Vandalizing of Political Signs Crosses a Hateful Line in Lubbock, Texas

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Wingnut vandals have been on a rampage here in recent days. This incident happened a few blocks from my house.

Political signs vandalized by racial slurs have turned a fierce competition of politics into a matter of racism, according to local Democrats.

Lubbock Democratic Party Chair Kenny Ketner received a phone call around 1:30 a.m. Sunday, stating political signs off 26th Street and University Avenue had been stolen and vandalized.

“There have been problems before but it’s gotten really out of hand,” Ketner said. “The quantity of signs vandalized and stolen is already out of control, and now the type of vandalism has crossed a hateful line.”

Two of the larger signs were vandalized with the n-word written multiple times on the signs along with mustard spread across them as well. …

Ketner has been involved with politics in Lubbock since 2004 and says he’s never seen anything get this bad.

Hundreds of signs have been stolen and vandalized across Lubbock but this most recent occurrence is a problem area Ketner said.

“Over half a dozen of the larger signs have been stolen, vandalized or shot,” he said. “And as of about 1 a.m. this morning we can add hate to the list.”

Ketner says it took Lubbock police three hours to respond to the call of the vandalized signs early Sunday morning.

“I want to encourage the Lubbock Police Department not to dismiss these reports or delay in the response to the reports,” said Ketner. “Waiting hours on a police officer who may or may not show up and may or may not take the problem seriously in unacceptable.”

Even though signs have been vandalized, Democrats will continue to put out signs, he said.

Out of the 1, 500 signs they have, 1,100 have been distributed. The most recent acts of vadalism have been on 26th Street and University Avenue and 59th Street and Quaker Ketner said.

“We have been and will continue to replace these signs and we will not be silenced,” said Ketner.

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415 comments
1 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 7:21:15pm

First sign, bullet holes

Next one, racial slurs.
The last one is especially interesting. It was posted 25 feet from the busiest street in town, some jackass hung around long enough to write all those repetitions of the N-word, and nobody saw it.

2 Big Joe  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 9:28:11pm

You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.

3 Kragar  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 9:28:43pm

Everything is bigger in Texas, even the assholes.

4 Alexzander  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 9:36:55pm

re: #2 Big Joe

You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.

The wisest people I can think of are people of the land.
I think you might want to rephrase or re-think your intended target audience.

5 Charles Johnson  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 9:38:18pm

re: #4 Alexzander

6 Kronocide  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 9:42:01pm

re: #2 Big Joe

You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers right wing bloggers. These are people of the land blogosphere. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.

7 Alexzander  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 9:45:41pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

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I must admit I have yet to watch that film. A comedic classic I realise; I'm a young-in. But I'd trade knowledge of facebook, twitter and reddit for how my food grows from the land in an instant.

8 Kragar  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 9:47:56pm

re: #7 Alexzander

I must admit I have yet to watch that film.

Your words make no sense.

9 engineer cat  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 9:48:10pm

re: #1 Shiplord Kirel

all those repetitions of the N-word

signature of a spirit afflicted with evil demons

10 Lidane  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 9:48:41pm

*sigh*

Every time I think of Lubbock, this is the first thing that comes to mind:

Thankfully, early voting should be starting up tomorrow. I can make my way over to a voting booth and cast my ballot and be done with this election.

11 Alexzander  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 9:49:08pm

re: #8 Kragar

Your words make no sense.

It has been on the horizon for a couple years now.

12 thecommodore  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 9:49:32pm

Probably a Democrat Party plant, or SEIU union thug. I mean, look at what the latter did to Kenneth Gladney?

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13 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 9:53:01pm

I believe it's going to get worse before it gets better. I think there are a lot of people out there who will not accept Obama winning again and they will take his second term as a call to arms.

14 Alexzander  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 9:54:02pm

My recommended western (and in fact one of my top 5 films):

Dead Man:

15 Lidane  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 9:54:14pm

re: #13 Romantic Heretic

I believe it's going to get worse before it gets better. I think there are a lot of people out there who will not accept Obama winning again and they will take his second term as a call to arms.

That's what I'm expecting.

These people have gone 'round the fucking bend. They're crazy.

16 Alexzander  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 9:57:45pm

Night everyone. Lets hope tomorrow's debate goes well for the nation.

17 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 10:01:24pm

re: #16 Alexzander

Night everyone. Lets hope tomorrow's debate goes well for the nation.

If Mitt Romney wins the debate it will have done so.

/Give me that kind of set-up and I'm gonna use it.

18 Alexzander  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 10:06:25pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

If Mitt Romney wins the debate it will have done so.

/Give me that kind of set-up and I'm gonna use it.

I take the long view so lets compare notes 10 years down the road.

19 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 10:08:22pm

re: #18 Alexzander

I take the long view so lets compare notes 10 years down the road.

That works, if I'm still alive.

20 Kragar  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 10:09:05pm

re: #17 Dark_Falcon

If Mitt Romney wins the debate it will have done so.

/Give me that kind of set-up and I'm gonna use it.

Whats the over/under for Romney's lies per minute?

21 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 10:09:57pm

Ha! Just today as I was leaving my neighborhood I was looking at all the Crazy-Makes no sense-wingnut rant signs and I was wondering if the lone house in the neighborhood that always puts up Pro Dem signs was going to do so again this year as his signs always end up stolen or vandalize no sooner than he puts up a new one. It's actually very entertaining to watch!

22 engineer cat  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 10:10:06pm

Road Kill T-Shirts

I USED TO CARE
they have a pill for that now

Some Days It's Just Not Worth Chewing Through The Restraints

23 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 10:14:45pm

re: #20 Kragar

Whats the over/under for Romney's lies per minute?

I live in Cook County in Illinois, not Clark County in Nevada.

24 engineer cat  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 10:15:21pm

re: #20 Kragar

Whats the over/under for Romney's lies per minute?

in america we're always working on improving our technological advantages

25 Big Joe  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 10:31:10pm

re: #22 engineer cat

Road Kill T-Shirts

I USED TO CARE
they have a pill for that now

Some Days It's Just Not Worth Chewing Through The Restraints

26 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 10:41:08pm

Does Gallup publish cross tabs anywhere? I can't find them.

27 Mocking Jay  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 10:47:08pm

Here's a tear-jerker I found today.

28 majii  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 10:52:50pm

Believe or not, some of us have dealt with people like these our entire lives, especially those of us who live in the southern bible belt. You have to watch your back wherever you go because you never know when you might come face to face with one of these nuts. I'm better educated than 99% of the ones I run into, but it never seems to matter to them. I'm inferior simply because I have more melanin in my skin. The election of Barack Obama, along with the failure of the GOP leadership to keep them in line, has caused all kinds of racists and bigots to feel like big shots again, and they have no reservations about showing their asses. The sad thing is that they think by showing their asses, it makes them important in some way, when it doesn't.

29 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 11:42:03pm

re: #28 majii

Believe or not, some of us have dealt with people like these our entire lives, especially those of us who live in the southern bible belt. You have to watch your back wherever you go because you never know when you might come face to face with one of these nuts. I'm better educated than 99% of the ones I run into, but it never seems to matter to them. I'm inferior simply because I have more melanin in my skin. The election of Barack Obama, along with the failure of the GOP leadership to keep them in line, has caused all kinds of racists and bigots to feel like big shots again, and they have no reservations about showing their asses. The sad thing is that they think by showing their asses, it makes them important in some way, when it doesn't.

By failure, do you mean deliberate encouragement of racists and bigots?

I have to say I feel confident that Obama will win reelection and I feel equally confident that the Tea Party was the last peaceful incarnation of rightwing lunacy. They will gt violent the next time. These people are sore losers and always have been. They have had 50 years to get over losing privilege over other Americans and they still are privileged. Still fighting the Lost Cause.

30 AK-47%  Sun, Oct 21, 2012 11:52:42pm

re: #28 majii

The election of Barack Obama, along with the failure of the GOP leadership to keep them in line, has caused all kinds of racists and bigots to feel like big shots again...

Has the local GOP at least tried to distance itself from these actions in any way, or is it just written off as "gool ol' boys havin some harmless fun"?

31 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 12:00:06am

The biggest political nightmare we could face would be a terribly close election, one in which the charges of voter fraud are no longer a preipheral issue or if (*shudder*) Obama should lose the popular vote but win the EC.

2000 will be forgotten, we will have whole swathes of idiots like those in Lubbock refusing to acknowledge the legitimacy of the President, and it will start to look like 1860 again.

32 Marek Bage  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 12:11:38am
along with mustard spread across them...

Mustard??
Is there some sort of cultural significance in the spreading of mustard of which I am ignorant?
If not, who the hell walks around with a jar of mustard?
And by the way, was it Dijon, German or that yellow American stuff which looks radioactive but tastes so yummy?

Cheers

33 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 12:16:04am

Only elitist snobs use Dijon mustard, real Americans use Heinz or French's mustard...

34 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 12:18:43am

re: #32 Marek Bage

Mustard??
Is there some sort of cultural significance in the spreading of mustard of which I am ignorant?

Hannity once, apparently not realizing that ketchup is for fags, attacked Obama for putting mustard on a hamburger.

35 researchok  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 12:56:21am

Morning, all

36 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:00:57am

mustard, a seasoning apparently made, like too many things, of sarcasm, jealousy, imagined slights and real pain caused only by random circumstance and impersonal fate, fate and circumstance cruelly impervious oh let us find something to focus our pain oh cruel fate will anger and hate let me forget you if only for an evil, hurtful moment?

trouble and strife are the lot of man, and from this cruel earth we have but one true escape

37 researchok  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:05:56am

re: #36 engineer cat

You need some beer mustard.

Now go in peace.

38 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:08:04am

re: #36 engineer cat

mustard, a seasoning apparently made, like too many things, of sarcasm, jealousy, imagined slights and real pain caused only by random circumstance and impersonal fate, fate and circumstance cruelly impervious oh let us find something to focus our pain oh cruel fate will anger and hate let me forget you if only for an evil, hurtful moment?

trouble and strife are the lot of man, and from this cruel earth we have but one true escape

Not a coincidence, then, that the Russian words for "mustard" and "bitter" (gorchitsa and gor'ky) come from the same root?

39 engineer cat  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:09:05am

re: #38 AK-47%

Not a coincidence, then, that the Russian words for "mustard" and "bitter" (gorchitsa adn gor'ky) come from the same root?

aha

40 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:24:02am

Moscow has an entire park dedicated to Bitterness...

41 wheat-dogg  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:48:47am

re: #29 moderatelyradicalliberal

By failure, do you mean deliberate encouragement of racists and bigots?

I have to say I feel confident that Obama will win reelection and I feel equally confident that the Tea Party was the last peaceful incarnation of rightwing lunacy. They will gt violent the next time. These people are sore losers and always have been. They have had 50 147 years to get over losing privilege over other Americans and they still are privileged. Still fighting the Lost Cause.

More appropriate, considering the sign graffiti.

42 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 2:55:30am

There was a time when those sort of bigots tended to keep their comments to themselves or to groups of like-minded for fear of alienating moderate voters.

But I guess the political calculus has changed, they seem to have no trouble alienating large parts of the population while hiding behind the transparent facade of "it was harmless fun/satire" or "your 'over-reaction' just demonstrates reverse racism", etc...

And yes, the more they see that nobody in the GOP is making any great effort to distance themselves or tell them to STFU, they grow louder and more impertinent in their bigotry.

43 AntonSirius  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:21:07am

re: #7 Alexzander

I must admit I have yet to watch that film. A comedic classic I realise; I'm a young-in. But I'd trade knowledge of facebook, twitter and reddit for how my food grows from the land in an instant.

So you don't know what 'Ni-CLANG' is in reference too either. Sad.

And what "knowledge of facebook, twitter and reddit" has to do with a movie made in 1974, I have no idea.

Also, since us old timers are lecturing you anyway, it's "youngun" or "young 'un", not "young-in". A young-in sounds like some sort of protest at a botox clinic.

44 AntonSirius  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:23:10am

re: #21 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate

Ha! Just today as I was leaving my neighborhood I was looking at all the Crazy-Makes no sense-wingnut rant signs and I was wondering if the lone house in the neighborhood that always puts up Pro Dem signs was going to do so again this year as his signs always end up stolen or vandalize no sooner than he puts up a new one. It's actually very entertaining to watch!

They should cover the sign with Crazy Glue, or run some current through it or something.

45 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:27:22am

I would like to see the Tigers play the Giants at this year's World Series. They already played the Cardinals in previous World Series.

46 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:29:35am

Last night as we were watching the game, Zedushka asked me "Why are all the fans wearing black and orange? Is it for Halloween? How come nobody is in costume?"

I said "Sweetie pie, black & orange are the Giants' team colors."

47 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:31:37am

Did the NFL make the players wear larger helmets? Felt like I was watching a high school game.

48 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:33:56am

re: #43 AntonSirius

I'm surprise he didn't just come on and say "I'm aware of all internet traditions..."

49 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:37:30am

Anybody go to the big canonization!?
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
Boy was I disappointed, didn't even need hearing protection.

50 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:41:47am

re: #49 Shropshire_Slasher

Anybody go to the big canonization!?
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
Boy was I disappointed, didn't even need hearing protection.

I am profoundly unimpressed by Kateri's story. But, I am one of the unsaved.

51 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:59:27am

The band "Bulletproof Stockings" are cranking it up to 11 in the Hasidic community.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
Can't watch vid at work :(

52 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:03:21am

re: #51 Shropshire_Slasher

The band "Bulletproof Stockings" are cranking it up to 11 in the Hasidic community.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
Can't watch vid at work :(

Cool!

53 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:11:58am

re: #51 Shropshire_Slasher

The band "Bulletproof Stockings" are cranking it up to 11 in the Hasidic community.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
Can't watch vid at work :(

Thanks for the link, I just blogged it!

54 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:15:58am

Well, you are welcome Sheila, my work here is done.
(flies off in cape and tights....)

55 A Mom Anon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:16:04am

I'll just be honest and say I'm scared to have so much as an Obama bumper sticker on my car at this point. I had some moron scream at me in the grocery store parking lot awhile back for wearing a Rosie the Riveter t-shirt that says "We Can Do It". He,being the freaking Wile E Coyote:Super Genius that he surely is,thought it was a pro Obama shirt. Seriously,WTF? Other stuff has happened too,I just won't put a target on myself or my home or car anymore. These fucking people are addicted to hate and they don't care who they hurt.

This is the issue I have with today's conservative movement. I have trouble forgiving or not taking it in a hostile way when this shit is actively encouraged and has been allowed to fester by the actual party and political leaders. They might have been able to at least get it under control before the last election but they chose not to. They chose to divide the country and keep the hate going and I'm SO tired of it.

56 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:17:44am

re: #55 A Mom Anon

I'll just be honest and say I'm scared to have so much as an Obama bumper sticker on my car at this point. I had some moron scream at me in the grocery store parking lot awhile back for wearing a Rosie the Riveter t-shirt that says "We Can Do It". He,being the freaking Wile E Coyote:Super Genius that he surely is,thought it was a pro Obama shirt. Seriously,WTF? Other stuff has happened too,I just won't put a target on myself or my home or car anymore. These fucking people are addicted to hate and they don't care who they hurt.

This is the issue I have with today's conservative movement. I have trouble forgiving or not taking it in a hostile way when this shit is actively encouraged and has been allowed to fester by the actual party and political leaders. They might have been able to at least get it under control before the last election but they chose not to. They chose to divide the country and keep the hate going and I'm SO tired of it.

I will not display a yard sign or a bumper sticker for the simple reason that I have NEVER displayed a yard sign or a bumper sticker. I don't even like to wear religious jewelry.

57 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:20:20am

No, this isn't Honey Boo Boo's family, girl in skunk costume gets mistaken for a critter, gets shot, by her relative.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
I hope grain alcohol was involved
1/2 /

58 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:21:02am

I've seen two other Obama signs in our Lower Alabama town. No one messes with signs here. The TPGOP just isn't that worried.

59 A Mom Anon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:26:42am

re: #58 Decatur Deb

That's what really freaks me out about people here. This is GEORGIA for god's sake,there are maybe three areas of the whole state that are blue(Atlanta/Fulton County,Athens,and I think Macon),the rest of the state is solid fire engine red. There's no chance in hell that GA's electoral votes are going to Obama,or any other Democrat for that matter. Hell,when I go vote this time,there are 6 local races with republicans running unchallenged.
You'd think they'd be pretty secure in that. But nope.

60 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:29:26am

re: #59 A Mom Anon

That's what really freaks me out about people here. This is GEORGIA for god's sake,there are maybe three areas of the whole state that are blue(Atlanta/Fulton County,Athens,and I think Macon),the rest of the state is solid fire engine red. There's no chance in hell that GA's electoral votes are going to Obama,or any other Democrat for that matter. Hell,when I go vote this time,there are 6 local races with republicans running unchallenged.
You'd think they'd be pretty secure in that. But nope.

Yup. More than half the Republicans on my ballot were running unopposed.
(Drove 100 miles through S. Georgia towns a couple weeks ago--one Obama sign, and I was looking hard.)

61 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:33:08am

Dogwalk--BBL

62 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:34:39am

re: #60 Decatur Deb

Give it time. Atlanta will eventually make Georgia competitive.

63 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:42:50am

In upstate NY, I have seen very few Obama or Romney signs, and a handful of local names. Usually in election season, political signs are more prolific than leaves on the ground.

64 dragonath  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:43:20am

re: #34 goddamnedfrank

Whoa. Pathological.

That's like, every McDonalds hamburger ever.

65 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:45:00am

I can't watch videos at work, but I can oil my boots and cut my toe nails. Tee hee!

66 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:46:03am

re: #64 dragonath

Whoa. Pathological.

That's like, every McDonalds hamburger ever.

"Animal Style" at In-and-Out is fried in mustard.

67 A Mom Anon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:48:37am

re: #62 ProGunLiberal

Atlanta is pretty solid blue. It's the suburbs and exburbs that are red. That's where the change is going to have to be noticeable, in what we here call Metro Atlanta.Without this area changing,I don't see the state going towards blue state status. There are about 10 counties surrounding Atlanta that are going to be very hard to change,I can't even see my son's generation(he's 18)going blue. There's no true dem presence here either,mostly from lack of funding and to be honest,I think they're intimidated to a certain degree.

68 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:50:10am

Good Morning,

We were the first ones to put up signs a couple of weeks ago. We have them for all the major local races. The only reaction was a block away, a house put up all the Republican signs. Then their next door neighbor put up all the Democratic signs ... So far so good. Only comment I got was a favorable one from a Korean war vet who plans to vote early for Obama.

So it is, in the boonies of Wisconsin...

69 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 5:57:02am

re: #67 A Mom Anon

Huh, wan't aware of that. My experience, being in the same state with Denver (lifesavers during the Waldo Canyon Fire), is that as the Denver Metro got larger, the state started shifting blue.

70 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:03:19am

re: #68 William Barnett-Lewis

Good Morning,

We were the first ones to put up signs a couple of weeks ago. We have them for all the major local races. The only reaction was a block away, a house put up all the Republican signs. Then their next door neighbor put up all the Democratic signs ... So far so good. Only comment I got was a favorable one from a Korean war vet who plans to vote early for Obama.

So it is, in the boonies of Wisconsin...

Might be a change in election craft. In the past canvassers would ask if they could put signs in your yard. This year we had to hunt them down and pay $5 for a sign. Wife is just finishing The Victory Lab, a look at the effectiveness of old-style political tactics. It doesn't have any use for phone banking, for instance.

(Does LGF still get a cut of Amazon referalls under the new taxes?)

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

71 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:09:10am

I did have to hunt down the signs but got them for free. Perhaps they just want to ensure that those who get them really want them? As for the canvassers, that's how it was done up through last spring's elections while we still lived in Madison. I would be interested in finding out if Dane Democrats is doing that this time or not... it may well simply be up to local party offices.

72 A Mom Anon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:11:13am

re: #69 ProGunLiberal

The South kind of breaks alot of the rules. We have a fair percentage of northern transplants(like myself and my parents and siblings),but that really hasn't changed things much. I've lived down here for 26 yrs and if anything it's become more conservative. Alot has to do with 9/11 and the crap that went on here afterwards,people became scared and mistrustful of each other to a really crazy degree.

73 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:11:52am

re: #71 William Barnett-Lewis

I did have to hunt down the signs but got them for free. Perhaps they just want to ensure that those who get them really want them? As for the canvassers, that's how it was done up through last spring's elections while we still lived in Madison. I would be interested in finding out if Dane Democrats is doing that this time or not... it may well simply be up to local party offices.

Our Dem organization is flat on its butt, probably needed to pay the phone bill. Got one for a friend across the state line--same story.

74 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:12:39am

re: #72 A Mom Anon

Okay, now I sort of get it.

Hoping we can hold on to Iowa, Colorado, Nevada, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Virginia.

75 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:17:05am
76 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:17:07am

re: #72 A Mom Anon

The South kind of breaks alot of the rules. We have a fair percentage of northern transplants(like myself and my parents and siblings),but that really hasn't changed things much. I've lived down here for 26 yrs and if anything it's become more conservative. Alot has to do with 9/11 and the crap that went on here afterwards,people became scared and mistrustful of each other to a really crazy degree.

Our town is fairly cool, it didn't exist before the Civil War War of Northern Aggression, and it has a big Union military presence. A few miles into the country in any direction and you hit residual klan activity.

77 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:17:17am

Good morning lizards!

78 A Mom Anon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:17:42am

re: #74 ProGunLiberal

Me too. Glad to see you're doing better these days.

79 Decatur Deb  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:17:53am

re: #75 Obdicut

What is going on here?

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Furry oppression.

80 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:19:17am

re: #75 Obdicut

What is going on here?

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Must be a bunch of pissed off Yankees fans. See the brooms: they are angry about the ALCS sweep.

81 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:20:19am

Another great one:

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And I'm kind of weirded out this morning because I got kind of a harsh rejection notice from a literary agent. He said that I'm "really" not the kind of author he's looking for. Seems like unnecessary emphasis, man.

82 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:21:08am

re: #81 Obdicut

Another great one:

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And I'm kind of weirded out this morning because I got kind of a harsh rejection notice from a literary agent. He said that I'm "really" not the kind of author he's looking for. Seems like unnecessary emphasis, man.

What is he looking for? Gay? Female? African-American?

83 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:23:21am

re: #82 Sheila Broflovski

What is he looking for? Gay? Female? African-American?

I think it was more about the writing itself, not me personally. Maybe I shouldn't use Facestab McRaperson as my pen name, though.

84 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:24:25am

re: #75 Obdicut

What is going on here?

That last one's a trip - the real tiger looks like he'd like to be "in solidarity" with his costumed comrade.

85 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:25:17am

re: #84 William Barnett-Lewis

That last one's a trip - the real tiger looks like he'd like to be "in solidarity" with his costumed comrade.

Or like he's looking forwards to killing the impostor.

86 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:26:00am
87 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:26:55am

re: #83 Obdicut

I think it was more about the writing itself, not me personally. Maybe I shouldn't use Facestab McRaperson as my pen name, though.

Yeah, stick with Buster Bloodvessel.

88 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:27:33am
89 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:28:26am

I used to go by the pen name Al Koholick

90 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:28:46am

re: #86 Gus

I'm kind of unconvinced that doing that actually prepares the zoo to deal with a real tiger escape. I'm thinking there might be a few differences between the behavior of an actual tiger, and a man dressed in a tiger suit.

91 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:28:58am

re: #88 NJDhockeyfan

And that's what actual censorship looks like.

92 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:29:56am

re: #90 Obdicut

I'm kind of unconvinced that doing that actually prepares the zoo to deal with a real tiger escape. I'm thinking there might be a few differences between the behavior of an actual tiger, and a man dressed in a tiger suit.

I think Donald Trump organized this hunt as a means of dealing with his rage over the Yankees loss.

93 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:31:03am

re: #90 Obdicut

I'm kind of unconvinced that doing that actually prepares the zoo to deal with a real tiger escape. I'm thinking there might be a few differences between the behavior of an actual tiger, and a man dressed in a tiger suit.

Because the man in the suit is less inclined to eat his captors?

94 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:31:48am

re: #91 Obdicut

And that's what actual censorship looks like.

It reminds me of what went on in the Soviet Union.

95 Lidane  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:33:45am

Oy. I haven't paid attention the last few days because of real life, but what's the word on the election as it stands now? My wingnut friends are posting on FB making comparisons to 1980 (ZOMG! Black Jimmy Carter!) and swearing that Team Obama is on the run. Or something.

96 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:34:06am

re: #94 NJDhockeyfan

It reminds me of what went on in the Soviet Union.

Yep. And on one hand, the Soviet Union fell so maybe there's cause for optimism, but then the Soviet Union fell and now we've got an ex-KGB guy running the damn show and doing the same shit.

Plus ca change.

97 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:35:00am

re: #95 Lidane

The status is the same: Romney has never actually been ahead in the polls, Obama consistently has. Most of the dirty tricks the GOP have tried with voter suppression have been overturned, but some effects of them have been felt. Get out the vote is critical-- if you have time, volunteer.

98 Lidane  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:35:33am

re: #91 Obdicut

And that's what actual censorship looks like.

Yeah, pretty much. And actual persecution for your dissenting views.

99 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:38:03am
100 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:40:14am
101 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:41:12am

re: #100 NJDhockeyfan

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In other news: The Pope is Catholic. Bears crap in the woods. Water is wet.

102 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:44:12am

re: #89 Shropshire_Slasher

I used to go by the pen name Al Koholick

Moe [on the phone]: "Hang on let me check..." [he lowers the phone turns toward his bars patrons] "Hey guys, is there an Al Koholick here?"

Barney [raises his hand and belches ]: "Yeah?"

Patrons: "Ha, ha, ha, ha!"

Moe [yelling into the phone]: "Why you little..! [call ends as Bart hangs on him]

/Classic Simpsons

103 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:45:42am

re: #101 Sheila Broflovski

In other news: The Pope is Catholic. Bears The leaders of Hamas are pieces of crap in the woods. Water is wet.

Improved.

104 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:50:03am

Testing Image Library Upload
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A shot from yesterday at the science center

105 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:54:49am

BBL. Gotta go to the pawn shop to pick up my new-to-me S&W 625 Mountain Gun. Double action .45 Colt yumminess just in time for deer season.

106 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 6:55:44am

re: #104 Daniel Ballard

Testing Image Library Upload
But it works as a reply the the ugly racists...

Image: Daniel_9510-004.jpg

A shot from yesterday at the science center

T'is a lizard, true enough, but those colors! I know from its eyes its not a chameleon, what kind of lizard is it?

107 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:01:13am

re: #88 NJDhockeyfan

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Former collaborators in a street-art group said on Twitter that Tolokonnikova had been sent to Mordovia, about 500 km (300 miles) east of Moscow, and Alyokhina to the Perm region, near the Ural Mountains about 1,100 km (700 miles) east of the capital. That was not confirmed.

Labor camps near Perm have been part of the gulag since Stalin's time. Natan Sharansky was sent there when the Soviet Union tried to silence him.

108 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:03:17am

re: #99 Sheila Broflovski

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As Native American Activists go, I prefer John and Larry Echohawk.

109 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:04:27am

re: #108 Mostly sane, most of the time.

As Native American Activists go, I prefer John and Larry Echohawk.

Russell Means voiced Powhatan in Disney Pocahontas.

110 Lidane  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:06:35am

'I'm going to leave all the abusive tweets up on my time line' - How Russell Crowe brought out the haters

YOU'D think that any flak heading Russell Crowe's way would be over the end of his marriage.
Not so. The actor, who is currently filming the biblical epic Noah in the US, brought out the haters this weekend after he tweeted his support for Barack Obama in the upcoming presidential election.

"Villagers,I don't endorse politicians.Not my thing.However, Obama is the light & the future.Keep going towards the light. Put America first," he wrote.

"Complex time for the world. America needs to continue the Global awareness that Obama has set. A healthy America means a healthy planet."

Endorsements from Hollywood's leading celebs are nothing new, with Obama counting Beyonce, Ben Affleck, Oprah and Will Smith among his supporters. But Crowe's show of support was too much for some of his followers.

111 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:06:55am
112 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:08:19am

The new Egyptian president agrees... Shocka!

Morsi mouths ‘Amen’ as Egyptian preacher urges ‘Allah, destroy the Jews’

Egypt’s President Mohammed Morsi participated in prayers over the weekend in which the preacher urged Allah to “destroy the Jews and their supporters.”

In footage of the service from Matrouh governorate’s el-Tenaim Mosque screened on Egyptian state television on Friday, Morsi was shown in fervent prayer as cleric Futouh Abd Al-Nabi Mansour, the local head of religious endowment, declared, “Oh Allah, absolve us of our sins, strengthen us, and grant us victory over the infidels. Oh Allah, destroy the Jews and their supporters. Oh Allah, disperse them, rend them asunder. Oh Allah, demonstrate Your might and greatness upon them. Show us Your omnipotence, oh Lord.”

According to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), Morsi could be seen mouthing “amen” to these sentiments.

113 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:09:35am

re: #112 NJDhockeyfan

The new Egyptian president agrees... Shocka!

Morsi mouths ‘Amen’ as Egyptian preacher urges ‘Allah, destroy the Jews’

Or he could have been mouthing "How lame!" or "All this just for a flag."

114 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:12:34am

re: #113 Sheila Broflovski

Assuming the translation is accurate, it doesn't matter if he said Amen or not, he still prayed along. That's assuming, of course.

It also, ironically, would be heresy. Islam clearly, clearly cites "The people of the book" as privileged, and clearly states that Jews will be there at Armageddon.

As with radical American Christians, I wish these asshole radical Muslims would bother to have a coherent goddamn theology.

115 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:12:53am

re: #109 Sheila Broflovski

Russell Means voiced Powhatan in Disney Pocahontas.

I've never watched that movie. Aside from the eco-silliness (you do NOT pick up and cuddle bear cubs--you will be Mama Bear meat if you do), the historical inaccuracies would drive me up the wall.

116 Bulworth  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:13:54am

Surely whoever shot at and wrote on those signs were liberal plants. //

117 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:15:30am

re: #115 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I've never watched that movie. Aside from the eco-silliness (you do NOT pick up and cuddle bear cubs--you will be Mama Bear meat if you do), the historical inaccuracies would drive me up the wall.

It's a freaking cartoon. It's not supposed to be "historically accurate." At least the animals did not talk.

If Disney cartoons were "historically accurate" Belle and the Beast would have their heads on display after being decapitated by the guillotine.

118 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:16:06am

Fuck, there was a mass shooting yesterday. Seems like these have become so fucking common they can actually slip under the radar.


Wisconsin suspect in mass shooting had history of domestic violence accusations


He offed himself.

119 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:17:04am

re: #115 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Umm...

the historical inaccuracies would drive me up the wall.

It's a cartoon. From Disney. If you're watching it expecting historical accuracy...

120 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:17:25am

re: #110 Lidane

"Obama is the light & the future.Keep going towards the light." What a goofball. Obama's just a politician, he's no savoir. But if Mark Steyn catches wind of this DERP!, then I'm going to heartily enjoy seeing Mr. Crowe and Friends get the Steyn Treatment.

121 Lidane  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:17:30am

re: #118 Obdicut

Wisconsin suspect in mass shooting had history of domestic violence accusations

He offed himself did the legal system a favor.

FTFY.

I'm not a fan of the death penalty, but this guy saved the state of Wisconsin a lot of time and money.

122 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:17:58am

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

Your support for the racist, misogynistic, liar Steyn is one of the more contemptible things about you, Dark.

123 Lidane  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:18:48am

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

Whatever. Steyn's a douche. I don't particularly care what he or that racist rag National Review have to say.

124 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:19:04am

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

"Obama is the light & the future.Keep going towards the light." What a goofball. Obama's just a politician, he's no savoir. But if Mark Steyn catches wind of this DERP!, then I'm going to heartily enjoy seeing Mr. Crowe and Friends get the Steyn Treatment.

But he does have that "savoir-faire"

125 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:19:36am

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

Oddly, in Gladiator he called "Rome" the light, even though he had never seen it. He having flashbacks?

126 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:20:02am

re: #117 Sheila Broflovski

It's a freaking cartoon. It's not supposed to be "historically accurate." At least the animals did not talk.

If Disney cartoons were "historically accurate" Belle and the Beast would have their heads on display after being decapitated by the guillotine.

I had the same problem with the movie Anastasia.

I can handle magic and singing pots and pans, but Pocahontas was a real person.

Also, the mountain doesn't sing. It plays percussion. I've heard it.

127 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:20:30am

re: #119 Ghost of Tom Joad

Umm...

It's a cartoon. From Disney. If you're watching it expecting historical accuracy...

Yeah, but there's also the eco-silliness and the movie's holding to what has been called 'Zero-Sum Multiculturalism' (ZSM). It's a masterpiece of political correctness and that makes it annoying to me.

As for the historical inaccuracies, I can tolerate then, but my detail-oriented mind is compelled to ferret them out and nitpick them.

128 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:21:21am

re: #126 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I had the same problem with the movie Anastasia.

I can handle magic and singing pots and pans, but Pocahontas was a real person.

Also, the mountain doesn't sing. It plays percussion. I've heard it.

Anastasia has disappeared into the Disney vault for good, ever since they DNA-identified the Czar's entire family were murdered by the Bolsheviks. There were no romantic escapes.

129 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:22:08am

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

As for the historical inaccuracies, I can tolerate then, but my detail-oriented mind is compelled to ferret them out and nitpick them.

You just sound like a really fun person to be around.

130 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:22:23am

re: #120 Dark_Falcon

"Obama is the light & the future.Keep going towards the light." What a goofball. Obama's just a politician, he's no savoir. But if Mark Steyn catches wind of this DERP!, then I'm going to heartily enjoy seeing Mr. Crowe and Friends get the Steyn Treatment.

Steyn and go fuck himself.

131 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:22:41am

re: #128 Sheila Broflovski

That was one of Disney's more shameful movies. Whitewashing the crazed, murderous, antisemitic bastards that were the Romanovs.

Fuck it, I hate the entire Princess Disney line, because fuck the concept of royalty.

132 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:23:17am

Disney is introducing their first "Latina" Princess, but she is neither Spanish-speaking nor from a Spanish country.

133 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:24:22am

re: #131 Obdicut

That was one of Disney's more shameful movies. Whitewashing the crazed, murderous, antisemitic bastards that were the Romanovs.

Fuck it, I hate the entire Princess Disney line, because fuck the concept of royalty.

Besides, Anastasia totally sucked.

134 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:24:33am

re: #132 Sheila Broflovski

Disney is introducing their first "Latina" Princess, but she is neither Spanish-speaking nor from a Spanish country.

She from East LA?

135 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:25:39am

You may all think this is silly, but I think Disney should do a version of Ivanhoe, so we can have a "Jewish princess" but without that horrible "J.A.P." stereotype.

136 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:26:30am

I'm a little confused though. This "Latina Princess" doesn't look Spanish yet George Zimmerman doesn't look Spanish.

137 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:27:04am

re: #129 Ghost of Tom Joad

You just sound like a really fun person to be around.

I'm a gamer, so I often nitpick rules and inaccuracies. i try not to do it around here. I'm alot more fun if you pick a good movie set during either world war, preferable one with a recognizable battle. For a well-done battle scene I can ignore a good number of inaccuracies, and I though Disney's use of the Blitz against London in the fall of 1940 was well done in the Peter Pan sequel, as was the use of London at its Edwardian height for the original.

138 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:27:45am

re: #135 Sheila Broflovski

You may all think this is silly, but I think Disney should do a version of Ivanhoe, so we can have a "Jewish princess" but without that horrible "J.A.P." stereotype.

They could do Salome.

139 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:28:40am

re: #136 Gus

I'm a little confused though. This "Latina Princess" doesn't look Spanish yet George Zimmerman doesn't look Spanish.

Someone in the article put it best: The problem isn't that she's light-skinned, it's that they downplay her ethnicity in the movie and chose to make her light skinned so that more children could relate to her.

Anyway, I'm not going to look to Disney for positive role models for girls anytime soon. That's not what they do.

140 Lidane  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:29:00am

re: #132 Sheila Broflovski

Disney is introducing their first "Latina" Princess, but she is neither Spanish-speaking nor from a Spanish country.

A lot of people seem to be having problems with the fact that she has auburn hair and blue eyes. I bet it would shock them to go to South America and see blue-eyed blondes and green-eyed redheads in countries like Argentina and Chile right next to dark skinned and black Latinos in Brazil and the Caribbean. Hell, I have cousins that are blonde and fair skinned and always have been.

Latino isn't a race. It's an ethnicity and a cultural identifier. Any race can be Latino. Just look around. And not all Latinos speak Spanish. I knew a lot of people, even here in Texas, that are as Latino as it gets but they can't speak a word of Spanish at all.

141 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:29:55am

Mornin' everyone. Happy Monday...It's raining!

142 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:30:25am

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

I'm a gamer, so I often nitpick rules and inaccuracies. i try not to do it around here. I'm alot more fun if you pick a good movie set during either world war, preferable one with a recognizable battle. For a well-done battle scene I can ignore a good number of inaccuracies, and I though Disney's use of the Blitz against London in the fall of 1940 was well done in the Peter Pan sequel, as was the use of London at its Edwardian height for the original.

I remember Civil War buffs complaining that the charge on Fort Wagner in "Glory" was ruined because they ran up the beach from a different direction than the original battle.

Problem was, if they had run in the steps of the original battle there would have been a bunch of condos in the background. (Though I suppose they could have blanked them out in post production)

143 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:30:48am

Bad news on 'the sky is falling' front...

[Link: maddowblog.msnbc.com...]

144 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:30:55am

re: #131 Obdicut

That was one of Disney's more shameful movies. Whitewashing the crazed, murderous, antisemitic bastards that were the Romanovs.

Fuck it, I hate the entire Princess Disney line, because fuck the concept of royalty.

How do you feel about Mulan? I like her because she's a heroine, not a princess. I haven't seen Princess & the Frog, but my daughter likes Tiana for the same reason. (Also, my daughter likes to cook.)

145 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:31:17am

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

So am I, but I've found my ulcers don't act up if I don't take things seriously unless something is being advertised exactly for its accuracy in a historical/physics/engineering sense.

146 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:31:41am

re: #141 darthstar

Mornin' everyone. Happy Monday...It's raining!

Not here, it's sunny and a balmy 54 degrees.

147 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:31:43am

And a shift in older-white male McCain voters to Obama? WTF?

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

148 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:32:04am

re: #144 Mostly sane, most of the time.

How do you feel about Mulan? I like her because she's a heroine, not a princess. I haven't seen Princess & the Frog, but my daughter likes Tiana for the same reason. (Also, my daughter likes to cook.)

I have a bunch of Disney movies for my grandkids to watch when they visit but their favorite movie is: "Bee Story."

149 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:32:25am

re: #146 NJDhockeyfan

Not here, it's sunny and a balmy 54 degrees.

Yes, but here we have a Game 7 tonight. Go Giants!

150 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:33:01am

re: #144 Mostly sane, most of the time.

How do you feel about Mulan? I like her because she's a heroine, not a princess. I haven't seen Princess & the Frog, but my daughter likes Tiana for the same reason. (Also, my daughter likes to cook.)

Yeah, I like Mulan alright, it's got some good stuff in it. It's also one of the most depreciated of Disney's movies and they don't promote her like the 'real' princess stuff.

151 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:33:58am

re: #150 Obdicut

Yeah, I like Mulan alright, it's got some good stuff in it. It's also one of the most depreciated of Disney's movies and they don't promote her like the 'real' princess stuff.

Since my daughter is 17, most of the Disney promotion we see around here is sheet music for the piano, so we "see" (hear) a lot of those two movies.

152 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:34:04am

re: #149 darthstar

Yes, but here we have a Game 7 tonight. Go Giants!

I am pulling for them. Being a Cubs fan it is my duty to root against the Cardinals.

153 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:34:23am

re: #140 Lidane

A lot of people seem to be having problems with the fact that she has auburn hair and blue eyes. I bet it would shock them to go to South America and see blue-eyed blondes and green-eyed redheads in countries like Argentina and Chile right next to dark skinned and black Latinos in Brazil and the Caribbean. Hell, I have cousins that are blonde and fair skinned and always have been.

Latino isn't a race. It's an ethnicity and a cultural identifier. Any race can be Latino. Just look around. And not all Latinos speak Spanish. I knew a lot of people, even here in Texas, that are as Latino as it gets but they can't speak a word of Spanish at all.

Image: Queen_Sofia_of_Spain.jpg

154 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:34:49am

re: #135 Sheila Broflovski

You may all think this is silly, but I think Disney should do a version of Ivanhoe, so we can have a "Jewish princess" but without that horrible "J.A.P." stereotype.

No, I like it. As long as they let Ivanhoe remain a hero in his own right. Adding 'sass' is OK and change some details if you must, but keep the essentials intact:

"Gods and fiends!" exclaimed the wounded knight; "O, for one moment's strength, to drag myself to the 'melee', and perish as becomes my name!"

"Think not of it, valiant warrior!" replied she; "thou shalt die no soldier's death, but perish like the fox in his den, when the peasants have set fire to the cover around it."

155 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:34:51am

re: #149 darthstar

Yes, but here we have a Game 7 tonight. Go Giants!

I would like to see the Tigers against the Giants because they played the Cards the last time they were in the World Series. It did not end well for the Tigers.

156 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:35:43am

re: #153 Gus

Image: Queen_Sofia_of_Spain.jpg

Fine. When do Aztecas get a princess?

157 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:36:09am

re: #156 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Fine. When do Aztecas get a princess?

Did Montezuma have a daughter?

158 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:36:33am

re: #150 Obdicut

Yeah, I like Mulan alright, it's got some good stuff in it. It's also one of the most depreciated of Disney's movies and they don't promote her like the 'real' princess stuff.

Same here. And the Huns make good villains and they posed a real threat to China.

159 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:37:07am

Racist, anti-Semite, and bigot loser is a Ron Paul fan. Who knew?

Farrakhan praises Ron Paul; blasts frontrunners national debt plans

Controversial as ever, Louis Farrakhan praised failed presidential candidate Ron Paul Sunday for wanting to close U.S. military bases overseas and slash financial aid to Israel — and blasted the frontrunners for failing to take stronger positions to curb the national debt.

The 79-year-old leader of the Chicago-based Nation of Islam gave a fiery three-hour talk to the congregation of his South Side mosque. His lecture — billed as “Guidance for our president and our nation” — weaved his musings on the Nov. 6 election with inflammatory views on Jews, gays and white supremacy.

160 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:37:14am

re: #156 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Fine. When do Aztecas get a princess?

Call me weird but while I was growing up my role models didn't have to look exactly like me. In fact one looked like a rabbit.

161 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:37:34am

re: #157 Sheila Broflovski

Did Montezuma have a daughter?

I think her name was Revenge.

162 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:39:52am

re: #157 Sheila Broflovski

Did Montezuma have a daughter?

Some went to Spain, it appears, and there are still descendants living there.

Maybe the plot line could have been his daughter from a concubine on a quest to get her father to actually know her by name?

163 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:40:39am

It's not unusual for a Disney movie to lead to outrage and protest. I think the only Disney movie I ever watched as a kid was Dumbo and I loved it. I never really thought of myself as a circus elephant.

164 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:40:41am

re: #160 Gus

Call me weird but while I was growing up my role models didn't have to look exactly like me. In fact one looked like a rabbit.

Harvey?

But seriously, it's really important for kids to have role models they can identify with. You're not weird, but you are exceptional. Humans are very influenced by hierarchical cues. Black kids in a school with pictures up of high-achieving black people do demonstrably better on tests than schools without them. Girls who are asked to write an essay about Marie Curie do demonstrably better in science classes the next year than girls who are asked to write an essay on a male scientist.

Doesn't mean we have to go about such things ham-handedly, but there's a very real and demonstrable effect on having people you can identify with in the same way society identifies you as role models.

165 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:41:04am

re: #164 Obdicut

Harvey?

But seriously, it's really important for kids to have role models they can identify with. You're not weird, but you are exceptional. Humans are very influenced by hierarchical cues. Black kids in a school with pictures up of high-achieving black people do demonstrably better on tests than schools without them. Girls who are asked to write an essay about Marie Curie do demonstrably better in science classes the next year than girls who are asked to write an essay on a male scientist.

Doesn't mean we have to go about such things ham-handedly, but there's a very real and demonstrable effect on having people you can identify with in the same way society identifies you as role models.

Bugs Bunny

166 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:41:58am

re: #163 Gus

It's not unusual for a Disney movie to lead to outrage and protest.

Really? I don't remember that many protests over Disney movies, in the US anyway.

Except this one, and they kinda had a point:


Pearl Harbour veterans protest over Disney movie

167 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:42:23am

re: #165 Gus

Bug Bunny

You're a maroon. But you're a loveable maroon.

168 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:42:37am

re: #163 Gus

It's not unusual for a Disney movie to lead to outrage and protest. I think the only Disney movie I ever watched as a kid was Dumbo and I loved it. I never really thought of myself as a circus elephant.

There was one scene in Dumbo that scared the crap out of me. That was the scene where Dumbo gets stoned on some kind of hallucinogenic and sees a bunch of very weird stuff.

169 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:42:38am

re: #163 Gus

It's not unusual for a Disney movie to lead to outrage and protest. I think the only Disney movie I ever watched as a kid was Dumbo and I loved it. I never really thought of myself as a circus elephant.

I grew up watching Disney movies and my girls just love them. I don't understand why there would be any outrage with them. They are wonderful movies.

170 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:42:59am

re: #166 Obdicut

Really? I don't remember that many protests over Disney movies, in the US anyway.

Except this one, and they kinda had a point:

Pearl Harbour veterans protest over Disney movie

I remember they had a protest in front of the Castro over something about Bambi. Wasn't very big.

171 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:43:27am

re: #165 Gus

Bugs Bunny

The opera scene from bugs bunny, the Wagner one, is one of the best short films ever made. It is goddamn wonderful.

172 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:43:33am

re: #166 Obdicut

Really? I don't remember that many protests over Disney movies, in the US anyway.

Except this one, and they kinda had a point:

Pearl Harbour veterans protest over Disney movie

That one belongs on the list of "10 Worst War Movies EVER".

173 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:44:33am

My grandkids will always choose a Dreamworks movie over a Disney one.

174 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:45:08am

re: #168 Sheila Broflovski

There was one scene in Dumbo that scared the crap out of me. That was the scene where Dumbo gets stoned on some kind of hallucinogenic and sees a bunch of very weird stuff.

Actually he gets drunk because a clown knocked some hard liquor into a water pan Dumbo drank from.

/photographic memory

175 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:45:18am

re: #166 Obdicut

Really? I don't remember that many protests over Disney movies, in the US anyway.

Except this one, and they kinda had a point:

Pearl Harbour veterans protest over Disney movie

Oh. I remember that movie. I walked out.

176 dragonath  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:45:22am

re: #126 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I think Anastasia was actually a Don Bluth movie.

Although, if you're looking for Anthropomorphized Scenery™ you have to go back to Fleischer cartoons.

177 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:46:10am

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

Actually he gets drunk because a clown knocked some hard liquor into a water pan Dumbo drank from.

/photographic memory

Must have been some hard liquor laced with LSD.

178 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:46:24am
179 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:46:44am

re: #172 Dark_Falcon

Ugh, loathed that movie. Even if you ignored the historical inaccuracies.

180 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:46:58am

re: #169 NJDhockeyfan

I grew up watching Disney movies and my girls just love them. I don't understand why there would be any outrage with them. They are wonderful movies.

Well, for example, in Anastasia, the murderous, anti-Semitic Romanovs are portrayed as good people, and the only reason given for the revolution against them is evil manipulative people.

In general, the concept of royalty and princesses is very, very anti-American, going against most of our values. I think the Founding Fathers would be really depressed to discover, two hundred years after they'd broken away from kings, that we'd still be fetishizing royalty.

The older movies just have the problem that almost all older movies have-- sexism, racism, etc. reflecting the values of their times. The roustabouts song from Dumbo being an especially egregious example. It's not a big deal, but it's something that parents should remember to talk to their kids about.

181 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:47:15am

re: #177 Sheila Broflovski

Must have been some hard liquor laced with LSD.

The best kind.

182 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:47:25am

re: #175 Gus

Oh. I remember that movie. I walked out.

Yeah, historical problems aside, it stank on ice.

183 dragonath  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:49:57am

re: #181 Gangnam Style

The best kind.

184 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:50:59am
185 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:51:26am

BBIAB

186 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:53:13am

re: #180 Obdicut

Well, for example, in Anastasia, the murderous, anti-Semitic Romanovs are portrayed as good people, and the only reason given for the revolution against them is evil manipulative people.

In general, the concept of royalty and princesses is very, very anti-American, going against most of our values. I think the Founding Fathers would be really depressed to discover, two hundred years after they'd broken away from kings, that we'd still be fetishizing royalty.

The older movies just have the problem that almost all older movies have-- sexism, racism, etc. reflecting the values of their times. The roustabouts song from Dumbo being an especially egregious example. It's not a big deal, but it's something that parents should remember to talk to their kids about.

Hey, Canuckistan has a queen still and we ain't too bad.

Talking to your kids about the difference between older values and current values is a good idea. My grandson asked a question about an old John Wayne movie, Hatari, when he was younger that made me realize he needed to know values change and that our current values, although obviously socially more responsible than older values, are still under pressure from some groups.

187 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 7:58:47am

Trio in court over 'rucksack bomb plot bigger than 7/7'

Irfan Naseer, 31, Irfan Khalid, 27, and Ashik Ali, 27, deny engaging in conduct in preparation for terrorist acts between Christmas Day 2010 and September last year.

They were among 11 people rounded up by anti-terrorist officers in the West Midlands. Brian Altman QC, prosecuting, said: “Police successfully disrupted a plan to commit an act or acts of terrorism on a scale potentially greater than the London bombings in July 2005, had it been allowed to run its course.

“Although the finer details had not been worked out and agreed on, the defendants were preparing to detonate up to eight rucksack bombs on a suicide attack, and/or detonate bombs on targets in crowded areas to cause mass death and casualties.

“One of them was even to describe their plan as another 9/11.”

188 Mocking Jay  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:03:12am

re: #175 Gus

Oh. I remember that movie. I walked out.

re: #182 Obdicut

Yeah, historical problems aside, it stank on ice.

I will watch anything with Kate Beckinsale. Yes, even if it's starring Ben Affleck.

189 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:04:42am
190 Mocking Jay  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:05:45am

re: #189 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

former head of the Mossad on Romney and Iran: "What Romney is doing is mortally destroying any chance of a resolution without war."

For some people that's a feature, not a bug.

191 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:06:20am

re: #187 Killgore Trout

Trio in court over 'rucksack bomb plot bigger than 7/7'

So anti-terror police investigations continue to work. The best thing about failed terror plots, no matter how spectacular and devastating they could have been had they succeeded? Nobody gives a shit. Yes, we're happy they failed, but whether they failed at cutting down an exit sign to confuse tourists or they failed at blowing up the Rio Grande (??) it rates the same.

One minor observation, though. If President Bush hadn't been asleep at the wheel his first eight months and took Clinton's suggestions seriously, and we somehow prevented 9/11 (not that it was Bush's fault, mind you), we wouldn't be subjected to "God Bless America" during the seventh inning stretch at all televised baseball games (for those who don't watch baseball regularly or go see the games live, before 9/11 we used to only sing "Take Me Out To The Ballgame" - though now a generation of kids think it's always been GBA in the 7th.

192 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:08:29am

re: #40 AK-47%

Moscow has an entire park dedicated to Bitterness...

My country is not a country, it's winter. - Some Russian poet whose name I forget.

193 Mocking Jay  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:10:13am
194 Artist  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:10:28am

On the subject of Russia, this is insanely catchy.

195 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:10:48am

re: #191 darthstar

we wouldn't be subjected to "God Bless America" during the seventh inning stretch at all televised baseball games

I saw that singer's costume last night and I was all WTF is that!

196 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:12:23am

As far as Lubbock goes, the easiest way to change that behavior is to start a "Lubbock embraces Bigotry" campaign. The good people in Lubbock (and I'm sure there are a couple...someone had to put those Obama signs out there) will probably recoil at the thought and the star ball-players at the local high school (who probably did this - it's usually someone who looks innocent enough at church on Sunday) will be out planting new Obama signs all next week as penance.

197 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:12:38am

re: #193 Mocking Jay

Wow, CNN …

They can go Newsweek for all I care. What a pathetic shambling zombie of an organization.

198 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:13:38am

re: #193 Mocking Jay

Wow, CNN …

CNN is trying to keep this a close race for the sake of ratings. I just hope those cocksuckers don't overdo it and push Romney over the top.

199 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:15:11am

re: #195 Sheila Broflovski

I saw that singer's costume last night and I was all WTF is that!

We all dress like that every day in San Francisco, or don't you watch Fox News?

She's from Beach Blanket Babylon. They had the same character sing in 2010 at the NLCS.

200 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:17:48am

Aw, Russell Means died. Rest in peace, Chief.

201 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:18:02am

Saudi Arabia Arrests 14 Iranian Infiltrators

Saudi officers have arrested 14 Iranians trying to infiltrate on an Iranian boat. Official version: They got lost on their wait to Kuwait.

202 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:19:26am

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

Sorry for being slow, stepped out for my commute. Not sure what kind of Lizard, we saw so much cool stuff there it's a bit of a blur. We also saw the shuttle, sort of, through a window. That display opens up later in the year.

203 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:20:45am
204 Artist  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:22:25am

re: #203 Sheila Broflovski

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205 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:27:27am

re: #163 Gus

It's not unusual for a Disney movie to lead to outrage and protest. I think the only Disney movie I ever watched as a kid was Dumbo and I loved it. I never really thought of myself as a circus elephant.

Fantasia has been my favorite Disney movie since forever.

206 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:28:00am

re: #205 Romantic Heretic

Fantasia has been my favorite Disney movie since forever.

I just like the music.

207 wheat-dogg  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:28:02am

re: #158 Dark_Falcon

Same here. And the Huns make good villains and they posed a real threat to China.

They posed a real threat to Europeans, too. Somehow Pope Leo I convinced Attila to back off invading Italy.

208 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:29:58am

re: #191 darthstar

Take me out to the ballgame is a much better song, and much more American.

209 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:30:13am

re: #166 Obdicut

Really? I don't remember that many protests over Disney movies, in the US anyway.

Except this one, and they kinda had a point:

Pearl Harbour veterans protest over Disney movie

Lord, I hated that movie. You do not dogfight a Zero in a P40 a few feet off the ground and live. I don't care how good you are. You're gonna die.

210 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:30:56am

re: #207 wheatdogg

They posed a real threat to Europeans, too. Somehow Pope Leo I convinced Attila to back off invading Italy.

How did he do that?

211 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:32:57am

re: #210 Sheila Broflovski

How did he do that?

It was probably just a fig-leaf. There were a lot of reasons for Atilla to head back. He already had shitloads of loot, there was a plague around, he had some old enemy sniping at him from somewhere, and the Pope probably promised tribute.

212 wheat-dogg  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:36:51am

re: #210 Sheila Broflovski

Teh Wikipedia suggests it was (a) a golden bribe from Leo (b) a plea for mercy (c) Attila's army was tired or (d) there be enemies coming. Whatever the case, neither Leo nor Attila are in any shape to tell us.

And totally OT, I visited a new supermarket here in west of nowhere China and found honest-to-dog whiskey. Jameson's for 148 yuan/700 ml. Sipping it now.

213 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:36:56am

re: #211 Obdicut

It was probably just a fig-leaf. There were a lot of reasons for Atilla to head back. He already had shitloads of loot, there was a plague around, he had some old enemy sniping at him from somewhere, and the Pope probably promised tribute.

Was Attila before or after Genghis Khan? From what I have read, Genghis Khan was pretty liberal for a marauding conqueror, not to mention that he spread his DNA far and wide so he must have been pretty popular with the ladies. :)

214 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:38:09am

re: #211 Obdicut

It was probably just a fig-leaf. There were a lot of reasons for Atilla to head back. He already had shitloads of loot, there was a plague around, he had some old enemy sniping at him from somewhere, and the Pope probably promised tribute.

I've also read that he was running out of horses. Horse invaders like the Huns required something like forty horses for every person in their army, horde or whatever. Once that drops below a certain number, around ten I believe, the horses get too tired too quickly for their advance to continue.

There was a distinct lack of forage for the horses in that area as well.

"Amateurs study tactics. Professionals study logistics." Helmuth van Moltke the Elder

215 wheat-dogg  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:39:03am

re: #213 Sheila Broflovski

Genghis (originator of the Genghis Style dance) came 700 years after Attila.

216 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:39:35am

re: #212 wheatdogg

Teh Wikipedia suggests it was (a) a golden bribe from Leo (b) a plea for mercy (c) Attila's army was tired or (d) there be enemies coming. Whatever the case, neither Leo nor Attila are in any shape to tell us.

And totally OT, I visited a new supermarket here in west of nowhere China and found honest-to-dog whiskey. Jameson's for 148 yuan/700 ml. Sipping it now.

When I visited Moscow in 2007, the largest section of any supermarket or even corner bodega was the alcoholic beverages. The Russians sure do lurve them their drinkies!

Also saw a lot of people drinking out of open containers right on the street.

217 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:40:26am

re: #213 Sheila Broflovski

Was Attila before or after Genghis Khan? From what I have read, Genghis Khan was pretty liberal for a marauding conqueror, not to mention that he spread his DNA far and wide so he must have been pretty popular with the ladies. :)

I recently discovered this amusing and informative YouTube channel. This episode tells much about the Mongols.

218 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:42:11am

re: #213 Sheila Broflovski

Was Attila before or after Genghis Khan? From what I have read, Genghis Khan was pretty liberal for a marauding conqueror, not to mention that he spread his DNA far and wide so he must have been pretty popular with the ladies. :)

Before. Ghenghis was a really interesting guy. I highly recommend this book:


Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World.

Ghengis Khan was 'liberal' by the standards of the age. His empire had freedom of religion, educators were exempt from taxes, women had a hell of a lot more rights than elsewhere, and if a city actually surrendered he left it alone.

However, if a city resisted him, he'd kill the fuck out of every adult there. But then the children were incorporated into the Mongol empire.

And his genderal Subutai is probably the most badass general ever, though there's a lot of debate about how much the tactics of the Mongols were the invention of Ghengis (Chingiss for some reason is the cool new way to spell it) or of Subutai .

And Chingiss almost never fought aggressive wars. What he really wanted to do was be a trade baron ruling over the Silk Road. Almost all of his wars stemmed from people killing his Ambassadors and trade missions.

219 DisturbedEma  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:46:24am

re: #188 Mocking Jay

Underworld is great, she is quite good in those movies

220 blueraven  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:50:31am

re: #208 Obdicut

Take me out to the ballgame is a much better song, and much more American.

Harry Caray is rolling over...

221 wheat-dogg  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:52:27am

re: #218 Obdicut

The so-called "barbarians" of ancient times were not so bad in some ways.

As for Sheila's remark about Genghis' way with the ladies, Wikipedia says " In Mongolia alone as many as 200,000 of the country's 2 million people could be Khan descendants." His harems had 2,000 or more concubines, and his sons were as randy as their dad.

I just added the Genghis book to my wish list. Thanks for the tip.

222 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:52:40am
223 RadicalModerate  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:56:45am

re: #203 Sheila Broflovski

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You know, about the only thing that Trump could say here that would get my attention at all is if he announces that he's endorsing Obama for re-election - and all the stuff he's done for the past two years has been a carefully-orchestrated trolling of the right wing/GOP to show how intellectually bankrupt their insane conspiracy views are.

224 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 8:57:07am

At work, have to go, but Destro found my last nerve regarding him.

225 Mocking Jay  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:06:35am

Bioshock Infinite.

Gimme gimme gimee.

226 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:06:38am

Olivia de Havilland is still alive! So's her sister, Joan Fontaine.

227 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:07:17am

Just got here. Has no one yet mentioned that the pink rag on the second pictured sign looks a bit like a noose?

228 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:08:28am

Carla Laemmle... 103

229 makeitstop  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:08:30am

re: #227 wrenchwench

Just got here. Has no one yet mentioned that the pink rag on the second pictured sign looks a bit like a noose?

Good eye. I hadn't even noticed that, what with all the N-bombs.

230 wrenchwench  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:08:53am

re: #212 wheatdogg

And totally OT, I visited a new supermarket here in west of nowhere China and found honest-to-dog whiskey. Jameson's for 148 yuan/700 ml. Sipping it now.

With breakfast?!?

Oh, wait. Time zones.

231 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:10:24am

re: #226 Gus

Olivia de Havilland is still alive! So's her sister, Joan Fontaine.

So is Fidel Castro.

Generalissimo Franco, however, is still dead.

232 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:10:34am

re: #36 engineer cat

mustard, a seasoning apparently made, like too many things, of sarcasm, jealousy, imagined slights and real pain caused only by random circumstance and impersonal fate, fate and circumstance cruelly impervious oh let us find something to focus our pain oh cruel fate will anger and hate let me forget you if only for an evil, hurtful moment?

trouble and strife are the lot of man, and from this cruel earth we have but one true escape

If you recite the above in a German accent, you can pretend it's from a Werner Herzog documentary about the history of French's Mustard.

233 Mocking Jay  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:11:23am

Stephen Colbert to Cameo in The Hobbit

THR is reporting that the rumors are true about Comedy Central 'pundit' Stephen Colbert appearing in a cameo in The Hobbit. Unfortunately, Colbert won't be appearing in the upcoming The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, but one of the other films in the series that will be released later. Colbert is a known fanatic of Tolkein's works and teased the cameo in an interview with Playboy earlier this month.

234 lostlakehiker  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:11:25am

re: #13 Romantic Heretic

I believe it's going to get worse before it gets better. I think there are a lot of people out there who will not accept Obama winning again and they will take his second term as a call to arms.

We have had a lot of elections. Only one led to a civil war. The odds favor this one being like the rest---the winner wins, the loser concedes unless he's Al Gore, and the inauguration goes off peacefully.

If Romney loses, he will concede. His concession speech will call upon Americans of all political persuasions to abide the verdict of the vote. There won't be riots, there won't be shootings. (Apart from, perhaps, domestic disputes that brew up between partners who backed different candidates, the sort of singleton nonsense that infests daily life.)

If Obama wins, there won't be any of that either (apart from perhaps ....)

235 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:12:09am

re: #96 Obdicut

Yep. And on one hand, the Soviet Union fell so maybe there's cause for optimism, but then the Soviet Union fell and now we've got an ex-KGB guy running the damn show and doing the same shit.

Plus ca change.

The symbol of the KGB was the shield, or "Schit" in Russian. Which led to a T-shirt when it was replaced by the FSB: "Same old schit, different name"

236 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:12:22am

re: #231 Sheila Broflovski

So is Fidel Castro.

Generalissimo Franco, however, is still dead.

Carla was born back in 1909!

Image: Manhattan_Bridge_Construction_1909.jpg

237 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:15:08am
238 RadicalModerate  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:16:31am

re: #193 Mocking Jay

Wow, CNN …

The "FoxNews"-style headline notwithstanding, its actually a pretty good piece calling out the rightwing fundamentalist Christian hate groups for their rather disgusting attacks on Obama's religious beliefs.

For example is this relating of Kansas Gov. Sam Brownback's dogwhistle attack on Obama while the two shared a stage, and Obama's very appropriate reply:

When Brownback rose to speak, he joked that he had joined Obama earlier at an NAACP meeting where Obama was treated like Elvis and he was virtually ignored. Turning to Obama, a smiling Brownback said, “Welcome to my house!”

The audience exploded with laughter and applause. Obama rose, walked before the congregation and then declared:

“There is one thing I have to say, Sam. This is my house, too. This is God’s house.”

The story itself talks about how closely President Obama follows what is referred to as the "Social Gospel", which was the predominant Protestant theology during the late 19th to early 20th Century.

Also, I notice that CNN has changed the headline also to a less incendiary "The Gospel According to Obama" on their main page.

239 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:20:14am

Gawd. Never change, Arizona.

A student newspaper in the US has been forced to apologize for publishing a cartoon which seemed to encourage violence against gay people.

The comic strip which appeared in the Arizona Daily Wildcat features a father telling his son: 'If you ever tell me you're gay...I will shoot you with my shotgun, roll you up in a carpet and throw you off of a bridge.'

To which the child joked: 'Well I guess that's what they call a Fruit Roll-Up!'

Hilarious!

240 Mocking Jay  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:21:37am
241 blueraven  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:25:14am

Another bogus Romney talking point bites the dust

In the last debate Romney said if Obama's energy plan was working, gas prices would go down.

Gas prices could soon drop 50 cents a gallon

As inventories rises and demand wanes, gasoline prices could plunge up to 50 cents a gallon from October's $3.86 peak average over the next few weeks, providing a lift for the economy and possibly becoming a factor in next month's presidential election.

Gasoline, now averaging $3.67 a gallon, is expected to fall to $3.35 or lower by late November. In some regions, prices have already sunk below $3.

"Most of the country is heading appreciably lower the next few weeks,'' says Tom Kloza of the Oil Price Information Service, who notes wholesale prices in some key markets have dropped from as high as $4.35 a gallon to $2.71. Pump prices typically lag big wholesale drops. But Kloza expects retail prices to sink five to 15 cents a gallon over each of the next three weeks.

242 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:25:26am
243 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:28:05am

re: #239 erik_t

Ahh, good 'ole gay jokes (can throw in misogynist/race type jokes in as well), the perfect tool of 'humor' for those who are horrifically unfunny.

244 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:28:41am

re: #239 erik_t

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245 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:29:56am

re: #241 blueraven

The Obama Whitehouse is rigging the oil prices to help him get elected!//

246 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:30:05am

Just in:

Lubbock County Republican chairman Carl Tepper went on local radio this morning to claim the local Dems had vandalized their own signs. His Democratic counterpart, Kenny Ketner, called in to give a correction.

247 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:32:15am

re: #246 Shiplord Kirel

Just in:

Lubbock County Republican chairman Carl Tepper went on local radio this morning to claim the local Dems had vandalized their own signs. His Democratic counterpart, Kenny Ketner, called in to give a correction.

No true conservative always.

248 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:34:07am

Yesterday rumors of Gloria Allred and a claim on the Romney campaign,
today it's trumps turn again.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

249 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:36:53am

re: #248 Daniel Ballard

Yesterday rumors of Gloria Allred and a claim on the Romney campaign,
today it's trumps turn again.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Allred
Trump
OctSurprise.com

Wait in line.

250 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:36:58am

re: #248 Daniel Ballard

Yesterday rumors of Gloria Allred and a claim on the Romney campaign,
today it's trumps turn again.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You'd think after the last time PBO cockslapped Trump over his stupidity, he'd tone it back a bit.

251 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:38:14am

Allred probably has some woman that once worked for Bain and will announce a new sexual harassment lawsuit against Bain. Something like that.

252 Kronocide  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:38:59am

re: #249 Gus

Allred
Trump
OctSurprise.com

Wait in line.

Who will deliver the decisive OctoBomb? Stay tuned after a word from our sponsors.

253 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:40:31am

re: #252 Kronocide

Who will deliver the decisive OctoBomb? Stay tuned after a word from our sponsors.

All of them. It's just the same old rehash. If Allred does whip some sexual harassment law suit it'll be a sleeper.

254 dragonath  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:42:02am

re: #236 Gus

Bet the ferry operator in that picture wasn't so thrilled.

255 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:42:17am

re: #253 Gus

All of them. It's just the same old rehash. If Allred does whip some sexual harassment law suit it'll be a sleeper.

Either that or she found that woman Mitt counseled for her pregnancy.

256 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:42:23am

re: #252 Kronocide

If it wasn't so creepy and horrible, I'd make an Octomom joke.

257 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:44:24am

Peggie Hayes perhaps.

258 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:44:35am

Fischer: The UN is 'Deliberately Seeding" Muslims Throughout the Southern United States

On Friday's radio program, Bryan Fischer reiterated his call to ban immigration to the United States from Muslim-majority nations because "while there are moderate Muslims, no one has yet developed a error-free way to tell the difference between the Muslims we have to worry about and the ones we don’t. Until that day comes, we must be cautious about them all."

While discussing this point on his program, Fischer warned his listeners that the United Nations, with the help of the US government, was systematically importing Muslims into America and "deliberately seeding them" all throughout the South:

259 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:44:45am

re: #253 Gus

That thing with Meg Whitman was certainly trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. But it got a lot of play anyway.

260 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:46:11am

re: #259 Daniel Ballard

That thing with Meg Whitman was certainly trying to make a mountain out of a molehill. But it got a lot of play anyway.

Allred's coming stunt could have the reverse effect.

261 RadicalModerate  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:47:45am

re: #258 Kragar

Fischer: The UN is 'Deliberately Seeding" Muslims Throughout the Southern United States

If that isn't a neo-Confederate dogwhistle, I'll eat my damn hat.

262 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:49:29am

re: #258 Kragar

We're just planning another war of aggression from upstairs. Nothing to see here.

/Patiently waiting for the first Southerner to scream "WOLVERINES!" and shoot up a Mosque because of this deranged bullshit.

263 erik_t  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:50:41am

re: #258 Kragar

Fischer: The UN is 'Deliberately Seeding" Muslims Throughout the Southern United States

I'd call Bryan Fischer a modern-day Father Coughlin, but he's probably worse than Father Coughlin.

264 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:51:37am
266 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:54:01am

re: #258 Kragar

Fischer: The UN is 'Deliberately Seeding" Muslims Throughout the Southern United States

I for welcome our kebab overlords. And naan bread. Oh man naan bread is good. Seriously Fischer is fucking nuts. How pathetic it is that political candidates appear on his show.

267 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:57:18am

re: #218 Obdicut

Before. Ghenghis was a really interesting guy. I highly recommend this book:

Genghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World.

Ghengis Khan was 'liberal' by the standards of the age. His empire had freedom of religion, educators were exempt from taxes, women had a hell of a lot more rights than elsewhere, and if a city actually surrendered he left it alone.

However, if a city resisted him, he'd kill the fuck out of every adult there. But then the children were incorporated into the Mongol empire.

And his genderal Subutai is probably the most badass general ever, though there's a lot of debate about how much the tactics of the Mongols were the invention of Ghengis (Chingiss for some reason is the cool new way to spell it) or of Subutai .

And Chingiss almost never fought aggressive wars. What he really wanted to do was be a trade baron ruling over the Silk Road. Almost all of his wars stemmed from people killing his Ambassadors and trade missions.

It was his grandson Kublai Khan who fouled up, trying sea expeditions against Japan in hastily built ship, which thus broke up when hit by the typhoons that were known as the 1st and 2nd Kamikaze (literally, "Divine Wind"). He followed that up with expeditions against Burma (where his troops won the only pitched battle, but half of them died and all they returned with was 12 elephants) and against Vietnam, where disease decimated the Mongol army and their cavalry was of little use in the jungle.

268 RadicalModerate  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:57:59am

re: #246 Shiplord Kirel

Just in:

Lubbock County Republican chairman Carl Tepper went on local radio this morning to claim the local Dems had vandalized their own signs. His Democratic counterpart, Kenny Ketner, called in to give a correction.

You know, with all of the bad press that the Lubbock Republican Party has gotten during the past few months, one would think that they would get the hint and try toning down the violent rhetoric.

Pages:
What It Means to Be a Republican in Lubbock (A Review of the Local GOP Platform)!

Republican Judge in Texas Warns of ‘Civil War’ if Obama Reelected

269 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:58:40am

re: #266 HappyWarrior

I for welcome our kebab overlords. And naan bread. Oh man naan bread is good. Seriously Fischer is fucking nuts. How pathetic it is that political candidates appear on his show.

Nah, what's worse is that he has such a large following of like-minded semi-functional dumbshits. There's a strong base of delusional people in the country, and they have to be played to.

270 freetoken  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 9:59:28am

On the other side of the world:

Italian scientists jailed for not warning of deadly quake

An Italian court jailed seven experts on Monday for failing to issue adequate warnings to the public before a deadly earthquake hit the town of L'Aquila in 2009, killing 309 people. The landmark case has angered the scientific community.

[...]

Wow.

271 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:00:16am

re: #270 freetoken

On the other side of the world:

Italian scientists jailed for not warning of deadly quake

Wow.

In the US, they get paid big buck from oil companies for not giving adequate warnings.

272 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:00:51am
273 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:00:52am

re: #264 Gus

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274 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:01:29am

re: #270 freetoken

On the other side of the world:

Italian scientists jailed for not warning of deadly quake

Wow.

Reminds me of the old PR/China.

275 geoduck  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:03:47am

CNN must have gotten complaints; the Obama headline now reads "The Gospel according to Obama".

276 freetoken  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:05:04am

Oil falls below $90; pump prices continue to drop

U.S. drivers are finally seeing relief at the gas pump. The nationwide average for a gallon of gas fell nearly 5 cents over the weekend to $3.665. That's the lowest price since early August.

Liquid fuels are commodities - they go up and down in price depending on supply and demand.

277 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:05:45am

re: #270 freetoken

On the other side of the world:

Italian scientists jailed for not warning of deadly quake

Wow.

The bottom line, as 5,000 scientists wrote to Italy's president in an open letter, is that "there is currently no scientifically accepted method for short-term earthquake prediction."

Source

278 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:07:28am

Hey Byran, this one's for you:

279 Lidane  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:09:37am

Hey Charles -- this just happened:

MDB2 Error: connect failed

Not sure what that is, but figured you'd want to know.

280 freetoken  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:09:53am

re: #277 Gus

People want scapegoats.

Which is what Romney will try his best to provide the bloodthirsty wingnuts tonight, in the shape of Barack Obama.

Truth be damned.

281 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:10:26am

re: #279 Lidane


That makes two of us, and I got a reply button and no Quote button. Strange

282 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:10:37am

re: #278 Dark_Falcon

Hey Byran, this one's for you:

[Embedded content]

You know that there's two sets of lyrics to this song?

One for each side.

283 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:10:45am

re: #280 freetoken

People want scapegoats.

Which is what Romney will try his best to provide the bloodthirsty wingnuts tonight, in the shape of Barack Obama.

Truth be damned.

Here's the judge...

[Link: cache1.asset-cache.net...]

Cough, cough, cough.

284 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:11:24am

re: #277 Gus

The bottom line, as 5,000 scientists wrote to Italy's president in an open letter, is that "there is currently no scientifically accepted method for short-term earthquake prediction."

Source

Yes, but the public wanted scapegoats and the judge gave them their scapegoats. In earlier times to Italy, they might have been killed by gladiators in the area in order to fully sate the angry mob.

/Sorry, but that judge's action reminded of such Roman actions irresistibly.

285 freetoken  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:12:45am

We do lover our coal.

Ray Pierrehumbert takes on Mitt Romney:

Mitt Romney's Coal Complex

286 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:13:02am

re: #283 Gus

Here's the judge...

[Link: cache1.asset-cache.net...]

Cough, cough, cough.

Firefox says the cache containing the image has errors.

287 freetoken  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:13:20am

re: #283 Gus

"Access to the webpage was denied"

288 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:13:21am

re: #285 freetoken

We do lover our coal.

Ray Pierrehumbert takes on Mitt Romney:

Mitt Romney's Coal Complex

"I LOVE COAAAAL!" - Coalfinger

289 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:13:42am

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

Firefox says the cache containing the image has errors.

Works here. Let me find another link.

290 Lidane  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:14:07am
291 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:14:22am

This one should work.

[Link: www.gettyimages.com...]

292 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:15:01am

What is Italy without a farce?

293 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:15:52am

re: #291 Gus

This one should work.

[Link: www.gettyimages.com...]

Looks fairly ordinary to me.

294 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:16:24am

[Link: twitter.com...]

Heh.

295 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:16:39am

Logging off to open in Chrome...

296 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:16:46am

re: #280 freetoken

I think PBO would be smart to tie everything Romney wants to do w.r.t. foreign policy to economic issues. Tough on China, the price of goods produced there goes up. War with Iran=skyrocketing oil prices and possible global shortages. Put it in terms people can easily understand. Try to explain the benefits of the employment of drone strikes vs. actual troop incursions.

And, conversely, Romney will try to tell everyone that Iran is going to nuke Israel and send people to kill them in their beds. (I'm sure DF will have some actual advice for Willard.)

297 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:19:10am

re: #294 NJDhockeyfan

[Link: twitter.com...]

Heh.

Oops. Well, that's on those two ladies. It's nothing Biden did wrong. Good for a cheap laugh, but nothing more.

298 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:19:15am

re: #291 Gus

I have no idea why this picture made me think of you.
Image: SiqvJ.jpg

299 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:19:51am

re: #298 Obdicut

I have no idea why this picture made me think of you.
Image: SiqvJ.jpg

Goose?

300 freetoken  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:20:18am
Here are questions and answers about the final debate, beginning 9 p.m. EDT and lasting until about 10:30 p.m.

Q. Who gets the first and last word?

A. Romney gets the first response to the opening question and the last closing statement.

Q. Wait a minute. Isn't that unfair?

A. No. The order was decided by separate coin tosses.

Q. Foreign policy can be complicated. Will there be enough time to dig deep into the issues?

A. Yes. The moderator has planned for six 15-minute segments. Each segment begins with a question, followed by two-minute responses for each candidate and discussion facilitated by the moderator.

Q. Who chooses the questions and the topics?

A. The moderator, Bob Schieffer of CBS News.

Q. What are the topics for the six segments?

A. America's role in the world; our longest war, Afghanistan and Pakistan; red lines and Israel and Iran; two segments on the changing Middle East and the new face of terrorism; the rise of China and tomorrow's world. The topics may come up in a different order and could change as warranted by breaking news.

Q. Where will the debate be held?

A. In Florida, one of the key battleground states, at Lynn University's theater in Boca Raton.

Q. Obama and Romney did a lot of walking around in the last debate, even circling each other. Will we see that again?

A. No. That was for the town-hall format. The candidates will be seated at the now-familiar, half-moon table owned by the Commission on Presidential Debates.

Q. How many people are watching the debates on television?

A. An estimated 65.6 million viewers watched the second presidential debate on Oct. 16, according to the Nielsen Co. Some 67 million people watched the first debate on Oct. 3.

Q. Is that the total number of debate viewers?

A. No. It doesn't count people watching on the Internet.

We're being half-mooned tonight.

301 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:20:54am

re: #55 A Mom Anon

I don't do bumper stickers but I was tempted to put a right-wing sticker of some sort on my electric car just to blow someone's mind! Of course, here in Northern CA, a Romney sticker could be dangerous.

(For the record, I've already voted for Obama, via mail-in absentee ballot)

302 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:21:48am

re: #299 Gus

Goose?

Maybe it reminded me of Daffy Duck. Who I actually liked better than Bugs, because he was more underdoggy and more completely batshit insane.

303 William of Orange  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:22:09am

FORGIVE ME IF THIS LOOKS LIKE I'M VANDALIZING THE LGF WEB PAGE, BUT I ALMOST FORGOT, TODAY IS INTERNATIONAL CAPSLOCK DAY!

304 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:22:17am

re: #298 Obdicut

I have no idea why this picture made me think of you.
Image: SiqvJ.jpg

Well, if you're seeing that on the road, then you're sure to be honked at.

305 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:23:09am

re: #298 Obdicut

I have no idea why this picture made me think of you.
Image: SiqvJ.jpg

Aflac!

306 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:23:15am

This is funny. So to speak.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

307 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:23:36am

I think I'll watch Honey Boo Boo instead!

(Actually, I'll fast forward through them. I need to get my 3 hours/day done at the piano or else I don't feel good. Piano practice comes first!)

308 Pip's Squeak  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:23:37am

re: #63 Shropshire_Slasher

In upstate NY, I have seen very few Obama or Romney signs, and a handful of local names. Usually in election season, political signs are more prolific than leaves on the ground.

Living abroad, I happened to just have spent a couple of weeks in Orange County, California. It was the same as in upstate New York: very, very few Obama or Romney signs. What signs there were were all for mayor, alderman etc.

309 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:24:24am

re: #300 freetoken

Q. Foreign policy can be complicated. Will there be enough time to dig deep into the issues?

A. Yes. The moderator has planned for six 15-minute segments. Each segment begins with a question, followed by two-minute responses for each candidate and discussion facilitated by the moderator.

lol

310 William of Orange  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:24:56am

re: #304 Dark_Falcon

Well, if you're seeing that on the road, then you're sure to be honked at.

I wish I could give 10 kudos for that comment. :-)

311 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:25:13am

re: #301 ReamWorks SKG

I don't do bumper stickers but I was tempted to put a right-wing sticker of some sort on my electric car just to blow someone's mind! Of course, here in Northern CA, a Romney sticker could be dangerous.

(For the record, I've already voted for Obama, via mail-in absentee ballot)

Note to all moonbats and wingnuts: If you are willing to hit someone because you do not like a political bumper sticker on their car, then you have gone off the deep end. If of the left, go hug a tree and calm down. If of the right, go hug your guns and calm down.

312 ShaunP  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:26:01am

re: #308 Pip's Squeak

Living abroad, I happened to just have spent a couple of weeks in Orange County, California. It was the same as in upstate New York: very, very few Obama or Romney signs. What signs there were were all for mayor, alderman etc.

I've seen more Romney and Obama signs than in any other election in memory. My recollection was that the Romney signs started going up after the first debate and Obama signs were more in response to them...

313 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:26:15am

re: #310 William of Orange

I wish I could give 10 kudos for that comment. :-)

I'll settle for 1 upding, if you can spare it. :)

314 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:26:15am

re: #301 ReamWorks SKG

Just drive away from the coast to some of the hick towns in NorCal, like Corning, and they'll love it. However, they might not like you being a Jew so much.

315 freetoken  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:26:47am

This will not be in tonight's "debate":


Major step to protect the world’s wildlife

Wildlife around the world now has even greater protection thanks to an agreement reached at the Convention on Biological Diversity in Hyderabad, India.

Countries from across the globe agreed to double the resources allocated to halting the decline in animal and plant species globally by 2020, which will allow countries to put in place concrete plans to protect wildlife and the natural environment.

[...]

The 193 parties have signed up for a substantial increase in global funding for biodiversity and in particular to double the total international flows of finance.


[...]

316 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:27:09am

re: #309 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

lol

As I've said, put them in separate rooms with microphones, and put the mic controls in front of the moderator. Once the candidate has bullshitted through their allotted time, they get cut off. Only way to control it. Would probably generate better answers too since they'd know they're stuck with exactly that time.

317 andres  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:27:29am

re: #311 Dark_Falcon

If you're going to hug your guns, make sure they are unloaded first...

318 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:28:00am

re: #307 ReamWorks SKG

I think I'll watch Honey Boo Boo instead!

(Actually, I'll fast forward through them. I need to get my 3 hours/day done at the piano or else I don't feel good. Piano practice comes first!)

Couldn't you combine the two? Play along to the [muted] television. Hopefully it comes off sounding like an insane mixture of Scott Joplin, Prokofiev, and some drunk in the the hotel lounge.

319 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:28:39am

re: #317 andres

If you're going to hug your guns, make sure they are unloaded first...

And lubricated.

320 ShaunP  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:28:50am

I lol'ed:

321 dragonath  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:29:35am

re: #306 Gus

I get all my trenchant political insight from C-Span callers. True story.

322 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:30:48am

re: #321 dragonath

I get all my trenchant political insight from C-Span callers. True story.

C-Span callers... "I'm not saying it was aliens but it was aliens."

323 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:30:48am

7-Eleven Worker Gets Fired For Ripping The Clothes Off An Alleged Shoplifter

Store clerks, especially at big chain retailers, don't usually try to take things into their own hands — at least not violently — when they think someone's shoplifting.

But that wasn't true at this Brooklyn 7-Eleven.

An onlooker uploaded a video onto YouTube of 7-Eleven employees battling an alleged shoplifter, reports NBC 4 New York.

The video shows the man getting beaten and dragged around as he tries to get away. Eventually, his clothes getting totally ripped apart.

One of the workers involved has been fired, reports the AP. Two of the others are being "retrained."

The 7-Eleven employees claim that the man had previously stolen a box of Snickers from the store.

324 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:31:58am

re: #315 freetoken

This will not be in tonight's "debate":

Major step to protect the world’s wildlife

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

325 dragonath  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:33:09am

I don't think there's much wildlife diversity in the Holy See, do you?

326 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:33:21am

Trump: ‘I have something very, very big concerning the president of the United States’

"I have something very, very big concerning the president of the United States," Trump told "Fox & Friends" on Monday during a phone interview. "I will be announcing it sometime probably Wednesday and it's going to be very big."

"Will it change the election?" co-host Gretchen Carlson asked Trump.

"Possibly," Trump replied. "It's very big—bigger than anybody would know."

Eat a bag of dicks, Donnie.

327 freetoken  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:33:46am

re: #324 Gus

The US Senate, led by the likes of Inhofe, has made sure these international treaties never see the light of day in the US.

But this will not be brought up in tonight's "debate" over foreign policy, unless Obama throws it out there in the opening pitch, which I highly doubt.

328 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:34:00am
329 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:34:19am

Of course, with Romney's own son threatening violence toward the president, there's a culture of violence being promoted from the top of the GOP.

330 freetoken  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:34:59am

Screw the world, this is what the US wants:

HONEY BOO BOO Invited to Throw Down With TNA Wrestling Star

331 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:35:11am

re: #327 freetoken

The US Senate, led by the likes of Inhofe, has made sure these international treaties never see the light of day in the US.

But this will not be brought up in tonight's "debate" over foreign policy, unless Obama throws it out there in the opening pitch, which I highly doubt.

I'd have to read it. Knowing how the UN operates, after seeing what happened in Italy, etc. Just because it sounds cool doesn't mean it's cool.

332 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:35:50am

re: #330 freetoken

Screw the world, this is what the US wants:

HONEY BOO BOO Invited to Throw Down With TNA Wrestling Star

Honey Boo Boo is both the sequel and the prequel to "16 and Pregnant."

333 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:37:32am

re: #325 dragonath

I didn't see any, other than the crowds

Image: 5990808722_feee5b079e_b.jpg

334 andres  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:38:00am

re: #326 Kragar

Trump: ‘I have something very, very big concerning the president of the United States’

Eat a bag of dicks, Donnie.

I know what he got! The real birth certificate from Kenya!!

// Still Palin is a better choice.

335 HappyWarrior  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:38:30am

Donald Trump's act is old and sad.

336 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:40:30am

re: #311 Dark_Falcon

Note to all moonbats and wingnuts: If you are willing to hit someone because you do not like a political bumper sticker on their car, then you have gone off the deep end. If of the left, go hug a tree and calm down. If of the right, go hug your guns and calm down.

re: #323 NJDhockeyfan

I'm guessing they don't want employees doing shit about shop-lifters, because 1, isn't it covered by insurance, and even if not, 2 they could get hit with a civil suit for way more than any box of snickers is worth.

337 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:41:03am

re: #333 ReamWorks SKG

I didn't see any, other than the crowds

Image: 5990808722_feee5b079e_b.jpg

That looks like Karl Pilkington from An Idiot Abroad.

338 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:42:22am

re: #335 HappyWarrior

Was it ever not? I mean he's always been...off, but lately he's just gone completely off the deep end. Guy needs a friggin' hobby.

339 dragonath  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:42:53am

re: #338 Ghost of Tom Joad

[Link: worldonline.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com...]

340 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:42:57am

Trump's announcement is going to be his hair declaring independence and launching it's own new reality show.

341 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:43:17am

re: #337 NJDhockeyfan

That looks like Karl Pilkington from An Idiot Abroad.

That's Reuven. ;)

342 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:44:13am

re: #336 Ghost of Tom Joad

re: #323 NJDhockeyfan

I'm guessing they don't want employees doing shit about shop-lifters, because 1, isn't it covered by insurance, and even if not, 2 they could get hit with a civil suit for way more than any box of snickers is worth.

One would like to think that maybe the human beings who make these policies also value human life over a box of snickers.

In the absence of evidence not, I choose to believe that the 7-11 "No Hero" policy is meant to save lives.

343 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:45:42am

re: #327 freetoken

The US Senate, led by the likes of Inhofe, has made sure these international treaties never see the light of day in the US.

But this will not be brought up in tonight's "debate" over foreign policy, unless Obama throws it out there in the opening pitch, which I highly doubt.

It's a feature, not a bug. By requiring all treaties to gain the approval of 2/3rds of the Senate, to which all states get the same two seats, the Founders intended to allow fairly small minorities to be able to block treaties. Obama will not speak of such treaties, which have languished since Bill Clinton's time, because he really can't push them through. In my home state of Illinois, a biodiversity treaty might well have support of both the state's senators, for neither Richard Durbin nor Mark Kirk dislikes the UN, nor are the majority of their constituents overly hostile to it. But in a state like Montana it doesn't matter if the Senator is a Democrat or a Republican; either fellow will vote 'no' on such a treaty, since his constituents will see it as an attempt at outside interference in their lives, which the are intensely opposed to.

344 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:45:45am

re: #323 NJDhockeyfan

Good. Attacking people for petty theft is fucking stupid.

345 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:46:03am

re: #342 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Considering the food products sold at 7-11, I don't think valuing life is anywhere near the top of their priority list :-)

346 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:46:17am

Jimmy Carter never ceases to blame Israel for the problems with the Palestinians. It's always their fault.

Jimmy Carter Says Mideast Peace Is 'Vanishing'

Former U.S. President Jimmy Carter said Monday during a visit to Jerusalem that the prospect of an Israel-Palestinian peace accord is "vanishing," blaming Israeli settlement of the West Bank.

Carter, a longtime critic of Israeli policies, called the current situation "catastrophic" and blamed Israel for the growing isolation of east Jerusalem from the West Bank. He said a Palestinian state has become "unviable."

347 Killgore Trout  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:46:35am

Iranian state press: Iran's N. Rights Acknowledged by Obama

TEHRAN (FNA)- Senior Iranian parliamentary sources revealed on Saturday that the Swiss envoy to Tehran has quoted US President Barack Obama as acknowledging Iran's nuclear rights.

It seems this report is no more credible than the NYT report over the weekend. Maybe the NYT was duped by the Iranians?

348 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:47:00am

re: #343 Dark_Falcon

The founders did not envision the incredibly wide population differences between states that we have now. The makeup of the Senate as it stands now is one of the main reasons this country is so fucked up, unfortunately.

There is no reason why my vote should become fifty times more important if I move to Wyoming.

349 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:48:16am

re: #336 Ghost of Tom Joad

re: #323 NJDhockeyfan

I'm guessing they don't want employees doing shit about shop-lifters, because 1, isn't it covered by insurance, and even if not, 2 they could get hit with a civil suit for way more than any box of snickers is worth.

That's how it always is in retail. Just pushing someone who is hitting you away might well get you fired. It's not about what's right, it's about liability calculations, which is another way of saying "It's all about the money."

350 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:49:23am

re: #343 Dark_Falcon

A foreign body, treaty, convention, or otherwise cannot dictate US government funding. Something as simple as a treaty which says "double your spending on biological diversity projects" would just not pass constitutional muster. However well intentioned it may be. Otherwise we'd be opening the door all sorts of things. The first step they'd have to take would be to repeal the Supremacy Clause.

351 brennant  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:50:34am

re: #320 ShaunP

I lol'ed:

[Embedded content]

He also glows in the dark.

352 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:53:28am

re: #332 Kragar

Honey Boo Boo is both the sequel and the prequel to "16 and Pregnant."


Still, at least she and her family aren't gay-haters.
Although that's just a 'not-negative' in my book. Saying "We support our relatives, regardless of their sexual orientation" draws from me a Chris Rock-style "YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO!".

353 dragonath  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:54:12am

The Senate is supposed to blow off steam but things end up simmering and festering for a long time. The Slavery Crisis would likely not have happened if the seats were apportioned for population.

I don't like the idea of having something break before things get fixed. And by "break", I mean the environment.

354 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:56:50am

re: #346 NJDhockeyfan

Jimmy Carter never ceases to blame Israel for the problems with the Palestinians. It's always their fault.

Jimmy Carter Says Mideast Peace Is 'Vanishing'

Garsh, Jimmy! Maybe if the Palestinians would stop trying to blow Israelis up, then maybe the Israelis wouldn't have to institute extraordinary security measures to protect themselves. It's radical, but it just might work!

/What a maroon.

355 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:59:06am

re: #301 ReamWorks SKG

I don't do bumper stickers but I was tempted to put a right-wing sticker of some sort on my electric car just to blow someone's mind! Of course, here in Northern CA, a Romney sticker could be dangerous.

(For the record, I've already voted for Obama, via mail-in absentee ballot)

You drive a Volt, so have a bumper sticker: "WARNING: THIS VEHICLE MAY RANDOMLY BLOW UP ESPECIALLY IF HONKED OR CUT OFF"

356 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:59:10am

Trump: ‘Fox & Friends’ deserves ‘as much’ credit as Obama for killing bin Laden

Trump snarked that Obama was “experienced” on foreign policy because “everything he’s done is wrong.”

“He’s going to be able to say, I ordered the hit on bin Laden,” host Steve Doocy noted.

“By the way, he didn’t get bin Laden,” Trump insisted. “Fellas and folks, the military got bin Laden. He said, OK. Who else wouldn’t do that? When they come and they tell you they have have bin Laden, he could say, don’t get him — which I don’t think anybody would say — or get him.”

“But he didn’t get bin Laden,” the billionaire birther added. “He had as much to do with that as you did.”

357 AK-47%  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 10:59:13am

re: #354 Dark_Falcon

Garsh, Jimmy! Maybe if the Palestinians would stop trying to blow Israelis up, then maybe the Israelis wouldn't have to institute extraordinary security measures to protect themselves. It's radical, but it just might work!

/What a maroon.

It is not only that there are people on both sides of the conflict who don't want to see a peaceful settlement, there are forces outside intervening to assure that things will never settle down.

I gave up following the situation there in regards to them reaching a settlement years ago

358 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:00:06am

re: #354 Dark_Falcon

Garsh, Jimmy! Maybe if the Palestinians would stop trying to blow Israelis up, then maybe the Israelis wouldn't have to institute extraordinary security measures to protect themselves. It's radical, but it just might work!

/What a maroon.

The folks in Gaza celebrated Carter's support with fireworks...

7 rockets, Mortars Slam Israel in Latest Attack From Gaza

359 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:00:53am

re: #350 Gus

A foreign body, treaty, convention, or otherwise cannot dictate US government funding. Something as simple as a treaty which says "double your spending on biological diversity projects" would just not pass constitutional muster. However well intentioned it may be. Otherwise we'd be opening the door all sorts of things. The first step they'd have to take would be to repeal the Supremacy Clause.

Yes, but there is also the hostility to the UN, which is not wholly or in some cases even mostly irrational. The issues of anti-Americanism, corruption, and incompetence in the United Nations frequently surface, sometimes brought up by the New York Times, even. But when the UN ignores such criticism, even from non-nutcase news agencies the are decently disposed to it, it earns itself a harvest of distrust in the US.

360 dragonath  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:01:10am

Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter

Al Gore

361 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:01:49am

Did LGF Master Spy stop working?

362 dragonath  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:02:08am

It's Jimmy Carter's fault.

363 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:02:37am

re: #340 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Trump's announcement is going to be his hair declaring independence and launching it's own new reality show.

Well, if nothing else he'll likely mention the birth of his son Donald Jr.'s 4th child.

364 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:02:56am

Joel Gilbert Swings a Florida Voter

When Ron and Judy Cindrick received what was billed as "a must-watch DVD" in their mailbox, they decided to see what "Dreams from My Real Father" was all about.

Judy said what she saw shocked her.

"I was absolutely appalled when I began to watch this and they began to show pictures of Barack Obama's mother, his supposed mother, naked," she said.

Ron said watching the pseudo-documentary turns his stomach, and his vote. He believes the Obama conspiracy-type film has to be politically motivated.

"I am a registered Republican, and as of today, I will vote for Barack Obama after receiving this DVD," said Ron.

365 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:03:40am

re: #360 dragonath

Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter Tacos Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter Tacos Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter Jimmy Carter

Al Gore

366 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:03:59am

re: #362 dragonath

It's Jimmy Carter's fault.

Nah, both NJDHF and I know Obama doesn't share Carter's Palestinian delusions, but we both like to mock Carter when he says DERPy things.

367 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:04:26am

re: #357 AK-47%

It is not only that there are people on both sides of the conflict who don't want to see a peaceful settlement, there are forces outside intervening to assure that things will never settle down.

I gave up following the situation there in regards to them reaching a settlement years ago

The Middle East is the tar pit that every Presidential Administration seems to never steer clear of. They seem to think they can dabble with (or dive fully into) it and cause some breakthrough that will cement their foreign policy legacy.

The truth is that the situation will not settle until sufficient majorities and leaders with sufficient political capital and willingness to make and enforce decisions based on statesmanship rather than politics appear on both sides at the same time. And then somehow make it stick for a few decades until it becomes the new status quo.

368 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:05:28am

Gotta run. Have a great day!

369 dragonath  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:08:07am

I know what the October Surprise is:

Trump's hair killed Osama Bin Laden.

You heard it here first, folks.

370 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:09:25am

Martin Sheen and Woody Harrelson Sign Up For 9/11 Truther Movie ‘September Morn’

The 9/11 Truth movement, which denies that terrorism was the cause of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, has always had deep roots in movies. In 2005, the first Loose Change movie, which marshalled so-called evidence for the theory, was released streaming online and in a limited DVD run: three editions have been released since. But now, the movement is leveling up with September Morn, a closer-to-Hollywood production that’s meant to act as a call for a new investigation into the attacks separate from the 9/11 Commission. Normally, I’d ignore this kind of thing for the silliness that it is. But as the Truther movement’s ambitions have expanded cinematically, it also seems to have captured some new adherents, including two that could give the project a worrisome credibility.

It’s particularly depressing that Woody Harrelson and Martin Sheen would lend their credibility to a project like this, and I almost can’t believe that it’s true. Other members of the announced cast either burned through their talent or their credibility long ago. Daniel Sunjata, who’s probably best known for his work in Rescue Me, is a noted, long-term truther. As much as I share Jay and Silent Bob’s enthusiasm for Judd Nelson, he is not exactly what you’d call a major movie star these days. But Harrelson is at a second, impressive crest in his career, and Sheen has both accumulated West Wing good will to burn with politically-oriented filmgoers and has stumped for Obama in the past. Without them, this would be a project with a no-name writer, a director who did Jack Nicholson’s stunts in As Good As It Gets (I would, I have to admit, love to know what that entailed), and a collection of actors who might attract small, passionate followings, but nothing else. Harrelson and Sheen have made this project news instead of another entry in the conspiracy trash heap.

371 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:09:39am

re: #369 dragonath

I know what the October Surprise is:

Trump's hair killed Osama Bin Laden.

You heard it here first, folks.

Osama Bin Laden was not killed and has been hiding out all this time in Donald Trump's hair.

372 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:11:01am

re: #371 Sheila Broflovski

Osama Bin Laden was not killed and has been hiding out all this time in Donald Trump's hair.

Trump's hair was Bin Laden's handler.

373 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:11:14am

re: #371 Sheila Broflovski

Osama Bin Laden was not killed and has been hiding out all this time in Donald Trump's hair.

Maybe Trump's hair and OBL's beard were related? And the hair wants revenge!

374 dragonath  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:12:16am

Nah, that's Mirror Universe Trump. He's a really humble guy.

375 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:13:03am

Middle East peace has been in a state of almost vanishing for as long as I can remember.

376 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:13:04am

Akin Adviser: If A Dog, McCaskill Would Be A ‘Bullshitsu’

Rick Tyler, an adviser to Republican Senate candidate Todd Akin in Missouri, tweeted Monday that if Democratic Sen. Claire McCaskill were a dog, she would be a "Bullshitsu."

If Claire McCaskill were a dog, she'd be a "Bullshitsu",
— Rick Tyler (@rickwtyler) October 22, 2012

The comment comes after Akin drew fire for comments likening McCaskill to a dog at a fundraiser Saturday. “She goes to Washington, D.C., and it’s a little bit like, uh, you know, one of those dog, you know, ‘fetch,'" Akin said. She goes to D.C. “and gets all of these taxes and red tape and bureaucracy and executive orders and agencies and she brings all of this stuff and dumps it on us in Missouri…"

If you're going to be an insulting prick, at least be original.

If Tyler was a dog, he would be a Dickshund.

377 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:14:53am

re: #370 Kragar

Martin Sheen and Woody Harrelson Sign Up For 9/11 Truther Movie ‘September Morn’

Harrelson's been a conspiracy nut for a long time, maybe he got it from working with Oliver Stone and Wesley Snipes.

Martin Sheen, on the other hand, my have picked up his willingness to indulge Troofers from his eldest son, as Charlies Sheen has been a Troofer for some time now.

What I also know is that if either those two goes on Bill Maher's show near or after that film's release they may well catch Hell for it. Whatever else is true, Bill Maher has hammered Troofers right from the beginning.

378 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:15:10am

re: #374 dragonath

Nah, that's Mirror Universe Trump. He's a really humble guy.

Things Mr Welch is not allowed to do in an RPG:

325. Even if he was a paragon of humanity in his alternate dimension, Good Hitler Trump is not an appropriate superhero concept.

379 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:15:28am

re: #376 Kragar

Somehow, just stating "if she were a dog" sets off some misogynistic bells, especially coming from an Akin adviser.

380 dragonath  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:16:50am

re: #376 Kragar

Ah, I hear the voice of Jesus speaking through his many servants.

381 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:17:08am

re: #378 Kragar

In the "Riverworld" series, Herman Goering is a heroic figure seeking redemption, but only after a hell of a lot of death and reincarnation.

382 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:18:43am

re: #381 Obdicut

In the "Riverworld" series, Herman Goering is a heroic figure seeking redemption, but only after a hell of a lot of death and reincarnation.

Never could quite get into that series.

383 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:19:28am

We make jokes about Trump's hair, but the fact is that every man who wears a toupee looks lame. I don't know what it is about toupees for men but they are the most fake-looking head crap you ever saw. No amount of money can make a man's toupee look better than a natural bald head or a shaven bald head.

Why don't they just embrace their baldness, or wear a hat, or get fitted for a woman's hairpiece?

384 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:21:14am

re: #381 Obdicut

In the "Riverworld" series, Herman Goering is a heroic figure seeking redemption, but only after a hell of a lot of death and reincarnation.

This is actually close to the Judaic version of judgment in the afterlife. Nobody is damned to burning hell for eternity. That other religion, the one that claims to be more compassionate, made that up.

385 dragonath  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:21:24am

re: #383 Sheila Broflovski

Because that makes him look like Ernst Stavro Blofeld

Image: 070402_balddonald_vlrg_5a.standard.jpg

386 Mattand  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:22:11am

Italian scientists convicted of manslaughter for earthquake risk report

As I posted in the comment section: Right now, every Republican in America is looking at Italy with envy.

"Those Italians have it right! Is there anyway we can throw global warning scientists and people who teach evolution in jail for years?"

387 Ghost of Tom Joad  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:22:49am

re: #385 dragonath

Still miles better than the 'Something About Mary' hairdo he gets anytime a breeze touches the top of his head.

388 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:24:05am

re: #387 Ghost of Tom Joad

Still miles better than the 'Something About Mary' hairdo he gets anytime a breeze touches the top of his head.

Those are the feeder tendrils attempting to catch bugs, like a whale sifting for plankton.

389 Obdicut  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:24:33am

re: #382 Kragar

Never could quite get into that series.

There are a lot of writers who I feel have great concepts but lack, well, writing ability. Sterling is always this way to me. His world is interesting, characters are intriguing, but in the end he can't write well enough to describe the awesome world he has.

390 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:24:34am

Foreign Policy experience!!!

Halvey: ... Negotiating with Iran is perceived as a sign of beginning to forsake Israel. That is where I think the basic difference is between Romney and Obama. What Romney is doing is mortally destroying any chance of a resolution without war. Therefore when [he recently] said, he doesn’t think there should be a war with Iran, this does not ring true. It is not consistent with other things he has said. […]

I can see why our Couch WarriorsTM want Romney to win. There's nothing like 24/7 shock & awe on the TV to keep them entertained and patriotic.

391 Gus  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:24:36am

bbl

392 darthstar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:25:27am

re: #390 darthstar

Foreign Policy experience!!!

I can see why our Couch WarriorsTM want Romney to win. There's nothing like 24/7 shock & awe on the TV to keep them entertained and patriotic.

But what does the Mossad know about Israeli foreign policy?
//

393 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:27:33am

re: #381 Obdicut

In the "Riverworld" series, Herman Goering is a heroic figure seeking redemption, but only after a hell of a lot of death and reincarnation.

Alongside Lothar von Richthofen, Manfred's younger brother. Thus representing respectively the newly-risen but often backward looking middle classes (Goering's father was a civil servant and the former administrator of what is today Namibia) of Germany and the Junker military aristocrats.

394 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:29:18am

re: #384 Sheila Broflovski

This is actually close to the Judaic version of judgment in the afterlife. Nobody is damned to burning hell for eternity. That other religion, the one that claims to be more compassionate, made that up.

Hell is described only once in the Bible, every other description comes from the middle ages. The idea that Satan rules hell is also a medieval fabrication. The Bible stated the fallen angels were sent to hell as punishment, nothing about them ruling anything.

395 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:33:27am

re: #387 Ghost of Tom Joad

Still miles better than the 'Something About Mary' hairdo he gets anytime a breeze touches the top of his head.

That's his hair feeding. It's obviously not drawing nutrition from Trump's brain.

396 lawhawk  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:33:27am

re: #375 Gus

Peace in the Middle East is a mirage. Always seeming to be just out of the range of Presidents hoping to cement their legacy of achievement since Truman in 1948. Carter's foreign policy legacy would have been on solid ground with Camp David, but for the Iranian revolution and subsequent hostage crisis undermining and crippling his chances heading into the election year. And yes, I know that Carter played a secondary role - it took Sadat's willingness to go to Jerusalem to make a deal with Begin for a peace process to begin, but Carter recognized the opportunity and made sure to make the funds available to ease the transition and land for peace provisions palatable for Israelis reluctant to accept a peace deal where they had to give up land (Sinai) that by land mass was more than twice the size of Israel (even including the Golan, Jerusalem, and West Bank) - ~60,000km versus 27,799km.

397 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:35:33am
398 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:37:15am

Oops. That little glitch was my fault - tried to tweak something and it turned out to be a bad idea.

399 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:37:31am

re: #383 Sheila Broflovski

We make jokes about Trump's hair, but the fact is that every man who wears a toupee looks lame. I don't know what it is about toupees for men but they are the most fake-looking head crap you ever saw. No amount of money can make a man's toupee look better than a natural bald head or a shaven bald head.

Why don't they just embrace their baldness, or wear a hat, or get fitted for a woman's hairpiece?

I don't think that's a piece. I think that's a comb-over.
The part starts on the side of his head, by his ear, not closer to the top where most un-bald men part their hair.

400 Charles Johnson  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:38:12am

There we go - finally getting unstuck.

401 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:38:35am

re: #394 Kragar

Hell is described only once in the Bible, every other description comes from the middle ages. The idea that Satan rules hell is also a medieval fabrication. The Bible stated the fallen angels were sent to hell as punishment, nothing about them ruling anything.

The afterlife is not mentioned in the Hebrew scriptures, but it is mentioned in the Mishnah, Chapters of the Fathers: "This world is like an entryway into the next world. Prepare yourself in the entry hall before entering the main hall."

402 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:39:09am

Todd Akin Arrested on May 9, 1987 with Radical Anti-Abortion Group

We wondered why Akin’s campaign calculated that they’d be better off breaking their promise to the media than revealing what happened. Could it be that there’s “something damaging in the details of the arrest or the protest he had joined,” we asked. The answer, we now know, is yes.

We learned from a public records request that Akin was arrested on May 9, 1987 in St. Louis. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch covered the protest and reported the following day that police “arrested 30 anti-abortion protesters” for blocking “the front doors of Reproductive Health Services” while about “50 anti-abortion activists picketed two clinics” in St. Louis County. The Post-Dispatch quoted the spokesman for the protesters, John Ryan, who said the actions “were in honor of Mother's Day.”

At the time, Ryan was head of the Pro-Life Direct Action League. He and his organization were among those sued by the National Organization for Women in 1986, which sought to “stop what it called a nationwide conspiracy to close abortion clinics.” “We believe there is a reign of terror going on,” said Eleanor Smeal, then president of NOW. She labeled Ryan – who had been “arrested almost 350 times” by then – a “terrorist.”

This is who Akin chose to get involved with in 1987 – and it gets worse. Ryan was pushed out as head of the Pro-Life Direct Action League around September 1987 and replaced by an aggressive, fundamentalist leader, Tim Dreste. Dreste affiliated the group with Randall Terry’s radical Operation Rescue the following summer. This is the same Randall Terry who later said of abortion providers, “When I, or people like me are running the country, you’d better flee, because we will find you, we will try you, and we’ll execute you.”

403 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:44:44am

Surrogate says Scott Brown supports women: ‘A strong man allowed you to blossom’

A surrogate for Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown is telling voters that the Republican lawmaker supports women because he is a “strong man” with a wife and two daughters, who he “allowed” to “blossom.”

The Boston Globe on Monday reported that a Friday campaign event at the University of Massachusetts Lowell featured a number of female surrogates, including Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) and former Lowell Mayor Rita Mercier (D).

Mercier “pointed to Brown’s wife and daughters as evidence of his support for women, calling them ‘three adorable good woman that are strong and vibrant and independent. You don’t get that way unless you have a strong man that allowed you to blossom.’” according to the Globe.

Allowed?

404 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:47:19am

re: #403 Kragar

Surrogate says Scott Brown supports women: ‘A strong man allowed you to blossom’

Allowed?

Yes, all good in a woman comes from Him.

//

405 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:49:14am

re: #384 Sheila Broflovski

This is actually close to the Judaic version of judgment in the afterlife. Nobody is damned to burning hell for eternity. That other religion, the one that claims to be more compassionate, made that up.

Some of us folks in that other religion believe in that kind of universalism, too.

406 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:50:33am

re: #403 Kragar

Surrogate says Scott Brown supports women: ‘A strong man allowed you to blossom’

Allowed?

I take exception to the use of the word allowed, but I definitely support the idea that good men support the women in their lives in pursuing their dreams and developing their brains and their talents.

One of my favorite quotes from a woman about her husband of fifty-plus years was "You have given me wings to fly, and I have loved you for it."

407 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:58:11am

re: #403 Kragar

Surrogate says Scott Brown supports women: ‘A strong man allowed you to blossom’

Allowed?

LOL

These people have no idea what they're saying.

408 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 11:59:06am

re: #406 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I take exception to the use of the word allowed, but I definitely support the idea that good men support the women in their lives in pursuing their dreams and developing their brains and their talents.

One of my favorite quotes from a woman about her husband of fifty-plus years was "You have given me wings to fly, and I have loved you for it."

Indeed. The word 'allowed' is problematic, but the passage is still appropriate if its meaning is that Scott Brown nurtured his daughter talents, taught them well, and shielded them from harm." Which is what I think Ms. Mercier was trying to say.

409 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 12:00:42pm

Remember, folks, Scott Brown is not Todd Akin and so his supporters can be given the benefit of the doubt on this one. The choice of words was likely no more than a mistake.

410 GeneJockey  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 12:05:26pm

re: #399 Gangnam Style

I don't think that's a piece. I think that's a comb-over.
The part starts on the side of his head, by his ear, not closer to the top where most un-bald men part their hair.

I saw an analysis of Trump's combover, based on a picture showing the top of his head under bright lights. It has two layers. The bottom layer is a left-to-right combover, then above that is a back-to-front.

411 gwangung  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 12:09:22pm

re: #409 Dark_Falcon

Remember, folks, Scott Brown is not Todd Akin and so his supporters can be given the benefit of the doubt on this one. The choice of words was likely no more than a mistake.

I think, as a racial minority totally offended by Brown's behavior to Native Americans, I will give less benefit.

Racism and sexism spring from the same well in my experience.

412 Kragar  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 12:15:16pm

re: #408 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. The word 'allowed' is problematic, but the passage is still appropriate if its meaning is that Scott Brown nurtured his daughter talents, taught them well, and shielded them from harm." Which is what I think Ms. Mercier was trying to say.

I'm not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

413 b_sharp  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 12:17:48pm

re: #410 GeneJockey

I saw an analysis of Trump's combover, based on a picture showing the top of his head under bright lights. It has two layers. The bottom layer is a left-to-right combover, then above that is a back-to-front.

Carpet weave.

414 JayDee1956  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 1:05:02pm

I never post here although I read through the posts and comments often. I had to share this picture from my hometown paper in Staunton, Virginia.
[Link: www.newsleader.com...]
(Shenandoah Valley just west of Charlottesville)Deer Carcass

415 lostlakehiker  Mon, Oct 22, 2012 4:42:55pm

People should leave other peoples' yard signs alone. But that goes for both sides. assault...


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