As Mitt Romney Spreads Lies That Hurt Their Business, Chrysler and GM Call Him Out for Dishonesty

He’ll walk over anyone and anything to lie his way into the White House
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It’s really not surprising that spokespeople for both General Motors and Chrysler have now denounced Mitt Romney’s shockingly blatant lies about their companies. In his zeal to smear President Obama in any way possible, Romney is actually willing to spread false claims that could seriously damage the auto industry; he’s put them in a position where they have to call him out to preserve their own reputations: Romney Camp: Pay No Attention to the Auto Companies Calling Us Liars.

A Romney ad running in Ohio says Obama “took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy and sold Chrysler to Italians, who are going to build Jeeps in China.” …

Noting that Chrysler production plans for Jeep had entered the public debate, Marchionne said, “I feel obliged to unambiguously restate our position: Jeep production will not be moved from the United States to China.

“Jeep is one of our truly global brands with uniquely American roots. This will never change. So much so that we committed that the iconic Wrangler nameplate, currently produced in our Toledo, Ohio plant, will never see full production outside the United States,” he continued.

“Jeep assembly lines will remain in operation in the United States and will constitute the backbone of the brand,” Marchionne said. “It is inaccurate to suggest anything different.”

[…]

GM’s spokesman Greg Martin assailed the ads on Tuesday, telling the Detroit Free Press that their facts come from a ‘parallel universe.’

‘No amount of campaign politics at its cynical worst will diminish our record of creating jobs in the U.S. and repatriating profits back to this country,’ Martin said.

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566 comments
1 HappyBenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:18:26am

Another day, another pathetic lie by the Romney campaign. Props to Chrysler and GM calling him out because he deserves it big time.

2 makeitstopghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:20:18am

I'm waiting for the 11th hour over-reach that will send the Romney campaign into a death spiral they can't pull out of.

This one might be it. Or the subsequent doubling down, which you know is coming. They just can't help themselves.

3 Bulworth  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:21:18am
A Romney ad running in Ohio says Obama “took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy and sold Chrysler to Italians, who are going to build Jeeps in China.” …

Which was just what Mitt wanted to do so Obama shouldn't get credit for saving the auto industry as he just did what Mitt wanted but Obama bankrupted the auto industry so shut up that's why

4 blueraven  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:21:44am

Romney lies not working

5 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:24:36am
6 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:24:49am

Romney... repulsive.

7 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:26:24am
8 HappyBenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:26:30am

Yeah because voters want to be told how they should be voting by a pompous douchebag who has more business failures than successes on his record and is only famous because of the size of his ego.

9 Ben Jephazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:27:28am

What's really awful to me, is that he decided to pick on Jeep. Jeep is the last surviving marque of American Motors. It is the legacy of his father's business. This, in my opinion, is stabbing his Dad in the back. It's low.

I was never going to vote for him, so there's no way this anything more than a nail in the coffin, but it makes me mad. I'm a Jeep owner. My Wrangler is the most awesome vehicle I've ever owned or driven. I love Jeeps, so screw you, mittens. I also know that I'm one of the more liberal Wrangler owners out there. Jeep guys tend to skew pretty conservative and would normally be a natural part of his base. Same goes for a lot of Chevy guys. Way to connect with the base.

11 dragonfire1981  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:28:13am

American Apparel receives swift backlash over "Sandy Sale"

12 Bulworth  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:28:24am

Wasn't able to read the comments when I first logged in today, but clicked on the little "spy" icon, and now not only can I see the comments again, I can also once again provide much deserved updings.

I is learning stuff.

13 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:28:28am

Wow, new MU Law poll of Wisconsin: Obama winning 51-43. Two weeks ago, it was 49-48.

Mittmentum!

14 Sophist is theVillage Green Preservation Society  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:28:57am

Maybe he can fix this by publicly donating some Jeeps to the Red Cross.

15 dragonfire1981  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:29:17am

re: #8 HappyWarrior

Yeah because voters want to be told how they should be voting by a pompous douchebag who has more business failures than successes on his record and is only famous because of the size of his ego.

Are you talking about Romney or Trump?

16 HappyBenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:30:03am

re: #15 dragonfire1981

Are you talking about Romney or Trump?

Snap. Trump in specific there though.

17 RadicalModerate  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:30:28am
A Romney ad running in Ohio says Obama “took GM and Chrysler into bankruptcy and sold Chrysler to Italians, who are going to build Jeeps in China.” …

And exactly why did Chrysler and GM have to go through bankruptcy proceedings?

Oh yeah, that's right.

Because Senate Republicans blocked the bailout bill that would have prevented the major automakers from having to file bankruptcy.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

WASHINGTON — The Senate on Thursday night abandoned efforts to fashion a government rescue of the American automobile industry, as Senate Republicans refused to support a bill endorsed by the White House and Congressional Democrats.

The failure to reach agreement on Capitol Hill raised a specter of financial collapse for General Motors and Chrysler, which some experts say may not be able to survive until the end of the year.

Remember, this bill passed the House of Representatives, and was only blocked because it didn't reach a 60-vote supermajority.

Addendum:
It should be noted that this bailout bill was dated December 2008, and the President at the time was George W. Bush. So, President Obama had NOTHING AT ALL to do with the bailout, and was handed two failing automobile companies on Day One of his administration. His choices were pretty limited by the time he took the oath of office, and still was able to fashion a deal that saved the US auto industry.

18 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:31:13am

Think I just killed some brain cells.

19 dragonfire1981  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:31:58am

re: #18 Gus

Think I just killed some brain cells.

Have you been on Breitbart.com again?

20 Big Joe Ghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:31:59am

Is Romney deliberately trying to damage the reputation of these car companies? It's not going to help their sales when people dislike them for rumors that they are sending "jobs overseas". Business acumen, Romney has it not.

21 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:35:55am
Since 2001, the IPCC, which is this international panel that looks at all the scientific literature, has a higher level of confidence of the long-term temperature trend, and they have a higher level of confidence that there is a significant human contribution to that. So that has strengthened.

We also have much better data on observed impacts, such as ice melt on land masses that can lead to sea level rise. That is occurring faster than we thought in 2001. There's then still a lot of work underway about sort of long-term projected impacts, but that is also giving us a sense of what some of those could look like. So this is a step. We've taken a step forward from 2001. We have more information, and we're acting on that information.

-- Jim Connaughton, Chairman of the Council on Environmental Quality
GWB White House

More here.

22 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:36:18am

re: #19 dragonfire1981

Have you been on Breitbart.com again?

Nah. Just listened to Tucker Carlson. Same difference. ;)

23 jaunte  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:37:33am

Why does Romney hate Italians?

24 HappyBenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:38:21am

re: #23 jaunte

Why does Romney hate Italians?

Too much wine.

25 efuseakay  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:38:30am

Romney campaign in full S.O.S. mode. Sacks Of Sht.

26 efuseakay  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:40:32am

re: #20 Big Joe

Is Romney deliberately trying to damage the reputation of these car companies? It's not going to help their sales when people dislike them for rumors that they are sending "jobs overseas". Business acumen, Romney has it not.

Scorched earth policy. Maybe Romney knows he's going to lose, so he's going to take as much down with him as he possibly can. Fortunately, I don't believe he can even succeed at that.

27 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:41:48am

re: #5 Gus

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OMG, good luck with THAT! Does Romney really think Trump is popular? Wow. Out of touch doesn't begin to cover it. Seriously, he is way too inside of his own bubble (as demonstrated by the "Please proceed, Governor"). That he could actually become our president is fucking. terrifying. period.

28 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:41:55am

Dear God. We stand on the cliff for disaster. Next Tuesday we find out if our next president will be a man whose final event is being hosted by...

Kid Rock.

29 OhNoBenghazi!  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:42:28am

re: #23 jaunte

Because they don't share his Anglo-Saxon heritage?

30 Lidanghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:43:36am

re: #15 dragonfire1981

Are you talking about Romney or Trump?

31 blueraven  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:44:08am

re: #28 Gus

Dear God. We stand on the cliff for disaster. Next Tuesday we find out if our next president will be a man whose final event is being hosted by...

Kid Rock.

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I guess MeatLoaf was busy.

32 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:44:50am

re: #31 blueraven

I guess MeatLoaf was busy.

Kid Rock, Donald Trump, Meat Loaf, Ted Nugent...

We're doomed.

Obama must win.

33 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:45:32am

re: #5 Gus

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Shit. I thought the world had ended when I read "Romney enlists."

34 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:45:36am

See the pattern? Romney is the white Murican male candidate.

35 RadicalModerate  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:45:38am

re: #31 blueraven

I guess MeatLoaf was busy.

And afraid if that they invited Ted Nugent he would get another visit from the Secret Service.

36 Big Joe Ghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:48:42am

Red Cross on donations,

The American Red Cross does not accept or solicit small quantities of individual donations of items for emergency relief purposes. Items such as collections of food, used clothing, and shoes often must be cleaned, sorted, and repackaged which impedes the valuable resources of money, time, and personnel that are needed for other aspects of our relief operation.

37 dragonfire1981  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:49:03am

re: #28 Gus

Dear God. We stand on the cliff for disaster. Next Tuesday we find out if our next president will be a man whose final event is being hosted by...

Kid Rock.

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Can you imagine Mitt rocking out to "American Badass"?

38 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:49:33am
39 Bulworth  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:49:36am

re: #28 Gus

Can't wait to see the Romney's expression when he does the explicit version of Bawitdaba. /

40 Lidanghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:49:42am
41 efuseakay  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:50:44am

re: #36 Big Joe

Red Cross on donations,

The American Red Cross does not accept or solicit small quantities of individual donations of items for emergency relief purposes. Items such as collections of food, used clothing, and shoes often must be cleaned, sorted, and repackaged which impedes the valuable resources of money, time, and personnel that are needed for other aspects of our relief operation.

Hi Kilgore! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Tell us again how this was a smart thing to do.

42 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:51:00am

This is not a campaign that believes itself poised to win big next week and retake the White House after 4 years away. No, this is a campaign that knows its in deep shit and is running in every direction at once in the hopes that it can change a few last-minute decisions made by "undecideds."

43 Joanne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:53:01am

re: #20 Big Joe

Is Romney deliberately trying to damage the reputation of these car companies? It's not going to help their sales when people dislike them for rumors that they are sending "jobs overseas". Business acumen, Romney has it not.

Rumers, schmumers, he's running for office, for Pete sake! NOTHING stands in the way of Romney and is desire to have the word President precede his name.

44 Kung Fughazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:54:13am

re: #42 Targetpractice

This is not a campaign that believes itself poised to win big next week and retake the White House after 4 years away. No, this is a campaign that knows its in deep shit and is running in every direction at once in the hopes that it can change a few last-minute decisions made by "undecideds."

And thanks to the average American voter, the election is going to be way closer that it should be.

45 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:54:38am

the romney campaign makes me feel like a parent dealing with a persistently dishonest child

46 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:55:33am
47 garhighway  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:55:46am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Another day, another pathetic lie by the Romney campaign. Props to Chrysler and GM calling him out because he deserves it big time.

But Mitt is an honorable man.

48 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:55:55am

Because of Sandy Gallup tracking polls are frozen at 28 Oct, but Rasmussen is still trucking along. Guess it's easier when you don't actually have to talk to people.

49 Lidanghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:55:58am
50 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:56:15am

re: #20 Big Joe

Is Romney deliberately trying to damage the reputation of these car companies? It's not going to help their sales when people dislike them for rumors that they are sending "jobs overseas". Business acumen, Romney has it not.

if by some mischance he should win, what wonderful relationships he'll have with these company heads which the republican party would like to think are its natural allies

51 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:56:33am

re: #20 Big Joe

Is Romney deliberately trying to damage the reputation of these car companies? It's not going to help their sales when people dislike them for rumors that they are sending "jobs overseas". Business acumen, Romney has it not.

He is just getting desperate. He can read the polls like anyone else and see he is losing.

52 efuseakay  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:57:29am

re: #42 Targetpractice

This is not a campaign that believes itself poised to win big next week and retake the White House after 4 years away. No, this is a campaign that knows its in deep shit and is running in every direction at once in the hopes that it can change a few last-minute decisions made by "undecideds."

Speaking of undecideds...

53 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:58:32am
54 Kung Fughazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:59:01am

re: #50 engineer cat

if by some mischance he should win, what wonderful relationships he'll have with these company heads which the republican party would like to think are its natural allies

Eh, I could see a scenario where Romney tries to outlaw unions or something dumb like that. These CEOs are pissed at him now, but they're probably all hardcore conservaties at heart.

If a President Romney could make them richer by fucking over their workers as much possible, they'd be washing and ironing his magic underwear in no time.

55 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:59:17am

Jeep And Chevy Join Disney And AARP In Communist Conspiracy

will burn in hell for daring to question infallibility of limbaugh

56 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 11:59:46am

re: #55 engineer cat

Jeep And Chevy Join Disney And AARP In Communist Conspiracy

will burn in hell for daring to question infallibility of limbaugh

Don't forget the Red Cross.

//

57 Big Joe Ghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:00:20pm

...

58 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:02:10pm

re: #57 Big Joe

Fake Romney relief event is fake.

And to think, Willard could have stroked out a check to the Red Cross for $5,000 and saved them the headache of sorting through all the canned goods that he dumped on them instead.

59 allegro  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:02:35pm

re: #44 Mattand

And thanks to the average American voter, the election is going to be way closer that it would be.

The average voter (if there is one) works long hours, takes care of a family, and if given a few hours of R&R watches a good movie or football. In between all of that, the voter gets snippets of news programs to keep informed. It's the media, like CNN that is so invested in profits and advertising, that is failing to do its job of keeping those voters informed with real and honest news.

Idiots are always going to be idiots falling for every grifter and charlatan that comes down the block, i.e. today's GOP. If the media was honest in pointing those grifers and charlatans out, this election would be over without having to count a fraction of the votes for the blow-out.

60 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:03:53pm

Intrade back up to 66/33 Obama.

61 Big Joe Ghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:05:08pm

I see the last thread covered my previous post so I just baleeted it.

62 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:05:27pm

NYU loses years of scientific research and thousands of mice to Hurricane Sandy

The Daily News has just learned that years of scientific research -- and thousands of mice -- at New York University Hospital's Smilow building on E. 32nd St. have been lost.

Most of the power that drives the research laboratories in that building next to the FDR Drive, including emergency power, was lost at 8:30 p.m. Monday. Many precious reagents -- special enzymes, antibodies, DNA strands -- generated by scientists and stored at -80 degrees and -20 degrees were likely destroyed, a researcher tells the Daily News.

Scientists are in a desperate frenzy to save what they can and transfer what can be moved to other areas of the hospital. In one case, scientists were rolling a big freezer -- the size of a big refrigerator -- to an area of the hospital with emergency power, the source told the News.

Even more alarming, thousands of mice that are used by scientists for cancer research and other experiments, drowned during a flood. It is unclear how the mice died, but the source told the News that many of these mice are genetically modified for certain research and took years to produce. It will likely set back several scientists' work by years, the source said.

63 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:05:31pm

re: #37 dragonfire1981

Can you imagine Mitt rocking out to "American Badass"?

This is the one I wanna see Mitt and Ann dancing in the isles to.

Because you know you're so hott I wanna get you alone
You're so hott, I wanna get you stoned
You're so hott, I don’t wanna be your friend
I wanna fuck you like I'm never gonna see you again

-- Kid Rock - "So Hott"

64 Lidanghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:05:42pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

And to think, Willard could have stroked out a check to the Red Cross for $5,000 and saved them the headache of sorting through all the canned goods that he dumped on them instead.

Willard could write one of those big ass checks for $5,000 and Trump could donate his $5 million publicity stunt to relief efforts and they'd look better than they do now.

Of course that would take actual class and empathy.

65 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:05:48pm

re: #60 JamesWI

Intrade back up to 66/33 Obama.

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Meanwhile, Nate Silver's got Obama's chances up to 77% and just laid out that case for why the media narrative of a split election (win EC, lose PV) is very unlikely given current state polling.

66 Lidanghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:06:31pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

Meanwhile, Nate Silver's got Obama's chances up to 77% and just laid out that case for why the media narrative of a split election (win EC, lose PV) is very unlikely given current state polling.

Nate Silver is evil! Math is of teh debil!

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67 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:07:23pm

re: #66 Lidane

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Romney's gonna win by almost 400 points in the EC! He's gonna blow Obama out of the water with the popular vote! Anybody who says different is in the tank for Obama!!!

68 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:08:36pm

re: #63 Eventual Carrion

This is the one I wanna see Mitt and Ann dancing in the isles to.

Because you know you're so hott I wanna get you alone
You're so hott, I wanna get you stoned
You're so hott, I don’t wanna be your friend
I wanna fuck you like I'm never gonna see you again

-- Kid Rock - "So Hott"

I think Mitt would come out to "I AM THE BULL GOD!"

69 HappyBenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:08:55pm

I think Obama will win the popular vote by 1-2% and have around 300 EC votes. It will be closer than 2008 obviously but it won't be 2000 redux. Obama also seems to be making Florida gradually more competitive again as we get closer. I'm no statistician though.

70 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:11:28pm

re: #41 efuseakay

Hi Kilgore! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Tell us again how this was a smart thing to do.

Because there are food banks, especially in effected areas such as coastal New Jersey that always need donations and appreciate them very much
[Link: www.foodbankmoc.org...]

After packing your food donations, please bring them to the FoodBank. We will weigh your donation, and provide you with a receipt for your records. A letter of thanks will also be sent to you or your organization.
We appreciate your including delivery to the FoodBank in your own cars or vans as part of your donation, whenever possible. We are always in need of food and every food drive is very important to us in helping to feed the need in our communities.

71 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:13:01pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Because there are food banks, especially in effected areas such as coastal New Jersey that always need donations and appreciate them very much
[Link: www.foodbankmoc.org...]

So why buy the goods, then stage them at a door so people could grab them and hand them to Mitt and not simply arrange for the goods to go directly from Walmart to the Food Bank?

72 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:13:28pm

The Community FoodBank of New Jersey

73 kirghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:13:36pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

I think Obama will win the popular vote by 1-2% and have around 300 EC votes. It will be closer than 2008 obviously but it won't be 2000 redux. Obama also seems to be making Florida gradually more competitive again as we get closer. I'm no statistician though.

That's in line with what I have - I've got 303. If Florida goes his way it's 342 332. (edited to fix math.)

What's intriguing me is noise from a few odd places like Arizona. I won't place any wagers, mind you, but the rumblings could presage some real unhappiness for the GOP in both this and upcoming elections.

74 blueraven  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:14:10pm

New National Journal Poll: O-50 R-45

Overall, the survey found Obama leading Romney among likely voters by 50 percent to 45 percent, after the two tied at 47 percent each in a late-September Congressional Connection Poll. Conversely, the poll recorded a slight shift toward the GOP in House races. Now, 47 percent of likely voters say they would prefer that Republicans maintain their House majority, while 44 percent want Democrats to take over; Democrats held a 45 percent to 43 percent advantage in late September. Voters, by a solid 50 percent to 40 percent margin, now say they would prefer a Democratic Senate; that’s up from a 47 percent to 42 percent advantage for Democrats in September.

75 SpaceJesus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:16:06pm

Obungoid +5

[Link: www.nationaljournal.com...]

76 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:16:15pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Because there are food banks, especially in effected areas such as coastal New Jersey that always need donations and appreciate them very much
[Link: www.foodbankmoc.org...]

Affected, not effected.

/where's Hercules Grytpype-Thynne when you need him?

77 kirghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:16:18pm

I'd like to point out that if registered voter polls are more accurate than likely voter polls, the margin Obama holds is much larger.

This isn't an idle muse, as there's an ongoing argument that says historically that's been the truth. This year there's enough divergence it'll show which is true, or if it's (more likely) somewhere between them.

78 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:16:19pm

re: #47 garhighway

But Mitt is an honorable man.

And so are they all honorable men.

79 HappyBenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:16:21pm

re: #73 kirkspencer

That's in line with what I have - I've got 303. If Florida goes his way it's 342.

What's intriguing me is noise from a few odd places like Arizona. I won't place any wagers, mind you, but the rumblings could presage some real unhappiness for the GOP in both this and upcoming elections.

I think Arizona will ultimately go to Romney but I do think Obama will perform well there and perhaps set the wheels in motion to make Arizona a swing state. Swing states come and go. My own state of Virginia was a strong Republican state on the presidential level for many years but changing demographics changed that. The same will happen with Arizona next election IMO and it wouldn't shock me if Texas became more competitive eventually too.

80 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:16:27pm

Todd Akin Sought to Narrow the Definition of Child Abuse

Back in May of 1991, the Missouri House debated a bill to “outlaw rape and sexual abuse in marriage.” “Rape is rape,” said Rep. Jo Ann Karll shortly before the bill was overwhelmingly passed. “Missouri is finally moving into the 20th century,” said Colleen Coble, executive director of the Missouri Coalition Against Domestic Violence.

But not everyone was celebrating. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported on 5/1/91 that Akin voted for the bill but “questioned whether a marital rape law might be misused ‘in a real messy divorce as a tool and a legal weapon to beat up on the husband.’”

Just about any law can be abused, and lawmakers must always be cognizant of this. But Akin seems to be preoccupied with the potential for abuse of the law whenever it relates to the government preventing abuse in the household.

Akin and his supporters believe that the husband is head of the household, and they’re loathe to regulate what he can and cannot do to his wife and children. In fact, prominent Akin supporter Phyllis Schlafly denies the very possibility of marital rape: “By getting married, the woman has consented to sex, and I don't think you can call it rape.”

And so in March of 1992, Akin fought for a narrower definition of child abuse. The Missouri House was considering a bill to create a “statewide child abuse review board” and tighten the standard for proving child abuse from “reason to suspect” to “credible evidence.”

The bill’s sponsor said the definition change was necessary to ensure that “all cases of child abuse can be covered.” Akin, however, was suspicious. He argued that the bill “needed a more restrictive definition of abuse” because of the potential for abuse of the child abuse law. The Post-Dispatch reported on 3/5/92:

Akin said he was concerned that ‘the department could come into your home and if your kid had just fallen off his bike and skinned his knee…take your kid away.’ Akin also said that with a loose definition of abuse, neighbors might use child-abuse reports ‘as a tool to harass, a way to get even with’ someone they dislike.

This is how Akin’s mind works. You need to worry about vengeful soon-to-be ex-wives claiming rape to get back at their husbands. You need to make sure that non-forcibly raped women aren’t getting government-funded medical care. And you can’t let neighbors harass one another by falsely claiming child abuse to the overbearing nanny state enforcers who will take kids away for having a scraped knee.

81 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:16:29pm

re: #71 Kragar

So why buy the goods, then stage them at a door so people could grab them and hand them to Mitt and not simply arrange for the goods to go directly from Walmart to the Food Bank?

I suspect it might have been a security issue. The Secret Service would have to search all those bags if people brought them themselves. It's not a secret these events are staged photo ops and mostly symbolic, all politicians do them, including Obama.

82 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:16:41pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

I think Obama will win the popular vote by 1-2% and have around 300 EC votes. It will be closer than 2008 obviously but it won't be 2000 redux. Obama also seems to be making Florida gradually more competitive again as we get closer. I'm no statistician though.

I think you're pretty much spot on, it will be a closer race than '08, such that the GOP will be quick to declare that Obama has no "mandate." But if he wins and the Dems make gains, then it really changes the dynamics of the next 4 years.

83 Lidanghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:17:24pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Except that in the middle of a disaster, cash works better. Donating money to those same food banks, or, better yet, warm bodies to help them sort through donations that have been sent, makes more sense.

This isn't rocket science. It's basic Disaster 101 stuff, which Romney HQ fails at because they're more interested in the photo op than in the people whose lives have been affected by the storm.

84 blueraven  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:17:30pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

The Community FoodBank of New Jersey

It is fine to give to food banks KT, in fact it is great. But that is not what the hurricane victims need at this moment in time. The Red-cross is best equipped to know what is needed for a natural disaster.

That said, I am sure all that food will be appreciated somewhere.

85 Lidanghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:18:09pm

re: #80 Kragar

Todd Akin Sought to Narrow the Definition of Child Abuse

Of course he did.

86 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:18:32pm

re: #78 Romantic Heretic

And so are they all honorable men.

Let me have men about me that are fat,
Sleek-headed men and such as sleep a-nights.
Christie 2016

87 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:18:43pm

Christie better get ready for the death threats from "Christian" conservatives:

88 kirghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:18:50pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

I think Arizona will ultimately go to Romney but I do think Obama will perform well there and perhaps set the wheels in motion to make Arizona a swing state. Swing states come and go. My own state of Virginia was a strong Republican state on the presidential level for many years but changing demographics changed that. The same will happen with Arizona next election IMO and it wouldn't shock me if Texas became more competitive eventually too.

Watch Texas in 2014. I'm expecting Castro (San Antonio's mayor) to run for governor. If that happens it will energize the lagging hispanic voter pool. That in turn would be a major paradigm change. (2016, a Blue Texas. How much money you gonna spend trying to persuade voters there?)

89 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:18:52pm

re: #79 HappyWarrior

I think Arizona will ultimately go to Romney but I do think Obama will perform well there and perhaps set the wheels in motion to make Arizona a swing state. Swing states come and go. My own state of Virginia was a strong Republican state on the presidential level for many years but changing demographics changed that. The same will happen with Arizona next election IMO and it wouldn't shock me if Texas became more competitive eventually too.

Swing states may come and go, but that's three states we're talking about going from red to purple, are there any democrat leaning states becoming more republican friendly in the electoral college?

90 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:19:05pm
91 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:19:20pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

I suspect it might have been a security issue. The Secret Service would have to search all those bags if people brought them themselves. It's not a secret these events are staged photo ops and mostly symbolic, all politicians do them, including Obama.

Youtube Video
92 kirghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:19:47pm

re: #89 jamesfirecat

Swing states may come and go, but that's three states we're talking about going from red to purple, are there any democrat leaning states becoming more republican friendly in the electoral college?

New Hampshire keeps flirting with it.

93 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:19:49pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

We are always in need of food unless it comes via Mitt !!!
I amended that sentence from foodbankmon.org so some here will be happy with it!!
//

94 Kung Fughazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:21:12pm

re: #59 allegro

The average voter (if there is one) works long hours, takes care of a family, and if given a few hours of R&R watches a good movie or football. In between all of that, the voter gets snippets of news programs to keep informed. It's the media, like CNN that is so invested in profits and advertising, that is failing to do its job of keeping those voters informed with real and honest news.

Idiots are always going to be idiots falling for every grifter and charlatan that comes down the block, i.e. today's GOP. If the media was honest in pointing those grifers and charlatans out, this election would be over without having to count a fraction of the votes for the blow-out.

I know full well how hard it is out there. The problem is that I know people who, when asked, without hesitation say they will vote for the guy who saved millions of jobs, cut taxes twice, took out some major terrorists, and even expanded gun rights.

When you tell them that person is Obama, they look at you like you are nuts and say they're voting for Romney because we need a change.

You know, the guy whose party fucked up the economy, and then threw every roadblock possible at Obama, because they'd rather destroy our financial system than allow Obama the tiniest credit for saving it.

Blaming the media is indeed part of the problem. That doesn't excuse the pathetic short term memory of the oh-so-important "independent" voter. To vote in the party that caused this mess is fucking stupid, but unfortunately, desperate people do stupid things at times.

95 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:21:30pm

re: #83 Lidane

Except that in the middle of a disaster, cash works better. Donating money to those same food banks, or, better yet, warm bodies to help them sort through donations that have been sent, makes more sense.

This isn't rocket science. It's basic Disaster 101 stuff, which Romney HQ fails at because they're more interested in the photo op than in the people whose lives have been affected by the storm.

Indeed, it's now actually going to cost the Red Cross money that would be going to fulfilling other basic needs of survivors to sort through all the food that the Romney campaign dumped on their doorstep, to distribute it to those in need, and to preserve what it can't use immediately.

Willard could have taken the money wasted on that food and had a big cardboard check made instead.

96 HappyBenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:22:01pm

re: #89 jamesfirecat

Swing states may come and go, but that's three states we're talking about going from red to purple, are there any democrat leaning states becoming more republican friendly in the electoral college?

Honestly, I don't know of any off hand. Had you asked me this four to eight years ago, I'd say West Virginia. I think it's the only state that went for Dukakis that did not go for Obama.

97 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:22:16pm

Romney’s ‘Plan’ To Help The Auto Industry: Massive Corporate Tax Breaks

Writing on Romney’s campaign web site, ex-Chrysler chairman and Romney endorser Lee Iacocca has now laid out Romney’s plan to help the auto industry: it’s a massive corporate tax break that will make it easier for businesses to offshore their profits.

When Mitt Romney is president, he will reduce our nation’s corporate tax rate to 25 percent from 35 percent – currently the highest combined tax rate in the industrial world – so that American car companies can compete on a level playing field at home and abroad. He will also stop the extra tax automakers are forced to pay when they want to bring home their profits to reinvest in the United States. President Obama could have done this the day he took office since his party controlled both houses of Congress, but he chose not to. [my emphasis]

98 jamesfirecat  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:23:31pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Honestly, I don't know of any off hand. Had you asked me this four to eight years ago, I'd say West Virginia. I think it's the only state that went for Dukakis that did not go for Obama.

Excellent, everything is proceeding according to plan, SOON PEPPERLAND, I MEAN AMERICA GOES BLUE!

99 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:23:53pm

re: #95 Targetpractice

re: #83 Lidane

Just an FYI

I saw this (and stated it here) yesterday. The Romney people sent out a post via FaceBook (and I'm sure via other social network sites) with a link directly to the Red Cross cash (credit card) donation page

100 HappyBenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:25:24pm

re: #98 jamesfirecat

Excellent, everything is proceeding according to plan, SOON PEPPERLAND, I MEAN AMERICA GOES BLUE!

Yeah. Now an example of a purple state that I think is becoming more red on a presidential level would be Missouri. I don't think I have seen one poll that has Obama winning there.

101 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:28:18pm

re: #97 Kragar

Romney’s ‘Plan’ To Help The Auto Industry: Massive Corporate Tax Breaks

The corporate tax rate is from zero TO 35 percent. Got news for Romney. Obama wants to lower the corporate tax rate up to 25 percent as well.

102 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:28:28pm

re: #99 sattv4u2

re: #83 Lidane

Just an FYI

I saw this (and stated it here) yesterday. The Romney people sent out a post via FaceBook (and I'm sure via other social network sites) with a link directly to the Red Cross cash (credit card) donation page

btw ,, here's the link

[Link: www.redcross.org...]

103 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:28:50pm

re: #99 sattv4u2

re: #83 Lidane

Just an FYI

I saw this (and stated it here) yesterday. The Romney people sent out a post via FaceBook (and I'm sure via other social network sites) with a link directly to the Red Cross cash (credit card) donation page

That's nice. Let's take a second to consider how much money the campaign might have been able to donate if they hadn't staged this little photo-op instead.

104 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:29:37pm

so that American car companies can compete on a level playing field at home and abroad

but they still have the disadvantage of having to subsidize health insurance since it is not taken care of by the government like most other industrialized nations in the world

but i have mentioned something we are not allowed to know

105 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:29:40pm

re: #103 Targetpractice

That's nice. Let's take a second to consider how much money the campaign might have been able to donate if they hadn't staged this little photo-op instead.

very little in comparison to how many direct donations most likely came from the direct link to the Red Cross

106 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:31:26pm

re: #105 sattv4u2

very little in comparison to how many direct donations most likely came from the direct link to the Red Cross

So then why hold a staged "relief effort" when they could have simply canceled the event and instead directed all those who wished to attend to donate?

107 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:32:09pm

re: #106 Targetpractice

So then why hold a staged "relief effort" when they could have simply canceled the event and instead directed all those who wished to attend to donate?

Why not? Brings even more attention to the relief efforts!

108 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:32:38pm

re: #106 Targetpractice

re: #107 sattv4u2

Why not? Brings even more attention to the relief efforts!

iirc,, Romney IS in the news quiet often lately!!
{sigh}

109 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:33:35pm

re: #107 sattv4u2

Why not? Brings even more attention to the relief efforts!

Because without a staged event featuring Mitt Romney, how would anyone even know there was a relief effort?
/

110 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:34:27pm

re: #107 sattv4u2

Why not? Brings even more attention to the relief efforts!

He could have ran a fundraiser at the time, then handed off a check to the Red Cross at the end. Instead, he sends his underlings to go out and grab up a bunch of food that he then hands out to attendees so they can mug in front of the cameras.

111 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:34:30pm
112 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:34:57pm

Some of the sites Obama and Christie saw in their helicopter tour.

Seaside Heights' amusement boardwalk is just wrecked. I remember going there in my family's vacation to New York/New Jersey when I was a little kid.

113 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:35:04pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

He could have ran a fundraiser at the time, then handed off a check to the Red Cross at the end. Instead, he sends his underlings to go out and grab up a bunch of food that he then hands out to attendees so they can mug in front of the cameras.

So this is the 1st time you've seen politicians in action, huh!

114 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:35:04pm

re: #109 Kragar

Because without a staged event featuring Mitt Romney, how would anyone even know there was a relief effort?
/

Yep. I never heard of food banks before this. Thanks Mitt!

//

115 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:35:41pm

re: #107 sattv4u2

Why not? Brings even more attention to the relief efforts!

Why not raise cash by auctioning signed Romney bumper stickers or something?

The point is that his staff, the smart people he surrounded himself with, came up with something that looks quite phony on the face of it. Neither Romney nor his staff, nor Portman for that matter, put as much thought into this thing as it's getting here in this thread.

116 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:36:51pm

re: #114 Gus

Yep. I never heard of food banks before this. Thanks Mitt!

//

You (and everyone) may have heard of them, but go to one and talk to someone there about the huge uptick in donations they get when either
A) holiday season
B) natural disaster
C) a national figure mentions that people should donate

117 efuseakay  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:37:26pm

re: #107 sattv4u2

Why not? Brings even more attention to Romney using the relief efforts To score shameful political points.

Couldn't agree with you more.

118 jaunte  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:37:37pm

re: #53 Gus

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That's Heron Road in Tuckerton New Jersey. Look at it on Google maps for a pre-storm view.

119 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:37:55pm

re: #117 efuseakay

Couldn't agree with you more.

Again, So this is the 1st time you've seen politicians in action, huh!

120 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:38:20pm

wow

121 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:38:24pm

re: #113 sattv4u2

So this is the 1st time you've seen politicians in action, huh!

No, I've seen politicians in action before. I've just never seen such a crass and opportunistic display.

122 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:38:27pm

Image: christie-obama-sandy.jpg

123 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:38:46pm

re: #62 Kragar

NYU loses years of scientific research and thousands of mice to Hurricane Sandy

Sad. Things insurance can't cover. Like family photos and the like that just can't be replaced with a check from the insurance company.

124 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:39:02pm

re: #121 Targetpractice

No, I've seen politicians in action before. I've just never seen such a crass and opportunistic display.

I believe the term is shameful display.

125 Big Joe Ghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:39:24pm

Good news from Florida.

Florida news station WPTV says it obtained a memo from a local GOP adviser in West Palm Beach concerned that early vote turnout "is starting to look more troubling" and that Democrats are "cleaning our clock."

126 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:39:26pm

Those wingnuts crying about "Obama's flag" strangely silent here....

127 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:39:43pm

re: #124 Kragar

I believe the term is shameful display.

No, I stand by "opportunistic." The man is so desperate to win over voters that he put on an utter spectacle in the hopes of fooling them.

128 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:40:24pm

re: #118 jaunte

That's Heron Road in Tuckerton New Jersey. Look at it on Google maps for a pre-storm view.

Ayep. Here's that blue roofed home.

129 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:40:59pm

re: #120 sattv4u2

wow

Yeah. Wow. Mitt Romney jokes about rising sea levels. Funny shit right there.

130 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:41:26pm

re: #76 wrenchwench

Affected, not effected.

/where's Hercules Grytpype-Thynne when you need him?

Biding my time.

131 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:41:34pm

re: #120 sattv4u2

wow

?

You really think Romney did the best and smartest thing he could by staging an event where people brought him stuff that his staff bought at Wal Mart?

132 Big Joe Ghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:42:18pm

re: #125 Big Joe

Good news from Florida.

Florida news station WPTV says it obtained a memo from a local GOP adviser in West Palm Beach concerned that early vote turnout "is starting to look more troubling" and that Democrats are "cleaning our clock."

Forgot the link

133 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:42:23pm

re: #129 Gus

Yeah. Wow. Mitt Romney jokes about rising sea levels. Funny shit right there.

Obama promised to lower the rising oceans

How'd that work out for ya

Youtube Video
134 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:42:37pm

re: #125 Big Joe

Good news from Florida.

Florida news station WPTV says it obtained a memo from a local GOP adviser in West Palm Beach concerned that early vote turnout "is starting to look more troubling" and that Democrats are "cleaning our clock."

If their clock is as dirty as the rest of the party, that's one big job.

135 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:42:43pm

re: #131 wrenchwench

?

You really think Romney did the best and smartest thing he could by staging an event where people brought him stuff that his staff bought at Wal Mart?

I said that ,,, where?!?!?!

136 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:44:00pm

Just got an order from a new customer. He can't get what he needs from his regular source in NYC. So we got him covered. And I'll be sending some Sandy cash to the RC.

But I have another suggestion-We all have some buying power at home. Some of us have purchase order decision authority at work. So, in the coming months lets try to throw some business their way. Favor the firms in the hard hit areas. Especially the smaller or independent companies. They don't have a multinational corporate structure to lean on.

They can use the help, and we need to do our business anyway, so why not?

137 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:44:02pm

re: #135 sattv4u2

I said that ,,, where?!?!?!

OK, so it's not a direct quote. But you are defending a stupid thing, and I'm calling you out on it.

138 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:44:02pm

re: #116 sattv4u2

You (and everyone) may have heard of them, but go to one and talk to someone there about the huge uptick in donations they get when either
A) holiday season
B) natural disaster
C) a national figure mentions that people should donate

I've been donating the extra produce from my greenhouse to the Plant a row program. It's been a lot of fun.

139 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:44:09pm

re: #133 sattv4u2

Obama promised to lower the rising oceans

How'd that work out for ya

[Embedded content]

Derp.

140 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:44:33pm

So Mitt was giving stuff away to people to donate to other people and it was paid for with campaign money donated by the rich. Talk about redistribution.

141 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:45:06pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

I've been donating the extra produce from my greenhouse to the Plant a row program. It's been a lot of fun.

Good times. What sorta stuff you donating?

142 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:45:40pm

re: #133 sattv4u2

Obama promised to lower the rising oceans

How'd that work out for ya

[Embedded content]

Tucker Carlson couldn't sell that line either...mostly because everyone who isn't deaf, aphasic, or desperate wanking the Magical Balance Fairy notices that wasn't a promise.

Derp.

143 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:45:59pm

re: #137 wrenchwench

OK, so it's not a direct quote. But you are defending a stupid thing, and I'm calling you out on it.

I see

So it matters not what I did say, only what you needed me to say!

So ,, where did I "defend" what he did?

(and saying that ANY national figure calling attention to donate to "A" food bank at ANY time is a far cry from "defending" ONE action)

{sigh}

144 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:46:07pm

re: #124 Kragar

I believe the term is shameful display.

Romney has no shame. I'm going with crass and opportunistic.

145 SpaceJesus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:46:12pm

re: #125 Big Joe

Obama has very good ground game and GOTV in the swing states.

146 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:46:19pm

Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on earth.
-- Barack Obama, June 2008

147 makeitstopghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:46:33pm

re: #81 Killgore Trout

I suspect it might have been a security issue. The Secret Service would have to search all those bags if people brought them themselves. It's not a secret these events are staged photo ops and mostly symbolic, all politicians do them, including Obama.

I didn't know the human arm was capable of reaching that far. Kudos.

148 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:46:55pm

re: #142 The Ghost of a Flea

Tucker Carlson couldn't sell that line either...mostly because everyone who isn't deaf, aphasic, or desperate wanking the Magical Balance Fairy notices that wasn't a promise.

Derp.

Well,, as long as it wasn't a promise

So we voted for hyperbole and rhetoric ,

Good times!!

149 jaunte  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:47:36pm

re: #146 Gus

Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it...

That is a lot to ask.

150 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:47:40pm

re: #146 Gus

There are higher truths than what the man actually said.

151 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:48:22pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

Good times. What sorta stuff you donating?

Mostly peppers and tomatoes. The greenhouse produces far more than I can eat. I also have some climbing squash, ginger, chillis, kohlrabi, onions, shallots, etc. all kinds of stuff.

152 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:48:29pm

re: #133 sattv4u2

Obama promised to lower the rising oceans

How'd that work out for ya

[Embedded content]

BTW. He didn't say he would STOP the rise of the oceans. He said "...the rise of the oceans began to slow..."

How's that working out for me? Well, the fact that sea levels are rising is indisputable. Even some folks at the WSJ are taking notice.

Rising Sea Levels Putting New York City at Risk

Youtube Video
153 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:48:42pm

re: #143 sattv4u2

I see

So it matters not what I did say, only what you needed me to say!

So ,, where did I "defend" what he did?

(and saying that ANY national figure calling attention to donate to "A" food bank at ANY time is a far cry from "defending" ONE action)

{sigh}

OK, so you aren't defending Romney's event. What was #107 about?

154 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:48:50pm

re: #138 Killgore Trout

I've been donating the extra produce from my greenhouse to the Plant a row program. It's been a lot of fun.

I wish I had a green thumb to do something like that

I do donate food and cash, but something I grew myself, I know I'd feel more pride

155 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:48:50pm

re: #144 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Romney has no shame. I'm going with crass and opportunistic.

I'm going with unctuous, simply because I haven't used that word in a while.

156 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:49:05pm

re: #148 sattv4u2

Well,, as long as it wasn't a promise

So we voted for hyperbole and rhetoric ,

Good times!!

As opposed to whom? McCain and uh, Sawah Pawin?

157 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:49:18pm

OBAMA DOES THE SAME THING!
-KT

158 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:49:51pm

re: #157 Varek Raith

OBAMA DOES THE SAME THING!
-KT

NO U!

159 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:50:05pm

re: #133 sattv4u2

Obama promised to lower the rising oceans

How'd that work out for ya

[Embedded content]

Learn to listen. He says "when the rise of the oceans began to slow", which is a reasonable goal. It's too bad he wasn't able to predict the unprecedented obstructionism he encountered from the GW deniers in Congress.

160 RadicalModerate  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:50:07pm

I just came across this ad narrated by Mike Huckabee for some "Values Voters" group.

Paraprhased:

IF YOU VOTE FOR OBAMA YOU'RE GOING TO HELL!

Youtube Video
161 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:50:09pm

Obama also says silly bullshit about Jeeps and China.

162 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:51:27pm

re: #133 sattv4u2

Did you even listen to the clip? He said nothing about stopping the rise of the Ocean. He clearly stated that generations would look back to this being the time that the rise would slow (not stop or lower) and the planet would begin to heal.

163 Canucknghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:51:30pm

re: #133 sattv4u2

Obama promised to lower the rising oceans

How'd that work out for ya

[Embedded content]

That isn't even close to what he said in that video.

164 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:51:34pm

re: #151 Killgore Trout

Mostly peppers and tomatoes. The greenhouse produces far more than I can eat. I also have some climbing squash, ginger, chillis, kohlrabi, onions, shallots, etc. all kinds of stuff.

Times I wish I was your neighbor, just so I could buy up some of that good stuff. We don't have the room necessary for a good-sized greenhouse and the weather here never wants to cooperate.

165 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:51:35pm

re: #156 Gus

As opposed to whom? McCain and uh, Sawah Pawin?

A MBF from the left !!

I've heard such creatures were around!

166 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:52:01pm

re: #148 sattv4u2

Well,, as long as it wasn't a promise

So we voted for hyperbole and rhetoric ,

Good times!!

So phrases like "generations from now" don't suggest a time frame, and "the rise of the oceans began to slow" equals "I will stop the ocean rise."

But the important thing is you've found something to feel superior about.

167 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:52:10pm

re: #162 Only The Lurker Knows

Did you even listen to the clip? He said nothing about stopping the rise of the Ocean. He clearly stated that generations would look back to this being the time that the rise would slow (not stop or lower) and the planet would begin to heal.

And have they?

168 Sophist is theVillage Green Preservation Society  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:52:37pm

re: #133 sattv4u2

Fuck you. Romney thinks "rising oceans" is a punch line.

169 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:52:44pm

re: #165 sattv4u2

A MBF from the left !!

I've heard such creatures were around!

Uh, I was responding to your statement "So we voted for hyperbole and rhetoric." Who else was going to get elected besides Obama?

170 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:52:57pm

re: #166 The Ghost of a Flea

But the important thing is you've found something to feel superior about.

umm,, no

I could give a rats ass less about "feeling superior"

But nice try!

171 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:53:09pm

re: #167 sattv4u2

And have they?

Does a vast majority of your party think AGW is a hoax?
Do you think it's a hoax?

172 Canucknghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:53:21pm

re: #148 sattv4u2

Well,, as long as it wasn't a promise

So we voted for hyperbole and rhetoric ,

Good times!!

Maybe get the meaning of what was said right before you go all indignant.

173 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:53:57pm

re: #167 sattv4u2

And have they?

Yes. Because Obama is just that awesome that he can personally slow the rise of the oceans through sheer force of awesomeness, without any of that mundane assistance from Congress that would contribute to that goal.

///

174 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:53:58pm

re: #171 Varek Raith

Does a vast majority of your party think AGW is a hoax?
Do you think it's a hoax?

umm,,, errr,, I don't have a "party"

I am GOING to a party tonight, does that count??

175 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:54:16pm

Donald Trump Is Robo-Calling For Romney

The billionaire also scoffed at the devastating storm that submerged New York and New Jersey, saying, “Hurricane is good luck for Obama again – he will buy the election by handing out billions of dollars. Not only giving out money, but Obama will be seen today standing in water and rain like he is a real president —don’t fall for it.”

176 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:54:23pm

re: #174 sattv4u2

umm,,, errr,, I don't have a "party"

I am GOING to a party tonight, does that count??

Nice dodge.
Do you think AGW is a hoax?

177 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:54:29pm

re: #170 sattv4u2

#107? #153?

Oh look. Now the thread is all about you!

178 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:54:41pm

re: #168 Sophist, Gingham Style

Fuck you.

Will you at least buy me dinner and drinks 1st?

179 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:55:08pm

re: #177 wrenchwench

#107? #153?

Oh look. Now the thread is all about you!

You could have, oh,, I dunno,,, ignored me!!

180 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:55:37pm

re: #167 sattv4u2

And have they?

No, because of brain-dead, blithering REPUBLICAN IDIOTS like this:

TODAY IN STUPID: Virginia Lawmaker Calls ‘Sea Level Rise’ A ‘Left Wing Term’

Today In Stupid: North Carolina Considers A Law Against Predicting Sea Level Rise

181 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:55:52pm

re: #179 sattv4u2

You could have, oh,, I dunno,,, ignored me!!

Its been working for me so far... GOD DAMN IT!!!

182 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:55:55pm

re: #109 Kragar

Because without a staged event featuring Mitt Romney, how would anyone even know there was a relief effort?
/

For that supposed, possibly fictional, hurricane/Nor'easter.

183 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:56:28pm

re: #170 sattv4u2

But the important thing is you've found something to feel superior about.

umm,, no

I could give a rats ass less about "feeling superior"

But nice try!

Come on Sat, give it up. This comment was stupid.

184 jaunte  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:56:35pm
185 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:56:36pm

re: #164 Targetpractice

Times I wish I was your neighbor, just so I could buy up some of that good stuff. We don't have the room necessary for a good-sized greenhouse and the weather here never wants to cooperate.

I will give stuff to neighbors but only if they specifically ask for it. That way I'm sure they'll actually use it. There's a barter system in my neighborhood. I trade produce with one neighbor for duck eggs. There's also a classically trained french chef across the street that I trade with for sausages.

186 allegro  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:56:40pm

re: #173 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Yes. Because Obama is just that awesome that he can personally slow the rise of the oceans through sheer force of awesomeness, without any of that mundane assistance from Congress that would contribute to that goal.

///

It seems he can generate hurricanes so what's a little Arctic ice refreezing?

///

187 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:56:48pm

re: #176 Varek Raith

Nice dodge.
Do you think AGW is a hoax?

Nope. ((see,, ask me a direct question, i'll give you a direct answer, instead of THINKING that you know my position on something because you THINK I "belong to a party")

188 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:56:52pm

re: #167 sattv4u2

And have they?

Nope. But then again, it took Generations for this to happen and it will take Generations to reverse it.

189 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:57:35pm

re: #179 sattv4u2

You could have, oh,, I dunno,,, ignored me!!

You aren't always an ass, but sometimes you are.

190 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:58:08pm

re: #185 Killgore Trout

I will give stuff to neighbors but only if they specifically ask for it. That way I'm sure they'll actually use it. There's a barter system in my neighborhood. I trade produce with one neighbor for duck eggs. There's also a classically trained french chef across the street that I trade with for sausages.

So you're all set for the zombie apocalypse then?

191 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:58:21pm

re: #189 wrenchwench

You aren't always an ass, but sometimes you are.

Just call me Avis

I try harder!!

192 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:58:45pm

re: #187 sattv4u2

Nope. ((see,, ask me a direct question, i'll give you a direct answer, instead of THINKING that you know my position on something because you THINK I "belong to a party")

It's a safe bet you're a Republican.
Just like I'm a Dem.
It's okay.
:P

193 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:59:01pm

re: #189 wrenchwench

You aren't always an ass, but sometimes you are.

I seem to remember that satt claims to be an asshole and proud of it. Or was that someone else?

194 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:59:34pm

re: #193 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

I seem to remember that satt claims to be an asshole and proud of it. Or was that someone else.

b_sharp and/or CCA.
I'm one too, jerk.
;)

195 Canucknghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:59:36pm

re: #159 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Learn to listen. He says "when the rise of the oceans began to slow", which is a reasonable goal. It's too bad he wasn't able to predict the unprecedented obstructionism he encountered from the GW deniers in Congress.

What that statement means is that his administration will start the process towards mitigating global warming.

Had the right not wasted so much of his time, and the money behind denialism not been so successful, we would likely be seeing initiatives to reduce carbon output already.

196 Sophist is theVillage Green Preservation Society  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 12:59:47pm

re: #178 sattv4u2

Will you at least buy me dinner and drinks 1st?

Seriously, go fuck yourself. One party thinks AGW is a problem, and the other thinks it's a joke.

197 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:00:15pm

re: #195 b_sharp

What that statement means is that his administration will start the process towards mitigating global warming.

Had the right not wasted so much of his time, and the money behind denialism not been so successful, we would likely be seeing initiatives to reduce carbon output already.

Remember cap and trade? I love nostalgia.

198 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:00:19pm

re: #187 sattv4u2

Nope. ((see,, ask me a direct question, i'll give you a direct answer, instead of THINKING that you know my position on something because you THINK I "belong to a party")

Like I did in #153?

199 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:00:29pm

re: #192 Varek Raith

It's a safe bet you're a Republican.
Just like I'm a Dem.
It's okay.
:P

I have conservative views
I have liberal views
I even have {gasp} libertarian views

I've never voted straight ticket in all my years

200 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:00:50pm

*sigh*
Really looking forward to the election being over.

201 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:01:04pm

re: #196 Sophist, Gingham Style

Seriously, go fuck yourself. One party thinks AGW is a problem, and the other thinks it's a joke.

Flowers,,,, a nice card,.,,, c'mon,, something if you want me to give it up on the 1st date!!

202 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:01:34pm

Oh, Dim Jim, you magnificent moronic bastard.

Sean Hannity on Benghazi Audio Tapes: “I’ve Heard They Are Damning”

The heroes on the ground called for help – Obama did nothing.
It Was Dereliction of Duty

Sean Hannity was debating liberal Juan Williams Tuesday on the Benghazi massacre. Hannity revealed this on the audio tapes of Tyrone Woods begging for air support on 9-11, “My sources tell me they’re pretty damning, Juan. They’re begging for help.”

My sources have tapes of Jim and Sean fondling livestock. They tell me they're pretty damning.

203 erik_t  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:01:46pm

HOW DARE YOU NOT SUCCEED IN USING YOUR SUPERIOR COMMUNIST SHARIA HAARP-POWERS TO STOP A PROBLEM WE DON'T BELIEVE EXISTS AND REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE IN ANY BODY OF CONGRESS!!!!1

I need a drink.

204 sagehen  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:01:57pm

re: #69 HappyWarrior

I think Obama will win the popular vote by 1-2% and have around 300 EC votes. It will be closer than 2008 obviously but it won't be 2000 redux. Obama also seems to be making Florida gradually more competitive again as we get closer. I'm no statistician though.

Florida places a high premium on hurricane relief; enough that maybe they don't even care it's somebody else's hurricane this time. They don't want the guy who'll send them canned goods.

205 jaunte  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:02:02pm

Helpless in a Hurricane: Mitt Romney's Five Dumbest Budget Cuts

FEMA: Cut $500 million.
NOAA: Cut $255 million.
SuperFund: Cut $60 million.
Nuclear Regulatory Commission: Cut $50 million.
HUD: Cut $2.05 billion.

206 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:02:07pm

re: #198 wrenchwench

Like I did in #153?

sorry,, they're coming fast and furious at me,, going back to look

207 HappyBenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:02:42pm

re: #205 jaunte

Helpless in a Hurricane: Mitt Romney's Five Dumbest Budget Cuts

There's that famous fiscal responsibility.

208 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:02:53pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

Good times. What sorta stuff you donating?

I bet zucchini. Plant one plant and feed the neighborhood. My dad is always trying to give me 3 or 10 when I visit. I am not much of a squash eater.

209 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:03:01pm

re: #153 wrenchwench

OK, so you aren't defending Romney's event. What was #107 about?

It was about a national figure bringing more attention to something

Was it done well? No,, was it meant too? I believe it was

210 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:03:12pm

re: #200 Daniel Ballard

*sigh*
Really looking forward to the election being over.

No shit, I'm way past my political BS saturation level.

211 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:03:43pm

re: #190 Targetpractice

So you're all set for the zombie apocalypse then?

Almost. I don't own a firearm, I'm just not a gun person but I'm thinking about buying a compound bow and setting up a target range in the basement. I still haven't purchased a generator but it's on my list.

212 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:03:51pm

re: #209 sattv4u2

It was about a national figure bringing more attention to something

Was it done well? No,, was it meant too? I believe it was

Mitt is such a master of organizational prowess.

213 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:04:00pm

re: #199 sattv4u2

I have conservative views
I have liberal views
I even have {gasp} libertarian views

I've never voted straight ticket in all my years

Gee, so do I.
Yet, you'll vote for Romney, yes?
Do you not care about the anti-science views of the GOP?
Do you not see the danger in the GOP completely ignoring what AGW will entail for us?

214 sagehen  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:04:12pm

re: #70 Killgore Trout

Because there are food banks, especially in effected areas such as coastal New Jersey that always need donations and appreciate them very much
[Link: www.foodbankmoc.org...]

Canned goods at food banks are useful to people with kitchens and can openers. Not so much for people at shelters, they're better served by crates full of MRE's.

215 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:04:18pm

re: #208 Eventual Carrion

I bet zucchini. Plant one plant and feed the neighborhood. My dad is always trying to give me 3 or 10 when I visit. I am not much of a squash eater.

I'd kill for some good zucchini right now. My mother hasn't been able to find some good ones at the local farmer's market to turn into zucchini bread this year.

216 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:05:18pm

re: #209 sattv4u2

It was about a national figure bringing more attention to something

Was it done well? No,, was it meant too? I believe it was

You admit it was not done well. Another way to put it is Romney failed.

Glad we got that cleared up.

217 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:05:32pm
218 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:05:45pm

re: #213 Varek Raith

Gee, so do I.
Yet, you'll vote for Romney, yes?

I don't even tell my wife who I vote for. Old fashioned here. Secret ballot,, and all that

Do you not care about the anti-science views of the GOP?

Yup, I care. I don't like it one bit

Do you not see the danger in the GOP completely ignoring what AGW will entail for us?

Asked and answered

219 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:05:53pm

re: #148 sattv4u2

Well,, as long as it wasn't a promise

So we voted for hyperbole and rhetoric ,

Good times!!

Voted for a vision. You know, like closing all Planned Parenthood locations and forcing rape victims to carry the progeny of the scum that raped them. A vision.

220 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:06:13pm

re: #217 Gus

[Embedded content]

"Human sacrifice, cats and dogs living together...mass hysteria!"

221 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:06:31pm

re: #216 wrenchwench

You admit it was not done well. Another way to put it is Romney failed.

Glad we got that cleared up.

I don't think there was anything to "clear up" in the 1st place

Don't put words in my mouth, then I won't have to "clear" them up

222 HappyBenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:06:34pm

Fuck these pastors.

223 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:06:36pm

re: #211 Killgore Trout

Almost. I don't own a firearm, I'm just not a gun person but I'm thinking about buying a compound bow and setting up a target range in the basement. I still haven't purchased a generator but it's on my list.

Bows are damn near useless against zombies. Get yourself a crowbar, preferably titanium.

224 Killgore Trout  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:06:38pm

re: #208 Eventual Carrion

I bet zucchini. Plant one plant and feed the neighborhood. My dad is always trying to give me 3 or 10 when I visit. I am not much of a squash eater.

I grow trombicino instead of zucchini. It's a climbing vine so it takes up very little soil space. Unlike zucchini it doesn't get mushy when cooked. Very tasty pan fried.

225 Canucknghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:07:10pm

re: #165 sattv4u2

A MBF from the left !!

I've heard such creatures were around!

The fact is that the MBF can be called by any and all political sides, but that doesn't mean every comparison is an invocation of the MBF.

226 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:07:11pm

re: #223 Kragar

Bows are damn near useless against zombies. Get yourself a crowbar, preferably titanium.

I'll just nuke them from orbit.

227 Sophist is theVillage Green Preservation Society  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:07:42pm

re: #201 sattv4u2

Flowers,,,, a nice card,.,,, c'mon,, something if you want me to give it up on the 1st date!!

You're using an event that has killed dozens of people and ruined many thousands more to mock the leader of the only party that thinks "rising oceans" is not inherently funny for lacking the magical ability to reverse the effects of global warming single-handedly.

Go.

Fuck.

Yourself.

228 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:08:04pm

re: #223 Kragar

Bows are damn near useless against zombies. Get yourself a crowbar, preferably titanium.

Crossbow has its uses, provided you can find plenty of bolts and don't rely upon it for anything other than sniping.

229 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:08:23pm

re: #201 sattv4u2

Cool

Someone tells me "FUCK YOU" and to SHUT THE FUCK UP" and I get the downdings!!!

Luv Ya, Guys!!! {sniffle,,, sniffle sniffle}

230 Canucknghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:08:54pm

re: #200 Daniel Ballard

*sigh*
Really looking forward to the election being over.

Me too.

231 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:09:10pm

re: #227 Sophist, Gingham Style

Go.

Fuck.

Yourself.

{SMOOCH}

232 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:09:57pm

re: #226 Varek Raith

I'll just nuke them from orbit.

We'ze on yur dropship, nomming yur flight crew!

233 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:10:14pm

re: #232 Kragar

We'ze on yur dropship, nomming yur flight crew!

Nuke that too.

234 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:11:15pm

re: #228 Targetpractice

Crossbow has its uses, provided you can find plenty of bolts and don't rely upon it for anything other than sniping.

Best bet, 2 man team, 1 with a catch pole, one with a pole arm of some sort.

235 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:11:21pm

re: #221 sattv4u2

I don't think there was anything to "clear up" in the 1st place

Don't put words in my mouth, then I won't have to "clear" them up

You said you were not defending Romney. In #107 you defended Romney. I didn't type that for you.

Also, what Gus said.

236 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:12:20pm

Ah well

Heading out to Trunk or Treat

Gotta go decorate the trunk!

237 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:12:40pm

re: #224 Killgore Trout

I grow trombicino instead of zucchini. It's a climbing vine so it takes up very little soil space. Unlike zucchini it doesn't get mushy when cooked. Very tasty pan fried.

Freaky. Even cats like 'em.

Image: tromboncino1.jpg

238 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:12:56pm

Religious Right Rabbi Blames Hurricane Sandy on Gays, Marriage Equality

Yesterday, Leiter appeared on Crosstalk, the flagship program of Vic Eliason’s Voice of Christian Youth America, alongside Neil DiCarlo, a candidate for New York State Senate, to discuss New York’s legalization of same-sex marriage.

Leiter asserted that the “the Great Flood in the time of Noah was triggered by the recognition of same-gender marriages,” adding that there are similar “messages in this particular storm for us.” “The Lord will not bring another flood to destroy the entire world but He could punish particular areas with a flood, and if we look at the same-gender marriage recognition movement that’s occurring, that certainly is a message for us to learn,” he said. “We have to learn that the Lord does watch what we do and if we don’t shape up He will deliver divine justice.” Leiter also suggested that God flooded Lower Manhattan because it is “one of the national centers of homosexuality.”

239 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:13:08pm

Oh ,, and Sophist, Gingham Style

What should I wear on our date?

240 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:13:29pm

Oy.

241 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:13:39pm

re: #232 Kragar

We'ze on yur dropship, nomming yur flight crew!

That is, until you get airlocked when you try to stow away...

242 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:13:48pm

re: #235 wrenchwench

You said you were not defending Romney. In #107 you defended Romney. I didn't type that for you.

Also, what Gus said.

Well,, as long as Gus said it,, case closed!!

243 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:14:01pm

re: #239 sattv4u2

Oh ,, and Sophist, Gingham Style

What should I wear on our date?

You're an ass. You don't need clothes.

244 HappyBenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:14:04pm

So sick of religious nut jobs blaming every disaster on gay people. Fucking depraved fuckers.

245 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:14:43pm

re: #242 sattv4u2

Well,, as long as Gus said it,, case closed!!

It's not that Gus said it, it's what Gus said. Did you read it?

246 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:14:49pm

re: #244 HappyWarrior

So sick of religious nut jobs blaming every disaster on gay people. Fucking depraved fuckers.

Seriously!
Don't they realize gay people have supernatural control of the universe?

247 Sophist is theVillage Green Preservation Society  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:15:12pm

re: #231 sattv4u2

Go.

Fuck.

Yourself.

{SMOOCH}

I notice you're not bothering to address my actual criticism of you using this event to attack someone trying to fix the problem in order to help a person who doesn't think the problem exists in the first place. Nope, I said a swear, so that's what you feel needs to be addressed.

And you want me to believe you're not a Republican? You're doing a poor job of that.

248 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:15:19pm

re: #243 wrenchwench

You're an ass. You don't need clothes.

I'm the emperor!?!?

249 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:15:22pm

re: #244 HappyWarrior

So sick of religious nut jobs blaming every disaster on gay people. Fucking depraved fuckers.

I think disasters are God's way of saying stop listening to those assholes and pay attention to the real world.

250 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:15:50pm

re: #243 wrenchwench

You're an ass. You don't need clothes.

Not sure we should be proposing to expose satt's neighbors to a naked ass.

251 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:16:19pm

re: #247 Sophist, Gingham Style

I notice you're not bothering to address my actual criticism of you using this event to attack someone trying to fix the problem in order to help a person who doesn't think the problem exists in the first place. Nope, I said a swear, so that's what you feel needs to be addressed.

And you want me to believe you're not a Republican? You're doing a poor job of that.

here's your problem, Skippy

I didn't "use this event" for anything

But nice try

So ,,, formal or casual wear??

252 Sophist is theVillage Green Preservation Society  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:16:34pm

re: #239 sattv4u2

Oh ,, and Sophist, Gingham Style

What should I wear on our date?

A sense of fucking decency?

253 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:16:59pm

re: #238 The Ghost of a Flea

Religious Right Rabbi Blames Hurricane Sandy on Gays, Marriage Equality

Obviously, it's well known that there were no storms or natural disasters back when homosexuals were hanged or burned at the stake.

254 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:17:14pm

re: #243 wrenchwench

You're an ass. You don't need clothes.

Chaps.

255 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:17:21pm

re: #246 Varek Raith

Seriously!
Don't they realize gay people have supernatural control of the universe?

256 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:17:27pm

re: #252 Sophist, Gingham Style

A sense of fucking decency?

Lets see

One of us told the other to FUCK YOU and GO FUCK YOURSELF,

hmmm,,,

257 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:17:30pm

God punishes the wicked with natural disasters, which is why Nazi Germany constantly got hit with hurricanes, blizzards, earthquakes, floods and plagues of locusts all the time.

Wait a second...

258 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:18:04pm

re: #252 Sophist, Gingham Style

re: #256 sattv4u2

Lets see

One of us told the other to FUCK YOU and GO FUCK YOURSELF,

hmmm,,,

Yup,,, on reflection, that seems "decent"!!

259 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:18:36pm

Image: tornoe-20121031-zombies.jpg

260 HappyBenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:18:43pm

re: #257 Kragar

God punishes the wicked with natural disasters, which is why Nazi Germany constantly got hit with hurricanes, blizzards, earthquakes, floods and plagues of locusts all the time.

Wait a second...

I guess they were okay because they didn't treat gays well.

261 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:18:58pm

If Democrats imitated Mitt Romney's advertising strategy...

Youtube Video
262 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:19:13pm

Kilgore

Take over

My work here is done!!

//

263 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:19:26pm

re: #231 sattv4u2

You've gone full blown wingnut. Isn't there a stalker blog or two with some room for you?

264 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:19:32pm

re: #256 sattv4u2

Lets see

One of us told the other to FUCK YOU and GO FUCK YOURSELF,

hmmm,,,

Isn't that what you wanted?

265 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:19:54pm

Pastor: Obama's Re-Election will be 'Setting Ourselves up to Get the Divine Judgment we Deserve'

Pastor Joseph Mattera in a commentary for Charisma warns that the re-election of President Obama will compel God to punish America in the form of natural disasters and even terrorist attacks. He warns that Obama’s pro-choice policies that will keep abortion legal will lead to an “increase of natural disasters over the past 10 to 15 years like statewide droughts, wildfires, massive flooding, devastating tornadoes and hurricanes, in addition to terrorist attacks at home and abroad.” Mattera adds that re-electing a President who supports marriage equality for gays and lesbians “would be the ultimate act of snubbing our noses against God and His moral law” and consequently Americans “are setting ourselves up to get the divine judgment we deserve to satisfy the justice of God.” He goes on to accuse Obama of stoking potential race riots and working to impose hate speech laws.

266 Sophist is theVillage Green Preservation Society  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:20:02pm

re: #251 sattv4u2

I didn't "use this event" for anything

...

Obama promised to lower the rising oceans

How'd that work out for ya

267 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:20:23pm

re: #263 Mocking Jay

You've gone full blown wingnut. Isn't there a stalker blog or two with some room for you?

Really?

What "wingnut" positions do I hold??

(oh,, wait ,,,, I don't nod sagely at everything everyone here posts ,,, HENCE ,, wingnut,,,, got it!!) How silly of me

268 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:20:31pm

re: #260 HappyWarrior

I guess they were okay because they didn't treat gays well.

But according to Bryan Fischer, all the Nazis were gay.

269 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:20:42pm

Comments in normal mode aren't loading for me. Spy is working.

270 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:20:55pm

re: #264 wrenchwench

Isn't that what you wanted?

Not really

I asked for dinner, drinks, a card,,,, flowers

271 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:21:01pm

re: #261 darthstar

If Democrats imitated Mitt Romney's advertising strategy...

[Embedded content]

"This message approved by Mitt Romney's sense of integrity."

There's a paradox there . . . .

272 Sophist is theVillage Green Preservation Society  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:21:15pm

re: #256 sattv4u2

Lets see

One of us told the other to FUCK YOU and GO FUCK YOURSELF,

hmmm,,,

Another person who doesn't know the difference between decency and decorum.

273 Alouenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:21:41pm

re: #238 The Ghost of a Flea

Religious Right Rabbi Blames Hurricane Sandy on Gays, Marriage Equality

What a surprise, Jews can be assholes too.

274 HappyBenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:21:42pm

Honestly, I am no atheist or even agnostic but if God's going to be more upset at us electing a black centrist Democrat president who favors gays having the right to marry than he would be at something like the Holocaust or the existence of slavery, I don't think I want to believe in such a God. The God of the religious right is a petty asshole with no perspective. Fortunately for the allmighty, whatever it is, I think this is more of people putting their traits on the allmighty.

275 efuseakay  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:21:45pm

re: #269 JamesWI

Comments in normal mode aren't loading for me. Spy is working.

Same. Having trouble logging in via the link at the top right too. Just bounces me back to the front page. On my iPad and iPhone.

276 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:21:49pm

re: #265 Kragar

Pastor: Obama's Re-Election will be 'Setting Ourselves up to Get the Divine Judgment we Deserve'

You would think that they'd be thrilled by that. I mean, if they truly believe the country to be full of wicked sinners, wouldn't they want divide punishment that would leave them untouched?

Of course, that presumes they actually care about "saving" anyone, as opposed to just pushing their religious views and beliefs on others...

277 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:22:11pm

re: #267 sattv4u2

Really?

What "wingnut" positions do I hold??

(oh,, wait ,,,, I don't nod sagely at everything everyone here posts ,,, HENCE ,, wingnut,,,, got it!!) How silly of me

This is wingnutty To the max.

278 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:22:30pm

re: #265 Kragar

Pastor: Obama's Re-Election will be 'Setting Ourselves up to Get the Divine Judgment we Deserve'

Bring it on, invisible sky wizard!

279 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:22:31pm
280 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:22:58pm

re: #270 sattv4u2

Not really

I asked for dinner, drinks, a card,,,, flowers

You're as predictable as basic cable, satty...but you are consistent in your assholery, I will give you that much. Still, that doesn't make you a bad person...just an annoying one.

281 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:22:59pm

re: #266 Sophist, Gingham Style

...

In response too [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You really should pay attention. It doesn't cost anything

282 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:23:00pm

re: #270 sattv4u2

Not really

I asked for dinner, drinks, a card,,,, flowers

You weren't saying you try harder to be an ass? If not, you need to work on your writing style.

283 Canucknghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:23:06pm

re: #217 Gus

[Embedded content]

Unfortunately it will lead to more bull shit predictions of doom.

284 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:23:13pm

re: #278 Varek Raith

Bring it on, invisible sky wizard!

CROM LAUGHS AT YOUR SKY GOD!

285 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:24:56pm

re: #277 wrenchwench

This is wingnutty. To the max.

Did I approve, agree or sanction any of that? If not, why tie it to me?? Again, making me defend what I DIDN'T agree too

It gets tedious

286 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:26:21pm

re: #280 darthstar

You're as predictable as basic cable, satty...but you are consistent in your assholery, I will give you that much. Still, that doesn't make you a bad person...just an annoying one.

Pot, meet kettle

287 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:26:35pm

re: #285 sattv4u2

Did I approve, agree or sanction any of that? If not, why tie it to me?? Again, making me defend what I DIDN'T agree too

It gets tedious

You posted it.

288 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:27:06pm

Polls for Romney were terrible today. I wouldn't be surprised to see Silver's odds jump up over 80% (cue wingnut rage)

Meanwhile, Romney's people just had a conference call with press claiming they're going to win Florida by double digits (which is why they've been campaigning in Florida pretty much every day), Colorado is clearly going their way (which is why Mitt and Ann Romney will be campaigning there tomorrow), and that they're in a "good position" to win PA, MI, and MN (which is why their campaign pretty much haven't stepped foot in those states), and that those states are "part of their plan to get to 300 EV" when the only person who seems to think he has a chance of getting 300 is Dick Morris.

Baghdad Bob escaped Iraq and is working for the Romney campaign.

289 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:27:11pm

Mittmentum!

Poll: Obama Reaches 50 Percent, Leads Romney By 5 Nationally

President Barack Obama leads Mitt Romney by 5 points nationally, according to a poll released Wednesday afternoon.

The final United Technologies/National Journal Congressional Connection Poll shows Obama earning the support of 50 percent of likely voters to Romney's 45 percent.

Princeton Survey Research Associates International conducted the poll Oct. 25-28 using live phone interviews with 713 likely voters nationwide. It has a margin of error of 4.4 percentage points.

290 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:27:14pm

re: #282 wrenchwench

You weren't saying you try harder to be an ass? If not, you need to work on your writing style.

Nahh,,, that comes naturally

I was trying harder to get a free dinner!!

291 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:27:28pm

re: #286 sattv4u2

Pot, meet kettle

You cut me.

292 Canucknghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:27:48pm

I hate it when people get drunk on politics, especially when they leave kool-aid behind.

293 Sophist is theVillage Green Preservation Society  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:28:08pm

re: #281 sattv4u2

In response too [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You really should pay attention. It doesn't cost anything

Yes, exactly. Obama wants to do something about rising ocean levels. Romney wants to tell jokes about rising ocean levels. And your response to is "Ha, don't you feel stupid for voting for the guy that wanted to fix this!"

294 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:28:10pm

re: #290 sattv4u2

Nahh,,, that comes naturally

I was trying harder to get a free dinner!!

#285 was too stupid for words. I'm now on the Kragar system.

295 Canucknghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:28:45pm

re: #290 sattv4u2

Nahh,,, that comes naturally

I was trying harder to get a free dinner!!

Obviously you aren't trying hard enough.

296 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:28:48pm

Sophist, I understand why you downdinged me...but I do agree satty's being a dick...I just don't take anything he says seriously. Ever.

297 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:29:13pm

re: #291 darthstar

You cut me.

At least I used the good carving knife, not the rusty old box cutter in the bottom of the tool chest

298 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:29:17pm
299 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:29:46pm

re: #294 wrenchwench

#285 was too stupid for words. I'm now on the Kragar system.

THE DAY IS MINE!

300 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:29:47pm

re: #287 wrenchwench

You posted it.

Your link brings me back to the top of this thread, so I have nottaclue as to what you mean

301 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:30:13pm

re: #297 sattv4u2

At least I used the good carving knife, not the rusty old box cutter in the bottom of the tool chest

Speaking of carvers...I broke mine mid-pumpkin...my pumpkins look like shit this year.

Image: 404178_10151245452053024_486578740_n.jpg

303 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:31:07pm

re: #300 sattv4u2

Your link brings me back to the top of this thread, so I have nottaclue as to what you mean

Comment 133 in this thread.

304 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:31:15pm

re: #301 darthstar

Speaking of carvers...I broke mine mid-pumpkin...my pumpkins look like shit this year.

Image: 404178_10151245452053024_486578740_n.jpg

The one on the right looks excited already!

305 Sophist is theVillage Green Preservation Society  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:31:18pm

re: #296 darthstar

Sophist, I understand why you downdinged me...but I do agree satty's being a dick...I just don't take anything he says seriously. Ever.

Which post did I downding?

ETA: Oh, that one. Sorry, that was inadvertent.

306 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:31:19pm

re: #257 Kragar

God punishes the wicked with natural disasters, which is why Nazi Germany constantly got hit with hurricanes, blizzards, earthquakes, floods and plagues of locusts all the time.

Wait a second...

Yeah, we had to conjure up our own disasters to visit on the Nazis:
Hurricane fighter
Locust tank (though Shermans and T-34s made up the most destructive swarms.)
Earthquake bomb (aka Grand Slam)
There were also firestorms and blizzards of shells.

307 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:31:38pm

re: #301 darthstar

Speaking of carvers...I broke mine mid-pumpkin...my pumpkins look like shit this year.

Image: 404178_10151245452053024_486578740_n.jpg

You're still a step ahead of me. I'm not sure the pumpkins we picked up a couple weeks ago are gonna get carved. We had to bring in all the decorations on Saturday to avoid losing them to Sandy, now nobody has the motivation to put them back out there in the couple hours of dim daylight left, there's no candy been bought, and the pumpkins remain uncarved.

Think this might be the first Halloween in forever where we don't pass out candy.

308 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:31:42pm

re: #300 sattv4u2

Your link brings me back to the top of this thread, so I have nottaclue as to what you mean

Try this link. That's a very wingnutty thing that you posted in this thread.

[sorry Kragar. I tried.]

309 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:31:43pm

Yeesh - Seaside Heights, NJ

Image: enhanced-buzz-wide-29875-1351710852-2.jpg

Image: enhanced-buzz-wide-29779-1351710627-2.jpg

I think that tangled mess of metal on the bottom right of the second picture is part of a roller coaster.

310 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:32:02pm

Obama in Brigantine, NJ Live. With Christie, Menendez, and Lautenberg.

[Link: www.c-span.org...]

311 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:32:07pm

re: #304 sattv4u2

The one on the right looks excited already!

"She" is supposed to be rolling her eyes as the "guy" in the hat is grinning at her.

312 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:32:09pm

Beisner: Hurricane Sandy was Sent By God as 'a Matter of Grace'

Today on "Focal Point," Bryan Fischer brought on Dr. Cal Beisner of the Cornwall Alliance to discuss the impact of Hurricane Sandy. Beisner, who received his doctorate in Scottish History, is the Religious Right's favorite climate change "expert" primarily because his entire agenda is rooted in the belief that environmentalism is a religion that is out to destroy Christianity.

Back in 2011, after a massive tornado devastated parts of Missouri and killed more than 300 people, Beisner claimed that it was sent as "a little taste" of God's judgment , which is a claim he reiterated this time around, saying that through Hurricane Sandy, God is alerting mankind that "there is an eternity of suffering ahead" for those who do not repent and is therefore really "a matter of grace." That prompted Fischer to declare that Americans now need to "search our hearts, we need to go before God, we need to fast and pray to see if we can understand why we may be, at this time, the object of God's wrath":

I think the reason is fairly obvious.

We tolerate people like Bryan Fischer.

313 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:32:09pm

re: #301 darthstar

re: #304 sattv4u2

The one on the right looks excited already!

Name him DickHead

314 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:32:30pm

re: #309 JamesWI

Yeesh - Seaside Heights, NJ

Image: enhanced-buzz-wide-29875-1351710852-2.jpg

Image: enhanced-buzz-wide-29779-1351710627-2.jpg

I think that tangled mess of metal on the bottom right of the second picture is part of a roller coaster.

Damn, used to go there as a kid.

315 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:32:41pm

re: #311 darthstar

"She" is supposed to be rolling her eyes as the "guy" in the hat is grinning at her.

"She" has a woody sticking out of "her" noggin

FIX IT!

316 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:33:24pm

re: #301 darthstar

Speaking of carvers...I broke mine mid-pumpkin...my pumpkins look like shit this year.

Image: 404178_10151245452053024_486578740_n.jpg

There are these things, long pointy pieces of metal, called knives, which can work wonders.

317 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:33:44pm

re: #315 sattv4u2

"She" has a woody sticking out of "her" noggin

FIX IT!

That's her pony tail.

318 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:34:06pm

re: #316 Kragar

There are these things, long pointy pieces of metal, called knives, which can work wonders.

Use this.
Image: buster4.jpg

319 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:34:30pm

re: #316 Kragar

There are these things, long pointy pieces of metal, called knives, which can work wonders.

Got tons of them. Seriously considered pulling out my heavy cleaver and displaying a deconstructed pumpkin this year.

320 Obdicut  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:34:34pm

Hey, Charles? New comments aren't loading for me. I'm posting this via the SPY. Using Chrome on Win 7.

321 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:35:05pm

re: #318 Varek Raith

Use this.
Image: buster4.jpg

Seems a tad impractical.

322 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:35:25pm

re: #314 Varek Raith

Damn, used to go there as a kid.

When my family went on a vacation to New York/ New Jersey when I was in the fifth grade or so, we rented a little house that was a block or two off the beach there. Wonder if it's still standing.....

323 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:35:30pm

re: #321 Kragar

Seems a tad impractical.

I disagree.

324 erik_t  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:35:39pm

re: #288 JamesWI

Polls for Romney were terrible today. I wouldn't be surprised to see Silver's odds jump up over 80% (cue wingnut rage)

Math has a well-known effeminate bias.

/

325 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:35:57pm

re: #321 Kragar

Seems a tad impractical.

You haven't seen his pumpkin!!

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

326 erik_t  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:36:06pm

re: #318 Varek Raith

Use this.
Image: buster4.jpg

As what, shelving?

327 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:36:17pm

re: #309 JamesWI

[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

328 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:37:10pm

4-year-old weeps for ‘Bronco Bamma and Mitt Romney’ election to end

A 4-year-old Texas girl is so exhausted by the 2012 presidential election that it moved her to tears on Tuesday.

Elizabeth Evans told KUSA that she had been driving to the grocery store and listening to election coverage on NPR with her daughter, Abigael, when the girl began to cry.

Evans asked her daughter why she was upset.

“Just because I’m tired of Bronco Bamma and Mitt Romney,” the girl replied as a tear rolled down her cheek.

“Aw, that’s why you’re crying?” Evans replied. “It will be over soon, Abby. The election will be over soon.”

329 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:37:15pm

re: #326 erik_t

As what, shelving?

Toothpick.

330 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:37:50pm

re: #325 sattv4u2

Wingnutty.

331 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:38:31pm

re: #320 Obdicut

Hey, Charles? New comments aren't loading for me. I'm posting this via the SPY. Using Chrome on Win 7.

I've had on-and-off issues as well, i.e. I'll open a thread the way I always do, but the comments don't load at all. Hasn't happened today, but overall comment loading does seem to take longer than usual. FF (who knows what version, it changes by the minute) on Win7.

332 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:38:43pm

Pastor: Mormonism is a cult, but Obama is like Hitler so vote Romney

First Baptist Church of Dallas Senior Pastor Robert Jeffress told religious leaders at WTBN Ninth Annual Pastors Appreciation Lunch on Tuesday that they needed to make politics a part of their sermons, according to The Tampa Tribune.

“I believe the preservation of America depends on pastors,” Jeffress said. “This is no time for God’s men to be passive. It’s time to stand up and push back against all the evil in our country… Tell your people that they have a choice: to cast a vote for righteousness or vote for unrighteousness.”

Jeffress said that pastors should urge church members to vote for candidates who support “biblical values” like opposition to abortion and marriage equality.

“Stay silent, he warned them, and you’re no different than German Lutheran pastors who didn’t speak out against Hitler’s growing influence in the late 1930s. That lack of action led to the Holocaust, he said,” the Tribune‘s Michelle Bearden reported.

In an interview after the event, Jeffress said that he had not explicitly endorsed Romney, but “people can connect the dots. It’s clear which candidate shares our views.”

During the Republican presidential primary, the Texas pastor made news when he told the Values Voter Summit that Gov. Rick Perry was a “a genuine follower of Jesus Christ” and Romney was “not a Christian” because he belong to a cult.

333 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:38:54pm

Christie and Obama speaking now

334 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:38:55pm

Obama and Christie... Live

[Link: www.c-span.org...]

335 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:39:42pm

I can see why Republicans are calling Christie a RINO...he's fuckin' huge!

Glad to see him and President Obama doing what needs to be done all the same. Live conference now if you're interested.

336 Canucknghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:39:57pm

re: #307 Targetpractice

You're still a step ahead of me. I'm not sure the pumpkins we picked up a couple weeks ago are gonna get carved. We had to bring in all the decorations on Saturday to avoid losing them to Sandy, now nobody has the motivation to put them back out there in the couple hours of dim daylight left, there's no candy been bought, and the pumpkins remain uncarved.

Think this might be the first Halloween in forever where we don't pass out candy.

So long as you pass out.

337 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:40:01pm

re: #334 Gus

Obama and Christie... Live

[Link: www.c-span.org...]

That high pitched keening sound you hear is the freepers reaction.

338 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:40:18pm

re: #302 Varek Raith

And burying power lines brings out its own set of problems - see areas that are flooded (it can take longer to restore power in flooded areas than non flooded areas because utility cables would need to be rethreaded and utility spaces need to be dried out - a tough task where you've experienced flooding and high water table persists.

339 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:40:30pm

re: #337 Kragar

That high pitched keening sound you hear is the freepers reaction.

I'll say. Whew, he just personally thanked him.

340 Alouenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:40:36pm

I created a DERP list on Twitter in order to see all the wingnuts in one place without following them.

Warning: looking at this list for too long will make you throw up in your mouth and all over your keyboard.

341 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:41:19pm

re: #321 Kragar

Seems a tad impractical.

Not for this pumpkin.

Image: 39th-annual-Pumpkin-Weigh-off_2_1.jpg

342 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:41:59pm

re: #339 Gus

I'll say. Whew, he just personally thanked him.

"HE SHOOK HIS HAND! INFECTION! INFECTION!"

343 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:42:30pm

Due to Sandy destroying all teleprompters, President Obama is speaking in front of two Yamaha 150hp engines.

344 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:42:56pm

re: #338 lawhawk

And burying power lines brings out its own set of problems - see areas that are flooded (it can take longer to restore power in flooded areas than non flooded areas because utility cables would need to be rethreaded and utility spaces need to be dried out - a tough task where you've experienced flooding and high water table persists.

It's also much more costly to install, not to mention maintain even when there are no weather issues

345 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:43:09pm

Boom!

346 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:43:52pm

re: #331 Interesting Times

I've had on-and-off issues as well, i.e. I'll open a thread the way I always do, but the comments don't load at all. Hasn't happened today, but overall comment loading does seem to take longer than usual. FF (who knows what version, it changes by the minute) on Win7.

The comments always load for me, but it takes upwards of 40 seconds (which, for an Internet user, is nearly an eternity).

347 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:44:26pm

The guy standing next to Christie looks exactly like Ted Thompson (the wizard-like GM of the Green Bay Packers, for you non-football fans)

348 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:44:27pm

"People who were supposed to get the hell out and didn't."
President Obama giving Christie a shout-out for his direct language.

Oh, and Fox is airing this live too...imagine that.

349 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:45:21pm

I can totally ride out an asteroid impact in my basement.
Totally.

350 Alouenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:45:27pm

Heh.

351 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:46:06pm

re: #344 sattv4u2

Well - there is a time and place for buried lines - locations with high wind issues, but not areas prone to flooding. Overhead lines make sense in areas prone to flooding, but not wind, especially if you've got tree cover and insuffiicent pruning.

A good and reliable power distribution system incorporates both - and spending to maintain them in good working service.

That hasn't always been the case.

352 Canucknghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:46:15pm

re: #335 darthstar

I can see why Republicans are calling Christie a RINO...he's fuckin' huge!

Glad to see him and President Obama doing what needs to be done all the same. Live conference now if you're interested.

Good thing blubber doesn't degrade mental ability, or I'd be an idiot.

Oh, you were talking about someone else.

My bad.

353 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:46:40pm
354 Lidanghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:46:48pm

re: #103 Targetpractice

That's nice. Let's take a second to consider how much money the campaign might have been able to donate if they hadn't staged this little photo-op instead.

Yeah, this.

355 alpuz  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:47:42pm

re: #330 wrenchwench

The 'Obama promised to lower the rising oceans' snark has been making it's way around wingnuttia today. Here's Tucker Carlson's attempt:

Link

356 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:48:06pm

re: #352 b_sharp

Good thing blubber doesn't degrade mental ability, or I'd be an idiot.

Oh, you were talking about someone else.

My bad.

He's just big boned.

357 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:49:22pm

I was wondering how California PG&E trucks would get to New Jersey fast enough...C-17s make that an overnight trip.

358 erik_t  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:49:33pm

re: #355 alpuz

The 'Obama promised to lower the rising oceans' snark has been making it's way around wingnuttia today. Here's Tucker Carlson's attempt:

Link

Almost as if there had been a coordinated push and effort from wingnuttia. How very curious.

359 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:50:19pm

re: #357 darthstar

I was wondering how California PG&E trucks would get to New Jersey fast enough...C-17s make that an overnight trip.

Straight to McGuire.

360 Canucknghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:50:29pm

re: #356 darthstar

He's just big boned.

I'm small boned.

At least that's what my wife complains.

361 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:50:36pm

This is what a President looks like. Talking the details of relief effort, giving people important info, no talk of politics.

As opposed to showing a campaign video, ranting about Benghazi, and handing out boxes of cheerios so your supporters look like they're actually contributing.

362 alpuz  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:50:52pm

re: #358 erik_t

Nah.. that never happens. Nope.

/

363 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:50:54pm

re: #355 alpuz

The 'Obama promised to lower the rising oceans' snark has been making it's way around wingnuttia today. Here's Tucker Carlson's attempt:

Link

It's so nice that we get ours personally hand carried in here. Saves us clicking on those other sites.

364 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:50:57pm
365 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:51:24pm

Military assets being made available to bring in needed equipment to restore water/power/sewage infrastructure.

366 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:51:27pm

re: #357 darthstar

I was wondering how California PG&E trucks would get to New Jersey fast enough...C-17s make that an overnight trip.

There was a caravan of Georgia Power trucks heading north as I was going into work Monday morning

367 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:51:38pm

re: #357 darthstar

Mutual support calls were placed beginning last week - we started seeing trucks from Florida on Thursday/Friday staging at Garden State Plaza in Paramus NJ (see my blog post). Similarly, trucks from Michigan showed up Sunday and after.

Depending on when they were called they could be here already or within a day or so of being here.

368 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:51:39pm

re: #359 Gus

Straight to McGuire.

I don't see how Tom Cruise can help.

369 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:51:50pm

re: #357 darthstar

I was wondering how California PG&E trucks would get to New Jersey fast enough...C-17s make that an overnight trip.

Saturn Vs.

370 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:52:25pm

re: #369 Varek Raith

Saturn Vs.

Faster, yes, but stopping those things without shaking up the cargo is a bitch.

371 garhighway  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:52:45pm

re: #358 erik_t

Almost as if there had been a coordinated push and effort from wingnuttia. How very curious.

I wonder how far down the calling tree Sat is.

372 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:52:50pm

Nice.

373 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:53:16pm

re: #370 darthstar

Faster, yes, but stopping those things without shaking up the cargo is a bitch.

Rockets>>>Cargo.

374 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:53:17pm

re: #363 wrenchwench

Sheesh ,,, I told you I try harder!!!

375 erik_t  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:53:24pm

re: #369 Varek Raith

Saturn Vs.

I don't think the intelligent course of action is to boil all of the water out of Manhattan.

376 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:53:35pm

There's a woman who ran out of diapers. Paul Ryan had two packages of diapers on a table in Wisconsin yesterday. He could run them to New Jersey (on foot!) in two hours and fifty-something.

377 wrenchwench  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:53:37pm

re: #355 alpuz

The 'Obama promised to lower the rising oceans' snark has been making it's way around wingnuttia today. Here's Tucker Carlson's attempt:

Link

Oh look. It's in Limbaugh's daily email too.

Clinton Defends Obama Promise to Lower Sea Level

Ah, it's Clinton's fault!!!

378 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:53:39pm

re: #365 Only The Lurker Knows

Military assets being made available to bring in needed equipment to restore water/power/sewage infrastructure.

"But... Walmart... Jars of peanut butter... I TOUCHED A POOR PERSON!" - Mitt Romney

379 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:53:58pm

re: #371 garhighway

I wonder how far down the calling tree Sat is.

I'm on speed dial!

380 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:54:21pm

re: #375 erik_t

I don't think the intelligent course of action is to boil all of the water out of Manhattan.

...
Why?
;)

381 erik_t  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:55:11pm

re: #380 Varek Raith

...
Why?
;)

Well I suppose it would put out all of the fires, just before it started a bunch more fires.

I guess you can categorize it as a temporary solution.

382 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:55:24pm
383 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:57:15pm

re: #382 Gus

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But no opener.

384 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:57:22pm

((someones blood pressure tics up every time I post!!))

385 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:57:54pm

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386 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:58:09pm

re: #384 sattv4u2

Serenity NOW!

387 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:58:27pm

re: #386 lawhawk

Serenity NOW!

Thank you, Frank Costanza!

388 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:58:31pm

California sets voter registration record

A record number of Californians have registered to vote for the Nov. 6 election, with a new online registration system and growing interest in the tight presidential race helping to create a surge of applications in recent weeks.

As of Wednesday, counties have reported a record 18.14 million people are registered to vote, eclipsing the previous record of 17.33 million registrants, set in February 2009.

The numbers will go up as some counties this week finish counting new registrants, according to Paul Mitchell, vice president of Political Data Inc., which is analyzing the numbers. He predicted the final number will be about 18.4 million registered voters.

Mitchell said a key factor in the surge is the state's decision to allow online voter registration for the Nov. 6 election, which drew more than 1 million applications in the last few months.

389 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:58:52pm

re: #385 darthstar

Image: 554015_372203672856725_2094874481_n.jpg

Cast member from The Angry Red Planet?

390 Canucknghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:58:53pm

re: #380 Varek Raith

...
Why?
;)

That's a job for sharks with frikkin lasers on their heads.

391 Sophist is theVillage Green Preservation Society  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:59:01pm

re: #384 sattv4u2

No, but I'm in serious danger of spraining whatever muscle it is you use to roll your eyes.

392 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:59:17pm

re: #385 darthstar

Image: 554015_372203672856725_2094874481_n.jpg

Holy fuck! Took me a second to recognize what I was looking at. All I saw was more than four legs and my arachnophobia went ballistic.

393 allegro  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:59:20pm

re: #385 darthstar

Image: 554015_372203672856725_2094874481_n.jpg

Whoa! That is an awesome costume!

394 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:59:21pm

Derp.

395 alpuz  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:59:27pm

I don't know why.. but for some reason I have the feeling the whole collect canned goods and put 'em on the tour bus photo op idea came straight from Priebus.

It has that 'i just opened a bag of shredded cheddar' smell.

396 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 1:59:31pm

re: #378 Kragar

"But... Walmart... Jars of peanut butter... I TOUCHED A POOR PERSON!" - Mitt Romney

*The role of 'poor person' was played by Romney surrogate Stephen Baldwin.

397 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:00:02pm

re: #391 Sophist, Gingham Style

No, but I'm in serious danger of spraining whatever muscle it is you use to roll your eye.

Why would you be spraining my muscle??

Oh , wait ,,, thats after dinner, right!?!?!

398 Iwouldprefernotto  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:00:13pm

re: #394 Gus

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Derp.

I pray that people like Michael Reagan learn to think before they speak.

399 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:00:22pm

re: #391 Sophist, Gingham Style

No, but I'm in serious danger of spraining whatever muscle it is you use to roll your eye.

Link. I'm just here to help.

400 sattv4u2  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:00:36pm

re: #393 allegro

Whoa! That is an awesome costume!

The look on the dogs face, he doesn't think so!!

401 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:00:54pm

The definition of conceit:

A mosquito with a hard on floating on his back down a river screaming "OPEN THE DRAWBRIDGE!"

402 Canucknghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:01:21pm

re: #394 Gus

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Derp.

Giant Walmart-sized non sequitur.

403 Canucknghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:01:57pm

re: #398 Iwouldprefernotto

I pray that people like Michael Reagan learn to think before they speak.

God said no.

404 Varek Raith  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:02:03pm

re: #394 Gus

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Derp.

He says so many stupid things, I wonder if he swims.

405 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:02:49pm

re: #404 Varek Raith

He says so many stupid things, I wonder if he swims.

You mean like he has yet to make it onto land... evolutionary speaking?

//

406 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:03:00pm

He still has gills.

407 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:04:12pm

re: #404 Varek Raith

He says so many stupid things, I wonder if he swims.

With cognitive abilities like that, you know bacon is delicious.

408 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:04:50pm

Banjo (not liking the whole Halloween thing):
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Fozzie (only slightly more tolerant):
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409 Alouenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:05:49pm

re: #385 darthstar

Image: 554015_372203672856725_2094874481_n.jpg

If you dressed up a cat like this, it would get ideas.

410 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:05:56pm

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411 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:06:46pm

re: #410 Gus

Image: Sandy-response.jpg

LIES!!!1111

412 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:06:47pm

Pat Robertson’s Halloween advice: Scary movies will literally ‘haunt you’

In a special segment ahead of Halloween this year, Robertson warned viewers that even though scary movies are “fake,” they are still “demonic” and will definitely “haunt you,” then stressed that committing a sin, like watching one, is actually just like playing Russian Roulette… with your soul.

“You don’t want to open yourself up to demonic influence,” he said, answering a viewer’s question about scary movies on television. “You begin to be entranced by it. You begin to come in to it. The next thing you know, you’re going one step beyond. The devil is very subtle and very sly.”

“You can’t focus in on the evil that’s out there, the sickness of some of the Hollywood writers is just simply appalling. ‘The Night of the Living Dead’? You know, the chainsaw massacre? Horrible stuff, the blood and gore. You don’t want to focus your life on that because it will haunt you.”

In response to another questioner who inquired about the dire seriousness of hellfire and damnation, Robertson appeared to escalate the type of risk he thinks people take when they commit acts against God (like watching horror movies).

“Why would you be playing games?” he asked. “It’s like saying, ‘Six turns of a pistol, I’ve got one bullet in it, I’m gonna keep pointing it at my head and hope it doesn’t go off.’”

Robertson went on to explain that God is like a giant, invisible “supercomputer” somewhere out there in parts unknown, keeping track of every single thought and action. “You better hope and pray you’re in the lord, and the lord’s blood has covered everything you’ve ever done,” he cautioned. “Because everything you’ve ever done is in those books.”

413 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:07:30pm

re: #412 Kragar

Pat Robertson’s Halloween advice: Scary movies will literally ‘haunt you’

He may have a point, I'm still haunted by all the cheesy "found footage" horror movies and bad B-movies I've seen over the years. Ugh, Blair Witch...

414 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:09:05pm

re: #413 Targetpractice

He may have a point, I'm still haunted by all the cheesy "found footage" horror movies and bad B-movies I've seen over the years. Ugh, Blair Witch...

I sit up late at night and ask myself "What the fuck did I just spend the last 90 minutes watching?"

Haunting.

415 allegro  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:09:28pm

re: #412 Kragar

“You better hope and pray you’re in the lord, and the lord’s blood has covered everything you’ve ever done,” he cautioned. “Because everything you’ve ever done is in those books.”

And he complains about gory movies?

416 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:09:55pm
417 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:10:54pm

re: #415 allegro

“You better hope and pray you’re in the lord, and the lord’s blood has covered everything you’ve ever done,” he cautioned. “Because everything you’ve ever done is in those books.”

And he complains about gory movies?

More blood and carnage in the pages of the Bible than the whole Saw franchise.

418 erik_t  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:10:59pm

re: #412 Kragar

Pat Robertson’s Halloween advice: Scary movies will literally ‘haunt you’

I think he's talking about the Star Wars Holiday Special.

419 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:10:59pm

re: #415 allegro

“You better hope and pray you’re in the lord, and the lord’s blood has covered everything you’ve ever done,” he cautioned. “Because everything you’ve ever done is in those books.”

And he complains about gory movies?

8 Gratuitously Violent Horror Movie Scenes (from the Bible)

420 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:11:25pm

re: #418 erik_t

I think he's talking about the Star Wars Holiday Special.

*shudders*

421 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:11:54pm

re: #418 erik_t

I think he's talking about the Star Wars Holiday Special.

Hurricane Sandy was God's wrath for celebrating the Wookiee Life Day.

422 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:12:22pm

Damage at Jones Beach on Long Island.

423 Iwouldprefernotto  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:13:14pm

re: #416 Gus

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I was thinking, I do this every once in awhile, that perhaps Christie will be the first person to stand up to Rush L. and live to tell about it. Would love to see it.

424 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:13:30pm

re: #421 Kragar

Hurricane Sandy was God's wrath for celebrating the Wookiee Life Day.

God knows what horrors await us for Gigli.

425 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:14:02pm

Interesting. Overall the Republicans are pissed off at both Christie and Obama. Meanwhile, Democrats are happy with Obama and pretty much supportive of Christie.

Hate vs. rage. A constant.

SNAFU in the GOP.

426 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:15:15pm

The Most Insanely Violent Cartoon Ever (Is About the Bible)

Everything seems to be going along swimmingly, as far as nailing your racial nemesis goes, and then the pre-marriage celebration comes around. Samson, as Philistine tradition dictates, is given 30 escorts for the next seven days. In the spirit of camaraderie, he proposes that they all play a fun little game: He'll come up with a riddle, and if they solve it before the wedding, they'll each get a new robe. Isn't that neat? That's how you design a good game; the mechanics are simple, everybody is equally involved and the stakes are just low enough to keep everything friendly.

But then those dirty Philistines go and ruin everything. They try to coerce Samson's weak-willed, treacherous woman-beast into giving up the answer to this benign little riddle game. This turns out to be quite easy, actually: They make a few patriotic pleas, a couple of threats and when that doesn't work, they just eye-slave that bitch.

Hey, turnabout is fair play.

After a few days trapped in the Phantom Zone behind the Philistine woman's dead, dead eyes, Samson's escorts return just before the ceremony to solve his riddle.

Man, what a shitty thing to do. Cheaters shouldn't ever prosper. Samson would be totally within his rights to not honor this bet, but then, what kind of lesson would that teach to the kids? He's no welcher, cheating or no. So our hero -- our protagonist, the strong-jawed, noble main character that's been the spearhead of every lovable, wacky shenanigan so far -- honors his part of the bargain. He goes out and he gets those robes ... by murdering 30 completely unrelated, innocent people in an alleyway.

Now, I know this is Biblically accurate, Christians, and you don't want to teach the kids half-truths or falsehoods about something as sacred as the bible, but was there no better way to treat this scenario in a children's cartoon? Couldn't you have cut to narration, or tasteful editing, or hey -- maybe you could have stopped just short of recording the agonizing death screams of innocent men echoing through the empty city streets?

427 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:15:31pm

re: #425 Gus

Interesting. Overall the Republicans are pissed off at both Christie and Obama. Meanwhile, Democrats are happy with Obama and pretty much supportive of Christie.

Hate vs. rage. A constant.

SNAFU in the GOP.

Hmm... "Hate vs. rage. A constant." needed some more work. I meant hate vs. happiness.

428 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:16:29pm

"In the context of the election, I simply said he should have waited," Brown said. "The storm was still forming, people were debating whether it was going to be as bad as expected, or not, and I noted that the president should have let the governors and mayors deal with the storm until it got closer to hitting the coastal areas along the Washington, D.C.-New York City corridor."

Derp.

429 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:17:16pm

What an idiot. You don't wait for an approaching storm like this.

430 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:17:21pm

Joe Isuzu Romney ad...for those who remember Joe Isuzu, it's kind of cute.
Felu mele iki bobo.

Youtube Video
431 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:17:34pm

ROFLMAO

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432 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:19:41pm

re: #428 Gus

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Derp.

He's giving Obama shit for pushing for preparation for a major storm instead of waiting until it's right on top of the country to make a move?

Seriously?

433 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:20:09pm

re: #432 Targetpractice

He's giving Obama shit for pushing for preparation for a major storm instead of waiting until it's right on top of the country to make a move?

Seriously?

Yep.

434 erik_t  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:20:16pm

re: #428 Gus

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Derp.

Thus demonstrating a complete lack of anything that could be described as 'learning'.

Fucking imbecile.

435 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:20:39pm
436 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:20:53pm

re: #434 erik_t

Thus demonstrating a complete lack of anything that could be described as 'learning'.

Fucking imbecile.

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437 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:20:53pm

re: #433 Gus

Yep.

That's weapons grade derp there. Heck of a job, Brownie.

438 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:21:13pm

re: #428 Gus

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Derp.

I feel confident saying that our elected officials saved lives these past few days. It sounds like Brownie would have gotten people killed.

439 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:21:50pm

re: #438 Mocking Jay

I feel confident saying that our elected officials saved lives these past few days. It sounds like Brownie would have gotten people killed.

And then told folks "You can't prepare for this sort of thing..." or such BS.

440 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:22:10pm

re: #432 Targetpractice

He's giving Obama shit for pushing for preparation for a major storm instead of waiting until it's right on top of the country to make a move?

Seriously?

No, he's giving Obama shit for pushing for preparation for a major storm instead of waiting five days after it passes to make a move.

441 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:22:17pm

re: #439 Targetpractice

And then told folks "You can't prepare for this sort of thing..." or such BS.

IT WAS GOD'S WILL!

442 Canucknghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:22:20pm

re: #436 Gus

Image: michael_brown.jpg

Any question on why he was replaced?

443 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:23:07pm

re: #440 darthstar

No, he's giving Obama shit for pushing for preparation for a major storm instead of waiting five days after it passes to make a move.

Takes time to determine if it was a LEGITIMATE hurricane.

444 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:24:15pm

re: #443 Gus

Takes time to determine if it was a LEGITIMATE hurricane.

State's have a way of shutting down vital services naturally in a legitimate disaster.

445 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:24:47pm

re: #443 Gus

Takes time to determine if it was a LEGITIMATE hurricane.

Houses don't wash away unless it's a forcible hurricane.

446 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:24:53pm

re: #444 Kragar

State's have a way of shutting down vital services naturally in a legitimate disaster.

Let them eat cake canned creamed corn!

447 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:25:26pm

re: #246 Varek Raith

Seriously!
Don't they realize gay people have supernatural control of the universe?

Almost god like?

448 blueraven  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:25:48pm

Anti-Obama texts traced to conservative activist

The spate of unsolicited anti-Obama text messages that have hit hundreds of cellphones in recent days appears to be the work of conservative activist Jason Flanary and his Virginia-based communications firm, ccAdvertising.

The anonymous texts were sent from email addresses rather than other phones — a loophole in spamming and autodialing laws that the FCC is considering closing.

Neither Flanary, a failed 2011 candidate for Virginia’s state Senate, nor anyone at ccAdvertising immediately returned telephone calls seeking comment on Wednesday. The firm’s website lists clients including Grover Norquist’s powerhouse advocacy group Americans for Tax Reform, as well as Sen. Roy Blunt (R-Mo.) and Rep. Kay Granger, (R-Texas). CcAdvertising has also worked with McDonald’s and Burger King, according to the client list.

They included “Obama stole $716 Billion in Medicare. We cant [sic] trust Obama to protect our seniors,” “VP Biden mocks a fallen Navy Seal during memorial. Our military deserves better,” and “Obama believes killing children is a right until the umbilical cord is cut.”

Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]

449 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:25:50pm

RNC spokesperson can’t name FEMA problems under Obama

Republican National Committee spokesperson Sean Spicer stumbled over his words briefly Wednesday morning when MSNBC host Chris Jansing asked him to name federal disaster relief screw-ups under President Barack Obama.

“I don’t, uh, not that I …” Spicer began to say, before saying an earlier Jansing & Co. guest, USA Today Washington bureau chief Susan Page, brought up “several instances” where the Federal Emergency Management Agency had gotten in the way of relief efforts “in the past,” without naming any specific instances during the Obama administration.

Earlier in the show, Page said FEMA had been “controversial” in past instances when there were “glitches” in its service, giving the botched response to Hurricane Katrina in 2005, during Republican George W. Bush’s presidency.

450 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:27:10pm

[Link: thegrio.files.wordpress.com...]

451 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:28:16pm

This is the same Brown who, when called to answer why the state of emergency issued by Bush didn't include any LA parishes, when it did for MS and AL, he tried to toss the blame to the Dem governor (Blanco), only for her to reveal to the country that he was lying his ass off by providing a copy of the letter asking specifically for parishes that got blasted by Katrina to be covered.

So to see an administration take a major storm seriously instead of playing catch-up and then trying to blame members of the opposing party for your screw-ups must be absolutely mystifying to the man.

452 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:29:10pm

FROM: Michael D Brown
August 29, 2005 - 7:52AM
TO: Cindy Taylor
RE: I know its early but ....

I got it at Norddroms. Email McBride and make sure she knows! Are you proud of me? Can I quit now? Can I go home?

FROM: Michael D Brown
August 29, 2005 - 8:51AM
TO: Cindy Taylor
RE: New Orleans Update

If you look at my FEMA attire you'll really vomit. I ama fashion god.

FROM: Michael D Brown
September 2, 2005 - 8:37AM
TO: Betty Guhman
RE: Still a Star !

Last hurrah was supposed to be Labor Day. I'm trapped now, please rescue me.

453 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:30:27pm

Exploding Head Alert

after leading obama in the real clear politics national poll average for the past ten days and most of the past three weeks, romney today is tied with obama once again, therefore freeing wingnuts from the obligation of believing in polls until such time as romney might be leading again

454 alpuz  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:30:54pm

re: #448 blueraven

First comment from the article:

This is Politico's idea of a scandal .
As far as Politico is concerned, Benghazi never happened,

That has been the response from the RWNJ on anything and everything that shines a light on the crap the GoP has been pulling.

455 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:31:22pm

re: #453 engineer cat

Exploding Head Alert

after leading obama in the real clear politics national poll average for the past ten days and most of the past three weeks, romney today is tied with obama once again, therefore freeing wingnuts from the obligation of believing in polls until such time as romney might be leading again

Romney gaining/leading polls: "He's got momentum!"
Obama ties/leads in polls: *crickets*

456 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:32:59pm

Another mind-boggling thing about this disaster is the lack of government screw-ups. I hear the mayor of AC made a bad call thinking the shelters were safe or something like that, but we can be pretty sure there weren't any major mistakes because the wingnut welfare recipients would be talking about them non-stop.

457 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:33:15pm

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Sergio Romo was born in California, for those who don't know. Love this guy...very nice, and has a killer slider.

458 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:33:16pm
459 engineer cat  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:33:24pm

re: #328 Kragar

4-year-old weeps for ‘Bronco Bamma and Mitt Romney’ election to end

in britain he's known as 'Barricoe Bomber'

460 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:33:52pm

re: #458 JamesWI

This settles it. Obama clearly controlled the weather to make himself look Presidential and make Romney look like a buffoon.

461 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:34:27pm

re: #456 Mocking Jay

Another mind-boggling thing about this disaster is the lack of government screw-ups. I hear the mayor of AC made a bad call thinking the shelters were safe or something like that, but we can be pretty sure there weren't any major mistakes because the wingnut welfare recipients would be talking about them non-stop.

Hence their continued demands for the media to turn attention back to Benghazi, which they think is the scandal that will bring down Obama. You know, like Fast & Furious did...oh wait...

462 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:34:30pm

re: #458 JamesWI

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Why do people hate canned goods?

463 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:37:02pm

Speaking of F&F, I notice that after his little one-day grandstanding bit, Issa's gone silent again. Surprised the wingnuts haven't been giving him shit about that.

464 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:37:24pm

Wow.

465 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:38:10pm

re: #462 Mocking Jay

Why do people hate canned goods?

HE HATES THESE CANS!!!

466 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:38:54pm

re: #465 Kragar

HE HATES THESE CANS!!!

STAY AWAY FROM THE CANS!!!

467 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:38:59pm

The Tea Party gets a news site

Tea Party conservatives are getting their very own news site.

The Tea Party News Network, self-described as "the only trusted news source and the antidote to mainstream media bias," is already live but will announce its launch tomorrow morning, with plans to start live video on election day. TPNN claims to have a "war room of 40-plus volunteers" who will operate out of the Venetian Resort in Las Vegas, and has established partnerships with the Talk Radio Network and radio host Rusty Humphries, who will be co-anchoring the election night coverage.

468 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:39:30pm

re: #466 Targetpractice

STAY AWAY FROM THE CANS!!!

MORE CANS!!!

469 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:39:40pm

Oh hey, the Metro North Harlem Line is back up. That's pretty amazing actually.

[Link: www.mta.info...]

470 Canucknghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:39:58pm

re: #468 Kragar

MORE CANS!!!

Are you guys still doing the can-can?

471 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:40:08pm

re: #467 Kragar

The Tea Party gets a news site

Air Wingnut.

472 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:41:20pm

re: #470 b_sharp

Are you guys still doing the can-can?

Youtube Video
473 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:41:57pm

Just when I think my day isn't complete, Buzzfeed decides to make me feel like an old codger:

40 Things That Will Make You Feel Old

474 Canucknghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:42:41pm

re: #472 Kragar

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Yah, thanks for that. My very own "Http/1.1 Service Unavailable"

475 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:43:26pm

re: #383 darthstar

But no opener.

I know you were just goofing on that. But one thing I have noticed over the last year or more is that many soup and other canned goods are coming with those "key" pull off lids. No can opener required. I find that convenient.

476 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:43:38pm

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Ortley Beach in an aerial view of devastation along the barrier islands of Ocean County after Hurricane Sandy wreaked havoc on the Jersey Shore. 10/31/12 (Andrew Mills/The Star-Ledger)

477 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:45:26pm

Oh Kragar, don't know if you've checked out Steam today, but they've got a Halloween sale going on. Managed to pick up the Ultimate edition of New Vegas for the computer for $15. Might grab Dead Rising 2 for $8 before the night's over.

478 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:46:53pm

re: #477 Targetpractice

Oh Kragar, don't know if you've checked out Steam today, but they've got a Halloween sale going on. Managed to pick up the Ultimate edition of New Vegas for the computer for $15. Might grab Dead Rising 2 for $8 before the night's over.

I was looking around at some of the titles last night, but decided just to go ahead and pick up Dishonored instead.

479 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:47:36pm

re: #467 Kragar

The Tea Party gets a news site

HaHa they just dissed Fox! Only trusted news source?!?
TP News-For everyone who thinks Fox is too centrist.
OMG my gut is gonna split from laughing so hard.

480 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:47:38pm

Cory Booker is the man:

Barring any unforeseen scandals, this man's gotta be President some day, right?

481 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:47:52pm

re: #475 Eventual Carrion

I know you were just goofing on that. But one thing I have noticed over the last year or more is that many soup and other canned goods are coming with those "key" pull off lids. No can opener required. I find that convenient.

I have a hand-crank opener that uncrimps the can. No sharp edges. I love it. Allows me to split a can of dog food over two feedings (the boys get 1/4 can each mixed into their dry food to spike it) as I can simply put the top of the can back on.

482 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:48:40pm

re: #480 JamesWI

Cory Booker is the man:

[Embedded content]

Barring any unforeseen scandals, this man's gotta be President some day, right?

Right before the hurricane hit Cory Booker was last seen entering a telephone booth ripping his shirt off.

483 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:49:12pm

re: #478 Kragar

I was looking around at some of the titles last night, but decided just to go ahead and pick up Dishonored instead.

Let me know how that turns out. Yahtzee's review of it wasn't overly inspiring, so I'm still a bit iffy.

484 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:50:05pm

re: #480 JamesWI

Cory Booker is the man:

[Embedded content]

Barring any unforeseen scandals, this man's gotta be President some day, right?

First he has to beat Christie for Governor. Then he can implement recovery act funds Christie refused. That'll make him super-popular. After that, he can run for President - in 2020 - against Todd Palin (unless the Republicans can find someone more qualified and less crazy in their ranks).

485 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:51:08pm

Candidate says "rape thing" not cause for abortion

Oh yeah. He's a Republican.

486 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:51:29pm

PEC struggling back online after this morning's outage.

The "Meta-margin" shows that state polls would have to swing toward Mitt Romney by 2.6% to tie the race. This Meta-Margin differs by about 3.0% from national polls. I regard this as the big current mystery. While we bring PEC back online, I am doing analysis to understand the difference. Swing-state polls were dead-on in 2004 and 2008, suggesting either national-poll methods or non-swing state opinion as the culprits.

The possibilities are either systemic problems with national polling that lead to a heavy Republican lean or epic level white hatred of Obama in large population red states like Georgia and Texas that aren't nearly so present in swing states. Both explanations are possible, both Gallup and Rasmussen's likely voter models and methods have been dissected to find major flaws but that doesn't explain most of the difference. There's been discussion about the cell phone gap and non-spanish language polling skewing numbers, but those should hit swing state and national polls equally. Something, seems to be causing such a significant divergence.

487 allegro  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:51:57pm

re: #482 Gus

Right before the hurricane hit Cory Booker was last seen entering a telephone booth ripping his shirt off.

I would watch. He's a cutie.

488 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:52:00pm

re: #480 JamesWI

Cory Booker is the man:

[Embedded content]

Barring any unforeseen scandals, this man's gotta be President some day, right?

President or first candidate for Super Soldier...

489 erik_t  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:52:13pm

re: #485 Gus

Candidate says "rape thing" not cause for abortion

Koster twice uses the phrase "the rape thing" in the recording, saying it doesn't make the situation better by "putting more violence into a woman's body."

For Christ's sakes.

490 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:52:16pm

re: #483 Targetpractice

Let me know how that turns out. Yahtzee's review of it wasn't overly inspiring, so I'm still a bit iffy.

Had the usual awkwardness getting used to the controls "Wait, how do I block again? Which button is stealth?" but its been pretty good so far. You can go lethal or nonlethal in your attacks and it affects the story progression apparently. I just got into the first real story area last night.

491 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:53:19pm

I feel sorry for zombies who attack Fox News.

Image: tornoe-20121031-zombies.jpg

492 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:53:24pm

re: #489 erik_t

For Christ's sakes.

Image: 01.06-John-Koster.jpg

Patriot!

493 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:53:57pm

re: #490 Kragar

Had the usual awkwardness getting used to the controls "Wait, how do I block again? Which button is stealth?" but its been pretty good so far. You can go lethal or nonlethal in your attacks and it affects the story progression apparently. I just got into the first real story area last night.

I'll put it on my list of games to check out after the video card upgrade. Right now, I'm in the middle of marveling at how much difference playing on a PC makes to New Vegas. Just walking around the cemetery in Goodsprings left me creeped out, so I don't want to imagine what the Sierra Madre's gonna be like.

494 Kung Fughazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:54:02pm

re: #467 Kragar

The Tea Party gets a news site

From the article:

"TPNN is not going to be just any other conservative backwater on the Internet," said Keith Urbahn, who heads the PR firm promoting the site and recently served as chief of staff to former Sec. of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

Saying a Tea Party site isn't a conservative Internet backwater is like saying water isn't wet.

This is just too fucking funny. Because Fox News, Fox Nation, Free Republic, and Breitbart.com aren't batshit crazy enough.

495 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:54:10pm

About that "hurricane thing."

496 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:54:31pm
497 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:55:04pm

re: #493 Targetpractice

I'll put it on my list of games to check out after the video card upgrade. Right now, I'm in the middle of marveling at how much difference playing on a PC makes to New Vegas. Just walking around the cemetery in Goodsprings left me creeped out, so I don't want to imagine what the Sierra Madre's gonna be like.

The Sierra Madre creeped me out the first time I ran thru it.

498 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:55:29pm

re: #486 goddamnedfrank

PEC struggling back online after this morning's outage.

The possibilities are either systemic problems with national polling that lead to a heavy Republican lean or epic level white hatred of Obama in large population red states like Georgia and Texas that aren't nearly so present in swing states. Both explanations are possible, both Gallup and Rasmussen's likely voter models and methods have been dissected to find major flaws but that doesn't explain most of the difference. There's been discussion about the cell phone gap and non-spanish language polling skewing numbers, but those should hit swing state and national polls equally. Something, seems to be causing such a significant divergence.

Nate Silver tackled this somewhat today with his blog post, noting that for Obama to lose the PV, based upon what the polls show in the swing states, you'd have to account for it by showing him being seriously down in the "solid" states. And none of the few polls that have been run in those states can account for the discrepancy.

499 Kung Fughazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:56:28pm

re: #473 Targetpractice

Just when I think my day isn't complete, Buzzfeed decides to make me feel like an old codger:

40 Things That Will Make You Feel Old

LOL, the Ren and Stimpy one kicks my ass the most. Ugh...

500 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:56:45pm

re: #497 Kragar

The Sierra Madre creeped me out the first time I ran thru it.

No shit. I was playing on XBox 360 and I still got creeped out whenever I could hear wheezing in the distance. I don't want to imagine what it's gonna be like with headphones on.

501 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:57:52pm

re: #473 Targetpractice

Just when I think my day isn't complete, Buzzfeed decides to make me feel like an old codger:

40 Things That Will Make You Feel Old

I'm so old most of that stuff is "after" my time.

502 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:58:02pm

re: #500 Targetpractice

No shit. I was playing on XBox 360 and I still got creeped out whenever I could hear wheezing in the distance. I don't want to imagine what it's gonna be like with headphones on.

"What's that rattling sou -FUCK! BACK UP! BACK UP!"

503 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 2:58:51pm

Calling Mitt a flip-flopper is new?

504 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:01:46pm

re: #503 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Calling Mitt a flip-flopper is new?

505 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:03:03pm

re: #502 Kragar

"What's that rattling sou -FUCK! BACK UP! BACK UP!"

"Just stay still...don't move...FUCK, I MISSED!"

506 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:03:17pm

LOL.....flipped over to Fox News for a second, one of their babes was holding up a copy of the new Playboy, talking about how there's a good article on politics in there.

Guy sitting next to her, who looks like a perfect representation of the Republican base (in his late 50s-60s, white, southern accent, weighs at least 300 lbs) asks her..."Is your picture in there?"

Like I said. Perfect representation of the Republican base.

(The woman's smile instantly disappeared and she said coldly "No, my picture is not in there. It's an article.")

507 Lidanghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:03:27pm

re: #503 Kragar

Hey Dick -- How's that RNC-inspired Romney lead working out for ya?

508 erik_t  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:03:46pm

What if Dick Morris said that Jim Hoft was not the dumbest man on the internet?

509 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:04:29pm

re: #508 erik_t

What if Dick Morris said that Jim Hoft was not the dumbest man on the internet?

Probably signal the sign of the apocalypse.

510 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:04:31pm

re: #505 Targetpractice

"Just stay still...don't move...FUCK, I MISSED!"

I still love when you line up a shot in VATS, you have a 95% chance to hit, fire off a burst, and unload your weapon into the cover you were crouching behind.

511 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:05:03pm

re: #508 erik_t

What if Dick Morris said that Jim Hoft was not the dumbest man on the internet?

Divide by zero overflow error.

512 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:05:20pm

re: #510 Kragar

I still love when you line up a shot in VATS, you have a 95% chance to hit, fire off a burst, and unload your weapon into the cover you were crouching behind.

"That's right, run into the open, I've got ya...WHY ARE YOU SHOOTING THE WALL?!"

513 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:05:45pm

re: #508 erik_t

What if Dick Morris said that Jim Hoft was not the dumbest man on the internet?

I think that's a parodox similar to "Everything I tell you is a lie."

EDIT: In retrospect, forget I said anything. If Morris says it, it's not true, so Jim Hoft IS the dumbest man on the internet.

514 blueraven  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:05:53pm

Good day of polling for the D's

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

And this doesn't include a couple of the @ppppolls

Iowa 50/45 Obama
Wisconsin 51/46 Obama

515 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:05:59pm

re: #511 Kragar

Divide by zero overflow error.

Image: BSOD_Main.png

516 erik_t  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:08:07pm

re: #513 GeneJockey

I think that's a parodox similar to "Everything I tell you is a lie."

EDIT: In retrospect, forget I said anything. If Morris says it, it's not true, so Jim Hoft IS the dumbest man on the internet.

The mere proximity of Dick Morris' name resulted in me screwing up my negatives.

517 funky chicken  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:08:26pm

re: #23 jaunte

Why does Romney hate Italians?

They certainly hate him. Something about a tax scam.

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

518 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:08:29pm

We're holding to traditional Trick or Treat night this year. Losing the sun now.

519 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:08:35pm

re: #514 blueraven

Good day of polling for the D's

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

And this doesn't include a couple of the @ppppolls

Iowa 50/45 Obama
Wisconsin 51/46 Obama

But...but...Mittmentum!

///

520 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:08:43pm

re: #512 Targetpractice

"That's right, run into the open, I've got ya...WHY ARE YOU SHOOTING THE WALL?!"

I still think Fallout 3's Point Lookout DLC remains the creepiest content that they've put out for the series.

521 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:09:45pm

Butthurt Level V: #TCOT

522 Targetpractice  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:11:04pm

re: #520 Kragar

I still think Fallout 3's Point Lookout DLC remains the creepiest content that they've put out for the series.

Oh God, save me from the mutant hillbillies.

523 blueraven  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:11:37pm

re: #503 Kragar

[Embedded content]

Calling Mitt a flip-flopper is new?

Oh brother. What will his excuse be next week? Probably something about Sandy being the October surprise, and will blame it all on Christy.

524 Neutral President  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:11:47pm

re: #510 Kragar

I still love when you line up a shot in VATS, you have a 95% chance to hit, fire off a burst, and unload your weapon into the cover you were crouching behind.

No matter how much I love Fallout, I have to call bullshit on one thing from personal experience. The NCR Veteran Rangers would die of dehydration or heat stroke in about an hour or two wearing all that shit out there.

I wore it (what's in my avatar pic) in the middle of the Mojave desert in a costume contest for about an hour and half and I could wring the sweat out of my clothes and fill up a bucket after.

My Pipboy fell apart immediately after the contest as well...

525 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:12:01pm
526 sagehen  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:12:15pm

re: #307 Targetpractice

You're still a step ahead of me. I'm not sure the pumpkins we picked up a couple weeks ago are gonna get carved. We had to bring in all the decorations on Saturday to avoid losing them to Sandy, now nobody has the motivation to put them back out there in the couple hours of dim daylight left, there's no candy been bought, and the pumpkins remain uncarved.

Think this might be the first Halloween in forever where we don't pass out candy.

Good news!

Chris Christie has signed an executive order declaring New Jersey Halloween to be on November 5 this year...

Scribd Document
527 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:13:44pm

re: #499 Mattand

LOL, the Ren and Stimpy one kicks my ass the most. Ugh...

Have two copies of the #1 issue of the Ren and Stimpy Show comic, complete with unopened scratch and sniff cards. Now worth an astounding $13.60 without the Scratch and Sniff card.

I really need to do a "Charles" and find out what my collection is actually worth.

528 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:15:17pm

re: #522 Targetpractice

Oh God, save me from the mutant hillbillies.

Don't go into room 1k. Don't go into room 1k.

529 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:15:37pm

re: #521 Gus

Butthurt Level V: #TCOT

If you really want to laugh, search Twitter for "Chris Christie" and watch all the Republicans crying because he's doing his job and not worrying about how it affects Mitt Romney.

And, the best one I've seen:

530 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:17:18pm

re: #529 JamesWI

If you really want to laugh, search Twitter for "Chris Christie" and watch all the Republicans crying because he's doing his job and not worrying about how it affects Mitt Romney.

[Embedded content]

Make that Butthurt Level: Massive.

531 Kragarghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:18:36pm

re: #530 Gus

Make that Butthurt Level: Massive.

Throbbing.

532 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:18:37pm
533 GeneJockey  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:20:17pm

re: #532 JamesWI

[Embedded content]

So, it's a dead heat, then, right?

534 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:20:27pm

re: #529 JamesWI

If you really want to laugh, search Twitter for "Chris Christie" and watch all the Republicans crying because he's doing his job and not worrying about how it affects Mitt Romney.

[Embedded content]

They need an excuse. Certainly it can't be because they fielded a shitty candidate. Anything to protect them from learning from this experience is fine with me.

535 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:21:06pm

re: #532 JamesWI

[Embedded content]

Wow...Obama's up 31 in Ohio!

536 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:21:07pm
537 danarchy  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:21:33pm

re: #506 JamesWI

LOL.....flipped over to Fox News for a second, one of their babes was holding up a copy of the new Playboy, talking about how there's a good article on politics in there.

Guy sitting next to her, who looks like a perfect representation of the Republican base (in his late 50s-60s, white, southern accent, weighs at least 300 lbs) asks her..."Is your picture in there?"

Like I said. Perfect representation of the Republican base.

(The woman's smile instantly disappeared and she said coldly "No, my picture is not in there. It's an article.")

Umm, that was Bob Beckel who is the token liberal on the show...

538 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:21:43pm

I'm so old that I remember when Republicans used to at least pretend to care about other humans.

539 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:26:45pm

re: #537 danarchy

Umm, that was Bob Beckel who is the token liberal on the show...

I think "liberal" needs to be in quotation marks for most of their token liberals. Especially one who says he holds back on criticism of Sarah Palin because she's a co-worker.

540 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:26:54pm

Can't wait to get home and download Painkiller: Hellfire And Damnation.

541 Digital Display  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:27:21pm

re: #506 JamesWI

LOL.....flipped over to Fox News for a second, one of their babes was holding up a copy of the new Playboy, talking about how there's a good article on politics in there.

Guy sitting next to her, who looks like a perfect representation of the Republican base (in his late 50s-60s, white, southern accent, weighs at least 300 lbs) asks her..."Is your picture in there?"

Like I said. Perfect representation of the Republican base.

(The woman's smile instantly disappeared and she said coldly "No, my picture is not in there. It's an article.")

Oh Lordy..That 50's guy next to her is Bob Beckel. He doesn't rep the GOP.
He has been Dem presidential Campaign manager for like 30 years.

542 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:28:58pm

Mitt Romney's home state #2 gives him a big ole 'fuck off'...

543 Lidanghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:29:03pm

re: #533 GeneJockey

So, it's a dead heat, then, right?

Nope. Romney's winning by 25 points.

/CNN

544 Lidanghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:30:15pm

re: #536 Gus

ZOMG! RINO! He should be slamming Obummer in the lamestream media!

///

545 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:30:34pm

re: #532 JamesWI

See, I think he did and Portman declined. I find it almost impossible to believe that Ryan was Romney's first choice.

546 Alouenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:31:15pm

Trump is still at it. WTF. What is wrong with this moron?

547 JamesWI  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:33:41pm

re: #545 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

See, I think he did and Portman declined. I find it almost impossible to believe that Ryan was Romney's first choice.

Personally, I think Rubio would have been the best. Lots of stupid people would see him on the ticket and say "See, the Republicans must not really be bigots!" And any cut into Obama's advantage with Latinos would be deadly.

548 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:34:06pm

re: #546 Sheila Broflovski

Trump is still at it. WTF. What is wrong with this moron?

[Embedded content]

He's a four year old: Look at me! Look at me!

549 Neutral President  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:34:49pm

re: #545 goddamnedfrank

[Embedded content]

See, I think he did and Portman declined. I find it almost impossible to believe that Ryan was Romney's first choice.

Wingnuts love Ryan though and if he wanted to shutdown kook dissent, that was a way to do it.

550 darthstar  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:34:58pm
551 aagcobb  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:36:30pm

re: #547 JamesWI

Personally, I think Rubio would have been the best. Lots of stupid people would see him on the ticket and say "See, the Republicans must not really be bigots!" And any cut into Obama's advantage with Latinos would be deadly.

That's part of the reason I think Romney/Ryan will be the last major party ticket with two white men.

552 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:37:08pm
553 Gus  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:37:33pm

Yeah but drones!

554 Lidanghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:37:53pm

re: #546 Sheila Broflovski

Trump is still at it. WTF. What is wrong with this moron?

He's still pissed about Obama humiliating him at the WHCD and pouring salt in the wound by ordering the raid on OBL.

555 Alouenghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:39:15pm

Even this wingnut is disgusted with Trump:

556 ghazidor  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:44:12pm

Well this is a first, I'm writing a page where I'm worried about running out of characters before I finish. Besides at this length I have to wonder if anyone will stay interested long enough to read the whole thing anyway, lol.

Time will tell I guess...

557 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 3:52:05pm

re: #547 JamesWI

Personally, I think Rubio would have been the best. Lots of stupid people would see him on the ticket and say "See, the Republicans must not really be bigots!" And any cut into Obama's advantage with Latinos would be deadly.

The GOP base would have been apoplectic. Choosing Rubio would have been viewed, rightly, as Romney taking a great big steaming shit on the Birthers and their entire line of "reasoning." Choosing Rubio might also maker it harder to pivot on immigration, because that would piss off the base even more. Also, I think it's a mistake to think that a conservative Cuban American from Florida would have that much caché with voters of Mexican / South American descent, especially if he's just viewed as a token, hamstrung by revanchist white sentiment.

The final argument against Rubio is that Romney is fucked if he can't win't Florida on his own and Ohio is actually the keystone for all his paths to victory. Rubio would make Florida a sure thing but might not help him in Ohio at all. Portman would help him in Ohio and would definitely appeal more to Florida seniors than Ryan.

558 Decatur Deb  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 4:08:58pm

First T-or-Ts.

559 funky chicken  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 4:22:23pm

re: #467 Kragar

The Tea Party gets a news site

OMG. I'd bet my father will be there. He lives in Vegas and has gotten into the Tea Party nonsense big time.

560 Sophist is theVillage Green Preservation Society  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 4:23:16pm

re:

561 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 5:07:42pm

re: #530 Gus

Make that Butthurt Level: Massive.

re: #531 Kragar

Throbbing.

Youtube Video
562 lawhawk  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 5:07:47pm

re: #532 JamesWI

So, that's a dead heat and Silver's gone and ginned the numbers in his model... /

563 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 5:14:13pm

re: #541 Digital Display

Oh Lordy..That 50's guy next to her is Bob Beckel. He doesn't rep the GOP.
He has been Dem presidential Campaign manager for like 30 years.

Sorry, Hoops, but Beckel is as representative of today's Democratic Party as Colin Powell and myself are of today's GOP...which is to say not much.

Beckel was Mondale's campaign manager in '84; that I think says all that needs to be said about him.

564 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:15:30pm

Donald had no intention of ever giving the $5M away because he knew there was zero chance anyone would produce the transcripts. SO he is not going to be backed into a corner and pressured to donate $5M for disaster relief now.

565 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:42:43pm

re: #238 The Ghost of a Flea

How does that even make sense? I don't recall anything in Genesis about same-sex marriage provoking God into sending the Flood. It was more a general "my children are screwing up again, so it's time to wipe them out and start over." Maybe there are some traditions that didn't make it into Genesis that the rabbi knows, and I don't.

And since when was Lower Manhattan a hotbed of homosexuality? What exactly is going on on the NYSE trading floor?

566 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Oct 31, 2012 7:46:13pm

re: #270 sattv4u2

Not really

I asked for dinner, drinks, a card,,,, flowers

The joke got old several comments before this one.


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