Mitt Romney just gave his concession speech. It’s over. All the lying, all the race-baiting, all the obscene amounts of money … all over.
And Barack Obama wins a second term.
I know, I already posted that … but I just like saying it.
A photo of Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Michelle Obama, and Jill Biden, right after hearing that the election was over.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:04:45pm |
I think the story is that the Good Girls Won.
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darthstar Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:04:55pm |
Oh, there's more race baiting to come...don't worry about that. But the election is over, and my wife gets her election-obsessed husband back.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:04:59pm |
Hopefully the huge waste of money to try to elect Mitt Romney will make people think twice about using their money like that again, rather than doubling down.
They'll probably double down.
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Mattand Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:05:34pm |
I actually feel a sense of relief. For now, at any rate.
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jaunte Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:06:06pm |
Sheldon Adelson's going to have to go to China to visit his money now.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:06:16pm |
Today was Pearl Harbor. Tomorrow we begin planning for Normandy.
— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) November 7, 2012
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freetoken Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:06:31pm |
Akin currently has less than 40% of the vote.
The Republicans were supposed to win this race.
I wonder if the RNC has learned anything here?
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:06:40pm |
The election is over, the carping has already begun.
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Cap'n Magic Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:06:50pm |
Now that he doesn't need to run again, he can, as Chris Rock stated, go gangsta.
Now the $64,000 question would go, go gangsta against whom?
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celticdragon Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:06:57pm |
re: #4 ninja cat
NBC projecting a West loss.
Lying ass war criminal gets the boot.
About damned time!
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SteelGHAZI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:06:57pm |
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Mattand Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:07:04pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:07:18pm |
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:07:30pm |
re: #17 jaunte
Some people just can't
learnstop hating.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:07:30pm |
Fox just called Virginia for Obama. Going to be a solid win in the electoral college, and by tomorrow it will be one in the popular vote too.
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celticdragon Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:07:37pm |
re: #10 freetoken
Akin currently has less than 40% of the vote.
The Republicans were supposed to win this race.
I wonder if the RNC has learned anything here?
Full metal conservatism can never fail. It can only be failed.
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efuseakay Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:07:55pm |
re: #10 freetoken
Akin currently has less than 40% of the vote.
The Republicans were supposed to win this race.
I wonder if the RNC has learned anything here?
Akin wasn't far enough right! Sig heil!!!
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:07:58pm |
re: #18 Targetpractice
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!
Forget it, he's rolling...
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celticdragon Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:08:48pm |
re: #18 Targetpractice
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?!
Those long range intercontinental JU-87 Stukas were a real bitch, you know.
//(I hope it was obvious)//
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:08:49pm |
re: #4 ninja cat
NBC projecting a West loss.
Another Palin inflicted wound we would all be better off without, good.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:08:56pm |
re: #20 ghazidor
Fox just called Virginia for Obama. Going to be a solid win in the electoral college, and tomorrow it will be one in the popular vote too.
Think the only swing state that Willard won was NC. Every other one, including the Big Two, went to Obama.
Silver was right: Anybody who called this election "too close to call" was either lying or delusional.
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dragonath Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:09:11pm |
ND Senate:
Heidi Heitkamp (D)
51% 154,882
Rick Berg (R)
49% 149,836
96% in
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:09:15pm |
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:09:51pm |
re: #11 Targetpractice
The election is over, the carping has already begun.
while the republican party flounders around...
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:10:19pm |
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:10:22pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:10:39pm |
Begala making a good point about moderates and independents.
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jaunte Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:10:43pm |
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Blizard Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:10:51pm |
Celebrating here in CO!!! God blessed America!!
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Schadenfreude 'r' Us Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:00pm |
And tomorrow if I turn on the TV, I can look forward to an endless diet of drug and car commercials. After practically spraining my finger hitting the mute button for the last -- what was it, ten thousand years? Ah, the peace and quiet....
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:20pm |
re: #29 engineer cat
while the republican party flounders around...
The RWNJs got their bass-es kicked a bit tonight...
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gwangung Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:23pm |
re: #26 Targetpractice
Think the only swing state that Willard won was NC. Every other one, including the Big Two, went to Obama.
Silver was right: Anybody who called this election "too close to call" was either lying or delusional.
Would it have really maimed them beyond belief for them to have said "small but distinct lead"?
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:26pm |
re: #35 Schadenfreude 'r' Us
And tomorrow if I turn on the TV, I can look forward to an endless diet of drug and car commercials. After practically spraining my finger hitting the mute button for the last -- what was it, ten thousand years? Ah, the peace and quiet....
Right?!
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RadicalModerate Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:28pm |
From the look of things, the Republican party needs to do a LOT of soul-searching, because not only did Romney lose, but also there's a hell of a number of the out-front crazies are getting swept out as well. The so-called "values voters" crowd lost tonight, and lost BIG.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:37pm |
Time to start hammering Scott Walkers dismal job numbers. Hard.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:42pm |
re: #28 Ben G. Hazi
2014 first...
Oh, that is pretty directly already in operation.
The GOP goal will be to hold down the vote, like in 2010, so they can continue to control the House. They have no hope at the Senate because of tonight's losses and in 2014 the balance of seats up for grab in the Senate are much more evenly balanced than this year (which had a lot more Democrat seats theoretically in danger.)
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Petero1818 Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:45pm |
I believe we are witnessing the birth of the Conservative party. A split right wing.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:50pm |
Tonight hate and fear lost. Tonight truth won. Tonight is a good night.
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celticdragon Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:55pm |
Michael Steele talking about spanking. It is strangely arousing...not!
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:11:57pm |
re: #2 freetoken
I think the story is that the Good Girls Won.
Actually, it's the Bitches that won.
We destroyed the Pedestal a long time ago.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:12:14pm |
re: #24 celticdragon
Those long range intercontinental JU-87 Stukas were a real bitch, you know.
//(I hope it was obvious)//
launched from U-Boat aircraft carriers...
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Charles Johnson Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:12:17pm |
The Obamas and the Bidens right after the election was called:
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:12:35pm |
NOW THE SOCIALISM CAN FINALLY BEGIN
— Jon Lovett (@jonlovett) November 7, 2012
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KiTA Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:12:45pm |
Sigh. How many more years of this until the GOP learns? Or will they ever?
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freetoken Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:13:21pm |
Here's the talking points:
(1) Obama got a smaller percentage of the popular vote than in 2008.
(2) Obama got fewer electoral votes than in 2008.
Therefor Obama has no mandate and won by the slimmest of margins (and that no doubt due to voter fraud in OH and FL.)
That is what you'll be hearing for quite a while.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:13:48pm |
Actually Charles, you can say it again and again and again.
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EPR-radar Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:13:50pm |
re: #39 RadicalModerate
From the look of things, the Republican party needs to do a LOT of soul-searching, because not only did Romney lose, but also there's a hell of a number of the out-front crazies are getting swept out as well. The so-called "values voters" crowd lost tonight, and lost BIG.
Best news of the night. I'd like for the midterm elections of 2010 to go down in the records as "their finest hour" for the nutbaggers.
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:14:01pm |
Sorry Michael, you already lost the chance to win over this current voting generation.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:14:03pm |
re: #50 KiTA
Sigh. How many more years of this until the GOP learns? Or will they ever?
The ideologically pure will never concede
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:14:11pm |
re: #47 AK-47%
launched from U-Boat aircraft carriers...
Laugh, but the Japanese did have those: I-400 class submarine
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:14:16pm |
re: #26 Targetpractice
Think the only swing state that Willard won was NC. Every other one, including the Big Two, went to Obama.
Silver was right: Anybody who called this election "too close to call" was either lying or delusional.
Florida is still in the "too close to call" column. I'm still hopeful though.
I'm really surprised, Until today I honestly didn't think Obama stood any real chance here this time around.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:14:52pm |
re: #52 freetoken
Here's the talking points:
(1) Obama got a smaller percentage of the popular vote than in 2008.
(2) Obama got fewer electoral votes than in 2008.Therefor Obama has no mandate and won by the slimmest of margins (and that no doubt due to voter fraud in OH and FL.)
That is what you'll be hearing for quite a while.
And I'll look anybody who says that to me right in the eye and say "But when Bush won by one state, you called it a mandate. Try selling crazy somewhere else, we're all stocked up here."
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:14:56pm |
re: #56 AK-47%
The ideologically pure will never concede
Nothing is ever pure enough for them anyway, they wouldn't be happy even if they won.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:15:28pm |
--> RT @johngcole: YES WE MOTHERFUCKING DID
— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) November 7, 2012
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jaunte Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:16:00pm |
So, in sum, a huge night for gay, pot-smoking Kenyans.
— Jeffrey Goldberg (@JeffreyGoldberg) November 7, 2012
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HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:16:02pm |
Van Jones making the argument that Obama's created a new coalition. Hard to argue with that. We'll look back on 2008 as a very important election.
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JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:16:09pm |
Bwahahahahahahahahaha
America.I'm sorry.Unfortunately things like character, integrity,& individual responsibility don't mean as much as they once did.GOD help us
— Joe the Plumber (@Joe4Congress12) November 7, 2012
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celticdragon Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:16:10pm |
Honestly, I suspect the first order of business for the teatard wing is deciding what they will try to introduce impeachment charges on. I think they will go for Libya.
It will be a disaster for them...but Fox News is pushing it and of course, thyt know that all the real Americans just KNOW that the "librul MSM" has been hiding it from view...and are just waiting for their leadership to expose the Kenyan, USA hating traitor for what he is.
Any other possibilities?
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:16:21pm |
Miami-Dade won't count all their votes tonight.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:16:24pm |
re: #48 Charles Johnson
The Obamas and the Bidens right after the election was called:
Joe delivered. The recovery in 538 begins at the Biden-Ryan debate.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:16:51pm |
re: #64 JamesWI
Bwahahahahahahahahaha
[Embedded content]
Actually, Joe, maybe you don't really know what those words mean.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:17:15pm |
re: #48 Charles Johnson
The Obamas and the Bidens right after the election was called:
Must....resist...silly...marriage equality joke! Must...fight...it.
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SteveMcG Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:17:23pm |
What the hell happened with Donald Trump. Chuck Todd had himself a chuckle but the other guys let it drop, but I can tell something weird happened.
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prairiefire Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:17:31pm |
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celticdragon Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:18:09pm |
re: #57 Ben G. Hazi
Laugh, but the Japanese did have those: I-400 class submarine
That launched a float plane which proceeded to firebomb the Oregon forest and achieve nothing at all, since the forest was quite damp.
The pilot later came to Klamath and apologized.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:18:10pm |
Marriage equality passes in several states, as well as legalized dope (I hate the stuff but I'm against the WOD), advocates for Rapist's Reproductive Rights have gone down the tubes, Ryan doesn't get to crash the economic car with us in it, the balance of Legislative power has changed a little bit away from the R's, and the worst of the troglodyte fat cats burned up billions with no result... Not bad for a night's work. Good going, America!
Now for the tough part: real nation-building, here at home. Dear President Obama, CLIMATE CHANGE, SCIENCE EDUCATION, INFRASTRUCTURE, MANUFACTURING, AND NASA K THX.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:18:30pm |
Right now the hot contest is the NV race for Senate. If the Dems win that will give them 57 Senators versus 56 otherwise.
That may seem like a small thing, but when it takes 60 votes to actually accomplish anything hard in the Senate, that 57th vote could mean the world to an Obama appointee such as a USSC justice.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:18:38pm |
Trump lost his fucking mind, Morris disappeared off the face of the Earth, and Rove got shown on live TV as the bully we all know he is.
All in all, I'd say it's be a great night. Who's up for Chinese?/
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:07pm |
I guess Ed won't tell us what Obama has taken over the production of.
I haz a sad.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:10pm |
Oh please. PLEASE LET HER LOSE. | UPSET ALERT: Michele Bachmann Is In Serious Danger Of Losing businessinsider.com/michele-bachma… #ABLC #p2 #TFY
— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) November 7, 2012
I dunno. Looking at the counties left I'm not confident that it's going to happen.
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dragonath Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:19pm |
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:20pm |
re: #67 Decatur Deb
Joe delivered. The recovery in 538 begins at the Biden-Ryan debate.
The old warhorse did his duty and fired up the troops after the demoralizing BS that was the first presidential debate; without that, we might have been hearing about "President Romney" tonight.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:24pm |
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Joanne Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:35pm |
re: #71 SteveMcG
What the hell happened with Donald Trump. Chuck Todd had himself a chuckle but the other guys let it drop, but I can tell something weird happened.
Trump called for revolution.
Donald J. Trump
We can't let this happen. We should march on Washington and stop this travesty. Our nation is totally divided!Donald J. Trump
He lost the popular vote by a lot and won the election. We should have a revolution in this country!
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:37pm |
I like to think that my grand-sum total of $40 to the Obama campaign is what made all the difference. Who wants to touch me?
I SAID WHO WANTS TO TOUCH ME?
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SpaceJesus Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:40pm |
To: wastedyears; Travis McGee; Pelham; nathanbedford; dixiechick2000I feel your pain...I feel like the humility my ancestry felt enduring Reconstruction
but just the title of your thread made me chuckle
trust me..there is somewhere off the grid on this big old planet without all this crap..i was happy as an expat once...now i will likely do like most like us...self segregate to our places...rural mostly
but our country is lost to the weak and bitter for now and it hurts
thanks though ...I laughed out loud...but i know you weren’t trying to be funny
I’m 55 with 5 children and struggling business etc...and I’m scared too...but not at risk about what to do with my life
but i will never give up and you can’t either
we are outnumbered by demographics...we are going to have to find some way to turn either some Mexicans or White Northern liberals
those are the only two options
I will be curious to see how the white vote compares to 2008 and 2010
I had figured if we replicated 2010 we’d win...62%
you’re too young but we used to win nationals with 52-54% white vote totals
this ain’t 1980 anymore
we opened the door and let them in
the GOP committed suicide and we warned em...big fights over it here...and nobody listened...called us bigots...banned us even
but the primary culprit here is the latino vote and that implication in Florida, California, New Mexico and Colorado and Nevada
and guess what....Texas will be at risk soon enough...imagine that?
now we are stuck with them..if most Mexican women were prettier we could just marry em up...for the cause..but whew
73 posted on Tuesday, November 06, 2012 11:05:39 PM by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)
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SteveMcG Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:40pm |
re: #76 Targetpractice
Trump lost his fucking mind, Morris disappeared off the face of the Earth, and Rove got shown on live TV as the bully we all know he is.
All in all, I'd say it's be a great night. Who's up for Chinese?/
What's up with Trump?
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Mattand Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:44pm |
re: #77 EdDantes
The good guys lost. God help us.
Give it a rest already. All you're doing is proving that conservatives haven't learned a fucking thing tonight.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:45pm |
re: #77 EdDantes
The good guys lost. God help us.
Todd Akins? Mourdock? Allen West?
These are your "good guys"?
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JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:19:50pm |
re: #77 EdDantes
The good guys lost. God help us.
Jesus Christ, just swallow the pills and end it all.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:20:17pm |
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SpaceJesus Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:20:25pm |
white southern conservative religious racist tears. pure strain.
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Tigger2 Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:20:33pm |
re: #64 JamesWI
Bwahahahahahahahahaha
[Embedded content]
Yes it does, but we can still spot stupidity and not elect it.
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Petero1818 Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:20:36pm |
re: #71 SteveMcG
What the hell happened with Donald Trump. Chuck Todd had himself a chuckle but the other guys let it drop, but I can tell something weird happened.
I suspect he had a few too many Macallans....I feel really bad for him.////
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:20:38pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:20:50pm |
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:00pm |
re: #77 EdDantes
The good guys lost. God help us.
by all means, please make specific predictions of what the next four years hold for us
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:05pm |
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jaunte Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:08pm |
re: #87 SpaceJesus
now we are stuck with them..if most Mexican women were prettier we could just marry em up...for the cause..but whew
Good god.
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celticdragon Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:09pm |
re: #77 EdDantes
The good guys lost. God help us.
Tears! More of them now! I command you!
Your lamentations are a balm unto my lips and a song unto my ears!
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SteveMcG Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:22pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:33pm |
re: #97 Varek Raith
So...
Any one see Dick Morris lately....?
Saw him walking with the queen. Oh wait that was Lon Chaney.
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Joanne Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:39pm |
re: #77 EdDantes
The good guys lost. God help us.
Since when is a guy who lied every time he opened his mouth a good guy? You really need to reevaluate your principles because they suck. Liars are not good guys. Period.
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OhNoZombies! Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:42pm |
re: #77 EdDantes
The good guys lost. God help us.
No we didn't. We won.
The President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama, has won a second term.
Somebody wasn't watching!
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:48pm |
re: #97 Varek Raith
So...
Any one see Dick Morris lately....?
On the side of a milk carton. Probably locked in a studio broom closet, trying to figure out how the fuck he's gonna explain away his hilariously bad predictions tomorrow.
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Petero1818 Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:21:49pm |
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Mattand Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:22:06pm |
re: #86 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
I like to think that my grand-sum total of $40 to the Obama campaign is what made all the difference. Who wants to touch me?
I SAID WHO WANTS TO TOUCH ME?
I've got you beat by $10, big spender!
Let's pool our resources and open a petting zoo, in which "petting zoo" is a euphemism for "uncomfortable, inappropriate physical contact."
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:22:06pm |
re: #81 dragonath
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
"Good guys", hell...if you're including expedient liars like Romney, misogynistic fuckheads like Walsh, Akin, Mourdock, and Ryan, and crackpots like West and Bachmann as "good guys", you can just get fucked.
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Kragar Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:22:16pm |
Well, glad thats over and we can put this behind us...
Today was Pearl Harbor. Tomorrow we begin planning for Normandy.— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) November 7, 2012
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:22:20pm |
re: #80 JamesWI
Bachmann up about 1,000 votes with 72% in.
Look on the bright side: if she wins, she'll probably run for president again in 2016, waste a lot of deranged rich people's money, and provide us with a lot of entertainment along the way.
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JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:22:27pm |
re: #98 Gretchen G.Tiger
not cool!
At this point, I don't care. If we had lost, I doubt any of us would be going on to HotAir or some other wingnut site and crying like a baby looking for attention.
He's just trolling.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:22:28pm |
Victory sex is the most gratifying sex of all.
Just for the record.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:22:36pm |
re: #108 Targetpractice
On the side of a milk carton. Probably locked in a studio broom closet, trying to figure out how the fuck he's gonna explain away his hilariously bad predictions tomorrow.
It was all Chris Christie's fault. All.
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Kaadred Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:22:58pm |
I wonder if my "socialist-phobic" relatives who swore they'd move to France (uh, what?) if Obama won will be asking me to help them move?
Oh, and Fischer can DIAF.
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:23:00pm |
re: #112 Kragarghazi
Well, glad thats over and we can put this behind us...
[Embedded content]
If by Normandy he means Bay of Pigs...
Yeah, sure. Knock your little selves out.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:23:02pm |
Self-deported from the White House and I believe this is coming from a Republican adviser.
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:23:30pm |
The good guys lost
of course, with the republican party, you never know whether this means true believing evangelicals, ayn rand social darwinists, or self-appointed "job creators" who think the quality of their souls are measured in profits
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:23:39pm |
re: #116 Benghazzy Ben Ross
It was all Chris Christie's fault. All.
"He sold me some really bad shit...wait, did I say that out loud?"
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EdDantes Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:23:41pm |
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:23:48pm |
re: #102 celticdragon
Tears! More of them now! I command you!
Your lamentations are a balm unto my lips and a song unto my ears!
Stop quoting the Bible, that's just mean.
//
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:23:50pm |
re: #77 EdDantes
The good guys lost. God help us.
Go. To. Bed.
Or call someone who will give you a sympathetic hearing.
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Mattand Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:23:52pm |
re: #97 Varek Raith
So...
Any one see Dick Morris lately....?
(Warriors mode)
Morris! COME OUT AND PLAY-AY!!!
(/Warriors mode)
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:24:16pm |
re: #115 Almost Killed by Space Hookers
Victory sex is the most gratifying sex of all.
Just for the record.
Better than makeup sex, I take it?
///
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JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:24:30pm |
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:24:40pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:24:43pm |
re: #87 SpaceJesus
[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]
Dear God.
Dear Dear God.
That is the most repulsive thing I've seen in a bit. I always knew the GOP was full of creatures like that but DAMN.
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jaunte Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:24:43pm |
Great moment of Republican defeatism: Ari Fleischer celebrates bright future based on growing population of old people.
— Franklin Foer (@FranklinFoer) November 7, 2012
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Tigger2 Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:24:49pm |
re: #83 HappyBenghazi
Good guys don't talk about legitimate rape.
Good guys don't force a woman or girl to have their rapist or family members baby.
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Petero1818 Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:25:04pm |
re: #119 HappyBenghazi
Self-deported from the White House and I believe this is coming from a Republican adviser.
It was a really good line. She is a latina conservative. referring to Mitt losing this election in the Primary by abandoning latinos and moving to the right.
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:25:13pm |
re: #123 EdDantes
Typical liberal.
Are you going to answer my question?
What has Obama taken over the production of?
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wheat-dogghazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:25:51pm |
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Kragar Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:25:55pm |
re: #137 Varek Raith
Are you going to answer my question?
What has Obama taken over the production of?
He's the leading cause of Wingnut tears
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:25:58pm |
re: #60 Gretchen G.Tiger
Nothing is ever pure enough for them anyway, they wouldn't be happy even if they won.
No doubt, they would have turned on Mitt with all the intensity that they could muster and expect him to repeal Medicare, Roe v Wade, FEMA, PBS, NASA and anything else with an acronym.
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Joanne Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:26:05pm |
re: #111 Ben G. Hazi
"Good guys", hell...if you're including expedient liars like Romney, misogynistic fuckheads like Walsh, Akin, Mourdock, and Ryan, and crackpots like West and Bachmann as "good guys", you can just get fucked.
Hadda repeat this.
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boredtechindenver Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:26:06pm |
Sully has a screencap of Trump's Tweet:
[Link: dailydish.typepad.com...]
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:26:16pm |
All that's left in this race is Salt Lake City, and that's breaking for Matheson. I think Love's going down.
Juab 100% in
Mia
Love
62% 2,214
Jim
Matheson
35% 1,229
Salt Lake 60% in
Jim
Matheson
52% 76,566
Mia
Love
46% 67,236
Sanpete 100% in
Mia
Love
67% 2,236
Jim
Matheson
30% 1,017
Utah 100% in
Mia
Love
70% 14,070
Jim
Matheson
28% 5,614
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deadmaus Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:27:14pm |
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:27:24pm |
re: #123 EdDantes
Typical liberal.
So all of your TPGOP compatriots that are calling for open insurrection and secession, are they "typical conservatives"?
That's what I thought...
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:27:34pm |
Michigan Emergency Manager law looks like it's heading for repeal.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:27:38pm |
re: #142 boredtechindenver
Sully has a screencap of Trump's Tweet:
[Link: dailydish.typepad.com...]
And tomorrow, he'll be on Fox, weaseling out of that tweet by telling folks "I meant a political revolution, a rising up of voters, nothing violent or anything like that."
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JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:27:42pm |
Seriously, if Obama had lost, would any of us had the urge to go crying on wingnut sites about how the world is over? Anyone?
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Joanne Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:27:52pm |
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Amory Blaine Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:27:54pm |
You guys aren't conservative enough!!!! Romney is a RINO!!!!11tyt!!!
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:27:57pm |
re: #77 EdDantes
The good guys lost. God help us.
Please put a lit on the biile. THe AMerican people spoke clearly. We all have to accept the results or renouce our citizenship and live elsewhere.
Why not tell us in your words why you think Mitt was un unable to defeat a President who presided over such levels of unemployment and debt?
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:28:01pm |
re: #114 JamesWI
At this point, I don't care. If we had lost, I doubt any of us would be going on to HotAir or some other wingnut site and crying like a baby looking for attention.
He's just trolling.
Call for such things is not cool! I care.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:28:01pm |
Let the open gloating commence!
Hey GOP! How is that party of "NO" bullshit plan working out for you now?
Well? ;)
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wheat-dogghazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:28:07pm |
re: #142 boredtechindenver
Sully has a screencap of Trump's Tweet:
[Link: dailydish.typepad.com...]
More than likely while Trump the Chump is out of the country.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:28:16pm |
Yeah, he's probably getting a raise. twitpic.com/bb0lzf
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) November 7, 2012
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OhNoZombies! Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:28:19pm |
re: #148 JamesWI
Seriously, if Obama had lost, would any of us had the urge to go crying on wingnut sites about how the world is over? Anyone?
Hell no.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:28:24pm |
re: #123 EdDantes
Typical liberal.
Why are you choosing to engage with comments like that, and not the reasonable ones being made to you?
I understand that you're upset that your candidate lost. But you've said a lot of things which simply aren't true. The US has been recovering from a recession under Obama. It's slow going, mostly because we've stupidly cut a lot of government spending, but unemployment is back down and if we hadn't cut all those public jobs, it'd be even lower.
We're all still Americans. We all still have the same mutual problems to solve. The following four years will have a lot of challenges. Let's work together to find middle ground, practical solutions. It's going to require that the GOP abandon their anti-science and anti-reality positions, though. And I'm not sure they're ready to do that. This may not be enough.
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jaunte Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:28:54pm |
re: #147 Targetpractice
And tomorrow, he'll be on Fox, weaseling out of that tweet by telling folks "I meant a political revolution, a rising up of voters, nothing violent or anything like that."
Well that's it. I'm done. I'm never going to take anything he says seriously, ever again.
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JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:28:56pm |
re: #152 Gretchen G.Tiger
Call for such things is not cool! I care.
Was I serious? No. I was giving a troll the level of respect he deserves. Which is none.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:29:11pm |
re: #148 JamesWI
Seriously, if Obama had lost, would any of us had the urge to go crying on wingnut sites about how the world is over? Anyone?
There would be a little less soda in my drinky poo.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:29:12pm |
re: #148 JamesWI
Seriously, if Obama had lost, would any of us had the urge to go crying on wingnut sites about how the world is over? Anyone?
I'd probably be playing Halo 4 right now.
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The Questionable Timing of a Flea Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:29:30pm |
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Joanne Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:29:30pm |
re: #127 deadmaus
Goodbye America, I'm sad.
Awwww. That Marxist, socialist, communist Kenyan got you down? So sorry.
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:29:31pm |
Gov. Christie has signaled that he will be in the game in '16. I wish him luck, it is going to be a very hard sell.
He may be getting an early start on derailing the crazy train and bringing sanity back to the party though. It appears that two of the tea party's craziest, the insane Michelle Bachmann and the criminally insane Alan West, are in real trouble tonight. Both are running 50/50 against challengers with over 90% of the votes counted. Bachmann still has some bat cave precincts to be counted, but West looks to be a goner.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:29:45pm |
re: #77 EdDantes
The good guys lost. God help us.
Yeah where was your God in all this? Maybe he likes gays after all, or something?
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HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:29:52pm |
re: #148 JamesWI
Seriously, if Obama had lost, would any of us had the urge to go crying on wingnut sites about how the world is over? Anyone?
I wouldn't even be doing that here. I'd be bummed out but after 2004 I learned something about losing with maturity. Bush's re-election wasn't the end of the world and I realized he wasn't the monster I thought he was in his first term in his second term. Perhaps some of Obama's detractors can learn that same lesson.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:29:55pm |
re: #148 JamesWI
Seriously, if Obama had lost, would any of us had the urge to go crying on wingnut sites about how the world is over? Anyone?
If Willard had won, I'd be bummed, but I wouldn't be screaming "THE SKY IS FALLING!"
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:29:58pm |
re: #71 SteveMcG
What the hell happened with Donald Trump. Chuck Todd had himself a chuckle but the other guys let it drop, but I can tell something weird happened.
Donald got super drunk and called for revolution. When last seen his election night party guests were seen drawing all over his passed out face and stealing his massive hoard of Veuve Clicquot.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:30:07pm |
re: #132 Almost Killed by Space Hookers
Dear God.
Dear Dear God.
That is the most repulsive thing I've seen in a bit. I always knew the GOP was full of creatures like that but DAMN.
Like the Muslims were going to take over the country--Sharia law would be instituted and on and on and on .. .
Yeah, that didn't happen either.
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:30:27pm |
re: #169 Targetpractice
If Willard had won, I'd be bummed, but I wouldn't be screaming "THE SKY IS FALLING!"
Until I dropped a neutron star on you alls.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:30:55pm |
re: #97 Varek Raith
So...
Any one see Dick Morris lately....?
Not a peep since this one more than 2 hours ago...
#election2012dont give up!— Dick Morris (@DickMorrisTweet) November 7, 2012
Can they give up yet Dick?
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:31:00pm |
re: #172 Varek Raith
Until I dropped a neutron star on you alls.
Dude, what's with you and the neutron stars? Is a brown dwarf too much to ask?
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:31:33pm |
re: #174 Targetpractice
Dude, what's with you and the neutron stars? Is a brown dwarf too much to ask?
It's all about density.
How about I drop both?
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EdDantes Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:31:37pm |
re: #137 Varek Raith
Are you going to answer my question?
What has Obama taken over the production of?
Energy by cancelling federal oil leases. Investing in non existent green energy. Cancelling the pipeline. Billions to promote unproven green techonogy?
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:31:45pm |
re: #123 EdDantes
Typical liberal.
c'mon, ed, i'm serious - i want to know what bad things you think will happen!
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:31:53pm |
re: #156 OhNoBenghazi!
Hell no.
There are whiners everywhere, right now we are still dealing with the stage of denial
| 179 |
dragonath Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:32:04pm |
Trump should move to Scotland and have a bad-hair off with Boris Johnson.
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:32:13pm |
re: #173 ghazidor
Not a peep since this one more than 2 hours ago...
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Can they give up yet Dick?
Hey, maybe Morris and Trump are spooning right now.
/just sayin'
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JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:32:19pm |
re: #169 Targetpractice
If Willard had won, I'd be bummed, but I wouldn't be screaming "THE SKY IS FALLING!"
Hell, I wouldn't begrudge anyone crying about it. I'd probably be bitching. But to go somewhere where you know about 99% of the people are of the opposite view and bitch about it? Only a troll desperate for attention would do that. I wouldn't be going over to the Freepers to tell them America's dead so they could laugh at me.
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wheat-dogghazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:32:32pm |
re: #176 EdDantes
Dude, America exports its oil. We don't keep it to ourselves.
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:09pm |
re: #176 EdDantes
Energy by cancelling federal oil leases. Investing in non existent green energy. Cancelling the pipeline. Billions to promote unproven green techonogy?
that ain't takin' over no production of nuthin'
investin' and a regulatin' - tain't production
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Schadenfreude 'r' Us Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:17pm |
re: #110 Kung Fughazi
I've got you beat by $10, big spender!
Let's pool our resources and open a petting zoo, in which "petting zoo" is a euphemism for "uncomfortable, inappropriate physical contact."
I gave more than both of you combined... but I'm not proud.
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SteveMcG Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:18pm |
re: #176 EdDantes
Energy by cancelling federal oil leases. Investing in non existent green energy. Cancelling the pipeline. Billions to promote unproven green techonogy?
I think Charles should develop some sort of baseline IQ test to qualify for an account. Minimum score:50.
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JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:46pm |
re: #176 EdDantes
Energy by cancelling federal oil leases. Investing in non existent green energy. Cancelling the pipeline. Billions to promote unproven green techonogy?
Quite possibly the dumbest thing written tonight. And we've seen Dick Morris.
I do like how you had to throw in green energy twice because you couldn't even think of anything else to lie about.
| 188 |
EdDantes Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:49pm |
| 189 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:49pm |
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:52pm |
Seriously, religious wingnuts ought to be worrying. Applying their usual kind of interpretation of recent events they could not conclude other than that their God has abandoned them. Or just doesn't exist after all, which would of course be the more sensible conclusion.
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:52pm |
re: #176 EdDantes
Energy by cancelling federal oil leases. Investing in non existent green energy. Cancelling the pipeline. Billions to promote unproven green techonogy?
Those oil leases were cancelled because the oil industry was sitting on them and not using them.
Green energy does exist.
The existing Keystone pipeline was closed recently due to safety concerns.
Billions are also wasted on oil subsidies.
So...
You appear to have nothing.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:52pm |
re: #176 EdDantes
Energy by cancelling federal oil leases. Investing in non existent green energy. Cancelling the pipeline. Billions to promote unproven green techonogy?
Those aren't examples of a takeover, no. Even if they were true.
Green energy does exist, actually. And yeah, the government needs to promote technologies that the market never will, because that's how progress gets made. Government funds science and tech, then private sector exploits that and makes money. That's how the world goes round.
Are you personally an AGW denier?
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:33:55pm |
Wonder how quick Boehner will be to rephrase this:
Boehner: Election ‘Mandate’ Is For ‘Both Parties To Find Common Ground’
“The American people re-elected the president, and re-elected our majority in the House. If there is a mandate, it is a mandate for both parties to find common ground and take steps together to help our economy grow and create jobs, which is critical to solving our debt. I offer sincere congratulations to President and Mrs. Obama and to Vice President and Dr. Biden. I wish Mitt, Ann, Paul, Janna and their families well, and thank them for having carried the banner of our party and our principles with strength, grace, and courage.”
John, I hate to break it to ya, but you're only leading two things right now: Jack and Shit. And Jack left town.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:34:08pm |
Wow, marriage equality is passing in Washington w/50% reporting. Could now be three states passing it tonight after never passing before.
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) November 7, 2012
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jaunte Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:34:15pm |
Defining green techonogy is a national problem.
| 196 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:34:25pm |
re: #173 ghazidor
Not a peep since this one more than 2 hours ago...
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Can they give up yet Dick?
I'm actually a little worried about Dickie.
Hope is is just getting really, really drunk and not anything worse.
| 197 |
deadmaus Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:34:36pm |
re: #171 Gretchen G.Tiger
Like the Muslims were going to take over the country--Sharia law would be instituted and on and on and on .. .
Yeah, that didn't happen either.
You know how patient are. But that is their intention,but not in 4 years or so that's for sure
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:34:39pm |
re: #171 Gretchen G.Tiger
Like the Muslims were going to take over the country--Sharia law would be instituted and on and on and on .. .
Yeah, that didn't happen either.
I fully expect there to be many despondent wing nuts to turn violent.
The scared ignorant fat old white guys with guns are waking up to the fact that America has moved past them. They will not like it.
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:34:46pm |
re: #176 EdDantes
Energy by cancelling federal oil leases. Investing in non existent green energy. Cancelling the pipeline. Billions to promote unproven green techonogy?
It has been proven that oil dependency keeps us politically & militarily involved in politically unstable parts of the world. Domestic production leads to ecological disasters.
I am willing to take risks in getting away from those.
| 200 |
Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:34:49pm |
On the bright side, Mitt now has a lot of time freed up on "Day One."
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HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:34:51pm |
re: #194 Benghazzy Ben Ross
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I think this is one of the best things to take away from tonight.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:05pm |
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SpaceJesus Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:08pm |
re: #132 Almost Killed by Space Hookers
Oh. Dude. I've been swimming in a sea of this. There is more. Way more.
| 205 |
bratwurst Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:10pm |
It's taking Obama a long time to change into his Eddie Murphy 'Delirious' outfit.— Erik Bergstrom (@Erik_Bergstrom) November 7, 2012
| 206 |
Obdicut Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:18pm |
re: #188 EdDantes
Liberal response well stated.
Do you understand that by selectively replying to only the insulting posts and claiming they're 'typical liberal', you're demonstrating your own selection bias?
It's neat!
| 207 |
engineer cat Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:19pm |
nytimes blue and red by county, 2012
interesting to see some big blue patches in unlikely places
| 208 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:20pm |
Please tell me this is the end of the Tea Party.
| 209 |
Achilles Tang Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:27pm |
re: #132 Almost Killed by Space Hookers
Dear God.
Dear Dear God.
That is the most repulsive thing I've seen in a bit. I always knew the GOP was full of creatures like that but DAMN.
This is a common theme in the far right; namely, government is bad, but government needs to get me a job.
| 210 |
Schadenfreude 'r' Us Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:36pm |
And here he comes! Go, prexy, go!
(And those girls are turning into real heartbreakers.)
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:45pm |
re: #204 SpaceJesus
Oh. Dude. I've been swimming in a sea of this. There is more. Way more.
What are you keeping to yourself? We can handle the truth!!
| 212 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:48pm |
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freetoken Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:53pm |
HuffPo calls the House for the GOP.
Not a big surprise, but I wonder by how much a margin John the Orange will have.
| 214 |
Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:55pm |
| 215 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:55pm |
re: #204 SpaceJesus
Oh. Dude. I've been swimming in a sea of this. There is more. Way more.
I know. Like I said above. I fully expect one of these twits to turn violent.
| 216 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:57pm |
re: #208 HappyBenghazi
Please tell me this is the end of the Tea Party.
Not hardly. If anything, it's gonna stoke their ire and probably result in a resurgence. Look for a leadership battle in the House now.
| 217 |
Mattand Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:35:59pm |
re: #200 Benghazzy Ben Ross
On the bright side, Mitt now has a lot of time freed up on "Day One."
Off-topic: saw your Benghazi screen name earlier. Many LOLs.
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gwangung Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:36:07pm |
re: #176 EdDantes
Energy by cancelling federal oil leases. Investing in non existent green energy. Cancelling the pipeline. Billions to promote unproven green techonogy?
This is not a serious argument. Not when the matter of leases is use 'em or lose 'em. And e whole goddam point of green research was t do the basic research to make it proven.
Idiot.
Go back and do some real research and try again. Try not to bust our intelligence and not regurgitate poorly researched talking points.
You're getting treated poorly here because your effort is execrable.
| 221 |
Kragar Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:36:46pm |
Democrats have voted in Alan Grayson & a woman who pretended to be a Native American on an application. Well done. #TheBlaze2012 #FACEPALM— Glenn Beck (@glennbeck) November 7, 2012
. @stuontheblaze saying we have to get exotic to get Romney in office #TheBlaze2012— Glenn Beck (@glennbeck) November 7, 2012
Get exotic? In other words, lie cheat and steal.
| 222 |
Obdicut Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:37:01pm |
Nate Silver's scientific numeric calculations have reached the final tabulation that his critics can all eat his shit.— Frank Conniff (@FrankConniff) November 7, 2012
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Batman Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:37:07pm |
Romney can finally put away the Etch-A-Sketch an soothe the conflicting voices in his head, and maybe develop a personality.
| 225 |
Amory Blaine Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:37:25pm |
All this talk about "razor thin" was giving the wingnuts false hope.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:37:32pm |
re: #175 Varek Raith
It's all about density.
How about I drop both?
I prefer using a "supernova seed" on a planets existing star, it has the added benefit of reducing all the evidence within a light year or so to subatomic particles.
| 227 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:37:33pm |
re: #197 deadmaus
Oh, nice, subtle bigotry.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:37:39pm |
re: #221 Kragarghazi
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Get exotic? In other words, lie cheat and steal.
And your party nominates people who think rape is acceptable Glenn so kindly fuck off.
| 229 |
Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:37:47pm |
*sigh* When you wingnuts wake up in the morning you'll remember that you didn't really want Mitt in the first place.
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Joanne Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:37:49pm |
re: #176 EdDantes
Energy by cancelling federal oil leases. Investing in non existent green energy. Cancelling the pipeline. Billions to promote unproven green techonogy?
Canceling UNUSED leases.
Green jobs all throughout Iowa and other states.
Didn't cancel the pipeline, postponed it for environmental evaluation. Republicans forced its death.
Green technology businesses failed at 4%. Rodney's businesses failed at 23%.
Next?
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EPR-radar Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:37:54pm |
re: #151 AK-47%
Please put a lit on the biile. THe AMerican people spoke clearly. We all have to accept the results or renouce our citizenship and live elsewhere.
Why not tell us in your words why you think Mitt was un unable to defeat a President who presided over such levels of unemployment and debt?
For what it is worth, it would have been very easy for the GOP to keep me as a reliable R voter. Minimal levels of competence and avoiding a total embrace of the most batshit insane elements of the party would have sufficed.
This did not happen. It has been clear for years that Movement Conservatism is a malignant cult that has taken over the Republican party. I will vote in maximum opposition to the Republican party until this state of affairs changes.
I am not alone, and this is why an incumbent president facing a weak economy won a decisive re-election victory.
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:38:11pm |
re: #208 HappyBenghazi
Please tell me this is the end of the Tea Party.
quite the contrary - i think tonite will mark the beginning of the tea party fatally splitting the republican party in two, ending in them refusing to support the big-business moderate republican nominee of 2016
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Kragar Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:38:18pm |
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Mattand Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:38:29pm |
re: #230 Joanne
Canceling UNUSED leases.
Green jobs all throughout Iowa and other states.
Didn't cancel the pipeline, postponed it for environmental evaluation. Republicans forced its death.
Green technology businesses failed at 4%. Rodney's businesses failed at 23%.
Next?
You go, human of female persuasion!
| 235 |
lostlakehiker Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:38:42pm |
I said in the previous thread that Romney would not claim stolen election---that it would be out of character for him. Spidey senses need to be refined. It's nice to make a prediction and be borne out right away.
| 236 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:38:44pm |
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Mattand Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:38:47pm |
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:38:51pm |
Obama comes on stage to the song "signed, sealed, delivered" lol. :)
| 240 |
deadmaus Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:38:55pm |
Why the hell did Romney have to read his concession speech of cuecards?Made him seem less that sincere. It seems politician are too scared to ad-lib these days.
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:39:03pm |
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Achilles Tang Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:39:15pm |
re: #176 EdDantes
Energy by cancelling federal oil leases. Investing in non existent green energy. Cancelling the pipeline. Billions to promote unproven green techonogy?
Finally you say something. Federal oil leases haven't been cancelled. Green energy is real. "The pipeline" isn't cancelled, it may be built, once the states it moves through approve the route, and it won't do squat to the price of energy, but it will improve the profitability of oil companies that move oil through it.
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Kragar Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:39:21pm |
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:39:31pm |
re: #233 Kragarghazi
TV's Frank is awesome.
Todd Akin & Richard Mourdock have lost. It's becoming a bad night for some of the really rapey Republicans. #mockthevote— Frank Conniff (@FrankConniff) November 7, 2012
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:39:43pm |
re: #198 Almost Killed by Space Hookers
I fully expect there to be many despondent wing nuts to turn violent.
The scared ignorant fat old white guys with guns are waking up to the fact that America has moved past them. They will not like it.
I have some faith --call me Pollyanna--but I think most will realize they need to rethink a lot of their positions. Many will realize their Party left them and will work to bring it back to centerish.
Conservatives are the last to recognizie change. These results are a big wake-up call.
The core Whackos will probably try something, but won't last. I'm thinking they'll try that newly legal pot and decide it's nice to be mellow.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:39:56pm |
So it's my understanding Akin is gone from Congress too. Nice.
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wheat-dogghazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:40:13pm |
United we stand, divided we fall -- good paraphrase
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:40:18pm |
This speech to be followed by Nate Silver's.
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) November 7, 2012
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gwangung Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:40:23pm |
re: #192 Obdicut
Those aren't examples of a takeover, no. Even if they were true.
Green energy does exist, actually. And yeah, the government needs to promote technologies that the market never will, because that's how progress gets made. Government funds science and tech, then private sector exploits that and makes money. That's how the world goes round.
That's how the space program and the Internet went around, too.
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:40:34pm |
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Amory Blaine Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:40:49pm |
re: #225 Amory Blaine
All this talk about "razor
thintight" was giving the wingnuts false hope.
Sorry. Fixed it.
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Kragar Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:40:54pm |
re: #244 Obdicut
[Embedded content]
When you go on record explaining the difference between legitimate and fake rapes, elections have a way of naturally shutting you down.
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:40:59pm |
re: #238 EdDantes
And you ignore any responses to your claims.
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deadmaus Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:41:09pm |
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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:41:19pm |
Call it a night (Mitt), the party's over.
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:41:23pm |
re: #253 Kragarghazi
When you go on record explaining the difference between legitimate and fake rapes, elections have a way of naturally shutting you down.
EdDantes's good guys!
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BongCrodny Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:41:31pm |
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wheat-dogghazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:41:49pm |
re: #254 Varek Raith
Ditto. He only squawks when someone calls him bad names.
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Pawn of the Oppressor Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:42:01pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:42:21pm |
re: #229 Benghazzy Ben Ross
*sigh* When you wingnuts wake up in the morning you'll remember that you didn't really want Mitt in the first place.
So true, good point.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:42:29pm |
Math is the true winner tonight. And gay marriage. And marijuana, apparently. And Elizabeth Warren. But mostly math.— Taylor Lindstrom (@GoodInkInc) November 7, 2012
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:42:30pm |
Captain Teleprompter!
Inb4outdatedwingnutmeme.
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Ayeless in Ghazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:42:50pm |
re: #229 Benghazzy Ben Ross
*sigh* When you wingnuts wake up in the morning you'll remember that you didn't really want Mitt in the first place.
The lesson for the GOP is clear: next time we need a true Christian, just like we figured deep down all along
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EdDantes Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:42:58pm |
re: #242 Achilles Tang
Finally you say something. Federal oil leases haven't been cancelled. Green energy is real. "The pipeline" isn't cancelled, it may be built, once the states it moves through approve the route, and it won't do squat to the price of energy, but it will improve the profitability of oil companies that move oil through it.
Indeed. Shush! The one is speaking!
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Batman Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:43:16pm |
I'm flipping between tabs of Nate's map and the official results and laughing. 100% again.
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:43:44pm |
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Joanne Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:43:50pm |
re: #229 Benghazzy Ben Ross
*sigh* When you wingnuts wake up in the morning you'll remember that you didn't really want Mitt in the first place.
The Oracle has spoken. Word!
p.s. Love the nic!
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HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:43:59pm |
re: #268 Batmanghazi
I'm flipping between tabs of Nate's map and the official results and laughing. 100% again.
I really want to read his baseball and new book now. I'm a baseball stats junkie.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:44:08pm |
re: #267 EdDantes
Indeed. Shush! The one is speaking!
I'm sorry, are we interrupting you? Please, feel free to watch. Just click on another window or something...
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:44:23pm |
re: #240 deadmaus
Why the hell did Romney have to read his concession speech of cuecards?Made him seem less that sincere. It seems politician are too scared to ad-lib these days.
Because he either didn't have it ready or changed it too drastically at the last minute for it to be pre-programmed into the teleprompters. So instead he had to go "old-skool" and read from notes. No politician risks ad-libbing anymore if they can help it.
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:44:33pm |
I'm kidnapping Nate to divine me some lotto numbers!
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:44:48pm |
re: #275 Varek Raith
I'm kidnapping Nate to divine me some lotto numbers!
Screw that, I'm takin' him to Vegas.
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:45:11pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:45:23pm |
re: #231 EPR-radar
For what it is worth, it would have been very easy for the GOP to keep me as a reliable R voter. Minimal levels of competence and avoiding a total embrace of the most batshit insane elements of the party would have sufficed.
This did not happen. It has been clear for years that Movement Conservatism is a malignant cult that has taken over the Republican party. I will vote in maximum opposition to the Republican party until this state of affairs changes.
I am not alone, and this is why an incumbent president facing a weak economy won a decisive re-election victory.
Agreed, I'm usually a 2nd amendment voter. But the insults to my gender far, far outweigh any allegiance I have to, well, any dogma. Either I am a human being under the Law or I am not. If I have no claim to the same civil rights as men, the 2nd Amendment or indeed the entire Constitution has no meaning for me.
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Joanne Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:45:30pm |
re: #234 Kung Fughazi
You go, human of female persuasion!
I remember all kinds of useless shit. Except my phone number. ;-)
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wheat-dogghazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:45:41pm |
"every hill, every valley" -- echoing both Bible and MLKJr. Nice touch
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Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:45:59pm |
re: #276 Targetpractice
Screw that, I'm takin' him to Vegas.
I taking him to my state so I can get him high and then gay marry him.
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BongCrodny Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:46:32pm |
re: #231 EPR-radar
For what it is worth, it would have been very easy for the GOP to keep me as a reliable R voter. Minimal levels of competence and avoiding a total embrace of the most batshit insane elements of the party would have sufficed.
One thing that should be mentioned was the goodwill completely pissed away when the national Republicans started pumping money into the Akin campaign.
I wonder how many borderline women's vote were lost when they decided Akin was so much more important to them than moderate women.
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Amory Blaine Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:46:39pm |
Damn I have no long lost relatives in Colorado...
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:46:52pm |
RT @daveweigel: Bob Menendez, reeling from the damage of that air-tight Daily Caller story, wins re-election by 19 points.
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) November 7, 2012
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:47:18pm |
re: #245 Gretchen G.Tiger
I have some faith --call me Pollyanna--but I think most will realize they need to rethink a lot of their positions. Many will realize their Party left them and will work to bring it back to centerish.
Conservatives are the last to recognizie change. These results are a big wake-up call.
The core Whackos will probably try something, but won't last. I'm thinking they'll try that newly legal pot and decide it's nice to be mellow.
Well I certainly hope you are right.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:47:42pm |
So besides Hillary who should be in the Dem primaries for 2016?
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Joanne Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:48:09pm |
re: #238 EdDantes
Shush. The one is speaking!
OFFS, someone get this guy the waaaaaahmbulance and cart his whiney ass out of here. And give him a loaf of bread and some cheese to go along with his whine. It's going to be a long trip for him.
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:48:11pm |
re: #287 goddamnedfrank
So besides Hillary who should be in the Dem primaries for 2016?
Don't care.
Will care in 2015.
XD
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Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:48:14pm |
re: #287 goddamnedfrank
So besides Hillary who should be in the Dem primaries for 2016?
Nate Silver, obviously.
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deadmaus Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:48:16pm |
re: #274 ghazidor
Because he either didn't have it ready or changed it too drastically at the last minute for it to be pre-programmed into the teleprompters. So instead he had to go "old-skool" and read from notes. No politician risks ad-libbing anymore if they can help it.
Agreed, I lose 50% respect right there, watching them pretend to look left..right..left again. May as well hold a piece of paper directly in front of themselves.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:48:17pm |
re: #287 goddamnedfrank
So besides Hillary who should be in the Dem primaries for 2016?
Biden. He earned it, even if his chief of staff is a scumbag.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:48:43pm |
re: #291 deadmaus
Agreed, I lose 50% respect right there, watching them pretend to look left..right..left again. May as well hold a piece of paper directly in front of themselves.
Why is reading something prepared a bad thing?
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JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:48:46pm |
re: #287 goddamnedfrank
So besides Hillary who should be in the Dem primaries for 2016?
Well, Biden's all but said the words. He's definitely in. I'd have to think Hillary would be the strong favorite if she runs though.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:49:03pm |
re: #282 BongGhazi
One thing that should be mentioned was the goodwill completely pissed away when the national Republicans started pumping money into the Akin campaign.
I wonder how many borderline women's vote were lost when they decided Akin was so much more important to them than moderate women.
one lady caller to C-SPAN tonite said she didn't vote for Obama because of abortion, she also DID not vote for Akin because of Rape.
go figure.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:49:12pm |
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:49:22pm |
re: #238 EdDantes
Shush. The one is speaking!
people who think this should go to daily kos or eschaton some time and hear how obama gets kicked around for not being nearly progressive enuf
drone strikes, didn't put any wall st criminals in jail, etc, etc, etc
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lostlakehiker Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:49:38pm |
re: #151 AK-47%
Please put a lit on the biile. THe AMerican people spoke clearly. We all have to accept the results or renouce our citizenship and live elsewhere.
Why not tell us in your words why you think Mitt was un unable to defeat a President who presided over such levels of unemployment and debt?
Tactially, for this election, the reason is that Romney had to say stuff to win the nomination, and then he couldn't unsay it. TP has taken over the Republican nomination process, not to the point of being able to choose one of its own as nominee, but to the point of making him say things to get the nomination that then doom him in the general election.
But this is it for the Republicans. There won't be any more Republican presidents. As you-all have observed, there's a demographic shift and Texas is going to go purple pretty soon, then blue.
It's one party rule until the Democrats split over some issue not now on the table.
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EPR-radar Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:50:08pm |
re: #278 Gretchen G.Tiger
Agreed, I'm usually a 2nd amendment voter. But the insults to my gender far, far outweigh any allegiance I have to, well, any dogma. Either I am a human being under the Law or I am not. If I have no claim to the same civil rights as men, the 2nd Amendment or indeed the entire Constitution has no meaning for me.
And that what is important about the white, male, straight, Christian hegemony in this country starting to end. The beneficiaries of all this privilege are willfully blind to it --- after all, it is never _their_ civil rights that are up for a vote.
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deadmaus Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:50:30pm |
re: #293 Obdicut
Why is reading something prepared a bad thing?
Its not, but every time they speak is overdoing it. Makes you wonder if the even read and ok it before-hand.
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JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:50:42pm |
Looks like we might not know the fate of the Minnesota gay marriage ban for a while. From a friend in Minnesota on facebook:
CLARIFICATION: Very confusing situation arising with Minnesota ballot numbers. No results from Minneapolis precincts have been included in the Secretary of State voting totals yet, and 6,000 ballots will need to be hand-counted tomorrow at 10 a.m. due to errors with the bar codes on the bottom.
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Achilles Tang Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:50:44pm |
re: #267 EdDantes
Indeed. Shush! The one is speaking!
That is the president of the United States, elected under the constitution of the United States. You seem to have no respect for either.
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:51:28pm |
re: #304 EdDantes
Forward!
Yes, I know it's scary for some of you guys, but the 1950s are gone and dead.
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jaunte Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:51:37pm |
re: #298 engineer cat
people who think this should go to daily kos or eschaton some time and hear how obama gets kicked around for not being nearly progressive enuf
drone strikes, didn't put any wall st criminals in jail, etc, etc, etc
The progressive good feelings about the reelection might last a week before they feel safe for the next four years and start raking Obama over the coals for not doing enough.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:51:50pm |
re: #292 Obdicut
Eegads, no.
Neither Biden or Hillary, both of whom have earned a respectful retirement.
After the 2014 election we'll see how the Democratic Party is holding together, and I'm sure there will be plenty of people to step up to the plate.
But again, and I run the risk of sounding like a broken record, even though a few well known wingnuts in Congress lost tonight, many others did not, and overall the GOP will likely continue to control Congress through 2016. That is why redistricting is so important.
And we don't have any idea of what the economic conditions or international state will be in 4 years. It could be quite terrible.
So it's too early to think about who is next, as far as the Dems are concerned.
The GOP, OTOH, has Ryan and Santorum to lead them for the next 4 years in filling out their support for the eventual run.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:51:50pm |
re: #301 deadmaus
Its not, but every time they speak is overdoing it. Makes you wonder if the even read and ok it before-hand.
They do.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:00pm |
re: #277 Varek Raith
He's probably banned...
He is. They don't allow people who can calculate odds well enough to game the house. Seems awfully unfair to me, but Nevada says it is legal.
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deadmaus Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:05pm |
re: #306 Varek Raith
Yes, I know it's scary for some of you guys, but the 1950s are gone and dead.
That[s a shame in a lot of ways.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:08pm |
"I'm here to tell you all about the Avengers Initiative." - Barack Obama— Mike Drucker (@MikeDrucker) November 7, 2012
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Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:10pm |
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wheat-dogghazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:12pm |
re: #304 EdDantes
What's wrong about going forward?
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:17pm |
ZOMG, he mentioned Global Warming! We are DOOOOOMED!!!!
/
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:24pm |
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Mattand Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:24pm |
We'll see how long this lasts:
Reid Calls On Republicans To Drop Obstruction Strategy In Wake Of Senate Defeat
If EdDantes is any indication, I'm betting 3 days, tops.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:25pm |
Yeah, it's a real shame that the lying bigot didn't win.
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EdDantes Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:36pm |
Thankgodallmighty, our economy is recovering!
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BongCrodny Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:52:52pm |
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freetoken Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:53:09pm |
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:53:14pm |
This was classy on Romney's part:
[Link: twitpic.com...]
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JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:53:31pm |
Don't feed the troll. He's just trying to flounce.....in the weakest, most pussified way possible.
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Batman Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:53:36pm |
re: #238 EdDantes
Shush. The one is speaking!
The one who won. The current and next President of the United States, who is giving his victory speech, as winners of political races are wont to do. That guy is speaking.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:53:51pm |
Tomorrow's New York Post. Of course. twitpic.com/bb0r47
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) November 7, 2012
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EPR-radar Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:53:55pm |
re: #296 Gretchen G.Tiger
one lady caller to C-SPAN tonite said she didn't vote for Obama because of abortion, she also DID not vote for Akin because of Rape.
go figure.
Well, if you want to ban abortion in cases of rape/incest, you're a moral monster.
If you want to ban abortion with rape/incest exceptions, you're a misogynist.
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:53:58pm |
re: #320 EdDantes
Thankgodallmighty, our economy is recovering!
Yes, it is. Slowly. It'd recover faster if GOPers hadn't drunk Ayn Rand koolaid and cut spending during a recession.
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deadmaus Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:54:05pm |
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:54:10pm |
president bronco refuting wingnut myths about progressives and democrats
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:54:23pm |
re: #286 Almost Killed by Space Hookers
Well I certainly hope you are right.
I will also add that most of these old white guys have relatives who are sane enough to realize that violence is not kool. I know a few of them and they take their gun rights very seriously. As angry as they might be at the election results, they would not sanction the use of firearms for illegal activities. I've known family members to remove (by stealth) firearms from the home of *questionable* family members.
Hopefully, that sense of honor will reduce more the numbers of those who may do violence.
Those sovereign citizen whackos --they are the scary few. IIRC, Federal Law enforcement has their number as well.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:54:38pm |
re: #287 goddamnedfrank
So besides Hillary who should be in the Dem primaries for 2016?
ELIZABETH WARREN
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Kragar Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:54:43pm |
13 hours ago...
Those who were hoping to pen the obituary of social conservatives in this election may be surprised. @mattklewis @shannonbream @freddoso— Tony Perkins (@tperkins) November 6, 2012
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:54:44pm |
re: #285 jaunte
Jobs for veterans.
Republicans killed it, 20,000 veterans jobs for 4 years for a measly billion dollars and they killed it.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:54:48pm |
Wingnuts will be ecstatic in the morning when they realize they have four more years of hating Obama in their future.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:55:03pm |
re: #311 deadmaus
That[s a shame in a lot of ways.
Bummer for Republicans, it's a lot harder to suppress the black vote now a days.
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jaunte Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:55:19pm |
re: #334 ghazidor
Republicans killed it, 20,000 veterans jobs for 4 years for a measly billion dollars and they killed it.
The patriotic thing to do./
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:55:36pm |
Florida's Sec of State says as of 152am ET people are STILL voting in Miami-Dade
— Ed Henry (@edhenryTV) November 7, 2012
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Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:55:39pm |
re: #299 lostlakehiker
Tactially, for this election, the reason is that Romney had to say stuff to win the nomination, and then he couldn't unsay it.
Americans are not necessarily politically and ideologically conservative: they simply respond to people who are sincere or at least successfully project that image.
They want someone who will behave in a manner they can predict, someone who adheres to a clear set of principles, even if they do not agree with those principles.
Bush was able to successfully present that image in 2004, Kerry could not.
Mitt did not undersand that simple notion. His etch-a-sketch broke.
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:55:42pm |
re: #334 ghazidor
Republicans killed it, 20,000 veterans jobs for 4 years for a measly billion dollars and they killed it.
EdDantes's good guys!
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:55:46pm |
re: #311 deadmaus
That[s a shame in a lot of ways.
Leave it to beaver was fiction, not a documentary.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:56:33pm |
re: #300 EPR-radar
And that what is important about the white, male, straight, Christian hegemony in this country starting to end. The beneficiaries of all this privilege are willfully blind to it --- after all, it is never _their_ civil rights that are up for a vote.
yup.
as I told the troll in the previous thread --welcome to the reality the rest of us have been living all along.
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deadmaus Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:56:35pm |
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Obdicut Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:56:37pm |
re: #329 deadmaus
Repaired stuff instead of replace ( less waste).
We wasted a ton of stuff in the 1950s too. I don't know that we waste more now. We have a lot more recyclying, for example.
LESS porn )
Who cares?
Seriously, the 1950s also had disenfranchisement and oppression of black citizens, the red scare, and shitloads of jingoism. It's just a decade with good marketing.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:56:54pm |
Patrick
Murphy
50%
159,959
Allen
West
50%
157,578
99% in
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:56:59pm |
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Achilles Tang Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:57:04pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:57:22pm |
re: #301 deadmaus
Its not, but every time they speak is overdoing it. Makes you wonder if the even read and ok it before-hand.
I think you are projecting here.
(that means I think you are being subjective)
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:57:41pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:57:41pm |
re: #345 Benghazzy Ben Ross
Patrick
Murphy
50%
159,959Allen
West
50%
157,578
99% in
Looks like Murphy's going to hang on.
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:57:53pm |
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freetoken Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:58:00pm |
It looks like the Dems will end up with 56 seats in the Senate, counting 2 "independents" who it is expected will caucus with them most of the time.
That will keep the Senate from doing anything stupid, but it will be difficult for Obama to get anything truly innovative passed through Congress. With John the Orange still ruling Congress and a not-filibuster proof majority in the Senate, I expect the next few years to be as unproductive out of DC as the past couple.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:58:04pm |
re: #306 Varek Raith
Yes, I know it's scary for some of you guys, but the 1950s are gone and dead.
***NEWSFLASH***
That mythical version of the 1950's never existed.
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Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:58:19pm |
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:58:57pm |
Big achievement. RT @andreastonez: New Hampshire elects first ever all-woman delegation.
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) November 7, 2012
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HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:59:10pm |
re: #354 Sophghazi, Gingham Style (AKA Bronco Bama)
I haz a happy!
Now if only the guy running against Bachmann can win.
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:59:20pm |
re: #352 freetoken
It looks like the Dems will end up with 56 seats in the Senate, counting 2 "independents" who it is expected will caucus with them most of the time.
That will keep the Senate from doing anything stupid, but it will be difficult for Obama to get anything truly innovative passed through Congress. With John the Orange still ruling Congress and a not-filibuster proof majority in the Senate, I expect the next few years to be as unproductive out of DC as the past couple.
On the plus side, it also means fewer Republicans have to be convinced to cross the aisle in order to break filibusters. And it also means Reid will have no problem reforming the filibuster come January.
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wheat-dogghazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:59:24pm |
re: #347 Achilles Tang
Yeah, some people don't like progress.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:59:45pm |
re: #332 Gretchen G.Tiger
ELIZABETH WARREN
She will only have two thirds of a Senate term to run on and no state legislative experience. I like her but I think at the very least she's going to have to get a spot on the Senate foreign relations committee to make that work.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 10:59:58pm |
It sounds like someone on the MSNBC panel was crying...
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:00:18pm |
re: #362 Benghazzy Ben Ross
It sounds like someone on the MSNBC panel was crying...
Chris.
Gotta be.
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Joanne Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:00:26pm |
re: #320 EdDantes
Thankgodallmighty, our economy is recovering!
36 straight months of growth.
Millions of private sector jobs added.
Stock market more than doubled.
Corporations sitting on trillions in profits.
Yeah, considering what 2008 was, you better believe it!
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:00:44pm |
re: #338 Benghazzy Ben Ross
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So fucked up. Such a misallocation of resources. That shit just doesn't happen here, there's absolutely no excuse for it.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:00:48pm |
Wow. RT @dhenry: Jim Graves is LEADING Michele Bachmann by 1157 votes. 75 percent in. #mn06
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) November 7, 2012
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:01:14pm |
Reality is a bitch, eh Republicans?
Can't unskew that.
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deadmaus Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:01:14pm |
re: #351 Varek Raith
It's fun trying to guess which sock you are.
:)
Neither a sock nor troll. Registered here well before Charles' about turn and mostly just lurk.
| 371 |
Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:01:56pm |
RT @jodikantor: Watching Obama, I really just have one thought: the opposition used everything they had to destroy him and he survived.
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) November 7, 2012
| 372 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:02:01pm |
| 373 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:02:09pm |
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:02:15pm |
re: #370 deadmaus
Neither a sock nor troll. Registered here well before Charles' about turn and mostly just lurk.
Hmmm...
Well, it's not like I haven't put my foot in my mouth before.
| 375 |
Stanghazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:02:18pm |
I planted in front of the TV to watch.
Great as hell acceptance speech.
| 376 |
Batman Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:02:19pm |
I don't know why everyone is celebrating. That unskewedpolls guy hasn't unskewed the election results yet.
| 377 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:02:37pm |
re: #374 Varek Raith
Hmmm...
Well, it's not like I haven't put my foot in my mouth before.
did you take a bite?
| 378 |
JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:02:49pm |
re: #368 Benghazzy Ben Ross
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Right now I'm seeing 78% in and he's winning by 187 votes.
| 379 |
deadmaus Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:03:17pm |
re: #374 Varek Raith
Hmmm...
Well, it's not like I haven't put my foot in my mouth before.
Same here don't worry.
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Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:03:28pm |
| 381 |
Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:03:34pm |
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freetoken Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:03:43pm |
re: #358 Targetpractice
But two of the Republicans Obama would have turned towards to cross the aisle are no longer there, both replaced by people who more often than not will be on his page anyway.
What this means is that McCain, Hatch, Graham, and Collins will be the goto Republicans that Obama will try to convince, and they'll extract high prices on their pet projects.
| 383 |
engineer cat Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:03:50pm |
epitaph for 2012 republican campaign:
Self Inflicted Wounds
| 384 |
Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:03:54pm |
re: #378 JamesWI
Right now I'm seeing 78% in and he's winning by 187 votes.
Yeah, I'm not seeing the numbers he's seeing either. I'm cautiously optimistic.
| 385 |
abolitionist Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:04:22pm |
re: #279 Joanne
I remember all kinds of useless shit. Except my phone number. ;-)
The woman I married gave me her phone # the very evening we met. She got it wrong.
| 386 |
BongCrodny Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:04:35pm |
re: #339 AK-47%
Americans are not necessarily politically and ideologically conservative: they simply respond to people who are sincere or at least successfully project that image.
They want someone who will behave in a manner they can predict, someone who adheres to a clear set of principles, even if they do not agree with those principles.
Bush was able to successfully present that image in 2004, Kerry could not.
Mitt did not undersand that simple notion. His etch-a-sketch broke.
Dr. Bong, astute political analyst, calls this the "stick up your ass" theory.
Americans will vote for the candidate who appears less likely to have a stick up his ass.
Consider:
Obama beat Romney, who looked like he had a stick up his ass.
Obama beat McCain; ditto.
Bush beat both Kerry and Gore, both of whom came across like they had an entire fucking tree up their asses.
Clinton beat Dole, who had a stick up his ass.
Clinton beat George H.W. Bush, who had a bit of a stick up his ass; Bush, in turn, beat Dukakis, who quite possibly had the biggest stick up his ass in modern Presidential politics.
So, yeah -- stick, ass.
| 387 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:04:37pm |
| 388 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:05:16pm |
re: #382 freetoken
But two of the Republicans Obama would have turned towards to cross the aisle are no longer there, both replaced by people who more often than not will be on his page anyway.
What this means is that McCain, Hatch, Graham, and Collins will be the goto Republicans that Obama will try to convince, and they'll extract high prices on their pet projects.
Hence my hopes for a reformed filibuster rule, perhaps in order to finally kill the "two track" system and start requiring Republicans to stand up and keep debate going until they can't anymore, then simply hold a majority vote. Get the system moving again.
| 389 |
goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:05:17pm |
In the 1950's women knew their limits!
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:05:20pm |
re: #385 abolitionist
The woman I married gave me her phone # the very evening we met. She got it wrong.
When that happens to me it's usually not an accident...
| 391 |
dragonath Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:05:57pm |
re: #386 BongGhazi
Dr. Bong, astute political analyst, calls this the "stick up your ass" theory.
Americans will vote for the candidate who appears less likely to have a stick up his ass.
So, yeah -- stick, ass.
I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
| 392 |
sagehen Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:06:00pm |
re: #148 JamesWI
Seriously, if Obama had lost, would any of us had the urge to go crying on wingnut sites about how the world is over? Anyone?
I might be crying, but certainly not in wingnut locales.
| 393 |
JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:06:15pm |
re: #384 Benghazzy Ben Ross
Yeah, I'm not seeing the numbers he's seeing either. I'm cautiously optimistic.
Well, his numbers were probably a little old. But still, it's pretty positive. Before Obama's speech, I was seeing Bachmann up by more than 1,000 votes.
| 394 |
Lidane Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:06:26pm |
After a night of drinking and hoping for the best, all I can say is WOOHOO President Obama! Yay for another four years! :D
| 396 |
Stanghazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:07:06pm |
Night all. I get to go to work as that drunk ass hung over democrat. AGAIN.
Whoo to the whoo. My water cooler point ..already thought it out, as we should never gloat...is that I'm really happy the rapey guys lost....they will say huh? And then I will explain.
| 397 |
Kragar Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:07:07pm |
Freepers are complaining that if only the GOP had listened to Rush, they would have won the election.
| 399 |
jaunte Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:07:40pm |
Goodnight all.
Relief now, sleep in a minute, and morning too soon.
| 400 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:07:55pm |
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EdDantes Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:08:00pm |
re: #366 Joanne
36 straight months of growth.
Millions of private sector jobs added.
Stock market more than doubled.
Corporations sitting on trillions in profits.
Yeah, considering what 2008 was, you better believe it!
Yes, Joanne we are in a golden age. The unemployed are particularly gratified.
| 402 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:08:05pm |
re: #335 Benghazzy Ben Ross
Wingnuts will be ecstatic in the morning when they realize they have four more years of hating Obama in their future.
Pam, Rush, Michelle, Erick, Glenn, Ann, et al really should thank Obama for ensuring the continuation of their extravagant livelihood.
| 403 |
Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:08:07pm |
re: #397 Kragarghazi
Freepers are complaining that if only the GOP had listened to Rush, they would have won the election.
NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH!!!11ty
| 404 |
Kragar Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:08:09pm |
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JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:08:32pm |
LOL....did they purposely find the most ridiculous headset for him to wear?
| 406 |
Varek Raith Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:08:37pm |
re: #397 Kragarghazi
Freepers are complaining that if only the GOP had listened to Rush, they would have won the election.
Still in the denial stage I see.
| 407 |
BongCrodny Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:08:47pm |
re: #352 freetoken
It looks like the Dems will end up with 56 seats in the Senate, counting 2 "independents" who it is expected will caucus with them most of the time.
That will keep the Senate from doing anything stupid, but it will be difficult for Obama to get anything truly innovative passed through Congress. With John the Orange still ruling Congress and a not-filibuster proof majority in the Senate, I expect the next few years to be as unproductive out of DC as the past couple.
Those last few remaining moderate Republicans in the Senate are going to have possibly even more power to influence legislation.
| 408 |
Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:09:39pm |
re: #407 BongGhazi
Those last few remaining moderate Republicans in the Senate are going to have possibly even more power to influence legislation.
They will excercise that at the expense of exerting any influence on their own party...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:09:40pm |
re: #407 BongGhazi
Those last few remaining moderate Republicans in the Senate are going to have possibly even more power to influence legislation.
They will have a window of opportunity while the *sting* of the election results is fresh. Hope they use it.
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BongCrodny Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:09:42pm |
re: #391 dragonath
I am intrigued by your ideas and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Sorry -- shot my whole load right there.
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boredtechindenver Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:09:47pm |
In more good news from CO, Ed Perlmutter kept his House seat, defeating Joe Coors.
| 412 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:10:01pm |
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Kragar Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:10:01pm |
re: #403 Ben G. Hazi
NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH!!!11ty
To: Windy City Conservative
If we followed Limbaugh’s blueprint for candidates, we’d win just about every time. 2010 was a Limbaugh style election and it was a mega sweep.
2012 was a consultant run loss.
---
To: tshaun
Rush is conservative.
You can thank spineless GOP weasels like this idiot for failure.
---
To: Windy City Conservative
IF it hadn’t of been for RUSH, we all would be basket cases. GO RUSH and YOU STAND UP TO ALL THE GARBAGE. AMERICA needs you more than EVER now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Et cetera et cetera
| 414 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:10:09pm |
re: #411 boredtechindenver
In more good news from CO, Ed Perlmutter kept his House seat, defeating Joe Coors.
Speaking of Coors, I'm going to get some Blue Moon.
| 415 |
OhNoZombies! Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:10:14pm |
Sweet Dreams, scaly ones.
See you tomorrow.
| 417 |
EdDantes Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:10:20pm |
Goodnight, all. I leave you to enjoy your victory.
| 418 |
Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:10:38pm |
re: #401 EdDantes
Yes, Joanne we are in a golden age. The unemployed are particularly gratified.
It all comes down to that old political saw, "Are you better off than you were four years ago?" Enough people think that they are, so that's mostly why we don't have a President-elect Romney this morning.
Get over it...your guys lost.
| 419 |
Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:10:56pm |
#UT04 100% reporting, and we've got Blue Dog Jim Matheson up by 3000 votes over highly-touted GOPer Mia Love. No call yet though.
— Daily Kos Elections (@DKElections) November 7, 2012
| 420 |
Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:11:13pm |
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:12:05pm |
Same-sex marriage is to become legal in Maine, Maryland, CNN projects. #CNNElection cnn.com
— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) November 7, 2012
| 422 |
Joanne Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:12:12pm |
re: #401 EdDantes
Yes, Joanne we are in a golden age. The unemployed are particularly gratified.
You expect an immediate turnaround of one of the largest economies on earth overnight? Perhaps had your precious good guys not stymied jobs bills, jobs for veterans bills and everything else Obama tried to get through to grow the economy, we'd see 4% instead of 2.8%.
Talk to the Republicans. Slow growth is on their heads.
| 423 |
Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:12:19pm |
re: #420 Benghazzy Ben Ross
It's delicious.
It tastes like Turkey Hill chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream.
| 424 |
JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:12:29pm |
re: #417 EdDantes
Goodnight, all. I leave you to enjoy your victory.
"Ran out of kleenex, need to drive to the store for more. Hope I can drive with these tears in my eyes"
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:12:43pm |
Bachmann watching the results come intwitpic.com/bb0vmj
— e mcmorris-santoro (@evanmc_s) November 7, 2012
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BongCrodny Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:13:10pm |
re: #404 Kragarghazi
Dr Bong obviously has the wrong avatar
I seriously considered voting for Howard the Duck in the '76 election.
I was beyond apoplectic that Democrats would choose Jimmy Carter over Mo Udall.
| 427 |
Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:13:49pm |
re: #407 BongGhazi
Those last few remaining moderate Republicans in the Senate are going to have possibly even more power to influence legislation.
Lamar! might be one of them.
| 428 |
Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:13:54pm |
California nail-biter: #Prop30 ahead by 0.1% right now. Failure = budget chaos. Passage = possible end to decades-long tax revolt
— Josh Harkinson (@JoshHarkinson) November 7, 2012
| 429 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:15:25pm |
Wow, it's past 1pm in my part of the world. Last time I remember looking it was 10:13pm.
Exciting night!
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GatorsEatsTaters Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:16:37pm |
http://0.tqn.com/d/animatedtv/1/0/T/T/spEP912--Trapped_in_the_Closet--3.jpg
"What happened?"
"Romney locked himself in the closet and won't come out..."
| 432 |
Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:16:43pm |
| 433 |
Kragar Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:16:46pm |
re: #428 Benghazzy Ben Ross
[Embedded content]
Looks like 32 is going down in flames, which was a big one.
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Mattand Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:17:08pm |
re: #423 Ben G. Hazi
It tastes like Turkey Hill chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream.
Turkey Hill Dutch Chocolate or nothing. There will be no argument about this.
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makeitstop Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:17:24pm |
re: #387 Varek Raith
I support nuking hurricanes.
Yes is overrated.
Greedo shot first.
The Force is a disease.
/Diversity of thought!
Pineapple on pizza!
| 436 |
JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:17:56pm |
Bachmann back up about 1,700 votes with 81% in.....damn. Hopefully there's still some heavy Dem areas left.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:18:18pm |
re: #374 Varek Raith
Hmmm...
Well, it's not like I haven't put my foot in my mouth before.
Thats for sure...oh wait...
Go get him Varek!... :p
| 438 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:18:37pm |
re: #436 JamesWI
Bachmann back up about 1,700 votes with 81% in.....damn. Hopefully there's still some heavy Dem areas left.
Damn you'd think the majority of her constituents would be sick of her act.
| 439 |
Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:18:57pm |
re: #434 Kung Fughazi
Turkey Hill Dutch Chocolate or nothing. There will be no argument about this.
Oooh, that's good too, especially with some walnut pieces.
| 441 |
Sol Berdinowitz Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:19:39pm |
Sooooooooo glad this is over with clear results. And a win for my choice of candidate.
Done pontificating here for a while, will still be looking in regularly, but gonna take a break from political blogging for a while.
| 442 |
JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:20:12pm |
re: #438 HappyBenghazi
Damn you'd think the majority of her constituents would be sick of her act.
I think she's been redistricted into what is supposed to be safe territory for a Republican. The fact that it's this close is probably a sign that the few sane Republicans left HAVE gotten sick of her.
| 443 |
goddamnedfrank Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:20:19pm |
So, I wonder what's next for Reince Priebus. Is the GOP going to put him in The Wicker Man?
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Mattand Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:20:33pm |
re: #439 Ben G. Hazi
Oooh, that's good too, especially with some walnut pieces.
How dare you? Dutch Chocolate is perfect as is.
Plus, I'm too lazy to open the walnut bag.
| 446 |
JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:20:49pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:21:16pm |
re: #443 goddamnedfrank
So, I wonder what's next for Reince Priebus. Is the GOP going to put him in The Wicker Man?
Not the bees!!
/
| 448 |
Mattand Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:21:38pm |
re: #443 goddamnedfrank
So, I wonder what's next for Reince Priebus. Is the GOP going to put him in The Wicker Man?
Room 101.
| 449 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:22:05pm |
re: #438 HappyBenghazi
Damn you'd think the majority of her constituents would be sick of her act.
I think there are some pretty hard core gay paranoid mega whacko church types in that constituency.
| 450 |
Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:22:38pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:22:55pm |
re: #445 Kung Fughazi
How dare you?
DutchChocolate is perfect as is.Plus, I'm too lazy to open the walnut bag.
ftfy
| 452 |
BongCrodny Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:23:00pm |
re: #438 HappyBenghazi
Damn you'd think the majority of her constituents would be sick of her act.
Her district's got an 8 point Republican advantage.
The fact it's so close is at least somewhat encouraging.
Maybe after another two years of her nonsense...
| 453 |
Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:23:12pm |
Friends, lizards, countrypersons of unspecified gender, lend me your eyes.
I have had too much champain...champagan...bubbly stuff, and thus I am now sodding off to bed. May you all sleep the sleep of the triumphant, and awake freshened and ready to deal with the nation of whinging fucking crybaby republicans we will surely face on the morrow. Ramen, and Zod bless.
| 454 |
Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:23:29pm |
Boom.
Mia Love loses in Utah.
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) November 7, 2012
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makeitstop Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:23:36pm |
This just in - Mitch McConnell is still an ass hole.
| 457 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:23:46pm |
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:23:51pm |
re: #401 EdDantes
Yes, Joanne we are in a golden age. The unemployed are particularly gratified.
Come on just admit it, Obama inherited an economy that had been utterly crashed by the Republicans. After four years of struggling to avoid depression and get it going again it is finally showing some real signs of life again.
It really pisses you off that it will be Obama in office to get the credit for what he has done instead of a Republican walking in just as things turn around and stealing all the credit for it, doesn't it?
| 459 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:24:09pm |
re: #456 makeitstopghazi
This just in - Mitch McConnell is still an ass hole.
He's afraid of getting primaried.
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BongCrodny Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:24:28pm |
re: #443 goddamnedfrank
So, I wonder what's next for Reince Priebus. Is the GOP going to put him in The Wicker Man?
Michael Steele's probably looking good to more than a few people right now.
| 461 |
JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:25:16pm |
Can't believe they're not calling the Murphy/West race.
99% reporting, Murphy winning by 2,400 votes. One county hasn't fully reported (99%), and they have it tied....I have a hard time thinking West would get ALL the votes in that last polling place.
| 462 |
Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:25:26pm |
No.
Michele Bachmann projected to lose her House seat. tv.msnbc.com/2012/11/06/gop…
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) November 7, 2012
No...
way...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:25:51pm |
re: #458 ghazidor
Come on just admit it, Obama inherited an economy that had been utterly crashed by the Republicans. After four years of struggling to avoid depression and get it going again it is finally showing some real signs of life again.
It really pisses you off that it will be Obama in office to get the credit for what he has done instead of a Republican walking in just as things turn around and stealing all the credit for it, doesn't it?
I think it's more a a rationalization. The fact is that Obama is a black man and the Whacko fringe can't deal with it.
| 464 |
Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:26:29pm |
re: #462 Benghazzy Ben Ross
Andy needs to read the whole article...
UPDATE (2:13 a.m.): With 3% more of the votes in, Bachmann has pulled ahead and is now again the projected winner.
| 465 |
makeitstop Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:26:39pm |
re: #459 HappyBenghazi
He's afraid of getting primaried.
Probably.
I want to see Obama call that turtle-neck douchecanoe out. He should go to war with the House and shame them at every turn. Make them own their radicalism.
McConnell did not win the presidency tonight, Obama did.
| 466 |
BongCrodny Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:26:54pm |
re: #454 Benghazzy Ben Ross
Boom.
[Embedded content]
Mia Love loses in Utah.
Maybe you can't win in Utah with a porn star name.
| 467 |
dragonath Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:27:17pm |
re: #422 Joanne
Eh, I don't really want to play his game. I will say this:
Under Romney's plan, capital gains would have been taxed less than the marginal tax rate. Quite simply, labor would be taxed more than pushing around numbers.
We should all feel grateful we don't have to rely on people like EdDantes for our tax burden.
| 468 |
JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:27:20pm |
re: #462 Benghazzy Ben Ross
No.
[Embedded content]
No...
way...
CNN has Bachmann up 2,300 with 84% in. Wonder if it's all Dem areas left
| 469 |
Girth Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:28:04pm |
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:28:26pm |
re: #468 JamesWI
CNN has Bachmann up 2,300 with 84% in. Wonder if it's all Dem areas left
That's just it, looking at the counties it doesn't seem like she'll lose.
| 471 |
Joanne Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:28:34pm |
re: #449 Gretchen G.Tiger
I think there are some pretty hard core gay paranoid mega whacko church types in that constituency.
Yes, there is. Lots, unfortunately.
| 472 |
wheat-dogghazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:29:14pm |
Minnesota Public Radio also has Bachmann ahead.
| 473 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:29:28pm |
Gosh I remember reading a book right around the time of Bush's re-election called The Emerging Democratic Majority. I need to re-read that. As I recall the authors really made some good arguments for what has since happened.
| 474 |
JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:30:38pm |
re: #470 Benghazzy Ben Ross
That's just it, looking at the counties it doesn't seem like she'll lose.
Yeah, I don't know enough about those counties to know whether there are pockets of Dems there. All of my time in Minnesota was spent in the Twin Cities. Never really had the urge to go to places that would actually vote for Michelle Bachmann.
| 475 |
Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:30:38pm |
Still, West and Walsh gone. 2 outta 3 ain't bad.
| 476 |
dragonath Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:30:49pm |
One maliciously insane congressman out, but an insane congressman with a penchant for shooting herself in the foot survives.
I could almost live with this.
| 477 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:31:34pm |
| 478 |
Joanne Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:31:50pm |
| 479 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:31:54pm |
Wish I could get a break from this stuff but we have a governor's election next fall. Maybe Mitt's failing here will make the GOP think twice about nominating a nutso like Cuccinneli. Nah.......
| 480 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:31:55pm |
Fox bringing up all the "irregularities" in the election, right now harping about the mural in the one school, "It is just like what they do in communist countries!"
"No President has ever been re-elected in such abysmal economic conditions," but now we know why "according to exit polls more than half blamed the countries economic condition on president bush."
Etc, etc, etc, this is nauseatingly blatant propaganda, why does anyone listen to this crap?
| 481 |
Girth Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:31:57pm |
re: #464 Benghazzy Ben Ross
Andy needs to read the whole article...
UPDATE (2:13 a.m.): With 3% more of the votes in, Bachmann has pulled ahead and is now again the projected winner.
Minnesota 6...Boo.
| 482 |
Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:32:45pm |
re: #474 JamesWI
Yeah, I don't know enough about those counties to know whether there are pockets of Dems there. All of my time in Minnesota was spent in the Twin Cities. Never really had the urge to go to places that would actually vote for Michelle Bachmann.
I don't much either, but you see the way they're trending and it just doesn't look like she's going to lose.
Ah well, more than enough happened tonight to make me happy.
| 483 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:32:52pm |
re: #476 dragonath
One maliciously insane congressman out, but an insane congressman with a penchant for shooting herself in the foot survives.
I could almost live with this.
IIRC, she holds seat on the Defense Committee (I think it's defense).
She has no business being there. She thinks Muslims are akin to devil worshipers--remember.
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JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:33:09pm |
re: #480 ghazidor
Fox bringing up all the "irregularities" in the election, right now harping about the mural in the one school, "It is just like what they do in communist countries!"
"No President has ever been re-elected in such abysmal economic conditions," but now we know why "according to exit polls more than half blamed the countries economic condition on president bush."
Etc, etc, etc, this is nauseatingly blatant propaganda, why does anyone listen to this crap?
"No President has ever been re-elected in such abysmal economic conditions".....Um....wasn't the economy ....still pretty bad....after FDR's first term?
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HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:33:10pm |
Well that sucks. I bet you the Dems target that seat hard in 2014 though.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:33:31pm |
re: #483 Gretchen G.Tiger
IIRC, she holds seat on the Defense Committee (I think it's defense).
She has no business being there. She thinks Muslims are akin to devil worshipers--remember.
Intelligence I believe but yes.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:34:03pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:34:30pm |
re: #484 JamesWI
"No President has ever been re-elected in such abysmal economic conditions".....Um....wasn't the economy ....still pretty bad....after FDR's first term?
But, b,b,b,b, FDR was a (SOCIALIST) HE RUINED THIS COUNTRY.
(pretend I typed that in purple, comic sans)
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dragonath Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:34:35pm |
Well the face of GOP intelligence for the next 4 years. Ain't that dandy.
Boehner really has his work cut out for him.
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JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:34:46pm |
Now 85% in, Bachmann's lead down to 1,900.......hmmmm
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Targetpractice Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:35:04pm |
re: #480 ghazidor
Fox bringing up all the "irregularities" in the election, right now harping about the mural in the one school, "It is just like what they do in communist countries!"
"No President has ever been re-elected in such abysmal economic conditions," but now we know why "according to exit polls more than half blamed the countries economic condition on president bush."
Etc, etc, etc, this is nauseatingly blatant propaganda, why does anyone listen to this crap?
Personally think that a rather glaring indictment of how badly the GOP fucked themselves over, that even with UE over 7.2%, the historical high for modern elections, they still lost by such a strong margin to Obama. He didn't scrape by the skin of his teeth, he won pretty comfortably.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:35:26pm |
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makeitstop Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:35:41pm |
re: #483 Gretchen G.Tiger
IIRC, she holds seat on the Defense Committee (I think it's defense).
Ironically, she's on the Intelligence Committee.
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Joanne Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:35:41pm |
re: #483 Gretchen G.Tiger
IIRC, she holds seat on the Defense Committee (I think it's defense).
She has no business being there. She thinks Muslims are akin to devil worshipers--remember.
Bachmann's on the Intelligence committee. (Insert laughter here)
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:35:57pm |
re: #490 JamesWI
Now 85% in, Bachmann's lead down to 1,900.......hmmmm
Don't get your hopes up. Let the words "Allen West" and "defeat" keep you warm tonight.
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BongCrodny Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:36:56pm |
Favorite comment from the YouTube video of Mitt's concession speech:
Dear American Citizens, Thank You.
Sincerely, Canada.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:37:01pm |
FWIW, at current count Obama is winning San Diego county by 1000 votes.
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boredtechindenver Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:38:57pm |
Seriously, MSNBC? A reporter named Krystal Ball on election night?
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boxhead Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:39:34pm |
Why does the GOP assign the most inept legislators to very important committee positions? That alone should be proof that the GOP is not serious about working towards a better USA.
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JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:39:36pm |
Looks like the Bachmann race will come down to "Sherburne County." Currently only 43% reporting....I'll have to look it up quickly to see if I can find out anything about their politics
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freetoken Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:39:46pm |
With all precincts reporting in San Francisco county, Romney got 13.5% of the votes there.
I'm surprised he got that many. Perhaps masochism is more popular there than I had thought.
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:40:32pm |
re: #475 Targetpractice
Still, West and Walsh gone. 2 outta 3 ain't bad.
Ryan got reelected though...seems he hedged his bets well.
*spit*
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engineer cat Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:40:34pm |
dear fox news victims
remember all those people confidently predicting a romney landslide just a few days ago?
THEY ARE ALSO LYING TO YOU ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE
this has been a public service announcement from Reality Has A Liberal Bias
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BongCrodny Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:40:46pm |
No Allen West.
No Joe Walsh.
No Todd Akin
No Richard Mourdock.
No Tommy Thompson.
This is one seriously *great* night.
I can live with Michelle Bachmann squeaking by.
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makeitstop Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:41:00pm |
re: #499 boxhead
Why does the GOP assign the most inept legislators to very important committee positions? That alone should be proof that the GOP is not serious about working towards a better USA.
Incredibly, they're probably the least inept.
Let that sink in a minute. Scary thought.
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makeitstop Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:41:49pm |
re: #504 BongGhazi
No Allen West.
No Joe Walsh.
No Todd Akin
No Richard Mourdock.
No Tommy Thompson.This is one seriously *great* night
I can live with Michelle Bachmann squeaking by.
No Mitt Romney!
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JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:42:03pm |
re: #500 JamesWI
Looks like the Bachmann race will come down to "Sherburne County." Currently only 43% reporting....I'll have to look it up quickly to see if I can find out anything about their politics
Also, Wright County. Missed that one when I looked, looks like it probably has a bigger chance of affecting the election.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:42:10pm |
re: #504 BongGhazi
No Allen West.
No Joe Walsh.
No Todd Akin
No Richard Mourdock.
No Tommy Thompson.This is one seriously *great* night
I can live with Michelle Bachmann squeaking by.
No George Allen. That was key for me.
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:42:34pm |
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DREd Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:42:47pm |
The fox people are just yelling at each other right now. It's delicious.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:42:50pm |
Honestly, I don't understand the deal with Bachmann. Who had the bright idea to put her in politics or her original law job with the IRS.
I saw her give testimony a long time ago on a C-SPAN broadcast of a hearing about--something to do with children/foster care system or something. She was wonderful. Of all the whacko a fetus-is-a-person politicans out there, I have to give credit where credit is due. She and her husband have actually have taken in foster children. Where most anti-abortion people wouldn't dream of adopting or fostering even one of those children.
She would have been wonderful in Family Law, Guardian Ad Litem, whatever --and I think that is where her heart is. She would also have been exposed to REALITY.
As it is her world view is now so twisted, I don't think she could even be effective in family law.
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Joanne Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:42:53pm |
re: #498 boredtechindenver
Seriously, MSNBC? A reporter named Krystal Ball on election night?
She's a cohost on The Cycle. Very smart gal.
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plansbandc Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:43:04pm |
Wow. My former pretending to be moderate Republican friends are dropping the facade and tweeting some seriously racist crap. Very very sad.
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makeitstop Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:43:37pm |
re: #509 Ben G. Hazi
We still have to suffer with Ryan in the HR though.
Better there than the VP residence.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:44:12pm |
re: #499 boxhead
Why does the GOP assign the most inept legislators to very important committee positions? That alone should be proof that the GOP is not serious about working towards a better USA.
I think my usual term of Whackos is going to have to have a sub-grouping of "Rapturists".
They seem to be strategically placing Rapturists where they think it is necessary. Scary shit, IMHO.
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Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:44:38pm |
re: #514 makeitstopghazi
Better there than the VP residence.
True, but expect the Ryan Plan to make a comeback after the dust settles.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:44:50pm |
re: #512 Joanne
She's a cohost on The Cycle. Very smart gal.
She is. And her parents actually named her that, so it's not her fault.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:44:53pm |
It's kinda sad how the areas of Pennsylvania that once made my family reliable Democrats are now with the exception of Allegheny County turning to the right. Oh well, still love ya Western Pa.
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boxhead Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:44:55pm |
re: #505 makeitstopghazi
Incredibly, they're probably the least inept.
Let that sink in a minute. Scary thought.
And I was feeling good a minute ago... LOL but all jokes aside, there truly are better folks. The GOP leadership is fucked up.
| 520 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:45:13pm |
re: #503 engineer cat
dear fox news victims
remember all those people confidently predicting a romney landslide just a few days ago?
THEY ARE ALSO LYING TO YOU ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE
this has been a public service announcement from Reality Has A Liberal Bias
so stealing that and posting on my fb
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wheat-dogghazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:45:29pm |
U.S. House District 6
85.4% reporting
Vote % Votes
GOP Michele Bachmann 50.3% 146,208
DFL Jim Graves 49.7% 144,344
Source: Associated Press
Sorry about formatting. 1,864 votes difference
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:46:17pm |
re: #510 DREd
The fox people are just yelling at each other right now. It's delicious.
I'm surprised that haven't all gone home and just put up an image of the flag for the rest of the night.
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JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:46:36pm |
Yeah, doesn't look like I'll be able to find any good info on the politics of those MN counties....guess I'll just have to cross my fingers.
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boxhead Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:47:12pm |
re: #515 Gretchen G.Tiger
I think my usual term of Whackos is going to have to have a sub-grouping of "Rapturists".
They seem to be strategically placing Rapturists where they think it is necessary. Scary shit, IMHO.
You may be correct.... but why, the real GOP leadership surely do not buy that cause they are evil. I guess I could hazard a guess.... pandering...
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freetoken Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:47:14pm |
It looks like the GOP will end up with 44 Senate seats. The RNC and their talking heads all bragged that they would "take back" the Senate, but the truly troglodyte GOP candidates destroyed that.
44 seats is not enough to cause the Senate to undertake any stupid agendas, but it is enough to stop President Obama from having any aggressive legislative agenda, as the filibuster will be available to GOP to use and they will not hesitate to use it.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:47:33pm |
re: #523 JamesWI
Yeah, doesn't look like I'll be able to find any good info on the politics of those MN counties....guess I'll just have to cross my fingers.
Cravack lost. Not familiar with him at all really but a college friend of mine has been in Minnesota working hard for his opponent.
| 527 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:48:30pm |
2014's gonna be an interesting year. Hopefully we won't get a case of amnesia again and fall for stupid idiots claiming only they understand the values of the Founding Fathers.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:49:10pm |
Markos is an excellent troll.
Did you give up? RT @dickmorristweet: #election2012 dont give up!
— Markos Moulitsas (@markos) November 7, 2012
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Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:50:23pm |
re: #524 boxhead
You may be correct.... but why, the real GOP leadership surely do not buy that cause they are evil. I guess I could hazard a guess.... pandering...
There are really some whacked-out Rapturists out there, and if any part of "The Family" is really out there, it's scarier than Hell on Earth. Truly brainwashed people, but yes, I think you are correct. They are puppets.
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freetoken Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:50:29pm |
Behold the power of redistricting.
If all the seats still leaning towards the GOP finish that way, the GOP will have 238 members, down only 4 from their 242 current count.
So no, nothing is going to change in Congress.
Take solace in West being booted, but that is one of the few victories tonight as far as Congress is concerned.
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Joanne Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:51:48pm |
Allen West Defeated By Patrick Murphy In Florida tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/11/allen-... via @tpm— Eric Darcman (@Darcman) November 7, 2012
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HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:52:46pm |
re: #531 Joanne
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I'll drink a shot of whiskey to him. Seriously could you have a more Irish sounding name? Seriously though. This is great.
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wheat-dogghazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:52:49pm |
Bachmann now leading with 1612 votes with 86.4% counted. (AP)
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The Questionable Timing of a Flea Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:52:58pm |
re: #515 Gretchen G.Tiger
I think my usual term of Whackos is going to have to have a sub-grouping of "Rapturists".
They seem to be strategically placing Rapturists where they think it is necessary. Scary shit, IMHO.
There's no "seems" to it. The Family...Dominionism...Christian Nationalism. All of these movements (which overlap) open talk about taking control of this nation and fundamentally alerting it to reflect their social conservative, Christian-chauvanist worldview. Not at all hidden.
| 535 |
Big Joe Ghazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:53:25pm |
No doubt on the popular vote now that the west has spoken.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:54:03pm |
RT @daveweigel: Minnesota's gay marriage ban has failed. That's a 4-0 victory for gay marriage supporters today.
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) November 7, 2012
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Amory Blaine Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:54:09pm |
There was a sound rejection of Romney and wingnuts as well. They have no political capital.
| 538 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:55:13pm |
re: #536 Benghazzy Ben Ross
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I think this makes me the most happy. Happy for my friends and family. There is no good reason why gay marriage should be barred.
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JamesWI Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:56:01pm |
re: #530 freetoken
Behold the power of redistricting.
If all the seats still leaning towards the GOP finish that way, the GOP will have 238 members, down only 4 from their 242 current count.
So no, nothing is going to change in Congress.
Take solace in West being booted, but that is one of the few victories tonight as far as Congress is concerned.
I'm not foolish enough to think there will be any monumental change in Congress, but I do have a little hope that the more politically aware Republicans notice the likes of West/Walsh/(maybe)Bachmann losing in the House, the trolls losing in the Senate, and the changing demographics of this nation........and realize that redistricting will only protect the crazy for so long.
| 540 |
Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:56:44pm |
re: #523 JamesWI
Yeah, doesn't look like I'll be able to find any good info on the politics of those MN counties....guess I'll just have to cross my fingers.
re: #521 wheat-dogghazi
U.S. House District 6
85.4% reporting
Vote % Votes
GOP Michele Bachmann 50.3% 146,208
DFL Jim Graves 49.7% 144,344Source: Associated Press
Looking through Politico's historical map all way back to 2002, Bachmann's district has been consistently GOP, though this year is the tightest race of them all.
Good luck, Graves, you'll need it...
/G-d help us all
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dragonath Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:57:11pm |
re: #536 Benghazzy Ben Ross
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That would not have happened 4 years ago. Change.
Good.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:57:32pm |
Chris Matthews: I'm so glad we had that storm last week.
Christ, man...
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HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:57:51pm |
re: #541 dragonath
That would not have happened 4 years ago. Change.
Good.
This is part of why it was important for Obama to come out in favor of gay marriage.
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Four More Tears Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:58:17pm |
re: #542 Benghazzy Ben Ross
Chris Matthews: I'm so glad we had that storm last week.
Christ, man...
HE FUCKING SAID THAT!
| 545 |
Ben G. Hazi Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:58:32pm |
re: #537 Amory Blaine
There was a sound rejection of Romney and wingnuts as well. They have no political capital.
Boehner the Orange is already playing the "Obama has no mandate" card.
Fucking obstructionist dick...
| 546 |
makeitstop Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:59:02pm |
re: #537 Amory Blaine
There was a sound rejection of Romney and wingnuts as well. They have no political capital.
Yes, and Obama should aggressively press that advantage.
Call them out. Often. Make them own their radicalism, and let there be no mistaking who is holding up what.
If Bush earned a mandate in 2004, Obama earned one tonight. He's a smart guy, he'll use it.
| 547 |
DisturbedEma Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:59:04pm |
so glad Thompson went down. . fucker. . .outsourcer. . .lobby whore. . .
| 548 |
deadmaus Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:59:29pm |
re: #538 HappyBenghazi
]Benghazzy Ben Ross'
Btw, GGR, one of ( if no the ) my favorite movies..simply brilliant.
| 549 |
freetoken Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:59:30pm |
As far as the popular vote is concerned, unless turnout was way down this year (possible still), Obama has around 5 million more votes waiting for him to be counted here in California alone.
| 550 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:59:36pm |
Well guys still a lot of work still to be done but I am looking forward to taking a break from politics. I'm looking forward to the book and movie about this election.
| 551 |
boredtechindenver Tue, Nov 6, 2012 11:59:57pm |
re: #512 Joanne
She's a cohost on The Cycle. Very smart gal.
Oh, She was very good on her segment. It is the name. She should go work for Nate Silver.
| 552 |
Ben G. Hazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:00:27am |
re: #550 HappyBenghazi
Well guys still a lot of work still to be done but I am looking forward to taking a break from politics. I'm looking forward to the book and movie about this election.
Game Change II: The Obamaning
///
| 553 |
Joanne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:00:52am |
RT @utaustinliberal: Hey @mittromney; Pres. Obama's victory - We Built That. Your defeat - You Built That.— SpreadTheWord (@word_34) November 7, 2012
| 554 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:00:54am |
| 555 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:01:39am |
re: #534 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea
There's no "seems" to it. The Family...Dominionism...Christian Nationalism. All of these movements (which overlap) open talk about taking control of this nation and fundamentally alerting it to reflect their social conservative, Christian-chauvanist worldview. Not at all hidden.
I know the organization is real. I just have a hard time getting all conspiracy-creepy about it.
Mostly I think the whole idea is out of a bad Sci-Fi novel. Like some L. Ron Hubbard scientology wannabe. It's so hard not to make jokes about it.
Like Kilgore's frogs. You know, they could just be waiting to be a blight to the entire West Coast. I could go on and on in that strain. Oh, and Sleeping Beauty is really in the Black Forest just waiting for --well you know. . . .
;)
| 556 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:02:24am |
re: #542 Benghazzy Ben Ross
Chris Matthews: I'm so glad we had that storm last week.
Christ, man...
WHAT? Did he really say that?
| 557 |
JamesWI Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:02:51am |
re: #540 Ben G. Hazi
re: #521 wheat-dogghazi
Looking through Politico's historical map all way back to 2002, Bachmann's district has been consistently GOP, though this year is the tightest race of them all.
Good luck, Graves, you'll need it...
/G-d help us all
Well, really it just comes down to whether the polling places that are left to report are the Dem-leaning areas in an otherwise Republican-heavy area. There's certainly the chance that this is the case, since it always seems like Dem areas are reporting later than the Republican areas.
I wouldn't bet any money on her losing, but it's certainly not out of the question yet, and there will definitely be a recount unless she gains a TON of votes in the last precincts.
| 558 |
deadmaus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:03:07am |
re: #548 deadmaus
Glengarry Glen Ross, it bears repeating seeing as it seemed to be relatively unheard of.
| 559 |
DREd Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:03:14am |
The RNC could run on a platform of race baiting, nativist, sexist, science denying, Christian supremacist, economically illiterate bullshit for a long time by just getting a huge majority of the white male vote. But that doesn't fly anymore. So where do they go from here?
And Obama gets victory in Virginia by a huge margin.
| 561 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:03:48am |
re: #539 JamesWI
Look, in 2010 the GOP nominated some real whackos for Senate (remember Delaware and Nevada?) but that didn't stop more of them being nominated this year.
The "more politically aware" Republicans can't escape the fate of the general party strategy - reach out to the revanchist and reactionary elements in the American populace, which are numerous.
| 562 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:04:03am |
While I am still thinking of it I want to remember to thank Mitt for selecting Paul Ryan as his running mate.
From the moment he did so he spent at least half of his time attempting to defend the ridiculous Ryan budget plan. It might not have been his plan but by picking Ryan he was rightfully seen as having endorsed all the things that Ryan wanted.
I also want to thank the idiot pundits that convinced Romney that he had to choose Ryan to get the wingnut vote. From the outside it is obvious that he would have received their vote anyway due to ODS and tribalism, so I'm glad they managed to convince Romney otherwise.
The entire complexion of the race would have been changed if he had chosen Christie or Rubio as a running mate. Neither of them would have come with the evangelical extremist, anti-abortion/life at conception, fuck the poor, destroy the social safety net bonafides that Ryan brought to the table.
So thank you Mr. Romney, really I mean it, your selection of Ryan allowed us to define you exactly how we most wanted to and tied your hands when you tried to deny it. Your choice was almost as inspired as McCain's' selection of Palin was from a democratic point of view. Thank you for helping us so much in our efforts to defeat you.
P.S. PUTZ!
| 563 |
Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:04:18am |
re: #556 Gretchen G.Tiger
WHAT? Did he really say that?
YES! I went back on the DVR twice. Word for fucking word.
| 564 |
Ben G. Hazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:04:42am |
re: #554 HappyBenghazi
Game Change II: Mitt's Folly.
C'mon, mine's better...wouldn't you want to see President Obama and Mitt face off in a sword fight with claymores?
I would totally pay to see President Obama scream, "There can be only one!"
///
| 565 |
Ben G. Hazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:05:41am |
re: #558 deadmaus
Glengarry Glen Ross, it bears repeating seeing as it seemed to be relatively unheard of.
Directed by that now-uncloseted shithead David Mamet.
Great director, lousy human being.
| 566 |
boredtechindenver Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:05:53am |
Nate Silver's Map:
[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]
FNC map:
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
The only state that FNC hasn't called yet is FL, but other than that, they both match up. So, why are Nate's EC numbers different?
FNC has EC at 306 to 203, with FL adding 29 for 538. Nate has EC numbers at 313 to 225. Am I missing something?
| 567 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:06:09am |
re: #563 Benghazzy Ben Ross
YES! I went back on the DVR twice. Word for fucking word.
Ok, well . . .Chris, you should not drink and go on the air.
| 568 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:06:19am |
re: #564 Ben G. Hazi
C'mon, mine's better...wouldn't you want to see President Obama and Mitt face off in a sword fight with claymores?
I would totally pay to see President Obama scream, "There can be only one!"
///
Why not? Seriously though. The book on this is going to be awesome. I want to get the fly inside the Romney campaign's view on things like the 47% gaffe being released to teh public, the repeated lies about Chrysler, etc.
| 569 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:06:44am |
re: #498 boredtechindenver
Seriously, MSNBC? A reporter named Krystal Ball on election night?
Sounds like a stripper with only one over-sized breast.
"Now introducing Krystal Ball!"
///
| 570 |
Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:08:04am |
So uh, who, they're burning Obama signs at Ole Miss wmctv.com/story/20025451… twitter.com/BuzzFeedBen/st…
— Ben Smith (@BuzzFeedBen) November 7, 2012
| 571 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:08:30am |
re: #566 boredtechindenver
You're still looking at probability projections at the 538 blog, which are now all OBE.
Romney ended up with 206 EC votes.
| 572 |
goddamnedfrank Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:08:54am |
re: #566 boredtechindenver
Nate Silver's Map:
[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]
FNC map:
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
The only state that FNC hasn't called yet is FL, but other than that, they both match up. So, why are Nate's EC numbers different?
FNC has EC at 306 to 203, with FL adding 29 for 538. Nate has EC numbers at 313 to 225. Am I missing something?
Nate's EC estimate is a mean average of the various simulations, not a mode. It doesn't necessarily predict an actual result.
| 573 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:09:24am |
And Fox probably hasn't given Mitt Alaska yet, which is a sure bet.
| 574 |
Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:09:36am |
Okay, it's time for me to sign off and get some sleep.
| 575 |
Joanne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:09:38am |
Night all. Great night! I hope I wake up to no more Bachmann.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:09:44am |
re: #570 Benghazzy Ben Ross
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I actually saw a documentary about Ole Miss and James Meredith not that long ago. Seems some things just won't change.
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freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:10:40am |
As for Florida, it's almost all counted but three counties are not done yet, and the two largest of them are strongly Democratic, so as far as I'm concerned it's a lock for Obama.
| 579 |
JamesWI Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:11:27am |
re: #561 freetoken
Look, in 2010 the GOP nominated some real whackos for Senate (remember Delaware and Nevada?) but that didn't stop more of them being nominated this year.
The "more politically aware" Republicans can't escape the fate of the general party strategy - reach out to the revanchist and reactionary elements in the American populace, which are numerous.
Well, in 2010 they gained seats, so the crazies had what they considered a compelling argument that their crazy is what worked.
Now the crazies have been mostly shot down. I don't doubt the crazy in the Party will stay strong for a while now, but I don't think incremental change in the Republican Party is out of the question.
A few defections here and there on certain issues where some Republicans know they don't have to pay 100% fealty to the crazy.
I doubt that we're going to see another four years where there is absolute, uniform, solidarity among ALL Republican Congressmen/women. I think the split is coming between the Establishment types and the Tea Party types. It will still be ridiculously partisan and incredibly ineffective, but some of the establishment-types can probably see the writing on the wall.
| 580 |
Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:11:55am |
I have to sleep.
Have a great Wednesday all!
And thanks for putting up with me this election cycle. I truly appreciate it.
| 581 |
Big Joe Ghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:13:47am |
| 582 |
boredtechindenver Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:13:57am |
Sorry, some numeric dyslexia there, 303 to 206. Still, if he looks at his projections on a per state basis, the EC votes need to match up. You can't project 313 EC votes, if that doesn't match your state projections.
| 583 |
JamesWI Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:14:19am |
87% in, Bachmann's lead now down to about 1,400 (was 1,900 with 85% reporting)
| 584 |
Kragar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:14:33am |
@bryanjfischer Hmm let me guess..is this Mike Pence of yours an utter c*nt by any chance?!— rwillmsen (@rwillmsen) November 7, 2012
| 585 |
boredtechindenver Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:17:15am |
Fox has projected Alaska for Romney. Again, the only missing EC votes on FNC are for FL. Even MSNBC is behind the FNC projections. I am thinking that the main talking heads on FNC are delusional, but their numbers guys appear to be very good, (if kept out of sight until tonight).
Edited to add:
FNC, Good Number people, shitty spin.
| 586 |
JamesWI Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:20:38am |
re: #585 boredtechindenver
Fox has projected Alaska for Romney. Again, the only missing EC votes on FNC are for FL. Even MSNBC is behind the FNC projections. I am thinking that the main talking heads on FNC are delusional, but their numbers guys appear to be very good, (if kept out of sight until tonight).
Just looking at the county numbers, it seems clear that Miami-Dade has way more votes left than the Republican counties. Wonder if they're just holding off calling Florida because they know M-D isn't counting them until tomorrow.
| 587 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:21:06am |
re: #585 boredtechindenver
If you look at Florida in detail, only two counties are reporting that they are not finished counting, of which the largest is the largest in the state - Miami-Dade county, which is strong Obama territory.
| 588 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:22:13am |
I think they underestimated the Hispanic vote again. I hope Obama approaches with immigration reform. GOP has to know what the writing on the wall here is.
| 589 |
DREd Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:22:18am |
re: #587 freetoken
Not that it matters, but Obama is going to win Florida too
| 590 |
Barflytom Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:24:58am |
What a disaster !
No doubt all you lefties are pleased at Obama getting re-elected.
Good luck to you.
I'm sure all the people who live at the expense of others will do reasonably well for a few more years, but it won't last forever.
Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of my business, but I'm not going to bother now. I met two other chaps tonight who are going to stop recruiting any more people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.
It seems that turkeys really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas.
| 591 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:25:12am |
re: #589 DREd
Not that it matters, but Obama is going to win Florida too
No doubt about it.
It's like the ND Senate seat race. HuffPo isn't calling it, but the only votes left to be counted are in one county, which is not very populated, and the leader in the race is ahead of the Republican by several thousand votes, which is probably more than all the registered voters in that county which isn't finished counting yet.
But for some reason it is still not decided, in some dreary eyed online editor's opinion.
| 592 |
JamesWI Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:25:24am |
Just had to do a little trolling of the Daily Caller "journalist" who wrote up that yawn-worthy, Drudge-hyped story on Senator Menendez.
@mboyle1 Man, your GROUND-BREAKING story on Senator Menendez really changed the election!Congrats!You are a true paragon of journalism!
— James C (@JCBadger34) November 7, 2012
I'm guessing that'll get me blocked :)
| 593 |
JamesWI Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:25:55am |
re: #590 Barflytom
What a disaster !
No doubt all you lefties are pleased at Obama getting re-elected.
Good luck to you.
I'm sure all the people who live at the expense of others will do reasonably well for a few more years, but it won't last forever.
Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of my business, but I'm not going to bother now. I met two other chaps tonight who are going to stop recruiting any more people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.
It seems that turkeys really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas.
Your tears....they're so yummy.
| 594 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:26:38am |
re: #590 Barflytom
You've probably not read a damn thing some of us have written here tonight.
And by the way, you too are living "at the expense of others", and your unwillingness to admit that to yourself is based on your own need to put yourself above others in your own rather sad eyes.
| 595 |
JamesWI Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:28:18am |
88% reporting, Bachmann's lead now down to 1,100......... it keeps shrinking, and keeps getting my hopes up
| 596 |
Ben G. Hazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:30:39am |
re: #590 Barflytom
What a disaster !
No doubt all you lefties are pleased at Obama getting re-elected.
Good luck to you.
I'm sure all the people who live at the expense of others will do reasonably well for a few more years, but it won't last forever.
Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of my business, but I'm not going to bother now. I met two other chaps tonight who are going to stop recruiting any more people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.
It seems that turkeys really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas.
Now I know that you're talking out of your ass; if you really are a decent businessperson and business is good, would you really handicap yourself just so you can spite President Obama and libruls?
I'm guessing the only business dealings you are involved in involve Jack and shit...and Jack left town.
| 597 |
dragonath Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:31:01am |
Some people don't even have to drink to post drunk.
| 598 |
boredtechindenver Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:32:12am |
| 599 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:32:21am |
re: #597 dragonath
Some people don't even have to drink to post drunk.
It's not for a lack of effort I assure you. Oh.
| 600 |
JamesWI Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:32:59am |
re: #596 Ben G. Hazi
Now I know that you're talking out of your ass; if you really are a businessperson and business is good, would you really handicap yourself just so you can spite President Obama and libruls?
No, I'm guessing the only business dealings you are involved in involve Jack and shit...and Jack left town.
If all the wingnuts on internet comment sections who claimed they were business owners actually owned business that were as large as they claim......the job numbers would be much better.
| 601 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:33:03am |
The California SoS seems to be dragging its feet tonight, or at least certain counties are, in counting their votes.
| 602 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:33:16am |
re: #566 boredtechindenver
Nate Silver's Map:
[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]
FNC map:
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
The only state that FNC hasn't called yet is FL, but other than that, they both match up. So, why are Nate's EC numbers different?
FNC has EC at 306 to 203, with FL adding 29 for 538. Nate has EC numbers at 313 to 225. Am I missing something?
Total available is still 538 so obviously someones addition is slightly wrong, but what does it matter? The result is the same in the end.
BTW, FNC has it at 303 to 206 not 306 to 203 if that helps any...
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boredtechindenver Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:34:47am |
re: #590 Barflytom
Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of my business, but I'm not going to bother now. I met two other chaps tonight who are going to stop recruiting any more people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.
Let us know what businesses you and the other "Chaps" are in and the state where you are located. There are quite a few people here who would like to know so we could invest in your competitors.
| 604 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:35:17am |
| 605 |
Ben G. Hazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:36:14am |
re: #604 ghazidor
Shorter version of Barflytom...
Whaaaahhhh....Mommiieeee?
Short, short version of Barflytom:
DERP!
| 606 |
Amory Blaine Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:36:15am |
re: #590 Barflytom
What a disaster !
No doubt all you lefties are pleased at Obama getting re-elected.
Good luck to you.
I'm sure all the people who live at the expense of others will do reasonably well for a few more years, but it won't last forever.
Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of my business, but I'm not going to bother now. I met two other chaps tonight who are going to stop recruiting any more people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.
It seems that turkeys really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas.
Good. Some other, better, businessman will take the business. Go cry in your kool aid you dumbfuck.
| 607 |
boredtechindenver Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:36:21am |
re: #602 ghazidor
BTW, FNC has it at 303 to 206 not 306 to 203 if that helps any...
yeah, numeric dyslexia. It makes it fun when I am troubleshooting issues while using IP addresses.
| 608 |
researchok Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:36:27am |
Morning all- and congrats to the President the VP and their supporters.
| 609 |
JamesWI Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:36:58am |
Ugh, Bachmann's lead just jumped to 2,600 with 90%. Looks like that dream might die.....though still a sliver of hope.
| 610 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:37:52am |
re: #609 JamesWI
Ugh, Bachmann's lead just jumped to 2,600 with 90%. Looks like that dream might die.....though still a sliver of hope.
Can't win em all man. Who knows maybe she does something real stupid like challenge Franken for the Senate in 2014.
| 611 |
Barflytom Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:39:38am |
re: #594 freetoken
You've probably not read a damn thing some of us have written here tonight.
Well you're right about that. What would be the point of reading what lefties have to say ?
The problem isn't just that Obama is a useless jerk - it's that "X" million people voted for him.
Sorry , your country is done for. I have a "plan B", although I'd much prefer to stay here.
I'm not getting any younger though, and I'm not going to invest another dime in a country that elects a jackass like Obama.
| 612 |
JamesWI Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:39:50am |
re: #610 HappyBenghazi
Can't win em all man. Who knows maybe she does something real stupid like challenge Franken for the Senate in 2014.
I think even she is smart enough to know she'd get crushed in a statewide election in Minnesota, and I am not one to over-estimate Michelle Bachmann's intelligence.
Nah, I think her plans are probably to try to hold on to her House seat for the rest of her life. Because career politicians are only bad when they belong to the other party.
| 613 |
goddamnedfrank Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:39:55am |
re: #609 JamesWI
Ugh, Bachmann's lead just jumped to 2,600 with 90%. Looks like that dream might die.....though still a sliver of hope.
Kinda want her around for the 2016 primary debates.
| 615 |
JamesWI Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:40:35am |
re: #611 Barflytom
Well you're right about that. What would be the point of reading what lefties have to say ?
The problem isn't just that Obama is a useless jerk - it's that "X" million people voted for him.
Sorry , your country is done for. I have a "plan B", although I'd much prefer to stay here.
I'm not getting any younger though, and I'm not going to invest another dime in a country that elects a jackass like Obama.
Trust me....no one here (at this site, or in this country) will miss you.
| 616 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:42:49am |
re: #611 Barflytom
You're a bitter old fool (or are playing one on the internet) who's probably made too many regrettable decisions and now is taking it out on others.
Go find something more useful to do in your remaining days.
| 618 |
makeitstop Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:44:56am |
re: #590 Barflytom
What a disaster !
No doubt all you lefties are pleased at Obama getting re-elected.
Good luck to you.
I'm sure all the people who live at the expense of others will do reasonably well for a few more years, but it won't last forever.
Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of my business, but I'm not going to bother now. I met two other chaps tonight who are going to stop recruiting any more people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.
It seems that turkeys really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas.
Cry moar, oh Job Creator.
| 620 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:49:11am |
re: #590 Barflytom
Slightly more serious reply...
What a disaster !
No doubt all you lefties are pleased at Obama getting re-elected.
Why yes, yes we are, thanks.
Good luck to you.
Thanks again.
I'm sure all the people who in my imagination live at the expense of others will do reasonably well for a few more years, but it won't last forever.
This is true, eventually you will die and wont be imagining such things any more.
Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of the business I have dreamt of starting for years, but I'm not going to bother now.
I know, reality sucks sometimes, but why don't you ask your parents for the money like Romney said you should?
I met two other chaps tonight who said that they have also dreamt up imaginary businesses and are going to stop recruiting any more dream people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.
It is your fantasy dude, don't let the man keep you down, don't let him control your daydreams of being important some day!
It seems that turkeys really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas.
Much better than voting for Thanksgiving isn't it?
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wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:49:57am |
re: #590 Barflytom
What a disaster !
No doubt all you lefties are pleased at Obama getting re-elected.
Good luck to you.
I'm sure all the people who live at the expense of others will do reasonably well for a few more years, but it won't last forever.
Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of my business, but I'm not going to bother now. I met two other chaps tonight who are going to stop recruiting any more people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.
It seems that turkeys really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas.
Defeatist attitude. Obama gets elected and you thrown in the towel on your expansion. Nice business model you got there.
Obamacare got you down? I suppose paying for your employees' health insurance under pre-ACA and paying FICA now is too much, too.
| 622 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:51:39am |
Meanwhile, in San Diego county, the mayors race for the city of San Diego looks to be very tight.
And, in the redrawn congressional district that has as incumbent Republican Bilbray the race is also very close. The Redistricting commission broke San Diego county into 5 regions - two very Democratic, two very Republican (being won handily by (car theif) Issa and by Hunter the lesser), and one district intentionally split evenly.
The split-evenly district looks like it was split very evenly, with only a difference of a few hundred votes now.
| 623 |
Barflytom Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:52:46am |
re: #596 Ben G. Hazi
Now I know that you're talking out of your ass; if you really are a decent businessperson and business is good, would you really handicap yourself just so you can spite President Obama and libruls?
I'm guessing the only business dealings you are involved in involve Jack and shit...and Jack left town.
No. The issue is that I might have to deal with some arbitrary regulation from the EPA, just for one example. Also, if the economy is going to get worse in a year or two, then I don't feel like making a commitment here.
And it's not that my little enterprise is that important, but multiply that by a factor of about a million, and you'll see why there will be very little new job creation in the next four years.
I still like this country, and I would still visit here whoever was president.
You can also say the same about Greece though - nice place for a vacation, but why would you do business there ?
| 624 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:53:01am |
92% reporting and Bachmann now has a 2,600 vote lead. (AP)
| 625 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:54:33am |
re: #611 Barflytom
Well you're right about that. What would be the point of reading what lefties have to say ?
The problem isn't just that Obama is a useless jerk - it's that "X" million people voted for him.
Sorry , your country is done for. I have a "plan B", although I'd much prefer to stay here.
I'm not getting any younger though, and I'm not going to invest another dime in a country that elects a jackass like Obama.
Bye-Bye, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
I hope you enjoyed your stay in America, well not really, I honestly don't give a fuck, but I'm trying to be polite here. :p
| 626 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:54:57am |
re: #623 Barflytom
So there "might" be EPA regulations, and the economy might get worse, and on the basis of these two assumptions, you've decided not to expand your business.
Where are you from anyway?
| 627 |
JamesWI Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:58:16am |
re: #626 wheat-dogghazi
So there "might" be EPA regulations, and the economy might get worse, and on the basis of these two assumptions, you've decided not to expand your business.
Where are you from anyway?
I believe he said he was from Wales. Apparently there, they teach you to run your business based on unfounded assumptions with no basis in reality.
| 628 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:59:35am |
re: #626 wheat-dogghazi
So there "might" be EPA regulations, and the economy might get worse, and on the basis of these two assumptions, you've decided not to expand your business.
Where are you from anyway?
He is trying to add a UK tone but it doesn't ring true, or maybe he has just been here so long his typing/speech habits have become Americanized. Who cares?
| 629 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:59:48am |
re: #627 JamesWI
I dunno. He's been a little coy about saying where he's from, exactly.
| 630 |
researchok Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:09:21am |
re: #590 Barflytom
I'm center/center right and I will say without hesitation it is because of thinking like yours the GOP lost the election.
No, it wasn't Romney's fault- he isn't he devil incarnate and his Mormon faith had nothing to do with his loss.
He doesn't want to enslave black people and a lot of his economic policies make perfect sens (with apologies to many here//).
Romney lost because of people like you- the anti science, social bullies and religious nutbags who have come to have a disproportionate (and loud, empty) voice in American politics.
The government has no business in the bedrooms of the nation- not now or ever. Religion- every religion- has a voice in the public square- an equal voice.
Leave women alone. If you want to make abortion illegal, get ready for me to tell you what to do with your body and get ready to personally support the children of unwed mothers you claim to love so much.
The GOP will reclaim it's rightful place in the American political landscape when it earns it.
Talk about spending, talk about social programs talk about paying for health care talk about the military industrial complex, talk about foreign policy and foreign.
Just stay out of people's private lives and beliefs.
Romney lost the election because more people think like you and not like me.
You know, like real conservatives.
| 631 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:10:28am |
That close Congressional race here in San Diego, with the Republican Bilbray listed as the incumbent - Bilbray is now up by 13 votes!
BRIAN BILBRAY
97844
50.00%
SCOTT PETERS
97831
50.00%
Who says a single person's vote doesn't count?
| 632 |
Barflytom Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:15:26am |
re: #625 ghazidor
Bye-Bye, and don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
I hope you enjoyed your stay in America, well not really, I honestly don't give a fuck, but I'm trying to be polite here. :p
Whatever, as they say.
Perhaps you don't realise how over-regulated the USA already is in comparison with other countries. Not all of that is due to Obama, but it's only going to get worse if he's around for 4 more years.
Maybe he'll be a Titanic scale catastrophe, or maybe he'll just be a boating accident - I'm just not willing to risk any of my own money while I wait to find out.
| 633 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:19:02am |
re: #630 researchok
You hit the nail on the head. BFT is for one thing a sore loser, even if it appears he's a foreign national and not entitled to vote here. I can't understand this attitude that, since Obama won, all is lost. It's a weird Manichean approach to life, and ultimately defeatist.
BFT's grudge seems to involve regulations, the ACA and other such measures that protect and benefit workers. If he's really dead set against all those complications, then maybe his plan B should be to move his operation (whatever it is) to China. No regulations, a dismally low minimum wage, no unions, no national health care system.
| 634 |
JamesWI Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:19:19am |
re: #632 Barflytom
Perhaps you don't realise how over-regulated the USA already is in comparison with other countries.
If you're comparing us to say, China or India...then yes, we do have more regulations.
I, for one, am happy that we don't pay our workers slave wages and pollute our rivers until it becomes normal for them to run blood red.
But since a "businessman" such as yourself disagrees, I guess we have to scrap all of those regulations!
| 635 |
researchok Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:20:38am |
And another thing- this election was about the economy. Were pretty screwed in that department.
Obama has had some successes, he's had some failures. He's had some good ideas and some bad ideas. He's trying to fix what is broken. Like you, me and everyone in here, he doesn't walk on water.
So why didn't Romney win if he is so much better on the economy (and I believe in many ways he is)?
Because despite wanting the economy fixed- and the American people are paying for generations of broken governments, Americans will put up with more economic crap if it means they will not have to lose the American identity- the identity far too many lunatics on the right want to change.
Some things are more important than money.
I have plenty of bones to pick with Obama's economic policies- but I'd rather be pissed off at what I think are bad policies than have to endure the America of Ralph Reed and Bryan Fischer.
| 636 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:20:51am |
re: #632 Barflytom
What regulations are getting in your way, exactly? Did you know about them before you set up shop in the States?
| 637 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:20:59am |
re: #632 Barflytom
Whatever, as they say.
Perhaps you don't realise how over-regulated the USA already is in comparison with other countries. Not all of that is due to Obama, but it's only going to get worse if he's around for 4 more years.
Maybe he'll be a Titanic scale catastrophe, or maybe he'll just be a boating accident - I'm just not willing to risk any of my own money while I wait to find out.
Hahahahahaha....just like the lying commercials.
"Did you know that there are over 467 bajillion regulations in the pipeline right now, regulations that will destroy American small businesses?"
| 638 |
JamesWI Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:21:58am |
re: #632 Barflytom
Not all of that is due to Obama, but it's only going to get worse if he's around for 4 more years.
And nevermind that this pretty much runs counter to even the most pessimistic forecasts by economists and business leaders.
But don't let pesky things like that get in the way of your tears. We're really going to miss those imaginary jobs you're not creating.
| 639 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:22:13am |
Obama has been so bad for business. That's why the markets are up and unemployment is down. Yup.
| 641 |
Barflytom Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:22:56am |
re: #626 wheat-dogghazi
So there "might" be EPA regulations, and the economy might get worse, and on the basis of these two assumptions, you've decided not to expand your business.
Where are you from anyway?
The "might" is the problem.
Obama seems to like imposing arbitrary regulations, and the federal gubmint seems to enjoy elbowing in to issues which should be left to state or local government.
| 642 |
JamesWI Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:24:17am |
re: #641 Barflytom
The "might" is the problem.
Obama seems to like imposing arbitrary regulations, and the federal gubmint seems to enjoy elbowing in to issues which should be left to state or local government.
So if the state or local government put in those regulations instead of the federal government, you'd be perfectly happy and you'd go back to creating those imaginary jobs at your fantasy business?
| 643 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:24:54am |
re: #641 Barflytom
Care to offer some specific examples?
There might be an asteroid collision next year. Or a major flu epidemic. Or I might get hit by a bus crossing the street. So, I should stop planning my future now because of "mights"?
Are you man or mouse?
| 644 |
researchok Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:26:17am |
re: #633 wheat-dogghazi
Look, I have plenty of problems with over reaching agendized regulations but that isn't the problem.
The issue is far more fundamental- we are a nation of diverse people and ideas. The government has no business monitoring those choices or making them for us.
That cannot change.
| 645 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:26:59am |
Bachmann up by 1866 with 93.2% votes in. (AP)
| 646 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:29:08am |
re: #644 researchok
No argument there. The government has no business meddling with matters that are personal, sexual or religious, unless these matters affect the public at large. Vaccinations, for example.
I'd like BFT to specify which regs are in his way, or might be in his way.
| 647 |
JamesWI Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:29:34am |
re: #645 wheat-dogghazi
Bachmann up by 1866 with 93.2% votes in. (AP)
CNN has it at 97%, lead back up to 2,600. Don't know what the recount rules are in Minnesota. That lead would be less than 1% but looks like it would be just a little more than 0.5%
| 648 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:32:27am |
re: #641 Barflytom
The "might" is the problem.
Obama seems to like imposing arbitrary regulations, and the federal gubmint seems to enjoy elbowing in to issues which should be left to state or local government.
I know, who knew we were electing a President whose hobby was writing regulations for small business in his spare time? He has personally written thousands of them in the last four years and then spends all his time trying to get them enacted by Congress instead of concentrating on fixing the economy or directing disaster relief after hurricanes.
He is really a cruel bastard when it comes to small business, thats just how he is.
///
| 649 |
Amory Blaine Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:32:52am |
Bachmann is a good spokesperson for her party.
| 650 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:33:16am |
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Barflytom Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:36:55am |
re: #630 researchok
I'm center/center right and I will say without hesitation it is because of thinking like yours the GOP lost the election.
......
Romney lost because of people like you- the anti science, social bullies and religious nutbags who have come to have a disproportionate (and loud, empty) voice in American politics.
Hmm.. well since I only go to church for weddings and funerals, tend not to bully people into doing what they don't want to do, and attend quite a few tech/science conferences, I'm not sure that I'm personally responsible for the GOP debacle this time.
If there's any one reason for BHO winning again, my view is that it's the general failure of the media to explain just how dire the financial situation of this country is.
Another reason is the failure to report on just what a dishonest, mendacious phony Obama is.
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wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:39:17am |
re: #652 Barflytom
Another reason is the failure to report on just what a dishonest, mendacious phony Obama is.
And Romney wasn't?
So, specifics? You're complaining about hypothetical regulations, but haven't told us what they might be. Now, you're saying Obama is a phony and dishonest. How? Details. Put up or shut up.
| 654 |
iossarian Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:40:13am |
re: #652 Barflytom
If there's any one reason for BHO winning again, my view is that it's the general failure of the media to explain just how dire the financial situation of this country is.
DJI +133
Another reason is the failure to report on just what a dishonest, mendacious phony Obama is.
Examples please.
| 655 |
JamesWI Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:43:10am |
Obama's popular vote lead now over 2 million, percentage-wise it's at 50-48.
538 model - 50.8% - 48.3%
| 656 |
Amory Blaine Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:44:47am |
You should just go post at freeper or twitchy. Why are you shitting on Obamas win here?
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iossarian Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:46:40am |
re: #656 Amory Blaine
You should just go post at freeper or twitchy. Why are you shitting on Obamas win here?
Dissenting views are OK but nonsense of the "Obama is a phony" kind is just there to be laughed at.
Would be interesting to have a real discussion on whether the economy is improving (as most indicators suggest) and whether Obama's fiscal plans will begin to bear fruit in the second term (I think they will) but not really expecting anything sane from the right for a week or so, minimum.
| 658 |
researchok Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:47:06am |
re: #652 Barflytom
Great- you are an exceptional human being.
Unfortunately, you are in the minority in the GOP sphere.
Obama has been exceptional on national security. When push came to shove, he kept what was working- from Guantanamo to the Patriot Act which pissed off is base.
He has had, as noted, both successes and failures on the economic front (and I will repeat- he doesn't walk on water.Unlike you, he isn't perfect).He has to work with a broken Congress (both Republicans and Democrats) which has become a monument to self serving mediocrity. And make no mistake, had Romney been elected he'd have the same bunch of losers to deal with.
The GOP is far from having the solutions the country needs.
They are way ahead in solutions the country does not need.
As long the party panders to the nut jobs, they will be cheering from the sidelines.
| 659 |
Amory Blaine Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:48:28am |
re: #657 iossarian
He's not a dissenting voice, he's talking about not hiring people out of spite and other nonsense.
| 660 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:51:37am |
re: #652 Barflytom
Hmm.. well since I only go to church for weddings and funerals, tend not to bully people into doing what they don't want to do, and attend quite a few tech/science conferences, I'm not sure that I'm personally responsible for the GOP debacle this time.
If there's any one reason for BHO winning again, my view is that it's the general failure of the media to explain just how dire the financial situation of this country is.
Another reason is the failure to report on just what a dishonest, mendacious phony Obama is.
You egotistically assume that no one else sees that the current government spending model is unsustainable in the long run. You also wrongly assume that we are too stupid and misinformed to have made an informed decision while knowing that change is not only needed but necessary.
The glaring flaw in your assumption is in thinking that Romney offered us anything that would alter the equation. Maybe you bought into his empty promises and "5 point plans" with no details, but we didn't. Romney was a empty and disingenuous suit who was willing to promise anything to anyone often contradicting himself within hours of a previous statement.
We didn't vote for Romney because he had no convictions, he had no plan, and he had no solution. Romney only stood for further restriction of our social freedoms and the ascendency of the religious zealots. Not the repair of the fundamentals of our financial system.
Romney was a lying puppet for the GOP who has promised fiscal responsibility for three decades and then spent like drunken sailors once in office, not to mention starting unnecessary wars. Fuck them and fuck romney, if your dumb enough to fall for another round of their empty promises that is your problem. It certainly isn't mine.
| 661 |
JamesWI Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:53:02am |
One election result I find funny:
Oregon voted against legalizing marijuana by a larger margin than Arkansas voted against medical marijuana.
I wouldn't have been able to predict that one!
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:53:40am |
re: #655 JamesWI
Obama's popular vote lead now over 2 million, percentage-wise it's at 50-48.
538 model - 50.8% - 48.3%
Sam Wang's final popular vote meta margin was Obama +2.46. Amazing how close both of them were.
Hopefully this year marks the end of Gallup and Rasmussen's national polls being taken seriously.
| 663 |
iossarian Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:54:38am |
re: #659 Amory Blaine
He's not a dissenting voice, he's talking about not hiring people out of spite and other nonsense.
Yeah - I agree with you. I was trying to coax a sane argument out of him but I don't expect much, at this point in time especially.
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wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:58:02am |
re: #663 iossarian
Yeah - I agree with you. I was trying to coax a sane argument out of him but I don't expect much, at this point in time especially.
I don't recall BFT ever offering a sane argument. Mostly, he repeats RWNJ talking points without adding any substance to the argument.
| 665 |
researchok Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:58:33am |
re: #660 ghazidor
I don't agree with the entire assessment of Romney but you raise some good points.
The fact is, the economy is fluid- it responds to everything from weather to market psychology (behavioral economics(.
Both Obama are offering ideas that may or may not work- and the measure of each is in how quickly they can adjust if the ideas don't work.
So far, Obama is proving he can- and will- adjust his ideas.
Romney's failing is that his voter base wants him to commit to an ideology. Obama won't make that same mistake.
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Barflytom Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:59:36am |
re: #643 wheat-dogghazi
Care to offer some specific examples?
There might be an asteroid collision next year. Or a major flu epidemic. Or I might get hit by a bus crossing the street. So, I should stop planning my future now because of "mights"?
Are you man or mouse?
If I could offer a specific example, I'd be less concerned.
One rather general example, which goes back a couple of years, is a weekly newsletter I get emailed from a trade publication. The content is usually new product announcements or trade show schedules. I received one a while back with the headline "Emerging Regulatory Threats".
One issue for me is that the buggers might introduce some new rule which defines basically harmless products as being "toxic", with all the associated costs and inconvenience of handling them.
A more general concern is that this country has extremely harsh laws and penalties for "crimes" which should only be civil matters, and which are enforced rather arbitrarily. There's a book titled "Three Felonies a Day" which you lefties might benefit from reading. ( Haven't read it myself, but the basic point of the book is something I'm quite familiar with ).
The problem with having an anti-business jackass like Obama in charge of the executive branch of the government is the broad discretionary powers of all the agencies he controls. I just don't feel like painting a target on my back with "Small business owning sucker" written across it, and then waiting to see what the buggers try to extort from me.
| 667 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:59:46am |
Getting back to that close Congressional race here in San Diego county:
SCOTT PETERS
100688
50.08%
BRIAN BILBRAY
100367
49.92%
That's with 95.4% of the precincts counted.
The redistricting commission succeeded in their goal to create a 50/50 split district.
Bilbray isn't the wingnuttiest of Republicans, but he is clearly one of the partisan hacks, e.g.:
Congressman Bilbray has voted to preserve and protect Medicare, while Peters has repeatedly stated that he supports a government-run healthcare, which would cut Medicare by more than $700 billion.
If he loses it will be one of the few choice victories for the Dems wrt the House.
| 668 |
JamesWI Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:00:38am |
Damn, race called for Bachmann, latest margin pushes it out of recount territory.
I dared to dream.....
| 669 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:02:29am |
re: #668 JamesWI
It's amazing isn't it, that so many Minnesotans would vote for one of the demonstrably bat-shit crazy, and deceitful, Representatives out there.
But remember, half the people around you believe the world is only 6000 years old.
| 670 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:04:41am |
BTW, Bilbray's district includes the Romney's beach front villa in La Jolla:
[Link: bilbrayforcongress.com...]
I think this election proves what 2008 indicated - San Diego county is no longer reliable Republican territory. Both Obama and Feinstein won easily here.
| 671 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:07:05am |
re: #666 Barflytom
Kind of dodging the question, there. You're still not offering any specifics. "Emerging regulatory threats" and products that might be declared toxic are still hypotheticals. I was rather hoping for one or two specific regulations that you find unconscionable.
I'm not familiar with the book you mention, but you are aware (I hope) that the president doesn't make the laws in the States. That's Congress' job. If you have complaints about the American criminal code, then you might at least direct your animosity toward the knuckleheads that create the legislation.
Again, you claim Obama is anti-business without offering specific examples of what he has done to hurt your operations. Seems like if you are really up in arms about it, you could just rattle off one or two examples.
| 672 |
iossarian Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:08:09am |
re: #666 Barflytom
One issue for me is that the buggers might introduce some new rule which defines basically harmless products as being "toxic", with all the associated costs and inconvenience of handling them.
Is there an actual bill here, with some specific content, that we could look at? Because to be honest this just sounds like scaremongering. If I were to say: "Don't vote Republican because they're planning to bring in legislation that will put poor people in workhouses and start an endless war with the Middle East," you'd want proof and rightly so.
A more general concern is that this country has extremely harsh laws and penalties for "crimes" which should only be civil matters, and which are enforced rather arbitrarily. There's a book titled "Three Felonies a Day" which you lefties might benefit from reading. ( Haven't read it myself, but the basic point of the book is something I'm quite familiar with ).
In my experience, harsh penalties for misdemeanors are a Republican standby. The war on drugs? Remember that? If this is a problem for you, you may be voting for the wrong side.
The problem with having an anti-business jackass like Obama in charge of the executive branch of the government is the broad discretionary powers of all the agencies he controls. I just don't feel like painting a target on my back with "Small business owning sucker" written across it, and then waiting to see what the buggers try to extort from me.
Please, please, please give examples of what Obama has done that is "anti-business".
| 673 |
Barflytom Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:08:59am |
re: #658 researchok
Great- you are an exceptional human being.
Unfortunately, you are in the minority in the GOP sphere.
Obama has been exceptional on national security. When push came to shove, he kept what was working- from Guantanamo to the Patriot Act which pissed off is base.
Yeah, it's nice to be exceptional like me and Barry.
Perhaps you noticed that he campaigned (in '08) on closing Guantanamo, without ever explaining what he had as a better idea.
Being the exceptional sort of chap that I am, I could have told him years ago that there really wasn't a better alternative. If you can name any other president whose rhetoric was so far removed from reality as ol' big ears, I'll buy you a beer.
| 674 |
researchok Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:11:56am |
re: #673 Barflytom
You made my point- he did the right thing and kept GB open.
When presented with all the facts (information we don't have) he bucked his base and did what he had to do..
He isn't as big an ideologue as he is made out to be (much to the consternation of the far left)
| 676 |
iossarian Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:13:33am |
re: #673 Barflytom
DIDN'T CLOSE GITMO!!!
Jeez.
Is that all?
'cause on the other side of the ledger, there's:
- Saved the auto industry
- Healthcare for all (steps towards)
- Repealed DADT
- Lily Ledbetter
etc. etc.
Obama's not perfect but then few people are. He's a lot better than the goons on the other side of the aisle.
| 677 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:15:55am |
re: #673 Barflytom
Yeah, it's nice to be exceptional like me and Barry.
Perhaps you noticed that he campaigned (in '08) on closing Guantanamo, without ever explaining what he had as a better idea.
Being the exceptional sort of chap that I am, I could have told him years ago that there really wasn't a better alternative. If you can name any other president whose rhetoric was so far removed from reality as ol' big ears, I'll buy you a beer.
Back to the empty talking points I see...
Obama tried to close gitmo but was blocked, first by lawsuits in the states prisoners would have been moved to and then by congress that banned the detainees being transferred to U.S. soil. He did try to close it, but a president is not a king and cannot just do whatever he wants.
What is "removed from reality" about the detainees being in a super max prison here in the country? Please inform me of your great wisdom on this?
| 678 |
Barflytom Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:21:29am |
re: #671 wheat-dogghazi
I'm not familiar with the book you mention, but you are aware (I hope) that the president doesn't make the laws in the States. That's Congress' job. If you have complaints about the American criminal code, then you might at least direct your animosity toward the knuckleheads that create the legislation.
"Laws" aren't the problem, it's the very broad discretionary powers that agencies like the EPA are given. Try looking up what us right-wing nutters describe as the "administrative state".
Obamacare is the perfect example; a lot of the wording consists of phrases like "the secretary shall..", and then go on to give a presidential appointee huge discretionary powers. One example being waivers from some of the requirements of Obamacare. If the government has the power to grant waivers, it also has the power to withhold waivers - in other words, it can arbitrarily impose costs on a private business, or exempt a private business from those costs.
| 679 |
watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:27:32am |
re: #678 Barflytom
"Laws" aren't the problem, it's the very broad discretionary powers that agencies like the EPA are given. Try looking up what us right-wing nutters describe as the "administrative state".
Obamacare is the perfect example; a lot of the wording consists of phrases like "the secretary shall..", and then go on to give a presidential appointee huge discretionary powers. One example being waivers from some of the requirements of Obamacare. If the government has the power to grant waivers, it also has the power to withhold waivers - in other words, it can arbitrarily impose costs on a private business, or exempt a private business from those costs.
So once again this is all about something that "maybe could possibly" happen and not an actual current complaint. Right...I'm sure they will get right on to persecuting you, just for fun, just as soon as they have seized all the guns and locked up all the Christians in the FEMA camps. I imagine they will be rather busy with that to start the new term out, but I'm sure they will get to you eventually.
| 681 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:29:52am |
re: #678 Barflytom
The book, AFAIK, is about felonies -- the criminal code -- not regulatory matters. So, why bring it up, if it doesn't support your position?
And, again, you are still complaining about hypotheticals, and not yet offered one specific example of a regulation hurting your business, or business-to-be.
You know, we're not forcing you to stay here. If you don't like doing business in the States, then quit bitching about it and move on. But businessmen have been complaining about government regulations for decades. I heard the same complaints you have spouted 30 years ago or more. How long have you been doing business here? And how much due diligence did you do before you came to our fair land, mired as it is in over-regulation and despotic presidencies?
| 682 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:36:10am |
re: #681 wheat-dogghazi
He doesn't seem to understand that the regulatory powers of the administration are granted to them by congress through legislation. Which is a pretty basic concept.
| 683 |
iossarian Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:38:01am |
re: #680 Barflytom
- Saved the UAW from the consequences of their own greed and irresponsibility.
The unions decided to put all their eggs in the SUV market and then crash the world economy? Who knew?
- Set the country on the way to NHS style waiting lists and higher death rates.
I've been treated on the NHS and it is very similar to the U.S. system (and obviously far better in the sense that it covers everyone and doesn't bankrupt you if you get cancer). Higher death rates is a myth: Americans have worse outcomes on a broad range of health indicators than Europeans.
- Got the military stuck with an even worse situation with regard to buggers in battledress.
Small-minded bigotry. Sad, but a declining force in U.S. politics, thankfully. 50 years ago you'd have been complaining about black men marrying white girls.
- I'm lost on this one. Charity for employment law attorneys perhaps ?
Obviously you'd be cool with being paid half as much as your peers just for being called "Tom".
| 684 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:39:00am |
| 685 |
Barflytom Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:43:03am |
re: #679 ghazidor
So once again this is all about something that "maybe could possibly" happen and not an actual current complaint. Right...I'm sure they will get right on to persecuting you, just for fun, just as soon as they have seized all the guns and locked up all the Christians in the FEMA camps. I imagine they will be rather busy with that to start the new term out, but I'm sure they will get to you eventually.
You miss the point, as many of you lefties do.
If you increase the risks or costs of doing business of any kind, you decrease the number of people who are willing to try some new venture.
Have you noticed how much the prices of, for example, classic cars have gone up in the last few years ? If someone with money to spare has a choice between investing in a business venture where he has a small, but not insignificant chance of being sued for all he's got, or buying an old Ferrari which has a good chance of appreciating, what's he gonna do ?
It depends on the circumstances and ambitions of the individual of course, but I know of a lot of people who've gone for buying a nice toy or artwork, rather than risking money in a business which might be sued or regulated out of existence.
| 686 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:43:40am |
re: #680 Barflytom
Gay people have been fighting for their country since the beginning of time. Shame that you can't muster the slightest bit of respect for those veterans. Unsurprising, but a shame.
| 687 |
iossarian Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:45:20am |
re: #685 Barflytom
Have you noticed how much the prices of, for example, classic cars have gone up in the last few years ? If someone with money to spare has a choice between investing in a business venture where he has a small, but not insignificant chance of being sued for all he's got, or buying an old Ferrari which has a good chance of appreciating, what's he gonna do ?
ROFL.
THE PRICE OF CLASSIC CARS HAS GONE UP! SOCIALISM!
I bet classic cars were a hot market in 1970s Stalingrad.
| 688 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:46:41am |
re: #685 Barflytom
If someone with money to spare has a choice between investing in a business venture where he has a small, but not insignificant chance of being sued for all he's got, or buying an old Ferrari which has a good chance of appreciating, what's he gonna do ?
Good news: The formation of a corporate structure limits your personal liability in lawsuits.
Can you explain why anyone has ever invested in business, given that you've been able to sue people for torts since before the foundation of this country?
| 689 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:48:43am |
re: #685 Barflytom
OK, your logic, such as it is, has completely lost me. You are saying that the possibility of regulations or lawsuits has some rich guys so worried that they will sooner buy a classic car than expand or start a new business?
Well, if that's their opinion, they can do what they like. It just means not-so-rich guys can fill the void left by those nervous nellies.
Investing in artwork and classic cars is not quite the same thing as having a business plan, you know. It's actually possible to do both, in fact.
| 690 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:49:54am |
By the way, Ferraris don't really appreciate in value.
| 691 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:49:58am |
re: #685 Barflytom
Old collectibles are by definition valuable because they aren't made anymore, and are slowly returning to the dust from which they came. And, according to good capitalist theory, the value of the object is determined by supply and demand, which often changes for collectibles according to "fashion".
That's why your whole approach is flawed, btw. All things die or degenerate, and it always takes a new person or new generation to accomplish anything. Nothing is static.
Risks of doing business can decrease with government regulation, if regulations can decrease predatory practices, organized extortion, risks of conflict, unpriced costs that otherwise become socialized, etc. You seem to ignore all of that about society and governance.
| 692 |
iossarian Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:50:58am |
re: #690 Obdicut
By the way, Ferraris don't really appreciate in value.
NOW you tell me.
*starts searching "ebay classic car sales"*
On that note I actually do have to do something productive. Laters all.
| 693 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:51:26am |
re: #685 Barflytom
You miss the point, as many of you lefties do.
If you increase the risks or costs of doing business of any kind, you decrease the number of people who are willing to try some new venture.
Which explains how Google, Yahoo, Netflix, FedEx, Apple and Microsoft, among others, never got off the ground.
| 694 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:57:42am |
re: #692 iossarian
NOW you tell me.
I thought it was common knowledge. The price of used cars-- except cars with some significance, like a Shelby-- decreases over time. A 1986 Ferrari Testarossa cost a bit over a hundred K when it was new-- not sure if that's inflation-adjusted dollars or not. Now you can snag them from between 35 and 80K, depending on condition.
Maybe BFT is mocking himself and the economic ignorance of others like him? I mean, using cars as an example of something that appreciates value, pretending to not understand that regulatory powers of the executive comes from legislation made by congress-- it's a pretty effective parody of right-wing economic positions, but Poe's Law applies.
| 695 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:57:53am |
Some results, such as that San Diego congressional race, may remain up in the air for some time:
During each election cycle, hundreds of thousands of ballots are not counted on Election Day. Elections officials have approximately one month to complete their extensive tallying and certification work (known as the official canvass). Most notably, voting by mail has increased significantly in recent years and many vote-by-mail ballots arrive on Election Day. In processing vote-by-mail ballots, elections officials must confirm each voter’s registration status, verify each voter’s signature on the vote-by-mail envelope, and ensure each person did not vote elsewhere in the same election.
Other ballots that are processed after Election Day include provisional ballots (processed similar to vote-by-mail ballots), and ballots that are damaged or cannot be machine-read and must be remade by elections officials.
[...]
Right now, in California, Obama's totals are much lower than they were in 2008, and that is with 85% of the precinct's "partially" reporting.
Either turnout was low, or there are a lot of mail ballots yet to be counted.
| 696 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:58:42am |
re: #695 freetoken
There are ballots left to be counted in California. A shitload of them. I think there's a lack of urgency every election, since it never is, y'know, exciting, really.
| 697 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:59:28am |
In 2008 President Obama go 8,274,473 votes in California.
Right now he's sitting at 4,909,684.
re: #696 Obdicut
Well, they've got till Dec. 7th to finish counting.
| 698 |
Barflytom Wed, Nov 7, 2012 2:59:43am |
re: #682 Obdicut
He doesn't seem to understand that the regulatory powers of the administration are granted to them by congress through legislation. Which is a pretty basic concept.
Wow, you do come up with some profound observations, don't you.
I did mention the wording of the Obamacare act in #678, FWIW.
One of the many tedious habits of you lefties is assuming that us right wing cavemen can't grasp even the most basic principles of how the government functions.
I've noticed that you and engineer cat/dog, among others, need to have even the most simple references spelt out to you.
Try getting out more, and see if you can lose your rather condescending attitude towards people who disagree with your childish worldview.
I'm off now - please don't bother replying.
| 699 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:01:31am |
re: #698 Barflytom
One of the many tedious habits of you lefties is assuming that us right wing cavemen can't grasp even the most basic principles of how the government functions.
Like not being able to understand that the regulatory functions of the government, and the funds to pay for them, originate in legislation?
Try getting out more, and see if you can lose your rather condescending attitude towards people who disagree with your childish worldview.
See, this is great parody. Castigating someone else for being condescending while calling them childish? I mean, someone couldn't actually type that out without realizing how stupidly hypocritical it made them look, could they?
Yeah, I know, they could.
| 701 |
Dancing along the light of day Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:10:05am |
| 702 |
Barflytom Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:10:59am |
re: #694 Obdicut
I thought it was common knowledge. The price of used cars-- except cars with some significance, like a Shelby-- decreases over time. A 1986 Ferrari Testarossa cost a bit over a hundred K when it was new-- not sure if that's inflation-adjusted dollars or not. Now you can snag them from between 35 and 80K, depending on condition.
Maybe BFT is mocking himself and the economic ignorance of others like him? I mean, using cars as an example of something that appreciates value, pretending to not understand that regulatory powers of the executive comes from legislation made by congress-- it's a pretty effective parody of right-wing economic positions, but Poe's Law applies.
I just caught your comment as I was flouncing off to the early morning bar.
Try looking up the value of a 275GTB4 over the last decade or so, or a 1950's Testarossa, which isn't quite the same thing as the Miami vice one.
( Not that you could afford any of them ! ). Goodnight.
| 703 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:14:36am |
re: #701 Dancing along the light of day
Except that last one. Like Sinatra's retirement concerts.
| 704 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:18:09am |
And so it begins, the deconstruction of the Romney campaign.
And the Germans are first:
How Romney Sabotaged His Own Campaign
[...]
So, what caused the defeat? Was it the multiple slip-ups and gaffes that Romney stoically shrugged off? Was it the millions that Obama's strategists pumped into TV ads depicting Romney as a coldhearted capitalist? Was it the threat to Big Bird, the "binders full of women" or his consistently wooden appearances?
When all is said and done, there is only one person who deserves the lion's share of the blame: Mitt Romney. For months, Romney continued to change his stances to the point that voters ultimately had no idea who the "real" Romney was. It wasn't until the very end that Romney dared to be his putative self again. But it was too late. Even Massachusetts, the state that Romney served as governor for four years, would ultimately turn its back on him.
[...]
| 705 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:23:26am |
We haven't even talked about the state legislatures.
In Indiana the state assembly now has more than a 2/3rds majority in the hands of the GOP, meaning that the Democrats are irrelevant in law making there. If the Dems try a "walk out" like before it won't matter because the GOP will have all the quorums it will ever need.
The Dems did surprisingly pick up the State Superintendent of Schools in Indiana, though:
[Link: www.courierpress.com...]
| 706 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:25:02am |
In Iowa, the Democrats are clinging to the tiniest of margins to keep the state government from falling totally into GOP hands:
Gronstal re-elected to Iowa Senate; balance of power remains unclear
| 707 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:25:37am |
re: #705 freetoken
Sad about the Indiana legislature. I lived in southern Indiana for a while. It's still my voting location as an ex-pat, but I can only vote in federal races.
I wonder how the Democratic school super will manage with the GOP in office.
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funky chicken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:26:53am |
Wait--Alan West lost too?
[Link: elections.msnbc.msn.com...]
Is West demanding a recount or something? 100% of votes in, Murphy ahead by 3000 votes. Why isn't he declared the winner?
Unfortunately it looks like Bachmann held on, but by the skin of her teeth.
| 709 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:29:07am |
re: #707 wheat-dogghazi
The news report indicates that her GOP opponent was just too wingnutty even for the hoosier state. But yes, she will probably feel pretty lonely.
re: #708 funky chicken
Probably the same issue here in California - there are too many provisional ballots waiting to be counted.
The final House count won't be known for a month or so.
| 710 |
freetoken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:32:25am |
I'll note just one more thing before I go - Obama had pretty small coattails tonight.
It looks like the Dems will move their House share from 193 to around 200 or so. A gain of only 7.
Yes, the Dems gained three Senate seats (counting Maine's independent who claims he's going to caucus with whoever treats him the best.) At least two of those were gifts from the Republicans, due to their very theocratic deafness to the theodicy problem.
| 711 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:34:45am |
re: #702 Barflytom
I just caught your comment as I was flouncing off to the early morning bar.
Try looking up the value of a 275GTB4 over the last decade or so, or a 1950's Testarossa, which isn't quite the same thing as the Miami vice one.
( Not that you could afford any of them ! ). Goodnight.
The Testarossa entered production in 1984. You mean a Ferrari Testa Rossa, or TR. And their price is because only a tiny number were ever built. So you can't really decide to invest in one easily-- the market is pretty frigid, which is why they sell for so much.
I notice you never got around to explaining why anyone has ever invested in a business, given you've always had the risk of losing it all to a lawsuit. I'm sure you could do a good parody there too; give it a shot.
| 712 |
funky chicken Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:35:02am |
re: #685 Barflytom
You miss the point, as many of you lefties do.
If you increase the risks or costs of doing business of any kind, you decrease the number of people who are willing to try some new venture.
Have you noticed how much the prices of, for example, classic cars have gone up in the last few years ? If someone with money to spare has a choice between investing in a business venture where he has a small, but not insignificant chance of being sued for all he's got, or buying an old Ferrari which has a good chance of appreciating, what's he gonna do ?
It depends on the circumstances and ambitions of the individual of course, but I know of a lot of people who've gone for buying a nice toy or artwork, rather than risking money in a business which might be sued or regulated out of existence.
Gee, let's see if I can understand your point. The Bush tax cuts encouraged "job creators" to buy themselves expensive automotive toys rather than putting profits back into their businesses. Was it the Bush tax cuts or the roadblocks to regulation and cutbacks in agencies like the FDA that caused NECC's owners to put out contaminated products from a filthy facility?
| 713 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:35:30am |
re: #710 freetoken
Ya gotta factor in the redistricting, though. It's actually impressive that the Democrats gained anything in the House in the light of that.
| 714 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:36:21am |
re: #711 Obdicut
Don't hold your breathe, Obdi. BFT dropped off his talking points and skedaddled out, confident that he has won the debate.
| 715 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:39:50am |
re: #714 wheat-dogghazi
Don't hold your breathe, Obdi. BFT dropped off his talking points and skedaddled out, confident that he has won the debate.
I honestly think he might be a parody account. The bit about flouncing off to a morning bar? I mean, he gets basic facts of government wrong, asserts that nobody will start a business if it means the business can get sued, and he thinks you can just find rare vintage cars at will and buy them?
| 716 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:45:35am |
re: #715 Obdicut
Could be. Trouble is, I've encountered others like him when debating evolution and AGW. They refuse to address specific questions, or offer concrete evidence to support their talking points. Either he's a really good Poe, or a true believer.
| 717 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:11:49am |
The DERP meltdown is so delicious.
WOLVERINES!! And I don't mean the #commie state of #MI either— Freedomwarrior(@Freedomwarrior) November 7, 2012
They will pay a heavy price! RT @toddkincannon: It amazes me that Jews support Barack Obama. That'd be like if Southerners voted for— Freedomwarrior(@Freedomwarrior) November 7, 2012
| 718 |
steve_davis Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:18:04am |
re: #71 SteveMcG
What the hell happened with Donald Trump. Chuck Todd had himself a chuckle but the other guys let it drop, but I can tell something weird happened.
He called for rebellion during a time of war. He was executed this morning.
| 719 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:18:57am |
Bridge Troll Matty Moroun got bitchslapped.
All the Michigan proposals went down in flames, including collective bargaining and sustainable energy.
| 720 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:22:15am |
"That'd be like if Southerners voted for..." and then the wingnut with the Mel Gibson avatar used up his 140 char limit. Want to complete his thought?
If Southerners voted for Lincoln (too easy)
If Southerners voted for Roosevelt!
If Southerners voted for a N[clang]!
If Southerners voted for Walt Disney!
| 721 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:22:48am |
re: #719 Vicious Babushka
I need Prop 30 to pass in California. It is a patch, but it's the only way past the current budget insanity.
| 722 |
Flounder Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:28:20am |
Dammit Ed, I'm not on the bottom 10 anymore!
Good morning!
| 723 |
William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:32:55am |
re: #702 Barflytom
Sad little wingnut. Can I send you an econ 101 textbook?
BTW, I'd take a D-type Jag over any of Enzo's over rated machines.
| 724 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:39:00am |
So, were there any predictions that Nate Silver got wrong?
| 725 |
andres Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:39:05am |
re: #694 Obdicut
I thought it was common knowledge. The price of used cars-- except cars with some significance, like a Shelby-- decreases over time. A 1986 Ferrari Testarossa cost a bit over a hundred K when it was new-- not sure if that's inflation-adjusted dollars or not. Now you can snag them from between 35 and 80K, depending on condition.
Maybe BFT is mocking himself and the economic ignorance of others like him? I mean, using cars as an example of something that appreciates value, pretending to not understand that regulatory powers of the executive comes from legislation made by congress-- it's a pretty effective parody of right-wing economic positions, but Poe's Law applies.
As always, there's an exception to the rule: Venezuela. But then, this is a very strange fringe case.
Edit: IOW, your point still stands.
| 726 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:48:31am |
Had the overnight shift at work. Did I miss anything?
/
Good Morning Honcos.
| 727 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:50:11am |
My favorite tweet so far:
.@realdonaldtrump How are you this fine morning?— Ryan J. Davis (@RyanNewYork) November 7, 2012
| 728 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:53:10am |
re: #727 Obdicut
My favorite tweet so far:
[Embedded content]
He's passed Denial and is now into Anger:
Lets fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice! The world is laughing at us.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 7, 2012
| 729 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:54:03am |
re: #727 Obdicut
My favorite tweet so far:
[Embedded content]
I have a friend (we used to go to ALL sporting events together) who yesterday posted on FB that "this election has been a marathon, and in a marathon, you always bet on the Kenyan". He is a full blown Obama supporter. And funny/sarcastic like me.
| 730 |
William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:56:29am |
So I hear that Eastwood conceeded to his couch at 1:00 PST... ///
| 731 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:57:24am |
Lets fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice! The world is laughing at us.— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 7, 2012
Quite true, but not for the reasons you think.
| 732 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:57:53am |
You know what I just thought of? I could tell all of you, "you suck dog balls!!" and I still couldn't make the bottom comments. Heh.
| 733 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:58:52am |
Obama did not win by a landslide. He won by a hurricane.— LGFN (@LGFN) November 7, 2012
Heh.
| 734 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:59:48am |
re: #728 Vicious Babushka
I kinda hope that his open calls for revolution and marching on washington make him persona non grata again. It'd be cool if Romney said something like "by the way, that revolution stuff was dangerous bullshit and I condemn it".
| 735 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:00:41am |
re: #732 Cannadian Club Akbar
You know what I just thought of? I could tell all of you, "you suck dog balls!!" and I still couldn't make the bottom comments. Heh.
Does that seem like something you're likely to do?
I saw a little yappy dog being taken for a walk yesterday, and it had a little coat on, and the coat was cut so basically it showcased the dog's balls, and all I'm saying is that's not right, man.
| 737 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:03:25am |
Has Mitch McConnell announced his intention to deny Obama a third term yet? #Obama2016— Dan Savage (@fakedansavage) November 7, 2012
| 738 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:04:45am |
Sheldon Adelson spent $1 million to help Rabbi Shmuley in NJ-09. Shmuley lost by 49 points.— daveweigel (@daveweigel) November 7, 2012
| 739 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:07:50am |
re: #738 Obdicut
Somewhat relevant to Barflytom's line of thinking -- maybe Adelson ought to invest in classic cars instead of elections.
| 740 |
Eventual Carrion Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:07:50am |
re: #673 Barflytom
Yeah, it's nice to be exceptional like me and Barry.
Perhaps you noticed that he campaigned (in '08) on closing Guantanamo, without ever explaining what he had as a better idea.
Being the exceptional sort of chap that I am, I could have told him years ago that there really wasn't a better alternative. If you can name any other president whose rhetoric was so far removed from reality as ol' big ears, I'll buy you a beer.
Does your ass ever get sore pulling that much shit out of it constantly?
| 741 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:08:09am |
re: #735 Obdicut
How big were these dog's balls if he's a little yappy fucker?
| 742 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:08:46am |
Morning Lizardim. It's a great day to be an American. Not only did the right-wing hate machine get shut down in the Presidential and Senate elections, neither the anti-gay-marriage amendment nor the photo voter ID amendment passed here in the wild north country. I heard it on the radio this morning, they were both soundly defeated. It helps to make up for the fact that we're still saddled with Michelle Bachmann (R-Mars). Although at least Jim Graves put up a good fight.
| 743 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:08:51am |
re: #734 Obdicut
I kinda hope that his open calls for revolution and marching on washington make him persona non grata again. It'd be cool if Romney said something like "by the way, that revolution stuff was dangerous bullshit and I condemn it".
I predict that by this afternoon he'll be back to Tweeting about his reality show and how bad the Yankees suck.
| 744 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:12:19am |
re: #741 Cannadian Club Akbar
How big were these dog's balls if he's a little yappy fucker?
Surprisingly big.
| 745 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:13:17am |
| 746 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:14:35am |
re: #745 Cannadian Club Akbar
With an arrow? ↓
| 747 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:18:04am |
re: #746 wheat-dogghazi
With an arrow? ↓
It's on my personalized condoms. But only the "S" and the "G" is able to be read. Wait, what?
/
| 748 |
Eventual Carrion Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:32:35am |
re: #728 Vicious Babushka
He's passed Denial and is now into Anger:
Lets fight like hell and stop this great and disgusting injustice! The world is laughing at us.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 7, 2012
No, not US Donny. Just at you.
| 749 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:32:53am |
re: #747 Cannadian Club Akbar
It's on my personalized condoms. But only the "S" and the "G" is able to be read. Wait, what?
/
Sitting in the top drawer, ready, but never needed!!
| 750 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:33:08am |
| 751 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:34:17am |
| 752 |
Flounder Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:34:40am |
Finished the marmalade jelly, now onto yummy apricot jelly.
| 753 |
Big Steve Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:35:30am |
Well we have survived another election. While I didn't vote for him, President Obama is MY President and nothing would make me happier to see him have such a great second term that he would be a shoe-in to be added to Mt Rushmore. He will get a great chance in December with the so called fiscal cliff decision to work with all sides. Clearly not everyone who is unemployed is a deadbeat and not everyone who is making good money is the devil.
To the Republicans, I wish they collectively understand that you can no longer win national office getting only white religious males to vote for you. It is time for the party to embrace science, recenter its conservative values, and work with the President on occasion.
| 755 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:38:41am |
re: #754 Vicious Babushka
I ate cake for breakfast.
I'm having a cocktail, but this is my 11PM right now.
| 756 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:39:08am |
re: #754 Vicious Babushka
I ate cake for breakfast.
The rabid squirrel sits by the park bench!
(oh,, sorry ,, I thought we were talking in code!!)
| 757 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:39:50am |
re: #755 Cannadian Club Akbar
I'm having a cocktail, but this is my 11PM right now.
At least you have something to put your personalized condom on!!
| 759 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:44:43am |
| 761 |
Eventual Carrion Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:47:37am |
re: #760 Only The Lurker Knows
morning Lizards. Has Texas seceded yet?
The day is still young. But I hear Donny Trump is hosting a revolution.
| 762 |
darthstar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:48:21am |
Let the dismantling of the robot begin:
First, a pre-quel, published before any polls closed last night...The American Conservative
Finally: you didn’t like Romney that much either. So are you really surprised? The entire Republican primary was a search for a “Not-Romney” candidate. In fact, you probably once contemplated voting for Newt Gingrich, Herman Cain, or Rick Santorum precisely because Romney was a flip-flopper who invented Obamacare in Massachusetts. Just a year ago, my dear conservative friend, you were likely very much against the idea of Romney being your nominee. So how can you be surprised that other Americans never warmed to him as a choice for president?
Erickson:
Like when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object, we now know what happens when a candidate so weak anybody can beat him meets a candidate so weak he cannot beat anybody. Americans vote for the status quo. $6 billion later, Americans voted for the status quo. Karl Rove, call your donors.
That's not entirely true...Mitt Romney beat Michele Bachmann in the primaries...and Herman Cain...and Rick Perry...and Rick Santorum...and Ron Paul...and Newt Gingrich...combined, that's like beating Christine O'Donnell.
| 763 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:49:22am |
re: #761 Eventual Carrion
The day is still young. But I hear Donny Trump is hosting a revolution.
Yeah, it's sitting on top of his head.
| 764 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:50:37am |
re: #761 Eventual Carrion
The day is still young. But I hear Donny Trump is
hostingfinancing a revolution.
Doesn't want any messy revolutionaries in his house.
| 765 |
darthstar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:51:40am |
Funny, I haven't thought about Mitt Romney's taxes all night. #p2 #election2012— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) November 7, 2012
| 766 |
darthstar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:52:24am |
My president is black, my senator is a lesbian and my congressman is gay. This is not your grandparents' America, and I'm ok with that.— Tori Dykes (@toridykes) November 7, 2012
| 767 |
Flounder Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:56:04am |
So who are the biggest losers?
1 Rush
2 Willard
3 Bill Clintons former ??? I can't remember. D'oh!
I put Rush first, he is so far out of touch with the American voting population I'm not sure why I listen.
| 768 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:57:26am |
I'm going to be unbearable for a while.
Not only did we get Florida, but the Panhandle county assigned to my Alabama regional OfA team turned in 70.1% Obama, the best result in Florida. We Built That.
[Link: elections.nytimes.com...]
| 769 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:57:56am |
Elected Positions
MAYOR
Hank Cobb (Republican - Incumbent) 74%
Senator (write-in candidate) 15%
Laurence Krout (Democrat) 10%DISTRICT ATTORNEY
Prince Rogers Nelson (Libertarian - Incumbent) 64.5%
Flavius Olestra (Libertine) 24.3%
Yolo Chandelierium (Atheist String Theorist Party) 11%MINE INSPECTOR
Ol' Huss (Coot Reform) 21.3%
Gil Harborough (Shaggy Butte Tea Party) 18%
Hunter Crane (Crime Island Syndicate) 10%
Jesse Crawford (Christian Board Gamers) 7.2%
Pete Loam (Libertarian) 6.7%
Wilbur Stack (Christian Prayer Warriors for Israel) 5.9%
Tanya Phillips (Mommy Bloggers United) 4.6%
Allister McGovern III (Titanic Survivors) 5.3%
Senator (write-in candidate) 4.2%
Greg Pollock (Aryan Brotherhood) 3.8%
Rex Dunwhip (God's Freedom Riders) 3.8%
Calhoun Manford (Eye of Ra Party) 2.7%
Leeland "Omega Child" Starborn (UFO Truth Party) 1.3%
Ol' Pete (Coot - Incumbent) .5%
Reginald Dalton (Proud Bedwetters) .2%Note: Due to a clerical error that can only be corrected by the elected mine inspector, the position pays a salary of $722,000 per year.
| 770 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:59:08am |
Coward @realdonaldtrump deleted his revolution tweets. Too bad for him there's such a thing as the internet. j.mp/YYdRp1 #p2— Devin (@devbost) November 7, 2012
| 771 |
sattv4u2 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:00:37am |
Now here's something you (thankfully) don't see every day
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]
Man, 23, Arrested After Flashing His Breast Implants At Fellow Walmart Shoppers
| 772 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:01:50am |
Off to walk the dog, and spread my blue blessings over my benighted red neighbors. BBL
| 773 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:14:35am |
re: #772 Decatur Deb
Off to walk the dog, and spread my blue blessings over my benighted red neighbors. BBL
Pretty sure you're supposed to pick those up in most communities.
| 774 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:15:56am |
Snap! xkcd tweaks the noses of math-denialist pundits: [Link: xkcd.com...]
BREAKING: To the surprise of pundits, numbers continue to be best system for determining which of two things is larger.
| 775 |
ProGunLiberal Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:16:03am |
Woke up to see Puerto Rico Statehood held at 61%.
I can't believe it.
| 776 |
iossarian Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:20:42am |
re: #774 wheat-dogghazi
Snap! xkcd tweaks the noses of math-denialist pundits: [Link: xkcd.com...]
BREAKING: To the surprise of pundits, numbers continue to be best system for determining which of two things is larger.
Ha. I don't always dig xkcd but that's pretty apt.
Wonder if they had something else in the wings just in case, though.
| 777 |
Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:20:49am |
One of my favourite tweets around this election. I guess my only comment is that anything else would call for an entirely new business plan from most of today's media sources.
RT @adamserwer: Republicans should feel betrayed by conservative media that told them what they wanted to hear stead of what was happening.
— davidfrum (@davidfrum) November 7, 2012
| 778 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:21:46am |
re: #775 ProGunLiberal
Woke up to see Puerto Rico Statehood held at 61%.
I can't believe it.
Wow, that's phenomenal. Welcome to the crazy train, Puerto Rico.
| 779 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:22:36am |
re: #776 iossarian
Knowing the xkcd guy, he probably ran his own numbers, just to be sure Nate Silver was right.
| 780 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:23:40am |
re: #778 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
Wow, that's phenomenal. Welcome to the crazy train, Puerto Rico.
They can take the place of Texas.
| 781 |
Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:25:27am |
Well. I believe my last words were, "Obama won."
And he did.
Morning in America.
| 782 |
darthstar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:26:19am |
| 783 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:28:50am |
re: #780 Vicious Babushka
They can take the place of Texas.
Apparently they elected the anti-statehood governor, though.
The future of the island's political status, however, also is dependent on who governs the island.
According to partial election results, pro-statehood Gov. Luis Fortuno was ousted by a razor thin margin by an opponent who supports the island's current political status.
With 96 percent of precincts reporting, challenger Alejandro Garcia Padilla with the Popular Democratic Party received 48 percent or 870,005 votes. Fortuno, a Republican and leader of the New Progressive Party, received 47 percent or 855,325 votes.
Fortuno has not issued comment, while Garcia celebrated what he called a victory.
"I can assure you we have rescued Puerto Rico," Garcia said. "This is a lesson to those who think that the well-being of Puerto Ricans should be subjected to ideologies."
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
| 785 |
Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:30:56am |
This is the battle for the GOP in a nutshell. Excerpt from the Freepers:
Like a lot of Americans I prayed to God for a Romney victory, I humbly asked that the almighty help carry the day for all Americans by delivering us from President Obama and to help good Christians set this country right. Today I am vexed by the answer I got. I believe God is saying that the fight is not over, the road to change and salvation is a long one, don't give up, but I'm not sure any longer.
So I'll pray again today, this time I'll ask God, "Where Do I Go From Here?" and I'll listen close for an answer, I'll wait for a sign or a signal. Hope I get an answer soon.
What was that Einstein (attributed) quote on insanity again?>>>>
| 786 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:31:45am |
Bill O'Reilly says minorities, women - everyone but the white man - feel that they're "entitled to stuff." goo.gl/gyt3b— Erin Cunningham (@erinmcunningham) November 7, 2012
| 787 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:33:38am |
re: #785 Petero1818
I'll wait for a sign or a signal. Hope I get an answer soon.
Obama winning seems like a pretty clear sign to me. What does he want God to do, hit him in the head with a 2x4?
| 788 |
ReamWorks SKG Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:34:00am |
| 789 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:34:16am |
Good morning lizards!
Well congrats to Obama and the Dems. They won a good fight. My team lost but as a Cubs fan I can take it like a man.
:)
| 790 |
ReamWorks SKG Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:35:19am |
I am really disappointed in my fellow Californians for proposition 30. This is a pure-evil class-warfare play that will do nothing to solve California's fiscal problems and drive folks like me from the state.
But I am glad that the tide is turning for gay-marriage on the ballot.
| 791 |
Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:35:39am |
re: #786 Vicious Babushka
[Embedded content]
Entitled to stuff like voting, and control over their own bodies. How can they be so ungrateful after we gave them so much/////
| 792 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:36:35am |
Gonna be in a meeting all day so I cant stay long. I hope both sides can finally get something done this time. Put the bickering aside and get down to doing some work.
| 793 |
lawhawk Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:36:50am |
The sound and fury from the GOP has ended with a whimper and while the most strident members will be licking their wounds, expect the vitriol to be turned to 11ty within a few days as they continue their obstructionist tactics all the way to 2016.
Instead of this being a learning opportunity that putting lies, slanders, and misrepresentations out there and that running an extremist campaign in the primaries and attempting to tack to the center for the general election wont work because everyone knows what the party's true intentions are, they're going to take the opposite lesson - that they didn't go extremist enough.
Fact is that the GOP skewered bipartisanship - when you get GOPers attacking Gov. Chris Christie for showing support and working with the Obama Administration to help his wounded state from the devastating hurricane that killed dozens across NY and NJ and will rank as one of the costliest disasters in US history, you know something is terribly broken.
Christie's as partisan as they come, and yet he put aside partisanship to help his state. That's a trait seriously lacking from so many in the GOP that it's sad.
Oh, and kudos to Nate Silver and others who had predicted an Obama win - one that wasn't nearly as close as the pundits claimed it to be - and certainly not what the GOP extremists thought (where some pollsters were claiming a landslide victory for the GOP) or that the numbers were being made up by pro-Obama types.
Fact is that the nation didn't want the Romney message - and they sent that message loud and clear.
The electoral college results show that - and the margin in popular vote wasn't nearly as close as the right wishes it to be.
Congrats to the Obama campaign and those involved in their GOTV. They got the job done.
Now, let's get to work. There's lots to do.
| 794 |
Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:36:58am |
re: #787 wheat-dogghazi
Obama winning seems like a pretty clear sign to me. What does he want God to do, hit him in the head with a 2x4?
The Lord works in mysterious ways....
| 796 |
Lidane Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:41:02am |
Nate Silver is a stats god. The image on the right is his final prediction. The image on the left is the actual results:
If anyone can talk shit for at least a week after this, it's him.
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ReamWorks SKG Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:41:03am |
Well, Rush Limbaugh now has job security (and material) for 4 more years!
Ok! Just arrived here in Lisbon! Need to get sh-t, showered, shaved and shined. TTYL
(I'm going to go down to Porto to see a Pierre Boulez concert at Casa de Musica, conducted by Bradley Lubman. That's the reason for this trip.)
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:42:16am |
re: #797 ReamWorks SKG
Well, Rush Limbaugh now has job security (and material) for 4 more years!
Ok! Just arrived her in Lisbon! Need to get sh-t, showered, shaved and shined. TTYL
Enjoy your stay!
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Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:42:45am |
re: #796 Lidanghazi
Nate Silver is a stats god. The image on the right is his final prediction. The image on the left is the actual results:
If anyone can talk shit for at least a week after this, it's him.
Yeah but he doesn't know shit about Colorado///
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:43:01am |
dude staying here (a fight with his wife, me guessing) is playing over and over and over, "love songs" (including WHAM!!) on his computer. I may have to kill him.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:43:27am |
Even the babies are thankful for #ObamaBiden2012 ....too cute! twitter.com/attympollard/s...— Mitzi Pollard (@attympollard) November 7, 2012
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Big Steve Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:43:29am |
I am just pleased that the popular vote and the electoral college vote were in the same direction and we don't have to deal with that distraction.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:44:28am |
re: #803 Gus
Anyone see Nate Silver yet? :D
Nate Silver is a wizard! Drown the Wizard!
(Because math is, you know, MAGIC)
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Mattand Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:44:35am |
re: #792 NJDhockeyfan
Gonna be in a meeting all day so I cant stay long. I hope both sides can finally get something done this time. Put the bickering aside and get down to doing some work.
Here's something I just posted to FB that speaks to what you're saying:
I'm very happy about the cooperation that Obama and Christie have shown, and I don't want to harsh any birpartisan mellow.
However, people need to stop this whole "it's both parties' fault" crap. The GOP spent the last 4 years obstructing Obama, and it went all Wile E. Coyote in their faces last night.
There was a huge message sent last night. And I'm not confident that the people who needed to hear it were listening.
Seriously, NJD, it's up to people like you to fix this. Admit to the problem and deal with it. I don't know how much clearer Obama's re-election needs to be for you guys.
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ReamWorks SKG Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:44:40am |
re: #804 Vicious Babushka
Who the hell still has a CRT?! And she shouldn't sit so close! There are x-rays!
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Lidane Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:46:01am |
re: #803 Gus
Anyone see Nate Silver yet? :D
Congrats to @fivethirtyeight , Nate Silver. Way to stick to your guns and ignore the noise !— Mark Cuban (@mcuban) November 7, 2012
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wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:47:00am |
re: #788 ReamWorks SKG
Bemvindo a Portugal!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:47:05am |
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:47:14am |
Cali voted to keep the death penalty. Bummer.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:47:43am |
re: #803 Gus
Last I heard, he was busy making pagan sacrifices. Or presiding over gay marriages in Sodom. (or both) After all, he singlehandedly brought down the country with his prognostication/soothsaying. /
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ReamWorks SKG Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:47:52am |
re: #805 Big Steve
After Gore, the Republicans put a "retain the electoral college" plank in the platform.
(See [Link: www.gop.com...] )
I was perversely looking forward to Romney winning the popular vote just to see the Republicans try to backpedal!
Ok! Now I really need to run. I'm very disappointed about Prop 30, but I'm OK with Obama.
| 818 |
Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:48:23am |
re: #806 Vicious Babushka
(Because math is, you know, MAGIC)
Coming from somebody who works with math for a living, I can testify that there are many, MANY people who do consider math equivalent to magic.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:48:50am |
re: #443 goddamnedfrank
So, I wonder what's next for Reince Priebus. Is the GOP going to put him in The Wicker Man?
NOT THE BEEESSS!
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kirkspencer Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:49:24am |
re: #785 Petero1818
This is the battle for the GOP in a nutshell. Excerpt from the Freepers:
What was that Einstein (attributed) quote on insanity again?>>>>
And reading that quote, all I can think of is the old joke of the man who died in the flood.
"I waited on the roof for you to rescue me? Why did you foresake me?"
"I sent a canoe, a motorboat, and even a helicopter. Why did you not listen to me?"
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Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:50:21am |
re: #814 Cannadian Club Akbar
Crying in some corner of his house. LOL
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Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:50:43am |
I think that this election came down to three things:
1. The empathy gap - Exit polling show that Obama won this by a whopping 85/15 total. At the end of the day, people don't like Romney, they dont connect with him, they don't want to have a beer with him, and they don't think that he gives a rats ass about them.
2. The economy has improved - No matter how hard they tried, the GOP could not come straight out and ask "are you better off now than you were 4 years ago" because the truth is most are. The nation is on a far better path, unemployment is falling, home prices are starting to rise. American's seem to have understood that it takes more than 3 years to climb out of the mess that had been created.
3. Demographics. It turns out that a war against women and latinos is not a great method. Nor is relying on people over 80 to get out the vote.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:51:12am |
| 824 |
lawhawk Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:51:46am |
Oh, and let me once again vent that #NJTransit sucks. A 2 hour commute by bus (should take no more than an hour normally). Too many people left with no other mass transit option other than bus, and too few buses to handle the overflow from a lack of rail options.
It's another reason that mass transit is critical to the efficient movement of people in urban areas. Without it, those places can't function.
And Gov. Christie has to drop the hammer on both NJ Transit and the Port Authority to do more - and to do it quickly. It's an intolerable situation that harms the regional economy. But the disaster response from both public authorities also shows why neither can truly be trusted with major infrastructure projects - they can't manage their existing infrastructure, let alone repair it in any semblance of a timely manner (though in some areas, the fault resides with the utilities - who also deserve their own special place in hell).
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Big Steve Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:52:29am |
re: #807 Mattand
My guess is the GOP's response is going to go full Ted Cruz. Young, Hispanic, Harvard Law school, articulate....and a Tea Party guy. At a minimum for VP in '16. Interestingly.....was born in Canada of American parents working abroad.
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Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:52:41am |
paging @twitchyteam, @michellemalkin; MT @rob_coh 17 people who love America so much they want to assassinate Obama. bit.ly/VD2uE3— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) November 7, 2012
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Lidane Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:52:58am |
@joshtpm Karl Roves meltdown last night reminded me of Randolph Duke screaming "turn those machines back on" at the end of trading places.— kenneth lorge (@kenlorge) November 7, 2012
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Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:54:56am |
Colorado becomes the first state to Legalize Marijuana for recreational use!!— High Tweets (@iSpeakMarijuana) November 7, 2012
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Lidane Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:56:01am |
there's always Canada....RT @vicjackshow I can't stop crying. America died.— Eric Boehlert (@EricBoehlert) November 7, 2012
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Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:56:12am |
I want to play poker with Sheldon Adelson.— Jeffrey Goldberg (@JeffreyGoldberg) November 7, 2012
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:56:22am |
re: #831 Lidanghazi
[Embedded content]
Whine, whine, complain, complain. How many of these actually GO to Canada?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:56:56am |
re: #830 Gus
[Embedded content]
" In a related note, many voted twice because they were stoned and forgot they voted".
///
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:57:18am |
re: #833 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
Whine, whine, complain, complain. How many of these actually GO to Canada?
Canada has single-payer health care. SOSHULIZM!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:58:00am |
re: #835 Vicious Babushka
Canada has single-payer health care. SOSHULIZM!
Their booze cost too much.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:58:39am |
re: #824 lawhawk
And the #NJTransit and #PANYNJ response doesn't compare to what the #MTA has done. They've gone and restore most service to a system vastly larger than the #PATH system in less time though the South Ferry station will be closed indefinitely due to flood damage; other service will be back in a few days more - but they got the system up and running into Lower Manhattan faster than anyone could hope to expect.
That's not to say that the MTA isn't in for criticism either. They don't get sufficient funding to disaster-proof their system, let alone routine maintenance from the state to cover operating budgets (and that's on the legislature and Gov. Cuomo). There was insufficient protection to those underwater tunnels to prevent them from flooding - or at least reduce the flooding. More has to be done in that area.
And people have to remember that NYC got lucky because the storm came in a couple of hours ahead of high tide. If it coincided with high tide, the storm surge would have exceeded what we already saw with devastating consequences. We need to be prepared to deal with that kind of flooding - and that's going to take a significant amount of capital and investment from the state and local level, plus the feds.
Better to spend the money in preventative actions, than wait for the disaster that cripples the system for weeks/months - costing far more in the process.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:59:12am |
re: #790 ReamWorks SKG
I am really disappointed in my fellow Californians for proposition 30. This is a pure-evil class-warfare play that will do nothing to solve California's fiscal problems and drive folks like me from the state.
But I am glad that the tide is turning for gay-marriage on the ballot.
Y'all come to Alabama now, heah?
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Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:59:29am |
A comprehensive review of last night's SWEEPING VICTORY for LGBT equality thkpr.gs/QnWsWA— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) November 7, 2012
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jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:59:38am |
re: #590 Barflytom
What a disaster !
No doubt all you lefties are pleased at Obama getting re-elected.
Good luck to you.
I'm sure all the people who live at the expense of others will do reasonably well for a few more years, but it won't last forever.
Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of my business, but I'm not going to bother now. I met two other chaps tonight who are going to stop recruiting any more people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.
It seems that turkeys really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas.
Don't you mean thanksgiving?
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Lidane Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:59:52am |
#tcot is hilarious this morning.
On a related note, I am pleasantly hungover today. Time to get moving and get to work.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:00:33am |
| 843 |
Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:01:22am |
Remember when Paul Ryan falsely accused Obama at RNC over closing of his hometown GM plant? Janesville voted overwhelmingly for Obama-Biden.— John Nichols (@NicholsUprising) November 7, 2012
| 844 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:01:24am |
re: #826 Big Steve
My guess is the GOP's response is going to go full Ted Cruz. Young, Hispanic, Harvard Law school, articulate....and a Tea Party guy. At a minimum for VP in '16. Interestingly.....was born in Canada of American parents working abroad.
His birf certifikat has layers, trust me.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:01:47am |
Locally in NJ, Pascrell beat Boteach and Garrett won handly in Northern NJ key races and Menendez easily won in his Senate race against Kryillos.
NJ voters also approved both ballot questions - one to approve a $750 million bond for higher education and the other to change judicial compensation.
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Lidane Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:02:16am |
re: #842 Vicious Babushka
"Pleasantly hungover" is an oxymoron. What you mean is that you are still drunk.
Haha, probably.
I didn't even have that much. I'm just a lightweight.
| 849 |
Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:02:21am |
re: #590 Barflytom
What a disaster !
No doubt all you lefties are pleased at Obama getting re-elected.
Good luck to you.
I'm sure all the people who live at the expense of others will do reasonably well for a few more years, but it won't last forever.
Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of my business, but I'm not going to bother now. I met two other chaps tonight who are going to stop recruiting any more people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.
It seems that turkeys really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas.
Sorry for your loss and...
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha! FAIL!
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Mattand Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:02:44am |
re: #826 Big Steve
My guess is the GOP's response is going to go full Ted Cruz. Young, Hispanic, Harvard Law school, articulate....and a Tea Party guy. At a minimum for VP in '16. Interestingly.....was born in Canada of American parents working abroad.
Probably. The GOP was supposedly dead in the water in '08, and we saw how that worked out.
BTW, Steve, in case you missed my 2nd response to your post about how you voted, wealthy people like yourself need to stop with the "Obama is picking on us poor rich people" nonsense.
It's fostering that ridiculous, Fox News-based class warfare fantasy and it needs to stop. The President doesn't hate you because you're successful.
The freaking stock market doesn't believe it; why should anyone else?
| 851 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:03:40am |
STANd for your Scause!
I would like to see a wrist band designed for the #TeaParty . I want to meet and associate with those who see things as I do.— JCorb (@JDCorbin50) November 7, 2012
| 853 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:04:39am |
| 854 |
Big Steve Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:04:44am |
| 856 |
Kronocide Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:06:04am |
re: #840 jamesfirecat
Don't you mean thanksgiving?
I think he means screw you guys you suck whaaah. Read more like a passive aggressive smite.
| 857 |
William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:06:33am |
re: #840 jamesfirecat
Don't you mean thanksgiving?
His ignorance needs to be held up to the world as a shining example of pure teabagger wingnut. He's even dumber than ed last night. What a maroon.
That and rotating title nomination - "The turkey's really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas"
| 858 |
Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:06:45am |
re: #854 Big Steve
yes.....huge
Really? (I have to go to bed soon) We was outspent by 4 or 5 to 1 in the primaries against the same party.
| 859 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:07:59am |
re: #590 Barflytom
For Barflytom, this next bit from Grover Norquist will read like a feast for the eyes. For those of us who are grounded in reality, its an masterpiece of unintentional hilarity. It's short, so I'm just going to post it in full (link to original):
Obama won a smaller percentage of American votes in his reelection than in his win in 2008.
America gave him less support after watching him govern for four years than when he ran promising hope and change. Normally a reelected president expands his margin of support.
The Republican majority in the House was reelected after spending two years opposing Obamacare, Obama’s taxes, and Obama’s spending. This president spent his campaign attacking Mitt Romney as a person. The election did solidify one thing. The modern Republican party is the party of the Ryan Plan: No tax hikes, Reaganesque tax reform, and entitlement reform. Before today, many believed that entitlement reform was political poison.
The Republican House was reelected after not just touching but fondling the “third rail of American politics.” It is clear that if you are specific about your reforms they cannot as easily be misrepresented to voters. The Republicans in the House all voted for Ryan. They lashed themselves to the mast and thrived. Romney hinted he was sort of in that general vicinity. One party has a plan that has been tested successfully in the fires of an election. The other party cannot even write a budget that wins a single Democrat vote.
Onward.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:08:01am |
| 861 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:08:10am |
re: #857 William Barnett-Lewis
Turkey is the traditional Christmas meal in England, and in a lot of the US. Remember Bob Cratchett?
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Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:10:02am |
re: #831 Lidanghazi
[Embedded content]
I understand Americans wanting to flee up here when the GOP wins elections. I don't get Republicans who want to come up here when the Dems win. Our ruling Conservative party is essentially more socialistic than the Democratic party. We have completely socialized medicine. Higher personal taxation rates.re: #841 Lidanghazi
#tcot is hilarious this morning.
On a related note, I am pleasantly hungover today. Time to get moving and get to work.
And by that you mean sitting on your ass collecting entitlements don't you?////
| 864 |
Flounder Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:10:50am |
Dick Morris is the guy I couldn't remember. Now I get to hear how the Republican party lost because it wasn't conservative enough.
| 865 |
Big Steve Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:11:05am |
re: #850 Mattand
Probably. The GOP was supposedly dead in the water in '08, and we saw how that worked out.
BTW, Steve, in case you missed my 2nd response to your post about how you voted, wealthy people like yourself need to stop with the "Obama is picking on us poor rich people" nonsense.
It's fostering that ridiculous, Fox News-based class warfare fantasy and it needs to stop it. The President doesn't hate you because you're successful.
The freaking stock market doesn't believe it; why should anyone else?
I never felt the President hated me....In fact there are two things I am very careful about on my LGF posts.....I never make fun of names....so I always referred to Mr. Obama as President Obama and Mr. Romney as Mr. Romney. Second, I refuse to buy into the meme that one has to hate the other guy.
However, clearly as an election strategy and as a revenue source the President has indicated that those making more that $250k per year need to pay a higher percentage in taxes than they currently do. This is a bald fact. I don't hate him for that I just simply disagree that this will be successful and it does have a personal impact on me.
| 866 |
SidewaysQuark Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:11:37am |
Sigh of relief.
Romney was a formidable opponent - anyone else in the clown car would have made the country a blue landslide.
However, given that the "RINOs" McCain and Romney have both "failed" the GOP now, expect to see conservatism further implode as it goes from ludicrously nutso to completely diving-off-the-cliff insane in the next few years, because 'obviously' their chosen candidates lost because they "aren't conservative enough".
| 867 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:11:50am |
re: #858 Cannadian Club Akbar
Really? (I have to go to bed soon) We was outspent by 4 or 5 to 1 in the primaries against the same party.
The Tea Party likes him, and that was enough for Texas. Now we'll see if he can be become an effective senator, as has fellow Cuban-American Marco Rubio. To do so, Cruz is gonig to have to work to change the attitudes of the Texas GOP. His success or failure in any such efforts (and if he makes no such efforts he'll have failed in my eyes) may determine the fate of the GOP in Texas as the state's demographics change.
| 869 |
kirkspencer Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:12:29am |
Ted Cruz won roughly 60% of the vote. As a result, DeMint has another echo in the Senate.
Fortunately for the Dems it appears they actually gained seats in a year they were expected to lose them.
And I know I have to wait for the final numbers to come in but it looks to me like the margin in the house narrowed as well. Sure, I'd have liked to have seen it switch but, well, numbers...
If (and it is still an if) Reid and company follow through with their filibuster modification threat then it's going to make 2014 hilarious as the cover of the "senate with the democratic majority also rejected" goes away. That will bring even greater spotlight on just who is making government not work.
It's not going to be a great four years, but it'll be a lot better than it could have been.
| 870 |
wheat-dogghazi Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:12:34am |
It's now 11 pm where I am. In between doing work for my classes tomorrow, taking care of a sick friend and watching the BBC coverage of the election, I've been hanging out here at LGF. My first time hanging out for an election here was really cool. Overall, I had a good day. (Though my friend is miserable with a bad cold.)
Four more years of Obama, a Democratic majority in the Senate, fewer wingnuts in Congress, legal pot in Colorado, same-sex marriage legal in Maryland, and Puerto Rico is edging closer to statehood.
Good times.
Have a good day, y'all!
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Big Steve Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:13:38am |
re: #858 Cannadian Club Akbar
Really? (I have to go to bed soon) We was outspent by 4 or 5 to 1 in the primaries against the same party.
Yes he was outspent in the primary by David Dewhurst who has a personal fortune to spend. In the general election he won easy.
| 875 |
Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:14:49am |
Why I Was Wrong dickmorris.com/why-i-was-wron… #Election2012 #romney #obama @hannityshow @america_live @drudge_report @gretawire #gop #tcot
— Dick Morris (@DickMorrisTweet) November 7, 2012
| 876 |
Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:15:24am |
re: #590 Barflytom
What a disaster !
No doubt all you lefties are pleased at Obama getting re-elected.
Good luck to you.
I'm sure all the people who live at the expense of others will do reasonably well for a few more years, but it won't last forever.
Doesn't matter to me much - I was considering expanding part of my business, but I'm not going to bother now. I met two other chaps tonight who are going to stop recruiting any more people just to avoid the expenses imposed by Obamacare.
It seems that turkeys really can be persuaded to vote for Christmas.
Derp!
Hahahahahaha!
| 877 |
Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:15:27am |
re: #875 Benghazzy Ben Ross
I’ve got egg on my face. I predicted a Romney landslide and, instead, we ended up with an Obama squeaker.
Squeaker.
| 878 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:15:50am |
re: #865 Big Steve
However, clearly as an election strategy and as a revenue source the President has indicated that those making more that $250k per year need to pay a higher percentage in taxes than they currently do. This is a bald fact. I don't hate him for that I just simply disagree that this will be successful and it does have a personal impact on me.
It has worked in the past, and the report suppressed by the GOP showed that breaks in the top tax rate have had no positive effect on the economy.
Do you think that the continued increase in disparity between the wealthy and the poor is a problem we need to address?
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Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:17:28am |
re: #875 Benghazzy Ben Ross
But the more proximate cause of my error was that I did not take full account of the impact of hurricane Sandy and of Governor Chris Christie’s bipartisan march through New Jersey arm in arm with President Obama. Not to mention Christe’s fawning promotion of Obama’s presidential leadership.
It made all the difference.
Yep. Sandy. All the difference. All of it.
| 881 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:20:15am |
good morning fellow lizards. Have to say I slept really well last night.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:22:43am |
| 884 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:23:56am |
re: #883 Vicious Babushka
Prepare for a lot of "the only real Jews are the Israelis" sentiment. Mostly by people who have no clue how secular Israel is.
| 885 |
Big Steve Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:24:36am |
re: #878 Obdicut
Do you think that the continued increase in disparity between the wealthy and the poor is a problem we need to address?
That is a good question. Yes. Great inequities within any society is the most significant driver of social upheaval. However the Federal government has been actively addressing this since the 1930's and yet the gap continues to grow. So, no I don't believe what we have done in the past is working. It is also a complex issue interwoven with family, race, innate ability, gender, and a host of other issues. We already have a graduated tax rate and still have significant debt. More of the same won't work.
| 886 |
William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:24:38am |
While it is a good day today, just remember this, it's only 1,154 days till the Iowa caucuses... ;)
| 887 |
Kronocide Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:24:50am |
So global warming caused Romney to lose?
Must be a sign from God.
I thought I'd be happier with the dearth of wingnut tears: I am not. The tide of petulant fucking children acting like sore losers is really disheartening. The prognosticating about 'Obama: mandate?' was happening yesterday afternoon from those in conservative punditry who saw the writing on the wall and had some grasp on reality.
The rest of them are wallowing in pity and despair. Though there is some hope in noting so much money thrown to support ignorant backwards ass ideology and the public still chose progress over regression, the dark sinister forces of ignorance and hate will regroup and return.
| 888 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:25:10am |
re: #884 Obdicut
Prepare for a lot of "the only real Jews are the Israelis" sentiment. Mostly by people who have no clue how secular Israel is.
Israeli rabbi: Finally, I can say it: I’m happy about Obama!
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Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:25:12am |
re: #875 Benghazzy Ben Ross
Its a funny article. He explains the "key reason" for the GOP loss and his false prediction is a demographic shift they simply didn't appreciate as permanent. But he goes on to say that the "proximate" cause they lost was Sandy and Chris Christie. Apparently Obama stole the "bipartisan" mantle from Romney. Here is the reality. Romney is a polticial opportunist without a shred of backbone or ideological integrity. He was Bipartisan in MA because had he not been, he might as well have sat in his office and played tiddly winks. I don't doubt that Romney would have worked across the aisle. I think he would do whatever he had to to secure his legacy. Obama I believe would work across the aisle because he would believe it is the right thing to do for a divided country. The electorate can smell that shit like cheap cologne.
| 890 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:27:33am |
re: #886 William Barnett-Lewis
While it is a good day today, just remember this, it's only
1,15447 1/2 days till theIowa caucusesChristmas... ;)
Improved.
| 891 |
Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:27:33am |
22 hours ago...
Wishing @barackobama a happy retirement party tonight!— Reince Priebus (@Reince) November 6, 2012
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:27:38am |
re: #886 William Barnett-Lewis
While it is a good day today, just remember this, it's only 1,154 days till the Iowa caucuses... ;)
My TPGOP primary debate line-up:
Bachmann
Jindal
Christie
Golum
| 893 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:27:57am |
re: #885 Big Steve
That is a good question. Yes. Great inequities within any society is the most significant driver of social upheaval. However the Federal government has been actively addressing this since the 1930's and yet the gap continues to grow. So, no I don't believe what we have done in the past is working. It is also a complex issue interwoven with family, race, innate ability, gender, and a host of other issues.
Right there with you up to this point:
We already have a graduated tax rate and still have significant debt. More of the same won't work.
We have a much lower graduated tax rate than we have in the past, and that has been a main contributor to the deficit. It is not possible to talk about this without acknowledging that. Raising taxes back to previous levels alone wouldn't be sufficient, but it would hugely help.
In addition, we cut spending in a recession, which is deeply foolish. The problems we have in the US with debt are overspending during the boom times, not in necessary spending during recessions.
| 894 |
lawhawk Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:28:38am |
re: #886 William Barnett-Lewis
While it is a good day today, just remember this, it's only 1,154 days till the Iowa caucuses... ;)
We're on it Cthulhu/Zod 2016 is off and running (on both parties). We're here to stay. Aint no stopping us now!
| 895 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:29:36am |
| 896 |
Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:29:43am |
re: #888 Vicious Babushka
Israeli rabbi: Finally, I can say it: I’m happy about Obama!
And he is not exactly secular.....
| 897 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:30:27am |
re: #888 Vicious Babushka
Israeli rabbi: Finally, I can say it: I’m happy about Obama!
That's fucking offensive.
"The only real Irish are the Provos."
| 900 |
Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:31:15am |
re: #886 William Barnett-Lewis
While it is a good day today, just remember this, it's only 1,154 days till the Iowa caucuses... ;)
DIAF
///
| 902 |
William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:31:50am |
re: #892 Decatur Deb
My TPGOP primary debate line-up:
Bachmann
Jindal
Christie
Golum
It'll be Santorum/Huckabee in 2016. Santorum came in 2nd so he's the anointed one ("messiah") for that election. Then the party will need a southern theocrat to balance the northern papist/theocrat so that the religious hate right wing won't abandon them.
| 903 |
jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:31:53am |
re: #859 Dark_Falcon
For Barflytom, this next bit from Grover Norquist will read like a feast for the eyes. For those of us who are grounded in reality, its an masterpiece of unintentional hilarity. It's short, so I'm just going to post it in full (link to original):
The fact that Obama won by a smaller margin predicts dire things about his chances should he run for president again in 2016.... oh... wait....
(Good to have you back DF glad to see you're taking this in stride)
| 904 |
b_Snark Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:32:49am |
Obama - 303
Romney - 206
Where are the other 29 EVs?
Did Bachman survive?
| 905 |
Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:33:29am |
Obama won both his "home" states, HI and IL.Romney lost all four of his, MI, MA, NH, CA.— Dee Dee Myers (@deemyers) November 7, 2012
| 906 |
lawhawk Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:33:32am |
re: #898 dragonath
It's a commie plot! A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual. Certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works. /Gen. Ripper
| 907 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:33:45am |
re: #904 Canucknghazi
Obama - 303
Romney - 206Where are the other 29 EVs?
Did Bachman survive?
That pattern must not be calling Florida.
| 908 |
b_Snark Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:33:56am |
re: #902 William Barnett-Lewis
It'll be Santorum/Huckabee in 2016. Santorum came in 2nd so he's the anointed one ("messiah") for that election. Then the party will need a southern theocrat to balance the northern papist/theocrat so that the religious hate right wing won't abandond them.
I want to see a Bachman/Palin ticket.
| 909 |
lawhawk Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:34:26am |
re: #904 Canucknghazi
Florida.
And that's leaning towards Obama, so that it would match the 538/Silver analysis (again).
| 910 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:34:26am |
re: #903 jamesfirecat
The fact that Obama won by a smaller margin predicts dire things about his chances should he run for president again in 2016.... oh... wait....
(Good to have you back DF glad to see you're taking this in stride)
I've not been favorably disposed to Grover Norquist for a long time. That DERP he put out on NRO deserved a backhand, and I gave it one.
And thank you.
| 911 |
William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:34:35am |
re: #903 jamesfirecat
In the end, DF is conservative, not reactionary. This is a significant difference.
| 912 |
Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:34:56am |
| 913 |
Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:35:24am |
Washington Post: Romney Immediately Regretted Benghazi Response livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/washingt... via @benjysarlin— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) November 7, 2012
Ya think?
| 914 |
jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:35:47am |
| 915 |
kirkspencer Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:36:25am |
re: #904 Canucknghazi
Obama - 303
Romney - 206Where are the other 29 EVs?
Did Bachman survive?
Florida is close enough its probably going to generate the automatic recount.
Fortunately it's probably not going to matter, and so won't be 2k redux.
| 916 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:36:41am |
re: #904 Canucknghazi
Obama - 303
Romney - 206Where are the other 29 EVs?
Did Bachman survive?
Yes, sad to say. By over 4,000 votes.
| 917 |
Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:37:25am |
You know what pisses me off? All of these gentiles pretending to speak for Jews or Israel. And I'm not Jewish so I can't imagine how Jews feel about this.
| 918 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:38:55am |
re: #917 Gus
You know what pisses me off? All of these gentiles pretending to speak for Jews or Israel. And I'm not Jewish so I can't imagine how Jews feel about this.
Pisses me off too.
| 919 |
Eventual Carrion Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:39:28am |
| 920 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:40:05am |
re: #883 Vicious Babushka
Jewish vote, including the Orthodox vote, went overwhelmingly to Obama.
Pam haz a rage.
That's fucking offensive.
"The only real Irish are the Provos."
AAK. Meant to make the "Provo" comment to this entry, not the late-arriving rabbi.
| 921 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:40:48am |
re: #920 Decatur Deb
That's fucking offensive.
"The only real Irish are the Provos."
AAK. Meant to make the "Provo" comment to this entry, not the late-arriving rabbi.
| 922 |
jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:41:07am |
re: #919 Eventual Carrion
Let him go, he's on a roll.
OVER? OVER? THIS ELECTION ISN'T OVER TILL WE DECIDE IT IS!
---Karl Rove
| 923 |
erik_t Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:41:37am |
re: #916 Dark_Falcon
Yes, sad to say. By over 4,000 votes.
| 924 |
Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:41:50am |
Freepers are now turning on Catholics. Pretty sad to watch.
| 925 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:42:41am |
re: #920 Decatur Deb
That's fucking offensive.
"The only real Irish are the Provos."
AAK. Meant to make the "Provo" comment to this entry, not the late-arriving rabbi.
#921 altered to reflect your correction.
| 926 |
Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:42:48am |
re: #918 Vicious Babushka
Pisses me off too.
The self-described "experts." Always babbling about "liberal Jews!" Nothing is ever in the context of Jewish or Israeli culture but instead if it's not about "end times" it's about some geo-political power struggle and using Israel and Jews for a religious war they're hell bent on prosecuting.
| 927 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:43:02am |
re: #924 Petero1818
Freepers are now turning on Catholics. Pretty sad to watch.
Every once in a while they eat each other and there are mass ZOTs (what they call flounces and bans). I've seen it.
| 929 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:44:07am |
re: #924 Petero1818
Freepers are now turning on Catholics. Pretty sad to watch.
The anti-Mormon puke they've been holding in check has also surfaced in the comments.
| 930 |
lawhawk Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:44:19am |
Israel has survived with Democrats and GOPers in the White House - there have been good administrations, bad ones, and ambivalent ones.
IMO, those that help Israel the most are the ones that don't try to push a peace process that the sides themselves can't or wont do.
Obama falls into that group. He may have started off his 2008 rhetoric by suggesting a resumption of a peace process, but ended up not forcing the issue. That's not to say he wont try again as a legacy building operation, but the intervening years may have created that opportunity at least with Fatah. Hamas is a lost cause, and with it Gaza. Elections have still to be held with the Palestinians to see which way they want to go, and I don't think it's going to change things - Hamas and Fatah are firmly entrenched in their respective areas. Obama's smart enough to see that, and therefore we'll see the status quo continue.
Despite claims that Obama has hung Israel out to dry, the facts don't show that. Obama hasn't cut loan guarantees or foreign aid as some other Administrations have done re: settlements/housing. He's not forcing the issue, and the final status will need to be negotiated between the parties.
None of that has changed.
What has changed is the circumstances in Egypt and Syria (and possibly in Jordan and Lebanon). That's something that Israelis need to warily watch for, but the US isn't about to let the Camp David agreement collapse, or the Israel-Jordan peace collapse either. We'll just be watching what Assad and the Lebanese government do (and do to each other).
| 931 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:45:02am |
re: #927 Vicious Babushka
Every once in a while they eat each other and there are mass ZOTs (what they call flounces and bans). I've seen it.
ZOT sounds like it should stand for "Zombie Outbreak Threat". Maybe we should nuke FreeRepublic from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
| 933 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:45:43am |
re: #921 Dark_Falcon
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Have you no decency? This is not the morning-after to play bloody rock and roll. Where the hell is Freetoken's plainchant?
| 934 |
jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:46:21am |
re: #928 Gus
Sadly, this will not be a teaching moment for the GOP.
Oh it's a teaching moment... but the GOP insists on homeschooling so what do the teachers know, bunch of union thugs...
| 935 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:46:34am |
re: #892 Decatur Deb
My TPGOP primary debate line-up:
Bachmann
Jindal
Christie
Golum
The bar is set so low for the GOP that I'd actually root for (though probably not vote for) Christie just on the basis of him taking the high road and not being a complete and utter tool re: Sandy.
Sad state of affairs when a Republican acting halfway decently is more surprising than a Republican blowing the racist dogwhistle electric vuvuzela and blaming disasters on gays and immigrants.
| 936 |
Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:46:47am |
Greetings this fine morning, O ye denizens of Saurotopia. I'm here to take personal credit for the victories of Elizabeth Warren in Massachusetts, Sherrod Brown in Ohio, and Obama/Biden nationwide. My wife and I sent money to Obama, Warren and the Ohio Democratic party, she canvassed door-to-door in New Hampshire last Sunday, and both of us worked at polling places and door-to-door locally on Tuesday. I even called my sister in Ohio yesterday to remind her to vote. If it weren't for us, the Dems would have been toast.
On the downside, I must also accept personal responsibility for Michele Bachmann's re-election. I failed to send any money to support her opponent. My bad. I'll try to do better next time.
I'll be here for a while to accept your heartfelt thanks, and also to offer my congratulations to all the other fine folk who also singlehandedly won this thing for the forces of truth and justice. We done good.
| 937 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:47:05am |
re: #933 Decatur Deb
Have you no decency? This is not the morning-after to play bloody rock and roll. Where the hell is Freetoken's plainchant?
If I have offended, I apologize.
| 938 |
kirkspencer Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:47:18am |
Way back upthread BFT suggested a book (that he hadn't read) called "three felonies a day".
the full tile is "Three Felonies a Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent." It's by Harvey Silvergate. Looking at the full title I don't think it would surprise you to learn he is, among other things, the cofounder of (and current chairman of the board) for FIRE.
I mention all this to show how you should have a salt-shaker when reading the book. It's actually got some good information and an argument worth considering, but in my opinion tends to be heavy-handed and fails to present the other side as anything more than a strawman.
Just general info for the lizards.
| 939 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:47:40am |
re: #934 jamesfirecat
Oh it's a teaching moment... but the GOP insists on homeschooling so what do the teachers know, bunch of union thugs...
Sadly, Michigan voters squashed a state proposal to amend the constitution to protect collective bargaining rights for public employees.
| 940 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:48:17am |
re: #937 Dark_Falcon
If I have offended, I apologize.
Raggin 'on ya, Dark--I've a bit of a head this morning. Must be the change of seasons.
| 941 |
Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:48:40am |
re: #917 Gus
You know what pisses me off? All of these gentiles pretending to speak for Jews or Israel. And I'm not Jewish so I can't imagine how Jews feel about this.
The reality is that most Jews know that no group speaks for Israel and for Jews. A room full of 10 Jews is likely to have 11 different opinions on the same issue. I am Jewish, I don't get angry about gentiles pretending to speak for Israel and Jews, I know their end game and I know their support of Israel and Jews is merely a means to their own end. I get angrier when I see Jews try to speak for Israel and Judaism. Israel is one of the most fractured polities on earth. I often tell fellow Jews to not get so excited when they find support amongst the religious right in the US. We are a convenient ally, nothing more.
| 942 |
jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:49:04am |
So hands up... who else has 538 open in another window and is reloading every five minutes or so waiting to see the chances of Obama victory to spike up to 100.0%?
| 943 |
Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:49:16am |
re: #928 Gus
Sadly, this will not be a teaching moment for the GOP.
They are too busy home schooling to notice.
| 944 |
b_Snark Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:49:25am |
re: #907 Decatur Deb
That pattern must not be calling Florida.
Calling Florida what?
re: #916 Dark_Falcon
Yes, sad to say. By over 4,000 votes.
Why do people vote that loon in?
| 945 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:49:26am |
re: #915 kirghazi
Florida is close enough its probably going to generate the automatic recount.
Fortunately it's probably not going to matter, and so won't be 2k redux.
It's well past time to put some federal election standards in place. The state & local control model doesn't seem to work worth a shit.
| 946 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:49:29am |
This thread is just humming along! Usually when we get to this mass of posts, the hamsters are struggling to haul the uphill load. I am so glad that Charles replaced the hamsters with a herd of duck-sized horses!
| 947 |
Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:50:16am |
| 949 |
jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:50:34am |
re: #946 Vicious Babushka
This thread is just humming along! Usually when we get to this mass of posts, the hamsters are struggling to haul the uphill load. I am so glad that Charles replaced the hamsters with a herd of duck-sized horses!
Clearly the hamsters are/were in the tank for Obama and want us to be able to read all about his glorious victory.
| 950 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:51:16am |
re: #933 Decatur Deb
Have you no decency? This is not the morning-after to play bloody rock and roll. Where the hell is Freetoken's plainchant?
Freetoken has a [welcome] penchant for Modernist composers - some of that stuff is more metal than Black Sabbath in a steel mill.
| 952 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:52:01am |
| 953 |
dragonath Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:52:37am |
re: #913 Gus
Romney's advisers sound like they were Al Gore bad.
| 954 |
b_Snark Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:52:48am |
re: #927 Vicious Babushka
Every once in a while they eat each other and there are mass ZOTs (what they call flounces and bans). I've seen it.
Been there, done that.
I have no scars.
| 955 |
William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:53:12am |
re: #861 Obdicut
Turkey is the traditional Christmas meal in England, and in a lot of the US. Remember Bob Cratchett?
Just saw this but Obi, it's Goose not turkey that was traditional at Christmas. BFT is just ignorant.
| 956 |
darthstar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:53:27am |
There were a lot of reporters embedded with the Romney campaign that were never allowed to quote anyone directly, but the tape was always rolling. Let the "Inside the Mitt Romney Campaign" tell-all books commence!
Already we see leaks that Romney really was a person of character, despite his outward shameless politicizing of American deaths and his appearance as someone who would bend to the extreme of his party out of fear of THEIR anger (Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi).
| 957 |
Shiplord Kirel Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:53:41am |
re: #928 Gus
Sadly, this will not be a teaching moment for the GOP.
A case in point from the Land of Despair and Desertion, Free Republic:
The betrayal by our elites and the false conservative "snakes in the grass" who cost us the election
As last night's awful events have painfully proven, we're continuing to lose ground and our movement is being undermined, above all due to the treachery, blindness and incompetence of the GOP leadership to the forces gutting us from within. Our elites continue to betray the most basic conservative principles, and this is especially so for the snakes in the grass who've infiltrated our party as conservatives when they're anything but.
Too long-winded to quote directly any further, but the writer goes on to praise certain European countries for cracking down on "minarets and Muslims," excluding outsiders from their social services, and resisting the spread of shariah law (except in "dhimmified" Britain).
| 958 |
Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:53:47am |
How 'bout too right wing? "GOP soul-searching: 'Too old, too white, too male'?" via @politico politi.co/WyH1Oc— Borzou Daragahi (@borzou) November 7, 2012
Republicans stung by loss begin debate over future | bloom.bg/TKLPfF— Bloomberg News (@BloombergNews) November 7, 2012
| 959 |
Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:54:04am |
re: #951 Gus
Here’s Video Evidence of Why Everyone Thought Diane Sawyer Was Shitfaced On Air Last Night
Diane Sawyhazi!!!
| 960 |
Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:54:19am |
Typical. I still don't see the GOP changing in any significant way. They'll just try some other new gimmick.
| 961 |
erik_t Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:55:03am |
re: #944 Canucknghazi
Why do people vote that loon in?
Frankly, I think starbursts have something to do with it. Sad to say that this will be the reason, but she'll be out in six or eight years regardless of what else happens politically.
| 962 |
jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:55:51am |
re: #955 William Barnett-Lewis
Just saw this but Obi, it's Goose not turkey that was traditional at Christmas. BFT is just ignorant.
In my family we just stick with roast beast.
| 964 |
dragonath Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:57:35am |
re: #960 Gus
Typical. I still don't see the GOP changing in any significant way. They'll just try some other new gimmick.
The Tea Party is going to be a canker sore on the side of the GOP for a long, long time. They'll never have serious credibility with latinos as long as they keep re-electing people like Joe Arpaio and Lou Barletta.
| 966 |
Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:58:12am |
Fantastic photo of Obama at victory celebration, from NYT gallery. nytimes.com/slideshow/2012... by @dougmillsnyt twitter.com/nytjim/status/...— Jim Roberts (@nytjim) November 7, 2012
| 967 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:58:30am |
re: #965 Gus
I am LMAO at that right now.
| 968 |
dragonath Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:58:32am |
| 969 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:59:20am |
re: #955 William Barnett-Lewis
Just saw this but Obi, it's Goose not turkey that was traditional at Christmas. BFT is just ignorant.
Tougher to get goose these days. Most stores don't sell it. In Illinois and Wisconsin you can go hunting and shoot a goose, though. Better to do that in November, because by December they tend to have all gone south.
| 970 |
Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:00:01am |
Opening SNL skit next week is Rove berating Meghan Kelly and the other asshat brett baird over the Ohio call.
| 971 |
Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:00:14am |
re: #955 William Barnett-Lewis
Just saw this but Obi, it's Goose not turkey that was traditional at Christmas. BFT is just ignorant.
Turkeys are native to the New World. It couldn't be that traditional in England.
| 972 |
Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:01:04am |
re: #969 Dark_Falcon
Tougher to get goose these days. Most stores don't sell it. In Illinois and Wisconsin you can go hunting and shoot a goose, though. Better to do that in November, because by December they tend to have all gone south.
My local supermarket stocks frozen geese, but they're damn expensive.
Tasty, though. It's like a duck the size of a turkey.
| 973 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:01:28am |
re: #969 Dark_Falcon
I've seen goose for sale in several markets around the holidays, then again I live in California and can find pretty much any type of meat if I look in the right places. Used to get venison too.
| 974 |
dragonath Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:02:21am |
England without turkeys, Ireland without potatoes, Italy without tomatoes...
The Old World must have kind of sucked in those days.
| 975 |
Mattand Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:02:29am |
re: #865 Big Steve
I never felt the President hated me....In fact there are two things I am very careful about on my LGF posts.....I never make fun of names....so I always referred to Mr. Obama as President Obama and Mr. Romney as Mr. Romney. Second, I refuse to buy into the meme that one has to hate the other guy.
However, clearly as an election strategy and as a revenue source the President has indicated that those making more that $250k per year need to pay a higher percentage in taxes than they currently do. This is a bald fact. I don't hate him for that I just simply disagree that this will be successful and it does have a personal impact on me.
I also fall into the income level that President Obama routinely pillories and to be honest, not only is that an economic driver for my vote but it is emotional in that I am tired of being inferred as greedy.
That was the basis for my response. He doesn't routinely pillory wealthy people. It's that class warfare nonsense that Fox, Rush, et. al., have been pushing, and comments like this don't help.
| 976 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:03:13am |
re: #969 Dark_Falcon
Tougher to get goose these days. Most stores don't sell it. In Illinois and Wisconsin you can go hunting and shoot a goose, though. Better to do that in November, because by December they tend to have all gone south.
Canada geese squat here all year long. They are varmints.
The reason more farmers don't raise geese, they are mean critters. It's much easier to raise dumb, passive turkeys.
The problem with Canada geese is, because they are wild, may contain a bunch of parasites and toxins that you do not find in domesticated bird, therefore can present a health hazard.
| 977 |
Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:03:35am |
Another freeper classic:
Considering women were happy to carry the worst failure of a president over the finish line, not once but twice. All in the name of protecting the “right” to butcher babies and the “right” to screw whoever they want and get free birthcontrol; I think i’ll pass on giving women any authority in the church.
| 978 |
lawhawk Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:03:42am |
Capturing the Trump and Victoria Jackson meltdowns on twitter.
[Link: gawker.com...]
Trump could wipe away their tears with $100 bills and have tons left over. He's going to be just fine as the money man in the birther nation.
He might even manage to avoid yet another bankruptcy for his companies. That'd be something. But even if he did go into bankruptcy for a 5th time, he'd find a way to blame everyone but himself for his awful business acumen (but he's quite the PT Barnum propagandist).
| 979 |
Obdicut Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:03:42am |
re: #955 William Barnett-Lewis
Just saw this but Obi, it's Goose not turkey that was traditional at Christmas. BFT is just ignorant.
I'm sorry man, you're wrong. Turkeys got imported from the New World and became hugely popular.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
It dates back a few hundred years. It's a tradition.
| 980 |
dragonath Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:04:57am |
Actually, I've had some food that was supposedly made with all Old World ingredients. It wasn't bad. Mediterranean food is pretty tasty too.
Mmm, grape leaves!
| 981 |
kirkspencer Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:05:02am |
| 982 |
Shiplord Kirel Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:05:04am |
re: #974 dragonath
England without turkeys, Ireland without potatoes, Italy without tomatoes...
The Old World must have kind of sucked in those days.
The truth about the Heroic Age of Exploration is that all those conquistadors, sea dogs, and freebooters fanned out across the world, and conquered a good part of it, mostly because they were looking for something decent to eat.
| 984 |
b_Snark Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:06:18am |
982 comments and the thread is just cruising.
Nicely done Charles.
| 985 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:06:41am |
| 986 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:06:55am |
re: #983 dragonath
Switzerland without chocolate.
The horror...
Global warming may destroy the world's cacao plantations.
| 988 |
The Questionable Timing of a Flea Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:08:03am |
re: #971 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Turkeys are native to the New World. It couldn't be that traditional in England.
Wikipedia:
The 16th-century English navigator William Strickland is generally credited with introducing the turkey into England. His family coat of arms — showing a turkey cock as the family crest — is among the earliest known European depictions of a turkey. English farmer Thomas Tusser notes the turkey being among farmer's fare at Christmas in 1573. The domestic turkey was sent from England to Jamestown, Virginia in 1607. A document written in 1584 lists supplies to be furnished to future colonies in the New World; "turkies, male and female".
Prior to the late 19th century, turkey was something of a luxury in the UK, with goose or beef a more common Christmas dinner among the working classes. In Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol (1843), Bob Cratchit had a goose before Scrooge bought him a turkey.
400-someodd years can still been seen as "recent" given the timescale involved. It's amazing how food was transformed by borrowing from New World staples. Imagine European (or for that matter Asian) gastronomy without chiles, potatoes, tomatoes, vanilla, and a fistful of other things we take for granted.
Nowadays goose is very uncommon and fairly pricey...at least in the US; I dunno about the UK.
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b_Snark Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:08:12am |
re: #986 Vicious Babushka
Global warming may destroy the world's cacao plantations.
You did not just say that.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:08:56am |
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Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:09:39am |
One Conservative got this election right.
If we don't run Chris Christie, Romney will be the nominee and we'll lose.
-Ann Coulter
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jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:09:56am |
re: #988 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea
Wikipedia:
400-someodd years can still been seen as "recent" given the timescale involved. It's amazing how food was transformed by borrowing from New World staples. Imagine European (or for that matter Asian) gastronomy without chiles, potatoes, tomatoes, vanilla, and a fistful of other things we take for granted.
Nowadays goose is very uncommon and fairly pricey...at least in the US; I dunno about the UK.
"showing a turkey cock as the family crest"
That does not mean what I think it means... right?
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Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:10:42am |
For posterity. NYT final print edition: "Obama's Night" twitter.com/nytjim/status/...— Jim Roberts (@nytjim) November 7, 2012
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kirkspencer Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:11:26am |
re: #992 jamesfirecat
"showing a turkey cock as the family crest"
That does not mean what I think it means... right?
If you mean a male turkey you're right.
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Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:13:01am |
Then Biden was like... twitpic.com/bb0u8y— BuzzFeed (@BuzzFeed) November 7, 2012
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jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:14:07am |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:14:36am |
re: #958 Gus
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That seems to be the tone of things this morning. There's a decent piece from Ed Morrisey at Hot Air "A few thoughts on the end of the campaign — and the beginning of a big challenge'. Conservatives seem to be taking responsibility for their failure so far and seem to be asking the right questions. Not sure if they'll find the right answers though. Surprisingly little complaints about stolen elections.
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Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:14:38am |
The Winning Team: The Commander-in-Chief and ("America's Happy Warrior") VP Joe Biden. #Obama2012 twitter.com/utaustinlibera...— utaustinliberal (@utaustinliberal) November 7, 2012
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Kronocide Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:15:10am |
re: #981 kirghazi
And they then claim there is no war on women.
The war only started when them uppity women tried to leave the kitchen. They started it.
I'm really not enjoying the wingnut freakouts. Note the deafening lack of mea culpas and introspection. The ignorant hordes will regroup and restrengthen then return.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:15:30am |
re: #992 jamesfirecat
"showing a turkey cock as the family crest"
That does not mean what I think it means... right?
Correct. When chickens, turkeys, and pigeons are being discussed, 'cock' simply refers to a male bird. Male turkeys are more often called "Toms" nowadays, in part due to the fact that 'cock' became known as a vulgarity for "penis".
With pigeons, this is especially inconvenient, since it means one almost always has to use "male pigeon" for fear of being seen as speaking inappropriately.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:16:41am |
From wiki, quote up thread:
Prior to the late 19th century, turkey was something of a luxury in the UK, with goose or beef a more common Christmas dinner among the working classes. In Charles Dickens' A Christmas Carol (1843), Bob Cratchit had a goose before Scrooge bought him a turkey.
This was probably the source of my thinking on this. Live & learn :)
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The Questionable Timing of a Flea Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:18:03am |
Post heraldry, the phrase "Turkey cock displayed" is no longer a part of polite society.
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Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:18:59am |
#Romney Concession Speech and #Obama Victory Speech
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Kronocide Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:19:09am |
re: #997 Killgore Trout
That seems to be the tone of things this morning. There's a decent piece from Ed Morrisey at Hot Air "A few thoughts on the end of the campaign — and the beginning of a big challenge'. Conservatives seem to be taking responsibility for their failure so far and seem to be asking the right questions. Not sure if they'll find the right answers though. Surprisingly little complaints about stolen elections.
Uh, no change:
That reality presents a challenge to the GOP and to conservatives. We do not need to change our values, but we do need to find ways to communicate them in an engaging and welcoming manner. We need to think creatively about big issues, philosophy, and how we can relate conservative values to the needs of a wider range of voters. Conservatism cannot become constrictionism, or the realignment will continue, and it will become ever more difficult to win national elections.
Get that: we don't need to change our values, we need to communicate them more effectively.
Wrong. Conservatism needs to change it's values not merely repackage it's marketing. The product stinks.
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Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:20:07am |
re: #1004 Ghazicide
Uh, no change:
Get that: we don't need to change our values, we need to communicate them more effectively.
Wrong. Conservatism needs to change it's values not merely repackage it's marketing. The product stinks.
Like I said. They'll just look for a new gimmick to sell their snake oil.
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Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:20:25am |
re: #997 Killgore Trout
That seems to be the tone of things this morning. There's a decent piece from Ed Morrisey at Hot Air "A few thoughts on the end of the campaign — and the beginning of a big challenge'. Conservatives seem to be taking responsibility for their failure so far and seem to be asking the right questions. Not sure if they'll find the right answers though. Surprisingly little complaints about stolen elections.
I am not convinced. I see a ton of hand wringing lamenting the death of the white majority but defiantly vowing to soldier on. I see fewer "why does our party seem to only attract geriatric white guys" comments than I do people saying "catholics and women lost us this election - damn them to hell". This is a very fractured party. Much like they were going into the primaries, but with more than anecdotal evidence to go on next time around. I just don't see the base coming out to support anyone but a lunatic, and I don't see a lunatic winning the general electorate.
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Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:21:11am |
My Conservative Facebook friends are all crying about Socialism.
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Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:21:34am |
re: #1007 Benghazzy Ben Ross
My Conservative Facebook friends are all crying about Socialism.
They should move to Canada////
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Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:22:01am |
re: #1008 Petero1818
They should move to Canada////
Oh wait, you mean they don't like Socialism...../
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:22:28am |
This is the Daily Mail's article and photo spread of the Obama family at the President's victory party last night. Of note to me is how much Malia Obama resembles her mother:
Image: article-2229201-15E3FA22000005DC-609_964x981.jpg
I mention it mostly because it reminds me of the way my mother resembles photographs of her own mother.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:23:48am |
re: #1010 Dark_Falcon
This is the Daily Mail's article and photo spread of the Obama family at the President's victory party last night. Of note to me is how much Malia Obama resembles her mother:
Image: article-2229201-15E3FA22000005DC-609_964x981.jpg
I mention it mostly because it reminds me of the way my mother resembles photographs of her own mother.
I look at my oldest daughter and I see how much she resembles my mother's mother. I look at my middle daughter and see how much she looks like my father's mother. I look at my youngest daughter and I think "OMG I gave birth to my mother-in-law!"
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Mattand Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:24:40am |
re: #1004 Ghazicide
Uh, no change:
Get that: we don't need to change our values, we need to communicate them more effectively.
Seriously: "We need to effectively communicate to the American public that if a woman gets pregnant via rape, she should be forced to bear the kid."
Look, I'm looking for that silver lining in which conservatives finally had reality hit them in the head with a 2x4. That Ed Morrisey piece isn't it.
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erik_t Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:25:17am |
I don't believe I've ever seen four-digit post counts. A little laggy for me, but still impressive. Those hamsters are juicing.
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Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:26:09am |
re: #1014 erik_t
I don't believe I've ever seen four-digit post counts. A little laggy for me, but still impressive. Those hamsters are juicing.
Now you know where Lance went to hide out.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:26:58am |
Rep. West isn't conceding his race as per an email - they're holding to that claiming that they had a 2,000 vote lead until a first review ended up with his opponent getting a 2,400 lead (a 4,400 vote swing against West) and voting irregularities.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:27:49am |
re: #1013 Mattand
Seriously: "We need to effectively communicate to the American public that if a woman gets pregnant via rape, she should be forced to bear the kid."
Look, I'm looking for that silver lining in which conservatives finally had reality hit them in the head with a 2x4. That Ed Morrisey piece isn't it.
The GOP need's a loss of Nixon Versus McGovern like proportions to drive the point home.
Luckily that'll be coming around the bend in four years when they try to run Rick Santorum against Hillary Clinton.
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:28:30am |
re: #1014 erik_t
They were rare - because even with Scotty's help in giving it all she got, but she couldn't take it no more, the comment system would buckle under the load.
Now? It's humming along steadily. At least until Reddit deluges the system. Then, all bets are off.
| 1019 |
William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:28:40am |
It's getting quite laggy for me but most of that is the twitter crap that has to load of the pretty displays of them & my 10 year old laptop running out of CPU. I've had to restart my browser twice in this thread.
That said, prior to the LGF upgrades, I'd not be able to use it right now...
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b_Snark Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:29:11am |
re: #1017 jamesfirecat
The GOP need's a loss of Nixon Versus McGovern like proportions to drive the point home.
Luckily that'll be coming around the bend in four years when they try to run Rick Santorum against Hillary Clinton.
Hillary will be too old.
How about Michelle Obama?
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Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:29:24am |
re: #1004 Ghazicide
Uh, no change:
Get that: we don't need to change our values, we need to communicate them more effectively.
I can see the conversation with Adelson in a couple of years. "I am telling you Sheldon, the next billion is really the difference maker. we just need to yell louder and more often".
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:30:32am |
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:31:20am |
re: #1017 jamesfirecat
The GOP need's a loss of Nixon Versus McGovern like proportions to drive the point home.
Luckily that'll be coming around the bend in four years when they try to run Rick Santorum against Hillary Clinton.
I really wish I could understand why people keep thinking she'll run in 2016. I think that before the end of 2013 she'll retire & stay retired. Warren, Baldwin, Duckworth - those are the women to be keeping an eye on for 2016.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:31:22am |
re: #1020 b_snark
Hillary will be too old.
How about Michelle Obama?
First she has to be Pres Warren's Secretary of Health and Human Services..
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jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:31:38am |
re: #1020 b_snark
Hillary will be too old.
How about Michelle Obama?
Hilary will be 69, which isn't so bad considering that Ronald Reagan was 70 and women tend to live longer than men, plus we've got better healthcare now than we did back in the 80's.
| 1028 |
dragonath Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:32:02am |
Apparently New Jersey voted for Obama stronger this time than in 2008.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:32:57am |
re: #1028 dragonath
Apparently New Jersey voted for Obama stronger this time than in 2008.
People will vote for a candidate who provides them with effective disaster relief right after being hit by a hurricane.... I don't think even Nate Silver saw that coming!
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:32:59am |
Obama must have given him those transcripts, ya think?
I've sent a 10-wheeler filled with 358 master cases of food and supplies to my hometown of Queens today #TrumpCares— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 7, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:33:19am |
re: #1011 Vicious Babushka
I look at my youngest daughter and I think "I gave birth to my mother-in-law!"
That can happen too. I favor my father in my facial features but I have my maternal grandmother's curly hair.
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makeitstop Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:34:29am |
Two questions:
When does the Great Republican Purge of 2012 begin?
and
Who gets it in the neck? The few remaining moderates, or the nutjobs?
My money's on the Bat Guano wing casting out every RINO, real or imagined, in sight.
| 1034 |
kirkspencer Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:34:30am |
And yet... Whites still formed 72% of the electorate. (Romney "only" got 59%).
The lament is that whites aren't a block. What they fail to realize is that they've got policies and practices in place that force non-whites to vote against them in self-defense. If whites were truly challenged the way any minority experiences then they'd vote as a block as well.
As an aside, an observation from the exit polls. In the youngest age group (19-29) the breakdown is only 60% white, and they only gave 50% of their votes to the Republican. For what it's worth the big break, both for what percentage of whites vote D/R and for relatively larger non-white proportions, comes around the 39-40 age group.
What this means to me is that the republicans have at best 12 more years of viability unless they make changes. Each election that 60% white slice gets older and larger as younger voters join it. And as I've noted before if anything happens to excite the latino vote to even black levels of participation the clock loses even more time.
But they're zealots. They will continue working on being more pure to their message, trying to make it more palatable, and failing to understand that "You will love living beneath me" just doesn't cut it regardless how pretty the toilet seat may be.
| 1035 |
Interesting Times Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:34:44am |
I got to this thread late, and see the barfing tom comment I reported has already been deleted, but I just want to repeat it so we can all see what a disgusting, bigoted piece of filth he is:
Got the military stuck with an even worse situation with regard to buggers in battledress.
Hey filthy worthless bigot, those "buggers in battledress" are braver, stronger, smarter and more valuable to humanity than you can ever hope to be.
If you hate gays so much, please make good on your promise to bugger on out of America and move to a place more in tune with your values, like, say, Somalia.
[I could say other things, of course, but they'd violate LGF site policy]
| 1036 |
Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:35:00am |
Dont look now but Michelle Malkin is calling for Federal government intervention in state's electoral systems. These are confusing times for Conservatives.
| 1037 |
jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:35:33am |
re: #1033 makeitstopghazi
Two questions:
When does the Great Republican Purge of 2012 begin?
and
Who gets it in the neck? The few remaining moderates, or the nutjobs?
My money's on the Bat Guano wing casting out every RINO, real or imagined, in sight.
There's nobody left but we and thee, and we're not to sure about thee...
| 1038 |
Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:35:38am |
According to Noonan, “all the vibrations [were] right” for a Romney win because “something old was roaring back.” While this might be the right way to open an H.P. Lovecraft novel, it probably isn’t the best way to think about presidential elections.
lol
| 1040 |
makeitstop Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:35:47am |
re: #1026 Gus
Hot damn. Obama's victory speech is great.
His best speech ever. He keeps raising that bar, so it's probably a good thing that he won't be doing another campaign for office. Might lead to Awesome Overload.
| 1041 |
Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:36:14am |
re: #1030 Vicious Babushka
Obama must have given him those transcripts, ya think?
[Embedded content]
Somebody's PR consultant has taken the reigns this morning.
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Joanne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:36:27am |
re: #865 Big Steve
I never felt the President hated me....In fact there are two things I am very careful about on my LGF posts.....I never make fun of names....so I always referred to Mr. Obama as President Obama and Mr. Romney as Mr. Romney. Second, I refuse to buy into the meme that one has to hate the other guy.
However, clearly as an election strategy and as a revenue source the President has indicated that those making more that $250k per year need to pay a higher percentage in taxes than they currently do. This is a bald fact. I don't hate him for that I just simply disagree that this will be successful and it does have a personal impact on me.
I am curious why you think that you should pay a lower tax rate than others do. And why it is fair that as the dollar amount a person takes in deserves to pay less and less in tax percentage. Especially less when high income people often do not "earn" it, but they get it from interest, dividends, capital gains, etc. Why should that not be taxed at the same rate as any other American?
| 1043 |
dragonath Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:37:24am |
re: #1032 Gus
Do my eyes deceive me, or has Mississippi reached peak wingnut?!
That map is kind of misleading though. A map comparing 2010 with 2012 would be more interesting.
| 1044 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:37:47am |
re: #1030 Vicious Babushka
Obama must have given him those transcripts, ya think?
[Embedded content]
I’ve sent a 10-wheeler filled with 358 master cases of food and supplies to my hometown of Queens today #TrumpCares
Good start. Now go do mission work in a leper colony.
| 1045 |
Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:39:09am |
Conservatives welcome Obama victory -- in Britain lat.ms/StJFxt— L.A. Times World (@latimesworld) November 7, 2012
| 1046 |
Varek Raith Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:39:12am |
I have coffee and tv is back to normal.
Life is good.
| 1047 |
lawhawk Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:39:32am |
re: #1030 Vicious Babushka
Heh.
@realdonaldtrump Took you more than a week to arrange; which was slower than#FEMA and #ARC and local charities. +1 to private billionaires— lawhawk (@lawhawk) November 7, 2012
| 1048 |
Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:40:09am |
Redstate spinning furiously.
To the Extent that Conservatism Was on the Ballot, It Was Not Defeated
I don't know which election he was watching, but Conservatism was smacked down pretty hard.
| 1049 |
Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:41:31am |
re: #1047 lawhawk
Heh.
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Turns out the private sector has to deal with motivations that may be something less than altruistic. Whoddathunkit.
| 1050 |
b_Snark Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:42:08am |
re: #1039 lawhawk
It looks like there are a lot of level headed and caring politicians becoming visible on the left.
Booker would make a good WH politician.
| 1051 |
b_Snark Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:43:33am |
re: #1044 Decatur Deb
I’ve sent a 10-wheeler filled with 358 master cases of food and supplies to my hometown of Queens today #TrumpCares
Good start. Now go do mission work in a leper colony.
Why 358? Is there any significance beyond the truck capacity here? Did he get the digits of 538 mixed up?
| 1052 |
Varek Raith Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:44:51am |
re: #1051 b_snark
Why 358? Is there any significance beyond the truck capacity here? Did he get the digits of 538 mixed up?
Image: Master4CaseCapacity.jpg
Truck capacity.
| 1053 |
b_Snark Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:45:09am |
I went to upding myself because I agreed with the comment.
I really need to sleep.
| 1054 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:45:25am |
re: #1051 b_snark
Why 358? Is there any significance beyond the truck capacity here? Did he get the digits of 538 mixed up?
Capacity? Unless he doesn't know the difference between a 10-wheeler and an 18-wheeler, he's not talking about a very big truck.
| 1055 |
Interesting Times Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:45:52am |
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!Yeah ... that.twitter.com/Danielle2671/s...— CC (@canadiancynic) November 7, 2012
| 1056 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:46:40am |
| 1057 |
simoom Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:48:01am |
re: #875 Benghazzy Ben Ross
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I like how in his mea culpa write-up Dick Morris repeatedly refers to President Obama's ~332 to 206 win as a "squeaker" where as the prediction he's apologizing for was a 325 to 213 "landslide for Romney approaching the magnitude of Obama’s against McCain."
| 1058 |
Varek Raith Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:48:34am |
re: #1057 simoom
I like how in his mea culpa write-up Dick Morris repeatedly refers to President Obama's ~332 to 206 win as a "squeaker" where as the prediction he's apologizing for was a 325 to 213 "landslide for Romney approaching the magnitude of Obama’s against McCain."
Hah!
| 1059 |
Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:48:59am |
re: #1048 Benghazzy Ben Ross
Redstate spinning furiously.
I don't know which election he was watching, but Conservatism was smacked down pretty hard.
This is what I was talking about earlier. There is plenty of doubling down. They want to become the victim party. The oppressed minority. Standing on principle alone. Nothing to hide! There is a recognition that they are losing the demographics. But for true believers they would rather double down and lose than approach politics for what it is, a battle for the middle. Good luck with that.
| 1060 |
Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:49:05am |
re: #1057 simoom
I like how in his mea culpa write-up Dick Morris repeatedly refers to President Obama's ~332 to 206 win as a "squeaker" where as the prediction he's apologizing for was a 325 to 213 "landslide for Romney approaching the magnitude of Obama’s against McCain."
I know. It's ridiculous.
| 1061 |
Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:51:12am |
GOP starting major soul-searching process.Not to worry, should only last a few days.
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) November 7, 2012
| 1062 |
simoom Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:51:35am |
A cute Michelle & Barack photo from last night:
Image: 8i2jU.jpg
| 1063 |
Interesting Times Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:51:54am |
Great Toon. Fuck yeah. twitter.com/amk4obama/stat...— amk4obama (@amk4obama) November 7, 2012
| 1064 |
lawhawk Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:51:55am |
re: #1054 Decatur Deb
It's a box truck - easier to get into NYC neighborhoods. Probably a 26 footer.
| 1065 |
b_Snark Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:52:13am |
re: #1057 simoom
I like how in his mea culpa write-up Dick Morris repeatedly refers to President Obama's ~332 to 206 win as a "squeaker" where as the prediction he's apologizing for was a 325 to 213 "landslide for Romney approaching the magnitude of Obama’s against McCain."
He predicted Romney would take the popular vote by 5 or 6 points, if memory serves. Obama only won by ~2 points.
Picayune, isn't it?
| 1066 |
dragonath Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:53:10am |
re: #1032 Gus
One more thing about that map. Obama looks like might have won Ohio because he picked up votes in the southern regions. That's a pretty interesting development.
| 1067 |
Joanne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:53:41am |
re: #956 darthstar
Already we see leaks that Romney really was a person of character, despite his outward shameless politicizing of American deaths and his appearance as someone who would bend to the extreme of his party out of fear of THEIR anger (Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi).
These two statements do not coexist happily together. You cannot be A if B exists.
| 1068 |
Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:54:35am |
| 1069 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:55:22am |
re: #1033 makeitstopghazi
Two questions:
When does the Great Republican Purge of 2012 begin?
and
Who gets it in the neck? The few remaining moderates, or the nutjobs?
My money's on the Bat Guano wing casting out every RINO, real or imagined, in sight.
I wouldn't expect a great populist purge like we saw after 08. The Tea Party was a disaster and the revival of libertarian wackos is still hurting the party today. I also don't expect them to purge the religious right either, they've been part of the party infrastructure for far too long. I wouldn't be surprised to see a slow gravitation towards more moderate voices such as Frum. Probably making more of an effort to vet congressional candidates early on to weed out nutcases, more funding to prop up more electable candidates against them in the primaries. I really think the only way forward for American conservatism is less fundamentalism. I don't think there's much doubt about it. It'll be interesting to see what they do.
| 1070 |
jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:57:40am |
re: #1068 Benghazzy Ben Ross
If they get it what are their senators likely to be like, does anybody know/have theories?
| 1071 |
Varek Raith Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:57:42am |
| 1072 |
simoom Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:58:07am |
re: #1065 b_snark
He predicted Romney would take the popular vote by 5 or 6 points, if memory serves. Obama only won by ~2 points.
No one runs a national campaign because of the EV system, so we can only guess at how, under a popular vote system, if his campaign was pursuing maximizing his popular vote share, it would have shook out. It obviously would have been a very different campaign.
| 1073 |
Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:59:11am |
re: #1070 jamesfirecat
If they get it what are their senators likely to be like, does anybody know/have theories?
Not sure, honestly.
| 1074 |
Joanne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:59:44am |
re: #1005 Gus
Like I said. They'll just look for a new gimmick to sell their snake oil.
Romney pulled the ultimate gimmick; repackaging the same GOP things (taxes, drilling, regulations) as change. Yes, he was the change agent in this election.
Snake oil will always be snake oil, no matter how Frank Luntz tries to sell it.
| 1075 |
KingKenrod Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:00:10am |
re: #1069 Killgore Trout
I wouldn't expect a great populist purge like we saw after 08. The Tea Party was a disaster and the revival of libertarian wackos is still hurting the party today. I also don't expect them to purge the religious right either, they've been part of the party infrastructure for far too long. I wouldn't be surprised to see a slow gravitation towards more moderate voices such as Frum. Probably making more of an effort to vet congressional candidates early on to weed out nutcases, more funding to prop up more electable candidates against them in the primaries. I really think the only way forward for American conservatism is less fundamentalism. I don't think there's much doubt about it. It'll be interesting to see what they do.
The GOP would go along way towards revival if they would just drop the extremist positions on immigration and abortion, like the Dems dropped gun control a few years back. These positions are all risk, no reward. Let the fundies sit at home stewing in their own idiocy on election day, there are far more votes in the middle.
| 1076 |
Varek Raith Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:00:37am |
re: #1069 Killgore Trout
I wouldn't expect a great populist purge like we saw after 08. The Tea Party was a disaster and the revival of libertarian wackos is still hurting the party today. I also don't expect them to purge the religious right either, they've been part of the party infrastructure for far too long. I wouldn't be surprised to see a slow gravitation towards more moderate voices such as Frum. Probably making more of an effort to vet congressional candidates early on to weed out nutcases, more funding to prop up more electable candidates against them in the primaries. I really think the only way forward for American conservatism is less fundamentalism. I don't think there's much doubt about it. It'll be interesting to see what they do.
First they have to purge the nutcases in power now.
I'm skeptical.
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Joanne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:00:43am |
re: #1008 Petero1818
They should move to Canada////
Or my favorite last night. Someone on FR told another poster to move to France. It's nice there and Paris has pretty women.
France. Amazing.
| 1078 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:00:58am |
It will also be interesting to see how congressional Republicans behave now, I'm sure the Beghazi and Fast-Furious investigations will continue for partisan political show but I think impeachment hearings are off the table now. Will they be more conciliatory in passing needed legislation or are they going to continue with obstructionism? We'll have to wait and see.
| 1080 |
Varek Raith Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:02:27am |
They also have to drop the socon nonsense and the anti science crap.
Yeah...
I don't see it happening.
| 1081 |
Joanne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:02:53am |
re: #1022 Vicious Babushka
Elizabeth Warren!
I am betting the GOP Senator's are kicking themselves for not confirming her to the CPB.
| 1082 |
Jadewater Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:03:14am |
Hey all trying to keep up with the thread.
I'm tired. Stayed up to late watching your election. :) Ended up my whole family was up. I talked to my Mom on the phone at 1:30am! She never stays up that late.
Anyhoo, I've been wandering around right wing world looking at the reactions. Came across lots of stuff about the catholic vote and what to do about it. I think the most brilliant well thought out solutions those peeps have come up with is the 'purge em' strategy. Yep lets kick all the bad Catholics out of the church or something along those lines.
I can't help but laugh at this. Yes brainiacs kicking people out will somehow automatically make them vote the way you want because we all know that getting kicked automatically makes them vote the other way or takes away their ability to vote at all.
The brainpower at play is astounding on that one.
| 1083 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:03:47am |
re: #1075 KingKenrod
The GOP would go along way towards revival if they would just drop the extremist positions on immigration and abortion, like the Dems dropped gun control a few years back. These positions are all risk, no reward. Let the fundies sit at home stewing in their own idiocy on election day, there are far more votes in the middle.
Agreed. I think they're also going to have to get on board with health care reform and start displaying some common sense on tax policy. It's going to take quite an effort.
| 1084 |
Schadenfreude 'r' Us Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:04:33am |
re: #1079 Lidanghazi
Hahaha:
Most of that line is SO going to be disappointed.
("Look! Up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's -- Nate Silver?!")
| 1085 |
makeitstop Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:04:40am |
re: #1069 Killgore Trout
I wouldn't expect a great populist purge like we saw after 08. The Tea Party was a disaster and the revival of libertarian wackos is still hurting the party today. I also don't expect them to purge the religious right either, they've been part of the party infrastructure for far too long. I wouldn't be surprised to see a slow gravitation towards more moderate voices such as Frum. Probably making more of an effort to vet congressional candidates early on to weed out nutcases, more funding to prop up more electable candidates against them in the primaries. I really think the only way forward for American conservatism is less fundamentalism. I don't think there's much doubt about it. It'll be interesting to see what they do.
McConnell's statement last night, within minutes of the election being called, would argue against any sort of moderation. It reeked of butthurt and delusion, making McConnell look like he had no realization that his style of obstruction was significantly weakened last night.
Obama needs to get out in front of the obstructionists and call them out.
I'll say it again. Make them own their radicalism. Let there be no mistaking who is holding up what here.
(Edited to eliminate a double negative.)
| 1086 |
dragonath Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:05:51am |
In state races across the midwest:
In Michigan, Republicans lose about a half dozen seats in the state house.
In Wisconsin, Republicans regain control of the State Senate
In Ohio, Democrats retake the governorship but Republicans keep the legislature
In Indiana, Pence wins Governor, a hair over 50%. R Legislature unchanged.
In Illinois, Republican wins Guv, Dems keep legislature
In Iowa, Democrats win State House seats under a R Governor
In MInnesota, Democrats/DLFers regain state legislature under a D Governor
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kirkspencer Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:05:58am |
re: #1066 dragonath
One more thing about that map. Obama looks like might have won Ohio because he picked up votes in the southern regions. That's a pretty interesting development.
Echoes something I think I saw in the early exit polls. Lower income whites may have moved more Democratic. Yes, the heavy resistance in the Appalachian crescent and Dixie still exists, but there was a bit of movement. Add that to everything else and it reinforces the idea that the Republican party is the WORM (White Old Rich Men) party.
| 1088 |
Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:06:59am |
| 1089 |
Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:07:28am |
re: #1085 makeitstopghazi
I think the GOP moderates (what is left of them) will have to throw 2016. Let the wingnuts have their candidates. Let them get blown out in epic fashion and start again. I don't see another path because if they don't get a wingnut candidate for the GOP the wingnuts will go it alone next time which is be definition a losing battle.
| 1090 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:07:36am |
| 1091 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:08:31am |
re: #1035 Interesting Times in Benghazi
I got to this thread late, and see the barfing tom comment I reported has already been deleted, but I just want to repeat it so we can all see what a disgusting, bigoted piece of filth he is:
Hey filthy worthless bigot, those "buggers in battledress" are braver, stronger, smarter and more valuable to humanity than you can ever hope to be.
If you hate gays so much, please make good on your promise to bugger on out of America and move to a place more in tune with your values, like, say, Somalia.
[I could say other things, of course, but they'd violate LGF site policy]
"barflytom" isn't even really a troll, IMO. He's a Troglodyte:
Troglodyte seems to have emerged from the mists of time untouched by human evolution. Devoid of a single progressive idea and lacking the slightest awareness of social and cultural advances, Troglodyte has developed an incoherent political philosophy that he characterizes as "conservative" or "libertarian", but which could be more accurately described as "bigoted narcissism". His aggressive posturing often frightens off weaker, more timid Warriors. In pitched battle, however, Troglodyte easily loses control and his attack quickly degenerates into a rant. Just for the fun of it, Weenie, Issues. Pinko and Evil Clown will sometimes deliberately goad him into a towering rage.
Bolding mine.
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Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:08:40am |
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kirkspencer Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:08:52am |
re: #1085 makeitstopghazi
McConnell's statement last night, within minutes of the election being called, would argue against any sort of moderation. It reeked of butthurt and delusion, making McConnell look like he had no realization that his style of obstruction was not weakened last night.
Obama needs to get out in front of the obstructionists and call them out.
I'll say it again. Make them own their radicalism. Let there be no mistaking who is holding up what here.
If (as implied) Reid leads a change to the filibuster rules, McConnell and party will be far less material. And as I said earlier this will remove cover for the House extremists.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:09:41am |
re: #1091 Dark_Falcon
"barflytom" isn't even really a troll, IMO. He's a Troglodyte:
Bolding mine.
I agree with Obdicut, I think barfy tom is probably a parody. Poe's Law, ya know.
| 1095 |
blueraven Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:10:36am |
I think the overwhelming reason for Mitt's loss is, People do not trust him.
Trust is huge, and all his lies and flip flopping could not overcome his perceived advantage on economic issues.
| 1096 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:10:54am |
Which state will voluntarily secede to accommodate Puerto Rico? Texas or Mississippi?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:11:15am |
re: #1082 Jadewater
I can't help but laugh at this. Yes brainiacs kicking people out will somehow automatically make them vote the way you want because we all know that getting kicked automatically makes them vote the other way or takes away their ability to vote at all.
The brainpower at play is astounding on that one.
Everybody hates moderates.
BTW, I seem to recall you had a trip to Europe planned. Did you end up going?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:11:23am |
re: #1014 erik_t
I don't believe I've ever seen four-digit post counts. A little laggy for me, but still impressive. Those hamsters are juicing.
yeah but:
Yeah, that's almost 1.5GB RAM.
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dragonath Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:12:09am |
re: #1087 kirghazi
The Southern Strategy is slowly wearing off too.
I think all the vote splitting is a welcome trend though. Americans might be screwy, but at least they aren't crazy. In that way, Rove's dream died tonight.
| 1101 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:13:17am |
I nominate this guy for Most Backward, Racist Wingnut on Twitter.
Latinos voted the only thing they've ever known, communism 71-27 and women voted for it 55-44. That says it all.— Freedomwarrior(@Freedomwarrior) November 7, 2012
| 1102 |
Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:13:26am |
re: #1068 Benghazzy Ben Ross
I'm OK with that, as long as its done by adding House seats and not taking them away from other states. I'd say figure out how many seats to add by giving PR 1/2-2/3rds of the number to be added. Downside: More redistricting.
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Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:13:46am |
re: #1094 Vicious Babushka
I agree with Obdicut, I think barfy tom is probably a parody. Poe's Law, ya know.
Isn't he in the UK?
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Jadewater Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:14:59am |
re: #1097 Killgore Trout
Everybody hates moderates.
BTW, I seem to recall you had a trip to Europe planned. Did you end up going?
It's still in the works. The soonest I would go would be the spring but it is looking like it's going to take some more time then that to get up and going. :)
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:15:12am |
| 1107 |
The Questionable Timing of a Flea Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:15:28am |
I want the GOP--or at least conservatism in the US--to reform itself, but I don't see how it's going to happen.
Anti-science, anti-abortion, radical "free market" economics...these things are now part of a theology* that the GOP base accepts. They believe Tim LaHaye and David Barton that all of the above is what God wants. Can the proponents of these positions and their supporters be marginalized? I hope so, but I don't see how without them outright leaving or being cast from the party.
* technically, there are two intertwined mythoi influencing GOP politics, but in the past two decades they've been merging. This first is the "literal" interpretation of The Book of Revelations and the apocalyptic gnosis of Rapture-ready groups; the second is the paranoid, isolationist style of the John Birch Society.
| 1109 |
Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:15:37am |
re: #1106 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
Packing up for the move to Canuckistan.
Buck is already in Canuckistan.
| 1110 |
Joanne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:15:38am |
re: #1071 Varek Raith
Neat.
(On PR voting for statehood)
Which has to be approved by the Senate.
Any takers on how THAT will play out?
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dragonath Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:15:43am |
The war for the control of the party begins:
Ass-Backwards NOM Actually Cheering GOP Losses In NY Legislature
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:16:42am |
re: #1101 Vicious Babushka
I nominate this guy for Most Backward, Racist Wingnut on Twitter.
@freedomwarrior Indeed it does.That you would write that says all that needs to be said about your ignorance and willful blindness. #FAIL
— Kurt Akemann (@Dark_Falcon7) November 7, 2012
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:16:48am |
re: #1112 Gus
FTFY
There we go. Much better. Should I fire up the troll barbecue, then? I imagine lots of whinging over the next, oh, two to four years.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:17:03am |
Secret Service is going to be busy. I guess that's one way to create jobs...
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]
| 1116 |
lawhawk Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:17:24am |
I hope all these twitters were right for Nate's sake. .
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Jadewater Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:17:27am |
re: #1106 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
Packing up for the move to Canuckistan.
I really do not understand some of the comments I've been reading about moving to Canada. Are people really that ignorant about us? The things they want to get away from (like 'socialist healthcare) are set in stone here.
| 1118 |
Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:18:37am |
re: #1114 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
There we go. Much better. Should I fire up the troll barbecue, then? I imagine lots of whinging over the next, oh, two to four years.
On the road to peak wingnut all the way 'till January 19, 2016. Seriously. Even then look at how they keep bringing up Jimmy Carter. Of course I laugh at that because they kept predicting Obama would be another Carter. One term president and all! LOL Look at who got the last laugh.
| 1119 |
simoom Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:18:47am |
The Heritage Foundation's SuperPAC has up a nutty (and overly dramatic) response to the election:
[Link: heritageaction.com...]
"We are in a war. We're in a war to save this nation, and abandoning our posts will condemn it to a future of managed decline."
"To win this war we must remain committed to fighting President Obama's agenda."
Closing Reagan clip: "You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. If we loose freedom here there's no place to escape to. This is the last stand on earth."
| 1120 |
Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:19:16am |
I mentioned this upthread. Here's the video.
MSNBC’s Matthews says he’s ‘glad we had that storm last week’
Asshole.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:19:23am |
re: #1117 Jadewater
I really do not understand some of the comments I've been reading about moving to Canada. Are people really that ignorant about us? The things they want to get away from (like 'socialist healthcare) are set in stone here.
Think about the sort of people we're talking here. Do they really strike you as the type that would know the first thing about any country not named the United States of America?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:19:55am |
re: #1118 Gus
On the road to peak wingnut all the way 'till January 19, 2016. Seriously. Even then look at how they keep bringing up Jimmy Carter. Of course I laugh at that because they kept predicting Obama would be another Carter. One term president and all! LOL Look at who got the last laugh.
Ah, that'd be January 19, 2017.
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efuseakay Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:20:32am |
re: #1101 Vicious Babushka
I nominate this guy for Most Backward, Racist Wingnut on Twitter.
[Embedded content]
Freedom for me, not for thee!
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makeitstop Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:20:33am |
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Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:21:06am |
re: #1119 simoom
The Heritage Foundation's SuperPAC has up a nutty (and overly dramatic) response to the election:
[Link: heritageaction.com...]
Ha! That's also a non-encrypted site. Un-secure fail.
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b_Snark Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:21:36am |
re: #1101 Vicious Babushka
I nominate this guy for Most Backward, Racist Wingnut on Twitter.
[Embedded content]
Communism?
Does this guy have any idea?
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The Questionable Timing of a Flea Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:22:23am |
re: #1121 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
Think about the sort of people we're talking here. Do they really strike you as the type that would know the first thing about any country not named the United States of America?
I can remember when South Africa and Rhodesia were the talked-of promised lands for butthurt, reactionary white Americans.
Not so much since the blah people got rights....
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:22:40am |
re: #1036 Petero1818
Dont look now but Michelle Malkin is calling for Federal government intervention in state's electoral systems. These are confusing times for Conservatives.
STATE RIGHTS ... Ummm ..... SEEM TO BE WRONG
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Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:23:02am |
RT @aburnspolitico: SIREN: @mkraju: Reid says he plans to change filibuster rules.
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) November 7, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:23:02am |
re: #1120 Benghazzy Ben Ross
I mentioned this upthread. Here's the video.
MSNBC’s Matthews says he’s ‘glad we had that storm last week’
Asshole.
Thanks for bringing that up and condemning it. Bad enough that Matthews said it, worse is that its going to reverberate around the right-wing blogosphere. National Review will sanely condemn it, but other will go much further and openly call Chris Matthews a traitor. It'll whip up still more hate and froth among people who have hated and frothed far too much already.
| 1131 |
kirkspencer Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:23:33am |
re: #1107 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea
I want the GOP--or at least conservatism in the US--to reform itself, but I don't see how it's going to happen.
Anti-science, anti-abortion, radical "free market" economics...these things are now part of a theology* that the GOP base accepts. They believe Tim LaHaye and David Barton that all of the above is what God wants. Can the proponents of these positions and their supporters be marginalized? I hope so, but I don't see how without them outright leaving or being cast from the party.
* technically, there are two intertwined mythoi influencing GOP politics, but in the past two decades they've been merging. This first is the "literal" interpretation of The Book of Revelations and the apocalyptic gnosis of Rapture-ready groups; the second is the paranoid, isolationist style of the John Birch Society.
You forgot the other significant mythoi. First, there's the belief that unfettered capitalism is good (which merges with your first group in the perception that success measured by wealth is given by the hand of God, and likewise poverty is the due of those not in favor). The second is summed with an Orwelian paraphrase: all men are equal, but some are more equal than others -- with men being more equal than women and white being more equal than nonwhite. Again there are latching points with your two mythoi but there are distinctions as well.
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Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:25:11am |
re: #1130 Dark_Falcon
Thanks for bringing that up and condemning it. Bad enough that Matthews said it, worse is that its going to reverberate around the right-wing blogosphere. National Review will sanely condemn it, but other will go much further and openly call Chris Matthews a traitor. It'll whip up still more hate and froth among people who have hated and frothed far too much already.
I won't make even make excuses for him, either. Hell, even Maddow gives him a "whoa." Then he tries to say "I mean that politically." Really not sure what that's supposed to mean.
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The Questionable Timing of a Flea Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:25:13am |
re: #1131 kirghazi
You forgot the other significant mythoi. First, there's the belief that unfettered capitalism is good (which merges with your first group in the perception that success measured by wealth is given by the hand of God, and likewise poverty is the due of those not in favor). The second is summed with an Orwelian paraphrase: all men are equal, but some are more equal than others -- with men being more equal than women and white being more equal than nonwhite. Again there are latching points with your two mythoi but there are distinctions as well.
Having completed the thought I realized I was glossing over a bunch of stuff and thought about correcting it. You just hit the same points I wanted to make, so I'll not alter my post.
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Jadewater Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:25:24am |
re: #1121 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
Think about the sort of people we're talking here. Do they really strike you as the type that would know the first thing about any country not named the United States of America?
lol Yes that's true.
It also strikes me as kinda funny because I'd be willing to make a bet that if some of them actually followed through with the move and found out for themselves, especially how healthcare happens here they'd find that they kinda sorta think it's a pretty good deal.
"Wait what? I don't have to deal with an insurance company and pay hundreds of dollars each month and when I get sick I can like totallly go to the doctor without having to choose between that and my monthly bill for cheetos and the internet." o.O
| 1135 |
Shiplord Kirel Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:25:53am |
RWNJ gun/ammo hoarders are doubling down on their buying spree. Tactical Defense Solutions, a major distributor of military style civilian weapons, posted this rant on their Facebook page this morning:
I've stayed as far away from all of it as I could. I haven't posted regarding politics, in fact its been a concerted effort to not even log in.
This morning the majority of "us" woke to the almost sickening reality that for more reasons than I care to discuss or even think about - "we" now find ourselves balanced and teetering on the jagged edge of.......... well, you can pick the word(s).Within minutes of arriving this glorious morning I received a screenshot of a major distributors AR inventory.
After answering a few calls and emails, I opened another screenshot taken 30 minutes after the first. The quantity in stock was now ZERO.Here's what one major distributor had to say this morning:
"As things become harder to come by I will try to stay ahead of the curve if possible to make sure you have a chance to buy them before they run out. After AR’s the next thing to go is AR ammo, but unfortunately we never had any .223 to start with. Then it spreads to things like cheap .308, 7.62X39, etc… then the pistol calibers. Eventually high capacity HG’s will follow. This is all assuming that the same pattern follows from 2008. I hope it does not for the record, but the AR’s are obviously following the same pattern. I do not want people to buy on fear but be smart for your business and get what you think is necessary. We are also coming into the holiday and then the tax season so that gives you a little margin for error in purchasing."
This had already reached monumental dimensions during Obama's first term. This new buying spree magnifies the hysteria exponentially. We are venturing into a strange and dangerous new territory here.
| 1136 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:26:03am |
re: #1095 blueraven
I think the overwhelming reason for Mitt's loss is, People do not trust him.
Trust is huge, and all his lies and flip flopping could not overcome his perceived advantage on economic issues.
I doubt it. I know the sociopath/compulsive liar memes were popular around here and on MSNBC but I think the smear attacks had a minimal effect. I think Mitt's biggest problem, and Republicans in general, is lack of ideas. Even on the economy Mitt lacked any sort of a plan to differentiate himself with. The closest thing he had was selective bits and pieces on the mathematically impossible Ryan budget. On foreign policy he offered nothing different aside from rhetoric. Mitt just suffered from a lack of ideas and proposals.
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dragonath Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:27:00am |
re: #1110 Joanne
(On PR voting for statehood)
Which has to be approved by the Senate.
Any takers on how THAT will play out?
The erstwhile governor of PR, Luis Fortuno, was really trying hard to remake his party in the image of the US Republicans. The guy really staked himself to the Romney campaign and he paid for it. He was also the leader of the statehood party down there but PR politics really aren't that cut and dry.
He was chairman of the Southern Governors Association and both he and his wife were at the RNC, so his loss is a really big deal.
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
I think Republicans in the US might be surprised at the election results, but if they block statehood they're going to piss away whatever goodwill they might have had.
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aagcobb Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:27:29am |
re: #1117 Jadewater
I really do not understand some of the comments I've been reading about moving to Canada. Are people really that ignorant about us? The things they want to get away from (like 'socialist healthcare) are set in stone here.
Hah! The President will show them when he joins with Canada and Mexico to create the People's Soviet Socialist North American Union! Bwahahahaha!
| 1139 |
Varek Raith Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:27:39am |
re: #1120 Benghazzy Ben Ross
I mentioned this upthread. Here's the video.
MSNBC’s Matthews says he’s ‘glad we had that storm last week’
Asshole.
Derp!
| 1140 |
Joanne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:27:45am |
re: #1106 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too
Isn't Buck already IN Canuckistan?
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Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:28:18am |
re: #1137 dragonath
The erstwhile governor of PR, Luis Fortuno, was really trying hard to remake his party in the image of the US Republicans. The guy really staked himself to the Romney campaign and he paid for it. He was also the leader of the statehood party down there but PR politics really aren't that cut and dry.
He was chairman of the Southern Governors Association and both he and his wife were at the RNC, so his loss is a really big deal.
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
I think Republicans in the US might be surprised at the election results, but if they block statehood they're going to piss away whatever goodwill they might have had.
I won't underestimate their ability to piss away the Hispanic vote...
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:28:30am |
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:28:32am |
I'll be honest.
I considered moving to Canada to get away from the political ads.
;)
| 1144 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:28:55am |
re: #1120 Benghazzy Ben Ross
I mentioned this upthread. Here's the video.
MSNBC’s Matthews says he’s ‘glad we had that storm last week’
Asshole.
Heh, what an idiot. You could feel the rest of the panel cringe when he said that.
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Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:29:17am |
re: #1138 aagcobb
Hah! The President will show them when he joins with Canada and Mexico to create the People's Soviet Socialist North American Union! Bwahahahaha!
Keep your hands off our oil!
| 1146 |
kirkspencer Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:29:37am |
re: #1135 Shiplord Kirel
RWNJ gun/ammo hoarders are doubling down on their buying spree. Tactical Defense Solutions, a major distributor of military style civilian weapons, posted this rant on their Facebook page this morning:
This had already reached monumental dimensions during Obama's first term. This new buying spree magnifies the hysteria exponentially. We are venturing into a strange and dangerous new territory here.
The amusing thing to me is that for the most part it's the same people doing the buying. Sadly for them, however, in a lot of ways rifles are like votes: you can only use one at a time. So if things go really, really downhill it doesn't matter that you own 20 and those 20 soldiers only have one, the odds are really 20:1 against you.
Of course you may still believe the gideon myth, and who knows it might be true this time that one of you is worth 10 of your foes. Too bad there are 20 of them, of course -- you're still outnumbered.
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aagcobb Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:29:49am |
re: #1135 Shiplord Kirel
RWNJ gun/ammo hoarders are doubling down on their buying spree. Tactical Defense Solutions, a major distributor of military style civilian weapons, posted this rant on their Facebook page this morning:
This had already reached monumental dimensions during Obama's first term. This new buying spree magnifies the hysteria exponentially. We are venturing into a strange and dangerous new territory here.
Re-electing the President was the ultimate economic stimulus for the small arms industry.
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Jadewater Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:30:12am |
re: #1138 aagcobb
Hah! The President will show them when he joins with Canada and Mexico to create the People's Soviet Socialist North American Union! Bwahahahaha!
Booo. Hissss Boooo lol
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:30:39am |
re: #1132 Benghazzy Ben Ross
I won't make even make excuses for him, either. Hell, even Maddow gives him a "whoa." Then he tries to say "I mean that politically." Really not sure what that's supposed to mean.
It's a thing you just don't say. He should apologize then make a large donation to Habitat for Humanity to help build house for those who lost them in the storm.
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Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:30:46am |
Right-Wing #Media React To #Obama's Re-Election: War, Impeachment, Revolution --mm4a.org/Tuf0PC— Raymond Gellner (@regellner) November 7, 2012
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Joanne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:31:16am |
re: #1115 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
Secret Service is going to be busy. I guess that's one way to create jobs...
[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]
That FUCKING. PISSES. ME. OFF.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:31:31am |
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Joanne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:31:56am |
re: #1117 Jadewater
I really do not understand some of the comments I've been reading about moving to Canada. Are people really that ignorant about us? The things they want to get away from (like 'socialist healthcare) are set in stone here.
And your conservative party is often to the left of Obama (Harper not withstanding).
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Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:32:03am |
RT @chairmissing: @buzzfeedandrew nope, you can change senate rules with simple majority.
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) November 7, 2012
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Gus Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:32:04am |
Donald Trump deletes some of the Twitter tirade he posted following Obama's re-election: apne.ws/YZBY6M #election2012 @realdonaldtrump— CaptivatingNews (@CaptivatingNews) November 7, 2012
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Four More Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:32:49am |
RT @swin24: man, he's got, like, SO much stuff to transmit to Vladimir today.
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) November 7, 2012
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Decatur Deb Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:32:55am |
re: #1135 Shiplord Kirel
RWNJ gun/ammo hoarders are doubling down on their buying spree. Tactical Defense Solutions, a major distributor of military style civilian weapons, posted this rant on their Facebook page this morning:
This had already reached monumental dimensions during Obama's first term. This new buying spree magnifies the hysteria exponentially. We are venturing into a strange and dangerous new territory here.
After a few years of nothing happening, there are going to be some great used deals at the gun shows.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:32:59am |
Too bad Trump doesn't know one can never truly delete something off the intertoobz.
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Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:33:08am |
re: #1154 Joanne
And your conservative party is often to the left of Obama (Harper not withstanding).
I suspect they will really love our cultural mosaic.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:33:38am |
re: #1150 Gus
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I would, however, argue the Wall Street Journal's piece shouldn't be lumped in with Joseph Farrah's insanity. The WSJ wasn't being insane or violent.
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Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:33:50am |
re: #1159 Varek Raith
Too bad Trump doesn't know one can never truly delete something off the intertoobz.
He will take a page from Rush and claim satire.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:34:11am |
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:35:10am |
HA HA HA
What happens when priests don't teach #Catholic doctrine=>Obama Wins Catholic Vote Despite Attacks on the Church shar.es/GWDhS— Jane Galt (@JGalt9) November 7, 2012
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darthstar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:35:32am |
Trump still ranting incoherently, but now it's directed at Brian Williams.
[Link: twitter.com...]
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jamesfirecat Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:35:39am |
re: #1120 Benghazzy Ben Ross
I mentioned this upthread. Here's the video.
MSNBC’s Matthews says he’s ‘glad we had that storm last week’
Asshole.
The only way that would be an acceptable phrase would be "and not this week" when it would have made it truly impossible for people to vote."
Since he did not say that indeed he is an asshole.
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Joanne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:35:40am |
re: #1120 Benghazzy Ben Ross
I mentioned this upthread. Here's the video.
MSNBC’s Matthews says he’s ‘glad we had that storm last week’
Asshole.
That's what happens when you see life solely through the lens of politics and completely remove humans from that lens. It's the same tunnel vision that Ryan uses when he wants to gut Medicare (and no, I am not comparing Matthews ignorant comments to Paul Ryan's also ignorant policies). When you remove people from all consideration, you are allowed to think or say or do all kinds of bullshit because there are no humans involved.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:36:11am |
re: #1161 Gus
May all his guitars fall apart, and may his shows fail to sell. May Ted Nugent by forgotten by the public, his insanity only remembered as a cautionary tale.
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dragonath Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:36:34am |
Calling the majority of Americans welfare whores and soulless pimps just doesn't have same kick anymore, does it.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:36:57am |
So, how goes that nor'easter?
Missing the DC metro area atm.
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Petero1818 Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:37:35am |
re: #1165 Vicious Babushka
HA HA HA
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More than anyone Catholics are taking it on the chin from the Freepers today. How batshit crazy do you have to be to consider the Catholic Church a threat from the left ?
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Bulworth Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:37:40am |
re: #1165 Vicious Babushka
HA HA HA
What happens when priests don't teach #Catholic doctrine=>Obama Wins Catholic Vote Despite Attacks on the Church shar.es/GWDhS
— Jane Galt (@JGalt9) November 7, 2012
Freedom
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Joanne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:38:39am |
re: #1136 Killgore Trout
I doubt it. I know the sociopath/compulsive liar memes were popular around here and on MSNBC but I think the smear attacks had a minimal effect. I think Mitt's biggest problem, and Republicans in general, is lack of ideas. Even on the economy Mitt lacked any sort of a plan to differentiate himself with. The closest thing he had was selective bits and pieces on the mathematically impossible Ryan budget. On foreign policy he offered nothing different aside from rhetoric. Mitt just suffered from a lack of ideas and proposals.
How does the continual lying fit into the lack of ideas concept? The sociopathy, in my eyes, comes from: 1) his inability to see anything human in what he does. People are a commodity. 2) And he will lie and say anything to accomplish his goals.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:39:05am |
re: #1172 Petero1818
More than anyone Catholics are taking it on the chin from the Freepers today. How batshit crazy do you have to be to consider the Catholic Church a threat from the left ?
Religious people voting according to what their conscience tells them, not what a bunch of priests tell them.
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makeitstop Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:39:10am |
re: #1138 aagcobb
Hah! The President will show them when he joins with Canada and Mexico to create the People's Soviet Socialist North American Union! Bwahahahaha!
Amero!
/
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blueraven Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:39:50am |
re: #1120 Benghazzy Ben Ross
I mentioned this upthread. Here's the video.
MSNBC’s Matthews says he’s ‘glad we had that storm last week’
Asshole.
I dont think he meant he was glad for the storm, but rather glad for the bipartisanship displayed afterward. Nice that the WaPo article h/t was from Newsbusters. /
Really, trying to take an awkwardly worded moment by CM will not change the fact that cooperation between state local and federal gov't is necessary in the aftermath of disaster.
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makeitstop Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:39:53am |
re: #1138 aagcobb
Hah! The President will show them when he joins with Canada and Mexico to create the People's Soviet Socialist North American Union! Bwahahahaha!
NAFTA Superhighway!!
/
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jaunte Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:39:59am |
re: #1173 Bulworth
Thanks a lot Christians, for not showing up.You disgust me.
— Victoria Jackson (@vicjackshow) November 7, 2012
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lawhawk Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:40:06am |
re: #1171 Varek Raith
We've had a few snow showers down near the WTC a bit earlier, but it's mostly been a mixed precip event. Can't quite tell what the winds are doing around here - and most everything was secured at construction sites from #Sandy.
I fear that we're going to get more outages due to downed trees in Bergen, Passaic and places north from the combined snow and winds. Not a good situation.
And it all sucks if you still await restoration of power and/or heat as so many folks need around here.
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Joanne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:40:26am |
re: #1137 dragonath
I think Republicans in the US might be surprised at the election results, but if they block statehood they're going to piss away whatever goodwill they might have had.
Only problem is that they have no goodwill. Nor do I think they care, otherwise they wouldn't have pissed away the Latino and female voters so casually.
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aagcobb Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:41:47am |
re: #1107 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea
I want the GOP--or at least conservatism in the US--to reform itself, but I don't see how it's going to happen.
Anti-science, anti-abortion, radical "free market" economics...these things are now part of a theology* that the GOP base accepts. They believe Tim LaHaye and David Barton that all of the above is what God wants. Can the proponents of these positions and their supporters be marginalized? I hope so, but I don't see how without them outright leaving or being cast from the party.
* technically, there are two intertwined mythoi influencing GOP politics, but in the past two decades they've been merging. This first is the "literal" interpretation of The Book of Revelations and the apocalyptic gnosis of Rapture-ready groups; the second is the paranoid, isolationist style of the John Birch Society.
Eventually, as the Base dies of old age, someone will move to the center and capture enough votes to overwhelm the Base. Don't know when that will happen, though. Maybe Jeb Bush can do it.
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makeitstop Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:42:09am |
re: #1171 Varek Raith
So, how goes that nor'easter?
Missing the DC metro area atm.
Rain/snow mix here, winds kicking up. 34 degrees when I woke up this morning.
In short, it's shaping up to be every bit as miserable as advertised.
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erik_t Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:42:48am |
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:42:53am |
re: #1168 Joanne
That's what happens when you see life solely through the lens of politics and completely remove humans from that lens. It's the same tunnel vision that Ryan uses when he wants to gut Medicare (and no, I am not comparing Matthews ignorant comments to Paul Ryan's also ignorant policies). When you remove people from all consideration, you are allowed to think or say or do all kinds of bullshit because there are no humans involved.
Don't forget that Matthews wrote a book called "Life's a Campaign: What Politics Has Taught Me About Friendship, Rivalry, Reputation, and Success". I still savor the memory of the Daily Show episode where Stewart tore him to little tiny shreds over this book.
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darthstar Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:42:56am |
UPDATE: isnatesilverawitch.com— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) November 7, 2012
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The Questionable Timing of a Flea Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:43:43am |
re: #1172 Petero1818
More than anyone Catholics are taking it on the chin from the Freepers today. How batshit crazy do you have to be to consider the Catholic Church a threat from the left ?
It's a No-Nothing Party tradition to hate on Catholics.
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Varek Raith Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:44:35am |
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:45:30am |
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Joanne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:46:40am |
re: #1166 darthstar
Trump still ranting incoherently, but now it's directed at Brian Williams.
[Link: twitter.com...]
.@realdonaldtrump @nbcnightlynewsAh celebrity by Twitter.What next? Porno? It worked for Paris Hilton!Just think of the # o followers!— MsJoanne (@MsJoanne) November 7, 2012
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Mattand Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:47:36am |
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Joanne Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:47:50am |
re: #1167 jamesfirecat
The only way that would be an acceptable phrase would be "and not this week" when it would have made it truly impossible for people to vote."
Since he did not say that indeed he is an asshole.
When I originally read a post someone wrote that Matthews said that, I had assumed it was a "not this week" assuming he meant not to impact the election. That was dickish enough. This is incomprehensible.
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b_Snark Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:48:01am |
re: #1133 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea
Having completed the thought I realized I was glossing over a bunch of stuff and thought about correcting it. You just hit the same points I wanted to make, so I'll not alter my post.
Are mythoi the ones living above ground or under ground?
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:48:19am |
re: #1183 makeitstopghazi
Rain/snow mix here, winds kicking up. 34 degrees when I woke up this morning.
In short, it's shaping up to be every bit as miserable as advertised.
Finally power/cable come back (hello outside world, wtf Sandy!?)
Eastern LI, driving sleet coming from the North here. Snowy mix earlier. Will have to burn some of the wood I've been chainsawing up the past week.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:50:53am |
re: #1135 Shiplord Kirel
Well, hopefully two of the idiots out there with more money than brains will get in a bidding war for the antique C96 Bolo I have for sale at gunbroker. Then I could use the money to buy reloading supplies before the horders get to them.
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makeitstop Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:51:07am |
re: #1195 Ghost of Tom Joad
Finally power/cable come back (hello outside world, wtf Sandy!?)
Eastern LI, driving sleet coming from the North here. Snowy mix earlier. Will have to burn some of the wood I've been chainsawing up the past week.
Glad you got your power back. I find it hard to believe how long it's taking for a lot of people.
(Western Suffolk Country here.)
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Ghost of Tom Joad Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:53:32am |
re: #1198 makeitstopghazi
Hopefully inland. Friends lost houses at worst down on the south shore. Lot of flooded basements. What a mess.
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makeitstop Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:59:45am |
re: #1199 Ghost of Tom Joad
Hopefully inland. Friends lost houses at worst down on the south shore. Lot of flooded basements. What a mess.
Yes, about 3 miles in. It was really disconcerting watching our altitude above sea level decrease - at the height of the storm, it was a difference of 12 feet.
A lot of my friends got walloped. It is difficult to watch.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:02:08am |
re: #1146 kirghazi
The amusing thing to me is that for the most part it's the same people doing the buying. Sadly for them, however, in a lot of ways rifles are like votes: you can only use one at a time. So if things go really, really downhill it doesn't matter that you own 20 and those 20 soldiers only have one, the odds are really 20:1 against you.
Of course you may still believe the gideon myth, and who knows it might be true this time that one of you is worth 10 of your foes. Too bad there are 20 of them, of course -- you're still outnumbered.
Also, why are they coveting 5.56mm? Don't they know the roving FEMA death panel militia has carbon nanotube armor that can stop anything short of a .50cal?
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:33:39am |
re: #1138 aagcobb
Hah! The President will show them when he joins with Canada and Mexico to create the People's Soviet Socialist North American Union! Bwahahahaha!
Will we all get cool hats to wear?
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:41:11am |
re: #1185 erik_t
A welfare brat sounds pretty damned tasty right now. Hurry up, lunchtime.
Put some government cheese on that too.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:41:56am |
re: #739 wheat-dogghazi
Somewhat relevant to Barflytom's line of thinking -- maybe Adelson ought to invest in classic cars instead of elections.
Given all their talk about Carter I think he thought he was investing in a classic election campaign.
///
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:49:07am |
re: #894 lawhawk
We're on it Cthulhu/Zod 2016 is off and running (on both parties). We're here to stay. Aint no stopping us now!
Ron Paul just changed "Buy Gold" to "Buy Ketchup".
//
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:28:02am |
re: #1136 Killgore Trout
I doubt it. I know the sociopath/compulsive liar memes were popular around here and on MSNBC but I think the smear attacks had a minimal effect. I think Mitt's biggest problem, and Republicans in general, is lack of ideas. Even on the economy Mitt lacked any sort of a plan to differentiate himself with. The closest thing he had was selective bits and pieces on the mathematically impossible Ryan budget. On foreign policy he offered nothing different aside from rhetoric. Mitt just suffered from a lack of ideas and proposals.
Kerry running as not-Bush was a failure. That Romney failed running as not-Obama failed might set the proper trend and we get back to campaigns running on the concept of presenting ideas and policies (with some detail.)
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:32:00am |
re: #1171 Varek Raith
So, how goes that nor'easter?
Missing the DC metro area atm.
Snowing here in Central Philadelphia right now. Nothing sticking yet. Was also switching back and forth to sleet a few hours ago.
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