things like biology (with its evolutionary taint) and the sort of stuff that makes you get into the origins of the universe and what's going on up there. And since Muslim fundamentalists also seem to be getting bogged down in this junk, that might lead back to the ME connection again. Engineering is a practical science that isn't associated with any potential challenge to faith.

As for whether such people are more likely to be jerks, I have no idea. I suspect that in the case of Morsi and the Iranians, it's a coincidence--millions of Egyptian and Iranian boys got engineering degrees, but only the jerks rose to public prominence.

211 Kragar  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:21:16pm

The joys of working with new materials with different tensile strengths and consistencies.

"OK, let me apply a little pressure to bend this into *snap*... fuck."

212 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:22:23pm

re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist

I imagine it might also be popular with creationists, since practical physics and mechanics are, I think, seen by fundamentalists as being less dangerous to faith than creepy things like biology (with its evolutionary taint)....

Except when it comes to Relativity.

213 Gus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:22:47pm
214 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:22:53pm

re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist

If there's a link, it's probably a couple of different things.

Engineering is big in the Middle East, as it was in the Soviet Union. What used to be called the 'Second World' produces a lot of engineers, because that's what they need. People who can create infrastructure.

I imagine it might also be popular with creationists, since practical physics and mechanics are, I think, seen by fundamentalists as being less dangerous to faith than creepy things like biology (with its evolutionary taint) and the sort of stuff that makes you get into the origins of the universe and what's going on up there. And since Muslim fundamentalists also seem to be getting bogged down in this junk, that might lead back to the ME connection again. Engineering is a practical science that isn't associated with any potential challenge to faith.

As for whether such people are more likely to be jerks, I have no idea. I suspect that in the case of Morsi and the Iranians, it's a coincidence--millions of Egyptian and Iranian boys got engineering degrees, but only the jerks rose to public prominence.

Salem hypothesis.

215 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:23:25pm

re: #167 Daniel Ballard

I do worry about some fool taking a shot at him.

As I said earlier, I've been listening to Sondheim's "Assassins". I keep listening to "The Ballad of Booth", as he sings, "the country is not what it was", and trying to block out the thought of some nut with a gun, and the same song in his heart.

Granted, Obama hasn't presided over a Civil War, and he ain't no Abe Lincoln, but presidential assassin wannabes are not noted for their sense of reality.

216 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:25:32pm

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

The only reason the Secret Service scandal bugs me is that their job is pretty fucking important, and I'd rather they kept their minds on it and not on cheating prostitutes out of money. Even if it was just the advance team, it's pretty problematic.

217 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:25:49pm
218 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:27:06pm

re: #184 freetoken

Could someone 'splain to me what lady-parts has to do with element 79?

Saudi women banned from working in gold industry

I think it's more about controlling women's access to profitable work than about the gold, per se.

Adorable couple in the photo, though.

I think I've mentioned before that I once flew to London on a flight with a Saudi family. The paterfamilias was wearing the traditional costume, all white. I was desperately tempted to try to mark him with a ball-point pen, but it occurred to me that British Air might throw me off if I was caught drawing on other passengers. I ended up sitting next to one of the women in the group, and her toddler. They were fine, uninterested in me, and I read the whole flight.

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:30:37pm

re: #205 Obdicut

Evolution also goes nowhere, as in the Red Queen effect. In one generation, a certain set of genes related to immune system will be selected for since they're more resistant against parasites. Then the parasites adapt, and the next generation selects for a different set. But the sets normally don't change dramatically over change, just selecting from various existent variations.

The one ringer in all of this being our species-specific ability and desire to make shit and figure shit out. Other species do it, but no one does it anything like us.

Although I was heartened by the discovery that gorillas in Rwanda have learned how to dismantle poacher's traps. My hope is that they will go on to reverse-engineer them and start trapping poachers.

220 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:32:53pm

re: #212 freetoken

Except when it comes to Relativity.

Well, yes. They like physics through Newton, at least. They like being able to build stuff. The more esoteric stuff upsets them.

Still love Conservapedia's article on relativity.

221 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:33:44pm

I know it's corny, but if someone were to strike Obama down, he would become more powerful than they could imagine...
IMHO

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:33:55pm

re: #214 Gangnam Style

Salem hypothesis.

There's a name for it? I thought I just made that shit up.

Oddly, a lot of them seem to be doctors, too, though, and that makes no sense at all to me.

223 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:35:06pm

re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a name for it? I thought I just made that shit up.

Oddly, a lot of them seem to be doctors, too, though, and that makes no sense at all to me.

Dentists.

Don't know why, but dentistry seems to attract some of the most obstinate of people.

224 Charles Johnson  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:35:45pm

re: #206 bubba zanetti

The 'undefined' type is one of the remaining inconsistencies in Javascript - different browsers have different ideas about whether to return false or 'undefined'.

225 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:36:49pm

re: #221 Reverend Mother Ramallo

I know it's corny, but if someone were to strike Obama down, he would become more powerful than they could imagine...
IMHO

I'd prefer they didn't, anyway. The country is screwed up enough already, and he has a wife and kids.

226 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:37:25pm

re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a name for it? I thought I just made that shit up.

Oddly, a lot of them seem to be doctors, too, though, and that makes no sense at all to me.

You haven't walked the dark, dank, dangerous back alleys I have.

227 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:38:17pm

re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist

My brother has a long-term plan to breed big cats to kill hunters as they sleep.

And actually, lots of animals can figure out how to spring traps. Like raccoon.

228 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:39:49pm

re: #227 Obdicut

My brother has a long-term plan to breed big cats to kill hunters as they sleep.

And actually, lots of animals can figure out how to spring traps. Like raccoon.

But only apes can learn how to turn other's hands into ashtrays.

229 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:41:07pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

I'd prefer they didn't, anyway. The country is screwed up enough already, and he has a wife and kids.

That happens and race riots won't be far behind.

230 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:42:38pm

It seems like Misrata and Bani Walid in Libya are going at it. Started over Bani Walid capturing and murdering one of the men who captured Qaddafi. Bani Walid won't hand over the culprits, saying they don't recognize the Justice System, and saying one doesn't exist. So Misrata's last nerve snapped, and now they are attacking.

Unfortunately, I can't see a big issue here. Bani Walid has been uncooperative since the total overthrow this time last year. They refused Election Monitors, threw out Militia occupying the town, and now have killed one of the men who captured Qaddafi. When you are acting more petulant than the American South during the Civil War, you need an attitude adjustment.

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:43:22pm

re: #227 Obdicut

My brother has a long-term plan to breed big cats to kill hunters as they sleep.

And actually, lots of animals can figure out how to spring traps. Like raccoon.

Yes, but gorillas might have the manual dexterity to build their own!

232 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:44:15pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, but gorillas might have the manual dexterity to build their own!

Gorillas, Chimps and Orangutans.

233 Targetpractice  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:45:16pm

re: #232 Gangnam Style

Gorillas, Chimps and Orangutans.

*best George Takei* Oh my.

234 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:46:04pm

The Ballad of Booth.

Trigger warning for the n-word. I'm being silly, but the first time I heard it, I flinched.

Blasphemy, but I think this is better than the version with Neil Patrick Harris as the Balladeer.

235 Only The Lurker Knows  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:46:36pm

re: #229 Gangnam Style

That happens and race riots won't be far behind.

Sadly, there are some who would not only welcome this, but are actually preparing for it.

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:47:02pm

re: #235 Only The Lurker Knows

Sadly, there are some who would not welcome this, but are actually preparing for it.

I think you mean 'not only welcome this'.

237 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:47:37pm

re: #9 Shiplord Kirel

I'm no kin to the monkey, no-no-no

238 freetoken  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:48:33pm

Frank Bruni uses a speech by Marco Rubio as a launching point regarding our political discussions:


Taxing My Patience

Before we go deeper into that proposal, a question: when did we become so spectacularly tax-phobic? Who appointed Grover Norquist our national revenue muse?

Good question.

239 Kronocide  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:48:50pm

re: #234 SanFranciscoZionist

Trigger warning for the n-word.

I've grown an affinity by calling it the Ni-CLANG. A little more colorful than the dour N-word. Though not all may understand.

240 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:48:51pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

I'd prefer they didn't, anyway. The country is screwed up enough already, and he has a wife and kids.

I don't even like to think about it.
A lot of older folks I know were afraid for him to even run.
Some didn't even want to vote for him in fear for his life in 08.
First generation North.

241 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:49:08pm

Bani Walid is a small city of 85,425 people, vs. Misrata which has a population of 281,000.

I think Misrata will triumph. I think it is also possible Bani Walid will become the Modern Carthage.

Edit: Dang it, I meant Misrata!

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:49:48pm

re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist

I think you mean 'not only welcome this'.

And some of these folks are positively drooling over the idea. Which is itself a giveaway that they have no idea what such things are like. It's just a fantasy of somehow becoming supercompetent and kickass in some sort of unlikely dangerous situation, with the added bonus that you get to imagine being persecuted for your whiteness.

243 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:50:43pm

re: #239 Kronocide

I've grown an affinity by calling it the Ni-CLANG. A little more colorful than the dour N-word. Though not all may understand.

It works better for me when you're implying that's what someone means, but hasn't actually said it.

244 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:51:07pm

re: #240 Reverend Mother Ramallo

I don't even like to think about it.
A lot of older folks I know were afraid for him to even run.
Some didn't even want to vote for him in fear for his life in 08.
First generation North.

I was teaching in Richmond when he was elected. There was a lot of fear around that.

245 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:52:42pm

Do you all think the Misrata v. Bani Walid Fight is worth a page?

246 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:53:19pm

re: #245 ProGunLiberal

Do you all think the Misrata v. Bani Walid Fight is worth a page?

Is it a fight or just posturing right now?

247 Only The Lurker Knows  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:53:42pm

re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist

I think you mean 'not only welcome this'.

Thank you. Change made.

248 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:53:49pm

re: #220 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, yes. They like physics through Newton, at least. They like being able to build stuff. The more esoteric stuff upsets them.

Still love Conservapedia's article on relativity.

Some liberal politicians have extrapolated the theory of relativity to metaphorically justify their own political agendas. For example, Democratic President Barack Obama helped publish an article by liberal law professor Laurence Tribe to apply the relativistic concept of "curvature of space" to promote a broad legal right to abortion.[64] As of June 2008, over 170 law review articles have cited this liberal application of the theory of relativity to legal arguments.[65] Applications of the theory of relativity to change morality have also been common.[66] Moreover, there is an unmistakable effort to censor or ostracize criticism of relativity.[67]

249 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:54:40pm

re: #245 ProGunLiberal

Do you all think the Misrata v. Bani Walid Fight is worth a page?

Sure. I'm always interested in learning more about what's going on.

250 Decatur Deb  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:56:12pm

re: #245 ProGunLiberal

Do you all think the Misrata v. Bani Walid Fight is worth a page?

Sure. Welterweights never get much attention.

251 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 6:56:46pm

re: #246 Gangnam Style

No, they are very much shooting each other, and Misrata is also apparently shelling, not really caring what gets hit.

252 calochortus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:03:05pm

re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist

And some of these folks are positively drooling over the idea. Which is itself a giveaway that they have no idea what such things are like. It's just a fantasy of somehow becoming supercompetent and kickass in some sort of unlikely dangerous situation, with the added bonus that you get to imagine being persecuted for your whiteness.

Ya know, I can't recall when I was ever persecuted for my whiteness. And trust me, people don't come much whiter than me (unless I've been anywhere near the sun, in which case I range from pink to red...)

253 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:05:22pm

re: #251 ProGunLiberal

No, they are very much shooting each other, and Misrata is also apparently shelling, not really caring what gets hit.

Then go for it.

254 Lidane  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:05:57pm

re: #248 SanFranciscoZionist

Wingnut criticisms of relativity are hilarious in their incoherence. I always get a good laugh out of them.

255 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:06:08pm

re: #252 calochortus

Ya know, I can't recall when I was ever persecuted for my whiteness. And trust me, people don't come much whiter than me (unless I've been anywhere near the sun, in which case I range from pink to red...)

Ditto.

256 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:08:39pm

re: #254 Lidane

Wingnut criticisms of relativity are hilarious in their incoherence. I always get a good laugh out of them.

Unskewed Science!

257 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:08:55pm

re: #248 SanFranciscoZionist

Some liberal politicians have extrapolated the theory of relativity to metaphorically justify their own political agendas. For example, Democratic President Barack Obama helped publish an article by liberal law professor Laurence Tribe to apply the relativistic concept of "curvature of space" to promote a broad legal right to abortion.[64] As of June 2008, over 170 law review articles have cited this liberal application of the theory of relativity to legal arguments.[65] Applications of the theory of relativity to change morality have also been common.[66] Moreover, there is an unmistakable effort to censor or ostracize criticism of relativity.[67]

I took a look at the paper, published in 1998. Laurence Tribe was using relativity and how it changed physics as a metaphor for how law changes society.

258 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:09:57pm

re: #248 SanFranciscoZionist

Some liberal politicians have extrapolated the theory of relativity to metaphorically justify their own political agendas. For example, Democratic President Barack Obama helped publish an article by liberal law professor Laurence Tribe to apply the relativistic concept of "curvature of space" to promote a broad legal right to abortion.[64] As of June 2008, over 170 law review articles have cited this liberal application of the theory of relativity to legal arguments.[65] Applications of the theory of relativity to change morality have also been common.[66] Moreover, there is an unmistakable effort to censor or ostracize criticism of relativity.[67]

And a tyrannosaur was an herbivore.
Yep!

259 Lidane  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:10:03pm

re: #257 Gangnam Style

I took a look at the paper, published in 1998. Laurence Tribe was using relativity and how it changed physics as a metaphor for how law changes society.

Pfft. Metaphors are of the devil. Everyone knows that.

You know, because Revelations is literal. =P

260 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:11:59pm

re: #259 Lidane

You know, because Revelations is literal. =P

They're not even real. They're 'meta' phors.

261 calochortus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:12:32pm

re: #257 Gangnam Style

I took a look at the paper, published in 1998. Laurence Tribe was using relativity and how it changed physics as a metaphor for how law changes society.

Obviously neither should have happened. So they didn't. Case closed. (dusts off hands...)

262 Lidane  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:14:20pm

re: #260 Gangnam Style

They're not even real. They're 'meta' phors.

See? Proof that they're from Satan. The devil uses metaphors and relativity to trick the believer into evil.

///

263 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:15:41pm

Conservopedia.

Could monkeys type the 23rd Psalm?

All you need to know.

264 calochortus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:16:19pm

re: #263 Varek Raith

How many monkeys? How long do they have?

265 Gus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:17:24pm

You have to watch this...

Boogie Man: The Lee Atwater Story (2008)

266 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:17:40pm

Satan made fossils to test our faith!
( I gotta learn to do the purple letters )

267 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:18:25pm

re: #264 calochortus

How many monkeys? How long do they have?

What's their motivation?

268 calochortus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:19:59pm

re: #267 Gangnam Style

What's their motivation?

Bananas.

269 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:19:59pm

re: #266 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Satan made fossils to test our faith!
( I gotta learn to do the purple letters )

[ wingnut ] stuff to turn purple [ / wingnut ] remove the spaces

270 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:20:51pm

re: #268 calochortus

Bananas.

Throw in 2 -15 minute shit flinging breaks and you have a deal.

271 calochortus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:21:53pm

re: #270 Gangnam Style

Done! We'll have that psalm typed in no time.

272 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:22:54pm

re: #248 SanFranciscoZionist

Some liberal politicians have extrapolated the theory of relativity to metaphorically justify their own political agendas. For example, Democratic President Barack Obama helped publish an article by liberal law professor Laurence Tribe to apply the relativistic concept of "curvature of space" to promote a broad legal right to abortion.[64] As of June 2008, over 170 law review articles have cited this liberal application of the theory of relativity to legal arguments.[65] Applications of the theory of relativity to change morality have also been common.[66] Moreover, there is an unmistakable effort to censor or ostracize criticism of relativity.[67]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Andy Schafly is a fanatical idiot.

273 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:23:24pm

re: #269 Gangnam Style

thanks

274 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:26:34pm

If you want to bleed through your eyes...
[Link: www.google.com...]

275 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:26:37pm

And if I could ask a favor: Please head over to this Page thread and give Destro's #34 the downdinging it deserves for his support for Bashar Assad. That post deserves a support on the Bottom Ten listing.

276 Lidane  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:26:50pm

re: #270 Gangnam Style

Throw in 2 -15 minute shit flinging breaks and you have a deal.

277 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:26:56pm

re: #273 Reverend Mother Ramallo

You're Welcome

278 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:27:15pm

re: #259 Lidane

You know, because Revelations is literal. =P

Slacktivist has a hilarious line about how you might be a fundamentalist if you take every word of the Bible literally except for 'wine' and 'to seven churches in Asia'.

279 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:28:17pm

re: #272 Dark_Falcon

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Andy Schafly is a fanatical idiot.

My favorites remain the stories about why you should marry a conservative, and also the Invisible Hand of Marriage.

280 Varek Raith  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:29:45pm

re: #279 SanFranciscoZionist

My favorites remain the stories about why you should marry a conservative, and also the Invisible Hand of Marriage.

Threesome?
Giggity!
/

281 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:30:11pm

re: #274 Varek Raith

If you want to bleed through your eyes...
[Link: www.google.com...]

Why would you bleed through your eyes. It's arguably blasphemous, but its not like trying to open the Ark of the Covenant or something.

282 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:31:08pm

re: #253 Gangnam Style

Writing it now. There is going to be a lot of background and review.

283 Kragar  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:31:34pm

re: #281 Dark_Falcon

Why would you bleed through your eyes. It's arguably blasphemous, but its not like trying to open the Ark of the Covenant or something.

[Embedded content]

Fun fact: If Indiana Jones had sat at home for the first movie, it would have ended up pretty much the same.

284 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:32:20pm

re: #275 Dark_Falcon

Will do. He seems to be a bit of a dingbat.

But, I admit that there seems to be no good solution for Syria. :(

285 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:36:28pm

re: #284 ProGunLiberal

Will do. He seems to be a bit of a dingbat.

But, I admit that there seems to be no good solution for Syria. :(

True, but even so I've been wanting Destro to get a earful from you for a while now. You may be able to knock some sense into him, a task I cannot perform since he thinks anyone at all right of center is either a dupe, utterly ignorant, or an asshole.

286 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:41:05pm

re: #275 Dark_Falcon

And if I could ask a favor: Please head over to this Page thread and give Destro's #34 the downdinging it deserves for his support for Bashar Assad. That post deserves a support on the Bottom Ten listing.

He doesn't do very well with opposition. Or reality.

287 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:42:12pm

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

Considering I am a Scandinavian-style Social Democrat, I think I can give an earful.

Being on the left doesn't mean peace at all costs. Norway, Sweden, and Denmark all gave fantastic accounts of themselves in Libya, and all are involved in Afghanistan. And they were also all involved with the Bosnian and Kosovo interventions. In the last 3, Sweden did only peacekeeping troops, but it is something.

288 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:42:39pm

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

True, but even so I've been wanting Destro to get a earful from you for a while now. You may be able to knock some sense into him, a task I cannot perform since he thinks anyone at all right of center is either a dupe, utterly ignorant, or an asshole.

Oh, I'm nowhere near right of center, and he thinks all three of me, so it's not exactly a partisan position. Or it is, in the sense that he is partisan to himself and whatever he's decided to defend at the moment.

289 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:43:01pm

re: #286 SanFranciscoZionist

He doesn't do very well with opposition. Or reality.

All the more reason to give him plenty of both. Those who can't keep their views with even sight of reality don't belong on a reality-based blog.

290 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:43:23pm

re: #275 Dark_Falcon

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Buck and Destro on the downding. Now I have seen everything.

291 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:43:48pm

re: #286 SanFranciscoZionist

He doesn't do very well with opposition. Or reality.

Or logic.
That was a damn mess.

292 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:44:22pm

re: #290 Daniel Ballard

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Buck and Destro on the downding. Now I have seen everything.

I think that may have been an error on Buck's part, but I wouldn't dream to presume.

293 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:45:06pm

re: #290 Daniel Ballard

It is justified though. Bit busy right now with Misrata, Zintan, & Az-Zawiyah vs. Bani Walid page.

294 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:46:39pm

re: #290 Daniel Ballard

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Buck and Destro on the downding. Now I have seen everything.

I'm pretty sure Buck only downdinged SFZ by accident. Especially since his comment on the threat was in agreement with her in the main.

295 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:46:40pm

re: #289 Dark_Falcon

Dark I got to the sample place with Destro as I got with OhCrap.
I'm just not paying attention to histrionics or a negative drumbeat.

296 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:47:39pm

re: #293 ProGunLiberal

I look forward to it. You have been really good on that region.

297 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:48:07pm

re: #293 ProGunLiberal

By justified, I mean the crazy loops around and they have the same nutty things going on.

Sorry, wasn't paying full attention to that comment by SFZ. Will be done with page by the end of the hour. Maybe.

298 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:49:24pm

re: #295 Daniel Ballard

Dark I got to the sample place with Destro as I got with OhCrap.
I'm just not paying attention to histrionics or a negative drumbeat.

I agree regarding the intransigence, but OhCrap went after me personally and deliberately, which Destro to date has not done. Thus, while I regard Destro as problematic he is not nearly as bad in my mind as OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin was.

299 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:49:30pm

re: #295 Daniel Ballard

Dark I got to the sample place with Destro as I got with OhCrap.
I'm just not paying attention to histrionics or a negative drumbeat.

You're not as crazy as they say you are. ;P

300 Gus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:52:25pm

Kleenex for Lee Atwater.

301 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:53:47pm

re: #300 Gus

Kleenex for Lee Atwater.

You are as crazy as they say you are.

302 Gus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:54:19pm

re: #301 Gangnam Style

You are as crazy as they say you are.

I take pride in my empathy. ;)

303 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:55:43pm

re: #295 Daniel Ballard

Dark I got to the sample place with Destro as I got with OhCrap.
I'm just not paying attention to histrionics or a negative drumbeat.

I had huge problems with OhCrap, but he/she (I forget) made better arguments. Slightly. Destro is very close to self-parody, but sadly I've met people like him, people scornful of 99% of the people they talk to who just don't get it, man.

He's a step away from talking about little Eichmanns.

304 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:56:17pm

re: #212 freetoken

Except when it comes to Relativity.

Theory of Relativity:

If your parents didn't have children, you won't either.

(I know it leaves adoption out, but play along with me here)

305 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:57:02pm

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

I agree regarding the intransigence, but OhCrap went after me personally and deliberately, which Destro to date has not done. Thus, while I regard Destro as problematic he is not nearly as bad in my mind as OhCrapIHaveACrushOnSarahPalin was.

That's true in both our cases. And I don't just scroll over Destro posts , I just avoid the all caps whether literal or figurative.

306 Gus  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 7:57:51pm

Ack. Never mind. I'll get back with ya.

307 b_sharp  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 8:00:02pm

re: #304 Eventual Carrion

Theory of Relativity:

If your parents didn't have children, you won't either.

(I know it leaves adoption out, but play along with me here)

I didn't have the balls to go there.

308 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 8:02:37pm

re: #303 Obdicut

I had huge problems with OhCrap, but he/she (I forget) made better arguments. Slightly. Destro is very close to self-parody, but sadly I've met people like him, people scornful of 99% of the people they talk to who just don't get it, man.

He's a step away from talking about little Eichmanns.

The difference is that OhCrap's perspective was that of a black lesbian.
I got the impression her arguments were visceral and, if I recall correctly, militant.
Destro's arguments are immature and not well thought out.

309 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 8:03:14pm

re: #268 calochortus

Bananas.

Banana?
Banana!!!

310 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 8:05:16pm

re: #308 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Yeah, you got the feeling OhCrap had dealt with a lot of bullshit in her life and was out of any sort of patience or willingness, really, to listen. Or was playing that character, anyway-- sincerity on the internet, impossible to determine. Anyway, it certainly was posited as coming from personal and family experience in a way that made it painful to argue with her.

Ah, memories.

311 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 8:05:44pm

re: #303 Obdicut

I had huge problems with OhCrap, but he/she (I forget) made better arguments. Slightly. Destro is very close to self-parody, but sadly I've met people like him, people scornful of 99% of the people they talk to who just don't get it, man.

He's a step away from talking about little Eichmanns.

OhCrap was a 'she'. She did seem to have a better grasp of facts, but its easier to find that better when you're not in that person's (metaphorical) gunsights. As such I trust your judgement, since I admit the abuse she aimed at me left me unable to judge her objectively. I added her to the list of asshole bullies who enjoyed making my life miserable. I hadn't thought I'd have another entry on that list after I graduated from high school, but she forced me to add her name to the list with her sheer venom.

312 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 8:07:20pm

re: #308 Reverend Mother Ramallo

The difference is that OhCrap's perspective was that of a black lesbian.
I got the impression her arguments were visceral and, if I recall correctly, militant.
Destro's arguments are immature and not well thought out.

They share a sweeping condescension for anyone they perceive as disagreeing with their unassailable beliefs. And abrasiveness. They got a lot of abrasiveness in common.

But OhCrap was a controlled, sophisticated debater. Also a bully, as far as I was concerned, but she knew what she was saying and she had a rational and consistent world view. She was just unpleasant about it.

Destro just lays about him with a hammer, while screaming that no one gets it, and we're too stupid, and Americans! and hopping and skipping from point to tangential point.

313 Obdicut  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 8:08:08pm

re: #311 Dark_Falcon

And to her, you were another guy supporting the racist GOP party which is currently attempting to suppress the black vote.

Which they really are doing, you know. And black people are really going to be legitimately mad at GOP supporters about it.

314 Eventual Carrion  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 8:08:57pm

re: #264 calochortus

How many monkeys? How long do they have?

They would just keep coming up with Shakespeare plays.

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 8:10:40pm

Also, I may completely be off with this, but I suspect Destro of being an American.

316 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 8:11:04pm

re: #313 Obdicut

And to her, you were another guy supporting the racist GOP party which is currently attempting to suppress the black vote.

Which they really are doing, you know. And black people are really going to be legitimately mad at GOP supporters about it.

Like I said, my view of her is too affected by the pain of old wounds of my own to be objective.

317 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 8:11:43pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

Also, I may completely be off with this, but I suspect Destro of being an American.

No, you're right. He lives in Europe now, but remains an American citizen.

318 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 8:13:19pm

re: #316 Dark_Falcon

Like I said, my view of her is too affected by the pain of old wounds of my own to be objective.

I need to add that I do not pretend my wounds are as deep or as numerous as hers, but they hurt and affect me nevertheless.

319 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Oct 20, 2012 8:21:16pm

The page on Bani Walid vs. Misrata and friends is up.


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