Ohio Republicans Make Last-Ditch Effort to Steal the Election

A thuggish last minute tactic

Andrew Cohen has the details on an absolutely blatant attempt by Ohio Republican Secretary of State Jon Husted to suppress the vote for Barack Obama: Ohio’s Provisional Ballot Order: The Biggest Legal Story of the Weekend.

Here’s what happened. On Thursday, voting-rights advocates filed an “emergency motion” with a federal trial judge seeking his reassurance that provisional ballots in Ohio will be judged by the standard he endorsed (and Ohio reportedly agreed to) in a recent consent decree. That standard, the plaintiffs say, is “that a provisional-ballot form that has incomplete or improperly completed information regarding the type of identification proffered by a voter should be counted pursuant” to Ohio law, which, they say, makes the poll worker responsible for taking down the information. Here’s a link to that motion.

Ohio has not yet responded to it with a filing in court — the state’s deadline is Monday. But it was a full day after this motion was filed that the secretary of state, at 6 p.m. on the Friday before the election, issued his contrary directive, the text of which you can read in this timely piece by Judd Legum. The issuance of the directive in turn prompted lawyers for the plaintiffs in the case to go back to U.S. District Judge Algenon Marbley with an even more urgent request, filed late Friday evening:

This new Directive makes an affirmative change to the previous provisional ballot counting standard, beyond what was required to comply with this Court’s and the Sixth Circuit’s recent orders. Instead, contrary to this Court’s October 26, 2012 decision, the Secretary’s representations to this Court on October 24, 2012, and the Constitution, the Secretary is now ordering that county boards of election must reject provisional ballots when the identification information contained in Step 2 of the ballot affirmation form 12-B is incomplete.

The contours of the legal dispute aren’t narrowing, as some legal disputes do at this stage of an election contest, but instead are growing. They are growing because the secretary of state has just doubled down on his position about incomplete provisional ballots. If he was wrong on Thursday, you could say, he was even more wrong on Friday. And that will likely mean a Monday ruling* from Judge Marbley which will then be appealed into Tuesday (and beyond) to the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Folks, the legal fight for Ohio’s votes is already here and here to stay.

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309 comments
1 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:33:40am

There are Ohio Democrats that are on it. I'm on an Ohio Political Bi-Partisan blog and I've never seen such vigilance.

2 b_snark  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:36:05am

Have they no conscience?

3 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:41:31am

re: #2 b_sharp

Have they no conscience?

No. And they won't gain any unless they start jailing these criminals.

4 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:42:33am

This is getting old. Husted's a fucking punk.

5 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:47:32am

From Kasich, to Husted, to friggin' Josh Mandel...
Shady bastards.
Every. Last. One.

6 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:48:49am

This is not good. The more I read about this the more it makes me sick.

7 KiTA  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:52:12am

Can someone give me a quick summary for the not-legally-minded? Basically they're demanding they throw out any ballots that don't have all the is dotted and ts crossed, but this is a last minute change in the rules that won't be passed down to all the workers AND will result in most early votes being tossed out?

Am I close?

8 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:57:06am

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9 spiderx  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:57:15am

Jon Husted belongs in prison. He's done everything he can to try to disenfranchise voters. It's un-American.

10 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:57:26am

re: #7 KiTA

Can someone give me a quick summary for the not-legally-minded? Basically they're demanding they throw out any ballots that don't have all the is dotted and ts crossed, but this is a last minute change in the rules that won't be passed down to all the workers AND will result in most early votes being tossed out?

Am I close?

A lawyer friend of mine keeps posting the particulars on the political blog, I can't grasp any of it. All I know is the that lawyers are battling tooth and nail every step of the way with this.

11 blueraven  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:59:11am

re: #7 KiTA

Can someone give me a quick summary for the not-legally-minded? Basically they're demanding they throw out any ballots that don't have all the is dotted and ts crossed, but this is a last minute change in the rules that won't be passed down to all the workers AND will result in most early votes being tossed out?

Am I close?

Not early votes, provisional ballots. There is a big difference.

12 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:59:51am

I imagine him and his team racking their brains to figure out how to steal the election.
If only they would expend this much energy into good governance.
On the brighter side, it seems like they recognize Obama will take Ohio without interference, so I hope the Obama Romney gap is too huge for them to overcome.
Most citizens see what they're doing. I am keeping my fingers crossed that the courts will shut his ass down once again.

13 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:01:20am

The 'Show Users' feature, as you've probably already noticed, isn't showing anything right now. That's next on the to-do list.

14 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:01:22am

re: #12 R.M, Ramallo

I imagine him and his team racking their brains to figure out how to steal the election.
If only they would expend this much energy into good governance.
On the brighter side, it seems like they recognize Obama will take Ohio without interference, so I hope the Obama Romney gap is too huge for them to overcome.
Most citizens see what they're doing. I am keeping my fingers crossed that the courts will shut his ass down once again.

That's my hope, that the margin of victory for Obama is such that counting provisional votes is a simple formality. Second-best scenario? That Willard loses enough swing states that Ohio itself becomes a formality.

15 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:02:27am

re: #11 blueraven

Not early votes, provisional ballots. There is a big difference.

Yep.
That's why there was such a push to make sure everyone was properly registered before the deadline.
It's a last ditch effort to not count the votes, and drag Tuesday into infinity.

16 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:02:31am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

I was wondering what happened to it. I am sure once it fixed it will be better than ever. :)

17 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:03:53am

re: #14 Targetpractice

Amen

18 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:04:57am

We need a set of federal rules, procedures and ID standards for national elections, leave the rest to the states, but do not allow little partisan pricks to mess with the presidential elections.

19 dragonfire1981  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:05:35am

I'm sure this is only the beginning folks.

Look for more vote counts to magically "drop", more ballots declared invalid for suspect reasons, more "technical difficulties" with some of the voting machines. How about a sudden "emergency" that forces some polling places to close early?

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if some poll workers deliberately mislead voters to try and strengthen support on "their" side.

20 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:05:47am

re: #18 AK-47%

We need a set of federal rules, procedures and ID standards for national elections, leave the rest to the states, but do not allow little partisan pricks to mess with the presidential elections.

State's Rights !!!
//

21 dragonfire1981  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:06:14am

re: #18 AK-47%

We need a set of federal rules, procedures and ID standards for national elections, leave the rest to the states, but do not allow little partisan pricks to mess with the presidential elections.

Correct me if I am wrong, but you are saying we need Voter ID laws?

22 Randall Gross  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:06:53am

The nuts and bolts of it boil down to state law demanding that the experienced poll worker fill out the confusing identification form for provisional ballots vs his rule change that makes the voter try to fill out the confusing form from what I read earlier. (someone correct me please if I misinterpreted that.) It's one of those deals where his last minute change will throw just enough confusion into the process that they can game it a bit and get into court easier in Ohio if they think they need to.

23 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:07:27am

re: #13 Charles Johnson

The 'Show Users' feature, as you've probably already noticed, isn't showing anything right now. That's next on the to-do list.

Charles, it is Sunday --go for a bike ride or something.

24 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:07:54am

re: #7 KiTA

Can someone give me a quick summary for the not-legally-minded? Basically they're demanding they throw out any ballots that don't have all the is dotted and ts crossed, but this is a last minute change in the rules that won't be passed down to all the workers AND will result in most early votes being tossed out?

Am I close?

Under the law, a poll worker is supposed to take down the voter's ID info, and if there is a mistake it can be corrected then and there. What they republicans are trying to do is make it the voter's responsibility to fill out a form with their ID info, and if there's a mistake, tough shit, your vote doesn't count.

25 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:08:17am

re: #21 dragonfire1981

Correct me if I am wrong, but you are saying we need Voter ID laws?

Yes, we need a stinking national voter ID that is free of charge, biometrically sound and allows every single eligble voter to cast a vote if they wish to participate.

Until we have one, we will have no end of these sort of political shenanigans, especially with campaigns tuning into multi-billion dollar circuses, the stakes are jsut too high.

26 Joanne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:08:19am

re: #10 Gretchen G.Tiger

A lawyer friend of mine keeps posting the particulars on the political blog, I can't grasp any of it. All I know is the that lawyers are battling tooth and nail every step of the way with this.

What blog is that? I would like to read it.

27 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:09:41am

re: #26 Joanne

What blog is that? I would like to read it.

It's actually a fb page. email me

28 Joanne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:10:34am

re: #12 R.M, Ramallo

I imagine him and his team racking their brains to figure out how to steal the election.
If only they would expend this much energy into good governance.
On the brighter side, it seems like they recognize Obama will take Ohio without interference, so I hope the Obama Romney gap is too huge for them to overcome.
Most citizens see what they're doing. I am keeping my fingers crossed that the courts will shut his ass down once again.

The DoJ is sending lawyers to four places in OH; Cleveland was one. I just read it this morning.

29 Joanne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:11:33am

re: #19 dragonfire1981

I'm sure this is only the beginning folks.

Look for more vote counts to magically "drop", more ballots declared invalid for suspect reasons, more "technical difficulties" with some of the voting machines. How about a sudden "emergency" that forces some polling places to close early?

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if some poll workers deliberately mislead voters to try and strengthen support on "their" side.

They had 1000 votes disappear overnight in FL from a primarily black area.

30 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:12:18am

I'm going to the Dem. Party party on election night...
The kids are staying at gramma and papa's house, cause you know, it's at a bar.
I cannot be held accountable for my actions if it's a long night...
//

31 Joanne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:12:32am

re: #19 dragonfire1981

I'm sure this is only the beginning folks.

Look for more vote counts to magically "drop", more ballots declared invalid for suspect reasons, more "technical difficulties" with some of the voting machines. How about a sudden "emergency" that forces some polling places to close early?

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if some poll workers deliberately mislead voters to try and strengthen support on "their" side.

And a woman out west (Oregon I think) was altering ballots, completing them where people had left section incomplete. She is a registered republican.

32 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:12:49am

I've gotten more political email in the last 24 hours than I think I've ever gotten. I prefer it to the robo-phone calls. Much easier and faster to delete.

33 Joanne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:13:05am

re: #21 dragonfire1981

Correct me if I am wrong, but you are saying we need Voter ID laws?

What we need is a better way to vote.

34 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:13:11am

Seems like DOJ is ready.

35 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:14:21am

re: #32 Gretchen G.Tiger

Even with an unlisted number I am getting a lot of calls due to the general election. I got seven calls in one day.

36 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:14:24am

After this election is over, every single elected official who was a part of the voter suppression effort needs to be targeted, and targeted hard. I don't care if it means donating time and money to their Republican primary challenger, a message needs to be sent. This cannot be allowed to go unpunished.

37 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:16:01am

re: #33 Joanne

What we need is a better way to vote.

Which is what I mean for federal standards for federal elections (Congressional and Presidential). Once they are established, states will most likely adapt their standards to fit federal elections. Those who don't will be left explaining why they are so darn special.

38 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:18:11am

re: #32 Gretchen G.Tiger

I've gotten more political email in the last 24 hours than I think I've ever gotten. I prefer it to the robo-phone calls. Much easier and faster to delete.

They've been a joy to read, if only the descriptions, for awhile now. I'm still on the Tea Party Express email list despite pulling my head out of my ass years ago and the tone of their emails has gone from confident to "concerned" to downright suicidal. The number of fanciful predictions about how Romney can win Pennsylvania, Michigan, or Wisconsin are hilarious.

39 jaunte  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:18:46am
40 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:19:38am

re: #35 PhillyPretzel

Even with an unlisted number I am getting a lot of calls due to the general election. I got seven calls in one day.

We converted our land line to an extra cell line for $10/month. It gets the robo-calls and we never answer it!

41 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:21:33am

re: #40 Gretchen G.Tiger

I have a land line and and a cell. Both are on the Gov't Do Not Call list. And I still get the robo-calls and unwanted calls.

42 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:21:39am

Besides being contrary to the previous court settlement of this issue It also violates Ohio State law.

Ohio Rev. Code § 3505.181(B)(6) provides that, once a voter casting a provisional ballot proffers identification, ‘the appropriate local election official shall record the type of identification provided, the social security number information, the fact that the affirmation was executed, or the fact that the individual declined to execute such an affirmation and include that information with the transmission of the ballot.'

43 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:21:40am

The Republican Party's vision of liberty is an idea that people must be granted liberty to deny the liberty of others.

44 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:22:24am

re: #43 Gus

The Republican Party's vision of liberty is an idea that people must be granted liberty to deny the liberty of others.

Liberty must be earned. With money, not with duty.

45 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:22:51am

re: #44 AK-47%

Liberty must be earned. With money, not with duty.

46 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:22:51am

re: #43 Gus

The Republican Party's vision of liberty is an idea that people must be granted liberty to deny the liberty of others.

Yep this times 1000. You see this mindset especially in regards to gay marriage.

47 jaunte  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:24:10am
48 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:24:35am

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Hugo Chavez are watching this election closely and getting tips from the Republican Party in how to conduct an election.

49 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:24:59am

All these reports of early voting being packed make me think that the right wing fantasy of Democratic turnout being dramatically down is just that and then some.

50 RadicalModerate  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:25:01am

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Yep this times 1000. You see this mindset especially in regards to gay marriage.

...and women's rights, minority voting rights, "religious freedom"...

the list is endless.

51 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:26:10am

re: #47 jaunte

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It's also a mess in Florida thanks to Rick Scott.

52 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:26:20am

re: #50 RadicalModerate

...and women's rights, minority voting rights, "religious freedom"...

the list is endless.

Yep of course. Really as said, their concept of liberty is about other people having the right to deny others liberty whether that's a woman having the right to choose, a gay couple getting married, a Muslim community that wants to set up a mosque, etc. It's repulsive to put it kindly.

53 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:26:23am

re: #45 Gus

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I will not be surprised when the GOP, after the poor performance of such unrestricted spending in this election, starts pushing for restrictions on that money in the upcoming Congress.

54 jaunte  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:26:55am

re: #48 Gus

Husted and Scott are gaming the system in an authentically Chavista-like manner.

55 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:27:07am

re: #49 HappyWarrior

All these reports of early voting being packed make me think that the right wing fantasy of Democratic turnout being dramatically down is just that and then some.

Expect the best, prepare for the worst. The reports paint only part of the picture.

56 KiTA  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:27:33am

re: #36 Sophist, Gingham Style (AKA Bronco Bama)

After this election is over, every single elected official who was a part of the voter suppression effort needs to be targeted, and targeted hard. I don't care if it means donating time and money to their Republican primary challenger, a message needs to be sent. This cannot be allowed to go unpunished.

You think the Republican primary challengers wouldn't do the same thing?

This isn't a few bad apples. This is a poisoned tree.

Gooserock on DailyKos had a very good point, too: This Ohio thing might work because of the recent gerrymandering the GOP did, meaning there will be a shitload of provisional ballots.

57 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:27:45am

re: #53 Targetpractice

I will not be surprised when the GOP, after the poor performance of such unrestricted spending in this election, starts pushing for restrictions on that money in the upcoming Congress.

What I expect they'll do is they'll cite the fact that the unions have raised a lot of money in the battleground industrial states and claim that it's corrupted the process while allowing for loopholes that allow corporate power to still able to get their way.

58 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:28:14am

The redesign of the dynamic features is eliminating a major bottleneck for the database. Previously, every logged in user's browser was sending an Ajax request every 5 seconds, and every one of those requests was connecting to the database. That's a lot of database connections, over and over, forever.

The redesigned code now has only one script running in a loop on the server, that generates a JSON data file every 5 seconds, and all those logged in users now simply read that data file -- no need to connect to the database at all.

This results in a huge reduction in DB connections; instead of hundreds of connections every 5 seconds, it's now down to one.

This should help a lot in traffic surges, e.g., when Reddit likes one of our posts.

59 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:28:32am

You know Ohio has issues, when Joe the "Plumber" is running for a seat.
In Toledo. For reals.

60 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:29:11am

re: #59 R.M, Ramallo

You know Ohio has issues, when Joe the "Plumber" is running for a seat.
In Toledo. For reals.

Yeah yikes.

61 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:30:20am

re: #54 jaunte

Husted and Scott are gaming the system in an authentically Chavista-like manner.

Govs. Bush and Crist never did anything like this in Florida. It's a sign of the new TGOP.

62 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:30:46am

re: #59 R.M, Ramallo

You know Ohio has issues, when Joe the "Plumber" is running for a seat.
In Toledo. For reals.

I recall him getting real irate when the interviewer pressed him for actualy policy points. He was expecting to be elected based on his iconic appeal alone, I guess.

63 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:31:39am

Just seeing the Powell ad for Obama now. So sick of this question seven ads. If you live in or near Maryland, you know what I'm talking about.

64 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:32:04am

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Just seeing the Powell ad for Obama now. So sick of this question seven ads. If you live in or near Maryland, you know what I'm talking about.

:/

65 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:32:16am

One side effect of this new method that I should mention so that everybody immediately forgets it -- the dynamic features now work only on the most recent 25 articles or Pages. If you dig into the archives and go to an older post, there's no dynamic updating - it all happens once when the page loads.

I don't think this will be a problem.

66 jaunte  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:35:19am
67 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:36:29am

re: #66 jaunte

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I just saw a post about that. Lots of people out to vote. Which is a good thing -no?

68 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:36:52am

These anti Kaine ads are funny. They accuse him of being a big spender and of cutting education. So which was it? There's only so much you can spend on when you're governor. Love that the NRSC is suddenly concerned about education spending too.

69 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:38:16am

Also, redistricting is a problem.
We have an established Congress woman, Betty Sutton, running against an orange used car salesman, Jim Renacci.

When I look for a guy that I need to trust to look out for my interests, the first place I go is to a used car lot.//

70 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:39:59am
71 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:40:40am

...I objected when George W. Bush was the subject of undeserved hyperbolic criticism, but the baseless scorn heaped upon President Obama makes Bush's detractors look diplomatic. The president, the office, and our nation deserve better...

72 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:42:16am

re: #70 Gretchen G.Tiger

What is this supposed to mean?

Wingnut site is wingnut.

73 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:42:24am

re: #70 Gretchen G.Tiger

What is this supposed to mean?

What an amusingly derpy wingnut site.

74 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:42:53am
75 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:43:24am

re: #73 Varek Raith

What an amusingly derpy wingnut site.

NJ declares martial law!!11ty

76 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:43:32am

re: #70 Gretchen G.Tiger

What is this supposed to mean?

Obama can't draw half the crowd Romney can! HE'S DOOMED!

77 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:44:03am
78 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:44:10am

re: #75 Gus

NJ declares martial law!!11ty

Lol.

SHOCKING REPORT: Soros, Berger, Brezinski tied to Libya violence...

79 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:44:39am
80 kirkspencer  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:45:09am

My hope is that there are so many electoral votes that Ohio by itself won't matter.

See, at this point it is inevitable that this is going into the court system. And because it's of such national import I have little doubt about it at least being presented to the Supreme Court.

Unlike the situation in Florida, this would be a legitimate intervention by that court. However, if "who wins Ohio" does not matter it relieves a lot of pressure both to rush and to follow political positions instead of actual law.

For what it's worth, my personal projection of 303 EVs for Obama would cover this situation. Ohio's 18 votes in contention would take the count down to 285 which is still 15 more than Obama needs. I'd also like to note that this projection assumes Romney will win both North Carolina and Florida. I raise the point because the most recent flurry of polls make both races too close to call. That's a potential 44 more electoral votes to make it immaterial.

But to repeat myself, the court fight over these votes is locked in. The only question is whether or not it matters overall.

81 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:45:22am

re: #70 Gretchen G.Tiger

What is this supposed to mean?

Stevie Wonder's unannounced street performance didn't draw as many supporters as Romney's big official rally. Therefore Obummer is doomed, DOOMED I SAY!

82 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:45:52am

Heh...

83 Tigger2  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:45:54am

re: #70 Gretchen G.Tiger

What is this supposed to mean?

More Romney bullshit.

84 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:46:54am

VOTE MITT REAGAN!

85 kirkspencer  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:47:07am

re: #74 Gretchen G.Tiger

Twisted thinking --I still think we should tax the Church.

heh.

If the Church insists on meddling in the affairs of Caesar, it should be unsurprised when Caesar meddles back.

86 Joanne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:49:01am

re: #49 HappyWarrior

All these reports of early voting being packed make me think that the right wing fantasy of Democratic turnout being dramatically down is just that and then some.

Something about awakening a sleeping giant or something.

87 jaunte  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:49:36am

Ten whole tweets
[Link: twitter.com...]

88 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:49:52am

re: #85 kirkspencer

heh.

If the Church insists on meddling in the affairs of Caesar, it should be unsurprised when Caesar meddles back.

I am so stealing that quote!

89 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:50:28am

re: #86 Joanne

Something about awakening a sleeping giant or something.

To steal from Nixon, silent majority.

90 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:50:58am

re: #89 HappyWarrior

To steal from Nixon, silent majority.

ah --China --right?

91 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:51:12am
92 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:51:55am

re: #91 Targetpractice

And now, the excuse-making begins:

Republicans Lay The Groundwork To Blame Hurricane Sandy If Romney Loses

Yep, cause it was all hunky dory for Mitt until then.
Yeppers!

93 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:52:56am
94 Tigger2  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:54:21am

re: #87 jaunte

Ten whole tweets
[Link: twitter.com...]

And none of them are good reasons, they are based on lies.

95 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:55:08am

Posted with Permission -regarding Butler County Ohio

Bruce Carter (attorney and google him if you want to know more)

"Here is the early vote update from the Board staff in Butler County. Yesterday the wait was one hour at the longest. Today voters lined up at noon for our 1 p.m. opening. The Board staff has been working hard and efficiently to get voters through the process as quickly as possible. The numbers this weekend, 1,525 Saturday, 1,763 on Friday. In 2008 with more hours we voted 4100 voters the last weekend. To date, 17,986 people have voted in person. In the entire 2008 early voting 15.037 total early in person voters. To date we have issued 48,074 early ballots and in 2008 there was a total of 43,452 early voters. We still have Monday in person voting. I'd suggest if you can vote Monday, give it your best shot. Given this turnout and total, I'd say Tuesday will probably be a higher turnout than 2008. If that is the case, those who are waiting until Tuesday need to plan the timing of your vote to try to go on what are normally off peak times."

96 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:55:25am

re: #93 Gus

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Benghazi.

97 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:55:55am
98 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:55:58am

re: #93 Gus

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Remember the movie "Ants"? The grasshoppers were screwed when the ants realized there were more ants than grasshoppers?

99 Joanne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:56:35am

re: #53 Targetpractice

I will not be surprised when the GOP, after the poor performance of such unrestricted spending in this election, starts pushing for restrictions on that money in the upcoming Congress.

The problem I see is what is going to happen at the state and local levels. Perhaps that was a wise investment, as we focus on the nationals and ignore the locals. That could fuck us for years.

100 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:56:39am

re: #98 Gretchen G.Tiger

Remember the movie "Ants"? The grasshoppers were screwed when the ants realized there were more ants than grasshoppers?

Can't recall at the moment but it sounds interesting.

101 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:56:53am
102 Flounder  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:57:06am

Okay, please correct me if I am wrong. If you saunter into a polling place in Ohio, and your name is not on the voting list, they give you a provisional ballot. On the provisional ballot it is your responsibility to fill it out correctly. If you do not do so, your vote doesn't count. That seems reasonable to me.

103 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:57:18am
104 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:57:41am

re: #100 Gus

Can't recall at the moment but it sounds interesting.

kids cartoon movie. The FX were pretty cool.

105 Tigger2  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:57:44am

re: #97 Gus

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I hate to say it but this has the potential to become violent.

106 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:58:43am

re: #103 Gretchen G.Tiger

That link wanted me to log in to facebook. I do not "do" facebook.

107 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:58:56am

re: #98 Gretchen G.Tiger

Remember the movie "Ants"? The grasshoppers were screwed when the ants realized there were more ants than grasshoppers?

I think that's A Bug's Life you're talking about. Antz was about the individual vs. the collective.

108 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:59:07am
109 Joanne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:59:18am

re: #59 R.M, Ramallo

You know Ohio has issues, when Joe the "Plumber" is running for a seat.
In Toledo. For reals.

Have you looked? What's old Sam, er, Joe's chances?

110 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:59:35am

re: #106 PhillyPretzel

That link wanted me to log in to facebook. I do not "do" facebook.

sorry

111 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:59:54am

re: #96 Varek Raith

Benghazi.

Speaking of, I've now got wingnuts who were entertaining the idea a week ago of the CIA "going rogue" and revealing the "truth" of what happened in Benghazi because Obama "threw them under the bus" now being accused of being liars for releasing a timeline that doesn't conform to conspiracy theories.

You notice everybody who supposedly has an axe to grind and will "betray" Obama is instead confirming the White House's version of events?

112 KronoGhazi  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:00:17pm

re: #73 Varek Raith

What an amusingly derpy wingnut site.

Maybe a little:
SHOCKING REPORT: Soros, Berger, Brezinski tied to Libya violence...

113 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:00:28pm

re: #107 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

I think that's A Bug's Life you're talking about. Antz was about the individual vs. the collective.

welll, whatever . . . . . .

:)

thanx for the correction. Gus will appreciate it.

114 kirkspencer  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:00:36pm

re: #102 Shropshire_Slasher

Okay, please correct me if I am wrong. If you saunter into a polling place in Ohio, and your name is not on the voting list, they give you a provisional ballot. On the provisional ballot it is your responsibility to fill it out correctly. If you do not do so, your vote doesn't count. That seems reasonable to me.

Yep, you're wrong. It is the poll worker's job to ensure the identification block is filled out correctly to include what identification it was checked against.

115 Joanne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:01:18pm

re: #62 AK-47%

I recall him getting real irate when the interviewer pressed him for actualy policy points. He was expecting to be elected based on his iconic appeal alone, I guess.

It worked for Ryan. He's a policy wonk, very serious person, knows his shit, oooh aaaah.

I know more than Ryan. And that should scare anyone who votes.

116 jaunte  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:01:54pm

re: #101 Gus

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Wasn't it supposed to be open until 5 p.m.?

117 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:02:31pm

re: #116 jaunte

Wasn't it supposed to be open until 5 p.m.?

Something like that.

118 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:03:23pm

re: #102 Shropshire_Slasher

Okay, please correct me if I am wrong. If you saunter into a polling place in Ohio, and your name is not on the voting list, they give you a provisional ballot. On the provisional ballot it is your responsibility to fill it out correctly. If you do not do so, your vote doesn't count. That seems reasonable to me.

Lovely framing you've got there. Gold leaf and everything. "Saunter".

According to Ohio law it is the poll worker's responsibility to verify and record the identification you provide. Not yours. If the poll worker doesn't do his/her job, according to Husted, you're the one who's SOL. That sucks.

119 jaunte  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:03:47pm

re: #117 Gus

The department had opened its Doral headquarters from 1 p.m. to 5 p.m. as a work-around to an early-voting crackdown law.

But by 2 p.m., around 180 voters had showed up, and department spokeswoman Christina White said the office would not be able to accommodate any more voters who showed up. Additional voters would be turned away, she said.

“We had the best of intentions to provide this service today,” she said. “We just can’t accommodate it to the degree that we would like to.”

[Link: www.miamiherald.com...]

180 voters overload the system. Ridiculous.

120 Joanne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:03:55pm

re: #67 Gretchen G.Tiger

I just saw a post about that. Lots of people out to vote. Which is a good thing -no?

I fear people are going to tire of standing in line for 6-8 hours.

121 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:04:57pm
122 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:06:09pm

re: #121 Gus

I love to see the citizen turn-out.

123 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:06:15pm

Tuesday's going to be a mess in Ohio and Florida.

124 Joanne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:06:33pm

re: #70 Gretchen G.Tiger

What is this supposed to mean?

That site is trying to be the new Blaze. There's an article about martial law being instilled in NJ.

125 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:06:37pm

re: #102 Shropshire_Slasher

Even so, that's no excuse to change it 2 freaking days from the election.

126 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:06:53pm

re: #93 Gus

When you go to the usual RWNJ sites a lot of the posters are justifying this crap because of their belief in the mythical "widespread democrat voting fraud." All these voter suppression tactics are therefore simply them trying to "level the playing field," it is good for democracy don't cha know?

127 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:07:46pm
128 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:08:18pm

re: #109 Joanne

Have you looked? What's old Sam, er, Joe's chances?

Due to redistricting, the 16th district leans more republican than it used to.
Renacci is now running against an incumbent as an incumbent(2010). He has a shot, but I have to check on Joe.

129 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:08:19pm

re: #122 Gretchen G.Tiger

I love to see the citizen turn-out.

Could someone point out a corporate citizen in that line for me? Or do they vote somewhere else?

130 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:08:33pm

re: #126 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

When you go to the usual RWNJ sites a lot of the posters are justifying this crap because of their belief in the mythical "widespread democrat voting fraud." All these voter suppression tactics are therefore simply them trying to "level the playing field," it is good for democracy don't cha know?

anything justifies shutting down Planned Parenthood and saving hypothetical unborn people.

*spit*

131 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:08:56pm

re: #129 Eventual Carrion

Could someone point out a corporate citizen in that line for me? Or do they vote somewhere else?

or the Churches standing in line?

132 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:09:04pm

re: #127 Gretchen G.Tiger

This is kinda nasty, but the point is valid.

Guess I'll have to take your word for it...

The requested content cannot be loaded.
Please try again later.

133 Tigger2  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:09:40pm

re: #132 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Guess I'll have to take your word for it...

Got the same thing.

134 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:09:45pm

re: #126 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

When you go to the usual RWNJ sites a lot of the posters are justifying this crap because of their belief in the mythical "widespread democrat voting fraud." All these voter suppression tactics are therefore simply them trying to "level the playing field," it is good for democracy don't cha know?

And dictators across the globe and in the darkest depths of Hell smile on, thrilled that the tactics they've been using for decades are finding root in the supposed land of freedom and democracy.

135 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:10:44pm

re: #91 Targetpractice

And now, the excuse-making begins:

Republicans Lay The Groundwork To Blame Hurricane Sandy If Romney Loses

Rupert Murdoch has already blamed Chris Christie for praising Obama's handling of the hurricane. Hope CC can live with the shame and guilt, might send him off on an eating binge...

136 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:10:46pm

re: #121 Gus

On one hand, seeing so many people eager to vote makes me happy. On the other hand, why do we not have enough voting machines and polling places so that people don't have to wait in line for hours? We are theoretically a superpower, yes? Surely we can afford it.

137 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:11:10pm

WTF...

138 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:11:25pm
139 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:11:28pm

re: #129 Eventual Carrion

Could someone point out a corporate citizen in that line for me? Or do they vote somewhere else?

So stealing that

140 jaunte  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:12:30pm

Miami-Dade county, population 2,554,766.
Facilities overwhelmed by 180 early voters.

141 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:12:37pm

re: #134 Targetpractice

And dictators across the globe and in the darkest depths of Hell smile on, thrilled that the tactics they've been using for decades are finding root in the supposed land of freedom and democracy.

...again.

142 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:13:23pm

I do like hearing about high early turnout. That's always a plus.

143 Tigger2  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:14:22pm

re: #141 The Ghost of a Flea

...again.

If they did that again Dems would be most of the people voting. lol

144 Varek Raith  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:15:01pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

I do like hearing about high early turnout. That's always a plus.

THAT'S TERRIBLE!
-GOP

145 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:15:56pm

isn't 'souls to the polls' taking place in ohio right now?

146 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:16:33pm

re: #133 Tigger2

Got the same thing.

I can't seem to fix it.

147 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:17:19pm

trying again.

no?--

never mind

148 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:17:40pm

re: #147 Gretchen G.Tiger

trying again.

fail

149 RadicalModerate  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:18:24pm

re: #141 The Ghost of a Flea

...again.

Don't forget about the Republican Party's desire to repeal the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and to "fix" the 14th Amendment...

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

150 jaunte  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:18:32pm

Sub-rosa voting.

Mayor Gimenez did not request Gov. Rick Scott extend early voting throughout Miami-Dade county. Further, according to Jim DeFede, an investigative reporter for CBS News in Miami, the decision to have in-person absentee balloting was made last night but not announced publicly until 9:30AM this morning.
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

151 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:21:01pm

OK, here's my prediction.

Image: Electoral-Map-A.jpg

Obama wins here.

152 Joanne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:21:40pm

re: #128 R.M, Ramallo

Due to redistricting, the 16th district leans more republican than it used to.
Renacci is now running against an incumbent as an incumbent(2010). He has a shot, but I have to check on Joe.

Did a quick google, can't find anything.

153 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:22:27pm

re: #151 Gus

OK, here's my prediction.

Image: Electoral-Map-A.jpg

Obama wins here.

Being a bit pessimistic, eh?

154 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:22:49pm

re: #152 Joanne

Did a quick google, can't find anything.

neither can i

155 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:23:14pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

Being a bit pessimistic, eh?

No. Realistic. If I were being pessimistic I would not have Obama winning now would I?

156 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:24:30pm

re: #155 Gus

No. Realistic. If I were being pessimistic I would not have Obama winning now would I?

I was wondering how you're giving Colorado and Virginia to Romney.

157 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:24:33pm

You can make your own here.

[Link: elections.huffingtonpost.com...]

158 RadicalModerate  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:24:36pm

re: #151 Gus

OK, here's my prediction.

Image: Electoral-Map-A.jpg

Obama wins here.

Slight disagreement: Obama is going to win both Virginia and Iowa, unless there are major voting irregularities there. He's leading in both states, and poll numbers have the gap actually widening.

159 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:24:56pm

re: #156 Targetpractice

I was wondering how you're giving Colorado and Virginia to Romney.

Make your own map. That's my map.

160 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:25:15pm

re: #158 RadicalModerate

Slight disagreement: Obama is going to win both Virginia and Iowa, unless there are major voting irregularities there. He's leading in both states, and poll numbers have the gap actually widening.

Make your own map. That's my map.

[Link: elections.huffingtonpost.com...]

161 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:25:59pm

I think Obama wins Virginia. A small factor that not a lot of national pundits aren't talking about is the Goode factor. It's similar albeit smaller to what we heard about Gary Johnson in New Mexico.

162 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:26:43pm

Attorney's filing paperwork in Florida and Ohio --it's a litigator's dream.

HA!

163 kirkspencer  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:27:01pm

re: #158 RadicalModerate

Slight disagreement: Obama is going to win both Virginia and Iowa, unless there are major voting irregularities there. He's leading in both states, and poll numbers have the gap actually widening.

(agree)
And provided you look at all the polls, not just the ones RCP lists. Easiest way to see the difference is to see what 538 lists and notice how RCP managed to not list several polls that favor Obama. Even if you excluded the IPSOS online polls RCP should have Obama ahead.

164 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:27:14pm

re: #136 Sophist, Gingham Style (AKA Bronco Bama)

On one hand, seeing so many people eager to vote makes me happy. On the other hand, why do we not have enough voting machines and polling places so that people don't have to wait in line for hours? We are theoretically a superpower, yes? Surely we can afford it.

Naw, voting should be restricted to a two hour window of one day with only one location allowed for each million registered voters. Then we put Vince McMahon in charge of the television production...

Ladies and Gentleman welcome to Voter Brawl!
May the strongest electorate win!

/

165 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:27:31pm

Whatever the outcome, Republicans in Ohio have widened the breach between themselves and early voters. Kind of a crappy long range plan they've got there.

166 allegro  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:27:49pm

re: #136 Sophist, Gingham Style (AKA Bronco Bama)

On one hand, seeing so many people eager to vote makes me happy. On the other hand, why do we not have enough voting machines and polling places so that people don't have to wait in line for hours? We are theoretically a superpower, yes? Surely we can afford it.

We have those... in wealthier, Republican voting areas. No waiting at all. Glass of wine and a crumpet when you've voted right.

///

167 Flounder  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:28:05pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

Axelrod says that is the state to watch for early results.

168 Mattand  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:28:07pm

Honest question: why is it so difficult to vote in OH and FL? What is it about these two states that they have these headaches all the time?

169 Tigger2  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:28:28pm

re: #162 Gretchen G.Tiger

Attorney's filing paperwork in Florida and Ohio --it's a litigator's dream.

HA!

I want to see some jail time for someone out of all this voter suppression shit, but I wont hold my breath.

170 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:28:41pm

Dick Morris's and Unskewed Poll Guy's electoral map.

Image: Dick-Morris-Electoral-Map.jpg

171 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:28:59pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

I think Obama wins Virginia. A small factor that not a lot of national pundits aren't talking about is the Goode factor. It's similar albeit smaller to what we heard about Gary Johnson in New Mexico.

Related:

173 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:29:26pm

re: #167 Shropshire_Slasher

Axelrod says that is the state to watch for early results.

Both campaigns have targeted us hard here but I give the slight edge to Obama here.

174 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:29:34pm

re: #168 Mattand

Honest question: why is it so difficult to vote in OH and FL? What is it about these two states that they have these headaches all the time?

Because the lawyers are all there--LOL

175 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:29:49pm

re: #159 Gus

Make your own map. That's my map.

All I want on my map is Florida. Romney is ahead by about 3, but fading.
Thinking about one last "last trip", but have poll-watching at 0600 on Tues.

176 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:29:53pm

Think I've reached my political saturation point for a couple hours. Time to go roam the Mojave again and reduce the mutant animal population.

177 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:29:56pm

re: #170 Gus

Dick Morris's and Unskewed Poll Guy's electoral map.

Image: Dick-Morris-Electoral-Map.jpg

Lost Ate their blue Crayola...

178 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:30:07pm

re: #152 JustJay

Did a quick google, can't find anything.

Ok. Nobody likes Joe the Plumber according to this:
Toledo Free Press...

FTA
"Like many people, we believe the region would benefit from a representative reboot in the newly configured Congressional District 9, but the lack of fervor in Samuel Wurzelbacher’s campaign against Rep. Marcy Kaptur disappointed us and did not convince us that he will be the one to replace the long-serving Kaptur."

179 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:30:28pm

re: #171 wrenchwench

Related:

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HAHAHAHAHAHA the only commenter has the name "Mama Winger"

180 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:30:50pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

All I want on my map is Florida. Romney is ahead by about 3, but fading.
Thinking about one last "last trip", but have poll-watching at 0600 on Tues.

I was borderline on Florida. It's just got a ton of conservatives.

181 RadicalModerate  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:32:08pm

Here's mine.

I'm leaving Florida as undecided because there's already way too much going on in the area of voting irregularities, and unlike Ohio, it is still up in the air who is the likely winner there.
Also, North Carolina, even though trending toward Obama, I'm leaving it and Colorado in the Romney column because those two states have an extremely vocal (and influential) religious-right presence, and will probably tip the scales in the end.

[Link: elections.huffingtonpost.com...]

182 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:32:23pm

re: #179 dragonath

HAHAHAHAHAHA the only commenter has the name "Mama Winger"

?? I see no comments...

'Mama Winger' is a former lizard, btw.

183 philosophus invidius  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:35:34pm

"Mitt Romney" sent me an email an hour ago that says:

We have a strong ground game and a clear message that voters are rallying behind. But your enthusiasm’s driving voter turnout.

We have the momentum.

I'm not sure Mitt understands the concept of momentum:

184 Joanne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:36:21pm

re: #164 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Naw, voting should be restricted to a two hour window of one day with only one location allowed for each million registered voters. Then we put Vince McMahon in charge of the television production...

/

Mad Mitt Beyond Thunderdome.

185 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:36:29pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

All I want on my map is Florida. Romney is ahead by about 3, but fading.
Thinking about one last "last trip", but have poll-watching at 0600 on Tues.

Another scenario.

[Link: elections.huffingtonpost.com...]

186 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:37:38pm

re: #160 Gus

Make your own map. That's my map.

[Link: elections.huffingtonpost.com...]

We could have had it all! This is all Christies fault!

[Link: elections.huffingtonpost.com...]

///

187 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:38:33pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

I have to be at the polls at 7am until 8pm. A very long day.

188 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:38:50pm

Saw the other day that apparently Christie was told that his praise of Obama during Sandy "won't be forgotten" by Romney's people. How lame is that? Really?

189 Joanne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:39:29pm

re: #178 R.M, Ramallo

Ok. Nobody likes Joe the Plumber according to this:
Toledo Free Press...

FTA
"Like many people, we believe the region would benefit from a representative reboot in the newly configured Congressional District 9, but the lack of fervor in Samuel Wurzelbacher’s campaign against Rep. Marcy Kaptur disappointed us and did not convince us that he will be the one to replace the long-serving Kaptur."

I forgot he was running against Kaptur. She's awesome.

190 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:39:32pm

The yellow pepper I just bit into is actually a manzano chile (30,000 unanticipated Scoville units).

It burns, but it's kind of awesome my tiny town's Asian market has obscure South American chiles.

191 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:41:03pm

re: #187 PhillyPretzel

I have to be at the polls at 7am until 8pm. A very long day.

Wife and I can spell each other, but we get to observe the setup and shut-down. Then we have the local Dem watch party at a bar w/wifi. I'll try to live-comment the returns from there.

192 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:41:15pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

I'm sure Christie won't forget either.

193 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:42:09pm

re: #187 PhillyPretzel

I have to be at the polls at 7am until 8pm. A very long day.

Bring snacks.

194 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:42:35pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Saw the other day that apparently Christie was told that his praise of Obama during Sandy "won't be forgotten" by Romney's people. How lame is that? Really?

"Heard youse was talking to da man. Boss don't like that. He don like that at all. Getting all cozy, youse guys getting cozy? Boss don like that."

195 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:42:45pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Saw the other day that apparently Christie was told that his praise of Obama during Sandy "won't be forgotten" by Romney's people. How lame is that? Really?

Rupert Murdoch is already to blame him for four more years of Obama. Don't know if he will be able to carry that weight on his shoulders...

196 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:42:53pm

re: #192 dragonath

I'm sure Christie won't forget either.

I would love to get in his head right now. Wasn't that long ago that he was the new darling of the Republican Party and now he's being called a traitor because he praised the president's response to a disaster that literally hit home.

197 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:43:07pm

Likes in Akron long too.

198 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:43:46pm

re: #181 RadicalModerate

Here's mine.

I'm leaving Florida as undecided because there's already way too much going on in the area of voting irregularities, and unlike Ohio, it is still up in the air who is the likely winner there.
Also, North Carolina, even though trending toward Obama, I'm leaving it and Colorado in the Romney column because those two states have an extremely vocal (and influential) religious-right presence, and will probably tip the scales in the end.

[Link: elections.huffingtonpost.com...]

Obama has to win either Ohio or Florida. If you give Romney Virginia in this scenarios Obama wins if he only gets Florida or Ohio.

Ohio for Obama. Florida to Romney. Virginia to Romney. Obama wins.

Ohio for Romney. Florida to Obama. Virginia to Romney. Obama wins.

In both of these cases Obama would also survive a loss in Iowa.

199 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:44:15pm

re: #191 Decatur Deb

I will be there to collect the numbers from the day from 10 voting machines. I have off from work the next day. This will be the first time in twenty years that I have had the day after off from work.

200 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:44:36pm

re: #193 wrenchwench

I am packing a lunch and snacks.

201 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:44:56pm

re: #193 wrenchwench

Bring snacks.

Alabama allows "Comfort Drivers", to bring munchies and offer breaks to the poll watchers. I'm still watching for True the Vote nuts. Alabama is a
Romney lock, but so is Texas. They're already acting stupid there.

202 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:45:19pm

Hence...

:)

203 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:46:03pm

One thing I've noticed about movement conservatives is that even after they win, they really can't give up reminding everyone. I remember after Scott Brown won Kennedy's seat, some right wing group put up billboards saying "Thank you Massachusetts."

The past two years have been like that. The benefit? Spite drives turnout.

204 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:46:56pm

I was about to start going after Gary Johnson at the #BeThe5Percent hashtag for his 2008 vote for Chuck Baldwin, but I think I'll wait a few days.

:)

205 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:47:28pm

re: #203 dragonath

One thing I've noticed about movement conservatives is that even after they win, they really can't give up reminding everyone. I remember after Scott Brown won Kennedy's seat, some right wing group put up billboards saying "Thank you Massachusetts."

The past two years have been like that. The benefit? Spite drives turnout.

What's funny about that is a lot of them turned on Brown the second he did something they didn't like. It's like they forgot Brown after all is still the senator from Massachusetts not the senator from hahahaha Teddy Kennedy sucks.

206 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:48:06pm

Have a great afternoon all!

207 Joanne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:48:11pm

re: #198 Gus

I'm nauseous thinking about it. Too much bullshit. This isn't the first time. In WI with Waukesha County. OH voting machines. All the BS in FL today.

I don't care what Nate Silver says, if the vote is stolen, polls don't mean shit.

208 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:48:43pm

I think DOJ is ready if there's any funny business whatsoever/

209 Iwouldprefernotto  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:48:48pm

re: #188 HappyWarrior

Saw the other day that apparently Christie was told that his praise of Obama during Sandy "won't be forgotten" by Romney's people. How lame is that? Really?

What does this even mean? On Wed. Morning Christie will still have a job and Romney supporters will be updating their resumes.

210 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:49:39pm

re: #180 Gus

I was borderline on Florida. It's just got a ton of conservatives.

The neighborhoods we've been working in the Panhandle don't have many conservatives--don't have many paved streets, either.

211 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:50:10pm

re: #197 Gretchen G.Tiger

Likes in Akron long too.

Drove by yesterday.
Waiting people had folding chairs and blankets.

212 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:50:18pm

If there are major voting irregularities Nate Silver will spend the next 4 years pumping iron and going after every corrupt election official responsible.

213 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:50:26pm

re: #209 Iwouldprefernotto

What does this even mean? On Wed. Morning Christie will still have a job and Romney supporters will be updating their resumes.

In the event, Romney wins I guess he would keep Christie from an important cabinet position or if he loses, I guess they're saying that they would do anything to prevent him from going higher. Who knows with petty asshole Mitt Romney though.

214 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:51:00pm

re: #209 Iwouldprefernotto

What does this even mean? On Wed. Morning Christie will still have a job and Romney supporters will be updating their resumes.

Christie was quietly reminding us all that the country needs Republicans who can work with Democrats if we want to maintain a functional democracy.

Most Democrats and independents are entirely aware of that, but for some reason, a majority of his own party have lost sight of that notion.

215 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:51:02pm

re: #207 Joanne

I'm nauseous thinking about it. Too much bullshit. This isn't the first time. In WI with Waukesha County. OH voting machines. All the BS in FL today.

I don't care what Nate Silver says, if the vote is stolen, polls don't mean shit.

I'm cautiously optimistic yet would welcome a landslide in favor of Obama. I do have my own personal worst case scenarios which involve me going ballistic.

216 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:51:48pm

I'm optimistic but I am in the prepare for the best, expect the worst.

217 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:52:19pm

re: #215 Gus

I'm cautiously optimistic yet would welcome a landslide in favor of Obama. I do have my own personal worst case scenarios which involve me going ballistic.

Such as Obama winning the EC but losing th popular vote?

That would be a real clusterf*ck. 2000 would be forgotten, things would start to look more like 1860

219 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:55:14pm

Keeping the kids home from school on Wednesday.
Hubby is a poll volunteer, and I'm kickin' it with the Dems.
It looks to be a long night no matter who wins.

220 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:55:19pm

re: #218 Gus

Barbra Streisand Explains Why She Supports President Obama

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I would much rather hear Obama sing than hear Barbara S speak out on politics...

221 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:56:54pm

I have been struggling to stay out of "chicken counting" mode, hopeful and slightly optimistic but trying to be remain honest to myself in that anything is still possible.

222 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:58:25pm

re: #219 R.M, Ramallo

Keeping the kids home from school on Wednesday.
Hubby is a poll volunteer, and I'm kickin' it with the Dems.
It looks to be a long night no matter who wins.

If we get Ohio and Florida you can catch some sleep.

223 makeitstopghazi  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:58:27pm

This just in: I just read a post on a wingnut's FB page claiming that the notorious South American gang MS13 will be out in every state of the Lower 48, intimidating people out of voting for Romney.

By tomorrow, their 'news reports will likely contain aliens.

Anybody know where this MS13 rumor started? Seen it anywhere else?

224 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 12:58:37pm

re: #221 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

I have been struggling to stay out of "chicken counting" mode, hopeful and slightly optimistic but trying to be remain honest to myself in that anything is still possible.

The most important thing to this election is how we feel after the election. We won't find out until all the votes are counted. Hopefully, we feel good after the last vote is counted indicating victory for Obama and the nation.

225 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:00:41pm

re: #223 makeitstop

This just in: I just read a post on a wingnut's FB page claiming that the notorious South American gang MS13 will be out in every state of the Lower 48, intimidating people out of voting for Romney.

By tomorrow, their 'news reports will likely contain aliens.

Anybody know where this MS13 rumor started? Seen it anywhere else?

I haven't seen it but I just wanted to comment on how stupid that is. It's right up there with paranoia about union thugs and the new black panthers.

226 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:02:03pm

re: #222 Decatur Deb

If we get Ohio and Florida you can catch some sleep.

That would be huge!

Any Republican that thinks Romney has this election in the bag is delusional.

227 JeffM70  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:02:33pm

I don't know how Husted can keep his job after this. Of course Kasich isn't going to do anything about him. It's a disgrace.

228 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:03:05pm
229 Skip Intro  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:03:17pm

re: #209 Iwouldprefernotto

What does this even mean? On Wed. Morning Christie will still have a job and Romney supporters will be updating their resumes.

I'm afraid you're being optimistic. On Wed. morning, even if Obama manages an apparent win, the GOP will be out in force to prevent the key states from certifying the election. Their grounds will be all of the election irregularities, 99% of which were intentionally caused by them for just this reason.

You don't take hundreds of millions of dollars in dark money and just roll over because you've lost a fair election if you're a Republican. These people have been bought, and their owners won't be pleased to get no return on their investment.

230 Joanne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:04:11pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

I haven't seen it but I just wanted to comment on how stupid that is. It's right up there with paranoia about union thugs and the new black panthers.

Which means it's true!!!!11!!

231 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:05:00pm

re: #230 Joanne

Which means it's true!!!!11!!

You do have to give them credit though for being creative. Fucking right wing bigots.

232 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:05:28pm

Of course MS-13 is working for Obama. All brown people have magnets in their head that make vote for other brown people and intimidate white voters.

It is known.

233 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:06:40pm

Obama speaking in Florida...

[Link: www.c-span.org...]

234 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:07:02pm

re: #233 Gus

Obama speaking in Florida...

[Link: www.c-span.org...]

Hollywood, FL

235 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:07:35pm
236 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:07:47pm

re: #223 makeitstop

This just in: I just read a post on a wingnut's FB page claiming that the notorious South American gang MS13 will be out in every state of the Lower 48, intimidating people out of voting for Romney.

By tomorrow, their 'news reports will likely contain aliens.

Anybody know where this MS13 rumor started? Seen it anywhere else?

Great rumor: it is entirely unverifiable, and it preys on peoples' darkest fears.

237 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:07:56pm
238 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:08:05pm

re: #223 makeitstop

And gang comprised mainly of South Americans that exists only to sling drugs supports Obama over Romney because?

239 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:08:16pm

re: #235 Gus

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Wonder how popular Crist is in Florida these days.

240 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:09:05pm

re: #238 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

And gang comprised mainly of South Americans that exists only to sling drugs supports Obama over Romney because?

Because minorities always support minorities over whitey which is why Obama is support Allan West over his white opponent. Oh wait............

241 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:10:34pm

re: #238 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

And gang comprised mainly of South Americans that exists only to sling drugs supports Obama over Romney because?

REVEИGE!!!

242 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:10:40pm

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Wonder how popular Crist is in Florida these days.

He's good for attracting independents and for the few independent Republicans that don't like Rmoney.

243 makeitstopghazi  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:10:41pm

re: #238 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

And gang comprised mainly of South Americans that exists only to sling drugs supports Obama over Romney because?

Ya got me.

I figure MS13 only came up because some cable channel ran a documentary on them this week - or else they would have used Old Standby, the Black Panthers.

244 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:11:27pm

re: #242 Gus

He's good for attracting independents and for the few independent Republicans that don't like Rmoney.

Wonder if they've got a TV ad with him saying why he supports Obama e.g. like hte one I've seen by Powell.

245 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:12:09pm

re: #223 makeitstop

This just in: I just read a post on a wingnut's FB page claiming that the notorious South American gang MS13 will be out in every state of the Lower 48, intimidating people out of voting for Romney.

By tomorrow, their 'news reports will likely contain aliens.

Anybody know where this MS13 rumor started? Seen it anywhere else?

They aren't a 'South American' gang, so you know it came from an ignorant source. The gang was recently 'officially designated a transnational criminal organization', so they came to some wingnut's mind more quickly than the New Black Panthers.

246 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:12:19pm

re: #238 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

And gang comprised mainly of South Americans that exists only to sling drugs supports Obama over Romney because?

Because MS-13 have cunningly realized the Negroid's inherent moral laxity means that Obama will be less likely to use his magic executive power and the US Strategic Unicorn Reserve to impede their criminal endeavors.

Also, Barack Obama is the son of noted mesmerist and spooky power leech Grigori Efimovich Rasputin. He's Baracksputin.

247 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:12:27pm

re: #244 HappyWarrior

Wonder if they've got a TV ad with him saying why he supports Obama e.g. like hte one I've seen by Powell.

I haven't seen one.

248 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:14:06pm

re: #247 Gus

I haven't seen one.

Would be a good idea especially for Florida voters.

249 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:14:25pm

re: #232 The Ghost of a Flea

Of course MS-13 is working for Obama. All brown people have magnets in their head that make vote for other brown people and intimidate white voters.

It is known.

Wait...
Who told you !?!
//

250 funky chicken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:16:27pm

re: #29 Joanne

They had 1000 votes disappear overnight in FL from a primarily black area.

do you have a link?

251 Mattand  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:17:01pm

re: #246 The Ghost of a Flea

Because MS-13 have cunningly realized the Negroid's inherent moral laxity means that Obama will be less likely to use his magic executive power and the US Strategic Unicorn Reserve to impede their criminal endeavors.

Also, Barack Obama is the son of noted mesmerist and spooky power leech Grigori Efimovich Rasputin. He's Baracksputin.

That's milk-out-of-the-nose funny.

252 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:18:56pm

re: #246 The Ghost of a Flea

Because MS-13 have cunningly realized the Negroid's inherent moral laxity means that Obama will be less likely to use his magic executive power and the US Strategic Unicorn Reserve to impede their criminal endeavors.

Also, Barack Obama is the son of noted mesmerist and spooky power leech Grigori Efimovich Rasputin. He's Baracksputin.

LOL !
AKA Blacksputin

253 funky chicken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:19:09pm

re: #223 makeitstop

This just in: I just read a post on a wingnut's FB page claiming that the notorious South American gang MS13 will be out in every state of the Lower 48, intimidating people out of voting for Romney.

By tomorrow, their 'news reports will likely contain aliens.

Anybody know where this MS13 rumor started? Seen it anywhere else?

So they're trying to suppress their own vote? LOL. Granny and Gramps aren't gonna wanna tangle with MS13.

254 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:20:10pm

re: #253 funky chicken

So they're trying to suppress their own vote? LOL. Granny and Gramps aren't gonna wanna tangle with MS13.

Shhh that's logical.

255 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:20:26pm

OpinionToday 'For Whom Will You Vote?' May Be Wrong Question (NPR)

you're fucking-A right buster what the hell kind of a question izzat this here is amurica rodrammit talk amurican the question is 'who ya gonna vote for d00d'?

256 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:21:23pm


257 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:22:02pm

re: #248 HappyWarrior

Would be a good idea especially for Florida voters.

Crist was a good Governor and would have made a good Senator, the problem was he valued results over ideaology so the Tea Party backed Rubio...

Liberal Crist?

258 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:22:16pm

re: #256 Gus

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Nate Silver is my Valium since Friday and through Tuesday.

259 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:23:19pm

Derp.

260 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:23:41pm

re: #258 wrenchwench

Nate Silver is my Valium since Friday and through Tuesday.

Little punk should be made to post an update every hour, on the hour.

261 Joanne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:23:56pm

re: #250 funky chicken

do you have a link?

[Link: americablog.com...]


Here's another tidbit:

Oops #2 - Ohio: "Thousands of absentee-ballot requests may have been erroneously rejected statewide because of voter-registration issues, voter advocates say." - [Link: www.dispatch.com...]

Edit: the second link is related to to this post.

262 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:25:00pm

The fog of war Romney.

263 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:25:08pm

re: #259 Gus

Government spending creates jobs the way organ donations increase the number of Hearts, Kidneys,and Livers.

Derp.

It is not about increasing the number of organs available on the market, Grover, it is about saving as many lives as possible.

264 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:25:26pm

ny times yesterday:

The data, however, suggest just the opposite — that both candidates have benefited in the general election every time they have taken a left turn. President Obama was in deep political trouble 15 months ago when he cut the closest thing he could to a “grand bargain” with House Speaker John A. Boehner to slash the federal budget by trillions, and he did nothing for his popularity nine months earlier when he extended the Bush tax cuts to the wealthy. Not until he began talking like a populist did he begin picking up steam in the polls. Indeed, one of the most powerful messages the Democrats chose not to use in the 2010 midterm elections — which would have supported a policy that was extremely popular then and remains as popular now — was a simple message on taxes I tested nationally, which won in every region and with every demographic, including Tea Partyers: “In tough times like these, millionaires ought to be giving to charity, not getting it.” Once that position (and other populist appeals) became central to Mr. Obama’s presidential campaign, the election looked like it would be a rout.

BUT then in the first debate, Mr. Romney moved to the center, taking back his promise of tax cuts for the rich and proposing instead to let people choose which tax deductions they wanted to take (for their home mortgages, for example) but limiting the amount that can be deducted. Perhaps understandably, the president didn’t know what to do with a Republican challenger who was outflanking him half the time on his left, and suddenly the race was competitive again. For both men, a pragmatic left-hand turn helped them steer their way toward a middle class desperate for hope.

America's Leftward Tilt?

265 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:25:42pm

re: #261 Joanne

[Link: americablog.com...]

Here's another tidbit:

Oops #2 - Ohio: "Thousands of absentee-ballot requests may have been erroneously rejected statewide because of voter-registration issues, voter advocates say." - [Link: www.dispatch.com...]

That should be easy to investigate--the number of votes cast against the signed entries in the poll's registration log.

266 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:26:54pm

re: #263 AK-47%

It is not about increasing the number of organs, Grover, it is about saving as many lives as possible.

He's getting freaky because organ donations come with DEATH. Obviously they will increase the number of organs available. Stupid metaphor is stupid and like you said it saves lives.

267 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:31:00pm

Grover Norquist
Government spending creates jobs the way organ donations increase the number of Hearts, Kidneys,and Livers.

let me explain something to you, moron: when you pay somebody to do something useful, this is called a JOB

if you have some philosophical objection to it because the JOB was financed by the federal government, join a discussion group or something

268 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:31:05pm

re: #266 Gus

He's getting freaky because organ donations come with DEATH. Obviously they will increase the number of organs available. Stupid metaphor is stupid and like you said it saves lives.

He may also be keeping an eye on the supply of hearts. His seems non-functional.

269 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:32:02pm

re: #268 wrenchwench

He may also be keeping an eye on the supply of hearts. His seems non-functional.

Too bad they can't transplant brains as well.

270 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:32:06pm

grover norquist explains how things really work the way that ronald reagan eliminated the deficit just like he promised

271 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:32:13pm

re: #267 engineer cat

The purpose of government jobs is to allow private job creators to create jobs safely.

272 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:33:24pm

re: #268 wrenchwench

He may also be keeping an eye on the supply of hearts. His seems non-functional.

Maybe he can trade one of his many surplus assholes for a heart.

273 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:34:39pm

co-ordinate that spin!

Romney internal memo says 'GOP enthusiasm' will tilt election

In the face of poll numbers showing a challenging path to victory Tuesday, particularly in Ohio, Mitt Romney's campaign is telling allies to talk up Republican chances in Democratic-leaning states while insisting that "GOP enthusiasm" will carry Romney to victory on Election Day.
...
The memo was provided to CNN by a Republican source outside the Romney campaign, which frequently sends out confidential talking points to GOP senators, congressmen and governors.

274 AntonSirius  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:34:59pm

Game changer!

Romney got the best possible news today... the Redskins lost. Take that, unskewed polls!

275 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:35:13pm

biab

276 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:36:20pm

re: #274 AntonSirius

Game changer!

Romney got the best possible news today... the Redskins lost. Take that, unskewed polls!

i was rooting for the foreskins

277 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:38:53pm

re: #274 AntonSirius

Game changer!

Romney got the best possible news today... the Redskins lost. Take that, unskewed polls!

God this really does feel like 2004 all over again. I admit I was rooting for the Skins against my better judgment though.

278 Joanne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:39:29pm

re: #265 Decatur Deb

That should be easy to investigate--the number of votes cast against the signed entries in the poll's registration log.

I particularly liked that these votes are in a .CSV file because those are oh-so-secure (OH, too).

279 Eventual Carrion  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:39:33pm

re: #269 R.M, Ramallo

Too bad they can't transplant brains as well.

Maybe he was an experiment to that end. But they got the replacement brain from Abe Normal.

280 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:40:30pm

re: #279 Eventual Carrion

Maybe he was an experiment to that end. But they got the replacement brain from Abe Normal.

Abby's husband?

281 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:42:31pm

I'm amused that the thought of latinos voting inspires fevered conspiracy theories involving MS-13. Way to go, GOP.

282 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:42:37pm

Listening to C-SPAN callers will force you to abandon all hope for humanity.

283 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:43:51pm

re: #279 Eventual Carrion

Maybe he was an experiment to that end. But they got the replacement brain from Abe Normal.

Hard to trust a guy who won't look you in the eye...

284 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:43:52pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

Listening to C-SPAN callers will force you to abandon all hope for humanity.

Yeah I heard some after the second debate. It was like WND the audiobook if such a thing existed.

285 Mattand  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:47:13pm

re: #284 HappyWarrior

Yeah I heard some after the second debate. It was like WND the audiobook if such a thing existed.

Probably does, as I question the literacy levels of many a wingnut.

286 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:47:30pm

I used to watch Washington Journal every morning.
I was amazed at how each host could sit there and listen to the callers with a stone face.
That was art!

287 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:47:33pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

Listening to C-SPAN callers will force you to abandon all hope for humanity.

**crossing it off my to do list**

288 Skip Intro  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:49:00pm

re: #259 Gus

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Derp.

That Norquist quote doesn't make any sense at all, at least not to me.

289 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:49:34pm

re: #223 makeitstop

This just in: I just read a post on a wingnut's FB page claiming that the notorious South American gang MS13 will be out in every state of the Lower 48, intimidating people out of voting for Romney.

By tomorrow, their 'news reports will likely contain aliens.

Anybody know where this MS13 rumor started? Seen it anywhere else?

Don't know. My tea party source told me about it today, citing his cousin in McAllen as the source. He did not elaborate on how the cousin knows MS13's plans.

290 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:50:39pm

The Derp is strong with this one...

Question:

Why did Republicans think Purple Ink was good enough to vote in Iraq but in America they want 3 forms of ID?

Best Answer:

Iraq doesn't have Several Million Dead Democrats Voting, uneducated one.

Iraq doesn't have Illegal Immigrants Voting.

Iraq doesn't have ACORN.

Iraq doesn't have Fake Ballots.

Iraq doesn't have Black Panthers with clubs at Voting Stations.

Get a little Education, honey. Get informed, eh? And get a Job, too.

291 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:51:24pm

re: #290 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

The Derp is strong with this one...

Question:

Best Answer:

Very.

292 Mattand  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:51:41pm

re: #282 Charles Johnson

Listening to C-SPAN callers will force you to abandon all hope for humanity.

Care to share examples, or is it too depressing?

293 funky chicken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:52:19pm

re: #259 Gus

[Embedded content]

Derp.

Uh. ? Now they oppose organ transplantation programs? How about blood donation? I'm sure he thought that was hilarious, and some of his drooling sycophants will also, but ... logic, humor, presentation fail.

294 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:52:22pm

re: #289 Shiplord Kirel

Don't know. My tea party source told me about it today, citing his cousin in McAllen as the source. He did not elaborate on how the cousin knows MS13's plans.

I figure it has to come from the 'SEAL THE BORDER NOW' crowd. They're more familiar with MS13 than they are with the New Black Panthers. Also: fewer actual black people around to be suspicious of, compared to Latino locals.

295 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:53:49pm

They gonna blame the Triads or the Yakuza in areas with heavy Asian-American presence?

296 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:54:49pm

re: #295 HappyWarrior

They gonna blame the Triads or the Yakuza in areas with heavy Asian-American presence?

Whatever it takes.

297 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:55:06pm

re: #296 wrenchwench

Whatever it takes.

Anything goes.

298 GeneJockey  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:55:07pm

re: #295 HappyWarrior

They gonna blame the Triads or the Yakuza in areas with heavy Asian-American presence?

I'm surprised they're not going to blame the Jets and the Sharks.

299 funky chicken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:57:13pm

re: #274 AntonSirius

Game changer!

Romney got the best possible news today... the Redskins lost. Take that, unskewed polls!

Romney probably doesn't like RGIII, come to think of it. Army enlisted parents, Baptist, more of a man at 21 than Romney or his sons will ever be.

I look forward to the end of the silly Redskins Rule this Tuesday.

300 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:57:57pm

C-SPAN could have a ratings hit if they had a show with the hosts actively putting down insane conspiratorial calls:

CALLER: He has a harem of Pakistani gay men and he's going to appoint them Czars in his new Islamic Caliphate. I had a vision of Jesus on my toilet seat and he told me that Obama is the Antichrist!

HOST: Sir, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

301 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:58:21pm

re: #299 funky chicken

Romney probably doesn't like RGIII, come to think of it. Army enlisted parents, Baptist, more of a man at 21 than Romney or his sons will ever be.

I look forward to the end of the silly Redskins Rule this Tuesday.

It already technically ended in 2004.

302 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:58:59pm

re: #300 dragonath

C-SPAN could have a ratings hit if they had a show with the hosts actively putting down insane conspiratorial calls:

Okay I am not a huge Adam Sandler fan but upding for that.

303 ninja cat  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 2:28:58pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

I think so. I just got an email that we could vote absentee ballot today as well, til 5pm. So at 440 I tore out of here to get down there. I'd really wanted to vote on Tuesday but the way things are here in FL-la-la land... Anyway, the line was about 50 people or so and some guy told me earlier they'd had upwards of 200+. As we stood in line, from the talk it seemed a very pro-Democratic group.

304 ninja cat  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 2:44:46pm

re: #239 HappyWarrior

At the Clinton rally Thursday he was surrounded, of course he's a home town guy. But everyone kept asking him what he'd do next, when he'd run again thanking him for leaving the dark side. He just kept repeating he was focused on this election.

305 b_snark  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 2:45:25pm

re: #288 Skip Intro

That Norquist quote doesn't make any sense at all, at least not to me.

Gov't steals jobs from the private market.

A private market job dies, it gets transplanted to the public market.

306 Skip Intro  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 3:58:45pm

re: #305 b_sharp

Gov't steals jobs from the private market.

A private market job dies, it gets transplanted to the public market.

Nope. That doesn't make any sense either.

307 KiTA  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 5:49:34pm

re: #306 Skip Intro

Nope. That doesn't make any sense either.

It only makes sense if you believe the job market is a complete zero sum game. It's obviously not, unless you are living in a bubble.

308 KiTA  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 5:54:06pm

re: #290 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

The Derp is strong with this one...

Question:

Best Answer:

Anyone with a yahoo account should thumbs down that answer, and report the wingnut ("Why? CUZ ACORN!!!!11!!1one") for insulting the questioner.

309 labman57  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:27:05pm

Once again, tea partiers and other Republicans are not even attempting to hide their contempt for the democratic process. In true Machiavellian fashion, they have displayed a willingness to take an ideological dump on the U.S. Constitution in order to further their political agenda.


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