Why I’m Voting for President Obama

Five years later, much has changed
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I’m voting for President Obama because I trust him to do the right thing, and even on the issues where we don’t agree I know that he will make his choices based on principles and what he sees as best for our country as a whole rather than based on political expediency or the dictates of narrow interests. I have confidence in him as President and I know that he’s principled because I’ve watched him in action first as a candidate and then as our president for five years now.

When this started out I was not a Barack Obama fan - instead I was one of the many here at this site writing posts against him and campaigning for his opponents (that included Clinton, Guiliani, Romney, and McCain at various points as the long primary season wound into the national election). I was against him as president and was pretty firmly seated in the “anyone but Obama” camp because I still believed all the far right bumper stickers about him, and even took part in some of the attempts to slime him with Reverend Wright and other things.

Even after he was elected I was still heavily criticizing him regarding jobs and the economy all the way into 2010, but over time he slowly turned all of those negatives around. He demonstrated his leadership time and again, and took a lot of heat not only from the right, but also from many of the progressives in his own party to work through issues with a highly recalcitrant Congress. Under his guidance I watched as multiple branches of our Federal Government became more open, more effective, and more efficient.

At the same time I watched the right become bitter and hardened, witch hunting not only our new president but also anyone in their own party who didn’t kow-tow to their hard right litany at every other step. The cracked pots were let in the back door, and I ran out the front, at first to become an independent, and then a year later a registered Democrat.

Meanwhile, President Obama took the fight directly to the specific terrorist organizations who were attacking us and destabilizing the subcontinent of Asia and the Middle East. He quickly got results, using a combination of drone warfare, sanctions, agreements and diplomacy to further US interests and missions.

He didn’t care if the terrorists were hiding in Yemen and Pakistan and being sheltered by factions of those country’s military. He went after them anyway, just as he had promised in his campaign; he took out leader after leader until we got Osama Bin Laden hiding in Abottobad, Pakistan. Both Romney and McCain had roundly criticized him for saying he would go into Pakistan during the campaign, but he persisted until justice was done.

I’ve watched our President in action, turning the country around, doing what was required to save the auto industry, putting the country back to work with construction projects across the nation when we needed it most, and I’ve seen him persevere while the rabid right did everything in their power to cause him and our country to fail. I’ve seen him smile and still try to deal with Republican congressmen even as one of them called him a liar during an address to a joint session of Congress.

That joint session was for his landmark health care initiative, and I’m glad it passed. Now all of my nieces and nephews have a chance to stay on their parents health insurance as they go into those starter jobs. Now my pacemaker isn’t a pre-existing condition hurdle to changing insurance if I want to.

It’s now five years later, and I’m a big supporterIt was that kind of bile and the over the top charges like “Death panels” at that joint session and Barack’s persistent work against our real foes overseas that made me reconsider the propaganda I’d been fed, and made me dig deeper into the issues. At most junctures I found myself deciding that our president was right, and his opponents were absolutely crazed, as I dug into the facts of each issue.

I found that we agree on most issues regarding climate, social issues like gay marriage, and women’s rights. I fully support the regulations on Wall Street — we can’t afford vulture and wild West capitalism of the sort his opponent wants.

It’s now five years later, and I’m a big supporter. I honestly don’t think there is anyone out there who can do a better job as President for the next four years. Instead, I firmly believe that putting anyone else into office would seriously jeopardize the slow but steady recovery that we are in.

That’s why our President, Barack Obama, not only has my complete confidence and trust as president, but also my vote for the next four years.

Obama: “You Know I Tell the Truth”

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772 comments
1 sagehen  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 1:45:23pm

(pssst... add something about Libya. The total cost of our involvement in their war was less than 1 week of what we did in Iraq; and resulted in an oil-rich Arab/Muslim country who loves us so much that tens of thousands will turn out for pro-America demonstrations, and kick the asses of terrorists who dared to harm us.)

2 Randall Gross  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 2:32:08pm

re: #1 sagehen

(pssst... add something about Libya. The total cost of our involvement in their war was less than 1 week of what we did in Iraq; and resulted in an oil-rich Arab/Muslim country who loves us so much that tens of thousands will turn out for pro-America demonstrations, and kick the asses of terrorists who dared to harm us.)

The reality is there are hundreds of accomplishments to add, I picked the ones that started my change. I invite everyone to add to the list above while we are at it, what things convinced you to vote for Obama?

3 nines09  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 4:44:13pm

re: #2 Randall Gross

The reality is there are hundreds of accomplishments to add, I picked the ones that started my change. I invite everyone to add to the list above while we are at it, what things convinced you to vote for Obama?

Reality and facts. My vote is not only for Obama Biden, but a straight Democratic ticket. I have had my fill. No more will I vote for a party that not only lies, but then spends millions on repeating the lie on lie on lie. They spend, we pay.

4 Achilles Tang  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:04:38pm

Me too. I was guilty and naive 4 years ago, and I still find it embarrassing to think how simplistically I thought then. All I can say is that I must be a late bloomer. Better late than never I guess.

5 b_snark  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:05:11pm

How did you do that little inset with the enlarged text? Is it a graphic?

6 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:05:26pm

Why I am voting for President Obama:

Auto industry.

7 jaunte  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:05:51pm

re: #4 Achilles Tang

Me too. I was guilty and naive 4 years ago, and I still find it embarrassing to think how simplistically I thought then. All I can say is that I must be a late bloomer. Better late than never I guess.

You're definitely not alone.

8 blueraven  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:06:39pm

It is simple for me. Number one... I Trust the President.
I like Obamacare and I think his way is the better way on the economy.
I trust him to keep us safe, and out of unnecessary wars.

On social issues, the other party is just plain nuts.

9 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:06:39pm

I'm voting for Obama because he's calm and thoughtful but yet decisive, appears to be trying to do his best for all the people of this country, and has achieved a surprising amount in the face of rabid opposition from the Republicans. Also because I'm an aging white guy and somebody has to uphold the honor of my demographic.

10 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:06:44pm

re: #2 Randall Gross

The reality is there are hundreds of accomplishments to add, I picked the ones that started my change. I invite everyone to add to the list above while we are at it, what things convinced you to vote for Obama?

Basically, the fact that he didn't turn out to be a sooper-sekrit socialist Muslim bent on destroying America. Four years ago, I was still firmly in the right wing and had no plans to change, but the right wing changed on me, and I had to part ways with them. After that, with my eyes opened, I saw that Obama wasn't even trying to destroy the country - he was trying to save it. The Republicans were trying to destroy it.

11 b_snark  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:06:47pm

Sorry guys, but I just can't bring myself to vote for Obama this time.

12 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:08:30pm

re: #11 b_sharp

Sorry guys, but I just can't bring myself to vote for Obama this time.

Takes a lot of preparation for some people.

13 jamesfirecat  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:09:13pm

I'm voting for Obama because among many other things (Osama, Detroit, ending DADT) it's thanks to him that I'm back on my parrent's healthcare plan instead of needing to worry about getting one of my own which give me the freedom to work at a start up which can not afford such things at the moment.

14 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:10:36pm

re: #11 b_sharp

Sorry guys, but I just can't bring myself to vote for Obama this time.

So, are you voting at all or sitting it out, if you don't mind me asking?

15 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:11:11pm

I'm voting for him because of his spearheading the initiative to install behavior modification chips in all Chri...oh, shit, we're not supposed to talk about this until next week. Uh, Don't Ask Don't tell, that's why I'm voting for Obama. Yeah, that's the ticket.

16 b_snark  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:11:26pm

re: #14 MittDoesNotCompute

So, are you voting at all or sitting it out, if you don't mind me asking?

I'm pretty sure they won't let me vote.

17 Achilles Tang  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:11:37pm

re: #11 b_sharp

Sorry guys, but I just can't bring myself to vote for Obama this time.

Maybe next time?

18 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:11:41pm

PPP's final polls of battleground states, 2008:

Florida: 50-48 (51-48)
Ohio: 50-48 (51.5-47)
Virginia: 52-46 (52.6-46.3)
North Carolina: 50-49 (49.7-49.3)
Indiana: 49-48 (50-49)
Nevada: 51-47 (55-42)
Colorado: 54-44 (53.6-47.7)

19 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:11:46pm

re: #11 b_sharp

Sorry guys, but I just can't bring myself to vote for Obama this time.

Aren't you Canadian?

20 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:11:57pm

re: #12 wrenchwench

Takes a lot of preparation for some people.

A lot of people are gonna need Preparation H if Mitt wins, because he will screw us all of us (who aren't his buddies) in the ass.

21 b_snark  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:12:14pm

re: #17 Achilles Tang

Maybe next time?

Fer sure.

22 Achilles Tang  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:12:27pm

re: #16 b_sharp

I'm pretty sure they won't let me vote.

Yeah, Florida felon laws are pretty strict.

23 b_snark  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:12:40pm

re: #19 goddamnedfrank

Aren't you Canadian?

Yup.

24 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:12:50pm

re: #16 b_sharp

I'm pretty sure they won't let me vote.

re: #19 goddamnedfrank

Aren't you Canadian?

Oh, yeah...forgot that b_sharp is in Canuckistan ;-P

25 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:13:28pm

re: #17 Achilles Tang

Maybe next time?

Think B's a furriner.

26 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:13:45pm

re: #11 b_sharp

Sorry guys, but I just can't bring myself to vote for Obama this time.

Don't worry, you can vote for him next time.

Because it'll be compulsory.

27 b_snark  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:13:48pm

re: #22 Achilles Tang

Yeah, Florida felon laws are pretty strict.

How about Montana?

28 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:13:53pm

re: #11 b_sharp

Sorry guys, but I just can't bring myself to vote for Obama this time.

Yeah he's not worth getting arrested over. LOL.

29 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:14:07pm

re: #12 wrenchwench

Takes a lot of preparation for some people.

Being a U.S. citizen also helps.

30 Big Joe Ghazi  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:14:51pm

"Sokath, his eyes uncovered."

31 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:14:51pm

re: #29 Sheila Broflovski

Being a U.S. citizen also helps.

On that topic, both of my Indian cow-orkers are dyed-in-the-wool Romney fans, for whatever reason. I'm glad they can't vote.

32 Achilles Tang  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:14:53pm

re: #25 Decatur Deb

Think B's a furriner.

Uhh, I know, and there won't be another time for Obama either.

33 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:14:54pm

re: #29 Sheila Broflovski

Being a U.S. citizen also helps.

Which takes a lot of preparation. :)

34 b_snark  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:15:31pm

re: #29 Sheila Broflovski

Being a U.S. citizen also helps.

My forged papers are almost ready.

35 Bubblehead II  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:15:36pm

As many before me have stated. I didn't leave the Republican Party. It left me. On that note, night Lizards. See you tomorrow.

May the Deity Of Your Choice Smile Down Upon You And Yours

36 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:15:39pm

re: #25 Decatur Deb

Think B's a furriner.

Not a problem. If he can't bring himself to vote, he can find someone else to bring him, say one of those voter fraud buses we've heard so much about.

37 Achilles Tang  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:16:00pm

re: #31 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

On that topic, both of my Indian cow-orkers are dyed-in-the-wool Romney fans, for whatever reason. I'm glad they can't vote.

Isn't cow orker an insult in India?

38 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:16:29pm

re: #31 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

On that topic, both of my Indian cow-orkers are dyed-in-the-wool Romney fans, for whatever reason. I'm glad they can't vote.

I've heard of cow-tipping, but how do you ork a cow?

39 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:16:53pm

re: #38 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

I've heard of cow-tipping, but how do you ork a cow?

Very Carefully (tm).

40 b_snark  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:17:00pm

re: #38 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

I've heard of cow-tipping, but how do you ork a cow?

Carefully.

41 b_snark  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:17:34pm

re: #40 b_sharp

Carefully.

7 seconds too late.

42 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:18:01pm

re: #41 b_sharp

7 seconds too late.

Fastest keyboard in the West.

43 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:18:08pm

re: #39 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Very Carefully (tm).

So it's sort of like orking a porcupine?

44 jamesfirecat  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:18:19pm

re: #38 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

I've heard of cow-tipping, but how do you ork a cow?

Listen up you gits... firt you gets yah choppa....

45 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:18:52pm

re: #38 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

I've heard of cow-tipping, but how do you ork a cow?

You get Mork to do it...

46 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:20:38pm

re: #38 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

I've heard of cow-tipping, but how do you ork a cow?

With patience and plenty of saliva.

47 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:21:38pm

re: #46 Sophist, Gingham Style (AKA Bronco Bama)

With patience and plenty of saliva.

I don't even want to know.

48 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:22:21pm

These guys on The Walking Dead suck at basic shit like routine perimeter checks.

49 b_snark  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:24:17pm

re: #48 goddamnedfrank

These guys on The Walking Dead suck at basic shit like routine perimeter checks.

No spoilers please. We have 4 episodes of the second season to watch and then the 3rd season episodes we've PVRed.

50 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:24:34pm

Kucinich

51 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:25:08pm

re: #50 Gus

Oh, you did not just start that. Do NOT make me turn this thread around.

52 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:25:53pm

re: #50 Gus

Kucinich

Benghazi

53 jaunte  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:26:45pm

Coattails!
[Link: 2012.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

54 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:27:43pm

re: #52 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Benghazi

Hurricane Sandy

Oh, wait...

55 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:28:07pm

re: #52 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

re: #54 MittDoesNotCompute

When we get home you kids are SO grounded./

56 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:29:03pm

Nice piece Randall.

57 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:29:18pm

Sometimes I think I live in the best place ever. We have this semi starving artist community thing going on. Music people, indy film makers. So anyway I go out with our resident screenwriter to see Cloud Atlas. Great movie. Really interesting filmaking. But anyway we come home and this lady is playing acoustic guitar and singing by the pool. Very nice lady, friendly. Visiting California for a bit.

58 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:29:29pm

re: #53 jaunte

Coattails!
[Link: 2012.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

Freakin' funny.

59 b_snark  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:31:56pm

re: #57 Daniel Ballard

Sometimes I think I live in the best place ever. We have this semi starving artist community thing going on. Music people, indy film makers. So anyway I go out with our resident screenwriter to see Cloud Atlas. Great movie. Really interesting filmaking. But anyway we come home and this lady is playing acoustic guitar and singing by the pool. Very nice lady, friendly. Visiting California for a bit.

Some people have all the fun.

60 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:34:13pm
I still believed all the far right bumper stickers about him, and even took part in some of the attempts to slime him with Reverend Wright and other things.

This is interesting because while I can understand why knowledgeable people wouldn't support Obama, I have a hard time understanding how any knowledgeable person could have bought into that whole Reverend Wright (and I assume pallin' around with terrorists) crap.

Anyway, glad that you have a changed perspective.

61 jaunte  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:36:30pm

Charles P. Pierce:

Florida Early-Voting Madness: Why Is This Still So Hard?

"...Elections officials, overwhelmed with voters, locked the doors to their Doral headquarters and temporarily shut down the operation, angering nearly 200 voters standing in line outside — only to resume the proceedings an hour later. On the surface, officials blamed technical equipment and a lack of staff for the shutdown. But behind the scenes, there was another issue: Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez. The Republican had never signed off on the additional in-person absentee voting hours in the first place. "That was counter to what I said on Friday, which was we were not going to change the game mid-stream," he said. "I said, ‘No, there's no way we did this.'" But Gimenez, who is in a nonpartisan post, quickly realized it was better to let the voting go on, and the voting resumed."
[Link: www.esquire.com...]

Pierce quotes Valerie Jarrett: "Why are we arguing about voting in the United States of America in 2012?"

62 jaunte  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:38:18pm
63 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:40:51pm

re: #62 jaunte

Miami Herald:
A voting debacle in Doral causes chaos and confusion

Just when the idea of international observers seemed over-the-top.

64 wrenchwench  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:41:28pm
65 Cheechako  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:41:54pm

This year’s election is a historical day both for our Country and for myself. As you are all well aware, Tuesday is election day, when the final National poll is taken to determine the direction our country will take over the next four years. The differences are immense between the two candidates. I think the LGF posters have taken a very hard and detailed look at both candidates and I appreciate the give and take in the analysis of both candidate’s positions and visions for the future of our great country. Thank you for the time and effort you have invested in this endeavor. You have certainly made my decision on whom to vote for much easier.

Now why is it a historical day for me? First of all, I’m one of those crusty, old codger WASPs. This is my 13th Presidential election in which I’ve been privileged to vote. (To save you the math, my first Presidential vote was for Barry Goldwater in 1964!). For the next 11 Presidential elections I was a true Republican and voted for the Republican candidate every time. But not this year. This year I will mark the oval on my ballot to re-elect President Obama. And sadly it was a very easy choice. My Republican Party has left me behind. I’m still a conservative but I can’t go along with the current Republican Party vision of the future. The GOP is rapidly going backwards to places I don’t want to go.

I know my vote is only symbolic here in the red State of Alaska but my conscious is clear.

Again, LGFer’s, thank you for your open and honest discussions in the forums.

Cheechako

66 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:42:07pm

re: #63 Decatur Deb

Just when the idea of international observers seemed over-the-top.

Never did to me.

67 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:45:38pm

re: #65 Cheechako

Welcome to the Republican Exile Association.

68 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:46:19pm

re: #61 jaunte

Charles P. Pierce:

Pierce quotes Valerie Jarrett: "Why are we arguing about voting in the United States of America in 2012?"

Good lord, Florida and Ohio are competing to see who can serve as a better example to the banana republics of the world.

69 Cheechako  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:48:28pm

re: #67 Daniel Ballard

Welcome to the Republican Exile Association.

Do we get pins and membership cards along with cool hats? Also some cookies.

70 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:50:33pm

re: #69 Cheechako

Do we get pins and membership cards along with cool hats? Also some cookies.

Heh. At risk of being really harsh, all we need is American flag lapel pins. Worn inverted.

71 Four More Tears  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:50:50pm

Interesting post, Randall, but why do you completely ignore Obama's bumbling of the Benghazi situation in your assessment?

/

Fast and Furious also too...

72 Four More Tears  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:52:15pm
73 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:53:56pm

re: #72 Mocking Jay

lol

74 aagcobb  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:54:30pm

re: #23 b_sharp

Yup.

Don't you know the Democrats have been busy registering Mickey Mouse and such so you can vote illegally? That's why we oppose the voter ID laws!/

75 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:56:14pm
76 efuseakay  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:56:34pm

My new video card will be here tomorrow (GTX 660... coming from a dead GTX 460)... haven't used my desktop gaming rig in like a week. Hopefully I'll be able to pass the time tomorrow without much effort. Having Borderlands 2 withdrawals. And Tuesday is dinner with the folks for their 80/70 bdays, and 49th anniversary. We all voted already, so the election is essentially over for us. They are staunch Republicans, but aren't touching Romney with a 10' pole. Neither of them. I didn't have to even talk politics with them whatsoever. My mother put it nicely: The best campaign for the re-election of President Obama is Mitt Romney.

Is it Wednesday yet? :)

77 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:57:15pm

Obama is a his core, I think, a reasonable politician. A rare breed. Remember when everybody was freaking out about Deepwater Horizon? We had a methodical hand in charge and a scientifically informed Energy Secretary.

When Hurricane Sandy hit New Jersey. We had a president who was willing to put aside partisan rancor and appoint the best qualified man for FEMA.

He has incorporated what were the best ideas of the opposition, and I think this is the crux of why he inspires such partisan hate. I sincerely believe he stands on the side of reason and logic.

78 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:58:13pm

re: #75 Lidane

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I'm going to wait for election day after every vote is counted before I consider laughing.

79 Majacita  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:58:28pm

I wonder how many of us are moderate Republicans whose party doesn't want us anymore? I can't believe in wild conspiracy theories and I think that everyone should be allowed to vote. That means I am a RINO. Except after decades of being a Republican, I am now an Independent, who really likes this President.

80 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:58:46pm

re: #76 efuseakay

I'm going to be getting one of those in a few weeks so I can start playing Planetside 2

81 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:59:33pm

So, if/when Obama wins, should I grill the friend who has been the most die-hard supporting Romney why she is a Republican?

Person in question is Catholic Female who has several pre-existing conditions. I have made insinuations, which considering her historical knowledge is about as good as my own she must realize what I was saying between the lines. It will still be a while til the wall between politics and how I treat others gets completely patched up.

The cracking of that wall 15 months ago caused the cynical mindset that came up with the ideas on the last thread.

82 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:59:35pm

Heh.

83 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 6:59:54pm

And if you're down by 4 in a poll that has a plus/minus error of 4 percent that's not exactly a solid bet.

84 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:02:58pm

re: #82 Lidane

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Heh.

85 gwangung  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:03:12pm

re: #83 Gus

And if you're down by 4 in a pol multiple pollsl that has a plus/minus error of 4 percent that's not exactly a solid bet.

Pardon me for adjusting that...

86 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:05:07pm

Looks like the no good libs have set up a twitter feed for if Obama wins

[Link: twitter.com...]

87 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:05:08pm

I know that, in the immediate aftermath of an Obama victory, there will be those who tell us we should be magnanimous in victory and should not "spike the football."

But me, personally? I say fuck that, after 4 years of misery, it's time to start rubbing salt in some wounds. Because they sure as fuck will not hold back if Romney manages to win.

88 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:07:02pm

re: #87 Targetpractice

Oh, I will be putting on my finest trolling shoes.

89 bubba zanetti  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:08:58pm

re: #88 SpaceJesus

Oh, I will be putting on my finest trolling shoes.

Would you like an extra helping of freude on your schaden?

90 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:09:05pm

I know this sounds corny, but many posters at LGF sit on the rightward edge of reason, which is sadly constrained within one party now.

Being reasonable means changing your mind when the evidence demands it.

91 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:10:48pm

Never go into battle with a poll.
-- Senator Sun Tzut of Florida

92 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:10:56pm

re: #87 Targetpractice

Ditto. Which is why I plan to find out why that particular person was supporting Romney.

And a teacher too. It is likely, as a Republican, she wants to indoctrinate those who come in her classes. If Texas is a good template for this situation, with happen has happened in the past 2 years there.

And I have made a very oblique reference since I came back in the past 2 weeks to the historical group I have mentioned to this person 2-4 times, along with a big leader in one of the main branches.

Big goal for the next year. Getting back from the near-Kemalist Social Democracy (minus hyper-nationalism) to being where I was when I first got here. Scandinavian Social Democracy.

93 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:11:16pm

re: #87 Targetpractice

Actually I think both. Spike the ball on the Tea Party guys. Work with the moderate GOP people, such as can be found. Sideline the social conservatives. Work the pragmatists.

94 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:11:38pm


NEEDS A CAPTION

95 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:12:16pm

re: #91 Gus

Never go into battle with a poll.
-- Senator Sun Tzut of Florida

Actual quote from the Art of War that fits Willard perfectly:

"What is essential in war is victory, not prolonged operations."

96 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:12:56pm

re: #90 dragonath

I know this sounds corny, but many posters at LGF sit on the rightward edge of reason, which is sadly constrained within one party now.

Being reasonable means changing your mind when the evidence demands it.

That's what kills me. We need at least two fully functioning political parties for things to work. As long as the GOP is in thrall to the bigots, the idiots, the religious fanatics, and the greedy assholes who would exploit them all to keep power, we're screwed.

We need a functional conservative party in this country for balance. Hilariously, that party right now is the Democrats, since the Republicans are off in a sovereign citizen, Ayn Rand fueled fantasy, except with more religion thrown in.

97 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:13:04pm

re: #94 Sheila Broflovski

Not enough imagination here.

You do it.

98 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:14:48pm

re: #94 Sheila Broflovski

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NEEDS A CAPTION

Which? The Tweet or the image?

99 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:15:41pm

re: #97 ProGunLiberal

Not enough imagination here.

You do it.

Mr. President, Gawker found your college transcripts showing your 4.0 GPA. Want to get Donald Trump on the line?

100 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:16:57pm

re: #93 Daniel Ballard

Actually I think both. Spike the ball on the Tea Party guys. Work with the moderate GOP people, such as can be found. Sideline the social conservatives. Work the pragmatists.

The problem is that the few moderates within the party that still have any voice either have sold themselves to the bigots in the name of keeping their seats or have been living in a state of denial for years now. To cultivate them, you first must grind the lunatics into the ground, something that cannot be accomplished by continuing to treat them as the "loyal opposition."

101 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:17:53pm

the "republican tears" twitter has been sent to the twitter gulag already :(

102 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:18:16pm

I'm not voting on Tuesday!

Ask me why.

103 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:18:34pm

re: #102 Gus

I'm not voting on Tuesday!

Ask me why.

....

Okay, why?

104 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:18:49pm

You voted early?

105 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:18:50pm

re: #102 Gus

I'm not voting on Tuesday!

Ask me why.

You unpatriotic cur!

///

106 b_snark  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:18:57pm

re: #102 Gus

I'm not voting on Tuesday!

Ask me why.

You already voted.

107 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:18:59pm

re: #102 Gus

I'm not voting on Tuesday!

Ask me why.

Uh, you already voted?

108 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:19:29pm

re: #105 Targetpractice

You unpatriotic cur!

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You win! //

109 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:20:45pm

re: #107 Sheila Broflovski

Uh, you already voted?

Yeah. Took me 10 minutes. Walked in. Showed them my photo ID (DL). Then I voted which took me 5 minutes. Then I put the ballot into the blue box.

10 minutes.

110 b_snark  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:22:38pm

re: #109 Gus

Yeah. Took me 10 minutes. Walked in. Showed them my photo ID (DL). Then I voted which took me 5 minutes. Then I put the ballot into the blue box.

10 minutes.

Did you vote for the Rhino Party?

111 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:23:09pm

re: #110 b_sharp

Did you vote for the Rhino Party?

Nah. Whigs. Straight ticket.

112 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:24:15pm

re: #111 Gus

I seriously hope that as the Republicans continue a fringeward movement, the Justice Party can rise up.

We need a Social Democratic Party.

113 efuseakay  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:24:19pm

re: #80 SpaceJesus

I'm going to be getting one of those in a few weeks so I can start playing Planetside 2

My CPU is pretty dated. Intel Q6600 quad core running at 3.2GHz. Working well for me for several years. The fans on my 460 died. Both of them. So I really didn't have much choice. The GTX 660 seemed reasonable. Found an MSI Twin Frozer (or whatever they call it) on Newegg for $20 off and a $10 rebate in the form of a Visa gift card. I just couldn't pass it up. I'll let you know how it goes. I'm hoping my CPU isn't too much of a bottleneck. I'm in no position right now to upgrade the mobo/CPU/RAM.

Here's to hoping!

114 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:24:38pm

re: #111 Gus

Nah. Whigs. Straight ticket.

ALPHA MALES

115 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:25:29pm

Damn. Talk about butthurt derangement.

IOW. If Obama loses they'll still be deranged about Obama.

116 jaunte  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:25:44pm

re: #114 dragonath

Alpha males can handle the cold, not like those wimpy children.

117 jaunte  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:27:12pm

re: #115 Gus

Another contestant for Miss Construe 2012.

118 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:28:45pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

This could be a part of the end of the GOP. Thinking endgame, what's best? Disappear the GOP and the Democrats probably split.

119 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:28:57pm

re: #117 jaunte

Another contestant for Miss Construe 2012.

Editorial Director of RedState TV. Contributing writer for RedState.com. Creative Director for RevealingPolitics.com Founder of MisterSmithMedia.com.

120 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:29:49pm

re: #115 Gus

Damn. Talk about butthurt derangement.

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IOW. If Obama loses they'll still be deranged about Obama.

Win or lose, they're still gonna keep on hating Obama. But if they win, they can then go on to claim that everything wrong that happens on Romney's watch is Obama's fault, despite spending the last four years getting angry any time Bush's name was invoked.

121 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:29:50pm
122 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:30:39pm

re: #118 Daniel Ballard

This could be a part of the end of the GOP. Thinking endgame, what's best? Disappear the GOP and the Democrats probably split.

Probably. Wouldn't be the first time in this nation's history when a political party was deemed to have outlived its usefulness and a new one replaced it. The question is, can it be salvaged or will it go the way of the Whigs?

123 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:31:34pm

Naming a website after a lame 2004 buzzword. That shows you're really hip, man.

124 jaunte  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:32:09pm
125 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:32:38pm

I love my wingnuts. They so crazy.

126 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:33:07pm

re: #109 Gus

Yeah. Took me 10 minutes. Walked in. Showed them my photo ID (DL). Then I voted which took me 5 minutes. Then I put the ballot into the blue box.

10 minutes.

Mine took about 10 minutes too. Walked in, showed my voter ID card and DL, got my little code for the voting machine, and walked to the booth. I was in and out quickly, then headed off to work.

Cast a straight Dem ballot and for any races that didn't have a Dem, I either left them blank or voted third party. I think I ended up casting ballots for two Green candidates and two Libertarians, but since they were local races those votes don't stand a chance of going anywhere. They were more protests against the GOP than anything else.

127 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:34:02pm

re: #124 jaunte

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But...but...but Romney's totally leading amongst indies! They're gonna carry him to victory!!!

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128 efuseakay  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:34:55pm

re: #118 Daniel Ballard

This could be a part of the end of the GOP. Thinking endgame, what's best? Disappear the GOP and the Democrats probably split.

Unfortunately, I think this is just the beginning of the new GOP. Heads will be exploding Tuesday night, but they lack any sense of reason. They will be convinced that they need to go even further right. The next 4 years will be full of secessionist/impeachment talk.

129 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:35:37pm

re: #128 efuseakay

The coming split between libertarians and social cons is what I think is in the works.

130 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:36:27pm

re: #122 Targetpractice

I think they will go the way of the Federalists.

Anyway, hoping the Justice will be able to then come in. The US needs to swing massively to the left.

Granted there is another idea in there which all of you will shout down, not from any partisan point, but from the point that it has only happened twice in US history.

131 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:36:29pm

re: #128 efuseakay

Unfortunately, I think this is just the beginning of the new GOP. Heads will be exploding Tuesday night, but they lack any sense of reason. They will be convinced that they need to go even further right. The next 4 years will be full of secessionist/impeachment talk.

Think that the next 4 years will be 2 years spent trying to revive the spirit of '10 (Vote Republican to spite Obama! JOBS!), while '16 will be the vain search for the fabled "true conservative."

132 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:37:21pm

re: #118 Daniel Ballard

This could be a part of the end of the GOP. Thinking endgame, what's best? Disappear the GOP and the Democrats probably split.

Best? That would be both parties splitting.

A left wing democratic socialist party ala western Europe

A center right "Democratic Party" ala present US

A center right "Republican Party" ala the US during the Eisenhower Administration

A right wing "Conservative Party" that can have all the rest so long as even they throw the Falangists under the bus :)

We're getting there. 40 years from now, most of what passes for social issues will be settled by the Boomer Die-off and the parties will go back to being economic mirrors. I pray I live long enough to see that though since I was born at the tail of the boomers/very early X, it's unlikely but that will be better for my son. Pity his generation will still have to clean up the shit piles left behind by boomers left and right.

133 Four More Tears  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:37:39pm
134 jaunte  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:37:51pm

re: #125 Gus

I love my wingnuts. They so crazy.

135 efuseakay  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:38:14pm

re: #129 SpaceJesus

The coming split between libertarians and social cons is what I think is in the works.

Aren't they already split? Social cons think they are commies.

136 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:38:51pm

re: #134 jaunte

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#whyImnotvotingforobama because he hates are freedoms and ways of life.

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137 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:39:11pm

re: #132 William Barnett-Lewis

It's always been strange to me, that the older baby boomers ended up more liberal than the younger ones. It shows up in polling data, too.

138 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:39:24pm

re: #135 efuseakay

Not that I've noticed. I've seen plenty of fiscal cons jump ship and go libertarian, but not in any way that seriously splits the GOP

139 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:39:43pm

re: #118 Daniel Ballard

This could be a part of the end of the GOP. Thinking endgame, what's best? Disappear the GOP and the Democrats probably split.

No I think the GOP has one more election cycle with the far right agenda, next time maybe even further right.

140 Four More Tears  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:40:06pm

re: #136 Gus

#whyImnotvotingforobama because he hates are freedoms and ways of life.

//

He's a Muslim! And he spent 20 years in Reverend Wright's Christian church!!

141 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:40:43pm

re: #129 SpaceJesus

The coming split between libertarians and social cons is what I think is in the works.

I really kept expecting a major schism this year, with large numbers of Republican voters tearing up their membership cards and voting Johnson. But so far, that doesn't seem to be happening, they're still shaking their pon-poms for the home team. But a loss Tuesday may be the wedge that finally splits the whole thing.

142 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:41:06pm

re: #136 Gus

#whyImnotvotingforobama because he hates are freedoms and ways of life.

//

Two words people.. Bill freakin Ayres!

143 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:42:23pm

re: #130 ProGunLiberal

To clarify, on the second one, I am referencing wanting to ability for states to allow instances for situations like Maine and West Virginia, if you get my drift.

Within reason of course.

144 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:43:07pm

re: #88 SpaceJesus

Oh, I will be putting on my finest trolling shoes.

It will be worth sacrificing another of my RaptureReady sleeper accounts just to see how worked up I can get them about Obama's re-election being a sure sign of the imminent end times. I almost feel bad because it is like shooting fish in a barrel, at least until one of the mods catch on, but sometimes you can get some great quotes to post over at FSTDT.

/evil

145 efuseakay  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:43:15pm

re: #138 SpaceJesus

Not that I've noticed. I've seen plenty of fiscal cons jump ship and go libertarian, but not in any way that seriously splits the GOP

Fiscal cons, yes. But social cons? Anyone not in lock-step with their 18th century values is teh ebil.

146 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:43:34pm

re: #144 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

re: #102 Gus

re: #88 SpaceJesus

It will be worth sacrificing another of my RaptureReady sleeper accounts just to see how worked up I can get them about Obama's re-election being a sure sign of the imminent end times. I almost feel bad because it is like shooting fish in a barrel, at least until one of the mods catch on, but sometimes you can get some great quotes to post over at FSTDT.

/evil

You had me at "RaptureReady sleeper accounts."

147 Four More Tears  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:43:36pm
148 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:44:25pm

re: #132 William Barnett-Lewis

Best? That would be both parties splitting.

A left wing democratic socialist party ala western Europe

A center right "Democratic Party" ala present US

A center right "Republican Party" ala the US during the Eisenhower Administration

A right wing "Conservative Party" that can have all the rest so long as even they throw the Falangists under the bus :)

We're getting there. 40 years from now, most of what passes for social issues will be settled by the Boomer Die-off and the parties will go back to being economic mirrors. I pray I live long enough to see that though since I was born at the tail of the boomers/very early X, it's unlikely but that will be better for my son. Pity his generation will still have to clean up the shit piles left behind by boomers left and right.

You may only have three parties there. Today's Democratic Party isn't far from where Eisenhower's Republican Party was, except possibly for issues that didn't loom large back then, like gay rights and abortion. Don't forget that it was Nixon who established the EPA and even instituted wage and price controls, which even the most liberal Democrat wouldn't consider today. And pro-choice Republicans used to be reasonably common.

149 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:45:49pm
150 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:46:55pm

re: #148 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

You may only have three parties there. Today's Democratic Party isn't far from where Eisenhower's Republican Party was, except possibly for issues that didn't loom large back then, like gay rights and abortion. Don't forget that it was Nixon who established the EPA and even instituted wage and price controls, which even the most liberal Democrat wouldn't consider today. And pro-choice Republicans used to be reasonably common.

Nixon proposed a sweeping National Health Care program in 1971 for the same reasons Obama and the Democrats presented.

151 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:47:27pm
152 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:48:10pm

re: #139 Mich-again

That would not surprise me at all. These things have inertia. Vast corporate inertia.

153 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:48:25pm

re: #149 Lidane

Isn't the artist Mormon?

154 Four More Tears  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:48:40pm
155 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:49:00pm

re: #154 Mocking Jay

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Derp.

156 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:49:12pm

re: #149 Lidane

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That's pretty much true of any McNaughton painting.

157 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:49:36pm

re: #149 Lidane

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Egads....

158 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:49:39pm
159 Four More Tears  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:50:18pm

re: #158 Gus

I've already seen that a hundred times. Definitely deserves a hundred and one.

160 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:50:49pm

re: #154 Mocking Jay

The stupid leading the blind. ROFL.

Another great thing about an Obama victory -- the end of Dick Morris as a political pundit. He's been consistently wrong this entire election cycle and seeing whatever RWNJ credibility he has destroyed would be a bonus to a second Obama term.

161 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:50:53pm

re: #154 Mocking Jay

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Woah, does Rush know that Dick Morris is raiding his pill drawer.

162 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:50:56pm

Politico has spoken, Obama has a mandate from the "wrong" people:

Lessons learned from 2012

Democrats have a liberal problem

If President Barack Obama wins, he will be the popular choice of Hispanics, African-Americans, single women and highly educated urban whites. That’s what the polling has consistently shown in the final days of the campaign. It looks more likely than not that he will lose independents, and it’s possible he will get a lower percentage of white voters than George W. Bush got of Hispanic voters in 2000.

A broad mandate this is not.

163 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:50:57pm

re: #148 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

So, basically the Justice Party (or its equivalent) as the Social Democratic Party, the Democratic Party becomes the equivalent of the Centrist Party, and the Republicans become the Falange. Libertarians could appear in there as the American equivalent of the D66.

164 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:52:02pm

re: #160 Lidane

The stupid leading the blind. ROFL.

Another great thing about an Obama victory -- the end of Dick Morris as a political pundit. He's been consistently wrong this entire election cycle and seeing whatever RWNJ credibility he has destroyed would be a bonus to a second Obama term.

No worries, Morris will have an excuse lined up by Wednesday.

165 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:52:34pm

re: #162 Targetpractice

Politico has spoken, Obama has a mandate from the "wrong" people:

Lessons learned from 2012

Wow. Creepy.

166 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:52:38pm

re: #143 ProGunLiberal

To clarify, on the second one, I am referencing wanting to ability for states to allow instances for situations like Maine and West Virginia, if you get my drift.

Within reason of course.

I see where you're going but that kind of thing will only make matters worse by intensifying our already bad tendency to split into cliques. Giving every two bit group of yahoos two senators is a recipe for disaster in my eyes.

167 jaunte  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:53:01pm

re: #154 Mocking Jay

In a June 6, 2005, article in The Hill, Morris called [Westchester County District Attorney Jeanine] Pirro "Hillary's worst nightmare," asserted that "Clinton is especially vulnerable to Pirro," and predicted Clinton would "drop out of race if Pirro comes on strong"
[Link: mediamatters.org...]

And then there was:
Condi vs. Hillary: The Next Great Presidential Race
Author, Dick Morris. Hardback price .01¢
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

168 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:53:01pm

re: #153 SpaceJesus

Isn't the artist Mormon?

Yep.

169 efuseakay  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:54:00pm

re: #154 Mocking Jay

It's is how they are CYA. Get the loyal minions expecting a huge win for Romney. When he doesn't get it? VOTER FRAUD!!!!!!!!#%#^{*##+}+^]%]%%}^%*%+%=%^+#}

170 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:54:14pm

re: #129 SpaceJesus

The coming split between libertarians and social cons is what I think is in the works.

Hopefully the so-cons will go into hiding until Tim Tebow turns 35.

171 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:54:20pm

re: #168 Page 3 in the Binder of Women

So his church didn't believe Blacks were even really human until the 1970s. Ok.

172 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:54:30pm

re: #165 Gus

Wow. Creepy.

The rest of the section goes on to bemoan the plight of Blue Dog Dems and how their ranks have thinned.

Really, the MBF should sue for higher wages after Tuesday.

173 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:54:35pm

re: #162 Targetpractice

Politico has spoken, Obama has a mandate from the "wrong" people:

Lessons learned from 2012

Obama would have benefited from the support of uneducated white voters, but unfortunately Romney has them sewn up.

174 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:56:16pm

re: #162 Targetpractice

A broad mandate this is not.

bbbut, it just said that Obama was the popular choice of single women?

175 Stanghazi  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:56:19pm

re: #171 SpaceJesus

So his church didn't believe Blacks were even really human until the 1970s. Ok.

Exactly.

176 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:56:25pm

re: #154 Mocking Jay

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Yeah Dim Jim, let's pay attention to the hack but ignore the guys who actually focus on statistics and past history. Oh wait, that's not the right wing way.

177 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:56:39pm

re: #170 Mich-again

Hopefully the so-cons will go into hiding until Tim Tebow turns 35.

Now I'm going to have bad dreams all night.

178 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:58:05pm

re: #170 Mich-again

Hopefully the so-cons will go into hiding until Tim Tebow turns 35.

Gah. I'm so happy that Tebow is no longer with the Broncos. Heard enough about his sideshow.

179 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 7:59:34pm

re: #166 William Barnett-Lewis

I see your point, but DNY and UNY have been at each others throats for who knows how long.

A procedure would look like this. A secession proposal would go up for an area in question. 10-20% of the proposed areas registered voters would have to sign it.

Then it would go to an election on the usual day. The proposal would have to get 60-66% of the vote to be approved. This would put it out of the reach of all but the most exceptional circumstances. But it would be there if needed.

180 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:00:07pm

re: #178 Gus

I am waiting for the inevitable scandal of some sort.

181 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:02:06pm
182 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:02:55pm

Dufus.

183 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:03:31pm

re: #179 ProGunLiberal

Ah man, why are you still pushing this?

184 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:04:57pm

re: #177 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Now I'm going to have bad dreams all night.

Don't worry. The way his career is going he'll have the calvinists all convinced he's destined for hell with the rest of us heathens... ///only 1/4...

185 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:05:03pm

re: #182 Gus

Dufus.

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His hurricane Sandy response that was so bad that the keynote speaker of the RNC praised it.

186 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:05:03pm
187 boxhead  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:05:24pm

Mr Gross.... I wish I could distill your article and inject into so many of my friends and family that have become afflicted by the same (insert your own word here). But alas, much like addiction, the sufferer must reach bottom before they are willing to realize there is another way. I went through your same path during the 2000 election. I went from a GOP/Indy to voting Dem for the first time mainly because of the vile tactics by Rove. I would not abide by such actions.

here is to hoping sanity will rule the day.

188 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:06:10pm

re: #183 dragonath

Not for partisan purposes. For example, what if, say, Eastern Washington is fed up with Western Washington.

It is a high bar, but I think not impossible, if unnecessary.

NY was just used because I am under the impression that the tensions of such a sort are the worst there.

189 jaunte  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:06:33pm

Power of the vote magnified for N. Harris couple

Imagine you had the power to levy taxes and authorize $58 million in spending – just you and your spouse.
........
This Tuesday, Northampton MUD in the Spring area will ask voters Griff and Laura Carnes, both 29, to authorize $58 million in bonds that will be used to reimburse developers for building utilities and roads on about 400 acres east of Gosling Road. The Carneses' voter registrations and driver's licenses reflect their new address - a lackluster trailer parked in a dusty clearing - but their voter cards on file at the county still list their mailing addresses at their home in Houston.

190 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:06:49pm

re: #162 Targetpractice

Politico has spoken, Obama has a mandate from the "wrong" people:

Lessons learned from 2012

They also lament the loss of so many "blue dogs" from the democratic caucus and insinuate that this shows that the party is shifting far left. These people have some real issues with reality don't they?

And if Obama wins, he will be dealing with a House Democratic Caucus more liberal than he is. The past four years have decimated the once-strong bloc of conservative Southern Democrats, leaving behind a caucus more liberal than ever. By POLITICO’s count, there will most likely be roughly 14 conservative “Blue Dog” Democrats in the next Congress, down from 50-plus only a few years ago.

191 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:06:57pm

I admit, I don't like Tebow but it's really not Tebow per say but his annoying fans that want us to love him because he's a Christian and they act like he's the only religiously devout person in sports. I also thought it was silly to give him all the credit for the Broncos surprise success last year. When you have a top D and a top running game, they deserve credit too. He's a better pro than I thought he would be but he's still overrated.

192 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:07:13pm

re: #186 Gus

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Skewed polls! Statistics is of teh debil! Math is evil!

Why does Nate Silver hate America?

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193 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:08:33pm

re: #186 Gus

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But Nate Silver never looked a prostitute's feet therefore he doesn't have the foot fetish to be a good poll analyzer.

194 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:08:51pm
195 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:09:00pm

re: #82 Lidane

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Heh.

In fairness to the President, he knows he can't move his hips too much because he will be accused of trying to seduce white wimminz.

196 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:10:07pm

re: #162 Targetpractice

Politico has spoken, Obama has a mandate from the "wrong" people:

Lessons learned from 2012

If you aren't a white male voter you are only worth 3/5 of a vote.

197 bratwurst  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:10:19pm

re: #186 Gus

In the unlikely event Romney wins, Silver will be finished. However, Dick Morris has no such worries. When he is eventually shown to be all wet, he will continue to get airtime in all the same places.

198 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:10:28pm

re: #162 Targetpractice

Politico has spoken, Obama has a mandate from the "wrong" people:

Lessons learned from 2012

As Kos himself pointed out earlier today, what Politico is saying is that only white males can bestow "mandates".

199 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:10:38pm

re: #194 Lidane

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Yeah that's waaaaaaay too optimistic. I'm not sure I'd even be ready to predict that if Santorum were the nominee.

200 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:12:17pm

re: #188 ProGunLiberal

Here's a better idea. Instead of coming up with unworkable schemes, focus on the arbitrary limit of house representatives that was instituted in the 1910s rather than empowering every provincial clown in America to screw up the Senate.

201 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:12:20pm

re: #197 bratwurst

In the unlikely event Romney wins, Silver will be finished. However, Dick Morris has no such worries. When he is eventually shown to be all wet, he will continue to get airtime in all the same places.

I've got my prediction and Obama's going to win on Tuesday. :D

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202 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:12:35pm
203 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:12:44pm

re: #5 b_sharp

How did you do that little inset with the enlarged text? Is it a graphic?

It's easy - just use the <q> tag.

This is what it looks like in the post above:

<q>It's now five years later, and I'm a big supporter</q>It was that kind of bile and the over the top charges like "Death panels" at that joint session and Barack's persistent work against our real foes overseas

204 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:13:04pm

I'll post my prediction either Monday or Tuesday but I'm thinking Obama with around 290-300 EVs and 50-51% of the vote.

205 Ming  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:13:13pm

One of the major emotional reasons I'll vote for Obama is that the campaign against him, which has gone on for his entire term and is presently building to a final crescendo, has been so thoroughly negative. The unrelenting 24/7 Obama-bashing from Fox News. Lie after outright lie from Mitt Romney. An all-but-explicit push to tamper with the voting process itself in the swing states, which is completely serious and which may work.

I strongly feel that it would be devastating for our nation if this negativity succeeds, and Obama loses. History will record, "this is how America treated Barack Obama, a good and decent man, who happened to be of mixed race." If these negative tactics succeed, and Romney becomes president, I'll never feel quite the same way about my country again.

206 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:13:49pm

re: #191 HappyWarrior

I admit, I don't like Tebow but it's really not Tebow per say but his annoying fans that want us to love him because he's a Christian and they act like he's the only religiously devout person in sports. I also thought it was silly to give him all the credit for the Broncos surprise success last year. When you have a top D and a top running game, they deserve credit too. He's a better pro than I thought he would be but he's still overrated.

Folks here in Wisconsin got that way, once upon a time, when Reggie White pulled up stakes and came here as a free agent. Just as silly a reaction over just as human a man.

207 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:15:25pm

re: #200 dragonath


That's true. Repeal the artificial limit, and put some sort of Citizen's per congressman, with a degree of error.

Still, I think having smaller (in population) states wouldn't be a bad thing.

208 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:16:59pm
209 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:17:30pm

re: #205 Ming

The racist right has spent over 4 years trying to delegitimize Barack Hussein Obama as (1) President, (2) an American, and (3) as a man.

The only equivalent mass of character assassination I can think of which compares (for a President) is how Lincoln was treated by Confederates and those still loyal to them.

I believe the attack on Obama has been more intense, more vicious, and widespread than the previous attacks on GWB, Clinton, Reagan, Nixon, JFK, or FDR, all of which had attack machines pointed at them (occasionally for very good reasons.)

210 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:17:55pm

re: #208 Lidane

With a claim like that, you better the hell have some proof.

211 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:18:42pm

re: #202 Lidane

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You misspelled "bullshit".

212 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:18:44pm

re: #208 Lidane

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Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase, who wants a poll dance?

213 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:19:26pm

I've got your proof right here:

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214 boxhead  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:19:41pm

re: #207 ProGunLiberal

That's true. Repeal the artificial limit, and put some sort of Citizen's per congressman, with a degree of error.

Still, I think having smaller (in population) states wouldn't be a bad thing.

Changing States does seem logical, but we are approaching the Stateism of our States as the Euro zone is of their Countries.

215 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:22:02pm

re: #208 Lidane

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So they admit that Gallup was a partisan poller right from the very start!!!

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216 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:22:05pm

Zombie CL

217 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:22:10pm

re: #206 William Barnett-Lewis

Folks here in Wisconsin got that way, once upon a time, when Reggie White pulled up stakes and came here as a free agent. Just as silly a reaction over just as human a man.

I'm a big Polamalu fan myself. Guy shows you can be a player who has religious faith and not turn that into your whole identity. He's a devout Eastern Orthodox church member. Lot of people don't know that though because he doesn't use his faith to put people down like White did with gays or to be his whole identity with Tebow.

218 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:22:27pm

re: #216 CuriousLurker

Zombie CL

Boo! Hey you.

219 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:22:36pm

And here we have the last minute money shot:

Ryan says Obama's policies threaten 'Judeo-Christian' values

In a last-minute call to rally religious conservatives to vote, Republican vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan said Sunday night that President Obama is taking the country down a path that threatens the "Judeo-Christian" values upon which the country was founded.

220 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:22:37pm

re: #216 CuriousLurker

Zombie CL

Hey, glad you're okay. Everyone was worried sick.

221 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:22:46pm

re: #216 CuriousLurker

Zombie CL

Hey Lady!

222 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:23:18pm

Obama is not only coming after your guns, but he's coming after you Jezusss too.

223 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:23:31pm

re: #219 freetoken

And here we have the last minute money shot:

Ryan says Obama's policies threaten 'Judeo-Christian' values

Ayn Rand fan boy says wut? And yeah Paul Ryan is only concerned about fiscal issues. Keep on telling us that delusional conservatives who call themselves libertarians.

224 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:23:31pm

ZOMG, 5.5 days without electricity. Even worse, no political fix this close to an election!

As of 55 minutes ago we have light, heat, and will soon have hot water again! *happy dance*

225 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:23:48pm

re: #216 CuriousLurker

Zombie CL

Shoot it in the head!

///

Glad to see ya back.

226 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:23:49pm

re: #216 CuriousLurker

CL!!!!!

:HUG!:

227 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:24:22pm

{{{Group hug}}} Man, I missed you guys!

228 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:24:26pm

Yay CL!!

229 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:25:07pm

re: #219 freetoken

And here we have the last minute money shot:

Ryan says Obama's policies threaten 'Judeo-Christian' values

And now for his last trick, Obama is going to kill God.

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230 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:25:17pm

re: #224 CuriousLurker

ZOMG, 5.5 days without electricity. Even worse, no political fix this close to an election!

As of 55 minutes ago we have light, heat, and will soon have hot water again! *happy dance*

I thought that was the case. Half of Essex County was out of power. Sometimes on some days they had more people lose power. My folks are out and using a propane heater and batteries. Jersey's a mess. Good to see ya' again. :)

231 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:25:17pm

re: #224 CuriousLurker

ZOMG, 5.5 days without electricity. Even worse, no political fix this close to an election!

As of 55 minutes ago we have light, heat, and will soon have hot water again! *happy dance*

See, under Obama we've become a third world nation, without even electricity.

Isn't this proof that he wants to destroy America?

232 calochortus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:25:35pm

re: #224 CuriousLurker

Good to see you back.

233 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:25:59pm

re: #222 freetoken

Obama is not only coming after your guns, but he's coming after you Jezusss too.

Better cling to them then.

234 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:26:04pm

re: #224 CuriousLurker

ZOMG, 5.5 days without electricity. Even worse, no political fix this close to an election!

As of 55 minutes ago we have light, heat, and will soon have hot water again! *happy dance*

Hooray! Glad you're back! We were worried around here.

As long as everyone is safe, the rest is details, but now you get to watch the election with the rest of us. :)

235 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:26:39pm

re: #224 CuriousLurker

ZOMG, 5.5 days without electricity. Even worse, no political fix this close to an election!

As of 55 minutes ago we have light, heat, and will soon have hot water again! *happy dance*

5.5 days? I get the shakes if I'm 5 hours without power. Hell, I barely managed to make it through 2 days without internet, let alone power.

Feel like I should hold a benefit concert now for ya./

236 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:26:42pm

re: #231 freetoken

See, under Obama we've become a third world nation, without even electricity.

Isn't this proof that he wants to destroy America?

Makes sense. For the eventual Gay-Atheist-Climate Change-Muslim-Calaphite overthrow of the Murican way of life. They do hate are Freedoms.

237 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:27:20pm

re: #218 Gus

re: #220 HappyWarrior

re: #221 goddamnedfrank

re: #225 Targetpractice

re: #226 ProGunLiberal

re: #228 dragonath

re: #231 freetoken

re: #232 calochortus

re: #234 Lidane

Thanks everyone! You have NO IDEA how much I missed you guys. I'd hear stuff on the radio and wonder what you guys were saying. ;)

238 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:28:53pm

re: #237 CuriousLurker

Well Hello there!

239 boxhead  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:30:07pm

re: #236 Gus

Makes sense. For the eventual Gay-Atheist-Climate Change-Muslim-Calaphite overthrow of the Murican way of life. They do hate are Freedoms.

You should make that a T-Shirt... LOL wassup Gus? hope all is grooving

240 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:30:22pm

re: #224 CuriousLurker

ZOMG, 5.5 days without electricity. Even worse, no political fix this close to an election!

As of 55 minutes ago we have light, heat, and will soon have hot water again! *happy dance*

'bout fookin' time you showed up! You should have swam across the Hudson and found a way to contact us lizards to let us know yew were ok!!!!!

{{{CL}}}

241 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:30:39pm

re: #237 CuriousLurker

re: #220 HappyWarrior

re: #221 goddamnedfrank

re: #225 Targetpractice

re: #226 ProGunLiberal

re: #228 dragonath

re: #231 freetoken

re: #232 calochortus

re: #234 Lidane

Thanks everyone! You have NO IDEA how much I missed you guys. I'd hear stuff on the radio and wonder what you guys were saying. ;)

The usual witty and literate repartee. Like the Algonquin Roundtable, but with swears and lolcats.

242 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:30:41pm

re: #235 Targetpractice

5.5 days? I get the shakes if I'm 5 hours without power. Hell, I barely managed to make it through 2 days without internet, let alone power.

Feel like I should hold a benefit concert now for ya./

LOL

It was NOT fun. There's a nor'easter due in in soon, so just in time. Sheesh. I hope they get everyone else squared away.

re: #234 Lidane

Hooray! Glad you're back! We were worried around here.

As long as everyone is safe, the rest is details, but now you get to watch the election with the rest of us. :)

I was gonna be super Pissed if I had to listen to the election on the radio!

243 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:30:53pm

re: #219 freetoken

And here we have the last minute money shot:

Ryan says Obama's policies threaten 'Judeo-Christian' values

The "Judeo" part of that is of course that the Christians need Jews to remain in Jerusalum until God's plan can kill all of them except for the 144,000 who have converted as witnesses for Christ. The end times simply cannot happen without them being there!

244 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:31:45pm

re: #241 Sophist, Gingham Style (AKA Bronco Bama)

The usual witty and literate repartee. Like the Algonquin Roundtable, but with swears and lolcats.

And snarky YouTube links. And random geek references.

245 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:32:10pm

re: #238 Daniel Ballard

Well Hello there!

Hiya! ;o)

re: #240 William Barnett-Lewis

'bout fookin' time you showed up! You should have swam across the Hudson and found a way to contact us lizards to let us know yew were ok!!!!!

{{{CL}}}

{{{WBL}}} Back at'cha!

246 geoduck  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:32:35pm

re: #188 ProGunLiberal

Not for partisan purposes. For example, what if, say, Eastern Washington is fed up with Western Washington.

Eastern Washington IS fed up with Western Washington. But they'll never do anything more than bitch and send knuckledraggers to the state capitol, because they need the Seattle-based tax revenue to keep their infrastructure from completely crumbling; they simply don't have the population density to maintain it themselves.

247 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:33:09pm

re: #240 William Barnett-Lewis

'bout fookin' time you showed up! You should have swam across the Hudson and found a way to contact us lizards to let us know yew were ok!!!!!

{{{CL}}}

Now I've got this image of CL in a boat, ala Washington Crossing the Delaware, screaming "Row faster, I need to know what Nate Silver is saying!"

//

248 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:34:24pm

re: #230 Gus

I thought that was the case. Half of Essex County was out of power. Sometimes on some days they had more people lose power. My folks are out and using a propane heater and batteries. Jersey's a mess. Good to see ya' again. :)

Sorry to hear that. Good thing they have propane. Hope they get pwr back soon. Jersey is sooooo screwed.

Good to see you too. ;)

249 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:34:50pm

re: #247 Targetpractice

LOL

250 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:34:54pm

re: #246 geoduck

Eastern Washington IS fed up with Western Washington. But they'll never do anything more than bitch and send knuckledraggers to the state capitol, because they need the Seattle-based tax revenue to keep their infrastructure from completely crumbling; they simply don't have the population density to maintain it themselves.

Sort of like the West Texas rednecks whining about all those city dwelling libruls in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio and Austin.

251 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:36:45pm

re: #250 Lidane

Sort of like the West Texas rednecks whining about all those city dwelling libruls in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio and Austin.

Northern Virgnia is like this too. Those downstate bitch us about us big government liberals here in NOVA but they need us.

252 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:37:37pm

re: #248 CuriousLurker

Sorry to hear that. Good thing they have propane. Hope they get pwr back soon. Jersey is sooooo screwed.

Good to see you too. ;)

My brother in Lawrenceville set them up. The Jersey Shore got whacked pretty good. Power is still coming back up in a lot of places.

253 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:39:37pm

It's good to have some complaining folks upstate. It keeps things cohesive. As much as Freaky Fred complains about that guy in charge, he is still his senator/governor/president. Balkanization screws with that. Nothing would get done otherwise.

254 jaunte  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:39:45pm

re: #250 Lidane

Sort of like the West Texas rednecks whining about all those city dwelling libruls in Houston, Dallas, San Antonio and Austin.

It must happen in California too:
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(from a recent road trip)

255 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:40:17pm

re: #251 HappyWarrior

Northern Virgnia is like this too. Those downstate bitch us about us big government liberals here in NOVA but they need us.

Yeah, I hear a lot of bitching down here about the Feds and about "states rights," but watch that quickly melt away when somebody starts talking defense cuts.

256 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:42:21pm

re: #255 Targetpractice

Yeah, I hear a lot of bitching down here about the Feds and about "states rights," but watch that quickly melt away when somebody starts talking defense cuts.

Which is why we've been seeing ads attacking Kaine and Obama both as big spenders but at the same time accusing both guys as supporting massive defense cuts which just isn't true. They support smart defensive cuts. The Kaine education is the weirdest one though. Kaine's accused of cutting millions from education but also of being a big spender.

257 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:42:45pm

re: #252 Gus

My brother in Lawrenceville set them up. The Jersey Shore got whacked pretty good. Power is still coming back up in a lot of places.

Yeah, about an hour or two before the power came on the radio said PSE&G said 5 of their stations were still out but should be back up by tomorrow, then voila!

I've only seen a couple of pics when I went out and bought a paper Friday. It looks awful. Gonna have to looks for pics online.

I'll bet Gov. Christie is kicking ass & taking names--it could be really bad for him politically if things don't start improving pretty quickly. Especially after he gave POTUS so much love. Heard about that and was soooo pissed I didn't have you guys to talk to. I MUST see the video of that and of him saying he doesn't give a shit about the election right now. LOL

258 Charles Johnson  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:44:03pm

re: #237 CuriousLurker

Glad to see you didn't get washed out to sea!

259 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:44:45pm

re: #257 CuriousLurker

Yeah, about an hour or two before the power came on the radio said PSE&G said 5 of their stations were still out but should be back up by tomorrow, then voila!

I've only seen a couple of pics when I went out and bought a paper Friday. It looks awful. Gonna have to looks for pics online.

I'll bet Gov. Christie is kicking ass & taking names--it could be really bad for him politically if things don't start improving pretty quickly. Especially after he gave POTUS so much love. Heard about that and was soooo pissed I didn't have you guys to talk to. I MUST see the video of that and of him saying he doesn't give a shit about the election right now. LOL

Oh, it's been absolutely priceless, watching the wingnuts lose their minds over him showing any thankfulness to Obama. A few even out loud demanded that he hold off on seeking federal aid because they're sure Romney will take office next January.

260 Kragar  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:45:09pm

CIV V plus time change = Where the hell did the day go?

261 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:45:29pm

Forward!

re: #257 CuriousLurker

Yeah, about an hour or two before the power came on the radio said PSE&G said 5 of their stations were still out but should be back up by tomorrow, then voila!

I've only seen a couple of pics when I went out and bought a paper Friday. It looks awful. Gonna have to looks for pics online.

I'll bet Gov. Christie is kicking ass & taking names--it could be really bad for him politically if things don't start improving pretty quickly. Especially after he gave POTUS so much love. Heard about that and was soooo pissed I didn't have you guys to talk to. I MUST see the video of that and of him saying he doesn't give a shit about the election right now. LOL

I personally told at least half a dozen wingnuts on Twitter to go fuck themselves on Twitter on behalf of New Jersey and by extension Governor Christie.

262 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:45:53pm

re: #257 CuriousLurker

I think Christie has done a good job, given the circumstances.

As for power, we have only so many power crews, and there is a lot of repairs to do. Patience is needed.

263 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:45:54pm

re: #258 Charles Johnson

Glad to see you didn't get washed out to sea!

Not as glad as I am! ;o)

We were actually implementing the first step of the new East Coast Caliphate. We'll be going global on Tuesday. //

264 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:46:36pm
265 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:46:41pm

re: #257 CuriousLurker

I MUST see the video of that and of him saying he doesn't give a shit about the election right now. LOL

Ask and you shall receive:

266 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:46:53pm

re: #259 Targetpractice

Oh, it's been absolutely priceless, watching the wingnuts lose their minds over him showing any thankfulness to Obama. A few even out loud demanded that he hold off on seeking federal aid because they're sure Romney will take office next January.

Oh, FFS! *headdesk*

267 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:47:06pm

re: #260 Kragar

CIV V plus time change = Where the hell did the day go?

To crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of their women?

//

268 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:47:28pm

Maybe I'm just turning more marxist in my old age, but the more I watch the BBC's Strictly Come Dancing and its American version Dancing With The Stars the more the whole thing seems like an imperialistic take on music from African and Latin American cultures.

Classic is when they have "salsa" and "mambo" and "rhumba" dances to music that has nothing to do with the origins of those music/dance genres.

Even the so called "Paso Doble" has very little to do with Iberia, and while Tango music and dance definitely has an Italian influence in the background Tango proper formed from the fusion of peoples in Argentina.

Anyway, imperialism runs deep.

269 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:47:46pm

re: #261 Gus

I personally told at least half a dozen wingnuts on Twitter to go fuck themselves on Twitter on behalf of New Jersey and by extension Governor Christie.

Thank you!

270 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:47:50pm

And yes, I know, "reality TV" has nothing to do with real reality but is simply a way of making a TV show on the cheap.

271 boxhead  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:48:19pm

re: #268 freetoken

I know your problem..... watching Dancing shows....

//

272 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:48:43pm

re: #266 CuriousLurker

Oh, FFS! *headdesk*

Yeah and there are reports that some of Romney's aides told Christie that his statements in support and praise of the president's job handling the hurricane would "not be forgotten." I am not a Christie fan and I know you aren't either but I'm happy to take his side here over the nuts in the right wing. Some of them are also pissed off at Christie too because he's actually allowed early voting to go on without being a dick about it unlike Kasich and Scott.

273 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:49:09pm

re: #262 ProGunLiberal

More simply said, we have about 50 shovels to deal with the equivalent of Pikes Peak in terms of crap mountains.

274 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:49:17pm

re: #271 boxhead

I know your problem..... watching Dancing shows....

//

... and expecting dancing rather than an attempt to generate revenue for telecomm companies.

275 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:49:34pm

re: #259 Targetpractice

Oh, it's been absolutely priceless, watching the wingnuts lose their minds over him showing any thankfulness to Obama. A few even out loud demanded that he hold off on seeking federal aid because they're sure Romney will take office next January.

Rupert Murdoch saying that Christie should publicly re-declare his support for Romney or be blamed for an Obama win was hilarious:

276 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:49:42pm

re: #262 ProGunLiberal

I think Christie has done a good job, given the circumstances.

As for power, we have only so many power crews, and there is a lot of repairs to do. Patience is needed.

True that. Hard to be patient when you're cold & can't bathe, food going bad. Still, many people suffering much worse. *sigh* What a clusterfuck.

277 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:50:07pm

re: #275 Lidane

Rupert Murdoch saying that Christie should publicly re-declare his support for Romney or be blamed for an Obama win was hilarious:

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Maybe Rupert should go back to Australia. Fucking asshole.

278 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:50:14pm

re: #265 Lidane

Thank youuuu!

279 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:50:52pm

re: #276 CuriousLurker

True that. Hard to be patient when you're cold & can't bathe, food going bad. Still, many people suffering much worse. *sigh* What a clusterfuck.

Sometimes, we just lose everything.

280 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:51:12pm

re: #267 Targetpractice

To crushing your enemies, seeing them driven before you, and hearing the lamentations of their women?

//

IOW, like me the other day when I found a sweet old perfect copy of Final Fantasy V Advance that runs in my Nintendo DS? Oy, I didn't lose hours, I lost a week!

Between GBA versions & my DS, I can run FF 1 through 6. Hell of a series of games that you can take anywhere.

281 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:51:58pm
282 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:53:31pm

re: #275 Lidane

Rupert Murdoch saying that Christie should publicly re-declare his support for Romney or be blamed for an Obama win was hilarious:

Seeing as he owns a media empire, that wasn't a prediction as much as it was a threat.

283 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:53:49pm

re: #280 William Barnett-Lewis

IOW, like me the other day when I found a sweet old perfect copy of Final Fantasy V Advance that runs in my Nintendo DS? Oy, I didn't lose hours, I lost a week!

Between GBA versions & my DS, I can run FF 1 through 6. Hell of a series of games that you can take anywhere.

Steam had a Halloween sale on Monday and Tuesday, so I was able to grab a copy of Fallout: New Vegas Ultimate Edition for $15. And I gotta say, I don't remember the game being this...long.

284 SteelGHAZI  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:54:27pm

re: #227 CuriousLurker

Holy crap, I'm so glad you're alright!

{{ CL }}

285 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:54:30pm

re: #282 Mich-again

Seeing as he owns a media empire, that wasn't a prediction as much as it was a threat.

Christie will either bow to Big Daddy or pay the consequences.

286 ProGunLiberal  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:55:34pm

re: #276 CuriousLurker

Still hard to believe NYC went underwater. I know, I've heard for years it was going to happen, but the fact it just happened, one week from tomorrow, still seems surreal.

Sandy will get retired. She caused enough damage to completely surpass Andrew for 2nd place in terms of Destructive damage to the US, and she may very well be the Deadliest Hurricane for the US since Hurricane Katrina.

I think she has a good chance of surpassing Katrina's Damage total. Katrina caused $108 Billion in damage, which is $128 Billion counting inflation.

287 danarchy  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:55:34pm

re: #285 freetoken

Christie will either bow to Big Daddy or pay the consequences.

Christie already reaffirmed his support for Romney in a press conference this afternoon.

288 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:55:56pm

re: #282 Mich-again

Seeing as he owns a media empire, that wasn't a prediction as much as it was a threat.

True, but Christie strikes me as the kind of guy who isn't going to be cowed by that. His state is under water and he publicly credits POTUS and the government for bringing help as fast as possible. He's got bigger issues to deal with than Mitt Romney's widdle feelings or the GOP's election chances.

289 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:56:39pm

I'll tell you guys one thing: Night time is fucking LONG. There's only about 11 hours of daylight right now--the light in the first 2 hours of the morning is weak, ditto the last 2 hours, so there's only like 7 hours of good, bright light.

We're soooo disconnected from nature. And we're so busy. Doing what for all those long hours that seem to fly by when all is normal?

Oh, and electricity makes a LOT of noise. So quiet when it is out.

290 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:57:31pm

re: #284 Artist

Holy crap, I'm so glad you're alright!

{{ CL }}

Thanks! {{Artist}} ;)

291 boxhead  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:57:59pm

re: #285 freetoken

Christie will either bow to Big Daddy or pay the consequences.

I would be willing to bet he will stay his course. You saw the look on his face after he saw what happened. he was hurting. He had his moment of clarity. He can no longer go back to the lies. That is a good sign.

292 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:58:11pm

re: #287 danarchy

Christie already reaffirmed his support for Romney in a press conference this afternoon.

Then he's safe.

293 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:58:26pm

re: #289 CuriousLurker

I'll tell you guys one thing: Night time is fucking LONG. There's only about 11 hours of daylight right now--the light in the first 2 hours of the morning is weak, ditto the last 2 hours, so there's only like 7 hours of good, bright light.

We're soooo disconnected from nature. And we're so busy. Doing what for all those long hours that seem to fly by when all is normal?

Oh, and electricity makes a LOT of noise. So quiet when it is out.

Life changes when your technology is out.

294 boxhead  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:58:46pm

re: #287 danarchy

Christie already reaffirmed his support for Romney in a press conference this afternoon.

really? damn...

295 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 8:58:51pm

re: #288 Lidane

True, but Christie strikes me as the kind of guy who isn't going to be cowed by that. His state is under water and he publicly credits POTUS and the government for bringing help as fast as possible. He's got bigger issues to deal with than Mitt Romney's widdle feelings or the GOP's election chances.

With all the blame and accusations flying around the GOP aftermath will be like a Salem Witch trial.

296 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:00:02pm

Election Day is TOMORROW!

(EST!!)

297 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:01:21pm

re: #276 CuriousLurker

True that. Hard to be patient when you're cold & can't bathe, food going bad. Still, many people suffering much worse. *sigh* What a clusterfuck.

Good reason to finish getting my disaster stuff set aside done.

Rice, flour, sugar, corn meal, dry navy beans, coffee & tea, canned veggies & meat, olive oil, 21 gallons of bottled water (3 gal per person per day - 3 of us, on week. FEMA guidelines) plus filling the bathtub for flushing, a week of fuel for our camp stove for 2 hot meals and misc. drinks per day. Spare clothing and bedding. A radio with spare batteries. Ammo for each person's preferred firearm. Adult beverages of all kinds - caffeinated and alcohol laden. There is much other but you get the hint.

298 BeenHereAwhile  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:01:26pm

re: #148 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

You may only have three parties there. Today's Democratic Party isn't far from where Eisenhower's Republican Party was, except possibly for issues that didn't loom large back then, like gay rights and abortion. Don't forget that it was Nixon who established the EPA and even instituted wage and price controls, which even the most liberal Democrat wouldn't consider today. And pro-choice Republicans used to be reasonably common.

And it took an anti-commie politician like Nixon to have enough political gravitas to open up relations with China.

But Nixon tasked Fred Malek with the "Responsiveness Program", a strategy to replace civil servants with Nixon supporters and to steer government resources to benefit Nixon's 1972 re-election.

[Link: en.m.wikipedia.org...]

299 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:01:33pm

re: #296 dragonath

Election Day is TOMORROW!

(EST!!)

I spent the better part of this year wishing it was November already, just so this could all be over. I'll spend the rest of this day wishing it was already over.

300 b_snark  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:01:58pm

re: #216 CuriousLurker

Zombie CL

Hey, you're back.
You had a lot of peeps worried.

301 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:02:34pm

re: #297 William Barnett-Lewis

Good reason to finish getting my disaster stuff set aside done.

Rice, flour, sugar, corn meal, dry navy beans, coffee & tea, canned veggies & meat, olive oil, 21 gallons of bottled water (3 gal per person per day - 3 of us, on week. FEMA guidelines) plus filling the bathtub for flushing, a week of fuel for our camp stove for 2 hot meals and misc. drinks per day. Spare clothing and bedding. A radio with spare batteries. Ammo for each person's preferred firearm. Adult beverages of all kinds - caffeinated and alcohol laden. There is much other but you get the hint.

Preparing for the zombie apocalypse?

302 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:02:58pm

re: #285 freetoken

Christie will either bow to Big Daddy or pay the consequences.

Or, good american's of all political persuasions will pray, that he helps break big daddy's hold on our system...

303 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:03:11pm

re: #291 boxhead

I would be willing to bet he will stay his course. You saw the look on his face after he saw what happened. he was hurting. He had his moment of clarity. He can no longer go back to the lies. That is a good sign.

I think he was sincerely upset and he's not exactly good at hiding his feelings, heh. It's also political for him, but sometimes other things take priority. If he doesn't fix NJ fast his political career will be toast and he knows it.

In this situation I was quite happy to picture a loud, obnoxious Jersey guy like him barking at people to get it fixed and get it fixed NOW, or else.

304 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:03:14pm

Proof the high technology does not bring true understanding:

New digital iBook about creationism and dinosaurs touted to be "an advanced teaching tool"

305 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:03:38pm

re: #195 moderatelyradicalliberal

In fairness to the President, he knows he can't move his hips too much because he will be accused of trying to seduce white wimminz.

[Embedded content]

Thank you!

306 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:04:17pm

re: #287 danarchy

Christie already reaffirmed his support for Romney in a press conference this afternoon.

Link? I'd like to see if he left wiggle room or not...

307 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:05:02pm

re: #297 William Barnett-Lewis

Good reason to finish getting my disaster stuff set aside done.

Rice, flour, sugar, corn meal, dry navy beans, coffee & tea, canned veggies & meat, olive oil, 21 gallons of bottled water (3 gal per person per day - 3 of us, on week. FEMA guidelines) plus filling the bathtub for flushing, a week of fuel for our camp stove for 2 hot meals and misc. drinks per day. Spare clothing and bedding. A radio with spare batteries. Ammo for each person's preferred firearm. Adult beverages of all kinds - caffeinated and alcohol laden. There is much other but you get the hint.

Seriously, do it. It sucks to be unprepared. Try to find a solar charger for electronics too--I think Radio Shack sells them.

308 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:05:04pm

re: #298 BeenHereAwhile

HOLY SHIT that's the dog skinning guy

309 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:05:34pm

re: #297 William Barnett-Lewis

Good reason to finish getting my disaster stuff set aside done.

Rice, flour, sugar, corn meal, dry navy beans, coffee & tea, canned veggies & meat, olive oil, 21 gallons of bottled water (3 gal per person per day - 3 of us, on week. FEMA guidelines) plus filling the bathtub for flushing, a week of fuel for our camp stove for 2 hot meals and misc. drinks per day. Spare clothing and bedding. A radio with spare batteries. Ammo for each person's preferred firearm. Adult beverages of all kinds - caffeinated and alcohol laden. There is much other but you get the hint.

Shoot, a fella' could have a pretty good weekend in Vegas with all that stuff.

310 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:05:45pm

re: #300 Bipartite Gnomenclature

Hey, you're back.
You had a lot of peeps worried.

Yep, I'm back! {{b_sharp}}

311 boxhead  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:05:56pm

re: #303 CuriousLurker

someone posted that he reaffirmed his Romney support.... I can understand why in a comic book bad guy way, but I believe he is not sleeping well at night.

312 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:07:19pm

re: #311 boxhead

Christie has in the past paid obeisance to the Koch bros. too.

Christie's like Romney - he'll embrace anything to get himself elected.

313 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:07:21pm

re: #224 CuriousLurker

ZOMG, 5.5 days without electricity. Even worse, no political fix this close to an election!

As of 55 minutes ago we have light, heat, and will soon have hot water again! *happy dance*

Glad to see you are well.
Just in time too!

314 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:08:02pm

re: #301 Targetpractice

No. But I live where we can be buried by enough snow to live without help other than our neighbors for a week without blinking an eye. I'd rather be prepared than not.

I'd like to bitch slap into the next fucking century the asswipes that made "zombies" an acceptable word in modern discourse.

315 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:08:06pm

re: #313 R.M, Ramallo

Glad to see you are well.
Just in time too!

Thanks! Yeah, just in the nick of time. ;)

316 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:08:35pm

re: #307 CuriousLurker

So glad to see you are well! We were on our own for a few days after the Northridge quake. Can't say enough about being prepared. We did ok around here. Not as severe as Sandy either of course. But the advice is essential-Be ready for a week on your own.

317 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:08:52pm

YeahmumblesupportgovurnerRomnezzzz

318 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:09:09pm

re: #307 CuriousLurker

Seriously, do it. It sucks to be unprepared. Try to find a solar charger for electronics too--I think Radio Shack sells them.

They do. It's on my long list.

319 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:09:16pm

re: #311 boxhead

someone posted that he reaffirmed his Romney support.... I can understand why in a comic book bad guy way, but I believe he is not sleeping well at night.

I'm glad it pushed climate change back into the spotlight too.

320 aagcobb  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:09:57pm

re: #219 freetoken

And here we have the last minute money shot:

Ryan says Obama's policies threaten 'Judeo-Christian' values

I wonder if Paul Ryan's Ayn Rand authorized edition of the Bible includes Acts 2:44-45,

44 And all who believed were together and had all things in common. 45 And they were selling their possessions and belongings and distributing the proceeds to all, as any had need.

321 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:10:07pm

A review of the Governor's race from the Holy Land of Indiana:

An unprecedented pro-life power alignment with Pence

[...]

While many expect the initial Pence legislative thrust to be economic in nature, with one of the most conservative legislatures in memory coming into office in November, there will be an array of social legislation dealing with chemical abortion, personhood and creationism originating from senators and House members. While Pence has not actively discussed his “moral agenda,” he has said that since he is pro-life, people can expect him to sign any pro-life legislation that crosses his desk.

During the debate sequence only one moral issue was directly posed to the candidates, dealing with creationism in public schools. Neither Pence nor Gregg directly answered the question about moral issues. “On issues of curriculum, they should be decided by parents and local schools,” Pence said, “not dictated out of Indianapolis.”

Could Pence be expected to veto such a bill, based on local control? And will he rely on legislative leaders like Long and Bosma to put the clamps on controversial legislation, as Bosma apparently did – possibly at the behest of Daniels – on such legislation as creationism?

[...]

The cowardice of Pence is in not stating the truth - Creationism isn't banned by Indianapolis, but by the US Constitution. Such truth couldn't pass across Pence's tongue, though.

322 boxhead  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:10:14pm

re: #319 CuriousLurker

I'm glad it pushed climate change back into the spotlight too.

YES

323 danarchy  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:10:20pm

re: #306 William Barnett-Lewis

Link? I'd like to see if he left wiggle room or not...

I watched it on tv live this afternoon.

Was something to the effect of:

I was the first Governor to endorse Mitt Romney because I thought he was the right man for the job. I still believe that and I will be voting for him on Tuesday. That doesn't mean I can't say the president didn't do a good job on this. He has been all over it and as governor the citizens of NJ expect us to work together. yadda yadda yadda

That is a massive paraphrase obviously.

324 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:11:43pm

re: #323 danarchy

I watched it on tv live this afternoon.

Was something to the effect of:

I was the first Governor to endorse Mitt Romney because I thought he was the right man for the job. I still believe that and I will be voting for him on Tuesday. That doesn't mean I can't say the president didn't do a good job on this. He has been all over it and as governor the citizens of NJ expect us to work together. yadda yadda yadda

That is a massive paraphrase obviously.

So in other words he kissed the ring, but he didn't throw Obama under the bus. It'll be enough to satisfy the egos of the ruling elite, but you know the TPers will hold a grudge going forward.

325 boxhead  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:11:51pm

re: #312 freetoken

Christie has in the past paid obeisance to the Koch bros. too.

Christie's like Romney - he'll embrace anything to get himself elected.

so sad... I just now I heard on news Christie did endorse Mittens.. stupid ass fucks...

326 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:12:01pm

re: #309 Sophist, Gingham Style (AKA Bronco Bama)

Yes. And what's more important? If I set that much aside, I can feed more than a few of the neighbors too, at more than starvation rations. There is more than my family that needs to survive a disaster...

327 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:12:05pm

re: #323 danarchy

I watched it on tv live this afternoon.

Was something to the effect of:

I was the first Governor to endorse Mitt Romney because I thought he was the right man for the job. I still believe that and I will be voting for him on Tuesday. That doesn't mean I can't say the president didn't do a good job on this. He has been all over it and as governor the citizens of NJ expect us to work together. yadda yadda yadda

That is a massive paraphrase obviously.

So basically, he said he still supports Mitt, but Obama's not the anti-Christ and has been working hard to help New Jersey recover from Sandy.

That means he'll still end up being blamed by the RWNJs should Obama win again.

328 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:12:10pm

re: #316 Daniel Ballard

So glad to see you are well! We were on our own for a few days after the Northridge quake. Can't say enough about being prepared. We did ok around here. Not as severe as Sandy either of course. But the advice is essential-Be ready for a week on your own.

Thanks! It was kinda like living back in 1978 for a while, but witthout even T or electricity. I haven't listened to the radio that much in 30 years.

I hear you on being prepared. I have a list of things I fully intend to keep on hand from now on.

329 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:12:23pm

re: #319 CuriousLurker

I'm glad it pushed climate change back into the spotlight too.

It'll fade soon.

330 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:12:53pm

re: #319 CuriousLurker

I'm glad it pushed climate change back into the spotlight too.

It'll fade soon.

331 boxhead  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:13:15pm

re: #329 freetoken

It'll fade soon.

until the next storm that kills Americans....

332 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:14:53pm

Well Christie said what I would expect him to say if asked about that. I don't think anyone expected him to say screw Mitt, I'm an Obama man now. He wouldn't even do that if he had no ambitions beyond his current job or if he was leaving office at the end of his term.

333 aagcobb  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:14:56pm

re: #327 Lidane

So basically, he said he still supports Mitt, but Obama's not the anti-Christ and has been working hard to help New Jersey recover from Sandy.

That means he'll still end up being blamed by the RWNJs should Obama win again.

Well, Romney enacted Romneycare and won the GOP nomination anyway, so I think this doesn't completely derail the Christie '16 campaign. If anyone is taking odds on the race yet, I would guess that Bush v. Clinton would be a good bet.

334 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:14:58pm

re: #330 freetoken

Stop being such a pessimist!

335 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:15:09pm

re: #323 danarchy

I watched it on tv live this afternoon.

Was something to the effect of:

I was the first Governor to endorse Mitt Romney because I thought he was the right man for the job. I still believe that and I will be voting for him on Tuesday. That doesn't mean I can't say the president didn't do a good job on this. He has been all over it and as governor the citizens of NJ expect us to work together. yadda yadda yadda

That is a massive paraphrase obviously.

Well, in his defense, the TP/GOP are known for eating their own, and last I heard, they were planning a HUGE feast in Christie's honor.

336 gwangung  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:15:21pm

re: #327 Lidane

So basically, he said he still supports Mitt, but Obama's not the anti-Christ and has been working hard to help New Jersey recover from Sandy.

That means he'll still end up being blamed by the RWNJs should Obama win again.

That'd be a big hurdle to his getting the nomination.

But if he gets it, it's a big plus in the general, because I think the RWNJ would suck it up and vote for him then.

He must figure he could withstand their assault in the primaries.

337 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:15:58pm

re: #334 CuriousLurker

Stop being such a pessimist!

I'm a realist.

338 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:16:28pm

re: #337 freetoken

I'm a realist.

I knew you were gonna say that, heh.

339 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:16:55pm

re: #297 William Barnett-Lewis

Good reason to finish getting my disaster stuff set aside done.

Rice, flour, sugar, corn meal, dry navy beans, coffee & tea, canned veggies & meat, olive oil, 21 gallons of bottled water (3 gal per person per day - 3 of us, on week. FEMA guidelines) plus filling the bathtub for flushing, a week of fuel for our camp stove for 2 hot meals and misc. drinks per day. Spare clothing and bedding. A radio with spare batteries. Ammo for each person's preferred firearm. Adult beverages of all kinds - caffeinated and alcohol laden. There is much other but you get the hint.

I have a water bladder that goes in the tub, holds 60 gallons and has a hand pump attached. Instead of storing a bunch of bulky bottled water (although I do have a little), I just plan to fill it next time a hurricane gets on a trajectory to strike my area. My solution for flushing is not to, since the sewers here flood easily and then wont drain. I have a five gallon bucket, a pop-on toilet seat, and a shovel for that little task.

340 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:16:57pm

re: #312 freetoken

Christie has in the past paid obeisance to the Koch bros. too.

Christie's like Romney - he'll embrace anything to get himself elected.

Hmm....

I understand the feeling. That said, Christie just doesn't come across as that evil. He seems to have a conscious, unlike Mittens.

No, he may well go back and try the game again but there is a part of him that will always remember Sandy and he'll probably never be able to play their game again. If the world is really lucky, he'll find god and truly repent.

341 dragonath  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:17:38pm

Well, I'll hold back on speculating Christie's motivations right now. He might go full wingnut. He might not. Right now he has the appreciation of many Democrats and I wonder what he thinks of that.

342 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:18:17pm

Who knows what will happen with him but I know this much. If he runs for president, his opponents in the primary are going to hit him with his praise of Obama after Sandy.

343 b_snark  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:18:47pm

re: #310 CuriousLurker

Yep, I'm back! {{b_sharp}}

That's a relief.

344 aagcobb  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:20:34pm

re: #342 HappyWarrior

Who knows what will happen with him but I know this much. If he runs for president, his opponents in the primary are going to hit him with his praise of Obama after Sandy.

And he will smack them down the same way he did Fox News when they asked him about politics in the middle of a disaster.

345 CuriousLurker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:20:58pm

Okay, my scaly friends, I have a massive amount of catching up to do before Tuesday, both personal & work related, so I'm gonna go start trying to dig my way through everything.

I missed you guys and am really, really, really glad to be back and to see you all again. ;) TTYL

346 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:21:08pm

The rank and file Republicans I know are using ever more apocalyptic terms when they talk about the election. It is really striking how often I hear things like "we can't survive four more years of Obama," "this will determine whether our country continues to exist," "this is the most important election in US history" or even "the history of the world."
People have always used hyperbole when discussing their partisan positions, but this is something new and, to be honest, a little sinister. I don't remember this kind of Armageddon rhetoric ever being so sincerely expressed or so pervasive. These are not radio hosts or other professional demagogues either, but ordinary people expressing their estimate of the situation. To say the least, that estimate is badly flawed and potentially dangerous.

347 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:21:36pm

re: #344 aagcobb

And he will smack them down the same way he did Fox News when they asked him about politics in the middle of a disaster.

But would that work in a Republican primary? I guess it depends on how Obama is perceived in 2016.

348 Kragar  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:21:50pm

Linda McMahon Doorhanger: Vote For Obama … And Me

Connecticut Republican Senate nominee Linda McMahon has been telling voters lately that it’s okay to vote for President Obama as well as her. Now she’s taking it a step further — and getting about as far away from her own party’s nominee for president as she can — and actually urging voters to cast their ballots for Obama as well as in the final days of the campaign.

349 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:23:13pm

Not that I really give a shit but did Lieberman announce support for either Romney or Obama?

350 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:23:39pm

re: #338 CuriousLurker

I knew you were gonna say that, heh.

We are but here for a fleeting moment. Enjoy life while we can.

351 b_snark  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:24:17pm

Later gators.

352 boxhead  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:24:40pm

re: #346 Shiplord Kirel


I hear this talk from normally intelligent folks.... It makes no sense except to blame FOX News and Right Wing radio... What evil power lurks in the media of monied interests? Only the Shadow knows...

353 aagcobb  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:25:07pm

re: #347 HappyWarrior

But would that work in a Republican primary? I guess it depends on how Obama is perceived in 2016.

I think it should be tried. I think people would appreciate Christie's integrity. I believe that Romney tacked too far to the Right during the primaries; if he hadn't already dug himself such a deep hole, perhaps his dash to the center would've gotten him over the hump. If the only way to get the GOP nomination is to take positions that make you unelectable, then the nomination isn't worth having.

354 gwangung  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:26:47pm

re: #347 HappyWarrior

But would that work in a Republican primary? I guess it depends on how Obama is perceived in 2016.

Actually, I think it'd depend on how alpha male-ish it's done. The authoritarian streak could respond to his asshole-ishness.

355 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:26:47pm

re: #353 aagcobb

I think it should be tried. I think people would appreciate Christie's integrity. I believe that Romney tacked too far to the Right during the primaries; if he hadn't already dug himself such a deep hole, perhaps his dash to the center would've gotten him over the hump. If the only way to get the GOP nomination is to take positions that make you unelectable, then the nomination isn't worth having.

I guess so. Just seems to me that what happens with Republican primaries these days is people like McCain and Romney, both of whom had fairly centrist records moved far to the right of what they actually did. But perhaps 2016's Republicans will be different than 2012's.

356 Mich-again  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:27:25pm

re: #346 Shiplord Kirel

I don't remember this kind of Armageddon rhetoric ever being so sincerely expressed or so pervasive.

It will take a lot of mocking to wake them up and make them realize how stupid they look but that is probably the best way to bring them back from out in the weeds.

357 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:28:15pm

re: #346 Shiplord Kirel

PO'd a dude the other day who was ranting like that when I said, "We survived 8 year's of Dubya. Nothing else could be worse." Thought he was going to have a stoke on the spot. But I didn't get scared and run away so he finally stomped off to my laughter.

358 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:29:50pm

re: #346 Shiplord Kirel

The rank and file Republicans I know are using ever more apocalyptic terms when they talk about the election. It is really striking how often I hear things like "we can't survive four more years of Obama," "this will determine whether our country continues to exist," "this is the most important election in US history" or even "the history of the world."
People have always used hyperbole when discussing their partisan positions, but this is something new and, to be honest, a little sinister. I don't remember this kind of Armageddon rhetoric ever being so sincerely expressed or so pervasive. These are not radio hosts or other professional demagogues either, but ordinary people expressing their estimate of the situation. To say the least, that estimate is badly flawed and potentially dangerous.

I've had a couple who have basically told me that they think that, no matter who wins, the country's set for a massive economic collapse that will eclipse the Great Recession, but that they'd rather have Obama there in the driver's seat so as to make sure a Democrat doesn't win the presidency again for a generation.

359 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:31:35pm

This election is just another in a long line of evidence of how outdated our Constitution is becoming. The religious worship of said document is unavoidable, I suppose, but we would benefit from a critical re-evaluation of it I propose.

No way could our founding fathers have foreseen that elections would become Reality TV, a form of entertainment where advertisers manipulate the audience to generate more revenue.

The concept of the vote is kind of tenuous itself, having been morphed from a privilege for the land owning male into a wider belief in universal suffrage (for "adults".)

If we really do believe in governance by one-person-one-vote then why are non-humans (e.g., corporations) allowed such influence? Why stick to the arcane Electoral College?

Why allow lies to be spread by those with incredible wealth, spread for the sole purpose of keeping the wealthy in control of government?

360 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:31:58pm

re: #358 Targetpractice

I've had a couple who have basically told me that they think that, no matter who wins, the country's set for a massive economic collapse that will eclipse the Great Recession, but that they'd rather have Obama there in the driver's seat so as to make sure a Democrat doesn't win the presidency again for a generation.

Those people seem to forget it was Hoover's weak response more than anything that gave the Republican Party that stigma for twenty years.

361 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:33:47pm

re: #360 HappyWarrior

Those people seem to forget it was Hoover's weak response more than anything that gave the Republican Party that stigma for twenty years.

Isn't the general consensus of those looking back now that Hoover was a very decent man but who was also out of time, in the sense that the modernizing economy needed approaches that were too new or foreign to him?

362 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:34:09pm

Marist: Obama +1 in VA

[Link: msnbcmedia.msn.com...]

363 Gus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:34:56pm

Night all. Peace be with you.

364 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:36:29pm

re: #361 freetoken

Isn't the general consensus of those looking back now that Hoover was a very decent man but who was also out of time, in the sense that the modernizing economy needed approaches that were too new or foreign to him?

Looking back, yes. At the time, no. I always thought it was unfair to blame Hoover. I think Harding and Coolidge's policies deserve more blame.

365 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:36:34pm
366 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:37:58pm

re: #361 freetoken

Isn't the general consensus of those looking back now that Hoover was a very decent man but who was also out of time, in the sense that the modernizing economy needed approaches that were too new or foreign to him?

In a lot of ways, Hoover's approach to the Great Depression was much like the one the GOP pushed: Avoiding federal intervention in a blind belief that the power of free market could fix a problem it had created, such that he didn't take seriously the need for such intervention until it was too late, then compounded by his not taking a serious approach to the problem.

367 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:40:10pm

re: #366 Targetpractice

In 1929, "federal intervention" would have been much more novel than today, 83 years later.

With the development of fiat money, reserve banking, federal income taxes all being still relatively new, Hoover's belief system was no doubt still strongly influenced by his 19th century teachers.

368 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:40:27pm

re: #352 boxhead

I hear this talk from normally intelligent folks.... It makes no sense except to blame FOX News and Right Wing radio... What evil power lurks in the media of monied interests? Only the Shadow knows...

I have a hard time with Fox News. I watch the drones in my life. They listen to a a little C-SPAN or NPR and seem to be able to have a decent discussion-even debate the topics. Then an evening of Fox and they are back to being unable to do so.

I'm not kidding. I live with this stuff. Fox News is scary.

369 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:40:59pm
370 HappyWarrior  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:42:38pm

The interesting irony about Hoover is he actually had started out as a progressive. He was a supporter of Teddy Roosevelt in 1912 but he just wasn't ready to adapt to the realities of the new post WWI world IMO. A good man who was just way out of his depth. He had never been governor or senator by the way before he ran either so I think he wasn't ready for the pressures of the job. But then again Lincoln was a one term congressman but Lincoln was Lincoln. A once in history type figure with both the wisdom and leadership skills to lead in a dire time.

371 Kragar  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:45:11pm

re: #365 Gretchen G.Tiger

I'm beyond pissed.

you?

Organized religion is an extortion racket.

372 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:45:11pm

re: #367 freetoken

With the development of fiat moneys.

Please. All money is "fiat" money. There is utterly nothing but people's agreement that makes gold worth anything. That's the ulitmate ignorance behind the gold bugs - there is no difference between their gold and south seas islander's use of sea shells.

None.

373 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:46:37pm

Austin television stations have a sad:

For Austin, no TV ad dollars from Obama, Romney

The presidency is the big issue on Tuesday’s ballot — but you wouldn’t know it based on the campaign advertising dollars spent on Austin’s TV stations.

[...]

The money machine called the "US Election" has passed them by.

374 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:47:07pm

re: #371 Kragar

Organized religion is an extortion racket.

And seems to have a history of suppressing women. I can't think of one that doesn't to some degree. Reform Judiasm probably is better than most. Unitarian/Universalist too.

375 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:47:45pm

re: #373 freetoken

Austin television stations have a sad:

For Austin, no TV ad dollars from Obama, Romney

The money machine called the "US Election" has passed them by.

How much does that industry actually make these days. I know the lawyers are soaking up the hours in Ohio and Florida.

376 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:48:23pm

re: #372 William Barnett-Lewis

Fair enough, but as used by a central bank like the Fed the use of the money supply to control a national economy was still in its infancy in the days of Hoover.

Isn't that part of the lessons that Bernanke and his predecessor keep citing in why they were so aggressive in expanding the money supply?

377 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:48:25pm

re: #372 William Barnett-Lewis

Please. All money is "fiat" money. There is utterly nothing but people's agreement that makes gold worth anything. That's the ulitmate ignorance behind the gold bugs - there is no difference between their gold and south seas islander's use of sea shells.

None.

Just wait until gold-plated latinum becomes the standard!

378 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:48:42pm

Gotta go - noticed the clock & tomorrow is creeping up way too soon.

G'night!

379 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:49:25pm

Still even gold is a symbol for the resources for which it can be exchanged --no?

380 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:49:34pm

re: #372 William Barnett-Lewis

Please. All money is "fiat" money. There is utterly nothing but people's agreement that makes gold worth anything. That's the ulitmate ignorance behind the gold bugs - there is no difference between their gold and south seas islander's use of sea shells.

None.

Yep.
If civilization were to end, a bag of rice will be worth more than a bar of gold.

381 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:49:45pm

re: #372 William Barnett-Lewis

Please. All money is "fiat" money. There is utterly nothing but people's agreement that makes gold worth anything. That's the ulitmate ignorance behind the gold bugs - there is no difference between their gold and south seas islander's use of sea shells.

None.

It's why I always get a snicker out of the gold bugs who think they're hoarding money in the case of the government's collapse. If the government falls apart, you might find yourself trading a bag of gold coins for a bottle of irradiated water.

382 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:50:54pm

re: #374 Gretchen G.Tiger

And seems to have a history of suppressing women. I can't think of one that doesn't to some degree. Reform Judiasm probably is better than most. Unitarian/Universalist too.

Organized religion is all about preserving the status quo, and the status quo when most of them came about was "women are property". So, go figure.

383 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:52:02pm

For some reason the twitter hashtag #romneydeathrally is taking off

384 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:53:39pm

re: #383 SpaceJesus

For some reason the twitter hashtag #romneydeathrally is taking off

Valley Forge II: Electric Boogaloo

385 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:53:52pm

re: #383 SpaceJesus

According to my twitter home page with the trending set to the US, the top list is:

#YahooNewsElections Promoted
#IfWeDate
#LiesBoysTell
#Top10FavoriteAlbums
#LoriInLabor
#replacesongtitlewithchocolate
5th of November
My Truth
Lori
Pistons

386 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:54:17pm

re: #383 SpaceJesus

For some reason the twitter hashtag #romneydeathrally is taking off

oh wow. I have a hard time with the name after the tag. kinda morbid. Campaign Death Rally maybe, not the person.

387 OhNoZombies!  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:57:23pm

Sweet dreams lizards!

388 Four More Beers  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:57:34pm

I voted (early) for Obama because I am on his side on all the social issues (yes, they matter. The way people think about social issues is indicative of their worldview.), and I am confident that he will be a good POTUS for the next four years. Could he have handled health-care reform better, and led from the front? Yes. But if you think I would have voted for that lying a-hole Romney, think again. Obama wins 304 electoral votes.

389 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 9:59:14pm

re: #386 Gretchen G.Tiger

i think it's a reference to the rally romney held today where his staff wouldn't let people in attendance leave

390 SpaceJesus  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:00:04pm

it's getting pretty hilarious though

391 Kragar  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:00:32pm

re: #383 SpaceJesus

For some reason the twitter hashtag #romneydeathrally is taking off

392 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:07:57pm
393 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:09:53pm

Why am I voting for Obama? Because I got promised a place in the New World Order and I just couldn't pass it up.

///

394 efuseakay  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:11:12pm

re: #224 CuriousLurker

ZOMG, 5.5 days without electricity. Even worse, no political fix this close to an election!

As of 55 minutes ago we have light, heat, and will soon have hot water again! *happy dance*

Holy shit. You're ok. Great!!!

395 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:11:34pm
396 lostlakehiker  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:18:43pm

re: #87 Targetpractice

I know that, in the immediate aftermath of an Obama victory, there will be those who tell us we should be magnanimous in victory and should not "spike the football."

But me, personally? I say fuck that, after 4 years of misery, it's time to start rubbing salt in some wounds. Because they sure as fuck will not hold back if Romney manages to win.

A safe enough bet that your prediction won't be checkable.

If Romney wins, if "we" win, there won't be any spiking the football from moi and mine. We will know full well that not even half the country trusts us to do the right thing, that the only reason we won was because after four years of depression-level unemployment (counting underemployed and discouraged workers into the mix), "four more years" didn't sound that great to just enough voters, in just the right places.

Some of us will know that we're wrong on global warming. Some of "you" may realize that you're wrong about increased spending and trillion dollar deficits as far as the eye can see being a way to kick-start the economy. At least, empirically, you're wrong. says Harvard professor of political economics Alberto Alesina

Reasonable people can disagree about which is more important. Here, clearly, the climate is very important. But the U.S. is not the only driver of CO2 emissions, and Obama has damaged the prospects of nuclear power by nixing the NV nuclear waste repository, damaged the prospects of wind and solar by hampering imports from China with tariffs, and damaged the reputation of "green" by funneling money into ventures that were known to be destined for failure, such as Solyndra, when he funded them. He's not that good on the issue.

Believe it or not, reasonable people can also disagree about the wisdom of winning, through regulatory decrees and court actions, what goes by the name of "marriage equality". "You" will win it in due course through elections and referendums. Won that way, it won't carry in its wake unwanted side effects such as, perhaps, the legalization of polygamy. And then we have what "you" deem to be healthcare reform. The things it promises to do sound nice. But I've seen this phenomenon called "adverse selection" at work. There's a dynamic that results in collapse of the insurance market, when those who know they are not at risk need not buy now, because they can wait and buy later, while those who have health problems now sign up to pay small premiums now and get big expenses covered now.

If you wanted to nationalize health care, there were better ways to do it than to write into law rules that must crash the current system, in the hope that from the wreckage you can get what you really want. Or so it looks to me. I can't prove it will crash; we'll just have to wait and see. That it hasn't crashed yet is beside the point. (Obamacare hasn't gone into full force yet.)

We won't get to see what a Romney presidency would have looked like. Much like the Romney years in Mass., my guess, but it's just a guess. We will get those four more Obama years of the chant. I hope they turn out OK. You seem confident. You might even be right. It would be nice, because the people around me are hurting and four more years of pain won't be anything to celebrate.

As to comment 381 about gold bugs, there's another reason to not hoard gold. The government would confiscate it in just that case where it turns out to have been a "good idea". It's been done before, by Roosevelt. The only things worth hoarding against a really bad economic crash are skills that will be needed no matter what, and a (deserved) reputation as a generous and honorable person.

Believe it or not, that's not coterminous with "Democrat". We, the vanquished (odds are), ask some "malice toward none".

397 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:23:21pm

What is the standard of currency in the Zombie Nation?

398 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:26:12pm

re: #397 Gretchen G.Tiger

What is the standard of currency in the Zombie Nation?

Ammo. And speed. And endurance.

Basically, the very rich won't be in charge. It will be the very fast.

399 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:26:22pm

re: #389 SpaceJesus

i think it's a reference to the rally romney held today where his staff wouldn't let people in attendance leave

ah!

400 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:26:50pm

re: #398 Lidane

Ammo. And speed. And endurance.

Basically, the very rich won't be in charge. It will be the very fast.

Oh, I meant for the Zombies . . .

LOL

401 Kragar  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:28:28pm

re: #397 Gretchen G.Tiger

What is the standard of currency in the Zombie Nation?

Brains

402 Kragar  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:29:01pm

re: #398 Lidane

Ammo. And speed. And endurance.

Basically, the very rich won't be in charge. It will be the very fast.

If you have to run, its already too late.

403 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:32:34pm

re: #402 Kragar

If you have to run, its already too late.

True.

The bigger threat is the other survivors anyway. Sooner or later, they're all going to turn on you and use you for bait.

404 Kragar  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:37:18pm

re: #403 Lidane

True.

The bigger threat is the other survivors anyway. Sooner or later, they're all going to turn on you and use you for bait.

Too many people fail to engage the zombies in the various scenarios. Be willing to engage and thin out their numbers when possible.

405 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:38:11pm

re: #404 Kragar

Too many people fail to engage the zombies in the various scenarios. Be willing to engage and thin out their numbers when possible.

Just be mindful of your surroundings. The noise you're making thinning out the herd is gonna carry for blocks, if not miles, in the silence of a dead world.

406 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:39:30pm

re: #396 lostlakehiker

because after four years of depression-level unemployment

Not even close. The lowest unemployment of the depression was higher than the highest level of this recession, and spiked as high as 25%.

Believe it or not, reasonable people can also disagree about the wisdom of winning, through regulatory decrees and court actions, what goes by the name of "marriage equality". "You" will win it in due course through elections and referendums. Won that way, it won't carry in its wake unwanted side effects such as, perhaps, the legalization of polygamy.

LOL. Fuckin' ridiculous. Your entire objection could've been just as applicably written regarding Loving v. Virginia. Fact is that you're just happy to enable bigoted trash because basic questions of civil rights simply don't matter to you.

But I've seen this phenomenon called "adverse selection" at work. There's a dynamic that results in collapse of the insurance market, when those who know they are not at risk need not buy now, because they can wait and buy later, while those who have health problems now sign up to pay small premiums now and get big expenses covered now.

Hence, the mandate.

407 Kragar  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:41:18pm

re: #405 Targetpractice

Just be mindful of your surroundings. The noise you're making thinning out the herd is gonna carry for blocks, if not miles, in the silence of a dead world.

Thinking of the awful dawn of the dead remake a few years back. They're playing a stupid game where they're trying to pick out specific zombies to kill as a game to play. Those dumb bastards should have been spending every waking hour putting down as many as they could from their secure location.

408 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:43:32pm

re: #407 Kragar

Thinking of the awful dawn of the dead remake a few years back. They're playing a stupid game where they're trying to pick out specific zombies to kill as a game to play. Those dumb bastards should have been spending every waking hour putting down as many as they could from their secure location.

At the same time, short of building some underground manufacturing plant, they had a limited supply of ammunition. Once they burned through that, it was going hand to hand with the undead bastards. And I don't know 'bout you, but I'd have a hard time fighting hand to hand with the Romero-style zombies, let alone fast zombies.

409 Kragar  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:45:46pm

re: #408 Targetpractice

At the same time, short of building some underground manufacturing plant, they had a limited supply of ammunition. Once they burned through that, it was going hand to hand with the undead bastards. And I don't know 'bout you, but I'd have a hard time fighting hand to hand with the Romero-style zombies, let alone fast zombies.

They had a full mall. It called gravity. 25lb weight attached to a length of chain on a winch. Drop weight, reel it back up. Same deal can be used with lengths of pipes, power tools, etc, all the crap they had when they rigged up their death trap vans.

410 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:47:40pm

re: #409 Kragar

They had a full mall. It called gravity. 25lb weight attached to a length of chain on a winch. Drop weight, reel it back up. Same deal can be used with lengths of pipes, power tools, etc, all the crap they had when they rigged up their death trap vans.

Yeah, talk about jokes. Really, the time and resources wasted on those could have gone into producing safe ways of gathering supplies from the rest of the city.

411 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:49:47pm

I'm kind of done with bigoted fuckwits advocating that minority civil rights should be put up for a popular vote / referendum.

412 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:55:28pm

re: #411 goddamnedfrank

I'm kind of done with bigoted fuckwits concern-trolling about how pursuing civil rights through the courts will lead to backlash, and how we'll totally regret it.

413 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 10:59:04pm

re: #411 goddamnedfrank

I'm kind of done with bigoted fuckwits advocating that minority civil rights should be put up for a popular vote / referendum.

Ugh. The Luap Nor fantasy of how the Civil War shouldn't have happened because the South would have voted to end slavery voluntarily irritates me to no end.

It's like the assholes who want to put marriage equality to a vote. WTF. Do gay and lesbian couples getting married suddenly change any of the rights and privileges that straight couples have? No? Then STFD and STFU. It's basic human decency to extend equal rights across the board.

414 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:02:56pm
415 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:03:24pm

It's useless to debate people who can't seem to follow one "train of thought". Just learned that lesson for the gazillionth time on fb. I'm on one level, they are on another.

So frustrating.

416 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:04:49pm

re: #413 Lidane

Ugh. The Luap Nor fantasy of how the Civil War shouldn't have happened because the South would have voted to end slavery voluntarily irritates me to no end.

It's like the assholes who want to put marriage equality to a vote. WTF. Do gay and lesbian couples getting married suddenly change any of the rights and privileges that straight couples have? No? Then STFD and STFU. It's basic human decency to extend equal rights across the board.

The same people who often tell us that we are all G-d's children and are equal in his eyes are very quick to judge themselves superior to others on Earth.

417 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:05:48pm

re: #404 Kragar

Too many people fail to engage the zombies in the various scenarios. Be willing to engage and thin out their numbers when possible.

Good to remember. Always Engage Zombies.

418 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:06:00pm
419 Lidane  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:12:16pm

re: #416 Gretchen G.Tiger

The same people who often tell us that we are all G-d's children and are equal in his eyes are very quick to judge themselves superior to others on Earth.

American Exceptionalism!

///

420 Targetpractice  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:13:24pm

re: #418 Lidane

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At this point, he pretty much has to hope today yields a live boy or dead girl in Obama's bed.

421 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:27:40pm

I see that Eric son of Erick's website, RedState, has as its top headline a story with ACORN!! in it.

Yeah, they're so trendy.

422 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:34:30pm

re: #396 lostlakehiker

I disagree with all your arguments but they are reasonable in most cases and clearly put.

We are not "nationalizing" health care, we are just levelling the playing field. I admire the American values of individual initiative and self-reliance, but I do not see how we can expect individuals and families with limited resources to negotiate on even terms with multi-billion dollar international corporations for health care, financial services or terms of employment.

423 freetoken  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:39:42pm

re: #422 AK-47%

We are not "nationalizing" health care, ...

But perhaps we should? It seems like we're willing to settle for a circus of middle-men (insurance companies) and a mountain of hoops through which to jump instead.

424 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:43:03pm

re: #423 freetoken

But perhaps we should? It seems like we're willing to settle for a circus of middle-men (insurance companies) and a mountain of hoops through which to jump instead.

There are reasonable systems in which a combination of private comanies and state-mandated companies work together just fine. I live in one (Germany) where they even generated a surplus last year.

425 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:43:49pm

re: #423 freetoken

But perhaps we should? It seems like we're willing to settle for a circus of middle-men (insurance companies) and a mountain of hoops through which to jump instead.

I'm beginning to think that single-payer would take away alot of opportunity for fraud and fees. Remember, every time money changes hands, some one get's a cut and that just raises costs.

This mess we are in now just seems like a dream for the siphon makers.

426 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:45:09pm

we're certainly not nationalizing health care, far from it. we're not even nationalizing (or 'socializing') health insurance, the way they do in canada. as a matter of fact, obamacare enshrines private health insurance in a way that pissed off millions of progressives that were hanging their hopes on the institution of a nationalized health insurer - the "public option" - that was given up in negotiations

the biggest myth about obamacare is that it did anything remotely resembling nationalizing or socializing health insurance or health care - so please stop repeating it!

427 Kragar  Sun, Nov 4, 2012 11:56:16pm
428 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 12:16:42am

re: #427 Kragar

I'm waiting for his political career to end. Hopefully an Obama win will destroy whatever RWNJ credibility he has left.

429 researchok  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 12:18:54am

Morning, all

430 freetoken  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 12:24:43am

re: #428 Lidane

His type never goes away. Some outlet will find a way to make money off his name. If lack of credibility could sideline a talking head, then Newt Gringrich would have disappeared long ago.

431 freetoken  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 12:27:52am
432 researchok  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 12:31:39am

re: #431 freetoken

Hank?

433 freetoken  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 12:32:52am

That was Hank Snow.

434 researchok  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 12:33:40am

re: #433 freetoken

Well, I has half right.

First half.

435 freetoken  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 12:38:17am

Per the artist's direction, this one now goes out to Mittens:

436 researchok  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 12:42:28am

re: #435 freetoken

Per the artist's direction, this one now goes out to Mittens:

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Yeah, that made me laugh.

437 freetoken  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 1:10:15am

A little bit of Liadov:

438 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 1:30:57am

re: #396 lostlakehiker

We didn't nationalize health care.

Why lie?

439 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 1:50:06am

I went off to research barometric pressure because it involves math and I can't remember anything concerning math.

Now off to bed.

Have a good one all!

(btw -1013.2 hpa is average)
(or 29.92 mercury (inHg))

440 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:17:07am

Why don't we have a "show users" button anymore? Just wondering.
Morning Honcos.

441 freetoken  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:18:08am
442 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:19:10am

re: #440 Cannadian Club Akbar

Why don't we have a "show users" button anymore? Just wondering.
Morning Honcos.

Charles is working on updating all the old code, and that's one of the pieces he's working on.

443 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:20:15am

re: #442 Obdicut

Charles is working on updating all the old code, and that's one of the pieces he's working on.

Kinda what I figured. Yesterday morning it had only one or zero names in it.

444 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:30:33am

Five things that could go wrong on Election Day in Florida
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

I have a bad feeling that this election is gonna be a clusterfuck, like RalphieBoy has said.

445 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:32:05am

re: #444 Cannadian Club Akbar

The GOP has put in a lot of effort to ensure that it will be. Hopefully the margin of victory in the swing states is high enough to obviate a lot of the legal challenges they're preparing.

446 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:34:54am

re: #445 Obdicut

The GOP has put in a lot of effort to ensure that it will be. Hopefully the margin of victory in the swing states is high enough to obviate a lot of the legal challenges they're preparing.

I'm more than sure both sides have teams, or battalions, of lawyers.

447 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:37:24am

re: #446 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm more than sure both sides have teams, or battalions, of lawyers.

Yes, but only one side-- the GOP-- had invested in a strategy of disenfranchising voters, and occasionally shockingly so, like the latest Ohio directive from the Secretary of State which blatantly contradicts state law and instructions he received from a court.

448 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:38:06am

Did Cam Newton and the Panthers predict a Romney win?
If the Redskins win at home, the incumbent party usually wins the presidential election. If the Redskins lose at home, the challenger usually prevails.
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

Heh. There was a morning show guy on the radio in Tampa who used to write the names of candidates for politics, sports, etc. on eggs and microwave them. First one to blow up would lose. Just as accurate.

449 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:45:52am

So after watching the Bucs game yesterday I stopped by my work to grab something for dinner. Pulled out my little discount card and as it turns out, the company gave all employees $10 because of the hurricane. They didn't need to do that but they did. Pretty cool.

450 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:48:50am

Pittsburgh Zoo investigates death of 2-year-old boy in wild dog pit
PITTSBURGH — A mother's attempt to give her 2-year-old son a better view of wild African dogs turned into a tragedy at the Pittsburgh Zoo after the boy fell into the exhibit and was killed by a pack of the animals as relatives and bystanders looked on.
[Link: www2.timesdispatch.com...]

451 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:52:53am

re: #446 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm more than sure both sides have teams, or battalions, of lawyers.

Lawyers might not be enough. I'm up for sending the Union Army and the Freedman's Bureau back in to suppress the New Jim Crow.

452 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:56:49am

Holy Crap!!!
[Link: www.wfaa.com...]

453 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:57:17am

re: #451 Decatur Deb

Lawyers might not be enough. I'm up for sending the Union Army and the Freedman's Bureau back in to suppress the New Jim Crow.

But, but, the democrats are even more worser!!!...

Are you serious?

There are so many ways for Obama to steal this election that if he doesn't win a second term then he is sleeping at the wheel.

1. Electronic balloting machines voting for Obama (this is actually a current news item).
2. Ballots missing in transit to be counted.
3. Ballots being destroyed beyond recognition.
4. Dead people voting.
5. Voting in more than one precinct and more than one state.
6. Denying absentee ballots to the military by delaying their delivery.
7. Having a foreign power count some of our votes (Spain comes to mind).
8. Having Chris Matthews count some of our votes
9. Have the black panthers intimidate people from voting.
10. Have the UN intimidate people from voting.
11. Have the international courts invalidate our ballots.
12. Have any court invalidate our ballots.
13. Hanging Chads
14. Pregnant Chads
15. Missing Chads (okay, it sounded cool)
16. Illegals voting
17. Non resident aliens voting
18. Legal challenges to the SoS declaring electorates for their state
19. Legislatures electing to choose the electors themselves
20. Electorates thinking they know best and vote for Obama.
21. Electorates in fear for their lives voting for Obama.
22. House of Representatives invalidate the Electoral College and vote for the president themselves.
23. MSM declaring the results, though they are nothing of reality, declaring Obama winner.
24. Obama declaring himself winner and the MSM ridicule anyone that questions his declaration.
25. Military Coup
26. Nation wide martial law implemented
27. Alien invasion from Mars

and of course the Chicago favorite, stuffing the ballot box

A youtube video shows the airing of the announcement of Obama winning the election two weeks before the election. You can see it at

So the video shows Obama winning over Romney with approximately 40M to 38M popular vote. Is this a signal to the Romney camp that the MSM will steal the election regardless of the outcome?

I have said before, it is not who counts the votes and it is not who casts the votes, but it is who reports the results that truly matter. The American people will believe anything they see on their televisions in their living rooms. Most believe that three towers came down by fire and two planes. Forget physics, they saw it with their own eyes!
[Link: www.wnd.com...]

454 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 2:59:16am

re: #453 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

My $1000 bounty for Joesph Farah's mustache still stands.

455 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:06:05am

re: #453 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Wife and I are expecting a quiet day of Alabama pollwatching tomorrow, only because the state is so red there is no sense in screwing up the vote. TP challengers could appear here, but only because of some individual pathologies.

456 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:08:56am

re: #455 Decatur Deb

Good luck, hopefully you have a quiet and uneventful day. With any luck that will be true at most polling sites, the last thing we need is arguments and fisticuffs inside polling places.

457 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:09:14am

re: #455 Decatur Deb

I was a poll watcher in 2004. Pretty boring but the ladies there made sloppy Joes. That always helps.

458 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:12:52am

re: #456 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Good luck, hopefully you have a quiet and uneventful day. With any luck that will be true at most polling sites, the last thing we need is arguments and fisticuffs inside polling places.

It's a little worrisome that no one really vetted us. We could be total nutcases, yet we were given credentials. For instance, no one has ever told me not to bring a .357 to the polls. (I'll satisfy myself with my old shilleleagh, and wife can always get her walker up to ramming speed.)

459 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:13:43am

re: #458 Decatur Deb

It's a little worrisome that no one really vetted us. We could be total nutcases, yet we were given credentials. For instance, no one has ever told me not to bring a .357 to the polls. (I'll satisfy myself with my old shilleleagh, and wife can always get her walker up to ramming speed.)

Did you have a class?

460 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:15:48am

re: #459 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did you have a class?

Yeah, but it was mixed chaotically with a supper and party meeting in a restaurant. They're relying on things just being laid back. Mostly we were told to shut up and call for legal help.

461 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:17:15am

re: #460 Decatur Deb

Yeah, but it was mixed chaotically with a supper and party meeting in a restaurant. They're relying on things just being laid back. Mostly we were told to shut up and call for legal help.

Have you gotten a letter from the Republicans telling you what could happen to you legally if you cheat? I got one from the Democrat party.

462 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:18:31am

re: #461 Cannadian Club Akbar

Have you gotten a letter from the Republicans telling you what could happen to you legally if you cheat? I got one from the Democrat party.

Nope. Doubt if anyone is worried about a Dem win here.

463 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:19:45am

re: #462 Decatur Deb

Nope. Doubt if anyone is worried about a Dem win here.

I kinda figured it was SOP.

464 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:25:36am

I'm amazed that it never occurs to these idiots that the YouTube video above was just some technician trying out the system to see if results were appearing correctly before election night. I'm sure it wasn't meant to be broadcast, just shown on the internal monitors but someone had an oops moment. It happens...

They would rather turn it into some giant media conspiracy to knowingly broadcast false results, it boggles the mind. I'm pretty sure that if that graphic had shown Romney ahead instead of Obama we never would have heard of it at all.

465 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:27:05am

re: #464 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

I'm amazed that it never occurs to these idiots that the YouTube video above was just some technician trying out the system to see if results were appearing correctly before election night. I'm sure it wasn't meant to be broadcast, just shown on the internal monitors but someone had an oops moment. It happens...

They would rather turn it into some giant media conspiracy to knowingly broadcast false results, it boggles the mind. I'm pretty sure that if that graphic had shown Romney ahead instead of Obama we never would have heard of it at all.

Heh.

466 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:27:35am

re: #463 Cannadian Club Akbar

I kinda figured it was SOP.

Just checked--there are only 9 polling places in our city. Don't know if we have that many Dem pollwatchers.

467 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:35:44am

Good news!! I get to run to the ATM now to get the rent money because later will be, well, later. Sheesh. bbiab.

468 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 3:57:03am

re: #438 Obdicut

We didn't nationalize health care.

Why lie?

Because "nationalized health care" evokes images of people bleeding to death waiting in line to get into the government clinic, which is the image they want to spread.

469 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:06:12am

re: #468 AK-47%

Because "nationalized health care" evokes images of people bleeding to death waiting in line to get into the government clinic, which is the image they want to spread.

The funny part is that our health care system is already so much part of the government. Tons of the medical care given in this country is given at county hospitals, state hospitals, city clinics, and, of course, the state school teaching hospitals. Yet somehow, I don't see even among the rabid "don't nationalize health care" aficionados, a suggestion that we close down UCLA's medical facilities, or any other government hospital. In addition, all of the top hospitals in the US are non-profit hospitals; those who deeply love the profit motive as the root of all good usually can't deal with this fact.

I don't see any reason to nationalize health care, myself. We have a patchwork of for-profit, government, and non-profit hospitals, and the level of care delivered is excellent. We do need to get more doctors doing primary care instead of specialties-- the wait time in the US for a primary care doc is longer than in most first world countries-- and the best way to do that is through single-payer insurance. Which isn't nationalized health care.

470 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:06:27am

Good news. Decided to get half and half while out going to the ATM.:)

471 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:07:48am

Good morning Lizardia!

The UAW folks at my workplace GET TOMORROW OFF AS A PAID HOLIDAY. But we lowly contract employees must show up.

472 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:10:51am

re: #471 Sheila Broflovski

I'm going to a union meeting in a couple of days that's basically about "How can we get people into unions again?"

The main problem is the huge amount of union-busting allowed by the current law, or by lax enforcement of current law. I'm sure you know about Wal-Mart's union-busting activities, but in general, the legislative and law enforcement climate has gotten worse and worse for unions.

Hopefully these last few years will be a nadir of worker's rights, and we'll be able to claw back lost ground.

473 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:15:58am

re: #472 Obdicut

I'm going to a union meeting in a couple of days that's basically about "How can we get people into unions again?"

The main problem is the huge amount of union-busting allowed by the current law, or by lax enforcement of current law. I'm sure you know about Wal-Mart's union-busting activities, but in general, the legislative and law enforcement climate has gotten worse and worse for unions.

Hopefully these last few years will be a nadir of worker's rights, and we'll be able to claw back lost ground.

There is a proposal on the ballot in my state to grant collective bargaining rights in the state constitution. The anti-unions have been spamming the airwaves and postal mail with hysterical attack ads.

474 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:16:28am

re: #471 Sheila Broflovski

Good morning Lizardia!

The UAW folks at my workplace GET TOMORROW OFF AS A PAID HOLIDAY. But we lowly contract employees must show up.

They should make election day for President a national holiday. Just take away Columbus Day.

475 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:17:33am

re: #469 Obdicut

It is as much a part of our ideology and mythology as it has to do with any current reality: back when you went to the country doctor with a couple of chickens to pay for your tratment.

And our emergency rooms find themselves treating a lot of cases that would never see an emergency room if we would simply invest in preventive care, but that is the sort of thing that just does not fit into the bottom-line orientation of most private health care providers.

476 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:17:40am

re: #224 CuriousLurker

ZOMG, 5.5 days without electricity. Even worse, no political fix this close to an election!

As of 55 minutes ago we have light, heat, and will soon have hot water again! *happy dance*

{{{CL}}}

SO GLAD TO HAVE YOU BACK!

477 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:18:57am

re: #474 Cannadian Club Akbar

They should make election day for President a national holiday. Just take away Columbus Day.

Change it to "Columbus Came Here to Ensure That Some Day White People Would Be Able To Institute Democracy Day"

/

478 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:20:29am

re: #477 AK-47%

Change it to "Columbus Came Here to Ensure That Some Day White People Would Be Able To Institute Democracy Day"

/

Not sure if that will fit on a bumper sticker, but I like it!!
////

479 Flounder  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:20:45am

This morning I meandered into my office, logged onto LGF, and surprise, surprise, I made the bottom 10!!!!!
Tell me Jack, what did I win!?
Luckily I never check my karma, because it is bad karma to check your karma.
Good morning Lizards!

480 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:21:47am

re: #479 Shropshire_Slasher

This morning I meandered into my office, logged onto LGF, and surprise, surprise, I made the bottom 10!!!!!
Tell me Jack, what did I win!?
Luckily I never check my karma, because it is bad karma to check your karma.
Good morning Lizards!

No. You didn't just make it. You're numero uno.

481 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:28:28am

re: #478 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not sure if that will fit on a bumper sticker, but I like it!!
////

"CCHTETSDWPWBATID Day!"

482 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:30:15am

re: #481 AK-47%

"CCHTETSDWPWBATID Day!"

Kinda rolls off the tongue, doesn't it?

483 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:34:13am

re: #482 Cannadian Club Akbar

Kinda rolls off the tongue, doesn't it?

Well, it does kind of scrape itself out of your larynx, yes...

484 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:34:32am

re: #481 AK-47%

"CCHTETSDWPWBATID Day!"

Phlegm, lots of phlegm.

485 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:40:12am

re: #479 Shropshire_Slasher

This morning I meandered into my office, logged onto LGF, and surprise, surprise, I made the bottom 10!!!!!
Tell me Jack, what did I win!?
Luckily I never check my karma, because it is bad karma to check your karma.
Good morning Lizards!

Well, unfortunately you didn't bother to read the thread and made an ignorant comment with a kind of contemptuous flair to it. That's always a golden ticket to the bottom comments.

486 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:40:27am

Keith Paro, West Springfield Man, Allegedly Used A Python To Beat His Girlfriend
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Add obvious joke here.

487 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:42:31am

re: #486 Cannadian Club Akbar

Keith Paro, West Springfield Man, Allegedly Used A Python To Beat His Girlfriend
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

Add obvious joke here.

Talk about giving her the Full Monty.

488 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:45:00am

86.3%

13.7%

489 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:46:54am

re: #487 AK-47%

Talk about giving her the Full Monty.

I was gonna say he should have jammed the python in a plugged in toaster and tossed it to her, but I like your comment, too.

490 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:50:38am

Pregnant Zombie Arrested For Alleged DUI: Alabama Cops Responding To Murder Find Drunk Woman
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

491 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 4:53:21am

re: #488 Varek Raith

86.3%

13.7%

Amazing: Mitt's chances are even lower than his tax rate!!!

492 Flounder  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:06:31am

re: #485 Obdicut

I read the article and came to a different conclusion, it's all good. I probably should not have used saunter, maybe waltz?! How did your volunteer effort go?

493 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:08:35am

re: #224 CuriousLurker

Welcome back to the powered and connected masses. A lot of folks here were worried about you. Glad that you're safe.

494 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:10:45am

re: #492 Shropshire_Slasher

I read the article and came to a different conclusion, it's all good. I probably should not have used saunter, maybe waltz?! How did your volunteer effort go?

How?
He changed the rules at the last second.
Why do that?
;)

495 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:11:26am

re: #492 Shropshire_Slasher

I read the article and came to a different conclusion, it's all good.

No it's not, dude. You were just wrong. The Ohio state law, and the judgement of the court is very clear: The obligation is for the poll worker to note the ID, not the voter. What is unclear about this to you?

496 Flounder  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:19:52am

re: #495 Obdicut

This is what I wrote:

Okay, please correct me if I am wrong. If you saunter into a polling place in Ohio, and your name is not on the voting list, they give you a provisional ballot. On the provisional ballot it is your responsibility to fill it out correctly. If you do not do so, your vote doesn't count. That seems reasonable to me.

I did not mention what you wrote, please do not put words in my mouth.

497 dragonath  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:21:54am
498 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:28:22am

re: #496 Shropshire_Slasher

This is what I wrote:

Okay, please correct me if I am wrong. If you saunter into a polling place in Ohio, and your name is not on the voting list, they give you a provisional ballot. On the provisional ballot it is your responsibility to fill it out correctly. If you do not do so, your vote doesn't count. That seems reasonable to me.

I did not mention what you wrote, please do not put words in my mouth.

You put those words in your own mouth.

499 iossarian  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:30:40am

re: #497 dragonath

Romney Avoided Taxes Through Netherlands

:/

Of course.

All perfectly legal* means, of course, but unavailable to the middle-income suckers voting for Mitt and his personal tax cut program.

* By which I mean that the legal fees you incur in tying up the courts amount to less than the money you save in the first place by avoiding taxes.

500 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:30:53am

re: #496 Shropshire_Slasher

they give you a provisional ballot. On the provisional ballot it is your responsibility to fill it out correctly.

Again, this is wrong. It is up to the poll worker to fill out the section related to ID.

This is Ohio State Law:

Ohio Rev. Code § 3505.181(B)(6) provides that, once a voter casting a provisional ballot proffers identification, ‘the appropriate local election official shall record the type of identification provided, the social security number information, the fact that the affirmation was executed, or the fact that the individual declined to execute such an affirmation and include that information with the transmission of the ballot.'

What are you not understanding?

501 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:33:21am

re: #497 dragonath

As someone who is Frisian-Dutch in part (38.5%), this makes total sense. Netherlands has a nice veneer to it, but in reality, they aren't as great as they seem.

For example, the much vaunted "Dutch Tolerance?" Well, not quite they grudgingly accept the presence of those who are "others." But, as shown with the Holocaust, they had no issue with fully cooperating with the Nazi Occupation.

502 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:37:06am

re: #501 ProGunLiberal

Yeah, that's why, when the Nazis started deporting Jews, the Dutch held a national strike.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It's sad to see you're back to your usual group blame bullshit.

The Dutch had a mix of collaborators and people who risked their lives to hide Jews and otherwise resist the Nazis.

503 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:38:25am

Great.
A nor'easter.

504 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:39:29am

re: #503 Varek Raith

It's a planning nightmare. In places with generators hooked up, do you leave 'em there or try to secure them during the weather? How much flooding are we going to get again?

This is the New Normal, too. This is what we have to look forwards to for hundreds of years.

505 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:39:31am

re: #502 Obdicut

Yeah, that's why, when the Nazis started deporting Jews, the Dutch held a national strike.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It's sad to see you're back to your usual group blame bullshit.

The Dutch had a mix of collaborators and people who risked their lives to hide Jews and otherwise resist the Nazis.

We are going on a vacation to Israel at the end of the month, our itinerary includes a 24-hour layover in Amsterdam. I am visiting the Anne Frank Museum. Zedushka plans to go to one of those cannabis cafes.

506 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:39:56am

re: #503 Varek Raith

Great.
A nor'easter.

I'll take the blame for the hurricane but I'm putting this square on your shoulders.:)

507 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:40:24am

re: #505 Sheila Broflovski

We are going on a vacation to Israel at the end of the month, our itinerary includes a 24-hour layover in Amsterdam. I am visiting the Anne Frank Museum. Zedushka plans to go to one of those cannabis cafes.

Just in time. I think they're going members-only in 2013.

508 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:41:20am

re: #507 Obdicut

Just in time. I think they're going members-only in 2013.

OUTRAGEOUS!

509 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:42:09am

re: #508 Varek Raith

OUTRAGEOUS!

If we could just figure out a way to get them to chill out.

510 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:42:28am

re: #502 Obdicut

How else do you explain the 75% death rate in the Netherlands exactly? The only other nations with higher rates were directly ruled by the Nazis, or were extremely heavy collaborators (The 3 Baltic States). Greece is the only exception to that rule, and I am not sure of the context there.

Yes, they did one strike. Didn't seem to help. Compare to Denmark and Norway. The people there made a good effort to save a large number of Jews.

511 dragonath  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:43:04am

re: #501 ProGunLiberal

You'd make a great travel agent.

512 Flounder  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:43:29am

re: #500 Obdicut

Again, under Ohio law, it is the voters responsibility to fill out the provisional ballot, and the poll workers responsibility to VERIFY information with voters ID, NOT FILL OUT THE FORM.
The election official make a check mark under what type of ID was used to check against the voters information.

513 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:43:51am

re: #511 dragonath

You'd make a great travel agent.

Department of Tsurism.

514 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:44:11am

re: #505 Sheila Broflovski

I admit that the popularity of Geert Wilders has colored my perspective of the nation.

515 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:44:40am

re: #504 Obdicut

The coast is going to get hammered again, and there will be more coastal flooding, but the problems wont be as severe inland though we'll see more rain from this storm than from Sandy here. The utilities that have gotten power restored ahead of the storm may see the Nor'easter undo some of that work, especially directly along the coast and Long Island.

In my area, PSEG has been surveying their lines and cutting trees that may be leaning up against their lines, but there's no way they can do a comprehensive clearing of lines to prevent further outages if the winds take out trees already weakened by Sandy. People might get power back today and tomorrow, only to be plunged back into darkness Wed-Thurs.

516 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:44:50am

re: #511 dragonath

You'd make a great travel agent.

Come to the Imperial City!
Or I'll death star your ass.

517 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:45:51am

re: #516 Varek Raith

Panem could use a tour guide.

518 kirkspencer  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:48:14am

re: #496 Shropshire_Slasher

This is what I wrote:

Okay, please correct me if I am wrong. If you saunter into a polling place in Ohio, and your name is not on the voting list, they give you a provisional ballot. On the provisional ballot it is your responsibility to fill it out correctly. If you do not do so, your vote doesn't count. That seems reasonable to me.

I did not mention what you wrote, please do not put words in my mouth.

So you're saying you wanted a correction but didn't bother to read any of the corrections, neither the calm nor the snark. got it.

Obdicut just posted but let me make it simpler. You're wrong. The only part the voter is responsible for is the vote. The poll worker is responsible for filling out the identification block to include what form of ID the voter presented.

And what drew the response from Obdi to which you replied was your snark. The "should have used waltz instead of saunter" remark.

You're wrong. In my world adults who are wrong acknowledge it and change their positions at least enough to quit being wrong.

519 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:48:53am

re: #517 lawhawk

Panem could use a tour guide.

Watching the movie, I was kind of puzzled why all the people of District 12 dressed like it was the 1930's. Then I wondered if The Capitol required all the different districts to conform to specific historical periods, like reenactment villages, for the purpose of tourism.

It really didn't make any sense otherwise.

520 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:49:40am

Battle Royale >>> Hunger Games.

521 iossarian  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:51:09am

re: #520 Varek Raith

Battle Royale >>> Hunger Games.

From your specific case I abstract the rule:

Original expressions of culture >>> Capitalist efforts to glom onto same and make money

522 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:51:27am

re: #510 ProGunLiberal

How else do you explain the 75% death rate in the Netherlands exactly?

The Dutch had really excellent state records which allowed the Jews to be identified easily, escape from the Netherlands was very, very difficult, there was general disbelief that genocide was occurring or would occur, and Dutch society was highly balkanized by religion.

The only other nations with higher rates were directly ruled by the Nazis, or were extremely heavy collaborators (The 3 Baltic States). Greece is the only exception to that rule, and I am not sure of the context there.

Try actually reading history instead of making dumb assumptions based on blank statistics.

Yes, they did one strike.

No, they did a series of strikes. Seriously, dude, why not actually read the history? Is there some reason you prefer spouting falsehoods about the holocaust to actually getting it right? This is seriously fucking irritating.

[Link: www2.webster.edu...]

Why was loss of life so high in the Netherlands? Were the Dutch particularly anti-Semitic or callous? The answer to both is "no". More Dutch have been honored by Yad Vashem, the Holocaust Martyrs' and Heroes' Remembrance Authority in Israel, as "righteous gentiles" than from any other country. However, several factors, some of which made escape during those five days impossible, are responsible for this tragic loss of life , primarily, the Netherland's unique geographic and cultural features.

Attempts at escape from the Netherlands under Nazi control were virtually impossible. First, countries bordering on the Netherlands were under German control. Thus, flight across the Dutch border only meant entrance into another Nazi controlled country. Second, the west and north borders of the Netherlands consist of North Sea coastline. Safe passage through German patrolled waters was highly dangerous.

Additionally, the Netherlands in 1940 was a densely populated country. The land mass is approximately one and a half time the size of Massachusetts. Yet, it was home to over nine million individuals. The land was flat providing little forested, mountainous terrain suited for partisan activity or refuge. In essence, the geography of the Netherlands provided no place to run and few places to hide.

Culturally, Dutch society was stratified largely on the basis of religion. Thus, close friendships between Jews and Christians were uncommon in war-time Holland. This made it difficult for Jews to find a place of hiding within the homes of Gentile neighbors - individuals that they did not know. For those Jews with Christian friends, to accept shelter carried with it the knowledge that discovery placed their friend's lives into jeopardy. Additionally, most Jews who went into hiding did so as individuals. Rarely, were entire families hidden as in the case of the Franks. Thus, to go into hiding not only endangered the well-being of one's Gentile benefactors but often meant abandoning other family members including elder parents, spouses, siblings, or children.

The Holocaust is an important subject. Please do not shit all over it with your bizarre desire to blame entire groups and flatten history into a black and white affair. Please.

523 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:51:29am

re: #519 Sheila Broflovski

They had to show just how destitute the districts were, and 12 is considered the poorest of them. Scratching to get by, even as some of the other districts were in much better shape. Guess 30s depression-wear is the way to go.

524 iossarian  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:53:25am

Can't stay for the repartee unfortunately.

525 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 5:55:46am

re: #522 Obdicut

Okay, wan't aware of the last part, the society being economically stratified religiously would make it nearly impossible to hide.

Still, the fact that Wilders became so powerful sickens me.

526 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:00:31am

re: #525 ProGunLiberal

Okay, wan't aware of the last part, the society being economically stratified religiously would make it nearly impossible to hide.

You apparently weren't aware of anything I had said, yet still felt fit to condemn the entirety of the Dutch people. Why did you do that? Why did you talk a bunch of crap about the Holocaust, and do you understand that, of all subjects for you to speak with zero knowledge and a desire to affix group blame, the holocaust is one of the worst choices?

Still, the fact that Wilders became so powerful sickens me.

That's great, dude. Wilders gains power now, so you decide to condemn the 1940s era Dutch. Awesome fucking logic there.

527 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:05:35am

Mornin' everyone...what's cookin?

528 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:06:13am

I'm so glad I'm not commuting into NYC this morning.

NJ Transit is an absolute mess. They claimed that they had service restored on a couple of lines, but here's what that meant.

For Main/Port Jervis, it was 7 trains inbound in the morning, and 3 would get to NYC after what's normally considered rush hour (10-11am). No reverse commute trains. In the PM, you'd have the same situation - 7 outbound trains, with staggered times that include times outside rush hour.

Those attempting to do the commute found themselves in a mess - serious overcrowding. The overcrowding was so bad that #NJTransit suspended service and force people who were already waiting for trains to go and attempt bus service into Manhattan.

Meanwhile, bus service isn't much better. Mrs. Lawhawk who had to get to court this morning, had to let three buses pass her by with SRO before she found one with a seat. That's crazy.

But, once she got into the city, the commute was much smoother. #MTA has done a phenomenal job in restoring service, including to Lower Manhattan and service was being added faster than the MTA cartographers could update their service maps (which are being updated daily). When you think of all the millions of people who rely on the subways, Joe Lhota has done a tremendous job in getting service restored, even though some stations may be out of commission for a while - particularly in the Rockaways and South Ferry. Other lines are being bypassed because of lower ridership and the need to concentrate on the routes that have the ability to restore service to the greatest numbers of people in the shortest time. It means that some areas are still cutoff, including Williamsburg, Coney Island, and parts of Lower Manhattan, but if someone did a time lapse of the service maps, you'd see just how fast the service was restored.

Now, going forward the question will be how to prevent the disruptions we've seen from getting as bad as they were.

For starters - the feds and states ought to consider legislation requiring all gas stations to retrofit with generators (and in flood-prone areas - sufficiently elevated to reduce chances for disruption). That would allow people to refuel, and to power their generators to get power back quicker. It would alleviate traffic considerably and hasten the recovery rather than lose time to waiting in lines for gas.

NY should have implemented even/odd gas fill ups just as NJ did for affected counties. It's alleviated some of the lines around Bergen County - but restoring power does that even more.

NYS has to pony up to fund the MTA to get more storm mitigation in place - better drainage/pumping systems/flood gates to prevent the tunnels from getting swamped.

And in NJ, they've got to take a critical look at NJ Transit and how they were ill-prepared to deal with the storm and the after-effects. Did they not realize that people would attempt a commute during rush hour and the limited trains they would run would get overcrowded due to conditions.

It's the same problem they had after last year's storms (Irene and Lee). Now, we're going to see just how slow NJ Transit will be in restoring service, though it's not all their fault - PSEG has to restore power so that NJ Transit rail signals/gates can function. But that's another place where backup generators could make a difference.

529 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:07:07am

re: #526 Obdicut

I was aware of the geography of the Netherlands, but not of how Pre-WWII Netherlands society was structured.

530 dragonath  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:08:40am

re: #525 ProGunLiberal

Okay, wan't aware of the last part, the society being economically stratified religiously would make it nearly impossible to hide.

Still, the fact that Wilders became so powerful sickens me.

Your misguided concept of collective blame is the same fucking logic the Nazis used against the Jews. Whatever point you're trying to make, stop it.

531 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:08:46am

re: #527 darthstar

Mornin' everyone...what's cookin?

Mah head.

532 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:09:18am

re: #529 ProGunLiberal

I was aware of the geography of the Netherlands, but not of how Pre-WWII Netherlands society was structured.

Then you were already aware there were substantially good reasons for the death toll to be higher from the Netherlands, but still decided to blame the Dutch people for it. You realize that's actually worse behavior on your part, right?

533 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:09:51am

re: #531 Gus

Mah head.

I suggest a long slow simmer with cardamon and shoe polish.

534 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:11:38am

re: #533 Obdicut

I suggest a long slow simmer with cardamon and shoe polish.

With thyme.

535 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:12:10am

re: #532 Obdicut

No, I imgined the Dutch people would have been able to hide more people.
But when you don't even know the other religious group, that becomes rather difficult.

re: #530 dragonath

I am stopping it.

536 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:12:16am

re: #534 Varek Raith

With thyme.

Parsley, sage, rosemary...

537 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:12:52am

re: #536 Gus

Parsley, sage, rosemary...

You put miracle grow on your scalp, didn't you???

538 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:13:10am

Election day eve! Be afraid. Be very afraid.

539 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:13:30am

re: #531 Gus


I'd go with a green curry. Brings out the flavor. /

540 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:14:14am

re: #534 Varek Raith

With thyme.

Thyme heals all wounds.

541 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:14:40am

re: #539 lawhawk

I'd go with a green curry. Brings out the flavor. /

I should probably go with the fava beans and Chianti.

542 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:14:51am

re: #537 Varek Raith

You put miracle grow on your scalp, didn't you???

I put miracle grow on my penis...didn't work.

543 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:14:57am

re: #540 darthstar

Curry favor with those who will do right by you...

544 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:15:03am
545 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:16:01am

re: #502 Obdicut

Yeah, that's why, when the Nazis started deporting Jews, the Dutch held a national strike.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It's sad to see you're back to your usual group blame bullshit.

The Dutch had a mix of collaborators and people who risked their lives to hide Jews and otherwise resist the Nazis.

There's even a movie about it:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

546 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:16:07am

re: #535 ProGunLiberal

Dude. The Holocaust is not a subject where you should be 'imagining' and engaging in speculation. You obviously didn't bother to do an iota of research on the subject. It seems that your reason for wanting to place blame on the Dutch during the Holocaust is the actions of a minority of Dutch people today. This is egregiously bad behavior on your part.

There is tons and tons of good information available on the Holocaust out there. The various Holocaust Museums are a good place to start. If you have genuine interest, and don't just want to use the Holocaust as a political weapon against those you've decided you want to place group blame on, then read on the subject.

I had really hoped that in your absence you had lost your frightening desire to assign group blame. I am sad to see that's not the case.

547 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:17:22am

re: #543 lawhawk

Curry favor with those who will do right by you...

I felt the topic when I got here was a recipe for disaster.

548 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:18:45am

Huh. I didn't know that Wim Henneicke was assassinated by the Dutch resistance before the end of the war.

Good.

549 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:19:05am

re: #546 Obdicut

Dude. The Holocaust is not a subject where you should be 'imagining' and engaging in speculation. You obviously didn't bother to do an iota of research on the subject. It seems that your reason for wanting to place blame on the Dutch during the Holocaust is the actions of a minority of Dutch people today. This is egregiously bad behavior on your part.

There is tons and tons of good information available on the Holocaust out there. The various Holocaust Museums are a good place to start. If you have genuine interest, and don't just want to use the Holocaust as a political weapon against those you've decided you want to place group blame on, then read on the subject.

I had really hoped that in your absence you had lost your frightening desire to assign group blame. I am sad to see that's not the case.

In a nutshell: people who Godwin around here will have their asses fact-checked to oblivion.

550 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:19:34am

I feel like I walked into something.

551 dragonath  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:19:38am

re: #537 Varek Raith

You put miracle grow on your scalp, didn't you???

Teach your whiskers to behave
lotsa lather lotsa shave
Please hold still don't be a dope
Now we're ready for the scraping
there's no use to try escaping
it's no use you need a SHAAAAAAAVE....

Now, you're nice and clean
although your face
looks
like
it might have
gone through
a
ma-chine

552 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:20:11am

re: #550 Gus

I feel like I walked into something.

Benghazi.

553 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:20:32am

re: #545 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

There's even a movie about it:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

More than one:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

554 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:20:35am

re: #550 Gus

I feel like I walked into something.

Black hole? Wall? Time machine?

555 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:21:14am

re: #549 Sheila Broflovski

In a nutshell: people who Godwin around here will have their asses fact-checked to oblivion.

Well, it is election season, and Romney promised a chicken in every Pol Pot.
(too soon?)

556 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:21:23am

re: #554 Cannadian Club Akbar

Black hole? Wall? Time machine?

Look out for that...

TREE!

[Boom!]

[Sound of birds chirping.]

557 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:21:52am

And here come the page wars. Yippee!

558 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:22:24am

re: #554 Cannadian Club Akbar

Black hole? Wall? Time machine?

I think Kerry might just win this thing tomorrow and we'll get out of Iraq by 2008.

559 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:22:25am

re: #557 Gus

And here come the page wars. Yippee!

Jimmy? Satchel?

560 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:23:30am

re: #557 Gus

And here come the page wars. Yippee!

Son of nodroG is here to fuck some shit up!

561 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:23:49am

re: #558 darthstar

I think Kerry might just win this thing tomorrow and we'll get out of Iraq by 2008.

Vote Mitt Reagan!

562 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:24:09am

re: #559 Cannadian Club Akbar

Bettie!

563 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:24:15am

Good morning Lizards.

Last day of my vacation. Initial plans for travel were squashed by news of hurricane coming in (figured I wanted to be around in case anything happened to the home area.) Plans to use time for cleaning out the closet and other home agenda items squashed due to my friends in north Jersey getting flooded out and making my apartment a temporary refugee camp*. Though I also have not managed to kill anyone with my cooking yet either - I do have 4-5 days to make up for that still.

And I set a personal record for a grocery shopping trip yesterday - $240. A lot different food shopping for four for a week rather than one.

*- Feline Overlord has not been pleased. The staff increase has not resulted in improved service (other than more people willing to give him pets.) Routine has been disrupted, and the one sleeping area has been invaded and is not usable. He also finds a 4-year-old bouncing around the place disturbing. Too much energy and motion, plus she follows him around.

564 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:26:15am

re: #560 Sheila Broflovski

Son of nodroG is here to fuck some shit up!

Kicking some old skool right there!!!

565 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:27:29am

re: #560 Sheila Broflovski

Son of nodroG is here to fuck some shit up!

Sure is committed to on topic or region. Obsessed it seems.

566 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:30:48am

The Outlaws are coming in concert. Hmm...

567 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:32:04am
568 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:33:52am

On the plus side since the Playstation got evacuated as well I can play Skyrim if I want... ;p

569 makeitstopghazi  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:34:15am

Morning, Lizards,

After yesterday's religious scare-mongering by the Romney campaign, I'm wondering how they'll top it today.

Puppy-killing? Baby-eating? FEMA camps? Marshall (sic) Law?

So many nutjob theories, so little time...

570 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:38:45am
571 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:39:25am

Miss this?

Speaking at a Romney campaign office in Florida, Giuliani said

“[Obama] right now is doing a terrible job of disaster relief in my city, but no one is talking about it…People don’t have water, they don’t have food, electricity and his FEMA is no where to be found. This is a worse response than Katrina.”

572 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:40:03am

re: #569 makeitstop

Morning, Lizards,

After yesterday's religious scare-mongering by the Romney campaign, I'm wondering how they'll top it today.

Puppy-killing? Baby-eating? FEMA camps? Marshall (sic) Law?

So many nutjob theories, so little time...

573 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:41:01am

Good Morning,

24 hours from now I'll be helping people vote.

Which got me thinking about the reforms I'd like to see:
1) Move election day to Friday or Monday.
2) Make it a national holiday for a three day weekend.
3) Require all persons to have paid time off for voting.
4) Go to instant run-off voting
5) Have a single primary day 8 weeks prior to the general election.


This is just what I think needs to be done for the mechanics of voting. I'm not even thinking about the mess of CU right now.

574 makeitstopghazi  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:42:26am

re: #572 Cannadian Club Akbar

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And your point is....?

575 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:43:11am

re: #571 Gus

Miss this?

Speaking at a Romney campaign office in Florida, Giuliani said

“[Obama] right now is doing a terrible job of disaster relief in my city, but no one is talking about it…People don’t have water, they don’t have food, electricity and his FEMA is no where to be found. This is a worse response than Katrina.”

Didn't like, more than 1000 people die during Katrina? How is 80 casualties worse than 1000?

576 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:43:35am

re: #574 makeitstop

And your point is....?

You mentioned nutbar. I forgot to highlight that word.

577 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:43:47am

re: #575 Sheila Broflovski

Didn't like, more than 1000 people die during Katrina? How is 80 casualties worse than 1000?

The GOP is just making shit up. SNAFU

578 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:44:33am

What the f*ck does the Netherlands' history of the Holocaust have to do with Mitt using it as a tax loophole? Did he stash the money in the same attic that Anne Frank hid in or something?

579 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:44:43am

re: #571 Gus

Miss this?

Speaking at a Romney campaign office in Florida, Giuliani said

“[Obama] right now is doing a terrible job of disaster relief in my city, but no one is talking about it…People don’t have water, they don’t have food, electricity and his FEMA is no where to be found. This is a worse response than Katrina.”

Noun, verb, Katrina.

That's progress.

580 makeitstopghazi  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:45:11am

re: #576 Cannadian Club Akbar

You mentioned nutbar. I forgot to highlight that word.

I couldn't even tell what the guy was heckling about. Benghazi? (wild guess)

581 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:45:59am

re: #580 makeitstop

I couldn't even tell what the guy was heckling about. Benghazi? (wild guess)

Not sure either. But was obviously there to be a turd.

582 Mattand  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:49:52am
583 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:50:13am

re: #580 makeitstop

I couldn't even tell what the guy was heckling about. Benghazi? (wild guess)

He's either got glossy pics of fetuses or Justin Bieber on his sign...can't make them out.

584 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:52:51am

re: #582 Mattand

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I am curious to see what happens tomorrow when I go vote. I'll post a comment afterwards regardless reporting how at least my polling place is handling the issue.

585 makeitstopghazi  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:54:08am

re: #583 darthstar

He's either got glossy pics of fetuses or Justin Bieber on his sign...can't make them out.

There's a difference?
/

586 darthstar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:54:17am

He was born on the eve of winning his second presdential term...

587 makeitstopghazi  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:56:27am

Just an idle question here - in the event that the GOP's disenfranchisement schemes result in contested states, how hard do you expect Team Obama to fight back?

I would think they'd go tooth and nail, but I was wondering what you guys think.

588 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:57:52am

re: #587 makeitstop

Just an idle question here - in the event that the GOP's disenfranchisement schemes result in contested states, how hard do you expect Team Obama to fight back?

I would think they'd go tooth and nail, but I was wondering what you guys think.

I'll say this- it's a good time to be a lawyer.

589 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:58:20am

re: #587 makeitstop

There will be no rolling over.

Hopefully the GOP isn't actually going to really try that if the results of the election are clear enough. It'll be a rather transparent attempt if they do.

590 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:58:32am

re: #587 makeitstop

Just an idle question here - in the event that the GOP's disenfranchisement schemes result in contested states, how hard do you expect Team Obama to fight back?

I would think they'd go tooth and nail, but I was wondering what you guys think.

There are 2000-6000 lawyers deployed to the swing states. Lawyers are like artillery--if you got 'em you eventually use 'em.

591 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 6:58:32am

re: #571 Gus

That's the same Rudy Giuliani who agreed with Bloomberg to hold the NYC marathon.

Rudy, the city's response to the disaster is mixed.

The MTA has done a phenomenal job in getting service restarted.

Bloomberg's performance leaves much to be desired. Staten Island and the outer boroughs - Rockaways, Southern Brooklyn and Queens, are a mess. Not enough of a local, state and federal presence. It's coming, but not fast enough, and the damage is hard to comprehend.

Trying to compare Katrina to Sandy is apples to oranges. Population densities are a completely different tale. While Katrina's damage was on a scale never before seen in the US, the Gulf Coast has a population density of 178 people per square mile. New Jersey's got 1,189 inhabitants per square mile. New York City? 26,403 people per square mile. By comparison, the current population density of New Orleans is a fraction of that with 1,965 per square mile.

It's kinda tough to hear GOPers complain about the pace of FEMA asssitance when they have been busy complaining and calling for FEMA to be disbanded/privatized, etc. The same people who would seek to eliminate FEMA are the same ones complaining they aren't there fast enough and aren't taking steps to make sure it's funded in a way that it could respond with sufficient numbers to assist those in need.

592 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:01:24am

re: #591 lawhawk

That's the same Rudy Giuliani who agreed with Bloomberg to hold the NYC marathon.

Rudy, the city's response to the disaster is mixed.

The MTA has done a phenomenal job in getting service restarted.

Bloomberg's performance leaves much to be desired. Staten Island and the outer boroughs - Rockaways, Southern Brooklyn and Queens, are a mess. Not enough of a local, state and federal presence. It's coming, but not fast enough, and the damage is hard to comprehend.

Trying to compare Katrina to Sandy is apples to oranges. Population densities are a completely different tale. While Katrina's damage was on a scale never before seen in the US, the Gulf Coast has a population density of 178 people per square mile. New Jersey's got 1,189 inhabitants per square mile. New York City? 26,403 people per square mile. By comparison, the current population density of New Orleans is a fraction of that with 1,965 per square mile.

It's kinda tough to hear GOPers complain about the pace of FEMA asssitance when they have been busy complaining and calling for FEMA to be disbanded/privatized, etc. The same people who would seek to eliminate FEMA are the same ones complaining they aren't there fast enough and aren't taking steps to make sure it's funded in a way that it could respond with sufficient numbers to assist those in need.

Make a page! Please.

593 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:05:06am

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

There's an old saying: "Beware the long arm of the law."

To that, we add, "especially when its hand is touching itself in the squad car."

That's because a former police sergeant in Santa Fe, N.M., is in a touchy situation after the release of video caught on his own dash cam that suggests he had a graphic sexual conversation with himself and masturbated while on duty.

594 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:05:20am

I understand it's morning.

I've only had 1/2 cuppa, so I can't be entirely sure.

you?

595 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:06:35am

re: #590 Decatur Deb

There are 2000-6000 lawyers deployed to the swing states. Lawyers are like artillery--if you got 'em you eventually use 'em.

as I understand it, the skys in swing states are filled with the parachutes of lawyers dropping in.

596 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:08:07am

People that think that electrical power should be back up practically one-hour after a hurricane ends need to get their heads examined.

597 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:09:12am

re: #563 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Good morning Lizards.

Last day of my vacation. Initial plans for travel were squashed by news of hurricane coming in (figured I wanted to be around in case anything happened to the home area.) Plans to use time for cleaning out the closet and other home agenda items squashed due to my friends in north Jersey getting flooded out and making my apartment a temporary refugee camp*. Though I also have not managed to kill anyone with my cooking yet either - I do have 4-5 days to make up for that still.

And I set a personal record for a grocery shopping trip yesterday - $240. A lot different food shopping for four for a week rather than one.

*- Feline Overlord has not been pleased. The staff increase has not resulted in improved service (other than more people willing to give him pets.) Routine has been disrupted, and the one sleeping area has been invaded and is not usable. He also finds a 4-year-old bouncing around the place disturbing. Too much energy and motion, plus she follows him around.

A 4-year old! You are having and adventure. Feline Overlord will get used to it and eventually approve.

598 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:13:57am
599 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:14:18am

re: #563 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Please inform your feline overlord that it could be far worse. When my son was 2 he decided that he needed to share his nukkie with our then 15 year old feline overload and he chased her for almost the whole day trying to give her the pacifier...

600 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:14:54am

re: #598 Gus

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saw that on fb this am

601 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:15:15am

re: #599 William Barnett-Lewis

Please inform your feline overlord that it could be far worse. When my son was 2 he decided that he needed to share his nukkie with our then 15 year old feline overload and he chased her for almost the whole day trying to give her the pacifier...

What a nice boy . . .! LOL

602 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:15:36am

re: #599 William Barnett-Lewis

Please inform your feline overlord that it could be far worse. When my son was 2 he decided that he needed to share his nukkie with our then 15 year old feline overload and he chased her for almost the whole day trying to give her the pacifier...

He should have dipped it in fish oil.

603 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:17:58am

re: #599 William Barnett-Lewis

Please inform your feline overlord that it could be far worse. When my son was 2 he decided that he needed to share his nukkie with our then 15 year old feline overload and he chased her for almost the whole day trying to give her the pacifier...

When my son was 2, he tried to make friends with my parents' old feline overlord who, at that stage of his life, just wanted to rest on the heating vent. My son would yell "Tickle! Tickle!" and chase that poor old cat all over the house. When the feline overlord took refuge underneath the bed, my son thought "Whee! Hide and go see! Getcha! Gonna getcha! Tickle, tickle!"

604 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:18:18am

re: #599 William Barnett-Lewis

Please inform your feline overlord that it could be far worse. When my son was 2 he decided that he needed to share his nukkie with our then 15 year old feline overload and he chased her for almost the whole day trying to give her the pacifier...

She and her little stuffed animal cat want to play with him. He (for the most part) wants to be left alone in a warm place to snooze and have freedom to go about his business at a sedate pace. However, he is adjusting since he is now coming out to the living room in the evening to find a lap to nap on rather than just hiding in the bedroom.

The 4-year-old has been useful. She has been finding all the little toy catnip mice that are about the apartment. About three more than I thought existed.

605 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:18:22am

In line to vote, and it's snowing.

606 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:20:02am

Page based on my trip up into northern NJ on Saturday.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

607 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:20:53am

re: #604 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

She and her little stuffed animal cat want to play with him. He (for the most part) wants to be left alone in a warm place to snooze and have freedom to go about his business at a sedate pace. However, he is adjusting since he is now coming out to the living room in the evening to find a lap to nap on rather than just hiding in the bedroom.

The 4-year-old has been useful. She has been finding all the little toy catnip mice that are about the apartment. About three more than I thought existed.

Four years is a great age.

608 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:22:16am

re: #605 R.M, Ramallo

In line to vote, and it's snowing.

Hope it's not a 7hr Florida-quality line.

609 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:22:33am

Stanley Sea, check your ding on 606. ;)

610 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:25:42am
611 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:26:14am

re: #609 Gus

Any updates from reliable sources on the outrageous story of Mitt holding frost bitten children hostage?

612 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:26:23am

re: #608 Decatur Deb

Hope it's not a 7hr Florida-quality line.

These lines are really strange to me. We don't see them like that here in NY, and we have to get it all done in one day. Do we just have that many more polling stations?

613 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:26:27am

re: #610 Lidane

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ANOTHER, a recession within a recession, wrapped in magic underwear?

614 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:26:33am

re: #609 Gus

Stanley Sea, check your ding on 606. ;)

Gee, I know that my cooking hasn't finished them off yet, but no reason to down-ding me for it!

O_O

615 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:28:22am

re: #613 Gretchen G.Tiger

ANOTHER, a recession within a recession, wrapped in magic underwear?

His policies would stave off a recession for some time, enough time for his buddies to park their assets safely for the Mother of All Crashes to follow.

The other option is to vote for Obama, the Crash will come quicker...

616 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:28:46am

re: #614 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Gee, I know that my cooking hasn't finished them off yet, but no reason to down-ding me for it!

O_O

Just a mistake. :)

617 BeenHereAwhile  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:28:53am

re: #391 Kragar

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"Young Republicans are trying to break down my damn door. I was so careful. They know I'm here. Tell @FruzsE I love her. #RomneyDeathRally"

Is this the beginning of the Romney Zombie Apocalypse?

618 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:29:09am

re: #611 Killgore Trout

Any updates from reliable sources on the outrageous story of Mitt holding frost bitten children hostage?

I have no idea. Maybe you should check since you're still thinking about it.

619 makeitstopghazi  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:29:13am

re: #610 Lidane

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Campaign by extortion. Go home, Mitt.

620 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:29:32am
621 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:30:00am

re: #618 Gus

I have no idea. Maybe you should check since you're still thinking about it.

Troutrageous.

622 sagehen  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:30:09am

re: #587 makeitstop

Just an idle question here - in the event that the GOP's disenfranchisement schemes result in contested states, how hard do you expect Team Obama to fight back?

I would think they'd go tooth and nail, but I was wondering what you guys think.

You're right, they will. There's not going to be an Al Gore shrug, and the rank and file aren't going to take it sitting down either. The Unions and NAACP and Occupy and I don't even know who all else are prepped and ready to counter any Brooks Brothers rerun.

623 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:30:48am

re: #618 Gus

I have no idea. Maybe you should check since you're still thinking about it.

I took a quick look. Didn't see any mentions of frost bitten children or hostages in media reports of the rally. Maybe I missed it.

624 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:31:00am

re: #611 Killgore Trout

Any updates from reliable sources on the outrageous story of Mitt holding frost bitten children hostage?

I heard they are going to parachute in $5,000 worth of canned goods they bought at Walmart.

625 makeitstopghazi  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:31:33am

Well, now we know today's object of irrational obsession...

626 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:31:39am

re: #608 Decatur Deb

Hope it's not a 7hr Florida-quality line.

It's moving pretty quickly.
Lady in front of me brought a chair.

627 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:31:48am

re: #624 Sheila Broflovski

I heard they are going to parachute in $5,000 worth of canned goods they bought at Walmart.

And after that, they're going to pepper spray all the Obama GOTV volunteers.

628 kirkspencer  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:31:48am

I'm mildly concerned that Sandy will cause Obama to lose the popular vote. Not the electoral vote - I'm quite confident of 300+ EVs for Obama, as the storm suppression hits red, blue, and plaid with equal misery. But there are a LOT of people in the northeast who have slightly higher priorities than standing in line to vote.

629 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:33:12am

re: #627 Lidane

And after that, they're going to pepper spray all the Obama GOTV volunteers.

It's a spice.//

630 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:33:47am

re: #592 Gus

Paged... and expanded.

631 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:34:23am
632 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:34:29am

re: #630 lawhawk

Paged... and expanded.

Nice. Tweeted and recommended. But! Check your spelling of "Disingenuous." :D

633 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:34:42am

re: #629 Sheila Broflovski

It's a spice.//

Ask this girl for her recipe.
[Link: www.nbcnewyork.com...]

634 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:35:29am

re: #588 Cannadian Club Akbar

There's going to be a bunch of pro bono opportunities for lawyers to help their stricken communities deal with the paperwork that comes along with natural disasters as well. Dealing with insurance claims, recovering paperwork, taxes, etc.

635 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:36:29am

re: #628 kirkspencer

I'm mildly concerned that Sandy will cause Obama to lose the popular vote. Not the electoral vote - I'm quite confident of 300+ EVs for Obama, as the storm suppression hits red, blue, and plaid with equal misery. But there are a LOT of people in the northeast who have slightly higher priorities than standing in line to vote.

New Jersey kept their county clerk offices open by executive order this past weekend. My friends went and put in absentee ballots once we found the office (it had relocated due to lacking power). There was a line out the door of the building, but they said it moved fairly quickly and efficiently. Took about a half hour to get the ballot in.

They were issued the application form while in line. The filled in forms were then collected in set of ten, and there was a waiting area. Once their absentee ballot was printed out they were called up by name so that they could fill it out and and submit it.

636 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:37:00am

re: #632 Gus

Thanks. Fixed.

637 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:37:53am

re: #623 Killgore Trout

I took a quick look. Didn't see any mentions of frost bitten children or hostages in media reports of the rally. Maybe I missed it.

638 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:39:33am

re: #635 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Here in my corner of Bergen County, my usual polling place is closed due to storm damage, but it's been relocated to another part of town. Still easily accessible and while I expect it to be busy, things will go as well as can be expected under the circumstances.

Similarly, Gov. Christie eliminated the Sunday Blue Law by executive order so that stores can be open in Bergen County on Sunday to deal with disaster relief. That'll make a significant difference and help businesses also recover from disaster losses even if it means traffic will be worse on the usual business corridors (4/17/23/46, etc.)

639 OhNoZombies!  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:39:58am

Glad she is voting, but some silly girl has on flip flops.
Everyone else is bundled up for winter.

640 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:40:33am

re: #638 lawhawk

What's the Sunday Blue Law?

641 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:41:44am

re: #640 Cannadian Club Akbar

What's the Sunday Blue Law?

Old laws from the 1700's that do not allow business to be open on Sunday, sell alcohol on Sunday, etc.

642 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:41:50am

re: #640 Cannadian Club Akbar

What's the Sunday Blue Law?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

643 dragonath  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:44:08am

As far as Blue Laws go, I don't mind businesses having the day off, but the motivation is really screwy.

644 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:44:30am

re: #641 Sheila Broflovski

Old laws from the 1700's that do not allow business to be open on Sunday, sell alcohol on Sunday, etc.

There is a town where I was in Florida that doesn't allow alcohol sales on Sundays. But private clubs are exempt. The bar at the Moose Lodge would be 3 deep at 8AM. And not for coffee.

645 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:44:59am

re: #644 Cannadian Club Akbar

There is a town where I was in Florida that doesn't allow alcohol sales on Sundays. But private clubs are exempt. The bar at the Moose Lodge would be 3 deep at 8AM. And not for coffee.

State of Michigan does not allow alcohol sales before noon on Sunday.

646 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:45:35am

Good morning lizards!

647 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:45:58am

See also:

Colbert Super PAC | Making a Better Tomorrow, Tomorrow ...

648 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:45:58am

re: #640 Cannadian Club Akbar

In Bergen County, businesses other than essentials (gas stations, pharmacies, supermarkets) and a few select businesses - Judaica businesses that are normally closed Saturdays and bookstores, are required to be closed.

In some towns, it means that stores that sell stuff that might be found elsewhere - like cookware, can't be sold on Sunday either.

That also means places like Home Depot, Lowes, Ace and True Value stores can be open to provide gear folks need to make repairs.

Not sure how long the EO is in effect, but it seems like it was a one-day exemption (this past Sunday).

649 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:46:12am

re: #640 Cannadian Club Akbar

What's the Sunday Blue Law?

Germany still has them: no retail shops open on Sundays*

*with numerious ridiculous, arbitrary and stupid exceptions: gas stations can sell "travel requisites", which include beer, booze, chips, snacks, canned soup and titty magazines.
Shops in tourist areas can remain open on weekends during tourist season. Certain seasonal crops (asparagus, strawberries, etc.) can be sold on Sundays. Bakeries can be open up to three hours on a Sunday.

And shops can be open for a limited number of Sundays per year (thre or four, I think), usually in connection with some town fair or other major event.

Restaurants are not subject to these laws, but shops with a tourist exemption which sell foodstuffs may not offer warm food on Sundays because that would put them in competition with the restaurants.

So there we have an exemption to a rule and a further rule exempting an exemption.

All makes my American free-trade, 24/7 head hurt. Especially because people are being paid to make up and enforce these laws.

650 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:46:39am

re: #645 Sheila Broflovski

State of Michigan does not allow alcohol sales before noon on Sunday.

Tampa- no sales until 1PM. When I had season tix for the Bucs my friend and I would flip a coin to see who had to stand in line for beer and miss kickoff.

651 danarchy  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:47:28am

re: #643 dragonath

As far as Blue Laws go, I don't mind businesses having the day off, but the motivation is really screwy.

Problem is, most of the time, the businesses don't want the day off. Massachusetts just recently repealed our Blue Laws, it's nice to be able to run out and pick up a six pack before the Patriots game.

652 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:48:05am
653 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:48:17am

re: #641 Sheila Broflovski

Old laws from the 1700's that do not allow business to be open on Sunday, sell alcohol on Sunday, etc.

I remember visiting states below the Mason-Dixon line and some drug stores would cordon off the toys or magazines on Sunday.

654 sagehen  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:48:36am

re: #650 Cannadian Club Akbar

Tampa- no sales until 1PM. When I had season tix for the Bucs my friend and I would flip a coin to see who had to stand in line for beer and miss kickoff.

Because god forbid you should buy it the day before?

655 BeenHereAwhile  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:48:50am

re: #398 Lidane

re: #397 Gretchen G.Tiger

What is the standard of currency in the Zombie Nation?

Ammo. And speed. And endurance.

Basically, the very rich won't be in charge. It will be the very fast.

Rule # 1: Always double tap.

656 Mattand  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:48:54am

re: #644 Cannadian Club Akbar

There is a town where I was in Florida that doesn't allow alcohol sales on Sundays. But private clubs are exempt. The bar at the Moose Lodge would be 3 deep at 8AM. And not for coffee.

At least in my neck of NJ, a lot of the towns that had or still have Blue Laws were Quaker-founded or influenced: Haddonfield, Moorestown, Ocean City. I'm surprised they're still legal, as it would seem that a law with religious reasoning (Christian God says take the day off or else) is a major Constitutional no-no.

There were all sorts of goofy exemptions, too. You could get scrambled eggs at a restaurant but the grocery store wasn't allowed to be open to sell the eggs, or something like that. Lawhawk probably has a more accurate definition.

657 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:49:06am

re: #638 lawhawk

Part of what was interesting was crossing the "line" between areas with power and those without. Down near I-195 was were we first saw gas lines. As we came northeast from there towards Freehold the signals were out in most places and most of the gas stations and a lot of small businesses were closed.

Hospital in Freehold and signals near it had power. Presumably a priority.

Further northeast the gas stations were either closed, or had a line and at least one policeman there directing traffic for the line. A few stations were also open, but were placarded for use by utility and emergency vehicles only.

And we were down near Princeton eating dinner on the way back when a long line of utility trucks went by. They were probably stopping for the night at that point - or at least for a meal.

658 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:49:14am

re: #654 sagehen

Because god forbid you should buy it the day before?

Read again. I was AT the game.

659 danarchy  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:49:48am

re: #654 sagehen

Because god forbid you should buy it the day before?

Can't bring beer into the stadium, I imagine they were waiting in line at the concession stand.

660 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:50:59am

re: #655 BeenHereAwhile

Rule 2: Cardio
And always buckle up. It's going to be a bumpy ride.

661 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:51:25am

re: #645 Sheila Broflovski

State of Michigan does not allow alcohol sales before noon on Sunday.

Texas is weird with its blue laws. Car dealerships can only be open on either Saturday or Sunday, but not both. Alcohol can't be bought on Sundays before noon. Liquor stores are closed on Sundays and have to close by 9pm every day. Beer and wine can be sold at any store that is cleared to sell alcohol, but hard liquor can only be sold in specialized liquor stores.

There are also some weird rules about importing alcohol from other states, but I can't remember them offhand. I think you have to go to a liquor store and have them order whatever it is that you want and you pay them when it arrives, but I'm not sure.

662 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:52:45am

re: #657 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I haven't gone further south than Paterson, but have gone as far north as Woodcliff Lake and as far west as Wayne and east to Hackensack.

The further north you go, the fewer lines for gas. It's directly in proportion to the amount of power the area has and how long those areas have power.

663 blueraven  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:52:55am

re: #656 Mattand

At least in my neck of NJ, a lot of the towns that had or still have Blue Laws were Quaker-founded or influenced: Haddonfield, Moorestown, Ocean City. I'm surprised they're still legal, as it would seem that a law with religious reasoning (Christian God says take the day off or else) is a major Constitutional no-no.

There were all sorts of goofy exemptions, too. You could get scrambled eggs at a restaurant but the grocery store wasn't allowed to be open, or something like that. Lawhawk probably has a more accurate definition.

GA still has Sunday Blue law for alcohol.

Every time I go back there, I forget and wind up with nothing to drink for Sunday.

Luckily I still have old contacts...there is always one or two places to go for beer. Been the same for 30 years. Everyone, including law enforcement, knows what is going on.

664 kirkspencer  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:52:58am

re: #655 BeenHereAwhile

Rule # 1: Always double tap.

Ironically, no. If bullets are scarce, always double-tapping is a waste of resources and will eventually leave you with one too few bullets when you need it.

665 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:53:03am

going back to bed.

Have a good one all!

666 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:54:02am

Scooby snacks!

667 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:54:19am

86% chance he steals the vote!

/

668 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:54:50am

re: #591 lawhawk

It's kinda tough to hear GOPers complain about the pace of FEMA asssitance when they have been busy complaining and calling for FEMA to be disbanded/privatized, etc. The same people who would seek to eliminate FEMA are the same ones complaining they aren't there fast enough and aren't taking steps to make sure it's funded in a way that it could respond with sufficient numbers to assist those in need.

On top of that, I don't know how in hell they expect a state like, say, Mississippi that barely has two nickels to rub together to be able to fund and maintain a large-scale disaster mitigation program 24/7/365. And a private entity / entities? Ha! As in the case of private prisons, I have a real hard time being comfortable with relying on companies that exist to make profit from wildfires and failed levees.

669 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:55:53am

re: #668 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

As in the case of private prisons, I have a real hard time being comfortable with relying on companies that exist to make profit from wildfires and failed levees.

Also sounds like a good argument for single payer to me.

670 dragonath  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:56:07am

State owned liquor stores aren't so bad, and in some states, they're open on Sunday. Now what's weird is all the dry counties that still exist. Jack Daniels is distilled in a dry county.

671 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:56:10am

re: #613 Gretchen G.Tiger

ANOTHER, a recession within a recession, wrapped in magic underwear?

An economic Turducken.

672 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:56:47am

Cool!

WWII carrier pigeon's remains found in chimney

A British man has found the remains of World War II carrier pigeon in his fireplace complete with a canister attached to a leg containing an encrypted WW2 message.

David Martin, 74, found the bird's remains while renovating a unused Victorian fireplace at his Surrey home not far from the wartime headquarters of General Bernard Montgomery.

"It could have been a secret message for him. I hope it is something interesting it will be amazing if we discover an unknown detail from such an important part of British history," Martin told Britain's Daily Mail.

...The message, written by a Sergeant W Stott, contains 27 codes that each contain a combination of five numbers and letters. The message was destined for "X02," which is believed to be the classified designation for Britain's Bomber Command.

673 Mattand  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:56:55am

re: #663 blueraven

GA still has Sunday Blue law for alcohol.

Every time I go back there, I forget and wind up with nothing to drink for Sunday.

Luckily I still have old contacts...there is always one or two places to go for beer. Been the same for 30 years. Everyone, including law enforcement, knows what is going on.

It's still a bit of culture shock for me to go to NY or SC and see beer available in supermarkets. NJ is loosening that a little bit. Wegman's is selling booze now, but the one down here sells it in a separate building.

674 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:57:16am

I need to hear the word Benghazi come out of a wingnut's mouth before I can really be sure I'm not still dreaming.

675 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:57:46am

Man, I used to go to a bar in the Ft. Lauderdale area that closed at 6AM and re-opened at 7AM. Gotta clean up the vomit, I guess.

676 makeitstopghazi  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:58:33am

re: #673 Mattand

It's still a bit of culture shock for me to go to NY or SC and see beer available in supermarkets. NJ is loosening that a little bit. Wegman's is selling booze now, but the one down here is in a separate building.

I grew up on PA, and you couldn't buy a sixpack unless you went to a bar.

My 25 year old self thought he was in paradise when he moved to NY and could just go to the 7-11.

677 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:58:58am

re: #613 Gretchen G.Tiger

ANOTHER, a recession within a recession, wrapped in magic underwear?

Image: 29639087.jpg

678 dragonath  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 7:59:50am

re: #673 Mattand

Wegmans! I like to think they are spreading enlightened New York culture to us benighted Southrons. Selling beer in their stores has broken a lot of the irrational taboos about alcohol. It's like a glorified Public House.

679 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:00:03am
680 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:01:04am

re: #673 Mattand

It's still a bit of culture shock for me to go to NY or SC and see beer available in supermarkets. NJ is loosening that a little bit. Wegman's is selling booze now, but the one down here is in a separate building.

I'm not sure if I like seeing wine, liquor, etc being sold at big box stores in that it often harms small to medium sized liquor stores.

681 Mattand  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:01:12am

re: #674 Mocking Jay

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I need to hear the word Benghazi come out of a wingnut's mouth before I can really be sure I'm not still dreaming.

If Obama wins tomorrow, I'm not going to gloat, per se. There's one guy on FB who is going to hear something from me before I dump his paranoid wingnut ass.

682 makeitstopghazi  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:01:23am

The clock is ticking. Romney/Ryan better get on the stick if they want to top yesterday's crazy/stupid comment with something more crazy/stupid.

683 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:01:54am

re: #676 makeitstop

I grew up on PA, and you couldn't buy a sixpack unless you went to a bar.

My 25 year old self thought he was in paradise when he moved to NY and could just go to the 7-11.

In '50s Pittsburgh we had "beer distributors", neighborhood guys who could sell by the case out of a cinder-block garage.

684 Mattand  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:02:53am

re: #678 dragonath

Wegmans! I like to think they are spreading enlightened New York culture to us benighted Southrons. Selling beer in their stores has broken a lot of the irrational taboos about alcohol. It's like a glorified Public House.

Only shopped there a few times. The word I hear is that they're more expensive than ShopRite, but I've never really done a price comparison. The parking lot is a nightmare to deal with, but that's not really Wegman's fault.

685 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:03:43am

re: #678 dragonath

Wegmans! I like to think they are spreading enlightened New York culture to us benighted Southrons. Selling beer in their stores has broken a lot of the irrational taboos about alcohol. It's like a glorified Public House.

Uhhh. We can get beer and wine in groceries or Sam's, but not on Sunday. (AL)

686 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:04:14am

Developing!

687 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:04:19am

Ok, so Gus beat me to it.

Glenn Beck is still an idiot.

688 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:04:37am

re: #687 Lidane

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:D

689 Mattand  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:04:43am

re: #683 Decatur Deb

In '50s Pittsburgh we had "beer distributors", neighborhood guys who could sell by the case out of a cinder-block garage.

That still blows me away when I try to buy beer in PA.

Me: "Let's go to the liquor store and get beer."

PA resident; "Watchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis?"

Generally though, most of my beer purchases are usually in bars in Philly.

690 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:04:54am

re: #686 Gus

re: #687 Lidane

Are you two holding hands?
/

691 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:05:32am

re: #690 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #687 Lidane

Are you two holding hands?
/

Yep, and skipping. Tralalalala! //

692 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:06:22am

Whoa!

693 Mattand  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:07:16am

re: #691 Gus

Yep, and skipping. Tralalalala! //

Go to about the 2:00 minute mark on this one.

694 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:07:43am

re: #692 Gus

Whoa!

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I'd pay money to see Chris Christie deck Trump over that. I know it won't happen, but it would be awesome.

695 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:08:15am

re: #693 Mattand

Go to about the 2:00 minute mark on this one.

I'll have to check that later since I'm on the 4G wireless now.

696 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:09:12am

re: #694 Lidane

I'd pay money to see Chris Christie deck Trump over that. I know it won't happen, but it would be awesome.

Donald Trump: King of the Morons

697 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:10:31am

Hahahaha:

698 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:11:12am

re: #697 Lidane

Hahahaha:

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Dispatching waaahmbulance.

699 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:11:15am

re: #697 Lidane

Hahahaha:

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Ha! What a douche nozzle.

700 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:11:35am

re: #684 Mattand

Wegmans is the bomb. Their fruits/vegies are among the best I've seen at supermarkets - close to farm stand quality. Great selection, and their prepared foods department is quite expansive.

Some stuff may be higher price than ShopRite, but it's cheaper than Kings, Stop n Shop and Fairway.

701 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:12:22am
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Article: Ohio Republicans Make Last-Ditch Effort to Steal the Election

Can you flounce without a single comment?

702 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:13:00am

re: #701 wrenchwench

...

Can you flounce without a single comment?

eMime.

703 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:13:56am

re: #701 wrenchwench

...

Can you flounce without a single comment?

??

[Link: twitter.com...]

704 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:14:58am

re: #692 Gus

Where's Trump with his power generators to help with those folks at Trump-owned buildings in Brooklyn? Oh wait...

705 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:15:17am

re: #672 NJDhockeyfan

Cool!

WWII carrier pigeon's remains found in chimney

You know it's going to decode into four words:
RON PAUL BUY GOLD
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706 makeitstopghazi  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:15:22am

re: #701 wrenchwench

...

Can you flounce without a single comment?

It's like the Immaculate Conception of flouncing, or something.

707 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:15:49am

re: #704 lawhawk

Where's Trump with his power generators to help with those folks at Trump-owned buildings in Brooklyn? Oh wait...

Obama's fault!

708 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:15:58am

It was a single-minded mission.

Logged out: caltory

709 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:16:31am

re: #703 Gus

??

[Link: twitter.com...]

Iowahawk's #1 retweeter.

710 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:16:38am

re: #704 lawhawk

I thought I saw the name of a former LGFer in there.

712 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:17:35am

re: #710 Cannadian Club Akbar

I thought I saw the name of a former LGFer in there.

I'm wrong.

713 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:18:30am

Somehow I can picture Trump going to Toshi Station to look at some power converters. /

714 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:19:03am

re: #673 Mattand

It's still a bit of culture shock for me to go to NY or SC and see beer available in supermarkets. NJ is loosening that a little bit. Wegman's is selling booze now, but the one down here sells it in a separate building.

Yep. Wegman's worked around it by setting up a "pub" adjacent to their store. Follows the same rules for selling beer that a bar does in PA.

The distributors and bar associations (alcohol bar, not legal bar) are probably still in freakout mode since it's obvious the other upscale grocery chains will follow suit fairly soon. And once one of the big brands (like Walmart) gets into it the smaller places will lose business and there will be pressures to change some of the rules. (Such as the requirement for the beer being sold to be purchased from a distributor.)

715 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:21:04am

re: #711 Mocking Jay

Grrr...

Religion And Politics: IRS Not Enforcing Rules On Separation Of Church And State

They let them take too many inches; now they're taking miles.

We're going to have to crack down, and it's not going to be pretty.

716 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:21:32am

re: #680 Gus

I'm not sure if I like seeing wine, liquor, etc being sold at big box stores in that it often harms small to medium sized liquor stores.

In PA that's state-owned stores as it is.

A lot of the people around here "smuggle" since they go over the line into Delaware to buy wine at this monster place just off of I-95. Better selection and prices than the state stores in PA.

717 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:24:07am

re: #684 Mattand

Only shopped there a few times. The word I hear is that they're more expensive than ShopRite, but I've never really done a price comparison. The parking lot is a nightmare to deal with, but that's not really Wegman's fault.

Heh. I actually like shopping in a Mega-Weg. Weekend errand loop usually involves stopping in the one in Malvern or King of Prussia. Good for package buys and some specialty stuff. During the week I buy in the local produce markets and bakeries or walk over to Trader Joe's.

718 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:26:49am
719 Flounder  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:28:46am

re: #711 Mocking Jay

That is pretty scary.

720 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:30:16am

ShopRite! I went to school with one of the Perlmutters.

721 garhighway  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:30:32am

re: #686 Gus

Developing!

What Glenn doesn't get is that God is a Dem.

722 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:30:50am
723 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:31:07am

re: #718 Mocking Jay

Red State Spex

Nice punchline.

724 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:31:18am

re: #722 Lidane

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Today is Guy Fawkes Day in the UK.

725 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:32:35am

re: #722 Lidane

[Embedded content]

They probably dream of cooking eggs for Natalie like everyone in the movie does.
/

726 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:34:04am

re: #715 Obdicut

They let them take too many inches; now they're taking miles.

We're going to have to crack down, and it's not going to be pretty.

Agreed, and well understated. The crackdown could be genuinely perilous.

727 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:34:19am
728 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:35:47am
729 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:36:32am
730 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:38:57am

re: #726 Daniel Ballard

Agreed, and well understated. The crackdown could be genuinely perilous.

Letting it go on as it is is far more perilous.

731 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:40:03am

re: #730 Obdicut

That would necessarily depend on the character of the crackdown, would it not?

732 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:40:50am
733 lawhawk  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:41:40am

re: #729 NJDhockeyfan

It was a magnitude 2.0, which is below the range of what most people will feel.

734 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:41:57am

re: #731 Daniel Ballard

That would necessarily depend on the character of the crackdown, would it not?

Huh? I'm saying the IRS should enforce the laws we already have, that have been allowed to fall lax. In many cases, the churches know they are in defiance of the law.

735 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:43:20am

re: #732 Gus

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All that cold is emanating from the vacant space where his heart ought to be.

736 allegro  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:45:09am

re: #734 Obdicut

Huh? I'm saying the IRS should enforce the laws we already have, that have been allowed to fall lax. In many cases, the churches know they are in defiance of the law.

They're "in yer face" defiant with announcements well in advance and a "dare ya!" to the IRS to just try and enforce the laws. Yeah, I think it's time to take up that dare. Tax the churches.

737 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:45:32am

re: #726 Daniel Ballard

Agreed, and well understated. The crackdown could be genuinely perilous.

Get rid of the religious exemption. If they're really non-profits then let them follow the same rules all of the others do. Problem solved.

738 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:46:02am
739 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:47:37am

re: #734 Obdicut

Sorry, I took crackdown to mean something beyond ordinary enforcement. seems a shame the IRS has been slow to name an official to get in compliance with the court order the article mentions. " A 2009 federal court ruling required the IRS to clarify which high-ranking official could authorize audits over the tax code's political rules. The IRS has yet to do so."

Is this just bureaucratic ineptitude?

740 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:49:37am

re: #739 Daniel Ballard

Sorry, I took crackdown to mean something beyond ordinary enforcement.

Crackdown doesn't really connote breaking the law.

seems a shame the IRS has been slow to name an official to get in compliance with the court order the article mentions. " A 2009 federal court ruling required the IRS to clarify which high-ranking official could authorize audits over the tax code's political rules. The IRS has yet to do so."

Is this just bureaucratic ineptitude?

It may be related to GOP obstructionism. It may be an unwillingness of the Democrats to go after churches while the GOP is painting them as anti-religion. It's sad, since separation of church and state is as much for the benefit of church as it is for state.

741 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:51:21am

Ah well...

Denzel Washington associates atheists with sociopaths

“There’s a book I read called, ‘The Sociopath Next Door,’ and… a, it really became sort of the Bible for me in developing this character. I think he is a sociopath. I think he doesn’t have a conscience. I think he is an atheist and a murderer and a liar.”

742 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:52:59am

re: #741 Gus

Ah well...

Denzel Washington associates atheists with sociopaths

“There’s a book I read called, ‘The Sociopath Next Door,’ and… a, it really became sort of the Bible for me in developing this character. I think he is a sociopath. I think he doesn’t have a conscience. I think he is an atheist and a murderer and a liar.”

He's quite right. I'm an atheist and also a murderer and a liar. In fact I'm such a liar that I just lied about being a murderer.

Or did I?

743 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:53:19am

Springsteen's on.

744 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:53:52am

re: #742 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

He's quite right. I'm an atheist and also a murderer and a liar. In fact I'm such a liar that I just lied about being a murderer.

Or did I?

Not sure but I'm not letting you stop by for beers anymore.
/

745 Lidane  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:53:56am

re: #743 Mocking Jay

Springsteen's on.

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Damn it. If I wasn't on a conference call at work I'd listen in.

746 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:54:49am

re: #744 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not sure but I'm not letting you stop by for beers anymore.
/

How about a nice Chianti?

747 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:54:57am

re: #742 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

He's quite right. I'm an atheist and also a murderer and a liar. In fact I'm such a liar that I just lied about being a murderer.

Or did I?

Sick of these clueless idiots.

748 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:55:16am

re: #740 Obdicut

Crackdown doesn't really connote breaking the law.

I think there is a lot of ground between ordinary enforcement and a legal crackdown.

As to the cause I'd need to see a memo or email or something to indicate what the holdup is. One can speculate their own suspicions all day. To me GOP, clerical inertia, or a Dem reluctance to open that can of worms at this time (look at all those churches behind Obama for instance) are all strong possibilities. Edit-Oh and are not mutually exclusive!

749 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 8:59:31am

[Link: imgur.com...]

OK. Anyone know what this sign is really supposed to mean? Though the imgur comments are sort of a caption contest as well.

750 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:00:52am

And to counterbalance the last comment. Cuteness.

[Link: imgur.com...]

751 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:00:59am

I've got three words for Denzel: Gott Mit Uns.

752 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:01:08am

re: #749 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Winner.

"No Men from Nantucket"

753 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:01:54am

re: #748 Daniel Ballard

I think there is a lot of ground between ordinary enforcement and a legal crackdown.

When the law hasn't been applied, then resuming application of it is going to seem like a crackdown even though it's just application of the law.

As to the cause I'd need to see a memo or email or something to indicate what the holdup is. One can speculate their own suspicions all day.

Um, you asked. I answered with what I thought. If you are just going to deride my answers, please don't ask for me to give them.

754 Charleston Chew  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:02:58am

re: #741 Gus

Ah well...

Denzel Washington associates atheists with sociopaths

“There’s a book I read called, ‘The Sociopath Next Door,’ and… a, it really became sort of the Bible for me in developing this character. I think he is a sociopath. I think he doesn’t have a conscience. I think he is an atheist and a murderer and a liar.”

Actors have a noble calling -- looking good while saying words other people thought of.

When they stray from their calling, things go wrong.

755 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:03:45am

re: #754 Charleston Chew

Actors have a noble calling -- looking good while saying words other people thought of.

When they stray from their calling, things go wrong.

Noun, verb, atheist.

756 Mattand  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:04:35am

re: #742 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

He's quite right. I'm an atheist and also a murderer and a liar. In fact I'm such a liar that I just lied about being a murderer.

Or did I?

I think Steve Harvey has the same open mind about atheists. Once he finds out a person doesn't believe, he refuses to deal with them.

If I treated believers that way, I'd literally have no one to deal with, whether it was family or buying groceries.

Yay, religion.

757 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:08:52am

re: #743 Mocking Jay

Springsteen's on.

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Half glad I'm not living in Mad-town anymore and half sad I'm living in Mad-town anymore. It's gonna be an absolute zoo off the square today. Would have been neat to see AF1 on final approach again, though (we lived about 1 ~ 2 miles out on the main landing approach).

I need to go pray for the president. BIAB.

758 allegro  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:09:09am

re: #756 Mattand

I think Steve Harvey has the same open mind about atheists. Once he finds out a person doesn't believe, he refuses to deal with them.

If I treated believers that way, I'd literally have no one to deal with, whether it was family or buying groceries.

Yay, religion.

I don't have any problem dealing with believers but if I see a Jesus fish on the window, on the website, or in the business, I walk. I see those businesses as grifters and rip-offs and have been proven right many times.

759 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:10:29am

re: #754 Charleston Chew

Actors have a noble calling -- looking good while saying words other people thought of.

When they stray from their calling, things go wrong.

Not really. When things go wrong is when people think that actors' opinions are worth more than those of any other random person.

760 blueraven  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:12:40am

re: #754 Charleston Chew

Actors have a noble calling -- looking good while saying words other people thought of.

When they stray from their calling, things go wrong.

I think that's a little harsh. Denzel is talking about one character. Are we saying a lying murderer cant be an atheist?
I dont think he is saying all atheist. People become atheist for all kinds of reasons. One reason could certainly be justification for immoral acts. It could also be a rebellion against overly religious parents.

761 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:14:15am

Can we still have an election between Obama and Herman Cain just for shits and giggles?

762 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:15:42am

re: #760 blueraven

I think that's a little harsh. Denzel is talking about one character. Are we saying a lying murderer cant be an atheist?
I dont think he is saying all atheist. People become atheist for all kinds of reasons. One reason could certainly be justification for immoral acts. It could also be a rebellion against overly religious parents.

I'm open to any clarification from Denzel. Until then my eyebrow is still raised but I won't be sitting here thinking about this all day long either.

763 Mattand  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:15:50am

re: #758 allegro

I don't have any problem dealing with believers but if I see a Jesus fish on the window, on the website, or in the business, I walk. I see those businesses as grifters and rip-offs and have been proven right many times.

I've been lucky so far with that. The few openly Xtian businesses I've dealt with that wear their belief on their sleeves have never forced it down my throat. Strictly business.

But, yeah, I do go in with a trepidation about hearing the "pitch", as it were.

764 Gus  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:20:36am
765 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:31:35am

re: #705 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

You know it's going to decode into four words:
RON PAUL BUY GOLD
///

Reichstag fire was an inside job!

766 lostlakehiker  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:32:26am

re: #438 Obdicut

We didn't nationalize health care.

Why lie?

Here's what I wrote:

If you wanted to nationalize health care, there were better ways to do it than to write into law rules that must crash the current system, in the hope that from the wreckage you can get what you really want. Or so it looks to me. I can't prove it will crash; we'll just have to wait and see.

You're a good reader. You wouldn't miss a question on a multiple choice reading comprehension test about whether the author (me) had said in the quoted passage that health care HAD BEEN nationalized.

So why say it, and call me a liar? Your two sentences, in combination, constitute a lie. By implication, you misquote me.

767 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:32:51am

re: #753 Obdicut

I wasn't deriding your answer. At least not any more than my own alternatives. But perfectly legal "crackdowns' have gone awry just often enough to encourage me to think of the term carefully. It's often not a good thing.

768 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:35:01am

re: #766 lostlakehiker

Oh, so apparently you have a conspiracy theory that the ACA is intentionally designed to crash the healthcare system in the US-- not the health insurance system, but the healthcare system-- and that those who supported ACA actually want to nationalize health care (more than it is now, anyway) and the ACA was just their cover for it?

Holy shit, dude. I don't really have to say anything about that. That's fucking crazy. I'm sorry for misreading you and thinking you weren't engaging in an insane conspiracy theory.

769 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:36:34am

re: #767 Daniel Ballard

If you were just going to say that any answer given was speculation and useless, why'd you ask for one?

But perfectly legal "crackdowns' have gone awry just often enough to encourage me to think of the term carefully. It's often not a good thing.

I'm sorry, you've lost me. We have a big problem with churches violating IRS rules. It's heavily affected US politics. We need to stop it. I'm not sure the adjective we use in describing stopping this matters so much as, you know, stopping it.

770 CuriousLurker  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:56:27am

re: #476 Sheila Broflovski

{{{CL}}}

SO GLAD TO HAVE YOU BACK!

So glad to be back! {{{Alouette}}}

Wait, don't you have a daughter in Brooklyn? Is everything okay with her?

re: #493 lawhawk

Welcome back to the powered and connected masses. A lot of folks here were worried about you. Glad that you're safe.

Thanks, glad to see you're safe & sound too. I'm touched to know people were concerned.

Does anyone know if there are any East Coast lizards left unaccounted for?

771 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:57:29am

re: #770 CuriousLurker

I don't keep tabs on where people are at, but I think everyone who said they were hunkering down have checked in.

Next time, we'll make a signup sheet or something.

772 CuriousLurker  Mon, Nov 5, 2012 9:59:22am

re: #771 Obdicut

Thanks. A sign-up sheet is a good idea.


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