The latest update from Nate Silver’s poll aggregation system is now giving Barack Obama an 80 percent chance of winning the electoral college vote.
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Kragar Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:33:27pm |
Dick Morris: Romney will win in a 'landslide'
O'REILLY: You're standing by -- wait, Morris, wait. I only have a few minutes with you. So you are standing by your prediction of a Romney landslide?
MORRIS: Absolutely. Romney will win this election by 5 to 10 points in the popular vote. And will carry more than 300 electoral votes.
O'REILLY: All right. Now you know, Morris, I have you booked for one week from tonight. One week from tonight.
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dragonath Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:33:50pm |
I see Romney is making his very own Pickett's Charge into Pennsylvania.
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Kragar Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:36:37pm |
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jaunte Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:39:50pm |
"Two paths diverged on a graph, and I took the one with the positive slope."
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:40:33pm |
re: #2 dragonath
I see Romney is making his very own Pickett's Charge into Pennsylvania.
Even if his chances are 20% (I believe they are fully double that), he still has better odds than did Pickett. Pickett's Charge never had more than a 5% chance, since it could only succeed if Gen. Hancock and the Union forces holding the center of the Army of the Potomac's line screwed up badly. Failing that, Pickett's Charge was doomed.
/Fredericksburg, Fredericksburg!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:41:39pm |
And since the Civil War has come up:
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lawhawk Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:42:29pm |
re: #6 Kragar
Only if it adds up to 613. Everything else is a pretender.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:42:34pm |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
Even if his chances are 20% (I believe they are fully double that), he still has better odds than did Pickett. Pickett's Charge never had more than a 5% chance, since it could only succeed if Gen. Hancock and the Union forces holding the center of the Army of the Potomac's line screwed up badly. Failing that, Pickett's Charge was doomed.
/Fredericksburg, Fredericksburg!
Why do Republicans Hate/doubt Nate Silver?
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calochortus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:43:38pm |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
When I visited Gettysburg some years ago and actually stood there in person and looked at where Pickett's Charge happened, I simply couldn't believe that soldiers would march up that slope to the Union lines. It was just unreal.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:44:31pm |
re: #10 Dark_Falcon
And since the Civil War has come up:
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I like Marching Through Georgia better.
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Talking Point Detective Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:44:41pm |
From Sam Wang:
My biggest concern is that the House popular vote and seat count may go in opposite directions. That's antidemocratic and has only happened once since WWII. It's because of redistricting.
It's an interesting point. The Republican work on redistricting has been very successful.
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Interesting Times in Benghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:45:47pm |
This Sunday we set our clocks back 1 hour, or 150 years if you're a Republican.— Path2Enlightenment (@Path2Enlighten) November 2, 2012
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jaunte Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:45:56pm |
Divergence:
Bill Clinton will spend Thursday working for the Obama re-election campaign in Waukesha, Wisconsin.
George W. Bush will spend Thursday in the Cayman Islands, delivering the keynote address at the Cayman Alternative Investment Summit.
[Link: www.nationalmemo.com...]
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darthstar Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:46:28pm |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
Even if his chances are 20% (I believe they are fully double that), he still has better odds than did Pickett.
President Pickett didn't sell his soul on national TV in order to beat a freak obsessed about man-on-dog sex, a crazy woman, a serial philanderer, and a retard who lost his shit over a bottle of maple syrup in the primaries. Oh, wait...there never was a President Pickett.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:49:19pm |
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The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:49:44pm |
re: #19 darthstar
President Pickett didn't sell his soul on national TV in order to beat a freak obsessed about man-on-dog sex, a crazy woman, a serial philanderer, and a retard who lost his shit over a bottle of maple syrup in the primaries. Oh, wait...there never was a President Pickett.
Rick Perry is not retarded.
Retarded people have limitations imposed by biology but learn to cope and thrive. Rick Perry is fucking stupid and puts active effort into remaining fucking stupid. Proud-ignorant and wears it like a badge of honor.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:51:26pm |
re: #14 calochortus
When I visited Gettysburg some years ago and actually stood there in person and looked at where Pickett's Charge happened, I simply couldn't believe that soldiers would march up that slope to the Union lines. It was just unreal.
Their faith is Lee was semi-religious by that point, but that faith was misplaced. Lee FAILed greatly in ordering an attack on the center of the Union line and the troops making the attack were pulverized because of his failure.
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HappyBenghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:51:28pm |
re: #21 The Ghost of a Flea
Rick Perry is not retarded.
Retarded people have limitations imposed by biology but learn to cope and thrive. Rick Perry is fucking stupid and puts active effort into remaining fucking stupid. Proud-ignorant.
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He's also the longest tenured governor in this country which makes one sigh. Saw a trailer via a link from a friend about this new documentary about Texas's education system. Yikes just yikes. Makes me real glad that this guy burned out whatever chance he had of becoming president in the primaries or so I hope.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:51:31pm |
re: #20 Dark_Falcon
Here you go:
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Much appreciated. Sorry but sometimes you need to remind the south that we fought a war about if they could soley determine the fate of this country THEY LOST.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:52:05pm |
Obama's reduced Romney's lead with independents from 8 pts to 3 pts over the last 4 days: publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/11/o...— PublicPolicyPolling (@ppppolls) November 2, 2012
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Charles Johnson Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:52:29pm |
Barack Obama leads Mitt Romney 49-48 based on our national tracking Tuesday-Thursday night. Had been down 1 before: publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/11/o...— PublicPolicyPolling (@ppppolls) November 2, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:53:41pm |
re: #19 darthstar
If its wrong for Ann Coulter to call Barack Obama a 'retard' (and it is), its wrong for you to call Rick Perry a 'retard'. Don't call people that. Call Perry a moron if you want, but stop using that highly offensive word.
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Talking Point Detective Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:53:47pm |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
Even if his chances are 20% (I believe they are fully double that), he still has better odds than did Pickett. Pickett's Charge never had more than a 5% chance, since it could only succeed if Gen. Hancock and the Union forces holding the center of the Army of the Potomac's line screwed up badly. Failing that, Pickett's Charge was doomed.
/Fredericksburg, Fredericksburg!
Out of curiosity - on what basis do you think that Romney's chances are double what Silver predicts?
I've been hawking this like crazy, but I strongly recommend you check out this site:
[Link: election.princeton.edu...]
He bases he predictions on swing state polls and nothing else. His track record is that he has been off by a total of one electoral college vote over the past two presidential elections combined. He has an Obama victory within the 95% CI range.
Even Scott Armstrong at Pollyvote - run by a libertarian predictions expert from Wharton with an excellent track record - has the popular vote margin at a similar gap as Silver (slightly larger, actually):
[Link: pollyvote.forecastingprinciples.com...]
And note this from Pollyvote re: the "Citizens Forecast:"
In a recent study, Andreas Graefe performed this test. He analyzed the accuracy of 190 vote expectation surveys that were conducted between 1932 and 2008. In only 18 of the 190 (9%) surveys did the majority of respondents fail to pick the winner. Across the six elections from 1988 to 2008, vote expectations outperformed four established methods (polls, prediction markets, econometric models, and experts’ judgment) when answering the question that is probably most important to the election observer: who will win? When predicting vote shares, only prediction markets and poll projections were slightly more accurate.
]...]
Since March 2012, when the first survey was published, citizens continuously predicted Obama to win. The respective vote-share prediction derived from the survey ranged from 51.3% to 52.7% for Obama.
What is the analysis you are holding up against these guys?
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HappyBenghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:53:49pm |
Looks like Romentum has been replaced with Obentum- god I hate using candidates names in the word of Momentum. Thanks Joe Lieberman.
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The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:55:53pm |
re: #23 HappyWarrior
Makes me real glad that this guy burned out whatever chance he had of becoming president in the primaries or so I hope.
It's just a shame that removing Rick Perry raises the prospects of Ayatollah Sweatervest and his Tijuana man-on-dog nuptial show.
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HappyBenghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:57:08pm |
re: #30 The Ghost of a Flea
It's just a shame that removing Rick Perry raises the prospects of Ayatollah Sweatervest and his Tijuana man-on-dog nuptial show.
Yeah Santorum would be even worse than Perry probably. Of course, I think Santorum would be a terrible general election candidate.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:57:09pm |
re: #24 jamesfirecat
Much appreciated. Sorry but sometimes you need to remind the south that we fought a war about if they could soley determine the fate of this country THEY LOST.
That's why that song is my Standing Answer to Neo-Confederates.
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engineer cat Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:57:24pm |
re: #1 Kragar
MORRIS: I'll bet that all three of those polls when they came out of the field the raw data showed Romney ahead. They are then giving more weight to the Democrats, less to the Republicans in order to mirror the turnout that, in fact, happened in 2008. Because they're assuming it will be the same turnout in '12.
note to mr morris:
Gallup, October 26, 2012: 2012 U.S. Electorate Looks Like 2008
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 1, 2012 7:58:52pm |
re: #2 dragonath
Oh, got the shivers. Took my kids to Gettysburg a few years back- had my first and only "paranormal" experience there
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HappyBenghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:00:44pm |
Speaking of Gettysburg. 150th anniversary of that next year. Only Civil War veteran in my family tree's unit, a Pennsylvania one at that was disbanded in between the end of the battle of Chancellorsville and Gettysburg. We had a copy of his discharge documentation at my grandmother's house but I haven't seen them since she passed. Hopefully my aunt has them.
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Stanghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:03:25pm |
re: #21 The Ghost of a Flea
Rick Perry is not retarded.
Retarded people have limitations imposed by biology but learn to cope and thrive. Rick Perry is fucking stupid and puts active effort into remaining fucking stupid. Proud-ignorant and wears it like a badge of honor.
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Rick Perry is a stupid fuck who by gift of money and support and enviable cowboy boots, has hid it well.
Until he finally had to participate in a debate.
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b_snark Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:03:43pm |
re: #34 DisturbedEma
Oh, got the shivers. Took my kids to Gettysburg a few years back- had my first and only "paranormal" experience there
I listened to a local radio morning show yesterday, where they had a psychic as a guest. She was regaling them with her ghostly experiences and my first thought was of the hosts, what a pair of gullible idiots. After listening to her for about ten minutes, her technique became more and more defined and my thought changed to - what a crooked shit the psychic is.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:04:00pm |
re: #36 HappyWarrior
Speaking of Gettysburg. 150th anniversary of that next year. Only Civil War veteran in my family tree's unit, a Pennsylvania one at that was disbanded in between the end of the battle of Chancellorsville and Gettysburg. We had a copy of his discharge documentation at my grandmother's house but I haven't seen them since she passed. Hopefully my aunt has them.
Sadly, it may prove that the 150th Anniversary, while bigger than the 140th, will still not compare to the 130th, the reason being that the insurance rates for reenactions have gone up greatly in the years since 1993.
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HappyBenghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:05:26pm |
re: #39 Dark_Falcon
Sadly, it may prove that the 150th Anniversary, while bigger than the 140th, will still not compare to the 130th, the reason being that the insurance rates for reenactions have gone up greatly in the years since 1993.
That's too bad. Buddy of mine I grew up with did some reenacting. In fact, he was going to be an extra in Cold Mountain but ultimately did not because it would mean going to Romania for senior year.
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dragonath Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:06:39pm |
re: #24 jamesfirecat
I'm of two minds about history.
Look how many people go for lost causes and all that, even if it was racist, treasonous, and wrong. In some ways it never really their history to begin with.
History is dangerous... and enlightening, from the right perspective.
I guess the fact that parts of this country are still sort of living the civil war means we can't really laugh at places like Northern Ireland for endless grudges anymore.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:07:23pm |
re: #32 Dark_Falcon
That's why that song is my Standing Answer to Neo-Confederates.
Don't forget to pick up your southern slaveholder murdered by union solders lawn jockey to celebrate next union appreciation month!
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:07:37pm |
re: #36 HappyWarrior
taking my kids there for the event. My 22 year old is a HUGE re: #38 b_sharp
ok I do not BELIEVE in this paranormal bullshit but when my kids tell me that there was someone in a rocking chair wearing a Confederate uniform(I quizzed them) and we were in a hotel on the BATTLEFIELD and I told the "ghost" to go back to bed because I thought he was my 9 year old- ok you believe what you will and I will do likewise
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HappyBenghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:12:52pm |
re: #42 dragonath
I'm of two minds about history.
Look how many people go for lost causes and all that, even if it was racist, treasonous, and wrong. In some ways it never really their history to begin with.
History is dangerous... and enlightening, from the right perspective.
I guess the fact that parts of this country are still sort of living the civil war means we can't really laugh at places like Northern Ireland for endless grudges anymore.
It really is all about who teaches it to you. Who may be a hero in one history may be a villain in another. When I took Irish history in Ireland no less, I got a much different picture of Elizabeth I than I know I would if I had taken British history.
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:15:23pm |
re: #42 dragonath
I'm of two minds about history.
Look how many people go for lost causes and all that, even if it was racist, treasonous, and wrong. In some ways it never really their history to begin with.
History is dangerous... and enlightening, from the right perspective.
I guess the fact that parts of this country are still sort of living the civil war means we can't really laugh at places like Northern Ireland for endless grudges anymore.
The idea of the "lost cause" tickles that part of our brain that likes to entertain "What If?" scenarios. We like to tell ourselves, especially if we're on the losing side, that if things had gone just a bit differently, we'd have won the day.
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HappyBenghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:15:39pm |
McCullough ultimately has it right though when he says history is the story of people. I guess that's why I always enjoyed looking at first hand accounts from regular people in the history courses I took whether it was Chinese women coming of age in the years following the Qing dynasty, German soldiers in WWI, etc.
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HappyBenghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:16:48pm |
I venture to say this. A romantic is someone who was not there for the actual suffering and living of history but is there later to paint the glossy picture for those who were or wish they could have been.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:18:43pm |
re: #40 danarchy
"Congratulations, you have found the portal back to Earth, where a new warrior awaits you. Prepare yourself... to return to Goro's Lair."
If Barack Obama, you face George P. Bush (Jeb Bush's son).
If Mitt Romney, you face Elizabeth Daley (daughter of Richard M. Daley)
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dragonath Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:20:29pm |
re: #48 HappyWarrior
There are people who are gritty and romantic at the same time.
Hunter S. Thompson was a little like that.
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HappyBenghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:21:17pm |
re: #50 dragonath
There are people who are gritty and romantic at the same time.
Hunter S. Thompson was a little like that.
I really need to get into reading him. Not sure what a good starting point would be though.
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aagcobb Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:21:40pm |
re: #46 Targetpractice
The idea of the "lost cause" tickles that part of our brain that likes to entertain "What If?" scenarios. We like to tell ourselves, especially if we're on the losing side, that if things had gone just a bit differently, we'd have won the day.
I have absolutely no doubt that the Confederacy could've won the Civil War if they had adopted the correct strategy. Lee was great on defense, but Pickett's Charge was no fluke; he frequently launched pointless attacks which accomplished nothing but get his men killed, and the South didn't have the manpower to spare.
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:21:43pm |
re: #51 HappyWarrior
I really need to get into reading him. Not sure what a good starting point would be though.
Couple hits of acid should be a good start.
//
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b_snark Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:22:11pm |
re: #44 DisturbedEma
taking my kids there for the event. My 22 year old is a HUGE re: #38 b_sharp
ok I do not BELIEVE in this paranormal bullshit but when my kids tell me that there was someone in a rocking chair wearing a Confederate uniform(I quizzed them) and we were in a hotel on the BATTLEFIELD and I told the "ghost" to go back to bed because I thought he was my 9 year old- ok you believe what you will and I will do likewise
Huh?
You need to flesh that out a bit, I didn't quite follow what you were saying.
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efuseakay Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:22:43pm |
re: #13 jamesfirecat
Why do Republicans Hate/doubt Nate Silver?
I doubt every poll until the one that matters on election day. Is it Wednesday yet?
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HappyBenghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:22:46pm |
re: #53 Targetpractice
Couple hits of acid should be a good start.
//
Meh I'm old fashioned. Whiskey and weed all the way!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:23:50pm |
The fat lady is clearing her throat.
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:23:59pm |
re: #13 jamesfirecat
Why do Republicans Hate/doubt Nate Silver?
He turned the old ways of how elections are run on their collective ear. How do you get the "bandwagon effect" (as Rove termed it) going if there's a guy in the Times who's crunched the numbers and shown that the bandwagon is on blocks?
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b_snark Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:24:38pm |
re: #56 HappyWarrior
Meh I'm old fashioned. Whiskey and weed all the way!
Depends on the time of day, and the mood you want to create.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:24:41pm |
re: #49 Dark_Falcon
"Congratulations, you have found the portal back to Earth, where a new warrior awaits you. Prepare yourself... to return to Goro's Lair."
If Barack Obama, you face George P. Bush (Jeb Bush's son).
If Mitt Romney, you face Elizabeth Daley (daughter of Richard M. Daley)
That was a riff on Mortal Kombat II, which had that line if you completed one of two special tasks. I forget the first, which let you face Smoke, but the second was to win a round using only the Low Kick button, which let you face Jade. I actually managed to do that once, but was not able to beat Jade in the ensuing fight.
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HappyBenghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:25:37pm |
re: #60 Dark_Falcon
That was a riff on Mortal Kombat II, which had that line if you completed one of two special tasks. I forget the first, which let you face Smoke, but the second was to win a round using only the Low Kick button, which let you face Jade. I actually managed to do that once, but was not able to beat Jade in the ensuing fight.
Jade is tough in MKII. I recently got the MK collection for my PS3. Fun times. Still the best fighting series in all of video games.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:25:39pm |
re: #31 HappyWarrior
Yeah Santorum would be even worse than Perry probably. Of course, I think Santorum would be a terrible general election candidate.
Santorum would be a disaster, but is not macho enough to be electable.
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efuseakay Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:25:50pm |
re: #28 Talking Point Detective
Out of curiosity - on what basis do you think that Romney's chances are double what Silver predicts?
I've been hawking this like crazy, but I strongly recommend you check out this site:
[Link: election.princeton.edu...]
He bases he predictions on swing state polls and nothing else. His track record is that he has been off by a total of one electoral college vote over the past two presidential elections combined. He has an Obama victory within the 95% CI range.Even Scott Armstrong at Pollyvote - run by a libertarian predictions expert from Wharton with an excellent track record - has the popular vote margin at a similar gap as Silver (slightly larger, actually):
[Link: pollyvote.forecastingprinciples.com...]
And note this from Pollyvote re: the "Citizens Forecast:"
What is the analysis you are holding up against these guys?
Desperation.
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:26:00pm |
re: #60 Dark_Falcon
That was a riff on Mortal Kombat II, which had that line if you completed one of two special tasks. I forget the first, which let you face Smoke, but the second was to win a round using only the Low Kick button, which let you face Jade. I actually managed to do that once, but was not able to beat Jade in the ensuing fight.
God, talk about memories. I remember when Nintendo got a lot of shit for censoring the blood out of the first MK.
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erik_t Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:26:07pm |
re: #55 efuseakay
I doubt every poll until the one that matters on election day. Is it Wednesday yet?
Intelligent skepticism is a virtue in the eyes of science. One should always be circumspect about the prospect of fully and completely understanding the surrounding world.
Black-and-white data rejection is a vice in the eyes of science. Closing one's eyes and shouting 'NAH NAH NAH WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL IT'S OVER' is technically correct but entirely uninteresting and really brings nothing to the table.
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erik_t Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:27:24pm |
re: #28 Talking Point Detective
Out of curiosity - on what basis do you think that Romney's chances are double what Silver predicts?
He said 'believe', not 'think'.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:27:42pm |
re: #44 DisturbedEma
taking my kids there for the event. My 22 year old is a HUGE re: #38 b_sharp
ok I do not BELIEVE in this paranormal bullshit but when my kids tell me that there was someone in a rocking chair wearing a Confederate uniform(I quizzed them) and we were in a hotel on the BATTLEFIELD and I told the "ghost" to go back to bed because I thought he was my 9 year old- ok you believe what you will and I will do likewise
I suppose I'm a little West County, but the place...that's a lot of death.
Who thought it was a good idea to build a hotel on the battlefield, anyway?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:28:03pm |
re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist
Santorum would be a disaster, but is not macho enough to be electable.
I think he'd rather see himself as a good father than a macho man.
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aagcobb Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:28:16pm |
re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist
Santorum would be a disaster, but is not macho enough to be electable.
Is there any electable Republican right now? Or has the Extreme Right so poisoned the well that there is noone the GOP could've nominated to beat the President?
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dragonath Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:28:33pm |
re: #51 HappyWarrior
He got a little more mellow (in some ways) as has he got older. He wasn't trying to be so opaque. Songs of the Doomed is probably the best place to start if you don't want to start on the heavy stuff.
There's an amazing quote of his that I thought described the 2008 election better than any contemporary political commenter did. Maybe I'll try to find it before election night.
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makeitstopghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:29:06pm |
re: #51 HappyWarrior
I really need to get into reading him. Not sure what a good starting point would be though.
Read the early stuff - his Hell's Angels book is funny and harrowing.
'Fear and Loathing On The Campaign Trail' is also excellent. HST hated Nixon and painted the best portrait of how fucked up Nixon's whole operation was.
I miss Thompson. I wish he would have stuck around long enough to chronicle the Tea Party. He would have owned them.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:29:32pm |
re: #61 b_sharp
She needs a drink.
Nah, she's just preparing to sing.
Either this is all over but the shouting, or Mitt Romney is about to pull off a political miracle of epic proportions.
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ProGunLiberal Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:30:14pm |
Katrina caused approximately $108 Billion in Damage, not counting Inflation (That is $128 Billion today) And about, with the confirmed dead, and the still 135 missing, had a death toll of at least 1,971.
Thus Far, Sandy has 90 dead in the US, in addition to 1 missing. Additionally, 72 died in the Caribbean, with an additional 21 missing in Haiti. Damage amounts have a low bar of $50 Billion in the US, with an additional $400 million (at the least) in the Caribbean.
It looks like we took the poor into account much more than during Katrina, and the death toll will be much lower.
However, while the surge wasn't as high with Katrina, it hit a much more populated area, with more destructive potential. I think it is going to be very close in terms of Damage amounts between Katrina and Sandy. Sandy could very well beat both damage totals.
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:30:27pm |
re: #69 Dark_Falcon
I think he'd rather see himself as a good father than a macho man.
Agreed, I think Santorum might have actually had an easier time of it when arguing topics like the economy. But he likely would have ended up bogged down in social issues before it was all over.
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efuseakay Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:30:45pm |
re: #66 erik_t
Intelligent skepticism is a virtue in the eyes of science. One should always be circumspect about the prospect of fully and completely understanding the surrounding world.
Black-and-white data rejection is a vice in the eyes of science. Closing one's eyes and shouting 'NAH NAH NAH WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL IT'S OVER' is technically correct but entirely uninteresting and really brings nothing to the table.
Only reason I doubt polls during election season... look what the SOS of Ohio is doing... that GOP operative tossing voter rolls (or whatever they were) in the dumpster... etc. etc. etc. People being turned away at the polls... And now with Sandy... Nobody knows what effect that's going to have. Just too much BS and a huge unknown to factor into all the math/analysis.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:30:58pm |
re: #69 Dark_Falcon
I think he'd rather see himself as a good father than a macho man.
Undoubtedly, and I can respect at least that about him. But his manner is not one that can win a primary, let alone a presidential election.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:31:53pm |
re: #62 HappyWarrior
Jade is tough in MKII. I recently got the MK collection for my PS3. Fun times. Still the best fighting series in all of video games.
Indeed. The 3rd MKII special character, Noob Saibot (a reversal of the names of the game's designers, Boon And Tobias), was very hard to fight. You had to win 50 player-vs-player matches in order to face him. He was much like Scorpion and Smoke, except that he was only a black silhouette and so was very hard to see against the dark background of Goro's Liar.
/Ah, memory.
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b_snark Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:31:59pm |
re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist
Santorum would be a disaster, but is not macho enough to be electable.
And he's named after an icky substance - santorum. Ewww.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:32:09pm |
re: #70 aagcobb
Is there any electable Republican right now? Or has the Extreme Right so poisoned the well that there is noone the GOP could've nominated to beat the President?
I think there are Republicans out there who would have been better choices, certainly. But it was a crazy year.
They'll probably be able to field a good candidate in four years, and please God, things will have calmed down a little by then.
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Interesting Times in Benghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:33:00pm |
re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist
I think there are Republicans out there who would have been better choices, certainly. But it was a crazy year.
Each day on Twitter I grok more about just how crazy we've all become.America is now a Felini script directed by David Lynch.— Shoq Value (@Shoq) November 2, 2012
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:33:20pm |
re: #75 Targetpractice
Agreed, I think Santorum might have actually had an easier time of it when arguing topics like the economy. But he likely would have ended up bogged down in social issues before it was all over.
Santorum is a very smart man who would rather be right in the eyes of God than President.
I am happy to let him make that judgement call.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:33:21pm |
re: #79 b_sharp
Don't keep spreading that meme. It's not fair to his children.
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Talking Point Detective Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:33:23pm |
re: #64 efuseakay
Desperation.
My guess is that it's just wishful thinking - not based on any analysis at all.
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danarchy Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:34:28pm |
re: #79 b_sharp
And he's named after an icky substance - santorum. Ewww.
I still feel really bad about all of the perfectly innocent people who shared his name.
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HappyBenghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:34:34pm |
I hope his daughter's health improves. The guy's ideology repulses me but he's a man with a family and no one should have to suffer like that.
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erik_t Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:35:01pm |
re: #83 Dark_Falcon
Don't keep spreading that meme. It's not fair to his children.
Santorum has never demonstrated the slightest hesitance to fuck over the lives of thousands or millions of people around him.
That dirty motherfucker can pound sand. Or spew santorum. Whatever, I don't care. He is a piece of shit. One of the worst human beings ever made famous by this nation.
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steve_davis Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:35:09pm |
re: #9 Dark_Falcon
Even if his chances are 20% (I believe they are fully double that), he still has better odds than did Pickett. Pickett's Charge never had more than a 5% chance, since it could only succeed if Gen. Hancock and the Union forces holding the center of the Army of the Potomac's line screwed up badly. Failing that, Pickett's Charge was doomed.
/Fredericksburg, Fredericksburg!
Ever seen the History Channel special on Gettysburg, where they show the concrete dummies getting blown apart by grape shot? It really just makes you wonder. Those guys had to know they were dying that day, at least after they'd gotten partway across the field.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:35:37pm |
re: #85 danarchy
I still feel really bad about all of the perfectly innocent people who shared his name.
Shared? You mean, until they changed it to Santorini? Or Schlossenberger? Or anything really?
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Mentis Fugit Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:35:50pm |
re: #63 SanFranciscoZionist
Santorum would be a disaster, but is not macho enough to be electable.
Too thin and effeminate?
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b_snark Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:36:07pm |
re: #73 SanFranciscoZionist
Nah, she's just preparing to sing.
Either this is all over but the shouting, or Mitt Romney is about to pull off a political miracle of epic proportions.
And up here, we're in the good seats for the greatest show in the world.
A Quebec poli-sci prof did a study trying to prove a Republic gov't was better for Canada than a Dem gov't.
His hypothesis was falsified.
I saw him on the news but I can't find his report or study online. Aarrgh.
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Talking Point Detective Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:36:27pm |
re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist
I think there are Republicans out there who would have been better choices, certainly. But it was a crazy year.
They'll probably be able to field a good candidate in four years, and please God, things will have calmed down a little by then.
They have a very serious basic structural problem. Then need to appeal to their lunatic base, and they also need to appeal to moderates. I think it will be extremely tough for them to find a candidate that can pull that off.
Who would have had a better chance than Romney?
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b_snark Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:36:41pm |
re: #74 ProGunLiberal
Katrina caused approximately $108 Billion in Damage, not counting Inflation (That is $128 Billion today) And about, with the confirmed dead, and the still 135 missing, had a death toll of at least 1,971.
Thus Far, Sandy has 90 dead in the US, in addition to 1 missing. Additionally, 72 died in the Caribbean, with an additional 21 missing in Haiti. Damage amounts have a low bar of $50 Billion in the US, with an additional $400 million (at the least) in the Caribbean.
It looks like we took the poor into account much more than during Katrina, and the death toll will be much lower.
However, while the surge wasn't as high with Katrina, it hit a much more populated area, with more destructive potential. I think it is going to be very close in terms of Damage amounts between Katrina and Sandy. Sandy could very well beat both damage totals.
Two died in Canuckistan as well.
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aagcobb Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:37:28pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:38:05pm |
re: #86 HappyWarrior
I hope his daughter's health improves. The guy's ideology repulses me but he's a man with a family and no one should have to suffer like that.
She's already beaten all the odds for Edwards. Trisomies suck, but this one is especially nasty.
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:38:22pm |
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danarchy Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:38:34pm |
re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist
Shared? You mean, until they changed it to Santorini? Or Schlossenberger? Or anything really?
heh, perhaps I should have said "share".
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:38:39pm |
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Interesting Times in Benghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:38:48pm |
re: #93 b_sharp
Two died in Canuckistan as well.
Yes! One of them killed in Toronto by a poorly maintained Staples sign that blew off and pinned her underneath
First Romney, now this...I'm going to have to find another place to get electronics and office supplies.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:39:59pm |
re: #92 Talking Point Detective
They have a very serious basic structural problem. Then need to appeal to their lunatic base, and they also need to appeal to moderates. I think it will be extremely tough for them to find a candidate that can pull that off.
Who would have had a better chance than Romney?
A lesser-known governor, a relative unknown, with the ability to mollify the base without saying stupid things, and some grip on middle-class reality.
Or Jeb Bush.
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Interesting Times in Benghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:40:43pm |
If we must disenfranchise voters, can we please make it the ones who are this fucking stupid?
Folks - If you're a Republican harassing NFL writer @mikesilver cuz you think he's Nate Silver, it's time to sit the next couple plays out.— Dave Zirin (@EdgeofSports) November 2, 2012
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b_snark Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:40:46pm |
re: #83 Dark_Falcon
Don't keep spreading that meme. It's not fair to his children.
Yah, I know. I just had a tweet-fight with someone who is a creationist employing their favourite tactic of reversing cause and effect. That was a flippant example of the technique.
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HappyBenghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:41:12pm |
re: #97 Targetpractice
Stupid, sexy Flanders.
//
Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all, nothing at all.
They really do need to have an episode where William H. Macy guest stars as Ned's secret twin brother. Doubt it would happen but I'm with Groening and the writers of the show who think Macy would be the perfect real life Flanders. Saw Fargo again the other night during the storm. Still awesome.
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aagcobb Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:42:13pm |
re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist
A lesser-known governor, a relative unknown, with the ability to mollify the base without saying stupid things, and some grip on middle-class reality.
Or Jeb Bush.
Its too soon. Now '16 looks good for a Clinton/Bush rematch.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:42:19pm |
re: #88 steve_davis
Ever seen the History Channel special on Gettysburg, where they show the concrete dummies getting blown apart by grape shot? It really just makes you wonder. Those guys had to know they were dying that day, at least after they'd gotten partway across the field.
Some of them did know, I'm sure, but they feared being thought a coward far more than they feared death. To have run would have meant disgrace, and most of those men thought death preferable.
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:43:38pm |
re: #108 Dark_Falcon
Some of them did know, I'm sure, but they feared being thought a coward far more than they feared death. To have run would have meant disgrace, and most of those men thought death preferable.
"Honor" seems to be the number one cause of death on the battlefield.
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:44:20pm |
re: #108 Dark_Falcon
despite our differences, based on my actual tour guide experience, I agree gallantry for sure
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:45:02pm |
re: #109 Targetpractice
Especially on the Confederate side according to my tour guide
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Interesting Times in Benghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:46:17pm |
re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist
On a totally OT note, are you doing nano this year?
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:46:52pm |
my now 22 year old, when he was 13, insisted that Gettysberg was the place for a family vacay- it was an awesome time and despite my non belief, I saw a ghost so I guess I am conflicted
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b_snark Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:47:55pm |
re: #113 Interesting Times
On a totally OT note, are you doing nano this year?
I use nano because it's more intuitive than EMACs, vi or even gedit.
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b_snark Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:48:25pm |
re: #114 DisturbedEma
my now 22 year old, when he was 13, insisted that Gettysberg was the place for a family vacay- it was an awesome time and despite my non belief, I saw a ghost so I guess I am conflicted
You actually saw it?
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DisturbedEma Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:49:51pm |
re: #118 b_sharp
yup standing next to my bed at the Battlefield Bed and Breakfast thought it was my son, but he was wearing a gray uniform so not him
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:49:53pm |
re: #111 DisturbedEma
Especially on the Confederate side according to my tour guide
Oh, the Confederates were neither the first or last band of idiots who thought charging into the guns a great tactic. See also: Banzai Charge, The Charge of the Light Brigade, etc.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:51:48pm |
re: #109 Targetpractice
"Honor" seems to be the number one cause of death on the battlefield.
But it is also what allows some soldiers to accomplish incredible feats. It was was the honor ideals of the hoplite, that a proper man should keep him place in the ranks and that he was a far lesser man if he deserted his comrades, that allowed 64 Greeks hoplites in their phalanx, even those from lesser city-states, to take on the soldiers of Xerxes at the wrong end of 3-1 numerical superiority, and win. They won not because of superhuman strength or greatly superior weapons, but because their will to prove themselves worthy of the polis of which they were citizens was far greater than their fear.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:52:17pm |
re: #113 Interesting Times
On a totally OT note, are you doing nano this year?
Maybe. I need to get started properly this weekend if so. Work is very intense right now, and I probably wouldn't finish...so I'm trying to decide if giving it the old college try is worthwhile to me right now.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:53:58pm |
Eat more chicken indeed.
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Gus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:55:24pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:58:56pm |
re: #120 Targetpractice
Oh, the Confederates were neither the first or last band of idiots who thought charging into the guns a great tactic. See also: Banzai Charge, The Charge of the Light Brigade, etc.
Pancho Villa's troops at 2nd Celaya. Villa could not accept that the Federales facing him were steady soldiers and that their combination of the trench, the Mauser, the machine gun, quick-firing artillery, and barbed wire had killed the of infantry or mounted charge stone dead. So he sent the Division del Norte to destruction against entrenched troops over ground preregistered for the Federal artillery and machine guns.
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Gus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:59:33pm |
This will help.
TV stations clean up on political ads lat.ms/TcVyZS— Los Angeles Times (@latimes) November 2, 2012
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efuseakay Thu, Nov 1, 2012 8:59:56pm |
Nightline just had a special about that TP/GOP group True The Vote. A group that sends "poll watchers" to poor minority neighborhoods to look for voter fraud. Wow. Charles. You need to do some digging. This group is dangerous. NL interviewed Catherine Englebrecht. What a snake.
They send out official-sounding letters to poor minority neighborhoods basically telling them they are in eligible to vote because of "Ohio law #####". One lady fought back though and she voted early.
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b_snark Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:00:21pm |
re: #126 Gus
War of the Worlds (2005) clips, Awakening, and a couple of other apocalyptic sci-fis. I decided I would rather face a War of the World instead of an astronomical event.
My favourite movies are apocalyptic sci-fis. I tend to prefer the same in books.
I think I'm going to go grab a snort of snotch.
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Gus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:01:00pm |
re: #130 b_sharp
My favourite movies are apocalyptic sci-fis. I tend to prefer the same in books.
I think I'm going to go grab a snort of snotch.
I'm having some whiskey right meow, hear.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:01:23pm |
re: #129 efuseakay
Nightline just had a special about that TP/GOP group True The Vote. A group that sends "poll watchers" to poor minority neighborhoods to look for voter fraud. Wow. Charles. You need to do some digging. This group is dangerous. NL interviewed Catherine Englebrecht. What a snake.
They send out official-sounding letters to poor minority neighborhoods basically telling them they are in eligible to vote because of "Ohio law #####". One lady fought back though and she voted early.
These are terrible, awful no good rotten people. They can burn in Hell.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:02:39pm |
re: #129 efuseakay
Nightline just had a special about that TP/GOP group True The Vote. A group that sends "poll watchers" to poor minority neighborhoods to look for voter fraud. Wow. Charles. You need to do some digging. This group is dangerous. NL interviewed Catherine Englebrecht. What a snake.
They send out official-sounding letters to poor minority neighborhoods basically telling them they are in eligible to vote because of "Ohio law #####". One lady fought back though and she voted early.
Did anybody ask them why they only go into poor and minority neighborhoods? Or did the MSM decide that that would be rude to imply that they were racist or some shit?
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:03:08pm |
re: #126 Gus
War of the Worlds (2005) clips, Awakening, and a couple of other apocalyptic sci-fis. I decided I would rather face a War of the World instead of an astronomical event.
Ever listened to Jeff Wayne's musical version of War of the Worlds?
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efuseakay Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:03:18pm |
re: #70 aagcobb
Is there any electable Republican right now? Or has the Extreme Right so poisoned the well that there is noone the GOP could've nominated to beat the President?
Mark Kirk (IL) but he had that terrible stroke. :-/
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moderatelyradicalliberal Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:04:58pm |
re: #70 aagcobb
Is there any electable Republican right now? Or has the Extreme Right so poisoned the well that there is noone the GOP could've nominated to beat the President?
Jon Huntsman. But I doubt he could get through a GOP primary.
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Gus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:05:14pm |
re: #135 Targetpractice
Ever listened to Jeff Wayne's musical version of War of the Worlds?
Listening now. Sounds like progressive rock of sorts? I like John Williams.
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efuseakay Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:06:40pm |
re: #134 moderatelyradicalliberal
Did anybody ask them why they only go into poor and minority neighborhoods? Or did the MSM decide that that would be rude to imply that they were racist or some shit?
They asked. And that Catherine chick deflected (As she clenched her jaw.... You could see it.).
I'm sure Nightline will post this online soon if its not up already. No desire for me to look now since I'm mobile. Anyone?
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b_snark Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:06:51pm |
CRAP!*
I have just 1 finger of Scotch left.
(The good die so young.)
*The liquor board stores are all closed right now.
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kirghazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:09:14pm |
re: #52 aagcobb
I have absolutely no doubt that the Confederacy could've won the Civil War if they had adopted the correct strategy. Lee was great on defense, but Pickett's Charge was no fluke; he frequently launched pointless attacks which accomplished nothing but get his men killed, and the South didn't have the manpower to spare.
No. Oh, I used to believe that, but then...
The two nominal avenues to victory both required your point - a defensive war. A war of attrition, with the south constantly losing more (proportionally), till one of two things happened. The first would have been for the North to give up. For it to decide reigning in the south was not worth the meat grinders. Unfortunately for the South, the anaconda plan was viable.
Which left the other hope, that another nation would be moved to come to the aid of the South. Read history - it wasn't going to happen. Despite much noise in Southern legislatures, their international supporters were dilettantes and minor powers within their own borders. Military observers were there for the reason military observers went (and go) to every conflict - to see how war is being waged, to see if new insights in tactics and weaponry can be learned, and to evaluate potential allies/foes.
Had Lee not charged futilely into the North, the south might have been able to last another year, possibly two. Counterweighting the reduced losses would have been the increasing loss of morale as the war was fought only on Southern soil.
Frankly, the south's only real opportunity for success was for Lee to have succeeded in capturing DC, and even better capturing northern Senators and even the President. To strike a blow in the minds of the leaders that led them to capitulate. Because in a straight up war the South was doomed.
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Gus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:09:48pm |
re: #141 b_sharp
CRAP!*
I have just 1 finger of Scotch left.
(The good die so young.)
*The liquor board stores are all closed right now.
Dereliction of duty private!
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b_snark Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:11:14pm |
re: #143 Gus
Dereliction of duty private!
Sorry sir. I should have checked earlier.
I'll open up the vodka.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:12:49pm |
re: #139 Gus
Listening now. Sounds like progressive rock of sorts? I like John Williams.
And it is that feeling Williams provides that any new Star Wars movie must match. For it succeed, the writers must take Timothy Zahn's view, meaning that the fighter combat of the Battle of the Sluis Van Shipyards at the end of Heir to the Empire had to get readers to be hearing in their minds the music john Williams used for the Death Star battles in Episodes IV and VI.
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Mich-again Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:14:41pm |
re: #138 moderatelyradicalliberal
Jon Huntsman. But I doubt he could get through a GOP primary.
Agreed. I think he maybe missed his chance this time by not speaking out against Tea party radicalism during the primaries, which would have appealed to the centrists and moderates in the party, and Huntsman could have staked out that corner all by himself, leaving the rest of the clown car to fight over the Tea Party support.
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bratwurst Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:15:40pm |
One thing I have learned in this election cycle is that whatever follows the words "shock poll" is likely to be utter nonsense. This is certainly true to that form:
Shock poll: Obama could lose Illinois, Romney leads in Chicago suburbs
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:16:22pm |
re: #147 Gus
Something is watching us.
They're here.
"They've come."
[banshee-like scream]
"Nazgul!"
[Fell-Beast roars]
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:17:11pm |
re: #152 bratwurst
One thing I have learned in this election cycle is that whatever follows the words "shock poll" is likely to be utter nonsense. This is certainly true to that form:
Shock poll: Obama could lose Illinois, Romney leads in Chicago suburbs
Tucker Carlson is Still Full of Shit.
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dragonath Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:17:58pm |
re: #129 efuseakay
If I remember correctly, Chief Justice Rehnquist got his start in GOP politics doing almost the same thing, a partial "poll-watcher" in minority neighborhoods.
Rehnquist was actually pretty sick. I think he might have done the most lasting damage to the body politic as it stands now, but almost no one talks about the guy.
Roberts is, frankly, a major improvement.
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Mich-again Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:23:34pm |
re: #157 dragonath
Roberts is, frankly, a major improvement.
I agree. Citizens United is a clusterfuck, but other than that he has done well. I think he wants to de-politicize the court, I give him credit for that.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:23:42pm |
re: #135 Targetpractice
Ever listened to Jeff Wayne's musical version of War of the Worlds?
With Richard Burton as the narrator. :)
I have "Forever Autumn" on my iTunes play list.
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:23:48pm |
re: #157 dragonath
If I remember correctly, Chief Justice Rehnquist got his start in GOP politics doing almost the same thing, a partial "poll-watcher" in minority neighborhoods.
Rehnquist was actually pretty sick. I think he might have done the most lasting damage to the body politic as it stands now, but almost no one talks about the guy.
Roberts is, frankly, a major improvement.
Thought that was most telling with ACA, where (if rumor is to be believe) he broke ranks with his conservative-leaning compatriots because they refused to entertain any decision other than declaring the law unconstitutional in its entirety.
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Gus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:38:12pm |
Some say that Rudolf Anderson's death may have helped save civilization.
13 days.
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Joanne Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:39:11pm |
re: #87 erik_t
Santorum has never demonstrated the slightest hesitance to fuck over the lives of thousands or millions of people around him.
That dirty motherfucker can pound sand. Or spew santorum. Whatever, I don't care. He is a piece of shit. One of the worst human beings ever made famous by this nation.
Exactly. He espouses Christian values but turns away from Christ's teachings, what he dedicated his life to; the poor, downtrodden, abused and those taken advantage of. Santorum is one who takes advantage. He is everything Christ despised.
What was the saying...Your Christians are not like your Christ. Gandhi had that right.
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Joanne Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:42:36pm |
re: #93 b_sharp
Two died in Canuckistan as well.
One in my town. It was shit-my-pants scary here. I did something I've never done before - in my life - I called my husband and asked him to come home because I was so scared.
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Joanne Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:45:04pm |
re: #114 DisturbedEma
my now 22 year old, when he was 13, insisted that Gettysberg was the place for a family vacay- it was an awesome time and despite my non belief, I saw a ghost so I guess I am conflicted
What happened?
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Joanne Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:49:03pm |
re: #129 efuseakay
Rachel Maddow has done a lot on this group. There was a great story (I think on Alternet) about a guy who infiltrated the group (I'm on the phone or I'd google it). FASCINATING read. All snake oil all the time. A scary group to be sure.
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Joanne Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:51:14pm |
re: #136 efuseakay
Mark Kirk (IL) but he had that terrible stroke. :-/
This guy's in my district and I'd never vote for him. While he's no Inhofe or Joe Walsh, he's still pretty right.
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:52:21pm |
re: #32 Dark_Falcon
That's why that song is my Standing Answer to Neo-Confederates.
My standard answer is von Moltke the Elder: Amateurs study tactics. Professionals study logistics.
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prairiefire Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:55:09pm |
re: #169 Joanne
This guy's in my district and I'd never vote for him. While he's no Inhofe or Joe Walsh, he's still pretty right.
I bet my uncle $10 Kirk would lose, and I still owe him.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:55:13pm |
It's looking good for team Obama right now, but we need some insurance. I think I have some.
It's no secret that a lot of wingnuts are not crazy about Mitt. This is especially the case with Evangelicals, who are quite suspicious of his Mormon faith, to say the least.
This presents an opportunity to bring them over to Obama. As with any jackasses, we just have to offer some appropriate carrots:
-No FEMA camp for Obama voters
-Your address deleted from Drone-Contol's Master Target list.
-No gun confiscation in counties with Obama majorities.
-No church closings in the same counties (except GOP megachurches).
-One Bible per family still allowed if any adult member is on the Obama voter list.
-Daughters excluded from the Black Panther marriage lottery.
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Joanne Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:55:28pm |
re: #152 bratwurst
One thing I have learned in this election cycle is that whatever follows the words "shock poll" is likely to be utter nonsense. This is certainly true to that form:
Shock poll: Obama could lose Illinois, Romney leads in Chicago suburbs
No way he loses the Cook County burbs. Parts of Lake and DuPage maybe. Downstate is pretty red, but no way he loses IL.
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Joanne Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:59:01pm |
re: #171 prairiefire
I bet my uncle $10 Kirk would lose, and I still owe him.
I'm sorry. I'm not saying he wouldn't win (I'm in a wealthy - read Republican - area), but *I* wouldn't vote for him.
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prairiefire Thu, Nov 1, 2012 9:59:19pm |
re: #172 Shiplord Kirel
A few Right wingers are throwing around the "10 million" Evangelicals sat out the 2008 election due to lack of enthusiasm. Somehow this implies they would vote for a Mormon, which has less probability. If Sister Sarah could not motivate them, then maybe their voting numbers have actually decreased.
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:04:27pm |
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prairiefire Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:04:44pm |
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SpaceJesus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:05:22pm |
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SpaceJesus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:11:38pm |
conversely, in obama town,
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:14:53pm |
re: #184 SpaceJesus
conversely, in obama town,
"Hello, Romney Campaign HQ? I'd like to donate $1,000 in name of Mr. Freely, first initials I.P."
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Joanne Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:16:17pm |
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Kragar Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:20:13pm |
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Mich-again Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:20:32pm |
re: #186 Joanne
That man always looks angry.
He's listening to a Rush Limbaugh podcast. Whaddya expect? /
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:20:33pm |
re: #136 efuseakay
Mark Kirk (IL) but he had that terrible stroke. :-/
He has recovered enough to attend some Senate sessions, and I believe he will still prove an effective Senator.
re: #171 prairiefire
I bet my uncle $10 Kirk would lose, and I still owe him.
He had the good fortune to face an opponent whose blunders exceeded his own, and who had lost a whole bunch of Bright Start money. Mark Kirk does not favor restrictions on abortion, so many otherwise Democratic women felt that with their uterus not at risk, they could vote their pocketbook.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:22:40pm |
re: #185 Targetpractice
"Hello, Romney Campaign HQ? I'd like to donate $1,000 in name of Mr. Freely, first initials I.P."
Moe: "Hey Guys, I.P. Freely?"
Bar patrons: "Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!"
Moe: "Why you little...!"
/Classic Simpsons
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:24:39pm |
re: #190 Gus
America is an archaic society.
Nope. Not when there are places like Yemen and Pakistan around.
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Kragar Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:24:41pm |
re: #191 Dark_Falcon
Moe: "Hey Guys, I.P. Freely?"
Bar patrons: "Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!"
Moe: "Why you little...!"
/Classic Simpsons
"I'm looking for Chablome, first name Haywood."
"Haywood Chablome?"
"HAHA!"
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Gus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:25:15pm |
re: #192 Dark_Falcon
Nope. Not when there are places like Yemen and Pakistan around.
That's some tough competition right there.
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prairiefire Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:27:54pm |
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ghazidor Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:29:30pm |
It seems the "Obama ordered a stand down and left people to die" guesswork theories of what happened in Benghazi are finally starting to be refuted by factual information.
New timeline of Benghazi attack notes quick response by defenders
A senior intelligence official has issued a new timeline for the events surrounding the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya, indicating a series of tragic miscalculations that left CIA officers exposed at an annex near the consulate -- but no evidence of interference from Washington or of the CIA witholding aid from the State Department, as Republican critics have alleged.
According to the timeline, CIA officials in Libya sent a security team to the consulate within 25 minutes of the report of the attack, and the U.S. military sent an unarmed drone to provide intelligence information...
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Kragar Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:32:40pm |
re: #195 prairiefire
I see "oh, shit" in his eyes.
"Man, I would really feel this song if I could actually feel."
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:35:28pm |
re: #196 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
It seems the "Obama ordered a stand down and left people to die" guesswork theories of what happened in Benghazi are finally starting to be refuted by factual information.
New timeline of Benghazi attack notes quick response by defenders
Even their hopes for an impeachment post-reelection are falling away from the GOP.
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Kragar Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:36:27pm |
There was a buddy of mine who used to man the Help desk when I was at Comm battalion who would answer the phone like this:
"Help desk, PFC Chewbacca speaking, how can I help you?"
".. Who is this?"
"Pfc *name withheld*, how can I help you?"
"I thought.. Didn't you..."
"Can I help you?"
"Um, yeah..."
Did it like 2-3 times a day, never got busted.
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ghazidor Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:37:20pm |
re: #177 SpaceJesus
He is listening to "Learn Chinese at home" audio, gotta study up for his next job as an outsourcing consultant.
/
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Gus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:37:36pm |
re: #196 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
It seems the "Obama ordered a stand down and left people to die" guesswork theories of what happened in Benghazi are finally starting to be refuted by factual information.
New timeline of Benghazi attack notes quick response by defenders
It's not like the movies. Have people forgotten Blackhawk down?
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:39:02pm |
re: #201 Gus
It's not like the movies. Have people forgotten Blackhawk down?
I must admit, I'm rather surprised that there's been no comparisons of Benghazi to Mogadishu.
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Gus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:39:12pm |
If you don't think that will happen under Romney you're a fucking fool. Then again, I've seen many a fool.
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Gus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:39:50pm |
re: #202 Targetpractice
I must admit, I'm rather surprised that there's been no comparisons of Benghazi to Mogadishu.
Try jamming with it.
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Benghazzy Ben Ross Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:40:28pm |
re: #203 Gus
If you don't think that will happen under Romney you're a fucking fool. Then again, I've seen many a fool.
Underestimate RomneyStrength at your peril!
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:41:51pm |
re: #201 Gus
It's not like the movies. Have people forgotten Blackhawk down?
The effects of friction and the fog of war are lost on most people. You need to do a moderate bit of studying military history to understand those concepts.
The concept of opposing sides adapting to each other and the dynamic frustration that can produce is an even harder concept for an American to grasp unless they can find a better source of information than the mass media.
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Gus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:44:16pm |
re: #206 Dark_Falcon
The effects of friction and the fog of war are lost on most people. You need to do a moderate bit of studying military history to understand those concepts.
The concept of opposing sides adapting to each other and the dynamic frustration that can produce is an even harder concept for an American to grasp unless they can find a better source of information than the mass media.
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Gus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:46:46pm |
I'm not blind. Wasn't born a fool. I can see through the surface.
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:47:56pm |
re: #210 Gus
I'm not blind. Wasn't born a fool. I can see through the surface.
Is there a dream within a dream within a dream?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:48:16pm |
re: #202 Targetpractice
I must admit, I'm rather surprised that there's been no comparisons of Benghazi to Mogadishu.
It's very hard for politicians to explain the issue of battlefield confusion. An explanation of how the unclear situation did not allow for you to deliver a bombardment can all too easily be depicted as an excuse for incompetence by a political enemy and most politicians don't have enough credibility to decisively refute such an allegation. Further, such an explanation cannot be fit into a sound bite, which means that many members of the public will never hear the full explanation, just disjointed fragments of it.
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ghazidor Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:50:12pm |
re: #208 Gus
The pages have been rather sad of late.
Well it is not like most of us are professional journalists or novelists. Mostly it is just people sharing things they found interesting or funny with a fair number of political rants thrown in here or there. Nothing wrong with that...
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ghazidor Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:51:31pm |
re: #213 Gus
I think we should remove negative down dings.
It would encourage people to be slightly less lemming like, wouldn't it.
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Gus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:51:44pm |
re: #214 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
Well it is not like most of us are professional journalists or novelists. Mostly it is just people sharing things they found interesting or funny with a fair number of political rants thrown in here or there. Nothing wrong with that...
The only response seems to be to down ding each other.
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Gus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:52:24pm |
re: #215 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
It would encourage people to be slightly less lemming like, wouldn't it.
Yes. No lemmings here.
[Dobro slide.]
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:53:26pm |
re: #211 Targetpractice
Is there a dream within a dream within a dream?
If there are trains running through the streets, then yes.
//
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:53:40pm |
Geez, I'd forgotten how long New Vegas is. 5-6 hours later and I still haven't made it to Vegas itself.
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Kragar Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:54:37pm |
re: #205 Mocking Jay
Underestimate RomneyStrength at your peril!
Whenever I picture Romney at CiC, I picture Melchett
Melchett: The Germans seem to be able to anticipate our every move. We send up an aeroplane, there's a Jerry squadron parked behind the nearest
cloud; we move troops, the Germans have bought the whole town's supply of lavatory paper. In short: A German spy is giving away every one of our battle plans. You look surprised, Blackadder.
Edmund: I certainly am, sir. I didn't realise we had any battle plans.
Melchett: Well, of course we have! How else do you think the battles are
directed?
Edmund: Our battles are directed, sir?
Melchett: Well, of course they are, Blackadder -- directed according to the
Grand Plan.
Edmund: Would that be the plan to continue with total slaughter until everyone's dead except Field Marshal Haig, Lady Haig and their tortoise, Alan?
Melchett: Great Scott! Even you know it!
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Kragar Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:55:20pm |
re: #219 Targetpractice
Geez, I'd forgotten how long New Vegas is. 5-6 hours later and I still haven't made it to Vegas itself.
Taking the loop or going direct?
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:56:25pm |
re: #221 Kragar
Taking the loop or going direct?
The loop. Tried the direct route once...and only once.
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ghazidor Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:56:56pm |
re: #219 Targetpractice
Geez, I'd forgotten how long New Vegas is. 5-6 hours later and I still haven't made it to Vegas itself.
Yep, if you do all the side missions you can stay away from Vegas for quite some time.
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efuseakay Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:57:09pm |
re: #169 Joanne
This guy's in my district and I'd never vote for him. While he's no Inhofe or Joe Walsh, he's still pretty right.
My district too. He's been pretty good for the area as long as I can recall/been politically aware. His paling around with Dold has been a big turn off though. Regardless, given his condition, I don't think he can win again.
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Kragar Thu, Nov 1, 2012 10:59:26pm |
re: #222 Targetpractice
The loop. Tried the direct route once...and only once.
I mean the far loop, you head down south of Nipton, swing up to Novac, then clear out Nipton with Boone to get his story points for his quest. If you do it right, you can have his personal quest all ready before you hit the 188 Trading Post so you can put him aside and get Veronica
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ghazidor Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:00:12pm |
re: #222 Targetpractice
Tried it too first time, discovered that you need to majorly boost that XP first, otherwise Ceaser's legion is gonna tear you a new one...
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:00:37pm |
re: #225 Kragar
I mean the far loop, you head down south of Nipton, swing up to Novac, then clear out Nipton with Boone to get his story points for his quest. If you do it right, you can have his personal quest all ready before you hit the 188 Trading Post so you can put him aside and get Veronica
Haven't tried that one just yet, but that's mostly because I don't like making enemies of the Legion too early in the game.
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Kragar Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:03:54pm |
re: #227 Targetpractice
Haven't tried that one just yet, but that's mostly because I don't like making enemies of the Legion too early in the game.
Nah, hit it right and you can bypass the legion, get faction with the NCR, then take the Monorail right into Vegas.
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:05:29pm |
re: #228 Kragar
Nah, hit it right and you can bypass the legion, get faction with the NCR, then take the Monorail right into Vegas.
Eh, I kinda like progressing through missions in the manner I figure the programmers intended. Though I've figured out that wasting my favor from The King on a passport is not the smartest thing to do.
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Ben G. Hazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:12:13pm |
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:16:44pm |
Romney To Deliver ‘Closing Argument’ Speech Friday
Mitt Romney will deliver a speech that his campaign says "will lay out the closing arguments for his candidacy for President of the United States" Friday morning in West Allis, Wisconsin.
The final jobs report before Tuesday's election is scheduled to be released early Friday morning.
"This is not a real recovery, I can do better, can't tell you how, you'll just have to trust me."
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Kragar Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:17:40pm |
re: #233 Targetpractice
Romney To Deliver ‘Closing Argument’ Speech Friday
"This is not a real recovery, I can do better, can't tell you how, you'll just have to trust me."
"All my plans are in this briefcase, but if you don't elect me, I burn it."
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:18:45pm |
re: #220 Kragar
Whenever I picture Romney at CiC, I picture Melchett
Melchett: The Germans seem to be able to anticipate our every move. We send up an aeroplane, there's a Jerry squadron parked behind the nearest
cloud; we move troops, the Germans have bought the whole town's supply of lavatory paper. In short: A German spy is giving away every one of our battle plans. You look surprised, Blackadder.Edmund: I certainly am, sir. I didn't realise we had any battle plans.
Melchett: Well, of course we have! How else do you think the battles are
directed?Edmund: Our battles are directed, sir?
Melchett: Well, of course they are, Blackadder -- directed according to the
Grand Plan.Edmund: Would that be the plan to continue with total slaughter until everyone's dead except Field Marshal Haig, Lady Haig and their tortoise, Alan?
Melchett: Great Scott! Even you know it!
Field Marshal Haig did learn later, though Lloyd George did not trust him. Passchendaele was a horrific failure, but Haig's unwillingness to accept defeat lead him to approve the mass tank attack that came to be known as the Battle of Cambrai. With that battle, the initial British attack won as much ground in two days as had been won in the whole of Passchendaele. The success of the Tank Corps ensured their place in the forefront of any future offensives.
The other side of the coin was that the successful German counter attack proved the viability of Germany's new infantry assault tactics and seemed to offer Germany as well a chance to break the deadlock of trench warfare and win the war. But even with that, the Tank Corps still managed a powerful local counter that stabilized a critical part of the line, an omen whose meaning would become clear in the months to come.
And so as the Battle of Cambrai ended on December 7th 1917, both sides felt they hand new abilities that would end the stalemate. Both were right, but how right remained to be seen. While the weary men who had fought the battle did not know it, World War One had entered its final year.
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Ben G. Hazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:19:57pm |
re: #232 Gus
We had some folks defending the Confederate flag this morning.
Yeah, in the Tom Horne thread...I saw that.
One or two of our resident RWNJs does not a quorum make, though; I thought satt got slapped down pretty hard from most everyone else in the thread.
You can't fix stupid...
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:20:01pm |
re: #235 Dark_Falcon
Sorry about the long post, but I just got into the subject and ran with it.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:21:21pm |
re: #236 MittDoesNotCompute
Yeah, in the Tom Horne thread...I saw that.
One or two of our resident RWNJs does not a quorum make, though; I thought satt got slapped pretty hard from most everyone else in the thread.
Satt's not a nutjob, but the Confederate flag is problematic at best, and those who do not admit that are going to get clobbered in a fair debate.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:25:39pm |
re: #232 Gus
We had some folks defending the Confederate flag this morning.
where? where did they go
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engineer cat Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:26:38pm |
re: #217 Gus
Yes. No lemmings here.
[Dobro slide.]
i'm not a lemming, but i have taken the lemming pledge
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Kragar Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:27:49pm |
re: #237 Dark_Falcon
Sorry about the long post, but I just got into the subject and ran with it.
I was doing some research just the other day;
Infiltration tactics were first formally proposed in the Allied armies by French Army captain Andre Laffargue.[1] Laffargue published a pamphlet "The attack in trench warfare" in 1915, based upon his experiences in combat that same year. He advocated that the first wave of an attack identify hard-to-defeat defenses but not attack them; subsequent waves would do this.
The French published his pamphlet "for information", but did not implement it. The British did not even translate it, but did gradually adopt the techniques, beginning with the Canadian Corps. The Germans, however, captured copies of the pamphlet in 1916, translating and issuing it to units,[2] but by this point they already had their own, more sophisticated infiltration tactics. An experimental Pioneer assault unit founded by Major Calsow and later commanded and refined by Hauptmann Willy Rohr had been formed in the spring of 1915, over two months before Laffargue's pamphlet was published.[3][4][5][6] The methods Rohr developed are the basis of all modern small-unit infantry tactics.[7]
Sturm Battalion Number 5 - Rohr
The men of Sturm (Assault) Battalion Rohr could make a fair claim to being the “Elite” of frontline fighters of the German Army (1914-1918). They were used in an Assault and Training role and were the seed out of which the assault units which followed were created. At Verdun, on the Chemin des Dames, in the 1918 Offensives, the men of Rohr were always in the thick of the action. Usually attached to other units they acted as examples, as advisors and as observers, taking their experiences back to the Sturmbataillon where developing new tactics and methods was the first order of the day.
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Gus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:28:25pm |
re: #239 SpaceJesus
where? where did they go
Sorry. Just seeing a lot of right wingers on LGF. I hate right wingers.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:30:07pm |
re: #243 Gus
i didn't know lgf still had that kind of shit
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Decatur Deb Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:30:56pm |
re: #199 Kragar
There was a buddy of mine who used to man the Help desk when I was at Comm battalion who would answer the phone like this:
"Help desk, PFC Chewbacca speaking, how can I help you?"
".. Who is this?"
"Pfc *name withheld*, how can I help you?"
"I thought.. Didn't you..."
"Can I help you?"
"Um, yeah..."Did it like 2-3 times a day, never got busted.
Our 1960s Military Pay Section had a pay record for PVT Meoff, Jack. Sent newbies all over the building looking for matching 201 data.
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:32:45pm |
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Kragar Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:33:22pm |
re: #246 Decatur Deb
Our 1960s Military Pay Section had a pay record for PVT Meoff, Jack. Sent newbies all over the building looking for matching 201 data.
Oh, that tradition is still alive and well.
"Hey, run to the armory and get a can of backblast for the AT-4."
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:34:06pm |
re: #242 Kragar
I was doing some research just the other day;
Thanks much for that. The Kaiser's Cross site has been bookmarked.
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Targetpractice Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:34:11pm |
re: #249 Kragar
Oh, that tradition is still alive and well.
"Hey, run to the armory and get a can of backblast for the AT-4."
"Need about 10 feet of gig line."
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Kragar Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:36:18pm |
re: #251 Targetpractice
"Need about 10 feet of gig line."
"We're going to need a case of grid squares for the land nav class, go check in the stockroom."
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Ben G. Hazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:38:56pm |
re: #245 Gus
If Obama loses I'm don't with LGF.
You'd seriously leave here if Romney somehow wins, just because of a (rather small, from what I've seen) minority here? I respect you, man, but that just seems like the coward's way out.
Fighting ignorance is a lifelong vocation and you seem to be pretty good at it; I don't think that you leaving here in that instance would serve you or LGF well.
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SpaceJesus Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:41:52pm |
if romney wins, an internet blog is going to be the least of my concerns
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Decatur Deb Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:42:15pm |
re: #253 MittDoesNotCompute
You'd seriously leave here if Romney somehow wins, just because of a (rather small, from what I've seen) minority here? I respect you, man, but that just seems like the coward's way out.
Fighting ignorance is a lifelong vocation and you seem to be pretty good at it; I don't think that you leaving here in that instance would serve you or LGF well.
We need a thread for fallback 'Romney Wins' plans. Mine involve a short drunk and joining the IWW.
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engineer cat Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:45:53pm |
re: #255 Decatur Deb
We need a thread for fallback 'Romney Wins' plans. Mine involve a short drunk and joining the IWW.
i'm considering indentured servitude
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Decatur Deb Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:46:33pm |
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engineer cat Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:47:26pm |
bronco bama
if obama wins a second term, he'll deserve a good nickname
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Decatur Deb Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:48:22pm |
re: #258 engineer cat
bronco bama
if obama wins a second term, he'll deserve a good nickname
Mittbuster.
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Kragar Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:48:46pm |
re: #256 engineer cat
i'm considering indentured servitude
I will continue a guerrilla campaign of mockery and sarcasm.
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Ben G. Hazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:49:00pm |
re: #258 engineer cat
bronco bama
if obama wins a second term, he'll deserve a good nickname
The Master of Disaster (Relief)
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ghazidor Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:49:05pm |
re: #257 Decatur Deb
That's Romney's plan for most of us.
Yeah but those who get the jump on it will get to choose who they work for...
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ghazidor Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:50:56pm |
re: #260 Kragar
I will continue a guerrilla campaign of mockery and sarcasm.
Four years of reminding people "I told you so, idiots" in various ways will get rather monotonous eventually...
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Decatur Deb Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:53:02pm |
re: #263 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
Four years of reminding people "I told you so, idiots" in various ways will get rather monotonous eventually...
Got me through the Bush years.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:54:59pm |
Guys, no matter who wins we'll get through it together.
We don't need to plan to run and hide, because the men running for president aren't monsters.
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Ben G. Hazi Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:57:05pm |
re: #264 Decatur Deb
Got me through the Bush years.
This is different; at least Bush came off as much more genuine and empathetic that Mitt does.
That's why the congressional races, as well as the local and state races, are just as important, because if Mitt does somehow win, Congress may be the only bulwark we might have.
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freetoken Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:58:07pm |
Cox cable is such a disaster at times. I pay online, every month, and when I went to check my bill tonight it denied that there was a bill. This even though I was logged into my Cox account, could see/change any information... but anything to do with seeing a bill or paying for one.
If they weren't a monopoly they would go out of business.
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Decatur Deb Thu, Nov 1, 2012 11:58:10pm |
re: #266 MittDoesNotCompute
This is different; at least Bush came off as much more genuine and empathtic that Mitt does.
That's why the congressional races, as well as the local and state races, are just as important, because if Mitt does somehow win, Congress may be the only bulwark we might have.
Never thought Harry Reid would become my favorite politician.
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Nov 2, 2012 12:00:09am |
re: #268 Decatur Deb
Never thought Harry Reid would become my favorite politician.
He's not mine, but he has lots of institutional knowledge and knows how to get things done.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 2, 2012 12:00:14am |
re: #267 freetoken
Cox cable is such a disaster at times. I pay online, every month, and when I went to check my bill tonight it denied that there was a bill. This even though I was logged into my Cox account, could see/change any information... but anything to do with seeing a bill or paying for one.
If they weren't a monopoly they would go out of business.
We got a phishing scam on our Comcast billing yesterday. Wanted a new credit card number. We don't pay by card and the site wasn't https//.
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Ben G. Hazi Fri, Nov 2, 2012 12:01:50am |
re: #270 Decatur Deb
We got a phishing scam on our Comcast billing yesterday. Wanted a new credit card number. We don't pay by card and the site wasn't https//.
Click on an link in an email purporting to be from Comcast? I don't ever do that; if I want to check on or pay my bill, I always open the browser and open my known safe bookmarks.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 2, 2012 12:03:03am |
re: #271 MittDoesNotCompute
Click on an email link in something purporting to be from Comcast?
No. That was the link they wanted us to hit. Would report it, but these things are so common it's likely in the Comcast bin.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Nov 2, 2012 12:03:51am |
re: #271 MittDoesNotCompute
Click on an email link in something purporting to be from Comcast?
My cell phone is not vulnerable to hacks targeting PCs, so I use it to open questionable emails. If they turn out to be scam I report them as such at once.
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 2, 2012 12:07:28am |
re: #273 Dark_Falcon
My cell phone is not vulnerable to hacks targeting PCs, so I use it to open questionable emails. If they turn out to be scam I report them as such at once.
I'm sure they would have asked me for my CC if I had hit the referred link. I used to check these scams out, but they are rather routine. Comcast couldn't give a shit.
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ghazidor Fri, Nov 2, 2012 12:09:46am |
Well it is back to Assassins Creed 3.
See you folks later. :)
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Decatur Deb Fri, Nov 2, 2012 12:15:15am |
re: #276 Dark_Falcon
Good Night, All.
Night? Shit. It's 2AM here, time to switch from red wine to coffee.
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Digital Display Fri, Nov 2, 2012 12:23:29am |
My reasons for voting for Obama and a few complaints about his staffers
1. Obama is a steady leader for America. unflappable ready from day one.
a. Remember in 2008 when the economy crashed? McCain freaked and suspended his campaign and had no ideas in the DC meeting what to do.
Obama said he can multitask and showed good leadership in the meetings..
Not shaken and really showed some bold character.
2. He connects with people..Communicates well
3. He makes me proud for him to rep America to the world.
4. On a side note.. I'm a huge basketball and it's great we have an athletic young man leading us into the new Century. Obama and I both are left handed. He is a classic wing man and I a point guard in college. I've read everything about him. SI stories, Sporting news, (His high school coach complained Obama shot to much sometimes )
He also plays physical on the floor. I love that..I got kicked off a church basketball league once..Boo fucking hoo.
5. Obama is a fine CIC..Strong..Concening the ME and Libya. Just like 9-11-2001 we get caught off caught and American should pull together to make sure this never happens again..It's unbecoming to try to make political hay from this..
Let me ask all of you and the whole world.. Does anybody on this God's green Earth doesn't think the terrorist aren't on a kill list being worked on this very day? They will be brought to Justice.
( One word to this terrorist...Short term Life insurance policy for the family)
_ _ _
I think Obama should have replace some staffers last 2 years
Can't wait till Tuesday to to keep going forward
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researchok Fri, Nov 2, 2012 12:26:47am |
re: #278 Digital Display
Don't agree with everything here, but well said.
I'm a big Obama fan when it comes to national security.
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Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Fri, Nov 2, 2012 12:56:57am |
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researchok Fri, Nov 2, 2012 1:09:27am |
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Nov 2, 2012 2:07:20am |
For me this election boils down to two incredibly basic value issues:
1.) Integrity. Even Romney's staunchest supporter here admits he's a liar who stands for nothing but his own desire to be President. I don't understand how anybody could think a person with no personal integrity should hold that office, the entire idea is just completely anathema to how I view the entire concept and purpose of leadership. If the guy can't be trusted then it's impossible for anybody who holds honesty to be a bedrock value to vote for him.
2.) A fundamental question of civil rights and equality. Even if you don't know many gays there's no excuse for opposing marriage equality. Even if you don't have any real insight into how women think there's no excuse for believing they shouldn't be able to make their own health decisions, be able to control their own bodies, or be paid the same for performing the same job. To my mind this is simply fundamental Golden Rule shit that a decent human being would never even think of compromising. Especially not for some transparently bullshit voodoo economics confidence scam.
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BeenHereAwhile Fri, Nov 2, 2012 6:02:52am |
re: #51 HappyWarrior
re: #50 dragonath
There are people who are gritty and romantic at the same time.
Hunter S. Thompson was a little like that.
I really need to get into reading him. Not sure what a good starting point would be though.
I'd start with his early more accessible stuff:
Hell's Angels: A Strange and Terrible Saga (1966)
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
Fear and Loathing: On the Campaign Trail '72 (1973)
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
Fear and Loathing at Rolling Stone: The Essential Writing of Hunter S. Thompson
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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