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This Grueling Election Is Over, and the Good Guys Won

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Mitt Romney just gave his concession speech. It’s over. All the lying, all the race-baiting, all the obscene amounts of money … all over.

And Barack Obama wins a second term.

I know, I already posted that … but I just like saying it.

UPDATE at 11/6/12 10:11:22 pm

A photo of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Michelle Obama, and Jill Biden, right after hearing that the election was over.

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1207 comments

1 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:04:15pm

Todd Akin got his ass whipped.

2 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:04:45pm

I think the story is that the Good Girls Won.

3 darthstar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:04:55pm

Oh, there's more race baiting to come...don't worry about that. But the election is over, and my wife gets her election-obsessed husband back.

4 ninja cat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:04:59pm

NBC projecting a West loss.

5 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:04:59pm

Hopefully the huge waste of money to try to elect Mitt Romney will make people think twice about using their money like that again, rather than doubling down.

They'll probably double down.

6 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:05:11pm

Tammy Baldwin won :)

7 Mattand  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:05:34pm

I actually feel a sense of relief. For now, at any rate.

8 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:06:06pm

Sheldon Adelson's going to have to go to China to visit his money now.

9 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:06:16pm
10 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:06:31pm

Akin currently has less than 40% of the vote.

The Republicans were supposed to win this race.

I wonder if the RNC has learned anything here?

11 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:06:40pm

The election is over, the carping has already begun.

12 Cap'n Magic  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:06:50pm

Now that he doesn't need to run again, he can, as Chris Rock stated, go gangsta.

Now the $64,000 question would go, go gangsta against whom?

13 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:06:57pm

re: #4 ninja cat

NBC projecting a West loss.

Lying ass war criminal gets the boot.

About damned time!

14 SteelGHAZI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:06:57pm

re: #2 freetoken

I think the story is that the Good Girls Won.

How about protagonists? :D

15 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:07:00pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

2016 has already begun.

16 Mattand  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:07:04pm

re: #9 Benghazzy Ben Ross

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Well, that didn't take long.

17 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:07:05pm

re: #9 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Some people just can't learn.

18 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:07:18pm

re: #9 Benghazzy Ben Ross

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Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!

19 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:07:30pm

re: #17 jaunte

Some people just can't learn stop hating.

20 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:07:30pm

Fox just called Virginia for Obama. Going to be a solid win in the electoral college, and by tomorrow it will be one in the popular vote too.

21 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:07:37pm

re: #10 freetoken

Akin currently has less than 40% of the vote.

The Republicans were supposed to win this race.

I wonder if the RNC has learned anything here?

Full metal conservatism can never fail. It can only be failed.

22 efuseakay  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:07:55pm

re: #10 freetoken

Akin currently has less than 40% of the vote.

The Republicans were supposed to win this race.

I wonder if the RNC has learned anything here?

Akin wasn't far enough right! Sig heil!!!

23 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:07:58pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!

Forget it, he's rolling...

24 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:08:48pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!

Those long range intercontinental JU-87 Stukas were a real bitch, you know.

//(I hope it was obvious)//

25 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:08:49pm

re: #4 ninja cat

NBC projecting a West loss.

Another Palin inflicted wound we would all be better off without, good.

26 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:08:56pm

re: #20 ghazidor

Fox just called Virginia for Obama. Going to be a solid win in the electoral college, and tomorrow it will be one in the popular vote too.

Think the only swing state that Willard won was NC. Every other one, including the Big Two, went to Obama.

Silver was right: Anybody who called this election "too close to call" was either lying or delusional.

27 dragonath  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:09:11pm

ND Senate:

Heidi Heitkamp (D)
51% 154,882
Rick Berg (R)
49% 149,836

96% in

28 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:09:15pm

re: #15 freetoken

2016 has already begun.

2014 first...

29 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:09:51pm

re: #11 Targetpractice

The election is over, the carping has already begun.

while the republican party flounders around...

30 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:10:19pm

re: #15 freetoken

2016 has already begun.

I will destroy your planet first!

31 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:10:22pm

re: #9 Benghazzy Ben Ross

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What a Shithead for Jesus...

32 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:10:39pm

Begala making a good point about moderates and independents.

33 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:10:43pm

re: #30 Varek Raith

I will destroy your planet first!

Over the fiscal cliff, Obamatons!

34 Blizard  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:10:51pm

Celebrating here in CO!!! God blessed America!!

35 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:00pm

And tomorrow if I turn on the TV, I can look forward to an endless diet of drug and car commercials. After practically spraining my finger hitting the mute button for the last -- what was it, ten thousand years? Ah, the peace and quiet....

36 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:20pm

re: #29 engineer cat

while the republican party flounders around...

The RWNJs got their bass-es kicked a bit tonight...

37 gwangung  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:23pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

Think the only swing state that Willard won was NC. Every other one, including the Big Two, went to Obama.

Silver was right: Anybody who called this election "too close to call" was either lying or delusional.

Would it have really maimed them beyond belief for them to have said "small but distinct lead"?

38 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:26pm

re: #35 Schadenfreude 'r' Us

And tomorrow if I turn on the TV, I can look forward to an endless diet of drug and car commercials. After practically spraining my finger hitting the mute button for the last -- what was it, ten thousand years? Ah, the peace and quiet....

Right?!

39 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:28pm

From the look of things, the Republican party needs to do a LOT of soul-searching, because not only did Romney lose, but also there's a hell of a number of the out-front crazies are getting swept out as well. The so-called "values voters" crowd lost tonight, and lost BIG.

40 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:37pm

Time to start hammering Scott Walkers dismal job numbers. Hard.

41 Blizard  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:39pm

Oh, and, good riddance Paul Ryan. Laterz.

42 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:42pm

re: #28 Ben G. Hazi

2014 first...

Oh, that is pretty directly already in operation.

The GOP goal will be to hold down the vote, like in 2010, so they can continue to control the House. They have no hope at the Senate because of tonight's losses and in 2014 the balance of seats up for grab in the Senate are much more evenly balanced than this year (which had a lot more Democrat seats theoretically in danger.)

43 Petero1818  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:45pm

I believe we are witnessing the birth of the Conservative party. A split right wing.

44 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:50pm

Tonight hate and fear lost. Tonight truth won. Tonight is a good night.

45 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:55pm

Michael Steele talking about spanking. It is strangely arousing...not!

46 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:57pm

re: #2 freetoken

I think the story is that the Good Girls Won.

Actually, it's the Bitches that won.

We destroyed the Pedestal a long time ago.

47 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:12:14pm

re: #24 celticdragon

Those long range intercontinental JU-87 Stukas were a real bitch, you know.

//(I hope it was obvious)//

launched from U-Boat aircraft carriers...

48 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:12:17pm

The Obamas and the Bidens right after the election was called:

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49 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:12:35pm
50 KiTA  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:12:45pm

Sigh. How many more years of this until the GOP learns? Or will they ever?

51 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:13:05pm

re: #49 Benghazzy Ben Ross

National Parks all around!

52 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:13:21pm

Here's the talking points:

(1) Obama got a smaller percentage of the popular vote than in 2008.
(2) Obama got fewer electoral votes than in 2008.

Therefor Obama has no mandate and won by the slimmest of margins (and that no doubt due to voter fraud in OH and FL.)

That is what you'll be hearing for quite a while.

53 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:13:48pm

Actually Charles, you can say it again and again and again.

54 EPR-radar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:13:50pm

re: #39 RadicalModerate

From the look of things, the Republican party needs to do a LOT of soul-searching, because not only did Romney lose, but also there's a hell of a number of the out-front crazies are getting swept out as well. The so-called "values voters" crowd lost tonight, and lost BIG.

Best news of the night. I'd like for the midterm elections of 2010 to go down in the records as "their finest hour" for the nutbaggers.

55 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:14:01pm

Sorry Michael, you already lost the chance to win over this current voting generation.

56 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:14:03pm

re: #50 KiTA

Sigh. How many more years of this until the GOP learns? Or will they ever?

The ideologically pure will never concede

57 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:14:11pm

re: #47 AK-47%

launched from U-Boat aircraft carriers...

Laugh, but the Japanese did have those: I-400 class submarine

58 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:14:16pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

Think the only swing state that Willard won was NC. Every other one, including the Big Two, went to Obama.

Silver was right: Anybody who called this election "too close to call" was either lying or delusional.

Florida is still in the "too close to call" column. I'm still hopeful though.

I'm really surprised, Until today I honestly didn't think Obama stood any real chance here this time around.

59 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:14:52pm

re: #52 freetoken

Here's the talking points:

(1) Obama got a smaller percentage of the popular vote than in 2008.
(2) Obama got fewer electoral votes than in 2008.

Therefor Obama has no mandate and won by the slimmest of margins (and that no doubt due to voter fraud in OH and FL.)

That is what you'll be hearing for quite a while.

And I'll look anybody who says that to me right in the eye and say "But when Bush won by one state, you called it a mandate. Try selling crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up here."

60 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:14:56pm

re: #56 AK-47%

The ideologically pure will never concede

Nothing is ever pure enough for them anyway, they wouldn't be happy even if they won.

61 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:15:28pm
62 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:16:00pm
63 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:16:02pm

Van Jones making the argument that Obama's created a new coalition. Hard to argue with that. We'll look back on 2008 as a very important election.

64 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:16:09pm

Bwahahahahahahahahaha

65 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:16:10pm

Honestly, I suspect the first order of business for the teatard wing is deciding what they will try to introduce impeachment charges on. I think they will go for Libya.

It will be a disaster for them...but Fox News is pushing it and of course, thyt know that all the real Americans just KNOW that the "librul MSM" has been hiding it from view...and are just waiting for their leadership to expose the Kenyan, USA hating traitor for what he is.

Any other possibilities?

66 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:16:21pm

Miami-Dade won't count all their votes tonight.

67 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:16:24pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

The Obamas and the Bidens right after the election was called:

Image: ZZ73D788A5.jpg

Joe delivered. The recovery in 538 begins at the Biden-Ryan debate.

68 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:16:51pm

re: #64 JamesWI

Bwahahahahahahahahaha

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Actually, Joe, maybe you don't really know what those words mean.

69 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:16:51pm

re: #66 Varek Raith

Florida is so fucking sad.

70 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:17:15pm

re: #48 Charles Johnson

The Obamas and the Bidens right after the election was called:

Image: ZZ73D788A5.jpg

Must....resist...silly...marriage equality joke! Must...fight...it.

71 SteveMcG  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:17:23pm

What the hell happened with Donald Trump. Chuck Todd had himself a chuckle but the other guys let it drop, but I can tell something weird happened.

72 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:17:31pm

re: #1 freetoken

Todd Akin got his ass whipped.

By us good pioneer wyymen.

73 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:18:09pm

re: #57 Ben G. Hazi

Laugh, but the Japanese did have those: I-400 class submarine

That launched a float plane which proceeded to firebomb the Oregon forest and achieve nothing at all, since the forest was quite damp.

The pilot later came to Klamath and apologized.

74 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:18:10pm

Marriage equality passes in several states, as well as legalized dope (I hate the stuff but I'm against the WOD), advocates for Rapist's Reproductive Rights have gone down the tubes, Ryan doesn't get to crash the economic car with us in it, the balance of Legislative power has changed a little bit away from the R's, and the worst of the troglodyte fat cats burned up billions with no result... Not bad for a night's work. Good going, America!

Now for the tough part: real nation-building, here at home. Dear President Obama, CLIMATE CHANGE, SCIENCE EDUCATION, INFRASTRUCTURE, MANUFACTURING, AND NASA K THX.

75 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:18:30pm

Right now the hot contest is the NV race for Senate. If the Dems win that will give them 57 Senators versus 56 otherwise.

That may seem like a small thing, but when it takes 60 votes to actually accomplish anything hard in the Senate, that 57th vote could mean the world to an Obama appointee such as a USSC justice.

76 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:18:38pm

Trump lost his fucking mind, Morris disappeared off the face of the Earth, and Rove got shown on live TV as the bully we all know he is.

All in all, I'd say it's be a great night. Who's up for Chinese?/

77 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:18:53pm

The good guys lost. God help us.

78 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:07pm

I guess Ed won't tell us what Obama has taken over the production of.
I haz a sad.

79 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:10pm

I dunno. Looking at the counties left I'm not confident that it's going to happen.

80 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:13pm

Bachmann up about 1,000 votes with 72% in.

81 dragonath  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:19pm

re: #77 EdDantes

The good guys lost. God help us.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

82 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:20pm

re: #67 Decatur Deb

Joe delivered. The recovery in 538 begins at the Biden-Ryan debate.

The old warhorse did his duty and fired up the troops after the demoralizing BS that was the first presidential debate; without that, we might have been hearing about "President Romney" tonight.

83 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:24pm

re: #77 EdDantes

The good guys lost. God help us.

Good guys don't talk about legitimate rape.

84 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:27pm

Good night lizards! :)

85 Joanne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:35pm

re: #71 SteveMcG

What the hell happened with Donald Trump. Chuck Todd had himself a chuckle but the other guys let it drop, but I can tell something weird happened.

Trump called for revolution.

Donald J. Trump
We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided!

Donald J. Trump
He lost the popular vote by a lot and won the election. We should have a revolution in this country!

86 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:37pm

I like to think that my grand-sum total of $40 to the Obama campaign is what made all the difference. Who wants to touch me?

I SAID WHO WANTS TO TOUCH ME?

87 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:40pm
To: wastedyears; Travis McGee; Pelham; nathanbedford; dixiechick2000

I feel your pain...I feel like the humility my ancestry felt enduring Reconstruction

but just the title of your thread made me chuckle

trust me..there is somewhere off the grid on this big old planet without all this crap..i was happy as an expat once...now i will likely do like most like us...self segregate to our places...rural mostly

but our country is lost to the weak and bitter for now and it hurts

thanks though ...I laughed out loud...but i know you weren’t trying to be funny

I’m 55 with 5 children and struggling business etc...and I’m scared too...but not at risk about what to do with my life

but i will never give up and you can’t either

we are outnumbered by demographics...we are going to have to find some way to turn either some Mexicans or White Northern liberals

those are the only two options

I will be curious to see how the white vote compares to 2008 and 2010

I had figured if we replicated 2010 we’d win...62%

you’re too young but we used to win nationals with 52-54% white vote totals

this ain’t 1980 anymore

we opened the door and let them in

the GOP committed suicide and we warned em...big fights over it here...and nobody listened...called us bigots...banned us even

but the primary culprit here is the latino vote and that implication in Florida, California, New Mexico and Colorado and Nevada

and guess what....Texas will be at risk soon enough...imagine that?

now we are stuck with them..if most Mexican women were prettier we could just marry em up...for the cause..but whew

73 posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:05:39 PM by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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88 SteveMcG  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:40pm

re: #76 Targetpractice

Trump lost his fucking mind, Morris disappeared off the face of the Earth, and Rove got shown on live TV as the bully we all know he is.

All in all, I'd say it's be a great night. Who's up for Chinese?/

What's up with Trump?

89 Mattand  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:44pm

re: #77 EdDantes

The good guys lost. God help us.

Give it a rest already. All you're doing is proving that conservatives haven't learned a fucking thing tonight.

90 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:45pm

re: #77 EdDantes

The good guys lost. God help us.

Todd Akins? Mourdock? Allen West?

These are your "good guys"?

91 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:50pm

re: #77 EdDantes

The good guys lost. God help us.

Jesus Christ, just swallow the pills and end it all.

92 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:20:17pm

re: #88 SteveMcG

What's up with Trump?

He apparently decided he's William Wallace.

93 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:20:25pm

white southern conservative religious racist tears. pure strain.

94 Tigger2  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:20:33pm

re: #64 JamesWI

Bwahahahahahahahahaha

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Yes it does, but we can still spot stupidity and not elect it.

95 Petero1818  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:20:36pm

re: #71 SteveMcG

What the hell happened with Donald Trump. Chuck Todd had himself a chuckle but the other guys let it drop, but I can tell something weird happened.

I suspect he had a few too many Macallans....I feel really bad for him.////

96 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:20:38pm

re: #77 EdDantes

The good guys lost. God help us.

Christ, man, have some fucking dignity.

97 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:20:50pm

So...
Any one see Dick Morris lately....?

98 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:20:50pm

re: #91 JamesWI

Jesus Christ, just swallow the pills and end it all.

not cool!

99 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:00pm

re: #77 EdDantes

The good guys lost. God help us.

by all means, please make specific predictions of what the next four years hold for us

100 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:05pm

re: #87 SpaceJesus

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Help us, Mexicans. You're our only hope...

101 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:08pm

re: #87 SpaceJesus

now we are stuck with them..if most Mexican women were prettier we could just marry em up...for the cause..but whew

Good god.

102 celticdragon  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:09pm

re: #77 EdDantes

The good guys lost. God help us.

Tears! More of them now! I command you!

Your lamentations are a balm unto my lips and a song unto my ears!

103 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:18pm

re: #91 JamesWI

Yeah, no.

104 SteveMcG  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:22pm

re: #85 Joanne

Trump called for revolution.

Usually revolutions don't go well for rich guys.

105 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:33pm

re: #97 Varek Raith

So...
Any one see Dick Morris lately....?

Saw him walking with the queen. Oh wait that was Lon Chaney.

106 Joanne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:39pm

re: #77 EdDantes

The good guys lost. God help us.

Since when is a guy who lied every time he opened his mouth a good guy? You really need to reevaluate your principles because they suck. Liars are not good guys. Period.

107 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:42pm

re: #77 EdDantes

The good guys lost. God help us.

No we didn't. We won.
The President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama, has won a second term.
Somebody wasn't watching!

108 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:48pm

re: #97 Varek Raith

So...
Any one see Dick Morris lately....?

On the side of a milk carton. Probably locked in a studio broom closet, trying to figure out how the fuck he's gonna explain away his hilariously bad predictions tomorrow.

109 Petero1818  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:49pm

re: #77 EdDantes

The good guys lost. God help us.

Asshat.

110 Mattand  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:22:06pm

re: #86 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

I like to think that my grand-sum total of $40 to the Obama campaign is what made all the difference. Who wants to touch me?

I SAID WHO WANTS TO TOUCH ME?

I've got you beat by $10, big spender!

Let's pool our resources and open a petting zoo, in which "petting zoo" is a euphemism for "uncomfortable, inappropriate physical contact."

111 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:22:06pm

re: #81 dragonath

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

"Good guys", hell...if you're including expedient liars like Romney, misogynistic fuckheads like Walsh, Akin, Mourdock, and Ryan, and crackpots like West and Bachmann as "good guys", you can just get fucked.

112 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:22:16pm

Well, glad thats over and we can put this behind us...

113 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:22:20pm

re: #80 JamesWI

Bachmann up about 1,000 votes with 72% in.

Look on the bright side: if she wins, she'll probably run for president again in 2016, waste a lot of deranged rich people's money, and provide us with a lot of entertainment along the way.

114 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:22:27pm

re: #98 Gretchen G.Tiger

not cool!

At this point, I don't care. If we had lost, I doubt any of us would be going on to HotAir or some other wingnut site and crying like a baby looking for attention.

He's just trolling.

115 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:22:28pm

Victory sex is the most gratifying sex of all.

Just for the record.

116 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:22:36pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

On the side of a milk carton. Probably locked in a studio broom closet, trying to figure out how the fuck he's gonna explain away his hilariously bad predictions tomorrow.

It was all Chris Christie's fault. All.

117 Kaadred  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:22:58pm

I wonder if my "socialist-phobic" relatives who swore they'd move to France (uh, what?) if Obama won will be asking me to help them move?

Oh, and Fischer can DIAF.

118 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:23:00pm

re: #112 Kragarghazi

Well, glad thats over and we can put this behind us...

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If by Normandy he means Bay of Pigs...
Yeah, sure. Knock your little selves out.

119 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:23:02pm

Self-deported from the White House and I believe this is coming from a Republican adviser.

120 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:23:15pm

re: #91 JamesWI

Not cool at all, dude, not cool at all.

121 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:23:30pm

The good guys lost

of course, with the republican party, you never know whether this means true believing evangelicals, ayn rand social darwinists, or self-appointed "job creators" who think the quality of their souls are measured in profits

122 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:23:39pm

re: #116 Benghazzy Ben Ross

It was all Chris Christie's fault. All.

"He sold me some really bad shit...wait, did I say that out loud?"

123 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:23:41pm

re: #91 JamesWI

Jesus Christ, just swallow the pills and end it all.

Typical liberal.

124 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:23:48pm

re: #102 celticdragon

Tears! More of them now! I command you!

Your lamentations are a balm unto my lips and a song unto my ears!

Stop quoting the Bible, that's just mean.

//

125 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:23:50pm

re: #77 EdDantes

The good guys lost. God help us.

Go. To. Bed.

Or call someone who will give you a sympathetic hearing.

126 Mattand  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:23:52pm

re: #97 Varek Raith

So...
Any one see Dick Morris lately....?

(Warriors mode)

Morris! COME OUT AND PLAY-AY!!!

(/Warriors mode)

127 deadmaus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:24:03pm

Goodbye America, I'm sad.

128 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:24:16pm

re: #115 Almost Killed by Space Hookers

Victory sex is the most gratifying sex of all.

Just for the record.

Better than makeup sex, I take it?

///

129 Four More Beers  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:24:25pm

Godspeed, President Obama.

130 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:24:30pm

re: #123 EdDantes

Typical liberal.

Here are all the fucks I give about your opinion:...............

131 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:24:40pm

re: #127 deadmaus

Goodbye America, I'm sad.

*sigh*

132 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:24:43pm

re: #87 SpaceJesus

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Dear God.

Dear Dear God.

That is the most repulsive thing I've seen in a bit. I always knew the GOP was full of creatures like that but DAMN.

133 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:24:43pm

re: #127 deadmaus

A sock?

134 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:24:43pm
135 Tigger2  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:24:49pm

re: #83 HappyBenghazi

Good guys don't talk about legitimate rape.

Good guys don't force a woman or girl to have their rapist or family members baby.

136 Petero1818  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:25:04pm

re: #119 HappyBenghazi

Self-deported from the White House and I believe this is coming from a Republican adviser.

It was a really good line. She is a latina conservative. referring to Mitt losing this election in the Primary by abandoning latinos and moving to the right.

137 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:25:13pm

re: #123 EdDantes

Typical liberal.

Are you going to answer my question?
What has Obama taken over the production of?

138 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:25:51pm

re: #127 deadmaus

Goodbye America, I'm sad.

Oh, suck it up, sonny. Be a man.

139 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:25:55pm

re: #137 Varek Raith

Are you going to answer my question?
What has Obama taken over the production of?

He's the leading cause of Wingnut tears

140 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:25:58pm

re: #60 Gretchen G.Tiger

Nothing is ever pure enough for them anyway, they wouldn't be happy even if they won.

No doubt, they would have turned on Mitt with all the intensity that they could muster and expect him to repeal Medicare, Roe v Wade, FEMA, PBS, NASA and anything else with an acronym.

141 Joanne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:26:05pm

re: #111 Ben G. Hazi

"Good guys", hell...if you're including expedient liars like Romney, misogynistic fuckheads like Walsh, Akin, Mourdock, and Ryan, and crackpots like West and Bachmann as "good guys", you can just get fucked.

Hadda repeat this.

142 boredtechindenver  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:26:06pm

Sully has a screencap of Trump's Tweet:

[Link: dailydish.typepad.com...]

143 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:26:16pm

All that's left in this race is Salt Lake City, and that's breaking for Matheson. I think Love's going down.

Juab 100% in
Mia
Love
62% 2,214
Jim
Matheson
35% 1,229

Salt Lake 60% in
Jim
Matheson
52% 76,566
Mia
Love
46% 67,236
Sanpete 100% in
Mia
Love
67% 2,236
Jim
Matheson
30% 1,017

Utah 100% in
Mia
Love
70% 14,070
Jim
Matheson
28% 5,614

144 deadmaus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:27:14pm

re: #138 wheat-dogg

Oh, suck it up, sonny. Be a man.

Yeah I',m ok, just caught up in the moment.

145 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:27:24pm

re: #123 EdDantes

Typical liberal.

So all of your TPGOP compatriots that are calling for open insurrection and secession, are they "typical conservatives"?

That's what I thought...

146 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:27:34pm

Michigan Emergency Manager law looks like it's heading for repeal.

147 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:27:38pm

re: #142 boredtechindenver

Sully has a screencap of Trump's Tweet:

[Link: dailydish.typepad.com...]

And tomorrow, he'll be on Fox, weaseling out of that tweet by telling folks "I meant a political revolution, a rising up of voters, nothing violent or anything like that."

148 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:27:42pm

Seriously, if Obama had lost, would any of us had the urge to go crying on wingnut sites about how the world is over? Anyone?

149 Joanne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:27:52pm

re: #123 EdDantes

Typical liberal.

And you're a typical Ass. Hole.

150 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:27:54pm

You guys aren't conservative enough!!!! Romney is a RINO!!!!11tyt!!!

151 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:27:57pm

re: #77 EdDantes

The good guys lost. God help us.

Please put a lit on the biile. THe AMerican people spoke clearly. We all have to accept the results or renouce our citizenship and live elsewhere.

Why not tell us in your words why you think Mitt was un unable to defeat a President who presided over such levels of unemployment and debt?

152 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:28:01pm

re: #114 JamesWI

At this point, I don't care. If we had lost, I doubt any of us would be going on to HotAir or some other wingnut site and crying like a baby looking for attention.

He's just trolling.

Call for such things is not cool! I care.

153 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:28:01pm

Let the open gloating commence!

Hey GOP! How is that party of "NO" bullshit plan working out for you now?

Well? ;)

154 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:28:07pm

re: #142 boredtechindenver

Sully has a screencap of Trump's Tweet:

[Link: dailydish.typepad.com...]

More than likely while Trump the Chump is out of the country.

155 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:28:16pm
156 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:28:19pm

re: #148 JamesWI

Seriously, if Obama had lost, would any of us had the urge to go crying on wingnut sites about how the world is over? Anyone?

Hell no.

157 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:28:24pm

re: #123 EdDantes

Typical liberal.

Why are you choosing to engage with comments like that, and not the reasonable ones being made to you?

I understand that you're upset that your candidate lost. But you've said a lot of things which simply aren't true. The US has been recovering from a recession under Obama. It's slow going, mostly because we've stupidly cut a lot of government spending, but unemployment is back down and if we hadn't cut all those public jobs, it'd be even lower.

We're all still Americans. We all still have the same mutual problems to solve. The following four years will have a lot of challenges. Let's work together to find middle ground, practical solutions. It's going to require that the GOP abandon their anti-science and anti-reality positions, though. And I'm not sure they're ready to do that. This may not be enough.

158 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:28:54pm

re: #147 Targetpractice

And tomorrow, he'll be on Fox, weaseling out of that tweet by telling folks "I meant a political revolution, a rising up of voters, nothing violent or anything like that."

Well that's it. I'm done. I'm never going to take anything he says seriously, ever again.

159 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:28:56pm

re: #152 Gretchen G.Tiger

Call for such things is not cool! I care.

Was I serious? No. I was giving a troll the level of respect he deserves. Which is none.

160 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:28:57pm

Obama is in the house!

161 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:29:11pm

re: #148 JamesWI

Seriously, if Obama had lost, would any of us had the urge to go crying on wingnut sites about how the world is over? Anyone?

There would be a little less soda in my drinky poo.

162 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:29:12pm

re: #148 JamesWI

Seriously, if Obama had lost, would any of us had the urge to go crying on wingnut sites about how the world is over? Anyone?

I'd probably be playing Halo 4 right now.

163 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:29:27pm

re: #157 Obdicut

He's trolling us.

164 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:29:30pm

re: #92 Targetpractice

He apparently decided he's William Wallace.

Or a different Wallace.

165 Joanne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:29:30pm

re: #127 deadmaus

Goodbye America, I'm sad.

Awwww. That Marxist, socialist, communist Kenyan got you down? So sorry.

166 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:29:31pm

Gov. Christie has signaled that he will be in the game in '16. I wish him luck, it is going to be a very hard sell.

He may be getting an early start on derailing the crazy train and bringing sanity back to the party though. It appears that two of the tea party's craziest, the insane Michelle Bachmann and the criminally insane Alan West, are in real trouble tonight. Both are running 50/50 against challengers with over 90% of the votes counted. Bachmann still has some bat cave precincts to be counted, but West looks to be a goner.

167 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:29:45pm

re: #77 EdDantes

The good guys lost. God help us.

Yeah where was your God in all this? Maybe he likes gays after all, or something?

168 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:29:52pm

re: #148 JamesWI

Seriously, if Obama had lost, would any of us had the urge to go crying on wingnut sites about how the world is over? Anyone?

I wouldn't even be doing that here. I'd be bummed out but after 2004 I learned something about losing with maturity. Bush's re-election wasn't the end of the world and I realized he wasn't the monster I thought he was in his first term in his second term. Perhaps some of Obama's detractors can learn that same lesson.

169 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:29:55pm

re: #148 JamesWI

Seriously, if Obama had lost, would any of us had the urge to go crying on wingnut sites about how the world is over? Anyone?

If Willard had won, I'd be bummed, but I wouldn't be screaming "THE SKY IS FALLING!"

170 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:29:58pm

re: #71 SteveMcG

What the hell happened with Donald Trump. Chuck Todd had himself a chuckle but the other guys let it drop, but I can tell something weird happened.

Donald got super drunk and called for revolution. When last seen his election night party guests were seen drawing all over his passed out face and stealing his massive hoard of Veuve Clicquot.

171 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:30:07pm

re: #132 Almost Killed by Space Hookers

Dear God.

Dear Dear God.

That is the most repulsive thing I've seen in a bit. I always knew the GOP was full of creatures like that but DAMN.

Like the Muslims were going to take over the country--Sharia law would be instituted and on and on and on .. .

Yeah, that didn't happen either.

172 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:30:27pm

re: #169 Targetpractice

If Willard had won, I'd be bummed, but I wouldn't be screaming "THE SKY IS FALLING!"

Until I dropped a neutron star on you alls.

173 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:30:55pm

re: #97 Varek Raith

So...
Any one see Dick Morris lately....?

Not a peep since this one more than 2 hours ago...

Can they give up yet Dick?

174 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:31:00pm

re: #172 Varek Raith

Until I dropped a neutron star on you alls.

Dude, what's with you and the neutron stars? Is a brown dwarf too much to ask?

175 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:31:33pm

re: #174 Targetpractice

Dude, what's with you and the neutron stars? Is a brown dwarf too much to ask?

It's all about density.
How about I drop both?

176 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:31:37pm

re: #137 Varek Raith

Are you going to answer my question?
What has Obama taken over the production of?

Energy by cancelling federal oil leases. Investing in non existent green energy. Cancelling the pipeline. Billions to promote unproven green techonogy?

177 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:31:45pm

re: #123 EdDantes

Typical liberal.

c'mon, ed, i'm serious - i want to know what bad things you think will happen!

178 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:31:53pm

re: #156 OhNoBenghazi!

Hell no.

There are whiners everywhere, right now we are still dealing with the stage of denial

179 dragonath  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:32:04pm

Trump should move to Scotland and have a bad-hair off with Boris Johnson.

180 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:32:13pm

re: #173 ghazidor

Not a peep since this one more than 2 hours ago...

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Can they give up yet Dick?

Hey, maybe Morris and Trump are spooning right now.

/just sayin'

181 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:32:19pm

re: #169 Targetpractice

If Willard had won, I'd be bummed, but I wouldn't be screaming "THE SKY IS FALLING!"

Hell, I wouldn't begrudge anyone crying about it. I'd probably be bitching. But to go somewhere where you know about 99% of the people are of the opposite view and bitch about it? Only a troll desperate for attention would do that. I wouldn't be going over to the Freepers to tell them America's dead so they could laugh at me.

182 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:32:32pm

re: #176 EdDantes

Dude, America exports its oil. We don't keep it to ourselves.

183 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:09pm

re: #176 EdDantes

Energy by cancelling federal oil leases. Investing in non existent green energy. Cancelling the pipeline. Billions to promote unproven green techonogy?

that ain't takin' over no production of nuthin'

investin' and a regulatin' - tain't production

184 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:17pm

re: #110 Kung Fughazi

I've got you beat by $10, big spender!

Let's pool our resources and open a petting zoo, in which "petting zoo" is a euphemism for "uncomfortable, inappropriate physical contact."

I gave more than both of you combined... but I'm not proud.

185 SteveMcG  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:18pm

re: #176 EdDantes

Energy by cancelling federal oil leases. Investing in non existent green energy. Cancelling the pipeline. Billions to promote unproven green techonogy?

I think Charles should develop some sort of baseline IQ test to qualify for an account. Minimum score:50.

186 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:43pm

Toasted.

187 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:46pm

re: #176 EdDantes

Energy by cancelling federal oil leases. Investing in non existent green energy. Cancelling the pipeline. Billions to promote unproven green techonogy?

Quite possibly the dumbest thing written tonight. And we've seen Dick Morris.

I do like how you had to throw in green energy twice because you couldn't even think of anything else to lie about.

188 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:49pm

re: #149 Joanne

And you're a typical Ass. Hole.

Liberal response well stated.

189 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:49pm

re: #172 Varek Raith

Until I dropped a neutron star on you alls.

Then what would you eat?

190 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:52pm

Seriously, religious wingnuts ought to be worrying. Applying their usual kind of interpretation of recent events they could not conclude other than that their God has abandoned them. Or just doesn't exist after all, which would of course be the more sensible conclusion.

191 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:52pm

re: #176 EdDantes

Energy by cancelling federal oil leases. Investing in non existent green energy. Cancelling the pipeline. Billions to promote unproven green techonogy?

Those oil leases were cancelled because the oil industry was sitting on them and not using them.
Green energy does exist.
The existing Keystone pipeline was closed recently due to safety concerns.
Billions are also wasted on oil subsidies.
So...
You appear to have nothing.

192 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:52pm

re: #176 EdDantes

Energy by cancelling federal oil leases. Investing in non existent green energy. Cancelling the pipeline. Billions to promote unproven green techonogy?

Those aren't examples of a takeover, no. Even if they were true.

Green energy does exist, actually. And yeah, the government needs to promote technologies that the market never will, because that's how progress gets made. Government funds science and tech, then private sector exploits that and makes money. That's how the world goes round.

Are you personally an AGW denier?

193 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:55pm

Wonder how quick Boehner will be to rephrase this:

Boehner: Election ‘Mandate’ Is For ‘Both Parties To Find Common Ground’

“The American people re-elected the president, and re-elected our majority in the House. If there is a mandate, it is a mandate for both parties to find common ground and take steps together to help our economy grow and create jobs, which is critical to solving our debt. I offer sincere congratulations to President and Mrs. Obama and to Vice President and Dr. Biden. I wish Mitt, Ann, Paul, Janna and their families well, and thank them for having carried the banner of our party and our principles with strength, grace, and courage.”

John, I hate to break it to ya, but you're only leading two things right now: Jack and Shit. And Jack left town.

194 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:34:08pm
195 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:34:15pm

Defining green techonogy is a national problem.

196 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:34:25pm

re: #173 ghazidor

Not a peep since this one more than 2 hours ago...

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Can they give up yet Dick?

I'm actually a little worried about Dickie.

Hope is is just getting really, really drunk and not anything worse.

197 deadmaus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:34:36pm

re: #171 Gretchen G.Tiger

Like the Muslims were going to take over the country--Sharia law would be instituted and on and on and on .. .

Yeah, that didn't happen either.

You know how patient are. But that is their intention,but not in 4 years or so that's for sure

198 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:34:39pm

re: #171 Gretchen G.Tiger

Like the Muslims were going to take over the country--Sharia law would be instituted and on and on and on .. .

Yeah, that didn't happen either.

I fully expect there to be many despondent wing nuts to turn violent.

The scared ignorant fat old white guys with guns are waking up to the fact that America has moved past them. They will not like it.

199 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:34:46pm

re: #176 EdDantes

Energy by cancelling federal oil leases. Investing in non existent green energy. Cancelling the pipeline. Billions to promote unproven green techonogy?

It has been proven that oil dependency keeps us politically & militarily involved in politically unstable parts of the world. Domestic production leads to ecological disasters.

I am willing to take risks in getting away from those.

200 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:34:49pm

On the bright side, Mitt now has a lot of time freed up on "Day One."

201 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:34:51pm

re: #194 Benghazzy Ben Ross

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I think this is one of the best things to take away from tonight.

202 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:34:56pm

House republicans do not have a mandate.

203 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:05pm

re: #194 Benghazzy Ben Ross

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Gay marriage never wins at the polls!!!1111

204 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:08pm

re: #132 Almost Killed by Space Hookers

Oh. Dude. I've been swimming in a sea of this. There is more. Way more.

205 bratwurst  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:10pm
206 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:18pm

re: #188 EdDantes

Liberal response well stated.

Do you understand that by selectively replying to only the insulting posts and claiming they're 'typical liberal', you're demonstrating your own selection bias?

It's neat!

207 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:19pm

nytimes blue and red by county, 2012

interesting to see some big blue patches in unlikely places

208 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:20pm

Please tell me this is the end of the Tea Party.

209 Achilles Tang  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:27pm

re: #132 Almost Killed by Space Hookers

Dear God.

Dear Dear God.

That is the most repulsive thing I've seen in a bit. I always knew the GOP was full of creatures like that but DAMN.

This is a common theme in the far right; namely, government is bad, but government needs to get me a job.

210 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:36pm

And here he comes! Go, prexy, go!

(And those girls are turning into real heartbreakers.)

211 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:45pm

re: #204 SpaceJesus

Oh. Dude. I've been swimming in a sea of this. There is more. Way more.

What are you keeping to yourself? We can handle the truth!!

212 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:48pm

re: #93 SpaceJesus

white southern conservative religious racist tears. pure strain.

again:

Image: Y4QqB.jpg

213 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:53pm

HuffPo calls the House for the GOP.

Not a big surprise, but I wonder by how much a margin John the Orange will have.

214 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:55pm

re: #208 HappyBenghazi

Please tell me this is the end of the Tea Party.

they will just double down

215 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:55pm

re: #204 SpaceJesus

Oh. Dude. I've been swimming in a sea of this. There is more. Way more.

I know. Like I said above. I fully expect one of these twits to turn violent.

216 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:57pm

re: #208 HappyBenghazi

Please tell me this is the end of the Tea Party.

Not hardly. If anything, it's gonna stoke their ire and probably result in a resurgence. Look for a leadership battle in the House now.

217 Mattand  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:59pm

re: #200 Benghazzy Ben Ross

On the bright side, Mitt now has a lot of time freed up on "Day One."

Off-topic: saw your Benghazi screen name earlier. Many LOLs.

218 gwangung  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:36:07pm

re: #176 EdDantes

Energy by cancelling federal oil leases. Investing in non existent green energy. Cancelling the pipeline. Billions to promote unproven green techonogy?

This is not a serious argument. Not when the matter of leases is use 'em or lose 'em. And e whole goddam point of green research was t do the basic research to make it proven.

Idiot.

Go back and do some real research and try again. Try not to bust our intelligence and not regurgitate poorly researched talking points.

You're getting treated poorly here because your effort is execrable.

219 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:36:10pm

re: #197 deadmaus

You missing a sarc tag there?

220 deadmaus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:36:43pm

re: #219 Ben G. Hazi

Not that time.

221 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:36:46pm

Get exotic? In other words, lie cheat and steal.

222 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:37:01pm
223 Batman  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:37:07pm

Romney can finally put away the Etch-A-Sketch an soothe the conflicting voices in his head, and maybe develop a personality.

224 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:37:22pm

Obama getting ready to speak.

225 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:37:25pm

All this talk about "razor thin" was giving the wingnuts false hope.

226 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:37:32pm

re: #175 Varek Raith

It's all about density.
How about I drop both?

I prefer using a "supernova seed" on a planets existing star, it has the added benefit of reducing all the evidence within a light year or so to subatomic particles.

227 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:37:33pm

re: #197 deadmaus

Oh, nice, subtle bigotry.

228 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:37:39pm

re: #221 Kragarghazi

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Get exotic? In other words, lie cheat and steal.

And your party nominates people who think rape is acceptable Glenn so kindly fuck off.

229 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:37:47pm

*sigh* When you wingnuts wake up in the morning you'll remember that you didn't really want Mitt in the first place.

230 Joanne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:37:49pm

re: #176 EdDantes

Energy by cancelling federal oil leases. Investing in non existent green energy. Cancelling the pipeline. Billions to promote unproven green techonogy?

Canceling UNUSED leases.

Green jobs all throughout Iowa and other states.

Didn't cancel the pipeline, postponed it for environmental evaluation. Republicans forced its death.

Green technology businesses failed at 4%. Rodney's businesses failed at 23%.

Next?

231 EPR-radar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:37:54pm

re: #151 AK-47%

Please put a lit on the biile. THe AMerican people spoke clearly. We all have to accept the results or renouce our citizenship and live elsewhere.

Why not tell us in your words why you think Mitt was un unable to defeat a President who presided over such levels of unemployment and debt?

For what it is worth, it would have been very easy for the GOP to keep me as a reliable R voter. Minimal levels of competence and avoiding a total embrace of the most batshit insane elements of the party would have sufficed.

This did not happen. It has been clear for years that Movement Conservatism is a malignant cult that has taken over the Republican party. I will vote in maximum opposition to the Republican party until this state of affairs changes.

I am not alone, and this is why an incumbent president facing a weak economy won a decisive re-election victory.

232 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:38:11pm

re: #208 HappyBenghazi

Please tell me this is the end of the Tea Party.

quite the contrary - i think tonite will mark the beginning of the tea party fatally splitting the republican party in two, ending in them refusing to support the big-business moderate republican nominee of 2016

233 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:38:18pm

re: #222 Obdicut

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TV's Frank is awesome.

234 Mattand  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:38:29pm

re: #230 Joanne

Canceling UNUSED leases.

Green jobs all throughout Iowa and other states.

Didn't cancel the pipeline, postponed it for environmental evaluation. Republicans forced its death.

Green technology businesses failed at 4%. Rodney's businesses failed at 23%.

Next?

You go, human of female persuasion!

235 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:38:42pm

I said in the previous thread that Romney would not claim stolen election---that it would be out of character for him. Spidey senses need to be refined. It's nice to make a prediction and be borne out right away.

236 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:38:44pm

re: #233 Kragarghazi

TV's Frank is awesome.

Push the button, Frank.

237 Mattand  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:38:47pm

re: #233 Kragarghazi

TV's Frank is awesome.

Push the button, Mitt.

238 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:38:50pm

Shush. The one is speaking!

239 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:38:51pm

Obama comes on stage to the song "signed, sealed, delivered" lol. :)

240 deadmaus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:38:55pm

Why the hell did Romney have to read his concession speech of cuecards?Made him seem less that sincere. It seems politician are too scared to ad-lib these days.

241 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:39:03pm

re: #220 deadmaus

That's what I thought; have a downding on me then.

Shithead bigot...

242 Achilles Tang  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:39:15pm

re: #176 EdDantes

Energy by cancelling federal oil leases. Investing in non existent green energy. Cancelling the pipeline. Billions to promote unproven green techonogy?

Finally you say something. Federal oil leases haven't been cancelled. Green energy is real. "The pipeline" isn't cancelled, it may be built, once the states it moves through approve the route, and it won't do squat to the price of energy, but it will improve the profitability of oil companies that move oil through it.

243 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:39:21pm

re: #236 Targetpractice

Push the button, Frank.

244 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:39:31pm

re: #233 Kragarghazi

TV's Frank is awesome.

245 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:39:43pm

re: #198 Almost Killed by Space Hookers

I fully expect there to be many despondent wing nuts to turn violent.

The scared ignorant fat old white guys with guns are waking up to the fact that America has moved past them. They will not like it.

I have some faith --call me Pollyanna--but I think most will realize they need to rethink a lot of their positions. Many will realize their Party left them and will work to bring it back to centerish.

Conservatives are the last to recognizie change. These results are a big wake-up call.

The core Whackos will probably try something, but won't last. I'm thinking they'll try that newly legal pot and decide it's nice to be mellow.

246 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:39:56pm

So it's my understanding Akin is gone from Congress too. Nice.

247 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:39:56pm

...

248 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:40:13pm

United we stand, divided we fall -- good paraphrase

249 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:40:18pm
250 gwangung  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:40:23pm

re: #192 Obdicut

Those aren't examples of a takeover, no. Even if they were true.

Green energy does exist, actually. And yeah, the government needs to promote technologies that the market never will, because that's how progress gets made. Government funds science and tech, then private sector exploits that and makes money. That's how the world goes round.

That's how the space program and the Internet went around, too.

251 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:40:34pm

re: #222 Obdicut

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nate the great hev nailed it alrite

252 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:40:49pm

re: #225 Amory Blaine

All this talk about "razor thin tight" was giving the wingnuts false hope.

Sorry. Fixed it.

253 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:40:54pm

re: #244 Obdicut

[Embedded content]

When you go on record explaining the difference between legitimate and fake rapes, elections have a way of naturally shutting you down.

254 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:40:59pm

re: #238 EdDantes

And you ignore any responses to your claims.

255 deadmaus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:41:09pm

re: #227 Varek Raith

Oh, nice, subtle bigotry.

hehe

256 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:41:19pm

Call it a night (Mitt), the party's over.

257 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:41:23pm

re: #253 Kragarghazi

When you go on record explaining the difference between legitimate and fake rapes, elections have a way of naturally shutting you down.

EdDantes's good guys!

258 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:41:31pm

re: #238 EdDantes

Shush. The one is speaking!

Jesus, dude, grow a spine.

You act like you're 14.

259 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:41:49pm

re: #254 Varek Raith

Ditto. He only squawks when someone calls him bad names.

260 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:42:01pm

re: #238 EdDantes

Shush. The one is speaking!

2007 called. They want their meme back.

261 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:42:21pm

re: #229 Benghazzy Ben Ross

*sigh* When you wingnuts wake up in the morning you'll remember that you didn't really want Mitt in the first place.

So true, good point.

262 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:42:29pm
263 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:42:30pm

Captain Teleprompter!
Inb4outdatedwingnutmeme.

264 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:42:46pm

Hey he mentioned me! ;)

265 SteveMcG  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:42:46pm

Biden did kick ass.

266 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:42:50pm

re: #229 Benghazzy Ben Ross

*sigh* When you wingnuts wake up in the morning you'll remember that you didn't really want Mitt in the first place.

The lesson for the GOP is clear: next time we need a true Christian, just like we figured deep down all along

267 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:42:58pm

re: #242 Achilles Tang

Finally you say something. Federal oil leases haven't been cancelled. Green energy is real. "The pipeline" isn't cancelled, it may be built, once the states it moves through approve the route, and it won't do squat to the price of energy, but it will improve the profitability of oil companies that move oil through it.

Indeed. Shush! The one is speaking!

268 Batman  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:43:16pm

I'm flipping between tabs of Nate's map and the official results and laughing. 100% again.

269 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:43:44pm

re: #267 EdDantes

Indeed. Shush! The one is speaking!

This is why you guys lose.

270 Joanne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:43:50pm

re: #229 Benghazzy Ben Ross

*sigh* When you wingnuts wake up in the morning you'll remember that you didn't really want Mitt in the first place.

The Oracle has spoken. Word!

p.s. Love the nic!

271 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:43:59pm

re: #268 Batmanghazi

I'm flipping between tabs of Nate's map and the official results and laughing. 100% again.

I really want to read his baseball and new book now. I'm a baseball stats junkie.

272 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:44:08pm

re: #267 EdDantes

Indeed. Shush! The one is speaking!

I'm sorry, are we interrupting you? Please, feel free to watch. Just click on another window or something...

273 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:44:12pm

Romney is a RINO!!!! Rush 4 Prez!!!

274 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:44:23pm

re: #240 deadmaus

Why the hell did Romney have to read his concession speech of cuecards?Made him seem less that sincere. It seems politician are too scared to ad-lib these days.

Because he either didn't have it ready or changed it too drastically at the last minute for it to be pre-programmed into the teleprompters. So instead he had to go "old-skool" and read from notes. No politician risks ad-libbing anymore if they can help it.

275 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:44:33pm

I'm kidnapping Nate to divine me some lotto numbers!

276 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:44:48pm

re: #275 Varek Raith

I'm kidnapping Nate to divine me some lotto numbers!

Screw that, I'm takin' him to Vegas.

277 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:45:11pm

re: #276 Targetpractice

Screw that, I'm takin' him to Vegas.

He's probably banned...

278 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:45:23pm

re: #231 EPR-radar

For what it is worth, it would have been very easy for the GOP to keep me as a reliable R voter. Minimal levels of competence and avoiding a total embrace of the most batshit insane elements of the party would have sufficed.

This did not happen. It has been clear for years that Movement Conservatism is a malignant cult that has taken over the Republican party. I will vote in maximum opposition to the Republican party until this state of affairs changes.

I am not alone, and this is why an incumbent president facing a weak economy won a decisive re-election victory.

Agreed, I'm usually a 2nd amendment voter. But the insults to my gender far, far outweigh any allegiance I have to, well, any dogma. Either I am a human being under the Law or I am not. If I have no claim to the same civil rights as men, the 2nd Amendment or indeed the entire Constitution has no meaning for me.

279 Joanne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:45:30pm

re: #234 Kung Fughazi

You go, human of female persuasion!

I remember all kinds of useless shit. Except my phone number. ;-)

280 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:45:41pm

"every hill, every valley" -- echoing both Bible and MLKJr. Nice touch

281 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:45:59pm

re: #276 Targetpractice

Screw that, I'm takin' him to Vegas.

I taking him to my state so I can get him high and then gay marry him.

282 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:46:32pm

re: #231 EPR-radar

For what it is worth, it would have been very easy for the GOP to keep me as a reliable R voter. Minimal levels of competence and avoiding a total embrace of the most batshit insane elements of the party would have sufficed.

One thing that should be mentioned was the goodwill completely pissed away when the national Republicans started pumping money into the Akin campaign.

I wonder how many borderline women's vote were lost when they decided Akin was so much more important to them than moderate women.

283 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:46:39pm

Damn I have no long lost relatives in Colorado...

284 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:46:52pm
285 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:46:58pm

Jobs for veterans.

286 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:47:18pm

re: #245 Gretchen G.Tiger

I have some faith --call me Pollyanna--but I think most will realize they need to rethink a lot of their positions. Many will realize their Party left them and will work to bring it back to centerish.

Conservatives are the last to recognizie change. These results are a big wake-up call.

The core Whackos will probably try something, but won't last. I'm thinking they'll try that newly legal pot and decide it's nice to be mellow.

Well I certainly hope you are right.

287 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:47:42pm

So besides Hillary who should be in the Dem primaries for 2016?

288 Joanne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:48:09pm

re: #238 EdDantes

Shush. The one is speaking!

OFFS, someone get this guy the waaaaaahmbulance and cart his whiney ass out of here. And give him a loaf of bread and some cheese to go along with his whine. It's going to be a long trip for him.

289 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:48:11pm

re: #287 goddamnedfrank

So besides Hillary who should be in the Dem primaries for 2016?

Don't care.
Will care in 2015.
XD

290 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:48:14pm

re: #287 goddamnedfrank

So besides Hillary who should be in the Dem primaries for 2016?

Nate Silver, obviously.

291 deadmaus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:48:16pm

re: #274 ghazidor

Because he either didn't have it ready or changed it too drastically at the last minute for it to be pre-programmed into the teleprompters. So instead he had to go "old-skool" and read from notes. No politician risks ad-libbing anymore if they can help it.

Agreed, I lose 50% respect right there, watching them pretend to look left..right..left again. May as well hold a piece of paper directly in front of themselves.

292 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:48:17pm

re: #287 goddamnedfrank

So besides Hillary who should be in the Dem primaries for 2016?

Biden. He earned it, even if his chief of staff is a scumbag.

293 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:48:43pm

re: #291 deadmaus

Agreed, I lose 50% respect right there, watching them pretend to look left..right..left again. May as well hold a piece of paper directly in front of themselves.

Why is reading something prepared a bad thing?

294 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:48:44pm

Global warming.

295 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:48:46pm

re: #287 goddamnedfrank

So besides Hillary who should be in the Dem primaries for 2016?

Well, Biden's all but said the words. He's definitely in. I'd have to think Hillary would be the strong favorite if she runs though.

296 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:49:03pm

re: #282 BongGhazi

One thing that should be mentioned was the goodwill completely pissed away when the national Republicans started pumping money into the Akin campaign.

I wonder how many borderline women's vote were lost when they decided Akin was so much more important to them than moderate women.

one lady caller to C-SPAN tonite said she didn't vote for Obama because of abortion, she also DID not vote for Akin because of Rape.

go figure.

297 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:49:12pm

re: #285 jaunte

Jobs for veterans.

I hear Tammy Duckworth has some new employment...

298 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:49:22pm

re: #238 EdDantes

Shush. The one is speaking!

people who think this should go to daily kos or eschaton some time and hear how obama gets kicked around for not being nearly progressive enuf

drone strikes, didn't put any wall st criminals in jail, etc, etc, etc

299 lostlakehiker  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:49:38pm

re: #151 AK-47%

Please put a lit on the biile. THe AMerican people spoke clearly. We all have to accept the results or renouce our citizenship and live elsewhere.

Why not tell us in your words why you think Mitt was un unable to defeat a President who presided over such levels of unemployment and debt?

Tactially, for this election, the reason is that Romney had to say stuff to win the nomination, and then he couldn't unsay it. TP has taken over the Republican nomination process, not to the point of being able to choose one of its own as nominee, but to the point of making him say things to get the nomination that then doom him in the general election.

But this is it for the Republicans. There won't be any more Republican presidents. As you-all have observed, there's a demographic shift and Texas is going to go purple pretty soon, then blue.

It's one party rule until the Democrats split over some issue not now on the table.

300 EPR-radar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:50:08pm

re: #278 Gretchen G.Tiger

Agreed, I'm usually a 2nd amendment voter. But the insults to my gender far, far outweigh any allegiance I have to, well, any dogma. Either I am a human being under the Law or I am not. If I have no claim to the same civil rights as men, the 2nd Amendment or indeed the entire Constitution has no meaning for me.

And that what is important about the white, male, straight, Christian hegemony in this country starting to end. The beneficiaries of all this privilege are willfully blind to it --- after all, it is never _their_ civil rights that are up for a vote.

301 deadmaus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:50:30pm

re: #293 Obdicut

Why is reading something prepared a bad thing?

Its not, but every time they speak is overdoing it. Makes you wonder if the even read and ok it before-hand.

302 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:50:42pm

Looks like we might not know the fate of the Minnesota gay marriage ban for a while. From a friend in Minnesota on facebook:

CLARIFICATION: Very confusing situation arising with Minnesota ballot numbers. No results from Minneapolis precincts have been included in the Secretary of State voting totals yet, and 6,000 ballots will need to be hand-counted tomorrow at 10 a.m. due to errors with the bar codes on the bottom.

303 Achilles Tang  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:50:44pm

re: #267 EdDantes

Indeed. Shush! The one is speaking!

That is the president of the United States, elected under the constitution of the United States. You seem to have no respect for either.

304 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:50:47pm

Forward!

305 deadmaus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:51:20pm

re: #304 EdDantes

Forward!

CHANGE and HOPE!

306 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:51:28pm

re: #304 EdDantes

Forward!

Yes, I know it's scary for some of you guys, but the 1950s are gone and dead.

307 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:51:37pm

re: #298 engineer cat

people who think this should go to daily kos or eschaton some time and hear how obama gets kicked around for not being nearly progressive enuf

drone strikes, didn't put any wall st criminals in jail, etc, etc, etc

The progressive good feelings about the reelection might last a week before they feel safe for the next four years and start raking Obama over the coals for not doing enough.

308 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:51:50pm

re: #292 Obdicut

Eegads, no.

Neither Biden or Hillary, both of whom have earned a respectful retirement.

After the 2014 election we'll see how the Democratic Party is holding together, and I'm sure there will be plenty of people to step up to the plate.

But again, and I run the risk of sounding like a broken record, even though a few well known wingnuts in Congress lost tonight, many others did not, and overall the GOP will likely continue to control Congress through 2016. That is why redistricting is so important.

And we don't have any idea of what the economic conditions or international state will be in 4 years. It could be quite terrible.

So it's too early to think about who is next, as far as the Dems are concerned.

The GOP, OTOH, has Ryan and Santorum to lead them for the next 4 years in filling out their support for the eventual run.

309 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:51:50pm

re: #301 deadmaus

Its not, but every time they speak is overdoing it. Makes you wonder if the even read and ok it before-hand.

They do.

310 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:00pm

re: #277 Varek Raith

He's probably banned...

He is. They don't allow people who can calculate odds well enough to game the house. Seems awfully unfair to me, but Nevada says it is legal.

311 deadmaus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:05pm

re: #306 Varek Raith

Yes, I know it's scary for some of you guys, but the 1950s are gone and dead.

That[s a shame in a lot of ways.

312 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:08pm

Troll synergy!!!

313 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:08pm
314 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:10pm

re: #304 EdDantes

Forward!


psst, forward is THAT way.

315 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:12pm

re: #304 EdDantes

What's wrong about going forward?

316 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:17pm

ZOMG, he mentioned Global Warming! We are DOOOOOMED!!!!

/

317 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:24pm

re: #311 deadmaus

That[s a shame in a lot of ways.

Name a couple.

318 Mattand  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:24pm

We'll see how long this lasts:

Reid Calls On Republicans To Drop Obstruction Strategy In Wake Of Senate Defeat

If EdDantes is any indication, I'm betting 3 days, tops.

319 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:25pm

Yeah, it's a real shame that the lying bigot didn't win.

320 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:36pm

Thankgodallmighty, our economy is recovering!

321 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:52pm

re: #304 EdDantes

Forward!

You and Buck and Barflytom should get together and have a derp party.

322 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:53:09pm

re: #320 EdDantes

Thankgodallmighty, our economy is recovering!

Yes, data indicates it is.

323 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:53:14pm

This was classy on Romney's part:

[Link: twitpic.com...]

324 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:53:31pm

Don't feed the troll. He's just trying to flounce.....in the weakest, most pussified way possible.

325 Batman  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:53:36pm

re: #238 EdDantes

Shush. The one is speaking!

The one who won. The current and next President of the United States, who is giving his victory speech, as winners of political races are wont to do. That guy is speaking.

326 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:53:51pm
327 EPR-radar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:53:55pm

re: #296 Gretchen G.Tiger

one lady caller to C-SPAN tonite said she didn't vote for Obama because of abortion, she also DID not vote for Akin because of Rape.

go figure.

Well, if you want to ban abortion in cases of rape/incest, you're a moral monster.

If you want to ban abortion with rape/incest exceptions, you're a misogynist.

328 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:53:58pm

re: #320 EdDantes

Thankgodallmighty, our economy is recovering!

Yes, it is. Slowly. It'd recover faster if GOPers hadn't drunk Ayn Rand koolaid and cut spending during a recession.

329 deadmaus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:54:05pm

re: #317 Obdicut

Name a couple.

Repaired stuff instead of replace ( less waste).

LESS porn )

330 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:54:10pm

president bronco refuting wingnut myths about progressives and democrats

331 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:54:23pm

re: #286 Almost Killed by Space Hookers

Well I certainly hope you are right.

I will also add that most of these old white guys have relatives who are sane enough to realize that violence is not kool. I know a few of them and they take their gun rights very seriously. As angry as they might be at the election results, they would not sanction the use of firearms for illegal activities. I've known family members to remove (by stealth) firearms from the home of *questionable* family members.

Hopefully, that sense of honor will reduce more the numbers of those who may do violence.

Those sovereign citizen whackos --they are the scary few. IIRC, Federal Law enforcement has their number as well.

332 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:54:38pm

re: #287 goddamnedfrank

So besides Hillary who should be in the Dem primaries for 2016?

ELIZABETH WARREN

333 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:54:43pm

13 hours ago...

334 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:54:44pm

re: #285 jaunte

Jobs for veterans.

Republicans killed it, 20,000 veterans jobs for 4 years for a measly billion dollars and they killed it.

335 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:54:48pm

Wingnuts will be ecstatic in the morning when they realize they have four more years of hating Obama in their future.

336 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:55:03pm

re: #311 deadmaus

That[s a shame in a lot of ways.

Bummer for Republicans, it's a lot harder to suppress the black vote now a days.

337 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:55:19pm

re: #334 ghazidor

Republicans killed it, 20,000 veterans jobs for 4 years for a measly billion dollars and they killed it.

The patriotic thing to do./

338 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:55:36pm
339 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:55:39pm

re: #299 lostlakehiker

Tactially, for this election, the reason is that Romney had to say stuff to win the nomination, and then he couldn't unsay it.

Americans are not necessarily politically and ideologically conservative: they simply respond to people who are sincere or at least successfully project that image.

They want someone who will behave in a manner they can predict, someone who adheres to a clear set of principles, even if they do not agree with those principles.

Bush was able to successfully present that image in 2004, Kerry could not.

Mitt did not undersand that simple notion. His etch-a-sketch broke.

340 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:55:42pm

re: #334 ghazidor

Republicans killed it, 20,000 veterans jobs for 4 years for a measly billion dollars and they killed it.

EdDantes's good guys!

341 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:55:46pm

re: #311 deadmaus

That[s a shame in a lot of ways.

Leave it to beaver was fiction, not a documentary.

342 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:56:33pm

re: #300 EPR-radar

And that what is important about the white, male, straight, Christian hegemony in this country starting to end. The beneficiaries of all this privilege are willfully blind to it --- after all, it is never _their_ civil rights that are up for a vote.

yup.

as I told the troll in the previous thread --welcome to the reality the rest of us have been living all along.

343 deadmaus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:56:35pm

re: #341 ghazidor

Leave it to beaver was fiction, not a documentary.

Now I'm really sad.

344 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:56:37pm

re: #329 deadmaus

Repaired stuff instead of replace ( less waste).

We wasted a ton of stuff in the 1950s too. I don't know that we waste more now. We have a lot more recyclying, for example.

LESS porn )

Who cares?

Seriously, the 1950s also had disenfranchisement and oppression of black citizens, the red scare, and shitloads of jingoism. It's just a decade with good marketing.

345 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:56:54pm

Patrick
Murphy
50%
159,959

Allen
West
50%
157,578
99% in

346 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:56:59pm

re: #338 Benghazzy Ben Ross

[Embedded content]

And I salute those patriots.

347 Achilles Tang  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:57:04pm

re: #315 wheat-dogghazi

What's wrong about going forward?

It's progress (rhymes with progressive).

348 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:57:22pm

re: #301 deadmaus

Its not, but every time they speak is overdoing it. Makes you wonder if the even read and ok it before-hand.

I think you are projecting here.

(that means I think you are being subjective)

349 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:57:41pm

re: #332 Gretchen G.Tiger

ELIZABETH WARREN

re: #332 Gretchen G.Tiger

ELIZABETH WARREN

re: #332 Gretchen G.Tiger

ELIZABETH WARREN

350 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:57:41pm

re: #345 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Patrick
Murphy
50%
159,959

Allen
West
50%
157,578
99% in

Looks like Murphy's going to hang on.

351 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:57:53pm

re: #343 deadmaus

Now I'm really sad.

It's fun trying to guess which sock you are.
:)

352 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:58:00pm

It looks like the Dems will end up with 56 seats in the Senate, counting 2 "independents" who it is expected will caucus with them most of the time.

That will keep the Senate from doing anything stupid, but it will be difficult for Obama to get anything truly innovative passed through Congress. With John the Orange still ruling Congress and a not-filibuster proof majority in the Senate, I expect the next few years to be as unproductive out of DC as the past couple.

353 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:58:04pm

re: #306 Varek Raith

Yes, I know it's scary for some of you guys, but the 1950s are gone and dead.

***NEWSFLASH***

That mythical version of the 1950's never existed.

354 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:58:19pm

re: #350 HappyBenghazi

Looks like Murphy's going to hang on.

I haz a happy!

355 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:58:57pm
356 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:59:10pm

re: #354 Sophghazi, Gingham Style (AKA Bronco Bama)

I haz a happy!

Now if only the guy running against Bachmann can win.

357 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:59:14pm

What a speech. You go, Mr. President.

358 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:59:20pm

re: #352 freetoken

It looks like the Dems will end up with 56 seats in the Senate, counting 2 "independents" who it is expected will caucus with them most of the time.

That will keep the Senate from doing anything stupid, but it will be difficult for Obama to get anything truly innovative passed through Congress. With John the Orange still ruling Congress and a not-filibuster proof majority in the Senate, I expect the next few years to be as unproductive out of DC as the past couple.

On the plus side, it also means fewer Republicans have to be convinced to cross the aisle in order to break filibusters. And it also means Reid will have no problem reforming the filibuster come January.

359 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:59:24pm

re: #347 Achilles Tang

Yeah, some people don't like progress.

360 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:59:45pm

re: #332 Gretchen G.Tiger

ELIZABETH WARREN

She will only have two thirds of a Senate term to run on and no state legislative experience. I like her but I think at the very least she's going to have to get a spot on the Senate foreign relations committee to make that work.

361 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:59:58pm

Smilin' Joe is strutting!

362 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:59:58pm

It sounds like someone on the MSNBC panel was crying...

363 Batman  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:59:59pm

Nailed it.

364 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:00:18pm

re: #362 Benghazzy Ben Ross

It sounds like someone on the MSNBC panel was crying...

Chris.
Gotta be.

365 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:00:21pm

Go 44.

366 Joanne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:00:26pm

re: #320 EdDantes

Thankgodallmighty, our economy is recovering!

36 straight months of growth.

Millions of private sector jobs added.

Stock market more than doubled.

Corporations sitting on trillions in profits.

Yeah, considering what 2008 was, you better believe it!

367 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:00:44pm

re: #338 Benghazzy Ben Ross

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So fucked up. Such a misallocation of resources. That shit just doesn't happen here, there's absolutely no excuse for it.

368 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:00:48pm
369 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:01:14pm

Reality is a bitch, eh Republicans?
Can't unskew that.

370 deadmaus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:01:14pm

re: #351 Varek Raith

It's fun trying to guess which sock you are.
:)

Neither a sock nor troll. Registered here well before Charles' about turn and mostly just lurk.

371 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:01:56pm
372 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:02:01pm

re: #368 Benghazzy Ben Ross

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Please, oh please, say she gets sent home.

373 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:02:09pm

re: #368 Benghazzy Ben Ross

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there just might be a G-d.

;)

374 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:02:15pm

re: #370 deadmaus

Neither a sock nor troll. Registered here well before Charles' about turn and mostly just lurk.

Hmmm...
Well, it's not like I haven't put my foot in my mouth before.

375 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:02:18pm

I planted in front of the TV to watch.

Great as hell acceptance speech.

376 Batman  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:02:19pm

I don't know why everyone is celebrating. That unskewedpolls guy hasn't unskewed the election results yet.

377 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:02:37pm

re: #374 Varek Raith

Hmmm...
Well, it's not like I haven't put my foot in my mouth before.

did you take a bite?

378 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:02:49pm

re: #368 Benghazzy Ben Ross

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Right now I'm seeing 78% in and he's winning by 187 votes.

379 deadmaus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:03:17pm

re: #374 Varek Raith

Hmmm...
Well, it's not like I haven't put my foot in my mouth before.

Same here don't worry.

380 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:03:28pm

re: #377 Gretchen G.Tiger

did you take a bite?

Ew, no.
It's all bone.

381 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:03:34pm

re: #267 EdDantes

Indeed. Shush! The one is speaking!

re: #324 JamesWI

Don't feed the troll. He's just trying to flounce.....in the weakest, most pussified way possible.

Let him, because while I'm all for diversity of thought, there's a time when people like that become a net negative.

382 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:03:43pm

re: #358 Targetpractice

But two of the Republicans Obama would have turned towards to cross the aisle are no longer there, both replaced by people who more often than not will be on his page anyway.

What this means is that McCain, Hatch, Graham, and Collins will be the goto Republicans that Obama will try to convince, and they'll extract high prices on their pet projects.

383 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:03:50pm

epitaph for 2012 republican campaign:

Self Inflicted Wounds

384 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:03:54pm

re: #378 JamesWI

Right now I'm seeing 78% in and he's winning by 187 votes.

Yeah, I'm not seeing the numbers he's seeing either. I'm cautiously optimistic.

385 abolitionist  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:04:22pm

re: #279 Joanne

I remember all kinds of useless shit. Except my phone number. ;-)

The woman I married gave me her phone # the very evening we met. She got it wrong.

386 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:04:35pm

re: #339 AK-47%

Americans are not necessarily politically and ideologically conservative: they simply respond to people who are sincere or at least successfully project that image.

They want someone who will behave in a manner they can predict, someone who adheres to a clear set of principles, even if they do not agree with those principles.

Bush was able to successfully present that image in 2004, Kerry could not.

Mitt did not undersand that simple notion. His etch-a-sketch broke.

Dr. Bong, astute political analyst, calls this the "stick up your ass" theory.

Americans will vote for the candidate who appears less likely to have a stick up his ass.

Consider:

Obama beat Romney, who looked like he had a stick up his ass.
Obama beat McCain; ditto.
Bush beat both Kerry and Gore, both of whom came across like they had an entire fucking tree up their asses.
Clinton beat Dole, who had a stick up his ass.
Clinton beat George H.W. Bush, who had a bit of a stick up his ass; Bush, in turn, beat Dukakis, who quite possibly had the biggest stick up his ass in modern Presidential politics.

So, yeah -- stick, ass.

387 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:04:37pm

re: #381 Ben G. Hazi

re: #324 JamesWI

Let him, because while I'm all for diversity of thought, there's a time when people like that become a net negative.

I support nuking hurricanes.
Yes is overrated.
Greedo shot first.
The Force is a disease.
/Diversity of thought!

388 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:05:16pm

re: #382 freetoken

But two of the Republicans Obama would have turned towards to cross the aisle are no longer there, both replaced by people who more often than not will be on his page anyway.

What this means is that McCain, Hatch, Graham, and Collins will be the goto Republicans that Obama will try to convince, and they'll extract high prices on their pet projects.

Hence my hopes for a reformed filibuster rule, perhaps in order to finally kill the "two track" system and start requiring Republicans to stand up and keep debate going until they can't anymore, then simply hold a majority vote. Get the system moving again.

389 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:05:17pm

In the 1950's women knew their limits!

390 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:05:20pm

re: #385 abolitionist

The woman I married gave me her phone # the very evening we met. She got it wrong.

When that happens to me it's usually not an accident...

391 dragonath  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:05:57pm

re: #386 BongGhazi

Dr. Bong, astute political analyst, calls this the "stick up your ass" theory.

Americans will vote for the candidate who appears less likely to have a stick up his ass.

So, yeah -- stick, ass.

I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

392 sagehen  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:06:00pm

re: #148 JamesWI

Seriously, if Obama had lost, would any of us had the urge to go crying on wingnut sites about how the world is over? Anyone?

I might be crying, but certainly not in wingnut locales.

393 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:06:15pm

re: #384 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Yeah, I'm not seeing the numbers he's seeing either. I'm cautiously optimistic.

Well, his numbers were probably a little old. But still, it's pretty positive. Before Obama's speech, I was seeing Bachmann up by more than 1,000 votes.

394 Lidane  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:06:26pm

After a night of drinking and hoping for the best, all I can say is WOOHOO President Obama! Yay for another four years! :D

395 moderatelyradicalliberal  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:07:03pm

Yeah! 4 more for 44!

396 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:07:06pm

Night all. I get to go to work as that drunk ass hung over democrat. AGAIN.

Whoo to the whoo. My water cooler point ..already thought it out, as we should never gloat...is that I'm really happy the rapey guys lost....they will say huh? And then I will explain.

397 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:07:07pm

Freepers are complaining that if only the GOP had listened to Rush, they would have won the election.

398 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:07:14pm

So sleepy.
And hungry.
...

399 jaunte  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:07:40pm

Goodnight all.

Relief now, sleep in a minute, and morning too soon.

400 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:07:55pm

re: #398 Varek Raith

So sleepy.
And hungry.
...

Itchy...tasty...

//

401 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:08:00pm

re: #366 Joanne

36 straight months of growth.

Millions of private sector jobs added.

Stock market more than doubled.

Corporations sitting on trillions in profits.

Yeah, considering what 2008 was, you better believe it!

Yes, Joanne we are in a golden age. The unemployed are particularly gratified.

402 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:08:05pm

re: #335 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Wingnuts will be ecstatic in the morning when they realize they have four more years of hating Obama in their future.

Pam, Rush, Michelle, Erick, Glenn, Ann, et al really should thank Obama for ensuring the continuation of their extravagant livelihood.

403 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:08:07pm

re: #397 Kragarghazi

Freepers are complaining that if only the GOP had listened to Rush, they would have won the election.

NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH!!!11ty

404 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:08:09pm

re: #386 BongGhazi

Dr Bong obviously has the wrong avatar

Image: Dr_Bong.jpg

405 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:08:32pm

LOL....did they purposely find the most ridiculous headset for him to wear?

406 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:08:37pm

re: #397 Kragarghazi

Freepers are complaining that if only the GOP had listened to Rush, they would have won the election.

Still in the denial stage I see.

407 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:08:47pm

re: #352 freetoken

It looks like the Dems will end up with 56 seats in the Senate, counting 2 "independents" who it is expected will caucus with them most of the time.

That will keep the Senate from doing anything stupid, but it will be difficult for Obama to get anything truly innovative passed through Congress. With John the Orange still ruling Congress and a not-filibuster proof majority in the Senate, I expect the next few years to be as unproductive out of DC as the past couple.

Those last few remaining moderate Republicans in the Senate are going to have possibly even more power to influence legislation.

408 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:09:39pm

re: #407 BongGhazi

Those last few remaining moderate Republicans in the Senate are going to have possibly even more power to influence legislation.

They will excercise that at the expense of exerting any influence on their own party...

409 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:09:40pm

re: #407 BongGhazi

Those last few remaining moderate Republicans in the Senate are going to have possibly even more power to influence legislation.

They will have a window of opportunity while the *sting* of the election results is fresh. Hope they use it.

410 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:09:42pm

re: #391 dragonath

I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

Sorry -- shot my whole load right there.

411 boredtechindenver  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:09:47pm

In more good news from CO, Ed Perlmutter kept his House seat, defeating Joe Coors.

412 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:10:01pm

re: #410 BongGhazi

Sorry -- shot my whole load right there.

TMI

413 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:10:01pm

re: #403 Ben G. Hazi

NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH!!!11ty

To: Windy City Conservative

If we followed Limbaugh’s blueprint for candidates, we’d win just about every time. 2010 was a Limbaugh style election and it was a mega sweep.

2012 was a consultant run loss.
---
To: tshaun

Rush is conservative.

You can thank spineless GOP weasels like this idiot for failure.
---
To: Windy City Conservative

IF it hadn’t of been for RUSH, we all would be basket cases. GO RUSH and YOU STAND UP TO ALL THE GARBAGE. AMERICA needs you more than EVER now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Et cetera et cetera

414 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:10:09pm

re: #411 boredtechindenver

In more good news from CO, Ed Perlmutter kept his House seat, defeating Joe Coors.

Speaking of Coors, I'm going to get some Blue Moon.

415 OhNoZombies!  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:10:14pm

Sweet Dreams, scaly ones.
See you tomorrow.

416 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:10:16pm

I'm out.
Later

417 EdDantes  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:10:20pm

Goodnight, all. I leave you to enjoy your victory.

418 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:10:38pm

re: #401 EdDantes

Yes, Joanne we are in a golden age. The unemployed are particularly gratified.

It all comes down to that old political saw, "Are you better off than you were four years ago?" Enough people think that they are, so that's mostly why we don't have a President-elect Romney this morning.

Get over it...your guys lost.

419 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:10:56pm
420 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:11:13pm

re: #417 EdDantes

Goodnight, all. I leave you to enjoy your victory.

It's delicious.

421 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:12:05pm
422 Joanne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:12:12pm

re: #401 EdDantes

Yes, Joanne we are in a golden age. The unemployed are particularly gratified.

You expect an immediate turnaround of one of the largest economies on earth overnight? Perhaps had your precious good guys not stymied jobs bills, jobs for veterans bills and everything else Obama tried to get through to grow the economy, we'd see 4% instead of 2.8%.

Talk to the Republicans. Slow growth is on their heads.

423 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:12:19pm

re: #420 Benghazzy Ben Ross

It's delicious.

It tastes like Turkey Hill chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream.

424 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:12:29pm

re: #417 EdDantes

Goodnight, all. I leave you to enjoy your victory.

"Ran out of kleenex, need to drive to the store for more. Hope I can drive with these tears in my eyes"

425 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:12:43pm
426 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:13:10pm

re: #404 Kragarghazi

Dr Bong obviously has the wrong avatar

Image: Dr_Bong.jpg

I seriously considered voting for Howard the Duck in the '76 election.

I was beyond apoplectic that Democrats would choose Jimmy Carter over Mo Udall.

427 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:13:49pm

re: #407 BongGhazi

Those last few remaining moderate Republicans in the Senate are going to have possibly even more power to influence legislation.

Lamar! might be one of them.

428 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:13:54pm
429 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:15:25pm

Wow, it's past 1pm in my part of the world. Last time I remember looking it was 10:13pm.

Exciting night!

430 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:16:17pm

What is Chris Matthews bitching about now?

431 GatorsEatsTaters  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:16:37pm

http://0.tqn.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/T/T/spEP912--Trapped_in_the_Closet--3.jpg

"What happened?"

"Romney locked himself in the closet and won't come out..."

432 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:16:43pm

re: #425 Benghazzy Ben Ross

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Those eyes...dead man's eyes.

433 Kragar  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:16:46pm

re: #428 Benghazzy Ben Ross

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Looks like 32 is going down in flames, which was a big one.

434 Mattand  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:17:08pm

re: #423 Ben G. Hazi

It tastes like Turkey Hill chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream.

Turkey Hill Dutch Chocolate or nothing. There will be no argument about this.

435 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:17:24pm

re: #387 Varek Raith

I support nuking hurricanes.
Yes is overrated.
Greedo shot first.
The Force is a disease.
/Diversity of thought!

Pineapple on pizza!

436 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:17:56pm

Bachmann back up about 1,700 votes with 81% in.....damn. Hopefully there's still some heavy Dem areas left.

437 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:18:18pm

re: #374 Varek Raith

Hmmm...
Well, it's not like I haven't put my foot in my mouth before.

Thats for sure...oh wait...

Go get him Varek!... :p

438 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:18:37pm

re: #436 JamesWI

Bachmann back up about 1,700 votes with 81% in.....damn. Hopefully there's still some heavy Dem areas left.

Damn you'd think the majority of her constituents would be sick of her act.

439 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:18:57pm

re: #434 Kung Fughazi

Turkey Hill Dutch Chocolate or nothing. There will be no argument about this.

Oooh, that's good too, especially with some walnut pieces.

440 Joanne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:19:01pm

What about West?

441 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:19:39pm

Sooooooooo glad this is over with clear results. And a win for my choice of candidate.

Done pontificating here for a while, will still be looking in regularly, but gonna take a break from political blogging for a while.

442 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:20:12pm

re: #438 HappyBenghazi

Damn you'd think the majority of her constituents would be sick of her act.

I think she's been redistricted into what is supposed to be safe territory for a Republican. The fact that it's this close is probably a sign that the few sane Republicans left HAVE gotten sick of her.

443 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:20:19pm

So, I wonder what's next for Reince Priebus. Is the GOP going to put him in The Wicker Man?

444 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:20:21pm
445 Mattand  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:20:33pm

re: #439 Ben G. Hazi

Oooh, that's good too, especially with some walnut pieces.

How dare you? Dutch Chocolate is perfect as is.

Plus, I'm too lazy to open the walnut bag.

446 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:20:49pm

re: #440 Joanne

What about West?

Murphy winning by 2,000 with 99% in

447 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:21:16pm

re: #443 goddamnedfrank

So, I wonder what's next for Reince Priebus. Is the GOP going to put him in The Wicker Man?

Not the bees!!

/

448 Mattand  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:21:38pm

re: #443 goddamnedfrank

So, I wonder what's next for Reince Priebus. Is the GOP going to put him in The Wicker Man?

Room 101.

449 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:22:05pm

re: #438 HappyBenghazi

Damn you'd think the majority of her constituents would be sick of her act.

I think there are some pretty hard core gay paranoid mega whacko church types in that constituency.

450 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:22:38pm

re: #447 Targetpractice

Not the bees!!

/

How'd it get burned?!?

451 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:22:55pm

re: #445 Kung Fughazi

How dare you? Dutch Chocolate is perfect as is.

Plus, I'm too lazy to open the walnut bag.

ftfy

452 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:23:00pm

re: #438 HappyBenghazi

Damn you'd think the majority of her constituents would be sick of her act.

Her district's got an 8 point Republican advantage.

The fact it's so close is at least somewhat encouraging.

Maybe after another two years of her nonsense...

453 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:23:12pm

Friends, lizards, countrypersons of unspecified gender, lend me your eyes.

I have had too much champain...champagan...bubbly stuff, and thus I am now sodding off to bed. May you all sleep the sleep of the triumphant, and awake freshened and ready to deal with the nation of whinging fucking crybaby republicans we will surely face on the morrow. Ramen, and Zod bless.

454 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:23:29pm

Boom.

455 Big Joe Ghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:23:34pm
456 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:23:36pm

This just in - Mitch McConnell is still an ass hole.

457 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:23:46pm

re: #454 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Boom.

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So much for the young up-and-comer.

458 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:23:51pm

re: #401 EdDantes

Yes, Joanne we are in a golden age. The unemployed are particularly gratified.

Come on just admit it, Obama inherited an economy that had been utterly crashed by the Republicans. After four years of struggling to avoid depression and get it going again it is finally showing some real signs of life again.

It really pisses you off that it will be Obama in office to get the credit for what he has done instead of a Republican walking in just as things turn around and stealing all the credit for it, doesn't it?

459 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:24:09pm

re: #456 makeitstopghazi

This just in - Mitch McConnell is still an ass hole.

He's afraid of getting primaried.

460 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:24:28pm

re: #443 goddamnedfrank

So, I wonder what's next for Reince Priebus. Is the GOP going to put him in The Wicker Man?

Michael Steele's probably looking good to more than a few people right now.

461 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:25:16pm

Can't believe they're not calling the Murphy/West race.

99% reporting, Murphy winning by 2,400 votes. One county hasn't fully reported (99%), and they have it tied....I have a hard time thinking West would get ALL the votes in that last polling place.

462 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:25:26pm

No.

No...

way...

463 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:25:51pm

re: #458 ghazidor

Come on just admit it, Obama inherited an economy that had been utterly crashed by the Republicans. After four years of struggling to avoid depression and get it going again it is finally showing some real signs of life again.

It really pisses you off that it will be Obama in office to get the credit for what he has done instead of a Republican walking in just as things turn around and stealing all the credit for it, doesn't it?

I think it's more a a rationalization. The fact is that Obama is a black man and the Whacko fringe can't deal with it.

464 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:26:29pm

re: #462 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Andy needs to read the whole article...

UPDATE (2:13 a.m.): With 3% more of the votes in, Bachmann has pulled ahead and is now again the projected winner.

465 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:26:39pm

re: #459 HappyBenghazi

He's afraid of getting primaried.

Probably.

I want to see Obama call that turtle-neck douchecanoe out. He should go to war with the House and shame them at every turn. Make them own their radicalism.

McConnell did not win the presidency tonight, Obama did.

466 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:26:54pm

re: #454 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Boom.

[Embedded content]

Mia Love loses in Utah.

Maybe you can't win in Utah with a porn star name.

467 dragonath  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:27:17pm

re: #422 Joanne

Eh, I don't really want to play his game. I will say this:

Under Romney's plan, capital gains would have been taxed less than the marginal tax rate. Quite simply, labor would be taxed more than pushing around numbers.

We should all feel grateful we don't have to rely on people like EdDantes for our tax burden.

468 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:27:20pm

re: #462 Benghazzy Ben Ross

No.

[Embedded content]

No...

way...

CNN has Bachmann up 2,300 with 84% in. Wonder if it's all Dem areas left

469 Girth  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:28:04pm

re: #462 Benghazzy Ben Ross

No.

[Embedded content]

No...

way...

America...Fuck Yeah!

470 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:28:26pm

re: #468 JamesWI

CNN has Bachmann up 2,300 with 84% in. Wonder if it's all Dem areas left

That's just it, looking at the counties it doesn't seem like she'll lose.

471 Joanne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:28:34pm

re: #449 Gretchen G.Tiger

I think there are some pretty hard core gay paranoid mega whacko church types in that constituency.

Yes, there is. Lots, unfortunately.

472 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:29:14pm

Minnesota Public Radio also has Bachmann ahead.

473 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:29:28pm

Gosh I remember reading a book right around the time of Bush's re-election called The Emerging Democratic Majority. I need to re-read that. As I recall the authors really made some good arguments for what has since happened.

474 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:30:38pm

re: #470 Benghazzy Ben Ross

That's just it, looking at the counties it doesn't seem like she'll lose.

Yeah, I don't know enough about those counties to know whether there are pockets of Dems there. All of my time in Minnesota was spent in the Twin Cities. Never really had the urge to go to places that would actually vote for Michelle Bachmann.

475 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:30:38pm

Still, West and Walsh gone. 2 outta 3 ain't bad.

476 dragonath  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:30:49pm

One maliciously insane congressman out, but an insane congressman with a penchant for shooting herself in the foot survives.

I could almost live with this.

477 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:31:34pm

re: #475 Targetpractice

Still, West and Walsh gone. 2 outta 3 ain't bad.

AKIN!!!!!

478 Joanne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:31:50pm

re: #462 Benghazzy Ben Ross

No.

No...

way...

Oh....please, please, please, please, please, please!

479 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:31:54pm

Wish I could get a break from this stuff but we have a governor's election next fall. Maybe Mitt's failing here will make the GOP think twice about nominating a nutso like Cuccinneli. Nah.......

480 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:31:55pm

Fox bringing up all the "irregularities" in the election, right now harping about the mural in the one school, "It is just like what they do in communist countries!"

"No President has ever been re-elected in such abysmal economic conditions," but now we know why "according to exit polls more than half blamed the countries economic condition on president bush."

Etc, etc, etc, this is nauseatingly blatant propaganda, why does anyone listen to this crap?

481 Girth  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:31:57pm

re: #464 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Andy needs to read the whole article...

UPDATE (2:13 a.m.): With 3% more of the votes in, Bachmann has pulled ahead and is now again the projected winner.

Minnesota 6...Boo.

482 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:32:45pm

re: #474 JamesWI

Yeah, I don't know enough about those counties to know whether there are pockets of Dems there. All of my time in Minnesota was spent in the Twin Cities. Never really had the urge to go to places that would actually vote for Michelle Bachmann.

I don't much either, but you see the way they're trending and it just doesn't look like she's going to lose.

Ah well, more than enough happened tonight to make me happy.

483 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:32:52pm

re: #476 dragonath

One maliciously insane congressman out, but an insane congressman with a penchant for shooting herself in the foot survives.

I could almost live with this.

IIRC, she holds seat on the Defense Committee (I think it's defense).

She has no business being there. She thinks Muslims are akin to devil worshipers--remember.

484 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:33:09pm

re: #480 ghazidor

Fox bringing up all the "irregularities" in the election, right now harping about the mural in the one school, "It is just like what they do in communist countries!"

"No President has ever been re-elected in such abysmal economic conditions," but now we know why "according to exit polls more than half blamed the countries economic condition on president bush."

Etc, etc, etc, this is nauseatingly blatant propaganda, why does anyone listen to this crap?

"No President has ever been re-elected in such abysmal economic conditions".....Um....wasn't the economy ....still pretty bad....after FDR's first term?

485 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:33:10pm

Well that sucks. I bet you the Dems target that seat hard in 2014 though.

486 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:33:31pm

re: #483 Gretchen G.Tiger

IIRC, she holds seat on the Defense Committee (I think it's defense).

She has no business being there. She thinks Muslims are akin to devil worshipers--remember.

Intelligence I believe but yes.

487 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:34:03pm

re: #486 HappyBenghazi

Intelligence I believe but yes.

Yeah, it's Intel. Ironically enough.

488 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:34:30pm

re: #484 JamesWI

"No President has ever been re-elected in such abysmal economic conditions".....Um....wasn't the economy ....still pretty bad....after FDR's first term?

But, b,b,b,b, FDR was a (SOCIALIST) HE RUINED THIS COUNTRY.

(pretend I typed that in purple, comic sans)

489 dragonath  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:34:35pm

Well the face of GOP intelligence for the next 4 years. Ain't that dandy.

Boehner really has his work cut out for him.

490 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:34:46pm

Now 85% in, Bachmann's lead down to 1,900.......hmmmm

491 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:35:04pm

re: #480 ghazidor

Fox bringing up all the "irregularities" in the election, right now harping about the mural in the one school, "It is just like what they do in communist countries!"

"No President has ever been re-elected in such abysmal economic conditions," but now we know why "according to exit polls more than half blamed the countries economic condition on president bush."

Etc, etc, etc, this is nauseatingly blatant propaganda, why does anyone listen to this crap?

Personally think that a rather glaring indictment of how badly the GOP fucked themselves over, that even with UE over 7.2%, the historical high for modern elections, they still lost by such a strong margin to Obama. He didn't scrape by the skin of his teeth, he won pretty comfortably.

492 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:35:26pm

re: #486 HappyBenghazi

Intelligence I believe but yes.

re: #487 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Yeah, it's Intel. Ironically enough.

Yes, that's it.

That is enough to make sane person depressed.

But NOT tonite.

493 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:35:41pm

re: #483 Gretchen G.Tiger

IIRC, she holds seat on the Defense Committee (I think it's defense).

Ironically, she's on the Intelligence Committee.

494 Joanne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:35:41pm

re: #483 Gretchen G.Tiger

IIRC, she holds seat on the Defense Committee (I think it's defense).

She has no business being there. She thinks Muslims are akin to devil worshipers--remember.

Bachmann's on the Intelligence committee. (Insert laughter here)

495 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:35:57pm

re: #490 JamesWI

Now 85% in, Bachmann's lead down to 1,900.......hmmmm

Don't get your hopes up. Let the words "Allen West" and "defeat" keep you warm tonight.

496 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:36:56pm

Favorite comment from the YouTube video of Mitt's concession speech:

Dear American Citizens, Thank You.

Sincerely, Canada.

497 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:37:01pm

FWIW, at current count Obama is winning San Diego county by 1000 votes.

498 boredtechindenver  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:38:57pm

Seriously, MSNBC? A reporter named Krystal Ball on election night?

499 boxhead  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:39:34pm

Why does the GOP assign the most inept legislators to very important committee positions? That alone should be proof that the GOP is not serious about working towards a better USA.

500 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:39:36pm

Looks like the Bachmann race will come down to "Sherburne County." Currently only 43% reporting....I'll have to look it up quickly to see if I can find out anything about their politics

501 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:39:46pm

With all precincts reporting in San Francisco county, Romney got 13.5% of the votes there.

I'm surprised he got that many. Perhaps masochism is more popular there than I had thought.

502 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:40:32pm

re: #475 Targetpractice

Still, West and Walsh gone. 2 outta 3 ain't bad.

Ryan got reelected though...seems he hedged his bets well.

*spit*

503 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:40:34pm

dear fox news victims

remember all those people confidently predicting a romney landslide just a few days ago?


THEY ARE ALSO LYING TO YOU ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE


this has been a public service announcement from Reality Has A Liberal Bias

504 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:40:46pm

No Allen West.
No Joe Walsh.
No Todd Akin
No Richard Mourdock.
No Tommy Thompson.

This is one seriously *great* night.

I can live with Michelle Bachmann squeaking by.

505 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:41:00pm

re: #499 boxhead

Why does the GOP assign the most inept legislators to very important committee positions? That alone should be proof that the GOP is not serious about working towards a better USA.

Incredibly, they're probably the least inept.

Let that sink in a minute. Scary thought.

506 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:41:49pm

re: #504 BongGhazi

No Allen West.
No Joe Walsh.
No Todd Akin
No Richard Mourdock.
No Tommy Thompson.

This is one seriously *great* night

I can live with Michelle Bachmann squeaking by.

No Mitt Romney!

507 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:42:03pm

re: #500 JamesWI

Looks like the Bachmann race will come down to "Sherburne County." Currently only 43% reporting....I'll have to look it up quickly to see if I can find out anything about their politics

Also, Wright County. Missed that one when I looked, looks like it probably has a bigger chance of affecting the election.

508 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:42:10pm

re: #504 BongGhazi

No Allen West.
No Joe Walsh.
No Todd Akin
No Richard Mourdock.
No Tommy Thompson.

This is one seriously *great* night

I can live with Michelle Bachmann squeaking by.

No George Allen. That was key for me.

509 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:42:34pm

re: #506 makeitstopghazi

No Mitt Romney!

We still have to suffer with Ryan in the HR though.

510 DREd  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:42:47pm

The fox people are just yelling at each other right now. It's delicious.

511 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:42:50pm

Honestly, I don't understand the deal with Bachmann. Who had the bright idea to put her in politics or her original law job with the IRS.

I saw her give testimony a long time ago on a C-SPAN broadcast of a hearing about--something to do with children/foster care system or something. She was wonderful. Of all the whacko a fetus-is-a-person politicans out there, I have to give credit where credit is due. She and her husband have actually have taken in foster children. Where most anti-abortion people wouldn't dream of adopting or fostering even one of those children.

She would have been wonderful in Family Law, Guardian Ad Litem, whatever --and I think that is where her heart is. She would also have been exposed to REALITY.

As it is her world view is now so twisted, I don't think she could even be effective in family law.

512 Joanne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:42:53pm

re: #498 boredtechindenver

Seriously, MSNBC? A reporter named Krystal Ball on election night?

She's a cohost on The Cycle. Very smart gal.

513 plansbandc  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:43:04pm

Wow. My former pretending to be moderate Republican friends are dropping the facade and tweeting some seriously racist crap. Very very sad.

514 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:43:37pm

re: #509 Ben G. Hazi

We still have to suffer with Ryan in the HR though.

Better there than the VP residence.

515 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:44:12pm

re: #499 boxhead

Why does the GOP assign the most inept legislators to very important committee positions? That alone should be proof that the GOP is not serious about working towards a better USA.

I think my usual term of Whackos is going to have to have a sub-grouping of "Rapturists".

They seem to be strategically placing Rapturists where they think it is necessary. Scary shit, IMHO.

516 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:44:38pm

re: #514 makeitstopghazi

Better there than the VP residence.

True, but expect the Ryan Plan to make a comeback after the dust settles.

517 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:44:50pm

re: #512 Joanne

She's a cohost on The Cycle. Very smart gal.

She is. And her parents actually named her that, so it's not her fault.

518 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:44:53pm

It's kinda sad how the areas of Pennsylvania that once made my family reliable Democrats are now with the exception of Allegheny County turning to the right. Oh well, still love ya Western Pa.

519 boxhead  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:44:55pm

re: #505 makeitstopghazi

Incredibly, they're probably the least inept.

Let that sink in a minute. Scary thought.

And I was feeling good a minute ago... LOL but all jokes aside, there truly are better folks. The GOP leadership is fucked up.

520 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:45:13pm

re: #503 engineer cat

dear fox news victims

remember all those people confidently predicting a romney landslide just a few days ago?

THEY ARE ALSO LYING TO YOU ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE

this has been a public service announcement from Reality Has A Liberal Bias

so stealing that and posting on my fb

521 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:45:29pm

U.S. House District 6
85.4% reporting
Vote % Votes
GOP Michele Bachmann 50.3% 146,208
DFL Jim Graves 49.7% 144,344

Source: Associated Press

Sorry about formatting. 1,864 votes difference

522 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:46:17pm

re: #510 DREd

The fox people are just yelling at each other right now. It's delicious.

I'm surprised that haven't all gone home and just put up an image of the flag for the rest of the night.

523 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:46:36pm

Yeah, doesn't look like I'll be able to find any good info on the politics of those MN counties....guess I'll just have to cross my fingers.

524 boxhead  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:47:12pm

re: #515 Gretchen G.Tiger

I think my usual term of Whackos is going to have to have a sub-grouping of "Rapturists".

They seem to be strategically placing Rapturists where they think it is necessary. Scary shit, IMHO.

You may be correct.... but why, the real GOP leadership surely do not buy that cause they are evil. I guess I could hazard a guess.... pandering...

525 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:47:14pm

It looks like the GOP will end up with 44 Senate seats. The RNC and their talking heads all bragged that they would "take back" the Senate, but the truly troglodyte GOP candidates destroyed that.

44 seats is not enough to cause the Senate to undertake any stupid agendas, but it is enough to stop President Obama from having any aggressive legislative agenda, as the filibuster will be available to GOP to use and they will not hesitate to use it.

526 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:47:33pm

re: #523 JamesWI

Yeah, doesn't look like I'll be able to find any good info on the politics of those MN counties....guess I'll just have to cross my fingers.

Cravack lost. Not familiar with him at all really but a college friend of mine has been in Minnesota working hard for his opponent.

527 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:48:30pm

2014's gonna be an interesting year. Hopefully we won't get a case of amnesia again and fall for stupid idiots claiming only they understand the values of the Founding Fathers.

528 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:49:10pm

Markos is an excellent troll.

529 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:50:23pm

re: #524 boxhead

You may be correct.... but why, the real GOP leadership surely do not buy that cause they are evil. I guess I could hazard a guess.... pandering...

There are really some whacked-out Rapturists out there, and if any part of "The Family" is really out there, it's scarier than Hell on Earth. Truly brainwashed people, but yes, I think you are correct. They are puppets.

530 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:50:29pm

Behold the power of redistricting.

If all the seats still leaning towards the GOP finish that way, the GOP will have 238 members, down only 4 from their 242 current count.

So no, nothing is going to change in Congress.

Take solace in West being booted, but that is one of the few victories tonight as far as Congress is concerned.

531 Joanne  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:51:48pm
532 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:52:46pm

re: #531 Joanne

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I'll drink a shot of whiskey to him. Seriously could you have a more Irish sounding name? Seriously though. This is great.

533 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:52:49pm

Bachmann now leading with 1612 votes with 86.4% counted. (AP)

534 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:52:58pm

re: #515 Gretchen G.Tiger

I think my usual term of Whackos is going to have to have a sub-grouping of "Rapturists".

They seem to be strategically placing Rapturists where they think it is necessary. Scary shit, IMHO.

There's no "seems" to it. The Family...Dominionism...Christian Nationalism. All of these movements (which overlap) open talk about taking control of this nation and fundamentally alerting it to reflect their social conservative, Christian-chauvanist worldview. Not at all hidden.

535 Big Joe Ghazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:53:25pm

No doubt on the popular vote now that the west has spoken.

536 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:54:03pm
537 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:54:09pm

There was a sound rejection of Romney and wingnuts as well. They have no political capital.

538 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:55:13pm

re: #536 Benghazzy Ben Ross

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I think this makes me the most happy. Happy for my friends and family. There is no good reason why gay marriage should be barred.

539 JamesWI  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:56:01pm

re: #530 freetoken

Behold the power of redistricting.

If all the seats still leaning towards the GOP finish that way, the GOP will have 238 members, down only 4 from their 242 current count.

So no, nothing is going to change in Congress.

Take solace in West being booted, but that is one of the few victories tonight as far as Congress is concerned.

I'm not foolish enough to think there will be any monumental change in Congress, but I do have a little hope that the more politically aware Republicans notice the likes of West/Walsh/(maybe)Bachmann losing in the House, the trolls losing in the Senate, and the changing demographics of this nation........and realize that redistricting will only protect the crazy for so long.

540 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:56:44pm

re: #523 JamesWI

Yeah, doesn't look like I'll be able to find any good info on the politics of those MN counties....guess I'll just have to cross my fingers.

re: #521 wheat-dogghazi

U.S. House District 6
85.4% reporting
Vote % Votes
GOP Michele Bachmann 50.3% 146,208
DFL Jim Graves 49.7% 144,344

Source: Associated Press

Looking through Politico's historical map all way back to 2002, Bachmann's district has been consistently GOP, though this year is the tightest race of them all.

Good luck, Graves, you'll need it...

/G-d help us all

541 dragonath  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:57:11pm

re: #536 Benghazzy Ben Ross

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That would not have happened 4 years ago. Change.

Good.

542 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:57:32pm

Chris Matthews: I'm so glad we had that storm last week.

Christ, man...

543 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:57:51pm

re: #541 dragonath

That would not have happened 4 years ago. Change.

Good.

This is part of why it was important for Obama to come out in favor of gay marriage.

544 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:58:17pm

re: #542 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Chris Matthews: I'm so glad we had that storm last week.

Christ, man...

HE FUCKING SAID THAT!

545 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:58:32pm

re: #537 Amory Blaine

There was a sound rejection of Romney and wingnuts as well. They have no political capital.

Boehner the Orange is already playing the "Obama has no mandate" card.

Fucking obstructionist dick...

546 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:59:02pm

re: #537 Amory Blaine

There was a sound rejection of Romney and wingnuts as well. They have no political capital.

Yes, and Obama should aggressively press that advantage.

Call them out. Often. Make them own their radicalism, and let there be no mistaking who is holding up what.

If Bush earned a mandate in 2004, Obama earned one tonight. He's a smart guy, he'll use it.

547 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:59:04pm

so glad Thompson went down. . fucker. . .outsourcer. . .lobby whore. . .

548 deadmaus  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:59:29pm

re: #538 HappyBenghazi

]Benghazzy Ben Ross'

Btw, GGR, one of ( if no the ) my favorite movies..simply brilliant.

549 freetoken  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:59:30pm

As far as the popular vote is concerned, unless turnout was way down this year (possible still), Obama has around 5 million more votes waiting for him to be counted here in California alone.

550 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:59:36pm

Well guys still a lot of work still to be done but I am looking forward to taking a break from politics. I'm looking forward to the book and movie about this election.

551 boredtechindenver  Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:59:57pm

re: #512 Joanne

She's a cohost on The Cycle. Very smart gal.

Oh, She was very good on her segment. It is the name. She should go work for Nate Silver.

552 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:00:27am

re: #550 HappyBenghazi

Well guys still a lot of work still to be done but I am looking forward to taking a break from politics. I'm looking forward to the book and movie about this election.

Game Change II: The Obamaning

///

553 Joanne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:00:52am
554 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:00:54am

re: #552 Ben G. Hazi

Game Change II: The Obamaning

///

Game Change II: Mitt's Folly.

555 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:01:39am

re: #534 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea

There's no "seems" to it. The Family...Dominionism...Christian Nationalism. All of these movements (which overlap) open talk about taking control of this nation and fundamentally alerting it to reflect their social conservative, Christian-chauvanist worldview. Not at all hidden.

I know the organization is real. I just have a hard time getting all conspiracy-creepy about it.

Mostly I think the whole idea is out of a bad Sci-Fi novel. Like some L. Ron Hubbard scientology wannabe. It's so hard not to make jokes about it.

Like Kilgore's frogs. You know, they could just be waiting to be a blight to the entire West Coast. I could go on and on in that strain. Oh, and Sleeping Beauty is really in the Black Forest just waiting for --well you know. . . .

;)

556 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:02:24am

re: #542 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Chris Matthews: I'm so glad we had that storm last week.

Christ, man...

WHAT? Did he really say that?

557 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:02:51am

re: #540 Ben G. Hazi

re: #521 wheat-dogghazi

Looking through Politico's historical map all way back to 2002, Bachmann's district has been consistently GOP, though this year is the tightest race of them all.

Good luck, Graves, you'll need it...

/G-d help us all

Well, really it just comes down to whether the polling places that are left to report are the Dem-leaning areas in an otherwise Republican-heavy area. There's certainly the chance that this is the case, since it always seems like Dem areas are reporting later than the Republican areas.

I wouldn't bet any money on her losing, but it's certainly not out of the question yet, and there will definitely be a recount unless she gains a TON of votes in the last precincts.

558 deadmaus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:03:07am

re: #548 deadmaus

Glengarry Glen Ross, it bears repeating seeing as it seemed to be relatively unheard of.

559 DREd  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:03:14am

The RNC could run on a platform of race baiting, nativist, sexist, science denying, Christian supremacist, economically illiterate bullshit for a long time by just getting a huge majority of the white male vote. But that doesn't fly anymore. So where do they go from here?

And Obama gets victory in Virginia by a huge margin.

560 DisturbedEma  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:03:32am

night all Yay Obama:)

561 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:03:48am

re: #539 JamesWI

Look, in 2010 the GOP nominated some real whackos for Senate (remember Delaware and Nevada?) but that didn't stop more of them being nominated this year.

The "more politically aware" Republicans can't escape the fate of the general party strategy - reach out to the revanchist and reactionary elements in the American populace, which are numerous.

562 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:04:03am

While I am still thinking of it I want to remember to thank Mitt for selecting Paul Ryan as his running mate.

From the moment he did so he spent at least half of his time attempting to defend the ridiculous Ryan budget plan. It might not have been his plan but by picking Ryan he was rightfully seen as having endorsed all the things that Ryan wanted.

I also want to thank the idiot pundits that convinced Romney that he had to choose Ryan to get the wingnut vote. From the outside it is obvious that he would have received their vote anyway due to ODS and tribalism, so I'm glad they managed to convince Romney otherwise.

The entire complexion of the race would have been changed if he had chosen Christie or Rubio as a running mate. Neither of them would have come with the evangelical extremist, anti-abortion/life at conception, fuck the poor, destroy the social safety net bonafides that Ryan brought to the table.

So thank you Mr. Romney, really I mean it, your selection of Ryan allowed us to define you exactly how we most wanted to and tied your hands when you tried to deny it. Your choice was almost as inspired as McCain's' selection of Palin was from a democratic point of view. Thank you for helping us so much in our efforts to defeat you.

P.S. PUTZ!

563 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:04:18am

re: #556 Gretchen G.Tiger

WHAT? Did he really say that?

YES! I went back on the DVR twice. Word for fucking word.

564 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:04:42am

re: #554 HappyBenghazi

Game Change II: Mitt's Folly.

C'mon, mine's better...wouldn't you want to see President Obama and Mitt face off in a sword fight with claymores?

I would totally pay to see President Obama scream, "There can be only one!"

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565 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:05:41am

re: #558 deadmaus

Glengarry Glen Ross, it bears repeating seeing as it seemed to be relatively unheard of.

Directed by that now-uncloseted shithead David Mamet.

Great director, lousy human being.

566 boredtechindenver  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:05:53am

Nate Silver's Map:

[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]


FNC map:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

The only state that FNC hasn't called yet is FL, but other than that, they both match up. So, why are Nate's EC numbers different?

FNC has EC at 306 to 203, with FL adding 29 for 538. Nate has EC numbers at 313 to 225. Am I missing something?

567 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:06:09am

re: #563 Benghazzy Ben Ross

YES! I went back on the DVR twice. Word for fucking word.

Ok, well . . .Chris, you should not drink and go on the air.

568 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:06:19am

re: #564 Ben G. Hazi

C'mon, mine's better...wouldn't you want to see President Obama and Mitt face off in a sword fight with claymores?

I would totally pay to see President Obama scream, "There can be only one!"

///

Why not? Seriously though. The book on this is going to be awesome. I want to get the fly inside the Romney campaign's view on things like the 47% gaffe being released to teh public, the repeated lies about Chrysler, etc.

569 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:06:44am

re: #498 boredtechindenver

Seriously, MSNBC? A reporter named Krystal Ball on election night?

Sounds like a stripper with only one over-sized breast.

"Now introducing Krystal Ball!"

///

570 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:08:04am
571 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:08:30am

re: #566 boredtechindenver

You're still looking at probability projections at the 538 blog, which are now all OBE.

Romney ended up with 206 EC votes.

572 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:08:54am

re: #566 boredtechindenver

Nate Silver's Map:

[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]

FNC map:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

The only state that FNC hasn't called yet is FL, but other than that, they both match up. So, why are Nate's EC numbers different?

FNC has EC at 306 to 203, with FL adding 29 for 538. Nate has EC numbers at 313 to 225. Am I missing something?

Nate's EC estimate is a mean average of the various simulations, not a mode. It doesn't necessarily predict an actual result.

573 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:09:24am

And Fox probably hasn't given Mitt Alaska yet, which is a sure bet.

574 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:09:36am

Okay, it's time for me to sign off and get some sleep.

575 Joanne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:09:38am

Night all. Great night! I hope I wake up to no more Bachmann.

576 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:09:43am

Benghazi.

577 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:09:44am

re: #570 Benghazzy Ben Ross

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I actually saw a documentary about Ole Miss and James Meredith not that long ago. Seems some things just won't change.

578 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:10:40am

As for Florida, it's almost all counted but three counties are not done yet, and the two largest of them are strongly Democratic, so as far as I'm concerned it's a lock for Obama.

579 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:11:27am

re: #561 freetoken

Look, in 2010 the GOP nominated some real whackos for Senate (remember Delaware and Nevada?) but that didn't stop more of them being nominated this year.

The "more politically aware" Republicans can't escape the fate of the general party strategy - reach out to the revanchist and reactionary elements in the American populace, which are numerous.

Well, in 2010 they gained seats, so the crazies had what they considered a compelling argument that their crazy is what worked.

Now the crazies have been mostly shot down. I don't doubt the crazy in the Party will stay strong for a while now, but I don't think incremental change in the Republican Party is out of the question.

A few defections here and there on certain issues where some Republicans know they don't have to pay 100% fealty to the crazy.

I doubt that we're going to see another four years where there is absolute, uniform, solidarity among ALL Republican Congressmen/women. I think the split is coming between the Establishment types and the Tea Party types. It will still be ridiculously partisan and incredibly ineffective, but some of the establishment-types can probably see the writing on the wall.

580 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:11:55am

I have to sleep.

Have a great Wednesday all!

And thanks for putting up with me this election cycle. I truly appreciate it.

581 Big Joe Ghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:13:47am
582 boredtechindenver  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:13:57am

Sorry, some numeric dyslexia there, 303 to 206. Still, if he looks at his projections on a per state basis, the EC votes need to match up. You can't project 313 EC votes, if that doesn't match your state projections.

583 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:14:19am

87% in, Bachmann's lead now down to about 1,400 (was 1,900 with 85% reporting)

584 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:14:33am
585 boredtechindenver  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:17:15am

Fox has projected Alaska for Romney. Again, the only missing EC votes on FNC are for FL. Even MSNBC is behind the FNC projections. I am thinking that the main talking heads on FNC are delusional, but their numbers guys appear to be very good, (if kept out of sight until tonight).

Edited to add:

FNC, Good Number people, shitty spin.

586 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:20:38am

re: #585 boredtechindenver

Fox has projected Alaska for Romney. Again, the only missing EC votes on FNC are for FL. Even MSNBC is behind the FNC projections. I am thinking that the main talking heads on FNC are delusional, but their numbers guys appear to be very good, (if kept out of sight until tonight).

Just looking at the county numbers, it seems clear that Miami-Dade has way more votes left than the Republican counties. Wonder if they're just holding off calling Florida because they know M-D isn't counting them until tomorrow.

587 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:21:06am

re: #585 boredtechindenver

If you look at Florida in detail, only two counties are reporting that they are not finished counting, of which the largest is the largest in the state - Miami-Dade county, which is strong Obama territory.

588 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:22:13am

I think they underestimated the Hispanic vote again. I hope Obama approaches with immigration reform. GOP has to know what the writing on the wall here is.

589 DREd  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:22:18am

re: #587 freetoken

Not that it matters, but Obama is going to win Florida too

590 Barflytom  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:24:58am

What a disaster !
No doubt all you lefties are pleased at Obama getting re-elected.
Good luck to you.
I'm sure all the people who live at the expense of others will do reasonably well for a few more years, but it won't last forever.
Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of my business, but I'm not going to bother now. I met two other chaps tonight who are going to stop recruiting any more people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.
It seems that turkeys really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas.

591 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:25:12am

re: #589 DREd

Not that it matters, but Obama is going to win Florida too

No doubt about it.

It's like the ND Senate seat race. HuffPo isn't calling it, but the only votes left to be counted are in one county, which is not very populated, and the leader in the race is ahead of the Republican by several thousand votes, which is probably more than all the registered voters in that county which isn't finished counting yet.

But for some reason it is still not decided, in some dreary eyed online editor's opinion.

592 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:25:24am

Just had to do a little trolling of the Daily Caller "journalist" who wrote up that yawn-worthy, Drudge-hyped story on Senator Menendez.

I'm guessing that'll get me blocked :)

593 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:25:55am

re: #590 Barflytom

What a disaster !
No doubt all you lefties are pleased at Obama getting re-elected.
Good luck to you.
I'm sure all the people who live at the expense of others will do reasonably well for a few more years, but it won't last forever.
Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of my business, but I'm not going to bother now. I met two other chaps tonight who are going to stop recruiting any more people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.
It seems that turkeys really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas.

Your tears....they're so yummy.

594 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:26:38am

re: #590 Barflytom

You've probably not read a damn thing some of us have written here tonight.

And by the way, you too are living "at the expense of others", and your unwillingness to admit that to yourself is based on your own need to put yourself above others in your own rather sad eyes.

595 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:28:18am

88% reporting, Bachmann's lead now down to 1,100......... it keeps shrinking, and keeps getting my hopes up

596 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:30:39am

re: #590 Barflytom

What a disaster !
No doubt all you lefties are pleased at Obama getting re-elected.
Good luck to you.
I'm sure all the people who live at the expense of others will do reasonably well for a few more years, but it won't last forever.
Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of my business, but I'm not going to bother now. I met two other chaps tonight who are going to stop recruiting any more people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.
It seems that turkeys really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas.

Now I know that you're talking out of your ass; if you really are a decent businessperson and business is good, would you really handicap yourself just so you can spite President Obama and libruls?

I'm guessing the only business dealings you are involved in involve Jack and shit...and Jack left town.

597 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:31:01am

Some people don't even have to drink to post drunk.

598 boredtechindenver  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:32:12am

re: #593 JamesWI

Your tears....they're so yummy.

599 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:32:21am

re: #597 dragonath

Some people don't even have to drink to post drunk.

It's not for a lack of effort I assure you. Oh.

600 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:32:59am

re: #596 Ben G. Hazi

Now I know that you're talking out of your ass; if you really are a businessperson and business is good, would you really handicap yourself just so you can spite President Obama and libruls?

No, I'm guessing the only business dealings you are involved in involve Jack and shit...and Jack left town.

If all the wingnuts on internet comment sections who claimed they were business owners actually owned business that were as large as they claim......the job numbers would be much better.

601 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:33:03am

The California SoS seems to be dragging its feet tonight, or at least certain counties are, in counting their votes.

602 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:33:16am

re: #566 boredtechindenver

Nate Silver's Map:

[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]

FNC map:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

The only state that FNC hasn't called yet is FL, but other than that, they both match up. So, why are Nate's EC numbers different?

FNC has EC at 306 to 203, with FL adding 29 for 538. Nate has EC numbers at 313 to 225. Am I missing something?

Total available is still 538 so obviously someones addition is slightly wrong, but what does it matter? The result is the same in the end.

BTW, FNC has it at 303 to 206 not 306 to 203 if that helps any...

603 boredtechindenver  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:34:47am

re: #590 Barflytom

Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of my business, but I'm not going to bother now. I met two other chaps tonight who are going to stop recruiting any more people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.

Let us know what businesses you and the other "Chaps" are in and the state where you are located. There are quite a few people here who would like to know so we could invest in your competitors.

604 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:35:17am

re: #590 Barflytom

Shorter version of Barflytom...

Whaaaahhhh....Mommiieeee?

605 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:36:14am

re: #604 ghazidor

Shorter version of Barflytom...

Whaaaahhhh....Mommiieeee?

Short, short version of Barflytom:

DERP!

606 Amory Blaine  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:36:15am

re: #590 Barflytom

What a disaster !
No doubt all you lefties are pleased at Obama getting re-elected.
Good luck to you.
I'm sure all the people who live at the expense of others will do reasonably well for a few more years, but it won't last forever.
Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of my business, but I'm not going to bother now. I met two other chaps tonight who are going to stop recruiting any more people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.
It seems that turkeys really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas.

Good. Some other, better, businessman will take the business. Go cry in your kool aid you dumbfuck.

607 boredtechindenver  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:36:21am

re: #602 ghazidor

BTW, FNC has it at 303 to 206 not 306 to 203 if that helps any...

yeah, numeric dyslexia. It makes it fun when I am troubleshooting issues while using IP addresses.

608 researchok  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:36:27am

Morning all- and congrats to the President the VP and their supporters.

609 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:36:58am

Ugh, Bachmann's lead just jumped to 2,600 with 90%. Looks like that dream might die.....though still a sliver of hope.

610 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:37:52am

re: #609 JamesWI

Ugh, Bachmann's lead just jumped to 2,600 with 90%. Looks like that dream might die.....though still a sliver of hope.

Can't win em all man. Who knows maybe she does something real stupid like challenge Franken for the Senate in 2014.

611 Barflytom  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:39:38am

re: #594 freetoken

You've probably not read a damn thing some of us have written here tonight.

Well you're right about that. What would be the point of reading what lefties have to say ?
The problem isn't just that Obama is a useless jerk - it's that "X" million people voted for him.
Sorry , your country is done for. I have a "plan B", although I'd much prefer to stay here.
I'm not getting any younger though, and I'm not going to invest another dime in a country that elects a jackass like Obama.

612 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:39:50am

re: #610 HappyBenghazi

Can't win em all man. Who knows maybe she does something real stupid like challenge Franken for the Senate in 2014.

I think even she is smart enough to know she'd get crushed in a statewide election in Minnesota, and I am not one to over-estimate Michelle Bachmann's intelligence.

Nah, I think her plans are probably to try to hold on to her House seat for the rest of her life. Because career politicians are only bad when they belong to the other party.

613 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:39:55am

re: #609 JamesWI

Ugh, Bachmann's lead just jumped to 2,600 with 90%. Looks like that dream might die.....though still a sliver of hope.

Kinda want her around for the 2016 primary debates.

614 Amory Blaine  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:40:12am

re: #611 Barflytom

GTFO

615 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:40:35am

re: #611 Barflytom

Well you're right about that. What would be the point of reading what lefties have to say ?
The problem isn't just that Obama is a useless jerk - it's that "X" million people voted for him.
Sorry , your country is done for. I have a "plan B", although I'd much prefer to stay here.
I'm not getting any younger though, and I'm not going to invest another dime in a country that elects a jackass like Obama.

Trust me....no one here (at this site, or in this country) will miss you.

616 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:42:49am

re: #611 Barflytom

You're a bitter old fool (or are playing one on the internet) who's probably made too many regrettable decisions and now is taking it out on others.

Go find something more useful to do in your remaining days.

617 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:44:05am

Shorter Barflytom

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618 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:44:56am

re: #590 Barflytom

What a disaster !
No doubt all you lefties are pleased at Obama getting re-elected.
Good luck to you.
I'm sure all the people who live at the expense of others will do reasonably well for a few more years, but it won't last forever.
Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of my business, but I'm not going to bother now. I met two other chaps tonight who are going to stop recruiting any more people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.
It seems that turkeys really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas.

Cry moar, oh Job Creator.

619 Amory Blaine  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:45:34am

Go Galt hot shot!!!

620 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:49:11am

re: #590 Barflytom

Slightly more serious reply...

What a disaster !
No doubt all you lefties are pleased at Obama getting re-elected.

Why yes, yes we are, thanks.

Good luck to you.

Thanks again.

I'm sure all the people who in my imagination live at the expense of others will do reasonably well for a few more years, but it won't last forever.

This is true, eventually you will die and wont be imagining such things any more.

Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of the business I have dreamt of starting for years, but I'm not going to bother now.

I know, reality sucks sometimes, but why don't you ask your parents for the money like Romney said you should?

I met two other chaps tonight who said that they have also dreamt up imaginary businesses and are going to stop recruiting any more dream people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.

It is your fantasy dude, don't let the man keep you down, don't let him control your daydreams of being important some day!

It seems that turkeys really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas.

Much better than voting for Thanksgiving isn't it?

621 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:49:57am

re: #590 Barflytom

What a disaster !
No doubt all you lefties are pleased at Obama getting re-elected.
Good luck to you.
I'm sure all the people who live at the expense of others will do reasonably well for a few more years, but it won't last forever.
Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of my business, but I'm not going to bother now. I met two other chaps tonight who are going to stop recruiting any more people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.
It seems that turkeys really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas.

Defeatist attitude. Obama gets elected and you thrown in the towel on your expansion. Nice business model you got there.

Obamacare got you down? I suppose paying for your employees' health insurance under pre-ACA and paying FICA now is too much, too.

622 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:51:39am

Meanwhile, in San Diego county, the mayors race for the city of San Diego looks to be very tight.

And, in the redrawn congressional district that has as incumbent Republican Bilbray the race is also very close. The Redistricting commission broke San Diego county into 5 regions - two very Democratic, two very Republican (being won handily by (car theif) Issa and by Hunter the lesser), and one district intentionally split evenly.

The split-evenly district looks like it was split very evenly, with only a difference of a few hundred votes now.

623 Barflytom  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:52:46am

re: #596 Ben G. Hazi

Now I know that you're talking out of your ass; if you really are a decent businessperson and business is good, would you really handicap yourself just so you can spite President Obama and libruls?

I'm guessing the only business dealings you are involved in involve Jack and shit...and Jack left town.

No. The issue is that I might have to deal with some arbitrary regulation from the EPA, just for one example. Also, if the economy is going to get worse in a year or two, then I don't feel like making a commitment here.
And it's not that my little enterprise is that important, but multiply that by a factor of about a million, and you'll see why there will be very little new job creation in the next four years.
I still like this country, and I would still visit here whoever was president.
You can also say the same about Greece though - nice place for a vacation, but why would you do business there ?

624 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:53:01am

92% reporting and Bachmann now has a 2,600 vote lead. (AP)

625 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:54:33am

re: #611 Barflytom

Well you're right about that. What would be the point of reading what lefties have to say ?
The problem isn't just that Obama is a useless jerk - it's that "X" million people voted for him.
Sorry , your country is done for. I have a "plan B", although I'd much prefer to stay here.
I'm not getting any younger though, and I'm not going to invest another dime in a country that elects a jackass like Obama.

Bye-Bye, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

I hope you enjoyed your stay in America, well not really, I honestly don't give a fuck, but I'm trying to be polite here. :p

626 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:54:57am

re: #623 Barflytom

So there "might" be EPA regulations, and the economy might get worse, and on the basis of these two assumptions, you've decided not to expand your business.

Where are you from anyway?

627 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:58:16am

re: #626 wheat-dogghazi

So there "might" be EPA regulations, and the economy might get worse, and on the basis of these two assumptions, you've decided not to expand your business.

Where are you from anyway?

I believe he said he was from Wales. Apparently there, they teach you to run your business based on unfounded assumptions with no basis in reality.

628 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:59:35am

re: #626 wheat-dogghazi

So there "might" be EPA regulations, and the economy might get worse, and on the basis of these two assumptions, you've decided not to expand your business.

Where are you from anyway?

He is trying to add a UK tone but it doesn't ring true, or maybe he has just been here so long his typing/speech habits have become Americanized. Who cares?

629 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:59:48am

re: #627 JamesWI

I dunno. He's been a little coy about saying where he's from, exactly.

630 researchok  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:09:21am

re: #590 Barflytom

I'm center/center right and I will say without hesitation it is because of thinking like yours the GOP lost the election.

No, it wasn't Romney's fault- he isn't he devil incarnate and his Mormon faith had nothing to do with his loss.

He doesn't want to enslave black people and a lot of his economic policies make perfect sens (with apologies to many here//).

Romney lost because of people like you- the anti science, social bullies and religious nutbags who have come to have a disproportionate (and loud, empty) voice in American politics.

The government has no business in the bedrooms of the nation- not now or ever. Religion- every religion- has a voice in the public square- an equal voice.

Leave women alone. If you want to make abortion illegal, get ready for me to tell you what to do with your body and get ready to personally support the children of unwed mothers you claim to love so much.

The GOP will reclaim it's rightful place in the American political landscape when it earns it.

Talk about spending, talk about social programs talk about paying for health care talk about the military industrial complex, talk about foreign policy and foreign.

Just stay out of people's private lives and beliefs.

Romney lost the election because more people think like you and not like me.

You know, like real conservatives.

631 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:10:28am

That close Congressional race here in San Diego, with the Republican Bilbray listed as the incumbent - Bilbray is now up by 13 votes!

BRIAN BILBRAY
97844
50.00%
SCOTT PETERS
97831
50.00%

Who says a single person's vote doesn't count?

632 Barflytom  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:15:26am

re: #625 ghazidor

Bye-Bye, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

I hope you enjoyed your stay in America, well not really, I honestly don't give a fuck, but I'm trying to be polite here. :p

Whatever, as they say.
Perhaps you don't realise how over-regulated the USA already is in comparison with other countries. Not all of that is due to Obama, but it's only going to get worse if he's around for 4 more years.
Maybe he'll be a Titanic scale catastrophe, or maybe he'll just be a boating accident - I'm just not willing to risk any of my own money while I wait to find out.

633 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:19:02am

re: #630 researchok

You hit the nail on the head. BFT is for one thing a sore loser, even if it appears he's a foreign national and not entitled to vote here. I can't understand this attitude that, since Obama won, all is lost. It's a weird Manichean approach to life, and ultimately defeatist.

BFT's grudge seems to involve regulations, the ACA and other such measures that protect and benefit workers. If he's really dead set against all those complications, then maybe his plan B should be to move his operation (whatever it is) to China. No regulations, a dismally low minimum wage, no unions, no national health care system.

634 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:19:19am

re: #632 Barflytom

Perhaps you don't realise how over-regulated the USA already is in comparison with other countries.

If you're comparing us to say, China or India...then yes, we do have more regulations.

I, for one, am happy that we don't pay our workers slave wages and pollute our rivers until it becomes normal for them to run blood red.

But since a "businessman" such as yourself disagrees, I guess we have to scrap all of those regulations!

635 researchok  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:20:38am

And another thing- this election was about the economy. Were pretty screwed in that department.

Obama has had some successes, he's had some failures. He's had some good ideas and some bad ideas. He's trying to fix what is broken. Like you, me and everyone in here, he doesn't walk on water.

So why didn't Romney win if he is so much better on the economy (and I believe in many ways he is)?

Because despite wanting the economy fixed- and the American people are paying for generations of broken governments, Americans will put up with more economic crap if it means they will not have to lose the American identity- the identity far too many lunatics on the right want to change.

Some things are more important than money.

I have plenty of bones to pick with Obama's economic policies- but I'd rather be pissed off at what I think are bad policies than have to endure the America of Ralph Reed and Bryan Fischer.

636 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:20:51am

re: #632 Barflytom

What regulations are getting in your way, exactly? Did you know about them before you set up shop in the States?

637 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:20:59am

re: #632 Barflytom

Whatever, as they say.
Perhaps you don't realise how over-regulated the USA already is in comparison with other countries. Not all of that is due to Obama, but it's only going to get worse if he's around for 4 more years.
Maybe he'll be a Titanic scale catastrophe, or maybe he'll just be a boating accident - I'm just not willing to risk any of my own money while I wait to find out.

Hahahahahaha....just like the lying commercials.

"Did you know that there are over 467 bajillion regulations in the pipeline right now, regulations that will destroy American small businesses?"

638 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:21:58am

re: #632 Barflytom

Not all of that is due to Obama, but it's only going to get worse if he's around for 4 more years.

And nevermind that this pretty much runs counter to even the most pessimistic forecasts by economists and business leaders.

But don't let pesky things like that get in the way of your tears. We're really going to miss those imaginary jobs you're not creating.

639 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:22:13am

Obama has been so bad for business. That's why the markets are up and unemployment is down. Yup.

640 Amory Blaine  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:22:46am

ODS

641 Barflytom  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:22:56am

re: #626 wheat-dogghazi

So there "might" be EPA regulations, and the economy might get worse, and on the basis of these two assumptions, you've decided not to expand your business.

Where are you from anyway?

The "might" is the problem.
Obama seems to like imposing arbitrary regulations, and the federal gubmint seems to enjoy elbowing in to issues which should be left to state or local government.

642 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:24:17am

re: #641 Barflytom

The "might" is the problem.
Obama seems to like imposing arbitrary regulations, and the federal gubmint seems to enjoy elbowing in to issues which should be left to state or local government.

So if the state or local government put in those regulations instead of the federal government, you'd be perfectly happy and you'd go back to creating those imaginary jobs at your fantasy business?

643 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:24:54am

re: #641 Barflytom

Care to offer some specific examples?

There might be an asteroid collision next year. Or a major flu epidemic. Or I might get hit by a bus crossing the street. So, I should stop planning my future now because of "mights"?

Are you man or mouse?

644 researchok  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:26:17am

re: #633 wheat-dogghazi

Look, I have plenty of problems with over reaching agendized regulations but that isn't the problem.

The issue is far more fundamental- we are a nation of diverse people and ideas. The government has no business monitoring those choices or making them for us.

That cannot change.

645 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:26:59am

Bachmann up by 1866 with 93.2% votes in. (AP)

646 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:29:08am

re: #644 researchok

No argument there. The government has no business meddling with matters that are personal, sexual or religious, unless these matters affect the public at large. Vaccinations, for example.

I'd like BFT to specify which regs are in his way, or might be in his way.

647 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:29:34am

re: #645 wheat-dogghazi

Bachmann up by 1866 with 93.2% votes in. (AP)

CNN has it at 97%, lead back up to 2,600. Don't know what the recount rules are in Minnesota. That lead would be less than 1% but looks like it would be just a little more than 0.5%

648 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:32:27am

re: #641 Barflytom

The "might" is the problem.
Obama seems to like imposing arbitrary regulations, and the federal gubmint seems to enjoy elbowing in to issues which should be left to state or local government.

I know, who knew we were electing a President whose hobby was writing regulations for small business in his spare time? He has personally written thousands of them in the last four years and then spends all his time trying to get them enacted by Congress instead of concentrating on fixing the economy or directing disaster relief after hurricanes.

He is really a cruel bastard when it comes to small business, thats just how he is.

///

649 Amory Blaine  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:32:52am

Bachmann is a good spokesperson for her party.

650 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:33:16am

re: #649 Amory Blaine

Bachmann is a good spokesperson for her party.

Sad to say, it's true.

651 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:35:18am

re: #647 JamesWI

Roger that

652 Barflytom  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:36:55am

re: #630 researchok

I'm center/center right and I will say without hesitation it is because of thinking like yours the GOP lost the election.
......
Romney lost because of people like you- the anti science, social bullies and religious nutbags who have come to have a disproportionate (and loud, empty) voice in American politics.

Hmm.. well since I only go to church for weddings and funerals, tend not to bully people into doing what they don't want to do, and attend quite a few tech/science conferences, I'm not sure that I'm personally responsible for the GOP debacle this time.

If there's any one reason for BHO winning again, my view is that it's the general failure of the media to explain just how dire the financial situation of this country is.
Another reason is the failure to report on just what a dishonest, mendacious phony Obama is.

653 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:39:17am

re: #652 Barflytom

Another reason is the failure to report on just what a dishonest, mendacious phony Obama is.

And Romney wasn't?

So, specifics? You're complaining about hypothetical regulations, but haven't told us what they might be. Now, you're saying Obama is a phony and dishonest. How? Details. Put up or shut up.

654 iossarian  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:40:13am

re: #652 Barflytom

If there's any one reason for BHO winning again, my view is that it's the general failure of the media to explain just how dire the financial situation of this country is.

DJI +133

Another reason is the failure to report on just what a dishonest, mendacious phony Obama is.

Examples please.

655 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:43:10am

Obama's popular vote lead now over 2 million, percentage-wise it's at 50-48.

538 model - 50.8% - 48.3%

656 Amory Blaine  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:44:47am

You should just go post at freeper or twitchy. Why are you shitting on Obamas win here?

657 iossarian  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:46:40am

re: #656 Amory Blaine

You should just go post at freeper or twitchy. Why are you shitting on Obamas win here?

Dissenting views are OK but nonsense of the "Obama is a phony" kind is just there to be laughed at.

Would be interesting to have a real discussion on whether the economy is improving (as most indicators suggest) and whether Obama's fiscal plans will begin to bear fruit in the second term (I think they will) but not really expecting anything sane from the right for a week or so, minimum.

658 researchok  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:47:06am

re: #652 Barflytom

Great- you are an exceptional human being.

Unfortunately, you are in the minority in the GOP sphere.

Obama has been exceptional on national security. When push came to shove, he kept what was working- from Guantanamo to the Patriot Act which pissed off is base.

He has had, as noted, both successes and failures on the economic front (and I will repeat- he doesn't walk on water.Unlike you, he isn't perfect).He has to work with a broken Congress (both Republicans and Democrats) which has become a monument to self serving mediocrity. And make no mistake, had Romney been elected he'd have the same bunch of losers to deal with.

The GOP is far from having the solutions the country needs.

They are way ahead in solutions the country does not need.
As long the party panders to the nut jobs, they will be cheering from the sidelines.

659 Amory Blaine  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:48:28am

re: #657 iossarian

He's not a dissenting voice, he's talking about not hiring people out of spite and other nonsense.

660 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:51:37am

re: #652 Barflytom

Hmm.. well since I only go to church for weddings and funerals, tend not to bully people into doing what they don't want to do, and attend quite a few tech/science conferences, I'm not sure that I'm personally responsible for the GOP debacle this time.

If there's any one reason for BHO winning again, my view is that it's the general failure of the media to explain just how dire the financial situation of this country is.
Another reason is the failure to report on just what a dishonest, mendacious phony Obama is.

You egotistically assume that no one else sees that the current government spending model is unsustainable in the long run. You also wrongly assume that we are too stupid and misinformed to have made an informed decision while knowing that change is not only needed but necessary.

The glaring flaw in your assumption is in thinking that Romney offered us anything that would alter the equation. Maybe you bought into his empty promises and "5 point plans" with no details, but we didn't. Romney was a empty and disingenuous suit who was willing to promise anything to anyone often contradicting himself within hours of a previous statement.

We didn't vote for Romney because he had no convictions, he had no plan, and he had no solution. Romney only stood for further restriction of our social freedoms and the ascendency of the religious zealots. Not the repair of the fundamentals of our financial system.

Romney was a lying puppet for the GOP who has promised fiscal responsibility for three decades and then spent like drunken sailors once in office, not to mention starting unnecessary wars. Fuck them and fuck romney, if your dumb enough to fall for another round of their empty promises that is your problem. It certainly isn't mine.

661 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:53:02am

One election result I find funny:

Oregon voted against legalizing marijuana by a larger margin than Arkansas voted against medical marijuana.

I wouldn't have been able to predict that one!

662 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:53:40am

re: #655 JamesWI

Obama's popular vote lead now over 2 million, percentage-wise it's at 50-48.

538 model - 50.8% - 48.3%

Sam Wang's final popular vote meta margin was Obama +2.46. Amazing how close both of them were.

Hopefully this year marks the end of Gallup and Rasmussen's national polls being taken seriously.

663 iossarian  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:54:38am

re: #659 Amory Blaine

He's not a dissenting voice, he's talking about not hiring people out of spite and other nonsense.

Yeah - I agree with you. I was trying to coax a sane argument out of him but I don't expect much, at this point in time especially.

664 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:58:02am

re: #663 iossarian

Yeah - I agree with you. I was trying to coax a sane argument out of him but I don't expect much, at this point in time especially.

I don't recall BFT ever offering a sane argument. Mostly, he repeats RWNJ talking points without adding any substance to the argument.

665 researchok  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:58:33am

re: #660 ghazidor

I don't agree with the entire assessment of Romney but you raise some good points.

The fact is, the economy is fluid- it responds to everything from weather to market psychology (behavioral economics(.

Both Obama are offering ideas that may or may not work- and the measure of each is in how quickly they can adjust if the ideas don't work.

So far, Obama is proving he can- and will- adjust his ideas.

Romney's failing is that his voter base wants him to commit to an ideology. Obama won't make that same mistake.

666 Barflytom  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:59:36am

re: #643 wheat-dogghazi

Care to offer some specific examples?

There might be an asteroid collision next year. Or a major flu epidemic. Or I might get hit by a bus crossing the street. So, I should stop planning my future now because of "mights"?

Are you man or mouse?

If I could offer a specific example, I'd be less concerned.
One rather general example, which goes back a couple of years, is a weekly newsletter I get emailed from a trade publication. The content is usually new product announcements or trade show schedules. I received one a while back with the headline "Emerging Regulatory Threats".
One issue for me is that the buggers might introduce some new rule which defines basically harmless products as being "toxic", with all the associated costs and inconvenience of handling them.
A more general concern is that this country has extremely harsh laws and penalties for "crimes" which should only be civil matters, and which are enforced rather arbitrarily. There's a book titled "Three Felonies a Day" which you lefties might benefit from reading. ( Haven't read it myself, but the basic point of the book is something I'm quite familiar with ).
The problem with having an anti-business jackass like Obama in charge of the executive branch of the government is the broad discretionary powers of all the agencies he controls. I just don't feel like painting a target on my back with "Small business owning sucker" written across it, and then waiting to see what the buggers try to extort from me.

667 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:59:46am

Getting back to that close Congressional race here in San Diego county:


SCOTT PETERS
100688
50.08%
BRIAN BILBRAY
100367
49.92%


That's with 95.4% of the precincts counted.

The redistricting commission succeeded in their goal to create a 50/50 split district.

Bilbray isn't the wingnuttiest of Republicans, but he is clearly one of the partisan hacks, e.g.:

Congressman Bilbray has voted to preserve and protect Medicare, while Peters has repeatedly stated that he supports a government-run healthcare, which would cut Medicare by more than $700 billion.

If he loses it will be one of the few choice victories for the Dems wrt the House.

668 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:00:38am

Damn, race called for Bachmann, latest margin pushes it out of recount territory.

I dared to dream.....

669 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:02:29am

re: #668 JamesWI

It's amazing isn't it, that so many Minnesotans would vote for one of the demonstrably bat-shit crazy, and deceitful, Representatives out there.

But remember, half the people around you believe the world is only 6000 years old.

670 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:04:41am

BTW, Bilbray's district includes the Romney's beach front villa in La Jolla:

[Link: bilbrayforcongress.com...]

I think this election proves what 2008 indicated - San Diego county is no longer reliable Republican territory. Both Obama and Feinstein won easily here.

671 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:07:05am

re: #666 Barflytom

Kind of dodging the question, there. You're still not offering any specifics. "Emerging regulatory threats" and products that might be declared toxic are still hypotheticals. I was rather hoping for one or two specific regulations that you find unconscionable.

I'm not familiar with the book you mention, but you are aware (I hope) that the president doesn't make the laws in the States. That's Congress' job. If you have complaints about the American criminal code, then you might at least direct your animosity toward the knuckleheads that create the legislation.

Again, you claim Obama is anti-business without offering specific examples of what he has done to hurt your operations. Seems like if you are really up in arms about it, you could just rattle off one or two examples.

672 iossarian  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:08:09am

re: #666 Barflytom

One issue for me is that the buggers might introduce some new rule which defines basically harmless products as being "toxic", with all the associated costs and inconvenience of handling them.

Is there an actual bill here, with some specific content, that we could look at? Because to be honest this just sounds like scaremongering. If I were to say: "Don't vote Republican because they're planning to bring in legislation that will put poor people in workhouses and start an endless war with the Middle East," you'd want proof and rightly so.

A more general concern is that this country has extremely harsh laws and penalties for "crimes" which should only be civil matters, and which are enforced rather arbitrarily. There's a book titled "Three Felonies a Day" which you lefties might benefit from reading. ( Haven't read it myself, but the basic point of the book is something I'm quite familiar with ).

In my experience, harsh penalties for misdemeanors are a Republican standby. The war on drugs? Remember that? If this is a problem for you, you may be voting for the wrong side.

The problem with having an anti-business jackass like Obama in charge of the executive branch of the government is the broad discretionary powers of all the agencies he controls. I just don't feel like painting a target on my back with "Small business owning sucker" written across it, and then waiting to see what the buggers try to extort from me.

Please, please, please give examples of what Obama has done that is "anti-business".

673 Barflytom  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:08:59am

re: #658 researchok

Great- you are an exceptional human being.

Unfortunately, you are in the minority in the GOP sphere.

Obama has been exceptional on national security. When push came to shove, he kept what was working- from Guantanamo to the Patriot Act which pissed off is base.

Yeah, it's nice to be exceptional like me and Barry.
Perhaps you noticed that he campaigned (in '08) on closing Guantanamo, without ever explaining what he had as a better idea.
Being the exceptional sort of chap that I am, I could have told him years ago that there really wasn't a better alternative. If you can name any other president whose rhetoric was so far removed from reality as ol' big ears, I'll buy you a beer.

674 researchok  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:11:56am

re: #673 Barflytom

You made my point- he did the right thing and kept GB open.

When presented with all the facts (information we don't have) he bucked his base and did what he had to do..

He isn't as big an ideologue as he is made out to be (much to the consternation of the far left)

675 Amory Blaine  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:13:28am
676 iossarian  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:13:33am

re: #673 Barflytom

DIDN'T CLOSE GITMO!!!

Jeez.

Is that all?

'cause on the other side of the ledger, there's:

- Saved the auto industry
- Healthcare for all (steps towards)
- Repealed DADT
- Lily Ledbetter

etc. etc.

Obama's not perfect but then few people are. He's a lot better than the goons on the other side of the aisle.

677 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:15:55am

re: #673 Barflytom

Yeah, it's nice to be exceptional like me and Barry.
Perhaps you noticed that he campaigned (in '08) on closing Guantanamo, without ever explaining what he had as a better idea.
Being the exceptional sort of chap that I am, I could have told him years ago that there really wasn't a better alternative. If you can name any other president whose rhetoric was so far removed from reality as ol' big ears, I'll buy you a beer.

Back to the empty talking points I see...

Obama tried to close gitmo but was blocked, first by lawsuits in the states prisoners would have been moved to and then by congress that banned the detainees being transferred to U.S. soil. He did try to close it, but a president is not a king and cannot just do whatever he wants.

What is "removed from reality" about the detainees being in a super max prison here in the country? Please inform me of your great wisdom on this?

678 Barflytom  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:21:29am

re: #671 wheat-dogghazi

I'm not familiar with the book you mention, but you are aware (I hope) that the president doesn't make the laws in the States. That's Congress' job. If you have complaints about the American criminal code, then you might at least direct your animosity toward the knuckleheads that create the legislation.

"Laws" aren't the problem, it's the very broad discretionary powers that agencies like the EPA are given. Try looking up what us right-wing nutters describe as the "administrative state".
Obamacare is the perfect example; a lot of the wording consists of phrases like "the secretary shall..", and then go on to give a presidential appointee huge discretionary powers. One example being waivers from some of the requirements of Obamacare. If the government has the power to grant waivers, it also has the power to withhold waivers - in other words, it can arbitrarily impose costs on a private business, or exempt a private business from those costs.

679 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:27:32am

re: #678 Barflytom

"Laws" aren't the problem, it's the very broad discretionary powers that agencies like the EPA are given. Try looking up what us right-wing nutters describe as the "administrative state".
Obamacare is the perfect example; a lot of the wording consists of phrases like "the secretary shall..", and then go on to give a presidential appointee huge discretionary powers. One example being waivers from some of the requirements of Obamacare. If the government has the power to grant waivers, it also has the power to withhold waivers - in other words, it can arbitrarily impose costs on a private business, or exempt a private business from those costs.

So once again this is all about something that "maybe could possibly" happen and not an actual current complaint. Right...I'm sure they will get right on to persecuting you, just for fun, just as soon as they have seized all the guns and locked up all the Christians in the FEMA camps. I imagine they will be rather busy with that to start the new term out, but I'm sure they will get to you eventually.

680 [deleted]  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:28:49am
681 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:29:52am

re: #678 Barflytom

The book, AFAIK, is about felonies -- the criminal code -- not regulatory matters. So, why bring it up, if it doesn't support your position?

And, again, you are still complaining about hypotheticals, and not yet offered one specific example of a regulation hurting your business, or business-to-be.

You know, we're not forcing you to stay here. If you don't like doing business in the States, then quit bitching about it and move on. But businessmen have been complaining about government regulations for decades. I heard the same complaints you have spouted 30 years ago or more. How long have you been doing business here? And how much due diligence did you do before you came to our fair land, mired as it is in over-regulation and despotic presidencies?

682 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:36:10am

re: #681 wheat-dogghazi

He doesn't seem to understand that the regulatory powers of the administration are granted to them by congress through legislation. Which is a pretty basic concept.

683 iossarian  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:38:01am

re: #680 Barflytom

- Saved the UAW from the consequences of their own greed and irresponsibility.

The unions decided to put all their eggs in the SUV market and then crash the world economy? Who knew?

- Set the country on the way to NHS style waiting lists and higher death rates.

I've been treated on the NHS and it is very similar to the U.S. system (and obviously far better in the sense that it covers everyone and doesn't bankrupt you if you get cancer). Higher death rates is a myth: Americans have worse outcomes on a broad range of health indicators than Europeans.

- Got the military stuck with an even worse situation with regard to buggers in battledress.

Small-minded bigotry. Sad, but a declining force in U.S. politics, thankfully. 50 years ago you'd have been complaining about black men marrying white girls.

- I'm lost on this one. Charity for employment law attorneys perhaps ?

Obviously you'd be cool with being paid half as much as your peers just for being called "Tom".

684 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:39:00am

re: #682 Obdicut

But, Obama is evil. So there.

//

685 Barflytom  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:43:03am

re: #679 ghazidor

So once again this is all about something that "maybe could possibly" happen and not an actual current complaint. Right...I'm sure they will get right on to persecuting you, just for fun, just as soon as they have seized all the guns and locked up all the Christians in the FEMA camps. I imagine they will be rather busy with that to start the new term out, but I'm sure they will get to you eventually.

You miss the point, as many of you lefties do.
If you increase the risks or costs of doing business of any kind, you decrease the number of people who are willing to try some new venture.
Have you noticed how much the prices of, for example, classic cars have gone up in the last few years ? If someone with money to spare has a choice between investing in a business venture where he has a small, but not insignificant chance of being sued for all he's got, or buying an old Ferrari which has a good chance of appreciating, what's he gonna do ?
It depends on the circumstances and ambitions of the individual of course, but I know of a lot of people who've gone for buying a nice toy or artwork, rather than risking money in a business which might be sued or regulated out of existence.

686 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:43:40am

re: #680 Barflytom

Gay people have been fighting for their country since the beginning of time. Shame that you can't muster the slightest bit of respect for those veterans. Unsurprising, but a shame.

687 iossarian  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:45:20am

re: #685 Barflytom

Have you noticed how much the prices of, for example, classic cars have gone up in the last few years ? If someone with money to spare has a choice between investing in a business venture where he has a small, but not insignificant chance of being sued for all he's got, or buying an old Ferrari which has a good chance of appreciating, what's he gonna do ?

ROFL.

THE PRICE OF CLASSIC CARS HAS GONE UP! SOCIALISM!

I bet classic cars were a hot market in 1970s Stalingrad.

688 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:46:41am

re: #685 Barflytom

If someone with money to spare has a choice between investing in a business venture where he has a small, but not insignificant chance of being sued for all he's got, or buying an old Ferrari which has a good chance of appreciating, what's he gonna do ?

Good news: The formation of a corporate structure limits your personal liability in lawsuits.

Can you explain why anyone has ever invested in business, given that you've been able to sue people for torts since before the foundation of this country?

689 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:48:43am

re: #685 Barflytom

OK, your logic, such as it is, has completely lost me. You are saying that the possibility of regulations or lawsuits has some rich guys so worried that they will sooner buy a classic car than expand or start a new business?

Well, if that's their opinion, they can do what they like. It just means not-so-rich guys can fill the void left by those nervous nellies.

Investing in artwork and classic cars is not quite the same thing as having a business plan, you know. It's actually possible to do both, in fact.

690 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:49:54am

By the way, Ferraris don't really appreciate in value.

691 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:49:58am

re: #685 Barflytom

Old collectibles are by definition valuable because they aren't made anymore, and are slowly returning to the dust from which they came. And, according to good capitalist theory, the value of the object is determined by supply and demand, which often changes for collectibles according to "fashion".

That's why your whole approach is flawed, btw. All things die or degenerate, and it always takes a new person or new generation to accomplish anything. Nothing is static.

Risks of doing business can decrease with government regulation, if regulations can decrease predatory practices, organized extortion, risks of conflict, unpriced costs that otherwise become socialized, etc. You seem to ignore all of that about society and governance.

692 iossarian  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:50:58am

re: #690 Obdicut

By the way, Ferraris don't really appreciate in value.

NOW you tell me.

*starts searching "ebay classic car sales"*

On that note I actually do have to do something productive. Laters all.

693 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:51:26am

re: #685 Barflytom

You miss the point, as many of you lefties do.
If you increase the risks or costs of doing business of any kind, you decrease the number of people who are willing to try some new venture.

Which explains how Google, Yahoo, Netflix, FedEx, Apple and Microsoft, among others, never got off the ground.

694 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:57:42am

re: #692 iossarian

NOW you tell me.

I thought it was common knowledge. The price of used cars-- except cars with some significance, like a Shelby-- decreases over time. A 1986 Ferrari Testarossa cost a bit over a hundred K when it was new-- not sure if that's inflation-adjusted dollars or not. Now you can snag them from between 35 and 80K, depending on condition.

Maybe BFT is mocking himself and the economic ignorance of others like him? I mean, using cars as an example of something that appreciates value, pretending to not understand that regulatory powers of the executive comes from legislation made by congress-- it's a pretty effective parody of right-wing economic positions, but Poe's Law applies.

695 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:57:53am

Some results, such as that San Diego congressional race, may remain up in the air for some time:

During each election cycle, hundreds of thousands of ballots are not counted on Election Day. Elections officials have approximately one month to complete their extensive tallying and certification work (known as the official canvass). Most notably, voting by mail has increased significantly in recent years and many vote-by-mail ballots arrive on Election Day. In processing vote-by-mail ballots, elections officials must confirm each voter’s registration status, verify each voter’s signature on the vote-by-mail envelope, and ensure each person did not vote elsewhere in the same election.

Other ballots that are processed after Election Day include provisional ballots (processed similar to vote-by-mail ballots), and ballots that are damaged or cannot be machine-read and must be remade by elections officials.

[...]

Right now, in California, Obama's totals are much lower than they were in 2008, and that is with 85% of the precinct's "partially" reporting.

Either turnout was low, or there are a lot of mail ballots yet to be counted.

696 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:58:42am

re: #695 freetoken

There are ballots left to be counted in California. A shitload of them. I think there's a lack of urgency every election, since it never is, y'know, exciting, really.

697 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:59:28am

In 2008 President Obama go 8,274,473 votes in California.

Right now he's sitting at 4,909,684.

re: #696 Obdicut

Well, they've got till Dec. 7th to finish counting.

698 Barflytom  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:59:43am

re: #682 Obdicut

He doesn't seem to understand that the regulatory powers of the administration are granted to them by congress through legislation. Which is a pretty basic concept.

Wow, you do come up with some profound observations, don't you.

I did mention the wording of the Obamacare act in #678, FWIW.

One of the many tedious habits of you lefties is assuming that us right wing cavemen can't grasp even the most basic principles of how the government functions.

I've noticed that you and engineer cat/dog, among others, need to have even the most simple references spelt out to you.

Try getting out more, and see if you can lose your rather condescending attitude towards people who disagree with your childish worldview.

I'm off now - please don't bother replying.

699 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:01:31am

re: #698 Barflytom

One of the many tedious habits of you lefties is assuming that us right wing cavemen can't grasp even the most basic principles of how the government functions.

Like not being able to understand that the regulatory functions of the government, and the funds to pay for them, originate in legislation?

Try getting out more, and see if you can lose your rather condescending attitude towards people who disagree with your childish worldview.

See, this is great parody. Castigating someone else for being condescending while calling them childish? I mean, someone couldn't actually type that out without realizing how stupidly hypocritical it made them look, could they?

Yeah, I know, they could.

700 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:01:33am

Flounce.

701 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:10:05am

re: #700 wheat-dogghazi

Flounce.

We can only hope!

702 Barflytom  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:10:59am

re: #694 Obdicut

I thought it was common knowledge. The price of used cars-- except cars with some significance, like a Shelby-- decreases over time. A 1986 Ferrari Testarossa cost a bit over a hundred K when it was new-- not sure if that's inflation-adjusted dollars or not. Now you can snag them from between 35 and 80K, depending on condition.

Maybe BFT is mocking himself and the economic ignorance of others like him? I mean, using cars as an example of something that appreciates value, pretending to not understand that regulatory powers of the executive comes from legislation made by congress-- it's a pretty effective parody of right-wing economic positions, but Poe's Law applies.

I just caught your comment as I was flouncing off to the early morning bar.
Try looking up the value of a 275GTB4 over the last decade or so, or a 1950's Testarossa, which isn't quite the same thing as the Miami vice one.
( Not that you could afford any of them ! ). Goodnight.

703 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:14:36am

re: #701 Dancing along the light of day

Except that last one. Like Sinatra's retirement concerts.

704 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:18:09am

And so it begins, the deconstruction of the Romney campaign.

And the Germans are first:


How Romney Sabotaged His Own Campaign

[...]

So, what caused the defeat? Was it the multiple slip-ups and gaffes that Romney stoically shrugged off? Was it the millions that Obama's strategists pumped into TV ads depicting Romney as a coldhearted capitalist? Was it the threat to Big Bird, the "binders full of women" or his consistently wooden appearances?

When all is said and done, there is only one person who deserves the lion's share of the blame: Mitt Romney. For months, Romney continued to change his stances to the point that voters ultimately had no idea who the "real" Romney was. It wasn't until the very end that Romney dared to be his putative self again. But it was too late. Even Massachusetts, the state that Romney served as governor for four years, would ultimately turn its back on him.

[...]

705 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:23:26am

We haven't even talked about the state legislatures.

In Indiana the state assembly now has more than a 2/3rds majority in the hands of the GOP, meaning that the Democrats are irrelevant in law making there. If the Dems try a "walk out" like before it won't matter because the GOP will have all the quorums it will ever need.

The Dems did surprisingly pick up the State Superintendent of Schools in Indiana, though:

[Link: www.courierpress.com...]

706 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:25:02am

In Iowa, the Democrats are clinging to the tiniest of margins to keep the state government from falling totally into GOP hands:

Gronstal re-elected to Iowa Senate; balance of power remains unclear

707 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:25:37am

re: #705 freetoken

Sad about the Indiana legislature. I lived in southern Indiana for a while. It's still my voting location as an ex-pat, but I can only vote in federal races.

I wonder how the Democratic school super will manage with the GOP in office.

708 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:26:53am

Wait--Alan West lost too?

[Link: elections.msnbc.msn.com...]

Is West demanding a recount or something? 100% of votes in, Murphy ahead by 3000 votes. Why isn't he declared the winner?

Unfortunately it looks like Bachmann held on, but by the skin of her teeth.

709 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:29:07am

re: #707 wheat-dogghazi

The news report indicates that her GOP opponent was just too wingnutty even for the hoosier state. But yes, she will probably feel pretty lonely.

re: #708 funky chicken

Probably the same issue here in California - there are too many provisional ballots waiting to be counted.

The final House count won't be known for a month or so.

710 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:32:25am

I'll note just one more thing before I go - Obama had pretty small coattails tonight.

It looks like the Dems will move their House share from 193 to around 200 or so. A gain of only 7.

Yes, the Dems gained three Senate seats (counting Maine's independent who claims he's going to caucus with whoever treats him the best.) At least two of those were gifts from the Republicans, due to their very theocratic deafness to the theodicy problem.

711 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:34:45am

re: #702 Barflytom

I just caught your comment as I was flouncing off to the early morning bar.
Try looking up the value of a 275GTB4 over the last decade or so, or a 1950's Testarossa, which isn't quite the same thing as the Miami vice one.
( Not that you could afford any of them ! ). Goodnight.

The Testarossa entered production in 1984. You mean a Ferrari Testa Rossa, or TR. And their price is because only a tiny number were ever built. So you can't really decide to invest in one easily-- the market is pretty frigid, which is why they sell for so much.

I notice you never got around to explaining why anyone has ever invested in a business, given you've always had the risk of losing it all to a lawsuit. I'm sure you could do a good parody there too; give it a shot.

712 funky chicken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:35:02am

re: #685 Barflytom

You miss the point, as many of you lefties do.
If you increase the risks or costs of doing business of any kind, you decrease the number of people who are willing to try some new venture.
Have you noticed how much the prices of, for example, classic cars have gone up in the last few years ? If someone with money to spare has a choice between investing in a business venture where he has a small, but not insignificant chance of being sued for all he's got, or buying an old Ferrari which has a good chance of appreciating, what's he gonna do ?
It depends on the circumstances and ambitions of the individual of course, but I know of a lot of people who've gone for buying a nice toy or artwork, rather than risking money in a business which might be sued or regulated out of existence.

Gee, let's see if I can understand your point. The Bush tax cuts encouraged "job creators" to buy themselves expensive automotive toys rather than putting profits back into their businesses. Was it the Bush tax cuts or the roadblocks to regulation and cutbacks in agencies like the FDA that caused NECC's owners to put out contaminated products from a filthy facility?

713 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:35:30am

re: #710 freetoken

Ya gotta factor in the redistricting, though. It's actually impressive that the Democrats gained anything in the House in the light of that.

714 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:36:21am

re: #711 Obdicut

Don't hold your breathe, Obdi. BFT dropped off his talking points and skedaddled out, confident that he has won the debate.

715 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:39:50am

re: #714 wheat-dogghazi

Don't hold your breathe, Obdi. BFT dropped off his talking points and skedaddled out, confident that he has won the debate.

I honestly think he might be a parody account. The bit about flouncing off to a morning bar? I mean, he gets basic facts of government wrong, asserts that nobody will start a business if it means the business can get sued, and he thinks you can just find rare vintage cars at will and buy them?

716 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:45:35am

re: #715 Obdicut

Could be. Trouble is, I've encountered others like him when debating evolution and AGW. They refuse to address specific questions, or offer concrete evidence to support their talking points. Either he's a really good Poe, or a true believer.

717 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:11:49am

The DERP meltdown is so delicious.


718 steve_davis  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:18:04am

re: #71 SteveMcG

What the hell happened with Donald Trump. Chuck Todd had himself a chuckle but the other guys let it drop, but I can tell something weird happened.

He called for rebellion during a time of war. He was executed this morning.

719 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:18:57am

Bridge Troll Matty Moroun got bitchslapped.

All the Michigan proposals went down in flames, including collective bargaining and sustainable energy.

720 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:22:15am

"That'd be like if Southerners voted for..." and then the wingnut with the Mel Gibson avatar used up his 140 char limit. Want to complete his thought?

If Southerners voted for Lincoln (too easy)
If Southerners voted for Roosevelt!
If Southerners voted for a N[clang]!
If Southerners voted for Walt Disney!

721 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:22:48am

re: #719 Vicious Babushka

I need Prop 30 to pass in California. It is a patch, but it's the only way past the current budget insanity.

722 Flounder  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:28:20am

Dammit Ed, I'm not on the bottom 10 anymore!
Good morning!

723 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:32:55am

re: #702 Barflytom

Sad little wingnut. Can I send you an econ 101 textbook?

BTW, I'd take a D-type Jag over any of Enzo's over rated machines.

724 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:39:00am

So, were there any predictions that Nate Silver got wrong?

725 andres  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:39:05am

re: #694 Obdicut

I thought it was common knowledge. The price of used cars-- except cars with some significance, like a Shelby-- decreases over time. A 1986 Ferrari Testarossa cost a bit over a hundred K when it was new-- not sure if that's inflation-adjusted dollars or not. Now you can snag them from between 35 and 80K, depending on condition.

Maybe BFT is mocking himself and the economic ignorance of others like him? I mean, using cars as an example of something that appreciates value, pretending to not understand that regulatory powers of the executive comes from legislation made by congress-- it's a pretty effective parody of right-wing economic positions, but Poe's Law applies.

As always, there's an exception to the rule: Venezuela. But then, this is a very strange fringe case.

Edit: IOW, your point still stands.

726 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:48:31am

Had the overnight shift at work. Did I miss anything?
/
Good Morning Honcos.

727 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:50:11am

My favorite tweet so far:

728 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:53:10am

re: #727 Obdicut

My favorite tweet so far:

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He's passed Denial and is now into Anger:

729 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:54:03am

re: #727 Obdicut

My favorite tweet so far:

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I have a friend (we used to go to ALL sporting events together) who yesterday posted on FB that "this election has been a marathon, and in a marathon, you always bet on the Kenyan". He is a full blown Obama supporter. And funny/sarcastic like me.

730 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:56:29am

So I hear that Eastwood conceeded to his couch at 1:00 PST... ///

731 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:57:24am
Lets fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice! The world is laughing at us.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 7, 2012

Quite true, but not for the reasons you think.

732 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:57:53am

You know what I just thought of? I could tell all of you, "you suck dog balls!!" and I still couldn't make the bottom comments. Heh.

733 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:58:52am


Heh.

734 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:59:48am

re: #728 Vicious Babushka

I kinda hope that his open calls for revolution and marching on washington make him persona non grata again. It'd be cool if Romney said something like "by the way, that revolution stuff was dangerous bullshit and I condemn it".

735 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:00:41am

re: #732 Cannadian Club Akbar

You know what I just thought of? I could tell all of you, "you suck dog balls!!" and I still couldn't make the bottom comments. Heh.

Does that seem like something you're likely to do?

I saw a little yappy dog being taken for a walk yesterday, and it had a little coat on, and the coat was cut so basically it showcased the dog's balls, and all I'm saying is that's not right, man.

736 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:02:16am

re: #735 Obdicut

Doggie codpiece?

737 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:03:25am
738 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:04:45am
739 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:07:50am

re: #738 Obdicut

Somewhat relevant to Barflytom's line of thinking -- maybe Adelson ought to invest in classic cars instead of elections.

740 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:07:50am

re: #673 Barflytom

Yeah, it's nice to be exceptional like me and Barry.
Perhaps you noticed that he campaigned (in '08) on closing Guantanamo, without ever explaining what he had as a better idea.
Being the exceptional sort of chap that I am, I could have told him years ago that there really wasn't a better alternative. If you can name any other president whose rhetoric was so far removed from reality as ol' big ears, I'll buy you a beer.

Does your ass ever get sore pulling that much shit out of it constantly?

741 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:08:09am

re: #735 Obdicut

How big were these dog's balls if he's a little yappy fucker?

742 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:08:46am

Morning Lizardim. It's a great day to be an American. Not only did the right-wing hate machine get shut down in the Presidential and Senate elections, neither the anti-gay-marriage amendment nor the photo voter ID amendment passed here in the wild north country. I heard it on the radio this morning, they were both soundly defeated. It helps to make up for the fact that we're still saddled with Michelle Bachmann (R-Mars). Although at least Jim Graves put up a good fight.

743 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:08:51am

re: #734 Obdicut

I kinda hope that his open calls for revolution and marching on washington make him persona non grata again. It'd be cool if Romney said something like "by the way, that revolution stuff was dangerous bullshit and I condemn it".

I predict that by this afternoon he'll be back to Tweeting about his reality show and how bad the Yankees suck.

744 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:12:19am

re: #741 Cannadian Club Akbar

How big were these dog's balls if he's a little yappy fucker?

Surprisingly big.

745 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:13:17am

re: #744 Obdicut

Surprisingly big.

I have that on a Tee shirt.
/

746 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:14:35am

re: #745 Cannadian Club Akbar

With an arrow? ↓

747 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:18:04am

re: #746 wheat-dogghazi

With an arrow? ↓

It's on my personalized condoms. But only the "S" and the "G" is able to be read. Wait, what?
/

748 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:32:35am

re: #728 Vicious Babushka

He's passed Denial and is now into Anger:

Lets fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice! The world is laughing at us.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 7, 2012

No, not US Donny. Just at you.

749 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:32:53am

re: #747 Cannadian Club Akbar

It's on my personalized condoms. But only the "S" and the "G" is able to be read. Wait, what?
/

Sitting in the top drawer, ready, but never needed!!

750 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:33:08am

re: #747 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #749 sattv4u2

OH SNAP!

751 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:34:17am

re: #750 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

re: #749 sattv4u2

OH SNAP!

They don't snap. I need tacs. Whut....

752 Flounder  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:34:40am

Finished the marmalade jelly, now onto yummy apricot jelly.

753 Big Steve  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:35:30am

Well we have survived another election. While I didn't vote for him, President Obama is MY President and nothing would make me happier to see him have such a great second term that he would be a shoe-in to be added to Mt Rushmore. He will get a great chance in December with the so called fiscal cliff decision to work with all sides. Clearly not everyone who is unemployed is a deadbeat and not everyone who is making good money is the devil.

To the Republicans, I wish they collectively understand that you can no longer win national office getting only white religious males to vote for you. It is time for the party to embrace science, recenter its conservative values, and work with the President on occasion.

754 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:37:06am

I ate cake for breakfast.

755 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:38:41am

re: #754 Vicious Babushka

I ate cake for breakfast.

I'm having a cocktail, but this is my 11PM right now.

756 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:39:08am

re: #754 Vicious Babushka

I ate cake for breakfast.

The rabid squirrel sits by the park bench!

(oh,, sorry ,, I thought we were talking in code!!)

757 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:39:50am

re: #755 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm having a cocktail, but this is my 11PM right now.

At least you have something to put your personalized condom on!!

758 darthstar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:43:16am

Mornin' everyone. Happy day.

759 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:44:43am

re: #758 darthstar

Mornin' everyone. Happy day.

I thought it was Wednes Day ?!?!?

760 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:46:36am

morning Lizards. Has Texas seceded yet?

761 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:47:37am

re: #760 Only The Lurker Knows

morning Lizards. Has Texas seceded yet?

The day is still young. But I hear Donny Trump is hosting a revolution.

762 darthstar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:48:21am

Let the dismantling of the robot begin:

First, a pre-quel, published before any polls closed last night...The American Conservative

Finally: you didn’t like Romney that much either. So are you really surprised? The entire Republican primary was a search for a “Not-Romney” candidate. In fact, you probably once contemplated voting for Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain, or Rick Santorum precisely because Romney was a flip-flopper who invented Obamacare in Massachusetts. Just a year ago, my dear conservative friend, you were likely very much against the idea of Romney being your nominee. So how can you be surprised that other Americans never warmed to him as a choice for president?

Erickson:

Like when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object, we now know what happens when a candidate so weak anybody can beat him meets a candidate so weak he cannot beat anybody. Americans vote for the status quo. $6 billion later, Americans voted for the status quo. Karl Rove, call your donors.

That's not entirely true...Mitt Romney beat Michele Bachmann in the primaries...and Herman Cain...and Rick Perry...and Rick Santorum...and Ron Paul...and Newt Gingrich...combined, that's like beating Christine O'Donnell.

763 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:49:22am

re: #761 Eventual Carrion

The day is still young. But I hear Donny Trump is hosting a revolution.

Yeah, it's sitting on top of his head.

764 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:50:37am

re: #761 Eventual Carrion

The day is still young. But I hear Donny Trump is hosting financing a revolution.

Doesn't want any messy revolutionaries in his house.

765 darthstar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:51:40am
766 darthstar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:52:24am
767 Flounder  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:56:04am

So who are the biggest losers?
1 Rush
2 Willard
3 Bill Clintons former ??? I can't remember. D'oh!
I put Rush first, he is so far out of touch with the American voting population I'm not sure why I listen.

768 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:57:26am

I'm going to be unbearable for a while.

Not only did we get Florida, but the Panhandle county assigned to my Alabama regional OfA team turned in 70.1% Obama, the best result in Florida. We Built That.

[Link: elections.nytimes.com...]

769 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:57:56am

Election 2012 Results

Elected Positions
MAYOR
Hank Cobb (Republican - Incumbent) 74%
Senator (write-in candidate) 15%
Laurence Krout (Democrat) 10%

DISTRICT ATTORNEY
Prince Rogers Nelson (Libertarian - Incumbent) 64.5%
Flavius Olestra (Libertine) 24.3%
Yolo Chandelierium (Atheist String Theorist Party) 11%

MINE INSPECTOR
Ol' Huss (Coot Reform) 21.3%
Gil Harborough (Shaggy Butte Tea Party) 18%
Hunter Crane (Crime Island Syndicate) 10%
Jesse Crawford (Christian Board Gamers) 7.2%
Pete Loam (Libertarian) 6.7%
Wilbur Stack (Christian Prayer Warriors for Israel) 5.9%
Tanya Phillips (Mommy Bloggers United) 4.6%
Allister McGovern III (Titanic Survivors) 5.3%
Senator (write-in candidate) 4.2%
Greg Pollock (Aryan Brotherhood) 3.8%
Rex Dunwhip (God's Freedom Riders) 3.8%
Calhoun Manford (Eye of Ra Party) 2.7%
Leeland "Omega Child" Starborn (UFO Truth Party) 1.3%
Ol' Pete (Coot - Incumbent) .5%
Reginald Dalton (Proud Bedwetters) .2%

Note: Due to a clerical error that can only be corrected by the elected mine inspector, the position pays a salary of $722,000 per year.

770 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:59:08am
771 sattv4u2  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:00:37am

Now here's something you (thankfully) don't see every day

[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]
Man, 23, Arrested After Flashing His Breast Implants At Fellow Walmart Shoppers

772 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:01:50am

Off to walk the dog, and spread my blue blessings over my benighted red neighbors. BBL

773 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:14:35am

re: #772 Decatur Deb

Off to walk the dog, and spread my blue blessings over my benighted red neighbors. BBL

Pretty sure you're supposed to pick those up in most communities.

774 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:15:56am

Snap! xkcd tweaks the noses of math-denialist pundits: [Link: xkcd.com...]

BREAKING: To the surprise of pundits, numbers continue to be best system for determining which of two things is larger.

775 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:16:03am

Woke up to see Puerto Rico Statehood held at 61%.

I can't believe it.

776 iossarian  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:20:42am

re: #774 wheat-dogghazi

Snap! xkcd tweaks the noses of math-denialist pundits: [Link: xkcd.com...]

BREAKING: To the surprise of pundits, numbers continue to be best system for determining which of two things is larger.

Ha. I don't always dig xkcd but that's pretty apt.

Wonder if they had something else in the wings just in case, though.

777 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:20:49am

One of my favourite tweets around this election. I guess my only comment is that anything else would call for an entirely new business plan from most of today's media sources.

778 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:21:46am

re: #775 ProGunLiberal

Woke up to see Puerto Rico Statehood held at 61%.

I can't believe it.

Wow, that's phenomenal. Welcome to the crazy train, Puerto Rico.

779 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:22:36am

re: #776 iossarian

Knowing the xkcd guy, he probably ran his own numbers, just to be sure Nate Silver was right.

780 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:23:40am

re: #778 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Wow, that's phenomenal. Welcome to the crazy train, Puerto Rico.

They can take the place of Texas.

781 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:25:27am

Well. I believe my last words were, "Obama won."

And he did.

Morning in America.

782 darthstar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:26:19am
783 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:28:50am

re: #780 Vicious Babushka

They can take the place of Texas.

Apparently they elected the anti-statehood governor, though.

The future of the island's political status, however, also is dependent on who governs the island.

According to partial election results, pro-statehood Gov. Luis Fortuno was ousted by a razor thin margin by an opponent who supports the island's current political status.

With 96 percent of precincts reporting, challenger Alejandro Garcia Padilla with the Popular Democratic Party received 48 percent or 870,005 votes. Fortuno, a Republican and leader of the New Progressive Party, received 47 percent or 855,325 votes.

Fortuno has not issued comment, while Garcia celebrated what he called a victory.

"I can assure you we have rescued Puerto Rico," Garcia said. "This is a lesson to those who think that the well-being of Puerto Ricans should be subjected to ideologies."

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

784 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:30:32am

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

785 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:30:56am

This is the battle for the GOP in a nutshell. Excerpt from the Freepers:

Like a lot of Americans I prayed to God for a Romney victory, I humbly asked that the almighty help carry the day for all Americans by delivering us from President Obama and to help good Christians set this country right. Today I am vexed by the answer I got. I believe God is saying that the fight is not over, the road to change and salvation is a long one, don't give up, but I'm not sure any longer.

So I'll pray again today, this time I'll ask God, "Where Do I Go From Here?" and I'll listen close for an answer, I'll wait for a sign or a signal. Hope I get an answer soon.

What was that Einstein (attributed) quote on insanity again?>>>>

786 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:31:45am
787 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:33:38am

re: #785 Petero1818

I'll wait for a sign or a signal. Hope I get an answer soon.

Obama winning seems like a pretty clear sign to me. What does he want God to do, hit him in the head with a 2x4?

788 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:34:00am

The "good guys won"? Like Michelle Bachman?

[Link: www.myfoxal.com...]

(GREETINGS FROM PORTUGAL!)

789 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:34:16am

Good morning lizards!

Well congrats to Obama and the Dems. They won a good fight. My team lost but as a Cubs fan I can take it like a man.

:)

790 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:35:19am

I am really disappointed in my fellow Californians for proposition 30. This is a pure-evil class-warfare play that will do nothing to solve California's fiscal problems and drive folks like me from the state.

But I am glad that the tide is turning for gay-marriage on the ballot.

791 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:35:39am

re: #786 Vicious Babushka

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Entitled to stuff like voting, and control over their own bodies. How can they be so ungrateful after we gave them so much/////

792 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:36:35am

Gonna be in a meeting all day so I cant stay long. I hope both sides can finally get something done this time. Put the bickering aside and get down to doing some work.

793 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:36:50am

The sound and fury from the GOP has ended with a whimper and while the most strident members will be licking their wounds, expect the vitriol to be turned to 11ty within a few days as they continue their obstructionist tactics all the way to 2016.

Instead of this being a learning opportunity that putting lies, slanders, and misrepresentations out there and that running an extremist campaign in the primaries and attempting to tack to the center for the general election wont work because everyone knows what the party's true intentions are, they're going to take the opposite lesson - that they didn't go extremist enough.

Fact is that the GOP skewered bipartisanship - when you get GOPers attacking Gov. Chris Christie for showing support and working with the Obama Administration to help his wounded state from the devastating hurricane that killed dozens across NY and NJ and will rank as one of the costliest disasters in US history, you know something is terribly broken.

Christie's as partisan as they come, and yet he put aside partisanship to help his state. That's a trait seriously lacking from so many in the GOP that it's sad.

Oh, and kudos to Nate Silver and others who had predicted an Obama win - one that wasn't nearly as close as the pundits claimed it to be - and certainly not what the GOP extremists thought (where some pollsters were claiming a landslide victory for the GOP) or that the numbers were being made up by pro-Obama types.

Fact is that the nation didn't want the Romney message - and they sent that message loud and clear.

The electoral college results show that - and the margin in popular vote wasn't nearly as close as the right wishes it to be.

Congrats to the Obama campaign and those involved in their GOTV. They got the job done.

Now, let's get to work. There's lots to do.

794 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:36:58am

re: #787 wheat-dogghazi

Obama winning seems like a pretty clear sign to me. What does he want God to do, hit him in the head with a 2x4?

The Lord works in mysterious ways....

795 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:40:37am

Allen West is gone! Woohoo!

796 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:41:02am

Nate Silver is a stats god. The image on the right is his final prediction. The image on the left is the actual results:

Image: 0eSBW.png

If anyone can talk shit for at least a week after this, it's him.

797 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:41:03am

Well, Rush Limbaugh now has job security (and material) for 4 more years!

Ok! Just arrived here in Lisbon! Need to get sh-t, showered, shaved and shined. TTYL

(I'm going to go down to Porto to see a Pierre Boulez concert at Casa de Musica, conducted by Bradley Lubman. That's the reason for this trip.)

798 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:42:06am

[Link: unskewedpolls.com...]

[Crickets]

799 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:42:16am

re: #797 ReamWorks SKG

Well, Rush Limbaugh now has job security (and material) for 4 more years!

Ok! Just arrived her in Lisbon! Need to get sh-t, showered, shaved and shined. TTYL

Enjoy your stay!

800 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:42:45am

re: #796 Lidanghazi

Nate Silver is a stats god. The image on the right is his final prediction. The image on the left is the actual results:

Image: 0eSBW.png

If anyone can talk shit for at least a week after this, it's him.

Yeah but he doesn't know shit about Colorado///

801 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:42:52am

re: #798 Gus

Math. It's hard.

802 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:43:01am

dude staying here (a fight with his wife, me guessing) is playing over and over and over, "love songs" (including WHAM!!) on his computer. I may have to kill him.

803 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:43:26am

re: #801 lawhawk

Anyone see Nate Silver yet? :D

804 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:43:27am
805 Big Steve  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:43:29am

I am just pleased that the popular vote and the electoral college vote were in the same direction and we don't have to deal with that distraction.

806 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:44:28am

re: #803 Gus

Anyone see Nate Silver yet? :D

Nate Silver is a wizard! Drown the Wizard!

(Because math is, you know, MAGIC)

807 Mattand  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:44:35am

re: #792 NJDhockeyfan

Gonna be in a meeting all day so I cant stay long. I hope both sides can finally get something done this time. Put the bickering aside and get down to doing some work.

Here's something I just posted to FB that speaks to what you're saying:

I'm very happy about the cooperation that Obama and Christie have shown, and I don't want to harsh any birpartisan mellow.

However, people need to stop this whole "it's both parties' fault" crap. The GOP spent the last 4 years obstructing Obama, and it went all Wile E. Coyote in their faces last night.

There was a huge message sent last night. And I'm not confident that the people who needed to hear it were listening.

Seriously, NJD, it's up to people like you to fix this. Admit to the problem and deal with it. I don't know how much clearer Obama's re-election needs to be for you guys.

808 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:44:40am

re: #804 Vicious Babushka

Who the hell still has a CRT?! And she shouldn't sit so close! There are x-rays!

809 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:44:52am

Woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

810 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:45:33am

OMFG!! Lionel Richie!!!

811 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:45:34am

Where's Ted Nugent?

812 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:46:01am

re: #803 Gus

Anyone see Nate Silver yet? :D

813 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:47:00am

re: #788 ReamWorks SKG

Bemvindo a Portugal!

814 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:47:05am

re: #811 Gus

Where's Ted Nugent?

Locking and loading!!!

815 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:47:14am

Cali voted to keep the death penalty. Bummer.

816 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:47:43am

re: #803 Gus

Last I heard, he was busy making pagan sacrifices. Or presiding over gay marriages in Sodom. (or both) After all, he singlehandedly brought down the country with his prognostication/soothsaying. /

817 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:47:52am

re: #805 Big Steve

After Gore, the Republicans put a "retain the electoral college" plank in the platform.

(See [Link: www.gop.com...] )

I was perversely looking forward to Romney winning the popular vote just to see the Republicans try to backpedal!

Ok! Now I really need to run. I'm very disappointed about Prop 30, but I'm OK with Obama.

818 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:48:23am

re: #806 Vicious Babushka

(Because math is, you know, MAGIC)

Coming from somebody who works with math for a living, I can testify that there are many, MANY people who do consider math equivalent to magic.

819 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:48:50am

re: #443 goddamnedfrank

So, I wonder what's next for Reince Priebus. Is the GOP going to put him in The Wicker Man?

NOT THE BEEESSS!

820 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:49:24am

re: #785 Petero1818

This is the battle for the GOP in a nutshell. Excerpt from the Freepers:

What was that Einstein (attributed) quote on insanity again?>>>>

And reading that quote, all I can think of is the old joke of the man who died in the flood.

"I waited on the roof for you to rescue me? Why did you foresake me?"
"I sent a canoe, a motorboat, and even a helicopter. Why did you not listen to me?"

821 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:50:21am

re: #814 Cannadian Club Akbar

Crying in some corner of his house. LOL

822 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:50:43am

I think that this election came down to three things:

1. The empathy gap - Exit polling show that Obama won this by a whopping 85/15 total. At the end of the day, people don't like Romney, they dont connect with him, they don't want to have a beer with him, and they don't think that he gives a rats ass about them.

2. The economy has improved - No matter how hard they tried, the GOP could not come straight out and ask "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago" because the truth is most are. The nation is on a far better path, unemployment is falling, home prices are starting to rise. American's seem to have understood that it takes more than 3 years to climb out of the mess that had been created.

3. Demographics. It turns out that a war against women and latinos is not a great method. Nor is relying on people over 80 to get out the vote.

823 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:51:12am

re: #821 Gus

Crying in some corner of his house. LOL

Shh!! He will kill extra stuff today!!!

824 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:51:46am

Oh, and let me once again vent that #NJTransit sucks. A 2 hour commute by bus (should take no more than an hour normally). Too many people left with no other mass transit option other than bus, and too few buses to handle the overflow from a lack of rail options.

It's another reason that mass transit is critical to the efficient movement of people in urban areas. Without it, those places can't function.

And Gov. Christie has to drop the hammer on both NJ Transit and the Port Authority to do more - and to do it quickly. It's an intolerable situation that harms the regional economy. But the disaster response from both public authorities also shows why neither can truly be trusted with major infrastructure projects - they can't manage their existing infrastructure, let alone repair it in any semblance of a timely manner (though in some areas, the fault resides with the utilities - who also deserve their own special place in hell).

825 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:51:55am

re: #823 Cannadian Club Akbar

Shh!! He will kill extra stuff today!!!

That was his promise.

826 Big Steve  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:52:29am

re: #807 Mattand

My guess is the GOP's response is going to go full Ted Cruz. Young, Hispanic, Harvard Law school, articulate....and a Tea Party guy. At a minimum for VP in '16. Interestingly.....was born in Canada of American parents working abroad.

827 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:52:41am
828 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:52:58am
829 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:53:05am

re: #826 Big Steve

Did Cruz win?

830 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:54:56am
831 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:56:01am
832 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:56:12am
833 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:56:22am

re: #831 Lidanghazi

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Whine, whine, complain, complain. How many of these actually GO to Canada?

834 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:56:56am

re: #830 Gus

[Embedded content]

" In a related note, many voted twice because they were stoned and forgot they voted".
///

835 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:57:18am

re: #833 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Whine, whine, complain, complain. How many of these actually GO to Canada?

Canada has single-payer health care. SOSHULIZM!

836 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:58:00am

re: #835 Vicious Babushka

Canada has single-payer health care. SOSHULIZM!

Their booze cost too much.

837 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:58:39am

re: #824 lawhawk

And the #NJTransit and #PANYNJ response doesn't compare to what the #MTA has done. They've gone and restore most service to a system vastly larger than the #PATH system in less time though the South Ferry station will be closed indefinitely due to flood damage; other service will be back in a few days more - but they got the system up and running into Lower Manhattan faster than anyone could hope to expect.

That's not to say that the MTA isn't in for criticism either. They don't get sufficient funding to disaster-proof their system, let alone routine maintenance from the state to cover operating budgets (and that's on the legislature and Gov. Cuomo). There was insufficient protection to those underwater tunnels to prevent them from flooding - or at least reduce the flooding. More has to be done in that area.

And people have to remember that NYC got lucky because the storm came in a couple of hours ahead of high tide. If it coincided with high tide, the storm surge would have exceeded what we already saw with devastating consequences. We need to be prepared to deal with that kind of flooding - and that's going to take a significant amount of capital and investment from the state and local level, plus the feds.

Better to spend the money in preventative actions, than wait for the disaster that cripples the system for weeks/months - costing far more in the process.

838 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:59:12am

re: #790 ReamWorks SKG

I am really disappointed in my fellow Californians for proposition 30. This is a pure-evil class-warfare play that will do nothing to solve California's fiscal problems and drive folks like me from the state.

But I am glad that the tide is turning for gay-marriage on the ballot.

Y'all come to Alabama now, heah?

839 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:59:29am
840 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:59:38am

re: #590 Barflytom

What a disaster !
No doubt all you lefties are pleased at Obama getting re-elected.
Good luck to you.
I'm sure all the people who live at the expense of others will do reasonably well for a few more years, but it won't last forever.
Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of my business, but I'm not going to bother now. I met two other chaps tonight who are going to stop recruiting any more people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.
It seems that turkeys really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas.

Don't you mean thanksgiving?

841 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:59:52am

#tcot is hilarious this morning.

On a related note, I am pleasantly hungover today. Time to get moving and get to work.

842 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:00:33am

re: #841 Lidanghazi

#tcot is hilarious this morning.

On a related note, I am pleasantly hungover today. Time to get moving and get to work.

"Pleasantly hungover" is an oxymoron. What you mean is that you are still drunk.

843 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:01:22am
844 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:01:24am

re: #826 Big Steve

My guess is the GOP's response is going to go full Ted Cruz. Young, Hispanic, Harvard Law school, articulate....and a Tea Party guy. At a minimum for VP in '16. Interestingly.....was born in Canada of American parents working abroad.

His birf certifikat has layers, trust me.

845 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:01:24am

re: #590 Barflytom

CRY MOAR.

846 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:01:32am

Boom!

847 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:01:47am

Locally in NJ, Pascrell beat Boteach and Garrett won handly in Northern NJ key races and Menendez easily won in his Senate race against Kryillos.

NJ voters also approved both ballot questions - one to approve a $750 million bond for higher education and the other to change judicial compensation.

848 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:02:16am

re: #842 Vicious Babushka

"Pleasantly hungover" is an oxymoron. What you mean is that you are still drunk.

Haha, probably.

I didn't even have that much. I'm just a lightweight.

849 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:02:21am

re: #590 Barflytom

What a disaster !
No doubt all you lefties are pleased at Obama getting re-elected.
Good luck to you.
I'm sure all the people who live at the expense of others will do reasonably well for a few more years, but it won't last forever.
Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of my business, but I'm not going to bother now. I met two other chaps tonight who are going to stop recruiting any more people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.
It seems that turkeys really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas.

Sorry for your loss and...

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! FAIL!

850 Mattand  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:02:44am

re: #826 Big Steve

My guess is the GOP's response is going to go full Ted Cruz. Young, Hispanic, Harvard Law school, articulate....and a Tea Party guy. At a minimum for VP in '16. Interestingly.....was born in Canada of American parents working abroad.

Probably. The GOP was supposedly dead in the water in '08, and we saw how that worked out.

BTW, Steve, in case you missed my 2nd response to your post about how you voted, wealthy people like yourself need to stop with the "Obama is picking on us poor rich people" nonsense.

It's fostering that ridiculous, Fox News-based class warfare fantasy and it needs to stop. The President doesn't hate you because you're successful.

The freaking stock market doesn't believe it; why should anyone else?

851 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:03:40am

STANd for your Scause!

852 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:03:48am

Virginia came through! I see Florida is still counting.

853 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:04:39am
854 Big Steve  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:04:44am

re: #829 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did Cruz win?

yes.....huge

855 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:06:03am

re: #854 Big Steve

yes.....huge

Yep. Gay hating, Islamophobic, UN conspiracy nut wins! SHARIA!!11ty

856 Kronocide  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:06:04am

re: #840 jamesfirecat

Don't you mean thanksgiving?

I think he means screw you guys you suck whaaah. Read more like a passive aggressive smite.

857 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:06:33am

re: #840 jamesfirecat

Don't you mean thanksgiving?

His ignorance needs to be held up to the world as a shining example of pure teabagger wingnut. He's even dumber than ed last night. What a maroon.

That and rotating title nomination - "The turkey's really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas"

858 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:06:45am

re: #854 Big Steve

yes.....huge

Really? (I have to go to bed soon) We was outspent by 4 or 5 to 1 in the primaries against the same party.

859 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:07:59am

re: #590 Barflytom

For Barflytom, this next bit from Grover Norquist will read like a feast for the eyes. For those of us who are grounded in reality, its an masterpiece of unintentional hilarity. It's short, so I'm just going to post it in full (link to original):

Obama won a smaller percentage of American votes in his reelection than in his win in 2008.

America gave him less support after watching him govern for four years than when he ran promising hope and change. Normally a reelected president expands his margin of support.

The Republican majority in the House was reelected after spending two years opposing Obamacare, Obama’s taxes, and Obama’s spending. This president spent his campaign attacking Mitt Romney as a person. The election did solidify one thing. The modern Republican party is the party of the Ryan Plan: No tax hikes, Reaganesque tax reform, and entitlement reform. Before today, many believed that entitlement reform was political poison.

The Republican House was reelected after not just touching but fondling the “third rail of American politics.” It is clear that if you are specific about your reforms they cannot as easily be misrepresented to voters. The Republicans in the House all voted for Ryan. They lashed themselves to the mast and thrived. Romney hinted he was sort of in that general vicinity. One party has a plan that has been tested successfully in the fires of an election. The other party cannot even write a budget that wins a single Democrat vote.

Onward.

860 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:08:01am
861 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:08:10am

re: #857 William Barnett-Lewis

Turkey is the traditional Christmas meal in England, and in a lot of the US. Remember Bob Cratchett?

862 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:10:02am

re: #831 Lidanghazi

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I understand Americans wanting to flee up here when the GOP wins elections. I don't get Republicans who want to come up here when the Dems win. Our ruling Conservative party is essentially more socialistic than the Democratic party. We have completely socialized medicine. Higher personal taxation rates.re: #841 Lidanghazi

#tcot is hilarious this morning.

On a related note, I am pleasantly hungover today. Time to get moving and get to work.

And by that you mean sitting on your ass collecting entitlements don't you?////

863 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:10:43am

re: #860 Vicious Babushka

Isn't the internet wonderful?

864 Flounder  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:10:50am

Dick Morris is the guy I couldn't remember. Now I get to hear how the Republican party lost because it wasn't conservative enough.

865 Big Steve  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:11:05am

re: #850 Mattand

Probably. The GOP was supposedly dead in the water in '08, and we saw how that worked out.

BTW, Steve, in case you missed my 2nd response to your post about how you voted, wealthy people like yourself need to stop with the "Obama is picking on us poor rich people" nonsense.

It's fostering that ridiculous, Fox News-based class warfare fantasy and it needs to stop it. The President doesn't hate you because you're successful.

The freaking stock market doesn't believe it; why should anyone else?

I never felt the President hated me....In fact there are two things I am very careful about on my LGF posts.....I never make fun of names....so I always referred to Mr. Obama as President Obama and Mr. Romney as Mr. Romney. Second, I refuse to buy into the meme that one has to hate the other guy.
However, clearly as an election strategy and as a revenue source the President has indicated that those making more that $250k per year need to pay a higher percentage in taxes than they currently do. This is a bald fact. I don't hate him for that I just simply disagree that this will be successful and it does have a personal impact on me.

866 SidewaysQuark  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:11:37am

Sigh of relief.

Romney was a formidable opponent - anyone else in the clown car would have made the country a blue landslide.

However, given that the "RINOs" McCain and Romney have both "failed" the GOP now, expect to see conservatism further implode as it goes from ludicrously nutso to completely diving-off-the-cliff insane in the next few years, because 'obviously' their chosen candidates lost because they "aren't conservative enough".

867 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:11:50am

re: #858 Cannadian Club Akbar

Really? (I have to go to bed soon) We was outspent by 4 or 5 to 1 in the primaries against the same party.

The Tea Party likes him, and that was enough for Texas. Now we'll see if he can be become an effective senator, as has fellow Cuban-American Marco Rubio. To do so, Cruz is gonig to have to work to change the attitudes of the Texas GOP. His success or failure in any such efforts (and if he makes no such efforts he'll have failed in my eyes) may determine the fate of the GOP in Texas as the state's demographics change.

868 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:12:24am

OK. I gotta go. Nighty.

869 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:12:29am

Ted Cruz won roughly 60% of the vote. As a result, DeMint has another echo in the Senate.

Fortunately for the Dems it appears they actually gained seats in a year they were expected to lose them.

And I know I have to wait for the final numbers to come in but it looks to me like the margin in the house narrowed as well. Sure, I'd have liked to have seen it switch but, well, numbers...

If (and it is still an if) Reid and company follow through with their filibuster modification threat then it's going to make 2014 hilarious as the cover of the "senate with the democratic majority also rejected" goes away. That will bring even greater spotlight on just who is making government not work.

It's not going to be a great four years, but it'll be a lot better than it could have been.

870 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:12:34am

It's now 11 pm where I am. In between doing work for my classes tomorrow, taking care of a sick friend and watching the BBC coverage of the election, I've been hanging out here at LGF. My first time hanging out for an election here was really cool. Overall, I had a good day. (Though my friend is miserable with a bad cold.)

Four more years of Obama, a Democratic majority in the Senate, fewer wingnuts in Congress, legal pot in Colorado, same-sex marriage legal in Maryland, and Puerto Rico is edging closer to statehood.

Good times.

Have a good day, y'all!

871 erik_t  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:13:31am

re: #590 Barflytom

BUTTHURT LEVEL: PLAID

872 Big Steve  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:13:38am

re: #858 Cannadian Club Akbar

Really? (I have to go to bed soon) We was outspent by 4 or 5 to 1 in the primaries against the same party.

Yes he was outspent in the primary by David Dewhurst who has a personal fortune to spend. In the general election he won easy.

873 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:13:43am

But, Benghazi!

874 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:14:06am

re: #871 erik_t

BUTTHURT LEVEL: PLAID

Purple butt!

875 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:14:49am
876 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:15:24am

re: #590 Barflytom

What a disaster !
No doubt all you lefties are pleased at Obama getting re-elected.
Good luck to you.
I'm sure all the people who live at the expense of others will do reasonably well for a few more years, but it won't last forever.
Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of my business, but I'm not going to bother now. I met two other chaps tonight who are going to stop recruiting any more people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.
It seems that turkeys really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas.

Derp!

Hahahahahaha!

877 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:15:27am

re: #875 Benghazzy Ben Ross

I’ve got egg on my face. I predicted a Romney landslide and, instead, we ended up with an Obama squeaker.

Squeaker.

878 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:15:50am

re: #865 Big Steve

However, clearly as an election strategy and as a revenue source the President has indicated that those making more that $250k per year need to pay a higher percentage in taxes than they currently do. This is a bald fact. I don't hate him for that I just simply disagree that this will be successful and it does have a personal impact on me.

It has worked in the past, and the report suppressed by the GOP showed that breaks in the top tax rate have had no positive effect on the economy.

Do you think that the continued increase in disparity between the wealthy and the poor is a problem we need to address?

879 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:17:28am

re: #875 Benghazzy Ben Ross

But the more proximate cause of my error was that I did not take full account of the impact of hurricane Sandy and of Governor Chris Christie’s bipartisan march through New Jersey arm in arm with President Obama. Not to mention Christe’s fawning promotion of Obama’s presidential leadership.
It made all the difference.

Yep. Sandy. All the difference. All of it.

880 erik_t  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:18:18am

Hehe. Hehehehehehehehehehe.

xkcd-1131-math.png

881 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:20:15am

good morning fellow lizards. Have to say I slept really well last night.

882 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:20:34am

re: #875 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Minorities and Christie.

884 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:23:56am

re: #883 Vicious Babushka

Prepare for a lot of "the only real Jews are the Israelis" sentiment. Mostly by people who have no clue how secular Israel is.

885 Big Steve  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:24:36am

re: #878 Obdicut

Do you think that the continued increase in disparity between the wealthy and the poor is a problem we need to address?

That is a good question. Yes. Great inequities within any society is the most significant driver of social upheaval. However the Federal government has been actively addressing this since the 1930's and yet the gap continues to grow. So, no I don't believe what we have done in the past is working. It is also a complex issue interwoven with family, race, innate ability, gender, and a host of other issues. We already have a graduated tax rate and still have significant debt. More of the same won't work.

886 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:24:38am

While it is a good day today, just remember this, it's only 1,154 days till the Iowa caucuses... ;)

887 Kronocide  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:24:50am

So global warming caused Romney to lose?

Must be a sign from God.

I thought I'd be happier with the dearth of wingnut tears: I am not. The tide of petulant fucking children acting like sore losers is really disheartening. The prognosticating about 'Obama: mandate?' was happening yesterday afternoon from those in conservative punditry who saw the writing on the wall and had some grasp on reality.

The rest of them are wallowing in pity and despair. Though there is some hope in noting so much money thrown to support ignorant backwards ass ideology and the public still chose progress over regression, the dark sinister forces of ignorance and hate will regroup and return.

888 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:25:10am

re: #884 Obdicut

Prepare for a lot of "the only real Jews are the Israelis" sentiment. Mostly by people who have no clue how secular Israel is.

Israeli rabbi: Finally, I can say it: I’m happy about Obama!

889 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:25:12am

re: #875 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Its a funny article. He explains the "key reason" for the GOP loss and his false prediction is a demographic shift they simply didn't appreciate as permanent. But he goes on to say that the "proximate" cause they lost was Sandy and Chris Christie. Apparently Obama stole the "bipartisan" mantle from Romney. Here is the reality. Romney is a polticial opportunist without a shred of backbone or ideological integrity. He was Bipartisan in MA because had he not been, he might as well have sat in his office and played tiddly winks. I don't doubt that Romney would have worked across the aisle. I think he would do whatever he had to to secure his legacy. Obama I believe would work across the aisle because he would believe it is the right thing to do for a divided country. The electorate can smell that shit like cheap cologne.

890 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:27:33am

re: #886 William Barnett-Lewis

While it is a good day today, just remember this, it's only 1,154 47 1/2 days till the Iowa caucuses Christmas... ;)

Improved.

891 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:27:33am

22 hours ago...

892 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:27:38am

re: #886 William Barnett-Lewis

While it is a good day today, just remember this, it's only 1,154 days till the Iowa caucuses... ;)

My TPGOP primary debate line-up:

Bachmann
Jindal
Christie
Golum

893 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:27:57am

re: #885 Big Steve

That is a good question. Yes. Great inequities within any society is the most significant driver of social upheaval. However the Federal government has been actively addressing this since the 1930's and yet the gap continues to grow. So, no I don't believe what we have done in the past is working. It is also a complex issue interwoven with family, race, innate ability, gender, and a host of other issues.

Right there with you up to this point:

We already have a graduated tax rate and still have significant debt. More of the same won't work.

We have a much lower graduated tax rate than we have in the past, and that has been a main contributor to the deficit. It is not possible to talk about this without acknowledging that. Raising taxes back to previous levels alone wouldn't be sufficient, but it would hugely help.

In addition, we cut spending in a recession, which is deeply foolish. The problems we have in the US with debt are overspending during the boom times, not in necessary spending during recessions.

894 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:28:38am

re: #886 William Barnett-Lewis

While it is a good day today, just remember this, it's only 1,154 days till the Iowa caucuses... ;)

We're on it Cthulhu/Zod 2016 is off and running (on both parties). We're here to stay. Aint no stopping us now!

895 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:29:36am

re: #871 erik_t

BUTTHURT LEVEL: PLAID

896 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:29:43am

re: #888 Vicious Babushka

Israeli rabbi: Finally, I can say it: I’m happy about Obama!

And he is not exactly secular.....

897 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:30:27am

re: #888 Vicious Babushka

Israeli rabbi: Finally, I can say it: I’m happy about Obama!

That's fucking offensive.

"The only real Irish are the Provos."

898 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:30:31am
899 b_Snark  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:31:10am

re: #891 Gus

22 hours ago...

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Har de har har har.

900 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:31:15am

re: #886 William Barnett-Lewis

While it is a good day today, just remember this, it's only 1,154 days till the Iowa caucuses... ;)

DIAF

///

901 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:31:48am

re: #899 Canucknghazi

Har de har har har.

Checkmate!

902 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:31:50am

re: #892 Decatur Deb

My TPGOP primary debate line-up:

Bachmann
Jindal
Christie
Golum

It'll be Santorum/Huckabee in 2016. Santorum came in 2nd so he's the anointed one ("messiah") for that election. Then the party will need a southern theocrat to balance the northern papist/theocrat so that the religious hate right wing won't abandon them.

903 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:31:53am

re: #859 Dark_Falcon

For Barflytom, this next bit from Grover Norquist will read like a feast for the eyes. For those of us who are grounded in reality, its an masterpiece of unintentional hilarity. It's short, so I'm just going to post it in full (link to original):

The fact that Obama won by a smaller margin predicts dire things about his chances should he run for president again in 2016.... oh... wait....

(Good to have you back DF glad to see you're taking this in stride)

904 b_Snark  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:32:49am

Obama - 303
Romney - 206

Where are the other 29 EVs?

Did Bachman survive?

905 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:33:29am
906 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:33:32am

re: #898 dragonath

It's a commie plot! A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works. /Gen. Ripper

907 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:33:45am

re: #904 Canucknghazi

Obama - 303
Romney - 206

Where are the other 29 EVs?

Did Bachman survive?

That pattern must not be calling Florida.

908 b_Snark  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:33:56am

re: #902 William Barnett-Lewis

It'll be Santorum/Huckabee in 2016. Santorum came in 2nd so he's the anointed one ("messiah") for that election. Then the party will need a southern theocrat to balance the northern papist/theocrat so that the religious hate right wing won't abandond them.

I want to see a Bachman/Palin ticket.

909 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:34:26am

re: #904 Canucknghazi

Florida.

And that's leaning towards Obama, so that it would match the 538/Silver analysis (again).

910 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:34:26am

re: #903 jamesfirecat

The fact that Obama won by a smaller margin predicts dire things about his chances should he run for president again in 2016.... oh... wait....

(Good to have you back DF glad to see you're taking this in stride)

I've not been favorably disposed to Grover Norquist for a long time. That DERP he put out on NRO deserved a backhand, and I gave it one.

And thank you.

911 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:34:35am

re: #903 jamesfirecat

In the end, DF is conservative, not reactionary. This is a significant difference.

912 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:34:56am

re: #908 Canucknghazi

I want to see a Bachman/Palin ticket.

And they should make out on stage.//

913 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:35:24am

Ya think?

914 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:35:47am

re: #898 dragonath

Wichita votes against fluoridated water

Ice Cream Mandrake, children's ice cream!

915 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:36:25am

re: #904 Canucknghazi

Obama - 303
Romney - 206

Where are the other 29 EVs?

Did Bachman survive?

Florida is close enough its probably going to generate the automatic recount.

Fortunately it's probably not going to matter, and so won't be 2k redux.

916 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:36:41am

re: #904 Canucknghazi

Obama - 303
Romney - 206

Where are the other 29 EVs?

Did Bachman survive?

Yes, sad to say. By over 4,000 votes.

917 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:37:25am

You know what pisses me off? All of these gentiles pretending to speak for Jews or Israel. And I'm not Jewish so I can't imagine how Jews feel about this.

918 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:38:55am

re: #917 Gus

You know what pisses me off? All of these gentiles pretending to speak for Jews or Israel. And I'm not Jewish so I can't imagine how Jews feel about this.

Pisses me off too.

919 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:39:28am

re: #840 jamesfirecat

Don't you mean thanksgiving?

Let him go, he's on a roll.

920 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:40:05am

re: #883 Vicious Babushka

Jewish vote, including the Orthodox vote, went overwhelmingly to Obama.

Pam haz a rage.

That's fucking offensive.

"The only real Irish are the Provos."

AAK. Meant to make the "Provo" comment to this entry, not the late-arriving rabbi.

921 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:40:48am

re: #920 Decatur Deb

That's fucking offensive.

"The only real Irish are the Provos."

AAK. Meant to make the "Provo" comment to this entry, not the late-arriving rabbi.

922 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:41:07am

re: #919 Eventual Carrion

Let him go, he's on a roll.

OVER? OVER? THIS ELECTION ISN'T OVER TILL WE DECIDE IT IS!

---Karl Rove

924 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:41:50am

Freepers are now turning on Catholics. Pretty sad to watch.

925 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:42:41am

re: #920 Decatur Deb

That's fucking offensive.

"The only real Irish are the Provos."

AAK. Meant to make the "Provo" comment to this entry, not the late-arriving rabbi.

#921 altered to reflect your correction.

926 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:42:48am

re: #918 Vicious Babushka

Pisses me off too.

The self-described "experts." Always babbling about "liberal Jews!" Nothing is ever in the context of Jewish or Israeli culture but instead if it's not about "end times" it's about some geo-political power struggle and using Israel and Jews for a religious war they're hell bent on prosecuting.

927 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:43:02am

re: #924 Petero1818

Freepers are now turning on Catholics. Pretty sad to watch.

Every once in a while they eat each other and there are mass ZOTs (what they call flounces and bans). I've seen it.

928 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:43:40am

Sadly, this will not be a teaching moment for the GOP.

929 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:44:07am

re: #924 Petero1818

Freepers are now turning on Catholics. Pretty sad to watch.

The anti-Mormon puke they've been holding in check has also surfaced in the comments.

930 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:44:19am

Israel has survived with Democrats and GOPers in the White House - there have been good administrations, bad ones, and ambivalent ones.

IMO, those that help Israel the most are the ones that don't try to push a peace process that the sides themselves can't or wont do.

Obama falls into that group. He may have started off his 2008 rhetoric by suggesting a resumption of a peace process, but ended up not forcing the issue. That's not to say he wont try again as a legacy building operation, but the intervening years may have created that opportunity at least with Fatah. Hamas is a lost cause, and with it Gaza. Elections have still to be held with the Palestinians to see which way they want to go, and I don't think it's going to change things - Hamas and Fatah are firmly entrenched in their respective areas. Obama's smart enough to see that, and therefore we'll see the status quo continue.

Despite claims that Obama has hung Israel out to dry, the facts don't show that. Obama hasn't cut loan guarantees or foreign aid as some other Administrations have done re: settlements/housing. He's not forcing the issue, and the final status will need to be negotiated between the parties.

None of that has changed.

What has changed is the circumstances in Egypt and Syria (and possibly in Jordan and Lebanon). That's something that Israelis need to warily watch for, but the US isn't about to let the Camp David agreement collapse, or the Israel-Jordan peace collapse either. We'll just be watching what Assad and the Lebanese government do (and do to each other).

931 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:45:02am

re: #927 Vicious Babushka

Every once in a while they eat each other and there are mass ZOTs (what they call flounces and bans). I've seen it.

ZOT sounds like it should stand for "Zombie Outbreak Threat". Maybe we should nuke FreeRepublic from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

932 Kronocide  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:45:36am

re: #928 Gus

Sadly, this will not be a teaching moment for the GOP.

They're not teachable.

933 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:45:43am

re: #921 Dark_Falcon

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Have you no decency? This is not the morning-after to play bloody rock and roll. Where the hell is Freetoken's plainchant?

934 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:46:21am

re: #928 Gus

Sadly, this will not be a teaching moment for the GOP.

Oh it's a teaching moment... but the GOP insists on homeschooling so what do the teachers know, bunch of union thugs...

935 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:46:34am

re: #892 Decatur Deb

My TPGOP primary debate line-up:

Bachmann
Jindal
Christie
Golum

The bar is set so low for the GOP that I'd actually root for (though probably not vote for) Christie just on the basis of him taking the high road and not being a complete and utter tool re: Sandy.

Sad state of affairs when a Republican acting halfway decently is more surprising than a Republican blowing the racist dogwhistle electric vuvuzela and blaming disasters on gays and immigrants.

936 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:46:47am

Greetings this fine morning, O ye denizens of Saurotopia. I'm here to take personal credit for the victories of Elizabeth Warren in Massachusetts, Sherrod Brown in Ohio, and Obama/Biden nationwide. My wife and I sent money to Obama, Warren and the Ohio Democratic party, she canvassed door-to-door in New Hampshire last Sunday, and both of us worked at polling places and door-to-door locally on Tuesday. I even called my sister in Ohio yesterday to remind her to vote. If it weren't for us, the Dems would have been toast.

On the downside, I must also accept personal responsibility for Michele Bachmann's re-election. I failed to send any money to support her opponent. My bad. I'll try to do better next time.

I'll be here for a while to accept your heartfelt thanks, and also to offer my congratulations to all the other fine folk who also singlehandedly won this thing for the forces of truth and justice. We done good.

937 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:47:05am

re: #933 Decatur Deb

Have you no decency? This is not the morning-after to play bloody rock and roll. Where the hell is Freetoken's plainchant?

If I have offended, I apologize.

938 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:47:18am

Way back upthread BFT suggested a book (that he hadn't read) called "three felonies a day".

the full tile is "Three Felonies a Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent." It's by Harvey Silvergate. Looking at the full title I don't think it would surprise you to learn he is, among other things, the cofounder of (and current chairman of the board) for FIRE.

I mention all this to show how you should have a salt-shaker when reading the book. It's actually got some good information and an argument worth considering, but in my opinion tends to be heavy-handed and fails to present the other side as anything more than a strawman.

Just general info for the lizards.

939 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:47:40am

re: #934 jamesfirecat

Oh it's a teaching moment... but the GOP insists on homeschooling so what do the teachers know, bunch of union thugs...

Sadly, Michigan voters squashed a state proposal to amend the constitution to protect collective bargaining rights for public employees.

940 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:48:17am

re: #937 Dark_Falcon

If I have offended, I apologize.

Raggin 'on ya, Dark--I've a bit of a head this morning. Must be the change of seasons.

941 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:48:40am

re: #917 Gus

You know what pisses me off? All of these gentiles pretending to speak for Jews or Israel. And I'm not Jewish so I can't imagine how Jews feel about this.

The reality is that most Jews know that no group speaks for Israel and for Jews. A room full of 10 Jews is likely to have 11 different opinions on the same issue. I am Jewish, I don't get angry about gentiles pretending to speak for Israel and Jews, I know their end game and I know their support of Israel and Jews is merely a means to their own end. I get angrier when I see Jews try to speak for Israel and Judaism. Israel is one of the most fractured polities on earth. I often tell fellow Jews to not get so excited when they find support amongst the religious right in the US. We are a convenient ally, nothing more.

942 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:49:04am

So hands up... who else has 538 open in another window and is reloading every five minutes or so waiting to see the chances of Obama victory to spike up to 100.0%?

943 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:49:16am

re: #928 Gus

Sadly, this will not be a teaching moment for the GOP.

They are too busy home schooling to notice.

944 b_Snark  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:49:25am

re: #907 Decatur Deb

That pattern must not be calling Florida.

Calling Florida what?
re: #916 Dark_Falcon

Yes, sad to say. By over 4,000 votes.

Why do people vote that loon in?

945 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:49:26am

re: #915 kirghazi

Florida is close enough its probably going to generate the automatic recount.

Fortunately it's probably not going to matter, and so won't be 2k redux.

It's well past time to put some federal election standards in place. The state & local control model doesn't seem to work worth a shit.

946 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:49:29am

This thread is just humming along! Usually when we get to this mass of posts, the hamsters are struggling to haul the uphill load. I am so glad that Charles replaced the hamsters with a herd of duck-sized horses!

947 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:50:16am

re: #942 jamesfirecat

So hands up... who else has 538 open in another window and is reloading every five minutes or so waiting to see the chances of Obama victory to spike up to 100.0%?

xkcd

948 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:50:22am

Diane Sawyer!!

Hiccup.

:)

949 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:50:34am

re: #946 Vicious Babushka

This thread is just humming along! Usually when we get to this mass of posts, the hamsters are struggling to haul the uphill load. I am so glad that Charles replaced the hamsters with a herd of duck-sized horses!

Clearly the hamsters are/were in the tank for Obama and want us to be able to read all about his glorious victory.

950 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:51:16am

re: #933 Decatur Deb

Have you no decency? This is not the morning-after to play bloody rock and roll. Where the hell is Freetoken's plainchant?

Freetoken has a [welcome] penchant for Modernist composers - some of that stuff is more metal than Black Sabbath in a steel mill.

952 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:52:01am

re: #944 Canucknghazi

Calling Florida what?
re: #916 Dark_Falcon

Why do people vote that loon in?

Why do districts in England keep getting fooled into electing George Galloway? Loons get elected because their districts have issues, and the loon's DERPs appeal to those issues.

953 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:52:37am

re: #913 Gus

Romney's advisers sound like they were Al Gore bad.

954 b_Snark  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:52:48am

re: #927 Vicious Babushka

Every once in a while they eat each other and there are mass ZOTs (what they call flounces and bans). I've seen it.

Been there, done that.

I have no scars.

955 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:53:12am

re: #861 Obdicut

Turkey is the traditional Christmas meal in England, and in a lot of the US. Remember Bob Cratchett?

Just saw this but Obi, it's Goose not turkey that was traditional at Christmas. BFT is just ignorant.

956 darthstar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:53:27am

There were a lot of reporters embedded with the Romney campaign that were never allowed to quote anyone directly, but the tape was always rolling. Let the "Inside the Mitt Romney Campaign" tell-all books commence!

Already we see leaks that Romney really was a person of character, despite his outward shameless politicizing of American deaths and his appearance as someone who would bend to the extreme of his party out of fear of THEIR anger (Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi).

957 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:53:41am

re: #928 Gus

Sadly, this will not be a teaching moment for the GOP.

A case in point from the Land of Despair and Desertion, Free Republic:
The betrayal by our elites and the false conservative "snakes in the grass" who cost us the election

As last night's awful events have painfully proven, we're continuing to lose ground and our movement is being undermined, above all due to the treachery, blindness and incompetence of the GOP leadership to the forces gutting us from within. Our elites continue to betray the most basic conservative principles, and this is especially so for the snakes in the grass who've infiltrated our party as conservatives when they're anything but.

Too long-winded to quote directly any further, but the writer goes on to praise certain European countries for cracking down on "minarets and Muslims," excluding outsiders from their social services, and resisting the spread of shariah law (except in "dhimmified" Britain).

958 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:53:47am


959 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:54:04am
960 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:54:19am

Typical. I still don't see the GOP changing in any significant way. They'll just try some other new gimmick.

961 erik_t  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:55:03am

re: #944 Canucknghazi

Why do people vote that loon in?

Frankly, I think starbursts have something to do with it. Sad to say that this will be the reason, but she'll be out in six or eight years regardless of what else happens politically.

962 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:55:51am

re: #955 William Barnett-Lewis

Just saw this but Obi, it's Goose not turkey that was traditional at Christmas. BFT is just ignorant.

In my family we just stick with roast beast.

963 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:56:23am
964 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:57:35am

re: #960 Gus

Typical. I still don't see the GOP changing in any significant way. They'll just try some other new gimmick.

The Tea Party is going to be a canker sore on the side of the GOP for a long, long time. They'll never have serious credibility with latinos as long as they keep re-electing people like Joe Arpaio and Lou Barletta.

966 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:58:12am
967 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:58:30am

re: #965 Gus

I am LMAO at that right now.

968 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:58:32am

re: #963 Gus

Image: roverect-460x307.jpg

Chevy Chase?

969 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:59:20am

re: #955 William Barnett-Lewis

Just saw this but Obi, it's Goose not turkey that was traditional at Christmas. BFT is just ignorant.

Tougher to get goose these days. Most stores don't sell it. In Illinois and Wisconsin you can go hunting and shoot a goose, though. Better to do that in November, because by December they tend to have all gone south.

970 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:00:01am

Opening SNL skit next week is Rove berating Meghan Kelly and the other asshat brett baird over the Ohio call.

971 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:00:14am

re: #955 William Barnett-Lewis

Just saw this but Obi, it's Goose not turkey that was traditional at Christmas. BFT is just ignorant.

Turkeys are native to the New World. It couldn't be that traditional in England.

972 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:01:04am

re: #969 Dark_Falcon

Tougher to get goose these days. Most stores don't sell it. In Illinois and Wisconsin you can go hunting and shoot a goose, though. Better to do that in November, because by December they tend to have all gone south.

My local supermarket stocks frozen geese, but they're damn expensive.

Tasty, though. It's like a duck the size of a turkey.

973 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:01:28am

re: #969 Dark_Falcon

I've seen goose for sale in several markets around the holidays, then again I live in California and can find pretty much any type of meat if I look in the right places. Used to get venison too.

974 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:02:21am

England without turkeys, Ireland without potatoes, Italy without tomatoes...

The Old World must have kind of sucked in those days.

975 Mattand  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:02:29am

re: #865 Big Steve

I never felt the President hated me....In fact there are two things I am very careful about on my LGF posts.....I never make fun of names....so I always referred to Mr. Obama as President Obama and Mr. Romney as Mr. Romney. Second, I refuse to buy into the meme that one has to hate the other guy.
However, clearly as an election strategy and as a revenue source the President has indicated that those making more that $250k per year need to pay a higher percentage in taxes than they currently do. This is a bald fact. I don't hate him for that I just simply disagree that this will be successful and it does have a personal impact on me.

From Monday:

I also fall into the income level that President Obama routinely pillories and to be honest, not only is that an economic driver for my vote but it is emotional in that I am tired of being inferred as greedy.

That was the basis for my response. He doesn't routinely pillory wealthy people. It's that class warfare nonsense that Fox, Rush, et. al., have been pushing, and comments like this don't help.

976 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:03:13am

re: #969 Dark_Falcon

Tougher to get goose these days. Most stores don't sell it. In Illinois and Wisconsin you can go hunting and shoot a goose, though. Better to do that in November, because by December they tend to have all gone south.

Canada geese squat here all year long. They are varmints.

The reason more farmers don't raise geese, they are mean critters. It's much easier to raise dumb, passive turkeys.

The problem with Canada geese is, because they are wild, may contain a bunch of parasites and toxins that you do not find in domesticated bird, therefore can present a health hazard.

977 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:03:35am

Another freeper classic:

Considering women were happy to carry the worst failure of a president over the finish line, not once but twice. All in the name of protecting the “right” to butcher babies and the “right” to screw whoever they want and get free birthcontrol; I think i’ll pass on giving women any authority in the church.

978 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:03:42am

Capturing the Trump and Victoria Jackson meltdowns on twitter.

[Link: gawker.com...]

Trump could wipe away their tears with $100 bills and have tons left over. He's going to be just fine as the money man in the birther nation.

He might even manage to avoid yet another bankruptcy for his companies. That'd be something. But even if he did go into bankruptcy for a 5th time, he'd find a way to blame everyone but himself for his awful business acumen (but he's quite the PT Barnum propagandist).

979 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:03:42am

re: #955 William Barnett-Lewis

Just saw this but Obi, it's Goose not turkey that was traditional at Christmas. BFT is just ignorant.

I'm sorry man, you're wrong. Turkeys got imported from the New World and became hugely popular.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

It dates back a few hundred years. It's a tradition.

980 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:04:57am

Actually, I've had some food that was supposedly made with all Old World ingredients. It wasn't bad. Mediterranean food is pretty tasty too.

Mmm, grape leaves!

981 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:05:02am

re: #977 Petero1818

Another freeper classic:

And they then claim there is no war on women.

982 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:05:04am

re: #974 dragonath

England without turkeys, Ireland without potatoes, Italy without tomatoes...

The Old World must have kind of sucked in those days.

The truth about the Heroic Age of Exploration is that all those conquistadors, sea dogs, and freebooters fanned out across the world, and conquered a good part of it, mostly because they were looking for something decent to eat.

983 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:06:16am

Switzerland without chocolate.

The horror...

984 b_Snark  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:06:18am

982 comments and the thread is just cruising.

Nicely done Charles.

985 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:06:41am

re: #968 dragonath

Chevy Chase?

You can call him Al:

986 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:06:55am

re: #983 dragonath

Switzerland without chocolate.

The horror...

Global warming may destroy the world's cacao plantations.

987 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:07:19am

re: #983 dragonath

At least they have good cheese.

988 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:08:03am

re: #971 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Turkeys are native to the New World. It couldn't be that traditional in England.

Wikipedia:

The 16th-century English navigator William Strickland is generally credited with introducing the turkey into England. His family coat of arms — showing a turkey cock as the family crest — is among the earliest known European depictions of a turkey. English farmer Thomas Tusser notes the turkey being among farmer's fare at Christmas in 1573. The domestic turkey was sent from England to Jamestown, Virginia in 1607. A document written in 1584 lists supplies to be furnished to future colonies in the New World; "turkies, male and female".

Prior to the late 19th century, turkey was something of a luxury in the UK, with goose or beef a more common Christmas dinner among the working classes. In Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol (1843), Bob Cratchit had a goose before Scrooge bought him a turkey.

400-someodd years can still been seen as "recent" given the timescale involved. It's amazing how food was transformed by borrowing from New World staples. Imagine European (or for that matter Asian) gastronomy without chiles, potatoes, tomatoes, vanilla, and a fistful of other things we take for granted.

Nowadays goose is very uncommon and fairly pricey...at least in the US; I dunno about the UK.

989 b_Snark  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:08:12am

re: #986 Vicious Babushka

Global warming may destroy the world's cacao plantations.

You did not just say that.

990 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:08:56am

re: #989 b_snark

You did not just say that.

Global warming is killing chocolate.

991 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:09:39am

One Conservative got this election right.

If we don't run Chris Christie, Romney will be the nominee and we'll lose.

-Ann Coulter

992 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:09:56am

re: #988 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea

Wikipedia:

400-someodd years can still been seen as "recent" given the timescale involved. It's amazing how food was transformed by borrowing from New World staples. Imagine European (or for that matter Asian) gastronomy without chiles, potatoes, tomatoes, vanilla, and a fistful of other things we take for granted.

Nowadays goose is very uncommon and fairly pricey...at least in the US; I dunno about the UK.

"showing a turkey cock as the family crest"

That does not mean what I think it means... right?

993 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:10:42am
994 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:11:26am

re: #992 jamesfirecat

"showing a turkey cock as the family crest"

That does not mean what I think it means... right?

If you mean a male turkey you're right.

995 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:13:01am
996 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:14:07am

re: #995 Gus

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This is a f**king big deal.

997 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:14:36am

re: #958 Gus

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That seems to be the tone of things this morning. There's a decent piece from Ed Morrisey at Hot Air "A few thoughts on the end of the campaign — and the beginning of a big challenge'. Conservatives seem to be taking responsibility for their failure so far and seem to be asking the right questions. Not sure if they'll find the right answers though. Surprisingly little complaints about stolen elections.

998 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:14:38am