Paul Ryan Doesn’t Understand Obama’s “Horses and Bayonets” Jibe

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Whenever I see an experienced politician like Paul Ryan say something this absurdly stupid, I wonder: is he really so dumb that he honestly doesn’t understand Obama’s very simple point in bringing up horses and bayonets as examples of outdated military technology — or is he really that horrifyingly cynical, to treat his audience as mindless parrots incapable of making even the most elementary logical connections when they’re spelled out?

We report, you decide.

I do know that if Mitt Romney is really that concerned about the military, it’s strange that he didn’t say a single word about America’s military veterans in the debate.

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361 comments
1 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:02:20pm

He is not stupid. He is cynical.

2 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:02:22pm
Paul Ryan doesn't understand Obama's "Horses and Bayonets" Jibe

For once in my life, I believe Paul Ryan.

3 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:02:43pm
I do know that if Mitt Romney is really that concerned about the military, it’s strange that he didn’t say a single word about America’s military veterans in the debate.

His concern for the military is of a piece with his concern for the businesses Bain dealt with. It doesn't extend to the actual human beings doing the work and suffering the consequences.

4 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:02:54pm
... is he really that horrifyingly cynical, to treat his audience as mindless parrots incapable of making even the most elementary logical connections when they’re spelled out?

My guess would be the above.

5 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:03:36pm

He's the consummate career politician, the guy who says "I don't need to know what any of this stuff does! So long as it wins me more votes, I'm all for it!"

6 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:04:28pm

32 WARSHIPS!

7 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:04:54pm

"Our navy will be smaller than it has been since before WWI"...The New Romney/Ryan slogan: "Dread nought, America!"

8 A Mom Anon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:05:12pm

Can one be cynical and stupid? If so,then that's my choice. Ryan doesn't strike me as the sharpest knife in the drawer.

9 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:05:45pm

Ryan needs someone to use smaller words and explain it to him.

Ryan is the kind of kid who would trade away a dull ole dime for a shiny penny because the penny was bigger.

10 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:06:41pm

This comparing of Naval sizes a century apart is hilariously stupid.

Dear wingnuts,
The US Navy of 2012 would ROFLStomp the US Navy of 1917.

11 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:06:51pm
“To compare modern American battleships with bayonets, I just don’t understand that comparison,” the Wisconsin Republican said. “Look, we have to have a strong Navy to keep peace and prosperity.”

We haven't had a battleship at sea in 20 years.

12 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:08:41pm

re: #11 Kragar

We haven't had a battleship at sea in 20 years.

And even then it was merely a diversion.

13 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:09:22pm

Ryan is simply appealing to the sentiments of those people who truly don't understand what Obama said. He himself is not that stupid, justy trying to get stupid people on his side.

14 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:11:18pm

I would not expect the average person on the street to know that there is no such thing as a "modern battleship," American or otherwise. This guy, though, wants to be a heart-beat away from Commander-in-Chief. At that level this is pretty basic knowledge, something like the difference between a tank and an APC, and Ryan's ignorance is inexcusable.

15 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:11:44pm

The US army had 8 million men in 1945, now it barely has 1.5 million. Obviously we need to reinstate the draft.

/General Romney

16 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:11:53pm

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel

Is he getting security briefings, along with Romney?

17 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:12:09pm

re: #15 Kragar

The US army had 8 million men in 1945, now it barely has 1.5 million. Obviously we need to reinstate the draft.

/General Romney

Job creation!

18 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:12:16pm

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel

I would not expect the average person on the street to know that there is no such thing as a "modern battleship," American or otherwise. This guy, though, wants to be a heart-beat away from Commander-in-Chief. At that level this is pretty basic knowledge, something like the difference between a tank and an APC, and Ryan's ignorance cynicism is inexcusable.

FTFY

19 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:13:17pm

LOL.....ABC/Wash. Post released their poll results today, blasting out to Twitter that Romney has taken a 1% lead!!!!!!

Actual poll results? Romney - 48.51%, Obama 48.44%. They rounded the numbers to turn a .07% "lead" into 1%

20 kirkspencer  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:13:29pm

re: #17 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Job creation!

and all we need to do is pay for it with (the word that shall not be named).

21 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:13:49pm

re: #16 Obdicut

Is he getting security briefings, along with Romney?

Quite likely. The briefers probably didn't mention battleships though, on the assumption that Ryan would have done at least the basic homework.

22 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:14:44pm

re: #21 Shiplord Kirel

Quite likely. The briefers probably didn't mention battleships though, on the assumption that Ryan would have done at least the basic homework.

Well that explains Texas keeping their dreadnought around just in case.
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23 dragonfire1981  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:16:11pm

re: #19 JamesWI

LOL.....ABC/Wash. Post released their poll results today, blasting out to Twitter that Romney has taken a 1% lead!!!!!!

Actual poll results? Romney - 48.51%, Obama 48.44%. They rounded the numbers to turn a .07% "lead" into 1%

Romney and the 1% huh? That seems appropriate enough.

24 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:17:02pm

re: #14 Shiplord Kirel

I would not expect the average person on the street to know that there is no such thing as a "modern battleship," American or otherwise. This guy, though, wants to be a heart-beat away from Commander-in-Chief. At that level this is pretty basic knowledge, something like the difference between a tank and an APC, and Ryan's ignorance is inexcusable.

Closest thing to a "modern" battleship is the Kirov class and the Russians built a grand total of four of them, with one taking the better part of the 90s to complete and another spending most of the 90s in mothballs.

The last battleships in the US Navy were leftovers from WWII and they're now all being turned into museums. Been on the USS Wisconsin a few times in Norfolk and they are a sight to behold.

25 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:17:18pm

re: #16 Obdicut

Is he getting security briefings, along with Romney?

I don't know, but it shouldn't matter. Anyone with even 1/435th of an ability to declare war has an absolute mandate to understand things to at least a basic-wikipedia level.

26 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:18:55pm

re: #21 Shiplord Kirel

Quite likely. The briefers probably didn't mention battleships though, on the assumption that Ryan would have done at least the basic homework.

You'd think he'd bother to take a gander at what military forces we have where, and in doing so, notice that we lack battleships.

27 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:19:01pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

Closest thing to a "modern" battleship is the Kirov class and the Russians built a grand total of four of them, with one taking the better part of the 90s to complete and another spending most of the 90s in mothballs.

The last battleships in the US Navy were leftovers from WWII and they're now all being turned into museums. Been on the USS Wisconsin a few times in Norfolk and they are a sight to behold.

Yep and technically the Kirov is a guided missile cruiser, though often called a battlecruiser.

28 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:19:05pm

Republicans are despicable trash:

29 dragonfire1981  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:19:18pm

I suspect that when a lot of people hear the word "Battleship", what they think of (besides the board game) is actually a Destroyer.

30 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:20:13pm

Ryan: "Tanks? Those are those things we pay our backers in Ohio for, right?"

31 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:20:21pm

re: #26 Obdicut

You'd think he'd bother to take a gander at what military forces we have where, and in doing so, notice that we lack battleships.

Given that he announced his VP candidacy aboard a fucking museum battleship, one would think that even the least curious person on earth would wonder why it's a museum, and if others were museums, and what equivalents the USN currently had in service.

32 A Mom Anon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:20:43pm

I think I want a pony and a bayonet for Christmas.

Or maybe some Fiestaware ,I can't decide.

33 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:20:58pm

re: #27 Varek Raith

Yep and technically the Kirov is a guided missile cruiser, though often called a battlecruiser.

They're also examples of Soviet-era overcompensation, building a big-ass ship whose sinking would be harder to overcome than sinking a smaller and less capable ship.

34 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:22:51pm

re: #29 dragonfire1981

I suspect that when a lot of people hear the word "Battleship", what they think of (besides the board game) is actually a Destroyer.

A lot of people apparently also think Honey Boo Boo is entertainment. Their ignorance is not an excuse.

35 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:23:11pm

DF just re-tweeted this approvingly....

Yes, DF is a full-blown wingnut, his protestations on this site aside.

36 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:23:45pm

re: #33 Targetpractice

They're also examples of Soviet-era overcompensation, building a big-ass ship whose sinking would be harder to overcome than sinking a smaller and less capable ship.

Much suggests that the reason the Kirovs became so huge is that their command-ship nature (itself a big volume/weight driver) made them a sufficiently prestigious project that every weapons manufacturer-factory-whatever just had to get their systems aboard. Important for low-level politics.

The Kirovs are notable for deploying, with I think two exceptions, literally every surface-ship combat system in production at the time.

37 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:24:27pm

re: #29 dragonfire1981

I suspect that when a lot of people hear the word "Battleship", what they think of (besides the board game) is actually a Destroyer.

I suspect you are right.
Also, people don't realize that an Arleigh Burke is similar to a WW2 cruiser in terms of size.

38 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:24:35pm

re: #32 A Mom Anon

I think I want a pony and a bayonet for Christmas.

Or maybe some Fiesta ware ,I can't decide.

Pony + Bayonet = Unicorn

Image: unicorn.jpg

39 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:24:39pm

re: #35 JamesWI

DF just re-tweeted this approvingly....

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Yes, DF is a full-blown wingnut, his protestations on this site aside.

So?

40 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:24:53pm

re: #34 Kragar

A lot of people apparently also think Honey Boo Boo is entertainment. Their ignorance is not an excuse.

Careful, you fool! Speak not of "She Who Must Not Be Named," lest you bring her vengeance upon us again!

///

41 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:24:54pm

And of course, even ignoring the vastly increased capabilities of modern US warships, Romney was simply repeating an already debunked lie:

The same data set shows that during the years 2005 to 2008, the number of active ships was 282, 281, 278 and 282, respectively -- each of which were below the levels of 2009, 2010 and 2011. In other words, each of the final four years under George W. Bush saw lower levels of active ships than any of the three years under Obama. The number of surface warships also bottomed out in 2005 under Bush, later rising by about 10 percent under Obama.

42 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:26:01pm

re: #39 Gangnam Style

So?

Besides the incredible stupidity of that thinking? I guess nothing....

43 A Mom Anon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:26:03pm

re: #38 Kragar

Awesome. I want one of those then.

And some Fiestaware. I've been a good girl this year.

44 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:26:06pm

re: #40 Targetpractice

Careful, you fool! Speak not of "She Who Must Not Be Named," lest you bring her vengeance upon us again!

///

HONEY BOO BOO! HONEY BOO BOO! HONEY B- *URK*

45 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:26:15pm

I am sure that there are many things that Paul Ryan doesn't understand. Romney just didn't do well in the last 2 debates. That's all he needs to understand.

46 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:26:24pm

re: #24 Targetpractice

Closest thing to a "modern" battleship is the Kirov class and the Russians built a grand total of four of them, with one taking the better part of the 90s to complete and another spending most of the 90s in mothballs.

The last battleships in the US Navy were leftovers from WWII and they're now all being turned into museums. Been on the USS Wisconsin a few times in Norfolk and they are a sight to behold.

I think there are eight still afloat, and all are already museum ships or in the process of being made one.
Texas (Houston, TX)
North Carolina (Wilmington, NC)
Massachusetts (Boston, MA)
Alabama (Mobile, AL)
Iowa (Los Angeles, CA)
Missouri (Pearl Harbor, HI)
New Jersey (Camden, NJ)
Wisconsin (currently in VA)

I've been on the Texas, North Carolina, and the New Jersey. Large, but squat monsters.

(Later folks, off for a happy hour.)

47 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:26:57pm

"Very well. Thank you, Congressman. We can begin your naval technology briefing now. First, steel ships float because they are hollow........
.....as for types of ships, we can begin with the trireme. This was common in Greek and Roman times. It had 3 banks of oars and a ram on the bow, er, that's the very front. We don't use these, but the Greek Navy still has one. It is not operational but it would ruin your whole day if it happened to run down your yacht."

48 Amory Blaine  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:27:46pm

It's nice that he takes care of himself physically with the p90x. I only wonder if it isn't at the sacrifice of other "equally" important aspects.

49 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:27:59pm

re: #47 Shiplord Kirel

"Very well. Thank you, Congressman. We can begin your naval technology briefing now. First, steel ships float because they are hollow........
.....as for types of ships, we can begin with the trireme. This was common in Greek and Roman times. It had 3 banks of oars and a ram on the bow, er, that's the very front. We don't use these, but the Greek Navy still has one. It is not operational but it would ruin your whole day if it happened to run down your yacht."

Triremes are sexy.

50 A Mom Anon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:29:02pm

re: #35 JamesWI

Birth Controlled Pills?? Hahahaha. I can only laugh at them now,I'm surrounded by this level of dipshit. They frighten me,but I have to laugh or I'd freaking cry. All.The.Time.

51 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:29:05pm

re: #35 JamesWI

DF just re-tweeted this approvingly....

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Yes, DF is a full-blown wingnut, his protestations on this site aside.

It's really sort of sad. He seems smarter than this, but for some reason his commitment to the Party trumps everything else. The cognitive dissonance must be horrendous.

52 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:29:18pm

re: #19 JamesWI

LOL.....ABC/Wash. Post released their poll results today, blasting out to Twitter that Romney has taken a 1% lead!!!!!!

Actual poll results? Romney - 48.51%, Obama 48.44%. They rounded the numbers to turn a .07% "lead" into 1%

Heh, thems the rules of rounding.

48.51 becomes 49. 48.44 becomes 48.

Politifact will label it as "mostly true", no?

BTW, reporting these percentages as having 4 significant digits doesn't really mean much in these things, as polling binary choices gives one integer results, and the % calculations are just going to be misleading with such a small integers regardless of rounding method.

53 theheat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:29:37pm

Every time I see this smarmy creep, I instantly recall the Barney Google song. Barney Google, with the goo-goo-googly eyes.

Youtube Video

I don't see focused young politician. I see serial killer. I see the guy with the lame pickup lines a sensible girl would throw her drink on, and run.

54 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:31:02pm

re: #51 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

It's really sort of sad. He seems smarter than this, but for some reason his commitment to the Party trumps everything else. The cognitive dissonance must be horrendous.

It's why I won't discuss politics with him.
Other than that, he's cool.

55 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:31:48pm

Fox News host: ‘Bayonets’ zinger means Obama has ‘gone native’

During a segment on Fox News the following day, conservative strategist Michael Reagan told Kelly that the “horses and bayonets” line may have been too harsh for undecided voters.

“It showed Barack Obama, who he is: very condescending,” the son of the former president explained. “You begin to see why he’s accomplishing nothing in Washington, D.C., where my father was accomplishing everything in Washington, D.C. because when he spoke to you, he spoke with you. He did not speak down to you.”

“Last night, no respect from the president of the United States towards Mitt Romney, a lot of presidential respect — as if he were already the president — from Mitt Romney to, in fact, the other,” Reagan added.

“That’s an interesting point, that it speaks to an ability to be bipartisan,” Kelly agreed. “And whether the president has that, and whether he’s been in Washington maybe too long, maybe it’s gotten to him and he’s sort of gone native because the guy who was going to be hope and change got to Washington, and now he sounds a lot like the people he said he was going to change.”

56 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:32:14pm

re: #55 Kragar

Fox News host: ‘Bayonets’ zinger means Obama has ‘gone native’

"Gone native". I wonder whatever that could mean.

/

57 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:32:57pm

re: #55 Kragar

Fox News host: ‘Bayonets’ zinger means Obama has ‘gone native’

They're weird.

58 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:33:00pm
"where my father was accomplishing everything in Washington, D.C. because when he spoke to you, he spoke with you. He did not speak down to you.”

Oh, there you go again.

59 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:33:10pm

re: #55 Kragar

Fox News host: ‘Bayonets’ zinger means Obama has ‘gone native’

I'd be condescending towards a fool who thinks the numbers of the 1917 navy mean any damn thing in the year 2012.
XD

60 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:33:21pm

re: #56 erik_t

"Gone native". I wonder whatever that could mean.

/

You're racist for noticing any hint of possible racism.

61 boredtechindenver  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:34:01pm

re: #35 JamesWI

DF just re-tweeted this approvingly....

[Embedded content]

Yes, DF is a full-blown wingnut, his protestations on this site aside.

Well, this Dan Savage page is dedicated from me to DF.

62 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:34:28pm

re: #56 erik_t

"Gone native". I wonder whatever that could mean.

/

I think it just means he's become assimilated into the Washington Insider culture instead of changing it as he came in hoping to do, but your mileage may vary.

63 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:34:41pm

Talking down to people is perfectly acceptable when they say something completely idiotic and expect to be taken seriously.

64 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:35:30pm

re: #63 Kragar

Talking down to people is perfectly acceptable when they say something completely idiotic and expect to be taken seriously.

OUR MODERN PLANES ARE MISSING AN EXTRA SET OF WINGS!

65 dragonfire1981  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:35:32pm

re: #55 Kragar

Fox News host: ‘Bayonets’ zinger means Obama has ‘gone native’

is "Gone native" a nice way of saying "angry black man"?

66 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:36:24pm

re: #49 Varek Raith

Triremes are sexy.

I'll have one as national flag ship if Obama and Soros appoint me UN High Commissioner for occupied Texas in a couple of years. It could be rowed by FEMA camp inmates who want time off their, uh, re-education syllabus.

67 AK-47%  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:37:07pm

Obama tried to be diplomatic and non-condescending and he "lost" the first debate.

So it was to be expected that the reactions to his less diplomatic and more condescending approach would meet this kind of "How dare he talk that way to the future President?" response from Fox et al.

68 kirkspencer  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:41:03pm

re: #67 AK-47%

Obama tried to be diplomatic and non-condescending and he "lost" the first debate.

So it was to be expected that the reactions to his less diplomatic and more condescending approach would meet this kind of "How dare he talk that way to the future President?" response from Fox et al.

heh - how dare you talk to the future President the way he talks to you.

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69 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:45:08pm

re: #65 dragonfire1981

is "Gone native" a nice way of saying "angry black man"?

No, it's an even more racist way of saying it.

70 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:47:25pm
71 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:48:20pm
72 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:49:03pm

re: #71 Gus

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We need an old priest and a young priest!

73 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:49:52pm

re: #68 kirkspencer

heh - how dare you talk to the future President the way he talks to you.

//

...

How dare you attack the future WHITE president Mr. Black man!!

74 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:50:44pm

59.2 million viewers last night.

75 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:51:26pm

re: #74 Gus

59.2 million viewers last night.

Was that peak? Because I doubt all sat through the whole snoozer.

76 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:51:55pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

Was that peak? Because I doubt all sat through the whole snoozer.

I imagine.

77 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:51:56pm

Todd Akin’s militia ties exposed

In August, BuzzFeed uncovered a St. Louis Post-Dispatch article from 2000 reporting that Akin had been invited to speak at a rally of the 1st Missouri Volunteers militia in 1995. He apparently didn’t attend the rally, instead sending a laudatory letter to be read to the gathering. According to the paper, a video of the rally “shows a man in camouflage fatigues reading Akin’s letter to a crowd of 300.” The letter read, in part: “The local militia can bring a positive influence to our community…. Your patriotism and concern for our state and nation is to be commended.”

When the news became a campaign issue in August, Akin claimed ignorance. “I didn’t know who they were, I didn’t want to have anything to do with them,” he told conservative radio host Laura Ingraham. He said the same thing 12 years ago when an opponent raised the issue in an earlier campaign: “Akin said he was invited to speak to the group but was uncomfortable and turned down the invitation,” the Post-Dispatch reported at the time.

But new information casts doubt on that claim. The full Post-Dispatch story, which was not included in the BuzzFeed story, also reported that “a flier promoting the 1995 event billed Akin as speaker.” Salon obtained the flier (view it here); it advertises a regional conference to teach participants “how to organize Missouri militias.” Akin is listed among the “special guest speakers.” How did Akin end up on the flier for the event and why did he write a gushing letter to a group he wanted nothing to do with? Further undermining his account: The only contemporaneous news report, a 1995 article not available online from The Springfield News-Leader, reported that Akin canceled because of “scheduling conflicts,” not discomfort with the militia’s leaders.

Akin’s account that he “didn’t know who they were” becomes even harder to believe in light of the news of his arrest. First, the commander of the now-defunct militia, John Moore, told Salon in August that he had known Akin long before the rally. Moore said the two had met to discuss gun-rights legislation Moore was pushing when Akin was a state representative in the later 1980s: “I’ve known Todd a long time,” he said.

78 darthstar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:52:18pm

Three hits - one swing of the bat.

Image: 102212-hunter-pence-5.gif

79 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:52:43pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

Was that peak? Because I doubt all sat through the whole snoozer.

[Link: blog.nielsen.com...]

80 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:54:31pm

re: #77 Kragar

Todd Akin’s militia ties exposed

Sweet fucking jesus that man is a nutjob.

81 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:54:43pm

re: #78 darthstar

Three hits - one swing of the bat.

Image: 102212-hunter-pence-5.gif

Who replaced the pitcher with a cannon?

82 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:56:13pm

re: #19 JamesWI

LOL.....ABC/Wash. Post released their poll results today, blasting out to Twitter that Romney has taken a 1% lead!!!!!!

Actual poll results? Romney - 48.51%, Obama 48.44%. They rounded the numbers to turn a .07% "lead" into 1%

urk

that gives me an ugly feeling since they had obama ahead by three last week

83 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:57:11pm

Why the Bible Is the Best Voters Guide (Not a parody)

A male (Exodus 18:21; Deuteronomy 1:13)
The Scriptures require that we "choose wise, understanding, and knowledgeable men." The word men used here is not the generic term for "mankind" but rather the word for "male." Everywhere the qualifications for civil leaders are mentioned in the Bible, males – not females – are identified.

Sorry ladies.

84 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:58:32pm

“In basic training new soldiers learn to fight with a bayonet to help instill an aggressive warrior spirit, but on the modern battlefield you are about as likely to see bayonets fixed to rifles as you are high heels on your commanding officer...”
-- R. Lee Ermey

A little dated on the high-heels on a commanding officer thing perhaps but I think people should understand his point.

85 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:58:38pm

Notes on the Bayonet:

It was a bayonet charge by the 20th Maine that prevented the Confederates from turning the Union flank at Gettysburg.

And a Scottish unit made a very successful bayonet charge in Iraq:

Liveleak Video
86 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 2:59:44pm

re: #83 Kragar

From the same author; 5 Man-Killers That Threaten to Take Men Down

Feminism

Many men are feminists at heart. They have "PMS" – "Passive Male Syndrome." Except with men, it is not isolated to once a month. They get there honestly by simply growing up in a culture that is breathing feminist air.

Their brains have been pickled in feminist juices for so long that they don't even know how deeply their thinking has been saturated. From the time of their birth, they have been steeped in feminism via the media and their pagan education.

When you breathe feminist air all your life as most of us have, it is almost impossible to be a real man. There are many symptoms. For example, men won't lead. They won't teach. They won't exhort their wives. They are afraid of their daughters. They won't restrain their children. They are not willing to die for anything. They think, "Nothing is that important anyway. Hand me the remote."

Men, silence this man-killer by rising up to uphold God's design for men and women. "But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man" (1 Cor. 11:3). Remember that this condition is a sign of a culture in collapse, "As for My people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them" (Isa. 3:12). "Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish" (Eph. 5:25-27). Men, do your job regardless of what the culture has told you. Stop being ashamed of what you are. Stand up and act like a man.

87 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:00:06pm

Jim Hoft, hilariously dim as always: Gaffetastic!... Obama Flubs His Military Attacks on Mitt Romney (Video) | the Gateway Pundit

Poor Barack Obama.
He tried to be slick and attack Mitt Romney on on the military - but ended up humiliating himself.
Here are his snide remarks during the debate:

"But I think Governor Romney maybe hasn't spent enough time looking at how our military works. You mentioned the Navy, for example, and that we have fewer ships than we did in 1916. Well, Governor, we also have fewer horses and bayonets, because the nature of our military's changed. We have these things called aircraft carriers, where planes land on them. We have these ships that go underwater, nuclear submarines."

Now here's the truth...
Marines still use bayonets.
Horses were used by the military during the Iraq invasion.

Obama also does not know the difference between a ship and a boat.
Submarines are boats - not ships.
What an embarrassment.

More... Again, US Marines still use bayonets.

88 darthstar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:00:55pm

re: #81 Varek Raith

Who replaced the pitcher with a cannon?

That's Hunter Pence batting...guy looks like a wild man out there - bug-eyed and crazy...someone asked me at a game the other night where we got him and I said, "Meth lab."

89 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:01:35pm

From the link:

"I wanted to put the fear of God into the enemy. I could see some dead bodies and eight blokes, some scrambling for their weapons. I’ve never seen such a look of fear in anyone’s eyes before. I’m over six feet; I was covered in sweat, angry, red in the face, charging in with a bayonet and screaming my head off. You would be scared, too."

Corporal Brian Wood
Princess of Wales’s Royal Regiment

90 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:02:10pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

Jim Hoft, hilarious dim as always: Gaffetastic!... Obama Flubs His Military Attacks on Mitt Romney (Video) | the Gateway Pundit

Obama also does not know the difference between a ship and a boat.
Submarines are boats - not ships.
What an embarrassment.

Dumb fucker doesn't understand that submarines are 'boats' in common usage as a sort of bonding-jargon, but are listed by the US Navy along with the rest of the types of ships.

I can scarcely contain my shock.

91 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:02:16pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

Jim Hoft, hilarious dim as always: Gaffetastic!... Obama Flubs His Military Attacks on Mitt Romney (Video) | the Gateway Pundit

Now here's the truth...
Marines still use bayonets.
Horses were used by the military during the Iraq invasion.

Obama also does not know the difference between a ship and a boat.
Submarines are boats - not ships.
What an embarrassment.

More... Again, US Marines still use bayonets.

Somebody should ask Hoft what he thinks "USS" stands for.

92 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:02:51pm

Anyway you should never discount the bayonet.

93 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:03:17pm

WTMTP

94 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:03:34pm

re: #90 erik_t

As if, of course, it fucking mattered at all. Is it the byproduct of inane biblical literalism, this bizarre fixation on the most pedantic possible parsing of the written and spoken word?

Or is it just because these desperate flailing idiots are desperate and flailing?

95 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:04:04pm

re: #89 Ojoe

Did you also not understand Obama's point?

96 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:04:34pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

Jim Hoft, hilarious dim as always: Gaffetastic!... Obama Flubs His Military Attacks on Mitt Romney (Video) | the Gateway Pundit

Now here's the truth...
Marines still use bayonets.
Horses were used by the military during the Iraq invasion.

Obama also does not know the difference between a ship and a boat.
Submarines are boats - not ships.
What an embarrassment.

More... Again, US Marines still use bayonets.

What a complete fucking idiot.

Yes, Marines still are issued bayonets. The last US bayonet charge was in the Korean war. In the 8 years I was in, the only time I fixed bayonets was in boot camp. In the field, no one wanted to take their bayonet along because it was one more piece of gear they could loose and they preferred their own knives.

97 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:04:36pm

re: #92 Ojoe

Anyway you should never discount the bayonet.

There hasn't been a bayonet charge by the US since Korea. The bayonet exists now more as a ceremonial item than as an effective fighting weapon. Hence why most armies who still issue them have designed new ones that double as utility knives.

98 Ojoe  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:05:32pm

OK the link is not working. Here it is, broken up so you can reassemble it in your browser:

([Link: www.liveleak.com)...]

(/view?i=0bd_1249524865)

99 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:05:52pm

re: #96 Kragar

What a complete fucking idiot.

Yes, Marines still are issued bayonets. The last US bayonet charge was in the Korean war. In the 8 years I was in, the only time I fixed bayonets was in boot camp. In the field, no one wanted to take their bayonet along because it was one more piece of gear they could loose and they preferred their own knives.

But, you see, the fact that bayonets were fixed this one time in Iraq, a war with hundreds of thousands of troops in-theater for a decade, means that something something Obama is weak on national security!

100 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:06:14pm

You can't even attach a bayonet to an M-16 with an M-203. I'd rather have the grenade launcher than a bayonet.

101 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:06:23pm

re: #98 Ojoe

OK the link is not working. Here it is, broken up so you can reassemble it in your browser:

([Link: www.liveleak.com)...]

(/view?i=0bd_1249524865)

The broken and fixed links are of equal relevance to any adult conversation on this topic.

102 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:07:50pm

No offense to our friends across the pond, but if you're in a position where fixing a bayonet to an M16 seems like a viable idea, then you're more than likely fucked.

103 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:09:38pm

M-249, the gun I lugged around for 2 years? M-2, the gun I was crew chief of for a year? No bayonet mounts.

I was issued a Kabar which I kept stuffed in my pack because the kukri I had was better for clearing brush to establish fields of fire.

104 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:10:43pm

re: #102 Targetpractice

No offense to our friends across the pond, but if you're in a position where fixing a bayonet to an M16 seems like a viable idea, then you're more than likely fucked.

You can still break and crush bones with the butt of a rifle.

105 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:11:25pm

re: #103 Kragar

Moreover, the point is really obvious: Romney's comparison is cheap, makes no sense, and shows he's not actually interested in true military strength, just positioning himself politically to gain from military issues. He wants defense spending to be pegged to an arbitrary level, regardless of need. That's a great way to get useless, bloated weapons systems that fail our soldiers when they're really needed.

106 theheat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:12:23pm

Kicking Ass: The Gilded Age and Beyond

107 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:12:26pm

re: #105 Obdicut

Moreover, the point is really obvious: Romney's comparison is cheap, makes no sense, and shows he's not actually interested in true military strength, just positioning himself politically to gain from military issues. He wants defense spending to be pegged to an arbitrary level, regardless of need. That's a great way to get useless, bloated weapons systems that fail our soldiers when they're really needed.

Romney wants to make sure his backers get a steady stream of income from the government. End of story.

108 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:13:21pm

re: #105 Obdicut

That's a great way to get useless, bloated weapons systems that fail our soldiers when they're really needed.

Or maybe useful, lean weapons that are super successful. We'll never know, because that's not the metric by which things are evaluated.

He's not even wrong about an intelligent discussion, he's actually orthogonal to the intelligent discussion. I think that's worse, but YMMV.

109 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:14:13pm

re: #107 Kragar

Romney wants to make sure his backers get a steady stream of income from the government. End of story.

It's more a cynical ploy aimed at winning the military vote in Virginia. Convince folks that, without him at the helm, there won't be as much defense spending going to Hampton Roads.

110 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:16:47pm

re: #75 Targetpractice

Was that peak? Because I doubt all sat through the whole snoozer.

The ratings for the previous debates were not released by the quarters (as it typical with other shows), at least that I could find. So I doubt this one would be any different.

That number quoted means anytime within the viewing period.

111 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:17:14pm

gone are the days of america's mighty triremes. scuttled long ago by the america-hating communist in the white house.

112 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:19:18pm

Like to ask Chuckles...er, the Honorable Mr. Ryan if he believes the Navy needs more colliers. My guess is he'd dumbly nod along and spout how we need all the ships we can get to build a "strong" Navy.

113 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:19:21pm

re: #111 SpaceJesus

gone are the days of america's mighty triremes. scuttled long ago by the america-hating communist in the white house.

We used to lose tens of thousands of men in a single day of battle, now it takes us years. Romney has a plan to fix that.

/General Romney

114 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:20:10pm

Any time you affix a bayonet to a barrel you're changing the way the barrel vibrates when firing, and if the backside of the bayonet blade is close enough to the barrel you're very slightly altering the flow of gas as it escapes around the crown which can buffet/torque the bullet. Any way you slice it you're changing the point of impact, which isn't going to matter all that much up close but will have negative consequences down range.

Try it with your M1 Garand or M1 .30 Carbine. If you don't own one of these fine rifles I pity you. Alternatively if your civilian AR 15 or AK has a bayonet mount then try it on that, you'll see that it mostly just causes problems and there's a reason that their use isn't emphasized anymore.

115 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:20:37pm

I'm surprised that Romney didn't pull out little things like this:

Russian activist said was forced to confess - rights workers

Romney tried throwing in that quote of Obama to the Russians about "after the election", but he played that card wrongly, throwing it away in a pile of other stuff. This has been typical of Romney, who has showed himself to not be one of the better campaigners of the past.

116 darthstar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:22:10pm

Anybody seen my bayonet?

117 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:22:27pm

re: #111 SpaceJesus

gone are the days of america's mighty triremes. scuttled long ago by the america-hating communist in the white house.

We never had triremes.

Could you at least pick out a piece of technology that the US actually used at any point that it was the US.

Actually, the Native Americans never used triremes, either.

118 Mattand  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:22:55pm

re: #78 darthstar

Three hits - one swing of the bat.

Image: 102212-hunter-pence-5.gif

As a Phillies fan, I hope Mr. Pence enjoys both his World Series trip and his last laugh for being traded.

But goddamn it, he was supposed to do this for the Phils!!!!

(mutter mutter)

119 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:23:33pm

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

Any time you affix a bayonet to a barrel you're changing the way the barrel vibrates when firing, and if the tang of the bayonet is close enough to the barrel you're very slightly altering the flow of gas as it escapes around the crown which can buffet/torque the bullet. Any way you slice it you're changing the point of impact, which isn't going to matter all that much up close but will have negative consequences down range.

Try it with your M1 Garand or M1 .30 Carbine. If you don't own one of these fine rifles I pity you. Alternatively if your civilian AR 15 or AK has a bayonet mount then try it on that, you'll see that it mostly just causes problems and there's a reason that their use isn't emphasized anymore.

"You won't be able to shoot as straight with that thing on."

120 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:23:42pm

re: #116 darthstar

Anybody seen my bayonet?

Aren't we all supposed to be part of a "well regulated militia", and just like the importance of owning a gun is to being an American, likewise we all ought to be carrying bayonets?

121 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:24:22pm

re: #120 freetoken

Aren't we all supposed to be part of a "well regulated militia", and just like the importance of owning a gun is to being an American, likewise we all ought to be carrying bayonets?

I'll just duct tape my katana to my rifle.
/

122 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:24:27pm

re: #119 Gus

"You won't be able to shoot as straight with that thing on."

Of course later in that episode he kills a German in a barn with his bayonet.

123 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:25:49pm

U.S. may soon become world's top oil producer

124 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:26:44pm

re: #121 Varek Raith

I'll just duct tape my katana to my rifle.
/

KNIFEBALL!

125 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:26:49pm

re: #123 Gus

U.S. may soon become world's top oil producer

*Wingnut heads asplode*

126 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:28:02pm

re: #123 Gus

U.S. may soon become world's top oil producer

The stupidity that the media counts on to sell their product - it never ends.

127 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:28:07pm

re: #82 engineer cat

urk

that gives me an ugly feeling since they had obama ahead by three last week

Not really the same poll. This is a new tracking poll they started over the weekend. First results were yesterday with Obama up 1% (though I didn't check to see if that was actually one percent, or less than 1/10th of one percent.)

128 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:28:14pm

re: #124 Kragar

KNIFEBALL!

Oh!
I'll tape knives to grenades!

129 efuseakay  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:29:28pm

re: #123 Gus

U.S. may soon become world's top oil producer

Ohhhhhh Miiiiiiitt! *whistles*

130 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:29:42pm

Image: twitter%20debate.png

131 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:29:52pm

Hi! Back from work.

I wanted to say that we this Hurricane Season has created a new bad record. That is to say, this is the 3rd year in a row we have reached "S" in the Atlantic. "T" is not out of the question.

I think 16-19 Tropical Storms a year may be the new normal.

132 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:29:54pm

And it's a really stupid article too, to open with something like this:

U.S. oil output is surging so fast that the U.S. could soon overtake Saudi Arabia as the world's biggest producer.

Totally context free, definition free ( what is "oil", after all?)

133 blueraven  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:30:39pm

Somebody seems a bit butthurt about the horses and bayonets.

Really, when you have to pretend the President was somehow trashing the use of them at all, when he said we use fewer of them today, well, you might need to take a nap or a snort, or something.

134 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:31:49pm

re: #132 freetoken

And it's a really stupid article too, to open with something like this:

Totally context free, definition free ( what is "oil", after all?)

Ayep. It really leads to that situation where one is going "If we're producing more than the Saudis, why are we paying so much? But if we're also increasing production, isn't Obama right?!"

Kinda contradiction that leads one to have gray matter dribbling from their ears.

135 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:31:52pm

re: #132 freetoken

And it's a really stupid article too, to open with something like this:

Totally context free, definition free ( what is "oil", after all?)

...crude and other liquid hydrocarbons, which includes biofuels...

136 bratwurst  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:33:28pm

re: #133 blueraven

Somebody seems a bit butthurt about the horses and bayonets.

Really, when you have to pretend the President was somehow trashing the use of them at all, when he said we use fewer of them today, well, you might need to take a nap or a snort, or something.

The only explanation I can think of is willful ignorance. Romney had been pimping his ridiculous talking point about the size of the navy...Obama and/or his people came up with a humorous line to put things in perspective. Why is that so hard to understand?

137 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:34:02pm

re: #135 Gus

Which is factually wrong.

A "biofuel" is a liquid fuel - "liquid" meaning not in a solid or gaseous state, and "fuel" meaning something combusted (with oxygen) to free energy to put into useful work.

"Hydrocarbon" means a molecule that is a chain of carbon and hydrogen atoms.

That article by Christopher Bull makes the IDiots look honorable.

138 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:35:20pm

re: #137 freetoken

Which is factually wrong.

A "biofuel" is a liquid fuel - "liquid" meaning not in a solid or gaseous state, and "fuel" meaning something combusted (with oxygen) to free energy to put into useful work.

"Hydrocarbon" means a molecule that is a chain of carbon and hydrogen atoms.

That article by Christopher Bull makes the IDiots look honorable.

You need some chocolate. Stat!

139 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:35:21pm

re: #137 freetoken

Which is factually wrong.

A "biofuel" is a liquid fuel - "liquid" meaning not in a solid or gaseous state, and "fuel" meaning something combusted (with oxygen) to free energy to put into useful work.

"Hydrocarbon" means a molecule that is a chain of carbon and hydrogen atoms.

That article by Christopher Bull makes the IDiots look honorable.

How dare you bring science into this!

140 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:35:36pm

For a century the US was the worlds largest petroleum producer (and user.)

We have remained a leading producer (usually 3rd or so, after Russia/USSR, and KSA.)

It's only because we use so much that we get into financial problems with imports.

141 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:36:06pm

re: #131 ProGunLiberal

This is a rather frightening possibility, isn't it.

142 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:36:30pm

re: #138 Gus

You need some chocolate. Stat!

I think I'll go to the gym, or a walk, instead. The chocolate will have to be my recovery meal.

143 Lidane  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:36:32pm

I've seen some silly macro going around with a soldier that has a bayonet on his rifle and a HERP DERP caption telling the POTUS that yes, we do still use them.

It's like all these morons didn't bother to listen to what he actually said. Sad, really.

144 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:37:16pm

re: #142 freetoken

I think I'll go to the gym, or a walk, instead. The chocolate will have to be my recovery meal.

Yeah. Sensors detect Freetoken having urge to break things. Am I right?

145 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:37:59pm

The GOP's strawman fetish is amazing. One derp-meister after another has responded to Obama by pointing out that the military does still have horses and bayonets. Uh, dimbulbs, he never said they didn't. He said there were not as many as there used to be, which is true.

146 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:38:15pm

re: #142 freetoken

I think I'll go to the gym, or a walk, instead. The chocolate will have to be my recovery meal.

Still recovering from last night's debate?
;)

147 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:38:26pm

re: #144 Gus

Yeah. Sensors detect Freetoken having urge to break things. Am I right?

Heads, maybe.

148 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:38:46pm

re: #117 Mostly sane, most of the time.

don't get into such a row over this

149 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:39:02pm
150 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:39:50pm

re: #145 Shiplord Kirel

The GOP's strawman fetish is amazing. One derp-meister after another has responded to Obama by pointing out that the military does still have horses and bayonets. Uh, dimbulbs, he never said they didn't. He said there were not as many as there used to be, which is true.

You just know that there's some idiot right now trying to track down the number of bayonets in 1917 and the number in 2012.

151 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:39:52pm

re: #146 Varek Raith

Still recovering from last night's debate?
;)

I expected it to be a waste of time going in.

And yes, I still think that Obama blew a chance (90 minutes with millions watching) to bring in new voters for him.

Fortunately for him, his opponent was selected by the GOP good ol' boy club and not by a collegiate debate club.

152 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:39:54pm

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

Any time you affix a bayonet to a barrel you're changing the way the barrel vibrates when firing, and if the backside of the bayonet blade is close enough to the barrel you're very slightly altering the flow of gas as it escapes around the crown which can buffet/torque the bullet. Any way you slice it you're changing the point of impact, which isn't going to matter all that much up close but will have negative consequences down range.

Try it with your M1 Garand or M1 .30 Carbine. If you don't own one of these fine rifles I pity you. Alternatively if your civilian AR 15 or AK has a bayonet mount then try it on that, you'll see that it mostly just causes problems and there's a reason that their use isn't emphasized anymore.

The flip side to that is the Soviet's Mosin-Nagant rifles were regulated to properly zero only with the bayonet fixed. Many have been surprised at how poorly their rifles shot when they have removed the "excess weight" from their M91/30 or, even more noticeably, their M44.

153 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:40:50pm

Joe Sixpack picks up the latest meme:

I am completely in favor of the right to keep horses and arm them with bayonets, as well as the unlimited right to keep and arm bears.

154 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:41:31pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

Joe Sixpack picks up the latest meme:

Image: bears.jpg

155 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:42:04pm

re: #153 Shiplord Kirel

We can start an organization to fight for our rights: the National Bayonet Association.

We can call it the NBA... er, or something.

156 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:43:09pm

re: #137 freetoken

Which is factually wrong.

A "biofuel" is a liquid fuel - "liquid" meaning not in a solid or gaseous state

Nope. Both hydrogen gas and propane can be produces as biofuels. Hydrogen can be produced through biomass, and propane by chemical conversion of sugars. Switchgrass can be processed into solid fuel pellets. Ain't nothing about biofuels that says they have to be liquid, they just have to be produced from readily renewable biological matter.

157 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:43:27pm

The day that bayonets are outlawed is the day that only outlaws will have bayonets.

Bayonets don't kill people. People kill people.

158 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:43:55pm

re: #148 SpaceJesus

don't get into such a row over this

I think puns after 50 intervening comments are banned.

Too bad, it was a nice one.

159 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:43:58pm

re: #55 Kragar

Fox News host: ‘Bayonets’ zinger means Obama has ‘gone native’

??????

Usually I can read between the lines on these things, but what in hell is that supposed to mean? None of my suspicious readings even makes sense.

160 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:46:33pm

apparently at 9PM EST al jazeera will be carrying the wompy circus that is the third party debate.


[Link: www.youtube.com...]

161 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:46:45pm

re: #156 goddamnedfrank

Yes, you're right. I ought to have outlined how the three categories fit on a Venn diagram:

biofuel
liquid fuel
"oil"

Biofuels can be gases. And yes, technically they can be solids (cow dung, anyone?)

Point is, the EIA puts out numbers in "liquids" that then the CBS/AP writer contorts into "oil" with which he then partially lumps with "biofuel" as an attempt to make a more detailed description.

However, to explain it all takes a long post and I'm way over due for my walk.

162 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:47:07pm

I thought I was pretty well informed about weapons but some of the weird corners of the gun culture escape my attention once in a while.

I had never heard of these before today:
Pistol bayonet
Apparently this is a fairly popular item since CTD has a number of different ones.

Pistols can run out of ammunition, but this pistol bayonet never does. Easily attaches to your pistol rail, and quickly detaches for hand to hand combat. Supremely durable and constructed of glass filled nylon with a high carbon content stainless steel blade with black oxide Teflon finish. Includes a custom polymer sheath.

163 SpaceJesus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:48:59pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

i was actually too busy reading [Link: twitter.com...] to check posts here. it is a great news feed

164 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:51:02pm

re: #160 SpaceJesus

Ye haw!

But, I bet they will actually cover some interesting topics.

165 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:51:10pm

re: #163 SpaceJesus

i was actually too busy reading [Link: twitter.com...] to check posts here. it is a great news feed

Lol.

166 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:53:12pm
Comedy Central Video

Bulls#%t Mountain: Episode I - The Phantom Menace
The right's grand mal, multimedia freak-out over President Obama's "not optimal" sound bite furthers Fox News' trend of predictable, hyperbolic announcements.

167 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:53:39pm

re: #163 SpaceJesus

i was actually too busy reading [Link: twitter.com...] to check posts here. it is a great news feed

My hometown is prominently featured!

168 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:54:07pm

The subheadings on that Daily Caller page from the previous thread:

Compare Firearms
Ammo & Gear Reviews
Black Rifles & Tactical Guns
Concealed Carry & Home Defense
Gun Laws & Legislation
Military
Sporting Arms
Survive!

169 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:56:38pm

re: #166 Gus

[Embedded content]

DEPOPULATE THE COUNTRYSIDE!

170 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 3:58:54pm

One of the stupidest things about all this "oil" numbers mumbo jumbo is how an accounting process gets trumpeted as a great advancement in US "oil production".

We're all familiar with the idea of density, right? Well, liquid petroleum out of the ground exists in a variety of densities, all within a range of values that are considerably larger than, say the density of that vodka you have in the cupboard.

Now, this petroleum is distilled/processed into a variety of products, many of them liquids, such as the decane and octane that are in the gasoline that you purchase. These liquids take up more volume per unit mass than the original petroleum.

Thus there are what are called "refinery gains" in volume.

Well, historically petroleum production in this country is reported by volume, not mass.

Then, by creating a bigger category called "oil" that really is a synonym for "liquid fuels", by the act of refining one ends up with an increase in volume, hence it looks like you have more in the end than the beginning.

Part of the trick being played with reporting huge increases in US "oil" production is that, yes, you guessed it, some of this increase is because the US imports crude, refines it onshore, then exports some of the products. The net increase is volume (from the refining) is put on the US side of the accounting ledger.

Thus the US is "increasing production".

Neat trick, eh?

171 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:00:15pm

Politifact jumps the shark for the millionth time:

Obama says Romney opposed any government help to rescue carmakers. Rating - Mostly False

Romney’s term "post-bankruptcy financing" can have two meanings. It can refer to money used during bankruptcy and money used right afterwards. The distinction has great practical significance in this case, because without the loans in the middle of a bankruptcy, there might be no automakers to lend to on the other side.

We can't know for sure which meaning Romney had in mind. However, Obama made a strong assertion. He said Romney would offer no government aid even if the carmakers went through bankruptcy.

Romney’s words were vague and quite limited in number but he did speak of a government guarantee, and that would be the case whether he meant for loans during or after bankruptcy.

We rate Obama's statement Mostly False.

Since Romney said the government should guarantee imaginary loans from creditors that didn't exist, that means he was offering government help! Derp.

172 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:00:19pm

re: #169 Varek Raith

DEPOPULATE THE COUNTRYSIDE!

Haven't seen him for a while. Anyway, anyone who compares Fox News to MSNBC isn't paying attention. Also, America is politically divisive, yet that is true and the fault lies squarely with Republicans and conservatives.

173 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:01:22pm

re: #171 JamesWI

Politifact jumps the shark for the millionth time:

Obama says Romney opposed any government help to rescue carmakers. Rating - Mostly False

Since Romney said the government should guarantee imaginary loans from creditors that didn't exist, that means he was offering government help! Derp.

Again?

We can't know for sure which meaning Romney had in mind.

174 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:02:44pm

Barack Obama criticized Mitt Romney for believing in ghosts. Since we can't prove or disprove ghosts we find Obama's criticism to be mostly false.
-- Politifact

175 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:02:54pm
176 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:03:20pm

re: #175 wrenchwench

[Embedded content]

I lean towards gullibility, but that's just me.

177 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:04:03pm

re: #176 Targetpractice

I lean towards gullibility, but that's just me.

That's &, not or.

178 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:05:01pm

Humans evolved through evolution. Since we can't go back in time we can't validate the non-existence of Genesis therefore we find this statement to be mostly false.
-- Politifact

179 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:05:22pm

Intelligent Design: half true.
-- Politifact

180 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:05:40pm

re: #177 wrenchwench

That's &, not or.

I stand by what I said!

//

181 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:07:14pm

Goblins: half true.
-- Politifact

182 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:07:40pm

re: #171 JamesWI

Politifact jumps the shark for the millionth time:

Obama says Romney opposed any government help to rescue carmakers. Rating - Mostly False

Since Romney said the government should guarantee imaginary loans from creditors that didn't exist, that means he was offering government help! Derp.

I'm still trying to figure out why the government should guarantee private loans made with it's own money, from it's own capital infusion to the banks. Since in the real world that wasn't enough to get them lending again anyway it seems lending the money directly solved the problem caused by unwilling middlemen.

183 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:08:53pm

Mitt Romney: The Great White Dope

184 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:09:24pm

re: #182 goddamnedfrank

I'm still trying to figure out why the government should guarantee private loans made with it's own money, from it's own capital infusion to the banks. Since in the real world that wasn't enough to get them lending again anyway it seems lending the money directly solved the problem caused by unwilling middlemen.

Because that way the private banks would have made any profit, but if there had been any loss it would have been paid by the taxpayers. The way Obama did it, any possible profit goes to the taxpayers, instead of to the private sector. That's obviously horrible.

185 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:10:19pm

re: #182 goddamnedfrank

I'm still trying to figure out why the government should guarantee private loans made with it's own money, from it's own capital infusion to the banks. Since in the real world that wasn't enough to get them lending again anyway it seems lending the money directly solved the problem caused by unwilling middlemen.

Well yes, but the middlemen might have kneecapped the UAW and then caved its head in to the roaring cheers of the Gilded Age crowd, and that's what they really wanted. Seriously, listen to any criticism from the usual suspects and what's the one bitching point that keeps coming up? That's right: The UAW got saved, which is seen as the big "mistake" of the bailout.

186 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:13:35pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

TEACHERS UNIONS!!

Oh... wait... that's a foreign policy issue that I'm confusing with your car issue...

187 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:14:17pm

...respected politico, Matt Drudge

188 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:16:26pm

Sources say after the debate, @tromney apologized to POTUS for saying he wanted to "take a swing" at him during 2nd debate; POTUS accepted
Retweeted by Benjy Sarlin

189 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:17:32pm

re: #188 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

Sources say after the debate, @tromney apologized to POTUS for saying he wanted to "take a swing" at him during 2nd debate; POTUS accepted
Retweeted by Benjy Sarlin

Old news! ;)

Figured that out last night.

190 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:20:24pm

re: #189 Gus

Old news! ;)

Figured that out last night.

I'm catching up!!! link me to the Obama Divorce (which if that's the story, will definitely backfire). its also an attack again on FLOTUS.

191 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:23:18pm

re: #190 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

I'm catching up!!! link me to the Obama Divorce (which if that's the story, will definitely backfire). its also an attack again on FLOTUS.

Another flop no doubt. If they had something the Romney camp would have used it already. First Trump said this will have an impact on this election. Then he said, it may or may not have a negative effect. He can't make up his mind.

192 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:24:37pm

BBC science/doctor sweetheart (he wrote affectionately) Alice Roberts is back with a new program:

How scientists recreated Neanderthal man

The show is called Prehistoric Autopsy . Maybe it will make its way to the BBC America outlet.

193 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:27:30pm
194 danarchy  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:28:42pm

Heh. Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, Virgil Goode and Rocky Anderson are having a debate tonight and Larry King is moderating. The irrelevance is overwhelming.

195 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:29:21pm

This is it! We have some new information! We really got him this time! Barack Obama is finished after you see what we've got on him! You're just going to have to wait until Wednesday but I guarantee that this will sink Obama! Just you wait and see! He's finished after this. You'll see liberals!

//

196 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:33:02pm

re: #87 Charles Johnson

Obama also does not know the difference between a ship and a boat.
Submarines are boats - not ships.
What an embarrassment.

Excuse me? Hoft, you are a idiot. Submarines are in fact a ship. Just like a Tin Can (destroyer) is also a ship.

197 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:34:01pm

Is this why Obama is now such a proponent of coal?

Oct. 22: Ohio Has 50-50 Chance of Deciding Election

198 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:37:57pm

re: #172 Gus

Haven't seen him for a while. Anyway, anyone who compares Fox News to MSNBC isn't paying attention. Also, America is politically divisive, yet that is true and the fault lies squarely with Republicans and conservatives.

Try arguing with a Fox watching conservative. When they are told the sky is purple, no matter the amount of looking out the window at perfectly blue sky, they think that sky is purple. It's the strangest phenom. They're completely brainwashed (and stupid! Socialist! Communist! Marxist! With no ability whatsoever to define even one of the three. He's a Kenyan Muslim Maoist! You get the drift. ABD, they're damn proud if their ignorance!) It blows me away.

199 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:39:27pm

re: #197 freetoken

Is this why Obama is now such a proponent of coal?

Oct. 22: Ohio Has 50-50 Chance of Deciding Election

Damn, I'm kind of surprised the race is this tight. I haven't been paying a whole lot of attention to polls lately, It's gonna be a squeaker.

200 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:42:54pm

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

My Chinese made SKS came with a bayonet. The only thing I found it use full for was a monopod. Stick that sucker in the ground and accuracy of the shot definitely improved.

201 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:42:59pm

re: #196 Only The Lurker Knows

Obama also does not know the difference between a ship and a boat.
Submarines are boats - not ships.
What an embarrassment.

Excuse me? Hoft, you are a idiot. Submarines are in fact a ship. Just like a Tin Can (destroyer) is also a ship.

USS JACKSONVILLE (SSN 699)

USS JACKSONVILLE (SSN 699) named for Jacksonville, Florida, and is the first ship to bear its name. The first name for the city of Jacksonville was "Cowford" because cattle crossed the St. John's River at the narrowest point where Jacksonville is now located. The British settled Cowford in 1763. In 1822 the city was renamed Jacksonville in honor of its territorial governor Andrew Jackson.

Source.

202 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:43:34pm

re: #199 Killgore Trout

...It's gonna be a squeaker.

I don't know. Prognostication is hard.

Yet I do believe that part of Obama's win in 2008 was partly dependent upon the Anyone-but-another-GWB.

With that now out of the way, I wonder if the core Democratic Party groups can carry Obama to a second term.

I suspect that it will be a close race (electoral college).

203 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:43:35pm

re: #199 Killgore Trout

Damn, I'm kind of surprised the race is this tight. I haven't been paying a whole lot of attention to polls lately, It's gonna be a squeaker.

It's giving me heartburn.

204 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:44:38pm

WTF? Ann Coulter, your retard just called.

205 Kragar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:45:11pm

Thinking back, I remember some of the shotguns we had in Security Forces had bayonet lugs.

206 blueraven  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:46:34pm

re: #190 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

I'm catching up!!! link me to the Obama Divorce (which if that's the story, will definitely backfire). its also an attack again on FLOTUS.

National Review has a spot here...Trump is an idiot

Trump Should Leave the Obamas’ Personal Lives Alone

207 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:46:48pm

You can call a submarine a ship but you shouldn't call an aircraft carrier a boat.

208 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:47:04pm

re: #203 prairiefire

It's giving me heartburn.

Mitt's doing a lot better than I thought he would but I'm not too upset about it. If it happens, it happens.

209 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:47:14pm

If you're in the Navy. Not really that big a deal.

210 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:48:03pm

re: #206 blueraven

National Review has a spot here...Trump is an idiot

Trump Should Leave the Obamas’ Personal Lives Alone

backfire Trumpstyle

211 Big Joe  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:48:49pm

If it can be put on a ship it's a boat.

212 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:49:52pm

re: #205 Kragar

Thinking back, I remember some of the shotguns we had in Security Forces had bayonet lugs.

Makes more sense than most modern assault rifles.

213 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:50:18pm

Otherwise, all commissioned naval ships are titled with USS which of course stands for United State Ship. The USS Jacksonville is a submarine and a United States Ship. Hoft doesn't know what he's talking about.

214 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:50:32pm

re: #210 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

Trump's in it for the money. If he could he'd get McMahon to put him on TV every week with skits on this stuff, but McMahon's wife is running for a Senate seat so that kind of puts a damper on those two working together.

BTW, in a sign of how the campaign in CT is going, McMahon's latest political advert has her saying she could work with a President Obama, should both of them be elected. She's selling herself as being able to work with a Democrat President, so maybe that says something about the race.

215 prairiefire  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:51:14pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

Mitt's doing a lot better than I thought he would but I'm not too upset about it. If it happens, it happens.

I'll be upset about it.

216 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:52:17pm

Only Pakistan's respondents said they would prefer to see Mr Romney win November's election.


Tehehehehehe....

217 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:52:21pm

re: #213 Gus

Otherwise, all commissioned naval ships are titled with USS which of course stands for United State Ship. The USS Jacksonville is a submarine and a United States Ship. Hoft doesn't know what he's talking about.

Since when is that not the case?

218 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:52:31pm

re: #206 blueraven

National Review has a spot here...Trump is an idiot

Trump Should Leave the Obamas’ Personal Lives Alone

I'm starting to think Trump is a Dem.

219 Obdicut  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:52:34pm

re: #215 prairiefire

Well, you're female. The loss of abortion rights for women doesn't upset Killgore at all. Nor would the seating of extremely conservative supreme court justices.

220 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:54:33pm

re: #207 Gus

You can call a submarine a ship but you shouldn't call an aircraft carrier a boat.

But you can call it a Bird Farm.

221 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:54:52pm

re: #219 Obdicut

That was yet another topic that was left off of these "debates". Using foreign policy to discourage abortion has been one of those hot buttons that GOP candidates have been able to push since Reagan, but notice that in the "foreign policy" debate that didn't even come up.

222 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:55:10pm

re: #208 Killgore Trout

Mitt's doing a lot better than I thought he would but I'm not too upset about it. If it happens, it happens.

Well, no duh, he's obviously who you want to win. Will you admit it before or after the election? Or just play passive-aggressive and pretend you "like" Obama?

223 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:55:16pm

re: #207 Gus

You can call a submarine a ship but you shouldn't call an aircraft carrier a boat.

My ex husband was in a carrier (recently decommissioned...I was very sad), and I always referred to it as "the boat." Big damn boat! I got to take a little cruise on it. It was awe inspiring.

224 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:56:11pm

re: #223 Joanne

My ex husband was in a carrier (recently decommissioned...I was very sad), and I always referred to it as "the boat." Big damn boat! I got to take a little cruise on it. It was awe inspiring.

Kittyhawk or America?

225 recusancy  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:56:32pm

re: #219 Obdicut

Well, you're female. The loss of abortion rights for women doesn't upset Killgore at all. Nor would the seating of extremely conservative supreme court justices.

Or not getting insurance if you have a preexisting condition. It's just entertainment and something to discuss and fill the day with to some people.

226 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:56:49pm

re: #214 freetoken

A "democrat" president??

227 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:57:04pm

One reason why I haven't been talking as much about InTrade: Intrade Manipulation Fail

On Monday night, after the debate, Barack Obama was leading Romney on Intrade by around 60 percent to 40 percent. But at around 10:00 a.m. on Tuesday morning, Romney surged to 48 percent. Was this evidence that the conventional wisdom was wrong? Had Romney actually won the debate handily? Or, alternatively, was the nosedive in the stock markets putting a dent in Obama’s re-election chances?

Neither. As economist Justin Wolfers pointed out on Twitter, the huge swing toward Romney appears to have been driven by a single trader who spent about $17,800 buying up Romney shares and pushing the Republican candidate’s chances on Intrade up to 48 percent. But the surge only lasted a few minutes before other traders whittled the price back down to what they saw as a more accurate valuation. Romney’s odds of winning are currently back at around 41 percent.

A lot of the time, I keep a tab on my browser with InTrade's election page up. I've seen this happen in real-time. All of a sudden, Romney's numbers will jump up over one full point in less than a minute. Then there will be a bunch of trades bringing it back down.....then all of a sudden, it jumps right back up. People buying at a ridiculously high price when there are people selling for much lower.

I wanted to mention something earlier, but I didn't know if I was just being a paranoid nut, seeing what I want to see in the numbers.

228 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:58:12pm

re: #225 recusancy

Or not getting insurance if you have a preexisting condition. It's just entertainment and something to discuss and fill the day with to some people.

cant upding from ipad. tired of reloading. you now know my heart.

229 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:58:36pm

re: #211 Big Joe

If it can be put on a ship it's a boat.

Mighty big boat.

Image: 17ncz5sgv8zmwjpg.jpg

230 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 4:58:58pm

re: #224 Gus

Kittyhawk or America?

JFK. CV-67.

231 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:00:07pm

re: #78 darthstar

Three hits - one swing of the bat.

Image: 102212-hunter-pence-5.gif

And in this morning's Metro Angelo Cataldi was hacking on Pence's .194 average in the playoffs. Have some nice crow to eat Angelo.

232 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:00:19pm

re: #226 Joanne

A "democrat" president??

Technically I should have written "Democratic Party President".

But yes, McMahon is now pushing how she will work with Obama and the other side of the aisle, in order to win the CT seat.

233 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:00:19pm

re: #227 JamesWI

One reason why I haven't been talking as much about InTrade: Intrade Manipulation Fail

A lot of the time, I keep a tab on my browser with InTrade's election page up. I've seen this happen in real-time. All of a sudden, Romney's numbers will jump up over one full point in less than a minute. Then there will be a bunch of trades bringing it back down.....then all of a sudden, it jumps right back up. People buying at a ridiculously high price when there are people selling for much lower.

I wanted to mention something earlier, but I didn't know if I was just being a paranoid nut, seeing what I want to see in the numbers.

OK, I don't know intrade, is this real money??? wtf. Adelson could just crush it and we'd be saying, oh Obama's toast. wtf

234 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:01:10pm

re: #207 Gus

You can call a submarine a ship but you shouldn't call an aircraft carrier a boat.

Not 'a boat', but "the Boat'.

235 recusancy  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:01:24pm

re: #232 freetoken

Technically I should have written "Democratic Party President".

But yes, McMahon is now pushing how she will work with Obama and the other side of the aisle, in order to win the CT seat.

Not technically you should have written Democratic President.

236 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:01:36pm

re: #225 recusancy

Or not getting insurance if you have a preexisting condition. It's just entertainment and something to discuss and fill the day with to some people.

I buy my own insurance. I very excited about healthcare reform kicking in.

237 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:03:50pm

re: #84 Gus

“In basic training new soldiers learn to fight with a bayonet to help instill an aggressive warrior spirit, but on the modern battlefield you are about as likely to see bayonets fixed to rifles as you are high heels on your commanding officer...”
-- R. Lee Ermey

A little dated on the high-heels on a commanding officer thing perhaps but I think people should understand his point.

I think there's a Mauldin Willie & Joe cartoon with one saying, "Hey, did you know that this can opener fits on the end of a rifle?"

238 Big Joe  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:04:14pm

re: #229 Only The Lurker Knows

Mighty big boat.

Image: 17ncz5sgv8zmwjpg.jpg

I knew somebody would post that. That's more a self propelled drydock.

239 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:04:28pm

re: #228 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

cant upding from ipad. tired of reloading. you now know my heart.

You can upding from an iPad. I do it on all my iOS devices (just make sure to zoom in so you don't downding by mistake.

And let's not forget that simply being a woman is a preexisting condition.

240 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:04:51pm

re: #229 Only The Lurker Knows

Mighty big boat.

Image: 17ncz5sgv8zmwjpg.jpg

Ah! Was looking for one of those just now. Big boat!

241 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:06:05pm

Image: xbandonbluemarlin.jpg

242 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:06:25pm

re: #232 freetoken

Technically I should have written "Democratic Party President".

But yes, McMahon is now pushing how she will work with Obama and the other side of the aisle, in order to win the CT seat.

She who recently said social sec was unconstitutional? Oy!

243 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:06:27pm

re: #196 Only The Lurker Knows

Obama also does not know the difference between a ship and a boat.
Submarines are boats - not ships.
What an embarrassment.

Excuse me? Hoft, you are a idiot. Submarines are in fact a ship. Just like a Tin Can (destroyer) is also a ship.

Among sailing vessels, the distinction between ships and boats is that a ship is a square-rigged craft with at least three masts, and a boat isn't. With regard to motorized craft, a ship is a large vessel intended for oceangoing or at least deep-water transport, and a boat is anything else.

But that's too much to remember. Try this: ships have to be big enough to carry boats, and boats have to be small enough to be carried by ships.

that's about the way i allus heard it. sub is teh motorized iirc

[Link: www.straightdope.com...]

244 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:06:45pm

On Hannity, Pat Caddell is at it again:

Fox Contributor Pat Caddell Claims Dems "Orchestrat[ed] The Story Of The Cartridge Bomber" Ahead Of 2010 Election

They are deep into WND territory.

245 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:08:00pm
246 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:08:26pm

re: #236 Killgore Trout

I buy my own insurance. I very excited about healthcare reform kicking in.

Until Romney and the baggers repeal and...well, repeal it.

247 efuseakay  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:08:54pm

All I am seeing is "If only we had some soldiers with horses and bayonets in Bengazi!!!" from the RWNJs...

Yeah... if only our Marines had bayonets in Beirut... sigh.

248 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:08:55pm

re: #239 Joanne

You can upding from an iPad. I do it on all my iOS devices (just make sure to zoom in so you don't downding by mistake.

And let's not forget that simply being a woman is a preexisting condition.

I tend to hit the "favorite post' button a lot more frequently than I want to when I upding from my ipad.

249 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:09:00pm

re: #246 Joanne

Until Romney and the baggers repeal and...well, repeal it.

Agitating against one's own self interests is nothing new, unfortunately.

250 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:09:25pm

re: #238 Big Joe

I knew somebody would post that. That's more a self propelled drydock.

Yep. The MV Blue Mrarlin

251 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:09:49pm

re: #247 efuseakay

All I am seeing is "If only we had some soldiers with horses and bayonets in Bengazi!!!" from the RWNJs...

Yeah... if only our Marines had bayonets in Beirut... sigh.

sigh

Image: tljncfom.jpeg

252 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:10:26pm

re: #233 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

OK, I don't know intrade, is this real money??? wtf. Adelson could just crush it and we'd be saying, oh Obama's toast. wtf

Yeah, it's like any other stock. $1 = 10%. So if it says Romney's chances of winning are at 40%, that means his shares are currently at $4.00.

Which makes it easy to tell when something fishy is going on. When you can see that people are offering to sell off their shares at $4.00....and all of a sudden, in less than a minute, the price jumps up to $4.80, there really isn't much of an explanation for that besides someone trying to manipulate it to look better for Romney.

There's no rational reason to spend $4.80 per share when everyone is selling at $4.00.

253 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:10:49pm

re: #248 jamesfirecat

I tend to hit the "favorite post' button a lot more frequently than I want to when I upding from my ipad.

You downdinged me a couple of times last week. I didn't take it personally.

Should I have?

254 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:13:50pm

Dockwise

255 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:13:59pm

Since I blocked bots from China, Korea, and a bunch of the other countries in that area, the servers have been behaving flawlessly all day.

The logs show an amazing number of hits from a large range of Chinese IP addresses, going on for the past week, with peaks on the debate days. Just sayin'. Could be a coincidence.

They all have weirdly munged page requests, that would take you to the correct LGF page but also had spam urls appended - for example:

/weblog/?entry=25338_Silicon_Insider_on_D/4funnytube.com/read_blog/104872/neat-christian-louboutin-daffodile-160mm-black-suede-platform-pump_Melee&only

I have no idea what the purpose of this could be, but they were sure doing a lot of it, enough to max out our database connections.

256 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:14:20pm

re: #253 wrenchwench

You downdinged me a couple of times last week. I didn't take it personally.

Should I have?

I think you should.

257 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:14:31pm

Certainly this will be worth a few EUROPE!! votes for Mitt, no?

Europeans Hope for Democrat Win in U.S. Election

258 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:14:33pm

re: #239 Joanne

You can upding from an iPad. I do it on all my iOS devices (just make sure to zoom in so you don't downding by mistake.

And let's not forget that simply being a woman is a preexisting condition.

I reloaded. Gracias!

259 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:15:35pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

They want us to all wear black suede pumps?

260 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:15:38pm

re: #243 engineer cat

Among sailing vessels, the distinction between ships and boats is that a ship is a square-rigged craft with at least three masts, and a boat isn't. With regard to motorized craft, a ship is a large vessel intended for oceangoing or at least deep-water transport, and a boat is anything else.

But that's too much to remember. Try this: ships have to be big enough to carry boats, and boats have to be small enough to be carried by ships.

that's about the way i allus heard it. sub is teh motorized iirc

[Link: www.straightdope.com...]

Hmmm.... was the Cole a boat?

[Link: images.search.yahoo.com...]

261 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:15:47pm

re: #244 freetoken

On Hannity, Pat Caddell is at it again:

Fox Contributor Pat Caddell Claims Dems "Orchestrat[ed] The Story Of The Cartridge Bomber" Ahead Of 2010 Election

They are deep into WND territory.

word salad Sister Sarah, not available

262 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:16:12pm

Remember, NFIB is the group that held the conference call with Romney, where he told them to tell their employees how to vote.

But it's totally cool, y'all! KT says it's a fake story, because Romney made sure to throw in "Or you could tell them to vote for Obama." Because there are definitely a lot of Obama supporters who also support Todd Akin.

263 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:16:55pm

boats and bayonets

as usual major wingnut consternation and cognitive dissonance since they can not be wrong, so reality must be bent and bent until wrong is right

but the uncomfortable feeling remains, so we will surely see bayonets at wingnut rallies from now on SO THERE SO THERE

264 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:17:20pm

re: #252 JamesWI

Yeah, it's like any other stock. $1 = 10%. So if it says Romney's chances of winning are at 40%, that means his shares are currently at $4.00.

Which makes it easy to tell when something fishy is going on. When you can see that people are offering to sell off their shares at $4.00....and all of a sudden, in less than a minute, the price jumps up to $4.80, there really isn't much of an explanation for that besides someone trying to manipulate it to look better for Romney.

There's no rational reason to spend $4.80 per share when everyone is selling at $4.00.

America, the Game.

265 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:17:43pm

Being built...

Dockwise Vanguard

Length o.a. 275.00 meters (902 feet)
Length b.p. 270.00 meters
Breadth moulded / max. 70.00 meters
Deck Space (L X B)* 275.00 x 70.00 meters
Depth 15.50 meters
Draft submerged at FPP / APP 31.50 / 31.50 meters
Maximum draft 10.99 meters
Water-depth above main deck FPP / APP 16.00 meters
Deadweight (expected) 117,000 metric tons
Speed (expected) 14.5 knots
Type of Vessel Type-0

266 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:17:45pm

re: #257 freetoken

Certainly this will be worth a few EUROPE!! votes for Mitt, no?

Europeans Hope for Democratic Win in U.S. Election

fxt

267 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:18:59pm

re: #258 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

Denada. :-)

268 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:19:43pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

Remember, practice makes perfect. They practice now in ways to tie up our internet. For use later if required. I get the same thing at work, logs full of attempts to get by the firewall largely from China.

269 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:19:54pm

biaw

270 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:19:54pm

re: #253 wrenchwench

You downdinged me a couple of times last week. I didn't take it personally.

Should I have?

Depends on the post, I know I've hit downding when I meant to hit upding many times but I thought I always undid them. I don't recall any of your posts that I objected strong enough to downding....

271 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:20:29pm

re: #260 austin_blue

Hmmm.... was the Cole a boat?

[Link: images.search.yahoo.com...]

it's a relative term, and if you ever met my relatives you'd be sure to ask accordion to who?

272 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:21:11pm

When is Gloria Allred supposed to come out with her "bombshell"? It would be great if it was tomorrow, and if it was actually something worthwhile (a big "if," I know). It would make Donald Trump look even more ridiculous.

273 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:21:19pm

re: #271 engineer cat

it's a relative term, and if you ever met my relatives you'd be sure to ask accordion to who?

Any banjos?

274 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:21:38pm

No wonder AZ keeps sending out vote mis-information pamphlets:

Latino Democrat narrows race for Senate in Arizona

A Latino Democrat who rose from a hardscrabble childhood to become U.S. surgeon general has tightened the race for an open Senate seat in Arizona, a state that hasn't elected a Democratic senator in almost 25 years.

With just two weeks before the November 6 election, Democrat Richard Carmona is in a statistical dead heat with six-term Republican congressman Jeff Flake, the early favorite.

Carmona has been boosted in part by a drive to register thousands of Hispanics riled by the border state's crackdown on illegal immigration. But it is economic issues such as job creation and deficit reduction, not immigration, that are dominating the discourse in the race.

[...]

275 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:21:49pm

Hubby just came home. Said he heard the best retort to Ryan's lack of understanding:

Well, bayonets have a point, and horses move you forward. Of course you don't understand.

My hubby rocks.

276 recusancy  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:22:30pm

re: #255 Charles Johnson

Since I blocked bots from China, Korea, and a bunch of the other countries in that area, the servers have been behaving flawlessly all day.

The logs show an amazing number of hits from a large range of Chinese IP addresses, going on for the past week, with peaks on the debate days. Just sayin'. Could be a coincidence.

They all have weirdly munged page requests, that would take you to the correct LGF page but also had spam urls appended - for example:

/weblog/?entry=25338_Silicon_Insider_on_D/4funnytube.com/read_blog/104872/neat-christian-louboutin-daffodile-160mm-black-suede-platform-pump_Melee&only

I have no idea what the purpose of this could be, but they were sure doing a lot of it, enough to max out our database connections.

I had a ddos issue sort of similar a month ago from asia. They were doing post requests and I found this solution fixed the problem almost instantly: [Link: 2bits.com...]

277 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:23:17pm

Re: Intrade

278 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:23:19pm

re: #265 Gus

Being built...

Dockwise Vanguard

We don't need a bigger boat...

279 austin_blue  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:25:26pm

re: #271 engineer cat

it's a relative term, and if you ever met my relatives you'd be sure to ask accordion to who?

Oh. You have *those* kind of relatives. It must be a punnishing way to live.

280 wrenchwench  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:26:40pm

re: #274 freetoken

No wonder AZ keeps sending out vote mis-information pamphlets:

Latino Democrat narrows race for Senate in Arizona

Here's more info on the misinfo:

A spokesperson for the Maricopa County Elections Department admits they once again gave voters the wrong date of next month's election.

Yvonne Reed confirms to ABC15 that bookmarks distributed by the elections department incorrectly listed the date of the general election in Spanish as November 8.

The flip side of the bookmark correctly lists the date in English as November 6.

Reed tells ABC15 the bookmarks were distributed at the three election counters throughout Maricopa County and that the department has no way of knowing exactly how many people received the bookmarks.

[...]

Read more: [Link: www.abc15.com...]

6 = ocho, no? NO!

281 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:26:40pm

FBI: Louisiana woman staged racist attack

A young black woman in the US state of Louisiana apparently staged a racist attack in which she told police that three men set her ablaze and scrawled KKK on her car, officials said Tuesday.

“The wounds were self-inflicted,” Kyle Hanrahan, a spokesman for the FBI’s Louisiana bureau, told AFP.

[...]

This is why we have 24 and 48 hour "rules" - many times reality has to be carefully determined.

282 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:29:41pm

Is it a bad sign that this sort of got lost in the news?

Apple introduces iPad Mini, refreshes lineup

283 darthstar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:32:03pm

re: #229 Only The Lurker Knows

Mighty big boat.

Image: 17ncz5sgv8zmwjpg.jpg

I think those ships are phenomenal. I've seen pictures of them with oil rigs on them, tankers, pretty amazing what people can build. A mobile drydock.

284 darthstar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:32:56pm

re: #229 Bubblehead II

Mighty big boat.

Image: 17ncz5sgv8zmwjpg.jpg

Is that the USS Cole?

285 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:32:58pm

re: #276 recusancy

I had a ddos issue sort of similar a month ago from asia. They were doing post requests and I found this solution fixed the problem almost instantly: [Link: 2bits.com...]

If you're running apache, check out mod_evasive.

286 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:33:06pm

re: #281 freetoken

FBI: Louisiana woman staged racist attack

This is why we have 24 and 48 hour "rules" - many times reality has to be carefully determined.

Why is it that all of these "fake hate crimes" always involve some kind of "tagging" which is never seen in real hate crimes? It's like a signature that screamed THIS IS FAKE.

You would think that by now someone who wants to stage a "hate crime" against oneself would avoid tagging.

287 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:33:45pm

re: #284 darthstar

I think so. It has a hole on the side.

288 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:33:51pm

And the new iPad, yes another new one, replacing the one just introduced months ago, sort of sneaked up entirely under the RADAR screen:

[...] And then, after more from Cook about the phenomenal success of the iPad with business and academic users, he brought back his marketing lieutenant to drop the day's other big news: a new fourth-generation iPad will now replace the third-generation model that was introduced just seven months ago.

"This," Schiller said of the newest iPad, "is a powerhouse. With the new Apple A6X chip and its faster performance, I can't even see the competition in the rearview mirror."

The latest tablet, which like its predecessor goes for $499, is faster and slimmer and comes just days before Microsoft is due to show off its own Surface tablet. It and the Mini will be available in stores Nov. 2.

[...]

All these iDroppings are littering up the cage.

289 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:33:58pm

re: #284 darthstar

Is that the USS Cole?

Yes.

290 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:34:28pm

re: #282 freetoken

Is it a bad sign that this sort of got lost in the news?

Apple introduces iPad Mini, refreshes lineup

I'd have gotten one, too, but not at the price point they're selling it for. It's almost iPad priced.

291 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:34:43pm

re: #282 freetoken

Is it a bad sign that this sort of got lost in the news?

Apple introduces iPad Mini, refreshes lineup

it seems that the original iPhones were too small and the original iPads were too big

i want a device that is big enough to watch a movie on but small enough to fit in my ear

292 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:35:34pm

At $329 the new iPad Mini is not going to be in my Christmas stocking.

I'd like to have a light PDF reader to use, but the Kindle is much more aggressively priced. Yet the Kindle is limited in functionality to interact with my Macs.

293 darthstar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:36:53pm

re: #290 Joanne

I'd have gotten one, too, but not at the price point they're selling it for. It's almost iPad priced.

Get a Galaxy droid in that size for about 200 dollars. Fuck Apple (though I do like my Macbook Pro).

294 darthstar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:38:28pm
295 darthstar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:38:54pm

Some people give good hug.

296 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:40:00pm

re: #294 darthstar

The Secret Service agent has a nice looking watch.

297 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:40:05pm

re: #290 Joanne

I'd have gotten one, too, but not at the price point they're selling it for. It's almost iPad priced.

I recently got one of the new Kindle Fires. They are an awesome value, IMHO. I haven't decided if I'm going to root it or not.

298 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:42:03pm

The new LGF Pages index for all Pages and for each user's Pages is coming along nicely. Made major progress today.

299 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:42:05pm

re: #293 darthstar

Get a Galaxy droid in that size for about 200 dollars. Fuck Apple (though I do like my Macbook Pro).

I. Hate. Android! Too many poorly placed buttons. Too much maintenance. Too vulnerable. It has Flash, which I wish iOS had, but I got a browser app that has that (PITA, but it is what it is).

300 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:46:14pm

More evidence of the stupidity of undecided voters...

Katherine Fenton, the college student who asked the question about gender inequality at the town hall debate, was just on CNN on Anderson Coopers show. They said she was still undecided.....

The entire right-wing launches a smear campaign against her because she dared to ask Romney if he thinks women should be paid as much as men, they dug through her personal life trying to make her out to be a raging drunk slut.....and she's still considering voting for their guy???? What is it going to take to make her decide?

301 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:49:21pm

re: #300 JamesWI

Do the polls include an option for none of the above? Nope. Many of the undecideds are not stupid, they just don't have a candidate at all.

Added Edit
If Obama had not acted as a sensible calm centrist, and as a far left partisan I would be one of those allegedly stupid "undecided" voters.

302 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:49:59pm

re: #297 Velvet Elvis

I recently got one of the new Kindle Fires. They are an awesome value, IMHO. I haven't decided if I'm going to root it or not.

I thought about it. I want a fully functional but über lightweight device. I like the idea of an in between size. I love the lack of heft of the kindle (the one with the keyboard. Worst. Navigation. Ever.)

How much does the Fire weigh?

303 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:50:15pm

re: #300 JamesWI

She will make her decision in the voting booth. In my nineteen years in watching elections I have seen most folks make their minds up in the election booth.

304 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:50:26pm

re: #301 Daniel Ballard

Do the polls include an option for none of the above? Nope. Many of the undecideds are not stupid, they just don't have a candidate at all.

Then they're blissfully naive and/or unaware that the world will go on and choose without them.

305 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:51:44pm

re: #304 erik_t

Then they're blissfully naive and/or unaware that the world will go on and choose without them.

I'm hoping she's just cold and cynical and continuing to claim "undecided" status for attention. It speaks much better of her than other interpretations o_O

306 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:51:58pm

re: #304 erik_t

Then they're blissfully naive and/or unaware that the world will go on and choose without them.

Hmmm, see my belated edit. Sorry 'bout that delay.

307 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:52:41pm

The redesign of LGF Pages is actually more of an integration with the rest of the site -- it will now use the same template as the LGF front page.

308 alpuz  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:53:22pm

re: #301 Daniel Ballard

Really? Why would that be? Especially in her case considering the response from the right.

309 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:54:30pm

re: #302 Joanne

I thought about it. I want a fully functional but über lightweight device. I like the idea of an in between size. I love the lack of heft of the kindle (the one with the keyboard. Worst. Navigation. Ever.)

How much does the Fire weigh?

14.6 oz according to google. I wouldn't call it uber lightweight.

310 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:55:03pm

re: #306 Daniel Ballard

Hmmm, see my belated edit. Sorry 'bout that delay.

Doesn't really help. Outside of true Kang vs. Kodos everyone-is-cartoonishly-evil matchups, I have very little patience for those who put principle before pragmatism.

311 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:55:13pm

I've got to say that the new iMac looks really beautiful.

312 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:55:51pm

re: #301 Daniel Ballard

Do the polls include an option for none of the above? Nope. Many of the undecideds are not stupid, they just don't have a candidate at all.

Added Edit
If Obama had not acted as a sensible calm centrist, and as a far left partisan I would be one of those allegedly stupid "undecided" voters.

What about if the entire right-wing media tried to publicly smear you, possibly ruining future job prospects in the process. Would you still be "undecided" then?

This is like if Sandra Fluke was still considering voting Republican.

313 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:56:28pm

re: #304 erik_t

Then they're blissfully naive and/or unaware that the world will go on and choose without them.

I do not see how that fits just not liking either at all. Of course somebody wins in any and every case. That does not really serve to make anyone in particular more attractive, unless the comparison is something akin to (tongue in cheek here) prison sex.

314 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:57:39pm

re: #311 freetoken

I've got to say that the new iMac looks really beautiful.

It really does.

Wait ... where's the computer?

315 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:59:14pm

I wish Apple would make a Bluetooth keyboard with the full numeric keypad. I needs my numeric keypad.

316 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:59:41pm

re: #313 Daniel Ballard

I do not see how that fits just not liking either at all. Of course somebody wins in any and every case. That does not really serve to make anyone in particular more attractive, unless the comparison is something akin to (tongue in cheek here) prison sex.

'00 Nader voters are partially culpable with thousands of US kids dying in Iraq (not to mention god knows how many Iraqis). If they're at peace with that, and would make the same decision again, there's honestly not much more I can say.

The absolute vast majority of the time, a person who truly cannot weigh one candidate against the other and come to an actual preference, that person doesn't really know what the hell they believe anyway.

317 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:59:46pm

re: #314 Charles Johnson

The day of the spinning disks are over.

What am I going to do with my CD collection?

318 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:00:36pm

re: #313 Daniel Ballard

I do not see how that fits just not liking either at all. Of course somebody wins in any and every case. That does not really serve to make anyone in particular more attractive, unless the comparison is something akin to (tongue in cheek here) prison sex.

Basically, my point isn't that it's impossible that there are some legitimately smart undecided voters out there, who simply just don't like either guy.

But when one side is actively trying to destroy you because you think you should be paid as much as a man for doing the same work.......you probably shouldn't still be considering voting for that side.

Unless the other side is Neo-Nazis. Then you might want to go with the misogynists.

319 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:02:06pm

re: #309 Velvet Elvis

I think that's heavier than my iPad 2. :-(

320 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:03:46pm

re: #315 Charles Johnson

Get a mouse/numerical keypad. I thought they looked cool.

321 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:03:47pm

Anyone stupid enough to think Romney a "moderate" needs to be slapped upside the head with deflated dodgeballs:

322 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:03:49pm

re: #312 JamesWI

Just by way of explaining my indie thinking-
Liking Romney and the GOP less is not the same as liking Obama or anyone else more. These are separate things. Think of it this way, it was a "lesser evil" mentality that got Mitt instead of a better alternative through the primary. And two competent opponents is better for the nation and the system IMO.

If I did not like any of the above I would just vote the rest of the ballot and leave Presidential to those with a genuine preference. Undecided to the end. But that's just me.

323 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:05:23pm

re: #321 Interesting Times

How about a cast iron skillet? //

324 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:05:55pm

re: #317 freetoken

The day of the spinning disks are over.

What am I going to do with my CD collection?

Frosty Xmas ornaments?

325 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:06:31pm

re: #324 Joanne

Frosty Xmas ornaments?

Speaking of which, I've been editing my Christmas music bookmarks.....

326 PhillyPretzel  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:06:48pm

re: #317 freetoken

drink coasters?

327 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:07:49pm

re: #311 freetoken

I've got to say that the new iMac looks really beautiful.

can i get that in steampunk?

328 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:08:30pm

re: #316 erik_t

'00 Nader voters are partially culpable with thousands of US kids dying in Iraq (not to mention god knows how many Iraqis). If they're at peace with that, and would make the same decision again, there's honestly not much more I can say.

The absolute vast majority of the time, a person who truly cannot weigh one candidate against the other and come to an actual preference, that person doesn't really know what the hell they believe anyway.

Not so. It's quite possible for ones principles to not be well enough represented by either finalist. That person may well have fallen in the primary. The scenario that might have happened to me is far from impossible. Two men too extreme for my vote. Fortunately for us all this year is not that scenario.

329 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:08:48pm

re: #322 Daniel Ballard

Just by way of explaining my indie thinking-
Liking Romney and the GOP less is not the same as liking Obama or anyone else more. These are separate things. Think of it this way, it was a "lesser evil" mentality that got Mitt instead of a better alternative through the primary. And two competent opponents is better for the nation and the system IMO.

If I did not like any of the above I would just vote the rest of the ballot and leave Presidential to those with a genuine preference. Undecided to the end. But that's just me.

But given the way the right reacted to her, her chances of voting for Romney should be just about at 0%. She should be decided by now, even if that decision is to just not vote for either.

330 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:11:03pm

re: #318 JamesWI

That works fine for the particular lady, I'd be pissed enough to vote for Obama in that. I give ya that one. But the larger question is still there. Absent the "none of the above" poll how can we figure how many people that is? Might be a record high this time for all we know.

331 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:13:57pm

re: #329 JamesWI

Right, but neither gets logged as undecided though in any poll.

332 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:15:46pm

I'm in a seriously "willfully stupid people make me want to smash things" bad mood. Just found out the author of a book I bought (and would have recommended to others) has gone all, durr hurr, Obama disappointed me by not being inspiring enough so I'm going to vote for Romney because he won the first debate:

Follow the tweeted link for the head-splitting derp drenched in dumbfuckery.

333 Big Joe  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:17:54pm

Oh dear, Fox News has detected bias in the media

BIAS ALERT: Apology Tour Didn't Happen, Media Says

“The high point of that debate for Romney is when he devastatingly leveled the charge of Obama going around the world on ‘an apology tour,’” columnist Charles Krauthammer asserted on the Fox News Channel following Monday night’s third presidential debate. But what Krauthammer saw as so powerful for Mitt Romney, the mainstream outlets tried to discredit based on the flimsy reasoning that Obama didn’t actually say the word “apologize.”

News media “fact-checkers” just can’t accept the characterization that President Barack Obama ever went on anything like “an apology tour” and they were quick to “correct” Romney for daring to make the charge.

Obama knew he had journalists as allies and so responded to Romney by contending “every fact-checker and every reporter who’s looked at it, Governor, has said this is not true.”

334 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:20:28pm

re: #331 Daniel Ballard

Right, but neither gets logged as undecided though in any poll.

I don't think the "neither" folks are going to bother answering any polls. Unless they're INCREDIBLY lonely.

335 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:21:01pm

re: #333 Big Joe

Oh dear, Fox News has detected bias in the media

Fox reporting on "media bias" is like a leper judging a beauty contest.

336 Iwouldprefernotto  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:23:05pm

re: #335 Targetpractice

Fox reporting on "media bias" is like a leper judging a beauty contest.

NO. It's like a blind man judging a beauty contest.

A deaf woman judging American Idol......

337 BongCrodny  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:23:10pm

re: #218 Joanne

I'm starting to think Trump is a Dem.

If Trump's a Democrat, I may have to take Ojoe's advice and become a Whig.

338 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:25:16pm

The "alternative" candidates' debates is a hoot:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

339 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:25:21pm

re: #260 austin_blue

Hmmm.... was the Cole a boat?

[Link: images.search.yahoo.com...]

At that point, while on the back of the Blue Marlin, I'd say yes

340 Big Joe  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:26:51pm

re: #335 Targetpractice

Fox reporting on "media bias" is like a leper judging a beauty contest.

No, they're more like the guy in the bible noting the speck in other's eyes.

341 BongCrodny  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:27:27pm

re: #329 JamesWI

But given the way the right reacted to her, her chances of voting for Romney should be just about at 0%. She should be decided by now, even if that decision is to just not vote for either.

Log Cabin Republican Syndrome.

342 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:29:00pm

Night Lizards. Been a long day. As always, May The Deity Of Your Choice Smile Down Upon You and Yours.

Sleep Well Lizards.

Youtube Video
343 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:29:21pm

Constitution Party candidate speaking....

344 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:30:02pm

NO FOREIGNERS!!

345 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:31:04pm

Johnson: "We should not bomb Iran".

I think Mitt would support that.

346 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:32:12pm

Gary Johnson is trending on Twitter! Praise be to SpaceJesus! :D

347 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:33:54pm

re: #310 erik_t

Doesn't really help. Outside of true Kang vs. Kodos everyone-is-cartoonishly-evil matchups, I have very little patience for those who put principle before pragmatism.

Yeah we look at that quite differently. Keep in mind Obama got this fiscal conservative right leaning vote.

348 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:35:39pm

re: #337 BongCrodny

If Trump's a Democrat, I may have to take Ojoe's advice and become a Whig.

The man hurts Romney every step of the way. Thank you, sir! May I have another?

But I'm a dem. What do I know?

349 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:36:06pm

Watching the also-rans debate reminds me how empty the "real" "debates" were. For example, just discussed is the outrageously high incarceration rate in the US - something missing from the big two "debates".

350 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:37:50pm

re: #345 freetoken

Johnson: "We should not bomb Iran".

I think Mitt would support that.

And the next day...

John Bolton: I think we should bomb Iran immediately.

I think Mitt would support that.

351 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:38:01pm

I love it when my Twitter timeline provides such coincidental yet lulz-worthy and insightful juxtaposition:

"I have no science to back it up, but..."

352 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:41:06pm

HEMP! HEMP!HEMP!HEMP!HEMP!HEMP!HEMP!HEMP!HEMP!

353 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:43:36pm

Can these destructive douchebags just get raptured already and leave the rest of the us the fuck alone?

354 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:47:24pm

re: #353 Interesting Times

My initial believe was that the Evangelicals would shun Romney, given that Mormonism is allegedly Satanic. However, many supposed Evangelicals have magically modified their beliefs, at least enough to support Romney.

So much for immutable theology.

355 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:47:44pm

re: #354 freetoken

pimf "belief"

356 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:49:21pm

re: #300 JamesWI

More evidence of the stupidity of undecided voters...

Katherine Fenton, the college student who asked the question about gender inequality at the town hall debate, was just on CNN on Anderson Coopers show. They said she was still undecided.....

The entire right-wing launches a smear campaign against her because she dared to ask Romney if he thinks women should be paid as much as men, they dug through her personal life trying to make her out to be a raging drunk slut.....and she's still considering voting for their guy???? What is it going to take to make her decide?

This is not a lady you want to go shoe shopping with.

357 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:53:05pm

re: #300 JamesWI

More evidence of the stupidity of undecided voters...

Katherine Fenton, the college student who asked the question about gender inequality at the town hall debate, was just on CNN on Anderson Coopers show. They said she was still undecided.....

The entire right-wing launches a smear campaign against her because she dared to ask Romney if he thinks women should be paid as much as men, they dug through her personal life trying to make her out to be a raging drunk slut.....and she's still considering voting for their guy???? What is it going to take to make her decide?

Apparently she's not smart enough to pour piss out of a boot, even if the instructions were printed on the heel

358 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:54:41pm

re: #281 freetoken

FBI: Louisiana woman staged racist attack

This is why we have 24 and 48 hour "rules" - many times reality has to be carefully determined.

God almighty. I wondered when I heard about the stuff written on her. It always seems to be fake when stuff is written or carved into them. But then I thought, third degree burns.

359 Kaessa  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:59:22pm

re: #292 freetoken

At $329 the new iPad Mini is not going to be in my Christmas stocking.

I'd like to have a light PDF reader to use, but the Kindle is much more aggressively priced. Yet the Kindle is limited in functionality to interact with my Macs.

I love my Nexus 7, and the 8GB model (which I have) is perfect for using as an e-reader... and it's only $199.

360 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:10:24pm

re: #354 freetoken

My initial believe was that the Evangelicals would shun Romney, given that Mormonism is allegedly Satanic. However, many supposed Evangelicals have magically modified their beliefs, at least enough to support Romney.

So much for immutable theology.

It's all rubber.

361 Areopagitica  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 5:38:22am

We absolutely need to develop the ability of our fighters to fire through their propellers.....

I'm Mitt Romney and I endorse this ad.


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