This animation of satellite photos from NASA shows Hurricane Sandy moving along the east coast and into the mid-Atlantic and northeastern US, and here’s another thread to post news and updates about the monster storm.
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freetoken Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:28:59pm |
This is a whole lot of precipitable water:
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:29:56pm |
[Link: www.dom.com...]
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:31:05pm |
The eastern half of Virginia is getting hit by a hurricane. The western part, a freaking blizzard.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:31:59pm |
re: #1 freetoken
This is a whole lot of precipitable water:
We're looking at a whole lot of inland flooding.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:32:03pm |
Flooding continues at record levels across NYC metro from the Battery on to Sandy Hook to Long Beach on Long Island. Flooding in Lower Manhattan is going to be a huge financial hit. Billions of dollars in damage there alone (from subways to tunnels and power grid).
Across the Hudson River in NJ, it's a similar story. Flooding damaged/destroyed hundreds of businesses and tens of thousands of vehicles.
At the moment, Manhattan below 42nd Street without power and many parts underwater.
This is everything from Zone A through Zone C (expected on a Cat 3 storm).
And the damage is going to be repeated up and down the coast from Maryland/Delaware into Mass (they were getting hurricane force winds at Cape Cod and coastal regions).
No subway service through lower Manhattan through end of week (at a minimum). Power outages for millions (and could be a week or more until restoration).
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Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:32:07pm |
Who knew Revolution was a documentary? /
Lightheartedness aside, there are some truly intense pics coming from NY/NJ.
My heart and best wishes for safety to all involved.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:32:24pm |
This is gonna be pure Hell for the Northeast. And thoroughly unpleasant for anyone north of the Mason-Dixon line and east of the Mississippi.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:32:26pm |
The Battery, NY
Tide Data
8518750 20121030 01:00 4.74 13.81 7.07
8518750 20121030 01:06 4.72 13.85 7.30
8518750 20121030 01:12 4.71 13.87 7.30
8518750 20121030 01:18 4.69 13.87 7.32
8518750 20121030 01:24 4.65 13.88 7.19
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:33:06pm |
Oh and the storm is pushing into PA and inland areas, you're talking about massive damage/flooding into the Ohio River valley before being pushed into upstate NY.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:33:11pm |
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:33:41pm |
re: #9 Gus
It looks like it's maxing out, or at least leveling off.
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JamesWI Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:34:10pm |
Gotta love those compassionate conservatives: (posted 10 minutes ago)
San Diego is gorgeous this time of year! I'm in heaven!
— Cindy McCain (@CindyhM1) October 30, 2012
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The Mountain That Blogs Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:34:18pm |
re: #6 lawhawk
If this hits the subway switches, it's going to be a lot longer than a week, yes?
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:34:43pm |
Oh, and with temps in Buffalo, you may see massive snow falling there before long (and in addition to blizzard conditions into WVA).
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Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:35:20pm |
RT @311nyc: RT @nycmayorsoffice: New Yorkers: Stay inside. Do not go outside. Being outside is incredibly dangerous. #Sandy— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) October 30, 2012
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:36:32pm |
re: #14 The Mountain That Blogs
Could be - MTA was expecting problems, so they may have had equipment ready on standby. Depends on the extent of damage, which is why a week could be a low-ball estimate for return to normal service. Figure on limited service restored within a week - and a reliance on bus service in many parts, especially to lower Manhattan.
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freetoken Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:37:32pm |
re: #13 JamesWI
Yes, it was a very beautiful day today in San Diego.
However, last week we had two days of red flag warnings, as relative humidity dropped down to 8%. Fortunately we didn't have any idiots in the back country start a major fire.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:37:48pm |
The damage to the MTA systems should push them to reconfigure to modern systems (if you're going to replace, might as well do it right) but the time to do that might take too long to do, so they'll replace with systems in place.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:38:08pm |
Going down.
8518750 20121030 01:06 4.72 13.85 7.30
8518750 20121030 01:12 4.71 13.87 7.30
8518750 20121030 01:18 4.69 13.87 7.32
8518750 20121030 01:24 4.65 13.88 7.19
8518750 20121030 01:30 4.62 13.79 7.14
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:38:10pm |
I think the news channels should stop sending hapless reporters out to say obvious shit while standing in waist deep water.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:38:43pm |
Ladies and Gents, THE image of #sandy in NYC: the carousel in Brooklyn Bridge Park instagram.com/p/RYtQghtKAu/
— Sam Graham-Felsen (@samgf) October 30, 2012
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freetoken Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:39:19pm |
re: #20 Gus
The tide is supposed to be "going out", but it will do so slowly.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:39:29pm |
Winds are gusting to 46 mph in Asheville, NC. Further north, it's snowing and 32º in Boone, NC with a wind chill of 19º. #Sandy #ncwx
— Hurricane Central (@twc_hurricane) October 29, 2012
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:39:46pm |
Because one of these worker bees is going to get killed eventually.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:40:29pm |
re: #23 freetoken
The tide is supposed to be "going out", but it will do so slowly.
The numbers are "going down."
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:40:38pm |
re: #21 Charles Johnson
I think the news channels should stop sending hapless reporters out to say obvious shit while standing in waist deep water.
IT'S WINDY!
AND FLOODING!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:40:45pm |
re: #13 JamesWI
Gotta love those compassionate conservatives: (posted 10 minutes ago)
[Embedded content]
OH MY DOG
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:40:48pm |
re: #25 Charles Johnson
Because one of these worker bees is going to get killed eventually.
... which will probably serve to encourage the practice. Ratings!
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Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:41:29pm |
RT @buzzfeedandrew: Romney campaign confirms Romney's position on FEMA is to shut it down and return it to the states. huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/28/mit...— Marlena Nadeau (@marlenan21) October 30, 2012
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:41:54pm |
Countdown to "FEMA is a waste of money! No federal aid!" in 3...2...1...
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JamesWI Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:42:05pm |
Fox News.....pure class:
Wow. Hannity on Fox talking Benghazi while chyron below reports #sandy deaths and closure of Newark airport. #breakingnews
— Kate Pickert (@katepickert) October 30, 2012
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PhillyPretzel Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:42:07pm |
News channels are looking for the TV equivalent of the newspaper "Man bites Dog" story.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:42:09pm |
re: #31 God of Binders with Women
Countdown to "FEMA is a waste of money! No federal aid!" in 3...2...1...
Look up one.
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freetoken Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:42:19pm |
re: #26 Gus
The numbers are "going down."
Yes, finally, but there was a short period after the theoretical high tide when the water was still rising.
Reports coming out that the tide gauge has failed.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:42:28pm |
@anildash @oof check out the crazy video of con ed plant blowing up,18 secs in, #sandy #frankenstorm youtu.be/ZAqYZ433TeQ— Jukay Hsu (@JukayHsu) October 30, 2012
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:42:50pm |
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Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:43:14pm |
re: #25 Charles Johnson
Because one of these worker bees is going to get killed eventually.
Which is what it's going to take to (maybe) stop the practice.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:43:39pm |
The weather channel says there is three feet of water inside the New York stock exchange.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:44:36pm |
re: #21 Charles Johnson
And they've got more than a few who are in dangerous situations (a couple of reporters are holed up on Long Beach with the ocean banging away at the area).
Wont know the damage until daylight now. But it's going to be huge.
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PhillyPretzel Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:44:47pm |
re: #39 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
I got some prime water here for traders only. ///
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:44:50pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:44:53pm |
re: #39 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
The weather channel says there is three feet of water inside the New York stock exchange.
Great times for the flooring business.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:45:58pm |
Looks like the transformer overloaded.
Scary to watch when they go.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:46:22pm |
re: #36 Gus
That's the Con Ed plant at 14th Street on the East River. Probably flooded out, causing the shorts and transformer explosions.
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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:46:57pm |
Apropos those "hapless reporters"...
Just 6 inches of fast-flowing water can knock you over. 2 feet will float a car. Don't walk, swim or drive through floodwater. #SandyDC— Red Cross NCR (@RedCrossNCR) October 30, 2012
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:47:22pm |
re: #39 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
If there's 3 feet of water in the Stock Exchange, then the subway stations underneath/adjacent to the station is completely flooded out.
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Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:47:52pm |
ABC report says Paul Ryan House passed budget calls for 40% disaster relief CUT in 2013 & disparity wld grow to 60% in future yrs. #tcot #p2— V K (@craftyme25) October 30, 2012
.....
Politics of FEMA: Mitt Romney Suggested Less Federal Involvement, Paul Ryan Budget Scrutinized abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics... (via @abc) / #p2 #tcot— V K (@craftyme25) October 30, 2012
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kirkspencer Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:48:44pm |
re: #49 lawhawk
If there's 3 feet of water in the Stock Exchange, then the subway stations underneath/adjacent to the station is completely flooded out.
maybe. Remember the floor is a "pit", and the city did a great deal of sand-bagging and barricading subway entries.
also this is first report. I'm going to bet we get a lot of OMG reports that should have gone through the 24 hour filter first.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:48:55pm |
re: #30 Joanne
The Romney campaign's reply:
"Gov. Romney wants to ensure states, who are the first responders and are in the best position to aid impacted individuals and communities, have the resources and assistance they need to cope with natural disasters," the Romney official said.
That doesn't sound like "shut down FEMA" to me. Sounds more like an attempt to square a very difficult circle.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:49:36pm |
re: #49 lawhawk
If there's 3 feet of water in the Stock Exchange, then the subway stations underneath/adjacent to the station is completely flooded out.
That's a lot of rats.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:50:06pm |
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:51:04pm |
re: #52 Dark_Falcon
The Romney campaign's reply:
That doesn't sound like "shut down FEMA" to me. Sounds more like an attempt to square a very difficult circle.
It sounds like an attempt to walk back a very damaging debate performance.
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makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:51:12pm |
re: #43 Sheila Broflovski
OK but why are the lights still on in the background?
They could be supplied from a different station altogether.
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Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:52:02pm |
re: #52 Dark_Falcon
I don't get why you're all about FUCK THE PEOPLE! No matter if its workers or disaster victims, fuck 'em, right?
Whatever, dude.
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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:52:47pm |
re: #52 Dark_Falcon
The Romney campaign's reply:
"Gov. Romney wants to ensure states, who are the first responders and are in the best position to aid impacted individuals and communities, have the resources and assistance they need to cope with natural disasters," the Romney official said.
It sounds like his typical weasel-worded, have-your-cake-and-eat-it garbage. Pray tell, where the hell are poor states supposed to get "resources and assistance" if not the from the Federal Government?
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kirkspencer Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:52:57pm |
re: #52 Dark_Falcon
The Romney campaign's reply:
That doesn't sound like "shut down FEMA" to me. Sounds more like an attempt to square a very difficult circle.
Actually it does sound like shut down FEMA, particularly when you look at how the system works right now.
Really simple, every state has assets. There are some federal assets as well. FEMA acts as a coordination system - ensuring everyone's equipment accesses the same frequencies, making sure everyone has the same minimal training, and then working as a single point of communication that everyone knows isn't trying to spend more of state a's money to buffer state B's coffers.
Every State for Itself means each state wanting to declare an emergency has to ask each other state for assets (instead of a single point), and each state asked has to decide - or talk to all the other states to coordinate - which requesting state gets what (if any) assets.
Mob, instead of coordinated action.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:53:05pm |
re: #52 Dark_Falcon
Why do you keep posting stupid shit? Do you enjoy seeing your name in the Bottom comments?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:53:05pm |
Lawhawk:
Oh wow. @robertcostanro: The view from Ground Zero twitter.com/passantino/sta…
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) October 30, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:53:20pm |
re: #58 Joanne
I don't get why you're all about FUCK THE PEOPLE! No matter if its workers or disaster victims, fuck 'em, right?
Whatever, dude.
That wasn't what Mitt Romney was saying!
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makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:53:41pm |
re: #52 Dark_Falcon
The Romney campaign's reply:
That doesn't sound like "shut down FEMA" to me. Sounds more like an attempt to square a very difficult circle.
Except for this:
ABC report says Paul Ryan House passed budget calls for 40% disaster relief CUT in 2013 & disparity would grow to 60% in future years.
They might not say they're shutting it down, but they sure look like they want to cripple the fuck out of it.
The blinders. Take them off.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:53:50pm |
re: #52 Dark_Falcon
The Romney campaign's reply:
That doesn't sound like "shut down FEMA" to me. Sounds more like an attempt to square a very difficult circle.
He'd end the federal role in disaster relief, that's getting rid of the F in FEMA at the very least. Oh but there's more:
The Washington Post's Greg Sargent adds: "There’s another nugget here worth highlighting, though. In that appearance, Romney also suggested it would be 'even better' to send any and all responsibilities of the federal government 'to the private sector,' disaster response included. So: Romney essentially favored privatizing disaster response."
Of course, no modern Republican would skip an opportunity to let opportunistic middlemen skim and profit off of national tragedy. Makes perfect sense, to parasites.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:54:00pm |
The weather channel just retracted, no flooding on the floor of the stock exchange.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:54:10pm |
re: #61 Sheila Broflovski
Why do you keep posting stupid shit? Do you enjoy seeing your name in the Bottom comments?
Its either get downdinged or say nothing.
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Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:54:20pm |
RT @cbsnews: VIDEO: Brooklyn Battery Tunnel flooded cbsn.ws/VA0dVt #Sandy— Lesley Grrrr (@Buncombian) October 30, 2012
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:55:08pm |
re: #52 Dark_Falcon
The Romney campaign's reply:
That doesn't sound like "shut down FEMA" to me. Sounds more like an attempt to square a very difficult circle.
Yes, he did say he wanted to "shutter" FEMA. The exact quotes:
During a CNN debate at the height of the GOP primary, Mitt Romney was asked, in the context of the Joplin disaster and FEMA's cash crunch, whether the agency should be shuttered so that states can individually take over responsibility for disaster response.
"Absolutely," he said. "Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction. And if you can go even further, and send it back to the private sector, that's even better. Instead of thinking, in the federal budget, what we should cut, we should ask the opposite question, what should we keep?"
"Including disaster relief, though?" debate moderator John King asked Romney.
"We cannot -- we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids," Romney replied. "It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we'll all be dead and gone before it's paid off. It makes no sense at all."
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:55:28pm |
re: #58 Joanne
I don't get why you're all about FUCK THE PEOPLE! No matter if its workers or disaster victims, fuck 'em, right?
Whatever, dude.
Let them drown
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:56:14pm |
re: #52 Dark_Falcon
"Gov. Romney wants to ensure states, who are the first responders and are in the best position to aid impacted individuals and communities, have the resources and assistance they need to cope with natural disasters," the Romney official said.
We already have that program, it is called FEMA.
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PhillyPretzel Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:56:15pm |
re: #66 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
Dang. There goes my sales pitch. //
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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:56:19pm |
re: #67 Dark_Falcon
Its either get downdinged or say nothing or use critical thinking skills and evidence-gathering to arrive at a conclusion grounded in objective reality.
Your options aren't necessarily binary, you know.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:57:51pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:57:52pm |
checking on East Coast Lizards . .
everyone ok?
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:58:16pm |
re: #52 Dark_Falcon
The Romney campaign's reply:
That doesn't sound like "shut down FEMA" to me. Sounds more like an attempt to square a very difficult circle.
It's easier for skimmers & thieves, like the Koch's, to steal from states than it is from the Federal Government. Only Defense contractors are allowed nearly unlimited theft from the Feds...
// only a little...
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efuseakay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:58:31pm |
re: #63 Dark_Falcon
That wasn't what Mitt Romney was saying!
But it's what he'd do as President. Wake. The. Fuck. Up.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:58:40pm |
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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:58:56pm |
re: #65 goddamnedfrank
He'd end the federal role in disaster relief, that's getting rid of the F in FEMA at the very least. Oh but there's more:
Of course, no modern Republican would skip an opportunity to let opportunistic middlemen skim and profit off of national tragedy. Makes perfect sense, to parasites.
What do you call a guy who wants $294 billion in tax cuts & calls $46 billion in diaster relief "immoral"? #unfitMitt nationalmemo.com/reminder-mitt-...— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) October 30, 2012
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:59:07pm |
Bloomberg: NYU Hospital backup power failed— Jim Roberts (@nytjim) October 30, 2012
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erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 6:59:19pm |
re: #67 Dark_Falcon
Its either get downdinged or say nothing.
You could also consider, I dunno, considering. Y'know, thinking. About things. With your thinking-meat.
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Mentis Fugit Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:00:10pm |
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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:00:38pm |
Hey #Mitt I don't see any corporations doing rescues - all those GOVERNMENT workers risking their lives. NO MITT NO GOP VOTE DEMS! #Sandy— alasscan (@ak2sandiego) October 30, 2012
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:00:44pm |
re: #67 Dark_Falcon
Its either get downdinged or say nothing.
You could, ya know, post intelligent shit.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:00:47pm |
Anyone who thinks individual states can coordinate resources to handle a disaster of this magnitude is just dreaming.
This is where the GOP's "states' rights" agenda meets reality and reality wins.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:01:14pm |
re: #82 Killgore Trout
Fuck.
Patients are being moved out.
Bloomberg: NYU hospital back-up power failed, patients being moved out— Stuart Millar (@stuartmillar159) October 30, 2012
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:01:14pm |
Mayor Bloomberg's ASL translator is really good*. I find myself watching her the entire time instead of looking at him.
*(and cute too)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:01:16pm |
re: #52 Dark_Falcon
The Romney campaign's reply:
That doesn't sound like "shut down FEMA" to me. Sounds more like an attempt to square a very difficult circle.
Frankly, DF, I don't think Romney gives a shit either way. He wants approval from Daddy (or his current emotional attachment --the Party). He seems so disconnected from reality, that the idea of people outside his circle suffering and dying is beyond his ability to empathize.
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Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:01:29pm |
Ok, I was wrong before. Cory Booker is The One. He's answering tweets and rescuing his citizens. If/when he runs for POTUS, he's got my vote.
Talk about awe inspiring.
Now picture Mitt doing that. Or Ryan. (Stop laughing.)
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freetoken Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:01:30pm |
Sandy generated storms are even knocking out power in Ohio.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:02:25pm |
re: #84 lawhawk
Flood it.
Repeatedly.
right, IIRC some of those pipes are in bad shape already, sewers systems etc. . . ..
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:02:31pm |
While all this flooding and hurricane going on, somehow the real super8 video of Obama's birth in Kenya has been released! OMG! He's like as big as a 2-year-old! Wonkette got it first, sorry Donald.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:03:18pm |
re: #91 Joanne
It's gonna be quite a race (Christie may be facing off against Booker for governor even before 2016). Both have availed themselves quite well in this storm and are showing leadership as needed. Staying calm, being forceful on getting people to safety, and calling it like it is.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:04:10pm |
Just got my Flu and Whopping Cough shots.
Got that metallic taste in my mouth you get as a reaction sometimes. I hate that.
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makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:04:33pm |
re: #75 Gretchen G.Tiger
checking on East Coast Lizards . .
everyone ok?
We lost power for about five minutes, but amazingly it came back.
Winds are still high, but seem to be diminishing a little.
We'll have to see what kind of damage we've got in the morning. I know my back yard fence is pretty much wrecked, but if that's all we get I'll gladly take it.
(Knocks wood.)
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:04:52pm |
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calochortus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:05:10pm |
re: #97 Gretchen G.Tiger
Good for you. Getting the shots, not the metallic taste.
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efuseakay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:05:16pm |
re: #88 Gus
Patients are being moved out.
How are they going to move patience in ICU that need power for their ventilators etc... With Sandy bearing down... ? :-/
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:05:16pm |
re: #62 Page 3 in the Binder of Women
All that water is going into the PATH tunnel and flooding out all the spaces under the Memorial/Museum. And it's going to make its way into the subways adjacent (E, N/R, 1, etc.)
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:05:27pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:05:39pm |
Except that relic of an antennae on the roof. I can hear it bashing things up there.
Annoying.
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Lidane Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:06:07pm |
re: #87 Charles Johnson
Anyone who thinks individual states can coordinate resources to handle a disaster of this magnitude is just dreaming.
This is where the GOP's "states' rights" agenda meets reality and reality wins.
EXACTLY.
There's a reason we have things like a federal currency and a federal military and federal disaster relief. Someone needs to cut through 50 states of red tape and contradictory laws to get certain things done. The federal government is simply better equipped to coordinate and oversee disaster relief for giant storms like Sandy than expecting the individual states to do it.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:06:23pm |
re: #80 Gus
I hope they at least have critical branch power for life sustaining equipment. Hospitals have three completely different power distribution systems. Normal utility, emergency, and critical branch, a lot of effort goes into trying to make sure that critical branch never goes down.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:06:39pm |
Disasters like Hurricane Sandy are one of the primary reasons for a federal government.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:06:44pm |
re: #69 Charles Johnson
Yes, he did say he wanted to "shutter" FEMA. The exact quotes:
No one needs FEMA till they need FEMA.
He's a prick. Probably in La Jolla tonight.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:06:49pm |
re: #100 calochortus
Good for you. Getting the shots, not the metallic taste.
Had the Flu 5 years ago, NEVER AGAIN. If I had been in a 3rd world country, I would have died. The only reason I never went to the hospital was because I got on the Anti-Viral meds in time. 5 days of it was enough, any longer I would have been hospitalized.
Whooping Cough is bad this year. I really don't want it either.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:07:07pm |
re: #101 efuseakay
How are they going to move patience in ICU that need power for their ventilators etc... With Sandy bearing down... ? :-/
They don't have generators?
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:07:36pm |
Virtually all subway stations and tunnels south of Chambers street are flooded out. It could take four days just to pump it out - before you even talk about fixing signals and drying out systems.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:08:30pm |
re: #107 Charles Johnson
The Articles of Confederation are Exhibit A for while a strong central government is necessary - to deal with these kinds of situations.
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makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:08:40pm |
re: #87 Charles Johnson
Anyone who thinks individual states can coordinate resources to handle a disaster of this magnitude is just dreaming.
This is where the GOP's "states' rights" agenda meets reality and reality wins.
I keep saying, ask Christie if he has the means to cover the damage without help.
He can't. It's a goddamn pipe dream. They're hoping their base is too stupid to do simple math, or they're just blind partisans who will vote for them no matter what.
Judging by Dark's defense of the indefensible, they may be right.
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kirkspencer Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:09:19pm |
re: #105 Lidane
EXACTLY.
There's a reason we have things like a federal currency and a federal military and federal disaster relief. Someone needs to cut through 50 states of red tape and contradictory laws to get certain things done. The federal government is simply better equipped to coordinate and oversee disaster relief for giant storms like Sandy than expecting the individual states to do it.
heh. My favorite play on this: So can anyone describe a European FEMA?
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Sionainn Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:09:42pm |
re: #69 Charles Johnson
Yes, he did say he wanted to "shutter" FEMA. The exact quotes:
Sounds like shut FEMA down to me.
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efuseakay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:09:49pm |
re: #110 Gretchen G.Tiger
They don't have generators?
I guess under these conditions, I'm assuming they are moving them to another location (hospital). Hopefully I'm wrong and they do have a critical branch system in place.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:10:02pm |
re: #69 Charles Johnson
I'm repeating this again, just in case it didn't soak into D_F's head the first time:
During a CNN debate at the height of the GOP primary, Mitt Romney was asked, in the context of the Joplin disaster and FEMA's cash crunch, whether the agency should be shuttered so that states can individually take over responsibility for disaster response.
"Absolutely," he said. "Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction. And if you can go even further, and send it back to the private sector, that's even better. Instead of thinking, in the federal budget, what we should cut, we should ask the opposite question, what should we keep?"
"Including disaster relief, though?" debate moderator John King asked Romney.
"We cannot -- we cannot afford to do those things without jeopardizing the future for our kids," Romney replied. "It is simply immoral, in my view, for us to continue to rack up larger and larger debts and pass them on to our kids, knowing full well that we'll all be dead and gone before it's paid off. It makes no sense at all."
D_F's defense of Mitt in the midst of one of the strongest Atlantic hurricanes we've seen in quite a while, just like Mitt's entire campaign, is full of FAIL, for him and all of us.
It's unvarnished RAH RAH RAH bullshit and he knows it...
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:10:08pm |
re: #115 kirkspencer
heh. My favorite play on this: So can anyone describe a European FEMA?
Oh. So Europe's a model?
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:12:22pm |
Er...
My thermometer just blew off the deck.
Figures.
I think I'm gonna go back downstairs.
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kirkspencer Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:12:28pm |
re: #116 Sionainn
Sounds like shut FEMA down to me.
It is "not shutting down FEMA" like the voucherization plan isn't "shutting down Medicare".
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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:13:03pm |
Oh,thank heavens: NYSE floor not flooded, says spokesman. We'll be able to get back to trading EOM and CVX and BP in no time— Bill McKibben (@billmckibben) October 30, 2012
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:13:15pm |
re: #115 kirkspencer
heh. My favorite play on this: So can anyone describe a European FEMA?
That would cut deeper if the EU weren't, you know, having a fiscal crisis based each participant nation doing its own thing without consulting with the other EU members.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:13:18pm |
re: #113 makeitstop
Christie knows that he needs fed help. He's said as much. He knows better, even if the rubes and rwnjs think otherwise. And those rubes will rail on Christie for admitting as much.
I'm figuring that the damage in NJ alone will be in the $2-3 billion range alone.
Hoboken flooding at all time records - major flooding throughout.
Developing: ABC News reporting a crane problem at 30 West 15th Street.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:13:42pm |
I'm trying to think of all the ways Sci-Fi writers have chosen to describe the event that triggered the deconstruction of society.
So far,
Flu epidemic --John Ringo, the Last Centurian
Climate Change and failure of Oil as Economic system-John Scalzi, et al -Metatropolis
Overpopulation --various authors/books
I'm totally drawing a blank after that.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:14:09pm |
re: #87 Charles Johnson
Anyone who thinks individual states can coordinate resources to handle a disaster of this magnitude is just dreaming.
This is where the GOP's "states' rights" agenda meets reality and reality wins.
re: #105 Lidane
EXACTLY.
There's a reason we have things like a federal currency and a federal military and federal disaster relief. Someone needs to cut through 50 states of red tape and contradictory laws to get certain things done. The federal government is simply better equipped to coordinate and oversee disaster relief for giant storms like Sandy than expecting the individual states to do it.
Natural disasters don't recognize or respect state or county borders; why should the response to them do so?
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erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:14:25pm |
re: #120 MittDoesNotCompute
Every time you have an occasion to take something from the federal government and send it back to the states, that's the right direction. And if you can go even further, and send it back to the private sector, that's even better.
A position completely devoid of nuance and rational thought, just like the rest of his platform. Tens of millions of people will vote for him.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:14:44pm |
re: #81 erik_t
You could also consider, I dunno, considering. Y'know, thinking. About things. With your thinking-meat.
I'm not sure how. What ever I post trying that gets shot up, and I don't know of all the places other people get their sources from.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:14:54pm |
re: #127 Gretchen G.Tiger
I'm trying to think of all the ways Sci-Fi writers have chosen to describe the event that triggered the deconstruction of society.
So far,
Flu epidemic --John Ringo, the Last Centurian
Climate Change and failure of Oil as Economic system-John Scalzi, et al -Metatropolis
Overpopulation --various authors/booksI'm totally drawing a blank after that.
Asteroid impact - Niven and Pournelle, Lucifer's Hammer
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kirkspencer Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:15:04pm |
re: #121 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Oh. So Europe's a model?
sigh. either you didn't get the sarcasm, or your sarcastic foo is greater than mine.
There are agreements between the nations. They are better than they were 20 years ago, but there's still a great deal of ego and confusion within them. See, just for one example, how europe is dealing with the recession (Greece, Spain, etc.)
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freetoken Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:15:32pm |
re: #87 Charles Johnson
This is where the GOP's "states' rights" agenda meets reality and reality wins.
Reality always wins.
In the end.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:15:45pm |
re: #120 MittDoesNotCompute
I'm repeating this again, just in case it didn't soak into D_F's head the first time:
Your defense of Mitt in the midst of one of the strongest Atlantic hurricanes we've seen in quite a while, just like his entire campaign, is full of FAIL, for him and all of us.
It's unvarnished RAH RAH RAH bullshit and you know it...
Kinda hard for me to keep focusing on money, Mitt. YOu see first you have to have live children to spend that money on. If you can't feed, cloth and house them after a disaster . . . .unless Mitt thinks it would better to have them homeless and orphaned. You know, we could just donate money to some priest and build another Boys Town. Right . . .///grrr
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efuseakay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:16:34pm |
re: #120 MittDoesNotCompute
I'm repeating this again, just in case it didn't soak into D_F's head the first time:
Your defense of Mitt in the midst of one of the strongest Atlantic hurricanes we've seen in quite a while, just like his entire campaign, is full of FAIL, for him and all of us.
It's unvarnished RAH RAH RAH bullshit and you know it...
In D_F's world, when Romney answers the question of "Would you shutter FEMA?" With "ABSOLUTELY", he's not saying he would shutter FEMA.
"Oooooookay..." -Slater from Dazed and Confused
I seriously think D_F is Mitt Romney. Or one of his kids. That would explain the psychosis.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:16:38pm |
re: #132 kirkspencer
sigh. either you didn't get the sarcasm, or your sarcastic foo is greater than mine.
Do I get to choose?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:17:05pm |
re: #131 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Asteroid impact - Niven and Pournelle, Lucifer's Hammer
Alien Invasion - - -lots, I can't even think of the first --Heinlein? ah, War of the Worlds?
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erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:17:07pm |
re: #130 Dark_Falcon
I'm not sure how. What ever I post trying that gets shot up, and I don't know of all the places other people get their sources from.
It's about evaluating information, and considering and weighing ideas in a thoughtful manner, not finding MY SOURCE IS BETTER THAN YOUR SOURCE.
Criminy, are you guys really not seeing that?
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erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:18:14pm |
No wonder Politifact et al have such a following.
Sigh.
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Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:18:49pm |
re: #129 erik_t
A position completely devoid of nuance and rational thought, just like the rest of his platform. Tens of millions of people will vote for him.
What's worst is they know the private sector will rape disaster victims. I'm sorry, you do not profit from death and disaster. I know it's the GOP way but it's completely devoid of any humanity.
Why do I despise the GOP? This.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:19:08pm |
re: #127 Gretchen G.Tiger
I'm trying to think of all the ways Sci-Fi writers have chosen to describe the event that triggered the deconstruction of society.
So far,
Flu epidemic --John Ringo, the Last Centurian
Climate Change and failure of Oil as Economic system-John Scalzi, et al -Metatropolis
Overpopulation --various authors/booksI'm totally drawing a blank after that.
AI awakening - Terminator
General Dumbing Down - Idiocracy
Alien Invasion - War of the Worlds, Independence Day, etc.
Sentient monkeys - Planet of the Apes
Weird Comet that activates machinery - Maximum Overdrive
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:19:15pm |
re: #138 erik_t
It's about evaluating information, and considering and weighing ideas in a thoughtful manner, not finding MY SOURCE IS BETTER THAN YOUR SOURCE.
Criminy, are you guys really not seeing that?
I get that a lot when trying to communicate with the right-wingers in my world. They seem to be very willing to "throw the baby out with the bathwater" if the source is not on the approved list, or one premise is on their
black list.
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Cheechako Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:19:32pm |
If you want to know what FEMA has been up to, here's today's Ops Briefing:
Scroll down an check out the amount of supplies already ordered and delivered.
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Dave In Austin Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:19:54pm |
Ya'll see this?? Humbling indeed
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:20:03pm |
re: #141 goddamnedfrank
AI awakening - Terminator
General Dumbing Down - Idiocracy
Alien Invasion - War of the Worlds, Independence Day, etc.
Sentient monkeys - Planet of the Apes
Weird Comet that activates machinery - Maximum Overdrive
ROTFLAMO!
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Talking Point Detective Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:20:51pm |
re: #120 MittDoesNotCompute
I'm repeating this again, just in case it didn't soak into D_F's head the first time:
D_F's defense of Mitt in the midst of one of the strongest Atlantic hurricanes we've seen in quite a while, just like Mitt's entire campaign, is full of FAIL, for him and all of us.
It's unvarnished RAH RAH RAH bullshit and he knows it...
Absurd. And let us please all note that one of the bigger (no pun intended) fed haters, Christie, was appealing to Obama for help.
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erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:21:36pm |
re: #144 Dave In Austin
Ya'll see this?? Humbling indeed
As the 3rd Infantry Regiment has explained several times today via twitter, this picture is from a storm in September. However, the Sentinels remain posted at this moment.
Dangit, internet.
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The Mountain That Blogs Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:21:53pm |
re: #144 Dave In Austin
That photo is actually from six weeks ago. Still humbling, as I'm sure they are still there now.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:21:59pm |
re: #144 Dave In Austin
Ya'll see this?? Humbling indeed
Except the picture is from a rainy day six weeks ago.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:22:07pm |
re: #137 Gretchen G.Tiger
Alien Invasion - - -lots, I can't even think of the first --Heinlein? ah, War of the Worlds?
Would you say that the alien invasion in War of the Worlds "triggered the deconstruction of society", though? It's been a long while since I read it, but I seem to remember that people acted fairly civilized given the circumstances.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:22:18pm |
re: #130 Dark_Falcon
I'm not sure how. What ever I post trying that gets shot up, and I don't know of all the places other people get their sources from.
I like you, Dark, but you're so blinded by partisanship, so apparently willling to RAH RAH RAH for politicians who would sell you and anyone you know or love out for more money or political power. Most criticism of your posts is not out of malice, but out of exasperation that you're ready, at the drop of a hat, to eschew all facts and logic if it doesn't support Your Team.
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erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:23:16pm |
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calochortus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:23:24pm |
re: #140 Joanne
What's worst is they know the private sector will rape disaster victims. I'm sorry, you do not profit from death and disaster. I know it's the GOP way but it's completely devoid of any humanity.
Why do I despise the GOP? This.
And you know what? The private sector will be involved (and appropriately so.) The government (state and federal) does not manufacture temporary housing, or blankets, or food, or bottled water or any of the other things you might need in disaster relief. They buy it from private companies. This is reasonable. Having a private company decide who is going to get that bottled water for their child and how much profit they will make on the deal is not reasonable.
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palomino Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:23:27pm |
re: #52 Dark_Falcon
The Romney campaign's reply:
That doesn't sound like "shut down FEMA" to me. Sounds more like an attempt to square a very difficult circle.
In the debate, Romney parroted what the extreme states rights faction of your party wants: a stripped down federal govt that leaves virtually everything non-military to the states.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:24:06pm |
Looking on the bright side....
No matter how much death and destruction we see from the hurricane we'll still hate roughly 49% of our fellow Americans in the morning. So we got that going for us, which is nice.
/
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makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:24:31pm |
re: #147 Gretchen G.Tiger
can anyone verify?
A friend who lives on 15th St. said he saw the sky light up when it went.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:24:36pm |
I know things have gotten tough for NYC tonight. We are going to get through this together, as New Yorkers always do. #Sandy— Mike Bloomberg (@MikeBloomberg) October 30, 2012
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:24:40pm |
re: #144 Dave In Austin
Ya'll see this?? Humbling indeed
AFAIK, that was not taken during Sandy's onslaught, it's just a stock photo.
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engineer cat Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:25:10pm |
re: #127 Gretchen G.Tiger
I'm trying to think of all the ways Sci-Fi writers have chosen to describe the event that triggered the deconstruction of society.
So far,
Flu epidemic --John Ringo, the Last Centurian
Climate Change and failure of Oil as Economic system-John Scalzi, et al -Metatropolis
Overpopulation --various authors/booksI'm totally drawing a blank after that.
i just saw 'cloud atlas', which i really liked despite it having little or nothing to do with clouds or atlases, but if anybody could describe to me what caused the downfall of society in the most distant future part of it, i'd like to know
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:25:26pm |
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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:25:45pm |
re: #160 engineer cat
but if anybody could describe to me what caused the downfall of society in the most distant future part of it, i'd like to know
Honey Boo Boo's descendants?
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:25:48pm |
re: #160 engineer cat
i just saw 'cloud atlas', which i really liked despite it having little or nothing to do with clouds or atlases, but if anybody could describe to me what caused the downfall of society in the most distant future part of it, i'd like to know
ME!
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R.M, Ramallo Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:25:57pm |
Holy Christ NY! Stay safe, this is worrisome...
Now, the wind here in northern OH,has really picked up.
Schools are closed. They never close the schools around here.
Lights flickering.
Hubby on EMA team, is trying to catch some quick z's before he has to leave again.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:26:07pm |
re: #144 Dave In Austin
That photograph, while powerful, was shot in September, and various media outlets said it was taken today. Context matters. As a photojournalist, I was irritated to no end, and the editors that did not bother to do a simple file info check should be fired.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:26:21pm |
re: #151 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Would you say that the alien invasion in War of the Worlds "triggered the deconstruction of society", though? It's been a long while since I read it, but I seem to remember that people acted fairly civilized given the circumstances.
Well, we really don't know do we? The aliens died, but they left a lot of damage behind. If those things were literally all over the world, I think there would be a lot of ramifications in cleaning things up.
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erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:26:34pm |
re: #156 Killgore Trout
Looking on the bright side....
No matter how much death and destruction we see from the hurricane we'll still hate roughly 49% of our fellow Americans in the morning. So we got that going for us, which is nice.
What a swell guy you are.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:26:45pm |
The shark in the flooded street meme started last year during hurricane Irene. The original shark photo was from National Geographic.
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Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:27:10pm |
Stephen Stills on Mitt #Romney: "I Never Thought I'd See a CreepierPolitician Than Nixon" rol.st/QQaa16 #VOTE #Forward #p2— Dirk (@DirkZ1) October 30, 2012
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:27:25pm |
re: #156 Killgore Trout
Looking on the bright side....
No matter how much death and destruction we see from the hurricane we'll still hate roughly 49% of our fellow Americans in the morning. So we got that going for us, which is nice.
/
fuck you asshole and your absolute non-contribution to this blog.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:27:35pm |
re: #155 palomino
In the debate, Romney parroted what the extreme states rights faction of your party wants: a stripped down federal govt that leaves virtually everything non-military to the states.
He is singing to the choir --scoring points with the cheerleaders.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:28:11pm |
re: #170 Page 3 in the Binder of Women
fuck you asshole and your absolute non-contribution to this blog.
You're welcome.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:28:18pm |
re: #115 kirkspencer
heh. My favorite play on this: So can anyone describe a European FEMA?
The heart of the Mechanism is the Monitoring and Information Centre. It is part of Directorate-General for Humanitarian Aid & Civil Protection of the European Commission and accessible 24 hours a day. It gives countries access to a platform, to a one-stop-shop of civil protection means available amongst the all the participating states. Any country inside or outside the Union affected by a major disaster can make an appeal for assistance through the MIC. It acts as a communication hub at headquarters level between participating states, the affected country and despatched field experts. It also provides useful and updated information on the actual status of an ongoing emergency.[39]
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:29:36pm |
re: #156 Killgore Trout
Looking on the bright side....
No matter how much death and destruction we see from the hurricane we'll still hate roughly 49% of our fellow Americans in the morning. So we got that going for us, which is nice.
/
Glad you put that sarc tag there, but something tells me that you only did it to deflect heat from Lizards (which doesn't seem to be working).
However, I can appreciate you working that Bill Murray quote in from Caddyshack...
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Obdicut Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:29:37pm |
re: #156 Killgore Trout
Try speaking for yourself, and not for other people. Your grasp of humanity's nature is pretty piss-poor.
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palomino Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:29:50pm |
re: #156 Killgore Trout
Looking on the bright side....
No matter how much death and destruction we see from the hurricane we'll still hate roughly 49% of our fellow Americans in the morning. So we got that going for us, which is nice.
/
Make that 49%...plus one.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:30:13pm |
re: #176 Obdicut
Try speaking for yourself, and not for other people. Your grasp of humanity's nature is pretty piss-poor.
How are you? Making babies or something?
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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:30:19pm |
"The presidential candidates decided not to speak about climate change but climate change has decided to speak to them" thenation.com/article/170894...— Ben Adler (@badler) October 30, 2012
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erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:30:23pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:30:30pm |
Is it me, or is that crane's superstructure pulling further away from that building?
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:30:57pm |
re: #174 Gus
FYI - they're tentatively saying that the storm surge from this Cat 1 storm was equivalent to a Cat 3 storm based on the way it hit the coast and size.
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engineer cat Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:30:59pm |
event that triggered the deconstruction of society
democratic version: tax cuts for wealthy and military budget inflation trigger destruction of national pension and health insurance, leading to a society where most people face an impoverished retirement
republican version: expansion of education and better healthcare lead to a devastating hell of healthy young adults without sufficient fear of poverty to become maximally cheap and efficient workers and consumer units
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makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:31:19pm |
re: #181 Varek Raith
Is it me, or is that crane's superstructure pulling further away from that building?
Where are you seeing it?
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The Mountain That Blogs Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:31:21pm |
re: #181 Varek Raith
I don't think it's been pulled further, it just looks rotated.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:31:43pm |
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Obdicut Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:32:03pm |
re: #178 Page 3 in the Binder of Women
How are you? Making babies or something?
Our building is away from flood zones, and we don't get much direct wind. The tree next to us even looks like it'll survive. The biggest danger we face, I think, is power going out-- an inconvenience. Nothing to compare to what the people in lower Manhattan and all the places near the shore in the other boroughs are going through.
It's nice that all NYC shelters take pets.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:32:07pm |
re: #156 Killgore Trout
Is there anyone here who really hates? I've not met them, not one who is posting here now. The only hater we have is Destro and he's not here right now. No, Killgore, there's no haters here and you are talking out of your backside.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:32:10pm |
re: #182 lawhawk
FYI - they're tentatively saying that the storm surge from this Cat 1 storm was equivalent to a Cat 3 storm based on the way it hit the coast and size.
Then a Cat V might bring even worse than a Cat 5 is modeled.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:33:02pm |
re: #130 Dark_Falcon
I'm not sure how. What ever I post trying that gets shot up, and I don't know of all the places other people get their sources from.
Pro tip: Do you see other people leaning on their Dad or their best friend, arguing other people's points of view and then refusing to take responsibility for the shit they just repeated? And I mean not just here but in real life?
Face it, for some reason you never learned how to act like a grown up. Adult relationships don't interest you, you admit to having zero empathy for women, and in general you refuse to think for yourself or own up to your own shit. You're a child who, for whatever reason, just never matured.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:33:40pm |
re: #175 MittDoesNotCompute
Glad you put that sarc tag there, but something tells me that you only did it to deflect heat from Lizards (which doesn't seem to be working).
However, I can appreciate you working that Bill Murray quote in from Caddyshack...
That's not the kind of support I want. That was just po'mouthing the entire blog, and I downdinged it accordingly.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:33:56pm |
Yeah. I'm so disturbed by this hurricane that I'm going to find comfort in who I hate. Brilliant! :P
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:33:58pm |
re: #189 Gus
This storm is going to get DEC/FDNY/NYPD to reevaluate the evacuation plans and flood zones.
Bet on it that the next time they'll be pushing evacuations into B and C zones in NYC because those areas and then some were affected in Sandy.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:34:50pm |
re: #183 engineer cat
event that triggered the deconstruction of society
democratic version: tax cuts for wealthy and military budget inflation trigger destruction of national pension and health insurance, leading to a society where most people face an impoverished retirement
republican version: expansion of education and better healthcare lead to a devastating hell of healthy young adults without sufficient fear of poverty to become maximally cheap and efficient workers and consumer units
Walter Mosley did one that was basically, IIRC, a dystopian future more than a breakdownof society. My memory is fuzzy, but I think it was global corporate government--kinda like extreme fascism. ah, Futureland.
It was one of the more unique visions I've ever read --and well written.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:35:04pm |
I'm really worried about everyone on the South Shore of LI plus those expecting high tide on the North Shore. They're going to be getting hammered hard.
It's going to be a tremendous mess we awake to in the morning.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:35:05pm |
re: #194 lawhawk
This storm is going to get DEC/FDNY/NYPD to reevaluate the evacuation plans and flood zones.
Bet on it that the next time they'll be pushing evacuations into B and C zones in NYC because those areas and then some were affected in Sandy.
Yep. Gotta be ready for worse than this. Which is not saying that this was poorly handled. I just get the feeling from what I'm seeing though is that they don't seem to be ready for a KO. It's workable.
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Lidane Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:36:06pm |
Apparently, Romney HQ has decided to campaign tomorrow:
Romney, Ryan use hurricane for campaign event while NYC drowns bit.ly/W0nCFn— AMERICAblog (@americablog) October 30, 2012
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:36:27pm |
Glub glub glub.
— The Wall Street Bull (@TheWallStBull) October 30, 2012
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:36:42pm |
I suspect this freakstorm will cause many reevaluations in many fields.
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palomino Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:36:51pm |
re: #156 Killgore Trout
Looking on the bright side....
No matter how much death and destruction we see from the hurricane we'll still hate roughly 49% of our fellow Americans in the morning. So we got that going for us, which is nice.
/
Congrats, you made another comment that pissed people off. Mission accomplished!
Ooh, you're so provocative and edgy. Kinda like Frank Zappa...minus 70 IQ points.
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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:36:52pm |
re: #193 Gus
Yeah. I'm so disturbed by this hurricane that's I'm going to find comfort in who I hate. Brilliant! :P
Well, whenever I see AGW causing present-day suffering to actual human beings, I want to go all LVQ on the deniers. Or at least make them switch places with the "hapless reporters".
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makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:36:54pm |
re: #196 lawhawk
I'm really worried about everyone on the South Shore of LI plus those expecting high tide on the North Shore. They're going to be getting hammered hard.
It's going to be a tremendous mess we awake to in the morning.
I'm hearing about fires and boat rescues in the Town of Babylon, but nothing on any news outlets yet. This sucks.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:37:29pm |
re: #127 Gretchen G.Tiger
I'm trying to think of all the ways Sci-Fi writers have chosen to describe the event that triggered the deconstruction of society.
So far,
Flu epidemic --John Ringo, the Last Centurian
Climate Change and failure of Oil as Economic system-John Scalzi, et al -Metatropolis
Overpopulation --various authors/booksI'm totally drawing a blank after that.
Religious hysteria - Nightfall, Isaac Asimov
post-disaster social collapse - The Road, Cormac McCarthy
Sudden reproductive unviability - The Children of Men, PD James
Comet impact - Lucifer's Hammer, Larry Niven
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The Mountain That Blogs Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:37:42pm |
Video of the building collapse from earlier
incredible video of the facade being blown off that apartment building bit.ly/WWKNjm— Jon Ward (@jonward11) October 30, 2012
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:37:46pm |
re: #201 palomino
Congrats, you made another comment that pissed people off. Mission accomplished!
Ooh, you're so provocative and edgy. Kinda like Frank Zappa...minus 70 IQ points.
I can be provocative!
Let's see...
Yes sucks!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:38:03pm |
re: #198 Lidane
Apparently, Romney HQ has decided to campaign tomorrow:
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The DNCC is already queing up the end FEMA quote ad.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:38:18pm |
re: #198 Lidane
Apparently, Romney HQ has decided to campaign tomorrow:
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Romney Campaign "hindering" and "impeding" relief efforts with photo op.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:38:33pm |
re: #202 Interesting Times
Well, whenever I see AGW causing present-day suffering to actual human beings, I want to go all LVQ on the deniers. Or at least make them switch places with the "hapless reporters".
I offered the freepers a tent in my backyard...
/
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:38:39pm |
re: #197 Gus
Infrastructure isn't ready for it - namely tunnels/subways. That's got to be fixed, but it will take significant funds that the MTA doesn't have.
It would mean building storm gates at subway entrances, lifting ventilation grates above flood levels, etc. Some of that simply isn't possible unless they install special equipment to deal with it.
West street is still flooded at the WTC. Waters are receding, but it's a huge mess.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:38:53pm |
re: #202 Interesting Times
Well, whenever I see AGW causing present-day suffering to actual human beings, I want to go all LVQ on the deniers. Or at least make them switch places with the "hapless reporters".
I prefer positive vibrations. At least until I feel another late night rant coming on. ;)
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:38:54pm |
re: #191 goddamnedfrank
That's not it. What it is is that I hold both of those men higher than I hold myself and I tend to follow along. I've grow greatly these last two years, and I've gotten over the truly childish flaws that once plagued my life. I'm respectful now, and I've learned to be frugal as well. And I know I have to succeed at work on my own merits. So I've got growing yet to do, but I'm not a child anymore.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:39:14pm |
re: #210 lawhawk
Infrastructure isn't ready for it - namely tunnels/subways. That's got to be fixed, but it will take significant funds that the MTA doesn't have.
It would mean building storm gates at subway entrances, lifting ventilation grates above flood levels, etc. Some of that simply isn't possible unless they install special equipment to deal with it.
West street is still flooded at the WTC. Waters are receding, but it's a huge mess.
Yep. We're going to need a bigger pump.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:39:16pm |
re: #204 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
Religious hysteria - Nightfall, Isaac Asimov
post-disaster social collapse - The Road, Cormac McCarthy
Sudden reproductive unviability - The Children of Men, PD James
Comet impact - Lucifer's Hammer, Larry Niven
I don't remember the Asimov --luckily it is available on audible.com for less than a $1. WOOT.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:40:45pm |
re: #212 Dark_Falcon
That's not it. What it is is that I hold both of those men higher than I hold myself and I tend to follow along. I've grow greatly these last two years, and I've gotten over the truly childish flaws that once plagued my life. I'm respectful now, and I've learned to be frugal as well. And I know I have to succeed at work on my own merits. So I've got growing yet to do, but I'm not a child anymore.
DF, those men are equal to you in G-d's eyes. Don't put anyone on a pedestal. It's not fair to you or them. Human worship simply not an American concept. Stop it.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:41:19pm |
re: #205 The Mountain That Blogs
Video of the building collapse from earlier
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Whoa!
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Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:42:02pm |
Goldberg is such an asshole.
You're fucking prick RT @jonahnro All I can think about is how all of this destruction will make NYC so much richer according 2 Paul Krugman— Timbo Jones (@joshuetree) October 30, 2012
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:42:25pm |
re: #205 The Mountain That Blogs
Video of the building collapse from earlier
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Wonder why the fire trucks were there to begin with? Lucky. And lucky no one was standing at the window, like the photog.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:42:44pm |
re: #213 Gus
MTA bought a couple of trains that do have major pumps, but I think those aren't going to be sufficient. We're probably going to need to get pumps along the lines of the NOLA flood protection system installed to deal with flooding in places like the tunnels in lower Manhattan at some point - or at least to pump them out more quickly.
They could probably get pumps that normally move concrete in construction projects to help with clearing the tunnels and other locations.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:43:21pm |
re: #181 Varek Raith
Is it me, or is that crane's superstructure pulling further away from that building?
I'm just wondering how many times that boom can flex up and down like that before metal fatigue cracks cause it to break off.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:43:39pm |
re: #218 Page 3 in the Binder of Women
Wonder why the fire trucks were there to begin with? Lucky. And lucky no one was standing at the window, like the photog.
They had the sidewalk below taped off. There must have been obvious movement from inside the building and one of the tenants called that in. Or a passerby perhaps... few bricks falling at first... something like that.
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palomino Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:43:42pm |
re: #212 Dark_Falcon
That's not it. What it is is that I hold both of those men higher than I hold myself and I tend to follow along. I've grow greatly these last two years, and I've gotten over the truly childish flaws that once plagued my life. I'm respectful now, and I've learned to be frugal as well. And I know I have to succeed at work on my own merits. So I've got growing yet to do, but I'm not a child anymore.
I think that's GDF's primary complaint right there. Aren't you like 40 years old? Maybe it's time to stop "following along" in an unquestioning manner.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:44:14pm |
FDNY seem to be not only unable to get into Coney Island but to speak to anyone at the hospital there. via scanner
— Joshua Hersh (@joshuahersh) October 30, 2012
Some shit going down and egofreaks try to direct to themselves.
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Lidane Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:45:34pm |
re: #217 Joanne
Goldberg is such an asshole.
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Goldberg is perfectly aligned with everyone else at NRO.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:45:50pm |
Current listen is King Leopold's Ghost. A rather depressing non-fiction history of the rape of the Congo. What I didn't know is that Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness, which is based on these events, was the basis of the movie Apocalypse Now. Brando's character was most probably based on a real person who played g-d in the Congo.
When left to their own, people can be totally evil. Doesn't make me feel all that good about the "individual" the current crop of the GOP seems to have deified.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:46:31pm |
re: #148 erik_t
As the 3rd Infantry Regiment has explained several times today via twitter, this picture is from a storm in September. However, the Sentinels remain posted at this moment.
Dangit, internet.
While I respect the awesome obligation laid upon them, I really would like some common sense used here. Are they in any actual danger?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:47:12pm |
Has this crossed our minds today?
RT @disaster_update: Alert declared at the Oyster Creek nuclear power plant in # NewJersey #Sandy tinyurl.com/9n2enoe
— Greytdog (@Greytdog) October 30, 2012
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Tigger2 Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:47:23pm |
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Decatur Deb Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:47:49pm |
re: #205 The Mountain That Blogs
Video of the building collapse from earlier
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Note how long it took those thuggish union firemen to run into the collapsing building. Must have taken the first one 10 seconds to get in the door.
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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:48:26pm |
Good fucking grief, it's like Wingnut Tourette's (see reply to Diane Sawyer below):
@dianesawyer Benghazi— Tommy From Texas (@T_Gunns87) October 30, 2012
Reporter: "This unprecedented storm is causing untold damage"...
RWNJ Romney supporter:
Benghazi, Benghazi, squawk squawk derp!
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:48:31pm |
re: #227 Page 3 in the Binder of Women
Has this crossed our minds today?
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I used to live near there when I was a kid.
That place always spooked me.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:49:15pm |
re: #229 Decatur Deb
Note how long it took those thuggish union firemen to run into the collapsing building. Must have taken the first one 10 seconds to get in the door.
Honey badger
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erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:50:02pm |
re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist
While I respect the awesome obligation laid upon them, I really would like some common sense used here. Are they in any actual danger?
Arlington is a pretty open place, and they're close to shelter. I suspect they'd be able to very rapidly take cover if necessary.
Now, they probably wouldn't, but that's probably unavoidable regardless of firmness of orders to the contrary. As far as nebulously-stupid-actions-for-a-higher-purpose, it's a lot better than most martyrdoms in my book.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:50:30pm |
NRC monitoring situation at Oyster Creek nuclear reactor in NJ.
The U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission is continuing to monitor impacts from Hurricane Sandy on nuclear power plants in the Northeastern United States, including an Alert declared at the Oyster Creek nuclear power plant in New Jersey. The plant, currently in a regularly scheduled outage, declared the Alert at approximately 8:45 p.m. EDT due to water exceeding certain high water level criteria in the plant’s water intake structure.
An Alert is the second lowest of four NRC action levels. The Alert was preceded by an Unusual Event, declared at approximately 7 p.m. EDT when the water level first reached a minimum high water level criteria. Water level is rising in the intake structure due to a combination of a rising tide, wind direction and storm surge. It is anticipated water levels will begin to abate within the next several hours.
As of 9 p.m. EDT Monday, no plants had to shut down as a result of the storm although several plants were already out of service for regularly scheduled refueling and maintenance outages. All plants remain in a safe condition, with emergency equipment available if needed and NRC inspectors on-site.
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Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:50:38pm |
re: #198 Lidane
Apparently, Romney HQ has decided to campaign tomorrow:
They're doing a "major disaster relief fundraiser" in OH tomorrow with Richard Petty and some country dude singer.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:50:44pm |
re: #222 palomino
I think that's GDF's primary complaint right there. Aren't you like 40 years old? Maybe it's time to stop "following along" in an unquestioning manner.
I'm 34, actually.
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efuseakay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:50:52pm |
re: #229 Decatur Deb
Note how long it took those thuggish union firemen to run into the collapsing building. Must have taken the first one 10 seconds to get in the door.
We obviously need fewer of them!
//
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:50:59pm |
re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist
It was also pointed out, that the picture was from September, not today.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:51:02pm |
re: #164 Reverend Mother Ramallo
Holy Christ NY! Stay safe, this is worrisome...
Now, the wind here in northern OH,has really picked up.
Schools are closed. They never close the schools around here.
Lights flickering.
Hubby on EMA team, is trying to catch some quick z's before he has to leave again.
We found out this afternoon that my grandmother died this morning. Not entirely unexpected, but it came on fast.
I don't think any of the back East relative are going to be able to make it out this week.
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calochortus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:51:24pm |
re: #225 Gretchen G.Tiger
Have you read "Bury the Chains" by Hochschild? It's about the British Abolitionists and I found it both fascinating and moving. "King Leopold's Ghost" was just so terribly depressing.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:51:39pm |
OK. Thought about it. If you're going to be upset about using this hurricane to make political jokes then you have apply that equally.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:52:07pm |
re: #227 Page 3 in the Binder of Women
Has this crossed our minds today?
[Embedded content]
Just for a bit. Didn't think there was anything to worry about.
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Only The Lurker Knows Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:52:13pm |
Night Lizards.
May your rock and dens be warm.
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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:52:17pm |
re: #235 Joanne
They're doing a "major disaster relief fundraiser" in OH tomorrow with Richard Petty and some country dude singer.
"Dick" and "Petty" are ideal terms for describing the GOP presidential candidate.
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The Mountain That Blogs Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:53:01pm |
Apparently Coney Island Hospital is on fire, on top of the whole area being flooded. This is...bad.
[Link: www.sheepsheadbites.com...]
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Lidane Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:53:18pm |
re: #235 Joanne
They're doing a "major disaster relief fundraiser" in OH tomorrow with Richard Petty and some country dude singer.
"Major disaster relief fundraiser" = cheap campaign photo op.
Instead of trying to further his campaign ambitions, Romney should take the day off. No one cares, and it looks classless to be on the campaign trail during the storm.
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calochortus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:53:47pm |
re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist
We found out this afternoon that my grandmother died this morning. Not entirely unexpected, but it came on fast.
I don't think any of the back East relative are going to be able to make it out this week.
I'm so sorry.
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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:54:27pm |
re: #241 Gus
OK. Thought about it. If you're going to be upset about using this hurricane to make political jokes then you have apply that equally.
I think satirizing genuine stupidity and callousness is fair game, e.g.
"@sallykohn: No, NY Stock Exchange NOT underwater. But millions of homes ARE because of reckless bankers. #HadToBeSaid" Tell it!— Donna Brazile (@donnabrazile) October 30, 2012
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:55:17pm |
re: #238 Dancing along the light of day
It was also pointed out, that the picture was from September, not today.
I did see another one that was taken today. I mean, they're getting wet out there, which is fine, but being swept away by a tidal wave isn't.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:55:47pm |
I was going to make a comment about adding up the costs of this storm to the existing costs of global warming, when I realized my thinking was wrong. What we've heard is that about 15% of this storm can be attributed to global warming, meaning, on first blush, a total cost of say 100 billion results in a 15 billion global warming cost.
But that isn't accurate because that 15% affect on the storm could account for far more than 15% of the cost. Without the 15% affect the surge may have been far lower, the winds much less and the amount of rain would definitely been less. The increase in damage would not be linear. The application of the costs themselves would not be linear, so the costs of global warming would be a non-linear function of a non-linear function.
Getting the right to understand/believe/accept this would be a non-linear headache inducing project.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:56:00pm |
re: #235 Joanne
They're doing a "major disaster relief fundraiser" in OH tomorrow with Richard Petty and some country dude singer.
Well, he should get some credit if the event raises useful funds. He should also make a six figure donation himself, to kickstart things. Those things done, such an event is OK as long as it avoids attacks. If it gets into attack mode though, it'll hurt Mitt. So he needs to focus on garnering relief monies and promoting himself as someone who is steady in a crisis.
Note: This is my advice as to what Mitt Romney should do. If you think he cannot or will not do so, that is another question. But I am trying to lay out a good strategy for him, and it is one that avoids the kind of attacks others here decry.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:56:18pm |
-Alert declared at the Oyster Creek nuclear power plant in New Jersey. Oyster Creek nuclear power plant declared the Alert at approximately 8:45 p.m. EDT due to water exceeding certain high water level criteria in the plant’s water intake structure.
Can't get through to my grandmother.
Dammit.
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DisturbedEma Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:57:52pm |
re: #156 Killgore Trout
There is no protection found in the sarc tag- this is a vile statement, period. I remember you so differently, and it is sad that you are now a closed off shell of who you used to be, your self imposed exile from common sense and rational discourse to blather world was tough enough, but this remark reveals that your exile is not purely intellectual, it is emotional, and I feel sorry for you and for those who love you.
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erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:58:26pm |
re: #252 Varek Raith
(nuke)
The NRC doesn't have its head so far up its own ass that it could see daylight, unlike TEPCO and associated organizations. And even that took a far-worse-than-worst-prediction scenario. It's pretty low on my list of worries.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:58:44pm |
Nation’s oldest nuclear power plant put on alert due to storm-driven high waters
WASHINGTON — The nation’s oldest nuclear power plant is on alert after waters from a colossal storm reached high levels.
Oyster Creek in Lacey Township, N.J., was already offline for regular maintenance before Sandy, a superstorm downgraded Monday night from a hurricane, slammed the East Coast.
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission says an “unusual event” was declared around 7 p.m. when water reached a high level. The situation was upgraded less than two hours later to an “alert,” the second-lowest in a four-tiered warning system.Federal officials say all nuclear plants are still in safe condition. They say water levels near Oyster Creek, which is along the Atlantic Ocean, will likely recede within a few hours.
Oyster Creek went online in 1969 and provides 9 percent of New Jersey’s electricity.
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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:58:53pm |
re: #251 Dark_Falcon
Note: This is my advice as to what Mitt Romney should do. If you think he cannot or will not do so, that is another question. But I am trying to lay out a good strategy for him, and it is one that avoids the kind of attacks others here decry.
Too late:
Read the Romney quote in the fifth paragraph about why #Sandy victims are "counting on Ohio." (To make him President.) goo.gl/S9yJu— Jamil Smith (@JamilSmith) October 30, 2012
Quote in question:
"We're counting on Ohio," Romney continued. "I know the people of the Atlantic Coast are counting on Ohio and the rest of our states, but I also think the people of the entire nation are counting on Ohio because my guess is, my guess is if Ohio votes me in as President, I'll be the next president of the United States."
Miserable, disgusting excuse of a human.
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palomino Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:59:03pm |
re: #236 Dark_Falcon
I'm 34, actually.
Well, 34 is kinda like 40. You'll be there soon enough as it is.
Anyway, my point's the same: it's past time to allow unquestioning allegiance to an elder's ideas to form the basis of your own intellectual development and overarching personal philosophy.
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calochortus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:59:17pm |
re: #251 Dark_Falcon
I think Romney is venturing into politically dangerous territory, no matter whether his intentions are good or not. This does not give me faith in his judgement.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:59:23pm |
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:59:24pm |
re: #256 Varek Raith
Nation’s oldest nuclear power plant put on alert due to storm-driven high waters
IOW, they're on alert for this storm which is good.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 7:59:43pm |
re: #255 erik_t
The NRC doesn't have its head so far up its own ass that it could see daylight, unlike TEPCO and associated organizations. And even that took a far-worse-than-worst-prediction scenario. It's pretty low on my list of worries.
True. I have a history of not liking that place. I lived near it when I was a kid. Nightmares and all about that place.
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erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:00:33pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:00:43pm |
re: #240 calochortus
Have you read "Bury the Chains" by Hochschild? It's about the British Abolitionists and I found it both fascinating and moving. "King Leopold's Ghost" was just so terribly depressing.
No, this is my first by this author. Just checked Audible. Bury the Chains isn't available on audio --yet. :(
This one by Simon Schama and
another book about the same subject by a New Zeland author (whose title and author's names I can't remember) also was excellent--actually better than Shama's.
The author wrote from the Aussie/New Zealand perspective and chronicled a specific former slave from George Washington's household who ended-up being a legend of sorts down under. Her book was much better researched.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:01:02pm |
re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist
We found out this afternoon that my grandmother died this morning. Not entirely unexpected, but it came on fast.
I don't think any of the back East relative are going to be able to make it out this week.
(((((SFZ))))
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:01:03pm |
re: #255 erik_t
The NRC doesn't have its head so far up its own ass that it could see daylight, unlike TEPCO and associated organizations. And even that took a far-worse-than-worst-prediction scenario. It's pretty low on my list of worries.
Huh? That line needs an edit.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:01:07pm |
The NRC continues to monitor impacts of Sandy on nuclear power plants in the Northeastern U.S., including an Alert declared at the Oyster Creek nuclear power plant in New Jersey. The plant, currently in a regularly scheduled outage, declared the Alert at approximately 8:45 p.m. EDT due to water exceeding certain high water level criteria in the plant’s water intake structure.
An Alert is the second lowest of four NRC action levels. The Alert was preceded by an Unusual Event, declared at approximately 7 p.m., EDT, when the water first reached a minimum high water level criteria. Water level is rising in the intake structure due to a combination of a rising tide, wind direction and storm surge. It is anticipated water levels will begin to abate within the next several hours.
As of 9 p.m. EDT Monday, no plants had to shut down as a result of the storm although several plants were already out of service for regularly scheduled refueling and maintenance outages. All plants remain in a safe condition, with emergency equipment available if needed.
Continues.
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Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:01:22pm |
re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm so very sorry for your loss.
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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:01:24pm |
Ha:
Mitt Romney is participating in "flood relief" in Ohio because it's Manhattan's route to the sea.— Bob Cesca (@bobcesca_go) October 30, 2012
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:01:27pm |
re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist
We found out this afternoon that my grandmother died this morning. Not entirely unexpected, but it came on fast.
I don't think any of the back East relative are going to be able to make it out this week.
Condolences, SFZ.
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freetoken Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:01:36pm |
re: #250 b_sharp
It's not only not a linear function, but the costs are probably not technically a "function" anyway.
These type of economic measures are very, very coarse ways of interpreting life, what it means to us, and what we do when we lose it.
Reality - Global warming is rising sea levels.
Life - disasters happen.
The two when crossed give us products that we try to "cost" but we might as well try to put a price on life itself.
Sea levels will continue to rise, and there is indication that we are moving from a decadal average of roughly 3mm/yr to 4mm/yr, and this will increase by the end of the century.
We've already bought that farm. Now we have to figure out how work it.
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ninja cat Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:02:46pm |
re: #251 Dark_Falcon
Why on earth should he make a donation? Or rather, even if he did, why would he publicize such a crass display? His biggest donation would be not politicizing this storm. Or a mea culpa on the need of firemen, FEMA, or his joke on the ocean rising.
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erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:02:50pm |
re: #267 Dark_Falcon
Huh? That line needs an edit.
TEPCO is fucking terrible, and everything associated with the Japanese nuclear system is fucking terrible. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission is not fucking terrible. They're actually fantastic.
I thought it was pretty clear.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:02:57pm |
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JamesWI Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:03:24pm |
Just announced: Ann Romney will be campaigning in Wisc/Iowa tomorrow. Three "storm relief collection" events then a victory rally #sandy
— Christina Wilkie(@christinawilkie) October 30, 2012
The campaign must not be delayed!
While they're out campaigning and trying to pretend they're being humanitarians, Obama will be busy running the country and trying to ACTUALLY help the people affected.
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calochortus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:03:25pm |
re: #265 Gretchen G.Tiger
Sounds interesting. I'll particularly have to try and track the New Zealand one down.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:03:48pm |
re: #249 SanFranciscoZionist
I did see another one that was taken today. I mean, they're getting wet out there, which is fine, but being swept away by a tidal wave isn't.
Sorry for your loss.
The 3rd Infantry Regiment has a weather SOP:
[Link: www.army.mil...]
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:04:03pm |
re: #276 SanFranciscoZionist
Keep us posted.
Got a text from my aunt who also lives there. They lost power hours ago.
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DisturbedEma Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:04:21pm |
re: #251 Dark_Falcon
Because that is so likely. DF, I pity you, I really do, for reasons you cannot even imagine. I too was raised in a household with a family dynamic that, if followed, would have had me bare foot and pregnant, and probably in a relationship that would have been abusive.
Had I respected my father's rules for women, I would not have graduated from college with advanced degrees, and I would not be graduating in May with my PhD- I am not saying all rules should be broken, but it is unwise to blindly follow rules that, at your core, make no sense. I remain the only female college graduate of any kind in my family, despite having 4 sisters because they followed the rules, with less than great outcomes for some of them- just some food for thought for you.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:05:15pm |
re: #275 erik_t
TEPCO is fucking terrible, and everything associated with the Japanese nuclear system is fucking terrible. The Nuclear Regulatory Commission is not fucking terrible. They're actually fantastic.
I thought it was pretty clear.
Sorry. I get it now, your colloquialism kind of threw me. My own few contacts with NRC personnel were with people who were smart, well informed and capable. So I agree with you on the NRC.
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Talking Point Detective Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:06:21pm |
Report from Philly:
I was expecting to get tons o' water in my basement - which I could handle with the three utility pumps I hooked up, but I was worried that I would lose power and wind up with a couple of furnaces, hot water heaters, and an AC unit ruined along with tons of tools and stuff. All generators were long gone by mid-week last week.
We got much less rain that I expected and we still haven't lost power. Basement is actually bone dry.
Small consolation for those who have sustained more serious damage.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:06:26pm |
re: #251 Dark_Falcon
Well, he should get some credit if the event raises useful funds. He should also make a six figure donation himself, to kickstart things. Those things done, such an event is OK as long as it avoids attacks. If it gets into attack mode though, it'll hurt Mitt. So he needs to focus on garnering relief monies and promoting himself as someone who is steady in a crisis.
Note: This is my advice as to what Mitt Romney should do. If you think he cannot or will not do so, that is another question. But I am trying to lay out a good strategy for him, and it is one that avoids the kind of attacks others here decry.
Yes. Strategy. That's what really needs discussing tonight.
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:06:39pm |
re: #225 Gretchen G.Tiger
Current listen is King Leopold's Ghost. A rather depressing non-fiction history of the rape of the Congo. What I didn't know is that Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness, which is based on these events, was the basis of the movie Apocalypse Now. Brando's character was most probably based on a real person who played g-d in the Congo.
When left to their own, people can be totally evil. Doesn't make me feel all that good about the "individual" the current crop of the GOP seems to have deified.
Multiple generations of European men went off to make their fortune and/or sow their wild oats in colonial holdings. While the Congo might have been the most blatantly violent and abusive, and the models for Kurtz the ur-cases of monomania, it was accepted practice that what happens in the colonies stays in the colonies. As much as Heart of Darkness is about the individual capacity for evil when granted power, it's also about the societal system that conspired to not-see the problem.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:06:53pm |
Holy shit that wind is bitterly, bitterly cold.
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DisturbedEma Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:07:16pm |
re: #258 Interesting Times
Just speechless. . .fucking A this man is a moral train wreck Da fuq was he thinking Channeling The Gipper????
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Decatur Deb Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:07:56pm |
re: #282 Dark_Falcon
Sorry. I get it now, your colloquialism kind of threw me. My own few contacts with NRC personnel were with people who were smart, well informed and capable. So I agree with you on the NRC.
The Nuclear Regulatory Commission is not in the Constitution. It's responsibilities should devolve to the states.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:08:12pm |
Our thoughts & prayers with the brave healthcare workers & patients at NYU hospital where they lost backup generator & being evacuated.
— SEIU Healthcare PA (@seiuhcpa) October 30, 2012
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:08:15pm |
re: #285 The Ghost of a Flea
Multiple generations of European men went off to make their fortune and/or sow their wild oats in colonial holdings. While the Congo might have been the most blatantly violent and abusive, and the models for Kurtz the ur-cases of monomania, it was accepted practice that what happens in the colonies stays in the colonies. As much as Heart of Darkness is about the individual capacity for evil when granted power, it's also about the societal system that conspired to not-see the problem.
There seem to be a whole political party that would be happy to return to that.
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calochortus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:08:46pm |
re: #274 ninja cat
Why on earth should he make a donation? Or rather, even if he did, why would he publicize such a crass display? His biggest donation would be not politicizing this storm. Or a mea culpa on the need of firemen, FEMA, or his joke on the ocean rising.
Well, you've put your finger on much of the problem. Now that Romney is doing relief work, if he makes a donation people will (rightly or wrongly) critique the amount-unless he doesn't say and then they'll wonder why he won't reveal the amount. And, they'll say he's grandstanding. If he doesn't announce a contribution, people will ask if he contributed himself or not, and if not, why not. It seems like your basic no-win situation.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:09:37pm |
re: #277 JamesWI
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The campaign must not be delayed!
While they're out campaigning and trying to pretend they're being humanitarians, Obama will be busy running the country and trying to ACTUALLY help the people affected.
Water bottles, bring your water bottles. geeze.
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efuseakay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:10:42pm |
re: #284 Mocking Jay
Yes. Strategy. That's what really needs discussing tonight.
See how they think?
How will this make me look?
Not a damn modicum of consideration for the people suffering through this.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:11:20pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:12:28pm |
Finding shelters: Download the Red Cross Hurricane app, visit the Red Cross web site, or check your local media outlets. You should also register on the Red Cross Safe and Well website, a secure and easy-to-use online tool that helps families connect during emergencies. Finally, you can download the FEMA smartphone app or text SHELTER and your Zip Code to 43362 (4FEMA). Standard rates apply
Donate blood: If you’re not in an affected area, please consider donating blood, because numerous blood drives have been canceled as a result of the storm. To schedule a blood donation or for more information about giving blood or platelets, visit redcrossblood.org or call 1-800-RED CROSS ([no phone numbers allowed]).
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Mich-again Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:12:31pm |
And here is a place where climate deniers are right now ridiculing the Obama controlled media and all the made up hype over Sandy all because the storm was not classified a hurricane when it landed ... proving once again global warming is a hoax. Watts up with that?
I cannot find a photo or video that looks like a major storm surge. In New York City, all I see are events of water sloshing over seawalls. Wind damage seems all but nonexistent, though one crane happened to collapse. I just do not see the major storm that has been hyped for two days. Sorry, but the MSM are demented. Given the MSM’s propensity for unbridled hype, they should not be allowed to play with computer models.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:13:11pm |
re: #277 JamesWI
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The campaign must not be delayed!
While they're out campaigning and trying to pretend they're being humanitarians, Obama will be busy running the country and trying to ACTUALLY help the people affected.
Since we're on the subject of helping the affected, I just want to say that Cory Booker is the effin man. That is all.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:13:17pm |
re: #294 Gretchen G.Tiger
"I am not worried at this point about the impact on the election. I'm worried about the impact on families, and I'm worried about the impact on our first responders. I'm worried about the impact on our economy and on transportation," Obama told reporters.
"The election will take care of itself next week. Right now our number one priority is to make sure that we are saving lives."
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Mich-again Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:13:56pm |
re: #296 Mich-again
And this beauty...
But if this is an example of Climate Chaos, bring it on!
P.S. How many days since a hurricane has made landfall in the USA?
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:14:02pm |
re: #272 freetoken
It's not only not a linear function, but the costs are probably not technically a "function" anyway.
These type of economic measures are very, very coarse ways of interpreting life, what it means to us, and what we do when we lose it.
Reality - Global warming is rising sea levels.
Life - disasters happen.The two when crossed give us products that we try to "cost" but we might as well try to put a price on life itself.
Sea levels will continue to rise, and there is indication that we are moving from a decadal average of roughly 3mm/yr to 4mm/yr, and this will increase by the end of the century.
We've already bought that farm. Now we have to figure out how work it.
I was just trying to make a point that a 1% increase in affect will result in more than a 1% increase in damage and a 1% increase in damage will result in more than a 1% increase in costs. Assigning the costs in this to global warming would be a tool to use in convincing politicians that it will be less expensive to deal with CO2 output now rather than later.
The difficulty will be to get them to see how a small increase in affect results in a greater cost than a simple minded approach would give.
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allegro Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:14:10pm |
re: #291 calochortus
Well, you've put your finger on much of the problem. Now that Romney is doing relief work, if he makes a donation people will (rightly or wrongly) critique the amount-unless he doesn't say and then they'll wonder why he won't reveal the amount. And, they'll say he's grandstanding. If he doesn't announce a contribution, people will ask if he contributed himself or not, and if not, why not. It seems like your basic no-win situation.
It's because in the past months/years we've gotten to know who and what Romney is. We know his callous "I've got mine, fuck you" approach to business, life, and leading because he's shown it to us over and over again. We know he lies with ease and takes no action without considering what advantage it will be to him. This is just another opportunity for him. He cares nothing about the people affected - only his own shallow goals.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:14:22pm |
THIS is what we are dealing with.
THIS. And anyone wonders why we bad mouth the fuck out of GOP?
slime
Go to my website to get second installment of the grassley /Issa report on FastandFurious investigation
— ChuckGrassley (@ChuckGrassley) October 29, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:15:22pm |
re: #291 calochortus
Well, you've put your finger on much of the problem. Now that Romney is doing relief work, if he makes a donation people will (rightly or wrongly) critique the amount-unless he doesn't say and then they'll wonder why he won't reveal the amount. And, they'll say he's grandstanding. If he doesn't announce a contribution, people will ask if he contributed himself or not, and if not, why not. It seems like your basic no-win situation.
But if he does nothing, then he's just accepting the loss. He has to get attention to win the election and that means the blowback risks simply have to be run. They can be reduced with smart planning, but "He who will not risk cannot win."
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SteveMcG Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:15:32pm |
From the inside, it didn't seem like much of a big deal. But I went up on deck to look around and saw that part of the dock has left the marina. Maybe we'll catch it when the tide goes back out.
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calochortus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:15:49pm |
re: #296 Mich-again
And here is a place where climate deniers are right now ridiculing the Obama controlled media and all the made up hype over Sandy all because the storm was not classified a hurricane when it landed ... proving once again global warming is a hoax. Watts up with that?
I take it the commenter does not live in a coastal area him or herself?
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Mocking Jay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:16:10pm |
re: #296 Mich-again
And here is a place where climate deniers are right now ridiculing the Obama controlled media and all the made up hype over Sandy all because the storm was not classified a hurricane when it landed ... proving once again global warming is a hoax. Watts up with that?
Morons. Fucking morons. Largest surge in Battery Park since the early 19th century, no? I really think they enjoy being stupid.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:16:31pm |
No fire at Coney Island hospital - FDNY on scene reporting.
#FDNY units are on scene at Coney Island Hospital. No confirmed fire or reports of injuries at this time.— FDNY (@FDNY) October 30, 2012
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Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:17:27pm |
Power still on and off, wind off the charts, mega trees flapping in the breeze like rag dolls and I have to say, it's freaking me right out. And I'm, what, 800+ miles from NYC.
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:17:57pm |
re: #307 Mocking Jay
Words can't describe the abject stupidity. Tidal gauges show massive storm surge/tidal surges resulting from this storm. Massive amounts of water across Lower Manhattan.
That didn't miracle itself into those places. That's all the result of Sandy and the massive storm fetch.
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R.M, Ramallo Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:18:02pm |
re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist
We found out this afternoon that my grandmother died this morning. Not entirely unexpected, but it came on fast.
I don't think any of the back East relative are going to be able to make it out this week.
I'm so sorry to hear that.
My heart goes out to you and your family.
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erik_t Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:18:06pm |
re: #304 Dark_Falcon
But if he does nothing, then he's just accepting the loss. He has to get attention to win the election and that means the blowback risks simply have to be run. They can be reduced with smart planning, but "He who will not risk cannot win."
No. Just no.
If Romney wants to campaign on actual policy and facts and such, fine. At this exact moment, even? Fine. The direction of the country is important, hurricane timing to the contrary.
This is a time for respectful, thoughtful, low-key and understated discussions. Not offensive bullshit sound-bite hurr-hurr blame-the-black-man. Now I recognize that this describes Romney's entire campaign to the present day, but that's his problem, not mine.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:18:12pm |
re: #304 Dark_Falcon
But if he does nothing, then he's just accepting the loss. He has to get attention to win the election and that means the blowback risks simply have to be run. They can be reduced with smart planning, but "He who will not risk cannot win."
Oh for fuck's sake...
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:18:48pm |
Oh, and we're again getting rain plus wind is picking up again here in Bergen County.
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efuseakay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:18:49pm |
re: #304 Dark_Falcon
But if he does nothing, then he's just accepting the loss. He has to get attention to win the election and that means the blowback risks simply have to be run. They can be reduced with smart planning, but "He who will not risk cannot win."
See what I mean folks?
Again, it's only about how Romney can look good/how he can use Sandy to his advantage. Not a single mention of the millions of fellow Americans being effected by this storm.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:21:44pm |
re: #308 lawhawk
No fire at Coney Island hospital - FDNY on scene reporting.
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Lots of false reports. Nothing new.
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makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:21:51pm |
re: #304 Dark_Falcon
But if he does nothing, then he's just accepting the loss. He has to get attention to win the election and that means the blowback risks simply have to be run. They can be reduced with smart planning, but "He who will not risk cannot win."
The optics could end up being so bad, he'd be slitting his own electoral throat.
Hell, they're bad now. He's gonna get hammered on his FEMA comments as it is. If he goes out and runs these events as political events, he's done. I fully approve of him attempting it, because he's proven himself so completely tone-deaf he'll sink his own campaign once and for all.
Go for it, Mitt. Just fuckin' do it.
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Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:22:02pm |
re: #296 Mich-again
Holy. Shit. Are they freaking blind? What us this, a moon landing hoax?
Humanity makes me sad sometimes.
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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:22:07pm |
Hey, America. Please don't vote for the guy who joked about rising sea levels during his convention speech. Thanks. Love, New York.— Doug Gordon (@thedouggordon) October 30, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:22:10pm |
re: #315 efuseakay
See what I mean folks?
Again, it's only about how Romney can look good/how he can use Sandy to his advantage. Not a single mention of the millions of fellow Americans brewing effected by this storm.
They are who the relief money is going to go to help. Romney's not the president, so the best thing he can do is raise money for those in need.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:22:42pm |
A. Coney Island Hospital is not burning down.
B. Oyster Creek is not melting down.
C. The NYSE is not under 3 feet of water.
More to come.
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calochortus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:23:14pm |
re: #321 Dark_Falcon
They are who the relief money is going to go to help. Romney's not the president, so the best thing he can do is raise money for those in need.
Wrong. The best he can do is decide that FEMA should be supported fully.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:23:32pm |
Heaven forbid the stormin' Mormon do something useful and actually try to lead that party he's the head of towards doing something to our benefit that doesn't involve electing him...
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efuseakay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:23:40pm |
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calochortus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:24:08pm |
re: #323 calochortus
And perhaps try to deal with climate change as a serious subject.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:25:39pm |
re: #324 Mocking Jay
Heaven forbid the stormin' Mormon do something useful and actually try to lead that party he's the head of towards doing something to our benefit that doesn't involve electing him...
How would we know the difference, at this point? A good person would not not be able to do something, if he has the means and the ability.
I suppose he could not announce what he's doing, at which point we would sit around and carp that he did nothing.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:25:42pm |
re: #319 Joanne
Holy. Shit. Are they freaking blind? What us this, a moon landing hoax?
Humanity makes me sad sometimes.
Why I can't be a Republican: I don't like being wrong. I fucking hate it. And when I am I do everything I can to be right. Instant disqualification.
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Lidane Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:25:45pm |
re: #304 Dark_Falcon
But if he does nothing, then he's just accepting the loss.
Tough shit. Hurricane Sandy > Mitt's feelings.
It's not anyone else's fault that he's been running for POTUS for the better part of a decade. Part of being President is acting presidential. Having a series of campaign rallies and photo ops disguised as disaster fundraisers is nothing more than profiting off disaster and death.
Fuck that. He should suck it up and act like a human being for once in his life.
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The Mountain That Blogs Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:26:03pm |
re: #322 Gus
I'm actually surprised at the general LACK of totally false information (my report on Coney notwithstanding). Most of it gets shot down real fast.
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Mich-again Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:26:07pm |
re: #319 Joanne
Holy. Shit. Are they freaking blind? What us this, a moon landing hoax?
Humanity makes me sad sometimes.
And you look around there, someone puts a lot of effort into that site. To help spread ignorance. Like a black hole of intelligence...
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:26:36pm |
PSEG reporting that they had to shut down three power stations due to storm surge affecting 70k mostly in Bergen/Essex. That's on top of all the rest of the outages due to wind damage to transmission system.
And with that, I'm packing it in. Stay safe and see you on the flip side. Hopefully.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:26:39pm |
re: #331 The Mountain That Blogs
I'm actually surprised at the general LACK of totally false information (my report on Coney notwithstanding). Most of it gets shot down real fast.
Yeah. It was actually pretty good. I just have three. That's not so bad.
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Lidane Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:26:45pm |
re: #321 Dark_Falcon
Romney's not the president, so the best thing he can do is raise money for those in need.
No, the best he can do is act like a human being who gives a shit about something other than winning an election.
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efuseakay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:26:50pm |
re: #321 Dark_Falcon
They are who the relief money is going to go to help. Romney's not the president, so the best thing he can do is raise money for those in need.
You're a fool.
He's not doing it to help anyone but himself. The "fundraiser" is just the means he is using. Let me know when all his billionaire buddies line up with checks written out to The Red Cross.
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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:27:13pm |
re: #296 Mich-again
And here is a place where climate deniers are right now ridiculing the Obama controlled media and all the made up hype over Sandy all because the storm was not classified a hurricane when it landed ... proving once again global warming is a hoax. Watts up with that?
People have already died from this storm. Would this criminally stupid, drooling waste of skin and oxygen like to go for a drive in the affected areas to prove his point?
[the rest of what I have to say redacted due to LGF commenting rules]
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prairiefire Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:27:20pm |
re: #333 lawhawk
PSEG reporting that they had to shut down three power stations due to storm surge affecting 70k mostly in Bergen/Essex. That's on top of all the rest of the outages due to wind damage to transmission system.
And with that, I'm packing it in. Stay safe and see you on the flip side. Hopefully.
Be safe!
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lawhawk Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:27:49pm |
re: #322 Gus
D. Con Ed employees trapped in building (perhaps Con Ed 14th Street station where transformers blew up sending part of Manhattan into darkness).
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:28:18pm |
re: #339 lawhawk
D. Con Ed employees trapped in building (perhaps Con Ed 14th Street station where transformers blew up sending part of Manhattan into darkness).
Didn't see that one. OK. 4.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:28:49pm |
re: #336 efuseakay
You're a fool.
He's not doing it to help anyone but himself. The "fundraiser" is just the means he is using. Let me know when all his billionaire buddies line up with checks written out to The Red Cross.
Start with the ring he kissed, Donald Trump.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:29:18pm |
There is much misinformation being spread about #Sandy's impact on #NYC. You can get reliable info from @nycmayorsoffice, @notifynyc & us.— FDNY (@FDNY) October 30, 2012
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Mich-again Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:30:03pm |
re: #321 Dark_Falcon
They are who the relief money is going to go to help. Romney's not the president, so the best thing he can do is raise money for those in need.
He could write a check himself without the photo/op and tossing out coded insults at Obama as soon as he grabs the mic.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:30:06pm |
Checking in here from the east coast. Power was out twice. Windy as hell tonight.
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efuseakay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:30:15pm |
re: #341 Page 3 in the Binder of Women
Start with the ring he kissed, Donald Trump.
That's $5m right there.
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Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:31:18pm |
re: #330 Lidane
Fuck that. He should suck it up and act like a human being for once in his life.
Can't be what you're not.
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Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:32:32pm |
re: #332 Mich-again
And you look around there, someone puts a lot of effort into that site. To help spread ignorance. Like a black hole of intelligence...
Funded by Koch or big oil?
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:33:03pm |
I've never seen school cancelled this early in the year. Pretty crazy stuff.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:33:55pm |
re: #344 Mich-again
He could write a check himself without the photo/op and tossing out coded insults at Obama as soon as he grabs the mic.
The event has not happened yet. It's not just to say he's going to fling insults when you don't even know what he's going to say. And I've made pretty clear Mitt should not insult the president. He can show he can raise lots of aid money quickly and make sure it gets where it needs to go. This event should take the high road and avoid attacks.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:34:00pm |
Oh no. RT @ditzkoff From CBS: lines of ambulances waiting to take patients away from NYU hospital. twitter.com/ditzkoff/statu...— josh groban (@joshgroban) October 30, 2012
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:34:39pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:34:57pm |
re: #331 The Mountain That Blogs
I'm actually surprised at the general LACK of totally false information (my report on Coney notwithstanding). Most of it gets shot down real fast.
Oyster Creek is in Benghazi.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:35:17pm |
re: #357 Page 3 in the Binder of Women
Hey! That was from out here!
That was from the Virginia earthquake.
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Lidane Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:35:23pm |
re: #354 Dark_Falcon
This event should take the high road and avoid attacks.
The event itself takes the low road by existing at all.
If Mitt Romney had any decency and gave a fuck about the high road, he wouldn't be campaigning during this disaster. Period.
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Mich-again Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:35:53pm |
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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:36:20pm |
re: #354 Dark_Falcon
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Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:36:53pm |
re: #354 Dark_Falcon
The event has not happened yet. It's not just to say he's going to fling insults when you don't even know what he's going to say. And I've made pretty clear Mitt should not insult the president. He can show he can raise lots of aid money quickly and make sure it gets where it needs to go. This event should take the high road and avoid attacks.
Yes but he is.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:37:06pm |
There is a big broken branch near the top of a tree nearest the deck. Looks stuck. Must be 6 - 10 inches in diameter.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:37:29pm |
re: #354 Dark_Falcon
The event has not happened yet. It's not just to say he's going to fling insults when you don't even know what he's going to say. And I've made pretty clear Mitt should not insult the president. He can show he can raise lots of aid money quickly and make sure it gets where it needs to go. This event should take the high road and avoid attacks.
You know what dude, there's not much he can do without looking bad at this point.
This is an American disaster. He's unfortunately on the wrong side of it. Water bottles aren't going to help. There will be a red cross # to text tomorrow, it will not be #Romney.
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JamesWI Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:37:41pm |
Letterman taped his show without an audience. This is gonna be a weird one.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:37:59pm |
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Lidane Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:38:16pm |
re: #367 JamesWI
Letterman taped his show without an audience. This is gonna be a weird one.
Jimmy Fallon taped his show without a crowd too.
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Mich-again Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:38:29pm |
re: #354 Dark_Falcon
The event has not happened yet. It's not just to say he's going to fling insults when you don't even know what he's going to say. And I've made pretty clear Mitt should not insult the president. He can show he can raise lots of aid money quickly and make sure it gets where it needs to go. This event should take the high road and avoid attacks.
He can't stop himself DF. And he can write a check with lots of zeroes quicker than any fundraiser which would of course be political could drum up with chicken dinners and a speech by Mitt.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:39:40pm |
re: #365 Varek Raith
There is a big broken branch near the top of a tree nearest the deck. Looks stuck. Must be 6 - 10 inches in diameter.
STAY INSIDE YOU FOOL!
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Mich-again Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:40:05pm |
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:40:13pm |
re: #350 Joanne
Funded by Koch or big oil?
Likely. WattsUpWithThat is the number one denialist blog and has won Best Science Blog a few times. It's where the weather station bad siting meme got started. According to Anthony the temperature increase is due to urban heat island effect and high altitude stations being ignored.
Anthony's biggest problem is his inability to understand anomalies, homogenization and adjustments all necessary to understand temperature record keeping and analysis.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:41:10pm |
re: #372 Page 3 in the Binder of Women
STAY INSIDE YOU FOOL!
I totally am.
;)
Also, it's snowing here...
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:42:02pm |
May have been posted, but first time I saw.
RIP 2 sailors.
Coast Guard photo of the HMS Bounty submerged in the Atlantic Ocean. twitpic.com/b8nd39 via @uscg #sandy
— Russell Lewis (@NPRrussell) October 30, 2012
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:42:18pm |
WTF is this shit?!
Freaking snowing during a hurricane....
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:42:26pm |
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efuseakay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:42:44pm |
re: #354 Dark_Falcon
The event has not happened yet. It's not just to say he's going to fling insults when you don't even know what he's going to say. And I've made pretty clear Mitt should not insult the president. He can show he can raise lots of aid money quickly and make sure it gets where it needs to go. This event should take the high road and avoid attacks.
re: #369 Lidane
Jimmy Fallon taped his show without a crowd too.
But that's normal.
//
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:43:11pm |
re: #378 Page 3 in the Binder of Women
How far south is the snow?
I dunno, I'm 25 miles south of DC. Rain with big snow flakes mixing in.
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Lidane Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:43:18pm |
Reports: National Guard evacuating hundreds in Greenwich, CT who did not heed warnings. Also 80% of Westport, CT without power #Sandy— Hurricane Central (@twc_hurricane) October 30, 2012
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Interesting Times Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:44:25pm |
re: #374 b_sharp
Likely. WattsUpWithThat is the number one denialist blog and has won Best Science Blog a few times.
What the ever-living monkeyfuck from hell? That's like a pro-rape blog winning an award for "best feminist site" o_O
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:44:39pm |
Definitely calming down here in the DC metro.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:45:14pm |
Wall Street's lit up but NYU Med is all in the dark man. That's this country man. Right. And NYU Med is located on the East River.
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efuseakay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:45:42pm |
Seeing infants being evacuated from NYU Hospital (Nightline), and all Romney can think about is how he can take advantage of this. Prick.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:46:18pm |
I don't think I've heard the wind this loud before.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:46:23pm |
re: #383 Interesting Times
What the ever-living monkeyfuck from hell? That's like a pro-rape blog winning an award for "best feminist site" o_O
It has boggled minds for years. It beat out (Science Blogs) Pharyngula.
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darthstar Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:47:00pm |
re: #363 Interesting Times
Heh...Gay Marriage is the reason for this storm. Romney wouldn't be affected if wife #7 wasn't named Herbert.
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Lidane Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:47:07pm |
So are we still going to go with climate change not being real fellow republicans?— Meghan McCain (@McCainBlogette) October 30, 2012
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Cheeseland Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:47:53pm |
re: #386 Gus
The problem is the backup generators or in the East River.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:48:16pm |
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geoduck Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:48:21pm |
re: #389 b_sharp
It has boggled minds for years. It beat out (Science Blogs) Pharyngula.
Who is handing out the awards?
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Mocking Jay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:48:33pm |
re: #387 efuseakay
Seeing infants being evacuated from NYU Hospital (Nightline), and all Romney can think about is how he can take advantage of this. Prick.
He's running for office, for Pete's sake!
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:48:38pm |
re: #393 Cheeseland
The problem is the backup generators or in the East River.
You'll get more flooding. Wall Street is upground.
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makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:49:06pm |
re: #386 Gus
Wall Street's lit up but NYU Med is all in the dark man. That's this country man. Right. And NYU Med is located on the East River.
I'm chatting with a friend who knows these things, and she said NYC had somewhere on the order of a dozen huge generators (like semi-sized generators mounted on trucks) within blocks of NYU, and someone really fucked up by issuing that evac order.
According to my friend, it was completely unnecessary.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:49:49pm |
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R.M, Ramallo Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:50:03pm |
re: #388 HappyWarrior
I don't think I've heard the wind this loud before.
Same here.
Well, not unless there's a blizzard.
I peeked outside expecting a downpour, and discovered it was the wind.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:50:03pm |
re: #399 makeitstop
I'm chatting with a friend who knows these things, and she said NYC had somewhere on the order of a dozen huge generators (like semi-sized generators mounted on trucks) within blocks of NYU, and someone really fucked up by issuing that evac order.
According to my friend, it was completely unnecessary.
Ouch.
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Lidane Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:50:23pm |
re: #391 Lidane
Instadouche replied:
@erinhaust @mccainblogette Weather is not climate.Remember?— Instapundit.com (@instapundit) October 30, 2012
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Mocking Jay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:50:47pm |
re: #391 Lidane
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I know someone who's waking up next to a horse-head in the morning...
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Mich-again Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:51:01pm |
re: #374 b_sharp
Likely. WattsUpWithThat is the number one denialist blog and has won Best Science Blog a few times. It's where the weather station bad siting meme got started. According to Anthony the temperature increase is due to urban heat island effect and high altitude stations being ignored.
Anthony's biggest problem is his inability to understand anomalies, homogenization and adjustments all necessary to understand temperature record keeping and analysis.
To me its pretty simple.. Warmer oceans and warmer air lead to more extreme weather events because the air can hold more water only to dump later if the warm moist swirling air meets up with a cold front. . Its the Psychrometric chart. The numbers aren't as important as the shape of the curve.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:51:22pm |
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darthstar Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:51:28pm |
re: #402 Varek Raith
Yep, I'm staying downstairs for the most part.
Take off all your clothes, put on a bathrobe (leave it open so it flies in the wind), and go onto the roof and pretend you're Prospero and shout, "Blow, tempest, blow!" Trust me...your neighbors will find it the most entertaining memory of the storm.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:51:30pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:52:31pm |
re: #354 Dark_Falcon
The event has not happened yet. It's not just to say he's going to fling insults when you don't even know what he's going to say. And I've made pretty clear Mitt should not insult the president. He can show he can raise lots of aid money quickly and make sure it gets where it needs to go. This event should take the high road and avoid attacks.
The fact that he's even scheduled this event at all, with Sandy still churning inland, completely validates all of the stereotypes of Mitt that show him as arrogant, aloof, and completely unable to connect or relate with people below his social station.
If he really wanted to help in the Sandy disaster relief without the appearance that he's only doing it to benefit him politically, with a week until Election Day, I would be satisfied if he made announcements, online and in TV ads, for supporters to donate to the Red Cross and other relief organizations.
Nothing more, nothing less...and that would be presidential.
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makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:53:43pm |
re: #404 Gus
Ouch.
Her words:
The city has a HUGE cache of equipment hidden all over. I'm aware of it because I was a lieutenant and we were responsible for all incident command and resources. The fact that some asshole gave an evac order as opposed to getting a tractor trailer to haul 2 generators in floors me. This started at 3 pm...
This part scares the fuck out of me:
I'm worried about tunnel and bridge compromise
(Shudder)
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:53:58pm |
re: #409 darthstar
OMG, that cracked me up!
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:55:22pm |
Somehow Riders on the Storm always feels appropriate to put on during a storm.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:55:34pm |
I'm out. Thanks for all the info tonight. Stay safe.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:55:45pm |
re: #405 Lidane
Instadouche replied:
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@instapundit @erinhaust @mccainblogette I eagerly await a peer reviewed scientific paper from you Glenn WRT to this hurricane. I'll wait.— Gus (@Gus_802) October 30, 2012
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darthstar Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:55:46pm |
re: #413 Dancing along the light of day
OMG, that cracked me up!
Just be glad you don't live with me...drives my wife crazy when I do that. I love a good storm.
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calochortus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:56:44pm |
Good night all. Stay inside, except for Varek-you should take Darthstar's advice. I want to see photos on the morning news. Everyone should stay safe.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:57:18pm |
re: #304 Dark_Falcon
But if he does nothing, then he's just accepting the loss.
It's good to see you admit that Romney is in a poor position, statistically likely to lose. You wouldn't be advocating such a risky strategy if you thought Mitt held the stronger position.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:57:23pm |
It seems the wind prevented the backyard from flooding.
Silver lining!
/
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Mocking Jay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 8:58:54pm |
Time for some shut-eye. Stay safe my fellow tri-state lizards.
And by safe I mean don't do what Darth would do...
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darthstar Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:03:13pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:03:51pm |
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Joanne Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:04:41pm |
The shocking overuse of the Senate filibuster in the 6 yrs of Democratic majority & 4 yrs of PBO presented graphically. twitter.com/LCL2012/status...— LeftCoastLean (@LCL2012) October 30, 2012
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:06:21pm |
Old but ROFL.
Image: ZZ273FD415.jpg
That's closed captioning you dipshit.
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Gus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:07:04pm |
Damn. Conservatives are really stupid. It's really kind of amazing.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:07:59pm |
re: #426 Varek Raith
Old but ROFL.
Image: ZZ273FD415.jpgThat's closed captioning you dipshit.
Dumbest man on the internet.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:09:02pm |
re: #408 b_sharp
Weblogs Awards. [Link: 2012.bloggi.es...]
If Ron Paul had a blog he would win every prize, every year.
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darthstar Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:09:20pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:09:59pm |
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Lidane Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:12:15pm |
Scientists say #HurricaneSandy likely linked to record ArcticSea loss this yr but fuck them they're just scientists what does the bible say?— Bill Maher (@billmaher) October 30, 2012
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HappyWarrior Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:12:44pm |
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JamesWI Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:14:35pm |
The real star of the hurricane:
[Link: signlanguagelady.tumblr.com...]
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makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:17:24pm |
re: #434 JamesWI
The real star of the hurricane:
[Link: signlanguagelady.tumblr.com...]
I was just watching Bloomie's last presser. She was great. Gave me a much-needed laugh after a very tense day.
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wheat-dogg Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:23:04pm |
re: #434 JamesWI
The real star of the hurricane:
[Link: signlanguagelady.tumblr.com...]
I think I'm in love.
| 437 |
Amory Blaine Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:23:29pm |
Maybe Paul Ryan can pump out a pool in Montana for a photo shoot tomorrow.
| 438 |
ProGunLiberal Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:25:44pm |
After seeing one of the darkest days in US history, and the US's crown jewel of a city heavily damaged, I think I will retire for the night.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:28:47pm |
re: #438 ProGunLiberal
Chicago, the Lieutenant City, will pick up some of the activity that New York isn't going to be able to do for a little while.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:29:47pm |
re: #439 ProGunLiberal
Chicago, the Lieutenant City, will pick up some of the activity that New York isn't going to be able to do for a little while.
Not that easy, I'm afraid. But Chicago will help, and New York will recover faster than you think.
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Varek Raith Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:30:09pm |
Internet connection is getting flaky. Later all.
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Lidane Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:30:23pm |
Half the city of Hoboken, New Jersey, is flooded, said Mayor Dawn Zimmer.The city of 50,000 has had to evacuate two of its fire stations— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) October 30, 2012
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:33:07pm |
re: #441 Dark_Falcon
Even though you have less population than Los Angeles, Chicago is still more important on the World Stage than it. Chicago is still the second city of the US.
Alpha++ City New York took a truly vicious hit today, and will need time to lick its wounds.
Alpha+ City Chicago now comes to the plate.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:34:14pm |
re: #444 ProGunLiberal
And Chicago being 2nd City is a good thing. I prefer it to Los Angeles. By alot.
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Kragar Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:34:36pm |
re: #440 Reverend Mother Ramallo
Ummm...
A Red Dawn re-make.
Seriously?
Oh its much worse than that.
They swapped the Russians out for the Chinese, then realized a lot of the investors were Chinese, so they swapped out the Chinese and made them the North Koreans.
So the North Koreans invade and occupy the United States.
Sorry, but I'm not willing to suspend that much disbelief.
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Lidane Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:35:38pm |
OK. Flying out to Cali tomorrow for more job training and my flight leaves in 8 hours. Good night all! I need to finish packing and try to get a few hours of sleep before heading out.
Be safe, East Coast folks!
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Mich-again Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:36:11pm |
At the highly regarded climate denial website WUWT they are mocking Sandy.Frankenstorm downgraded to Frankenfart?wattsupwiththat.com/2012/10/29/tro...— J M Sute (@71LesPaul) October 30, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:37:32pm |
re: #445 ProGunLiberal
And Chicago being 2nd City is a good thing. I prefer it to Los Angeles. By alot.
As do I. Chicago is where I was born, and despite everything I love it. La is a good city but Chicago's position makes it the transportation hub for the country. Railroads, highways, air travel, even water travel; It all passes through Chi-town.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:40:07pm |
LA is larger and far more culturally relevant
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efuseakay Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:40:17pm |
Jimmy Fallon is somewhat amusing right now. And not at all because he's funny.............................
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makeitstop Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:42:12pm |
re: #447 Lidane
OK. Flying out to Cali tomorrow for more job training and my flight leaves in 8 hours. Good night all! I need to finish packing and try to get a few hours of sleep before heading out.
Be safe, East Coast folks!
Cool, sounds like you landed a cool gig. Knew you would. Enjoy your trip!
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JamesWI Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:42:14pm |
re: #446 Kragar
Oh its much worse than that.
They swapped the Russians out for the Chinese, then realized a lot of the investors were Chinese, so they swapped out the Chinese and made them the North Koreans.
So the North Koreans invade and occupy the United States.
Sorry, but I'm not willing to suspend that much disbelief.
Do the North Koreans even have any boats/planes capable of crossing the Pacific? /
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:43:36pm |
re: #447 Lidane
OK. Flying out to Cali tomorrow for more job training and my flight leaves in 8 hours. Good night all! I need to finish packing and try to get a few hours of sleep before heading out.
Be safe, East Coast folks!
Good fortune!
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R.M, Ramallo Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:44:10pm |
re: #446 Kragar
Oh its much worse than that.
They swapped the Russians out for the Chinese, then realized a lot of the investors were Chinese, so they swapped out the Chinese and made them the North Koreans.
So the North Koreans invade and occupy the United States.
Sorry, but I'm not willing to suspend that much disbelief.
Hollywood is basically giving people the finger.
I'm afraid to go to the movies anymore.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:45:00pm |
re: #450 SpaceJesus
LA is larger and far more culturally relevant
But Chicago is the city my connection is with. So it will always top in LA in my mind and my heart.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:49:50pm |
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:52:27pm |
re: #446 Kragar
Oh its much worse than that.
They swapped the Russians out for the Chinese, then realized a lot of the investors were Chinese, so they swapped out the Chinese and made them the North Koreans.
So the North Koreans invade and occupy the United States.
Sorry, but I'm not willing to suspend that much disbelief.
Are they still going to have military help from Cuba in the occupation? lol
| 461 |
SpaceJesus Mon, Oct 29, 2012 9:58:51pm |
Why don't they just go all out nuts and swap North Korea for Tibet
| 462 |
wheat-dogg Mon, Oct 29, 2012 10:05:14pm |
re: #459 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
Same old story for me. My timing is off.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Oct 29, 2012 10:09:15pm |
re: #450 SpaceJesus
LA is larger and far more culturally relevant
Sprawling, overheated, feverish, linked by endless miles of freeway...
I was born in East LA. I have never considered returning to SoCal.
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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course) Tue, Oct 30, 2012 6:00:57am |
Just outside of Ann Arbor, we had 40–50 mph winds all night. Living inside our 1870s farmhouse sounded much like living inside a bagpipe. Then we had sleet driven by the wind on our short commute onto campus. Hoping that power stays on. When it goes off, we also lose heat and water.
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7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course) Tue, Oct 30, 2012 6:03:21am |
re: #409 darthstar
My daughter lives in Greenwich Village. She said that there were NYU students out, streaking up and down the street in the early hours.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Oct 30, 2012 6:08:07am |
re: #465 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)
My daughter lives in Greenwich Village. She said that there were NYU students out, streaking up and down the street in the early hours.
Hi--this thread is rather inactive. There is more traffic on the newer "Overnight Jam" thread. People are checking in there with their experience.
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Sheila Broflovski Tue, Oct 30, 2012 6:31:27am |
re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist
We found out this afternoon that my grandmother died this morning. Not entirely unexpected, but it came on fast.
I don't think any of the back East relative are going to be able to make it out this week.
{{{SFZ}}}
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BeenHereAwhile Tue, Oct 30, 2012 8:50:57am |
re: #204 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
re: #127 Gretchen G.Tiger
I'm trying to think of all the ways Sci-Fi writers have chosen to describe the event that triggered the deconstruction of society.
So far,
Flu epidemic --John Ringo, the Last Centurian
Climate Change and failure of Oil as Economic system-John Scalzi, et al -Metatropolis
Overpopulation --various authors/booksI'm totally drawing a blank after that.
Religious hysteria - Nightfall, Isaac Asimov
post-disaster social collapse - The Road, Cormac McCarthy
Sudden reproductive unviability - The Children of Men, PD James
Comet impact - Lucifer's Hammer, Larry NivenReligious hysteria - Nightfall, Isaac Asimov
post-disaster social collapse - The Road, Cormac McCarthy
Sudden reproductive unviability - The Children of Men, PD James
Comet impact - Lucifer's Hammer, Larry Niven
"If This Goes On", Robert Heinlein
[...]The novel shows what might happen to Christianity in the United States given mass communications, applied psychology, and a hysterical populace[...]
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