Reuters: Obama’s ‘Narrow Edge’ Is Actually a ‘Comfortable Margin’

Headed for an electoral landslide
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This is what is known as “burying the lede,” as Reuters casually tosses off a note that Barack Obama is headed for a landslide electoral victory in an article titled: Obama Holds Narrow Edge Two Weeks Ahead of Election.

Obama maintains a larger advantage in the state-by-state battle that will determine the outcome of the election. Ipsos projects that Obama holds an edge in the most hotly contested states, including Florida, Virginia and Ohio, and is likely to win by a relatively comfortable margin of 332 electoral votes to 206 electoral votes.

332 to 206 doesn’t really fit my definition of a “narrow edge.”

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381 comments
1 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:55:12pm

Noticed that they give FL, OH, and NV to Obama, but aren't there questions about that?

2 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:57:29pm

re: #1 freetoken

Noticed that they give FL, OH, and NV to Obama, but aren't there questions about that?

I wish. Nate Silver has Florida at about 67% for Romney. I just got back from organizing my next GOTV trip there, in the Panhandle.

3 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:57:38pm

re: #1 freetoken

Noticed that they give FL, OH, and NV to Obama, but aren't there questions about that?

Shush!
/

4 Tigger2  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 6:58:46pm

The MSM has to keep it sounding close to keep their viewership up they don't want people to get bored and watch something else.

5 3eff Jeff  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:00:25pm

re: #1 freetoken

I've been watching Dr. Tanenbaum's site ([Link: electoral-vote.com...] ), and the polls he's got put Romney at a statistical tie in Florida and a clear advantage in Nevada and Ohio for Obama. The Reuters map doesn't look at all out of the realm of possibility.

6 dragonath  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:01:07pm

via Political Wire:

"Life is that gift from God. I think that even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something God intended to happen."

-- Indiana U.S. Senate candidate Richard Mourdock (R), at a debate tonight with Rep. Joe Donnelly (D).

7 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:01:23pm

re: #2 Decatur Deb

I wish. Nate Silver has Florida at about 67% for Romney. I just got back from organizing my next GOTV trip there, in the Panhandle.

And that makes the map problematic. It lists at least one where Obama is behind right now in his corner. That is seriously questionable.

8 Tigger2  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:02:29pm

re: #6 dragonath

via Political Wire:

I hope Donnelly kicks Mourdocks butt.

9 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:02:58pm

"Our students are indentured students!" - Stein

Loving the alternative debate:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

10 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:03:42pm

re: #4 Tigger2

The MSM has to keep it sounding close to keep their viewership up they don't want people to get bored and watch something else.

Like paint drying or flies fucking.

11 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:03:45pm

re: #9 freetoken

"Our students are indentured students servants!" - Stein

Loving the alternative debate:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

pimf

12 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:04:17pm

re: #6 dragonath

via Political Wire:

Call Richard Mourdock a fanatic if you will, but at least he was forthright with that statement. Even calling that statement utterly wrong, at least he explained himself directly, instead of hiding behind a lie like Todd Akin. Todd Akin isn't even a good wingnut.

13 3eff Jeff  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:04:48pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

And that makes the map problematic. It lists at least one where Obama is behind right now in his corner. That is seriously questionable.

Virginia and Colorado are also polling as toss-ups right now. But flipping FL, CO and VA still leaves Obama with 282 EVs. And those three are hardly in the bag for Romney.

14 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:05:24pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

And that makes the map problematic. It lists at least one where Obama is behind right now in his corner. That is seriously questionable.

Not questioning it, ignoring it. I'll work on the assumption that Obama is 2 points down until I fix that.

15 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:05:48pm

re: #5 3eff Jeff

Remember, Rasmussen tilts way heavy towards the Republicans.

16 dragonath  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:06:19pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, at least Mao was forthright too.

Doesn't make it any better, I'm afraid.

17 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:06:25pm

re: #14 Decatur Deb

Not questioning it, ignoring it. I'll work on the assumption that Obama is 2 points down until I fix that.

Best way to approach things. Don't assume you've won until the clock reads 00:00.

18 Big Joe  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:07:17pm

I generated a map like that last night. I did not give Florida or Virginia to BO and I came up with ~290. I'd settle for that.

19 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:08:23pm

re: #15 ProGunLiberal

For example, Rasmussen has their most recent poll of Colorado swinging 9 points from the PPP Poll on the 18th, to their poll on the 21st.

20 Big Joe  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:08:47pm

You can make your own here

21 3eff Jeff  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:08:53pm

re: #15 ProGunLiberal

Remember, Rasmussen tilts way heavy towards the Republicans.

That's right. FL and VA are still tied if you ignore Rasmussen and accept the rest of ast's poll set. CO is a bit rosier, but not in the bag for Obama. I definitely think Obama has an EV advantage.

22 calochortus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:09:18pm

re: #6 dragonath

via Political Wire:

Yes, and when God gives you an infection, he wants you to fight it off yourself or die. No antibiotics for him.

23 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:10:30pm

It's funny. We can't predict the weather a week out, but we can call the election two weeks early.

There are way too many variables to do this. What's the weather going to be on election day in the key states? Will people actually bother to vote, no matter what they say to the pollsters. Will Donald Trump's HUGE SURPRISE change everything?

Damned if I know.

24 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:11:27pm

McCain only won 173 electoral votes, so Romney is doing better in that respect. But if the polls hold up, there is only one state that will have switched from blue to red. Indiana. After 4 years of nonstop campaigning and spending hundreds of millions of dollars, all Mitt managed to do was win the same states McCain won plus Indiana.

Mitt, you're fired.

25 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:11:45pm

re: #21 3eff Jeff

Florida and their numbnutses are lost. Virginia I think can still be kept in our column. The Senate is a bigger issue.

And who the hell is Wenzel Strategies.

26 calochortus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:11:53pm

These "user generated maps" always look so very authoritative, but I've seen an awful lot which simply represent the devout hopes of the map-maker.

27 Skip Intro  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:11:59pm

re: #22 calochortus

Yes, and when God gives you an infection, he wants you to fight it off yourself or die. No antibiotics for him.

Damn straight. Doctors are the tool of the devil.

28 MikeTheModerateDemocrat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:12:11pm

re: #5 3eff Jeff

I've been watching Dr. Tanenbaum's site ([Link: electoral-vote.com...] ), and the polls he's got put Romney at a statistical tie in Florida and a clear advantage in Nevada and Ohio for Obama. The Reuters map doesn't look at all out of the realm of possibility.

Not out of the realm of possibility but that map is definitely Obama's best case scenario.

29 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:12:29pm

re: #20 Big Joe

Heh, I just gave Obama 360 EV by giving him a surprising victory in South Dakota.

30 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:12:47pm

re: #26 calochortus

These "user generated maps" always look so very authoritative, but I've seen an awful lot which simply represent the devout hopes of the map-maker.

Mine has mermaids, and dragons.

31 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:13:09pm

re: #15 ProGunLiberal

Remember, Rasmussen tilts way heavy towards the Republicans.

Ah good, you're here. Found a blurb about this article on my weekly Jane's Naval Forces digest, thought you'd be interested, so I tracked down the original article for you:

First Indigenous Warship For Bangladesh Navy

The first indigenous Bangladeshi warship has been launched, paving the way for the country's navy to soon be able to deploy its own, home-grown design.

Assembled at the Khulna shipyard, it's a patrol boat equipped with a pair of 20mm guns and a pair of 37mm guns and it has a weight of 255 tonnes. 50.4 metres long, it's 7.5 metres wide, 4.1 metres high and it can carry out missions lasting up to seven days at a time.

It's also got a 20mph cruise speed and it was constructed through a development programme overseen and supported by the China Shipbuilding Industry Corporation (CSIC) - one of the two dominant Chinese ship-manufacturing organisations alongside CSSC (the China State Shipbuilding Corporation).

That was from the 10th. The yard-dogs at Khulna handed over another, smaller vessel this week and she was commissioned today. That article is here.

32 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:13:22pm

I have strong doubts about Obama taking Florida this year, hell of a lot of vocal Romney supporters in my area, McCain had nothing like this level of support in 2008.

33 Big Joe  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:13:42pm

re: #29 freetoken

Heh, I just gave Obama 360 EV by giving him a surprising victory in South Dakota.

I used 538s data in the battleground states on his page.

34 calochortus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:13:42pm

re: #30 Decatur Deb

Mine has mermaids, and dragons.

Well, then I'll definitely go with yours. Who is going to win?

35 3eff Jeff  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:14:00pm

re: #25 ProGunLiberal

Florida and their numbnutses are lost. Virginia I think can still be kept in our column. The Senate is a bigger issue.

And who the hell is Wenzel Strategies.

Don't know about Wenzel Strategies, but Romney's handlers could let him open his mouth in public again before the election. Florida is close enough to be problematic again.

36 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:14:03pm

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

37 dragonath  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:14:16pm

Florida is kind of a stubborn state to swing either way. I wouldn't be surprised if Obama carries it again.

Earlier today , a Democratic operative came out and said something along the lines of Obama probably not carrying North Carolina, and a Republican guy said that Romney will most likely lose Nevada. Coming from them, it's either a moment of candor or an exhortation to get out the vote...

38 3eff Jeff  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:14:42pm

re: #28 MikeTheModerateDemocrat

Not out of the realm of possibility but that map is definitely Obama's best case scenario.

Definitely agree with that.

39 Charles Johnson  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:14:56pm

Nate Silver's electoral forecast is more conservative, but it still looks decisive.

Image: ZZ12BE6D54.jpg

40 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:15:02pm

re: #34 calochortus

Well, then I'll definitely go with yours. Who is going to win?

73.2% that Romney falls off the edge of the earth.

41 calochortus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:15:55pm

re: #40 Decatur Deb

Cool! I want to see video.

42 3eff Jeff  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:15:56pm

re: #34 calochortus

Well, then I'll definitely go with yours. Who is going to win?

RON PAUL! ///

43 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:16:18pm

re: #36 freetoken

I see Karl Rove is calling Michigan a toss-up. ha. And I though Republicans were opposed to the use of marijuana.

44 MikeTheModerateDemocrat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:16:31pm

I have a right winger facebook friend who is now ranting about the electoral college being outdated. Wonder where he's been the last 50 years when the the thing was rigged in his guys' favor. I did ask him whether he felt the same way in 2000. All he could muster was some rambling about inventing the internet and what not.

45 dragonath  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:16:34pm

Oh, and I've noticed Romney supporters are in something of a frenzy right now with their signs. Everywhere. It's like zero hour is approaching for 'em.

46 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:16:39pm

Oregon's not in play this year, I may stay home again for the second election in a row. I'm kind of warming up to the not voting thing.

47 calochortus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:16:48pm

re: #43 Mich-again

Even Karl is having trouble making it work for Romney...

48 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:16:51pm

re: #34 calochortus

Well, then I'll definitely go with yours. Who is going to win?

The mermaids. Disney won't let the dragons win unless they have Vikings riding on them. But the Minnesota Vikings are going to pound the Tampa Bay Buccaneers to dust on Thursday, so Florida won't like Vikings all that much on Election Day. Mermaids will win swimming away.

//Must I?

49 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:16:52pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Call Richard Mourdock a fanatic if you will, but at least he was forthright with that statement. Even calling that statement utterly wrong, at least he explained himself directly, instead of hiding behind a lie like Todd Akin. Todd Akin isn't even a good wingnut.

puke. fanatical gop men.

50 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:17:12pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

Nate Silver's electoral forecast is more conservative, but it still looks decisive.

Image: ZZ12BE6D54.jpg

Silver's model probably undercounts Brooks Brothers, Sproul, the Supreme Court and Diebold.

51 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:17:29pm

re: #40 Decatur Deb

73.2% that Romney falls off the edge of the earth.

With or without luggage.

52 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:17:50pm

re: #37 dragonath

North Carolina ain't ready for Primetime yet. Give it a few more cycles.

Virginia is where Colorado was in 2006. The big concentration should be trying to push Republicans out of seats in enough of the US to gain a Filibuster proof majority. Implausible now, but with Demographic Trends, by 2024, we might be able to get good stuff shoved through.

I have it Obama 303-Romney 235.

53 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:17:51pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Oregon's not in play this year, I may stay home again for the second election in a row. I'm kind of warming up to the not voting thing.

Don't be an ass, Killgore. Go to the polling place and do your civic duty.

54 calochortus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:18:35pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Oregon's not in play this year, I may stay home again for the second election in a row. I'm kind of warming up to the not voting thing.

There is nothing on the ballot that matters to you? At all?

55 3eff Jeff  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:18:36pm

re: #51 Gangnam Style

With or without luggage.

He'll charter his trip. The luggage will make it.

56 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:18:50pm

re: #49 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

puke. fanatical gop men.

oh and dark, lest you or are confused, im calling you a pukeable gop fanatic. How dare you guys so happily hate on women?

57 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:19:55pm

re: #44 MikeTheModerateDemocrat

I have a right winger facebook friend who is now ranting about the electoral college being outdated. Wonder where he's been the last 50 years when the the thing was rigged in his guys' favor. I did ask him whether he felt the same way in 2000. All he could muster was some rambling about inventing the internet and what not.

Joy: Come on Darnell, you can sign up too.

Darnell: I'm already registered to vote.

Joy: What?

Darnell: Not that it matters. Cause until we reform the electoral college, the popular votes will be ignored and we'll keep electing presidents that only get a minority of the votes.

Joy: That must be some black stuff, I don't know what he is talking about.

58 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:20:15pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Oregon's not in play this year, I may stay home again for the second election in a row. I'm kind of warming up to the not voting thing.

I'm in California and for sure Romney has 0% chance of winning the state.

But.... the ballot is full of important things, not the least of which are some of the local elections around here. Then there are the Propositions, most of which I'll vote against.

Voting is one of two duties my country demands of me. The other is jury duty, which I did this spring.

59 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:20:23pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

Don't be an ass, Killgore. Go to the polling place and do your civic duty.

What he said.

60 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:20:24pm

re: #54 calochortus

There is nothing on the ballot that matters to you? At all?

There are some local issues; "legalizing" pot (again) and fluoride in the water. Both seem nice.

61 3eff Jeff  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:20:25pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Oregon's not in play this year, I may stay home again for the second election in a row. I'm kind of warming up to the not voting thing.

Aren't you guys absentee only? Seriously, how hard is it to fill it out? I turned my absentee ballot in yesterday.

62 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:20:40pm

re: #36 freetoken

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

LOL.....Karl Rove has Minnesota, Oregon as toss-ups......

63 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:20:45pm

re: #54 calochortus

There is nothing on the ballot that matters to you? At all?

we are being trolled again by a person who needs attention

64 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:20:46pm

They've done studies you know.. 60% of the time, it works every time.

Youtube Video
65 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:21:02pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Folks, please understand I didn't say I agree with Richard Mourdock. What was trying to say is that at least he was clear and didn't try to weasel. Any backlash he gets from his words will be less than Todd Akin received because unlike Akin Mourdock didn't try to bullshit.

My remarks were anti-bullshit, not anti-abortion.

66 dragonath  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:21:04pm

Remember, patriots shed their blood so Killgore could stay at home this November.

67 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:21:23pm

Heck, I might vote for Gary Johnson simply because he admits in public that he's smoked mj before.

Honesty ought to be rewarded.

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:21:41pm

re: #58 freetoken

I'm in California and for sure Romney has 0% chance of winning the state.

But.... the ballot is full of important things, not the least of which are some of the local elections around here. Then there are the Propositions, most of which I'll vote against.

Voting is one of two duties my country demands of me. The other is jury duty, which I did this spring.

We've got a shitload of stuff on the ballot. The presidential election is easy. Other stuff is hard.

69 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:22:05pm

re: #58 freetoken

I'm in California and for sure Romney has 0% chance of winning the state.

But.... the ballot is full of important things, not the least of which are some of the local elections around here. Then there are the Propositions, most of which I'll vote against.

Voting is one of two duties my country demands of me. The other is jury duty, which I did this spring.

I've ducked out of jury duty a couple times over the past few years. I'm a self employed sole proprietor so it's no dice for me. I think they've stopped asking.

70 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:22:11pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Call Richard Mourdock a fanatic if you will, but at least he was forthright with that statement. Even calling that statement utterly wrong, at least he explained himself directly, instead of hiding behind a lie like Todd Akin. Todd Akin isn't even a good wingnut.

Thank you DF I will call him a fanatic, I really can not stand fatalists....

71 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:22:13pm

re: #39 Charles Johnson

I have Obama on my map getting Colorado, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, Ohio, Virginia, and Montana.

That comes to 303-235

72 calochortus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:22:22pm

re: #63 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

we are being trolled again by a person who needs attention

He has frogs. Why would he need more attention than that?

73 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:22:22pm

it's a narrow edge because you have to factor in massive republican cheating

74 Killgore Trout  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:22:31pm

re: #66 dragonath

Remember, patriots shed their blood so Killgore could stay at home this November.

Hooray!
/

75 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:23:13pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

Folks, please understand I didn't say I agree with Richard Mourdock. What was trying to say is that at least he was clear and didn't try to weasel. Any backlash he gets from his words will be less than Todd Akin received because unlike Akin Mourdock didn't try to bullshit.

My remarks were anti-bullshit, not anti-abortion.

yah, but i have a feeling that even though, you will vote for these pukes who know soooo much about womenfolk.

76 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:23:36pm

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

Joy: Come on Darnell, you can sign up too.

Darnell: I'm already registered to vote.

Joy: What?

Darnell: Not that it matters. Cause until we reform the electoral college, the popular votes will be ignored and we'll keep electing presidents that only get a minority of the votes.

Joy: That must be some black stuff, I don't know what he is talking about.

My Name is Earl was the good shit...

77 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:23:50pm

re: #60 Killgore Trout

There are some local issues; "legalizing" pot (again) and fluoride in the water. Both seem nice.

pot and fluoride in the water? hmm.

78 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:24:00pm

re: #71 ProGunLiberal

I have Obama on my map getting Colorado, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, Ohio, Virginia, and Montana.

That comes to 303-235

Strike Montana, no one's giving him that.

Did you see my post #31?

79 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:24:01pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

We've got a shitload of stuff on the ballot. The presidential election is easy. Other stuff is hard.

I (absentee) voted against an amendment to the AL constitution that rescinds the state's right to run separate black and white school systems.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:24:12pm

I think the thing about Romney and Iran got overdone...but I do like the second map here.

[Link: angryblackladychronicles.com...]

Ignore these Gulfs.

More of a Lake.

Sea!

81 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:24:34pm

re: #77 Mich-again

Maybe it's fluoride in the pot?

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:24:44pm

re: #79 Decatur Deb

I (absentee) voted against an amendment to the AL constitution that rescinds the state's right to run separate black and white school systems.

What are the issues?

83 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:24:48pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

Don't be an ass, Killgore. Go to the polling place and do your civic duty.

I am in maryland, we have not gone red since what,,, Nixon? I am still voting as are the rest of my family.

84 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:25:31pm

Don't feed the troll.......

85 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:25:58pm

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

What are the issues?

The drafter seems to have accidentally killed the state's requirement to fund public education. Just an oversight.

86 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:26:07pm

Why is the ADA-Communist alliance trying to put fluoride in our pot?

87 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:26:18pm

re: #83 jamesfirecat

I am in maryland, we have ot gone read since what,,, Nixon? I am still voting as are the rest of my family.

I know that Maryland voted for Reagan in 1984. I think that was the most recent time it went Republican.

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:26:25pm

re: #85 Decatur Deb

The drafter seems to have accidentally killed the state's requirement to fund public education. Just an oversight.

Whoops.

89 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:27:18pm

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist

I think the thing about Romney and Iran got overdone...but I do like the second map here.

[Link: angryblackladychronicles.com...]

Ignore these Gulfs.

More of a Lake.

Sea!

Two Afghanistans.

90 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:27:31pm

I'm going to be out of the country for a couple weeks so I'm going to miss all the mayhem and riots and the start of 10,000 years of darkness that Rush says will begin the day after Obama is re-elected. I already voted absentee.

91 MikeTheModerateDemocrat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:27:38pm

re: #83 jamesfirecat

I am in maryland, we have ot gone read since what,,, Nixon? I am still voting as are the rest of my family.

Reagan for sure, and not sure if Dukakis carried MD. He carried West Virginia however despite being just as, if not more, "liberal" than Obama. What could the difference have been? Hmmmmmmmmmm.

92 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:27:46pm

re: #81 freetoken

Maybe it's fluoride in the pot?

What, no mercury?

93 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:28:10pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

I know that Maryland voted for Reagan in 1984. I think that was the most recent time it went Republican.

fair enough, still we are gonna go Obama and go hard, but hey I will be a vote that will be cast by absentee ballot and thus never opened because Obama will carry the state by a margin greater than the number of absentee ballots cast, but I will vote none the less!

94 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:28:11pm

re: #86 freetoken

Why is the ADA-Communist alliance trying to put fluoride in our pot?

To docilize hippies some that they don't offend Killgore by going all rapey-stabby when they protest stuff.

///

95 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:28:19pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

Yes, I did.

Montana should have been Wisconsin.

Not sure how that happened.

96 freetoken  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:28:21pm

Larry King did a much better job with the also-rans than the selected moderators for the main "debates".

97 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:28:32pm

the real clear politics no tossups map gives obama 281

that's without CO, VA, or FL, and they only give FL to romney because he has gone up from being behind to dead even, so it's a "trend"

it seems that even if you take out the rassmussen polls, this doesn't change

98 nines09  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:28:44pm

re: #6 dragonath

via Political Wire:

And if your brakes fail and you kill a family of five, well that was Gods will too. That semi that just ran over 2 cars and killed 3 because a steering tire failed? Gods will. You have cancer? HE has a plan. See? Easy when you have a wireless setup with the Man Upstairs. Pile of offal with lips.

99 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:29:32pm

re: #24 Mich-again

McCain only won 173 electoral votes, so Romney is doing better in that respect. But if the polls hold up, there is only one state that will have switched from blue to red. Indiana. After 4 years of nonstop campaigning and spending hundreds of millions of dollars, all Mitt managed to do was win the same states McCain won plus Indiana.

Mitt, you're fired.

Actually, it will be two states with NC, which barely went for Obama.

100 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:29:35pm

re: #90 Mich-again

I'm going to be out of the country for a couple weeks so I'm going to miss all the mayhem and riots and the start of 10,000 years of darkness that Rush says will begin the day after Obama is re-elected. I already voted absentee.

I am so glad I don't live in the US. The mayhem, riots and darkness can stay down there, thank you. Rush Limbaugh too.

101 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:29:38pm

re: #86 freetoken

Why is the ADA-Communist alliance trying to put fluoride in our pot?

Big Pharma is behind it all.

102 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:31:27pm

re: #98 nines09

And if your brakes fail and you kill a family of five, well that was Gods will too. That semi that just ran over 2 cars and killed 3 because a steering tire failed? Gods will. You have cancer? HE has a plan. See? Easy when you have a wireless setup with the Man Upstairs. Pile of offal with lips.

Cue "it's like it was meant to be " clip form Signs, can not link it myself since I am on iPad.

103 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:32:04pm

even at its most unfavorable for obama, current polling gives him the electoral college by 11 but losing the popular vote to romney by .8%

how much of a pctg was gore ahead in 2000?

104 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:32:35pm

Nate Silver has Romney at nearly a 30% chance of winning, which is substantially better than zero. It means don't be surprised if he wins, and we cannot take this election for granted.

105 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:32:43pm

I gave Romney all states.
Unskewed!

106 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:32:45pm

re: #88 SanFranciscoZionist

Whoops.

Here:

[Link: blog.al.com...]

107 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:32:45pm

re: #90 Mich-again

I'm going to be out of the country for a couple weeks so I'm going to miss all the mayhem and riots and the start of 10,000 years of darkness that Rush says will begin the day after Obama is re-elected. I already voted absentee.

Matty Moroun is spending millions on mass mailings and media adverts sending instructions on how to vote. He sends out separate mailings for proposals he wants people to vote NO and other mailings for proposals he wants people to vote YES.

The mailings warn ominously against "special interests" who want to DESTROY the state constitution unless you vote the way Matty Moroun tells you!

Of course these mailings are sent out by bogus PACS and Matty's name is nowhere to be seen, but it's his troll fingerprints everywhere.

108 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:33:11pm

re: #98 nines09

And if your brakes fail and you kill a family of five, well that was Gods will too. That semi that just ran over 2 cars and killed 3 because a steering tire failed? Gods will. You have cancer? HE has a plan. See? Easy when you have a wireless setup with the Man Upstairs. Pile of offal with lips.

The whole notion that God is pulling all the strings and whatever happens happened because God wanted it to happen sounds more like Satanism than Christianity.

109 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:33:41pm

re: #103 engineer cat

even at its most unfavorable for obama, current polling gives him the electoral college by 11 but losing the popular vote to romney by .8%

how much of a pctg was gore ahead in 2000?

It's gonna be '00 over again, only the reverse. I know that there's gonna be a lot made of previous calls for the abolishing of the electoral college in favor of the popular vote. I think it a massive mistake, but it's an idea that appeals to a nation that votes for American Idols rather than presidents.

110 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:34:14pm

re: #103 engineer cat

even at its most unfavorable for obama, current polling gives him the electoral college by 11 but losing the popular vote to romney by .8%

how much of a pctg was gore ahead in 2000?

0.5%

111 dragonath  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:34:25pm

re: #105 Varek Raith

I gave Romney all states.
Unskewed!

Ericksonsonsonson is gonna sue you for copyright infringement!

112 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:34:59pm

re: #95 ProGunLiberal

Yes, I did.

Montana should have been Wisconsin.

Not sure how that happened.

Accidents will happen.

On that other topic, having a Chinese-managed shipyard next door must be an unpleasant matter for India. Any thoughts or insights of your own?

113 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:35:57pm

Here in Canuckistan a person can become Prime Minister even though his party gets way less than 50% of the vote. That's the problem with having more than two parties.

114 nines09  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:36:01pm

re: #102 jamesfirecat

Oh they kill me. If anyone but the chosen "patriots" win it's the Devil Incarnate at work. Everything else is Gods hand.

115 danarchy  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:36:10pm

re: #49 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

puke. fanatical gop men.

Let's be fair, there are plenty of GOP women who would agree.

116 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:36:30pm

re: #107 Sheila Broflovski

Matty Moroun is spending millions on mass mailings and media adverts sending instructions on how to vote. He sends out separate mailings for proposals he wants people to vote NO and other mailings for proposals he wants people to vote YES.

The mailings warn ominously against "special interests" who want to DESTROY the state constitution unless you vote the way Matty Moroun tells you!

Of course these mailings are sent out by bogus PACS and Matty's name is nowhere to be seen, but it's his troll fingerprints everywhere.

Of course. Manny is a dirtbag. I would have some respect if he came right out and admitted he doesn't want competition for bridge fees, but he comes up with a demagogue campaign full of lies and bullshit.

117 nines09  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:37:16pm

re: #108 Mich-again

It's a Cult.

118 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:37:18pm

re: #113 Gangnam Style

Here in Canuckistan a person can become Prime Minister even though his party gets less than way 50% of the vote. That's the problem with having more than two parties.

Clinton became President with way less than 50% because of Ross Perot.

119 Varek Raith  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:37:20pm

re: #107 Sheila Broflovski

Matty Moroun is spending millions on mass mailings and media adverts sending instructions on how to vote. He sends out separate mailings for proposals he wants people to vote NO and other mailings for proposals he wants people to vote YES.

The mailings warn ominously against "special interests" who want to DESTROY the state constitution unless you vote the way Matty Moroun tells you!

Of course these mailings are sent out by bogus PACS and Matty's name is nowhere to be seen, but it's his troll fingerprints everywhere.

That the bridge troll?

120 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:38:12pm

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

Yeah, that has got to be unpleasant. Unfortunately, China has the market cornered on cheap weapons, which is exactly what Bangladesh can afford.

121 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:38:40pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Don't worry, we know you'll vote for Mittens.

122 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:38:53pm

re: #5 3eff Jeff

I've been watching Dr. Tanenbaum's site ([Link: electoral-vote.com...] ), and the polls he's got put Romney at a statistical tie in Florida and a clear advantage in Nevada and Ohio for Obama. The Reuters map doesn't look at all out of the realm of possibility.

Thanks for that link. Don't know if you've been looking at them, but I also recommend:

[Link: election.princeton.edu...]

and

[Link: pollyvote.forecastingprinciples.com...]

The first one pegged 2004 precisely in the electoral vote count, and was off by a total of 1 electoral vote in 2008. He uses only state polls and no economic data. He and Nate Silver were on NPR's Science Friday.

[Link: sciencefriday.com...]

The second link is to a hardcore libertarian predictions expert from Wharton (apparently Nate Silver talks about Armstrong in his new book). He has Obama as a small but clear favorite (on the popular vote), but he does have Obama trending downward pretty strongly in recent days.

123 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:39:03pm

re: #117 nines09

It's a Cult.

If Predestination was true, there wouldn't need to be a heaven or a hell. If we're just acting out some storyline God wrote in advance, whats the fucking point of religion at all.

124 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:39:05pm

re: #115 danarchy

Let's be fair, there are plenty of GOP women who would agree.

its a cult

125 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:39:17pm

re: #109 Targetpractice

It's gonna be '00 over again, only the reverse. I know that there's gonna be a lot made of previous calls for the abolishing of the electoral college in favor of the popular vote. I think it a massive mistake, but it's an idea that appeals to a nation that votes for American Idols rather than presidents.

The Old College Try
Conservatives shouldn’t complain if Romney pulls a Gore.

By Daniel Foster

Image: pic_giant_101912_E.jpg

Model showing the popular-vote edge going to Romney (CBS News/YouGov)

So suppose Romney wins the popular vote, and even wins it by enough that the margin can’t be niggled away by the plague of Democratic lawyers sure to croak their way across the continent like so many Old Testament frogs. But suppose as well that, despite running up the score in, say, Florida, Romney comes up short in, say, Ohio? (Actually, don’t just say Ohio. It’ll be Ohio if it’s anywhere.) What then? You’ll recall the stories about Team Dubya having talking points prepared for what they then thought was the significant possibility that Bush would win the popular vote but lose the presidency in 2000. In the event that this fate befalls Romney, some partisan Republicans — and no doubt a good number of conservatives more broadly — will be tempted, from epiphany or expediency, to revise their opinion of the Electoral College. But that would be a catastrophic mistake, both for conservatism and for the republic.

Though readers on the right will no doubt be familiar with the arguments in favor of the College (indeed, they are likely to be just about the only statistically significant demographic in the country familiar with such arguments), they bear summation. In short, the College reflects the formal and constitutional fact that the president is elected chief executive of a union of states — federated but sovereign — and not a glomeration of people. The executive of the Constitution, of the Founders, is president of the United States, not president of America. Its detractors consider it an anachronism, but if federalism still means anything — and sadly, that’s something of an open question — then the College is as vital as ever. It affirms that we vote as citizens of the several states, not mere residents of arbitrarily drawn administrative districts.

126 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:40:13pm

re: #108 Mich-again

The whole notion that God is pulling all the strings and whatever happens happened because God wanted it to happen sounds more like Satanism than Christianity.

Its an inevitable consequence of omnipotence and omniscience. If God knows everything that is ever going to happen, and he can do anything, then logically nothing can happen unless he intended it to. The only way something can happen which he didn't intend is if he isn't omnipotent and omniscient.

127 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:41:04pm
128 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:41:13pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Frankly I find that sleazier than not voting. Either be a citizen or don't whine.

129 dragonath  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:41:47pm

re: #126 aagcobb

Me, I'm just for happy serendipity...

130 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:42:25pm

Any griping about the electoral college and you'll be under suspicion for not being pro-10th Amendment enough.

131 Tigger2  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:43:20pm

re: #75 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

yah, but i have a feeling that even though, you will vote for these pukes who know soooo much about womenfolk.

I have already voted against Mourdock and was proud to do it.

132 3eff Jeff  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:43:23pm

re: #122 Talking Point Detective

Thanks! I'm definitely a poll junky. I'm sure those will keep me from getting any work done until the election.

133 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:43:28pm

re: #130 Mich-again

Any griping about the electoral college and you'll be under suspicion for not being pro-10th Amendment enough.

It would be awesome watching the wingnut meltdown if Romney pulled a Gore.

134 calochortus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:43:42pm

re: #130 Mich-again

Any griping about the electoral college and you'll be under suspicion for not being pro-10th Amendment enough.

Repeal the direct election of senators!

135 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:43:46pm

re: #120 ProGunLiberal

Yeah, that has got to be unpleasant. Unfortunately, China has the market cornered on cheap weapons, which is exactly what Bangladesh can afford.

True that. But at least more of the money stays in Bangladesh and provides jobs there. That's still a good thing.

136 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:44:12pm

re: #119 Varek Raith

That the bridge troll?

Yup. Total asshole.

138 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:44:49pm

God's will

the whole conundrum was invented because early theologians would not, repeat, not accept the idea that evil could have a power of its own independent of god's will

the idea that it could is known as "manichaeism", so, rather usefully, you can refer to a black vs white world view as "manichean"

139 danarchy  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:45:33pm

re: #118 aagcobb

Clinton became President with way less than 50% because of Ross Perot.

twice

140 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:45:51pm
141 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:46:20pm

re: #123 Mich-again

If Predestination was true, there wouldn't need to be a heaven or a hell. If we're just acting out some storyline God wrote in advance, whats the fucking point of religion at all.

Calvin actually had a very big problem with that issue and never worked it out to his satisfaction. I believe in Universalism instead. It'll take a while but we'll all get there.

142 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:46:41pm

But I see that's already being discussed here so nevermind.

143 nines09  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:46:56pm

re: #123 Mich-again

If Predestination was true, there wouldn't need to be a heaven or a hell. If we're just acting out some storyline God wrote in advance, whats the fucking point of religion at all.

Like Sinatra said, "Basically, I'm for anything that gets you through the night - be it prayer, tranquilizers or a bottle of Jack Daniels." Right now religion seems to be a pike to run people through.

144 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:47:31pm

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

True.

And least they aren't slashing the military to the bone, like the UK.

We are too far in one direction, they are too far in the other.

145 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:47:43pm

re: #123 Mich-again

If Predestination was true, there wouldn't need to be a heaven or a hell. If we're just acting out some storyline God wrote in advance, whats the fucking point of religion at all.

Imagine.

146 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:47:52pm

My favorite chart is the ones that Republicans show of the district by district voting in red and blue. It angers them immensely to see that about 95% of the acres of land are blue red, but those little red blue dots represent way more votes than the vast stretches of nothingness. They would like the electoral college to be based on the number of square miles, not the number of voters.

147 3eff Jeff  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:48:51pm

re: #143 nines09

Like Sinatra said, "Basically, I'm for anything that gets you through the night - be it prayer, tranquilizers or a bottle of Jack Daniels." Right now religion seems to be a pike to run people through.

Bayonet?

Alright, if I'm going to have bacon and pie for breakfast, I have to go bake the pie. Good night all.

148 Decatur Deb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:49:39pm

re: #146 Mich-again

My favorite chart is the ones that Republicans show of the district by district voting in red and blue. It angers them immensely to see that about 95% of the acres of land are blue, but those little red dots represent way more votes than the vast stretches of nothingness do. They would like the electoral college to be based on the number of square miles, not the number of voters.

Pencil. You reversed the colors.

149 nines09  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:49:43pm

re: #147 3eff Jeff

Bayonet?

Alright, if I'm going to have bacon and pie for breakfast, I have to go bake the pie. Good night all.

Ok. I'll bite. What kind of pie?

150 3eff Jeff  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:50:46pm

re: #149 nines09

Ok. I'll bite. What kind of pie?

Pumpkin. From a pumpkin, but I've already prepped the squash, so it's like making it from a can.

151 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:51:20pm

re: #148 Decatur Deb

Pencil. You reversed the colors.

thanks..

152 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:51:35pm

re: #123 Mich-again

If Predestination was true, there wouldn't need to be a heaven or a hell. If we're just acting out some storyline God wrote in advance, whats the fucking point of religion at all.

Most theists don't think through the logical conclusions of their beliefs. An omniscient and omnipotent God who decides to torture most of his creations for eternity while turning a few into his lapdogs makes no fucking sense at all.

153 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:51:46pm
154 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:52:02pm

re: #146 Mich-again

My favorite chart is the ones that Republicans show of the district by district voting in red and blue. It angers them immensely to see that about 95% of the acres of land are blue, but those little red dots represent way more votes than the vast stretches of nothingness do. They would like the electoral college to be based on the number of square miles, not the number of voters.

In the words of Willy Wonka, strike that, reverse it, I think you mean vast red stretches with little blue dots do you not?

155 nines09  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:52:46pm

re: #150 3eff Jeff

I was curious what pie would go with bacon. Pie sounds good. Eat well.

156 dragonath  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:53:34pm

I noticed McDonalds is selling Pumpkin pie.

Something seems kind of weird eating it out of the same mold and packaging as the Apple and Cherry pies.

157 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:54:14pm

re: #144 ProGunLiberal

True.

And least they aren't slashing the military to the bone, like the UK.

We are too far in one direction, they are too far in the other.

The UK has made one recent upgrade: They just established their first squadron of MQ-9 Reaper UAVs. And it's No. 13 Squadron, no less.

158 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:54:18pm
159 3eff Jeff  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:54:54pm

re: #155 nines09

I was curious what pie would go with bacon. Pie sounds good. Eat well.

Actually, I find most go really well with bacon. It's the sweet/salty contrast that makes it work.

160 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:56:11pm

re: #154 jamesfirecat

In the words of Willy Wonka, strike that, reverse it, I think you mean vast red stretches with little blue dots do you not?

Yeah I did for the original but not the re-quotes.. That would be a trick, like pulling an e-mail back.

161 nines09  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:56:40pm

re: #159 3eff Jeff

I'll have to try it. Doesn't seem like my cup of tea but who knows. Thanks.

162 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:56:46pm

re: #158 Interesting Times

[Embedded content]

THAT was Trump's "big bombshell"? Wet firecracker is more like it.

163 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:56:58pm

WHOA, closeup of Nixon/Romney last night

Image: kQBm4.jpg

164 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:58:05pm

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

THAT was Trump's "big bombshell"? Wet firecracker is more like it.

Eventually even Fox News will tire of 'The Donald's' crying wolf.

165 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:58:24pm

re: #162 Dark_Falcon

THAT was Trump's "big bombshell"? Wet firecracker is more like it.

Revealing that a sitting president once had marital problems and worked them out instead of taking the easy road of divorce.

My God, however will America survive such revelations?!

///

166 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:58:40pm

re: #163 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

WHOA, closeup of Nixon/Romney last night

Image: kQBm4.jpg

What would Roseanna Danna say about that?

167 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:58:48pm

i'm pretty sure that the reason the democrats ended up with blue and republicans with red was that way back in the 60s when this tradition started there was already a lot of accusations of democrats being communist sympathizers, so they didn't want to imply that by giving them the red color

168 dragonath  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:59:21pm

I didn't know Trump had intimate knowledge of anything, much less Obama's personal life.

169 nines09  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:59:29pm

re: #163 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

WHOA, closeup of Nixon/Romney last night

Image: kQBm4.jpg

Sweating like Michael Jackson at a Cub Scout sleepover.

170 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 7:59:58pm

re: #163 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

WHOA, closeup of Nixon/Romney last night

Image: kQBm4.jpg

Practically Nixon-esque.

171 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:00:08pm

So Trump's big revelation is that the Obama's had martial difficulties? What a sad man this guy is.

172 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:02:08pm

This map if I'm reading it correctly would be Obama 2008 minus North Carolina and Indiana. That's not a narrow edge. It's not as big win as last time but it's a comfortable win.

173 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:02:16pm

re: #165 Targetpractice

Revealing that a sitting president once had marital problems and worked them out instead of taking the easy road of divorce.

My God, however will America survive such revelations?!

///

Heck, even Kirk "Crocoduck" Cameron did a movie called Fireproof about a firefighter and his wife who are considering divorce but work through things with the aid of a Christian program. So the fact that divorce was "considered" won't even resonate with wingnuts. Talk about an EPIC FAIL.

174 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:02:26pm

re: #171 HappyWarrior

So Trump's big revelation is that the Obama's had martial difficulties? What a sad man this guy is.

An American Freak. And Romney was anointed by him.

175 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:03:02pm

re: #174 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

An American Freak. And Romney was anointed by him.

Mitt's friends suck.

176 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:03:50pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

This map if I'm reading it correctly would be Obama 2008 minus North Carolina and Indiana. That's not a narrow edge. It's not as big win as last time but it's a comfortable win.

I think the margins will be closer, Romney may very well win the electoral vote.

But whoever wins, you can be sure that they'll spend the next 4 years being accused of having no "mandate."

177 dragonath  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:03:59pm

re: #167 engineer cat

Fox News is festooned with more red than a bullfighter's cape.

So it all worked out in the end.

178 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:05:41pm

re: #167 engineer cat

i'm pretty sure that the reason the democrats ended up with blue and republicans with red was that way back in the 60s when this tradition started there was already a lot of accusations of democrats being communist sympathizers, so they didn't want to imply that by giving them the red color

Actually, the colors were originally the other way around, but were later reversed for just the reason you describe.

179 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:06:05pm

re: #176 Targetpractice

I think the margins will be closer, Romney may very well win the electoral vote.

But whoever wins, you can be sure that they'll spend the next 4 years being accused of having no "mandate."

I do too but spinning that as a narrow edge is silly. And I agree. All I can say to Romney and his Republican allies is this, don't be shocked or upset if Romney faces a tough as shit road when it comes to doing some of the stuff he wants especially that repeal of Obamacare that he seems so confident he'll get repealed on Day 1.

180 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:06:47pm

re: #177 dragonath

Fox News is festooned with more red than a bullfighter's cape.

So it all worked out in the end.

And great deal of what FNC serves up comes out the "other end" of the bull.

:D

181 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:07:24pm

I think they first used a color scheme in 1976. Blue state, red state, they're all states. Still find it amusing after reading that book about the 1912 election knowing that Eugene Debs did some of his best performances in states that are now bright red.

182 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:07:27pm

re: #68 SanFranciscoZionist

We've got a shitload of stuff on the ballot. The presidential election is easy. Other stuff is hard.

Romney will win Kentucky, but I have a tight congressional race to vote on to try to keep another teabagger out of Congress.

183 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:08:41pm

re: #182 aagcobb

Romney will win Kentucky, but I have a tight congressional race to vote on to try to keep another teabagger out of Congress.

I have a "macaca" jerk that I want to keep from returning to the Senate. Not a big Kaine fan as of late but to me he's better than Allen and it's laughable to hear Allen accuse Kaine of big spending when Allen was among the Bush White House's favorite senator. But hey born again deficit hawks.

184 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:08:43pm

re: #179 HappyWarrior

I do too but spinning that as a narrow edge is silly. And I agree. All I can say to Romney and his Republican allies is this, don't be shocked or upset if Romney faces a tough as shit road when it comes to doing some of the stuff he wants especially that repeal of Obamacare that he seems so confident he'll get repealed on Day 1.

I don't think anybody but the truly deluded at this point think there's a chance of overturning Obamacare outright. They're gonna settle for the route that the "Ryan Plan" already laid out, which is to use reconciliation to zero out the funding for Obamacare. They don't have to beat out a Democrat filibuster, something that looks much harder if the Dems keep or even increase their current majority. But they can sidestep the issue by making it a purely budgetary one.

185 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:09:25pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

I think they first used a color scheme in 1976. Blue state, red state, they're all states. Still find it amusing after reading that book about the 1912 election knowing that Eugene Debs did some of his best performances in states that are now bright red.

in those days the working man knew who his enemies were

186 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:10:00pm

re: #184 Targetpractice

I don't think anybody but the truly deluded at this point think there's a chance of overturning Obamacare outright. They're gonna settle for the route that the "Ryan Plan" already laid out, which is to use reconciliation to zero out the funding for Obamacare. They don't have to beat out a Democrat filibuster, something that looks much harder if the Dems keep or even increase their current majority. But they can sidestep the issue by making it a purely budgetary one.

True that. Either way. Whoever is president come January will face a difficult road.

187 alpuz  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:10:24pm

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

And yet you retweet that bullshit wholeheartedly. Kudos.

188 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:12:09pm

there is string cheese here for late nite snacks in the .com breakroom, but no integer cheese or boolean bagels

189 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:12:13pm

Navy ships! vs birth controlled!

puke

190 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:12:53pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

True that. Either way. Whoever is president come January will face a difficult road.

Obama will have the whip hand. With the Bush Tax cuts expiring, the GOP will be desperate to make a deal to appease their overlords.

191 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:12:58pm

I'm going to early vote tomorrow, and I have half a mind to just turn the selector knob to straight "D" all the way down, just to give the finger to the Republican Party at large.

"I hope you can see this, because I'm doing it as hard as I can!"

192 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:13:07pm

re: #186 HappyWarrior

True that. Either way. Whoever is president come January will face a difficult road.

Whoever wins on Election Day can expect that they're gonna be doing everything through side-channels as much as possible. Obama wins, he has to put up with a House that's gonna keep doing everything in its power to stymie him. Romney wins, he can expect that nothing will get through the Senate without being subject to a filibuster.

So yeah, the winner can pretty much expect to get nothing of any significance done for at least the next 2 years.

193 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:14:44pm

re: #188 engineer cat

there is string cheese here for late nite snacks in the .com breakroom, but no integer cheese or boolean bagels

"God is real unless explicitly declared integer."

(Fortran joke. Remember Fortran?)

194 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:14:57pm

re: #190 aagcobb

Obama will have the whip hand. With the Bush Tax cuts expiring, the GOP will be desperate to make a deal to appease their overlords.

Desperate, but not such that they won't be willing to take a hostage. There no doubt is something that the GOP will be willing to ransom for another extension of the 250K+ cuts.

195 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:15:04pm

re: #165 Targetpractice

Revealing that a sitting president once had marital problems and worked them out instead of taking the easy road of divorce.

And here I was thinking my divorce was an emotionally ruinous clusterfuck of animosity and resentment. Glad to learn I took the easy road.

196 jaunte  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:15:29pm

Drove through Pebble Beach today. Whoever wins, the 1% will not be too adversely affected.

197 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:15:39pm

re: #195 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

And here I was thinking my divorce was an emotionally ruinous clusterfuck of animosity and resentment. Glad to learn I took the easy road.

...yeah, I'll go sit over in the corner now.

198 calochortus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:15:48pm

re: #173 Dark_Falcon

Heck, even Kirk "Crocoduck" Cameron did a movie called Fireproof about a firefighter and his wife who are considering divorce but work through things with the aid of a Christian program. So the fact that divorce was "considered" won't even resonate with wingnuts. Talk about an EPIC FAIL.

It isn't resonating even slightly over at FR. Some comments even make the point it will make Obama look more human and likeable.
There is also someone who says this isn't Trump's big revelation. I guess we'll have to wait on pins and needles until tomorrow to find out.

199 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:16:57pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

Romney wins, he can expect that nothing will get through the Senate without being subject to a veto.

Explain this to me.

200 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:18:19pm

re: #199 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Explain this to me.

I think filibuster was meant there not veto. I tend to agree. The Senate Dems aren't going to let Romney repeal ACA or some of his more extreme social issues. Err Romney not Obama.

201 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:18:27pm

re: #194 Targetpractice

Desperate, but not such that they won't be willing to take a hostage. There no doubt is something that the GOP will be willing to ransom for another extension of the 250K+ cuts.

Of course. Obama should agree to extend the tax cuts in return for extending the payroll tax cuts, nixing the "fiscal cliff" across-the-board spending cuts, responsible long term debt reduction, and preventing another debt limit debacle. He is in position to play hardball, because he doesn't have to run for reelection again.

202 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:19:16pm

re: #199 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Explain this to me.

What's to explain. After the last 4 years, there's gonna be a lot of bruised egos on the Dem side of the aisle. And considering a triumphant GOP is not likely to be big on be magnanimous? There's going to be a lot of Romney's initiatives that are going to be the subject very graphic battles in the bowels of the Senate.

203 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:19:25pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

I think filibuster was meant there not veto. I tend to agree. The Senate Dems aren't going to let Obama repeal ACA or some of his more extreme social issues.

Are you assuming the Republicans take the Senate?

204 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:20:04pm

re: #202 Targetpractice

What's to explain. After the last 4 years, there's gonna be a lot of bruised egos on the Dem side of the aisle. And considering a triumphant GOP is not likely to be big on be magnanimous? There's going to be a lot of Romney's initiatives that are going to be the subject very graphic battles in the bowels of the Senate.

You used the word "veto".

205 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:20:18pm

re: #196 jaunte

Drove through Pebble Beach today. Whoever wins, the 1% will not be too adversely affected.

Ah Carmel. ya.

206 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:20:20pm

re: #201 aagcobb

Of course. Obama should agree to extend the tax cuts in return for extending the payroll tax cuts, nixing the "fiscal cliff" across-the-board spending cuts, responsible long term debt reduction, and preventing another debt limit debacle. He is in position to play hardball, because he doesn't have to run for reelection again.

re: #202 Targetpractice

What's to explain. After the last 4 years, there's gonna be a lot of bruised egos on the Dem side of the aisle. And considering a triumphant GOP is not likely to be big on be magnanimous? There's going to be a lot of Romney's initiatives that are going to be the subject very graphic battles in the bowels of the Senate.

Er, yeah, nevermind, my brain's not totally here tonight.

207 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:20:22pm

re: #203 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Are you assuming the Republicans take the Senate?

Nah I think the Dems hold on to it. I do think that even if they get a majority though, the Republicans won't hold enough votes for cloture though.

208 jaunte  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:21:03pm

re: #205 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

Point Lobos is very cool.

209 calochortus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:21:31pm

re: #208 jaunte

Point Lobos is very cool.

Poison oak capitol of the world!

210 alpuz  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:21:45pm

Awe.

211 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:21:59pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

Nah I think the Dems hold on to it. I do think that even if they get a majority though, the Republicans won't hold enough votes for cloture though.

The Dems don't filibuster vs. Romney unless they're in the minority.

212 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:22:16pm

re: #211 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

The Dems don't filibuster vs. Romney unless they're in the minority.

Brainfart, my bad.

213 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:22:17pm

re: #203 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Are you assuming the Republicans take the Senate?

The majority party can still filibuster if some of their members peal away. So if some blue dogs try to go along with repeal it can still be blocked.

However since the Dems will hold the Senate leadership for two more years an ACA repeal probably isn't going to come up, even under reconciliation.

214 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:23:10pm

re: #207 HappyWarrior

Nah I think the Dems hold on to it. I do think that even if they get a majority though, the Republicans won't hold enough votes for cloture though.

That last is certain. The GOP would have to "Shoot the moon" in terms of Senate elections to flip that many seats.

215 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:24:25pm

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

That last is certain. The GOP would have to "Shoot the moon" in terms of Senate elections to flip that many seats.

Right. They'd need an environment like 2008 was for the Dems and that's not happening to them this year.

216 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:24:34pm

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

The majority party can still filibuster if some of their members peal away. So if some blue dogs try to go along with repeal it can still be blocked.

However since the Dems will hold the Senate leadership for two more years an ACA repeal probably isn't going to come up, even under reconciliation.

But like I said, repeal isn't the goal under reconciliation, defunding is. It won't outright kill ACA, just make it politically onerous and drive up public support for its repeal.

217 dragonath  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:25:52pm

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

Are you in favor of a GOP majority? Turning the corner means having Senators Flake, Akin, and Mourdock, three of the biggest Looney Tunes in politics today.

218 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:26:03pm

re: #213 goddamnedfrank

The majority party can still filibuster if some of their members peal away. So if some blue dogs try to go along with repeal it can still be blocked.

However since the Dems will hold the Senate leadership for two more years an ACA repeal probably isn't going to come up, even under reconciliation.

romney would issue any executive orders he could think of to at least make it look like he was "repealing obamacare"

the whole phrase deserves quotes since most republicans have no idea of what "obamacare" really is and so "repealing" it is as easy as performing an ancient mystical spell to keep namibian wombats from invading and taking over indianapolis

219 erik_t  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:26:34pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

I've ducked out of jury duty a couple times over the past few years. I'm a self employed sole proprietor so it's no dice for me. I think they've stopped asking.

I got this far before I got disgusted and had to start aggressively downdinging.

I'm sorry, KT, but you're really a lolbertarian piece of shit. Move to fucking Somalia if you wish to so profoundly reject our system.

220 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:26:47pm
221 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:27:02pm

re: #216 Targetpractice

But like I said, repeal isn't the goal under reconciliation, defunding is. It won't outright kill ACA, just make it politically onerous and drive up public support for its repeal.

Doesn't matter. The President of the Senate determines what gets brought up for consideration, and Reid's probably written off even trying for reelection. He'll hold down the fort for two years.

222 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:28:27pm

re: #220 Interesting Times

[Embedded content]

Sheesh is there a Republican running for Senate who isn't a total dickhead when it comes to rape and abortion? Akin is, Smith in Pennsylvania is, and now this dick in Indiana. For a party who claims to be against "big government", they sure do seem to care a lot about what has been established as a legal right.

223 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:29:20pm

I'm getting a tad bit annoyed at lizards attacking lizards.

There's enough bullshit outside of LGF to satisfy everybody's angst.

224 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:29:25pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Sheesh is there a Republican running for Senate who isn't a total dickhead when it comes to rape and abortion?

You know how some blogs/websites put "trigger warnings" on certain content? This entire election needs one thanks to these sick and primitive GOP fucks.

225 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:30:35pm

re: #217 dragonath

Are you in favor of a GOP majority? Turning the corner means having Senators Flake, Akin, and Mourdock, three of the biggest Looney Tunes in politics today.

yes

226 danarchy  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:30:36pm

re: #200 HappyWarrior

I think filibuster was meant there not veto. I tend to agree. The Senate Dems aren't going to let Romney repeal ACA or some of his more extreme social issues. Err Romney not Obama.

This is one of the reasons it is important for the Dems to hold the senate. A filibuster can't stop budget reconciliation and through reconciliation they could starve the ACA of funds rendering it essentially DOA.

227 Big Joe  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:30:58pm

Congressional Republicans bit by negative ads as a result of Citizens United, assuming they survive re-election, plan on limiting it's effects.

While Democrats have long denounced a 2010 Supreme Court decision that opened the gates on unlimited spending on advertisements, some Republicans are now growing more disenchanted with the system that has allowed the barrage of ads, often by shadowy groups, and the effects it has had on what they see as a sullen and disenchanted electorate.

“Once we get back, those that do get re-elected will all be commiserating about all the negative ads,” said Representative Joe Heck of Nevada, a Republican who faced ads accusing him of voting against a rape crisis center and against money to help victims of domestic violence, among other things. “And that will start the groundswell for reform.”

Ah, those unintended consequences.

228 jaunte  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:31:12pm

re: #223 10,000 years of darkness

I'm getting a tad bit annoyed at lizards attacking lizards.

There's enough bullshit outside of LGF to satisfy everybody's angst.

All these new names, I'm so confused.

229 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:32:06pm

re: #227 Big Joe

Congressional Republicans bit by negative ads as a result of Citizens United, assuming they survive re-election, plan on limiting it's effects.

Ah, those unintended consequences.

Yeah Citizens United was a great decision when they were challenging Democrats for office. Now it needs to be limited because a bunch of thin skinned Republicans can't take criticism.

230 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:32:10pm

re: #201 aagcobb

Of course. Obama should agree to extend the tax cuts in return for extending the payroll tax cuts, nixing the "fiscal cliff" across-the-board spending cuts, responsible long term debt reduction, and preventing another debt limit debacle. He is in position to play hardball, because he doesn't have to run for reelection again.

That sounds like a republican dream. What am I missing?

231 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:33:19pm

I'm getting a tad bit annoyed at lizards attacking lizards.

There's enough bullshit outside of LGF to satisfy everybody's angst.

232 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:33:34pm

re: #227 Big Joe

Congressional Republicans bit by negative ads as a result of Citizens United, assuming they survive re-election, plan on limiting it's effects.

Ah, those unintended consequences.

It was great when they thought it was gonna mean an unending flow of cash that was gonna allow them to steamroll the competition. They forgot that the decision meant that groups sympathetic to Democrats could do the same thing.

233 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:33:49pm

re: #228 jaunte

All these new names, I'm so confused.

Is the repost better?

234 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:34:04pm

re: #227 Big Joe

Congressional Republicans bit by negative ads as a result of Citizens United, assuming they survive re-election, plan on limiting it's effects.

Ah, those unintended consequences.

might get some from the vote suppression effort as well

at least mr karma would want it that way

235 Big Joe  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:34:19pm

re: #232 Targetpractice

or Tea Party challengers that think the incumbent is a RINO.

236 jaunte  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:34:49pm

re: #233 b_sharp

Was that an Obama mask or a Romney mask?

237 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:35:16pm

re: #228 jaunte

That's why I have had exactly one name change. Aside from the silly one I had for the first few hours after the feature was announced.

Tomorrow, whoever the computer parts wonks are on here, I would love to have your aid. I have a list of computer parts so I can build a new desktop, but it is months old, and may need updating. I need to build something that can be a gaming/ARCGIS build, and will be able to last for a while, barring random parts purchases here and there.

238 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:35:55pm

re: #236 jaunte

Was that an Obama mask or a Romney mask?

That was a low on anti-depressants mask.

239 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:36:26pm

re: #231 b_sharp

I'm getting a tad bit annoyed at lizards attacking lizards.

There's enough bullshit outside of LGF to satisfy everybody's angst.

so when theres an asshole in your midst.....you.....?

240 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:36:30pm

FB has become the anti-social network. ha

241 jaunte  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:36:44pm

re: #238 b_sharp

Sorry; take good care of yourself.

242 dragonath  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:36:47pm

Richard Lugar is sipping a martini somewhere.

243 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:37:54pm

re: #230 Joanne

That sounds like a republican dream. What am I missing?

Its rational, and they have to make a deal with Obama to get it, and the Bush tax cut extensions will be temporary. In the short term, it will help stave off a recession. It should be a win-win for everyone.

244 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:38:30pm

re: #222 HappyWarrior

Sheesh is there a Republican running for Senate who isn't a total dickhead when it comes to rape and abortion? Akin is, Smith in Pennsylvania is, and now this dick in Indiana. For a party who claims to be against "big government", they sure do seem to care a lot about what has been established as a legal right.

They want sole legal and physical rights over what goes into and what comes out of a woman's vagina. The poor dears, they can't help it... It's a genetic problem of tiny-dicked men everywhere.

245 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:38:36pm

Let's get down to brass tacks. What do you think S&P and the other credit agencies are going to think of a Romney Presidency? They specifically cited Republican refusal to let the Bush tax cuts expire as the primary reason for the last downgrade. They want to see revenue increase, so it's should be fairly obvious that they're going to take an incredibly dim view on increased defense spending and a slashing of tax rates on top of that.

That means the interest on our debt payments will spike, which will cause Romney to put all of Social Security and Medicare on the chopping block.

246 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:39:38pm

re: #243 aagcobb

I am not seeing the win-win there.

247 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:40:02pm

re: #243 aagcobb

Its rational, and they have to make a deal with Obama to get it, and the Bush tax cut extensions will be temporary. In the short term, it will help stave off a recession. It should be a win-win for everyone.

But it also assumes that Boehner or whoever replaces him (I predict a coup in his future) can get the TPers in the House in line long enough to agree to it. As we saw last year, too many of them are willing to go screaming over that cliff to teach America "a lesson." Some people really do just wanna see the world burn.

248 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:40:16pm

re: #244 Pawn of the Oppressor

They want sole legal and physical rights over what goes into and what comes out of a woman's vagina. The poor dears, they can't help it... It's a genetic problem of tiny-dicked men everywhere.

I just hope there's a backlash to this kind of shit but unfortunately it seems that Republican primary voters continue to insist on nominating nutjobs like this for high office. And I hate to sound like a cynic but I see no sign of the Republicans moderating on social issues anytime soon.

249 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:40:27pm

re: #246 Joanne

I am not seeing the win-win there.

Tell me what your problem with it is. Avoiding a recession is a good thing, I think.

250 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:41:19pm

Here's another question. Take the proposal to lock in Medicare benefits for people 55 and older, how does that not violate the equal protection clause of the Constitution? I mean, basically what they're proposing is to create two arbitrary classes of citizens at the date the legislation passes, allow one to maintain the benefits of a system that's been in effect for decades, and tell the others, who've paid into that system that they're now at the mercy of the free market.

251 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:41:20pm

re: #247 Targetpractice

But it also assumes that Boehner or whoever replaces him (I predict a coup in his future) can get the TPers in the House in line long enough to agree to it. As we saw last year, too many of them are willing to go screaming over that cliff to teach America "a lesson." Some people really do just wanna see the world burn.

No, that's a show for the rubes. They answer to the 1%, who won't want their marginal tax rates to go up. That's why they will deal.

252 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:41:33pm

re: #248 HappyWarrior

Demographics are against them. The Democrats job right now is to hold the line and prevent anymore damage, until such time as the tables have turned.

253 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:41:40pm
254 Joanne  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:41:58pm

re: #245 goddamnedfrank

Which is what the GOP wants more than abortion legislation. Killing SocSec and Medicare are there primary goals. They'll spend us into the "hard choice" to kill both programs.

255 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:42:06pm

re: #239 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

so when theres an asshole in your midst.....you.....?

Tell them they're being an asshole.

Seems to me, some here are trying to drive others out. That's more than just expressing frustration or even anger.

256 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:42:20pm

re: #231 b_sharp

I'm getting a tad bit annoyed at lizards attacking lizards.

There's enough bullshit outside of LGF to satisfy everybody's angst.

Thanks, I hope.

257 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:42:40pm

re: #248 HappyWarrior

I just hope there's a backlash to this kind of shit but unfortunately it seems that Republican primary voters continue to insist on nominating nutjobs like this for high office. And I hate to sound like a cynic but I see no sign of the Republicans moderating on social issues anytime soon.

Its a downward spiral. As the Base gets crazier, it scares more centrists out of the GOP, and leaves an even crazier base.

258 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:42:43pm

re: #252 ProGunLiberal

Demographics are against them. The Democrats job right now is to hold the line and prevent anymore damage, until such time as the tables have turned.

Just gotta hope that the new generation of conservatives aren't batshit so-cons or Paulian idiots on economics.

259 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:42:47pm

re: #254 Joanne

Which is what the GOP wants more than abortion legislation. Killing SocSec and Medicare are there primary goals. They'll spend us into the "hard choice" to kill both programs.

It's called "Starve The Beast," an idea that's been 30+ years in the making.

260 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:42:55pm

I'm greedy. I want NC too, but other then that the map looks about right. The truth is OH should be taken out of the toss-up category and so should Nevada. Romney has never, ever had a lead in either of those states. Not even after his "surge" after the first debate. But the MSM would never do that because of the need for a horse race to the very end.

I am truly still hopeful for getting NC due to black voter turnout being way hire then expected in early voting so far. Already surpassing 2008 and younf voters are up a little bit too.

261 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:42:59pm

re: #241 jaunte

Sorry; take good care of yourself.

Not a big problem right now. I just tend to go back to my natural state - pissed off.

262 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:43:35pm

Lizz Winstead

TO BE CLEAR: Two people of the same sex who love each other are an abomination but God intended rape to happen

also children can watch people get violently killed on teevee all the time but one naked tittie will scar them for life

263 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:43:38pm

re: #251 aagcobb

No, that's a show for the rubes. They answer to the 1%, who won't want their marginal tax rates to go up. That's why they will deal.

I like the optimism, but I'm too convinced that plenty of the TPers truly would throw the country into a tailspin if they think it will sell to the nuts who put them in office.

264 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:43:40pm

re: #257 aagcobb

Its a downward spiral. As the Base gets crazier, it scares more centrists out of the GOP, and leaves an even crazier base.

Yep, and one party can't and I should add shouldn't stay in power for too long but the Republican Party in its current incarnation isn't a party I want controlling the presidency, Congress, and having its ideology with the edge on the USSC.

265 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:44:14pm

re: #261 b_sharp

Not a big problem right now. I just tend to go back to my natural state - pissed off.

kill two wombats and call me in the morning

266 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:44:39pm

re: #258 HappyWarrior

I'm hoping that, come 2020 to 2024, the Demographics will have shifted in a way to give us New-Deal Era-esque majorities.

267 jaunte  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:44:48pm

re: #261 b_sharp

That's good. I understand that yelling at a chair is the Carmel celebrity technique for feeling better.

268 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:45:14pm

re: #265 engineer cat

kill two wombats and call me in the morning

Will gophers work? I might have trouble finding wombats up here.

269 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:46:08pm

re: #266 ProGunLiberal

I'm hoping that, come 2020 to 2024, the Demographics will have shifted in a way to give us New-Deal Era-esque majorities.

Well remember the Democratic majority during the New Deal was a fragmented majority. My honest hope is that the Republicans evolve. I don't think they will die out.

270 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:46:47pm

re: #263 Targetpractice

I like the optimism, but I'm too convinced that plenty of the TPers truly would throw the country into a tailspin if they think it will sell to the nuts who put them in office.

Their elders will sit them down and explain the facts of life to them. As in, you get no fuckin money for your reelection campaign if you don't toe the line.

271 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:47:23pm

re: #260 moderatelyradicalliberal

I'm greedy. I want NC too, but other then that the map looks about right. The truth is OH should be taken out of the toss-up category and so should Nevada. Romney has never, ever had a lead in either of those states. Not even after his "surge" after the first debate. But the MSM would never do that because of the need for a horse race to the very end.

I am truly still hopeful for getting NC due to black voter turnout being way hire then expected in early voting so far. Already surpassing 2008 and younf voters are up a little bit too.

I've done some tinkering. Seems to me that Ohio is the key to the whole thing. And I think Obama will win there. Less optimistic about NC though. Not sure what will happen here in Va. I think Obama can win here but I don't know. Definitely less optimistic about it than I was last month.

272 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:47:47pm

re: #269 HappyWarrior

Well remember the Democratic majority during the New Deal was a fragmented majority. My honest hope is that the Republicans evolve. I don't think they will die out.

They won't disappear in our lifetimes, but they'll continue to shrink until they're just an angry, very white little group that we all laugh at.

Like the Libertarians.

273 alpuz  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:48:33pm

re: #255 b_sharp

If that was directed at me, I'd like to respond. I've never been a fan of bulllshit.

Dark called out Fox News as being bullshit, all the while tweeting in support of said 'fox news' bullshit. That's a character issue for me. Not a big fan of being played for a sucker.

274 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:48:45pm

re: #270 aagcobb

Their elders will sit them down and explain the facts of life to them. As in, you get no fuckin money for your reelection campaign if you don't toe the line.

Too many of them think they're gonna "reform" the party from the inside and that bucking the leadership is part of doing so. And if Boehner gets the heave-ho, as I believe he will, I expect his replacement will be a fellow sycophant will be willing to ride this baby, whooping and hollering, all the way into the ground.

275 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:49:11pm

re: #269 HappyWarrior

Well remember the Democratic majority during the New Deal was a fragmented majority. My honest hope is that the Republicans evolve. I don't think they will die out.

They won't die out. They are the southern white man's party that the Democrats were for decades after the Civil War, while the old GOP was the governing party of the Republic. Eventually they will evolve, as the Democrats did when FDR created the New Deal coalition.

276 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:49:25pm

re: #272 JamesWI

They won't disappear in our lifetimes, but they'll continue to shrink until they're just an angry, very white little group that we all laugh at.

Like the Libertarians.

Yeah, I do agree with PLL that the demographics favor the Democrats over them and I have seen no real effort by the Republican Party to attempt to counter-act that. In fact, I think they ran away from being a more viable party in the future the second they decided to get know-nothing on immigration and go all out homophobic on gay rights.

277 jaunte  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:49:45pm

re: #274 Targetpractice

Upding for Major Kong reference.

278 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:49:54pm

re: #269 HappyWarrior

The difference between now and then-most of the blue dogs are gone. So, once we have a strategy to hold both senate seats in 30 states, we should be able to do the needed reforms. Of course, we should also pay attention trying to ridding gerrymandering, and this can help us poach Blue Districts in Red States.

279 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:50:09pm

40 years ago, my 1972 Detroit Tigers played a memorable AL Championship Series against the Oakland A's, losing in 5 games. Led by Reggie Jackson, Sal Bando, Joe Rudy, Gene Tennace, etc the A's went on to win their first of 3 consecutive World Series. I was 8, that was the first year I caught the baseball bug.

Tomorrow night the Tigers open up the World Series against San Francisco. There are going to be some spectacular baseball games the next couple weeks featuring two great pitching staffs bearing trophies, the triple crown winner and his cleanup man, a lot of clutch hitters, speed, seasoned coaches, great fans,,

Man I am so pumped. No predictions though.

280 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:50:18pm

re: #255 b_sharp

Tell them they're being an asshole.

Seems to me, some here are trying to drive others out. That's more than just expressing frustration or even anger.

the truth is they aren't leaving. they will be poisoning the well till they go too far to the blog runner. driving them out? ha

281 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:50:41pm

re: #248 HappyWarrior

I just hope there's a backlash to this kind of shit but unfortunately it seems that Republican primary voters continue to insist on nominating nutjobs like this for high office. And I hate to sound like a cynic but I see no sign of the Republicans moderating on social issues anytime soon.

They can't because they are too afraid of losing more voters then gaining. When a party loses it's coalition, like the Democrats began to do after LBJ signed the CRA in 1964, they go through a period in the wilderness. LBJ thought he was losing the South for a generation and it's been two going on three. The Demographics have favored Democrats long term, but the price has been a Conservatives being ascendant for 30 years. Democrats traded in white Southerners for black voters. It was the right thing to do but they paid a severe price electorally. I doubt even pro-gay rights Republicans want to lose Evangelical Christians for LGBT voters and they can't have both.

282 calochortus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:50:58pm

re: #250 goddamnedfrank

Here's another question. Take the proposal to lock in Medicare benefits for people 55 and older, how does that not violate the equal protection clause of the Constitution? I mean, basically what they're proposing is to create two arbitrary classes of citizens at the date the legislation passes, allow one to maintain the benefits of a system that's been in effect for decades, and tell the others, who've paid into that system that they're now at the mercy of the free market.

I don't think it would be unconstitutional-groups of people are treated differently all the time when there is a valid reason to do so. Full SS benefits start at 65 if you were born before 1938, then the age increases gradually to 67. There were the 'notch babies' born around 1920 who got less of a payout than those born a bit earlier or later. The under 55's will get some sort of "equivalent" deal to SS. If it doesn't work out, oh well...

283 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:51:49pm

re: #275 aagcobb

They won't die out. They are the southern white man's party that the Democrats were for decades after the Civil War, while the old GOP was the governing party of the Republic. Eventually they will evolve, as the Democrats did when FDR created the New Deal coalition.

Yeah you're right. Took the Democrats I think a long time to evolve post civil war. I'd say they truly turned the corner away from being the party of the CSA to the party they are today in 1928. Maybe earlier if you count Wilson's run in 1912 or Jennings Bryan.

284 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:52:24pm

If Romney wins the Tea Party will all but disappear. Those people don't give a shit about debt during white presidencies.

"The President is ah, uh, a socialist!"

What's a socialist.

"I'm not sure, but I know they like fried chicken."

-Bobcat Goldthwait

285 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:52:29pm

[Link: election.princeton.edu...]

286 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:53:36pm

re: #273 alpuz

If that was directed at me, I'd like to respond. I've never been a fan of bulllshit.

Dark called out Fox News as being bullshit, all the while tweeting in support of said 'fox news' bullshit. That's a character issue for me. Not a big fan of being played for a sucker.

I just checked my Twitter feed back through the last few days of September. I retweeted a bunch of things sent by NRO staff last night, but as far as I could see I haven't tweeted or retweeted anything by FNC all month.

287 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:53:49pm

re: #275 aagcobb

They won't die out. They are the southern white man's party that the Democrats were for decades after the Civil War, while the old GOP was the governing party of the Republic. Eventually they will evolve, as the Democrats did when FDR created the New Deal coalition.

i will predict, yet again one more time, that they will split in two

i think the election of romney would eventually cause the teabaggers to divorce the corporatists

288 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:54:18pm

re: #278 ProGunLiberal

The difference between now and then-most of the blue dogs are gone. So, once we have a strategy to hold both senate seats in 30 states, we should be able to do the needed reforms. Of course, we should also pay attention trying to ridding gerrymandering, and this can help us poach Blue Districts in Red States.

The Blue Dogs who fought so hard to weaken and take all the best parts out of the ACA bill still got their asses handed to them in 2010 midterms. More than half of them got voted out, lot of good trying to pander to the republican voters did them...

289 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:54:26pm

Who else is addicted to Nate Silver's Blog? I keep checking to see if he's updated the election odds yet, as though it really matters if it goes up or down a point.

290 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:54:45pm

Here is a fix. End the tax deduction for businesses to advertise on political talk radio shows. Rush and the other political advocates like him don't deserve to be able to offer potential donors to their political cause a tax deduction compliments of the American taxpayers.

291 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:55:00pm

re: #284 goddamnedfrank

If Romney wins the Tea Party will all but disappear. Those people don't give a shit about debt during white Presidencies.

You're right about that. Sure, I think a few true believers will remain but most of them will fall in line if one of their own is elected even though the TP has never liked Romney much.

292 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:55:08pm

re: #287 engineer cat

At that point, I am hoping the Democrats will be able to drive through the middle, giving us pickups in much of the US.

293 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:55:08pm

re: #278 ProGunLiberal

The difference between now and then-most of the blue dogs are gone. So, once we have a strategy to hold both senate seats in 30 states, we should be able to do the needed reforms. Of course, we should also pay attention trying to ridding gerrymandering, and this can help us poach Blue Districts in Red States.

Get rid of gerrymandering and Illinois will get redder. But the added competition will make it more honest as well.

294 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:55:19pm

Congratulations Indiana for replacing a relatively moderate Senator, Dick Lugar, and replacing him with a far-right religious zealot, Richard Mourdock.

295 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:56:06pm

re: #271 HappyWarrior

I've done some tinkering. Seems to me that Ohio is the key to the whole thing. And I think Obama will win there. Less optimistic about NC though. Not sure what will happen here in Va. I think Obama can win here but I don't know. Definitely less optimistic about it than I was last month.

Well, NC and IN were a surprise last time. VA wasn't. I could live without any of them and so could Obama. I just would hate to see the whole South going red again. VA and FL would be great and I think the Obama campaign's and the Romney campaign's internal numbers look damn good for Obama. Charlie Cook, pollster extraordinaire, has confirmed this already. I'm just being greedy and want NC too and early voting looks good.

296 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:56:13pm

re: #294 Gus

Congratulations Indiana for replacing a relatively moderate Senator, Dick Lugar, and replacing him with a far-right religious zealot, Richard Mourdock.

Doesn't Donnelly have a fighting chance? But honestly even if Donnelly wins, it still sucks to have lost Lugar. The Republicans need more guys like that in the Senate not less.

297 calochortus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:56:17pm

re: #289 aagcobb

Who else is addicted to Nate Silver's Blog? I keep checking to see if he's updated the election odds yet, as though it really matters if it goes up or down a point.

I really try to avoid being obsessive about it. I try...

298 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:56:28pm

re: #287 engineer cat

i will predict, yet again one more time, that they will split in two

i think the election of romney would eventually cause the teabaggers to divorce the corporatists

Nah, the teabaggers are corporate puppets. The Kochs own the GOP, lock, stock and barrel.

299 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:57:07pm

re: #293 Dark_Falcon

However, Illinois is the exception. Look at what has happened to Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, among many others. We lose a few in Illinois, but pick more elsewhere.

300 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:57:47pm

re: #289 aagcobb

Who else is addicted to Nate Silver's Blog? I keep checking to see if he's updated the election odds yet, as though it really matters if it goes up or down a point.

I'm not addicted. I can stop checking it every 3 hours if I want!

//

301 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:58:31pm

re: #294 Gus

Congratulations Indiana for replacing a relatively moderate Senator, Dick Lugar, and replacing him with a far-right religious zealot, Richard Mourdock.

They haven't yet. Here's hoping Mourdock's comments cost him the election.

302 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:58:31pm

Yeah Silver's blog is great. He's very informative. And I respect that even though he's pro Obama, he does try to be fair which is hard to do in that business.

303 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:58:33pm

re: #299 ProGunLiberal

However, Illinois is the exception. Look at what has happened to Ohio, Pennsylvania, Texas, among many others. We lose a few in Illinois, but pick more elsewhere.

All politics is local, PLL. I'd trade a few GOP congress people for a more open and less corrupt Illinois.

304 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:59:04pm
305 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:59:23pm

The message and agenda on politically driven talk radio is indistinguishable from PAC sponsored advertising during the commercials.

306 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:59:27pm

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

I just checked my Twitter feed back through the last few days of September. I retweeted a bunch of things sent by NRO staff last night, but as far as I could see I haven't tweeted or retweeted anything by FNC all month.

Today you retweeted this guy's wingnutty bullshit. Who cares that he doesn't work for NRO or FNC, he's a pile of trash spreading the racist Obama phones meme.

307 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 8:59:49pm

re: #287 engineer cat

i will predict, yet again one more time, that they will split in two

i think the election of romney would eventually cause the teabaggers to divorce the corporatists

The teabaggers are corporatists. They claimed to be angry about the Wall Street bailout, but never protested on Wall Street. Go figure.

308 alpuz  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:00:13pm

re: #286 Dark_Falcon

Get rid of gerrymandering and Wisconsin will get bluer. But the added competition will make it more honest as well.

309 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:00:41pm

re: #302 HappyWarrior

Yeah Silver's blog is great. He's very informative. And I respect that even though he's pro Obama, he does try to be fair which is hard to do in that business.

What I like about Silver is that he doesn't bullshit about the odds. He can pretty up front after the disaster of the first debate that unless the Obama campaign could stall the decline, his ass was in a sling. And when he lays out his prediction, he tries to make it concise and yet easy to understand for the layman.

310 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:01:04pm

re: #306 goddamnedfrank

Today you retweeted this guy's wingnutty bullshit. Who cares that he doesn't work for NRO or FNC, he's a pile of trash spreading the racist Obama phones meme.

[Embedded content]

Vote GOP if you want more war planning and less family planning.

311 aagcobb  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:01:08pm

re: #278 ProGunLiberal

The difference between now and then-most of the blue dogs are gone. So, once we have a strategy to hold both senate seats in 30 states, we should be able to do the needed reforms. Of course, we should also pay attention trying to ridding gerrymandering, and this can help us poach Blue Districts in Red States.

I would like to see independent panels drawing districts to try to create as many swing districts as possible, and open primaries.

312 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:01:14pm

re: #262 engineer cat

Lizz Winstead

TO BE CLEAR: Two people of the same sex who love each other are an abomination but God intended rape to happen

also children can watch people get violently killed on teevee all the time but one naked tittie will scar them for life

Naked *female* tittie. Male ones apparently have no special powers.

313 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:01:15pm

I am just hoping my state doesn't do something stupid next year and elect Ken Cuccinneli to the governor's mansion. Granted under our weird laws, it would only be one term but that guy drives me insane. He investigates climate change scientists but he seems content to completely ignore what happened in Harrisonburg with the GOP worker trashing voter registration forms. What sucks is I don't know of any credible Democrat that will run against him. Terry McAuliffe is a real possibility but I'll be honest, I don't like him. He's made a better effort to get to know our state but he still comes across as someone who just wants to use this state for his own ambitions. Better that than a nutcase though.

314 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:01:53pm

re: #273 alpuz

If that was directed at me, I'd like to respond. I've never been a fan of bulllshit.

Dark called out Fox News as being bullshit, all the while tweeting in support of said 'fox news' bullshit. That's a character issue for me. Not a big fan of being played for a sucker.

It was directed at several people.
Dark has issues, that's a given, but in my view he's being being vilified through association. I find it interesting that people nominally on the left seem to have trouble accepting that Dark, and other conservatives on here can support candidates based on issues they consider most important even though they don't support them on, to them, less important issues.

Dark has said more than once he doesn't support the attack on women, or the idea abortion should be banned outright. He's also said many times, some GOP candidates are shitheads (my words) but others aren't as bad as what progressives are claiming.

I'm not suggesting anybody's views are above being questioned, you, I and everybody else have the right to attack stupid ideas. We may even have the responsibility to question certain ideas and expect answers to questions about those ideas. However, our actions are not above reproach either, and when we act like stalkers, or schoolyard bullies we should be called out on it.

315 efuseakay  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:02:10pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Call Richard Mourdock a fanatic if you will, but at least he was forthright with that statement. Even calling that statement utterly wrong, at least he explained himself directly, instead of hiding behind a lie like Todd Akin. Todd Akin isn't even a good wingnut.

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Oregon's not in play this year, I may stay home again for the second election in a row. I'm kind of warming up to the not voting thing.

Please stay home. You forfeit your right to bitch when things don't go your way. Adios muchacho.

316 calochortus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:02:38pm

re: #312 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Naked *female* tittie. Male ones apparently have no special powers.

Magic nipples! Women certainly have a lot of magical, mystical body parts.

317 Lidane  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:02:43pm

Hola Lizards!

Today has been a good day. Went and voted this morning, so the election is now officially over for me. After that, went to my first day at work. Most of it was spent with busy work -- getting the e-mail and company intranet accounts set up, learning my way around Lotus Notes, getting a key to the office, getting my parking permit, etc. -- but overall it was good. I'm starting to meet my co-workers online via LinkedIn and next week I'll meet a few of them in person since they're flying me out to California for another week of training.

The building I'm in is cool. It was clearly built during the Art Deco craze because it's got that vibe. It feels like you're walking into a film noir detective's office when you walk down the halls. Tiled floors, frosted glass doors, etc. It's neat.

Also, I may have found a place to move to today. I've got one more person to talk to tomorrow and then I will decide immediately and get myself moved in. All in all a good day. :D

318 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:02:43pm

re: #298 aagcobb

Nah, the teabaggers are corporate puppets. The Kochs own the GOP, lock, stock and barrel.

re: #307 moderatelyradicalliberal

The teabaggers are corporatists. They claimed to be angry about the Wall Street bailout, but never protested on Wall Street. Go figure.

there was a perceptible amount of teabag anger at the end of the bush administration when some of them realized that they party elites were treating them like dirty little people who they didn't have to keep their promises to

319 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:02:56pm

re: #280 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

the truth is they aren't leaving. they will be poisoning the well till they go too far to the blog runner. driving them out? ha

Stanley Sea, do you respect me?

320 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:03:04pm

The next GOP President will be the candidate brave enough to distance himself from the Tea Party before Iowa.

321 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:03:09pm

re: #312 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Naked *female* tittie. Male ones apparently have no special powers.

strange, that

322 Lidane  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:03:36pm

re: #303 Dark_Falcon

All politics is local, PLL. I'd trade a few GOP congress people for a more open and less corrupt Illinois.

And I'd trade my non-existent first born child for a more open, less corrupt, and less ignorant Texas GOP, but that won't happen.

323 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:03:41pm

re: #248 HappyWarrior

I just hope there's a backlash to this kind of shit but unfortunately it seems that Republican primary voters continue to insist on nominating nutjobs like this for high office. And I hate to sound like a cynic but I see no sign of the Republicans moderating on social issues anytime soon.

That's exactly it. I didn't become a "Democrat", the Republicans left my reservation. I remember William F. Buckley saying he had worked his whole life to de-link the right from the crazies - indicating to me that nuttiness has always been a problem on that side of the aisle - and broadly speaking, I think they went running right back to full-blown craziness because a black guy got the Presidency. I have a hard time believing that the GOP would have become so reactionary if they were running against the administration of a standard-issue pudgy white guy.

It's not just one thing with me though. Race and Religion are factors, but I just can't stomach the lies, the jingoism, anti-science nonsense, climate change denial, the reactionary mindset, the "all or nothing" attitude that treats different viewpoints as a product of some kind of cosmic evil, the war-mongering, the laughing, smug contempt for the idea of helping people, the tiny-world cognitive dissonance, and just the flat-out narrow-minded bigotry in almost every area of life... I've come to realize that almost all of the bad stuff Democrats used to say about Republicans is kinda true, on the whole.

I grew up in a conservative, R-voting environment, and that's all gone now, because I've grown up and changed thoroughly. I've seen both sides of the fence and I'm done playing tribal games. I'm voting for the people who seem to at least live on the same planet I do, for better or worse. America needs to look in the mirror and face up to its responsibilities in a mature, considerate way, and that way just isn't part of the GOP anymore.

324 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:04:02pm

re: #317 Lidane

Hola Lizards!

Today has been a good day. Went and voted this morning, so the election is now officially over for me. After that, went to my first day at work. Most of it was spent with busy work -- getting the e-mail and company intranet accounts set up, learning my way around Lotus Notes, getting a key to the office, getting my parking permit, etc. -- but overall it was good. I'm starting to meet my co-workers online via LinkedIn and next week I'll meet a few of them in person since they're flying me out to California for another week of training.

The building I'm in is cool. It was clearly built during the Art Deco craze because it's got that vibe. It feels like you're walking into a film noir detective's office when you walk down the halls. Tiled floors, frosted glass doors, etc. It's neat.

Also, I may have found a place to move to today. I've got one more person to talk to tomorrow and then I will decide immediately and get myself moved in. All in all a good day. :D

Stop it, you're gonna start making me feel jealous!

///

Congrats on the new job.

325 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:04:37pm

re: #315 efuseakay

Was that last directed at me, or just at Killgore?

326 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:04:43pm

re: #317 Lidane

Lotus Notes,

ugh. my condolences for that.. but congrats for the rest.

327 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:05:01pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Oregon's not in play this year, I may stay home again for the second election in a row. I'm kind of warming up to the not voting thing.

I take great comfort in knowing you are a non-voter. Leave it to people who actually give a shit and enjoy civic participation.

328 Lidane  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:06:13pm

re: #326 Mich-again

ugh. my condolences for that..

Heh. I didn't even know Lotus was still around. I just started with it, so I haven't gotten to the open hatred of it yet.

329 jaunte  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:06:27pm

Jury duty can be quite entertaining.

330 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:06:34pm

I'm really not looking forward to another LGF civil war right now. I've had enough drama on other boards to put up with it here. If things truly turn ugly, I'm taking another holiday.

331 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:07:38pm

re: #327 moderatelyradicalliberal

I take great comfort in knowing you are a non-voter. Leave it to people who actually give a shit and enjoy civic participation.

I love how he likes to pretend that he is this great and noble man, rising above all the bullshit and only dealing in facts. The great moral arbiter of LGF.

But vote? Fuck that

But we all know he will vote. And it won't be for Obama, that's for sure.

332 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:08:24pm

re: #330 Targetpractice

I'm really not looking forward to another LGF civil war right now. I've had enough drama on other boards to put up with it here. If things truly turn ugly, I'm taking another holiday.

I'm not looking forward to one either, nor am I trying to start one.

At one time we were careful to attack ideas, not people. It seems we've decided that wasn't enough.

333 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:08:25pm

re: #323 Pawn of the Oppressor

That's exactly it. I didn't become a "Democrat", the Republicans left my reservation. I remember William F. Buckley saying he had worked his whole life to de-link the right from the crazies - indicating to me that nuttiness has always been a problem on that side of the aisle - and broadly speaking, I think they went running right back to full-blown craziness because a black guy got the Presidency. I have a hard time believing that the GOP would have become so reactionary if they were running against the administration of a standard-issue pudgy white guy.

It's not just one thing with me though. Race and Religion are factors, but I just can't stomach the lies, the jingoism, anti-science nonsense, climate change denial, the reactionary mindset, the "all or nothing" attitude that treats different viewpoints as a product of some kind of cosmic evil, the war-mongering, the laughing, smug contempt for the idea of helping people, the tiny-world cognitive dissonance, and just the flat-out narrow-minded bigotry in almost every area of life... I've come to realize that almost all of the bad stuff Democrats used to say about Republicans is kinda true, on the whole.

I grew up in a conservative, R-voting environment, and that's all gone now, because I've grown up and changed thoroughly. I've seen both sides of the fence and I'm done playing tribal games. I'm voting for the people who seem to at least live on the same planet I do, for better or worse. America needs to look in the mirror and face up to its responsibilities in a mature, considerate way, and that way just isn't part of the GOP anymore.

Great post..

334 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:08:35pm

I think either way what happens in November, I'm going to take a break from politics. Hell to be honest, I wanted to do that in 2008. But then the damn Teabaggers and their crap kind of forced me to get interested again. Really, I would be happy if I could be fairly apolitical. I sometimes play dumb when meeting new people on politics because it's just a topic that frustrates me because of the mass ignorance out there.

335 calochortus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:09:11pm

Good night, all. Play nice.

336 Interesting Times  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:09:12pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Oregon's not in play this year, I may stay home again for the second election in a row. I'm kind of warming up to the not voting thing.

I'll just leave this here...

337 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:09:49pm

re: #323 Pawn of the Oppressor

That's exactly it. I didn't become a "Democrat", the Republicans left my reservation. I remember William F. Buckley saying he had worked his whole life to de-link the right from the crazies - indicating to me that nuttiness has always been a problem on that side of the aisle - and broadly speaking, I think they went running right back to full-blown craziness because a black guy got the Presidency. I have a hard time believing that the GOP would have become so reactionary if they were running against the administration of a standard-issue pudgy white guy.

It's not just one thing with me though. Race and Religion are factors, but I just can't stomach the lies, the jingoism, anti-science nonsense, climate change denial, the reactionary mindset, the "all or nothing" attitude that treats different viewpoints as a product of some kind of cosmic evil, the war-mongering, the laughing, smug contempt for the idea of helping people, the tiny-world cognitive dissonance, and just the flat-out narrow-minded bigotry in almost every area of life... I've come to realize that almost all of the bad stuff Democrats used to say about Republicans is kinda true, on the whole.

I grew up in a conservative, R-voting environment, and that's all gone now, because I've grown up and changed thoroughly. I've seen both sides of the fence and I'm done playing tribal games. I'm voting for the people who seem to at least live on the same planet I do, for better or worse. America needs to look in the mirror and face up to its responsibilities in a mature, considerate way, and that way just isn't part of the GOP anymore.

This is a great post you know.

338 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:10:29pm

re: #330 Targetpractice

I'm really not looking forward to another LGF civil war right now. I've had enough drama on other boards to put up with it here. If things truly turn ugly, I'm taking another holiday.

There's NOT going to be another civil war. If people seriously don't want me around, I'll walk away. I won't flounce or turn Stalker, I'll just go. I don't want to do that, but I've thought for a while that I may have to have to take a holiday myself right near the election.

339 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:11:22pm

re: #323 Pawn of the Oppressor

That's exactly it. I didn't become a "Democrat", the Republicans left my reservation. I remember William F. Buckley saying he had worked his whole life to de-link the right from the crazies - indicating to me that nuttiness has always been a problem on that side of the aisle - and broadly speaking, I think they went running right back to full-blown craziness because a black guy got the Presidency. I have a hard time believing that the GOP would have become so reactionary if they were running against the administration of a standard-issue pudgy white guy.

It's not just one thing with me though. Race and Religion are factors, but I just can't stomach the lies, the jingoism, anti-science nonsense, climate change denial, the reactionary mindset, the "all or nothing" attitude that treats different viewpoints as a product of some kind of cosmic evil, the war-mongering, the laughing, smug contempt for the idea of helping people, the tiny-world cognitive dissonance, and just the flat-out narrow-minded bigotry in almost every area of life... I've come to realize that almost all of the bad stuff Democrats used to say about Republicans is kinda true, on the whole.

I grew up in a conservative, R-voting environment, and that's all gone now, because I've grown up and changed thoroughly. I've seen both sides of the fence and I'm done playing tribal games. I'm voting for the people who seem to at least live on the same planet I do, for better or worse. America needs to look in the mirror and face up to its responsibilities in a mature, considerate way, and that way just isn't part of the GOP anymore.

I hate to burst your bubble, but WFB hitched his wagon to the crazies that are currently running the party when he unabashedly supported segregation in the first issue of The National Review. By the time he admitted he was wrong it was too late, the Neo-Confederates are were firmly a part of the GOP coalition destined to take over. It's amazing to me what some former Republicans are just now seeing. What's happened to the party didn't happen overnight or even since Obama got elected. You are seeing what Democrats always saw.

340 calochortus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:11:50pm

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

My vote: don't go. One of the things I like about LGF is the diversity of opinion.

Now I'm really out.

341 b_sharp  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:12:41pm

Actually, I think I'll fuck off for a while.

342 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:13:02pm

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

There's NOT going to be another civil war. If people seriously don't want me around, I'll walk away. I won't flounce or turn Stalker, I'll just go. I don't want to do that, but I've thought for a while that I may have to have to take a holiday myself right near the election.

I don't think anyone seriously wants you gone. But if you say something I find stupid/deplorable, I'm going to call you out on it. Just as I would expect from anyone here if I did the same.

343 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:14:05pm

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

There's NOT going to be another civil war. If people seriously don't want me around, I'll walk away. I won't flounce or turn Stalker, I'll just go. I don't want to do that, but I've thought for a while that I may have to have to take a holiday myself right near the election.

I'll second the vote that I don't want to see you go, Dark. While we've disagreed and I've chewed you out on occasion, those times when we can put politics on the backburner for a bit have been both interesting and illuminating. This is sort of why I get uncomfortable on political boards towards election time, because the closer things get to the finish line, the more feral people can get towards "apostasy."

344 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:14:11pm

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

There's NOT going to be another civil war. If people seriously don't want me around, I'll walk away. I won't flounce or turn Stalker, I'll just go. I don't want to do that, but I've thought for a while that I may have to have to take a holiday myself right near the election.

Don't go. People need diversity of opinion. We can't be in a bubble all of the time.

Honestly, you're the crazy rightwing uncle I never had.

345 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:15:00pm

[Link: electoral-vote.com...]

346 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:15:47pm

re: #330 Targetpractice

I'm really not looking forward to another LGF civil war right now. I've had enough drama on other boards to put up with it here. If things truly turn ugly, I'm taking another holiday.

Pfft.. been through dozens so far.

347 jamesfirecat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:16:01pm

I further want DF to stick around, but can not express myself very articulately this late at night and on an iPad....

348 alpuz  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:16:19pm

re: #314 b_sharp

Updinged, but disagree. 'Vilified' through the words he's chosen, maybe. He may not 'support the attacks on women,' but he's all for playing the game to get those who will have absolutely no problem vilifying women to keep a baby from a rape from getting into power. Words count. Intentions matter. This exact same 'they're ok because they're concerned' attitude has given the religious right in the US the power they currently have. The power to vocalize, and legislate their beliefs.. like Akin, and Mourdock. It aint going away any time soon.

349 Big Joe  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:17:14pm

re: #347 jamesfirecat

I further want DF to stick around, but can not express myself very articulately this late at isn't and on and iPad....

Damn you, auto-correct!

350 ozbloke  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:17:56pm

re: #341 b_sharp

Actually, I think I'll fuck off for a while.

I might take two tax cuts, roll back some regulations and see you all in the morning.

351 jaunte  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:18:21pm

re: #347 jamesfirecat

Am I assentive, also.

352 engineer cat  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:18:29pm

at this hour, i can't articulate myself very expressly

353 Gus  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:18:30pm

I'm just watching.

354 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:18:52pm

re: #353 Gus

I'm just watching.

Ceiling Gus watching us fight?

/

355 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:19:56pm

re: #336 Interesting Times

I'll just leave this here...

[Embedded content]

And he's Japanese-American, volunteered for the Army while he was in an interment camp. I am humbled to read of such heroes as that, and grateful for the inspiration Mr. Tanabe has provided.

“Earn this. Earn it.” are the final words of Tom Hanks' Capt. Miller in Saving Private Ryan. I haven't earned it, not even close. But that doesn't mean I should give up trying to do so. And not voting at all would be giving up.

356 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:20:19pm

I think the first civil war here I remember was when Bigel got banned.

357 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:20:52pm

re: #356 Mich-again

I think he first civil war here I remember was when Bigel got banned.

Oh God yes, I remember that. Ah, the memories.

358 Mich-again  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:21:20pm

Then the Terry Shiavo debacle..

359 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:22:16pm

re: #358 Mich-again

Then the Terry Shiavo debacle..

Don't think I was around for that one. Not sure I wanted to be.

360 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:22:56pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Oregon's not in play this year, I may stay home again for the second election in a row. I'm kind of warming up to the not voting thing.

re: #74 Killgore Trout

re: #66 dragonath

Remember, patriots shed their blood so Killgore could stay at home this November.

Hooray!
/

People around the world have and still are risking their lives for the right to self-determination. When you treat your right to vote like it's nothing special, it makes you look like a real ass. Just sayin'.

361 Lidane  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:23:28pm

re: #358 Mich-again

Then the Terry Shiavo debacle..

The Terri Schiavo farce was the last straw for quite a few people. Hell, John Cole over at Balloon Juice went from wingnut to liberal over that garbage. He was pissed, and rightly so.

362 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:24:46pm

re: #361 Lidane

The Terri Schiavo farce was the last straw for quite a few people. Hell, John Cole over at Balloon Juice went from wingnut to liberal over that garbage. He was pissed, and rightly so.

It was one of those incidents where I began to really have doubts about my support of the GOP.

363 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:25:23pm

re: #342 JamesWI

I don't think anyone seriously wants you gone. But if you say something I find stupid/deplorable, I'm going to call you out on it. Just as I would expect from anyone here if I did the same.

Fine. But please don't treat disagreement like I poured your beer/wine/or whiskey down the sink. I honestly don't really feel like you're trying to run me off. But emotions are running hot, and I know all too well how that can effect someone. I've popped off here when too emotional more than once. not accusing you of that, though, just saying.

364 HappyWarrior  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:27:11pm

re: #361 Lidane

The Terri Schiavo farce was the last straw for quite a few people. Hell, John Cole over at Balloon Juice went from wingnut to liberal over that garbage. He was pissed, and rightly so.

Reaffirmation for me but then again I've pretty much always been left of center. At least never right of center. To me that exercise was another example of conservative hypocrisy in regards to government.

365 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:27:24pm

I still remember some pretty big meltdowns in the early days. One of the most memorable comes with two words: "globular clusters."

366 JamesWI  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:29:11pm

re: #363 Dark_Falcon

Fine. But please don't treat disagreement like I poured your beer/wine/or whiskey down the sink. I honestly don't really feel like you're trying to run me off. But emotions are running hot, and I know all too well how that can effect someone. I've popped off here when too emotional more than once. not accusing you of that, though, just saying.

Well, I'll say I'll try my best, but do remember that I generally cuss a lot, and therefore, my arguments may sound more heated than they actually are.

367 philosophus invidius  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:32:26pm

re: #363 Dark_Falcon

Things will settle down after the election. It was pretty crazy here in 2004.

368 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:33:50pm

re: #338 Dark_Falcon

There's NOT going to be another civil war. If people seriously don't want me around, I'll walk away. I won't flounce or turn Stalker, I'll just go. I don't want to do that, but I've thought for a while that I may have to have to take a holiday myself right near the election.

I vote that you stay, take your downdings, and continue to have civil conversations. You add value to the site!

369 Lidane  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:36:25pm

re: #362 Targetpractice

It was one of those incidents where I began to really have doubts about my support of the GOP.

I'd never been much of a fan of GOP policies but I'd given them the benefit of the doubt. When Congress started passing bills that only applied to the Schiavo case and went so far as to try to subpoena Terri Schiavo in an obvious pander to the religious fanatics, I lost all respect for the Republican party.

370 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:36:31pm

re: #368 Dancing along the light of day

I vote that you stay, take your downdings, and continue to have civil conversations. You add value to the site!

Thanks. Also, found this story. Seems Australia is sending Giraffes to Afghanistan.

371 Targetpractice  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:36:44pm

re: #367 philosophus invidius

Things will settle down after the election. It was pretty crazy here in 2004.

Yeah, it was. If nothing else, remember those days makes me really miss my old laptop.

372 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:48:54pm

re: #323 Pawn of the Oppressor

Well said.

373 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:52:12pm

re: #317 Lidane

Hola Lizards!

Today has been a good day. Went and voted this morning, so the election is now officially over for me. After that, went to my first day at work. Most of it was spent with busy work -- getting the e-mail and company intranet accounts set up, learning my way around Lotus Notes, getting a key to the office, getting my parking permit, etc. -- but overall it was good. I'm starting to meet my co-workers online via LinkedIn and next week I'll meet a few of them in person since they're flying me out to California for another week of training.

The building I'm in is cool. It was clearly built during the Art Deco craze because it's got that vibe. It feels like you're walking into a film noir detective's office when you walk down the halls. Tiled floors, frosted glass doors, etc. It's neat.

Also, I may have found a place to move to today. I've got one more person to talk to tomorrow and then I will decide immediately and get myself moved in. All in all a good day. :D

Really, really happy for you! ;o)

374 sagehen  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:53:48pm

re: #370 Dark_Falcon

Thanks. Also, found this story. Seems Australia is sending Giraffes to Afghanistan.

And I clicked on the article because I expected to read a heart-warming story (with cute pictures) of the generous Australians helping stock a Kabul Zoo...

375 CuriousLurker  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 9:55:05pm

re: #374 sagehen

And I clicked on the article because I expected to read a heart-warming story (with cute pictures) of the generous Australians helping stock a Kabul Zoo...

LOL, you just made me do the same.

376 darthstar  Tue, Oct 23, 2012 10:07:37pm

It's narrow to me. I'd like to see a motherfucking landslide that takes the House with it.

377 wheat-dogg  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 4:14:32am

re: #316 calochortus

Magic nipples! Women certainly have a lot of magical, mystical body parts.

That snark has a serious side to it. It seems many of the current TP/GOP pols are throwbacks to the Bronze Age (or maybe earlier) in more than one sense. Before the rise of patriarchal religions, our ancestors worshiped goddesses (like Asherah, who is vilified in the OT) because woman did seem to have mystical powers: they produced life out of seemingly nowhere. (The necessary ingredient of semen was not fully understood yet, it seems.) The earth was often associated with a goddess for the same reason. Marianism is a more recent example of this goddess worship.

Then there is the ancient (?) male's accusation that women are temptresses, with some kind of supernatural (and evil) power over men. Aphrodite was the goddess of love, beauty and sex. Lilith refused to obey Adam and he ended up with doe-eyed Eve. Eve convinced Adam to eat the forbidden fruit. Delilah cut Samson's hair. Fanatical Muslims demand their women cover themselves from head to toe. Glimpsing Janet Jackson's nipple (if you didn't blink at the time it appeared) will damn you to Hell for all eternity.

So, it seems some of our elected officials are not too far removed from the goat-herders and sheep-herders of 2012 BC.

378 Tigger2  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 5:08:43am

re: #294 Gus

Congratulations Indiana for replacing a relatively moderate Senator, Dick Lugar, and replacing him with a far-right religious zealot, Richard Mourdock.

I did my part I voted against him. lol

379 Jolo5309  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 9:33:18am

I am heading out vote after I get off work, after all, this entire thread is related to the Saskatoon Civic Election, right?

380 Vidiotic  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:55:17am

I kind of hope that Romney wins the popular vote but Obama takes the Electoral. Maybe, just maybe, then the Republicans will work with the Democrats to address the Electoral College inadequacies. It does (sometimes) serve as the buffer between the largely uneducated voters and high office, but in this day of SuperPacs it's an anachronism.

381 thecommodore  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:50:53pm

This map is way too generous for Obama, at least as of now. Florida may go blue again, but I wouldn't put my money on it.

Right now, CO and VA are going back and forth almost every day, at least according to Silver's model, while OH stays blue. If Obama holds OH, he wins. Either one of the other two would give him some breathing room.

But there's always the chance there could be a large break either way.


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