Another GOP Senate Candidate Who Thinks Rape Is God’s Way of Giving Women Babies

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It’s almost comical, how Republican cavemen simply can’t seem to stop themselves from saying disgusting, outrageous things about women and rape. Another Neanderthal emerged from his cave yesterday: Indiana GOP U.S. Senate candidate Richard Mourdock, who actually believes that if women get pregnant from a rape, it’s “something God intended.”

And the point of this sickening statement? Mourdock wants to force women who are raped to bear the children of their rapists.

Can there be any more doubt that the Republican Party is the party of backwards religious fanatics, with holes where their hearts should be?

And notice: they’re all men.

WASHINGTON — Indiana GOP U.S. Senate candidate Richard Mourdock declared Tuesday night he opposes aborting pregnancies conceived in rape because “it is something that God intended to happen.”

Debating Rep. Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.) in their final Senate race showdown, a questioner asked them and Libertarian candidate Andrew Horning to explain their views on abortion.

All three said they were anti-abortion. But Mourdock went further, putting himself in territory near Missouri GOP Senate candidate Rep. Todd Akin, the anti-abortion congressman who infamously asserted that women don’t get pregnant from “legitimate rape.”

“The only exception I have to have an abortion is in the case of the life of the mother,” said Mourdock, the Tea Party-backed state treasurer. “I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize life is that gift from God. I think that even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.”

UPDATE at 10/24/12 10:52:39 am

Mitt Romney, as usual, will continue to support this disgusting pig while at the same time pretending to disapprove: Romney Stands by Mourdock, Won’t Ask Him to Pull Down Ad.

“Gov. Romney disagrees with Richard Mourdock, and Mr. Mourdock’s comments do not reflect Gov. Romney’s views,” Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul told The Hill in a statement Wednesday morning. “We disagree on the policy regarding exceptions for rape and incest but still support him.”

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439 comments
1 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:43:14am

I take it that Richard Mourdock has never gone to a doctor at any time in his life. If he has, why does he disregard God's will?

2 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:44:19am

Another Akin like psycho who actually has a real shot of being in the Senate. Hope this ruins him.

3 SpaceJesus  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:44:21am

calvinism is alive and well in indiana i see

4 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:44:23am

So, was this really Trump's idea all along, or did he get talked out of something even stupider by the Romney campaign (i.e. divorce papers)?

He really couldn't have thought THIS would "change the election" right? Even he couldn't be that stupid....

Oh wait...

5 funky chicken  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:45:18am

Does anybody have a link to the Paul Ryan interview where he says rape is just another form of conception?

6 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:45:44am

Life is a gift from God. The rapist is only like the UPS guy or something.

7 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:45:53am

re: #4 JamesWI

So, was this really Trump's idea all along, or did he get talked out of something even stupider by the Romney campaign (i.e. divorce papers)?

He really couldn't have thought THIS would "change the election" right? Even he couldn't be that stupid....

Oh wait...

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Does Trump do anything other than troll the president? Yeah "job creators".

8 erik_t  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:47:16am

Real principled stand, there, Willard.

Mitt Romney's campaign on Wednesday reiterated its support for Indiana Senate candidate Richard Mourdock (R), saying it will not ask him to pull down an ad featuring the GOP presidential nominee.
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"Gov. Romney disagrees with Richard Mourdock, and Mr. Mourdock’s comments do not reflect Gov. Romney’s views," Romney spokeswoman Andrea Saul told The Hill in a statement Wednesday morning. "We disagree on the policy regarding exceptions for rape and incest but still support him."

Fucking reprehensible cavemen.

9 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:47:21am

It's about maintaiing ideological purity even in the face of basic humanity, compassion and common sense.

Even if Obama wins, he will have to rule a nation in which these people make up a large share of the electorate and elected representatives.

I really do not know how we can accomodate folks like this and still remain a modern democracy.

10 darthstar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:47:23am

re: #6 wrenchwench

What can brown do for you?

11 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:47:24am

And again, this is the actual logical view, if you follow the supernatural idea of conception, that an instant after conception God endows the zygote with a soul and it acquires all the rights of a human being.

This is the actual GOP party plank, and one that Romney supports. A personhood amendment, defining human life as beginning at conception, would indeed mean that they were endorsing the idea that the pregnancy was god's will. This is what the GOP actually holds as a value. This guy is not an exception, he is only speaking a little more plainly and honestly than most in the GOP.

12 Bulworth  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:47:52am

Akin, Mourdock...it's almost as if this isn't a coincidence. /

13 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:48:25am

re: #8 erik_t

Real principled stand, there, Willard.

Fucking reprehensible cavemen.

Of course they do. More cowardly bs from Mitt. Guy doesn't want to stand up to the nutcases in his party because he needs them a lot more than they need him.

14 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:48:54am

It should be spelled "Mourlock"

15 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:49:22am

re: #4 JamesWI


Surrounding yourself with sycophants will usually yield you "fantastic" responses.

16 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:49:59am

re: #14 Sheila Broflovski

It should be spelled "Mourlock"

I thought it was Mourdick

17 darthstar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:50:04am

Andrea Saul says Mourdock's views aren't representative of those held by Mitt Romney. Let me repeat...Andrea Saul says Mourdock's views aren't representative of those held by Mitt Romney.

Mitt Romney doesn't disagree with Mourdock, but women who are on his payroll are CERTAIN that he doesn't share Mourdock's views. Unless Mitt Romney, who JUST FUCKING ENDORSED "RAPE BABIES ARE GOD'S GIFT" Mourdock says otherwise, one can only assume he is endorsing him because he DOES agree with Mourdock.

Fuck you, Mitt. Fuck you hard.

18 Bulworth  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:50:13am

What war on women?!

19 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:51:23am

As recently as last week Mitt was touting this guy as "the 51st vote against Obamacare." Yeah Mitt's a coward who will associate with anyone as long as it helps his agenda. Fuck Mitt and fuck Mourdock.

20 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:51:58am
21 Bulworth  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:52:30am
Debating Rep. Joe Donnelly (D-Ind.) in their final Senate race showdown, a questioner asked them and Libertarian candidate Andrew Horning to explain their views on abortion. All three said they were anti-abortion.

Anti-abortionists are such a persecuted minority these days. ///

Even the Libertarian....

22 darthstar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:52:43am

Well, Mitt did pull links to his endorsement of Dr. "I make my mistresses get abortions" Desjarlais.

23 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:53:08am

Sometimes God's gift of life turns into a gift of death.

Image: 220px-Tubal_Pregnancy_with_embryo.jpg

Ooops!

24 erik_t  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:53:35am

I wonder how many heh-heh-I'm-a-man-I-don't-need-abortions jokes we'll get in the comment sections today.

25 Joanne  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:53:40am

If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant - for any reason - abortion should be legal. None of this rare bullshit, because then we give into that concept that abortion is wrong or bad. As long as abortion is considered that by people who support it, we will not likely win this battle for women to control their lives and their destinies.

More single mothers live in poverty than any other group. And, as we all know, there is no care or concern by anti-abortion people for the fetus once it takes its first breath. And until that changes, abortion needs to be readily available to all women.

I fear for the women who don't know how important this is, because it has never been illegal in their lifetimes.

This graphic image was from when abortion was illegal and the story of how this woman died was heartbreaking. The doctor fucked up and just walked out. He left her in a dirty hotel room to die.

When Abortion Was Illegal: WARNING - GRAPHIC IMAGE

No woman anywhere in the world should have to go through this, but this is exactly what women will face if abortion is made illegal or inaccessible.

I despise these men for their righteous indignation for something that could not possibly happen to them. Watch them change their tunes when it is their daughters or wives, though.

26 Bulworth  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:54:12am

I know I don't really want to know, but what is Donald Bankrupt Trump's latest scam?

27 erik_t  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:54:27am

re: #11 Obdicut

And again, this is the actual logical view, if you follow the supernatural idea of conception, that an instant after conception God endows the zygote with a soul and it acquires all the rights of a human being.

You're also required to believe in a God who, truly, is an evil monster.

Gift of rape. Fuck that.

28 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:54:45am

re: #26 Bulworth

release the college transcripts or i will kill this kitten.

well, something like that.

29 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:55:03am

re: #25 Joanne

Abortion is just the start: they are after contraception, sex education and women's health services in general.

30 GunstarGreen  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:55:27am

The best parts have been Mourdock's preposterous attempts to walk back the negative connotations of what he said. He's been trying to weasel out by saying that he meant that the life was God's Will™, but that the rape most certainly was not!

This, of course, raises the obvious question by anyone that actually thinks about the words coming out of the face-holes of other humans: If the life is God's Will™, but not the rape, then how else would that life have come about? Would the woman supposedly have found someone to have consensual, conceiving sex with on that very same day if her rapist hadn't just happened along to accelerate the process?

This is the problem I have with invoking God's Will™ in general: God cannot only be responsible for the good parts of everything that happens. If God makes things happen, God makes everything happen, and you have to come to terms with whether or not you hold your God accountable for the things He does.

31 Shropshire_Slasher  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:55:44am

Mourdock must be the dumbest man of the world.

32 darthstar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:55:44am

Talk about getting your game face on...

33 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:56:04am

re: #27 erik_t

You're also required to believe in a God who, truly, is an evil monster.

Gift of rape. Fuck that.

God loves you, and if you don't do exactly what we tell you he says to do, you'll burn in hell forever and ever you dirty sinner, because you made Baby Jesus cry.

But remember, he is a kind and loving God.

34 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:56:28am

re: #11 Obdicut

And again, this is the actual logical view, if you follow the supernatural idea of conception, that an instant after conception God endows the zygote with a soul and it acquires all the rights of a human being.

This is the actual GOP party plank, and one that Romney supports. A personhood amendment, defining human life as beginning at conception, would indeed mean that they were endorsing the idea that the pregnancy was god's will. This is what the GOP actually holds as a value. This guy is not an exception, he is only speaking a little more plainly and honestly than most in the GOP.

Supernatural = anti-science.

Why should Republicans (and others) care more for zygotes than God himself does? God flushes millions of zygotes out in menses every year.

35 Lidane  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:56:36am
It’s almost comical, how Republican cavemen simply can’t seem to stop themselves from saying disgusting, outrageous things about women and rape.

Why should they stop? These cretins are enabled by Faux News, the RWNJ blogs and the talk radio noise machine. If you point out the misogyny in what these guys say, conservative media twists it around and makes you the sexist, or the religious bigot, or whatever.

Add to that the fact that a lot of people agree with this guy and will vote uncritically for a Republican that it's a moot point.

36 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:56:41am

re: #33 Kragar

God loves you, and if you don't do exactly what we tell you he says to do, you'll burn in hell forever and ever you dirty sinner, because you made Baby Jesus cry.

But remember, he is a kind and loving God.

And you will burn in hell forever.

37 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:57:13am

BREAKING NEWS: Paul Ryan to give "major policy address" targeting minorities...

I'm sure that will work out really well.

38 erik_t  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:57:33am

re: #32 darthstar

Talk about getting your game face on...

I'll throw my own soccer game! With blackjack! And hookers!

You know what, forget the soccer game!

39 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:57:56am

Mourdock is free to hold and express any religious beliefs, but it is wrong to use the American legal system to impose his religious views on other people.

These people don't even see how completely un-American their political views have become.

40 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:58:35am

Utah GOP Fundraiser Accused Of Rape Commits Suicide

Salt Lake County District Attorney Sim Gill said Greg Peterson died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound at the very same Heber, Utah cabin where he hosted political events and allegedly raped at least two of his five alleged victims.

Peterson, 37, was facing 25 charges of assault, rape and kidnapping related to attacks on the women. If convicted, Peterson could have been sent to prison for the rest of his life. Peterson was released from jail on Friday after posting $2 million in bond.

41 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:58:58am

I want to know the twisted mind process that makes ACA the worst government intrusion ever but telling rape victims that they have to carry their rapist's child is fine especially from a man who will never have to that.

42 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 10:59:30am

re: #39 Mich-again

see to us, in the reality based community, that's true. Those policies are Un-American. But in their world where being a god fearing christian who loves tax cuts and corporate overlords is what it means to be American, that's a different story.

43 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:00:04am

I've told this story maybe two or three times here, but here goes again:

I knew a woman who was an inactive member of my faith. She was raped and became pregnant. She was planning on giving up the baby for adoption, but she was 37, her husband had committed suicide, and she had started to think maybe she wanted the baby. (I think maybe because at 37 with no significant other, this might be her only child.)

She was wondering if this might be a gift from God.

I explained that it was her choice what to do with the baby, but God would NEVER arrange for a rape. NEVER. Not the God I believe in.

44 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:00:06am

Could Dana be any more full of FAIL?

45 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:00:35am

Sarah Palin Decries Obama’s ‘Shuck And Jive’ On Libya

"Why the lies? Why the cover up? Why the dissembling about the cause of the murder of our ambassador on the anniversary of the worst terrorist attacks on American soil?" Palin wrote. "We deserve answers to this. President Obama's shuck and jive shtick with these Benghazi lies must end."

When are Wingnuts going to realize just because they're too stupid to understand whats going doesn't mean there is a cover up?

46 Bulworth  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:00:58am
BREAKING NEWS: Paul Ryan to give "major policy address" targeting minorities...

I'm sure that will work out really well.

Besides Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, The ACA, Civil Rights, Voting Rights, consumer protection, student loans, Pell Grants, progressive taxation, the right to unionize, the 40 hour work-week, the eight-hour work day, why do you stupid people keep supporting the Democrat Party? Don't you realize how awesome the flat tax is? What's the matter with you stupid people?

47 Lidane  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:00:59am

re: #37 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

BREAKING NEWS: Paul Ryan to give "major policy address" targeting minorities...

I'm sure that will work out really well.

LOLWUT. That should be hilarious and tone deaf in nearly equal measure.

48 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:01:01am

Is it just me or did Sarah Palin's tweet seem a bit racist maybe?

49 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:01:04am

re: #44 Sheila Broflovski

Could Dana be any more full of FAIL?

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Holy non sequitors Batman.

50 darthstar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:01:16am


Easiest way to get it from my phone to LGF.

51 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:01:39am

re: #45 Kragar

Sarah Palin Decries Obama’s ‘Shuck And Jive’ On Libya

When are Wingnuts going to realize just because they're too stupid to understand whats going doesn't mean there is a cover up?

When they realize they are too stupid period. Palin probably believes the myths made about her- that she has "common sense" and is "smarter" than Obama.

52 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:02:18am

re: #45 Kragar

jinx.

53 Lidane  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:02:33am

re: #48 Mich-again

Could someone please find a new reality show for Princess Dumbass of the Northwoods? She really needs to find work that's more on her level.

54 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:03:05am

Speaking of Palin, has she ever once and I mean even once been complimentary towards President Obama? She's got this crazy hatred of him like somehow he ruined her. No, Sarah, you did to yourself by showing the rest of America that you were totally unfit for higher office.

55 erik_t  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:03:33am

re: #44 Sheila Broflovski

Could Dana be any more full of FAIL?

Mind like a steel trap. Latches on to one damned idea and will absolutely never, ever let go.

56 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:04:15am

As an atheist, I am a very noncombative one. I think that human beings have an inborn drive towards religiosity, that the same facilities that allow us to conceptualize, to come up with brilliant leaps of logic, to see things like evolution, are the same that drive us to mistakenly conclude that supernatural things are real.

I often feel there's this false view promoted that scientists work by cold accumulative logic, and whereas obviously rigorous logic and patience and drudgery are the backbone of science, many great insights come in ways that cannot be said to be logical or following in any particular fashion. Many great scientific ideas come from some unknown process in the human brain, and often are astonishing in how far-reaching they are.

So I have no particular animus towards the religious nor do I believe being religious says anything about that person's ability to reason logically. There is no reason one can't be a fervent believer in God and a great scientist. As many great religious thinkers have said, if you find religion and science in contradiction, your fault lies in your understanding of your religion.

So that is the background when I say the fucking rejection of science in terms of the abortion debate, the rejection of any sense or logic, galls me to the fucking core.

Let's grant the premise. Let's say that an instant after conception, that God does something and suddenly the zygote is in some important and meaningful way a human being, and needs to be protected.

Then this means that God is creating millions and millions and millions of these that then die, either as they are absorbed by their twin (happens quite more often than you'd think) or fail to implant or are miscarried. He dooms more of them to die from some genetic diseases, in great pain and suffering. This is just typical evil-exists-whats-up-with-that-God logic, and dismiss-able by some conception that there has to be strife in order for humanity to be tested or something, but in this setting it is different, because it alleges God is already acting.

That God doesn't save people falling from cliffs is understandable theology, but that God doesn't save people from falling when everyone comes into existence falling and can do nothing to help themselves but must rely on others munificence to save them-- that's pretty fucked up.

Simply from a theological point of view, ideas restricting abortion are fallacious. They assert a knowledge of when God acts to imbue humanity with some sort of spark, but ignore what that would mean about the nature of god.

Of course, progressing further down this line of logic, like almost any line of logic related to this, ends with a choice between atheism and a god who condones evil. But that's not what I'm asking for. I'm just asking for people who are anti-abortion on religious grounds to ask themselves why the fuck they think they know that god has to take any action outside the natural to imbue human beings with humanity, why it can't be like everything else in god's universe, ticking along without needing a push. It is the last stone-age belief deeply embedded in most religion-- we no longer believe god makes the crops grow but we do that he makes humans grow.

57 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:04:36am

re: #52 Mich-again

jinx.

Sorry, I couldn't hear you over the sound of my awesome.

58 Bulworth  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:04:58am
When are Wingnuts going to realize just because they're too stupid to understand whats going doesn't mean there is a cover up?

Never.

Also, too: so let me get this straight. The RWNJ are now concerned about the well-being of our diplomatic corps? Weren't the RWNJ complaining about the Embassy's statement that allegedly excused the riots on the anti-Muslim film?

59 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:05:08am

re: #48 Mich-again

Is it just me or did Sarah Palin's tweet seem a bit racist maybe?

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Meh, I doubt it. She's not clever enough to be that subtle.

60 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:05:34am

Beck: Romney is a Modern Day George Washington Who is Being Guided by God

Well, that changes everything. I totally have to vote for Mitt now.
/

61 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:06:04am

Got a new SSD being delivered today. I will love the new room. I just hate reinstalling everything. Ugh.

re: #32 darthstar

Truly, an inspiration to us all.

62 Bulworth  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:06:14am
Speaking of Palin, has she ever once and I mean even once been complimentary towards President Obama?

No, but that's because everyone hates Sarah for being so full of truthiness and everyone's mean to Sarah so Shut Up That's Why. //

63 Lidane  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:06:30am

re: #45 Kragar

When are Wingnuts going to realize just because they're too stupid to understand whats going doesn't mean there is a cover up?

That'll happen at the same time that Bryan Fischer embraces Islam and Donald Trump learns humility.

64 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:07:09am

An interesting campaign tactic from the Mitt camp
Big Bird, Binders & Bayonets

Youtube Video
65 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:07:37am

re: #59 Killgore Trout

Meh, I doubt it. She's not clever enough to be that subtle.

Subtle?

66 Bulworth  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:07:47am
Is it just me or did Sarah Palin's tweet seem a bit racist maybe?

Obama's Shuck and Jive Ends With Benghazi Lies fb.me/1m3q5c2IR
— Sarah Palin (@SarahPalinUSA) October 24, 2012

The only racist thing is you people pointing our racist stuff out. /

67 Lidane  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:07:53am

re: #54 HappyWarrior

Speaking of Palin, has she ever once and I mean even once been complimentary towards President Obama? She's got this crazy hatred of him like somehow he ruined her.

She never outgrew the Mean Girls mentality from high school. She lost the beauty pageant and now it's her life's mission to snark and bitch about the person who won.

68 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:07:57am

TEH FAIL NEVER STOPS

69 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:08:11am

re: #53 Lidane

Could someone please find a new reality show for Princess Dumbass of the Northwoods? She really needs to find work that's more on her level.

Sarah Palin, Donald Trump, Ann Coulter, Ted Nugent, Rush Limbaugh, Sean 11ty.. I say they should do a lack-of-reality TV series. They could all move into the Overlook Hotel for the Winter and enjoy each other's company every day all day.

70 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:09:06am

re: #67 Lidane

She never outgrew the Mean Girls mentality from high school. She lost the beauty pageant and now it's her life's mission to snark and bitch about the person who won.

That's my impression. Really, she seems to rag on him at every opportunity. It just seems to me that her hatred of Obama is more personal than ideological like she has this grudge against him like she holds him personally responsible for why she's not VP even though if she was honest enough with herself, she'd know that she was on a losing ticket.

71 Amory Blaine  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:09:25am

re: #69 Mich-again

He he. Sean 11ty. Good one.

72 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:09:54am

re: #69 Mich-again

Sarah Palin, Donald Trump, Ann Coulter, Ted Nugent, Rush Limbaugh, Sean 11ty.. I say they should do a lack-of-reality TV series with them. They could all move into the Overlook Hotel for the Winter and enjoy each other's company every day all day.

That reminds me to put the Shining on my Halloween movie list. I haven't seen it in a very long time.

73 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:10:00am

re: #68 Sheila Broflovski

TEH FAIL NEVER STOPS

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No, it's because he showed no empathy at all for rape victims but nice try Dana. Really, Dana's constant defenses of these pathetic assholes is sad.

74 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:10:20am

re: #53 Lidane

Could someone please find a new reality show for Princess Dumbass of the Northwoods? She really needs to find work that's more on her level.

Jersey Shore turned down her resume and Honey Boo Boo is afraid she would quit after half a season.

75 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:10:25am

re: #73 HappyWarrior

No, it's because he showed no empathy at all for rape victims but nice try Dana. Really, Dana's constant defenses of these pathetic assholes is sad.

She wants the RT's.

76 erik_t  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:11:08am

re: #70 HappyWarrior

That's my impression. Really, she seems to rag on him at every opportunity. It just seems to me that her hatred of Obama is more personal than ideological like she has this grudge against him like she holds him personally responsible for why she's not VP even though if she was honest enough with herself, she'd know that she was on a losing ticket.

I'm more willing to grant Sarah's Obama derangement than that of others. At least she's got a legitimate reason to hate him, petty and childish though it may be.

77 Bulworth  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:11:26am
Progs are pissed at Mourdock because he didn't say "I love abortion." #INsen
— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) October 24, 2012

I guess I'm not regretting leaving my phone in the car so I'm not constantly on Twitter all day.

78 erik_t  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:11:43am

re: #75 Sheila Broflovski

She wants the RT's.

Does CNN still employ that sad, bitter, vitriolic woman?

79 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:11:54am

Gov. Christie should be getting slammed for campaigning for this cretin. NJ Democrats are calling on Christie to withdraw his support. Christie had previously attacked Akin over similar comments.

New Jersey Democrats today called on Gov. Chris Christie to revoke his support for U.S. Senate candidate Richard Mourdock, the Indiana Republican who has come under fire saying that pregnancy resulting from rape can be “something that God intended to happen.”

“I struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize life is that gift from God,” Mourdock said at a debate Tuesday, according to The Washington Post. “And I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.”

Democrats quickly seized on the comments and compared Mourdock to Missouri Congressman Todd Akin, who's also running for Senate. Akin was widely criticized from the left as well as from within his own party for saying that women's bodies can prevent pregnancies in "a legitimate rape" and that conception is rare in such cases.

Christie called Akin’s comments “blatantly absurd” and said he “wouldn’t campaign for a guy like Todd Akin.” Christie's office did not return messages seeking comment on whether he would denounce Mourdock's comments.

On Oct. 17, Christie lent his support to Mourdock with a fundraising event and a campaign rally in Merrillville, Ind.

80 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:12:00am

re: #72 Killgore Trout

That reminds me to put the Shining on my Halloween movie list. I haven't seen it in a very long time.

I caught it on cable while flipping around last week. That one is always a stop and go back after it registers in my brain that I just passed The Shining. My favorite scary movie. Incredible in so many ways.

81 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:13:24am

re: #79 lawhawk

Gov. Christie should be getting slammed for campaigning for this cretin. NJ Democrats are calling on Christie to withdraw his support. Christie had previously attacked Akin over similar comments.

Well if he doesn't, his opponent next year surely will. If I'm Christie's 2013 opponent, I'm linking him to a lot of the bad craziness with the national Republican party.

82 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:13:33am

Even the music is scary.

83 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:13:47am

re: #64 Killgore Trout

If Obama sits back and tries to be diplomatic, he gets walked over. If he fights back, he gets branded as being condescending and dismissive.

Better to go down swinging if you are gonna go.

84 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:14:16am

re: #80 Mich-again

I caught it on cable while flipping around last week. That one is always a stop and go back after it registers in my brain that I just passed The Shining. My favorite scary movie. Incredible in so many ways.

I can't believe King hates it. I know Nicholson's Jack is different from the novel's but Nicholson was great in that. Well he's always great because he's Jack.

85 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:15:26am

re: #84 HappyWarrior

I can't believe King hates it. I know Nicholson's Jack is different from the novel's but Nicholson was great in that. Well he's always great because he's Jack.

"Terms of Endearment" was about the only Jack Nicholson movie I saw that I did not like him in.

86 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:15:53am

re: #80 Mich-again

I caught it on cable while flipping around last week. That one is always a stop and go back after it registers in my brain that I just passed The Shining. My favorite scary movie. Incredible in so many ways.

I sneaked into the theater to see it when I was about 11. Had nightmares for years.

87 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:18:45am

re: #83 AK-47%

If Obama sits back and tries to be diplomatic, he gets walked over. If he fights back, he gets branded as being condescending and dismissive.

Better to go down swinging if you are gonna go.

Maybe but I find it bold political jujitsu from the Mitt camp to put out an ad using Obama's own favorite zingers. Might work, maybe not. Also notice Mitt seems to be skipping all the late night shows and silly TV stuff. He's doing a lot better in the polls than I expected so I guess I can't knock the strategy.

88 RadicalModerate  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:19:14am

Mourdock was given the opportunity today to walk back his comments regarding rape in a news conference.

GOP's Mourdock says rape, abortion comments 'twisted'

True to form, he's claiming that he was misquoted. Never mind those comments were broadcast nationwide on C-Span during a live debate.

89 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:20:14am

re: #88 RadicalModerate

Mourdock was given the opportunity today to walk back his comments regarding rape in a news conference.

GOP's Mourdock says rape, abortion comments 'twisted'

True to form, he's claiming that he was misquoted. Never mind those comments were broadcast nationwide on C-Span during a live debate.

Watch the Bryan Fischers of the world claim that those who criticize his comments are bad as rapists. I still remember how Akin was made out to be the victim after the legitimate rape comments.

90 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:20:56am

re: #87 Killgore Trout

Maybe but I find it bold political jujitsu from the Mitt camp to put out an ad using Obama's own favorite zingers. Might work, maybe not. Also notice Mitt seems to be skipping all the late night shows and silly TV stuff. He's doing a lot better in the polls than I expected so I guess I can't knock the strategy.

I begrudgingly admit that it is a damn effective bit of campaign strategy, but I was expecting nothing less given the resources placed at his disposal...

91 Skip Intro  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:21:10am

re: #40 Kragar

Utah GOP Fundraiser Accused Of Rape Commits Suicide

Dumb bastard. He's committed a mortal sin, just because he was doing God's will.

He had it made, then he went and killed himself.

92 dragonfire1981  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:21:11am

Is it fair enough to say that humans were meant to be spiritual beings? I mean the fact that we have so many religions and belief systems of different stripes as well as the nearly universal habit of frequently considering the big questions like "where did we come from?" and "why are we here?" seem to suggest that we are predisposed to ponder our origins and our nature.

I wonder if there's any way to see if other animals go through similar thought processes or if these kinds of thought truly are limited to humans.

93 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:22:00am

re: #92 dragonfire1981

Is it fair enough to say that humans were meant to be spiritual beings? I mean the fact that we have so many religions and belief systems of different stripes as well as the nearly universal habit of frequently considering the big questions like "where did we come from?" and "why are we here?" seem to suggest that we are predisposed to ponder our origins and our nature.

I wonder if there's any way to see if other animals go through similar thought processes or if these kinds of thought truly are limited to humans.

You mean you don't believe in doggie heaven/hell?

94 GunstarGreen  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:23:15am

re: #64 Killgore Trout

An interesting campaign tactic from the Mitt camp
Big Bird, Binders & Bayonets

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"JOBS JOBS JOBS PLEASE STOP TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT MAKE ME LOOK BAD" is not an 'interesting campaign tactic' from Mittbot Promotions Inc. It's the same fucking shit they've been doing for the entire cycle, every single time he does something that makes him look like an out-of-touch toolbag.

Meaning they've been going it constantly.

95 andres  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:25:13am

And Romney pretends to have more spine to deal with Putin?

96 dragonfire1981  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:25:49am
97 dragonfire1981  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:26:39am

re: #93 AK-47%

You mean you don't believe in doggie heaven/hell?

Actually I think we seriously underestimate the emotional and social complexities of creatures that aren't us.

98 erik_t  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:26:48am

re: #92 dragonfire1981

Is it fair enough to say that humans were meant to be spiritual beings? I mean the fact that we have so many religions and belief systems of different stripes as well as the nearly universal habit of frequently considering the big questions like "where did we come from?" and "why are we here?" seem to suggest that we are predisposed to ponder our origins and our nature.

Your phrasing sure answers your own question. "Meant"?

99 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:27:24am

re: #60 Kragar

Beck: Romney is a Modern Day George Washington Who is Being Guided by God

Well, that changes everything. I totally have to vote for Mitt now.
/

I read this to my wife and she started choking.

Some things are really hard to swallow.

100 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:28:14am

re: #83 AK-47%

If Obama sits back and tries to be diplomatic, he gets walked over. If he fights back, he gets branded as being condescending and dismissive.

Better to go down swinging if you are gonna go.

Better to die with steel in your face than in your back.

101 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:29:12am

Now that we've heard similar statements from Akin and Mourdoch, I have to wonder if this is something that's being taught widely at some Christian churches.

102 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:29:18am

re: #96 dragonfire1981

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Let's ask the woman's mother if having a daughter makes the means of conception any less painful to live with?

103 dragonfire1981  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:29:40am

re: #98 erik_t

Your phrasing sure answers your own question. "Meant"?

Ok, rephrase: Is it fair enough to say that humans are at least inherently spiritual beings?

104 Skip Intro  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:29:47am

re: #53 Lidane

Could someone please find a new reality show for Princess Dumbass of the Northwoods? She really needs to find work that's more on her level.

Princess Caribou-boo is too busy competing with Dana Loesch for the most obnoxious tweeter award to think about that.

105 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:29:54am

re: #60 Kragar

He means "George Wallace" and "guided by goLd."

106 darthstar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:29:55am

Separated at birth?

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107 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:30:42am

re: #106 darthstar

Separated at birth?

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The Ann Romney photo looks like it was Photoshopped.

108 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:31:10am

re: #64 Killgore Trout

An interesting campaign tactic from the Mitt camp
Big Bird, Binders & Bayonets

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Yeah, fail.

109 darthstar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:34:13am

re: #106 darthstar

Separated at birth?

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re: #107 Sheila Broflovski

The Ann Romney photo looks like it was Photoshopped.

I don't think so...here she is again.

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It's just a little blurry...like Mitt's positions on, well, everything.

110 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:34:55am

re: #50 darthstar

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Easiest way to get it from my phone to LGF.

My guess is that it's a Yakolev YAK-18A.

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111 kirkspencer  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:35:18am

re: #103 dragonfire1981

Ok, rephrase: Is it fair enough to say that humans are at least inherently spiritual beings?

No.

112 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:35:40am

Yeah but, there's some tiger romance goin' on at the Detroit Zoo.

113 AntonSirius  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:36:15am

OK, I'll be the guy to risks the downdings...

I have no problem with Mourdock's position as he stated it, as a matter of faith. He didn't come across as arrogant about it, and admitted he struggled to reach that eventual position. That's as much as I expect from anyone on issues like this, and is a far cry from Akin's ugliness.

The problem is not his faith, it's his willingness to legislate based on it. That's the line that shouldn't be crossed.

114 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:37:01am

re: #113 AntonSirius

See my post. The problem is also with his faith.

It's an incoherent theological belief, even by the standards of theology.

115 blueraven  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:43:09am

Tunisia: Reported Consulate Suspect Arrested

The Tunisian government has confirmed it has arrested a 28-year-old Tunisian reportedly linked to the U.S. consulate attack in Libya.

Tunisian Interior Ministry spokesman Tarrouch Khaled said Wednesday that Ali Harzi was in custody in Tunis. Khaled tells The Associated Press "his case is in the hands of justice." He did not elaborate

.

116 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:43:22am

Remember that 'terrorist' that NJDhockeyfan claimed was openly taunting us in the last thread, turns out things are not so black and white, shocker!

Libyan Islamist denies role in Benghazi attack

The overlap between Abu Obaida Bin Jarrah and Ansar al-Shariah is not clear. Libya's rebel council moved to disband Abu Obaida Bin Jarrah after the July 2011 assassination of rebel army chief Abdel Fattah Younis, a killing blamed on the Islamist group. Some militiamen say Abu Obaida Bin Jarrah fighters joined Ansar al-Shariah, which rose to prominence during fighting later in the war and was entrusted with security in post-war Benghazi.

In Abu Khattala's account of the night, he was informed by phone that there was a protest at the building and that four men were trapped inside. He and his men went there to rescue them.

Abu Khattala declined to explain further how and why he was called upon to go to the site. Libya's government lacks a strong army and police force and has relied on militias, including in the past Ansar al-Shariah, to keep order.

"It was crowded inside, people were carrying stuff and leaving," he said. He said he saw smoke but no fire.

"It was the first time I learned that there was a U.S. consulate in this place," Abu Khattala said. "And I never learned about, met, or had any relation with the U.S. ambassador."

So was he involved? Probably, but nothing I have read assures me that he definitely was. I'll leave jumping to conclusions to people like Romney and NJD and wait until the powers that be sort this mess out by gathering intelligence and doing an actual investigation.

117 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:45:18am

re: #112 Sheila Broflovski

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Yeah but, there's some romance goin' on at the Detroit Zoo.

In nature, there is always romance goin' on.

Tigers don't sit around and discuss exactly where the relationship is going. This speeds things up, I would imagine.

118 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:45:41am

Paul Ryan now giving a speech on poverty, African Americans and Hispanic.

119 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:46:44am

re: #117 Mostly sane, most of the time.

In nature, there is always romance goin' on.

Tigers don't sit around and discuss exactly where the relationship is going. This speeds things up, I would imagine.

this is not nature, this is in the zoo. They had to bring in a new boyfriend for the girl tiger.

120 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:48:40am

re: #119 Sheila Broflovski

this is not nature, this is in the zoo. They had to bring in a new boyfriend for the girl tiger.

Still, no smart phone relays with the BFF's to see if they like each other.

No meeting for coffee.

No looking through hundreds of profiles.

No first dates.

121 Joanne  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:48:55am

re: #118 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Paul Ryan now giving a speech on poverty, African Americans and Hispanic.

To a bunch of white people who, like Romney/Ryan, care little to nothing about any of the aforementioned groups.

122 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:49:11am

Again nothing worth covering in the speech as it was nothing but "blah, blah, blah-people" and MSNBC cut away. Talked a bit about how african american and hispanic students are expected to do well on tests *cough*NCLB*cough* and how there should be upward mobility in this country and blah, blah, blah. Major policy speech to romney camp = fuzzy platitudes and psychobabble.

123 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:50:14am

re: #113 AntonSirius

I won't down-ding, but I definitely disagree. I think there's something very wrong with a religious faith that forces women to give birth to the babies of rapists.

It's an authoritarian patriarchal faith that gives women absolutely no freedom of choice over what happens with their own bodies. It's akin to slavery for women.

The position that Mourdock "struggled" to reach is an inhuman, heartless position, the position of a fanatic.

124 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:50:32am

Barton: 3rd Grade Reading Levels are the 'Best Indicator' of Who Will End up in Prison

On "WallBuilders Live" today, David Barton and Rick Green were discussing the importance and benefits of school choice in terms of improved scholastic performance. While making the case, Barton explained that during Glenn Beck's "Restoring Love" event earlier this year, WallBuilders was tasked with organizing volunteer opportunities for the thousands of attendees and one of the groups they partnered with was a church that had been asked to help improve the reading ability of local third grade students.

And the reason this was so important, Barton explained, is because the Texas Department of Corrections uses the number of third grade students who are not reading at grade level to determine how many prison beds they will need in fifteen years "because kids that are not reading at grade level in the thrid grade, they're the kids that end up in prison. That's the best indicator they have found is where these kids are in third grade":

You will undoubtedly be shocked to learn that this is an ubran legend and not at all true.

125 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:50:39am

re: #118 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Paul Ryan now giving a speech on poverty, African Americans and Hispanic.

All subjects on which he has absolutely no experience?

126 makeitstop  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:51:37am

re: #125 Targetpractice

All subjects on which he has absolutely no experience?

Well, I'm pretty sure his heart is black.
/

127 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:52:28am

re: #120 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Still, no smart phone relays with the BFF's to see if they like each other.

No meeting for coffee.

No looking through hundreds of profiles.

No first dates.

ARRANGED MARRIAGE!

128 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:53:20am

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129 RadicalModerate  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:55:04am

Ah, Republicans. Actively courting the "rapist" voting demographic.

130 blueraven  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:55:42am

re: #122 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Again nothing worth covering in the speech as it was nothing but "blah, blah, blah-people" and MSNBC cut away. Talked a bit about how african american and hispanic students are expected to do well on tests *cough*NCLB*cough* and how there should be upward mobility in this country and blah, blah, blah. Major policy speech to romney camp = fuzzy platitudes and psychobabble.

They must be really worried about how they are polling with these groups.

Why would they be trying to shore up the minority vote now with a major speech? A little late for that. Nevada and possibly Colorado might be bothering them, which they need to get to 270.
Romney in Nevada today.

131 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:56:05am

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132 funky chicken  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:56:22am

re: #123 Charles Johnson

I won't down-ding, but I definitely disagree. I think there's something very wrong with a religious faith that sees nothing wrong with forcing women to give birth to the babies of rapists.

It's an authoritarian patriarchal faith that gives women absolutely no freedom of choice over what happens with their own bodies. It's akin to slavery for women.

The position that Mourdock "struggled" to reach is an inhuman, heartless position, the position of a fanatic.

and the position of someone who puts greater value on the "life" of a fetus than on the mental and physical health of a woman

133 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:56:38am

Because humans were meant to suffer --fire and brimstone thinking. god's will and all.

More like, Feudal Lord and Archbiship's will and all. You suffer, they live in comfort.

134 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:56:54am

[Link: pbs.twimg.com...]

135 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:58:07am

re: #133 ggt

Because humans were meant to suffer --fire and brimstone thinking. god's will and all.

More like, Feudal Lord and Archbiship's will and all. You suffer, they live in comfort.

They get gout.

136 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:58:51am

re: #134 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

[Link: pbs.twimg.com...]

WIN!

137 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:58:53am

re: #133 ggt

Because humans were meant to suffer --fire and brimstone thinking. god's will and all.

More like, Feudal Lord and Archbiship's will and all. You suffer, they live in comfort.

I've never understood the idea that "a little suffering is good for the soul." If one truly believes in a benevolent and caring god, then they should not have to rationalize evil.

138 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:58:55am

re: #80 Mich-again

I caught it on cable while flipping around last week. That one is always a stop and go back after it registers in my brain that I just passed The Shining. My favorite scary movie. Incredible in so many ways.

The funny thing is Stephen King didn't like it, and its probably the best movie ever made from one of his horror stories.

139 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 11:59:50am

You know, I am so lucky to have been a planned and wanted child. That simple stroke of luck put me a ground zero for success in life.

From my perspective, I couldn't imagine being and knowing I was the result of a rape.

Really, that would be god's will? REALLY?

140 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:00:04pm

re: #135 Mostly sane, most of the time.

They get gout.

and the best drugs.

141 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:00:38pm

re: #138 aagcobb

The funny thing is Stephen King didn't like it, and its probably the best movie ever made from one of his horror stories.

I'd like to see Road Work made into a movie.

142 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:01:30pm

re: #92 dragonfire1981

Is it fair enough to say that humans were meant to be spiritual beings? I mean the fact that we have so many religions and belief systems of different stripes as well as the nearly universal habit of frequently considering the big questions like "where did we come from?" and "why are we here?" seem to suggest that we are predisposed to ponder our origins and our nature.

I wonder if there's any way to see if other animals go through similar thought processes or if these kinds of thought truly are limited to humans.

The lack of language would make it pretty difficult for animals to contemplate such abstract questions.

143 Joanne  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:03:28pm

re: #134 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

[Link: pbs.twimg.com...]

Oh, if I could upding this a few more times.

144 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:03:29pm

re: #123 Charles Johnson

I won't down-ding, but I definitely disagree. I think there's something very wrong with a religious faith that forces women to give birth to the babies of rapists.

It's an authoritarian patriarchal faith that gives women absolutely no freedom of choice over what happens with their own bodies. It's akin to slavery for women.

The position that Mourdock "struggled" to reach is an inhuman, heartless position, the position of a fanatic.

YES, SLAVERY. It is not AKIN to slavery. IT IS SLAVERY

How anyone, especially a women, can vote for these people is beyond me.

Like the slave trade from Afrika or the wholesale slaughter of other indigenous peoples -- to spread the Gospel was the final endorsement.

145 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:03:33pm

re: #138 aagcobb

The funny thing is Stephen King didn't like it, and its probably the best movie ever made from one of his horror stories.

Well, in King's defense, he didn't like it because Kubrick turned it into more of a psychological thriller than the supernatural horror that King had written. Apparently King felt Kubrick took the bite out of it all by removing that element, which he asserts has more to do with Kubrick's skepticism of the supernatural.

146 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:03:38pm

Getting close to launching the revamped LGF Pages indexes, for all Pages and each user's Pages.

147 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:03:40pm

re: #138 aagcobb

actually The Dark Half was awesome as well.

148 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:03:55pm

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149 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:03:59pm

re: #142 aagcobb

The lack of language would make it pretty difficult for animals to contemplate such abstract questions.

They have other things on their minds.

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I'm so going to hell.

150 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:05:08pm

re: #149 Kragar

They have other things on their minds.

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I'm so going to hell.

Join the club, we're having t-shirts made.

151 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:05:18pm

re: #149 Kragar

They have other things on their minds.

Image: 1336761819642338.jpg

I'm so going to hell.

See you there. I'll bring the Oreos.

152 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:05:34pm

re: #114 Obdicut

See my post. The problem is also with his faith.

It's an incoherent theological belief, even by the standards of theology.

Is it? If you believe that God is omniscient, knowing everything that will ever happen, and omnipotent, having absolute control over everything that happens, doesn't that necessarily mean that God is ultimately responsible for everything?

153 peterb  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:05:51pm

I'm pretty sure that Mourdock learned everything about reproduction and morality from Judy Blume's seminal 1970's teenage coming-of-age novel "Are You There, God? It's Me, Douchebag."

154 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:06:56pm

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155 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:07:17pm

re: #152 aagcobb

Is it? If you believe that God is omniscient, knowing everything that will ever happen, and omnipotent, having absolute control over everything that happens, doesn't that necessarily mean that God is ultimately responsible for everything?

But it's also a double-edged sword, because you have to believe that a god with such power either is responsible for evil in the world or allows evil to happen, which sort of contradicts the whole "benevolent and caring deity" bit.

156 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:07:58pm

re: #140 ggt

and the best drugs.

Not Henry VIII.

He died.

Horribly.

157 kirkspencer  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:08:32pm

re: #138 aagcobb

The funny thing is Stephen King didn't like it, and its probably the best movie ever made from one of his horror stories.

Disagree. The best King movie is the Green Mile.

And then there's my odd duck position. I thought the 1997 Shining (the tv miniseries) was the better of the two shinings.

158 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:09:08pm

E.W. Jackson: God will turn Black Voters 'Overwhelmingly' against Obama and Democrats in November

While speaking to talk show host Janet Mefferd, Jackson claimed that his video is part of a larger move of God to move African American voters against Obama and other Democrats. He told Mefferd that black Christians are “overwhelmingly” supporting his mission to punish the Democrats for backing gay equality, saying that the party is “in rebellion against God” and lost the confidence of Black America.

Unfortunately for Jackson, polls show Obama receiving over 90 percent of the black vote, in line with past elections showing tremendous support for Democratic presidential candidates among African Americans.

One would think that if God really was against Obama, he would get down with some serious smiting and not even worry about the election. Pillar of salt, rain of fire, creeping death, something.

159 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:09:18pm

re: #157 kirkspencer

Disagree. The best King movie is the Green Mile.

And then there's my odd duck position. I thought the 1997 Shining (the tv miniseries) was the better of the two shinings.

The Green Mile for best big-screen film, The Stand for best miniseries.

160 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:09:19pm

re: #156 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Not Henry VIII.

He died.

Horribly.

He totally deserved it.

161 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:09:37pm

re: #152 aagcobb

Is it? If you believe that God is omniscient, knowing everything that will ever happen, and omnipotent, having absolute control over everything that happens, doesn't that necessarily mean that God is ultimately responsible for everything?

The next logical progression of thought is that god, did indeed rape Mary, therefore:

1) she wanted it
2) the rapist's child was Jesus
3) How can you possible suggest allowing the 2nd coming of our Lord to be aborted?

We have an Establishment Clause FOR A REASON.

162 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:10:05pm

BBIAB

163 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:10:16pm

re: #156 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Not Henry VIII.

He died.

Horribly.

without laudanum?

164 sauceruney  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:10:37pm

I suppose you could go all the way back to the roots of their mass-insanity and say Mary was raped by God. Because Jesus.

165 Mattand  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:10:43pm

re: #113 AntonSirius

OK, I'll be the guy to risks the downdings...

I have no problem with Mourdock's position as he stated it, as a matter of faith. He didn't come across as arrogant about it, and admitted he struggled to reach that eventual position. That's as much as I expect from anyone on issues like this, and is a far cry from Akin's ugliness.

The problem is not his faith, it's his willingness to legislate based on it. That's the line that shouldn't be crossed.

The problem is absolutely Mourdock's faith. The problem is also people like you giving him cover because Mourdock's almighty god-thingy "spoke" to him through prayer.

Seriously, this is everything wrong with religion right here. One person believing that God wants raped women to be incubators for their attackers' spawn, and another going "Hey, it's okay because he prayed really hard to get to this view point."

News for you, pal: it's every bit as ugly as Todd Akin. The only thing worse than these Christian fanatics running for public office is people making excuses for them because the politicians hug a Bible nightly.

166 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:10:52pm

WTF. Pam has to Trump Donald.

167 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:10:58pm

re: #164 sauceruney

I suppose you could go all the way back to the roots of their mass-insanity and say Mary was raped by God. Because Jesus.

GMTA

168 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:11:11pm

re: #163 ggt

without laudanum?

He spend decades with ulcerated wounds on his legs.

Seriously.

169 sauceruney  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:11:48pm

re: #161 ggt

If I hadn't a phone call to answer you wouldn't have beaten me by a minute with the similar idea! lol

170 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:11:54pm

re: #166 Sheila Broflovski

WTF. Pam has to Trump Donald.

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Somehow, I had a feeling that would be the attack angle.

171 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:12:06pm

re: #168 Mostly sane, most of the time.

He spend decades with ulcerated wounds on his legs.

Seriously.

Too much sleeping with the pretty daughters of his underlings?

bed bugs?

diabetes?

172 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:12:18pm

re: #157 kirkspencer

Disagree. The best King movie is the Green Mile.

And then there's my odd duck position. I thought the 1997 Shining (the tv miniseries) was the better of the two shinings.

Never saw the miniseries, I do think Darabont who directed both Green Mile and Shawshank is probably the best at adapting King's work though. Green Mile is why I'm anti death penalty. I don't know if King intended for it to be about the DP or not but the chance that you could execute an innocent just scares me. Green Mile is one of King's few works not set in Maine too though the aforementioned Shining is another example.

173 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:12:28pm

re: #171 ggt

Too much sleeping with the pretty daughters of his underlings?

bed bugs?

diabetes?

Jousting. Possibly diabetes as well.

174 Mocking Jay  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:12:40pm

re: #159 Targetpractice

The Green Mile for best big-screen film, The Stand for best miniseries.

Shawshank Redemption.

That is all.

175 kirkspencer  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:12:49pm

re: #164 sauceruney

I suppose you could go all the way back to the roots of their mass-insanity and say Mary was raped by God. Because Jesus.

Ah, but you forget immaculate conception. God ensured Mary was truly innocent (immaculate) so that his seed wouldn't be contaminated by evil.

So God can wave a magic wand and make sure somebody is innocent and pure and protected -- but won't, except when he wants a booty call.

176 RadicalModerate  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:12:54pm

One thing I never understood about the hardcore anti-abortion faction. Since roughly 30-35% of all pregnancies end via spontaneous abortion (either via miscarriage or due to implantation failure), shouldn't these folks be railing against the one responsible for ending more pregnancies in a year's time than have been caused by all medical procedures during the past century?

177 sauceruney  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:13:58pm

re: #175 kirkspencer

Okay, so forcibly artificially inseminated without busting her hymen. Or something something.

178 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:13:59pm

re: #174 Mocking Jay

Shawshank Redemption.

That is all.

Bah, I say! Bah!

179 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:14:45pm

re: #176 RadicalModerate

One thing I never understood about the hardcore anti-abortion faction. Since roughly 30-35% of all pregnancies end via spontaneous abortion (either via miscarriage or due to implantation failure), shouldn't these folks be railing against the one responsible for ending more pregnancies in a year's time than have been caused by all medical procedures during the past century?

Yeah, they are blaming the women and calling for criminal investigations of all miscarriages . . .

180 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:14:58pm

re: #176 RadicalModerate

That will be the logical next step after a "life begins at conception" law: mothers who lose children before term could find themselves being suspected of having induced the miscarriage...

181 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:15:22pm

re: #155 Targetpractice

But it's also a double-edged sword, because you have to believe that a god with such power either is responsible for evil in the world or allows evil to happen, which sort of contradicts the whole "benevolent and caring deity" bit.

And then you create a theology in which you blame a man and a woman for disobeying God by eating from the tree of knowledge, which makes absolutely no fuckin sense, because they couldn't have known it was wrong to disobey God until after they ate the damn fruit. Which means God is basically a douchebag because he set them up to fail.

182 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:16:16pm

Ha, I like the picture Yahoo has for their story on Trumps "big" news

Image: trump_uni.jpg

Trump looking like a raging jackass, Obama with a "You've got to be shitting me" look on his face.

183 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:16:58pm

re: #157 kirkspencer

Disagree. The best King movie is the Green Mile.

And then there's my odd duck position. I thought the 1997 Shining (the tv miniseries) was the better of the two shinings.

But the Green Mile isn't really a horror story, thus my caveat. And bleah! The miniseries was crap!

184 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:17:02pm

re: #175 kirkspencer

Ah, but you forget immaculate conception. God ensured Mary was truly innocent (immaculate) so that his seed wouldn't be contaminated by evil.

So God can wave a magic wand and make sure somebody is innocent and pure and protected -- but won't, except when he wants a booty call.

IIRC, in some time in history a virgin was someone who hadn't had a child. It had nothing to do with the state of one's hymen. Maybe that was the word "maiden".

Either way, this immaculate conception is bullshit --propaganda created to keep people under the thumb of Rome. And to keep wealthy people's money in the right family . . .

SFZ could tell it with more accuracy.

185 iossarian  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:17:31pm

re: #180 AK-47%

That will be the logical next step after a "life begins at conception" law: mothers who lose children before term could find themselves being suspected of having induced the miscarriage...

That already more or less happened with the woman who tried to kill herself while pregnant being prosecuted for the attempted murder of her unborn child. Though to be fair I'm not sure the case ever went anywhere. Could be yet another example of some Republican asshole making up laws to suit themselves until someone with a brain and some authority tells them to STFU.

186 AntonSirius  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:17:39pm

re: #114 Obdicut

See my post. The problem is also with his faith.

It's an incoherent theological belief, even by the standards of theology.

All belief systems are incoherent. If they weren't, faith wouldn't be required in the first place. (cf the Babel Fish argument from Hitchhiker's Guide).

187 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:18:18pm

re: #182 JamesWI

Ha, I like the picture Yahoo has for their story on Trumps "big" news

Image: trump_uni.jpg

Trump looking like a raging jackass, Obama with a "You've got to be shitting me" look on his face.

TRUMP is so last week. Just trying to keep himself relevant, which he can't.

188 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:18:25pm

re: #181 aagcobb

And then you create a theology in which you blame a man and a woman for disobeying God by eating from the tree of knowledge, which makes absolutely no fuckin sense, because they couldn't have known it was wrong to disobey God until after they ate the damn fruit. Which means God is basically a douchebag because he set them up to fail.

Carlin put it best years ago, and I can't surpass him:

Youtube Video
189 GunstarGreen  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:18:38pm

re: #152 aagcobb

Is it? If you believe that God is omniscient, knowing everything that will ever happen, and omnipotent, having absolute control over everything that happens, doesn't that necessarily mean that God is ultimately responsible for everything?

God is only ever responsible for the things we want him to be responsible for.

An omniscient and omnipotent god does, by definition, have ultimate responsibility for everything. Unfortunately, this means that god is also responsible for all evil in the world, and most religious people don't like having to process the idea that evil happens because god allows it to happen. So they usually argue along the lines that god is responsible for all good in the world, and all evil in the world happens because of the folly of man something something something free will.

Epicurus still rings true today, though most are loathe to admit it.

190 Charles Johnson  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:19:19pm

re: #174 Mocking Jay

Shawshank Redemption.

That is all.

My list of the best Stephen King films:

The Shining
The Green Mile
The Shawshank Redemption
The Mist

When I first saw The Shining I actually did not like it very much. Kubrick cut out some very important plot elements from the book, and watered down the supernatural stuff. Now, after seeing it many times and really getting what Kubrick was doing, I think it's a great film -- one of Kubrick's best.

191 RadicalModerate  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:19:20pm

re: #180 AK-47%

That will be the logical next step after a "life begins at conception" law: mothers who lose children before term could find themselves being suspected of having induced the miscarriage...

I'm not referring to the woman in this case - as in the vast majority of those times I'm addressing, all of this takes place without her even knowing that a (potential) pregnancy is taking place.

I'm talking about the omnipotent/omniscient deity that they are all supposedly constantly praying to.

192 kirkspencer  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:19:46pm

re: #176 RadicalModerate

One thing I never understood about the hardcore anti-abortion faction. Since roughly 30-35% of all pregnancies end via spontaneous abortion (either via miscarriage or due to implantation failure), shouldn't these folks be railing against the one responsible for ending more pregnancies in a year's time than have been caused by all medical procedures during the past century?

I have pointed to El Salvador before. The NYT 2006 story was shown to have errors on the edges but the key points were valid: abortions being illegal meant miscarriages were investigated, and there was a network of informers within medical staff who would report suspected bypasses of the law. The result is really bad medical care for pregnant women, up to and including a very high rate of death from ectopic pregnancies.

Yeah, it's in the tube and it'll probably kill her if it breaks the tube. But I can't remove it until it bursts the tube or she and I will both go to prison

193 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:19:57pm

re: #188 Targetpractice

Carlin put it best years ago, and I can't surpass him:

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Don't learn to read, I don't want you to know everthing I tell you is Bullshit.

Kinda like the laws making it illegal to teach a slave to read.

Remember, most women weren't taught to read either.

Keeps the Tyrants in power.

194 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:20:38pm

A question for Charles: can the Guitar God come up with a solo so unrepeatably awesome that even he himself can't play it the same way twice?

195 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:21:54pm

Just when you thought this all mighty bullshit could not get any deeper. . .da fuq with these men and their obsession with the functions of body parts they don't have. . .??

196 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:22:07pm

All my favorite King adaptions are his non-horror stuff: Shawshank, Green Mile, Stand by Me or if's horror, more psychological in nature a la Misery. Kathy Bates really is a terrific actress.

197 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:22:21pm

re: #195 DisturbedEma

Just when you thought this all mighty bullshit could not get any deeper. . .da fuq with these men and their obsession with the functions of body parts they don't have. . .??

Jealousy

198 iossarian  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:22:25pm

re: #189 GunstarGreen

I don't disagree that there are plenty of highly visible god-botherers who do in fact argue in the way you describe. But I think it's worth pointing out that lots of religious people of all stripes have a much more ambivalent view of what god is and does.

I mean, that ambivalence is in the Bible (which happens to be the text I'm most familiar with). It's not all thou shalt and thou shalt not.

199 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:22:37pm

Looks like Amazon has figured out that remotely wiping a persons Kindle and then refusing to say why, wasn't exactly the smartest thing to do.

Amazon quietly un-wipes remotely wiped Kindle

"Never let it be said posting your woes on the internet doesn’t yield results. After Linn Nygaard allowed Norwegian blogger Martin Bekkelund to reveal that Amazon had not only wiped her Kindle without warning but had refused to explain precisely why it had done so, the online retail giant has grudgingly relented and re-instated her account and her purchases."

200 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:22:50pm

So, Paul Ryan's strategy to help the poor? Get rid of contraceptive coverage!

How the fuck is this election close........

201 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:22:53pm

re: #193 ggt

When I saw my first "Women for Romney" bumper sticker, all I could think of was Why? Why would you do this?

202 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:23:36pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

My list of the best Stephen King films:

The Shining
The Green Mile
The Shawshank Redemption
The Mist

When I first saw The Shining I actually did not like it very much. Kubrick cut out some very important plot elements from the book, and watered down the supernatural stuff. Now, after seeing it many times and really getting what Kubrick was doing, I think it's a great film -- one of Kubrick's best.

I hadn't really thought of The Mist, but I have to admit that ending is one of the most haunting I've seen in films recently. I'm still trying to figure out how he managed to get the studio to sign off on it.

203 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:23:40pm

re: #197 ggt

Maybe, but control comes to mind- as in "they left the kitchen, got the vote, so we need a way to keep them in line"

204 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:24:55pm

re: #200 JamesWI

So, Paul Ryan's strategy to help the poor? Get rid of contraceptive coverage!

How the fuck is this election close........

People are stupid. Hate to sound jaded but it's simple as that. In a fair world, Romney is seen almost universally as a fraud who will say anything to get elected.

205 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:25:06pm

re: #200 JamesWI

So, Paul Ryan's strategy to help the poor? Get rid of contraceptive coverage!

How the fuck is this election close........

on my fb

Have to learn that up is down logic --no bad idea.

206 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:25:21pm

re: #200 JamesWI

He continues his campaign to keep his seat as well. . .covering the bases. . .sort of. . .

207 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:25:38pm

re: #202 Targetpractice

I hadn't really thought of The Mist, but I have to admit that ending is one of the most haunting I've seen in films recently. I'm still trying to figure out how he managed to get the studio to sign off on it.

God, that ending. Just devastating.

208 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:25:58pm

re: #200 JamesWI

So, Paul Ryan's strategy to help the poor? Get rid of contraceptive coverage!

How the fuck is this election close........

How's it close? Voter amnesia. Every 4 years, people forget what things were like 4 years ago.

209 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:26:04pm

re: #203 DisturbedEma

Maybe, but control comes to mind- as in "they left the kitchen, got the vote, so we need a way to keep them in line"

We get to bring life into the world, something they are utterly powerless over.

The one thing most men say when they see the birth of their first child --"I felt so powerless, so helpless, there was nothing I could do"

Frankly, I'd gladly give my lady parts to some guy who wants them.

210 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:26:19pm

eagerly awaiting ryan's speech on better living through tax cuts

211 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:27:49pm

re: #208 Targetpractice

How's it close? Voter amnesia. Every 4 years, people forget what things were like 4 years ago.

That too. Plus I think the electorate is ridiculously impatient. Obama didn't fix things totally in four years so let's elect a guy who proposes much of the same crap that got us in the mess to start with. If I didn't think Romney's policies would be so bad for the country, I'd like to see him become the victim of voter amnesia but my desire is greater to see Obama get a second term than Romney to get his just desserts.

212 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:28:10pm

Friend told me that Ben Stein said on Fox News that taxes need to be raised.

I missed that --anyone know about it?

213 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:28:52pm

re: #212 ggt

Friend told me that Ben Stein said on Fox News that taxes need to be raised.

I missed that --anyone know about it?

Said it a couple days back on F&F. They thought he was joking at first.

214 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:28:55pm

re: #209 ggt

That should've been my first clue about my ex husband, he didn't react that way. . .

But yes, you're right, that is a pretty powerful position for a woman to have, life giver.

215 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:28:56pm

re: #212 ggt

Friend told me that Ben Stein said on Fox News that taxes need to be raised.

I missed that --anyone know about it?

I would guess he meant requiring low income Americans to pay income taxes.

216 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:29:08pm

re: #208 Targetpractice

How's it close? Voter amnesia. Every 4 years, people forget what things were like 4 years ago.

Well, it'd be easy to forget little things like that when you don't have contraception coverage and as a result are busy, literally, 24 hours day raising children.

217 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:29:10pm

front page of foxnews website looking very much like the national enquirer today

218 iossarian  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:29:17pm

re: #212 ggt

Friend told me that Ben Stein said on Fox News that taxes need to be raised.

I missed that --anyone know about it?

On poor people. Taxes need to be raised on people making $42,000 a year or less.

Fuckin' moochers.

219 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:30:19pm

Voter amnesia

certain politicians coming around in big black cars offering free candy to the gullible

220 GunstarGreen  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:30:24pm

re: #198 iossarian

Leviticus is an entire book of Thou Shalt and Thou Shalt Not.

But then, my view of the christian faith is colored by having grown up in a family that was alternately Southern Baptist and Presbyterian. My formative years were full of "God's Will" and "Mysterious Ways" and lots of other things that did not make any logical sense even to my young mind, and questions were always answered in the manner I described, from the pastors on down to the rank-and-file.

221 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:30:52pm

re: #215 aagcobb

I would guess he meant requiring low income Americans to pay income taxes.

No, he actually did say that the taxes on the rich are too low and need to go up to increase revenue.

222 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:31:08pm

re: #212 ggt

Friend told me that Ben Stein said on Fox News that taxes need to be raised.

I missed that --anyone know about it?

Yeah he did. I was honestly shocked since this is a guy who engages in such mental gymnastic exercises like comparing evolutionary theory to Nazi racial theory.

223 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:31:27pm

re: #138 aagcobb

The funny thing is Stephen King didn't like it, and its probably the best movie ever made from one of his horror stories.

Clarification: King doesn't care for the Kubrick/Nicholson version, but he had to tone down his criticism of Kubrick in order to be able to write the teleplay for the 1997 ABC miniseries "remake" with Stephen Weber and Rebecca DeMornay, which was much more faithful to the book:

The creation of this miniseries is attributed to Stephen King's dissatisfaction with director Stanley Kubrick's 1980 film of the same name.[1] In order to receive Kubrick's approval to re-adapt The Shining into a program closer to the original story, King had to agree in writing to eschew his frequent public criticism of Kubrick's film, save for the sole commentary that he was disappointed with Jack Nicholson's portrayal of Jack Torrance as though he had been insane before his arrival at the Overlook Hotel.[2][3]

224 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:31:49pm

re: #212 ggt

Friend told me that Ben Stein said on Fox News that taxes need to be raised.

I missed that --anyone know about it?

Stein was big on Simpson-Bowles. Though he was talking about only raising taxes on the SUPER rich people (like over $2 million a year)....which would still do nothing, since there aren't enough of those people to actually help the deficit.

225 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:32:08pm

re: #211 HappyWarrior

That too. Plus I think the electorate is ridiculously impatient. Obama didn't fix things totally in four years so let's elect a guy who proposes much of the same crap that got us in the mess to start with. If I didn't think Romney's policies would be so bad for the country, I'd like to see him become the victim of voter amnesia but my desire is greater to see Obama get a second term than Romney to get his just desserts.

We're an instant gratification society. If we get two choices, one shitty but instant and one good but a week away, we'll pick the shitty one and hope we can make the "best" of it. In this case, Romney out there saying "I'll give you 12 million jobs!," in his best used car salesman pitch, and people are going "Well, it's worth a shot."

226 RadicalModerate  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:32:29pm

re: #201 DisturbedEma

When I saw my first "Women for Romney" bumper sticker, all I could think of was Why? Why would you do this?

I can't put my finger on exactly what it is for some reason, but there's something a bit off here.

Image: Women_for_Mitt.jpeg

227 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:33:27pm

It's funny. I'm not a huge Kubrick fan but the 1980 Shining is one of my favorite horror movies ever. I've tried getting into Kubrick and while I respect that he was obviously a talented director, I just can't get into him. I also prefer Platoon and from what I've seen of Apocalypse Now to Full Metal Jacket though I love the first part of FMJ with R Lee Ermey and Vincent D'Onafario especially because like "Gomer Pyle" I too smile when I'm nervous and being yelled at. We called it a "Pyle smile" in my house growing up.

228 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:33:41pm

re: #226 RadicalModerate

Those are some large women. . .;)

229 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:34:37pm

re: #228 DisturbedEma

Those are some large women. . .;)

Just being gentlemen and saving the women from having to do any hard work...

230 iossarian  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:35:11pm

re: #220 GunstarGreen

Leviticus is an entire book of Thou Shalt and Thou Shalt Not.

But then, my view of the christian faith is colored by having grown up in a family that was alternately Southern Baptist and Presbyterian. My formative years were full of "God's Will" and "Mysterious Ways" and lots of other things that did not make any logical sense even to my young mind, and questions were always answered in the manner I described, from the pastors on down to the rank-and-file.

Oh sure, there's a whole lot of thou shalt and thou shalt not in there.

My only point is that there is quite a bit of stuff that is much more mystical in the Bible, and that doesn't particularly fit with the "angry god in the clouds" pseudo-worldview that the "rape is great!" crowd espouse.

231 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:35:16pm

re: #228 DisturbedEma

Those are some large women. . .;)

it seems being a mitt woman involves some hormonal issues

232 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:35:25pm

CNN......What a fucking joke.

Do hormones drive women's votes?

While the campaigns eagerly pursue female voters, there’s something that may raise the chances for both presidential candidates that’s totally out of their control: women’s ovulation cycles.

You read that right. New research suggest that hormones may influence female voting choices differently, depending on whether a woman is single or in a committed relationship.

233 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:35:54pm

re: #225 Targetpractice

We're an instant gratification society. If we get two choices, one shitty but instant and one good but a week away, we'll pick the shitty one and hope we can make the "best" of it. In this case, Romney out there saying "I'll give you 12 million jobs!," in his best used car salesman pitch, and people are going "Well, it's worth a shot."

Yeah, I think you're illustrating it better than I can.

234 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:36:11pm

'course, if you want a grand example of the effects of voter amnesia, look at how the Romney campaign is out there, playing up Obama's campaign promise in '08 of cutting the deficit in half, while Willard himself is starting to admit that some of his own initiatives will take two terms to accomplish.

235 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:36:57pm

re: #231 engineer cat

Indeed! :)

236 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:37:13pm

re: #232 JamesWI

CNN......What a fucking joke.

Do hormones drive women's votes?

Yeah because women's hormones not their own rational choices are why single women especially prefer Obama to Romney. Not the fact that Romney's policies plain old suck. Really CNN is starting to approach the Fox level when it comes to sensationalist bullshit disguised as news for me.

237 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:37:29pm

Whatever Mitt says or does, he is still not Obama, and that carries a lot of weight in a lot of demographic groups.

238 darthstar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:37:48pm
239 iossarian  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:37:54pm

re: #226 RadicalModerate

I can't put my finger on exactly what it is for some reason, but there's something a bit off here.

Image: Women_for_Mitt.jpeg

That is sad. "Not only do I tell my wife how to vote, I also make broader political activity decisions for her."

240 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:38:07pm

re: #232 JamesWI

Fucking A the stupidity continues! I mean really??

241 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:38:19pm

re: #190 Charles Johnson

My list of the best Stephen King films:
(snip)
I think it's a great film -- one of Kubrick's best.

That's just it - it's a great Kubrick film. It's a poor King film. Two very different critters.

I'm a far bigger fan of his books anyway and have the best memorys of reading The Dead Zone.

242 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:38:55pm

re: #239 iossarian

And I don't trust her to hold the banner. . .

243 darthstar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:39:01pm

re: #239 iossarian

That is sad. "Not only do I tell my wife how to vote, I also make broader political activity decisions for her."

She'd be here marching, but she's breast-feeding the panda right now.

244 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:39:11pm

re: #232 JamesWI

CNN......What a fucking joke.

Do hormones drive women's votes?

And is there a study about Testosterone affecting men's votes?

245 Sionainn  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:39:18pm

re: #130 blueraven

They must be really worried about how they are polling with these groups.

Why would they be trying to shore up the minority vote now with a major speech? A little late for that. Nevada and possibly Colorado might be bothering them, which they need to get to 270.
Romney in Nevada today.

If you go the gallery, you can see photos of the crowd at the Romney rally yesterday in Las Vegas. It looks completely different than an Obama crowd...speaking from experience.

246 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:40:07pm

re: #241 William Barnett-Lewis

I liked his Bachman stories- "Sometimes they come back" is just plain scary because I could see myself doing that. . .just creepy

247 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:41:00pm

re: #243 darthstar

Yep, perfectly acceptable reason to stay home:)

248 RadicalModerate  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:41:03pm

re: #232 JamesWI

CNN......What a fucking joke.

Do hormones drive women's votes?

The most controversial part of the study is not only that hormonal cycles are linked to women’s preferences for candidates and voting behaviors, but also that single women who are ovulating are more likely to be socially liberal, and relationship-committed women are more likely to be socially conservative, said Paul Kellstedt, associate professor of political science at Texas A&M University.

Well, I think I found your methodology problem with this study.

249 kirkspencer  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:41:27pm

re: #245 Sionainn

If you go the gallery, you can see photos of the crowd at the Romney rally yesterday in Las Vegas. It looks completely different than an Obama crowd...speaking from experience.

Wow. photo 9 - wide open aisles, empty seats. Yeah, that's enthusiasm.

250 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:42:20pm

re: #248 RadicalModerate

I must have missed the part during undergrad where endocrinology was part of the course study for political science degrees.

251 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:42:24pm

On the subject of horror, I'd have to say my favorite horror video game series of all time is Silent Hill. I liked Resident Evil but Silent Hill I think was and is a more darker series.

252 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:43:52pm

re: #236 HappyWarrior

Yeah because women's hormones not their own rational choices are why single women especially prefer Obama to Romney. Not the fact that Romney's policies plain old suck. Really CNN is starting to approach the Fox level when it comes to sensationalist bullshit disguised as news for me.

Here’s how Durante explains this: When women are ovulating, they “feel sexier,” and therefore lean more toward liberal attitudes on abortion and marriage equality. Married women have the same hormones firing, but tend to take the opposite viewpoint on these issues, she says.

this has something to do with voting?

Oh, we are just fickle creatures --we change our minds every 14 to 28 days?

WTF?

I'd like to see how men's voting habits change in relation to football season.

253 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:43:54pm

Stupid single women just don't know that Mitt rules. //

254 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:45:25pm

re: #252 ggt

Yes, nothing makes me strut around like a hussy more than ovulating and voting at the same time, I become Ema Fierce!

255 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:45:28pm

re: #252 ggt

this has something to do with voting?

Oh, we are just fickle creatures --we change our minds every 14 to 28 days?

WTF?

I'd like to see how men's voting habits change in relation to football season.

I definitely do get more apolitical in sports season especially if my team is doing well. But yeah this is a joke. My mother's been married 29 years and holds plenty of what one would call socially liberal views. i think our stances on issues are more related to how we're raised and what we experience.

256 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:46:09pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

On the subject of horror, I'd have to say my favorite horror video game series of all time is Silent Hill. I liked Resident Evil but Silent Hill I think was and is a more darker series.

The last possession movie with Anthony Hopkins --I don't believe in this shit --the Exorcist didn't scare me.

This movie scared the shit out of me. So well acted and so well done.

257 blueraven  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:46:39pm

re: #232 JamesWI

CNN......What a fucking joke.

Do hormones drive women's votes?

I am surprised they forgot to say the womens vote depends on the fullness of the moon.

258 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:47:09pm

re: #254 DisturbedEma

Hmmm why did I say hussy? I think I took that quote to mean I become sluttier when I ovulate, so I shouldn't vote? Not sure but that was where my mind went. . .odd.

259 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:47:22pm

Waxing moon: Romney surge, waning moon: Obama surge

260 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:47:54pm

re: #257 blueraven

I am surprised they forgot to say the womens vote depends on the fullness of the moon.

And the size of her breasts. You know a full-breasted women feels more womanly. Small breasted women probably feel more like men and will vote accordingly.

How many more stupid theories can we find funding to research?

261 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:48:46pm

re: #256 ggt

The last possession movie with Anthony Hopkins --I don't believe in this shit --the Exorcist didn't scare me.

This movie scared the shit out of me. So well acted and so well done.

Insidious scared me. I'll tell you what disappointed me was The Ring. That came out my sophomore year of high school and I remember an upperclassman I had a class with telling me that it was the scariest movie he had ever seen. It was a let down. Honestly films about real life people scare me more than anything. I'm also more scared of psychological stuff than monsters or slashers.

262 iossarian  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:48:52pm

re: #260 ggt

And the size of her breasts. You know a full-breasted women
...

You just lost 50% of your readership.

263 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:49:05pm

re: #237 AK-47%

Whatever Mitt says or does, he is still not Obama, and that carries a lot of weight in a lot of demographic groups.

looks to me like the mitt campaign has decided that the best strategy is for mitt to run as a democrat who is not obama

264 darthstar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:49:13pm

re: #257 blueraven

I am surprised they forgot to say the womens vote depends on the fullness of the moon.

Half moon, waning on November 6. Not good news for Obama. Nov. 4, 2008 it was almost a half moon, but waxing (getting fuller).
//

265 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:49:16pm

re: #260 ggt

Body hair, those women that choose to have lazer treatments feel more womanly, women who shave or don't feel more manly. . .I'll call CNN and see if I can get the lead story. . .//

266 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:49:33pm

re: #262 iossarian

You just lost 50% of your readership.

teehee --got a bit distracted?

267 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:49:59pm

re: #232 JamesWI

CNN......What a fucking joke.

Do hormones drive women's votes?

Women aren't the only ones with hormones. I could say that men vote for Mitt because of testosterone poisoning. But I won't.

268 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:50:02pm

re: #259 AK-47%

Waxing moon: Romney surge, waning moon: Obama surge

wimmen stuff are controlling th' elekshun!

269 darthstar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:50:15pm

re: #259 AK-47%

Waxing moon: Romney surge, waning moon: Obama surge

Romney's waning...wait, we don't need to talk about the moon...Romney is waning.

270 Joanne  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:51:12pm

re: #180 AK-47%

That will be the logical next step after a "life begins at conception" law: mothers who lose children before term could find themselves being suspected of having induced the miscarriage...

Wasn't that enacted in a state last year? I seem to recall.... Google, here I come.

271 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:52:36pm

re: #200 JamesWI

Every sperm is sacred™. Every raped woman must bring child to term. But once delivered, no care or support to that woman.

272 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:53:14pm

re: #270 Joanne

Mississippi I think

273 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:53:24pm

re: #267 wrenchwench

Women aren't the only ones with hormones. I could say that men vote for Mitt because of testosterone poisoning. But I won't.

That's what makes this all so absurd.

274 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:53:55pm

re: #261 HappyWarrior

Insidious scared me. I'll tell you what disappointed me was The Ring. That came out my sophomore year of high school and I remember an upperclassman I had a class with telling me that it was the scariest movie he had ever seen. It was a let down. Honestly films about real life people scare me more than anything. I'm also more scared of psychological stuff than monsters or slashers.

Yeah, the supossed "based on true events" is what got me about "The Rite". That there is really a Exorcist department at the Vatican--in itself is a freak-out. While I do believe that some mental illness that can't be alleviated with the current medical treatments can be --well, give the patient some level of functionality --thru the power-of-suggestion. I don't think Holy Water and shit is the way to go.

275 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:54:00pm

re: #272 DisturbedEma

Not sure if it passed. . .

276 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:54:30pm

re: #271 lawhawk

Every sperm is sacred™. Every raped woman must bring child to term. But once delivered, no care or support to that woman.

children shouldn't be rewarded for a poor choice of parents

277 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:54:47pm

re: #271 lawhawk

Every sperm is sacred™. Every raped woman must bring child to term. But once delivered, no care or support to that woman.

Wait, isn't there a song?

278 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:55:11pm

re: #277 ggt

Monty Python I believe

279 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:55:35pm

re: #273 HappyWarrior

That's what makes this all so absurd.

People make decisions for all kinds of weird reasons. I think hormones take a back seat to things like peer pressure, marketing, and coin-flipping.

280 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:56:01pm

From the Meaning of Life;

Youtube Video
281 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:56:15pm

re: #268 engineer cat

wimmen stuff are controlling th' elekshun!

The HORROR! the HERESY!!!

282 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:56:41pm

re: #279 wrenchwench

People make decisions for all kinds of weird reasons. I think hormones take a back seat to things like peer pressure, marketing, and coin-flipping.

Right, I'm saying, it's absurd to suggest that only women's voting is effected by their hormones.

283 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:56:54pm

re: #201 DisturbedEma

When I saw my first "Women for Romney" bumper sticker, all I could think of was Why? Why would you do this?

Should be "Woman for Romney."

284 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:56:56pm

re: #281 ggt

Shudder- mind goes right to "burn her at the stake!"

285 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:56:59pm

There are more women than men. I'm skeered.

286 kirkspencer  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:57:02pm

re: #270 Joanne

Wasn't that enacted in a state last year? I seem to recall.... Google, here I come.

Not enacted, yet. Georgia's 2011-2012 session HB1, which has been to the house's second reading. That means it's nominally up for vote when the speaker wants to put it up, after which it goes to the senate and, if passed, to the governor's desk.

287 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:57:47pm

re: #285 HappyWarrior

There are more women than men. I'm skeered.

Just do what you are told and I promise, you will be a very, very happy man.

:)

288 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:57:49pm

re: #283 Someone Please Beam Me Up!

Good point- don't include me in your insane bullshit Romneywoman!

289 A Mom Anon  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:57:52pm

I keep trying to type a coherent response to all this and I just start to cry and end up making no sense each time.

A few years ago I read some accounts from doctors and nurses who work at abortion clinics. Some of the same women they would see protesting and screaming at other women entering the clinics would show up for their own abortions unknown to the anti choice groups they belong to. According to some of these accounts these same women were back protesting after their own abortions.

I think the anti choice groups have done a good job of spreading so many lies and outright bullshit about abortion that people truly think that women have abortions with the same ease and lack of thought that you'd give getting a pedicure. That we have abortions because a baby might interfere with our vacation plans or going drinking at the bar on the weekend. It's fucking disgusting. Their abortions are ok,because they aren't evil and slutty. The rest of us had it coming and deserve no choice or say in our lives.

290 kirkspencer  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:58:12pm

re: #201 DisturbedEma

When I saw my first "Women for Romney" bumper sticker, all I could think of was Why? Why would you do this?

Because the president is a ni*CLANG.

291 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:58:19pm

re: #287 ggt

Just do what you are told and I promise, you will be a very, very happy man.

:)

This sounds like my mom talking to my dad.

292 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:58:21pm

re: #286 kirkspencer

Did Mississippi pass theirs?

293 darthstar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:58:47pm

Sorry...you can't blame the lighting if the base colors are consistent.

294 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 12:59:37pm

re: #289 A Mom Anon

I keep trying to type a coherent response to all this and I just start to cry and end up making no sense each time.

A few years ago I read some accounts from doctors and nurses who work at abortion clinics. Some of the same women they would see protesting and screaming at other women entering the clinics would show up for their own abortions unknown to the anti choice groups they belong to. According to some of these accounts these same women were back protesting after their own abortions.

I think the anti choice groups have done a good job of spreading so many lies and outright bullshit about abortion that people truly think that women have abortions with the same ease and lack of thought that you'd give getting a pedicure. That we have abortions because a baby might interfere with our vacation plans or going drinking at the bar on the weekend. It's fucking disgusting. Their abortions are ok,because they aren't evil and slutty. The rest of us had it coming and deserve no choice or say in our lives.

I want to smack anyone who uses the word 'convenience' in a conversation about abortion.

295 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:00:11pm

re: #280 Kragar

From the Meaning of Life;

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Can you image these kids as adults. "How did you spend your childhood?"

296 darthstar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:00:13pm

Nevada...fuck yeah! (This helps kill the Ohio is critical to Obama winning meme)

297 kirkspencer  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:00:56pm

re: #292 DisturbedEma

Did Mississippi pass theirs?

Proposition 26 was defeated at the polls.

298 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:01:36pm

re: #288 DisturbedEma

Or me.

299 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:01:52pm

Personal opinion: Science has done more to illuminate God's work than religion ever has.

I'm a devout agnostic. I believe in the possibility of a higher power, but no person can claim to speak on its behalf with out being full of shit.

300 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:02:15pm

re: #295 ggt

Can you image these kids as adults. "How did you spend your childhood?"

Being fucking awesome.

301 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:03:10pm

re: #294 wrenchwench

I want to smack anyone who uses the word 'convenience' in a conversation about abortion.

or "taking the easy way out"

302 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:03:23pm

re: #297 kirkspencer

Good to know, thanks, lost track of that one

303 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:03:32pm

I've been watching The Men Who Built America on the History Channel.

The series focuses on "Commodore" Cornelius Vanderbilt (shipping and railroad magnate), John D. Rockefeller (oil and its derivatives), Andrew Carnegie (steel), Henry Ford (automobile manufacturing), and J.P. Morgan (finance).

The production is built around some basic but nicely produced dramatizations interspersed with interviews. The subjects are neither demonized nor lionized, but portrayed as actual human beings. Their virtues and faults; the vision, genius, work ethic, and ruthlessness are treated as they manifested themselves. All were robber-barons who destroyed competitors and exploited working people. This is not a modern interpretation that disregards context either: They were widely vilified within their own lifetimes. This faded for a while as soon as they were dead but has been revived in recent years as modern robber-barons have followed their example.
Andrew Carnegie, for example, was treated almost as a saint in the histories I saw as a child. He did many, many noble things with his money too, but he acquired that wealth in part by the ruthless, even murderous, exploitation of his workers. He was also cowardly at times, hiding out in Scotland while his thuggish chairman, Henry Frick, did the dirty work of suppressing the Homestead strike of 1892.
What is interesting to me is the way the production illustrates the operation of business and free enterprise in a largely unregulated, basically libertarian, environment. These men actually suppressed free enterprise, and mitigated the advantages of competition, by constructing monopolies and corrupting politics. They did this largely because they could. If they hadn't taken the opportunity, someone else would have. The way to prevent this is to eliminate the opportunity, as a century of legislation has attempted to do.
It is interesting to look at the vast philanthropies the robber barons carried on later in life. Part of this was to clean up their image and historical reputation, but part of it, especially for Rockefeller and Carnegie, was based on a sincere conviction that not everything worthwhile could be funded by free market forces. This lesson is lost on many business people and pro-business politicians today.

304 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:03:53pm

re: #299 Kragar

Personal opinion: Science has done more to illuminate God's work than religion ever has.

I'm a devout agnostic. I believe in the possibility of a higher power, but no person can claim to speak on its behalf with out being full of shit.

If you insist on a strict, literal reading of the Bible, then you have to reject science. And you have to reject logic as the Bible contradicts itself in several places.

305 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:04:05pm

re: #299 Kragar

Personal opinion: Science has done more to illuminate God's work than religion ever has.

I'm a devout agnostic. I believe in the possibility of a higher power, but no person can claim to speak on its behalf with out being full of shit.

Yes, the wonder of it all. . .well, get's me a bit more excited than ovulation does.

306 erik_t  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:04:18pm

re: #304 AK-47%

If you insist on a strict, literal reading of the Bible, then you have to reject science. And you have to reject logic as the Bible contradicts itself in several places.

The Bible was much better in its original Klingon.

307 darthstar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:04:26pm
308 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:04:28pm

re: #300 Kragar

Being fucking awesome.

"singing about sperm . . .yes, I still get residuals on that one."

309 A Mom Anon  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:04:49pm

re: #294 wrenchwench

I'm old enough to remember the hushed stories told about women who had abortions prior to Roe V Wade. A woman on our block nearly died from a massive infection. One of my grandmothers knew a woman who died and left 5 kids and a husband behind.

I can't fucking believe we're still having this damned argument 40 yrs after Roe. The GOP needs to fucking knock it off,they've had ample time and opportunity to make abortion illegal again and they haven't. Why is that? Hmm.

310 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:04:56pm

Abortion is an issue as a man that I really feel it's not my place to judge a woman at all. I can't and will not do that especially if the woman is a rape victim. The attitudes of Mourdock, Akin, etc infuriate me not just because of their callousness but because of how little empathy these guys have for women.

311 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:05:59pm

re: #305 ggt

Yes, the wonder of it all. . .well, get's me a bit more excited than ovulation does.

I'm more impressed with a deity who can plan over several billion years to slowly create the world we live in via observable processes than the deity who says "POOF! WORLDS DONE! NOW LOVE ME!"

312 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:06:10pm

Geez Netflix, you got a boatload of bad zombie B-movies, but you don't have the king of them all, Return of the Living Dead? Shame!

313 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:06:45pm

re: #312 Targetpractice

Geez Netflix, you got a boatload of bad zombie B-movies, but you don't have the king of them all, Return of the Living Dead? Shame!

Do they have Zombie Strippers? Most awesomely bizzare zombie movie ever.

314 Skip Intro  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:07:09pm

re: #166 Sheila Broflovski

WTF. Pam has to Trump Donald.

[Embedded content]

Did everybody miss the weasel words in Trump's "offer".

"When he does that, to my satisfaction, blah blah blah blah blah"

Trump has no intention of writing as much as a $5.00 check, no matter what Obama does. All he would do is raise another ten thousand questions about every single thing released.

Does he really think Obama is as dumb as the people who take him seriously?

315 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:07:45pm

re: #309 A Mom Anon

I'm old enough to remember the hushed stories told about women who had abortions prior to Roe V Wade. A woman on our block nearly died from a massive infection. One of my grandmothers knew a woman who died and left 5 kids and a husband behind.

I can't fucking believe we're still having this damned argument 40 yrs after Roe. The GOP needs to fucking knock it off,they've had ample time and opportunity to make abortion illegal again and they haven't. Why is that? Hmm.

And I still can't believe that fucking Cokie Roberts called it a 'settled issue' on Monday.

And that fucking Republicans are blaming Democrats for making it an issue 'as a distraction'.

316 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:08:02pm

re: #314 Skip Intro

Did everybody miss the weasel words in Trump's "offer".

"When he does that, to my satisfaction, blah blah blah blah blah"

Trump has no intention of writing as much as a $5.00 check, no matter what Obama does. All he would do is raise another ten thousand questions about every single thing released.

Does he really think Obama is as dumb as the people who take him seriously?

Yes and yes some more. Trump's a delusional narcissistic dimwit.

317 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:08:55pm

re: #303 Shiplord Kirel

I read the last tome on the Commodore.

Amazing ability to sculpt the corporation concept. Way above my ability to grasp. Thru all of what he did, he brought mass transit and the concept "The weekend" to the masses --he changed us. For good or not.

Left me kinda in a awe. Like the 2nd of Robert Caro's series on LBJ. I closed that book and said to myself "Well, I guess things happen as they happen"

Difficult to place value or morally on such things, I just try to accept.

318 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:09:25pm

re: #314 Skip Intro

Did everybody miss the weasel words in Trump's "offer".

"When he does that, to my satisfaction, blah blah blah blah blah"

Trump has no intention of writing as much as a $5.00 check, no matter what Obama does. All he would do is raise another ten thousand questions about every single thing released.

Does he really think Obama is as dumb as the people who take him seriously?

He thinks its a win-win for him. Either Obama refuses and Trump can try to make hay out of how the president "has something to hide." Or he does release his records and Trump weasels out of it by saying he's "not satisfied."

319 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:09:39pm

re: #306 erik_t

The Bible was much better in its original Klingon.

So was Shakespeare...

320 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:09:43pm

re: #315 wrenchwench

And I still can't believe that fucking Cokie Roberts called it a 'settled issue' on Monday.

And that fucking Republicans are blaming Democrats for making it an issue 'as a distraction'.

They're blaming Democrats. That's laughable as hell knowing what the Republicans have done here in Virginia. Would have been worse but people here raised holy hell when the vaginal ultrasound bill got brought to public attention. Only reason why I think McDonnell backed out of this is because he's got national ambitions and he knew it would make him look like a total tool.

321 kirkspencer  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:09:57pm

re: #309 A Mom Anon

I'm old enough to remember the hushed stories told about women who had abortions prior to Roe V Wade. A woman on our block nearly died from a massive infection. One of my grandmothers knew a woman who died and left 5 kids and a husband behind.

I can't fucking believe we're still having this damned argument 40 yrs after Roe. The GOP needs to fucking knock it off,they've had ample time and opportunity to make abortion illegal again and they haven't. Why is that? Hmm.

One of my sisters-in-law came very close to bleeding out from a botched home abortion. What saddens me is she's very much at home in the RWNJ camp, saying how evil abortions are.

322 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:10:24pm

re: #311 Kragar

I'm more impressed with a deity who can plan over several billion years to slowly create the world we live in via observable processes than the deity who says "POOF! WORLDS DONE! NOW LOVE ME!"

Delaying rewards is a difficult thing.

323 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:11:29pm

re: #319 MittDoesNotCompute

So was Shakespeare...

I hear the Ferengi Rules of Acquisition are really coded in the Psalms.

324 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:11:39pm

re: #308 ggt

"singing about sperm . . .yes, I still get residuals on that one."

I see what you did there...

325 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:12:01pm

re: #320 HappyWarrior

They're blaming Democrats. That's laughable as hell knowing what the Republicans have done here in Virginia. Would have been worse but people here raised holy hell when the vaginal ultrasound bill got brought to public attention. Only reason why I think McDonnell backed out of this is because he's got national ambitions and he knew it would make him look like a total tool.

The bolded is the whole point, they've been getting away with a lot of this shit by either A) burying it in unrelated bills or B) quietly moving these bills through legislatures where they have majority control. The fall-back, when caught in the open, is to do what they did here in VA: Argue that it's actually a "good thing" because it's just "information," it's not like they're forcing women to...oh, they are...well, it's "information."

326 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:12:10pm

re: #321 kirkspencer

One of my sisters-in-law came very close to bleeding out from a botched home abortion. What saddens me is she's very much at home in the RWNJ camp, saying how evil abortions are.

That's great, just don't let her even try to define evil for ME.

327 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:13:42pm

re: #318 Targetpractice

My "favorite" quote from this asshat was about him claiming that he had had success in "making" Obama show him his long form birth certificate, "or whatever it was" What a douche!

328 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:13:59pm

re: #318 Targetpractice

He thinks its a win-win for him. Either Obama refuses and Trump can try to make hay out of how the president "has something to hide." Or he does release his records and Trump weasels out of it by saying he's "not satisfied."

It gets him attention, and that is fine. No normal person takes this offer seriously, even without delving into the escape clauses.

329 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:14:28pm

re: #306 erik_t

The Bible was much better in its original Klingon.

So was Star Trek

330 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:14:58pm

re: #325 Targetpractice

The bolded is the whole point, they've been getting away with a lot of this shit by either A) burying it in unrelated bills or B) quietly moving these bills through legislatures where they have majority control. The fall-back, when caught in the open, is to do what they did here in VA: Argue that it's actually a "good thing" because it's just "information," it's not like they're forcing women to...oh, they are...well, it's "information."

Yeah, you live here in Virginia. The clinic regulation was something that they sneaked in on an unrelated bill. And McDonnell's actions throughout the whole episode made me all the more upset that Creigh Deeds ran such a bad campaign. McDonnell was able to portray himself as a reasonable moderate and he's not that at all.

331 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:15:47pm

re: #313 HappyWarrior

Do they have Zombie Strippers? Most awesomely bizzare zombie movie ever.

Yes, I think so.

332 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:16:23pm

re: #326 ggt

Yup agreed

333 A Mom Anon  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:17:18pm

re: #331 aagcobb

There's also Vampire Hookers. It's got a catchy theme song too.

334 Interesting Times  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:17:27pm
335 HappyWarrior  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:19:35pm

re: #333 A Mom Anon

There's also Vampire Hookers. It's got a catchy theme song too.

What's next, werewolf escorts?
[Link: www.imdb.com...]
(This one, Dead Snow, a Norwegian film about Nazi zombies was probably the weirdest though.) My younger brother showed me a funny video pondering on what makes Nazi Zombies evil- is it because they're Nazis or is it because they're Zombies. I also have to confess that I am sick of zombies but don't let my brother know that since he loves zombies.

336 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:19:47pm

re: #334 Interesting Times

Why do men get Spidey senses and we always have to be told we're "hormonal" "PMSing" or my personal favorite, a "Menstrual Case" (isn't that cute?) Feh!

337 leftynyc  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:20:40pm

re: #327 DisturbedEma

My "favorite" quote from this asshat was about him claiming that he had had success in "making" Obama show him his long form birth certificate, "or whatever it was" What a douche!

I hope he's choking on the fact that not one serious person on his side of the aisle is taking this seriously. Almost universal mocking.

338 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:21:56pm

re: #337 leftynyc

I hope so too, but he probably surrounds himself with his own Echo Chamber choir paid by the hour, well below minimum wage. . .

339 Interesting Times  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:22:22pm

If you don't already follow @KailiJoy, I'd hormonally highly recommend it:

340 kirkspencer  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:22:56pm

re: #338 DisturbedEma

I hope so too, but he probably surrounds himself with his own Echo Chamber choir paid by the hour, well below minimum wage. . .

And part-time, so there are no required benefits. Heck, if he can swing it they're independent contractors.

341 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:24:05pm

re: #339 Interesting Times

If you don't already follow @KailiJoy, I'd hormonally highly recommend it:

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I just did.

342 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:24:39pm

re: #93 AK-47%

You mean you don't believe in doggie heaven/hell?

All dogs go to heaven because the cats know that hell will be much more fun.

343 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:25:02pm

What I would like to see in an election? Something along the lines of the movie Crazy People, except with a politician. And in real life not Bullworth. If politicians got the Liar Liar wish on them and were unable to lie during their campaigns and tenure. . .just wondering how that would play out in general

344 GunstarGreen  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:25:03pm

re: #289 A Mom Anon

Much like "Get the Gub'Mint out of my Medicare", people rail against it right up to the point that it benefits them personally, then neatly step over that little hole and keep right on going. See Also: Lousiana school vouchers for religious schools, but not that one awful furren religion I don't like.

Humans are disgusting hypocrites.

345 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:25:19pm

re: #342 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

All dogs go to heaven because the cats know that hell will be much more fun.

Except Hitler's dog. And the evil Lassie.

346 iossarian  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:26:59pm

re: #344 GunstarGreen

Much like "Get the Gub'Mint out of my Medicare", people rail against it right up to the point that it benefits them personally, then neatly step over that little hole and keep right on going. See Also: Lousiana school vouchers for religious schools, but not that one awful furren religion I don't like.

Humans are disgusting hypocrites.

We had DF on here a few days ago admitting that he votes Democratic for the Cook County water preservation guy, because keeping the water pristine benefits him directly (and presumably he realizes that a Republican would just sell the river to some mercury-dumping outfit and pocket the money).

347 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:28:34pm

I don't watch much TV, when I do it's often a re-run of something I never knew existed. Hubby was watching a re-run of Everyone Loves Raymond. It was an episode about his wife's PMS. She was in denial and he wanted her to go on meds.

I thought, why don't you just start picking-up your socks? Aren't you listening to her AT ALL?

348 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:28:47pm

re: #346 iossarian

Just can't figure that guy out- he get unemployment, but wantes programs like that ended, he states that many of the positions held by Romney are suspect, but will vote for him anyway. . .just don't get him

349 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:29:44pm

re: #347 ggt

Because she was being unreasonable? Oh wait. . .;)

350 Interesting Times  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:29:50pm

Pro-life!

351 Joanne  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:30:02pm

re: #272 DisturbedEma

[Link: www.google.com...]

352 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:30:44pm

re: #348 DisturbedEma

Just can't figure that guy out- he get unemployment, but wantes programs like that ended, he states that many of the positions held by Romney are suspect, but will vote for him anyway. . .just don't get him

Conservatives take a long, long time to change. Be gentle with him, he's trying.

353 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:30:48pm

re: #351 Joanne

Holy SHIT!!!

354 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:31:18pm

re: #352 ggt

and they have to want to I guess

355 iossarian  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:31:31pm

re: #348 DisturbedEma

Just can't figure that guy out- he get unemployment, but wantes programs like that ended, he states that many of the positions held by Romney are suspect, but will vote for him anyway. . .just don't get him

I think he has issues. Sometimes he'll talk about the peril of Democratic governance in terms of "national humiliation".

Regarding unemployment, that's also a sucky position for someone who thinks that the unemployed are that way because they're lazy to be in, so then I guess you have to double down on the "Democrats are keeping me out of work because they won't let Donald Trump create jobs for me" line.

I feel a bit sorry for him but his votes are part of the problem and it would be nice if he became aware of that.

356 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:31:47pm

re: #351 Joanne

[Link: www.google.com...]

YUP.

Slavery, I wasn't joking upthread.

357 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:31:52pm

WND: Four More Years of Obama Could Lead to Violence and a 'De Facto Secession'

Right-wing extremists are utterly petrified as to what will happen if President Obama is reelected for a second term, predicting that the world as we know it will be turned upside down. David Kupelian, the managing editor of WorldNetDaily and author of The Marketing of Evil, foresees that four more years of Obama will trigger civil disobedience and political violence, unleash rampant crime, cause a surge in depression and mental illness, and eventually elicit a “de facto secession.”

He predicts inescapable civil disobedience, prompted by the outrage at abortion rights. This noncompliance could even heighten and transform into political violence, Kupelian says, cautioning that “deep down the radical left would love nothing more than to see an actual eruption of violence on ‘the right,’ because it would serve to validate all their delusions and self-projections of hatred and violence.” Kupelian believes that Obama’s re-election would be comparable to the 9/11 terrorist attacks and even predicts an Obama reelection will lead to a “de facto secession,” in which conservative Americans “will be able to find each other over the Internet—and if they wish, move to a common geographic location.” These people can then exert power over their government, create their own businesses, and eventually separate from the rest of the country.

358 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:32:24pm

re: #354 DisturbedEma

and they have to want to I guess

Well, he is here, he is civil and thoughtful. I see some change. It just won't happen by election time. Maybe in 4 years.

359 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:32:24pm

re: #351 Joanne

80-18???? 80 fucking people voted for this madness???

360 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:33:10pm

re: #359 DisturbedEma

80-18???? 80 fucking people voted for this madness???

It's about power and control --don't look for any other logic.

361 iossarian  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:33:15pm

re: #357 Kragar

WND: Four More Years of Obama Could Lead to Violence and a 'De Facto Secession'

What I would give for 5-10 Southern states to secede.

362 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:34:46pm

re: #358 ggt

Very true

363 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:35:56pm

re: #361 iossarian

What I would give for 5-10 Southern states to secede.

Pull out every national asset, destroy everything any federal money went into and can't be removed, then tell them to have fun.

364 erik_t  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:36:17pm

re: #357 Kragar

predicts an Obama reelection will lead to a “de facto secession,” in which conservative Americans “will be able to find each other over the Internet—and if they wish, move to a common geographic location.” These people can then exert power over their government, create their own businesses, and eventually separate from the rest of the country.

Thank sweet baby Jesus, it's about time. How about, say, Oklahoma? They can have Oklahoma.

365 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:36:22pm

re: #361 iossarian

What I would give for 5-10 Southern states to secede.

I'd be happy with just Texas. I don't want to lose New Orleans.

366 alpuz  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:36:40pm

Two more women just strolled past my window with their Obama yard signs.

367 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:36:41pm

re: #360 ggt

Funny, there seems to be no worry about any slippery slope with this law, but I guess there will be no law against hand jobs in the near future. . .which, you know, kills the egg by not sperming it up. . .

368 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:36:45pm

re: #357 Kragar

WND: Four More Years of Obama Could Lead to Violence and a 'De Facto Secession'

I like that, "defacto secession." What does that mean? Basically "We refuse to recognize the authority of the US federal government, but keep sending us our disability and Medicare checks!"

369 A Mom Anon  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:37:18pm

re: #361 iossarian

We should start a home trade thing for progressives in the South before that happens. I'd trade a conservative in say,um,Northern CA for my house here in GA. As long as their house is as nice as mine,I'm up for the change.

370 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:38:09pm

re: #357 Kragar

WND: Four More Years of Obama Could Lead to Violence and a 'De Facto Secession'

This is what I mean when I ask myself how we can begin to accomodate people like this and still remain a modern industrialized democracy.

If Obama wins, their strategy will be to provoke the government to respond to acts of violence or threats thereof and then offer the responses as proof that the government is out to disarm us and lock us all in secular-muslim-gay-multicultural FEMA reeducation camps...

371 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:38:29pm

re: #369 A Mom Anon

We should start a home trade thing for progressives in the South before that happens. I'd trade a conservative in say,um,Northern CA for my house here in GA. As long as their house is as nice as mine,I'm up for the change.

They seem to forget that the "colored people" have legal guns this time around. AND money and political power.

Whacko conservatives living in another century.

372 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:38:53pm

re: #265 DisturbedEma

Body hair, those women that choose to have lazer treatments feel more womanly, women who shave or don't feel more manly. . .I'll call CNN and see if I can get the lead story. . .//

I'm still feeling pedantic from a previous thread. The word is laser, which stands for Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation.

373 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:39:02pm

re: #370 AK-47%

You forgot "with female teachers who take the pill"

374 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:39:40pm

re: #370 AK-47%

This is what I mean when I ask myself how we can begin to accomodate people like this and still remain a modern industrialized democracy.

If obama wins, their strategy will be to provoke the government to respond to acts of violence or threats thereof and then offer the responses as proof that the government is out to disarm us and lock us all in secular-muslim-gay-multicultural FEMA reeducation camps...

All the more reason to vote for him. Get this shit out and over. The South threatened Civil War for political purposes the last time around. I say call them on their Bullshit.

375 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:39:47pm

re: #372 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Sorry about that. . .and thanks for the correction:)

376 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:39:54pm

re: #361 iossarian

What I would give for 5-10 Southern states to secede.

Nice generalizations, but no.

Not just no, but HELL NO...we've already fought a Civil War over this shit and we don't need to do it again. I will not let Lincoln and the Union dead be seen as having died in vain.

Youtube Video

/speaking as a Tennessean and as a Southerner

377 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:40:08pm

re: #373 DisturbedEma

You forgot "with female teachers who take the pill"

and we both forgot

with female evolutionary science teachers

378 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:40:58pm

re: #377 AK-47%

We did indeed, shame on us. Must be the hormones;)

379 iossarian  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:41:19pm

re: #369 A Mom Anon

We should start a home trade thing for progressives in the South before that happens. I'd trade a conservative in say,um,Northern CA for my house here in GA. As long as their house is as nice as mine,I'm up for the change.

I don't even think that this and the other suggestions above would be necessary - I think you could let people sort it out quite amicably, and you might see some kind of adjustment with people moving backwards and forwards.

But it would give the world's leading military power a much more liberal national government, and would mean we might actually start getting shit done on issues like global warming.

380 Joanne  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:41:22pm

re: #341 wrenchwench

I just did.

Ditto on the follow.

381 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:41:50pm

re: #370 AK-47%

This is what I mean when I ask myself how we can begin to accomodate people like this and still remain a modern industrialized democracy.

If Obama wins, their strategy will be to provoke the government to respond to acts of violence or threats thereof and then offer the responses as proof that the government is out to disarm us and lock us all in secular-muslim-gay-multicultural FEMA reeducation camps...

So it's basically the 90s under Clinton, just on steroids. And through the lens of a much more developed Internet.

382 darthstar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:42:30pm

re: #380 Joanne

Ditto on the follow.

I like her diaries on Daily Kos, and she's cute as hell.

383 kirkspencer  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:42:34pm

re: #363 Kragar

Pull out every national asset, destroy everything any federal money went into and can't be removed, then tell them to have fun.

You're not thinking clearly. Leave the federal facilities in place, and present a bill. "You didn't build that."

384 AK-47%  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:42:59pm

re: #383 kirkspencer

You're not thinking clearly. Leave the federal facilities in place, and present a bill. "You didn't build that."

What about Fort Sumter?

385 darthstar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:43:19pm
386 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:45:20pm

re: #383 kirkspencer

You're not thinking clearly. Leave the federal facilities in place, and present a bill. "You didn't build that."

Likewise, close off every pipe and snip every wire that crosses the borders and, if they pick a coastal state to "secede" to, park several Coast Guard cutters in the waters with orders to inspect every shipment coming and going from the state.

387 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:47:07pm

re: #383 kirkspencer

You're not thinking clearly. Leave the federal facilities in place, and present a bill. "You didn't build that."

Don't go away mad...

Youtube Video
388 Joanne  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:47:07pm

re: #359 DisturbedEma

re: #360 ggt

Women are chattel. We're vessels to birth children. We're to be subservient to and dependent upon men for our very lives. This is today's GOP/TP/Xtian zealot.

389 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:47:24pm

re: #324 MittDoesNotCompute

I see what you did there...

Sometimes, the little gray cell operate on all 12 cylindars . . .

390 A Mom Anon  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:47:41pm

re: #379 iossarian

I was just bullshitting mostly,lol. I get kinda pissed when the liberals say "fuck the South" and to let us go. I'd like to leave,but can't. This part of the country isn't going to change any time soon either.

391 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:48:47pm

re: #388 Joanne

I think the fact that they see seed of their loins as the most important part of the life giving process justifies their ownership if our reproductive organs by default. .

392 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:49:16pm

re: #374 ggt

All the more reason to vote for him. Get this shit out and over. The South threatened Civil War for political purposes the last time around. I say call them on their Bullshit.

I disagree...see my #376.

393 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:49:25pm

re: #391 DisturbedEma

I have actually heard a man say that to my friend about their children. . .

394 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:49:47pm

re: #165 Mattand

The problem is absolutely Mourdock's faith. The problem is also people like you giving him cover because Mourdock's almighty god-thingy "spoke" to him through prayer.

Seriously, this is everything wrong with religion right here. One person believing that God wants raped women to be incubators for their attackers' spawn, and another going "Hey, it's okay because he prayed really hard to get to this view point."

News for you, pal: it's every bit as ugly as Todd Akin. The only thing worse than these Christian fanatics running for public office is people making excuses for them because the politicians hug a Bible nightly.

Still boils down to *assholes*. Though others being tolerant of assholes and refusing to call them out since the assholes are on their "team" is highly annoying as well.

395 Joanne  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:50:46pm

re: #365 ggt

I'd be happy with just Texas. I don't want to lose New Orleans.

Why? You could still visit it (much like communist China). And since that would be the majority of LA's revenue, all the booze and boobs will freely flow/fly (and the Tepublican's need a place to go to get "release". :-)

396 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:51:53pm

re: #260 ggt

And the size of her breasts. You know a full-breasted women feels more womanly. Small breasted women probably feel more like men and will vote accordingly.

How many more stupid theories can we find funding to research?

Their partners penis size must play a role in this too. Perhaps dissatisfaction there leads to a more generally negative outlook on life and increased social anxiety. This of course might lead to the desire for more authoritarian control over social situations and mores in general.

Now we just need a study to see if the average liberal man has a larger penis than the average conservative in order to verify my theory!

///

397 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:52:35pm

re: #348 DisturbedEma

Just can't figure that guy out- he get unemployment, but wantes programs like that ended, he states that many of the positions held by Romney are suspect, but will vote for him anyway. . .just don't get him

I do. He's got a father who's big on the GOP line and been taught all his life that loyalty is one if, if not the highest, virtue. It's a lot like Dubya in that respect. OTOH, he's far more intelligent and has, over the past year or so, grown tremendously as a person and in taking his own positions (still often wrong but his own) rather than parrot his father's. It's a slow process but growing up often is.

The one that _I_ can not understand is KT. Whining like a Teabagger and then bragging about not voting and refusing to do jury duty? Such a sad little person...

398 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:53:03pm

re: #347 ggt

I don't watch much TV, when I do it's often a re-run of something I never knew existed. Hubby was watching a re-run of Everyone Loves Raymond. It was an episode about his wife's PMS. She was in denial and he wanted her to go on meds.

I thought, why don't you just start picking-up your socks? Aren't you listening to her AT ALL?

The movie version of "Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"* was on last night and they had a gun that dealt with that issue.

* - Not the best by a long shot, but a bad version of HHGTTG is a lot better than a lot of other things on TV.

399 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:53:06pm

re: #352 ggt

Conservatives take a long, long time to change. Be gentle with him, he's trying.

QFT.

400 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:53:53pm

re: #312 Targetpractice

Geez Netflix, you got a boatload of bad zombie B-movies, but you don't have the king of them all, Return of the Living Dead? Shame!

1985 movie, starring a host of people I never heard of? Look again....

401 blueraven  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:56:14pm

re: #296 darthstar

Nevada...fuck yeah! (This helps kill the Ohio is critical to Obama winning meme)

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Ohio: Obama holds a 49% to 44% lead over Romney in a survey taken Monday and Tuesday night.

Read more: [Link: swampland.time.com...]

402 Kragar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:57:11pm

re: #400 Someone Please Beam Me Up!

1985 movie, starring a host of people I never heard of? Look again....

Not on instant queue

403 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:57:15pm

re: #374 ggt

All the more reason to vote for him. Get this shit out and over. The South threatened Civil War for political purposes the last time around. I say call them on their Bullshit.

The South threatened and blustered about it a lot before 1860 happened and they had to put up or shut up.

404 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:57:18pm

re: #376 MittDoesNotCompute

Nice generalizations, but no.

Not just no, but HELL NO...we've already fought a Civil War over this shit and we don't need to do it again. I will not let Lincoln and the Union dead be seen as having died in vain.

[Embedded content]

/speaking as a Tennessean and as a Southerner

We Americans did it once. We can do it again, just as unhappily, if we have to.

405 Joanne  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:57:30pm

re: #391 DisturbedEma

I think the fact that they see seed of their loins as the most important part of the life giving process justifies their ownership if our reproductive organs by default. .

Here's the thing that men should give serious thought to: No abortion. No birth control. No sex for men unless we're bleeding and less likely to get pregnant. Most people aren't like the Duggars. When women withhold sex because our health is at stake, minds will be changed.

406 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:57:43pm

re: #400 Someone Please Beam Me Up!

1985 movie, starring a host of people I never heard of? Look again....

Probably should have been clearer, not on Instant Play. I hardly ever sat down and watched the DVDs they sent me, had one sent to me that was damaged, so I downgraded to just digital.

407 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:58:16pm

re: #357 Kragar

WND: Four More Years of Obama Could Lead to Violence and a 'De Facto Secession'

In other words, people of like mind, who believe in traditional American constitutional values, will be able to find each other over the Internet – and if they wish, move to a common geographic location. They can pick a state – Texas, South Carolina, North Dakota, wherever – and do what the Mormons did in moving en masse to Utah.

i really enjoyed reading this rant since i have been working on a science fiction story based on exactly the same premise

408 darthstar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:59:01pm

Grab your weapons for the Zombie apocalypse...my weapon: mulch.

Image: 530785_10151147813652917_334887989_n.jpg

409 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:59:38pm

re: #402 Kragar

True, you have to get the DVD.

410 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 1:59:44pm

re: #392 MittDoesNotCompute

I disagree...see my #376.

Well, I think they are mostly bluffing. And they'd get smacked-down right-damn quick.

Being a Mom, I've learned it's much better to get it out of the way at the beginning, and not let things drag on and on. Bad behavior has to be dealt promptly.

411 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:00:17pm

re: #393 DisturbedEma

I have actually heard a man say that to my friend about their children. . .

Some guys really have a hard-on for their hard-on. Still amazed by bodily functions.

412 Joanne  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:00:25pm

re: #397 William Barnett-Lewis

Someone I read for a year before my first post here, and highly respected. No longer. It's like two distinctly different people.

413 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:01:00pm

re: #397 William Barnett-Lewis

I remember him being so different- it is like a switch flipped in him

414 A Mom Anon  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:01:08pm

You know what else is missing from this rape conversation? The MEN WHO RAPE and what should happen to THEM. Interesting that in all this you never hear these assholes say one fucking word about the violence,the sadism,the hatred of women that a man has to have in his heart to rape in the first place. You never hear what MEN should be doing to prevent rape. Because I know more than one woman who did everything "right",everything this culture says you should do to not be raped,and guess what? It happened anyway. Rape won't cease to be a problem until just as many men as women advocate just as long and just as loud as women have. This culture shames the victims and survivors but not the predators,why is that?

415 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:02:08pm

re: #412 Joanne

I remember him when I first joined during the 2008 election- and while I have changed a lot as well, it was through reading things and checking things digging deeper, when he posts that he will not read things and just emotes on the issue, it drives me nuts

416 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:02:23pm

re: #405 Joanne

Here's the thing that men should give serious thought to: No abortion. No birth control. No sex for men unless we're bleeding and less likely to get pregnant. Most people aren't like the Duggars. When women withhold sex because our health is at stake, minds will be changed.

NO, there will be more legal prostitution, sex slavery and throw-away people--women & children.

I'm big on some sort of libido limiting treatment for "some" men. Mostly between the ages of 16-50.

417 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:02:27pm

re: #390 A Mom Anon

I was just bullshitting mostly,lol. I get kinda pissed when the liberals say "fuck the South" and to let us go. I'd like to leave,but can't. This part of the country isn't going to change any time soon either.

It's changing:

Image: img_1177-big.jpg

418 DisturbedEma  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:04:29pm

re: #414 A Mom Anon

If they ever do discuss it, the conversation will be about child support not anything moral or ethical

419 Joanne  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:06:13pm

re: #414 A Mom Anon

Good point. Lets play with that.

I'm raped, forced to give birth to the child. The rapist is the biological father. Am I going to have to see him for 18 years as he visits his child? Is he paying child support? Is he going to his kid's graduation?

A woman's life forever altered. Reliving rape FOREVER.

420 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:07:18pm

re: #413 DisturbedEma

I remember him being so different- it is like a switch flipped in him

He got seriously freaked out by OWS and has been like this since then. Perhaps he always was, but he was a very different online personality before OWS. It really is like a switch got flipped. Or as Bob Geldoff once put it, "The silicon chip inside her head got switched to overload".

421 Joanne  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:09:35pm

re: #420 William Barnett-Lewis

How does one get freaked out by OWS?

422 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:11:30pm

re: #421 Joanne

How does one get freaked out by OWS?

It was all of those rapey stabbey hippies...

Oh wait, that was KT...

423 darthstar  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:12:33pm

re: #420 William Barnett-Lewis

He got seriously freaked out by OWS and has been like this since then. Perhaps he always was, but he was a very different online personality before OWS. It really is like a switch got flipped. Or as Bob Geldoff once put it, "The silicon chip inside her head got switched to overload".

Let's just hope that 'job interview' isn't code for shooting up an office. Guy's been drinking the conservative kool-aid all his life. He isn't exactly accepting of different opinions, but the longer he fights the windmills, the more data will eventually get through.

Imagine how he'll be as a born-again liberal. It'll be fun.

424 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:15:38pm

Think this indirect threadlet is referring to two different (absent) Lizards.

425 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:17:04pm

re: #423 darthstar

Eh? That post was about the wanker KT.

No, I still have hope for DF. He's a decent person in his soul, we just need to help him let it out. I still hope he'll go back to school for his teachers certificate.

426 A Mom Anon  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:17:16pm

re: #419 Joanne

Exactly. But even more than this,it's a matter of CHOICE we're talking about here. It's one thing if a woman decided to keep the baby from a rape,but I'd guess that's not the majority.
It should not be a political matter. This is medical decision between a woman and her doctor. Full Stop. It's no one else's fucking business. Ever.

They want to talk about rape,then I think we should force the conversation onto the subject of the men who rape and doing something about THAT. God this pisses me off,so much.

427 only_me  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:19:25pm

I posted in this in a page regarding this topic, and I felt it should be repeated here:
I was raped when I was a freshman in college, in front of other guys. Except it took me 3 years to realize it because "personal responsibility" was so ingrained in me from my parents, that I literally spent those years trying to figure out when I had consented. The fact I was drinking contributed to my feelings of guilt. I finally stopped thinking about what happened when I was blacked out (passed out), and started thinking about what happened when I regained consciousness and realized what was happening. I certainly didn't have any signs of "forcible" rape.

I thankfully didn't get pregnant, but I can't imagine the turmoil it would have caused in my life had I gotten pregnant, and the immense shame I would have felt if I would have been forced to carry a baby conceived from that mess. I can't imagine telling my parents. I can't imagine trying to raise a baby to have self-worth when my self-worth was in the toilet. But mostly, I think about how it probably would have changed my life, even if I would have chosen adoption. I probably wouldn't have finished college, therefore wouldn't have ultimately met my husband and had the 3 beautiful daughters I do have that were born out of love and raised in a stable, financially secure home at a time I was emotionally ready for children.

There are women who have carried and raised rapists babies, and have found healing with it. I certainly have no problem with their choice to do so, even if I don't understand it. But do these Republican men think about what might change because of someone carrying to term against their will? Do they think about the contributions the woman might have made or the changes her life could take by being forced to have a child she isn't ready for or isn't able to provide for? People talk about adoption like it's easy, but I doubt it is. I read an account of a woman who had given up a baby for as a teenager in a closed adoption and put it behind her. When the adopted child searched her out and contacted her without any consent, she was forced to tell her husband and children about what happened when she was a teenager. As well, many children from unplanned pregnancies end up in the foster system after the magical 2 year age, when all attempts at keeping the child with the birth mother fail.

It's just unconscionable to me to damn all other possibilities or accept all other consequences with any unwanted pregnancy by forcing women to carry at all costs, raped or not.

428 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:23:51pm

re: #423 darthstar

Let's just hope that 'job interview' isn't code for shooting up an office. Guy's been drinking the conservative kool-aid all his life. He isn't exactly accepting of different opinions, but the longer he fights the windmills, the more data will eventually get through.

Imagine how he'll be as a born-again liberal. It'll be fun.

Please don't lump DF in with that stereotype. He takes sportsmanship (gun rules) very seriously.

429 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:24:12pm

re: #424 Decatur Deb

Think this indirect threadlet is referring to two different (absent) Lizards.

re: #425 William Barnett-Lewis

Eh? That post was about the wanker KT.

No, I still have hope for DF. He's a decent person in his soul, we just need to help him let it out. I still hope he'll go back to school for his teachers certificate.

D_F, from what I can tell, is decent enough, but has traveled through their political life with GOP blinders on, rarely deviating from the party out of some sense of loyalty (mainly because it's his dad's party).

KT has gone from a respected Lizard who backed up his posts with facts to a contrarian troll who seems to be in it for the lulz; the only time I care to read his posts is when he's talking about stuff unrelated to politics.

430 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:25:30pm

re: #423 darthstar

Let's just hope that 'job interview' isn't code for shooting up an office. Guy's been drinking the conservative kool-aid all his life. He isn't exactly accepting of different opinions, but the longer he fights the windmills, the more data will eventually get through.

Imagine how he'll be as a born-again liberal. It'll be fun.

Not cool, man...definitely not cool.

431 efuseakay  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:25:43pm

re: #116 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Remember that 'terrorist' that NJDhockeyfan claimed was openly taunting us in the last thread, turns out things are not so black and white, shocker!

Libyan Islamist denies role in Benghazi attack

So was he involved? Probably, but nothing I have read assures me that he definitely was. I'll leave jumping to conclusions to people like Romney and NJD and wait until the powers that be sort this mess out by gathering intelligence and doing an actual investigation.

Obama should have nuked the hotel during his interviews!!!!!!!!!

//

432 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:26:09pm

re: #426 A Mom Anon

Exactly. But even more than this,it's a matter of CHOICE we're talking about here. It's one thing if a woman decided to keep the baby from a rape,but I'd guess that's not the majority.
It should not be a political matter. This is medical decision between a woman and her doctor. Full Stop. It's no one else's fucking business. Ever.

They want to talk about rape,then I think we should force the conversation onto the subject of the men who rape and doing something about THAT. God this pisses me off,so much.

I think what I hate is that a women's most private of private lives is taken for granted. We have a hard enough time getting rape victims to go to the hospital for Bob's sake. Telling her she will be grilled and possibly have to get a conviction within the first trimester to qualify for an abortion. REALLY?

Just another way to intimidate and control.

433 A Mom Anon  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:36:43pm

re: #427 only_me

I just wanted to thank you for sharing what happened to you. Telling and talking about what happened to us is a big part of taking away the shame. I'm glad you found happiness and love,it's a long road back.

434 Artist  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:53:05pm

re: #423 darthstar

Let's just hope that 'job interview' isn't code for shooting up an office. Guy's been drinking the conservative kool-aid all his life. He isn't exactly accepting of different opinions, but the longer he fights the windmills, the more data will eventually get through.

Imagine how he'll be as a born-again liberal. It'll be fun.

Over the line, man. Not cool.

435 Patricia Kayden  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 3:09:19pm

Kind of disappointing that all three Indiana Senate candidates are anti-choice. But I guess that's what happens in red states.

436 sunnygal  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 5:55:20pm

Mourdock says he is not against abortion to save the mother's life but that God intended the pregnancy if she is raped and is against abortion in that case (assuming that the mother's life is not at stake).

I would like to ask him and all others who say that pregnancy results because God intended it, "If God intends ALL pregnancies, what kind of God would intend a woman to get pregnant if carrying the zygote/embryo/fetus/child to term will kill her? Or do they not believe that God is all-knowing and only intends it some of the time (as in cases of rape)?

Can't have both ways. Either God intends all pregnancies to happen (even if it kills the mother) or God doesn't have anything to do with whether or not a pregnancy happens. My belief is with the latter. And no one, especially no man, has a right to enact laws counter to my belief, just because it is his belief.

437 wheat-dogg  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 6:51:26pm

re: #114 Obdicut

So is predestination, a core value of Calvinism. Makes no sense to me at all.

438 Tigger2005  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 7:51:40pm

I really think we need to stop calling these guys cavemen, much less Neandertals. There's no evidence Neandertals were sexist bastards. Or if they were, they were cavemen. They didn't know any better.

I suggest "pond scum" instead.

439 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 24, 2012 8:18:40pm

re: #438 Tigger2005

I really think we need to stop calling these guys cavemen, much less Neandertals. There's no evidence Neandertals were sexist bastards. Or if they were, they were cavemen. They didn't know any better.

I suggest "pond scum" instead.

Agreed in that the timeframe was before humans invented religion and they would have had to rely on an instinctive thought process instead of the one that took years of careful instruction to understand due to its complexity and inherent conflicts.


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