Video: Mitt Romney Loses His Cool in an Interview About the Mormon Position on Abortion

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Here’s a very revealing video of Mitt Romney totally losing his cool in a radio interview at Iowa’s WHO 1040, when asked to comment on his Mormon faith’s position on abortion and women’s rights. Note that the interviewer, Jan Mickelson, actually seems to be on Romney’s side, but Romney rants at him as if he were an enemy.

UPDATE at 11/1/12 1:42:43 pm

Correction: this video was not recorded recently, but in August of 2007. This doesn’t change its relevance though; the Mormon position on abortion, the subject that got Romney all worked up, is just as much of a sore point today.

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1 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:49:16pm

Sorry to go off topic, but is CL okay?

2 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:49:23pm

To Mitt, everyone is the enemy

3 909Ghazis  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:50:38pm

re: #2 Kragar

To Mitt the GOP, everyone is the enemy

FTFY

4 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:50:38pm

Romney is referring to works by Cleon Skousen--JBS enthusiast and anti-federal paranoid, who also inspired Glen Beck.

I don't know what his standing was as a theologian, but his politics skeeve me.

5 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:50:40pm

Quoting Skousen with favor I see. No wonder why Glenn Beck's come around on him.

6 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:51:42pm
Video: Mitt Romney Loses His Coolant in an Interview About the Mormon Position on Abortion

Fixed.

7 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:54:17pm

re: #4 The Ghost of a Flea

I have a hunch about this. Is/was Skousen Mormon?

8 alpuz  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:54:26pm
9 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:54:46pm

re: #7 ProGunLiberal

I have a hunch about this. Is/was Skousen Mormon?

Yes. Try Wikipedia.

10 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:54:55pm
11 Achilles Tang  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:55:19pm

I think it is scary to have a president who believes such rubbish. Could he be tempted to think that a catastrophe in Israel, say a nuclear attack, is the sign of the second coming and all other issues become irrelevant?

12 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:55:26pm

Scary. This man could become our next president.

13 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:56:45pm

re: #12 Gus

Scary. This man could become our next president.

Especially if GOP filth like this keeps up:

The people who did that SHOULD BE IN JAIL.

14 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:57:04pm

re: #8 alpuz

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Has Trump responded to Colbert's offer yet?

15 JamesWI  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:57:06pm

Damn, this almost makes me wish I was back at my law school...... Just got an email today talking about a special "class" they're holding in a few weeks:

In our Great Cases course this fall, we have already discussed the Supreme Court case, *U S v Nixon, *and on Tuesday, November 13 we will hear from major participants in the Watergate events. John Dean, Counsel to President Nixon, will participate in the class, together with Watergate Prosecutor Jill Wine-Banks and Vice President Walter Mondale.

16 alpuz  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:58:35pm

re: #14 Kragar

Not that I know of.

17 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:58:48pm

re: #13 Interesting Times

Especially if GOP filth like this keeps up:

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The people who did that SHOULD BE IN JAIL.

Agh and yet you never hear so much of a whimper from those who are "concerned" about voter fraud when shit like this leaks.

18 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:59:01pm

Again we find Mitt Romney contradicting his position on abortion which he made just a couple of weeks ago.

19 Mattand  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:59:17pm

re: #1 ProGunLiberal

Sorry to go off topic, but is CL okay?

Hope so. Based on some comments on Monday, he/she lives somewhere down the shore.

20 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 12:59:37pm

re: #9 wrenchwench

Sorry, commenting in another page.

I thought so. Tiny little web here, isn't there?

21 Mattand  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:00:32pm

Regarding the radio interview: Mitt doesn't like to be challenged much, does he?

22 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:00:32pm

re: #16 alpuz

Not that I know of.

Why does Trump hate charities?

23 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:00:41pm

If you haven't watched the video yet, you really should. It's kind of a jaw-dropper.

24 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:02:18pm

re: #21 Mattand

Regarding the radio interview: Mitt doesn't like to be challenged much, does he?

That's my observation of him not just in this interview but in general. You try telling Mitt Romney he's mistaken in what he's saying and he goes ballistic. Anyhow, that's why I can't wait for the tell all book where we get some insight from some disillusioned campaign staffer who will tell us about how he was when the cameras were off. Definitely look forward to hearing about his reaction to the 47% video being leaked.

25 erik_t  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:02:29pm

re: #18 Gus

Again we find Mitt Romney contradicting his position on abortion which he made just a couple of weeks ago.

Quelle surprise. Let me fetch my bath salts.

Er, I don't think I did that right.

26 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:02:32pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

If you haven't watched the video yet, you really should. It's kind of a jaw-dropper.

Was I hearing things or did he also rattle off some end-times craziness about all the Jews being killed?

27 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:02:50pm

Fox Business reporter: ‘Mars wobbles’ could be causing climate change

Fox Business host Stuart Varney, who is known for featuring segments to deny the existence of global warming, on Wednesday lashed out at Democrats like New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo and Rep. Henry Waxman for “already blaming it on climate change.”

“Oxford University, places like the St. Petersburg Atmospheric Observatory, they all say there’s climate change,” stocks editor Elizabeth MacDonald told Varney. “But the problem is, is that there’s no consensus on what’s causing it.”

“Is it solar flares? Is it the Mars wobbles? Is it the Earth’s axis tilting in a different way?” she suggested, ignoring that most climate scientists point to man-made causes like fossil fuels.

Varney, however, doubted there was even a pattern of “more extreme weather events,” pointing out that there were also powerful hurricanes in the 1950s.

Get off my planet.

28 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:03:08pm

re: #26 Gus

Was I hearing things or did he also rattle off some end-times craziness about all the Jews being killed?

Yeah...
WTF was that?

29 909Ghazis  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:03:20pm

Mitt just slings shit out there and the faithful lap it up. So if you are voting for Mitt Romney, which one is your favorite?

30 erik_t  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:03:28pm

re: #26 Gus

Was I hearing things or did he also rattle off some end-times craziness about all the Jews being killed?

Jews don't care, now that Norm Coleman has reassured them that he personally is maybe kind of okay with RvW but don't assume that's necessarily true about Romney.

/

31 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:03:53pm

Mitt seems pissed off just for having to sit there and talk.

32 erik_t  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:04:20pm

re: #27 Kragar

Fox Business reporter: ‘Mars wobbles’ could be causing climate change

Is it the Earth’s axis tilting in a different way?

Are... are ya serious.

33 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:04:55pm

re: #26 Gus

Was I hearing things or did he also rattle off some end-times craziness about all the Jews being killed?

34 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:05:12pm

re: #27 Kragar

Fox Business reporter: ‘Mars wobbles’ could be causing climate change

Get off my planet.

Plate tectonics; Science or Satanic?
We report, you decide.

35 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:05:30pm

re: #32 erik_t

Are... are ya serious.

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36 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:05:35pm

re: #32 erik_t

Are... are ya serious.

Totally would've detected that. Cause, you know, SCIENCE!

37 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:06:21pm

re: #33 Charles Johnson

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He is. Just like Skousen. Another End-Times nut.

38 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:07:00pm

Yeesh, that's creepy shit.

39 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:07:48pm

The guy is agreeing with him and he's hostile to him. Gosh Mitt how will you be with foreign leaders who you disagree with?

40 Varek Raith  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:08:38pm

Can we get Mike, Joel, Crow and Tom to MST3K Fox News?

41 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:08:48pm

Is there any where to get a transcript of this?

42 erik_t  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:09:49pm

Every layer of the Willard Onion reveals something a little weirder and less presidential than the last.

Can we go back to soulless waffling robot? I was vaguely comfortable with that model.

43 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:10:23pm

I never thought I'd hear a Presidential candidate treat Willard Cleon Skousen as if he was some kind of a prophet or something. Holy wizzleteats, is that freakin' weird.

44 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:10:39pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

The guy is agreeing with him and he's hostile to him. Gosh Mitt how will you be with foreign leaders who you disagree with?

Youtube Video
45 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:11:09pm

re: #28 Varek Raith

Yeah...
WTF was that?

Mormon eschatology. It has many features in common with the current "literalist" reading of The Apocalypse of Saint John in US charismatic churches. Specifically, though, Romney is referring to Cleon Skousen's take on that subject.

46 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:11:11pm

re: #42 erik_t

Every layer of the Willard Onion reveals something a little weirder and less presidential than the last.

Can we go back to soulless waffling robot? I was vaguely comfortable with that model.

I'd be more comfortable with that than a Cleon Skousen disciple.

47 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:13:02pm

re: #41 lawhawk

Is there any where to get a transcript of this?

If you click on the CC button for the video there's an option to show an English transcription. I don't think you can download it though.

48 Tigger2  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:13:06pm

re: #31 Kragar

Mitt seems pissed off just for having to sit there and talk.

He just doesn't like being questioned about anything he thinks he's above question a lot of wealthy think that way.

49 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:13:38pm

Second coming is going to happen in Jerusalem. Christ appears in Jerusalem. The second coming is in Jerusalem.

Splits the Mount of Olives to stop the war that's coming to kill all the Jews. He will reign from two places. The law will come from one place or another (Missouri and Jerusalem)?

Alrighty then.

50 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:30:56pm

Mmf. Apache crashed again - something seems to be mis-configured. Filed a ticket with Hosting Matters. We'll get this sorted.

51 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:31:25pm

Late Super PAC Ad Buy Urges African Americans In Ohio To Vote Republican Because Lincoln Freed The Slaves

"DO IT FOR LINCOLN, YOU UNGRATEFUL FREELOADERS!"

52 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:32:34pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Wondered what happened.

53 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:33:25pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

Mmf. Apache crashed again - something seems to be mis-configured. Filed a ticket with Hosting Matters. We'll get this sorted.

App crash or was it a sign of God's wrath?

We report, you decide.

54 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:33:29pm

re: #51 Kragar

Late Super PAC Ad Buy Urges African Americans In Ohio To Vote Republican Because Lincoln Freed The Slaves

"DO IT FOR LINCOLN, YOU UNGRATEFUL FREELOADERS!"

Rich considering that party is now closer to the values of Jefferson Davis than Abraham Lincoln.

55 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:35:35pm

Something I've noticed about Romney is the way he walks forward and tries to intimidate the questioner when he's being given a rebuttal or a direct question.

He did it with Candy Crowley, and he's doing it here.

56 Mattand  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:35:44pm

re: #49 lawhawk

The law will come from one place or another (Missouri and Jerusalem)?

Alrighty then.

If it's Missouri, hopefully it'll be Kansas City. I hear the BBQ is to die and come back from the dead for.

57 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:36:25pm

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58 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:37:13pm

re: #50 Charles Johnson

I was going to mention a hamster hiccup.

59 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:37:57pm

Fred Clark has a transcript he typed up.

He thinks Mitt is on a right-wing Christian show and trying to reconcile Mormon and Rapture-ready eschatology. Iowa WHO AM 1040 does host a Christian-themed Sunday lineup, but I can't peg what show Mitt is on. The original Youtube post doesn't include that info.

60 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:38:47pm

re: #59 The Ghost of a Flea

Fred Clark has a transcript he typed up.

He thinks Mitt is on a right-wing Christian show. Iowa WHO AM 1040 does host a Christian-themed Sunday lineup, but I can't peg what show Mitt is on. The original Youtube post doesn't include that info.

The guy he's talking to is Jan Mickelson. I think it's probably his show.

61 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:38:54pm

Romney: Seniors ‘most likely’ won’t get to see doctor if Obama wins

“I happen to believe that the choice you make [on Nov. 6] will have enormous consequence for a senior who’s perhaps needing the care of a specialist,” the Republican candidate explained. “If he or she makes a call to the doctor and if Obamacare is installed and the president’s re-elected, why when making that call, you’re mostly likely going to have the receptionist come back and say, ‘Sorry, we’re not taking in more Medicare patients.’”

After pausing for boos and moans from his supporters, Romney continued: “Because the president is cutting Medicare to pay for Obamacare.”

62 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:41:04pm

bbl

63 erik_t  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:41:07pm

re: #61 Kragar

Romney: Seniors ‘most likely’ won’t get to see doctor if Obama wins

Throwing lies at the wall to see what sticks. Why not?

64 SpaceJesus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:41:22pm

His targeting system is fried from all the static electricity generated by Sandy

65 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:41:53pm

re: #61 Kragar

Romney: Seniors ‘most likely’ won’t get to see doctor if Obama wins

Mitt lying again. What a shocker. Lying fuck.

66 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:42:37pm

Its not a conservative smear job till they start making homosexual innuendos


Limbaugh says Gov. Christie has ‘man love’ for Obama

Republican shock jock Rush Limbaugh said Wednesday that New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie’s praise of President Barack Obama has been so effusive, he might just be going gay.

“Let’s just put it this way: Is it wrong for one man to love another man?” Limbaugh asked during his Wednesday show. “That man-love out there is isolated in the state of New Jersey.”
...
He added that New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who hasn’t been so breathless in his praise of the president, “has also endorsed Romney, by the way.”

Unfortunately for Rush, Bloomberg did not endorse Romney — in fact, the Republican mayor announced his endorsement of Obama on Thursday afternoon, citing the president’s commitment to taking action to counter the worst effects of climate change. He’d previously praised Romney and told reporters he would have voted for the Republican nominee “if the 1994 or 2003 version of Mitt Romney were running for president.”

67 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:42:56pm

Correction: this video was not recorded recently, but in August of 2007. This doesn’t change its relevance though; the Mormon position on abortion, the subject that got Romney all worked up, is just as much of a sore point today.

68 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:44:16pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

Correction: this video was not recorded recently, but in August of 2007. This doesn’t change its relevance though; the Mormon position on abortion, the subject that got Romney all worked up, is just as much of a sore point today.

Is there a version of the video that shows what precedes Romney's long explanation of end-times beliefs?

69 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:45:54pm

re: #66 Kragar

Its not a conservative smear job till they start making homosexual innuendos

Limbaugh says Gov. Christie has ‘man love’ for Obama

Christie may be the rare Republican who will actually tell that homophobic fuck to fuck off. No wonder why Rush is being a hack. By the now he's praising Bloomberg? I know Bloomberg ended up endorsing Obama but Bloomberg the guy the right loves to rag on for his policies? That Bloomberg?

70 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:46:14pm
#61 Kragar

Romney: Seniors ‘most likely’ won’t get to see doctor if Obama wins

'Most likely'. Maybe. Romneybot just senses it.

71 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:46:26pm

This Mickleson guy is pretty freaky himself.

Talk Radio Host Wants to ‘Pistol Whip’ Nuns Who Care About Poor People

Says a lot that Romney goes nuclear on a guy who is more or less on his side. I think there will be more than a few Religious Right folks making note of that.

72 Iwouldprefernotto  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:47:01pm

re: #67 Charles Johnson

Correction: this video was not recorded recently, but in August of 2007. This doesn’t change its relevance though; the Mormon position on abortion, the subject that got Romney all worked up, is just as much of a sore point today.

It never ceases to amaze. Conservatives love to talk about how much they hate abortion when they are in front of a conservative audience, but when they are in front of the general public, it' not appropriate to discuss.

73 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:47:27pm

re: #71 dragonath

This Mickleson guy is pretty freaky himself.

Talk Radio Host Wants to ‘Pistol Whip’ Nuns Who Care About Poor People

Says a lot that Romney goes nuclear on a guy who is more or less on his side. I think there will be more than a few Religious Right folks making note of that.

God I thought I had remembered that name from somewhere. I think someone had a page about it at the time.

74 darthstar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:49:19pm

Easy Button

75 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:49:39pm
Its not a conservative smear job till they start making homosexual innuendos

Limbaugh says Gov. Christie has ‘man love’ for Obama

Sigh. So who's the next RWNJ super hero that will save them, now that Christie's abandoned them?

76 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:49:40pm

re: #66 Kragar

Its not a conservative smear job till they start making homosexual innuendos

Limbaugh says Gov. Christie has ‘man love’ for Obama

Hey, Rush, calling someone "gay" or insinuating that they are just doesn't have the same insult power as it used to, no thanks to "real conservatives" like yourself.

Just sayin'...

/fucking assclown

77 Coracle  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:52:12pm

I interpreted the vid a little differently on the page I posted. Romney was definitely defensive, but it he had a lot more candor than we've seen from him this campaign.

78 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:54:18pm

re: #76 MittDoesNotCompute

Hey, Rush, calling someone "gay" just doesn't have the same insult power as it used to, no thanks to "real conservatives" like yourself.

Just sayin'...

/fucking assclown

It's such a juvenile insult as is calling him fat which of course is funny since you know Rush is such a model of physical fitness himself. It's times like where we see what Limbaugh really is and that's a sad bastard who has no real arguments, just hate.

79 Bulworth  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:55:29pm

re: #71 dragonath

Jan Mickelson, an influential talk radio host on Newsradio 1040 WHO in Iowa, thinks they should be stopped. “There’s a bus full of nuns headed towards Washington to lobby against the Ryan plan,” Mickelson said during a conversation with Rep. Tom Latham on Friday. “Do you have any power to pull the nuns on the bus over and pistol whip them?”

Yet RWNJ like this claim to be afraid of PBO and too much gvt control.

80 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:57:37pm

re: #77 Coracle

Yeah, when he shows candor, he's name dropping a book by arch-racist Skousen.

My hair starts to stick up just thinking of that.

81 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:58:13pm

re: #79 Bulworth

Yet RWNJ like this claim to be afraid of PBO and too much gvt control.

They're upset because they don't have control. But really what a creepy as hell quote and I remember it being discussed here now. I think his excuse was that it was a joke. I mean damn what a psycho. Can you imagine the anger if someone had made a similar comment about Tea Partiers?

82 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:59:12pm

re: #80 dragonath

Yeah, when he shows candor, he's name dropping a book by arch-racist Skousen.

My hair starts to stick up just thinking of that.

As I said, better a waffler than a Skousen disciple. Skousen thought President Eisenhower was part of a communist conspiracy. Not to mention he was a racist and anti-Semitic kook.

83 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 1:59:13pm

re: #79 Bulworth

Yet RWNJ like this claim to be afraid of PBO and too much gvt control.

Yet many RWNJs hold leaders like Pinochet in such high regard...

84 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:01:56pm

re: #83 MittDoesNotCompute

Yet many RWNJs hold leaders like Pinochet in such high regard...

He was a capitalist therefore he was okay. Pretty much saw that logic when I brought up to some of them a few years ago. Rather scary honestly. A dictator's a dictator. Especially a tyrannical monster like Pinochet. Other point about him is I love how they bring his pension system up but then deride people on the left who point to the success of the welfare state in Scandinavia. For the record, I think that the best approach is somewhere in between the two but that always amused me.

85 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:03:37pm

Ahem.

Continuous with what Romney was saying in the clip:

Latter Day Saints believe that the Jews will build the Third Temple and after the Second Coming of Jesus Christ, the Jews will accept Jesus as the Messiah and most Jews will convert to Mormonism. Then, it is believed, the Third Temple will become an LDS Temple and will be one of the two most important LDS Temples along with the New Jerusalem Temple that it is believed will be constructed on the Temple Lot in Independence, Missouri, United States. The Jerusalem Temple will function as the resurrected Jesus Christ's Eastern Hemisphere headquarters, and the New Jerusalem Temple in Independence, Missouri will function as the resurrected Jesus Christ's Western Hemisphere headquarters. Both of these two temples will have thrones for Jesus Christ to sit on during his millennial reign.

86 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:03:47pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

Yes, a pension system that Chile itself has had to reform since. But it was totally worth a murderous dictator to get that market based system, wasn't it?

87 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:04:14pm

Here's a longer version of the video, with Romney acting even snippier:

Youtube Video
88 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:04:48pm

re: #86 dragonath

Yes, a pension system that Chile itself has had to reform since. But it was totally worth a murderous dictator to get that market based system, wasn't it?

Totally. Those leftist pigs deserved to die. // Really, truly a terrible regime as was the Processo military junta regime next door in Argentina.

89 Mattand  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:05:02pm

From CNN's Money site:

Private hiring jumps, unemployment claims fall

The economy is finally getting better, so therefore conservatives and concerned independents will vote out Obama.

I thought about adding a sarcasm tag, but there's a distinct possibility my prediction will come true.

90 makeitstopghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:05:07pm

re: #77 Coracle

I interpreted the vid a little differently on the page I posted. Romney was definitely defensive, but it he had a lot more candor than we've seen from him this campaign.

But that's the problem, isn't it?

He'll be candid as he wants to be with someone on his side, but when he's speaking to voters in general he'll simply lie.

One other note: From the look of this video, it's pretty obvious that he's not on the air. I'd love to hear the aircheck of that interview, just to see how what he says on the video stacks up against what actually went out on the air.

91 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:05:47pm

NPR apologizes to Abigael Evans, the 'Bronco Bama' girl

On Wednesday, NPR correspondent Mark Memmott wrote on the organization's website, "On behalf of NPR and all other news outlets, we apologize to Abigael and all the many others who probably feel like her. We must confess, the campaign's gone on long enough for us, too. Let's just keep telling ourselves: 'Only a few more days, only a few more days, only a few more days.'"

NPR also sent the girl an NPR politics pin, which, according to a reporter from NPR station KUNC, seems to have cheered the girl up tremendously.

92 allegro  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:06:06pm

re: #85 The Ghost of a Flea

Ahem.

Continuous with what Romney was saying in the clip:

That this guy is thaaat close to the presidency is truly frightening. It gets creepier by the day. I want so very much to never have to hear his name again after Tuesday.

93 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:08:13pm

re: #85 The Ghost of a Flea

Um.

If Jesus is absolute and all, why does he need a throne?

Two thrones?

94 erik_t  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:08:19pm

re: #92 allegro

That this guy is thaaat close to the presidency is truly frightening. It gets creepier by the day. I want so very much to never have to hear his name again after Tuesday.

I want to hear it in the rather hilarious books that will come out as the knives do, but that's about it.

95 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:08:38pm
96 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:08:55pm

One of the clearest examples of passive racism is the scrutiny to which Obama's religion has been put through vs. Romney's.

97 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:09:01pm

re: #93 dragonath

Um.

If Jesus is absolute and all, why does he need a throne?

Two thrones?

Jet lag.

98 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:09:25pm

re: #7 ProGunLiberal

I have a hunch about this. Is/was Skousen Mormon?

Yes. He was also batshit crazy, of course, which is a different problem--being Mormon just directed some of it.

If he'd been Catholic, he would have been one of the SSPX dudes.

99 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:10:10pm

I love rattling the right wing morons' cages.

[Link: soopermexican.wordpress.com...]

100 Major Tom  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:10:41pm

The only interview with a politician where you will ever hear them say, "Anyway, back to abortion..."

101 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:10:55pm

Inhofe: Obama 'Has Tried to Destroy Every Institution that Makes America Great'

Today, Sen. James Inhofe stopped by "Focal Point" to give Bryan Fischer his predication about next week's election, saying he wanted it on the record that not only is Mitt Romney was going to win "by a substantial margin," but that Republicans will also win control of the Senate because, even though people don't want to say it, "they realize this president has tried to destroy every institution that makes America great."

"This is still America and they can't get by with that," Inhofe declared, before predicting that Todd Akin would win the Missouri Senate race because his "legitimate rape" gaffe "was a long time ago":

102 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:10:56pm

re: #85 The Ghost of a Flea

Ahem.

Continuous with what Romney was saying in the clip:

Coo-coo...

103 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:11:51pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

I love rattling the right wing morons' cages.

[Link: soopermexican.wordpress.com...]

Gee, where have I heard that dialect before...

104 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:12:24pm

H2 (History Channel 2) had an interesting show on last night about what makes people afraid of the dark. It was really neat. They went to places like Eastern Africa where people still live at night close to how early humans did. They also visited a rural town in England far from the city. It's a provoking question really. I think myself and my two brothers were all afraid of the dark at one point in our lives. And I'm still scared to go in cemeteries at night. My high school was right across the street from one and that always creeped me out.

105 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:12:56pm

re: #101 Kragar

Inhofe: Obama 'Has Tried to Destroy Every Institution that Makes America Great'

Try again Inhofe. Also, Akin's "legitimate rape" was a "long time ago" but I bet you Inhofe loves running with the "You didn't build that"

106 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:13:09pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

I love rattling the right wing morons' cages.

[Link: soopermexican.wordpress.com...]

What do you bet the guy was all over Obama's speeches from 10-15 years ago?

107 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:14:08pm

re: #106 Kragar

What do you bet the guy was all over Obama's speeches from 10-15 years ago?

Alinskypivenwrightmarshall.

108 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:16:24pm

re: #96 Obdicut

One of the clearest examples of passive racism is the scrutiny to which Obama's religion has been put through vs. Romney's.

I think it needs to be screamed from rooftops that we have a political party influenced by people excitedly looking for signs that the world is ending and that their foreign policy is based on getting all the Jews back to Israel so that a global, life-ending war can commence.

109 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:17:34pm

re: #108 The Ghost of a Flea

I think it needs to be screamed from rooftops that we have a political party influenced by people excitedly looking for signs that the world and that their foreign policy is based on getting all the Jews back to Israel so that a global, life-ending war can commence.

When they talk about end times. It scares the crap out of me. And these people mock climate change believers. Hey, at least the climate change scientists and believers are relying on scientific data.

110 makeitstopghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:17:42pm

re: #99 Charles Johnson

I love rattling the right wing morons' cages.

[Link: soopermexican.wordpress.com...]

And there are hundreds of commenters on the site backing him up!

Oh, wait. No, there aren't. Soopermexican seems to be running an empty establishment over there...

111 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:19:02pm

re: #108 The Ghost of a Flea

I think it needs to be screamed from rooftops that we have a political party influenced by people excitedly looking for signs that the world is ending and that their foreign policy is based on getting all the Jews back to Israel so that a global, life-ending war can commence.

Gee thanks, Jesus?

112 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:19:51pm

Truly is a disturbing world at times.

113 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:20:12pm

AP writers - still trying:

ROMNEY WOULD BRING CEO EYE TO WHITE HOUSE

Should he prevail Tuesday, Mitt Romney would bring a CEO's eye to the White House and a policy agenda based on a general set of principles and focused more on data than ideology.

Is that supposed to be good? The writer continues:

He'll take charge of one of the world's largest bureaucracies as it faces a weak economy, swirling international tensions and intense polarization. And he doesn't plan to wait long to push his priorities, though he has yet to outline specific plans to address the country's challenges.

[...]

"Swirling international tensions" - swirling like a hurricane, no doubt.

Yet again, another wire story trying really, really hard.

114 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:21:38pm

re: #113 freetoken

What the?

Is that supposed to be a straight news piece?

115 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:21:51pm

Wait. This is the dreaded sex scandal October surprise Drudge was warning us about? Allegations that US Senator Bob Menendez had sex with prostitutes in the Dominican Republic? Really? That's going to be the game changer?

Menendez denies all the allegations; the women wont identify themselves, and that the proof was that they pointed out Menendez from a photo.

Wont change the fact that Menendez is ahead of Kyrillos by a wide margin.

116 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:22:32pm

Catastrophe aversion - it is going to be expensive:


Experts: NYC sea barrier could have stopped surge

The vast destruction wreaked by the storm surge in New York could have been prevented with a sea barrier of the type that protects major cities in Europe, some scientists and engineers say. The multibillion-dollar price tag of such a project has been a hindrance, but may appear more palatable after the damage from Superstorm Sandy has been tallied.

“The time has come. The city is finally going to have to face this,” said oceanography professor Malcolm J. Bowman at Long Island’s Stony Brook University. He has warned for years of the potential for a catastrophic storm surge in New York and has advocated for a barrier.

Invited by Bowman and his colleague Douglas Hill, two European engineering firms have drawn up proposals for walling most of New York off from the sea, at a price just above $6 billion.

[...]

117 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:23:09pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

When they talk about end times. It scares the crap out of me. And these people mock climate change believers. Hey, at least the climate change scientists and believers are relying on scientific data.

I have a friend who became Rapture ready. His FB is pretty much in depth discussions of Left Behind and excitement over the possibility that Iran could be Gog or Magog. The possibility of a nuclear attack on Israel isn't terrifying to these people, it's thrilling because it means the wheels of the End Times are in motion and the Rapture will happen.

When I pointed out that he was quivering in anticipation of billions of people dying and then being tormented in hell forever, his response was "sole fide." Then I dropped his ass.

118 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:23:15pm

re: #113 freetoken

From that article:

Those closest to him describe him as deliberative, results-driven and cool under pressure.

Oh, yeah, I can see that.

119 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:23:36pm

re: #115 lawhawk

Wait. This is the dreaded sex scandal October surprise Drudge was warning us about? Allegations that US Senator Bob Menendez had sex with prostitutes in the Dominican Republic? Really? That's going to be the game changer?

Menendez denies all the allegations; the women wont identify themselves, and that the proof was that they pointed out Menendez from a photo.

Wont change the fact that Menendez is ahead of Kyrillos by a wide margin.

It's so weak I couldn't even get interested enough to post about it.

120 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:23:48pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

It's listed under "Stories".

Hard to tell with the AP sometimes, as their "stories" can sound an awful lot like "opinions".

121 Major Tom  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:23:51pm

re: #115 lawhawk

Wait. This is the dreaded sex scandal October surprise Drudge was warning us about? Allegations that US Senator Bob Menendez had sex with prostitutes in the Dominican Republic? Really? That's going to be the game changer?

Menendez denies all the allegations; the women wont identify themselves, and that the proof was that they pointed out Menendez from a photo.

Wont change the fact that Menendez is ahead of Kyrillos by a wide margin.

Show them a photo of Rush...

122 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:25:15pm

re: #116 freetoken

Other outlets put the cost at 2-3 times that much.

Here's my take. If you're going to build it, build it with additional infrastructure - rail/road links. You'd get a direct link from Sandy Hook to Brooklyn, bypassing the most heavily congested areas.

Similarly, you'd get a cross Long Island Sound barrier connecting the East End with Connecticut - opening up new possibilities for evacuations if necessary as well as transportation links. More expensive, but bigger ROI.

123 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:26:16pm

re: #113 freetoken

AP writers - still trying:

ROMNEY WOULD BRING CEO EYE TO WHITE HOUSE

Is that supposed to be good? The writer continues:

"Swirling international tensions" - swirling like a hurricane, no doubt.

Yet again, another wire story trying really, really hard.

re: #114 Charles Johnson

What the?

Is that supposed to be a straight news piece?

That article sounds like a campaign press release or ad, not a news story.

The media wants a horserace so bad, right up through next Tuesday, they'll toss aside all pretense of objectivity.

124 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:26:18pm

Nonpartisan Tax Report Withdrawn After G.O.P. Protest

The Congressional Research Service has withdrawn an economic report that found no correlation between top tax rates and economic growth, a central tenet of conservative economy theory, after Senate Republicans raised concerns about the paper’s findings and wording.

The decision, made in late September against the advice of the agency’s economic team leadership, drew almost no notice at the time. Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, cited the study a week and a half after it was withdrawn in a speech on tax policy at the National Press Club.

But it could actually draw new attention to the report, which questions the premise that lowering the top marginal tax rate stimulates economic growth and job creation.

“This has hues of a banana republic,” Mr. Schumer said. “They didn’t like a report, and instead of rebutting it, they had them take it down.”

Republicans did not say whether they had asked the research service, a nonpartisan arm of the Library of Congress, to take the report out of circulation, but they were clear that they protested its tone and findings.

125 erik_t  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:27:23pm

re: #113 freetoken

AP writers - still trying:

focused more on data than ideology

This is written about the Republican candidate.

What a festering joke.

126 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:28:31pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

That's just it. It's so weak that it wont harm Menendez, let alone turnout anywhere else. Or even relate back to Obama.

127 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:28:32pm

re: #117 The Ghost of a Flea

I have a friend who became Rapture ready. His FB is pretty much in depth discussions of Left Behind and excitement over the possibility that Iran could be Gog or Magog. The possibility of a nuclear attack on Israel isn't terrifying to these people, it's thrilling because it means the wheels of the End Times are in motion and the Rapture will happen.

When I pointed out that he was quivering in anticipation of billions of people dying and then being tormented in hell forever, his response was "sole fide." Then I dropped his ass.

I'm sure he's praying for you right now...

///

128 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:30:00pm

Missouri Republican Party funds Akin ad featuring rape victim

The Missouri Republican Party funded $387,000 of a $700,000 ad buy for the Akin campaign prior to the Nov. 6 election. The National Republican Senatorial Committee (NRSC) told CNN’s Dana Bash that they would not comment on whether they contributed some of the funds.

129 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:30:16pm

re: #127 MittDoesNotCompute

I'm sure he's praying for you right now...

I don't know what eldritch abomination he's worshiping, but I don't want any favors from it.

130 allegro  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:31:00pm

re: #113 freetoken

He'll take charge of one of the world's largest bureaucracies as it faces a weak economy, swirling international tensions and intense polarization. And he doesn't plan to wait long to push his priorities, though he has yet to outline specific plans to address the country's challenges.

The fuck? Seriously, they can't see the problem with this?

131 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:31:38pm

re: #129 The Ghost of a Flea

I don't know what eldritch abomination he's worshiping, but I don't want any favors from it.

Old Scratch...

132 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:31:44pm

re: #128 Kragar

Missouri Republican Party funds Akin ad featuring rape victim

My surprise, let me show you it.

133 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:32:05pm

One of my soap boxes is how we, as a society and nation, are not stepping back and taking accurate assessments of what it will take, by way of resources and time, to maintain our modernity:


Exasperation builds on Day 3 in storm-stricken NYC

Frustration - and in some cases fear - mounted in New York City on Thursday, three days after Superstorm Sandy. Traffic backed up for miles at bridges, large crowds waited impatiently for buses into Manhattan, and tempers flared in gas lines.

[...]

"We had three guys sitting out in the lobby last night with candlelight, and very threatening folks were passing by in the pitch black," she said. "And everyone's leaving. That makes it worse."

The mounting despair came even as the subways began rolling again after a three-day shutdown. Service was restored to most of the city, but not the most stricken parts of Manhattan and Brooklyn, where the tunnels were flooded.

[..,]

NYC, like all conurbations, depends on the importation of large quantities of supplies and energy through a highly complex system for distribution. This complexity itself costs quite a bit, but we are willing to pay because we like the results.

Every politician (almost) loves to talk about spending money on "infrastructure", but the actual construction is slow and often fought every step of the way.

By the second half of this century many major American cities which are the coasts will need to spend large sums of money to rebuild themselves.

But let's all pretend we can ignore that.

134 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:32:13pm

re: #130 allegro

The fuck? Seriously, they can't see the problem with this?

Who can resist the allure of the Mystery Box?

135 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:32:32pm

re: #128 Kragar

Missouri Republican Party funds Akin ad featuring rape victim

Abortion rights for me but not for thee. And Todd's a kind man. Yeah fucking right.

136 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:33:00pm

Romney proudly says "I was beaten up in Boston because I pointed out time and again that I encouraged girls not to get abortions, that I told them to have adoptions."

What an arrogant attitude. "Girls". "Told them to have adoptions".

Were there no women? Could a pregnant person of whatever age not choose to keep her baby? Was she 'having an adoption' instead of 'having a baby'?

He knows enough to keep Skousen off the air and maybe out of the White House, but he will never develop empathy. That's what makes him dangerous.

137 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:33:20pm

re: #134 The Ghost of a Flea

Who can resist the allure of the Mystery Box?

Let's make a deal. I'll trade you what's in the Mystery Box for what's behind Door #3.

138 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:33:34pm

re: #129 The Ghost of a Flea

I don't know what eldritch abomination he's worshiping, but I don't want any favors from it.

Heretic.

139 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:34:27pm

re: #136 wrenchwench

Romney proudly says "I was beaten up in Boston because I pointed out time and again that I encouraged girls not to get abortions, that I told them to have adoptions."

What an arrogant attitude. "Girls". "Told them to have adoptions".

Were there no women? Could a pregnant person of whatever age not choose to keep her baby? Was she 'having an adoption' instead of 'having a baby'?

He knows enough to keep Skousen off the air and maybe out of the White House, but he will never develop empathy. That's what makes him dangerous.

Well, it helps that Skousen's dead, but unfortunately, not his influence.

140 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:34:34pm

The Economist gives Obama a tepid endorsement:

'Devil we know' - The Economist backs Obama

141 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:34:42pm

re: #124 Kragar

Nonpartisan Tax Report Withdrawn After G.O.P. Protest

Our shitty ideas were debunked! We must bury the truth!

///

142 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:34:49pm

re: #135 HappyWarrior

Abortion rights for me but not for thee. And Todd's a kind man. Yeah fucking right.

To be fair, they don't say what kind of man. I'm thinking the misogynistic asshole kind.

143 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:35:19pm
144 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:35:40pm

Sure enough, major outlets are running that AP piece under "news". E.g., the SF Chronicle:

[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

145 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:35:59pm

Cue the wingnut boycott, at least until they need a caffeine fix:

146 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:36:17pm

Horse race.

We need the horse race, or else all the bettors will go home.

147 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:36:21pm

re: #141 Lidane

///

Ia! Ia! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Freidman School of Economics R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

148 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:37:27pm

re: #143 Lidane

[Embedded content]

A conservative website posted the headline "Romney on Fire", but when I clicked the article, it was just another pipedream about mittmentum.

Thanks for getting my hopes up, assholes.

149 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:37:34pm

Mitt Romney has a "CEO's eye".

That's the news.

I read it in my paper.

150 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:38:34pm

re: #148 Kragar

A conservative website posted the headline "Romney on Fire", but when I clicked the article, it was just another pipedream about mittmentum.

Thanks for getting my hopes up, assholes.

It's unsafe to throw water on an electrical fire...

151 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:38:54pm

re: #149 freetoken

Mitt Romney has a "CEO's eye".

That's the news.

I read it in my paper.

And a venture capitalist's heart, ie: none.

152 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:39:39pm

Remember, the propaganda "news" is just a product, like, well, this.

They're so sweet, they had to name them twice.

153 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:39:41pm

re: #147 The Ghost of a Flea

Ia! Ia! Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Freidman School of Economics R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!

Cthulu cancels 2012 presidential campaign, endorses Romney: "When you campaign on 'Don't choose the lesser evil', you have to be willing to admit when you are the lesser evil."

154 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:39:41pm

re: #136 wrenchwench

Romney proudly says "I was beaten up in Boston because I pointed out time and again that I encouraged girls not to get abortions, that I told them to have adoptions."

What an arrogant attitude. "Girls". "Told them to have adoptions".

Were there no women? Could a pregnant person of whatever age not choose to keep her baby? Was she 'having an adoption' instead of 'having a baby'?

He knows enough to keep Skousen off the air and maybe out of the White House, but he will never develop empathy. That's what makes him dangerous.

It's a complete refusal he has to even try to empathize. He had some moronic things he said about hurricane clean up too. [Link: www.salon.com...]
Just like cleaning up a football field he says. After some people lost their lives and their homes. Really, if people want to know why Mitt Romney is disliked and even hated, it's his shitty attitude for starters. Try to at least pretend like you care, damnit.

155 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:40:29pm

re: #145 Lidane

Cue the wingnut boycott, at least until they need a caffeine fix:

[Embedded content]

I guess RWNJs will have to find another place to get their overpriced, half-burnt coffee.

156 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:40:48pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

It's a complete refusal he has to even try to empathize. He had some moronic things he said about hurricane clean up too. [Link: www.salon.com...]
Just like cleaning up a football field he says. After some people lost their lives and their homes. Really, if people want to know why Mitt Romney is disliked and even hated, it's his shitty attitude for starters. Try to at least pretend like you care, damnit.

Empathy means admitting to emotions.

157 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:41:36pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

It's a complete refusal he has to even try to empathize. He had some moronic things he said about hurricane clean up too. [Link: www.salon.com...]
Just like cleaning up a football field he says. After some people lost their lives and their homes. Really, if people want to know why Mitt Romney is disliked and even hated, it's his shitty attitude for starters. Try to at least pretend like you care, damnit.

Romney pretending he cares:

Would you like a free haircut, Mr. Happy Warrior?

158 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:42:00pm

re: #156 Kragar

Empathy means admitting to emotions.

Yeah, that's true. I mean damn if he's saying stuff like this. Is it any wonder why Christie may be distancing himself from him right now?

159 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:42:01pm

re: #149 freetoken

Mitt Romney has a "CEO's eye".

Know who else had a CEO's eye? Dubya.

We saw how well that worked out.

160 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:42:05pm

re: #149 freetoken

Mitt Romney has a "CEO's eye".

That's the news.

I read it in my paper.

Does he keep it in his pocket or in a jar on his nightstand?

///

161 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:44:18pm

Stewart: Gov. Christie realized Obama not an empty chair

162 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:47:12pm
163 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:49:16pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

It's a complete refusal he has to even try to empathize. He had some moronic things he said about hurricane clean up too. [Link: www.salon.com...]
Just like cleaning up a football field he says. After some people lost their lives and their homes. Really, if people want to know why Mitt Romney is disliked and even hated, it's his shitty attitude for starters. Try to at least pretend like you care, damnit.

He means like cleaning up the field in the Superdome after Katrina. And he'd likely be just as quick about it.

164 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:49:31pm

re: #162 Lidane

When that came out the news feeds had all sorts of reports on it... I just rolled my eyes.

Part of me, the cynical part, think it's just Bloomberg trying to make hay out of the obvious - the majority of his city will vote for Obama anyway, and since Bloomberg himself is not a wingnut there is no value in trying to pretend to be pretending to like Romney.

165 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:49:55pm

If this crap has been slow to piss you off, it's not (quite) too late to jump in.

[Link: dashboard.barackobama.com...]

166 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:50:41pm
167 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:53:41pm

re: #166 Lidane

[Embedded content]

If you unskew it, 110% of Americans are unemployed.

168 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:54:04pm

...aaand another Dark downding.

Would you like to talk about it?

169 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:55:26pm

re: #167 Kragar

If you unskew it, 110% of Americans are unemployed.

Except for all the job creators, of course. Heh.

170 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:57:19pm

re: #164 freetoken

So much for American Elect...

171 allegro  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:57:57pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

Try to at least pretend like you care, damnit.

The thing is, I actually think he IS trying. It's really quite sad and pathetic. It would be comical if not for the disaster it would be of his being elected.

172 researchok  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:58:32pm

re: #18 Gus

Yup.

The only thing which makes me uncomfortable is the denigration of his faith, per se.

Slippery slope and all that.

173 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:58:42pm

U.S. stocks in broad rally after upbeat data

Some buoyant data on consumer confidence and the manufacturing sector gave Wall Street a solid bump higher Thursday after Wednesday’s flat reopening following the Hurricane Sandy shutdown.

The data trumped another mixed bag of earnings and dull forecasts for the coming months from companies like ExxonMobil and Pfizer.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average finished solidly higher at 13,232.62, a gain of 136.16 points (1.04 percent).

The broad-based S&P 500 rose 15.43 (1.09 percent) to 1,427.59, while the Nasdaq added 42.83 (1.44 percent) at 3,020.06.

“A slew of positive economic reports complemented better-than-expected reads on manufacturing activity out of China to give US equities a much-needed boost today,” Charles Schwab & Co. analysts said.

Romney surrogate:

Youtube Video
174 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:59:07pm
Dark_Falcon 11/01/2012 2:55:46 pm PDT

If you're going to toss out downdings, Destro, at least post and explain why. Stealth-dinging is the act of a chickenshit.

175 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 2:59:20pm

Obviously the economy is improving in anticipation for Romney's presidency.//

176 steve_davis  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:00:12pm

re: #12 Gus

A one in four chance. I'm a backgammon player, so those odds aren't actually all that comforting. I've lost money on one-in-four hits, plenty of times.

177 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:01:11pm

Well looking at the polls today. The two things I want most to happen are likely to happen. One of course is Obama's re-election and the other is Kaine beating Allen for the Senate here in Virginia. Kaine beating Allen would finally end Allen's career once and for all I would think and hope. Never going to forget or forgive that bastard for the racial bullshit he bulled in 2006. Obviously glad to see the economy is improving too.

178 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:02:08pm

Video of Todd Akin’s Extortionist Friend Threatening a Doctor – Months before Akin Contributed to His Campaign

On March 11, 1993, Dr. David Gunn was shot three times in the back and killed outside his Pensacola, Florida clinic by an assassin who stepped out of a group of anti-abortion protesters. Days later, longtime Todd Akin associate Tim Dreste delivered a chilling message to St. Louis-area doctor Yogendra Shah. Dreste stood in front of his clinic with a sign that read “Dr. Shah, are you feeling under the Gunn?” – referring to the slain Florida doctor. We’ve obtained a short video recording of this infamous incident, which you can watch below.

Dreste would later be convicted of extortion on the basis of this incident and others that followed. U.S. District Judge Robert E. Jones ruled in 1999 that Dreste “acted with malice…and with specific intent in threatening plaintiffs.”

Yet Todd Akin donated to Dreste’s long-shot campaign for the state house in October 1993, just months after Dreste threatened Dr. Shah. Very few others did so – Akin’s $200 contribution was Dreste’s 2nd largest individual contribution and made up 9% of his total donations.

179 Subhuman Varmintghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:02:53pm
Here’s a very revealing video of Mitt Romney totally losing his cool in a radio interview at Iowa’s WHO 1040, when asked to comment on his Mormon faith’s position on abortion and women’s rights.

Actually, this was off the air, which makes it even more disturbing to me. It's kind of like the 47% video, where the real Mitt shows up.

180 HappyBenghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:03:35pm

re: #178 Kragar

Video of Todd Akin’s Extortionist Friend Threatening a Doctor – Months before Akin Contributed to His Campaign

Seems to me the legitimate rape comment was the tip of the iceberg with Akin. I'm glad the moron ran his mouth because otherwise I think he'd be beating McAllskill.

181 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:04:49pm

Bradlee Dean Talks About Armed Insurrection After The Election

Caller: We've talked about this before - that it is not our job as citizens to go in and take up arms against the government unless they come in and illegally shoot us up. But, that is not going to happen because first of all as soon as there is martial law land-wide, the United States-wide you know darn good and well that they are gonna wanna come to get all the guns they can get.

Bradlee Dean: Well, they are already [unintelligible].

Caller: When they do that, what are we fight with - rocks?

Bradlee Dean: No, here's the deal; if Obama is re-elected, let me just say it this way - America deserves what it gets.

Caller: Amen, brother.

182 steve_davis  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:04:58pm

re: #32 erik_t

Are... are ya serious.

Yep. It's the earth tilting in a different way. It turned out it was hanging to the left, but then it started poking through the boxers, so it had to make an emergency anti-zipper laceration move to the right. So we're o.k. now. Just warmer, and harder.

183 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:05:07pm

How long until conservatives attack this radio host for being a liberal Obamabot?

184 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:05:29pm

Required reading:

Survivors deal with these "triggers" every day. Those triggers could be a smell, a street corner, a phrase, the tone of someone's voice, a person who resembles our assailant, or a television show that brings horrific memories flooding back to us. Once we are raped and are lucky enough to survive and continue our lives, we are still haunted. Triggers never stop. We just learn to cope with them and try to live life in spite of them. While television shows and street corners can be avoided, this election cycle has been hard for us to shut out. The recent political conversation on rape has been endless, callous, misogynistic, and loud.

...

I'm asking you to revisit this grappling and to revisit your manner of speech. I'm pleading with you to spend the middle of the night volunteering at a rape crisis center. I'm asking you to see the eyes of a terrified girl who is in shock. I'm asking you to give a blanket and a teddy bear to a young woman who can't bring her clothes home with her because they now have to go to a forensic lab. I'm asking you to help give her the medicine she may have to take because she may have a disease now. I'm asking you to comfort a woman who may have been drugged, who may have been held at gunpoint, at knifepoint, or who may have been tricked into violation. I'm asking you to see the woman's face frightened with tears as she takes a pregnancy test at a hospital waiting to see if she is pregnant from a person who tried to murder her. I'm asking you to talk to a woman who may desperately want a baby from her husband but is terrified she is pregnant from her would-be killer instead. I'm asking you to sit down with sex crimes detectives and witness how overloaded with cases they are. I'm asking you to talk with District Attorneys that won't file charges against the assailant because of fears of losing a case. I'm asking you to talk to women who have had abortions from rape and why they had to do that so they could recover. Or maybe you should talk to women who chose to keep the pregnancy, understand why they needed to do that, and understand why they would never judge someone who couldn't.

185 ElCapitanAmerica  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:08:03pm

Jesus is going to rule from Missouri ????

186 JamesWI  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:08:15pm

re: #115 lawhawk

Wait. This is the dreaded sex scandal October surprise Drudge was warning us about? Allegations that US Senator Bob Menendez had sex with prostitutes in the Dominican Republic? Really? That's going to be the game changer?

Menendez denies all the allegations; the women wont identify themselves, and that the proof was that they pointed out Menendez from a photo.

Wont change the fact that Menendez is ahead of Kyrillos by a wide margin.

Also, I saw on Twitter that their "lawyer" is an ally of the President/PM (can't remember which) of the DR.....who Menendez has criticized harshly multiple times.

Also, you have the fact that it was the lawyer coming forward with the two prostitutes together....that is - They didn't both come forward individually with their stories.

What it looks like is the lawyer found two prostitutes and paid them to tell the story about the Senator, and Tucker the "journalist" went along with it, because he is a desperate hack who sees his party getting creamed.

187 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:08:39pm

Trump blasts Obama for not responding to his gracious offer

Youtube Video

“Very sadly for the country, for a charity — and for the president himself, President Obama has just missed the deadline and now a charity of his choice will not be receiving $5 million — or as I stated much more than $5 million,”

DOUCHEBAG

188 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:09:40pm

re: #185 ElCapitanAmerica

Jesus is going to rule from Missouri ????

News to me too, am I the only one that got a Handmaid's Tale vibe out of that?

189 Joanne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:11:15pm

re: #116 freetoken

Catastrophe aversion - it is going to be expensive:

Experts: NYC sea barrier could have stopped surge

Haven't they been trying this in Venice, Italy for decades? Perhaps it is a different type of solution, but I have seen numerous solutions tried in Venice to no avail.

190 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:27:07pm

re: #187 Kragar

Trump blasts Obama for not responding to his gracious offer

[Embedded content]

DOUCHEBAG

I seriously doubt that the greedy douchebag dumbass sonofabitch really intended to donate anything; it was all about trying to make President Obama look bad.

191 JamesWI  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:28:37pm

Absolutely fucking pathetic and shameless:

Looks like they finally took it off in the last couple minutes. It was up for a good 20. Other headlines on the front page include "Rev Who Gave Obama's Inaugural Benediction Reportedly Says Whites Going to Hell" and "BIAS ALERT: Late Night TV Roughs Up Mitt, Not Dems"

192 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:29:46pm

Lawhawk?

A Page you might enjoy
Unwatering (sic) the subways

193 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:30:04pm

re: #189 Joanne

Haven't they been trying this in Venice, Italy for decades? Perhaps it is a different type of solution, but I have seen numerous solutions tried in Venice to no avail.

The Moses project. It's had a lot of problems, could work:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

194 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:32:05pm

Another little server hiccup, and this time I was watching what was going on. Another bottleneck has been found -- loading a user's tags when they post or edit an LGF Page.

I had changed some things in that code, but some of you have so many tags now that it was still a problem.

So the solution - instead of loading all your tags, it now loads only the ones you've used within the last 6 months. I also took advantage of the server being down to create a couple of indexes on the tags tables that should also help with the speed.

195 JamesWI  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:34:03pm
196 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:34:12pm

Bill Maher pans Fox News ‘bias alert’

“[Each] day, in bright red letters, they post some example of what they think is ‘liberal bias.’ Except there’s only one small problem: it’s almost never an example of media bias. What they seem to have uncovered is that … grab hold of something … not everyone is a Republican,” Maher wrote. “The bit might as well be called ‘PEOPLE WHO SAY THINGS WE DON’T LIKE!’”
...
“This is almost sort of refreshing. Because it means that 95% of the time, we have to sit through some wingnut screeching about liberal media bias, they don’t actually understand who is actually bound to a standard of journalism (journalists) and who isn’t (everyone else),” Maher wrote. “They’re just upset that people exist outside their bubble and they don’t believe the same things they do.”

He then quipped: “So to recap: reality is now evidence of media bias. And so are people with opinions.”

197 jaunte  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:34:33pm

He's quite the excitable boy.

198 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:34:38pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

Ooops, sorry to trigger that one. the tag function was acting pretty weird when I put that one up. "Loading tags" became a tag. I'll go in and remove that one. (when I can)

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

199 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:35:32pm

re: #19 Mattand

Hope so. Based on some comments on Monday, he/she lives somewhere down the shore.

Crud. CL, check in!

200 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:37:00pm

Christie on Obama praise: I speak the truth

That's going to piss a lot of people off.

201 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:39:50pm
202 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:39:53pm

re: #195 JamesWI

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Oh, you know it's coming; they're gonna try to Vince Foster this, for sure.

203 ElCapitanAmerica  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:39:54pm

Full video;

Youtube Video

he loses it in the break before that one, watch him at 13:48;

"So what should I DO? Tell me, WHAT SHOULD I DO?"

204 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:41:42pm

re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist

Crud. CL, check in!

Lots of power is out. Still no power at my folks house.

205 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:42:59pm

re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist

Crud. CL, check in!

Just to try I sent her an email and a tweet. Maybe her mobile will be online before the rest.

206 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:44:31pm

re: #202 MittDoesNotCompute

Oh, you know it's coming; they're gonna try to Vince Foster this, for sure.

The guy apparently was having marital problems, was under investigation for having an unreported association with a foreign national which sounds like it was an affair, and looking at possibly getting fired due to the crack down after the prostitution scandal.

But yeah, its totally because he knew too much about Obama.

207 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:45:49pm

re: #203 ElCapitanAmerica

Full video;

[Embedded content]

he loses it in the break before that one, watch him at 13:48;

"So what should I DO? Tell me, WHAT SHOULD I DO?"

"For starters, don't be a dick."

Well, he fucked that up royally.

208 erik_t  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:46:11pm

LOLPUNDITS

That [imaginary poll tightening] — coupled with [Ohio]’s electoral history and the absolute necessity for Romney to win the state if he wants to be president — leads us to move it back to the “tossup” category.

Critical to Romney, therefore competitive! Science!

209 Petero1818  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:46:20pm

re: #190 MittDoesNotCompute

I seriously doubt that the greedy douchebag dumbass sonofabitch really intended to donate anything; it was all about trying to make President Obama look bad.

One would think that given how ready Donald was to donate 5M, he should do so anyways. After all, the need for charity has not gone away. The entire NE coast is in ruins. Donald owes much of his wealth to this region. There is PLENTY of need at the moment. So if any part of Donald's scheme was altruistic, there is absolutely no rationale whatsoever for not donating the money notwithstanding the President didn't take him up on his challenge.

210 Tigger2  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:46:43pm

re: #145 Lidane

Cue the wingnut boycott, at least until they need a caffeine fix:

[Embedded content]

Morning Joe will hate that.

211 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:48:22pm

re: #205 Daniel Ballard

Just to try I sent her an email and a tweet. Maybe her mobile will be online before the rest.

I just did too!

212 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:49:40pm

re: #201 Gus

[Embedded content]

Mine says "I Voted Early".

213 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:49:44pm

re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist

To Lawhawk: You are in the NYC Metro. Is there a way you can find out if she is okay?

Also, hope my post was okay, on that page.

214 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:50:17pm

re: #209 Petero1818

One would think that given how ready Donald was to donate 5M, he should do so anyways. After all, the need for charity has not gone away. The entire NE coast is in ruins. Donald owes much of his wealth to this region. There is PLENTY of need at the moment. So if any part of Donald's scheme was altruistic, there is absolutely no rationale whatsoever for not donating the money notwithstanding the President didn't take him up on his challenge.

Trump should have really played the part and donned a hockey mask and loincloth;

"I am sorely disappointed, once again you make me release my derps of war."

215 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:50:26pm

re: #212 wrenchwench

Mine says "I Voted Early".

Yeah. Was nice. First time I ever voted early. No waiting. :D

216 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:51:35pm

re: #215 Gus

Yeah. Was nice. First time I ever voted early. No waiting. :D

I had to wait about 4 minutes, at 8:30 AM on Monday. (I've never had to wait more than 15 min. at the DMV here.)

217 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:52:35pm

Outrage!

218 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:53:20pm

re: #203 ElCapitanAmerica

Full video;

[Embedded content]

he loses it in the break before that one, watch him at 13:48;

"So what should I DO? Tell me, WHAT SHOULD I DO?"

OOOooh, they share a common affection for Cleon Skousen!

219 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:54:03pm

New documents reveal events leading up to Benghazi attack

Reporters from ForeignPolicy.com say they found a draft letter expressing concern among documents left on site more than six weeks after the attack, and nearly a month after the FBI was there collecting evidence.

Notations indicate the letter was intended for the head of the Libyan Ministry of Foreign Affairs in Benghazi.

"... early this morning at 0643, September 11, 2012, one of our diligent guards made a troubling report. Near our main gate, a member of the police force was seen in the upper level of a building across from our compound. It is reported that this person was photographing the inside of the U.S. special mission and furthermore that this person was part of the police unit sent to protect the mission."
....
Another draft letter dated two days before the attack complains that requested police support for Ambassador Stevens' visit had not been supplied.

"..We requested daily, twenty-four hour police protection at the front and rear of the U.S. mission as well as a roving patrol. In addition we requested the services of a police explosive detection dog. We were given assurances from the highest authorities in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs that all due support would be provided for Ambassador Stevens' visit to Benghazi. However, we are saddened to report that we have only received an occasional police presence at our main gate. Many hours pass when we have no police support at all."

The request for extra police protection probably wouldn't have been very helpful since it seems members of the police may have assisted with surveillance for the attack.

220 Lidane  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:54:29pm

...

221 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:56:25pm
222 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:56:41pm

re: #203 ElCapitanAmerica

Full video;

[Embedded content]

he loses it in the break before that one, watch him at 13:48;

"So what should I DO? Tell me, WHAT SHOULD I DO?"

From the note at YouTube:

Mr. Romney has claimed (with Katie Couric) that he'd unwittingly been captured on hidden camera. There were in fact two camcorders in plain site, both on tripods.

223 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:57:47pm

They're saying power may be out for 10 days.

224 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 3:59:16pm
225 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:01:20pm

re: #222 wrenchwench

From the note at YouTube:

Ah, but can you see the camera as its filming?
/

226 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:05:12pm
227 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:08:27pm

re: #225 Kragar

Ah, but can you see the camera as its filming?
/

Can't see anything now. It quit on me at 12:36.

And yeah, your reference flew over my head....

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:11:32pm

re: #28 Varek Raith

Yeah...
WTF was that?

End times. This is seriously surprising people?

229 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:14:01pm

re: #228 SanFranciscoZionist

End times. This is seriously surprising people?

Anyone who seriously believes in that kind of shit has no place being put in charge of nuclear assets.

230 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:14:21pm

re: #227 wrenchwench

Can't see anything now. It quit on me at 12:36.

And yeah, your reference flew over my head....

Which one?

231 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:14:34pm

Still lots of newswire chatter over Bloomberg endorsing Obama while citing "climate change".

Besides being a somewhat facile endorsement, its also quite clear that the news story writers continue to sink under the complexity of the issue, unable to clearly present to the reading audience the idea that in the real universe events can have many, commingled, "causes".

232 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:17:07pm

Just to share some good news with my friends-Got a producer coming to where we smelt the gold to see about the place as a location for a TV show pilot episode-Documentary. Might be a lot like what I did for Baggage Battles months ago. Showing the public how gold gets refined/recycle/reused. Fingers crossed.

233 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:18:17pm
234 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:19:05pm

re: #230 Kragar

Which one?

Well, pretty much all of them, but this one most recently.

235 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:19:27pm

No, we really don't care about climate change, do we?

BMW’s U.S. October Sales Gain Narrows Mercedes’ Lead

Bayerische Motoren Werke AG (BMW)’s BMW U.S. sales rose 21 percent in October, narrowing the lead of Daimler AG (DAI)’s Mercedes-Benz in luxury-auto deliveries this year.

Sales for BMW climbed to 26,451 vehicles last month, boosted by a 26 percent gain for its 3-Series. Mercedes yesterday reported a 5.9 percent increase from a year earlier to 23,978, helped by updated versions of the C-Class small sedan. Toyota Motor Corp. (7203)’s Lexus rose 9.7 percent to 19,850.

[...]

A LOOK AT THE TOP-SELLING US CARS, TRUCKS IN OCT.

Thursday that U.S. new car and truck sales rose 7 percent to 1.1 million in October despite the impact of Superstorm Sandy. Here were the top selling cars and trucks for the month and the percent change in sales from October of 2011.

Vehicle October 2012 sales Percent change:

Ford F-Series 56,497 +7.6
Chevrolet Silverado 38,739 +5.7
Toyota Camry 29,926 +35.8
Honda Accord 28,349 +25.5
Ram pickup 25,222 +19.9
Nissan Altima 24,623 +12.8
Toyota Corolla/Matrix 20,949 +29.0
Honda Civic 20,687 +27.9
Honda CR-V 20,205 +4.5
Ford Escape 19,832 +4.1

236 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:19:32pm

re: #232 Daniel Ballard

Just to share some good news with my friends-Got a producer coming to where we smelt the gold to see about the place as a location for a TV show pilot episode-Documentary. Might be a lot like what I did for Baggage Battles months ago. Showing the public how gold gets refined/recycle/reused. Fingers crossed.

Ron Paul!!!

237 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:22:01pm

Here's the problem. If his job is to uphold the constitution, though he can work to change it, he must follow current law. If his fear of being "excommunicated" is greater than his desire to uphold the constitution, then he has no business wanting to be our President. This is why he's dancing around the issue.

238 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:22:26pm

re: #234 wrenchwench

Well, pretty much all of them, but this one most recently.

A camera would always be hidden in a video it was filming unless you could spot it in a reflective surface. Therefore, one could say there is no video evidence in the clip that the camera wasn't hidden.

239 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:22:53pm

re: #232 Daniel Ballard

Just to share some good news with my friends-Got a producer coming to where we smelt the gold to see about the place as a location for a TV show pilot episode-Documentary. Might be a lot like what I did for Baggage Battles months ago. Showing the public how gold gets refined/recycle/reused. Fingers crossed.

What does the gold smell like?

///

240 Kragar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:23:30pm

And I'm always happy to source my obscure references upon request.

241 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:23:50pm

re: #236 wrenchwench

Well, gold fell a dollar today:

[Link: www.kitco.com...]

At $1716/troy ounce I'm sure the goldbugs are not sad but they aren't that happy either. Certainly many are pushing for it to reach a new high.

242 Joanne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:24:41pm

CIA rushed to save diplomats as Libya attack was underway

243 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:27:17pm

re: #236 wrenchwench

Heh. Did you see the "Gold Foil Hat" satire Page leftwingconspirator did some time ago?

244 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:28:06pm

re: #239 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

What does the gold smell like?

///

*snicker*
NOT like Ron Paul.

245 aagcobb  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:28:42pm

re: #140 freetoken

The Economist gives Obama a tepid endorsement:

'Devil we know' - The Economist backs Obama

"For all his businesslike intentions, Mr Romney has an economic plan that works only if you don't believe most of what he says. That is not a convincing pitch for a chief executive," The Economist said.

Read more: [Link: www.theage.com.au...]

This. From the Economist, not exactly a bunch of wooly-minded socialists.

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:30:47pm

re: #229 Kragar

Anyone who seriously believes in that kind of shit has no place being put in charge of nuclear assets.

Jimmy Carter may well subscribe to some version of this, and he didn't nuke anything that I recall. He also wasn't silly enough to go on tape with his theology.

I don't know. What do people want? No one ever heard of Armageddon before?

(I kind of want to make a couple of bitter comments here about Iran and the bomb, but why bother? I generally believe that political self-interest will prevail, and that goes for Romney too.)

247 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:32:12pm

re: #239 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

What does the gold smell like?

///

Like money...

///

248 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:32:23pm

A very desperate attempt to hold on to the dual-nature view of humans:

'Near-death experiences occur when soul leaves nervous system'

A near-death experience occurs when quantum substances which form the soul leave the nervous system and enter the universe at large, according to a ground-breaking theory proposed by two eminent scientists.

According to this idea, consciousness is a programme for a quantum computer in the brain which can persist in the universe even after death, explaining the perceptions of those who have near-death experiences.

Dr Stuart Hameroff, Professor Emeritus at the Departments of Anesthesiology and Psychology and the Director of the Centre of Consciousness Studies at the University of Arizona, has advanced the quasi-religious theory, the Daily Mail reported.

It is based on a quantum theory of consciousness he and British physicist Sir Roger Penrose have developed which holds that the essence of our soul is contained inside structures called microtubules within brain cells.

They have argued that our experience of consciousness is the result of quantum gravity effects in these microtubules, a theory which they dubbed orchestrated objective reduction (Orch-OR).

Thus it is held that our souls are more than theinteraction of neurons in the brain. They are in fact constructed from the very fabric of the universe - and may have existed since the beginning of time.

[...]

"Let's say the heart stops beating, the blood stops flowing, the microtubules lose their quantum state. The quantum information within the microtubules is not destroyed, it can't be destroyed, it just distributes and dissipates to the universe at large," Hameroff told the Science Channel's Through the Wormhole documentary.

"If the patient is resuscitated, revived, this quantum information can go back into the microtubules and the patient says 'I had a near death experience'," Hameroff said.

"If they're not revived, and the patient dies, it's possible that this quantum information can exist outside the body, perhaps indefinitely, as a soul," Hameroff added.

AUTHORITY!!

249 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:32:25pm

re: #238 Kragar

A camera would always be hidden in a video it was filming unless you could spot it in a reflective surface. Therefore, one could say there is no video evidence in the clip that the camera wasn't hidden.

But... two cameras, and there is a reflective surface behind Romney, but it's at the wrong angle. I don't know why the claim is made that they can be seen. But it sure looks like that host regularly video tapes his guests.

250 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:32:27pm

re: #239 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

What does the gold smell like?

///

Terrible!

251 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:32:40pm

Plus, Obama's gonna win. And he seems like a Unitarian Jihad type.

252 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:33:55pm

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

Plus, Obama's gonna win. And he seems like a Unitarian Jihad type.

Jihad through "quantum gravity effects in microtubules" ?

253 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:33:59pm
254 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:34:08pm

re: #240 Kragar

And I'm always happy to source my obscure references upon request.

Oh, sure. That's just a trap for me to expose my vast ignorance, and make me look insufficiently geeky.

Wait...

255 aagcobb  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:34:52pm

re: #176 steve_davis

A one in four chance. I'm a backgammon player, so those odds aren't actually all that comforting. I've lost money on one-in-four hits, plenty of times.

According to Nate Silver, its more like one-in-five now. Better, but still not out of the woods yet.

256 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:35:25pm

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

Plus, Obama's gonna win. And he seems like a Unitarian Jihad type.

President Mallet of Compassion

257 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:36:25pm

re: #242 Joanne

CIA rushed to save diplomats as Libya attack was underway

Well of course they did. Anyone claiming otherwise was lying or completely fails to understand how motivated our CIA/State/Military people really are.The idea that our people involved did not jump as fast and hard as possible is really enraging. What a needless diss to try to paint Obama in a bad light.

258 darthstar  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:36:42pm

Fuckin' sharks...first one was well south of us in Santa Barbara...but this one was well north of us in Eureka. This is making my wife less happy about my desire to surf on weekends.

Image: 10457_2504609952066_578206281_n.jpg

”It punctured all the way through. There were guts and meat hanging,” said Jason Gabriel, who helped get the man to safety. “He was going 'Oh my God, oh my God,’”

259 ಠ_ಠ  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:37:00pm

I particularly like this part a 3:01 where he explicitly advocates a federal ban on abortion.

Oh yeah, and it's a totally "secular" reasoning too. *snort*

260 aagcobb  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:39:31pm

re: #200 Kragar

Christie on Obama praise: I speak the truth

That's going to piss a lot of people off.

You Lie!!

261 bratwurst  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:39:58pm

re: #245 aagcobb

This. From the Economist, not exactly a bunch of wooly-minded socialists.

Au contraire! National Review Online has declared The Economist AND Michael Bloomberg to be elements of the liberal establishment.

262 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:40:36pm

re: #243 Daniel Ballard

Heh. Did you see the "Gold Foil Hat" satire Page leftwingconspirator did some time ago?

Now I have!

263 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:41:00pm
264 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:42:42pm

Yipee! I'm going to be on a conference call with the President tomorrow morning!

265 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:44:56pm

re: #264 moderatelyradicalliberal

Yipee! I'm going to be on a conference call with the President tomorrow morning!

Cool!

266 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:45:06pm

re: #253 Interesting Times

Amen.

267 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:46:59pm

re: #264 moderatelyradicalliberal

Yipee! I'm going to be on a conference call with the President tomorrow morning!

Tell him I'm still waiting on Gitmo.

268 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:48:20pm

re: #264 moderatelyradicalliberal

Yipee! I'm going to be on a conference call with the President tomorrow morning!

Awesome! I really, really hope someone brings this up:

See both the articles I link to - one is about early votes in a predominantly black FL community being "disappeared", and the other is about the scumbag Katherine-Harris-wannabe Ohio Sec of State having "experimental" software installed on voting machines in order to bypass the audit/approval process.

269 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:49:13pm

Hamster attack.

Youtube Video
270 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:49:42pm

re: #267 Decatur Deb

Tell him I'm still waiting on Gitmo.

Your reservation has been cancelled. Please stay where you are and a drone will be with you shortly.

271 Joanne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:50:28pm

re: #226 Gus

You crack me up!!

272 Interesting Times in Benghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:50:50pm

re: #268 Interesting Times

Oh good grief, it gets even worse:

This treasonous, anti-democracy piece of filth BELONGS IN JAIL.

273 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:51:22pm

re: #271 Joanne

You crack me up!!

:D That was an actual Daily News cover.

274 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:52:32pm

re: #268 Interesting Times

Awesome! I really, really hope someone brings this up:

[Embedded content]

See both the articles I link to - one is about early votes in a predominantly black FL community being "disappeared", and the other is about the scumbag Katherine-Harris-wannabe Ohio Sec of State having "experimental" software installed on voting machines in order to bypass the audit/approval process.

Well I was going to ask "Where's my fucking pink pony with sparkles, Barry?", but that's a good one.

275 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:53:41pm

re: #267 Decatur Deb

Tell him I'm still waiting on Gitmo.

I've already voted for him but otherwise, yeah.

OTOH...
Just in case anyone here thinks there isn't any difference between Obama & Romney

276 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:54:33pm

The Nashua Telegraph, in supposedly "conservative" NH, endorses (albeit tepidly) ... a Democrat:

Shea-Porter for Congress

277 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:56:02pm

re: #248 freetoken

A very desperate attempt to hold on to the dual-nature view of humans:

'Near-death experiences occur when soul leaves nervous system'

AUTHORITY!!

No they aren't. I read nothing, I mean nothing about the Midi-chlorians.
//

278 Joanne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 4:59:04pm

re: #264 moderatelyradicalliberal

Yipee! I'm going to be on a conference call with the President tomorrow morning!

Me too! WOOT! (I was on the last one...and ponied up $250 before the call ended. I have sent Obama every extra cent I could. On a hugely major league plus side, my salary doubled today as I am no longer contract. MAJOR WOOT!!)

279 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:02:50pm

re: #278 Joanne

Me too! WOOT! (I was on the last one...and ponied up $250 before the call ended. I have sent Obama every extra cent I could. On a hugely major league plus side, my salary doubled today as I am no longer contract. MAJOR WOOT!!)

Congratulations on the salary increase. I got a raise too and have been giving a lot of it to OFA and some other Democratic candidates and Planned Parenthood over the last 6 months. I'm so excited about the call. I was sad when it was rescheduled because of Sandy, but understood. Unlike that other guy, PBO has a real job to do. And I think he does it damn well.

280 Joanne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:03:13pm

re: #273 Gus

:D That was an actual Daily News cover.

Wow.

It was still awesome (and you still crack me up).

281 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:03:42pm

re: #280 Joanne

Wow.

It was still awesome (and you still crack me up).

Thanks!

282 Joanne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:04:28pm

re: #275 William Barnett-Lewis

I've already voted for him but otherwise, yeah.

OTOH...
Just in case anyone here thinks there isn't any difference between Obama & Romney

You need to tweet that one!

283 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:04:45pm

re: #278 Joanne

Congrats.

284 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:05:49pm

The Republicans are crying, again:

Republican National Committee alleges voter fraud in Nevada, other swing states

The Republican National Committee sent letters to election officials in Nevada and three other swing states on Thursday alleging “a significant number of cases” where voting machines cast ballots for President Barack Obama when the vote was intended for his Republican challenger, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney.

[...]

Bwahahahaha... they are already warming up the excuse.

285 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:05:59pm

Evening Lizardim. Time for a much-needed mental break amongst all the stress of being a humanoid lizard living in secret among the mortals. Been having some mental breakdowns of late - remarkably similar to the subject of this video, in point of fact. I need a vacation. Or a change of career. Or something.

286 Joanne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:06:44pm

Thanks, guys! :-)

287 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:07:20pm

re: #285 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

{{{Douchie}}}

{{{Fishie}}}}

288 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:07:30pm

re: #275 William Barnett-Lewis

I've already voted for him but otherwise, yeah.

OTOH...
Just in case anyone here thinks there isn't any difference between Obama & Romney

i know some people who would benefit from that

could somebody go over to eschaton and great orange satan and post that for me pleeuzz?

289 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:07:39pm

re: #282 Joanne

You need to tweet that one!

I don't tweet. Go ahead though.

290 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:08:18pm

re: #284 freetoken

The Republicans are crying, again:

Republican National Committee alleges voter fraud in Nevada, other swing states

Bwahahahaha... they are already warming up the excuse.

I do so love wingnut tears. They are bitter, but I love them all the same.

291 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:08:44pm

re: #289 William Barnett-Lewis

I don't tweet. Go ahead though.

that's good becuz i eats things that tweet

292 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:09:00pm

re: #290 moderatelyradicalliberal

It just seems to me that the RNC is already floating excuses, to be ready for next Tuesday night.

293 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:10:10pm

re: #291 engineer cat

that's good becuz i eats things that tweet

Heh. I need to get out and chase some mallards with my 16 gauge...

294 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:11:18pm

re: #292 freetoken

It just seems to me that the RNC is already floating excuses, to be ready for next Tuesday night.

The GOP and rightwing media are pretty lucky. No matter how much they lie to and mislead their voters and supporters, when things don't go the way they said it would they can always blame some black guy.

//

295 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:11:48pm

re: #287 wrenchwench

{{{Douchie}}}

{{{Fishie}}}}

Thanks. Although perhaps at this point in time, Douchie is a good moniker. Hopefully I'll be able to get everything straightened out.

296 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:12:04pm

couldja be sure to shoot some holes in mallard fillmore's shorts for me?

297 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:12:53pm

In 2008 Obama won 52.9% of the popular vote.

Contrary to the delusions of the wingnuts, the American populace at large aren't really that upset with Obama. Maybe some slight disenchantment here or there, but not the hate the flows so easily from the rabid right.

So, why wouldn't Obama get roughly the same number of votes this year?

The only way the Republicans then could win, not having a candidate that engages anyone positively, is to try and keep Obama voters from the polls.

This has been known for some time, and that is exactly why all these "voter ID" and "VOTER FRAUD!!" memes have been pushed so hard the past two years.

298 Joanne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:13:17pm

re: #289 William Barnett-Lewis

I don't tweet. Go ahead though.

Done. Done. Done. Done. DONE! (Was that in tune?)

299 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:13:18pm

voter fraud

oh, i know!!!

what phrase will we all hear ten thousand times a day if obama is relected?

300 b_snark  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:14:43pm

re: #248 freetoken

A very desperate attempt to hold on to the dual-nature view of humans:

'Near-death experiences occur when soul leaves nervous system'

AUTHORITY!!

The mind/body concept, with the mind also considered the soul, has an impact on a lot of policies - everything from incarceration to abortion.

301 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:14:48pm

re: #297 freetoken

On that topic, Minnesota's battleground is heating up, with a Voter ID referendum and an anti-same-sex marriage amendment on the ballot this year. Voter turnout here in the wild north country should be at an all-time high. For a point of reference - I heard a pro-Voter ID commercial say that 31 states already have voter ID laws. Is this true, and are there any details that make them different from the current wave of voter ID laws?

302 Joanne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:15:10pm

re: #299 engineer cat

voter fraud

oh, i know!!!

what phrase will we all hear ten thousand times a day if obama is relected?

Only if you pay attention to lunatics.

303 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:15:20pm

re: #299 engineer cat

The wingnuts have spent 4 years trying to de-legitimize Obama as President, and they're not about to stop now.

304 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:16:10pm

re: #284 freetoken

Joanne linked to something similar earlier today. But it was Republicans who were fucking with the machines. This is why the Wife and I will be asking for a PAPER ballot, yet again, this year. I don't trust these machines.

Joanne, take it away.

305 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:16:27pm

re: #301 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

I don't keep up with the details of voter ID laws in the states, but I'm sure there's someone around here who probably has what you're looking for.

306 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:16:40pm

re: #297 freetoken

In 2008 Obama won 52.9% of the popular vote.

Contrary to the delusions of the wingnuts, the American populace at large aren't really that upset with Obama. Maybe some slight disenchantment here or there, but not the hate the flows so easily from the rabid right.

So, why wouldn't Obama get roughly the same number of votes this year?

The only way the Republicans then could win, not having a candidate that engages anyone positively, is to try and keep Obama voters from the polls.

This has been known for some time, and that is exactly why all these "voter ID" and "VOTER FRAUD!!" memes have been pushed so hard the past two years.

There seems to always be some code language in America that basically boils down to black and/or brown people are stealing something from white people. I guess the 21st century version of that is "voter fraud" because low-income and minority neighborhoods seem to be the only places where Republicans think voter fraud is happening.

307 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:18:24pm

re: #299 engineer cat

voter fraud

oh, i know!!!

what phrase will we all hear ten thousand times a day if obama is relected?

If it's a legitimate election, the right-wing has ways to shut that whole thing down.

308 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:18:26pm

re: #305 freetoken

I don't keep up with the details of voter ID laws in the states, but I'm sure there's someone around here who probably has what you're looking for.

You rang?

[Link: www.ncsl.org...]

309 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:18:31pm

re: #300 b_sharp

The mind/body concept, with the mind also considered the soul, has an impact on a lot of policies - everything from incarceration to abortion.

Certainly.

The dualists, and in fundamentalist Christianity that includes the tri-partite folk, know what is at stake, and that is why they so vigorously defend issues like ID.

A purely material universe is very scary to them.

310 b_snark  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:18:57pm

re: #258 darthstar

Fuckin' sharks...first one was well south of us in Santa Barbara...but this one was well north of us in Eureka. This is making my wife less happy about my desire to surf on weekends.

Image: 10457_2504609952066_578206281_n.jpg

Dude, you are invading their turf. When they crawl on land to bite your ass, then complain.

311 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:20:30pm

re: #304 Only The Lurker Knows

Joanne linked to something similar earlier today. But it was Republicans who were fucking with the machines. This is why the Wife and I will be asking for a PAPER ballot, yet again, this year. I don't trust these machines.

Joanne, take it away.

Electronic voting machines are my pet peeve. Voting proceeds normally for at least a hundred years in the rest of the civilized world until Florida goes and screws it up.

The impracticality just blows my mind. If the hurricane had come in a week later, the precincts would be scrambling to find a backup power source.

Computers are good for some things, this ain't it.

312 Joanne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:20:46pm

re: #301 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

There are a lot of ID laws on the books. I don't think photo IDs are a part of all of them.

I am not opposed to them, myself. What I am opposed to is creating them 90 days prior to an election (even a year before!) with no specifics as to what is needed, and then putting impediments in the way of people getting said IDs. Poor people and elderly should not have to pay for them (if you're on welfare or SocSec). And what is acceptable as an ID to get an ID is costly and sometimes beyond difficult to get (birth certificates are difficult to obtain for many elderly who were born in another state or before records were kept as they are now. Too many stories about elderly having a really rough go to get what is needed to vote.)

If they want new laws, they should go into effect just after an election and then be advertised thoroughly, and requirements stated at all government offices (welfare, SocSec, Medicare/caid, etc.)

313 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:20:57pm

I see Sarah Palin is still calling the President and hanging up to get his attention.

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

314 Joanne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:21:43pm

re: #304 Only The Lurker Knows

Joanne linked to something similar earlier today. But it was Republicans who were fucking with the machines. This is why the Wife and I will be asking for a PAPER ballot, yet again, this year. I don't trust these machines.

Joanne, take it away.

[Link: www.ukprogressive.co.uk...]

[Link: www.freepress.org...]

[Link: americablog.com...]

315 moderatelyradicalliberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:23:57pm

Heh.

Image: pIH-oYxT1ECB1qqTfscZPA2.jpg

316 freetoken  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:26:16pm

Back to the science:

“The day the Mesozoic died”

HHMI Premieres New Film Showcasing One of Science’s Greatest Detective Stories

Film to Debut at NABT Conference

The Howard Hughes Medical Institute will premiere, “The Day the Mesozoic Died,” a new film that chronicles one of science’s greatest detective stories, at this year’s National Association of Biology Teachers (NABT) conference.

The film retraces the extraordinary investigative work behind the stunning discovery that an asteroid struck the Earth 66 million years ago, triggering the mass extinction of dinosaurs and many other species of animals, plants and microorganisms. The Mesozoic Era, sometimes referred to as the Age of Reptiles, lasted from approximately 250-66 million years ago.

[...]

I've not watched all of it... but here is a link to the video, in three parts:

[Link: media.hhmi.org...]

Good enough quality to watch full screen.

317 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:26:18pm

re: #189 Joanne

Haven't they been trying this in Venice, Italy for decades? Perhaps it is a different type of solution, but I have seen numerous solutions tried in Venice to no avail.

It has been successfully implemented in the Netherlands. Venice is a different case, since it was built on unstable ground to begin with.

318 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:27:19pm

While I'm ranting about voting machines, it's the nature of electronics to fail after a couple of decades or so. Electrolytic capacitors, which almost everything has, are only rated for 15 years by electronic manufacturers. It blows my mind that reliable mechanical machines we replaced in service by ...what... exactly?

319 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:27:48pm

re: #317 Sheila Broflovski

It has been successfully implemented in the Netherlands. Venice is a different case, since it was built on unstable Hun-free ground to begin with.

Location, location...

320 Stoatly  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:28:38pm

re: #310 b_sharp

Dude, you are invading their turf. When they crawl on land to bite your ass, then complain.

Hunter S. Thompson

It was the Law of the Sea, they said. Civilization ends at the waterline. Beyond that, we all enter the food chain, and not always right at the top.

321 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:28:43pm

re: #312 Joanne

Thanks. I was planning on voting no anyway, but it's nice to know at least some details when trying to parse who's lying and who isn't. I am probably going to stay home from work and vote; I haven't voted in the previous 2 Presidential election cycles, but it's about time for me to exercise my civic duty.

322 Joanne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:29:49pm

re: #317 Sheila Broflovski

It has been successfully implemented in the Netherlands. Venice is a different case, since it was built on unstable ground to begin with.

I didn't think of the Dutch. Yes, those people know water. (I love it there. Such a cool country!)

323 b_snark  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:30:13pm

re: #313 moderatelyradicalliberal

I see Sarah Palin is still calling the President and hanging up to get his attention.

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

I love Obama's humanity, he's more 'down to Earth' than any Republican I've seen, but the Republicans sure hate him for it.

324 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:34:34pm

re: #323 b_sharp

I love Obama's humanity, he's more 'down to Earth' than any Republican I've seen, but the Republicans sure hate him for it.

Compared to Mitt, Paul Ryan, and most of the GOP muckety-mucks, it's not hard, but I feel you.

325 Joanne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:35:10pm

re: #318 dragonath

While I'm ranting about voting machines, it's the nature of electronics to fail after a couple of decades or so. Electrolytic capacitors, which almost everything has, are only rated for 15 years by electronic manufacturers. It blows my mind that reliable and repairable machines in service were scrapped in favor of ...what... exactly?

And many have no audit trail. I wouldn't have as much of an issue if they did.

Ok, I am gonna let my geek flag fly. Here's my concept of EV machines.

You vote and get a number. That number correlates to your vote which is accessible online and shows how you voted in all catagories. If you voted on paper, it is scanned at the polling place and attached to the online record. It has an audit trail built in to capture any alterations to the vote.

326 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:39:08pm

Hey everyone!

Heard a wrenching stay in the driveway story on All Things Considered this afternoon.

A reporter got an email from a friend of a friend of a friend etc. asking for someone to check on his Aunt on the 8th floor of a project in lower Manhattan. 87 (or similar) lady living by herself. Has not had power, left the place, had a phone call since the storm.

No elevators working of course, the reporter/neighbor walked up the 8 floors & knocked on her door. Let her use her cell to call her maid of honor from her wedding 60 years ago who lives in Brooklyn, or somewhere abouts - with power.

The ball got rolling, she's staying with relatives now (There was a bit of a battle to get her out of her home)

There was another story about meals on wheels walking up 25 floors to an elderly man stuck in his apartment without power/water/food.

I'm very concerned for these many "silent" people.

327 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:41:38pm

re: #326 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

Wrenching?!?

/

Still waiting to hear from CuriousLurker....

328 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:42:56pm

Bottom Line. I don't trust these machines. They are to easily screwed with and the Manufactures (Diebold, I am looking at you, as well as others) still refuse to release their software for proper vetting by Security Professionals.

Why? If their machines/software are so damn good, why not let outsiders look at them and render a verdict.

Short answer. Hardware good/reliable. Software, not so much.

329 JRCMYP  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:44:31pm

Can you imagine him as president under pressure? If being asked about his religion--something that's he's reasonably been asked thousands of times--freaks him out like this and makes him this defensive, how will he react to being challenged by anyone or anything?

330 b_snark  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:44:57pm

re: #327 wrenchwench

Wrenching?!?

/

Still waiting to hear from CuriousLurker....

I wouldn't worry too much about CL. If anyone has the ability to deal with the storm and go on to help others, it would be her.

331 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:45:24pm

re: #327 wrenchwench

Wrenching?!?

/

Still waiting to hear from CuriousLurker....

I know, I realized after I typed. You are a dual meaning chick.

CL hasn't checked in? Not since?

332 Joanne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:46:21pm

re: #327 wrenchwench

Wrenching?!?

/

Still waiting to hear from CuriousLurker....

FEMA is supposed to be going door-to-door in all affected areas.

333 b_snark  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:46:44pm

re: #331 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

I know, I realized after I typed. You are a dual meaning chick.

CL hasn't checked in? Not since?

Have either of you sent her an email? If you haven't, let me know and I'll do so.

334 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:50:18pm

re: #333 b_sharp

Have either of you sent her an email? If you haven't, let me know and I'll do so.

please.

335 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:50:33pm

re: #328 Only The Lurker Knows

Typography geekery: I noticed the voting machines at my precinct use the font from "2001: The Space Odyssey" on the keyboard... you know, the kind that were used on the HAL computer.

I still don't know if that's kind of patronizing or creepy.

336 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:50:52pm

re: #332 Joanne

FEMA is supposed to be going door-to-door in all affected areas.

It's rad. I just hope neighbors are being neighborly. If an old person was down the hall from me......

337 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:52:02pm

re: #333 b_sharp

Have either of you sent her an email? If you haven't, let me know and I'll do so.

I have and Daniel B. has.

Later, lizards.

Image: XephiIDBLU-hWK5k6opx-g2.jpg

338 Joanne  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:52:16pm

re: #336 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

It's rad. I just hope neighbors are being neighborly. If an old person was down the hall from me......

Yes, that is the best way...if there are neighbors there.

339 Charles Johnson  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:52:37pm

re: #333 b_sharp

Have either of you sent her an email? If you haven't, let me know and I'll do so.

I sent her a DM on Twitter earlier today, nothing yet.

340 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:55:02pm

A whole lot of people around here are showing signs of PTSD, complete with the 500 yard stare and other issues due to lack of sleep, power, and their entire world turned upside down.

It's similar to what happened after Katrina for those folks down on the Gulf Coast, or even a microcosm of what happened following 9/11 here in the NYC metro area with a combination of people who couldn't process what they've witnessed and are experiencing plus those who ran full tilt towards the danger to help others.

This disaster has brought out the best and worst in people - as witnessed by innumerable acts of kindness as well as looting and other criminal activities or the simple act of cutting a line to get gas.

I've spoken with relatives who live out on LI and it's worse than you can possibly imagine out there. Entire neighborhoods are wiped out. Long Beach LI? Gone. Sure, the apartment buildings are still standing, but everything else is heavily damaged. No potable water. No working sewage systems. No power. Spotty cell phone service. Inland, the flooding wasn't as bad, but in places like Happauge the entire tree canopy is gone. And with it the utilities and many homes.

Rinse and repeat up and down LI into CT and across NY's Hudson Valley and down through NJ into MD and DE and PA.

Things are gonna suck hard around here - and the major accomplishments like dewatering the MTA tunnels still seem like small peanuts compared to the fact that millions remain without power.

This needs to be a wakeup call to reconsider building codes, zoning, and land use across all of our coastlines. Building on barrier islands may provide a pretty view, but those islands were, are, and continue to be transitory no matter how much we wish them to remain forever unchanged. All it takes is a good storm to rearrange the coast.

Sandy was just that kind of storm. And those storms will happen again.

For the East Coast and NYC metro area, this was our generation's Long Island Express (the 1938 storm that killed hundreds and tore apart Long Island before slamming through New England).

341 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:56:52pm

re: #340 lawhawk

{lawhawk} It's good to hear from you and from our other resident East Coasters. I've been worried about all y'all.

342 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:57:20pm

re: #340 lawhawk

Damn.

343 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:58:24pm

re: #318 dragonath

While I'm ranting about voting machines, it's the nature of electronics to fail after a couple of decades or so.

No, they fail after 1 week of being delivered on site.

Electrolytic capacitors, which almost everything has, are only rated for 15 years by electronic manufacturers.

Bullshit. Put one of those puppies next to a 10 watt power resistor, and they will fail within 6-7 months.

It blows my mind that reliable mechanical machines we replaced in service by ...what... exactly?

Ummmmmm. Easily manipulated pieces of trash?

344 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 5:59:50pm

re: #340 lawhawk

And thanks.

Hang in there. Help everyone else that you can hang in there.

345 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:02:39pm

To give some idea of just how random the devastation was, my brother had to deal with only flooding to his garage and having to clear out mud and sand. Most of his landscaping was torn away (it was newly installed a few weeks back).

But a few houses away? Apparently a propane tank came free somewhere closer to the coast, washed inland, and blew up.

Our block had power uninterrupted? Next block over? Multiple trees down, and no word on when they're getting power back.

A tree will topple here and take out a car or a house. Elsewhere, it may drop between two homes without damaging anything else.

The closer you got to the coast - the more complete the devastation. We didn't nearly have the winds in Bergen that were experienced elsewhere. My BiL said that it sounded and looked just like a tornado hit. Complete and utter devastation.

At least no one I know was hurt; we can always replace stuff.

346 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:02:41pm

re: #340 lawhawk

I am kind of reminded of previous situations. Things go OK for 3-4 days then people start to crack up. I hope things go better this time.

347 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:06:28pm

re: #339 Charles Johnson

Power and cell/internet access can be spotty. Anything I can do?

348 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:08:00pm

re: #346 Killgore Trout

If reports from Staten Island are correct, we are at that point now.

There is so much damage to the grid, it will be a while to fix that.

349 dragonath  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:10:53pm

On a positive note, Sandy blew away all the political yard signs.

350 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:12:42pm

re: #349 dragonath

On a positive note, Sandy blew away all the political yard signs.

Heh. I found it rather telling that the north shore of Lake Minnetonka, one of the richest neighborhoods in all of Minnesota, is lined with Romney/Ryan signs. At this stage, if the obscenely rich are voting for somebody, I'm going to think twice before I do the same.

351 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:13:52pm

re: #333 b_sharp

Have either of you sent her an email? If you haven't, let me know and I'll do so.

I sent her an email this afternoon. Of course if the power is out she won't see it unless she goes someplace where there is Internet.

352 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:14:22pm

re: #351 Sheila Broflovski

I just did the same.

353 b_snark  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:15:13pm

re: #351 Sheila Broflovski

I sent her an email this afternoon. Of course if the power is out she won't see it unless she goes someplace where there is Internet.

Cell phone.

354 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:16:04pm

re: #340 lawhawk

This should be updinged like forever.

355 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:19:05pm

Hate to be a further downer, but we got an email today from one of our vendors who's in New Jersey, and we among many many others are waiting for our product to be shipped.

His email, describing how all the people in his company were affected and how they were trying, trying to fulfill the orders/shipments actually made me cry reading it.

Commerce is bullshit when people are hurting. It all will wait.

356 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:19:30pm

re: #354 Sheila Broflovski

I think I'm going to page that and a couple other posts/observations.

It's my way of coping/dealing with everything. I write.

357 b_snark  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:19:51pm

I swore a while ago I would never give WUWT another hit, so has anyone been there within the last couple of days to see how the 'Sandy is nothing to worry about' band of idiots is responding?

358 b_snark  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:20:29pm

re: #356 lawhawk

I think I'm going to page that and a couple other posts/observations.

It's my way of coping/dealing with everything. I write.

You're extremely good at it.

359 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:22:38pm

My friends from west of Sandy Hook are in a pickle. 1st floor of the unit they rent got inundated (4' of water). That flooded out the furnace and hot water heater of both sides of the duplex. Most of the 1st floor furnishings and objects are toast. (They evacuated most of the electronics and more valuable items upstairs before getting out themselves.)

Still no power (of course). And finding a rental or hotel to reside in temporarily is problematic due to their dog (100 lb German Shepherd) who is currently being boarded. And they won't settle back in to the current abode without heat and power since they have a 4-year-old child.

360 uncah91  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:22:40pm

re: #328 Only The Lurker Knows

Bottom Line. I don't trust these machines. They are to easily screwed with and the Manufactures (Diebold, I am looking at you, as well as others) still refuse to release their software for proper vetting by Security Professionals.

Why? If their machines/software are so damn good, why not let outsiders look at them and render a verdict.

Short answer. Hardware good/reliable. Software, not so much.

I'm a big fan of Electronically scanned paper ballots. Easy to test, easy to recount, easy to hand count if needed.

California (or one of the CA counties) has a process I really like. They pull a random machine from each precinct on election day and hold a mock election on that machine thoughout the day. At the end of the day they know what the totals should be. So it is an election day audit to make sure no machine has been tampered with before the actual election...

361 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:23:10pm

Check it out

362 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:24:41pm

I just posted to an ex-mormon friend of mine. I haven't asked her her stance, although I know she is voting for Obama.

How is everyone this evening?

363 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:26:35pm

re: #362 Gretchen G.Tiger

I just posted to an ex-mormon friend of mine. I haven't asked her her stance, although I know she is voting for Obama.

How is everyone this evening?

Good karma day.

At the Halloween gathering last night there was a "guess the number of candy corn in the jar" contest. I won - the jar of candy corn. So the 4-year-old refugee I am housing now has a candy supply. ;)

364 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:26:58pm

re: #363 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Good karma day.

At the Halloween gathering last night there was a "guess the number of candy corn in the jar" contest. I won - the jar of candy corn. So the 4-year-old refugee I am housing now has a candy supply. ;)

:)

365 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:28:49pm

re: #328 Only The Lurker Knows

Bottom Line. I don't trust these machines. They are to easily screwed with and the Manufactures (Diebold, I am looking at you, as well as others) still refuse to release their software for proper vetting by Security Professionals.

Why? If their machines/software are so damn good, why not let outsiders look at them and render a verdict.

Short answer. Hardware good/reliable. Software, not so much.

there should be a law requiring that voting machine software source code be inspected and passed on as acceptable, and that the object code installed on the machine should be certified to be from that source, and the input sealed until after the data is shook out

if there isn't such a requirement i don't know why

366 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:30:19pm

The Road to November 6th: President Obama in Boulder, CO

Youtube Video

Starts in 15 minutes.

367 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:30:21pm

I'm sure this has been covered and I just didn't see or register it.

How is the East Coast area affected by Sandy going to vote?

368 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:30:43pm

re: #341 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

{lawhawk} It's good to hear from you and from our other resident East Coasters. I've been worried about all y'all.

It's weird here in Westchester. Quite a few without power, but most of it's all good. Starting to feel the gas crunch, though.

369 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:32:30pm

re: #317 Sheila Broflovski

It has been successfully implemented in the Netherlands. Venice is a different case, since it was built on unstable ground to begin with.

one advantage venice has is that it is in italy where all the floors are made of marble, except for the rare cases where they use terazzo

i imagine italians have feets trouble tho...

370 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:33:52pm

re: #367 Gretchen G.Tiger

I'm sure this has been covered and I just didn't see or register it.

How is the East Coast area affected by Sandy going to vote?

I asked that today. My friends are looking into what they have to do in order to absentee vote. For NJ, it looks like they can do an absentee up to Monday by submitting a form with the county clerk in person. Things are past the deadline for applying for a mail-in absentee ballot.

What the polling places without power are going to do is a good question.

371 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:34:02pm

re: #367 Gretchen G.Tiger

I'm sure this has been covered and I just didn't see or register it.

How is the East Coast area affected by Sandy going to vote?

Unlike the wingnuts, I've held off on such comments to this point because I didn't want to make it seem as though I was putting politics above people affected by Sandy.

That said, I do wonder how this might affect the elections next week, since NY and NJ tend to go Democratic, IIRC.

372 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:35:01pm

re: #367 Gretchen G.Tiger

Not sure. I would imagine Lower Manhattan being the last place to get power back. You know, with the substation having done its best imitation of a malfunctioning fireworks factory.

373 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:35:50pm

Hmm. Can you run voting machines off portable generators? And therefore distribute those out and use them?

374 uncah91  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:36:16pm

re: #365 engineer cat

there should be a law requiring that voting machine software source code be inspected and passed on as acceptable, and that the object code installed on the machine should be certified to be from that source, and the input sealed until after the data is shook out

if there isn't such a requirement i don't know why

I don't particularly mind that, but there are really broader fish to fry. The voting "machinery" in each state and county needs to be professional, not political. Have the Secretary of State oversee and certify voting should go the way of the dodo. The office of director of the board of elections should be a professional, appointed position that is subject to approval by the legislative body I the state. Overall, the commitment needs to be made to make the organizations responsible for overseeing elections professional and neutral.

375 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:36:44pm

re: #367 Gretchen G.Tiger

I'm sure this has been covered and I just didn't see or register it.

How is the East Coast area affected by Sandy going to vote?

democratic

376 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:36:53pm

re: #371 MittDoesNotCompute

I think the chances are increased for a weird result.

Like Obama getting 303 Electoral Votes, but depressed turnout in New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut leading to Romney getting more popular votes.

377 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:37:49pm

re: #370 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

They're planning on getting schools going again next week in most areas, and schools are usually polling places, as are police stations, fire stations, or similar public buildings. They can bring in generators in other areas - we'll find a way to get them done.

378 b_snark  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:38:16pm

re: #367 Gretchen G.Tiger

I'm sure this has been covered and I just didn't see or register it.

How is the East Coast area affected by Sandy going to vote?

Hopefully, Dem.

Just kidding.
They have several days before the 6th so although early voting is probably toast, they should be able to arrange venues and transportation by that time.

379 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:38:33pm

bbl

380 aagcobb  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:38:41pm

Nate Silver has updated his stats in the last hour. Obama's odds have improved to over 80%, and his leading is solidifying in most of the battleground states, and Florida is a toss-up with a slight Romney lead. Thank God Obama won't need it.

381 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:39:18pm

re: #371 MittDoesNotCompute

Unlike the wingnuts, I've held off on such comments to this point because I didn't want to make it seem as though I was putting politics above people affected by Sandy.

That said, I do wonder how this might affect the elections next week, since NY and NJ tend to go Democratic, IIRC.

Obama is up so far in the impacted states that there's zero chance of the storm selectively depressing enough Dem votes only to swing things in Mitt's favor. With four days left before polls open and both Obama and FEMA getting high marks for their response it's not even clear that Sandy won't increase patriotic sentiment and boost turnout.

382 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:39:38pm

re: #373 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Hmm. Can you run voting machines off portable generators? And therefore distribute those out and use them?

Paper ballot and locked ballot box, like they used back in the days before electricity.

383 Gus  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:39:45pm

Mr. Burns Endorses Romney

Youtube Video
384 b_snark  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:40:11pm

re: #375 engineer cat

democratic

Damn, you stole my joke.

385 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:40:39pm

re: #380 aagcobb

Nate Silver has updated his stats in the last hour. Obama's odds have improved to over 80%, and his leading is solidifying in most of the battleground states, and Florida is a toss-up with a slight Romney lead. Thank God Obama won't need it.

i hear he's gonna sell it to albania

386 engineer cat  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:41:05pm

re: #384 b_sharp

Damn, you stole my joke.

you get to do the rimshot

387 uncah91  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:41:29pm

re: #382 Sheila Broflovski

Paper ballot and locked ballot box, like they used back in the days before electricity.

Oh, there is another reason I like electronically scanned paper ballots. You can mark them "now" and scan them later in event of loss of power, etc.

388 b_snark  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:41:33pm

re: #386 engineer cat

you get to do the rimshot

That's what she said?

389 kirghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:41:58pm

re: #381 goddamnedfrank

Obama is up so far in the impacted states that there's zero chance of the storm selectively depressing enough Dem votes only to swing things in Mitt's favor. With four days left before polls open and both Obama and FEMA getting high marks for their response it's not even clear that Sandy won't increase patriotic sentiment and boost turnout.

My concern isn't particularly in regard to the presidential race but more down-ticket. Especially as you get down to state and local offices.

390 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:42:42pm

re: #377 lawhawk

They're planning on getting schools going again next week in most areas, and schools are usually polling places, as are police stations, fire stations, or similar public buildings. They can bring in generators in other areas - we'll find a way to get them done.

Won't do much good if people can't get to the polls (or work, or anywhere else) because the transportation infrastructure is still mangled. However, I have faith that repair crews are doing all they can.

391 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:42:43pm

re: #377 lawhawk

They're planning on getting schools going again next week in most areas, and schools are usually polling places, as are police stations, fire stations, or similar public buildings. They can bring in generators in other areas - we'll find a way to get them done.

Yah, I'm not to stressed about this. Democracy will be the last thing they let be affected. It's who we are.

I'm having an emotional moment. All afternoon.

392 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:43:43pm

re: #372 ProGunLiberal

Actually, it's probably going to be quicker than many other locations. Being the financial capital of the world/nation will mean that they'll expedite repairs to the grid. I found out that my building in Manhattan should have power back tomorrow afternoon and it's near Ground Zero. They're working to restart the 14th Street power station, and when that comes online, that would restore power to much of lower Manhattan not covered by other portions of the grid (and that would also help get subways restored below 34th).

It'll be a problem for those on the periphery. Those who are in the suburbs or those on the barrier islands or shore communities where things are more spread out.

393 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:43:49pm

re: #381 goddamnedfrank

Obama is up so far in the impacted states that there's zero chance of the storm selectively depressing enough Dem votes only to swing things in Mitt's favor. With four days left before polls open and both Obama and FEMA getting high marks for their response it's not even clear that Sandy won't increase patriotic sentiment and boost turnout.

From your lips to G-d's ears, I certainly hope you're right.

394 aagcobb  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:45:21pm

re: #376 ProGunLiberal

I think the chances are increased for a weird result.

Like Obama getting 303 Electoral Votes, but depressed turnout in New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut leading to Romney getting more popular votes.

I think the momentum is with the President now; from the polling, it looks like he will win the national popular vote as well as the EC. Unless Gallup is right and every other poll is wrong.

395 Stanghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:46:35pm

re: #383 Gus

Mr. Burns Endorses Romney

[Embedded content]

There's a binder of women on the table! That among all the other zings, L O L

396 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 6:48:48pm

re: #393 MittDoesNotCompute

From your lips to G-d's ears, I certainly hope you're right.

Bear in mind that far and away the hardest hit part of NY was Long Island which also happens to be the most Republican leaning.

397 Only The Lurker Knows  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:38:08pm

Night Lizards. Iron Fist Rule.

398 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:39:56pm

re: #248 freetoken

A very desperate attempt to hold on to the dual-nature view of humans:

'Near-death experiences occur when soul leaves nervous system'

AUTHORITY!!

Not those bloody microtubules again. Hameroff, years ago, upon being informed that the in-brain quantum effects he was referring to were many orders of magnitude weaker than what would be required for his theory to work, responded with something like "I can make up those orders of magnitude on the back of a postcard in no time".

SCIENTIFIC METHOD IN ACTION FOLKS!/

399 John Q  Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:09:38pm

I believe this is from the same interview:

Youtube Video

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