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1 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:15:58pm

It really is over. Obama could lose both FL and OH, but if he wins CO, NV, and OR, all likely, he still wins.

2 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:16:01pm

The fat lady has sung.

3 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:16:05pm

muwahaha

4 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:16:37pm

Yes!!! YEAH!!!!

5 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:16:42pm

Smithers, bring in the hounds!

6 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:16:51pm

Word!

7 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:16:51pm

I'm watching Fox just for fun. Word: mandate

8 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:16:56pm

Allow me reach across the aisle...

9 Neutral President  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:17:06pm

Romney prepares "Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor" speech.

10 Usually refered to as anyways  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:17:28pm

Fuckin eh...

Well done America.

11 jvic  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:17:39pm

Congratulations to President Obama and his supporters.

12 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:17:53pm

Prediction: Willard waits until tomorrow to concede, just in the hopes that he can somehow pull off a popular vote win.

13 calochortus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:17:56pm

Yay! Now I can start paying attention to how the local stuff (CA) did.

14 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:17:57pm

I'm feeling a sensation of Supreme relief.

15 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:17:59pm

CNN takes another courageous step and admits Obama wins Oregon.

16 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:18:03pm

Wailing and gnashing of teeth here in Lubbock, where Romney won 73-25, with 2% going to the Libertarian and various other cranks.

Excuse me for a minute while I go to the window and luxuriate in their misery.

17 Locker  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:18:32pm

I had to unblock Fox News from my Tivo... ahhhhhh... sour grapes are a flowing baby!

18 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:18:34pm

CNN calling the election for Obama

19 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:18:49pm

re: #15 freetoken

CNN takes another courageous step and admits Obama wins Oregon.

I'm glad I stayed away from them tonight. Totally useless.

20 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:18:52pm

Yeah...
I'm gloating.
Now will somebody please put Mitt back in his box ?!?

21 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:19:22pm
22 uncah91  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:19:23pm

re: #20 OhNoBenghazi!

Yeah...
I'm gloating.
Now will somebody please put Mitt back in his box ?!?

Mitt is still sealed in his box.

23 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:19:27pm

REP Party Mitt Romney 1,558,672 49.14%
DEM Party Barack Obama 1,562,047 49.25%
Virginia. 90.77%

24 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:19:31pm

re: #14 jaunte

I'm feeling a sensation of Supreme relief.

And speaking of the Supremes, I think the big news is how the backward Republican Senate candidates lost, letting the Dems have enough of a voting margin in the Senate to allow Obama to pick USSC justices without bowing to the GOP.

25 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:19:33pm

CNN showing clip from....Kenya? Classy guys.

26 Petero1818  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:19:36pm

CNN has now called Ohio.

27 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:19:49pm

Come on everypony smile, smile, smile!

28 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:19:51pm
29 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:19:59pm

Nate Silver, you magnificent bastard!

30 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:20:02pm

*phew*

Good to see Randians and the Protectors of the Reproductive Rights of Rapists get sent packing. Now for the hard part!

31 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:20:07pm

I wanna see Mitch McConnell's tears.

32 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:20:09pm

Woke up just in time here in Europe...Nowhere to go but back to sleep but I'm reconciled. I'm gonna be up for a while.

33 Locker  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:20:13pm

Awww the only reason Obama won is because of negative ads. Don't blame Mitt Romney! Don't blame all our bullshit! It wasn't fair!!! - Fox News

34 Ian G.  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:20:21pm

I hope the Koch boys and Sheldon Adelson felt it was money well spent!

35 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:20:24pm

Nate you magnificent bastard.

36 The Mountain That Blogs  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:20:25pm

Well done, America. Well done.

37 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:20:32pm

RAZOR TIGHT!!

38 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:20:38pm

It's hard to express my joy and relief at this result. A wonderful night.

39 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:20:42pm

re: #31 OhNoBenghazi!

I wanna see Mitch McConnell's tears.

Maybe this time around he'll adjust his priorities.

40 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:20:45pm

Fox News has never been so good.

41 Inner Partisan  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:20:58pm

Peak Wingnut in 3... 2... 1...

42 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:21:03pm

WOOT!

To the men of the GOP, this is what happens when you insult women.

Kick the theocrats out and maybe, just maybe, you'll have a chance in 2036.

43 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:21:16pm

Erick Erickson as the moderate Republican candidate for 2016.....

44 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:21:16pm

Nate Silver has released a statement to all conservative pundits

45 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:21:31pm

Skew this pole, mothefuckers.

46 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:21:31pm

re: #34 Ian G.

I hope the Koch boys and Sheldon Adelson felt it was money well spent!

Can you imagine having burned a billion bucks for nothing? Holy shit... That's gotta sting.

47 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:21:38pm

re: #39 jaunte

Maybe this time around he'll adjust his priorities.

I assure you that he will succeed in making sure that President Obama does not have a third term.

48 uncah91  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:21:40pm

re: #39 jaunte

Maybe this time around he'll adjust his priorities.

To make Obama a TWO term president?

49 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:21:57pm

again with the Kenya clip. Really CNN?

50 Petero1818  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:21:57pm

Strangely after a tweet rate of about 25 tweets an hour, Dick Morris has not tweeted in 35 minutes.

51 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:22:06pm

re: #43 JamesWI

Erick Erickson as the moderate Republican candidate for 2016.....

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WTF? Are you fucking kidding me? He wants to be reasonable now? Goatfucker!

52 Coracle  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:22:06pm

I'm waiting on NPR.

53 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:22:08pm

Look at all those people celebrating.

54 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:22:12pm
55 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:22:21pm

re: #46 Pawn of the Oppressor

Can you imagine having burned a billion bucks for nothing? Holy shit... That's gotta sting.

chump change for those motherfuckers. they'lll just hire better tax guys and get it back next year in deductions.

56 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:22:22pm

re: #41 Inner Partisan

Peak Wingnut in 3... 2... 1...

Asked and answered:

57 Gus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:22:29pm

Dear Lord please tell me that Romney didn't win.

58 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:22:41pm

Haters go home. Looking at you, Willard Romney.

59 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:22:42pm

re: #52 Coracle

I'm waiting on NPR.

They've called the whole thing for Obama.

60 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:22:44pm

PLEASE RISE FOR THE NEW NATIONAL ANTHEM:

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61 Jan Smiddy  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:22:55pm

Allahu Akbar! The Fox carping begins.

62 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:22:56pm

It turns out that if you spend a year and a half insulting and demeaning women and Latinos, they won't vote for you.

Who knew!!?!??

63 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:22:56pm

re: #38 Charles Johnson

It's hard to express my joy and relief at this result. A wonderful night.

I'm breaking out the single malt Scotch!

64 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:22:59pm

The system works.
Big Money lost.
Thank goodness, cause I really didn't like the way I looked with that sign on.

65 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:23:03pm

re: #57 Gus

Dear Lord please tell me that Romney didn't win.

He lost.
Also, Obama is now ahead in Va.

66 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:23:21pm

re: #56 jaunte

Asked and answered:

He lost the popular vote by a lot and won the election. We should have a revolution in this country!

Just like we had in 2000!!!

67 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:23:25pm

Imma pack a bowl and savor this.

68 Coracle  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:23:30pm

re: #59 wrenchwench

NPR hasn't yet. Not that they won't. But I'm waiting. Plus I've got some ballot measures I'm hanging on.

69 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:23:32pm

re: #57 Gus

Dear Lord please tell me that Romney didn't win.

Romney did not win, my son. Blessings and peace be upon you.

70 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:23:34pm

Get a wallet into his mouth!


71 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:23:40pm

re: #65 Varek Raith

He lost.
Also, Obama is now ahead in Va.

I'm proud of our state.

72 Randall Gross  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:23:54pm

I'm going to sleep so much easier tonight.

73 Apeman  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:23:56pm

Thank you to everybody here who kept me sane tonight. Woot!

74 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:23:57pm

BBC has O 251 R 203. WaPo still lagging.

75 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:23:58pm

re: #70 Kragarghazi

Double down on the crazy next time!

76 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:24:07pm

re: #70 Kragarghazi

Get a wallet into his mouth!

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Yeah Republicans keep on doing what you're doing. Your problem is you're not nuts enough.

77 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:24:16pm

re: #46 Pawn of the Oppressor

Can you imagine having burned a billion bucks for nothing? Holy shit... That's gotta sting.

Sad part is, it doesn't. They have that to burn. They probably insured it or something.

78 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:24:19pm

Steve King has a small margin of lead in his House race. If he is re-elected, expect him and West to be the core of the "Tea Party" attack on the re-elected Obama.

79 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:24:19pm

Fox whines that 50% of the country still blames Bush for the state of the economy.

That is because it's true you idiots!

80 Ian G.  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:24:23pm

Sorry, I can't watch Fox anymore. Flipped to MSNBC. Schadenfreude is good and all, but I want to share the joy.

81 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:24:33pm

re: #75 jaunte

Double down on the crazy next time!

82 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:24:37pm

Does it still count as kicking someone when they're down if you're merely pointing out a fact?

83 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:24:41pm

REP Party Mitt Romney 1,583,985 48.94%
DEM Party Barack Obama 1,600,632 49.46%
Virginia 92.12%

84 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:24:42pm

Fox News just debated over whether Romney tried to be too conservative........or not conservative enough.

Yeah.....I don't know if we're going to be seeing the Republican Party in the White House for a looooong time.

85 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:24:45pm

Mass pardon for Romney voters! Recall the drones!

86 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:24:48pm
“If we lose this election there is only one explanation – demographics,” Graham told Jonathan Martin of The Politico. “If I hear anybody say it was because Romney wasn’t conservative enough I’m going to go nuts. We’re not losing 95 percent of African-Americans and two-thirds of Hispanics and voters under 30 because we’re not being hard-ass enough.”
87 Skip Intro  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:24:51pm

Thank Romney! A less total asshole might have had a shot, but Willard just couldn't hide 65 years of being a total prick.

88 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:24:56pm

re: #68 Coracle

NPR hasn't yet. Not that they won't. But I'm waiting. Plus I've got some ballot measures I'm hanging on.

I'm listening here on the computer. They've called it.

Oops, I was wrong.

89 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:24:57pm

re: #70 Kragarghazi

Get a wallet into his mouth!

Whatever solution is for GOP, it's not to move to the center. Do that, have no reason to exist. Go conservative or go home.

The only person conservative enough for Bryan Fischer is Bryan himself.

90 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:25:09pm

re: #34 Ian G.

I hope the Koch boys and Sheldon Adelson felt it was money well spent!

Hey, they paid a lot of advertising and TV station folks' salaries for a while. It could be the only honest jobs they've actually created in a while. Hopefully they won't give up the cause. LOL

91 Petero1818  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:25:11pm

re: #70 Kragarghazi

Get a wallet into his mouth!

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Santorum/Bachmann 2016

92 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:25:14pm

re: #75 jaunte

Double down on the crazy next time!

Go full retard!

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93 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:25:14pm

re: #70 Kragarghazi

Hard to starboard, full steam ahead!

94 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:25:16pm

re: #79 ghazidor

Fox whines that 50% of the country still blames Bush for the state of the economy.

That is because it's true you idiots!

Considering they blame Jimmy Carter for everything some 30+ years after they left.

95 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:25:17pm

People shooting off fireworks near my condo, someone else is happy about Obama's win!

96 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:25:53pm

Rush has said for years the only way to win is to go more conservative.

I hope the wingnuts keep listening to him

97 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:25:55pm

Romney disputes call on Ohio to Fox.
Not giving up yet.

98 SteelGHAZI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:26:01pm

Victory tune!

99 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:26:01pm

re: #23 Varek Raith

REP Party Mitt Romney 1,558,672 49.14%
DEM Party Barack Obama 1,562,047 49.25%
Virginia. 90.77%

Ooh.

100 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:26:07pm

Huntsman would have won. Chew on that for a while, tea party morons.

101 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:26:11pm

This night can't get any better!

Or can it...?

Minnesota District 6
42% in | detailed results |all Minnesota results
Michele
Bachmann
50% 74,499
Jim
Graves
50% 73,228

102 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:26:12pm

re: #65 Varek Raith

He lost.
Also, Obama is now ahead in Va.

VA!

LOL

103 alpuz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:26:15pm

re: #63 celticdragon

We busted out the expensive wine!

104 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:26:17pm

re: #97 ghazidor

Romney disputes call on Ohio to Fox.

Oh whine baby whine.

105 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:26:29pm

BBC has called it for Obama as well. Neutral enough for me to believe even without coffee.

Good luck, good night, America.

106 Tigger2  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:26:29pm

re: #56 jaunte

Asked and answered:

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Trump FUCK OFF

107 erik_t  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:26:30pm

Celebratory whisky: open.

Hate on, haterz.

108 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:26:40pm
109 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:27:04pm

Probably a lost cause, but hey...

Florida District 18
96% in | detailed results |all Florida results
Allen
West
50% 152,648
Patrick
Murphy
50% 151,217

110 thecommodore  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:27:07pm

The handwringing on Fox is pretty funny. Karl Rove hasn't accepted the Ohio results yet.

111 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:27:19pm

And all Matt Drudge can do is hold onto the diminishing R lead in the popular vote, as if to say "Well yeah, but..."

112 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:27:20pm

Watch out for the sorest losers

113 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:27:24pm

VICTORY LAP!

114 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:27:52pm

Need an explanation of tonight's result?
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115 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:27:57pm

re: #112 jaunte

Watch out for the sorest losers

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Moar! Feed me moar of their tears!

116 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:27:57pm

re: #68 Coracle

NPR hasn't yet. Not that they won't. But I'm waiting. Plus I've got some ballot measures I'm hanging on.

Sorry, I was wrong. Officially they haven't called it, but they sound dumb talking like it's over, but saying it's not official.

117 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:27:58pm

This never felt like a sure thing to me - in fact, I was seriously worried that America would swing back to the right.

It makes the victory that much sweeter because it was in doubt.

The lying, reactionary right is on the run tonight.

118 The Optimist  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:28:00pm

We may have a huge national debt, a stupid foreign policy, unemployment up the kazoo, and no future. But we won. yeah happy days. go Obama. we won.

119 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:28:03pm

re: #97 ghazidor

Romney disputes call on Ohio to Fox.

John Husted isn't done cheating?
Yeah, I think he's done. And he failed.

120 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:28:07pm

Karl Rove convinced the Ohio call is too early.

Yeah....I'm going to listen to Karl Rove....../

121 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:28:09pm

re: #100 Shiplord Kirel

Huntsman would have won. Chew on that for a while, tea party morons.

And the GOP really should have taken the Senate...until the TP morons nominated lunatics. Hey, I'm just thrilled the damn Bush tax cuts will be allowed to expire. If they were such a great thing for the economy, explain 2008 to me again?

122 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:28:10pm

BBC has O 275 R 203.

123 Gus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:28:11pm

Damn. My map looks just like the final map.

124 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:28:12pm

Gary Johnson and Virgil Goode have a combined 38k votes in Va.

125 Ian G.  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:28:21pm

I'm hearing cheers coming from the streets below me in Brooklyn, in my peaceful, prosperous mixed black-white neighborhood of Fort Greene. That's the future of America, ladies and gentlemen, as you all realize, and I'm going to go out there and join them for a bit.

G'night Lizards! Thanks for making my first day at this blog enjoyable!

126 bratwurst  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:28:30pm

Karl Rove is not conceding Ohio...and getting huffy about it!

127 GatorsEatsTaters  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:28:44pm
128 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:28:46pm

Did Ryan lose his house seat too?

129 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:28:46pm

re: #118 The Optimist

We may have a huge national debt, a stupid foreign policy, unemployment up the kazoo, and no future. But we won. yeah happy days. go Obama. we won.

Your tears are delicious.

130 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:28:46pm

re: #118 The Optimist

We may have a huge national debt, a stupid foreign policy, unemployment up the kazoo, and no future. But we won. yeah happy days. go Obama. we won.

Yes! Give your tears to me! They are so sweet and tasty!

131 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:28:49pm

Freepers react to the election news

132 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:28:53pm

What's the outcome with Bachman?

133 Batman  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:29:02pm

Okay, white people, we only have one option: mass migration to Canada and turn that country into a white conservative wonderland. Our exodus begins tomorrow. Ready?

134 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:29:06pm

re: #128 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Did Ryan lose his house seat too?

I doubt it. I don't think that was ever a REAL possibility.

135 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:29:11pm

re: #118 The Optimist

We may have a huge national debt, a stupid foreign policy, unemployment up the kazoo, and no future. But we won. yeah happy days. go Obama. we won.

You should fix your nic.

136 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:29:16pm

WaPo O 234 R 189.

137 GunstarGreen  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:29:21pm

Ah. Now all that's left is to sit back and bask in the upcoming four years of unfathomably racist shitmongering.

In Georgia, WSB recently switched their lineup to Boortz/Rush/Hannity/Erickson back to back to back. I'm expecting at least one of them tomorrow to just break down and start screaming NI-CLANG- NI-CLANG- NI-CLANG- into the mic.

138 Jan Smiddy  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:29:26pm

The Romnoids are attacking the Fox Henhouse.

Picture the faces on the Rombot scions.

Priceless rage agony and shock all round.

Lovely.

Poor Ann it was their turn for chrissakes.

139 Inner Partisan  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:29:26pm

Speaking for what, I believe, is a majority of Non-Americans:

THANK YOU, AMERICA!

140 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:29:32pm

Let's see, this year, for the first time there were more babies "of color" born than white babies. That means that the GOP has until 2032 to change their tune.

hmmm . . .

141 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:29:36pm

REP Party Mitt Romney 1,594,426 48.74%
DEM Party Barack Obama 1,624,579 49.66%
92.17%

142 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:29:40pm

re: #118 The Optimist

We may have a huge national debt, a stupid foreign policy, unemployment up the kazoo, and no future. But we won. yeah happy days. go Obama. we won.

Yes We Can Did.

143 Petero1818  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:29:46pm

re: #126 bratwurst

Karl Rove is not conceding Ohio!

To be honest, I am surprised Ohio was called as early as it was. It is very close with lots of votes left to count.

144 The Optimist  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:29:52pm

Good night. This is all I can take.

145 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:30:07pm

re: #139 Inner Partisan

On behalf of my fellow Americans, you're welcome. (Though I was worried.)

146 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:30:08pm

re: #139 Inner Partisan

Welcome, hatchling.

147 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:30:09pm

re: #144 The Optimist

Good night. This is all I can take.

:(

Bye bye.

148 Gus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:30:11pm

Obama won.

149 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:30:18pm

Will be back to tomorrow to see the results of PR.

Wow.

150 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:30:28pm

re: #133 Batmanghazi

Okay, white people, we only have one option: mass migration to Canada and turn that country into a white conservative wonderland. Our exodus begins tomorrow. Ready?

Americans threaten to move to Canada. Canadians threaten to move to Europe. But disgruntled white Europeans can't threaten to move anywhere more white. What about THEM?

151 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:30:33pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

REP Party Mitt Romney 1,594,426 48.74%
DEM Party Barack Obama 1,624,579 49.66%
92.17%

VA?

152 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:30:40pm

re: #82 Interesting Times in Benghazi

Does it still count as kicking someone when they're down if you're merely pointing out a fact?

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Heartbroken. My party has to evolve or it's going to die. -- Meghan McCain

If your party has to evolve, why are you heartbroken that it lost?

153 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:30:47pm

I think Silver got every single state right. But he's too effeminate to analyze polls.

154 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:31:02pm

re: #151 Targetpractice

VA?

Yep

155 Joanne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:31:08pm

re: #73 Apeman

Thank you to everybody here who kept me sane tonight. Woot!

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Ditto that. Thanks all!!

156 Kaessa  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:31:19pm
157 Skip Intro  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:31:21pm

re: #117 Charles Johnson

This never felt like a sure thing to me - in fact, I was seriously worried that America would swing back to the right.

It makes the victory that much sweeter because it was in doubt.

The lying, reactionary right is on the run tonight.

Rove/Koch/Adelson spent what, $500+ million in dark money to achieve just that, and lost!

Now if we can just get a couple of new SC justices to revisit Citizens United, maybe we'll have a chance of purging these assholes out of the system once and for all.

158 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:31:24pm

"romney aides are frantically crunching numbers"

foxed up news trying hard not to believe the projection

159 dragonath  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:31:26pm

:)

160 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:31:27pm

re: #112 jaunte

Watch out for the sorest losers

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I really hate that a jerk like that uses Jefferson as his avatar.

161 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:31:27pm

Yeah but the yard signs...

162 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:31:30pm

re: #97 ghazidor

Romney disputes call on Ohio to Fox.
Not giving up yet.

I guess he is arrogant enough to question his greatest cheerleading organization.

Who'da thunk it?

/

163 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:31:33pm

re: #152 BongGhazi

Meghan believes in evolution? RINO!!

164 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:31:39pm

"We have no future" is a profoundly unAmerican sentiment. It's sad that a simple election could create that kind of thinking but I doubt it happened without the help of a lot of fear profiteers.

165 thecommodore  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:31:45pm

I think Fox is about to withdraw it's projection for Obama in Ohio.

166 Neutral President  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:31:59pm

I wonder how many of the #tcot people are going to be receiving Secret Service visits tomorrow.

167 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:32:28pm
168 Tigger2  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:32:41pm

re: #118 The Optimist

We may have a huge national debt, a stupid foreign policy, unemployment up the kazoo, and no future. But we won. yeah happy days. go Obama. we won.

And your fucking party would have made it worse by putting the same failed policies back into affect.

169 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:32:48pm

For Romney

170 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:33:07pm

Fox now hemming and hawing about Ohio cal was correct, leaving some doubt room there saying Romney still has a "path to victory" if he wins everything that is left.

171 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:33:19pm

Yeah, I'm thinking Va is going Obama.

172 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:33:41pm

re: #171 Varek Raith

Yeah, I'm thinking Va is going Obama.

Looking that way.

173 Usually refered to as anyways  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:33:42pm

At this point I would like to take a moment to thank Mr Ayers, Mr Wright, Mr Soros, all the Kenyen's and the Muslims and particularly the department and births, deaths and Marriages in the state of Hawaii. There are many others who I must thank but they know who they are.

174 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:33:51pm

Holy derp.

175 Kaessa  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:33:56pm

Donald Trump calling for revolution:

176 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:33:56pm
177 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:33:58pm

re: #167 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Link no work for me.

178 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:34:00pm

re: #118 The Optimist

We may have a huge national debt, a stupid foreign policy, unemployment up the kazoo, and no future. But we won. yeah happy days. go Obama. we won.

We had that in 2008.

179 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:34:05pm

All I've got to say tonight in two tweets:

180 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:34:08pm

Been listening to C-SPAN radio on my phone.

181 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:34:17pm

virginia now coming in blue

!!

182 Randall Gross  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:34:22pm

In celebration here's a song for all those whistle blowers

183 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:34:28pm

LOL.....

"One"

184 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:34:37pm

re: #174 jaunte

Holy derp.

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Yeah, the way to avoid that is to elect a guy who's amassed a fortune worth at least a quarter billion dollars.

Derp.

185 Petero1818  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:34:41pm

Meghan Kelly actually going live backstage to question the desk on why they called Ohio. This is funny as hell.

186 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:34:48pm

re: #118 The Optimist

We may have a huge national debt, a stupid foreign policy, unemployment up the kazoo, and no future. But we won. yeah happy days. go Obama. we won.

Y'know, I almost updinged you for "unemployment up the kazoo," but why spoil a good thing.

187 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:34:48pm

REP Party Mitt Romney 1,629,533 48.61%
DEM Party Barack Obama 1,669,226 49.80%

188 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:34:49pm

re: #175 Kaessa

Donald Trump calling for Revolution:

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Damn Constitution..../

189 Kaessa  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:34:49pm

Wingnut tears are so sweet.

190 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:35:02pm
191 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:35:12pm

THE WINGULARITY HAS BEEN BREACHED!

192 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:35:20pm

re: #183 JamesWI

I see Trump is only a strict Constitutionalist if he wins.

193 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:35:24pm

re: #190 Shiplord Kirel

Wonderful results at the Fever Swamp:

OK. So, Let's Say Our Worst Fears Have Come To Fruition. What Options Do We Have? I Am Frightened.

Some patriot has this to say:HEY AMERICA! GO F YOURSELF! YOU WANT SOCIALISM? YOU CAN HAVE IT!

The Biggest Liar Wins

These are stories, not individual comments.

Believe in America.

194 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:35:29pm

re: #183 JamesWI

LOL.....

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Was Trump this pissed when Bush won without receiving the popular vote? Didn't think so. Shut up Donald and leave us alone and move to Mars.

195 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:35:41pm
196 Neutral President  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:35:48pm

re: #185 Petero1818

Meghan Kelly actually going live backstage to question the desk on why they called Ohio. This is funny as hell.

See my post #9 and apply it to her.

197 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:35:49pm

Yeah, I think I'm gonna find a way to skip out on Thanksgiving this year.

198 KiTA  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:35:50pm

re: #56 jaunte

199 bratwurst  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:35:53pm

re: #175 Kaessa

Donald Trump calling for Revolution:

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But when you want money
for people with minds that hate
all I can tell you is brother you have to wait

200 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:36:03pm

re: #194 HappyBenghazi

Was Trump this pissed when Bush won without receiving the popular vote? Didn't think so. Shut up Donald and leave us alone and move to Mars.

Uh huh. No need to keep counting Cali's votes, I guess...

201 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:36:07pm

re: #173 ozbloke

At this point I would like to take a moment to thank Mr Ayers, Mr Wright, Mr Soros, all the Kenyen's and the Muslims and particularly the department and births, deaths and Marriages in the state of Hawaii. There are many others who I must thank but they know who they are.

oz, do people in your part of the world get so worked-up about your elections?

202 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:36:18pm

The second:

203 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:36:19pm

re: #70 Kragarghazi

Get a wallet into his mouth!

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He's going home!

204 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:36:31pm

Maybe Donald Trump will liquidate his assets and move to the Caymans. Or Switzerland.

205 Tigger2  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:36:44pm

re: #183 JamesWI

LOL.....

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But Trump would be perfectly happy if it had when the other way and we would just be sore losers.

206 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:36:46pm

re: #133 Batmanghazi

Okay, white people, we only have one option: mass migration to Canada and turn that country into a white conservative wonderland. Our exodus begins tomorrow. Ready?

Sorry. We have tough immigration policies. (Whispers) Bring money.

207 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:36:47pm

re: #202 Dark_Falcon

The second:

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The GOP needs an enema.

208 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:36:56pm

Part of me wants to see the funeral procession on Fox, but the upbeat mood on MSNBC is much more satisfying.

209 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:36:58pm

MSNBC busting McConnell's "making Obama a one-term president". Oh, it's Rachel. She rocks.

210 Randall Gross  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:36:59pm

Revolution?

211 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:37:07pm

Trump should march to Jerry's barber shop and get a decent haircut.

212 Petero1818  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:37:13pm

re: #200 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Uh huh. No need to keep counting Cali's votes, I guess...

Just thinking the same thing. Once the CA vote is actually counted, I would expect that Obama wins the popular vote as well.

213 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:37:26pm

re: #183 JamesWI

LOL.....

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No, they're just laughing at you...

214 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:37:30pm

re: #118 The Optimist

We may have a huge national debt, a stupid foreign policy, unemployment up the kazoo, and no future. But we won. yeah happy days. go Obama. we won.

Yep. And the GOP built that for the most part.

215 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:37:32pm

re: #202 Dark_Falcon

The second:

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Not going out of your way to fuck over women would be a good start:

216 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:37:51pm

Fox grilling its own decision desk people about why they called Ohio for Obama, decision desk people doing excellent job of saying Karl Rove is full of shit without actually saying it. They stand behind the call 99.9% :)

217 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:37:53pm

re: #183 JamesWI

LOL.....

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I would say they're probably laughing mostly at throwbacks who call themselves Republicans.

218 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:37:56pm

re: #195 Interesting Times in Benghazi

He better get some :)

219 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:38:00pm

re: #125 Ian G.

you're welcome:)

220 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:38:02pm

This whole meme of Obama losing the popular vote is ridiculous.

Right now they are tied, and nearly all of California, WA, and even most of NY hasn't been counted.

221 Neutral President  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:38:08pm

"Any of you homos call Ohio for Obama and I'll kill you."

Lighten up Meghan...

222 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:38:09pm

re: #202 Dark_Falcon

The second:

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Kudos on coming here. No trolling from me tonight.....at least not directed towards you :)

223 darthstar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:38:19pm
224 dragonath  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:38:35pm

The North Dakota Senate seat is turning out to be a surprise!

225 Kaessa  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:38:37pm
226 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:38:51pm

Obama has around another 20 million votes coming in.

227 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:38:59pm

re: #89 AK-47%

The only person conservative enough for Bryan Fischer is Bryan himself.

There's no one left but we and thee, and we're not sure of thee.

228 krypto  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:39:10pm

So what is the Republican Party's next Only Goal for America? -- Making Obama a two-term president?

229 darthstar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:39:31pm

re: #179 Dark_Falcon

Welcome to a brighter future for America, DF. Glad you came out to celebrate. I love you, man. I hate your politics, but you, as an American, I love.

Peace.

230 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:39:34pm

re: #173 ozbloke

At this point I would like to take a moment to thank Mr Ayers, Mr Wright, Mr Soros, all the Kenyen's and the Muslims and particularly the department and births, deaths and Marriages in the state of Hawaii. There are many others who I must thank but they know who they are.

I heard that he's also going to announce a full on focus on reparations for slavery during his inaugural.

231 KiTA  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:39:39pm

re: #228 krypto

So what is the Republican Party's next Only Goal for America -- Making Obama a two-term president?

Preventing Biden/Obama in 2016.

232 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:39:41pm

re: #228 krypto

So what is the Republican Party's next Only Goal for America -- Making Obama a two-term president?

#Winning

233 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:39:45pm

Apparently Fox is doing an excellent imitation of the GOP, trying to argue reality to match what they think it should be.

234 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:39:48pm

re: #224 dragonath

I think so too. Even if it was previously held by a (D) it was targeted in part of the "take back the Senate" effort by the RNC.

The RNC failed tonight.

Big time.

235 erik_t  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:40:01pm

I cannot comment with excessive verbiage. I have the drunk. Also the happy.

Happy real president, everyone.

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:40:09pm

re: #112 jaunte

Watch out for the sorest losers

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One of my husband's online buddies has a gun store.

He says business is already picking up. He's planning to jack up the price of ammo.

237 Joanne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:40:12pm

re: #134 JamesWI

I doubt it. I don't think that was ever a REAL possibility.

Shame. Zerban is a good guy.

238 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:40:15pm

The most populous state in the country has only reported 20% of their precincts, and Trump is screaming about how Romney has won the popular vote......

Yeah.....this man is just stupid.

239 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:40:28pm

re: #207 Targetpractice

The GOP needs an enema.

It would disappear completely.

240 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:40:33pm

re: #235 erik_t

also drunk who won????:)

241 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:40:44pm

I'm gonna be bold and call Va for Obama. Ronmey's numbers just keep slipping.

242 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:40:45pm

re: #239 Kragarghazi

It would disappear completely.

Dude, you're on fire tonight.

243 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:40:55pm

re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist

I hope everyone keeps their head.

244 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:41:01pm

Tammy Duckworth won! Walsh is gone. LOL. I wonder if he'll keep his government pension and lifetime healthcare?

245 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:41:03pm

re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist

One of my husband's online buddies has a gun store.

He says business is already picking up. He's planning to jack up the price of ammo.

I would.

246 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:41:05pm

re: #185 Petero1818

Meghan Kelly actually going live backstage to question the desk on why they called Ohio. This is funny as hell.

They should show her their O face.

247 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:41:20pm

Who's your daddy mommy? :D

248 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:41:22pm

re: #118 The Optimist

We may have a huge national debt, a stupid foreign policy, unemployment up the kazoo, and no future. But we won. yeah happy days. go Obama. we won.

USA! USA! USA!

249 darthstar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:41:36pm

Romney Campaign is NOT conceding Ohio...so what. We don't need it.

Nevada and Colorado will do it.

Stay classy to the end, Romney.

250 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:41:38pm

re: #246 goddamnedfrank

Oh SNAP")

251 Neutral President  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:41:42pm

I'll say this: In 2008 I was wrong. I am glad that the Obama Administration did not turn out how I thought it would. I am happy to be part of the celebration (or at least the sigh of relief anyway) this time around instead of acting like Hudson from Aliens because of some wildly incorrect perception.

252 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:41:47pm

So, is Ryan shoving his speech into the teleprompter against Romney wishes yet?

253 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:41:52pm

Sad day for America. Four more years of the same, only worse.

254 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:42:08pm

re: #249 darthstar

Romney Campaign is NOT conceding Ohio...so what. We don't need it.

Nevada and Colorado will do it.

Stay classy to the end, Romney.

We're going to get Va too.

255 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:42:11pm
256 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:42:13pm

Romney isn't conceding Ohio.
Ugh.

257 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:42:26pm

re: #249 darthstar

Romney Campaign is NOT conceding Ohio...so what. We don't need it.

Nevada and Colorado will do it.

Stay classy to the end, Romney.

Like I said, Willard's gonna fight this to the bitter end. There's mathematically no way left on the board for him to win, but still he's gonna fight.

258 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:42:34pm

Listening to Elizabeth Warren's acceptance speech. I think she might be crying.

259 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:42:34pm

re: #190 Shiplord Kirel

Wonderful results at the Fever Swamp:

OK. So, Let's Say Our Worst Fears Have Come To Fruition. What Options Do We Have? I Am Frightened.

Some patriot has this to say:HEY AMERICA! GO F YOURSELF! YOU WANT SOCIALISM? YOU CAN HAVE IT!

The Biggest Liar Wins

These are stories, not individual comments.

I've been saying to my wife who has to go back to the U.S. soon (damn it!), "Don't go near any Federal buildings for a while. If Obama wins there will be a lot of Timothy McVeighs out there."

260 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:42:37pm

re: #253 EdDantes

BAH really???? get thee gone. . .

261 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:42:37pm

Karl Rove is just desperately clinging to the last shreds of his reputation (that is, the reputation he has with the wingnuts). He won't go down without a fight!

262 Kaessa  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:42:39pm

Loving the tears on Facebook right now.

I may wind up kicked out of MILs house on Thanksgiving. Oops.

263 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:42:40pm
264 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:42:46pm

Found out yesterday that Jennifer Granholm was born in Canada.

Fuck! I was kind of hoping she might run in 2016.

265 Areopagitica  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:42:54pm

I wonder what Mitch McConnell is thinking......D'oh!

266 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:42:55pm

re: #253 EdDantes

Sad day for America. Four more years of the same, only worse.

Believe in America

267 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:43:05pm

re: #45 Talking Point Detective

Skew this pole, mothefuckers.

Aw gee. I've been predicting the same as Nate Silver all along. (Not that I'm smarter or better informed. I just figure he's smarter or better informed, so I'll go with his predictions and those of the election betting markets.)

Now, we get to see whether this next four years will be any improvement on the last four. My predictions:

(1) Economically, yes. The economy has some native resilience and that will make itself felt. Fracked natural gas may not be good for the environment, (it's less bad than coal, anyhow) but it won't be banned and cheap fuel won't hurt the year-by-year economic stats. The de-facto ban on coal will be moot. With any luck, by the time the gas runs low, we can have a lot of wind and solar up and running. But that's all for later, decades later probably.

(2) Socioeconomically, no. The hollowing out of the economy will continue. The top 20% will gather up most of what economic gains there are. The working poor will find full time jobs much harder to get, courtesy of the insurance mandates of Obamacare. If an employee is just part-time, the company doesn't have to offer health coverage. The coverage mandated is hugely expensive relative to entry-level middle class jobs, which makes it hugely more expensive to hire moderate-wage workers to full time positions. But that's not the only reason. Educationally, the nation is also hollowing out. We have good universities, some good private and charter schools, a few good public school systems, and an enormous mass of dysfunctional public school systems. Any chance of reforming the latter went out the window.

(3) Militarily, yes. The war in Iraq is over. The war in Afghanistan will wind down, the Taliban will take it back, and we will shrug. It'll be over. Our technology will improve, our soldiers will get a break from long tours of duty, and the money now going to operations can go to readiness and innovation.

(4) Fiscally, no. The new taxes Obama will get, and he can get them just by driving us over the fiscal cliff if the Republicans don't blink, will not begin to cover the spending rate he's already put in place. There will be inflation, our bonds will be downgraded, and the interest rate the nation must pay will rise.

It's hard to be insouciant about this scorecard. Item (2) is a downer. Item (4) was looking to materialize in some form whoever won. But opinions can differ over whether all this will come to pass. We shall see.

268 Joanne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:43:12pm

re: #152 BongGhazi

If your party has to evolve, why are you heartbroken that it lost?

Her party doesn't believe in evolution. She's fucked.

269 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:43:15pm

re: #253 EdDantes

Sad day for America. Four more years of the same, only worse.

Forgive me for not taking you seriously, but considering what all the wingnuts were saying about where we'd be now after Obama got elected the first time, you are full of it.

270 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:43:23pm

re: #202 Dark_Falcon

The second:

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...or a coalition less willing to take its marching orders from Rush Limbaugh and the rest of the radio troglodytes.

271 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:43:42pm

There is not a shred of dignity, grace, or resiliency in the reaction of the online wingnuts. They alternate between rage and despair, which will probably settle into sullen depression as their adrenaline runs down.

272 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:43:43pm

BBC has O 281 R 203

273 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:43:46pm

re: #252 Stanghazi

bah he is talking like he will be Mitt lite only LOCAL. . .ick

274 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:43:49pm

re: #253 EdDantes

Sad day for America. Four more years of the same, only worse.

Yeah, the GOP already promised to be even more obstructionist than they have been. Its sad they care so little about the country.

275 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:43:59pm

Karl Rove desperately spinning on Fox trying to explain how Ohio is going to go for Romney in his opinion.

276 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:44:03pm

Oh noze, Romney not conceding Ohio.

277 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:44:15pm

re: #253 EdDantes

Sad day for America. Four more years of the same, only worse.

if the difference in the stock market and monthly employment numbers are as much better four years from now as they are now from four years ago, we will be in the biggest economic boom you ever saw

278 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:44:15pm

Romney won't concede? He's in his dog crate thinking about it.

279 darthstar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:44:19pm
280 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:44:31pm

What do you want to bet Romney drops The Mother Of All Lies and accuse Obama of stealing the election?

I wouldn't put it past him.

281 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:44:53pm

re: #253 EdDantes

Sad day for America. Four more years of the same, only worse.

lol! Buck up. Given that the economy will improve and minorities are increasing, the GOP will have no choice but to eliminate the extremist wing if they have any hope of remaining politically viable.

282 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:44:55pm

re: #253 EdDantes

Sad day for America. Four more years of the same, only worse.

Natural attitude to have if you consider rape pregnancies God's gift to women, or vote for people who do. So screw you :)

283 darthstar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:44:58pm

There's no way Mitt Romney can lose the election without Ohio.

HAHAHAHAHAAA

284 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:45:11pm

re: #280 makeitstopghazi

What do you want to bet Romney drops The Mother Of All Lies and accuse Obama of stealing the election?

I wouldn't put it past him.

Well if he does that. Prepare your Sore Romneyman puns.

285 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:45:16pm

re: #236 SanFranciscoZionist

One of my husband's online buddies has a gun store.

He says business is already picking up. He's planning to jack up the price of ammo.

this is that great dynamic when people who know better use idiots who don't to promote their own personal ends. worked in 2008 and it will work again because regardless of what else, these people cannot and will not stop hating

286 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:45:18pm

!

287 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:45:20pm

re: #280 makeitstopghazi

What do you want to bet Romney drops The Mother Of All Lies and accuse Obama of stealing the election?

I wouldn't put it past him.

Not sure he'll outright say it, just insinuate it via comments about "voting irregularities" and how there's no clear mandate.

288 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:45:23pm

Politico called it; Obama 274

289 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:45:35pm

Krauthammer: Obama's won, but he's got no mandate.

290 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:45:38pm

Romney's going to break some nails, hanging on.

291 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:45:41pm

re: #253 EdDantes

Sad day for America. Four more years of the same, only worse.

Would you like one "waaaaah" or two?

292 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:45:49pm

Now I want Obama to take Florida just to rub salt in the wound....

293 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:46:10pm

re: #289 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Krauthammer: Obama's won, but he's got no mandate.

Oh please Krauthammer. When Bush won by one state in 2004, you were saying he had a clear mandate. Be consistent you right wing shit peddler.

294 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:46:10pm

re: #253 EdDantes

Sad day for America. Four more years of the same, only worse.

Your freedoms are being stolen from you. YES THEY ARE

295 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:46:27pm

re: #289 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Krauthammer: Obama's won, but he's got no mandate.

Spineless hack says what?

296 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:46:32pm

re: #259 Romantic Heretic

I've been saying to my wife who has to go back to the U.S. soon (damn it!), "Don't go near any Federal buildings for a while. If Obama wins there will be a lot of Timothy McVeighs out there."

What a crock.

297 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:46:39pm

re: #267 lostlakehiker

Aw gee. I've been predicting the same as Nate Silver all along. (Not that I'm smarter or better informed. I just figure he's smarter or better informed, so I'll go with his predictions and those of the election betting markets.)

Now, we get to see whether this next four years will be any improvement on the last four. My predictions:

(1) Economically, yes. The economy has some native resilience and that will make itself felt. Fracked natural gas may not be good for the environment, (it's less bad than coal, anyhow) but it won't be banned and cheap fuel won't hurt the year-by-year economic stats. The de-facto ban on coal will be moot. With any luck, by the time the gas runs low, we can have a lot of wind and solar up and running. But that's all for later, decades later probably.

(2) Socioeconomically, no. The hollowing out of the economy will continue. The top 20% will gather up most of what economic gains there are. The working poor will find full time jobs much harder to get, courtesy of the insurance mandates of Obamacare. If an employee is just part-time, the company doesn't have to offer health coverage. The coverage mandated is hugely expensive relative to entry-level middle class jobs, which makes it hugely more expensive to hire moderate-wage workers to full time positions. But that's not the only reason. Educationally, the nation is also hollowing out. We have good universities, some good private and charter schools, a few good public school systems, and an enormous mass of dysfunctional public school systems. Any chance of reforming the latter went out the window.

(3) Militarily, yes. The war in Iraq is over. The war in Afghanistan will wind down, the Taliban will take it back, and we will shrug. It'll be over. Our technology will improve, our soldiers will get a break from long tours of duty, and the money now going to operations can go to readiness and innovation.

(4) Fiscally, no. The new taxes Obama will get, and he can get them just by driving us over the fiscal cliff if the Republicans don't blink, will not begin to cover the spending rate he's already put in place. There will be inflation, our bonds will be downgraded, and the interest rate the nation must pay will rise.

It's hard to be insouciant about this scorecard. Item (2) is a downer. Item (4) was looking to materialize in some form whoever won. But opinions can differ over whether all this will come to pass. We shall see.

It must really suck to be so pessimistic.

298 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:46:59pm

re: #292 ghazidor

Now I want Obama to take Florida just to rub salt in the wound....

Salty Supreme Court Appointments.

299 bratwurst  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:47:01pm

Krauthammer debuting the post-loss talking point: "this is not an Obama mandate."

300 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:47:02pm

re: #253 EdDantes

Sad day for America. Four more years of the same, only worse.

Oh yeah, it would be so much better under the Male GOP Theocracy.

*spit*

301 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:47:09pm

re: #280 makeitstopghazi

What do you want to bet Romney drops The Mother Of All Lies and accuse Obama of stealing the election?

I wouldn't put it past him.

I'll bet he doesn't.

302 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:47:12pm

re: #259 Romantic Heretic

I've been saying to my wife who has to go back to the U.S. soon (damn it!), "Don't go near any Federal buildings for a while. If Obama wins there will be a lot of Timothy McVeighs out there."

These people cannot and will not stop hating. This election will concentrate and fuse their hatred into action.

303 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:47:13pm

re: #293 HappyBenghazi

Oh please Krauthammer. When Bush won by one state in 2004, you were saying he had a clear mandate. Be consistent you right wing shit peddler.

He's consistently a right-wing shit peddler. What more do you want?

304 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:47:20pm

Right now HuffPo has the Democrats holding 52 Senate seats with 4 more leaning their way.

If the Democratic party does end up with 56 Senators (including those caucusing with them), the RNC's effort to "take back" the Senate will have been a total failure, one that blew up in their face courtesy of Akin and Mourdock.

Justice.

305 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:47:21pm

Virginia now has Obama in the lead by 21K, and only heavily Democratic precincts left.

306 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:47:26pm

Dreams of a Supreme Court to strike down Roe v Wade dashed like so many ships upon rocky shores...

307 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:47:59pm

WEll I'm off to bed. HAve a good night everybody.

308 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:48:02pm

Funny Bush wins by one state in the EC and he has a clear mandate from the voters. Obama wins in what looks like a pretty big electoral win and it's not.

309 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:48:07pm

REP Party Mitt Romney 1,617,922 48.55%
DEM Party Barack Obama 1,661,703 49.86%
Virginia

310 bratwurst  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:48:16pm
311 boredtechindenver  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:48:24pm

Reposted from downstairs:

Karl Rove and Megyn Kelly don't believe the Fox Decision Desk. Romney's camp not accepting the call.
Krauthammer says Obama went "very negative" and doesn't have anywhere to go.

312 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:48:26pm

re: #229 darthstar

Welcome to a brighter future for America, DF. Glad you came out to celebrate. I love you, man. I hate your politics, but you, as an American, I love.

Peace.

Thank you for that. I'm going to head out again, I just wanted to drop by and admit I was wrong about the polls and Nate Silver was right. I congratulate the president on a well fought campaign, and I wish you all a fine evening.

313 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:48:28pm

re: #297 Talking Point Detective

It must really suck to be so pessimistic.

Well, the beauty of predictions is that we get to see, by and by, who was right and who was wrong.

314 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:48:36pm

re: #291 BongGhazi

Would you like one "waaaaah" or two?

Three good sir... Waaaaahhhh wahhhhhh waaaaaaahhhhhhhhh (loosing horns)

315 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:48:50pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

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STATISTICS

316 KiTA  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:48:52pm

re: #280 makeitstopghazi

What do you want to bet Romney drops The Mother Of All Lies and accuse Obama of stealing the election?

I wouldn't put it past him.

Someone pointed out the only way Rove and Romney could be so adamant that they won Ohio is if they thought the fix was in.

317 Petero1818  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:49:12pm

CNN just gave Nevada to Obama.

318 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:49:13pm

re: #285 AK-47%

this is that great dynamic when people who know better use idiots who don't to promote their own personal ends. worked in 2008 and it will work again because regardless of what else, these people cannot and will not stop hating

Gun industry has made record profits since Obama took office. Do you really think they wanted him to lose?

Remember, the GOP is the party of money.

319 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:49:15pm
320 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:49:15pm

Nevada.

321 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:49:25pm

So, do the Demons come riding in on the gay seeking hurricanes to destroy America now or do they wait till Obama gets sworn in again in January?

322 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:49:31pm

re: #313 lostlakehiker

Well, the beauty of predictions is that we get to see, by and by, who was right and who was wrong.

I look forward to that. Because you are going to be wrong on almost all counts.

323 Batman  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:49:36pm

With OH, FL and VA being so incredibly close, we're going to be hearing calls for recounts and about voter fraud conspiracies from the right for the next four years.

324 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:49:44pm

Having just popped in, I think I'm ready to toddle off to bed. This day has been exhausting, but thank dog it has ended very well.

325 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:50:07pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for that. I'm going to head out again, I just wanted to drop by and admit I was wrong about the polls and Nate Silver was right. I congratulate the president on a well fought campaign, and I wish you all a fine evening.

Dark, I just want you to know that I hold absolutely no animosity towards you. You held onto your convictions, saw them through, and have now accepted defeat with grace. A lot of folks could learn from your example.

326 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:50:20pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

awwww you know I love you like a little cherished baby bro right, in the most respectful of ways- hope you are well:)

327 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:50:22pm

Lol. FoxNews.

328 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:50:23pm

re: #317 Petero1818

CNN just gave Nevada to Obama.

re: #320 HappyBenghazi

Nevada.

Huh. I have Fox on and they didn't make a peep. Go fig.

329 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:50:28pm

bitter freepers counsel revenge:

It’s time for the people who make this country work to put up or shut up. It’s time to make the deadbeats feel some pain IMHO.

1) Minimize your spending. Take your savings out of the economy and hide it as best as you can.
2) In the same vein, take as much of your economic activity to the black market / cash only market as you can.
3) If you are thinking about closing your business down, go ahead
4) If you are keeping your business running, take a strong look at who you are hiring and firing (ie consider firing minorities and single women)
5) If you are a doctor begin limiting your patients or only take cash payments.
6) If you produce food (farmers) consider reducing your output to drive up prices and help Michelle O. with her fight on fat.
7)Do not associate, coach, elevate, or help in any way those who trend Democrat. This includes charities.
8)If you are working hard to try and get ahead. Stop - enjoy your life and family while you still can.
9) Do not associate with liberal bastions such as schools, colleges, and the entertainment industry. Consider homeschooling your kids.
10) Move to a red state and start pushing for secession.

330 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:50:33pm
331 Usually refered to as anyways  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:50:39pm

re: #230 Talking Point Detective

I heard that he's also going to announce a full on focus on reparations for slavery during his inaugural.

Wouldn't miss it for the world!

332 funky chicken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:50:52pm

re: #289 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Krauthammer: Obama's won, but he's got no mandate.

I think the results of US Senate races say otherwise.

333 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:51:00pm

re: #330 Kragarghazi

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Well Erick, you should be thanking Mitt's team too.

334 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:51:23pm

re: #329 engineer cat

bitter freepers counsel revenge:

It’s time for the people who make this country work to put up or shut up. It’s time to make the deadbeats feel some pain IMHO.

1) Minimize your spending. Take your savings out of the economy and hide it as best as you can.
2) In the same vein, take as much of your economic activity to the black market / cash only market as you can.
3) If you are thinking about closing your business down, go ahead
4) If you are keeping your business running, take a strong look at who you are hiring and firing (ie consider firing minorities and single women)
5) If you are a doctor begin limiting your patients or only take cash payments.
6) If you produce food (farmers) consider reducing your output to drive up prices and help Michelle O. with her fight on fat.
7)Do not associate, coach, elevate, or help in any way those who trend Democrat. This includes charities.
8)If you are working hard to try and get ahead. Stop - enjoy your life and family while you still can.
9) Do not associate with liberal bastions such as schools, colleges, and the entertainment industry. Consider homeschooling your kids.
10) Move to a red state and start pushing for secession.

Believe in America.

335 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:51:40pm

re: #329 engineer cat

bitter freepers counsel revenge:

It’s time for the people who make this country work to put up or shut up. It’s time to make the deadbeats feel some pain IMHO.

1) Minimize your spending. Take your savings out of the economy and hide it as best as you can.
2) In the same vein, take as much of your economic activity to the black market / cash only market as you can.
3) If you are thinking about closing your business down, go ahead
4) If you are keeping your business running, take a strong look at who you are hiring and firing (ie consider firing minorities and single women)
5) If you are a doctor begin limiting your patients or only take cash payments.
6) If you produce food (farmers) consider reducing your output to drive up prices and help Michelle O. with her fight on fat.
7)Do not associate, coach, elevate, or help in any way those who trend Democrat. This includes charities.
8)If you are working hard to try and get ahead. Stop - enjoy your life and family while you still can.
9) Do not associate with liberal bastions such as schools, colleges, and the entertainment industry. Consider homeschooling your kids.
10) Move to a red state and start pushing for secession.

Let me sum it up: To save America, be less American...

336 calochortus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:51:41pm

re: #329 engineer cat

bitter freepers counsel revenge:

It’s time for the people who make this country work to put up or shut up. It’s time to make the deadbeats feel some pain IMHO.

1) Minimize your spending. Take your savings out of the economy and hide it as best as you can.
2) In the same vein, take as much of your economic activity to the black market / cash only market as you can.
3) If you are thinking about closing your business down, go ahead
4) If you are keeping your business running, take a strong look at who you are hiring and firing (ie consider firing minorities and single women)
5) If you are a doctor begin limiting your patients or only take cash payments.
6) If you produce food (farmers) consider reducing your output to drive up prices and help Michelle O. with her fight on fat.
7)Do not associate, coach, elevate, or help in any way those who trend Democrat. This includes charities.
8)If you are working hard to try and get ahead. Stop - enjoy your life and family while you still can.
9) Do not associate with liberal bastions such as schools, colleges, and the entertainment industry. Consider homeschooling your kids.
10) Move to a red state and start pushing for secession.

11.) Cut off your nose to spite your face.

337 simoom  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:52:03pm

re: #275 ghazidor

Karl Rove desperately spinning on Fox trying to explain how Ohio is going to go for Romney in his opinion.

Rove heads one of the biggest pro-Romney dark money Super PACs. It's ridiculous he's given any credibility at all, instead of being taken as pure propaganda voice for the GOP & his billionaire investors.

338 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:52:20pm

re: #325 Targetpractice

what was said here- I agree

339 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:52:22pm

re: #329 engineer cat

bitter freepers counsel revenge:

It’s time for the people who make this country work to put up or shut up. It’s time to make the deadbeats feel some pain IMHO.

1) Minimize your spending. Take your savings out of the economy and hide it as best as you can.
2) In the same vein, take as much of your economic activity to the black market / cash only market as you can.
3) If you are thinking about closing your business down, go ahead
4) If you are keeping your business running, take a strong look at who you are hiring and firing (ie consider firing minorities and single women)
5) If you are a doctor begin limiting your patients or only take cash payments.
6) If you produce food (farmers) consider reducing your output to drive up prices and help Michelle O. with her fight on fat.
7)Do not associate, coach, elevate, or help in any way those who trend Democrat. This includes charities.
8)If you are working hard to try and get ahead. Stop - enjoy your life and family while you still can.
9) Do not associate with liberal bastions such as schools, colleges, and the entertainment industry. Consider homeschooling your kids.
10) Move to a red state and start pushing for secession.

11) Stay off the internet, They can see whatever you do on the internet!
Communicate only in person.

340 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:52:25pm

Awesome!

341 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:52:37pm

re: #321 Kragarghazi

So, do the Demons come riding in on the gay seeking hurricanes to destroy America now or do they wait till Obama gets sworn in again in January?

NO, the bad weather has nothing to do with science and the way the world works--it has to do with the *fact* that G-d isn't happy that the LGBT community has a voice in America.

*spit*

342 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:52:52pm

re: #337 simoom

Rove heads one of the biggest pro-Romney dark money Super PACs. It's ridiculous he's given any credibility at all, instead of being taken as pure propaganda voice for the GOP & his billionaire investors.

Dark money investors = Money Laundering Racketeers

343 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:52:54pm

re: #329 engineer cat

bitter freepers counsel revenge:

It’s time for the people who make this country work to put up or shut up. It’s time to make the deadbeats feel some pain IMHO.

1) Minimize your spending. Take your savings out of the economy and hide it as best as you can.
2) In the same vein, take as much of your economic activity to the black market / cash only market as you can.
3) If you are thinking about closing your business down, go ahead
4) If you are keeping your business running, take a strong look at who you are hiring and firing (ie consider firing minorities and single women)
5) If you are a doctor begin limiting your patients or only take cash payments.
6) If you produce food (farmers) consider reducing your output to drive up prices and help Michelle O. with her fight on fat.
7)Do not associate, coach, elevate, or help in any way those who trend Democrat. This includes charities.
8)If you are working hard to try and get ahead. Stop - enjoy your life and family while you still can.
9) Do not associate with liberal bastions such as schools, colleges, and the entertainment industry. Consider homeschooling your kids.
10) Move to a red state and start pushing for secession.

And so we watch as the sore losers grab their ball and go home.

344 Neutral President  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:52:57pm

Fat Lady is signing 332 to 206 now. I didn't expect Nevada to go blue.

345 gwangung  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:53:14pm

re: #253 EdDantes

Sad day for America. Four more years of the same, only worse.

Doesn't have to be, you know. Republicans could just...compromise.

346 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:53:17pm

Krauthammer on Fox, this is bad news because it will only make Repubs harden their stance against anything Obama proposes and lead to terminal gridlock. Obama has no mandate, no large popular advantage and no majority in congress, the Repub future is still bright!

So basically it is right back to "We hope he fails, and even more than that, we are going to make sure that he does."

AKA: "Fuck you America! You'll be fucking sorry you didn't vote for us!"

347 Randall Gross  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:53:19pm

You know, when you really rape the electorate the body politic has a way of shutting that down...

348 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:53:44pm

Will Donald Trump move to Scotland?

349 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:53:52pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for that. I'm going to head out again, I just wanted to drop by and admit I was wrong about the polls and Nate Silver was right. I congratulate the president on a well fought campaign, and I wish you all a fine evening.

What happened to all the other conservatives like you?

350 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:54:00pm

Steve King likely has kept his seat in the House.

Yes, we'll have two more years of King warning us about the evils of libruls and atheists.

351 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:54:01pm

re: #328 Benghazzy Ben Ross

IKR??? Sort of a weird post election ass kicking mode. . .

352 Petero1818  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:54:01pm

CNN just pointed out that at this moment Romney is actually leading in Ohio. weird.

353 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:54:10pm

margin getting super too close in ohio, but pundits saying blue districts still to come in

but fl and va much closer to full count and still leading blue

354 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:54:12pm

re: #259 Romantic Heretic

I've been saying to my wife who has to go back to the U.S. soon (damn it!), "Don't go near any Federal buildings for a while. If Obama wins there will be a lot of Timothy McVeighs out there."

Most of the dangerous ones are more likely to get into "sovereign citizen" gunfights with traffic stop cops than anything else. Still they are one of the reasons I have my CCL.

355 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:54:12pm
356 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:54:14pm

re: #348 jaunte

Will Donald Trump move to Scotland?

They don't want him.

357 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:54:26pm

Same-sex marriage proponents leading by 30K votes up here in Maine.

Got my fingers crossed on this one.

358 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:54:26pm

C-SPAN caller talking about how he voted for Luap Nor. because

this voter has values!

359 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:54:45pm

re: #356 Kragarghazi

They don't want him.

Yeah my cousin's in laws over there. He's despised.

360 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:54:52pm

Love you guys, what a home for a wonk!

361 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:55:13pm

The Tea Party is not a social issues party. Sure, Alex, sure.

362 efuseakay  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:55:15pm

Local ABC News. Romney questioning Ohio results. And so it begins. lol

363 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:55:38pm

re: #352 Petero1818

By a very small margin.

Will it flip?

Well, if it does it won't matter because FL and VA now look good for Obama.

However, I suspect that OH will be forced into court given all the shenanigans.

364 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:55:41pm
365 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:55:43pm

re: #362 efuseakay

Local ABC News. Romney questioning Ohio results. And so it begins. lol

You lost, Willard. Get over it.

366 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:55:52pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for that. I'm going to head out again, I just wanted to drop by and admit I was wrong about the polls and Nate Silver was right. I congratulate the president on a well fought campaign, and I wish you all a fine evening.

A good one to you as well!

367 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:55:57pm

re: #362 efuseakay

The Once and Future Douchebag.

368 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:56:26pm

i don't like it, 82% in ohio and romney now leading the count

these projectionists better be right...

369 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:56:39pm

50% WIN!!!

370 EPR-radar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:56:43pm

re: #118 The Optimist

We may have a huge national debt, a stupid foreign policy, unemployment up the kazoo, and no future. But we won. yeah happy days. go Obama. we won.

Like movement conservative insanity has answers to any of this...

The debt is mainly from W. Own it.

371 bratwurst  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:56:45pm
372 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:56:47pm

Obama's inaugural:

This May Not Be The Ideal Moment Politically, But It’s Time To Talk Reparations

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

373 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:56:49pm

RWNJ Congressman Roscoe Bartlett from Maryland loses. He was redistricted somewhat, but anyway, buh bye.

374 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:56:54pm

re: #368 engineer cat

i don't like it, 82% in ohio and romney now leading the count

these projectionists better be right...

Look at where they haven't counted it yet.

375 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:56:57pm

Turd Blossom is contesting Fox calling the election for Ohio.

376 CuriousLurker  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:57:07pm

I've got an early day tomorrow, so I'm out. Thanks for your company, everyone.

Charles, thanks for... everything.

377 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:57:11pm

Aunt Joan (Yellow Dog Democrat) called.

YAY

378 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:57:22pm

re: #368 engineer cat

It depends upon the uncounted precincts.

The smaller precincts in states tend to be counted first, given that there are many fewer ballots.

379 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:57:25pm

[Link: www.jsonline.com...]

Fall back position. . .huh

380 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:57:26pm

I know just enough Spanish to read this without using the stupid Google Translate thing.

Later, lizards.

381 Talking Point Detective  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:57:28pm

Bush's brain is having an aneurism.

382 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:57:28pm

Maryland's Dream Act for undocument immigrants to get in-state tuition also passes.

383 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:57:34pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for that. I'm going to head out again, I just wanted to drop by and admit I was wrong about the polls and Nate Silver was right. I congratulate the president on a well fought campaign, and I wish you all a fine evening.

**HUGS**

384 darthstar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:57:45pm
385 Petero1818  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:58:15pm

re: #370 EPR-radar

Like movement conservative insanity has answers to any of this...

The debt is mainly from W. Own it.

The truth is the debt belongs to all Americans, and all Americans need to own it. Until that is understood, there will continue to be partisans that put party ahead of Country.

386 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:58:37pm

re: #329 engineer cat

bitter freepers counsel revenge:

It’s time for the people who make this country work to put up or shut up. It’s time to make the deadbeats feel some pain IMHO.

1) Minimize your spending. Take your savings out of the economy and hide it as best as you can.
2) In the same vein, take as much of your economic activity to the black market / cash only market as you can.
3) If you are thinking about closing your business down, go ahead
4) If you are keeping your business running, take a strong look at who you are hiring and firing (ie consider firing minorities and single women)
5) If you are a doctor begin limiting your patients or only take cash payments.
6) If you produce food (farmers) consider reducing your output to drive up prices and help Michelle O. with her fight on fat.
7)Do not associate, coach, elevate, or help in any way those who trend Democrat. This includes charities.
8)If you are working hard to try and get ahead. Stop - enjoy your life and family while you still can.
9) Do not associate with liberal bastions such as schools, colleges, and the entertainment industry. Consider homeschooling your kids.
10) Move to a red state and start pushing for secession.

Yes. Trash your life and become a bitter reclusive lunatic because a guy you don't like won the presidency for four years. Destroy the career you put your life into. Reduce your income. Lash out at your neighbors. Deprive yourself and your children of education. Attempt to destroy the Union.

That will show them!

387 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:59:08pm

REP Party Mitt Romney 1,662,500 48.44%
DEM Party Barack Obama 1,715,067 49.97%

388 darthstar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:59:10pm

Personally, I don't mind if Romney drags this out for another hour or two. A little fresh air is good for an open wound.

389 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:59:14pm

And, if Cuyahoga County hasn't been counted yet, then they might as well forget it.
That's Union country.

390 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:59:16pm

re: #302 AK-47%

These people cannot and will not stop hating. This election will concentrate and fuse their hatred into action.

Hopefully not, keyboard warriors and juvenile trolls (free republic is chock full of them) don't worry me all that much anyway.

391 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:59:28pm

Or if I may quote Jon Stewart...

I guess he found that fuckin' light switch, huh?

392 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:59:32pm

Now there is a lady on the phone that can't understand math. There are $1M votes in Ohio that aren't counted and she's tired of the Democrats lying that Obama has won.

393 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 8:59:45pm

re: #277 engineer cat

if the difference in the stock market and monthly employment numbers are as much better four years from now as they are now from four years ago, we will be in the biggest economic boom you ever saw

There isn't going to be any big stock market boom. Price-earnings ratios are in line with historical norms now. Earnings aren't going to double, especially not after-tax earnings. Dividend and capital gains returns from stocks will become less attractive as the tax laws change. All this means that the market will have a headwind.

Look for fewer full time employees in four years than we have now, and fewer people participating in the labor market. Whether you call it unemployment, or whether those not working end up classified as disabled, discouraged, retired early, or what have you, the real unemployment rate is in a secular rise. The modest recovery we will probably see will not much offset that trend.

394 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:00:05pm

re: #389 OhNoBenghazi!

And, if Cuyahoga County hasn't been counted yet, then they might as well forget it.
That's Union country.

Isn't that the most Democratic county in the state?

395 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:00:33pm

THE HORROR

the horror

396 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:00:43pm

Va Obama +56000

397 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:00:49pm

Oh, cagey Fox, using the county map to make the US look like a sea of red.

398 Randall Gross  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:00:51pm

I think we need to serve up a healthy helping of vindication to several people at this blog, proprietor most of all.

399 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:01:04pm

re: #384 darthstar

Image: 554167_10151319967196081_488863365_n.jpg

He's too chicken/weird to give a respectable concession speech.

400 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:01:12pm

re: #386 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. Trash your life and become a bitter reclusive lunatic because a guy you don't like won the presidency for four years. Destroy the career you put your life into. Reduce your income. Lash out at your neighbors. Deprive yourself and your children of education. Attempt to destroy the Union.

That will show them!

There is one tiny grain of truth: at some point the economy is going to collapse. That has nothing to do with our choice of party, it is simply the collapse that we managed to stave off in 2008/9 catching up with us.

Romney's policies might have staved it off a bit longer, but the results would have been that much more diastrous for more of us when it did hit. Under Obama, it will likely be broader but not as deep.

401 b_Snark  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:01:17pm

Listen to The Donald cry. ROTFLMAO

I took a nap, woke up to good news. Yah!!

402 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:01:26pm

re: #394 HappyBenghazi

Isn't that the most Democratic county in the state?

Yep. That's Cleveland.

403 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:01:26pm

re: #352 Petero1818

CNN just pointed out that at this moment Romney is actually leading in Ohio. weird.

re: #368 engineer cat

i don't like it, 82% in ohio and romney now leading the count

these projectionists better be right...

Cuyahoga County is only 49% reported and Obama is currently leading there by over 150K votes.

404 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:01:29pm

Fox calls Nevada for Obama.

405 Petero1818  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:01:30pm

re: #395 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

THE HORROR

[Embedded content]

the horror

To be fair there is a possibility that the death panel deems the country worth saving....

406 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:01:32pm

re: #395 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

THE HORROR

[Embedded content]

the horror

This is the end,
My only friend, the end...

407 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:01:56pm

Once more, with feeling:

Cockpunch.

408 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:02:06pm

re: #316 KiTA

Someone pointed out the only way Rove and Romney could be so adamant that they won Ohio is if they thought the fix was in.

Someone is missing the obvious: Romney doesn't want to concede until it's absolutely clear that he's lost Ohio. There are provisional ballots, etc. and projections do not come from God.

409 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:02:56pm

A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words
[Link: www.motherjones.com...]

410 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:02:56pm

re: #403 goddamnedfrank

re: #368 engineer cat

Cuyahoga County is only 49% reported and Obama is currently leading there by over 150K votes.

No worries.
Ford, Chrysler, and poor old big steel live there.

411 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:03:13pm

re: #408 lostlakehiker

Someone is missing the obvious: Romney doesn't want to concede until it's absolutely clear that he's lost Ohio. There are provisional ballots, etc. and projections do not come from God.

And what about the fact that he still loses even if he wins Ohio?

412 Randall Gross  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:03:13pm

How long before they call Florida?

413 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:03:14pm

re: #407 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea

Once more, with feeling:

Cockpunch.

nononoit goes:

Once more, with feeling,

Step right up,
it's around the back,
just a half a mile form the railroad track . . .

414 Neutral President  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:03:21pm

re: #392 Gretchen G.Tiger

Now there is a lady on the phone that can't understand math. There are $1M votes in Ohio that aren't counted and she's tired of the Democrats lying that Obama has won.

Never underestimate the inability of the average person to comprehend simple math.

415 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:03:32pm

re: #411 Benghazzy Ben Ross

And what about the fact that he still loses even if he wins Ohio?

Exactly.

416 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:03:43pm
417 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:03:46pm

re: #393 lostlakehiker

There isn't going to be any big stock market boom. Price-earnings ratios are in line with historical norms now. Earnings aren't going to double, especially not after-tax earnings. Dividend and capital gains returns from stocks will become less attractive as the tax laws change. All this means that the market will have a headwind.

Look for fewer full time employees in four years than we have now, and fewer people participating in the labor market. Whether you call it unemployment, or whether those not working end up classified as disabled, discouraged, retired early, or what have you, the real unemployment rate is in a secular rise. The modest recovery we will probably see will not much offset that trend.

Eeyore haz a sad.

418 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:03:52pm

re: #397 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Oh, cagey Fox, using the county map to make the US look like a sea of red.

CNN just did the same thing, as John King told us all that 'this is a center-right country.'

419 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:03:56pm

Many major urban areas have barely had their votes counted yet.

San Francisco has reported zero votes.

Most of LA and SD counties are yet to be counted, as well as the over all Bay area of NoCal.

Half of NY has yet to check in.

The wingnuts are pretending the popular vote is close. But come the dawn their delusions will flee before the morning rays of light.

420 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:04:00pm

Fox: This battle isn't over, we have yet to call certain states.

421 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:04:02pm

re: #397 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Oh, cagey Fox, using the county map to make the US look like a sea of red.

That's literally a two-dimensional view of the situation. A more honest map would be 3D, with counties given a column whose elevation was the population per square mile.

Everybody could think of it as if each column were a funny shaped glass of water, and the total amount of blue water would be visibly comparable to the total amount of red water. It'd take a fine eye to discern which combination of "glasses" held more water.

422 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:04:09pm

re: #411 Benghazzy Ben Ross

And what about the fact that he still loses even if he wins Ohio?

Image: Z4ZvF.jpg

423 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:04:31pm

re: #420 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Fox: This battle isn't over, we have yet to call certain states.

They are desperate to not lose viewers.

424 Usually refered to as anyways  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:04:34pm

Show me the concession speech.

Please
Please please
Pretty please...
Oh the joy.

425 b_Snark  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:04:42pm

re: #386 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. Trash your life and become a bitter reclusive lunatic because a guy you don't like won the presidency for four years. Destroy the career you put your life into. Reduce your income. Lash out at your neighbors. Deprive yourself and your children of education. Attempt to destroy the Union.

That will show them!

Children stamp their feet and pout.

426 abolitionist  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:04:48pm

re: #253 EdDantes

Sad day for America. Four more years of the same, only worse.

Don't think we will need to rescue the auto industry and Wall Street, or lose sleep over OBL this time.

427 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:05:07pm

VA called for Obama.

428 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:05:40pm

re: #411 Benghazzy Ben Ross

And what about the fact that he still loses even if he wins Ohio?

You sure? Could be, but some of those results may also be more projections than settled, counted realities. I really don't expect a charge of fraud. It would be entirely out of character for Romney, at least by my estimate of his character.

429 darthstar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:07:05pm
430 srjh  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:07:09pm

Seems NYT is putting Ohio in the "leads Romney" column, but it seems Obama has it secured without it.

431 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:07:48pm

re: #408 lostlakehiker

Someone is missing the obvious: Romney doesn't want to concede until it's absolutely clear that he's lost Ohio. There are provisional ballots, etc. and projections do not come from God.

There has been a concerted effort to "adjust" voting here in Ohio by our Sec. of State.
I think Obama won Ohio. But based on history, the fact that Rove is so adamant about this causes my spidey senses to tingle.

432 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:07:51pm

re: #387 Varek Raith

REP Party Mitt Romney 1,662,500 48.44%
DEM Party Barack Obama 1,715,067 49.97%

I gotta admit that I like seeing those numbers go up.

Still, it would have been fittingly ironic had Virgil Goode's vote total been the margin that put Obama over the top.

433 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:08:12pm

re: #429 darthstar

Glenn Beck's prediction from last week.

Beck: Romney's 321-217 Election Win Will Deliver a 'Mandate' & 'Giant Spanking' to Obama

Maybe Beck ---oh never mind.

so irrevelant a person to even make a bad joke about.

434 Tigger2  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:08:50pm

re: #334 Bulworth

Believe in America.

I think they have officially lost their title of True Patriots.

435 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:10:45pm

re: #345 gwangung

Compromise on raising taxes in a bad economy. Compromise on energy produon. Obama will not compromise on anything. He supresses energy production, engages in class warfare and does nothing to release capital into the economy. The economy will be worse four years from now if he doesnt wise up.

436 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:11:18pm

YAY!

437 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:11:46pm

re: #56 jaunte

Asked and answered:

[Embedded content]

Shithead apparently deleted that tweet, just as I'm sure that he'll soon blackhole this one too:


To which my response was something along the lines of "I somehow don't think you had a problem with the EC in 2000".

438 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:13:03pm

re: #386 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. Trash your life and become a bitter reclusive lunatic because a guy you don't like won the presidency for four years. Destroy the career you put your life into. Reduce your income. Lash out at your neighbors. Deprive yourself and your children of education. Attempt to destroy the Union.

That will show them!

Jesus H. Christ, that's fucking unhinged Freeperness there...

439 mr.fusion  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:14:20pm

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees

440 EPR-radar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:15:01pm

re: #385 Petero1818

The truth is the debt belongs to all Americans, and all Americans need to own it. Until that is understood, there will continue to be partisans that put party ahead of Country.

The Rs own most of the responsibility for running up the debt under W (unfunded wars, irresponsible tax cuts). Owning that means undoing these policies, rather than balancing the budget by gutting everything else.

Of course, we are all collectively stuck with the bills, but there is no reasonable way to claim that Ds are worse than (or even remotely comparable to) the Rs in terms of putting party over country.

441 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:16:36pm

re: #202 Dark_Falcon

The second:

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One is a function of the other: if the GOP keeps pushing positions and policies that are hostile to women and minorities, then the party will eventually become the Old White Male Party.

442 Romantic Heretic  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:18:33pm

re: #435 EdDantes

Compromise on raising taxes in a bad economy. Compromise on energy produon. Obama will not compromise on anything. He supresses energy production, engages in class warfare and does nothing to release capital into the economy. The economy will be worse four years from now if he doesnt wise up.

Um. Do you have any links to prove those assertions? Or is that the alcohol talking?

443 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:20:02pm

re: #435 EdDantes

You really need to get your talking points from a place other than Rush Limbaugh's rectal passageway.

444 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:20:22pm

Tammy Baldwin giving her victory speech..

445 recusancy  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:24:40pm

Anybody have a good online county specific map for the pres election?

446 steve_davis  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:26:48pm

re: #289 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Krauthammer: Obama's won, but he's got no mandate.

He does if he's in Maryland. It's legal now! But he's in Chicago, so it's the Michelle Date for him.

447 bkool  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:33:07pm

I'm so happy that Obama won reelection, especially as a gay man with a partner. Unfortunately, I just don't see the crazy right wing getting a reality check for several more years. I think it would take another landslide Democratic victory in 2016.

Looking at the right wing blogs, it looks like it's time to "go galt" (again!?). These were sites where they were laughing at liberals for thinking Obama was going to win. These were places where Obama supporters were "not living in reality".

Math and science means nothing to these people. It's mind boggling. And I don't see them realizing it any time soon.

448 Bubblehead II  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:39:52pm

Night Lizards. Will see you in the Morning after the dust has cleared.

449 Bulworth  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 9:45:35pm

Looks like gay marriage referendum (Legislature passed law, opponents got enough signatures to repeal it on the ballot) has passed in Maryland.

450 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:30:17pm

re: #417 goddamnedfrank

Eeyore haz a sad.

Eeyore has a bad case of realism. You don't actually think the markets are going to double, do you? And what makes me exceptional in thinking it won't? If the consensus was that it would, the market would already have hopped to nearly that doubling you say you expect. Markets are like that.

As to employment, we've seen the real rate of unemployment go sideways or up for quite a while now. Labor force participation is down. Disability rates are up, even though the incidence of disabling injuries is down. (There, a spot of good news.) Unemployment is tending to last longer. The next generation is not getting the education it needs to step into high skill work.

These are reasons not to expect any but the most modest amelioration of the difficulty the second and third quintile of the population, economy-wise, are mired in. The bottom quintile will get more help from the government. The top quintile will gain a little pre-tax income, and more or less break even after taxes are factored in. And if it doesn't break even, that doesn't spell ruin. It just spells cutbacks. The middle is in for a rough ride.

451 DREd  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:41:42pm

Fox is so amazing right now. They're just yelling at each other.


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