Live Video: President Obama Speaks in Bristow, VA
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Here are tonight’s speeches by Presidents Clinton and Obama:
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Here are tonight’s speeches by Presidents Clinton and Obama:
1 | Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 3, 2012 7:54:31pm |
Obama in VA: "Al Qaeda has been decimated, Osama bin Laden is dead, we are safer than we were four years ago."— Charles Johnson (@Green_Footballs) November 4, 2012
2 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 7:55:49pm |
Ah this is in Prince William, County. Neat. I feel really good about Obama's chances here in the Old Dominion.
5 | Lidane Sat, Nov 3, 2012 7:59:02pm |
Mitt's math was as bad back then as it is now. ROFL.
7 | Four More Tears Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:02:08pm |
Crikey, just call the man a liar and be done with it!
9 | Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:02:46pm |
My favorite line was "revenge, like dog, is a dish best served cold".
10 | justaminute Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:07:01pm |
All I can tell you I'm a beneficiary of the Affordable Care Act. Self-employed woman with MS that was being driven poor by rate increases. Thanks to the ACA insurance driven down from $1,575 to $525 a month and still received a check from insurance company this summer for premium not meeting the new quotas set out by the ACA.
President Obama and the Dems built that!
11 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:09:23pm |
re: #10 justaminute
All I can tell you I'm a beneficiary of the Affordable Care Act. Self-employed woman with MS that was being driven poor by rate increases. Thanks to the ACA insurance driven down from $1,575 to $525 a month and still received a check from insurance company this summer for premium not meeting the new quotas set out by the ACA.
President Obama and the Dems built that!
Awesome! Mitt Romney would tell you to get your husband to buy a dancing horse to treat your MS like he did for his wife.
12 | Stanghazi Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:09:56pm |
re: #10 justaminute
Missed you around here lately. Cheers and keep well.
13 | freetoken Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:10:03pm |
NRO headline:
Even After Sandy, Race in a Virtual Tie
Ok, let's see what the lexicon says about "virtual":
almost or nearly as described, but not completely or according to strict definition : the virtual absence of border controls.
• Computing not physically existing as such but made by software to appear to do so : a virtual computer. See also virtual reality .
• Physics denoting particles or interactions with extremely short lifetimes and (owing to the uncertainty principle) indefinitely great energies, postulated as intermediates in some processes.
Yeah, I'd say Obama and Romney are in a "virtual tie".
The substance of the article - well, there isn't really any, which isn't surprising. One could almost call it a "virtual article".
14 | Majacita Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:11:28pm |
Man, can he deliver a speech. My son has health insurance because of Obama. My brothers have jobs because of Obama. And my oldest son is not in Iraq because of Obama. My son's best friend has a chance to get married someday because of Obama. I don't know anyone who will be better off under Romney....but I know many people who plan to vote for him. I don't understand it.
16 | Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:14:03pm |
re: #13 freetoken
The substance of the article - well, there isn't really any, which isn't surprising. One could almost call it a "virtual article".
It's like the dummy text they use to do layouts, except an actual human being wrote it.
17 | Majacita Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:14:37pm |
I watched him this morning give the same speech and it's just as good this time.
18 | Lidane Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:14:42pm |
re: #14 Majacita
I don't know anyone who will be better off under Romney....but I know many people who plan to vote for him. I don't understand it.
Because black Muslim Jimmy Carter, that's why.
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19 | freetoken Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:15:00pm |
Early Voting Polls Closed With Record Number of Voters
Voters in Cook County continue to break records for early voting, even if it's last minute early voting.
On the last day of Grace Period Registration, the line streched out the door of 69 W. Washington, around the building and down Dearborn Street to Madison Street.
Earlier on Saturday, Chicago voters were said to be on pace to cast well over 28,000 ballots in Saturday early voting, according to election board spokesman Jim Allen. By 7 p.m., the board was at 30,004 and still counting.
[...]
Hey, it's Cook county. Waiting for someone to chime in with the "vote early, vote often" talking point.
21 | freetoken Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:15:28pm |
re: #16 Sophist, Gingham Style (AKA Bronco Bama)
It's like the dummy text they use to do layouts, except an actual human being wrote it.
As opposed to a virtual human.
22 | Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:15:52pm |
re: #15 Charles Johnson
Wow, he's really on tonight.
But on the other hand, he did say the word "revenge". Verdict: too close to call.
23 | Gus Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:16:15pm |
re: #20 Sheila Broflovski
His voice sounds really painful.
I heard this speech three times today. This last one? He hit it out of the park.
24 | justaminute Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:16:38pm |
re: #12 Page 3 in the Binder of Women
Missed being here to. Spent my time trying to convince Okies on a little OK board that Republicans are not the little guys friend. You guys are always on the right track. Their not. Staying on it until the election. After that, I'm coming back. It was a rough slog but you know they can't defend Romney, their just angry now.
25 | Majacita Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:18:23pm |
I live in a red state and have a murder trial in a week. I wish to God I could do more for this election.
26 | calochortus Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:19:39pm |
re: #25 Majacita
I live in a red state and have a murder trial in a week. I wish to God I could do more for this election.
I trust you aren't the defendant?
27 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:19:41pm |
What amuses me is the spin that Republican turnout is going to be out an incredible high while Democratic turnout will be an equally incredible low. Wishful thinking if you ask me. And I do think there's a possibility that Obama's support could be under-polled.
28 | b_snark Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:20:22pm |
re: #25 Majacita
I live in a red state and have a murder trial in a week. I wish to God I could do more for this election.
Who'd you kill?
29 | calochortus Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:21:09pm |
31 | Majacita Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:23:04pm |
re: #26 calochortus
No, defense attorney. The case will probably plead out, but I have to be ready. And I am writing cross examinations on witnesses while following the blog.
32 | AntonSirius Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:23:20pm |
33 | sagehen Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:24:31pm |
re: #29 calochortus
Now, now. Innocent until proven guilty....
I'm sure whoever it was had it coming. Isn't "he needed killing" grounds for acquittal in some states?
35 | goddamnedfrank Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:25:08pm |
re: #27 HappyWarrior
What amuses me is the spin that Republican turnout is going to be out an incredible high while Democratic turnout will be an equally incredible low. Wishful thinking if you ask me. And I do think there's a possibility that Obama's support could be under-polled.
The thing about voting is that it's totally binary, either you do it or you don't, doesn't matter how enthusiastic you are. Likely voter models are important, but the way some pollsters construct them is intrinsically flawed.
Gallup's model assumes that if this is your first election, or if you've moved to a new precinct and don't know where your polling location is that you're aren't going to vote. Those people never make it into Gallup's likely voter model, even if they tell Gallup that they've already voted via absentee ballot.
38 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:25:34pm |
This really does feel like everything I've read about the 1948 election. No disrespect to Thomas Dewey who I think would have been a good president but this really does feel that way.
39 | calochortus Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:25:35pm |
re: #33 sagehen
I'm sure whoever it was had it coming. Isn't "he needed killing" grounds for acquittal in some states?
Oh, I hope not.
40 | Majacita Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:26:24pm |
re: #33 sagehen
The needed killing defense is the most popular one in our courthouse....I live in a red state after all.
41 | danhenry1 Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:26:49pm |
Bill's Barbeque didn't fail because Of Obama's policies, as Romney asserts, check out the Richmond Times-Dispatch.
[Link: www2.timesdispatch.com...]
This just might get the 'Old Dominion', back in the blue where it belongs.
43 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:27:21pm |
re: #35 goddamnedfrank
The thing about voting is that it's totally binary, either you do it or you don't, doesn't matter how enthusiastic you are. Likely voter models are important, but the way some pollsters construct them is intrinsically flawed.
Gallup's model assumes that if this is your first election, or if you've moved to a new precinct and don't know where your polling location is that you're aren't going to vote. Those people never make it into Gallup's likely voter model, even if they tell Gallup that they've already voted via absentee ballot.
Didn't know that about Gallup. I remember reading that one of the flaws in the 1936 polling that actually had FDR losing to Landon was that only people with telephones were polled.
46 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:28:47pm |
re: #41 danhenry1
Bill's Barbeque didn't fail because Of Obama's policies, as Romney asserts, check out the Richmond Times-Dispatch.
[Link: www2.timesdispatch.com...]
This just might get the 'Old Dominion', back in the blue where it belongs.
I guess this is the Virginia version of Chrysler's moving jeep production to China. Don't fuck with our BBQ, Romney.
47 | AntonSirius Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:29:46pm |
I think Fallows is right. The dumb Republicans may just be deluding themselves the way many Dems deluded themselves in '04* (and for the same reason - they can't believe America would re-elect the guy they hate), but the smart Republicans are laying the groundwork for de-legitimizing Obama's second term.
* - Full disclosure: I suffered from that delusion in '04.
48 | jaunte Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:31:13pm |
re: #41 danhenry1
I've seen a lot of complaining about decent employee health care coverage coming from the restaurant industry. Rethinking their business model might be better for society, and maybe not so profitable for the owners.
49 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:32:18pm |
re: #47 AntonSirius
I think Fallows is right. The dumb Republicans may just be deluding themselves the way many Dems deluded themselves in '04* (and for the same reason - they can't believe America would re-elect the guy they hate), but the smart Republicans are laying the groundwork for de-legitimizing Obama's second term.
* - Full disclosure: I suffered from that delusion in '04.
Yeah, I know exactly what you are saying. I thought there was no way in hell that people would vote to re-elect Bush but I didn't give up enough credit to how Kerry was perceived by non-Democratic partisans, Bush's ground operation, etc.
50 | justaminute Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:33:04pm |
The Open Carry law took affect in Oklahoma 11/1. We posted 'No Open Carry of Guns' signs in our restaurant. No complaints but quite a few 'Thank You' from customers. I was expecting the opposite. See, Okies can surprise you!
52 | sagehen Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:35:12pm |
re: #43 HappyWarrior
Didn't know that about Gallup. I remember reading that one of the flaws in the 1936 polling that actually had FDR losing to Landon was that only people with telephones were polled.
They're still only polling people who, as Seth Myers put it, "would answer a call on their landline from a blocked number".
53 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:35:51pm |
re: #9 Sophist, Gingham Style (AKA Bronco Bama)
My favorite line was "revenge, like dog, is a dish best served cold".
Obama said that?
55 | Stanghazi Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:37:58pm |
re: #41 danhenry1
Bill's Barbeque didn't fail because Of Obama's policies, as Romney asserts, check out the Richmond Times-Dispatch.
[Link: www2.timesdispatch.com...]
This just might get the 'Old Dominion', back in the blue where it belongs.
Sigh. Just another lie on the back of some misinformed and disgruntled people.
56 | SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:37:58pm |
re: #54 b_sharp
Amazing how music can shape our emotions.
Is it not strange that sheeps' guts should hale souls out of men's bodies?
58 | b_snark Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:40:48pm |
You know, there is more than one lizard here I'd like to meet in person and quaff an ale with.
59 | Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:41:12pm |
re: #47 AntonSirius
...the smart Republicans are laying the groundwork for de-legitimizing Obama's second term.
Can we use a different adjective? Calling people willing to burn the country down to kneecap the other party "smart" sticks in my craw.
60 | Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:42:25pm |
re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist
Obama said that?
The one who lives in my head and spends all his time tweaking Republicans over their silly shibboleths did.
61 | dragonath Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:44:03pm |
Oh, damn.
Pennsylvania Report Left Out Data on Poisons in Water Near Gas Site
A not so well known episode in the current fracking exploration is how industry groups picked up funding on Pennsylvania's satellite topography initiative (LIDAR) when the state funding ran out.
Yeah, that science is okay.
62 | calochortus Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:45:28pm |
re: #54 b_sharp
Amazing how music can shape our emotions.
In Beethoven's Anvil William Benzon suggests that the purpose of music is to 'harmonize' (no pun intended) functions of different parts of the brain, and to bring the the brains of people in one's group together. Interesting thesis.
63 | AntonSirius Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:49:08pm |
re: #59 Sophist, Gingham Style (AKA Bronco Bama)
Can we use a different adjective? Calling people willing to burn the country down to kneecap the other party "smart" sticks in my craw.
Cunning? Sly? Less dumb?
64 | Stanghazi Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:49:12pm |
Speaking of music. Jon Bon Jovi's acoustic "Living on a Prayer" last night was epic. He and Billy Joel impressed me mucho with their 20 years later sounding great.
65 | Mich-again Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:51:27pm |
re: #62 calochortus
In Beethoven's Anvil William Benzon suggests that the purpose of music is to 'harmonize' (no pun intended) functions of different parts of the brain, and to bring the the brains of people in one's group together. Interesting thesis.
I think the purpose of music is to get people to dance. 5-6-7-8...
66 | calochortus Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:52:19pm |
re: #65 Mich-again
I think the purpose of music is to get people to dance. 5-6-7-8...
That's part of it too.
67 | b_snark Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:53:00pm |
re: #64 Page 3 in the Binder of Women
Speaking of music. Jon Bon Jovi's acoustic "Living on a Prayer" last night was epic. He and Billy Joel impressed me mucho with their 20 years later sounding great.
Talent never dies.
68 | freetoken Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:56:02pm |
I see that NRO tries some inverted back-flip slut-shaming:
Katy Perry: I’m a Sex Object and I Endorse This Ad
The Obama campaign has repeatedly appealed to women as if the feminist movement never happened – that is, as a monolith who can’t get sex and reproduction off the brain. Sandra Fluke and Lena Dunham have relayed the President’s message quite clearly: women should and do decide whom to vote for based on sex, birth control, and abortion. [...]
Singer and songwriter Katy Perry is the latest lady to objectify herself for the benefit of the President’s campaign. At a campaign rally in Milwaukee earlier tonight, she sported a skin-tight dress featuring the Obama campaign slogan. Her message: I’m a sex object and I endorse this ad. Backward!
I wonder why anyone takes NRO or those who are published through that outlet seriously.
69 | Stanghazi Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:56:32pm |
re: #67 b_sharp
Talent never dies.
But voices do. ie Steven Tyler. he sucked. Im going to re-watch the Billy Joel Lights on Broadway. He is someone worth the $$$ to see (now I know)
70 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 8:56:51pm |
re: #68 freetoken
I see that NRO tries some inverted back-flip slut-shaming:
Katy Perry: I’m a Sex Object and I Endorse This Ad
I wonder why anyone takes NRO or those who are published through that outlet seriously.
Whatever. I don't take anything seriously that comes from that rag that employs white nationalists. Fuck the NRO.
71 | Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:00:44pm |
re: #62 calochortus
I think trying to figure out what music is "for" is missing the point. Music may have certain ancillary benefits and effects, but that's not what music is "for". Music isn't a means, music is an end.
72 | b_snark Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:01:04pm |
re: #69 Page 3 in the Binder of Women
But voices do. ie Steven Tyler. he sucked. Im going to re-watch the Billy Joel Lights on Broadway. He is someone worth the $$$ to see (now I know)
Stevo never had any talent.
74 | b_snark Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:04:41pm |
re: #71 Sophist, Gingham Style (AKA Bronco Bama)
I think trying to figure out what music is "for" is missing the point. Music may have certain ancillary benefits and effects, but that's not what music is "for".
No, music has a purpose, that's why we keep producing it.
Figuring out if there is a evolutionary purpose for it doesn't diminish its value, it may even augment our enjoyment.
75 | calochortus Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:04:54pm |
re: #71 Sophist, Gingham Style (AKA Bronco Bama)
That's fine, but why music is so universally appealing (even if not everyone has the same taste) is an interesting question.
76 | Stanghazi Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:05:43pm |
re: #73 Page 3 in the Binder of Women
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epic.
Joel explained that he wrote the song while living in Los Angeles in 1975, when New York City was on the verge of default. Joel stated that people in Los Angeles, including former New Yorkers, were deriding New York for its troubles. Joel says he thought, "If New York's going to go down the tubes, I'm going to go back to New York
78 | calochortus Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:13:01pm |
I guess it's time to set the clocks back before bed. Good night all.
79 | freetoken Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:13:16pm |
Meanwhile, here in California we have a couple of Propositions that raises taxes, under the rubric of helping schools. It's all very confusing, and I consider it nothing but an abrogation of responsibility by the Assembly that our budget issues can no longer be settled by legislation.
Local NBC affiliate tries to untangle competing propositions 30 and 38:
Prop. 30 and 38 Tax Hikes Go Head to Head: San Diego Explained
IMO both propositions are failures, as the first uses regressive sales tax increases, while the latter raises taxes even on those lower in the salary scale.
80 | freetoken Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:17:09pm |
File this one under "WTF?":
US Airman Allegedly Assaults Japanese Boy
A U.S. airman is suspected of assaulting a young boy Friday on the southern Japanese island of Okinawa, authorities said. The incident comes just two weeks after a curfew was imposed on all 52,000 U.S. troops in Japan over the arrest of two Navy sailors for allegedly raping a local woman.
Authorities on Okinawa said the 24-year-old airman was suspected of entering an apartment and punching the 13-year-old boy before breaking a TV set and trying to escape through a third-floor window. The airman — whose name has not been released — fell and was taken to a military hospital.
[...]
81 | BeenHereAwhile Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:17:10pm |
82 | jaunte Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:17:17pm |
Proud my 8yo girl failed this worksheet. Wish she had failed it even "worse." #GenderBias twitter.com/gameism/status…
— Steve Bowler (@gameism) November 3, 2012
83 | Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:18:12pm |
re: #74 b_sharp
re: #75 calochortus
I think you need to distinguish between a "reason" and a "purpose". Music certainly seems to meet a fundamental human need, fulfill a universal desire, and may very well "'harmonize' functions of different parts of the brain", but to say that is music's "purpose" implies a higher degree of teleology than is warranted, as though music were designed with that end expressly in mind.
84 | jaunte Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:21:53pm |
Fire-powered cell phone chargers in Manhattan. i.imgur.com/dyYcI.jpg biolitestove.com Yes, I said FIRE POWERED.
— Jonathan Ore (@Jon_Ore) November 4, 2012
85 | sagehen Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:23:27pm |
re: #74 b_sharp
No, music has a purpose, that's why we keep producing it.
Figuring out if there is a evolutionary purpose for it doesn't diminish its value, it may even augment our enjoyment.
Knowing the difference between bird calls gave hunter/gatherers useful information; the rhythm of a herd of gazelles running from a lion must be somewhat different than the rhythm of a herd of elephants running from a fire...
86 | Charles Johnson Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:23:40pm |
87 | freetoken Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:23:42pm |
Major media outlets still pushing the horse race:
Obama and Romney tied three days before election
U.S. President Barack Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney remain essentially tied in the race for the White House with razor thin margins in four key swing states, according to a Reuters/Ipsos daily tracking poll released on Saturday.
"Essentially". I wonder if they really meant "virtually"?
88 | b_snark Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:24:30pm |
re: #83 Sophist, Gingham Style (AKA Bronco Bama)
re: #75 calochortus
I think you need to distinguish between a "reason" and a "purpose". Music certainly seems to meet a fundamental human need, fulfill a universal desire, and may very well "'harmonize' functions of different parts of the brain", but to say that is music's "purpose" implies a higher degree of teleology than is warranted, as though music were designed with that end expressly in mind.
I think that inference is yours alone.
90 | jaunte Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:26:43pm |
re: #89 b_sharp
Seems strangely intrusive. Why should a teacher care what students play with on their own time?
91 | Joanne Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:26:50pm |
re: #68 freetoken
That's how the old folks feel. They think bikini's are like Playboy, which is Satan. Hustler? Worse than Satan. Women should be like 50s Ozzie and Harriet and June Cleaver. This is the GOP.
92 | KronoGhazi Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:27:56pm |
93 | b_snark Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:28:13pm |
re: #85 sagehen
Knowing the difference between bird calls gave hunter/gatherers useful information; the rhythm of a herd of gazelles running from a lion must be somewhat different than the rhythm of a herd of elephants running from a fire...
Pounding on logs while sitting around a campfire united the group.
94 | Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:30:01pm |
re: #85 sagehen
Knowing the difference between bird calls gave hunter/gatherers useful information; the rhythm of a herd of gazelles running from a lion must be somewhat different than the rhythm of a herd of elephants running from a fire...
And that's all well and good if you're trying to figure out how music started, but if you try to explain the existence of Mozart or Merzbow as a way to memorize game sounds, I'm going to look at you funny. Music is a very complex phenomena. A simple explanation for its power and universality seem to me exceedingly unlikely.
95 | b_snark Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:30:52pm |
re: #90 jaunte
Seems strangely intrusive. Why should a teacher care what students play with on their own time?
Force well defined gender roles so traditional families can be saved from us pesky liberals.
96 | jaunte Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:33:21pm |
re: #95 b_sharp
I followed his twitter feed just to see what happens in the parent-teacher conference.
97 | freetoken Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:34:13pm |
Do horses "sprint"? I know they "gallop" at maximum speed. Anyway, the race is on:
Obama, Romney sprint to tight finish in a nation deeply divided
Against the backdrop of a sharply polarized nation, the long and mean-spirited 2012 presidential contest is barreling toward the finish with the outcome still in doubt.
Yes, we know, "prediction is very difficult, especially about the future" as someone famous once said.
Even though their own graphic:
[Link: graphics.latimes.com...]
shows Obama leading in every so called "toss up" state.
98 | Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:35:42pm |
It takes a special kind of teacher to give out an entirely subjective assignment, and then tell kids they did it "wrong" when they don't agree with them. It's like asking what their favorite color is, and then saying "I'm sorry, Billy, the correct answer is blue".
99 | b_snark Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:36:09pm |
re: #94 Sophist, Gingham Style (AKA Bronco Bama)
And that's all well and good if you're trying to figure out how music started, but if you try to explain the existence of Mozart or Merzbow as a way to memorize game sounds, I'm going to look at you funny. Music is a very complex phenomena. A simple explanation for its power and universality seem to me exceedingly unlikely.
Everything evolves and is built upon the re: #94 Sophist, Gingham Style (AKA Bronco Bama)
And that's all well and good if you're trying to figure out how music started, but if you try to explain the existence of Mozart or Merzbow as a way to memorize game sounds, I'm going to look at you funny. Music is a very complex phenomena. A simple explanation for its power and universality seem to me exceedingly unlikely.
We`re going all reductionist on you aren't we?
101 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:37:48pm |
Okay, what's with this frequent right wing claim I see about polls that they're using a 2008 model. Aren't these all polls of likely voters as opposed to merely registered voters?
102 | freetoken Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:38:12pm |
CNN doesn't even bother to put in "virtually" or "essentially":
Poll: Obama, Romney tied nationally
TIED!!
103 | Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:39:00pm |
re: #99 b_sharp
We`re going all reductionist on you aren't we?
A little reduction now and then is good for me. Keeps me from getting a swelled head.
104 | Targetpractice Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:39:20pm |
re: #102 freetoken
CNN doesn't even bother to put in "virtually" or "essentially":
Poll: Obama, Romney tied nationally
TIED!!
"Race tied! Too close to call! Be sure to watch up election night to get up to the minute punditry on just how close the race really is!"
105 | KronoGhazi Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:41:13pm |
It won't be close. Will miss the hand wringing mea culpa about what went wrong... not.
106 | freetoken Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:41:36pm |
re: #104 Targetpractice
The reason the media doesn't complain seriously about the Citizens United ruling is that by and large the media are the consumers of the billions of dollars being spent by the candidates.
107 | jaunte Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:42:59pm |
re: #98 Sophist, Gingham Style (AKA Bronco Bama)
It takes a special kind of teacher to give out an entirely subjective assignment, and then tell kids they did it "wrong" when they don't agree with them.
One of my daughters had a first grade teacher who assigned the kids to create a photo-essay of their early lives. Our kids were adopted late, age 3 and 4, and they had no baby photos, so we suggested she draw her pictures. After she turned in her drawings and short bio, the teacher told her she would get a bad grade unless she completed the assignment with photos. She suggested using baby pictures of strangers cut out of magazines.
108 | freetoken Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:43:12pm |
Show me a major "newspaper" or television news service that runs a headline like "Media Companies Rake in Billions Pushing Horse Race".
You won't find it.
110 | Targetpractice Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:43:59pm |
re: #108 freetoken
Show me a major "newspaper" or television news service that runs a headline like "Media Companies Rake in Billions Pushing Horse Race".
You won't find it.
Precisely. Whoever wins Tuesday, they've already made millions on ad time alone.
111 | freetoken Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:44:45pm |
re: #110 Targetpractice
The campaigning is the big source of revenue this year, scheduled between the Olympics and the next Super Bowl.
112 | Stanghazi Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:46:06pm |
re: #107 jaunte
One of my daughters had a first grade teacher who assigned the kids to create a photo-essay of their early lives. Our kids were adopted, age 3 and 4, and they had no baby photos, so we suggested she draw her pictures. After she turned in her drawings and short bio, the teacher told her she would get a bad grade unless she completed the assignment with photos. She suggested using baby pictures of strangers cut out of magazines.
Oh my. How sheltered this teacher.
113 | KronoGhazi Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:46:13pm |
Who are these Citizens who are united exactly?
Should be called Dollars United.
114 | jaunte Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:47:32pm |
re: #112 Page 3 in the Binder of Women
It was amazingly tone deaf. She was Teacher of the Year in the school that year, too.
115 | SteelGHAZI Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:47:32pm |
re: #113 Kronocide
Who are these Citizens who are united exactly?
Should be called Dollars United.
THIS.
116 | Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:48:39pm |
re: #113 Kronocide
Who are these Citizens who are united exactly?
Should be called Dollars United.
Dollars are people too, my friend!
118 | Targetpractice Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:48:59pm |
Heh, Reid calls Romney's promises of bipartisanship "laughable" and already I'm hearing wingnuts whining that Reid's promising to be "obstructionist."
119 | Mich-again Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:49:41pm |
re: #113 Kronocide
Who are these Citizens who are united exactly?
Should be called Dollars United.
If I get it right, you can only donate up to $2,000 to support candidate A but you can donate an unlimited amount of money to oppose candidate B.
120 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:50:14pm |
re: #118 Targetpractice
Heh, Reid calls Romney's promises of bipartisanship "laughable" and already I'm hearing wingnuts whining that Reid's promising to be "obstructionist."
Get back to me when a group of Congressional Democrats does what Ryan, Cantor, and the others did. Or if Reid promises that his sole goal is to make Romney a one termer. Fucking Republicans have no right to complain at all about partsianship after these past four years.
121 | Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:50:17pm |
122 | prairiefire Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:53:20pm |
re: #107 jaunte
I'm happy to report that there has been a shift in the elementary grades to recognize a students "voice" as a criteria in writing. I think this has helped educators to respond to individual students in a better manner.
123 | aagcobb Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:54:16pm |
re: #59 Sophist, Gingham Style (AKA Bronco Bama)
Can we use a different adjective? Calling people willing to burn the country down to kneecap the other party "smart" sticks in my craw.
How about "diabolical"?
125 | aagcobb Sat, Nov 3, 2012 9:59:49pm |
re: #97 freetoken
Do horses "sprint"? I know they "gallop" at maximum speed. Anyway, the race is on:
Obama, Romney sprint to tight finish in a nation deeply divided
Yes, we know, "prediction is very difficult, especially about the future" as someone famous once said.
Even though their own graphic:
[Link: graphics.latimes.com...]
shows Obama leading in every so called "toss up" state.
Today Nate Silver said that unless the polls are statistically biased (not necessarily deliberately, but because they are all making the same fundamental mistake in the makeup of the electorate), the President will be re-elected.
126 | b_snark Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:00:47pm |
re: #122 prairiefire
I'm happy to report that there has been a shift in the elementary grades to recognize a students "voice" as a criteria in writing. I think this has helped educators to respond to individual students in a better manner.
The amount of time spent on a student should be directly proportional to that students grades. Why spend hard earned money on slower kids?
Even the right would argue against that, but their philosophy elsewhere is exactly that.
127 | b_snark Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:02:04pm |
re: #125 aagcobb
Today Nate Silver said that unless the polls are statistically biased (not necessarily deliberately, but because they are all making the same fundamental mistake in the makeup of the electorate), the President will be re-elected.
Unskew me a bias, dude.
128 | aagcobb Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:03:21pm |
re: #101 HappyWarrior
Okay, what's with this frequent right wing claim I see about polls that they're using a 2008 model. Aren't these all polls of likely voters as opposed to merely registered voters?
Its bogus. The claim the pollsters are overcounting Democrats when in fact party ID is just one of the things people are telling them. Only Rasmussen tries to achieve a balance of what he thinks the party ID breakdown of the electorate will be, which is why in many swing states only Rasmussen shows Romney ahead or tied.
130 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:03:29pm |
re: #125 aagcobb
Today Nate Silver said that unless the polls are statistically biased (not necessarily deliberately, but because they are all making the same fundamental mistake in the makeup of the electorate), the President will be re-elected.
Yeah I read that. I just don't see how that would be the case. I could be wrong but I think if anything there's an equal if not slightly greater possibility that Obama's support could be underrepresented some.
131 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:04:18pm |
re: #128 aagcobb
Its bogus. The claim the pollsters are overcounting Democrats when in fact party ID is just one of the things people are telling them. Only Rasmussen tries to achieve a balance of what he thinks the party ID breakdown of the electorate will be, which is why in many swing states only Rasmussen shows Romney ahead or tied.
Gotcha figured it was a bogus claim.
132 | aagcobb Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:05:37pm |
re: #107 jaunte
One of my daughters had a first grade teacher who assigned the kids to create a photo-essay of their early lives. Our kids were adopted late, age 3 and 4, and they had no baby photos, so we suggested she draw her pictures. After she turned in her drawings and short bio, the teacher told her she would get a bad grade unless she completed the assignment with photos. She suggested using baby pictures of strangers cut out of magazines.
As the parent of two adopted children, I find that bizarre and offensive.
133 | prairiefire Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:08:13pm |
re: #126 b_sharp
Oh, gosh, special needs kids are screened by kindergarten in my school district. Speech impediment, reading disabilities, they try to catch everything early, now.
135 | aagcobb Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:11:21pm |
re: #130 HappyWarrior
Yeah I read that. I just don't see how that would be the case. I could be wrong but I think if anything there's an equal if not slightly greater possibility that Obama's support could be underrepresented some.
Sometimes the polls are incorrect in one direction or the other. Basically Romney's only hope is that the polls are wrong because democrats are so uninspired compared to 2008 that their turnout is down while Obama hatred inspires record turnout of white male voters. What right-wing analysts miss is the degree to which GOP misogyny, homophobia and racism will inspire the President's electorate to vote, and that outside the GOP base people like the President and recognize the economy is improving.
136 | b_snark Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:12:05pm |
re: #133 prairiefire
Oh, gosh, special needs kids are screened by kindergarten in my school district. Speech impediment, reading disabilities, they try to catch everything early, now.
Exactly as it should be.
But not how the 'I've got mine' crowd wants things.
137 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:13:57pm |
re: #135 aagcobb
Sometimes the polls are incorrect in one direction or the other. Basically Romney's only hope is that the polls are wrong because democrats are so uninspired compared to 2008 that their turnout is down while Obama hatred inspires record turnout of white male voters. What right-wing analysts miss is the degree to which GOP misogyny, homophobia and racism will inspire the President's electorate to vote, and that outside the GOP base people like the President and recognize the economy is improving.
Gotcha. Seems like a lot of wishful thinking on their part.
139 | Targetpractice Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:14:54pm |
re: #135 aagcobb
Sometimes the polls are incorrect in one direction or the other. Basically Romney's only hope is that the polls are wrong because democrats are so uninspired compared to 2008 that their turnout is down while Obama hatred inspires record turnout of white male voters. What right-wing analysts miss is the degree to which GOP misogyny, homophobia and racism will inspire the President's electorate to vote, and that outside the GOP base people like the President and recognize the economy is improving.
Pretty much. At this point, the Romney campaign can only pray that two things work in their favor: Poll sampling errors and voter turnout. If it's sampling errors, then it's possible that Romney holds enough support in one or more swing states to win this thing. If voter turnout, again, he might be able to slip by. But if both are in Obama's favor, then this all may be over before midnight.
140 | freetoken Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:15:47pm |
re: #125 aagcobb
Today Nate Silver said that unless the polls are statistically biased (not necessarily deliberately, but because they are all making the same fundamental mistake in the makeup of the electorate), the President will be re-elected.
Yeah, but Silver's just another who has fallen under the spell of the Marxist Muslim, wearer of the One Ring through whom he'll bring all into the darkness.
141 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:19:26pm |
Just seems to me that Romney needs a lot to not only go right for him but wrong for Obama. And honestly I just don't see that. Maybe it's a bias on my part but what Silver is saying makes a lot more sense to me than those who seem to think Romney will win.
142 | Joanne Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:20:09pm |
re: #107 jaunte
I hope you had a less than friendly chat with that teacher.
143 | aagcobb Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:20:30pm |
re: #140 freetoken
Yeah, but Silver's just another who has fallen under the spell of the Marxist Muslim, wearer of the One Ring through whom he'll bring all into the darkness.
After the election, I wish Silver would sue the right-wingers who claimed he cooked his books for the President for defamation, though I doubt he will. In reality, Silver created a model before the election season and stuck with it, come what may. He also criticized Gallup for changing their model mid-campaign.
144 | aagcobb Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:21:33pm |
re: #141 HappyWarrior
Just seems to me that Romney needs a lot to not only go right for him but wrong for Obama. And honestly I just don't see that. Maybe it's a bias on my part but what Silver is saying makes a lot more sense to me than those who seem to think Romney will win.
You must be part of the reality-based community, which has a well-known liberal bias.
145 | b_snark Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:23:23pm |
I can hardly wait for Tuesday night.
"To hear the lamentations of their women."
146 | efuseakay Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:23:26pm |
147 | efuseakay Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:25:09pm |
149 | moderatelyradicalliberal Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:27:12pm |
re: #145 b_sharp
I can hardly wait for Tuesday night.
"To hear the lamentations of their women."
What is best in life?
150 | Lidane Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:27:40pm |
Watching the remarks by the Big Dog that I missed the first time around.
His voice is shot, but Bill Clinton can still give a hell of a speech. Watching his DNC speech made me curse term limits. Watching this one reminds me why I have always been a fan despite his failings.
152 | freetoken Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:31:37pm |
re: #143 aagcobb
The utter stupidity of the wingnuts is obnoxious but Silver suing someone for defamation would just be a waste of time because he'd have to prove he's been damaged, but in the eyes of most people Silver's image has been enhanced because the majority of people know wingnut idiocy when they see it.
Yes, even the country club Republicans who use the wingnuts as their ground troops, know the difference between real analysis and bullshit.
153 | ozbloke Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:32:07pm |
re: #64 Page 3 in the Binder of Women
Speaking of music. Jon Bon Jovi's acoustic "Living on a Prayer" last night was epic. He and Billy Joel impressed me mucho with their 20 years later sounding great.
20 years on pffft
What about this 45 years on.
Whiter Shade of Pale.
154 | Targetpractice Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:33:07pm |
re: #141 HappyWarrior
Just seems to me that Romney needs a lot to not only go right for him but wrong for Obama. And honestly I just don't see that. Maybe it's a bias on my part but what Silver is saying makes a lot more sense to me than those who seem to think Romney will win.
Ayep, Romney basically has to hope that the polls are not only wrong, but have been so for months. That he's holding leads, even slim ones, that the polls aren't showing. Or that voter turnout reflect '10's turnout rather than '08's.
Really, I've seen Texas Hold'em matches on TV that were closer than this. Silver's odds right now seem like the ones you'd find on TV, watching Romney sweat that he can make his straight on the river without a suit card that would give Obama a flush.
155 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:33:11pm |
Silver's gonna get a sweet deal if he's close to being on target. Some network will offer a lot of money for his services I bet.
156 | ozbloke Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:33:56pm |
re: #153 ozbloke
20 years on pffft
What about this 45 years on.
Whiter Shade of Pale.
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I have to ask for forgiveness, as it was recorded in 2006, so technically it was 39 tears later...
Epic.
157 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:34:51pm |
re: #154 Targetpractice
Ayep, Romney basically has to hope that the polls are not only wrong, but have been so for months. That he's holding leads, even slim ones, that the polls aren't showing. Or that voter turnout reflect '10's turnout rather than '08's.
Really, I've seen Texas Hold'em matches on TV that were closer than this. Silver's odds right now seem like the ones you'd find on TV, watching Romney sweat that he can make his straight on the river without a suit card that would give Obama a flush.
I'm thinking that turnout will be in between 2008 and 2010. Can't see it being as high was it was in 2008 for the Dems but I can't see it being what it was for the Republicans in 2010 either. Dare I quote Nixon here but I think there's a silent majority that supports Obama over Romney.
158 | Joanne Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:35:40pm |
More GOP election fraud? Oregon DOJ investigating potential ballot tampering at Clackamas County Elections Office oregonlive.com/oregon-city/in...— Pam McAllister (@PamMcAllister) November 4, 2012
159 | engineer cat Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:36:23pm |
re: #153 ozbloke
20 years on pffft
What about this 45 years on.
Whiter Shade of Pale.
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160 | Big Joe Ghazi Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:38:34pm |
re: #153 ozbloke
20 years on pffft
What about this 45 years on.
Whiter Shade of Pale.
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how about 60 years on.
161 | ozbloke Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:40:28pm |
re: #159 engineer cat
Oh my...
I bet you love telling kids there is no Santa too.
/ I think I might just hate you now.
What about Stairway to heaven and the theme from Gilligans Island?
162 | b_snark Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:40:58pm |
re: #156 ozbloke
I have to ask for forgiveness, as it was recorded in 2006, so technically it was 39 tears later...
Epic.
Now go find Knights in White Satin.
Time for Moody Blues.
163 | engineer cat Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:41:44pm |
re: #153 ozbloke
20 years on pffft
What about this 45 years on.
Whiter Shade of Pale.
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way back when this first came out i was a high school student, singing bach and other stuff like that in the parochial school choir and chorus. relative to jimi hendrix and the stones and suchlike, procul harum wasn't very well known. but we could tell the influence of j.s. when we heard it, so me and my best friend thought they were great
we thought we were their only fans
164 | Lidane Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:41:49pm |
Nate Silver updates: PBO - 84.4% with 306.5 EV. mittbot down to 15.6%. Make it wider. GOTV. #ObamaBiden2012.fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com— amk4obama (@amk4obama) November 4, 2012
Skewed polls! Evil math! Nate Silver is of teh debil! Eleventy!
165 | Joanne Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:43:58pm |
RT @politicore: RT @blazephoenix_: Gun Shop Owners Thrilled As Sales Skyrocket Out Of Fear Of Obama Re-Election... fb.me/177ikHASC— MIP on SiriusXM 127 (@MakeItPlain) November 4, 2012
167 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:46:01pm |
168 | freetoken Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:46:28pm |
re: #165 Joanne
Haven't you heard? The Usurper is going to jettison the Constitution and stay for a third term.
169 | b_snark Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:46:44pm |
re: #165 Joanne
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If Obama was a threat, he'd be backed by the military. They have the biggest guns.
170 | engineer cat Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:46:58pm |
re: #161 ozbloke
Oh my...
I bet you love telling kids there is no Santa too.
/ I think I might just hate you now.What about Stairway to heaven and the theme from Gilligans Island?
bwahahahaha
171 | freetoken Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:47:07pm |
See here:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
172 | b_snark Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:48:38pm |
re: #163 engineer cat
way back when this first came out i was a high school student, singing bach and other stuff like that in the parochial school choir and chorus. relative to jimi hendrix and the stones and suchlike, procul harum wasn't very well known. but we could tell the influence of j.s. when we heard it, so me and my best friend thought they were great
we thought we were their only fans
Procul Harum were huge up here.
173 | ozbloke Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:49:21pm |
re: #162 b_sharp
Now go find Knights in White Satin.
Time for Moody Blues.
Any time is a good time for the Moody Blues.
Dear Diary
174 | Joanne Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:50:13pm |
RT @politicore: RT @yourblackworld: Running Scared: GOP Spreads Rumor That Obama Had 2.6 GPA in College p.ost.im/p/dBPsRC— MIP on SiriusXM 127 (@MakeItPlain) November 4, 2012
175 | Mattand Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:52:12pm |
re: #145 b_sharp
I can hardly wait for Tuesday night.
"To hear the lamentations of their women."
What is the Riddle of Derp?
176 | ozbloke Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:52:33pm |
re: #163 engineer cat
way back when this first came out i was a high school student, singing bach and other stuff like that in the parochial school choir and chorus. relative to jimi hendrix and the stones and suchlike, procul harum wasn't very well known. but we could tell the influence of j.s. when we heard it, so me and my best friend thought they were great
we thought we were their only fans
I going to rate your JS Bach as True.
When I studied music as a youngster, I only listened/learnt classical as it was a requirement for the AMEB (Australian Music Examinations Board).
I coulda listened more, as I now appreciate it.
177 | Joanne Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:55:05pm |
RT @politicore: RT @opensecretsdc: Donors in the auto industry prefer #Romney by a mile, according to our... fb.me/1phduyKxd— MIP on SiriusXM 127 (@MakeItPlain) November 4, 2012
Ugh.
178 | ozbloke Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:55:23pm |
re: #170 engineer cat
bwahahahaha
Works well, play the verse to stairway to heaven on the guitar, and sing the theme from Gilligans Island.
179 | engineer cat Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:57:23pm |
re: #178 ozbloke
Works well, play the verse to stairway to heaven on the guitar, and sing the theme from Gilligans Island.
huh!
180 | freetoken Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:57:41pm |
Did you know that the first movie (/episode) of Lexx is available on Amazon as a FREE digital download?
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
It may be old news, but I just discovered that.
181 | ozbloke Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:59:35pm |
182 | engineer cat Sat, Nov 3, 2012 10:59:38pm |
183 | aagcobb Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:03:24pm |
re: #165 Joanne
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Obama should be NRA man of the year for all of the guns and ammunition he has sold.
184 | ozbloke Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:11:00pm |
185 | watching you tiny alien kittens are Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:12:59pm |
World History according to Andy Schlafly and Conservapedia...
In November 1980, the first modern conservative was elected president of the United States: Ronald Reagan. President Reagan cut taxes, defeated communism, and had the most original and influential idea of any president in all of American history: the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), or “Star Wars.” This was a plan to use advantaged technology to intercept and destroy, in mid-air, fast-moving missiles that might be launched against the United States.
Reagan’s critics ridiculed SDI as impossible and dangerous. But those criticisms were somewhat contradictory with each other; it was precisely because SDI might be possible that it was so beneficial. The Soviet Union, then led by Mikhail Gorbachev, panicked. Gorbachev met with Reagan at a summit in Reykjavik, Iceland in 1986 in which Gorbachev promised almost anything if Reagan would agree to drop SDI. The media pressure was intense for Reagan to agree. But Reagan stood up for America. He shook his head and he said “no deal.” The next year Reagan made a trip to the Berlin Wall, against the recommendation of his advisers, and declared to the world, “Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!” Sure enough, two years later the Germans did exactly that, and tore down the Berlin Wall built by the communists. Although Reagan and Gorbachev did sign the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty in 1987, which banned missiles with ranges of 300 to 3,400 miles, the historic decision was Reagan’s refusal to sign a treaty at Reykjavik giving up SDI. Communism in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union would soon be vanquished.
Why is it that I can't read this without picturing Andy having to type it one handed?
/
186 | freetoken Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:14:55pm |
On yet another topic, the racist right is in a fit that the statehood item on the Puerto Rico ballot might this time actually get a majority (last time the vote came up it was just shy of 47%.)
If the outcome for statehood is above 50% it will be fascinating to watch what happens.
187 | Ben G. Hazi Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:15:42pm |
re: #185 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
World History according to Andy Schlafly and Conservapedia...
Why is it that I can't read this without picturing Andy having to type it one handed?
/
Egads....
188 | Majacita Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:16:39pm |
That sounds like it was written by someone in fifth grade.
189 | Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:17:42pm |
re: #185 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
World History according to Andy Schlafly and Conservapedia...
Why is it that I can't read this without picturing Andy having to type it one handed?
/
A tendency towards self-flagellation?
190 | Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:18:49pm |
re: #188 Majacita
That sounds like it was written by someone in fifth grade.
In North Korea. All it needs are a few "Dear Leader"s.
191 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:20:39pm |
re: #185 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
World History according to Andy Schlafly and Conservapedia...
Why is it that I can't read this without picturing Andy having to type it one handed?
/
SDI was the most original and innovative idea by any American president in history? I'll have what Andy's having because jeez. Even if you supported SDI, to call it that just shows a complete lack of respect for any of Reagan's predecessors or successors but what does one realistically expect from people who act like Reagan is the only good president we've had.
192 | gwangung Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:23:00pm |
re: #191 HappyWarrior
SDI was the most original and innovative idea by any American president in history?
.
I'd be willing to consider the argument if SDI actually, oh, I don't know, worked (not even talking deployment here...).
193 | engineer cat Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:23:14pm |
re: #185 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
World History according to Andy Schlafly and Conservapedia...
Why is it that I can't read this without picturing Andy having to type it one handed?
/
Why does science work at all?
by Jonathan Sarfati
Many anti-Christians claim that Christianity and science have been enemies for centuries. This is the opposite of the truth. Informed historians of science, including non-Christians, have pointed out that modern science first flourished under a Christian worldview while it was stillborn in other cultures such as ancient Greece, China and Arabia
that's just what aristotle and avicenna said
194 | watching you tiny alien kittens are Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:25:01pm |
re: #188 Majacita
That sounds like it was written by someone in fifth grade.
It might have been. A lot of people do not realize that Andy helps to run a large home schooling group, they provide the curriculum. As part of their coursework they are required to write articles for Conservapedia and Andy grades them based on how closely they have followed his unique version of history and conservatism.
I did a LGF Page on Andy's home schooling scam a while ago...
195 | Targetpractice Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:25:06pm |
re: #185 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
World History according to Andy Schlafly and Conservapedia...
Why is it that I can't read this without picturing Andy having to type it one handed?
/
SDI, one of the biggest jokes in military history. A program that supposedly would provide a virtually impenetrable shield to a Soviet nuclear strike, something we can't even say 30+ years later.
196 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:25:34pm |
re: #192 gwangung
I'd be willing to consider the argument if SDI actually, oh, I don't know, worked (not even talking deployment here...).
No argument here. I just found it amusing that Phyillis's son thinks this is the most creative and innovative policy ever thought of by an American president. The Reagan circle jerk squad acts like he's the only president to have done great things. Makes me queasy thinking about it.
197 | bratwurst Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:26:39pm |
Extra hour tonight...yet another government handout.
198 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:27:23pm |
re: #197 bratwurst
Extra hour tonight...yet another government handout.
Lousy freeloading farmers who think they're victims/
199 | aagcobb Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:27:59pm |
re: #186 freetoken
On yet another topic, the racist right is in a fit that the statehood item on the Puerto Rico ballot might this time actually get a majority (last time the vote came up it was just shy of 47%.)
If the outcome for statehood is above 50% it will be fascinating to watch what happens.
I expect a massive burst of racist opposition to Puerto Rican statehood, based on fear of millions of Hispanics invading our shores from P.R. (I doubt many in the GOP base realize that Puerto Ricans are US citizens).
200 | prairiefire Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:40:04pm |
re: #181 ozbloke
You should take my advice.
I'm not using it.Go on, give it a go...
"You should take my advice. I'm not using it." I'm stealing that.
201 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:42:01pm |
re: #199 aagcobb
I expect a massive burst of racist opposition to Puerto Rican statehood, based on fear of millions of Hispanics invading our shores from P.R. (I doubt many in the GOP base realize that Puerto Ricans are US citizens).
That might not happen. Both Marco Rubio in 2010 and Ted Cruz this year have worked to cultivate Puerto Rican voters in their states, and thus will have heavy incentive to push back. There's not an ethnic difference between Puerto Ricans and most Cubans, so an attack on Puerto Ricans would also be an attack on two of the GOP's own senators. For that reason, if no other, I'd say that people like Sean Hannity and Rich Lowry would pour cold water on the racists.
202 | engineer cat Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:53:49pm |
re: #201 Dark_Falcon
There's not an ethnic difference between Puerto Ricans and most Cubans
i tend to think that they're particular about being distinctly different cultures, and even somewhat different ethnically as well
203 | darthstar Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:54:47pm |
re: #201 Dark_Falcon
There's not an ethnic difference between Puerto Ricans and most Cubans,
I'll give you a hundred bucks to say that in a bar in Miami.
204 | Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:56:33pm |
re: #201 Dark_Falcon
There's not an ethnic difference between Puerto Ricans and most Cubans...
Because the GOP's position on Latinos is based on a nuanced understanding of the various ethnicities encompassed by that umbrella term.
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205 | darthstar Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:58:03pm |
Hey everyone...just got home from a lovely dinner party for a friend's mom's 70th. Private room, two starters, two pastas, pork three ways, and a couple of desserts...wine pairings throughout. Off the fuckin' hook delicious.
206 | Lidane Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:58:16pm |
re: #201 Dark_Falcon
There's not an ethnic difference between Puerto Ricans and most Cubans, so an attack on Puerto Ricans would also be an attack on two of the GOP's own senators.
They're both Latino, but if you think that Puerto Ricans and Cubans are interchangeable, you're delusional.
207 | darthstar Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:59:11pm |
re: #204 Sophist, Gingham Style (AKA Bronco Bama)
Because the GOP's position of Latinos is based on a nuances understanding of the various ethnicities encompassed by that umbrella term.
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Because they're equally despised by the GOP until election time.
208 | Lidane Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:00:21pm |
209 | darthstar Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:04:29pm |
re: #208 Lidane
Heh. Or the Bronx.
I'm just amazed that he manages to keep pulling these kinds of things out of his ass and can pretend he doesn't see the problem with it.
210 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:05:11pm |
re: #203 darthstar
I'll give you a hundred bucks to say that in a bar in Miami.
I'd not take that bet. But I'm not really trying to get into the cultural differences, which I'll admit exist. But what Sen. Rubio did in 2010 was to emphasize the cultural commonalities between Cubans and Puerto Ricans (and Dominicans as well) in order to gain support, and that tactic was fairly successful.
Moreover, the fact remains that most Cubans would regard 'dog whistle' insults of Puerto Ricans as insults to themselves, and would do so with good reason. Thus such attacks would only serve to create conflict between the party base of two fairly important GOP senators.
The Republican Party would do better to be accepting of Puerto Ricans and work to build bridges.
211 | Lidane Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:08:22pm |
re: #210 Dark_Falcon
The Republican Party would do better to be accepting of Puerto Ricans and work to build bridges.
First things first -- the GOP needs to accept things like reality, reason, and all the social, scientific, and cultural progress we've made since Gutenberg invented movable type.
Once that happens, they might be able to graduate to the master classes of accepting various ethnic and minority groups. Baby steps first, though.
212 | Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:09:51pm |
re: #210 Dark_Falcon
The Republican Party would do better to be accepting of Puerto Ricans and work to build bridges.
The Republican party would do better to stop demonizing Latinos as a whole. The question is can they?
213 | Lidane Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:10:30pm |
re: #212 Sophist, Gingham Style (AKA Bronco Bama)
The Republican party would do better to stop demonizing Latinos as a whole. The question is can they?
With "self-deportation" as a political stance? LOL no.
214 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:12:40pm |
re: #213 Lidane
With "self-deportation" as a political stance? LOL no.
That is regarded as appropriate for illegal immigrants. Puerto Ricans are American citizens and Cubans who reach American soil are allowed legal residency. Thus 'self-deport' is non-operational for both.
215 | Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:14:36pm |
re: #214 Dark_Falcon
That is regarded as appropriate for illegal immigrants. Puerto Ricans are American citizens and Cubans who reach American soil are allowed legal residency. Thus 'self-deport' is non-operational for both.
Yes, because everyone works on the "fuck you, I got mine" principle.
216 | Lidane Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:14:38pm |
re: #214 Dark_Falcon
That is regarded as appropriate for illegal immigrants. Puerto Ricans are American citizens and Cubans who reach American soil are allowed legal residency. Thus 'self-deport' is non-operational for both.
You think that the GOP bigots like Arpaio are only going after illegal immigrants? Keep dreaming.
217 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:15:52pm |
[Link: americasvoiceonline.org...] This is from 2010. I think it's a pretty thoughtful analysis on Latinos and both parties.
218 | darthstar Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:17:27pm |
re: #214 Dark_Falcon
That is regarded as appropriate for illegal immigrants. Puerto Ricans are American citizens and Cubans who reach American soil are allowed legal residency. Thus 'self-deport' is non-operational for both.
By who besides Mitt Romney? Who else is dismissive enough of undocumented workers to think starving them out of the country by denying them even the most basic services or respect as humans is a good idea?
And the US deports Cubans all the time.
[Link: miamiherald.typepad.com...]
219 | Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:19:08pm |
re: #214 Dark_Falcon
Also, the people the GOP is riling up against (certain groups) of Latinos are the same types who beat up Sikhs because they think they did 9/11. I doubt Cubans and Puerto Ricans are going to be confident that fine legal distinctions will protect them from the negative consequences of the bigotry the GOP is encouraging.
220 | engineer cat Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:19:12pm |
re: #214 Dark_Falcon
That is regarded as appropriate for illegal immigrants. Puerto Ricans are American citizens and Cubans who reach American soil are allowed legal residency. Thus 'self-deport' is non-operational for both.
besides the other comments, i would add that you are taking the remark masquerading as policy at the literal level
but its real function is not as a policy proposal, but as yet another dog whistle
the reason that the gop keeps shooting itself in the foot in regard to american latinos is that it finds these kind of remarks really stir up the base, and they resort to it in a second every time they need that juice
221 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:19:41pm |
Honestly, in my observations, if the Republicans had been smart politically, they'd continued with Bush's more inclusive approach and rhetoric on immigration. Instead it's been replaced with Romney who talks about self-deportation and hires the writer of the controversial Arizona law as his immigration adviser. Latino voters aren't stupid. They see the GOP's rhetoric to them and they see the Dems as being more inclusive. You can't just put out Marco Rubio and say look at us, we're not bigots see. I thought Rick Perry by and large was an idiot from my observations of him in the primaries but if there's one thing where he struck me as more smart than Mitt Romney, it was on immigration.
222 | engineer cat Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:24:28pm |
re: #221 HappyWarrior
Honestly, in my observations, if the Republicans had been smart politically, they'd continued with Bush's more inclusive approach and rhetoric on immigration. Instead it's been replaced with Romney who talks about self-deportation and hires the writer of the controversial Arizona law as his immigration adviser. Latino voters aren't stupid. They see the GOP's rhetoric to them and they see the Dems as being more inclusive. You can't just put out Marco Rubio and say look at us, we're not bigots see. I thought Rick Perry by and large was an idiot from my observations of him in the primaries but if there's one thing where he struck me as more smart than Mitt Romney, it was on immigration.
bush tried to get the gop to face the fact that if there are ten million illegal aliens from mexico working here, it's because there are ten million jobs that employers want to fill at the rates that mexican immigrants are willing to take
illegal immigration is not a problem about border control and breaking the law, it's a problem about not facing an economic reality that is so compelling that it operates regardless of the outdated immigration policies and laws
the only problem i have with all of the people working here illegally is that that fact leaves them open to economic exploitation
223 | Targetpractice Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:25:05pm |
re: #214 Dark_Falcon
That is regarded as appropriate for illegal immigrants. Puerto Ricans are American citizens and Cubans who reach American soil are allowed legal residency. Thus 'self-deport' is non-operational for both.
Think Lidane hit it rather nicely on the head, we live in a nation where the term "illegal immigrant" does not conjure up the image of a white guy whose work visa expired. Do you think the Cuban or Puerto Rican fellow cares that the cops who just hauled his ass in for failure to provide valid proof of citizenship mistook him as a Latino from another part of the world?
224 | sagehen Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:26:34pm |
re: #214 Dark_Falcon
That is regarded as appropriate for illegal immigrants. Puerto Ricans are American citizens and Cubans who reach American soil are allowed legal residency. Thus 'self-deport' is non-operational for both.
Over the years I have known, and worked with, illegal immigrants from Britain, Australia, the Netherlands and Norway. Pretty much everybody (including some very right wing customers and co-workers) knew they were illegal immigrants, earning cash under the table. Nobody gave them shit about it. They complimented their cute accents, offered to set them up with marriageable neighbors or spinster cousins, puffed out their chests while congratulating these fine illegal immigrants for having the good sense to do whatever they had to (including breaking the law) to come to the Greatest Country on Earth (tm) and try to make a life here.
They did not have a similarly warm attitude towards Mexicans, Salvadorans, Guatemalans, or Americans of Hispanic descent whose families had been in California since before it became a state.
225 | Dark_Falcon Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:29:14pm |
re: #223 Targetpractice
Think Lidane hit it rather nicely on the head, we live in a nation where the term "illegal immigrant" does not conjure up the image of a white guy whose work visa expired. Do you think the Cuban or Puerto Rican fellow cares that the cops who just hauled his ass in for failure to provide valid proof of citizenship mistook him as a Latino from another part of the world?
No. For that reason its important that all states have Driver's Licenses and State IDs that can serve as proof of legal residency. Those from Florida already do. If any police refuse to accept valid ID and make an arrest they know to be false, then they and their department should be sued civilly and penalized by the Department of Justice. I'm not one to tolerate simply ignoring the law like that.
226 | HappyWarrior Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:29:57pm |
re: #222 engineer cat
bush tried to get the gop to face the fact that if there are ten million illegal aliens from mexico working here, it's because there are ten million jobs that employers want to fill at the rates that mexican immigrants are willing to take
illegal immigration is not a problem about border control and breaking the law, it's a problem about not facing an economic reality that is so compelling that it operates regardless of the outdated immigration policies and laws
the only problem i have with all of the people working here illegally is that that fact leaves them open to economic exploitation
Yeah the economic exploitation is a good reason as any I think to support the DREAM ACT. My problem with those who say deport, deport, is they have no regard for the fact that many of the children of illegals that this is the only country they've known. They speak English, they listen to American music, watch American movies, etc. It's home for them. This shit used to upset me first because of the obvious bigotry and insensitivity but it's personal for me too since my future SiL and her family are Peruvian immigrants.
228 | Lidane Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:56:12pm |
re: #218 darthstar
Who else is dismissive enough of undocumented workers to think starving them out of the country by denying them even the most basic services or respect as humans is a good idea?
People who are stupid and naive and who deliberately ignore the ways that American industries like agriculture, meat processing, hospitality, and construction are propped up by illegal immigrants.
229 | Lidane Sat, Nov 3, 2012 11:58:25pm |
re: #225 Dark_Falcon
Dark, no offense, but you're incredibly naive when it comes to issues like immigration and how these Republican dog whistles are viewed by minority voters.
I'm telling you right here, right now, having valid ID of whatever variety isn't going to keep people from getting pissed off because a cop just pulled them over and asked them for papers because of how they looked.
230 | Kragar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:02:48am |
Much better than Mitt's "Vote for me or the GOP kills the economy" speech.
231 | engineer cat Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:04:33am |
actually, i'm sure that "job creators" in general really want the current illegal immigration situation to continue
i can easily imagine them arguing that forcing them to hire legal american workers, with the corresponding increase in wages that would be the result, as an unacceptable "tax" that would force many of them out of business
but they keep quiet because they know what powerful juice anti-latino agitation is for the gop
232 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:13:53am |
re: #228 Lidane
People who are stupid and naive and who deliberately ignore the ways that American industries like agriculture, meat processing, hospitality, and construction are propped up by illegal immigrants.
And therein lies much of the reason why comprehensive immigration reform, of any sincere kind, will remain so hard to do. For any sort of sincere reform will have the following effects for all of those industries:
1. Employment for those involved in said industries will be regularized, with an attendant rise in labor costs. This is inherent is any 'Z-Visa' or 'Guest Worker' program. Once employees are legalized, they can't be paid in cash under the table any more. The need for them to pay taxes and for their wages to comply with minimum wage laws will cause their wages to increase, driving up the costs of employing them. Farms, slaughterhouses, and other businesses employing illegal labor will pass these costs on to their customers. Thus, legalizing an illegal immigrant employed picking fruit as a guest worker will result in the price of said fruit going up, not an attractive prospect for politicians.
2. Automation may look more attractive for those industries. As an example, Japan already has robots that can do hotel, office, and condo vacuuming, but the US does not use them as human labor for such a task is cheaper here. But if you raise the price of labor, corporations providing such a service may decide that its cheaper to buy a robot than employ people at the higher price. So legalization might actually end up losing jobs as businesses switch from people to machines.
This is not to say reform is a bad idea, just to illustrate that it will carry costs and risks. Reasonable questions and comments on the thesis just presented are welcome, flames will be ignored.
234 | Targetpractice Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:24:34am |
I think we should just go ahead and acknowledge that whichever course we choose for "reform," whether it be amnesty or "self deportation," there's going to be sticker shock. If we can't accept that, then reform is DOA.
235 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:27:11am |
236 | researchok Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:28:28am |
re: #227 freetoken
From deep, deep in the FT vault...
237 | Targetpractice Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:30:16am |
re: #235 Dark_Falcon
re: #234 Targetpractice
GMTA
That was more in response to your post. Saying that there will be "risks and costs" is just stating the obvious. Big business has been fighting reform for years, because without a plentiful supply of cheap labor that they can exploit without fear of legal penalty, then they're left either passing on the costs and losing business in a country that has an insatiable hunger for "cheap" goods, or automating out the work.
238 | researchok Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:36:13am |
NYT's QUOTATION OF THE DAY"I am screaming mad because this is an inhumane way to live in the highest property-taxed area of the entire state."
HANK ARKIN, on power failures and a lack of basic necessities on Long Island after Hurricane Sandy.
Yeah, to hell with everyone else.
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239 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:40:51am |
re: #234 Targetpractice
I think we should just go ahead and acknowledge that whichever course we choose for "reform," whether it be amnesty or "self deportation," there's going to be sticker shock. If we can't accept that, then reform is DOA.
We can either have amnesty or police going door to door, checking ID and rounding people up. Cannot imagine us supporting the latter.
240 | efuseakay Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:43:05am |
Automation. If the machines are made (born) in China, shouldn't they just self-deport?
241 | engineer cat Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:45:58am |
passing along the costs
however, the more your product or service is commoditized, the more a business owner would tend to be wary of passing along increases in costs. in a totally commoditized market, cost is your only significant way of distinguishing yourself from your competitor - see target and walmart
if you can absorb the increase in costs without raising your prices, and your competitor can't, you stand to make up in volume what you lose in margin, and potentially make even more money net, or perhaps on the other hand survive and pick up the business in the long run of competitors who fall by the wayside
which is just to say that 'passing along the costs' is not at all inevitable
242 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:46:04am |
We could make things a lot easer regarding illegal immigration (and voter fraud) if we just issued a universal national citizen ID card, the kind that is common in many countries.
Any takes or that?
*crickets*
243 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:47:51am |
re: #237 Targetpractice
That was more in response to your post. Saying that there will be "risks and costs" is just stating the obvious. Big business has been fighting reform for years, because without a plentiful supply of cheap labor that they can exploit without fear of legal penalty, then they're left either passing on the costs and losing business in a country that has an insatiable hunger for "cheap" goods, or automating out the work.
Of course the problems with explaining the costs of reform are that most people are uninformed/short-sighted and that politicians have relatively short time-horizons due to their terms of office. Explaining a reform that entails visible costs to the public is likely a loser, since too many people will always being willing to listen to some slick-talking opponent who will say that the talk of costs is all a plot by (fill-in-the-blank), and if the slick talker is elected he'll make sure that John Q. Public "can have it all!". And even if that slick talker could be smacked down by his party, the fact remains that passing a reform in which the costs come before many of the benefits is liable to get a politician bounced out of office when the voters head for the polls seeing mostly the costs.
I try not to despair, but part of me thinks the whole preceding paragraph could be summarized in two words: "We're fucked."
244 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:48:38am |
re: #242 AK-47%
We could make things a lot easer regarding illegal immigration (and voter fraud) if we just issued a universal national citizen ID card, the kind that is common in many countries.
Any takes or that?
*crickets*
I'd be willing to support that.
245 | researchok Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:52:02am |
re: #239 AK-47%
How's this?
There is a 60 day only window for all illegals to register with the federal government. They will be given ID cards and provisional Social Security cards so that they can get onto the tax rolls.
These cards will allow illegals here to begin the application for citizenship after 10 years, assuming they meet all the necessary criteria. Illegal aliens are moved to the back of those legally seeking American residency and citizenship line. All those who applied legally and played by the rules will be given precedence.
When they register, they must sign a document agreeing that they will obey our laws, both criminal and civil. If they break the law, they agree they become subject to deportation after any criminal charges are dealt with. Children born here and under the age of 18 will not be able to influence residency laws. No family need be broken up- parents are free to return home with their children.
Family reunification will no longer be an accepted way to circumvent immigration laws. If you miss your family so much, the airlines will be happy to transport you back home for a short or extended holiday. Your family are free to apply for immigration just like everyone else.
All illegal aliens who do not comply with registration or other requirements will be subject to deportation after the 60 day window has closed. Families who do not wish to be separated are free to leave and accompany the illegal alien back home.
People who have been legally waiting for years for residency ought not be punished or moved to the back of the line
246 | Targetpractice Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:52:25am |
re: #243 Dark_Falcon
Of course the problems with explaining the costs of reform are that most people are uninformed/short-sighted and that politicians have relatively short time-horizons due to their terms of office. Explaining a reform that entails visible costs to the public is likely a loser, since too many people will always being willing to listen to some slick-talking opponent who will say that the talk of costs is all a plot by (fill-in-the-blank), and if the slick talker is elected he'll make sure that John Q. Public "can have it all!". And even if that slick talker could be smacked down by his party, the fact remains that passing a reform in which the costs come before many of the benefits is liable to get a politician bounced out of office when the voters head for the polls seeing mostly the costs.
I try not to despair, but part of me thinks the whole preceding paragraph could be summarized in two words: "We're fucked."
And we got a slick talker now running for the presidency, who's telling folks that we'll simply set up things where undocumented workers "self deport," which supposedly will save us the cost and headache of chasing those folks out ourselves.
247 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:00:53am |
re: #245 researchok
How's this?
There is a 60 day only window for all illegals to register with the federal government. They will be given ID cards and provisional Social Security cards so that they can get onto the tax rolls.
These cards will allow illegals here to begin the application for citizenship after 10 years, assuming they meet all the necessary criteria. Illegal aliens are moved to the back of those seeking American residency and citizenship line. All those who applied legally and played by the rules will be given precedence.
When they register, they must sign a document agreeing that they will obey our laws, both criminal and civil. If they break the law, they agree they become subject to deportation after any criminal charges are dealt with. Children born here and under the age of 18 will not be able to influence residency laws. No family need be broken up- parents are free to return home with their children.
Family reunification will no longer be an accepted way to circumvent immigration laws. If you miss your family so much, the airlines will be happy to transport you back home for a short or extended holiday. Your family are free to apply for immigration just like everyone else.
All illegal aliens who do not comply with registration or other requirements will be subject to deportation after the 60 day window has closed. Families who do not wish to be separated are free to leave and accompany the illegal alien back home.
People who have been legally waiting for years for residency ought not be punished or moved to the back of the line
The problem with that approach will be the sob-stories about people who "could not get to the right office" or "didn't have their paperwork". For your approach to be implemented, it will mean deporting a man whose wife and children are citizens because he filled out his paperwork incorrectly. The media accounts of that man's deportation are going to stick in a lot of people's craws and cause you to be called "cruel and heartless".
248 | researchok Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:04:34am |
Many people are unhappy because somehow it seems that illegal aliens have ‘gotten away’ with breaking the law.
They are right- they have beat the system and that isn't fair.
Too bad. Life isn't fair.
The vast majority of illegals are hard working people who come here for a better life and to send money home to family- just like the hard working prople have for generations before them.
Those who aren't happy with the system have only themselves to blame.
For 50 years, illegals have been pouring over the borders and no one cared enough to make an issue out of it and to demand it stop. In states like California, this neglect has led to skyrocketing state budgets, healthcare and education costs.
Don’t blame the illegal immigrants for the sins of the successive governments which were elected and did not deal with the problem.
249 | researchok Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:07:36am |
re: #247 Dark_Falcon
That will be a tiny minority. The chance to get legal will bring out even the most deeply hidden
Immigrant communities can help out here.
60 days notice, 60 days to register.
And if this path to legal residency and eventual citizenship leads some to call me 'cold and heartless'- well, so be it.
250 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:12:31am |
re: #249 researchok
That will be a tiny minority. The chance to get legal will bring out even the most deeply hidden
Immigrant communities can help out here.
60 days notice, 60 days to register.
And if this path to legal residency and eventual citizenship leads some to call me 'cold and heartless'- well, so be it.
"Then enjoy your last term in office, Congressman."
That's the line that precludes Congresspeople saying that last thing you wrote.
251 | researchok Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:17:58am |
re: #250 Dark_Falcon
OK by me.
Look, no one is dealing with immigration reality.
Mitt wants to self deport and Obama is deporting in record numbers.
And that's for starters
252 | Mattand Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:34:29am |
I get a kick out of the fact that the GOP seems to forget that self-deportation was made up by a writer from CA of Mexican descent, who was satirizing Republicans' obsession with deporting anything with a tan.
That Romney has actually run with this as actual policy is beyond freaking hilarious. And sad.
253 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:47:54am |
And as long as our border is porous in large stretches, there will always be new illegals finding a way in. that is another hole that nobody is willing to stuff enough money into in order to plug it.
254 | wheat-dogghazi Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:56:22am |
re: #201 Dark_Falcon
There's not an ethnic difference between Puerto Ricans and most Cubans, ...
They, however, see things differently. Despite a common language and common colonial heritage, our neighbors to the south don't always get along with one another so well.
255 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:57:51am |
re: #254 wheat-dogg
They, however, see things differently. Despite a common language and common colonial heritage, our neighbors to the south don't always get along with one another so well.
Gosh, this is even more confusing than the Sunni/Shiite thing with those other dark-skinned people who annoy us by not just doing what we say and leaving us alone otherwise...
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258 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 2:23:07am |
There is something wrong with the "show users" button. Only has one name innit and I ain't one of them.
260 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 2:25:02am |
re: #259 AK-47%
I get the same thing, NoVA Mouse
Yep. And I can't refresh the page although that might be on my end. Not sure.
261 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 4, 2012 2:27:12am |
Shall we go refresh ourselves with some pages, congressman?
262 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 2:33:43am |
I've posted about the monkey that was running loose in Tampa. Now more bad news for those bitten,
Mystery Monkey tests positive for herpes B
Humans who contract the virus can develop encephalitis, a mostly fatal illness that causes swelling of the brain. Of the 22 herpes B cases in recorded history, 15 people have died from encephalitis, according to the National Institutes of Health.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
263 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 2:44:05am |
The Forgotten Long-Term Unemployed
Annie Lowrey and I have an article in Friday’s paper about the gigantic, overlooked underclass of long-term unemployed workers, whose safety net has now frayed bare and whose troubles are probably holding back the overall jobs picture as they become less and less employable. This 4.8-million-strong group has gotten very little attention during the presidential campaign, despite the candidates’ purported focus on the economy.
In fact, in the second debate, when Candy Crowley directly asked the candidates how to alleviate long-term unemployment, Mitt Romney offered some broad statements about joblessness in general before quickly switching topics to the Detroit auto bailout. President Obama never addressed the question at all.
[Link: economix.blogs.nytimes.com...]
264 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 4, 2012 2:55:33am |
re: #263 Cannadian Club Akbar
We have a lot of people who are too poorly trained to be employable and too poorly educated to be trainable.
Cuts in education have long-term effects, and I think this is part of what we are seeing: the decline in the quality of basic education that has been setting in for the past several decades.
265 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 3:03:45am |
re: #264 AK-47%
While this may be true, after 22 years in the restaurant industry, I couldn't get a job in the industry, other than some temp work with a guy I worked for previously, because I had been out of the industry for 4 years when I started applying again. Another thing is most places want you to fill out an application online instead of showing up with a resume. You tend to get lost in the shuffle doing it that way, with 100 people applying for the same job.
266 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 4, 2012 3:06:51am |
re: #265 Cannadian Club Akbar
A friend of mine in the hotel industry tells me that his chain simply cannot use people who are not intelligent enough to grasp complex problems and solve them independently, except as maids and groundskeepers.
267 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 3:12:48am |
re: #266 AK-47%
A friend of mine in the hotel industry tells me that his chain simply cannot use people who are not intelligent enough to grasp complex problems and solve them independently, except as maids and groundskeepers.
Heh. I talk to people and tell them about my management experience and even throw out numbers that I used to run, talk about P and L and how to increase sales. I did an interview with a small chain (7 stores) in Florida back in 2004 or 2005. The guy asked if I had any questions for him and I said, "Yes. What, eventually, does this place have to offer me"? he said, "What is your goal"? I said "To be Director of Operations". Wanna guess what his job title was?
268 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 4, 2012 3:25:25am |
re: #267 Cannadian Club Akbar
...he said, "What is your goal"? I said "To be Director of Operations". Wanna guess what his job title was?
So what was his goal, or had he already reached his level of incompetence?
269 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 3:29:48am |
re: #268 AK-47%
So what was his goal, or had he already reached his level of incompetence?
At the point of the interview, no. By early 2010 they were down to 4 or 5 stores.
270 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 3:43:33am |
This MMA wanna be taunts his opponent, gets KO'd. Heh.
271 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 3:50:51am |
Just wow.
George Lucas Will Donate Disney $4 Billion To Education
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
273 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:11:44am |
Just checked accuweather and this was a hunting tip on the side:
Sleeping with your head inside a sleeping bag will raise the humidity level, making the inside of the bag damp. The dampness will cool as it evaporates, turning your good night's sleep into a chilly one.
1. I did not know this.
2. I don't hunt
3. If it's cold out, why sleep there?
274 | wheat-dogghazi Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:18:19am |
re: #271 Cannadian Club Akbar
I hope it goes toward public education, and not charter schools or the latest bandwagon of "value-added" education (meaning standardized tests to measure how well the "factory workers" -- teachers -- are turning out "widgets" -- students).
Also, you sleep outside because deer typically don't drop by your comfy little house for a cup of tea before you shoot them dead.
275 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:28:54am |
re: #273 Cannadian Club Akbar
Just checked accuweather and this was a hunting tip on the side:
Sleeping with your head inside a sleeping bag will raise the humidity level, making the inside of the bag damp. The dampness will cool as it evaporates, turning your good night's sleep into a chilly one.
1. I did not know this.
2. I don't hunt
3. If it's cold out, why sleep there?
I have a friend who does winter camping at the boundary waters in MN. Purpose? No freaking clue. Who camps in sub-zero weather? Why do people camp in sub-zero weather? I don't get it. Never will. (Of course, I don't get camping in good weather. But that's just me. I like a bed, toilet and hot bath, when I'm roughing it. :-)
276 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:32:27am |
re: #275 Joanne
I've never been camping because I have an irrational fear of bears.
277 | Varek Raith Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:34:31am |
re: #276 Cannadian Club Akbar
I've never been camping because I have an irrational fear of bears.
*Jots that down for future use*
278 | Varek Raith Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:35:38am |
re: #276 Cannadian Club Akbar
I've never been camping because I have an irrational fear of bears.
I don't trust elevators.
Never have.
Never will.
Irrational? I think not.
:P
279 | wheat-dogghazi Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:36:22am |
re: #275 Joanne
I have a friend who does winter camping at the boundary waters in MN. Purpose? No freaking clue. Who camps in sub-zero weather? Why do people camp in sub-zero weather? I don't get it. Never will. (Of course, I don't get camping in good weather. But that's just me. I like a bed, toilet and hot bath, when I'm roughing it. :-)
When I lived in Wyoming, I had two friends (a couple) who were hunters and loved winter camping. Like you, I didn't quite get the appeal, and still don't. Anyway, these two visited Kodiak on a camping trip and loved it so much they moved there!
Maybe it's a way to thumb your nose at Mother Nature and say, yeah, I'm tough enough to sleep outside in weather that will freeze your toes and fingers off.
Me, I'd rather be warm, especially as I approach retirement age.
280 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:37:46am |
re: #278 Varek Raith
I don't trust elevators.
Never have.
Never will.
Irrational? I think not.
:P
I've been to the 102nd floor of the Empire State building. You get to the top using a manually run elevator for the last 22 floors, iirc (on the floor amount).
281 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:42:14am |
re: #275 Joanne
I have a friend who does winter camping at the boundary waters in MN. Purpose? No freaking clue. Who camps in sub-zero weather? Why do people camp in sub-zero weather? I don't get it. Never will. (Of course, I don't get camping in good weather. But that's just me. I like a bed, toilet and hot bath, when I'm roughing it. :-)
Did that once on a hiking trip in the Grand Canyon in December. Down in the Canoyn it warms up during the day and is pleasant, but at night, the Canyon fills up like a bathub with cold air pouring in from the rim.
We had brought a bottle of champagne along to celebrate New Year, I had to sleep with it to keep it from freezing and explosing.
282 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:42:22am |
I bet bears look at humans the way we look at candy bars: fun size, regular and king size.
283 | Decatur Deb Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:43:27am |
re: #276 Cannadian Club Akbar
I've never been camping because I have an irrational fear of bears.
Took our 11-day old daughter 'camping' in E. Kentucky (I was working in the parks.) She spent more than half her life in a tent, at one point. Best line ever from a MIL: "If you kill that kid, I don't want to hear about it."
284 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:43:36am |
re: #282 Cannadian Club Akbar
I bet bears look at humans the way we look at candy bars: fun size, regular and king size.
Remember the Far Side comic with the two polar bears outside an igloo?
"I love these things! Crunchy on the outside, soft and chewy on the inside!"
285 | Varek Raith Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:46:05am |
Biggest bear that ever lived.
Now extinct.
Image: biggest-bear-ever-found-diagram_31977_200x150.jpg
286 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:48:02am |
re: #276 Cannadian Club Akbar
I've never been camping because I have an irrational fear of bears.
Irrational?? Does a bear shit in the woods? Them she and I should not. Nothing irrational there.
287 | Varek Raith Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:48:06am |
re: #285 Varek Raith
Biggest bear that ever lived.
Now extinct.
Image: biggest-bear-ever-found-diagram_31977_200x150.jpg
[Link: news.nationalgeographic.com...]
288 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:48:24am |
This kid ain't afraid of no polar bear!!!
Image: knut%20old.jpg
289 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:49:56am |
re: #279 wheat-dogg
Ok, I'm cold just reading that. I'd love to visit AK. In springtime.
290 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:50:14am |
We used to have meetings at Peppin Distributors (Budweiser) in Tampa. Avid hunters. Had a stuffed grizzly there. About 9 feet tall.
291 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:51:44am |
re: #281 AK-47%
I'd think the champaign IN you would have kept you warmer. :-)
292 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:54:09am |
re: #284 AK-47%
Remember the Far Side comic with the two polar bears outside an igloo?
"I love these things! Crunchy on the outside, soft and chewy on the inside!"
That's one of hubby's fav's.
293 | Flounder Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:55:17am |
Your computer clock is right, all the others are wrong, why didn't anyone tell me!?
Good morning!
294 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:55:43am |
re: #290 Cannadian Club Akbar
We used to have meetings at Peppin Distributors (Budweiser) in Tampa. Avid hunters. Had a stuffed grizzly there. About 9 feet tall.
We walked through the warehouse and my area director told me, "this is where good people go after they die". Heh.
295 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:57:04am |
re: #291 Joanne
I'd think the champaign IN you would have kept you warmer. :-)
Ugh. *champagne
Way too early on a Sunday.
296 | wheat-dogghazi Sun, Nov 4, 2012 5:07:38am |
re: #295 Joanne
Ugh. *champagne
Way too early on a Sunday.
I dunno, champagne breakfast sounds pretty good.
.
.
.
(Yes, I know you meant the spelling ...)
297 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 5:08:59am |
re: #296 wheat-dogg
I dunno, champagne breakfast sounds pretty good.
This is why you're my favorite.
/
298 | wheat-dogghazi Sun, Nov 4, 2012 5:14:11am |
re: #297 Cannadian Club Akbar
Well, I'm only 7000 miles away over the Pole. Come on over!
299 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 4, 2012 5:18:52am |
re: #291 Joanne
I'd think the champaign IN you would have kept you warmer. :-)
I was trying to keep it intact until New Year's Eve...
300 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 5:30:20am |
Hines Ward (Pittsburgh Steelers) on "The Walking Dead".
[Link: www.nfl.com...]
301 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:05:58am |
Official time.
[Link: time.gov...]
302 | Gus Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:08:49am |
re: #201 Dark_Falcon
That might not happen. Both Marco Rubio in 2010 and Ted Cruz this year have worked to cultivate Puerto Rican voters in their states, and thus will have heavy incentive to push back. There's not an ethnic difference between Puerto Ricans and most Cubans, so an attack on Puerto Ricans would also be an attack on two of the GOP's own senators. For that reason, if no other, I'd say that people like Sean Hannity and Rich Lowry would pour cold water on the racists.
I uh. What I meant to say, was, I uh. Uh. I mean. Oh never mind.
303 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:09:42am |
304 | wheat-dogghazi Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:14:40am |
305 | Lidane Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:15:55am |
re: #247 Dark_Falcon
re: #251 researchok
What no one mentions is the fact that our LEGAL immigration standards and processes are completely fucked. One of my cousins is an immigration lawyer. She'd be out of work if the legal process for becoming a citizen wasn't a complete clusterfuck. Even if you have all your papers properly filled out and you do everything by the book it's still a nightmare.
We can't even start to tackle illegal immigration until our legal immigration system is completely overhauled.
307 | KronoGhazi Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:17:03am |
309 | wheat-dogghazi Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:19:55am |
re: #305 Lidane
I also agree. The legal immigration system is a patchwork of contradictory regulations and directives, from what I've heard and read. You have to be one dedicated soul to navigate through all the offices needed to get your papers.
310 | Obdicut Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:22:41am |
re: #305 Lidane
The GOP objection to the DREAM act is repellent especially because it actually restores some sanity to the immigration process. Immigration is a very tricky subject philosophically. While the ultra-liberty-loving side of me says that everyone should have the 'right' to try to make it in the US, the practicality is that we couldn't accept the flood of people who'd just like to be here. Already, though, practical reality selects a sub-population: people who manage to get here. The DREAM act starts very small, just legitimizing the children who came here without documentation, if they don't get into trouble and make something of their lives through education or the military.
Why on earth would we not want those kids as citizens? We are always going to take in immigrants, so why not take in kids who grew up in America and show that they're making something of themselves?
311 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:26:34am |
re: #306 Gus
Yeah, pretty much. Ted Cruz, heh.
He's a So-con, but he has the ability to do an important service for the GOP by broadening its ethnic base. The Republican party needs people who can reach out to non-'white' ethnicities but who also have the sort of power base within the party that will enable them to slap down bigots. Ted Cruz can serve in that role.
Point that needs to be thrown in the face of bigots: "Take a look at the GOP's rising stars along the Third Coast." Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, none of those three is 'white'. The party needs the votes those men can attract and the energy they can bring. Either move towards the future, or get lost."
312 | wheat-dogghazi Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:27:13am |
re: #306 Gus
Yeah, pretty much. Ted Cruz, heh.
Don't know much about him, but just read his wikipedia entry. He was born in Calgary? His dad was born in Cuba and his mom in the USA. He graduated from my alma mater :-( with a BA. And from Harvard Law. He's a Southern Baptist.
The Tea Party likes him, it seems.
I would question dark_falcon's characterization of Cruz as not 'white'. From his background, save his dad's Cuban birth, Cruz is pretty vanilla. Only his name is non-WASP.
Kinda like Obama, come to think of it.
313 | Obdicut Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:29:12am |
re: #311 Dark_Falcon
Point that needs to be thrown in the face of bigots: "Take a look at the GOP's rising stars along the Third Coast." Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, none of those three is 'white'. The party needs the votes those men can attract and the energy they can bring. Either move towards the future, or get lost."
But Dark, the GOP is a party with absolutely bigoted party planks. The opposition to gay rights is bigotry. There is no reason a gay citizen shouldn't have the same rights as you, and your party says otherwise.
314 | Gus Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:29:14am |
re: #311 Dark_Falcon
He's a So-con, but he has the ability to do an important service for the GOP by broadening its ethnic base. The Republican party needs people who can reach out to non-'white' ethnicities but who also have the sort of power base within the party that will enable them to slap down bigots. Ted Cruz can serve in that role.
Point that needs to be thrown in the face of bigots: "Take a look at the GOP's rising stars along the Third Coast." Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, none of those three is 'white'. The party needs the votes those men can attract and the energy they can bring. Either move towards the future, or get lost."
Ted Cruz is Canadian.
315 | Flounder Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:30:44am |
Axelrod on Fox this morning. He seemed very confident. He stated Virginia is the state to watch for early poll results, and if they lose Ohio, Axelrod will lose the mustache.
Beeson, Romney's director, not so confident, he just looked like a wide eyed boot licker, could not directly answer questions about their Jeep ads.
316 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:31:12am |
318 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:32:24am |
re: #315 Shropshire_Slasher
Axelrod on Fox this morning. He seemed very confident. He stated Virginia is the state to watch for early poll results, and if they lose Ohio, Axelrod will lose the mustache.
Beeson, Romney's director, not so confident, he just looked like a wide eyed boot licker, could not directly answer questions about their Jeep ads.
No TV here. Sports talk from Tampa!!!
319 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:33:55am |
re: #314 Gus
Ted Cruz is Canadian.
Fortunately, Calgary is a Conservative stronghold, so he remains unsullied by Socialism.
/tongue-in-cheek
320 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:35:30am |
re: #317 Gus
I try to argue a case in a reasonable and responsive fashion and that's "propaganda"?
Too close to the election, I guess.
321 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:39:08am |
OMG!! The sun is out for the first time in a week!!!
322 | Obdicut Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:40:06am |
re: #320 Dark_Falcon
I try to argue a case in a reasonable and responsive fashion and that's "propaganda"?
Too close to the election, I guess.
Then can you please deal with my point about GOP anti-gay bigotry?
323 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:40:06am |
Here's City Journal's Nicole Gelinas, talking about the importance of New York City's underground infrastructure. No wingnut she, as she gives the MTA unstinted praise for its work in keeping New York going after Hurricane Sandy:
One thing had made the difference even more than the vehicle restrictions: the subways were falteringly running again. The buses that the MTA had restored by Wednesday morning simply couldn’t replace the subways. Still, there were big gaps in Thursday’s subway service. The MTA could provide trains from the Bronx and parts of Queens to midtown Manhattan, and also within parts of Brooklyn. But until it got tubes dry and the power back on, it couldn’t send trains to lower Manhattan or to Brooklyn.
Hence the “bus bridges”: 330 buses to head from downtown Brooklyn over the Williamsburg and Manhattan Bridges through midtown Manhattan to try to close the service gap. Though Mayor Michael Bloomberg wants Sunday’s New York City marathon to be a symbol that New York is open for business and pleasure, the real symbol was the convoys of buses that got New York moving again. The waits were long and the service slow, but MTA managers and workers remained organized and competent throughout. The MTA’s actions hearteningly showed that the agency will always find a way to keep New York moving.
As of Friday afternoon, it’s unclear how long it will take to repair the region’s transportation assets entirely. The MTA is still waiting for power to run subways through downtown. The Metro-North Railroad and the Long Island Rail Road are running limited service, as is New Jersey Transit. But PATH train tubes and stations between Manhattan and New Jersey are still flooded. The Brooklyn Battery Tunnel, too, remains filled end to end with 85 million gallons—what Cuomo called “a mile of water.” Army pumps are draining it. Still severing subway service between Manhattan and Brooklyn is the power blackout in lower Manhattan: subways run on electricity.
324 | Obdicut Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:43:31am |
re: #323 Dark_Falcon
I'll admit that's a non-derpy article from City Journal. However, she's wrong if she thinks New York City is the home of the social media stuff-- that's San Francisco. New York is advertising, marketing, finance, much more than high-tech per se.
325 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:44:28am |
re: #322 Obdicut
Then can you please deal with my point about GOP anti-gay bigotry?
Not much to say about it. What is self-evident to you is seen as craziness by many other people. They don't wish to "indulge" behavior they see as aberrant and immoral.
Note: I'm not saying that I see gayness as immoral; I don't and haven't since I was 15. But others do see it that way, and they form a large part of the Republican Party's voter base.
326 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:47:42am |
re: #324 Obdicut
I'll admit that's a non-derpy article from City Journal. However, she's wrong if she thinks New York City is the home of the social media stuff-- that's San Francisco. New York is advertising, marketing, finance, much more than high-tech per se.
Would you mind updinging it, then? Gus is downdinging all my posts.
327 | sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:52:11am |
328 | Obdicut Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:52:18am |
re: #325 Dark_Falcon
Not much to say about it. What is self-evident to you is seen as craziness by many other people. They don't wish to "indulge" behavior they see as aberrant and immoral.
Note: I'm not saying that I see gayness as immoral; I don't and haven't since I was 15. But others do see it that way, and they form a large part of the Republican Party's voter base.
Yeah. But you're talking about throwing stuff in bigots faces, while ignoring that you're talking about people who are bigots themselves. The GOP can't take a stance against bigotry. It embraces bigotry. At best, it can selectively say it won't tolerate some forms of bigotry, but will others. Religious bigotry is good in the GOP-- the anti-Muslim fanatics are completely unchecked by the party as a whole. The Christian Revanchists use Jews as a fig leaf, but it's not actually a real interest in Jews, especially not American Liberal Jews. THere are many GOP politicians who will state clearly that Christianity should be the guiding principle of the nation. Religious bigotry is entrenched in the GOP.
The election of president Obama revealed and exacerbated the racial bigotry of the GOP. Shit like 'food stamp president', and birtherism-- which is endorsed by Romney, the GOP candidate-- is racist, and completely at home in the GOP. A hundred and fifty years after the Civil War, fifty years after the Civil Rights Movement, the GOP is still struggling mightily with racism, and in many cases not struggling at all with it but embracing it.
What you are saying is that a few individuals who are non-white show something significant in the GOP. But that's not what government is about. It's not about figureheads. The rights of black people didn't suddenly advance when Obama was elected president. Policy matters, actions matter, and that is what the GOP would need to show if they actually want support from minorities: Actions that benefit minorities. Actions that don't directly attack and screw over minorities. Not figureheads.
And don't talk about the GOP rejecting bigotry, because it's not true. The GOP endorses a large number of positions that are bigoted.
329 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:53:19am |
330 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:53:32am |
re: #324 Obdicut
I'll admit that's a non-derpy article from City Journal. However, she's wrong if she thinks New York City is the home of the social media stuff-- that's San Francisco. New York is advertising, marketing, finance, much more than high-tech per se.
Still those occupations depend on the information economy, which does keep her point close enough to be serviceable. Her closing comment about flooded infrastructure meaning "you aren’t going to be designing social-media apps in your bedroom." struck me as a note of warning directed at the public, not New York's leading industries.
331 | Obdicut Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:53:54am |
re: #326 Dark_Falcon
Would you mind updinging it, then? Gus is downdinging all my posts.
Only if you say that you reject Scaife and all his works.
333 | sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:54:44am |
re: #329 Cannadian Club Akbar
Sunshine on my shoulder makes me happy...
Wow,, you must have paid extra
Last time I was at the strip club Sunshine only gave me a lap dance, not a shoulder one!!
/
334 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:55:07am |
re: #331 Obdicut
Only if you say that you reject Scaife and all his works.
I can't say that. I'm not sure what all I'd be rejecting, or even if it'd be wrong.
/I know you may be kidding.
335 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:57:03am |
I see my late arrival has brought me square in the middle of the latest round of LGF Flame Wars. I'd better go don my fire-retardant scales.
336 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:58:34am |
Mornin' gang...happy day before the day before.
Holy crap, DF's still going? That must be some awesome meth.
337 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:58:44am |
re: #335 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
I see my late arrival has brought me square in the middle of the latest round of LGF Flame Wars. I'd better go don my fire-retardant scales.
Na. Pretty calm so far.
338 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:59:19am |
re: #335 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
I see my late arrival has brought me square in the middle of the latest round of LGF Flame Wars. I'd better go don my fire-retardant scales.
I'm not flaming anyone. How do you flame a dopefish anyway? They live underwater.
/
339 | sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:59:36am |
re: #337 Cannadian Club Akbar
Na. Pretty calm so far.
Waiting for Sunshine to come back on the main stage!!
/
341 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:59:58am |
re: #338 Dark_Falcon
I'm not flaming anyone. How do you flame a dopefish anyway? They live underwater.
/
M-80.
/half
342 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:00:26am |
re: #310 Obdicut
Why on earth would we not want those kids as citizens? We are always going to take in immigrants, so why not take in kids who grew up in America and show that they're making something of themselves?
Even the standard argument "But they broke the law!" does not apply to children who are brought here by their parents. I do not undersand it other than a knee-jerk xenophobic reaction.
343 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:00:27am |
re: #336 darthstar
Mornin' gang...happy day before the day before.
Holy crap, DF's still going? That must be some awesome meth.
No, I was sleeping for a few hours. My sleep rhythm was seriously out of whack last night.
344 | Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:01:08am |
re: #338 Dark_Falcon
I'm not flaming anyone. How do you flame a dopefish anyway? They live underwater.
/
Like I'm going to tell the likes of YOU my one weakness./
345 | ninja cat Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:02:06am |
re: #315 Shropshire_Slasher
I was hoping Axe would repeat the "coming from his loins" quote, if only to see the RW heads explode.
346 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:04:01am |
I could have just won a prize pack from my sports talk but you have to go to Tampa to pick it up.:( (via trivia question)
347 | Flounder Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:04:08am |
re: #345 ninja cat
How did you get a picture of my putty tat?!
/
My black cat is named Pickles, we also have freckles and skittles.
348 | makeitstopghazi Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:05:51am |
Morning, Lizards,
Today was supposed to have been my day to sleep in. Instead, I was wide awake at 8:00 this morning.
Stupid clocks.
349 | Flounder Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:07:02am |
This is as close to sports as I can get.
Dennis Rodman still living life like a rock star.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
350 | ninja cat Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:08:45am |
re: #347 Shropshire_Slasher
That is my Odie, aka ninja cat. He is particularly fond of, and good at, entangling himself in legs so you fall down and go boom.
351 | dragonath Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:10:24am |
re: #311 Dark_Falcon
Point that needs to be thrown in the face of bigots: "Take a look at the GOP's rising stars along the Third Coast." Bobby Jindal, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, none of those three is 'white'. The party needs the votes those men can attract and the energy they can bring. Either move towards the future, or get lost."
I can't believe you would call Bobby "Exorcist" Jindal and Ted "UN Golf Courses" Cruz rising stars. Even Rubio was saying stupid stuff like "faith in God is the most important American value".
This is the best you got? Really?
352 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:14:53am |
re: #351 dragonath
I can't believe you would call Bobby "Exorcist" Jindal and Ted "UN Golf Courses" Cruz rising stars. Even Rubio was saying stupid stuff like "faith in God is the most important American value".
This is the best you got? Really?
Ethnically speaking, there are no differences between them.
//
Sorry, DF, but I'm still face-palming over that one eight hours later.
353 | dragonath Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:17:00am |
COMING SOON from City Journal!!!
MICHAEL KNOX BERAN
Abolish Social Studies
Born a century ago, the pseudo-discipline has outlived its uselessness.
Because the 45% of Birthers in the GOP is too few
354 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:18:40am |
Is it too late to ask Mitt Romney to release his taxes? #p2— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 4, 2012
355 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:19:12am |
re: #352 darthstar
Sorry, DF, but I'm still face-palming over that one eight hours later.
I said it the wrong way. I was trying to point out that someone slurring Puerto Ricans would be slurring Cubans as well and that would mean they would be slurring one and soon to be two Republican senators. I was trying to point out why bigotry isn't a good idea. If it came out wrong, I'm sorry.
356 | Lidane Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:21:14am |
re: #311 Dark_Falcon
He's a So-con, but he has the ability to do an important service for the GOP by broadening its ethnic base.
Broadening the base isn't enough. Ted Cruz embodies every shitty idea that the GOP has, which is the real problem.
Again, we have to go back to the Republican party accepting reality first. They have to do that before they can ever think about broadening their base or understanding minority voters.
357 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:21:27am |
358 | dragonath Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:23:10am |
359 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:24:49am |
re: #355 Dark_Falcon
No worries.
By the way, I know you see Rubio, Cruz, Jindal as shining examples that the GOP isn't racist at its core right now, but these guys are hand picked and trained by the GOP so they'll support GOP's oppressive policies. See Rubio and opposition to the DREAM act, or Jindal and voucherized education in LA.
360 | Daniel Ballard Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:24:58am |
Good morning. I'm sore, feels like I fell back.
:-)
361 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:27:25am |
re: #358 dragonath
Birthers are your problem, not mine.
And I hammer them as best as a man may where ever I encounter them.
362 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:27:47am |
Stuck in a long line to vote in #Florida?Make time go quickly by starting a "FUCK YOU SCOTT BROWN" chant with the people near you. #p2— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 4, 2012
363 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:29:44am |
re: #361 Dark_Falcon
And I hammer them as best as a man may where ever I encounter them.
Except birther Mitt Romney...him you'll vote for. And yes, he's gone birther consistently throughout this campaign. Worse, he's gone racist in the closing days with the resurrection of his welfare lie ads.
364 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:29:46am |
re: #362 darthstar
[prissy]That's crude, rude and indecent. Shame on you.[/prissy]
When it comes to things like that, I'm a priss, I admit it.
365 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:31:42am |
re: #351 dragonath
I can't believe you would call Bobby "Exorcist" Jindal and Ted "UN Golf Courses" Cruz rising stars. Even Rubio was saying stupid stuff like "faith in God is the most important American value".
This is the best you got? Really?
Well, they are rising stars in the GOP which is indicitive of how bad the GOP is. Read anything Rubio says. He understands policy like Ryan does, which means barely. Jindal's volcano monitoring speech was laughable (Kenneth the Page). They're all lazy thinkers.
If this is the best, the GOP is truly and deeply fucked. To which I say, GOOD. We need a sane oppo party.
366 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:31:59am |
RT @theonlyadult: Just a few people are waiting for Obama in NH. instagram.com/p/RnFhFzlDTk/— helen(@liberalchik) November 4, 2012
367 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:34:48am |
re: #364 Dark_Falcon
[prissy]That's crude, rude and indecent. Shame on you.[/prissy]
When it comes to things like that, I'm a priss, I admit it.
You do realize that 'priss' is a term used to describe a girl who's being a total dick, right? I think you meant to say 'prude'...
368 | dragonath Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:35:35am |
Joe Arpaio
Donald Trump
Bobby Jindal
Ken Bennett
Kris Kobach
Mitt Romney could end this farce in three seconds by reiterating that Obama is a citizen by natural birth. The fucking end.
He can't. He won't. Because his candidacy relies on bigots with a subterranean grasp of civics.
369 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:35:38am |
re: #367 darthstar
You do realize that 'priss' is a term used to describe a girl who's being a total dick, right? I think you meant to say 'prude'...
fine.
370 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:37:17am |
Mitt Romney's final insult to the American electorate: Attacking Obama for urging people to vote: wapo.st/RzqG7x— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) November 4, 2012
371 | HappyWarrior Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:37:20am |
re: #368 dragonath
Joe Arpaio
Donald Trump
Bobby Jindal
Ken Bennett
Kris KobachMitt Romney could end this farce in three seconds by reiterating that Obama is a citizen by natural birth. The fucking end.
He can't. He won't. Because his candidacy relies on bigots with a subterranean grasp of civics.
Well that and he's a political coward.
372 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:37:59am |
373 | HappyWarrior Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:39:29am |
re: #370 darthstar
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Another day, another moment of Romney being a patronizing dick. Just one full more day of this I hope and then hopefully we hardly have to hear from him again unless we're paying to hear him speak.
374 | Lidane Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:40:14am |
re: #371 HappyWarrior
Well that and he's a
politicalcoward.
Mitt's just a flat out coward.
Protesting in favor of the Vietnam draft then running and hiding in a French castle says everything you need to know about Mitt Romney. The rest is details.
376 | HappyWarrior Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:42:02am |
re: #374 Lidane
Mitt's just a flat out coward.
Protesting in favor of the Vietnam draft then running and hiding in a French castle says everything you need to know about Mitt Romney. The rest is details.
True that. Takes a brave man to do that.// I'm sick of him. Sick of him lying his ass off because he has nothing of real substance to offer.
377 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:42:13am |
re: #375 Joanne
Shouldn't that be Rick Scott?
Interchangeable dickhead parts...Scott Walker...Rick Scott..Scott Brown...
378 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:42:40am |
Wow...that guy in the brown pants has a huge...balloon.
What it takes: Romney staffer crouched in corner of rally blowing campaign balloons instagr.am/p/RnOnaEjYRB/— Sarah Boxer (@Sarah_Boxer) November 4, 2012
379 | nemus Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:43:04am |
re: #373 HappyWarrior
Another day, another moment of Romney being a patronizing dick. Just one full more day of this I hope and then hopefully we hardly have to hear from him again unless we're paying to hear him speak.
Oh don't worry - I truly feel that as of November 7th you won't hear pretty much anything from Romney for a LONG time. I am curious to see what the GOP does with him / his image, though - does he become persona non grata? Also - what does Paul Ryan do..
380 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:43:29am |
381 | Obdicut Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:44:39am |
re: #361 Dark_Falcon
And I hammer them as best as a man may where ever I encounter them.
Yeah, you sure hammered Mitt Romney by voting for him.
No, wait, the opposite.
382 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:45:50am |
re: #375 Joanne
Shouldn't that be Rick Scott?
Thanks for the catch...fixed.
Florida voters stuck in line...how about starting a "FUCK YOU RICK SCOTT" chant to pass the time? #p2 (sorry about the scott brown post)— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 4, 2012
383 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:47:47am |
re: #382 darthstar
Thanks for the catch...fixed.
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I was gonna mention it but I was hoping they were gonna take away your "I hate Republicans" membership card.
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384 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:48:16am |
re: #370 darthstar
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Obama said "Voting is the best revenge." Whatever the context, that's aline that practically begs to be run back on an adversary.
385 | GeneJockey Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:49:26am |
re: #343 Dark_Falcon
No, I was sleeping for a few hours. My sleep rhythm was seriously out of whack last night.
You got a whole extra hour, and you wasted it. Typical Conservative.
Give them a surplus, they turn it into a deficit.
Give them peace, they start a war.
Give them a healthy economy, they turn it into a smoking crater.
Give them an extra hour to sleep, and they stay up all night.
386 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:50:57am |
re: #378 darthstar
Wow...that guy in the brown pants has a huge...balloon.
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Okay...needed to make it auto-visible.
Heh...1,000 words twitter.com/darthstar99/st...— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 4, 2012
387 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:51:11am |
re: #370 darthstar
Out of context like You Didn't Build That. Lies, subterfuge, obfuscate, and lie some more. No policy positions at all (each has so many multiple choices no one knows what he stands for or against). Honestly I'm sick of looking at him. He embodies everything wrong in politics.
388 | makeitstopghazi Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:51:28am |
I meant to post this yesterday - a very long but very good read from Rick Perlstein - 'The Long Con.' It traces the blatant Republican lying we're seeing now back to the beginnings of Viguirie's direct mail campaigns.
Spoiler: It's always been all about fleecing the rubes.
There’s a lot going on with Romney’s lying, not all of it related to his conservative identity; he was making things up as a habit, after all, back when he was a Massachusetts moderate. To a certain extent, Romney’s lies are explicable in just the way a lot of pundits are explaining them. When you’ve been all over the map ideologically, and you’re selling yourself to a party now built on extremist ideological purity, it takes a lot of tale-telling to cover your back. But that doesn’t explain one overlooked proviso: these lies are as transparent to his Republican colleagues as they are to any other sentient being. Nor does it account for a still more curious fact—for all the objections that conservatives have aired over Romney’s suspect purity in these last months, not one prominent conservative has made Romney’s dishonesty part of the brief against him.
It’s time, in other words, to consider whether Romney’s fluidity with the truth is, in fact, a feature and not a bug: a constituent part of his appeal to conservatives. The point here is not just that he lies when he says conservative things, even if he believes something different in his heart of hearts—but that lying is what makes you sound the way a conservative is supposed to sound, in pretty much the same way that curlicuing all around the note makes you sound like a contestant on American Idol is supposed to sound.
In part the New York Times had it right, for as much as it’s worth: Romney’s prevarications are evidence of simple political hucksterism—“short, utterly false sound bites,” repeated “so often that millions of Americans believe them to be the truth.” But the Times misses the bigger picture. Each constituent lie is an instance pointing to a larger, elaborately constructed “truth,” the one central to the right-wing appeal for generations: that liberalism is a species of madness—an esoteric cult of out-of-touch, Europe-besotted ivory tower elites—and conservatism is the creed of regular Americans and vouchsafes the eternal prosperity, security, and moral excellence of God’s chosen nation, which was doing just fine before Bolsheviks started gumming up the works.
A Romney lie in this vein is a pure Ronald Reagan imitation—as in this utterance from 2007: “In France,” Romney announced on the campaign trail, “I’m told that marriage is now frequently contracted in seven-year terms where either party may move on when their term is up.” And just as Reagan was found to be reciting film dialogue and jump-cutting anecdotes from his on-screen career into his pseudobiographical reminiscences on the stump, so it turns out that Romney picked up the marriage canard from the Homecoming Saga, a science fiction series written by Mormon author Orson Scott Card. (Another reason for students of Romney’s intellectual development to queasily recall that he told interviewers during that same 2008 presidential run that his favorite work of fiction was Battlefield Earth, the sci-fi opus by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, a consummate shakedown artist in his own right.)
Either deliberately or through some Reaganesque slip of the unconscious, Romney’s stump confabulations worked the same way that those legendary Viguerie direct-mail appeals did: since reality is never Manichean enough, fables have to do the requisite ideological heavy lifting—to frighten the target audience to do the fabulists’ will. That’s the logic of the pitch for the quivering conservative masses.
389 | dragonath Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:51:29am |
re: #355 Dark_Falcon
I said it the wrong way. I was trying to point out that someone slurring Puerto Ricans would be slurring Cubans as well and that would mean they would be slurring one and soon to be two Republican senators. I was trying to point out why bigotry isn't a good idea. If it came out wrong, I'm sorry.
And I think this paragraph describes your myopic view of American politics perfectly. It shouldn't give one pause to spread their bigotry because one of their number is a Republican. It should give them pause because they are AMERICANS first and foremost.
Most people don't identify themselves through their political party. Perhaps if more of your number had a greater grasp of civics rather than loyalty, this country would be a better place.
391 | HappyWarrior Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:51:43am |
re: #379 nemus
Oh don't worry - I truly feel that as of November 7th you won't hear pretty much anything from Romney for a LONG time. I am curious to see what the GOP does with him / his image, though - does he become persona non grata? Also - what does Paul Ryan do..
I don't know what they'll do with him but I totally expect him to make the big bucks from the paid public speaker business. Nothing wrong with that of course but it's going to be funny to see him lining his pockets more while he claims that the economy is in taters.
392 | jaunte Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:51:47am |
The legal fight for Ohio's votes is already here and here to stay.
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Voter advocates are criticizing an order by Ohio's elections chief dealing with the casting of provisional ballots. Advocates are saying on Saturday that the order by Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted late Friday wrongly puts the burden of recording the form of ID used on a provisional ballot on voters, not pollworkers ....
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Columbus Dispatch: "The bottom line is that (Secretary of State Jon Husted) designed a form that violates Ohio law by improperly shifting to voters the poll workers' information-recording responsibilities regarding ID to voters, and then he wants to trash votes where there is a problem with the form on the section he misassigned to voters," said Cleveland attorney Subodh Chandra, who filed the motion ....
[Link: www.dispatch.com...]
393 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:52:08am |
re: #383 Cannadian Club Akbar
I was gonna mention it but I was hoping they were gonna take away your "I hate Republicans" membership card.
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I don't hate all Republicans. I love my parents.
394 | ninja cat Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:54:39am |
re: #379 nemus
I think he'll go the W route and just disappear. I don't see any rabid passion he inspires in any of the people that will vote for him, other than he's not Obama. Nor do I see him getting behind any cause ala the Clinton Global Initiative because he doesn't actually give a damn. There's not much of a selling point of a twice failed candidate.
Ryan. Where is he, seriously? He's been disappeared.
395 | HappyWarrior Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:54:49am |
re: #392 jaunte
The legal fight for Ohio's votes is already here and here to stay.
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Voter advocates are criticizing an order by Ohio's elections chief dealing with the casting of provisional ballots. Advocates are saying on Saturday that the order by Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted late Friday wrongly puts the burden of recording the form of ID used on a provisional ballot on voters, not pollworkers ....
........
Columbus Dispatch: "The bottom line is that (Secretary of State Jon Husted) designed a form that violates Ohio law by improperly shifting to voters the poll workers' information-recording responsibilities regarding ID to voters, and then he wants to trash votes where there is a problem with the form on the section he misassigned to voters," said Cleveland attorney Subodh Chandra, who filed the motion ....
[Link: www.dispatch.com...]
What the fuck is wrong with Husted? By any means necessary I guess huh. Hope he has egg on his face when Obama wins pretty big in Ohio and he looks like an idiot for wasting his time.
396 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:55:21am |
re: #389 dragonath
And I think this paragraph describes your myopic view of American politics perfectly. It shouldn't give one pause to spread their bigotry because one of their number is a Republican. It should give them pause because they are AMERICANS first and foremost.
Most people don't identify themselves through their political party. Perhaps if more of your number had a greater grasp of civics rather than loyalty, this country would be a better place.
Have a care, Dragonath. I understand that portion I bolded as well as you do. But I didn't explain all the details in a effort to keep my post shorter and clearer. A post that explained my views out in detail would have been much longer and less readable.
397 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:55:54am |
re: #384 Dark_Falcon
Obama said "Voting is the best revenge." Whatever the context, that's aline that practically begs to be run back on an adversary.
It can and it is fair game by the current standards of US politicking. But it is being spun to imply that Angry Black Men should take revenge on successful white people, and that is the ugly subtext here.
398 | jaunte Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:56:07am |
Florida Early Voting, Cont'd: The Last of the Last-Minute
In the middle of the night last night, the Florida Democratic party went into federal court to extend the state's early-voting period.
.........
...The suit should be seen especially as a precursor to the national legal apocalypse that's likely to ensue in the wake of a close election on Tuesday. It may be the end of this particular fight, but this is just the beginning.
399 | Lidane Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:56:33am |
re: #384 Dark_Falcon
Obama said "Voting is the best revenge." Whatever the context, that's aline that practically begs to be run back on an adversary.
Sure, as soon as someone explains how encouraging voting as the best revenge is a bad thing.
The RWNJ freakout over that line is just a bunch of pathetic, stupid derp.
400 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:56:46am |
re: #384 Dark_Falcon
Obama said "Voting is the best revenge." Whatever the context, that's aline that practically begs to be run back on an adversary.
And Romney's just upset and jealous that he didn't think of it first. It would have been a major campaign slogan if one of those highly paid advisors of his had just thought of saying, in one of their several brainstorming sessions, "Why don't we frame the election as an act of vengeance against Obama's policies?" There would be posters and buttons with a check-box with Obama's picture in it. It's a simple, motivating statement. Completely devoid of negativity.
401 | GeneJockey Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:57:00am |
402 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:58:07am |
re: #394 ninja cat
I think he'll go the W route and just disappear. I don't see any rabid passion he inspires in any of the people that will vote for him, other than he's not Obama. Nor do I see him getting behind any cause ala the Clinton Global Initiative because he doesn't actually give a damn. There's not much of a selling point of a twice failed candidate.
Ryan. Where is he, seriously? He's been disappeared.
Ryan's watching his congressional race with a serious case of butt-pucker. If he loses that, then the Ayn Rand economic policies of his dreams all go up in smoke.
403 | ninja cat Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:59:31am |
re: #384 Dark_Falcon
Only a desperate campaign would find that begging.
404 | HappyWarrior Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:00:44am |
re: #402 darthstar
Ryan's watching his congressional race with a serious case of butt-pucker. If he loses that, then the Ayn Rand economic policies of his dreams all go up in smoke.
I don't see him losing that but I bet you it will be more competitive than it's been for him in the past and he will be targeted heavily especially if Obama wins his district which I believe he did in 2008 in a couple years. Honestly, I think Ryan deep down knows his appeal is pretty limited. He's been in Congress for a while now and is still a young guy and yet balked at the chance to run for governor and senator in 2010- two seats that fellow Republicans Walker and the guy who beat Feingold won.
405 | dragonath Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:01:17am |
re: #396 Dark_Falcon
Then cast aside this party bullshit. Please.
406 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:02:46am |
re: #398 jaunte
For the record, Illinois does not allow early voting the Sunday before election day either. So for Florida to do so is not in and of itself an act of disenfranchisement.
407 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:03:50am |
re: #403 ninja cat
Only a desperate campaign would find that begging.
They act like it was the centerpiece of his message. And Romney's delivery when he is trying to sound convincing (the rising timber in his voice) betrays it for the desperate grasp that it is. "We should be voting for love of country!" he squeaks, like those annoying kids in holiday shows making an appeal to our sense of decency and generosity.
408 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:05:29am |
re: #379 nemus
Oh don't worry - I truly feel that as of November 7th you won't hear pretty much anything from Romney for a LONG time. I am curious to see what the GOP does with him / his image, though - does he become persona non grata? Also - what does Paul Ryan do..
If we're really, really lucky, Ryan loses under Romney and also loses his house seat to Zerban. Then he can go to K Street officially and not under the guise of an elected official.
410 | HappyWarrior Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:06:42am |
Of course, if Obama had let the boo birds fly then Romney or one of his surrogates would complain that Obama and his supporters are unruly and hateful. Romney meanwhile can be mush-mouthed when he's dealing with birthers because he's different, he's Mitt fucking Romney and don't you forget that.
411 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:07:05am |
Every Sunday show just going 18 rounds on the Jeep ad. Incredible risk for Romney to have taken.— Alex Burns (@aburnspolitico) November 4, 2012
412 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:07:26am |
413 | sagehen Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:07:42am |
re: #384 Dark_Falcon
Obama said "Voting is the best revenge." Whatever the context, that's aline that practically begs to be run back on an adversary.
When people spend countless hours of effort twisting laws, writing new laws, and sometimes breaking laws, to try to keep you from voting... then yes, voting is the best revenge.
Unless you'd prefer they resort to 2nd Amendment solutions?
414 | jaunte Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:09:40am |
ORLANDO, Fla. — A judge has ordered Orange County to open up early voting for four more hours.
[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]
415 | HappyWarrior Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:10:00am |
re: #414 jaunte
ORLANDO, Fla. — A judge has ordered Orange County to open up early voting for four more hours.
[Link: www.palmbeachpost.com...]
Tyrants in robes.//
416 | HappyWarrior Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:11:15am |
Fucking Rick Scott should just be lucky he's not in jail but no he shows the people of his state contempt for daring to take advantage of what's in their right as a citizen.
417 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:11:29am |
re: #391 HappyWarrior
I don't know what they'll do with him but I totally expect him to make the big bucks from the paid public speaker business. Nothing wrong with that of course but it's going to be funny to see him lining his pockets more while he claims that the economy is in taters.
Ah, yes, speaking engagements...that $300,000 in pocket change he spoke of.
418 | Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:12:09am |
re: #414 jaunte
I've lived in Winter Park. And in Palm Beach County on Singer Island.
419 | HappyWarrior Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:14:19am |
re: #417 Joanne
Ah, yes, speaking engagements...that $300,000 in pocket change he spoke of.
Yeah that's what he was doing pretty much after McCain beat him and before he formally declared. It was part of his "I'm unemployed too" schtick. Shit, if it only we all could make good money giving speeches telling people what they want to hear.
420 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:14:29am |
re: #370 darthstar
Mitt Romney's final insult to the American electorate: Attacking Obama for urging people to vote: wapo.st/RzqG7x— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) November 4, 2012
Reposting to share this from the comments:
Obama used a variation of what is known as a figure of speech, for the record when you say 'I could eat a horse' there is no need for Peta to get outraged and saying there are plenty more fish in the sea when dissapointerd in love doesn't mean you are a piscophiliac or fishlover.
421 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:14:45am |
re: #394 ninja cat
Ryan is hiding from the press (as is Romney) for fear he'll display his lack of policy understanding again. Collectively, they have a policy IQ of about 75.
Real tough guys, those two. Courageous to the core. /
423 | gwangung Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:17:37am |
re: #421 Joanne
Ryan is hiding from the press (as is Romney) for fear he'll display his lack of policy understanding again. Collectively, they have a policy IQ of about 75.
Real tough guys, those two. Courageous to the core. /
Well, we have apologists here saying that this is "smart".
Whatever.
425 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:19:00am |
426 | jaunte Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:19:27am |
Miami-Dade to allow voters to request and cast absentee ballots in person Sunday
...A spokeswoman said the department made the decision Saturday night after seeing such long early voting lines — the last voter wasn’t checked in until 1 a.m. Voters in line at 7 p.m. Saturday were allowed to vote.
A loophole in a state law that eliminated early voting the Sunday before Election Day allows elections supervisors to accept in-person absentee ballots through 7 p.m. Tuesday.
427 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:20:13am |
re: #406 Dark_Falcon
For the record, Illinois does not allow early voting the Sunday before election day either. So for Florida to do so is not in and of itself an act of disenfranchisement.
FL isn't IL. FL has had early voting for years. Its been shown that black bote heavily The Sunday before election day. Blacks tend to vote Dem. That's unacceptable, hence no more today voting. THAT'S why.
428 | Daniel Ballard Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:20:19am |
And on another topic, I just love it when a thief gets prison.
Camcording Movie Pirates Sentenced to Prison
429 | sagehen Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:21:00am |
re: #424 Varek Raith
Obama - 85.1%
Romney - 14.9%
Coincidentally, that's the expected vote tally in my zip code. (and still and R improvement over last time, when it was Obama 86% to Mcain's 14%).
430 | dragonath Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:22:31am |
re: #406 Dark_Falcon
For the record, Illinois does not allow early voting the Sunday before election day either. So for Florida to do so is not in and of itself an act of disenfranchisement.
It really isn't fair for people to lose their early voting privileges because there was a bomb scare of all things.
431 | SpaceJesus Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:23:15am |
Miami-Dade has decided to extend early voting without seeking Rick Scott's permission.
[Link: my.barackobama.com...]
432 | jaunte Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:24:23am |
Eleventh-Hour GOP Voter Suppression Could Swing Ohio
...In an order to election officials on Friday night, Husted shifted the burden of correctly filling out a provisional ballot from the poll worker to the voter, specifically pertaining to the recording of a voter’s form of ID, which was previously the poll worker’s responsibility.
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In 2008, 40,000 of the 207,000 provisional ballots cast in Ohio were rejected. The majority of the state’s provisional ballots were cast in Ohio’s five largest counties, which are strongly Democratic. Moreover, provisional ballots are more likely to be cast by poorer and more transient residents of the state, who are also less likely to vote Republican.
433 | HappyWarrior Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:26:03am |
re: #432 jaunte
Yeah, nothing suspicious about that at all. Would be nice if Husted just came out and said, I'm doing everything n my power to prevent a Democratic victory in my state. It would be honest at least.
434 | gwangung Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:27:03am |
re: #433 HappyWarrior
Yeah, nothing suspicious about that at all. Would be nice if Husted just came out and said, I'm doing everything n my power to prevent a Democratic victory in my state. It would be honest at least.
He can't be honest; he's a Republican.
435 | HappyWarrior Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:27:17am |
436 | jaunte Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:28:25am |
re: #433 HappyWarrior
I think giving up on encouraging the vote and relying on game playing is the beginning of the end for the Republican party
437 | SpaceJesus Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:29:20am |
I sincerely hope that Husted gets hit by a bus
438 | darthstar Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:29:37am |
439 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:30:45am |
States can decide on any sort of election rules for anything below state level, but I think it is time for the Federal government to set and maintain standards, procedures and policies for national elections. This would pull the rug out from under petty dickheads like Jon Husted.
440 | HappyWarrior Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:30:50am |
re: #436 jaunte
I think giving up on encouraging the vote and relying on game playing is the beginning of the end for the Republican party
It really is pathetic.
441 | jaunte Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:32:15am |
Ohio Revised Code 3505.181 (B)(6):
"(6) If, at the time that an individual casts a provisional ballot, the individual provides identification in the form of a current and valid photo identification, a military identification , or a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document, other than a notice of an election mailed by a board of elections under section 3501.19 of the Revised Code or a notice of voter registration mailed by a board of elections under section 3503.19 of the Revised Code, that shows the individual’s name and current address, or provides the last four digits of the individual’s social security number, or executes an affirmation that the elector does not have any of those forms of identification or the last four digits of the individual’s social security number because the individual does not have a social security number, or declines to execute such an affirmation, the appropriate local election official shall record the type of identification provided, the social security number information, the fact that the affirmation was executed, or the fact that the individual declined to execute such an affirmation and include that information with the transmission of the ballot or voter or address information under division (B)(3) of this section. If the individual declines to execute such an affirmation, the appropriate local election official shall record the individual’s name and include that information with the transmission of the ballot under division (B)(3) of this section."
"The Appropriate Election Official" is not the voter.
442 | garhighway Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:34:29am |
re: #406 Dark_Falcon
For the record, Illinois does not allow early voting the Sunday before election day either. So for Florida to do so is not in and of itself an act of disenfranchisement.
Whatever you do, keep ignoring context.
443 | b_snark Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:35:00am |
re: #196 HappyWarrior
No argument here. I just found it amusing that Phyillis's son thinks this is the most creative and innovative policy ever thought of by an American president. The Reagan circle jerk squad acts like he's the only president to have done great things. Makes me queasy thinking about it.
Defence is always more difficult than offence, simply because you have to be prepared for everything while offence just has to be unpredictable.
444 | jaunte Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:35:06am |
re: #436 jaunte
I think giving up on encouraging the vote and relying on game playing is the beginning of the end for the Republican party
445 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:35:52am |
I think I'd better take my leave from here for a time. We're right near the election and emotions are running high. So I'm going to sign off until at least Wednesday, and more likely Thursday. I'm not doing this to be an ass, I'm doing it because right now my presence here isn't constructive. So you folks have a safe few days and I'll be back later in the week.
446 | garhighway Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:36:19am |
re: #427 Joanne
FL isn't IL. FL has had early voting for years. Its been shown that black bote heavily The Sunday before election day. Blacks tend to vote Dem. That's unacceptable, hence no more today voting. THAT'S why.
Exactly. A lot of black voters would carpool to the polling place from church.
You can see why the GOP would frown on that.
447 | jaunte Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:36:52am |
10 Dirty Ways to Swing an Election
Early voting can cut down on long lines on Election Day and allow Americans who might not be able to get to the polls—maybe because they have jobs—cast a ballot. That sounds like a good thing, right? Well, not to the governments of Florida, Georgia, Ohio, Tennessee, and West Virginia, all of which cut down on early voting for 2012. Except for West Virginia, all of these states have GOP governors, and as Ari Berman noted in a piece for Rolling Stone, Ohio and Florida specifically "banned voting on the Sunday before the election—a day when black churches historically mobilize their constituents."
[Link: www.motherjones.com...]
448 | SpaceJesus Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:39:04am |
looks like we need another republican around here to hoot and holler at.
buck?
449 | SpaceJesus Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:41:33am |
Akin would be leading our MO-Sen poll if he had 89% of GOP vote, he's at 79% now. That's where he needs to get by Tuesday to pull upset
— PublicPolicyPolling (@ppppolls) November 4, 2012
450 | b_snark Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:42:44am |
re: #448 SpaceJesus
looks like we need another republican around here to hoot and holler at.
buck?
He hasn't poked his nose in here for a while.
Maybe he's busy moving to Alberta to be with the rest of the red-necks.
(Sorry, I'm being driven nuts by all the giant lifted trucks invading my city from Alberta)
452 | sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:44:08am |
re: #445 Dark_Falcon
Don't always agree with you
Many times I just look at your posts and go "hmmpphh"
But I think you're making a wise decision here
453 | SpaceJesus Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:44:12am |
[Link: www.davidmixner.com...]
Marriage equality at 52% in MN, WA, ME
454 | sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:45:38am |
re: #448 SpaceJesus
looks like we need another republican around here to hoot and holler at.
buck?
heh,,, me, i'd prefer civil discourse. but,, however you get your jollies!
455 | SpaceJesus Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:45:50am |
re: #450 b_sharp
i always forget that he is canadian. why the hell is he so interested in u.s. right-wing politics? that would be like me taking a serious interest in the bloc quebecois or something
456 | KronoGhazi Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:48:41am |
re: #445 Dark_Falcon
I think I'd better take my leave from here for a time. We're right near the election and emotions are running high. So I'm going to sign off until at least Wednesday, and more likely Thursday. I'm not doing this to be an ass, I'm doing it because right now my presence here isn't constructive. So you folks have a safe few days and I'll be back later in the week.
This is a you problem, not an us problem. Despite your polite and friendly demeanor the dissonance in voting for a backwards ass ideology is irreconcilable.
The 'emotions' you speak of are a reasonable response.
457 | Daniel Ballard Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:49:42am |
re: #445 Dark_Falcon
I think I'd better take my leave from here for a time. We're right near the election and emotions are running high. So I'm going to sign off until at least Wednesday, and more likely Thursday. I'm not doing this to be an ass, I'm doing it because right now my presence here isn't constructive. So you folks have a safe few days and I'll be back later in the week.
When you want a good laugh just look up the Barr Sheehan blogs.
[Link: www.roseanneworld.com...]
See you Wednesday.
458 | b_snark Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:49:52am |
re: #455 SpaceJesus
i always forget that he is canadian. why the hell is he so interested in u.s. right-wing politics? that would be like me taking a serious interest in the bloc quebecois or something
You have no idea how the US political scene affects Canada. Canada is the US's largest trading partner so what we do can affect you, but the US, as a trading partner dwarfs all other trading partners from the Canadian side.
You elephant.
We gerbil.
You roll over in your sleep.
We get flattened.
459 | sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:51:28am |
re: #458 b_sharp
You have no idea how the US political scene affects Canada. Canada is the US's largest trading partner so what we do can affect you, but the US, as a trading partner dwarfs all other trading partners from the Canadian side.
You elephant.
We gerbil.You roll over in your sleep.
We get flattened.
As long as you don't crawl up our ass, everything is hunkey dorey!!!
/
460 | dragonath Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:52:03am |
Well, Dark, you wouldn't piss people off if you didn't repeat the same falsehoods time and again after being corrected.
That tends to piss people off.
Anyway, I'm glad you enjoyed your early voting privileges, even though you would see the same right curtailed for others.
461 | garhighway Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:53:13am |
Just checked Intrade. They have it at 66% chance of an Obama win.
462 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:54:44am |
re: #433 HappyWarrior
Yeah, nothing suspicious about that at all. Would be nice if Husted just came out and said, I'm doing everything n my power to prevent a Democratic victory in my state. It would be honest at least.
Since Republican's are anything but honest (anywhere), don't hold your breath. Blue lips are not a good look.
463 | SpaceJesus Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:54:54am |
New Nate Silver article up. Just more of that ninny "science and logic" stuff that we all know is for queers and nerds.
464 | HappyWarrior Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:56:26am |
re: #462 Joanne
Since Republican's are anything but honest (anywhere), don't hold your breath. Blue lips are not a good look.
Ha true.
465 | efuseakay Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:57:59am |
Freepers are freaking out (imagine that) about early voting being extended in OC Florida.
466 | SpaceJesus Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:59:21am |
Obama draws a 14k crowd outside in NH right now
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
467 | HappyWarrior Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:00:47am |
re: #466 SpaceJesus
Obama draws a 14k crowd outside in NH right now
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
But his supporters have no enthusiasm.//
468 | garhighway Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:02:54am |
Princeton Election Consortium (kinda like 538) has it 98% chance of an Obama victory.
[Link: election.princeton.edu...]
469 | dragonath Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:04:17am |
re: #466 SpaceJesus
It's really french canucks and cheese eating vermonters
471 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:09:28am |
re: #455 SpaceJesus
i always forget that he is canadian. why the hell is he so interested in u.s. right-wing politics? that would be like me taking a serious interest in the bloc quebecois or something
My husband is Canadian and very interested in American politics. Our politics affects their economy as much as the rest of the world, only moreso, because we are their biggest trading partner. He owns his own business and when the American economy tanks his biz takes a hit. It was very touch and go there for a while.
I don't always agree with my husband, nor he me, but we always look at each others insight, and we've both changed each others minds.
472 | Daniel Ballard Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:10:23am |
Have any of you see Cloud Atlas? I'm off top it this afternoon. Almost 3 hours long.
473 | sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:10:28am |
Hmmmm,,,,
"Show Users" only shows 1 user,, Charles
Lessee,, I'm pretty sure i'm here,,, b_sharp responded to me so I'm pretty sure he's here !!
474 | b_snark Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:11:19am |
re: #473 sattv4u2
Hmmmm,,,,
"Show Users" only shows 1 user,, Charles
Lessee,, I'm pretty sure i'm here,,, b_sharp responded to me so I'm pretty sure he's here !!
I'm never really here. I'm just a ghost of a lizard.
475 | gwangung Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:11:27am |
re: #465 efuseakay
Freepers are freaking out (imagine that) about early voting being extended in OC Florida.
Isn't it kinda telling that this is a matter of concern for right wingers?
476 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:11:41am |
re: #459 sattv4u2
As long as you don't crawl up our ass, everything is hunkey dorey!!!
/
He said gerbil, not hyena.
[Link: www.bharatchannels.com...]
477 | SpaceJesus Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:11:46am |
re: #471 Joanne
it just kind of unnerves me thinking of canadians peering across our border at our affairs with their beedy little canadian eyes.
jk
478 | sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:11:55am |
re: #472 Daniel Ballard
Have any of you see Cloud Atlas? I'm off top it this afternoon. Almost 3 hours long.
Retired couple across the street from me raved about it. They average 3 movies every two weeks and they've never steered me wrong with their "reviews"
I did see Flight on Friday
Very good (a tad predictable,,, but great acting)
479 | Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:12:05am |
re: #472 Daniel Ballard
Have any of you see Cloud Atlas? I'm off top it this afternoon. Almost 3 hours long.
I've seen mixed reviews for it. Most of the complaints is that the story is confusing and muddled but that might just mean it's not a stupid generic comic book plot.
480 | b_snark Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:12:33am |
re: #477 SpaceJesus
it just kind of unnerves me thinking of canadians peering across our border at our affairs with their beedy little canadian eyes.
jk
I saw what you did there.
482 | Daniel Ballard Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:15:03am |
re: #477 SpaceJesus
it just kind of unnerves me thinking of canadians peering across our border at our affairs with their beedy little canadian eyes.
jk
It's just like Mr Wilson. (Home Improvement)
484 | sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:15:11am |
re: #479 Killgore Trout
I've seen mixed reviews for it. Most of the complaints is that the story is confusing and muddled but that might just mean it's not a stupid generic comic book plot.
I'll more likely than not be skipping it
Just not my genre as far as movies go, regardless of the rave review the neighbors gave
485 | efuseakay Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:15:27am |
re: #475 gwangung
Isn't it kinda telling that this is a matter of concern for right wingers?
Damn them for letting more people vote!!!!!!
486 | Daniel Ballard Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:16:52am |
re: #479 Killgore Trout
Un adaptable was one theory. But two people I know who love cinema have gone twice.
487 | sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:16:54am |
re: #482 Daniel Ballard
It's just like Mr Wilson. (Home Improvement)
Tall fences make for good neighbors!
488 | blueraven Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:17:31am |
re: #477 SpaceJesus
it just kind of unnerves me thinking of canadians peering across our border at our affairs with their beedy little canadian eyes.
jk
Buck is an outlier
489 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:18:32am |
490 | Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:20:07am |
I didn't sleep as well last night but over all I'm calming down and a little less paranoid after the break in the other night. Seriously considering a lot of different security options. The one that would solve most problems is a good dog. Not a vicious attack beast but something that would bark when a stranger starts snooping around the yard. But I'm not a dog person and they take a lot of care, attention, walks, exercise etc. and I'm not sure how the cats will accept a new addition.
I'm also a little concerned about over doing security and attracting more attention. A new alarm system and blind system closing off the greenhouse every night might make thieves think I'm hiding a pot growing operation and give them more motivation to break in. As creepy as it is it might be better to let them look in and see I don't have anythng that interests them.
491 | Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:21:23am |
re: #484 sattv4u2
I'll more likely than not be skipping it
Just not my genre as far as movies go, regardless of the rave review the neighbors gave
I'll probably skip it too but I just don't watch movies much anymore.
492 | jaunte Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:22:59am |
re: #490 Killgore Trout
You might post a sign:
"Don't waste your time breaking in, there's no pot growing inside."
494 | Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:25:46am |
re: #492 jaunte
You might post a sign:
"Don't waste your time breaking in, there's no pot growing inside."
Not a bad idea. I looked into the Oregon legal pot program last year thinking I could grow legally and make some money. One of the reasons I decided against it was that you have to post your permit to be clearly visible. It's just an invitation for thieves.
495 | Decatur Deb Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:26:32am |
re: #473 sattv4u2
Hmmmm,,,,
"Show Users" only shows 1 user,, Charles
Lessee,, I'm pretty sure i'm here,,, b_sharp responded to me so I'm pretty sure he's here !!
We are all Charles' socks. He just does it to tick off the stalkers.
496 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:28:46am |
re: #490 Killgore Trout
I didn't sleep as well last night but over all I'm calming down and a little less paranoid after the break in the other night. Seriously considering a lot of different security options. The one that would solve most problems is a good dog. Not a vicious attack beast but something that would bark when a stranger starts snooping around the yard. But I'm not a dog person and they take a lot of care, attention, walks, exercise etc. and I'm not sure how the cats will accept a new addition.
I'm also a little concerned about over doing security and attracting more attention. A new alarm system and blind system closing off the greenhouse every night might make thieves think I'm hiding a pot growing operation and give them more motivation to break in. As creepy as it is it might be better to let them look in and see I don't have anythng that interests them.
I have six dogs and they are very rarely walked. We have a large fenced yard and with each other they run and run and run. Get a nice retriever/sporting dog (lab, setter, pointer) and play ball with him/her and you're good. Just, please, do NOT put a pooch on a chain in your yard. If you don't want a fence, get an invisible fence. They are easy to train (downside, people can walk in and steal your dog).
Check breeds, though. You don't want, say, a Springer Spaniel because they are very hyper throughout their lives (my Visla is old and still keeps up with the pup). I would look into a rescue of the breed you choose and get a 3+ year old. Probably be mostly housebroken and you won't get puppy chewing.
Rescue is the best. They will vet the dog and get you what you are looking for (a friend, companion, and barking presence, age, housebroken, etc.) And you will give a dog a home...and I tell you, that dog will worship you forever. My last rescue was the saddest, most pathetic little guy. Now he is full of life and adores me (all of us, actually). He is such a great little man. And at 15 lbs, he is a hell of a watchdog (his bark is more like a 40 pound dog which doesn't hurt).
497 | Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:29:10am |
Also thinking back I found a pry bar in my hedge a few months ago and just thought some workman dropped it or something. A few weeks ago I found the greenhouse door open in the morning and thought I just had a few too many drinks and was careless. I suspect someone was planning the break in for months.
498 | Daniel Ballard Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:29:58am |
re: #490 Killgore Trout
KT, this looks like a case to me where surprise is the really dangerous thing here. I'd put my money on keeping that from happening first. I take it that it's not easy for you to make it much physically harder to get in? In any case it's about you not your stuff. Anything that buys you time to do the right thing is really worthwhile.
499 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:32:19am |
re: #497 Killgore Trout
Also thinking back I found a pry bar in my hedge a few months ago and just thought some workman dropped it or something. A few weeks ago I found the greenhouse door open in the morning and thought I just had a few too many drinks and was careless. I suspect someone was planning the break in for months.
Caution is good. Please don't paranoid yourself into knots. I am not saying if it is the case or not, but don't have tunnel-hindsight. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
It's scary as shit. I know from experience. You may want to talk with someone about it, too. Just because.
500 | garhighway Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:33:59am |
re: #498 Daniel Ballard
KT, this looks like a case to me where surprise is the really dangerous thing here. I'd put my money on keeping that from happening first. I take it that it's not easy for you to make it much physically harder to get in? In any case it's about you not your stuff. Anything that buys you time to do the right thing is really worthwhile.
Motion-sensitive floodlight?
501 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:38:45am |
re: #500 garhighway
Motion-sensitive floodlight?
Motion sensitive police siren and flashing blue light
502 | Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:38:59am |
re: #500 garhighway
Motion-sensitive floodlight?
That's on my list but I don't think those are very effective. So many false alarms with neighborhood critters and even just the breeze sets them off. I don't think thieves are bothered much by them.
504 | Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:41:41am |
re: #499 Joanne
Caution is good. Please don't paranoid yourself into knots. I am not saying if it is the case or not, but don't have tunnel-hindsight. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
It's scary as shit. I know from experience. You may want to talk with someone about it, too. Just because.
Yeah, that's why I'm not rushing out to buy a gun and a pitbull although I did catch myself googling the residential legality of razor wire the other night. I'll do the common sense stuff like alarm system, flood lights and locking my doors at night first and save the more creative solutions for later when I've calmed down more.
506 | SpaceJesus Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:42:15am |
re: #488 blueraven
canada and the u.s. should just become one country. we'd never have to worry about conservatives ever again.
507 | Decatur Deb Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:42:24am |
The Onion thinks Nate Silver is in trouble:
[Link: www.theonion.com...]
509 | Killgore Trout Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:43:05am |
re: #505 Gretchen G.Tiger
{{{Kilgore}}}}
Thanks. Luckily the frogs are unbothered and chatting happily this morning.
510 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:43:08am |
re: #504 Killgore Trout
Yeah, that's why I'm not rushing out to buy a gun and a pitbull although I did catch myself googling the residential legality of razor wire the other night. I'll do the common sense stuff like alarm system, flood lights and locking my doors at night first and save the more creative solutions for later when I've calmed down more.
Well, there are good reasons to adopt a rescue Pitt Bull. Mostly because you'll have a great friend, but you could use the break-in to rationalize it to a manly decision.
:)
511 | dragonath Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:43:38am |
re: #507 Decatur Deb
That would be even funnier if they used the actual picture of the Unskewed Polls guy.
512 | Flounder Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:44:25am |
re: #490 Killgore Trout
I have had very good luck with Labradors, loyal, obedient and loyal. Get him/her at 8 weeks. Chocolates are dumb. No really, I have one and he is dumber than a box of hammers, but won't let me outta his sight. His nickname is 100 pounds of stupid. BBL, just my two pennies.
513 | sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:45:22am |
One dog bathed
One to go (if I can find him,,, he hears the bathtub water running and he bolts!!)
514 | Decatur Deb Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:46:27am |
re: #512 Shropshire_Slasher
I have had very good luck with Labradors, loyal, obedient and loyal. Get him/her at 8 weeks. Chocolates are dumb. No really, I have one and he is dumber than a box of hammers, but won't let me outta his sight. His nickname is 100 pounds of stupid. BBL, just my two pennies.
Great Pyrs are very gentle, quiet and calm. They just wait among the sheep for wolves or bears, and then eat them.
515 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:46:29am |
re: #504 Killgore Trout
I doubt you're going to want to live with razor wire forever. It would make your house look like a prison - with you as the prisoner. I'd give that one some thought.
516 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:47:28am |
re: #513 sattv4u2
One dog bathed
One to go (if I can find him,,, he hears the bathtub water running and he bolts!!)
I have 3 that have to be done, but my back hurts too much.
Bathing mine is like taking them to a spa, they have to be blow-dried and their coats need to be stripped, nails done, ears cleaned --the works.
517 | sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:48:26am |
re: #512 Shropshire_Slasher
I have had very good luck with Labradors, loyal, obedient and loyal. Get him/her at 8 weeks. Chocolates are dumb. No really, I have one and he is dumber than a box of hammers, but won't let me outta his sight. His nickname is 100 pounds of stupid. BBL, just my two pennies.
heh
One of ours is named Einstein (a 14 lb terrier/ mutt/ mix) who is really smart
Our other is a pure West Highland Terrier (McDuff) We've had Westies before and each was very smart. McDuff, not so much. His nickname is McDoofus!
518 | SpaceJesus Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:48:57am |
re: #497 Killgore Trout
lots of thieves will prep a couple of months prior to big vacation holidays like thanksgiving and christmas, knowing that people will likely be gone during those times.
519 | sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:49:16am |
re: #516 Gretchen G.Tiger
I have 3 that have to be done, but my back hurts too much.
Bathing mine is like taking them to a spa, they have to be blow-dried and their coats need to be stripped, nails done, ears cleaned --the works.
We take them to a groomer once every 5-6 weeks
This is just the between-the-groomer-visit-bath
520 | Daniel Ballard Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:49:28am |
re: #509 Killgore Trout
Motion activated web cams-Maybe for a guy like you-The fact they record the local critters is a feature not a bug. You get to see who is out hunting.
521 | HappyWarrior Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:49:56am |
re: #514 Decatur Deb
Great Pyrs are very gentle, quiet and calm. They just wait among the sheep for wolves or bears, and then eat them.
They shed a ton but my Dad's friend had one. Also had a Newfoundland who was the definition of a gentle giant.
522 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:50:31am |
re: #506 SpaceJesus
canada and the u.s. should just become one country. we'd never have to worry about conservatives ever again.
You do know that that is what kept the US from continuing it's annexation plans for Canada? The southern warhawks, who were hot and heavy for another war, were told (by a Brit, Lord Elgin) that basically Canada was a bunch of liberals (meaning non-slave states at that time) and if they annexed Canada, all those bloody people from the great white north would not be in favor of slavery, and as they say, that was the end of that.
523 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:51:15am |
re: #512 Shropshire_Slasher
I have had very good luck with Labradors, loyal, obedient and loyal. Get him/her at 8 weeks. Chocolates are dumb. No really, I have one and he is dumber than a box of hammers, but won't let me outta his sight. His nickname is 100 pounds of stupid. BBL, just my two pennies.
I've noticed with the Sporting Breeds, the better instincts they naturally have for their Sport --the dumber they are in everyother respect.
Hubby reports that Brat Puppy is becoming a dream of field dog. He still can't figure out to get off the bed when the rest of the dogs do when we come to bed. It's a ritual. We start messing with the covers, the dogs get off, wait, then when we have settled, they get back on and resettle themselves. Brat Puppy now 1.5 years just gives us a blank look when we tell him to GO. Other dogs are sitting on the sidelines waiting to be called back up.
524 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:51:45am |
re: #510 Gretchen G.Tiger
Well, there are good reasons to adopt a rescue Pitt Bull. Mostly because you'll have a great friend, but you could use the break-in to rationalize it to a manly decision.
:)
Pitties are great if you know how to train. Otherwise, it is easy for them to take over. Pocket Pitties (35 lbs) are another option if you don't want a full sized beastie.
525 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:51:47am |
re: #519 sattv4u2
We take them to a groomer once every 5-6 weeks
This is just the between-the-groomer-visit-bath
Can't afford the groomer with 3. Used to when I had only 1.
526 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:52:35am |
re: #524 Joanne
Pitties are great if you know how to train. Otherwise, it is easy for them to take over. Pocket Pitties (35 lbs) are another option if you don't want a full sized beastie.
Three raised from puppyhood live behind me with different neighbors. They are the biggest babies!
527 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:52:45am |
re: #513 sattv4u2
One dog bathed
One to go (if I can find him,,, he hears the bathtub water running and he bolts!!)
My one Irish setter used to flatten herself against the wall when the nail clippers came out. She tried her hardest to blend in with the paint. It was soooooooooooooo cute!
529 | SpaceJesus Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:53:12am |
re: #522 Joanne
yeah, the southern slavery lovers wanted to annex cuba instead
530 | danarchy Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:53:14am |
re: #477 SpaceJesus
it just kind of unnerves me thinking of canadians peering across our border at our affairs with their beedy little canadian eyes.
jk
And don't forget the floppy heads...that's just freaky ;)
531 | HappyWarrior Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:53:52am |
re: #529 SpaceJesus
yeah, the southern slavery lovers wanted to annex cuba instead
Didn't they want Mexico too?
532 | SpaceJesus Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:54:31am |
i close on my house in december, and i think i am gonna get a dog. a small one. not yappy tho. what kind of dogs fit that description?
533 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:54:41am |
re: #477 SpaceJesus
it just kind of unnerves me thinking of canadians peering across our border at our affairs with their beedy little canadian eyes.
jk
Just think how the rest of the world thinks as we do the same thing to them.
534 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:54:53am |
re: #516 Gretchen G.Tiger
I have 3 that have to be done, but my back hurts too much.
Bathing mine is like taking them to a spa, they have to be blow-dried and their coats need to be stripped, nails done, ears cleaned --the works.
We have six dogs and only one (the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, whom by the say is the biggest hunter of the bunch) is the only one that needs a bath more than once a year. And I think that is because she will dig a tunnel to get to a critter. She dug havlway under our shed and cam out looking black and tan instead of Blenheim (red and white). The others seem to self clean pretty well with an occasional brushing.
536 | Decatur Deb Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:55:02am |
re: #528 Obdicut
Mutts are the best dogs because they're mutts.
Our 'Pocket Pyr' is a rescue, probably about half Golden. Couldn't be a better dog. (Could be smarter.)
537 | HappyWarrior Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:55:23am |
538 | Decatur Deb Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:55:25am |
re: #532 SpaceJesus
i close on my house in december, and i think i am gonna get a dog. a small one. not yappy tho. what kind of dogs fit that description?
Stuffed.
539 | sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:55:25am |
re: #532 SpaceJesus
i close on my house in december, and i think i am gonna get a dog. a small one. not yappy tho. what kind of dogs fit that description?
West Highland Terrier
540 | HappyWarrior Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:55:56am |
I've always had standard poodles due to allergies.
541 | garhighway Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:57:06am |
re: #502 Killgore Trout
That's on my list but I don't think those are very effective. So many false alarms with neighborhood critters and even just the breeze sets them off. I don't think thieves are bothered much by them.
Agree.
542 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:57:23am |
re: #532 SpaceJesus
i close on my house in december, and i think i am gonna get a dog. a small one. not yappy tho. what kind of dogs fit that description?
Every little poo combination I've met has been great!. Those Cavalier King Charles Spaniels are great too --especially with kids, which can be dicy with little dogs.
People love their little dachsunds.
The Italian Greyhound is a great little dog, but will bolt if you open the door 3 inches. Very gentle and loving. I really like them a lot.
There is a little terrier that looks like a stuffed animal that is wonderful as well, lots of personality.
Remember, They'll only yap if you train them that it is OK to do so. Some have been bred to yap as alarm systems, the big dogs come when they yap a certain way.
543 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:58:28am |
re: #523 Gretchen G.Tiger
I've noticed with the Sporting Breeds, the better instincts they naturally have for their Sport --the dumber they are in everyother respect.
Hubby reports that Brat Puppy is becoming a dream of field dog. He still can't figure out to get off the bed when the rest of the dogs do when we come to bed. It's a ritual. We start messing with the covers, the dogs get off, wait, then when we have settled, they get back on and resettle themselves. Brat Puppy now 1.5 years just gives us a blank look when we tell him to GO. Other dogs are sitting on the sidelines waiting to be called back up.
We have a Brittany (who is the anti-type...he is so aloof), who is so smart it's frightening. He can open doors with round door knobs. When we got the Visla (who is the dumbest, but most loveable dog ever), the Britt was so unhappy he would open a bedroom door, lead the Visla into it and then close the door so the poor Visla was stuck in the room. The Britt would also open the back door and lock the Visla out in the back yard.
If he was bigger, I would be frightened as I stole his owner (my husband) from him. He is Stewie and I am sure he dreams of seeing me dead.
544 | sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:58:38am |
re: #536 Decatur Deb
Our 'Pocket Pyr' is a rescue, probably about half Golden. Couldn't be a better dog. (Could be smarter.)
Have had a dozen dogs living with us in the past 13 years (foster parents for most of them till they get adopted) All of them 'rescues" We ended up keeping the two we now have
545 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:58:40am |
re: #542 Gretchen G.Tiger
Every little poo combination I've met has been great!. Those Cavalier King Charles Spaniels are great too --especially with kids, which can be dicy with little dogs.
People love their little dachsunds.
The Italian Greyhound is a great little dog, but will bolt if you open the door 3 inches. Very gentle and loving. I really like them a lot.
There is a little terrier that looks like a stuffed animal that is wonderful as well, lots of personality.
Remember, They'll only yap if you train them that it is OK to do so. Some have been bred to yap as alarm systems, the big dogs come when they yap a certain way.
Well, and a rescue. There are some really, really wonderful rescue's out there -puppies too!
547 | SpaceJesus Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:59:45am |
re: #542 Gretchen G.Tiger
yeah, i'm leaning towards wiener dogs and maybe corgis. i just looked up american eskimo dogs too.
i think dachshund it is.
548 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:00:00am |
re: #543 Joanne
We have a Brittany (who is the anti-type...he is so aloof), who is so smart it's frightening. He can open doors with round door knobs. When we got the Visla (who is the dumbest, but most loveable dog ever), the Britt was so unhappy he would open a bedroom door, lead the Visla into it and then close the door so the poor Visla was stuck in the room. The Britt would also open the back door and lock the Visla out in the back yard.
If he was bigger, I would be frightened as I stole his owner (my husband) from him. He is Stewie and I am sure he dreams of seeing me dead.
Brittany's are way too much dog for me. Wicked smart and NO sense of shame or guilt.
549 | sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:00:02am |
re: #546 SpaceJesus
eh, no terriers. too much energy.
Some, but not all
Cairns are the worst, Westies the calmest
550 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:00:19am |
re: #526 Gretchen G.Tiger
Three raised from puppyhood live behind me with different neighbors. They are the biggest babies!
My friend rescues Pitts. She has six of them. Some of them are so damned cute, too. Big lumps of love. But they do need a big of a firmer hand. I got my friend a Pitt rescue and that boy is so spoiled. He could use a little bit more, uhm, guidance.
551 | b_snark Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:00:52am |
re: #512 Shropshire_Slasher
I have had very good luck with Labradors, loyal, obedient and loyal. Get him/her at 8 weeks. Chocolates are dumb. No really, I have one and he is dumber than a box of hammers, but won't let me outta his sight. His nickname is 100 pounds of stupid. BBL, just my two pennies.
My family has been into German Shepherds for 50 years. Large, extremely intelligent, very loyal and they have a mythology associated with them (police dogs) that works well as a deterrent.
Pit bulls are also good dogs, not as bright as a Shepherd, but even more loyal and their mythology is an even better deterrent.
552 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:01:07am |
re: #531 HappyWarrior
Didn't they want Mexico too?
Well, that would have saved all these anti-immigrant problems. :-)
553 | danarchy Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:01:22am |
re: #512 Shropshire_Slasher
I have had very good luck with Labradors, loyal, obedient and loyal. Get him/her at 8 weeks. Chocolates are dumb. No really, I have one and he is dumber than a box of hammers, but won't let me outta his sight. His nickname is 100 pounds of stupid. BBL, just my two pennies.
I have a Norwegian Elkhound and she is a fantastic early warning system. Sheds a lot, but couldn't ask for a better dog. I seam to recall KT lives out west in like washington or oregon or something? If I lived out that way I would look into a Karelian Bear Dog, I am partial to the spitz type dogs though.
554 | b_snark Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:01:45am |
re: #514 Decatur Deb
Great Pyrs are very gentle, quiet and calm. They just wait among the sheep for wolves or bears, and then eat them.
If I owned an acreage that's the dog I would choose.
555 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:02:25am |
re: #536 Decatur Deb
Our 'Pocket Pyr' is a rescue, probably about half Golden. Couldn't be a better dog. (Could be smarter.)
Be careful what you ask for. See my 543.
556 | KronoGhazi Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:03:11am |
KT: if you move the security CCTV route email me. I've been in the residential side of the biz for 25 yrs.
557 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:03:19am |
re: #550 Joanne
My friend rescues Pitts. She has six of them. Some of them are so damned cute, too. Big lumps of love. But they do need a big of a firmer hand. I got my friend a Pitt rescue and that boy is so spoiled. He could use a little bit more, uhm, guidance.
Yeah, they are a lot of dog. IMHO any big dog needs an experienced owner. Well, any dog, but a big dog can be a big liability without training. Pitts are unbelievably strong. Probably have the strongest jaw structure I've ever seen in a dog. They are built like tanks. I don't think I could upset one if I ran at him.
I think it's important to be able to physically control your dog if necessary. Not sure I could physically control a Pitt, where I could a Dobe or GSD. Pitts don't even have enough hair to grab on to.
558 | HappyWarrior Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:03:22am |
re: #552 Joanne
Well, that would have saved all these anti-immigrant problems. :-)
Nah, there's plenty of Mexican Americans who have been in the Southwest for generations. Doesn't stop the xenophobic morons from thinking they're illegals!
559 | watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:03:39am |
re: #547 SpaceJesus
yeah, i'm leaning towards wiener dogs and maybe corgis. i just looked up american eskimo dogs too.
i think dachshund it is.
Get a standard smooth, they are pretty low maintenance.
Miniatures are more high strung from my experience.
560 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:04:09am |
re: #551 b_sharp
My family has been into German Shepherds for 50 years. Large, extremely intelligent, very loyal and they have a mythology associated with them (police dogs) that works well as a deterrent.
Pit bulls are also good dogs, not as bright as a Shepherd, but even more loyal and their mythology is an even better deterrent.
GSD is my all time favorite breed. I just don't have the stamina to properly raise one. Too damn smart. They are nearly human.
561 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:05:15am |
re: #542 Gretchen G.Tiger
Every little poo combination I've met has been great!. Those Cavalier King Charles Spaniels are great too --especially with kids, which can be dicy with little dogs.
People love their little dachsunds.
The Italian Greyhound is a great little dog, but will bolt if you open the door 3 inches. Very gentle and loving. I really like them a lot.
There is a little terrier that looks like a stuffed animal that is wonderful as well, lots of personality.
Remember, They'll only yap if you train them that it is OK to do so. Some have been bred to yap as alarm systems, the big dogs come when they yap a certain way.
Doxies are FIERCE! I had a mini-doxie, 10 lbs, and she totally went all Tazmanian devil on my 85 pound dog when they first met. The big dog had a look on her face like W.T.F? It was hysterical. Best buds after that.
Italian greyhounds are adorable, but they break really easily. They can fracture a leg jumping off a couch or bed.
(I used to bred and show dogs. I also train in obedience and agility. And yes, I am a total dog freak!!)
562 | b_snark Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:05:30am |
re: #516 Gretchen G.Tiger
I have 3 that have to be done, but my back hurts too much.
Bathing mine is like taking them to a spa, they have to be blow-dried and their coats need to be stripped, nails done, ears cleaned --the works.
My mother had a breeding kennel - TerRo Kennels - before she died. She raised shepherds, shelties and toy/mini poodles. Before she moved out to an acreage she had a dog grooming business to help support her dog habit.
Just sayin'.
563 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:05:47am |
re: #559 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
Get a standard smooth, they are pretty low maintenance.
Miniatures are more high strung from my experience.
Miniatures have to be high strung. They have to have the reserve energy to jump out of the way of your feet in a nano-second. It's a matter of life or death!!!
564 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:07:26am |
re: #562 b_sharp
My mother had a breeding kennel - TerRo Kennels - before she died. She raised shepherds, shelties and toy/mini poodles. Before she moved out to an acreage she had a dog grooming business to help support her dog habit.
Just sayin'.
I used to enjoy it a lot, but my hands hurt too much now.
I even have a junior handler now for Brat Puppy in agility. I just can't keep-up with the pace. Still doing obedience.
565 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:08:22am |
I'm not a big dog person but I do want a dog to go hunting with. Preferably the impossible - one that can flush a pheasant or retrieve a duck. Perhaps that would get me into a dog...
566 | OhNoZombies! Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:09:04am |
re: #107 jaunte
One of my daughters had a first grade teacher who assigned the kids to create a photo-essay of their early lives. Our kids were adopted late, age 3 and 4, and they had no baby photos, so we suggested she draw her pictures. After she turned in her drawings and short bio, the teacher told her she would get a bad grade unless she completed the assignment with photos. She suggested using baby pictures of strangers cut out of magazines.
I'm still catching up,
But that has to be one of the most insensitive, insulting, and stupid thing ever I have heard.
I would have raised holy hell.
OMG.
567 | b_snark Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:09:36am |
re: #523 Gretchen G.Tiger
I've noticed with the Sporting Breeds, the better instincts they naturally have for their Sport --the dumber they are in everyother respect.
Hubby reports that Brat Puppy is becoming a dream of field dog. He still can't figure out to get off the bed when the rest of the dogs do when we come to bed. It's a ritual. We start messing with the covers, the dogs get off, wait, then when we have settled, they get back on and resettle themselves. Brat Puppy now 1.5 years just gives us a blank look when we tell him to GO. Other dogs are sitting on the sidelines waiting to be called back up.
Working dogs seem to be the smartest. Sport dogs like standard poodles are quite smart, poodles rate near the top consistently.
568 | b_snark Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:11:33am |
re: #528 Obdicut
Mutts are the best dogs because they're mutts.
Fewer problems with recessive genes.
569 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:13:04am |
re: #565 William Barnett-Lewis
I'm not a big dog person but I do want a dog to go hunting with. Preferably the impossible - one that can flush a pheasant or retrieve a duck. Perhaps that would get me into a dog...
Well, if you want just a hunting dog, you could contact your local gun club and ask where you could get one. My breeder sold one of their Brittany's for $3K. She was way too much of a Brittany to sell to sell to just anyone, so she went to "Hunt Training Camp" for about 8 months and was sold thru the "Camp".
All reports are that she is a happy, healthy, kennelled outside-in-straw, hunting-only dog. Don't think the selling price began to cover the costs of "Hunting Camp". She couldn't be in the home after about 6 months. Just WILD.
570 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:13:53am |
re: #566 R.M, Ramallo
I'm still catching up,
But that has to be one of the most insensitive, insulting, and stupid thing ever I have heard.
I would have raised holy hell.
OMG.
Yeah, that one would probably have taken me to the Board. Sensitivity training is needed here, big time.
571 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:14:47am |
re: #567 b_sharp
Working dogs seem to be the smartest. Sport dogs like standard poodles are quite smart, poodles rate near the top consistently.
Poodles are a Sporting Breed --water retrievers!
Bob knows they loves their tennis ball.
Some in the Herding Breed are wicked smart too! --Border Collies, Australian's.
572 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:15:46am |
re: #568 b_sharp
Fewer problems with recessive genes.
I feel the same way about White People. We are getting inbred --not joking.
573 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:15:56am |
re: #565 William Barnett-Lewis
I'm not a big dog person but I do want a dog to go hunting with. Preferably the impossible - one that can flush a pheasant or retrieve a duck. Perhaps that would get me into a dog...
Get a Bracco Italiano or a Spinone Italiano. They point, flush and retrieve. And they have THE BEST temperaments...calm inside and go forever outdoors.
574 | b_snark Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:16:26am |
re: #557 Gretchen G.Tiger
Yeah, they are a lot of dog. IMHO any big dog needs an experienced owner. Well, any dog, but a big dog can be a big liability without training. Pitts are unbelievably strong. Probably have the strongest jaw structure I've ever seen in a dog. They are built like tanks. I don't think I could upset one if I ran at him.
I think it's important to be able to physically control your dog if necessary. Not sure I could physically control a Pitt, where I could a Dobe or GSD. Pitts don't even have enough hair to grab on to.
I have to disagree with your second paragraph. My mom's dogs were frequently much stronger than her, especially the grand sire - 110 lbs of solid muscle. She bonded with them in such a way they would do anything for her.
575 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:16:36am |
re: #569 Gretchen G.Tiger
Heh. I have a boy who'd want the dog in the house so it won't be like that. I have thought about an English Retriever though we couldn't afford one.
576 | b_snark Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:17:02am |
re: #559 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
Get a standard smooth, they are pretty low maintenance.
Miniatures are more high strung from my experience.
Yup, the minis can be really snarky.
577 | jaunte Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:17:08am |
re: #565 William Barnett-Lewis
I'm not a big dog person but I do want a dog to go hunting with. Preferably the impossible - one that can flush a pheasant or retrieve a duck. Perhaps that would get me into a dog...
The smartest (and calmest) dog I ever had was a Chesapeake Bay retriever.
578 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:18:27am |
re: #573 Joanne
Sounds interesting. Off to google & wiki I go!
579 | OhNoZombies! Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:18:49am |
re: #490 Killgore Trout
I didn't sleep as well last night but over all I'm calming down and a little less paranoid after the break in the other night. Seriously considering a lot of different security options. The one that would solve most problems is a good dog. Not a vicious attack beast but something that would bark when a stranger starts snooping around the yard. But I'm not a dog person and they take a lot of care, attention, walks, exercise etc. and I'm not sure how the cats will accept a new addition.
I'm also a little concerned about over doing security and attracting more attention. A new alarm system and blind system closing off the greenhouse every night might make thieves think I'm hiding a pot growing operation and give them more motivation to break in. As creepy as it is it might be better to let them look in and see I don't have anythng that interests them.
I recommend a German Short- hair Pointer.
We had one named Guenther.
He was a big for his breed, a 125 lb. lap dog, but he had a deep, menacing growl and bark.
You could always depend on him to alert you if something was afoot.
580 | b_snark Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:19:12am |
re: #561 Joanne
Doxies are FIERCE! I had a mini-doxie, 10 lbs, and she totally went all Tazmanian devil on my 85 pound dog when they first met. The big dog had a look on her face like W.T.F? It was hysterical. Best buds after that.
Italian greyhounds are adorable, but they break really easily. They can fracture a leg jumping off a couch or bed.
(I used to bred and show dogs. I also train in obedience and agility. And yes, I am a total dog freak!!)
You and mom would have gotten along like gangbusters. In the '60s she did training for a number of RCMP officers.
I get along better with dogs than I do people.
581 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:19:27am |
re: #575 William Barnett-Lewis
Heh. I have a boy who'd want the dog in the house so it won't be like that. I have thought about an English Retriever though we couldn't afford one.
I got my first Fieldie for free --Rescue.
Get on the AKC website and contact the Rescue person for the breed group. Go to local dog shows, meet the breeders, establish a relationship with them. If they see you are serious about dogs and the breed, you'll eventually find yourself with a rescue.
Warning --my free to a good home AKC Champion has turned into about 10 dogs in the years since. Puppies we've purchased to foster dogs.
They become an addiction of sorts.
582 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:20:32am |
re: #579 R.M, Ramallo
I recommend a German Short- hair Pointer.
We had one named Guenther.
He was a big for his breed, a 125 lb. lap dog, but he had a deep, menacing growl and bark.
You could always depend on him to alert you if something was afoot.
GSP?????
The most energetic dog I've ever met. You can't tire them out. Very sweet and great with kids. Wayyyy too much for me to deal with.
There was one in my last agility class that had to be on a pinch because he couldn't wait his turn on the course. Frothed at the mouth, barked, whined --just wanted to do the course over and over and over faster and faster and faster.
583 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:22:16am |
re: #578 William Barnett-Lewis
Sounds interesting. Off to google & wiki I go!
You can contact me if you'd like REPUTABLE breeders. There is one I would highly suggest you stay away from. (not sure how to give you contact info)
584 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:23:06am |
585 | OhNoZombies! Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:23:55am |
re: #582 Gretchen G.Tiger
GSP?????
The most energetic dog I've ever met. You can't tire them out. Very sweet and great with kids. Wayyyy too much for me to deal with.
Energy, yes.
Let's just say I was in the best shape of my life !
586 | b_snark Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:23:56am |
re: #572 Gretchen G.Tiger
I feel the same way about White People. We are getting inbred --not joking.
Not likely.
Far too many people, far too much interaction between people. Fast transportation and changing attitudes makes 'inbreeding', in a general sense pretty much impossible. Small, semi-isolated groups may be somewhat different, but they are an insignificant percentage of the total.
587 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:24:00am |
re: #583 Joanne
You can contact me if you'd like REPUTABLE breeders. There is one I would highly suggest you stay away from. (not sure how to give you contact info)
There is a special place in Hell for bad breeders.
588 | blueraven Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:24:14am |
re: #547 SpaceJesus
yeah, i'm leaning towards wiener dogs and maybe corgis. i just looked up american eskimo dogs too.
i think dachshund it is.
Pugs are great too.
I have a dachshund mix...a hound rescue and another huge mixed breed; part lab, part husky type. Both are rescue and both are Great dogs!
589 | jaunte Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:24:18am |
re: #577 jaunte
The smartest (and calmest) dog I ever had was a Chesapeake Bay retriever.
Also, good looking: Image: in-her-element.jpg
590 | b_snark Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:25:25am |
re: #579 R.M, Ramallo
I recommend a German Short- hair Pointer.
We had one named Guenther.
He was a big for his breed, a 125 lb. lap dog, but he had a deep, menacing growl and bark.
You could always depend on him to alert you if something was afoot.
You had a 125 lb Pointer? That would be really unusual.
591 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:25:58am |
re: #583 Joanne
You can contact me if you'd like REPUTABLE breeders. There is one I would highly suggest you stay away from. (not sure how to give you contact info)
My nic is blue - for this reply it should give you my email address if you click it rather than my web page. I'm liking what I'm reading so further info is good.
592 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:27:05am |
re: #587 Gretchen G.Tiger
There is a special place in Hell for bad breeders.
Amen to that! One of the breeders decided that six of her bitches had to go - she had younger dogs to breed - so she sent them to a kill shelter. It took us 24 hours of round robin emails to get those dogs into homes. I could have KILLED that woman.
593 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:27:35am |
594 | jaunte Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:27:39am |
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595 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:27:52am |
Says he is retired and doesn't need grooming any more.
596 | dragonath Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:28:27am |
597 | OhNoZombies! Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:29:29am |
re: #590 b_sharp
You had a 125 lb Pointer? That would be really unusual.
I know -- he just kept growing!
He was all muscle.
Actually, he used to walk me...
598 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:29:34am |
re: #592 Joanne
Amen to that! One of the breeders decided that six of her bitches had to go - she had younger dogs to breed - so she sent them to a kill shelter. It took us 24 hours of round robin emails to get those dogs into homes. I could have KILLED that woman.
No kidding! Idiot. Wouldn't it have been easier to contact the breed rescue person than to fill out the paperwork at the shelter? WTF?
599 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:31:14am |
re: #597 R.M, Ramallo
I know -- he just kept growing!
He was all muscle.
Actually, he used to walk me...
How many miles a day did he run you?
As I understand it GSP's don't exercise, they just condition themselves to go further the next day.
601 | sattv4u2 Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:32:38am |
re: #597 R.M, Ramallo
I know -- he just kept growing!
He was all muscle.
Actually, he used to walk me...
Saddle
Spurs
Problem solved
602 | b_snark Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:33:56am |
re: #597 R.M, Ramallo
I know -- he just kept growing!
He was all muscle.
Actually, he used to walk me...
My mother had a habit of walking her dogs once a day by having them run beside the car on country roads. They tended to be extremely muscular dogs.
603 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:35:34am |
re: #600 b_sharp
Gorgeous
He is a good boy. No prey drive whatsoever, a dream in the obedience ring. My perfect dog.
604 | Mattand Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:36:58am |
Here's Captain Needy pretending he's Ezio from Assassin's Creed.
605 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:38:10am |
re: #604 Mattand
Here's Captain Needy pretending he's Ezio from Assassin's Creed.
That face!!!!!! oooooooh
606 | OhNoZombies! Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:38:14am |
re: #599 Gretchen G.Tiger
How many miles a day did he run you?
Three or four.
It was extortion, because if I didn't, he would destroy our backyard fence!
607 | danarchy Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:38:40am |
As long as people are sharing pictures of their puppies:Ellie the elkhound
608 | Mattand Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:41:08am |
re: #605 Gretchen G.Tiger
That face!!!!!! oooooooh
This was his star-making turn on the TV show Dogs 101. He's the adult playing with the ball on the white background.
It's sad that we still flog this 4 years later, but what the hey...
609 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:41:19am |
I've a friend that fosters all-breed rescues continually. Seems like every day she has at least one different dog in her house.
I have a very difficult time not taking all of them home.
She also has a house full of kids all the time. The dogs she gets are wonderful. I can't imagine how they got in the rescue world to begin with. Sometimes, I think it is jut the home she and her husband have created.
Brat Puppy goes there for training and babysitting sometimes. WE see a big improvement in his behavior after each visit.
611 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:43:25am |
re: #565 William Barnett-Lewis
I'm not a big dog person but I do want a dog to go hunting with. Preferably the impossible - one that can flush a pheasant or retrieve a duck. Perhaps that would get me into a dog...
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
612 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:43:30am |
613 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:44:27am |
re: #598 Gretchen G.Tiger
No kidding! Idiot. Wouldn't it have been easier to contact the breed rescue person than to fill out the paperwork at the shelter? WTF?
Rescue would have skewed her as a breeder (we did anyway). Anyone contacting the club would have heard about her.
614 | efuseakay Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:44:41am |
Don't forget greyhounds. People wrongly assume they need lots of exercise, and you need to take them running all the time. Not true. The rescues are ex racers, and once you get them home, all they want to do is sleep 18 hours a day. :)
I myself have an Alaskan Malamute. He's the friendliest dog I have ever had the privilege of meeting. Almost lost him last year October to a tumor on his liver. 4lbs. Thankfully it was on the "good" side of the liver and the surgery was successful. If you'd meet him today, you'd have no idea he was 12. His size alone makes people walk across the street to avoid him. Needless to say, no neighborhood kids have messed with the pool while I've been away since I adopted him 10.5 years ago.
615 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:47:17am |
re: #608 Mattand
This was his star-making turn on the TV show Dogs 101. He's the adult playing with the ball on the white background.
It's sad that we still flog this 4 years later, but what the hey...
Boxers are one of the breeds that if raised with one as a child, a human will want nothing else the rest of their life. Boxers and Labs are what I hear most about from adults. They always want one for their kid.
616 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:48:25am |
617 | watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:48:38am |
Me and my ex along with our some of our doxie babies, back when I bred and showed them. The old man in the center is "killer" (mixed breed) who was a rescue.
618 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:49:28am |
re: #611 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx
Heh! He just got that same quote in email. That is my signature line in my email. :-)
619 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:49:46am |
re: #612 Joanne
What a doll!!
He is breed-standard perfect, but has no hunting instincts. Strange how the Confirmation ring works. Just looks and structure, no indication of how the dog actually functions.
He is really a defective Field Spaniel. His sister (who is no over the Bridge) was the perfect Field Spaniel except in appearance. She had the energy, prey drive and trainability for the field or any work you wanted her to do. Just didn't fit breed-standard so she was spayed and never went to the breed ring.
620 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:50:23am |
re: #614 efuseakay
Don't forget greyhounds. People wrongly assume they need lots of exercise, and you need to take them running all the time. Not true. The rescues are ex racers, and once you get them home, all they want to do is sleep 18 hours a day. :)
I myself have an Alaskan Malamute. He's the friendliest dog I have ever had the privilege of meeting. Almost lost him last year October to a tumor on his liver. 4lbs. Thankfully it was on the "good" side of the liver and the surgery was successful. If you'd meet him today, you'd have no idea he was 12. His size alone makes people walk across the street to avoid him. Needless to say, no neighborhood kids have messed with the pool while I've been away since I adopted him 10.5 years ago.
Rescue Greyhounds make great therapy dogs!!!!! Soo calm --my kind of dog.
621 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:50:32am |
re: #608 Mattand
This was his star-making turn on the TV show Dogs 101. He's the adult playing with the ball on the white background.
It's sad that we still flog this 4 years later, but what the hey...
Whoa..that one pooch has a Gene Simmons sized tongue! SOOOOO CUTE!!!
622 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:50:46am |
623 | Mattand Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:51:08am |
re: #615 Gretchen G.Tiger
Boxers are one of the breeds that if raised with one as a child, a human will want nothing else the rest of their life. Boxers and Labs are what I hear most about from adults. They always want one for their kid.
What's been staggering is the amount of people we encounter who either had a boxer as a kid, or had a relative who had one. Doesn't happen as much now that he's older, but we still get people stopping us to tell their stories.
When I'd take him for walks as a pup, I would literally get people pulling over to the side of the road to see him. It's to the point now where if a car slows down for whatever reason, he thinks it's to see him.
624 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:51:57am |
625 | OhNoZombies! Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:52:23am |
re: #602 b_sharp
My mother had a habit of walking her dogs once a day by having them run beside the car on country roads. They tended to be extremely muscular dogs.
Definitely a dog best suited for country life.
If you are a hunter, the GSP is your dog.
626 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:52:31am |
An old neighbor had one of those deaf white boxers. She was the biggest sweetie. We eventually figured out she wasn't totally deaf, there were some sharp sounds she heard. Low tones, like foot steps she could sense thru the vibrations in the floor. She was really very functional. It helped she had a another hearing Boxer in the house tho. She took a lot of cues from him. Smart as shit.
627 | Mattand Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:52:36am |
628 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:53:22am |
re: #623 Mattand
What's been staggering is the amount of people we encounter who either had a boxer as a kid, or had a relative who had one. Doesn't happen as much now that he's older, but we still get people stopping us to tell their stories.
When I'd take him for walks as a pup, I would literally get people pulling over to the side of the road to see him. It's to the point now where if a car slows down for whatever reason, he thinks it's to see him.
Well, of course, it couldn't possibly be to see you! LOL
629 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:54:20am |
re: #622 Gretchen G.Tiger
What a ham!!!!! Too cute!
She was such a hoot. I got the Doggles because she would tear through the brush and game out all bloody one time. I was afraid she'd hurt herself.
She was so funny. We'd be going through the field and you wouldn't know where she was, but all of a sudden she'd jump way up and we'd see her head pop up...then 30 seconds later, it would pop up again on a different side of the field.
630 | Mattand Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:54:44am |
re: #628 Gretchen G.Tiger
Well, of course, it couldn't possibly be to see you! LOL
I have started brushing my teeth once a week now, so you never know.
631 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:55:09am |
re: #623 Mattand
When I'd take him for walks as a pup, I would literally get people pulling over to the side of the road to see him. It's to the point now where if a car slows down for whatever reason, he thinks it's to see him.
Isn't it? He's a star afterall!
632 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:57:37am |
re: #627 Mattand
LOL, the shit dogs put up with from us! Good looking dog.
Seriously, it wasn't like a doggie costume (ok, she did have devil horns for Halloween, but that's a different story). She was so into chasing critters that she came out one time with her whole face, especially near her eyes, all bloody. I was afraid she'd rip an eye out.
633 | efuseakay Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:58:45am |
Dinner time at my place. Every. Single. Day.
634 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:01:28am |
re: #633 efuseakay
Dinner time at my place. Every. Single. Day.
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OMG, that is sooooooo cute!! My Visla is looking for the new dog now.
635 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:06:27am |
re: #633 efuseakay
Yes, that is Old Man Dog too!
I swear in a 100 years or so, if we keep if dog-human interaction in 1st world countries keeps at the level it is now, we'll see a line of dogs with larnyx's or *some* developed ability to speak. We seem to favor dogs with expressive barks and they do communicate so well!!!!!
Maybe there will be some hybrid human-canine very basic language.
636 | efuseakay Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:13:27am |
re: #634 Joanne
OMG, that is sooooooo cute!! My Visla is looking for the new dog now.
If he weren't so cute, he'd be sooooo annoying. ;)
637 | Joanne Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:14:22am |
re: #636 efuseakay
If he weren't so cute, he'd be sooooo annoying. ;)
That could be said for any dog.
638 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:25:48am |
639 | Gus Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:40:17am |
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640 | GeneJockey Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:10:28pm |
re: #614 efuseakay
Don't forget greyhounds. People wrongly assume they need lots of exercise, and you need to take them running all the time. Not true. The rescues are ex racers, and once you get them home, all they want to do is sleep 18 hours a day. :)
As the owner of 2 ex-racers, I can confirm that! One walk and they're sacked out the rest of the day.