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1 darthstar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:43:16am
2 erik_t  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:44:54am

Sorry, GOP. The rest of us sorta got over that whole hatefearing-gays thing. Find a new bogeyman.

XOXO,
Me

3 darthstar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:46:08am

Yes!

4 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:47:12am

Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 79,
Antonin Scalia is 76,
Anthony Kennedy is 76,
and Stephen Breyer is 74.

Overwhelming relief indeed.

5 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:47:21am

Hey look, Dick Morris is back. And he didn't learn a thing.

What a shock, huh?

6 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:48:03am

re: #5 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

"Obama barely won this election"

7 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:48:37am
8 aagcobb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:49:07am

If Puerto Rican statehood is brought before Congress, watch the wingnut hatred of brown people ratchet up to eleventy.

9 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:50:09am

re: #6 jaunte

"Obama barely won this election"

325 to 213 is a Romney "landslide". 332 to 206 is an Obama "squeaker".

Because reasons.

10 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:50:20am

re: #3 darthstar

Yes!

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Sounds like a big ole' wet kiss in the direction of Angus King. Either way, it's about fuggin' time.

11 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:51:21am

re: #8 aagcobb

If Puerto Rican statehood is brought before Congress, watch the wingnut hatred of brown people ratchet up to eleventy.

The cherry on our schadenfreude sundae.

12 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:51:43am

Here's to Nate Silver and Sam Wang who were dead on in their forecast of the election.

13 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:51:53am

Holy cow, a 7.4 earthquake off Guatemala!

14 Joanne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:52:34am
15 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:54:11am
16 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:54:17am

re: #14 Joanne

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He's insane.

17 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:54:23am

re: #5 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Hey look, Dick Morris is back. And he didn't learn a thing.

What a shock, huh?

Someone pointed out that the Obama 'squeaker' had a greater EV margin of victory than the Romney 'landslide' he was predicting.

I'm really starting to think he's kind of brain-damaged.

18 andres  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:55:08am

re: #14 Joanne

Someone has the brain bleach handy? I sorta need it now...

19 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:55:13am

re: #17 makeitstopghazi

Someone pointed out that the Obama 'squeaker' had a greater EV margin of victory than the Romney 'landslide' he was predicting.

I'm really starting to think he's kind of brain-damaged.

Nah, just a hack who makes his living as a disgruntled former Dem staffer.

20 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:55:33am

re: #16 HappyBenghazi

He's working his brand for what it's worth. Apparently, there's money to be made off birthers.

21 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:55:43am

re: #14 Joanne

Reminds me of the tards when Facebook was new that bragged about the # of friends or 'likes' (I know nothing of FB/MS etc.) Like...if that's how you measure your life, well, good for you I guess.

22 Bulworth  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:56:08am

Finally made it into work today. What a night--up till 2 am and beyond.

23 Joanne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:57:36am

re: #16 HappyBenghazi

He's insane.

He's an ignorant fame-whore with an outsized ego and a pea-sized intellect.

24 erik_t  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:57:50am

re: #8 aagcobb

If Puerto Rican statehood is brought before Congress, watch the wingnut hatred of brown people ratchet up to eleventy.

It'll be fun. The Republican party platform currently endorses Puerto Rican statehood if it is so desired by Puerto Rico.

25 Jadewater  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:58:12am

Er Donald. I'm going to bet 69999 of those people followed you so they wouldn't miss anymore of your crazy meltdown and laugh some more at you.... lol

I guess they say no publicity is bad publicity.

26 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:58:21am

I am waiting to see if, and when, the RWNJs react violently. As a number of posters here have pointed out, the "blacks riot if Obama loses" meme has a certain projective quality. I have seen some ugly talk on the usual racist and nut-job websites. Most of this is fantasy/bullshit, of course, but the sheer volume makes it likely that someone will act out.
I've checked with my spies in the local right. Some of the top gun stores were besieged with buyers this morning, and stocks of military ammo are running low.
I am still not going to recommend that liberals, minorities, and sane people in general start arming themselves for self-defense. Some already have, though. Indeed, some always have. The option is there if you decide on it.
I will provide what advice I can, and we have some other highly experienced shooters here who will no doubt be willing to weigh in.

27 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:58:27am

re: #23 Joanne

He's an ignorant fame-whore with an outsized ego and a pea-sized intellect.

Who apparently is trouble both sides of the pond. My cousin in the UK was telling me about him bullying his way with a golf course over there.

28 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:59:18am

re: #17 makeitstopghazi

That's exactly right.

Morris predicted a landslide with Romney winning with more than 300 EV.

Obama did win, with an EV of in excess of 300, but that's a squeaker.

Gotcha.

Oh, and Obama won the popular vote too - and while it wasn't by as great a margin in 2008, it would have still been enough to win the popular vote against McCain.

29 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:59:35am

re: #8 aagcobb

If Puerto Rican statehood is brought before Congress, watch the wingnut hatred of brown people ratchet up to eleventy.

Meh, that right there might be the biggest barometer of how much the GOP wants to blow of their feet with both barrels. They know the demographics are changing, and if they don't at least feign support for PR becoming a state, it'll piss off a massive voting bloc of Latinos and pretty much sink any national chances for decades.

30 Joanne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:59:45am

re: #18 andres

Someone has the brain bleach handy? I sorta need it now...

Sorry. Th thought of that hair flouncing about like Taylor Swift rocking out onstage...yeah, brain bleach please! ;-)

31 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:59:47am
32 Joanne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:00:59am

re: #21 Ghost of Tom Joad

Reminds me of the tards when Facebook was new that bragged about the # of friends or 'likes' (I know nothing of FB/MS etc.) Like...if that's how you measure your life, well, good for you I guess.

Yeah, it's like that Toyota commercial with the girl sitting at the computer while her parents are out mountain biking...saying that her parents had 16 friends and she had hundreds..."This is living!" Exactly like that.

33 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:01:41am
34 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:01:48am

re: #30 Joanne

Palate cleanser:

35 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:01:57am

re: #15 Charles Johnson

Charles Johnson @Green_Footballs

The tears of wingnuts taste even better the next day.

You need to let them decant before you drink them.

36 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:02:07am

re: #31 Vicious Babushka

....Wait for it...

MLK!

///

37 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:03:02am

I bit the bullet and listened to Rush this morning.

He went over all the possible reason as to why Romney lost and what the GOP needs to do to win elections.

Apparently, they need to go with a more conservative candidate and campaign.

38 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:03:33am

re: #30 Joanne

Ok, I have a strong stomach, but you're pushing it.

39 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:03:50am

re: #37 Kragarghazi

I bit the bullet and listened to Rush this morning.

He went over all the possible reason as to why Romney lost and what the GOP needs to do to win elections.

Apparently, they need to go with a more conservative candidate and campaign.

The whippings will continue until moral improves.

40 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:03:51am

re: #29 Ghost of Tom Joad

There is massive bigotry against Latinos in middle Appalachia. What are they gonna do when Puerto Ricans sit in congress?

41 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:04:01am

re: #37 Kragarghazi

I bit the bullet and listened to Rush this morning.

He went over all the possible reason as to why Romney lost and what the GOP needs to do to win elections.

Apparently, they need to go with a more conservative candidate and campaign.

Then they would have lost all 50 51 states (including Puerto Rico).

42 Joanne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:04:10am

re: #38 Ghost of Tom Joad

Ok, I have a strong stomach, but you're pushing it.

(snicker) Sorry. No really. I am. (sweet smile)

43 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:04:20am

As far as the popular vote count goes (with Obama still way down over 2008), here in San Diego county, when the county elections office stopped counting in the wee hours of the morn, they stated:

There are approximately 475000 Absentee / Provisional ballots still to be counted

I assume the rest of the large California counties likewise have numerous votes to count.

44 RadicalModerate  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:06:04am

re: #5 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Hey look, Dick Morris is back. And he didn't learn a thing.

What a shock, huh?

After all of the race-baiting that took place during this past campaign, the best Morris can come up with is "If it wasn't for the n*gg*rs we would have won"?

It's going to be really interesting to see if there is going to be a true physical split between the neo-conservatives, who will bring the business interests with them, and the uber-religious, bigoted Neo-confederate "Tea Party" wing of the Republican Party. In the long term, I really can't see the two factions co-existing.

45 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:06:27am

Beck: 'The Body of America is Even Sicker than I Thought it Was'

soon all discussion turned to the question of what went wrong, as the mystified participants tried to make sense of what they were seeing, leading Jerry Boykin to declare that the entire election was invalid because some members of the military supposedly were unable to vote and prompting Beck to speculate that America will not survive another decade if conservatives do not gain control over the nation's public education system.

But mostly Beck was just demoralized, saying that the result demonstrate that "the body of America is even sicker than I thought it was" and declaring that he no longer can say that he knows who Americans are:

46 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:07:26am

re: #45 Kragarghazi

Beck: 'The Body of America is Even Sicker than I Thought it Was'

Beck demoralized? This is getting better all the time.

47 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:07:52am

re: #17 makeitstopghazi

Someone pointed out that the Obama 'squeaker' had a greater EV margin of victory than the Romney 'landslide' he was predicting.

I'm really starting to think he's kind of brain-damaged.

I prefer to remember that he got more EV's than W ever did.

48 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:08:15am

re: #37 Kragarghazi

I wish they would define "more conservative." I mean, what does being "conservative" really mean these days? I hate these political monickers used to describe people because it means something different to each person.

Does he mean more anti-tax? A gun in every crib? Tuesday night lynchings (can't replace Monday night football)? Just say exactly what you want the guy to say or do.

49 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:08:35am

re: #45 Kragarghazi

Beck: 'The Body of America is Even Sicker than I Thought it Was'

Good Glenn show your true colors that you actually hate a good chunk of this country because they don't share your twisted world view. It only adds to your image as a pathetic deranged former drunk and druggie.

50 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:08:43am

re: #4 jaunte

Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 79,
Antonin Scalia is 76,
Anthony Kennedy is 76,
and Stephen Breyer is 74.

Overwhelming relief indeed.

I wonder how John Roberts is gonna feel when the only conservative "intellectuals" left are Alito and Thomas.

51 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:08:58am

Another lesson from the election - the media's horse race hype was just that: hype. There was no horse race. It wasn't even close.

52 bratwurst  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:09:19am

The insane, revolution-obsessed person operating the Donald Trump Twitter last night has apparently be replaced by Little Orphan Annie!

53 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:09:31am

re: #45 Kragarghazi

Translation: Where the fuck did all these non-white people come from?

54 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:09:43am

re: #47 William Barnett-Lewis

I prefer to remember that he got more EV's than W ever did.

Indeed. Really he won by a smaller margin it looks in in popular votes than W did in 2004 but the difference in EV's is that much bigger. And the same talking heads who now say Obama doesn't have a mandate were ready to say Bush had a clear one.

55 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:11:14am

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel

Far right terrorists are always a reason to consider being armed. To be sure it is one of the larger reasons for my CCP.

I do think the biggest thread is to the police officers who make traffic stops of these so-called "sovereign citizens" who think it's ok to kill over a speeding ticket.

56 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:11:45am

For all the Wingnuts...

57 RadicalModerate  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:12:52am

re: #52 bratwurst

The insane, revolution-obsessed person operating the Donald Trump Twitter last night has apparently be replaced by Little Orphan Annie!

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I'm betting that he probably got a phone call from someone in his legal department mentioning that his investors might not think well of him calling for insurrection against the US government.

58 Bulworth  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:12:54am
59 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:12:59am

Ted Nugent Death / Jail Watch, Day One

So, remember how Ted Nugent, that charming young bard of the rock-n-roll genre, said this thing back in April?

“If Barack Obama becomes the president in November, again, I will either be dead or in jail by this time next year.”

60 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:13:03am

re: #4 jaunte

Ruth Bader Ginsburg is 79,
Antonin Scalia is 76,
Anthony Kennedy is 76,
and Stephen Breyer is 74.

Overwhelming relief indeed.

I'm STILL amazed that SCOTUS appointments were barely mentioned at all throughout the entire campaign.

61 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:13:20am

Have gone all day without posting any sort of political post, here or anywhere else. Gonna be tough, but it's over, I'm done for a while.

How about them Cubs?

62 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:14:08am

First time by the way since 1944 and 1948 with FDR and Truman that Virginia has gone Democratic two presidential elections in a row. 1948 FWIW was the last presidential election held here before my grandparents on both sides moved down here.

63 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:14:21am

re: #5 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Upding for the nic.

64 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:14:45am

re: #60 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

I'm STILL amazed that SCOTUS appointments were barely mentioned at all throughout the entire campaign.

A whole lot of things were barely mentioned at all.

65 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:15:01am

re: #5 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Hey look, Dick Morris is back. And he didn't learn a thing.

What a shock, huh?

This is not a call for gridlock. If Obama moves to the center and proposes moderate measures, we should support them.

Um, WTF? His idea of center is slight to the left of Benito Mussolini.

Christ, he's one thick asshole.

66 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:15:02am

MTA working to get the subways restored to the Rockaways - including lifting cars for a trip to the crippled A line to operate as a shuttle service until full service can be restored.

The photos are pretty damned impressive - what it takes to move those cars around. Impressive logistics.

67 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:15:07am

Liberal Schadenfreude Hits Impossible Heights

President Obama winning would have satisfied most Democrats, winning decisively in the Electoral College was a bonus. And it only got better for progressives from there as an array of victories, big and small, tangible and symbolic, trickled down in elections and ballot measures around the country.

From a stunning Senate wave to new ballot measures on drugs and gay marriage to meltdowns among their favorite nemeses, Democrats had plenty to rub in conservative’s faces (and they did, often, on Twitter). Here’s a quick rundown of a few of the more savory wins for the left.

68 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:15:10am

re: #46 Shiplord Kirel

Beck demoralized? This is getting better all the time.

Beck demoralized, Freepers talking about selling their houses and leaving the country or buying more gold, guns, and ammo, and now the shouty street preacher that's been absent these past few days is back in downtown Austin. What fun.

69 Bulworth  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:15:21am

re: #59 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea

http://wonkette.com/489268/ted-nugent-death-jail-watch-day-one

Oh that. He was just kidding around. But Amercia is still a wasteland of whores, welfare dependents, anti-Amercian intellectuals and other deadbeats out to "destroy" it. //

70 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:15:26am

re: #52 bratwurst

The insane, revolution-obsessed person operating the Donald Trump Twitter last night has apparently be replaced by Little Orphan Annie!

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Post revolutionary truth and reconciliation committee.

71 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:15:47am

re: #13 dragonath

Holy cow, a 7.4 earthquake off Guatemala!

God's punishing us for reelecting Obama, just as promised. Too bad God's aim hasn't improved any.

72 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:15:51am

re: #60 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

I'm STILL amazed that SCOTUS appointments were barely mentioned at all throughout the entire campaign.

A whole lot of things were barely mentioned at all.

73 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:16:06am

re: #37 Kragarghazi

I bit the bullet and listened to Rush this morning.

He went over all the possible reason as to why Romney lost and what the GOP needs to do to win elections.

Apparently, they need to go with a more conservative candidate and campaign.

Zealots. Followers of Gideon. "We must be more pure," forgetting that in a democracy one person gets one vote regardless, and no vote is more equal than others.

74 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:16:29am

Dick Morris "I’ve got egg on my face. I predicted a Romney landslide and, instead, we ended up with an Obama squeaker."

Still wrong.

75 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:16:40am

re: #54 HappyBenghazi

Indeed. Really he won by a smaller margin it looks in in popular votes than W did in 2004 but the difference in EV's is that much bigger. And the same talking heads who now say Obama doesn't have a mandate were ready to say Bush had a clear one.

For what's it's worth, Kerry got a higher percentage of the popular vote than Romney, and there's still at least half a million outstanding ballots out there.

76 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:17:00am

That whole meme about the taste of anybody's tears--it just grosses me out. But don't let that stop you, I can take it.

77 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:18:11am

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Nate Silver's analysis was spot on - he never found it to be as close as the pundits/news types wished/hoped/gutted it to be.

78 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:18:19am

re: #74 Kragarghazi

Dick Morris "I’ve got egg on my face. I predicted a Romney landslide and, instead, we ended up with an Obama squeaker."

Still wrong.

That's not egg buddy. That's Nate Silver flinging his shit in your general direction.

79 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:19:23am

re: #75 dragonath

For what's it's worth, Kerry got a higher percentage of the popular vote than Romney, and there's still at least half a million outstanding ballots out there.

I thought for sure that Romney would get more. My final prediction was Obama 50.5, Romney 48.

80 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:19:27am
81 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:20:55am

Again, as for the popular vote, the current total count is about 12.5 million fewer than the 2008 totals. Unless voter turnout went way down, there are millions of votes yet to be counted.

This raises questions about what the final House and Senate picture will be like, and perhaps even the EC.

82 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:20:59am

re: #78 Ghost of Tom Joad

Nate's too busy prepping his models for the 2014 and 2016 election to be bothered with a nutter like Morris.

I'm really thinking that Clinton won in 1992 and 1996 despite Morris, not because of him.

Morris couldn't be more hopelessly wrong than he was on calling this election, and he's engaging in more than a little wishful thinking if he thinks that Obama won in a squeaker when he predicted a landslide by Romney by precisely the same kind of margin.

83 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:21:09am

re: #76 wrenchwench

I savor the taste of salty outpourings exuding from Republican lacrimal glands

better? /

84 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:21:18am

Boom!

85 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:21:30am

re: #48 Ghost of Tom Joad

I wish they would define "more conservative." I mean, what does being "conservative" really mean these days? I hate these political monickers used to describe people because it means something different to each person.

Does he mean more anti-tax? A gun in every crib? Tuesday night lynchings (can't replace Monday night football)? Just say exactly what you want the guy to say or do.

It means 'Death to Liberals!'

A large number of those who identify as 'conservative' these days are actually revolutionaries in the Jacobin/Bolshevik mode.

86 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:21:39am

I have that tired feeling that comes from spending too much time being tense yesterday. And that's despite taking two Nate Silvers every four hours, or as needed. I fell asleep during Obama's victory speech. So soothing!

87 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:21:44am

re: #76 wrenchwench

That whole meme about the taste of anybody's tears--it just grosses me out. But don't let that stop you, I can take it.

Don't knock it till you try it. A splash of orphan's tears can really zest up a Martini.

88 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:22:08am

re: #83 dragonath

I savor the taste of salty outpourings exuding from Republican lacrimal glands

better? /

No, not at all! But it could have been worse...

89 Destro  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:22:17am

No need to hide the truth from the rightwingers now that my side won. Get ready for the pro Obama re-education youth camps that are part of the FEMA internment camps system in Alaska in conjunction with the UN's black helicopter chem trail spreading program to fluorinate your water supply while blue helmeted "peace keepers" invade America to take away your guns and get your children gay married.

90 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:22:20am

re: #84 Gus

Boom!

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That one is gonna sting.

91 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:22:23am

CNN asks innocently:

How did Mitt Romney lose a race that seemed so tantalizingly within reach just one week ago?

92 RadicalModerate  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:22:27am

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Another lesson from the election - the media's horse race hype was just that: hype. There was no horse race. It wasn't even close.

Not only that, the hill that the Republican Party is dealing with is only growing steeper:

From Electoral-vote's post-election analysis:
[Link: www.electoral-vote.com...]

As we mentioned many times this year, the traditionally blue states--the ones Democrats have won five times in a row--are worth 242 EVs. Obama won every one of them. None were even close. Not even Wisconsin, where Obama had a 7-point margin even with a Wisconsite on the opposing ticket. Romney made a last-ditch effort to win Pennsylvania, but came up short. The blue team won by 5 points. So next time around, we can talk about the 242 EVs that the Democrats have won six times in a row. Rick Santorum or Marco Rubio aren't going to make a dent here, probably not Paul Ryan, either. Chris Christie might.

But something new has been added to the mix. New Mexico is now dark blue, so make that 247. Obama also won Nevada, Iowa, and New Hampshire by margins of 6, 5, and 5 points, respectively. If they get added to the Democratic base, it becomes 263. If the Democrats have a floor of 263 EVs in 2016, the Republicans have to win all of Colorado, Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida. All of them. Moving farther to the right, as seems entirely possible, is probably not the ticket to win these big, diverse swing states.

Outside of a major game-changer, Democrats in 2016 will have a FLOOR of almost 250 electoral votes, meaning they would only need two of the main swing states to lock up the election. A rather daunting feat when you consider that Virginia and Colorado are starting to trend heavily toward the Democratic column due to population shifts.

93 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:22:56am

re: #84 Gus

Boom!

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lol

1. PPP (D)*

1. Daily Kos/SEIU/PPP*

24. Rasmussen

24. Gallup

94 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:22:59am

re: #87 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Don't knock it till you try it. A splash of orphan's tears can really zest up a Martini.

I'll eat the olives.

95 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:23:47am

re: #76 wrenchwench

That whole meme about the taste of anybody's tears--it just grosses me out. But don't let that stop you, I can take it.

They belong in a pensieve.

96 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:24:06am

This election is a triumph for science, reason, and ordinary decency; and a sharp rebuke to the ever-present forces of superstition, greed, and prejudice.

97 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:24:46am

Another strait-face CNN headline:

Romney: Election over, principles endure

98 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:24:48am

re: #93 dragonath

lol

Yep! Top 10:

1. PPP (D)*
1. Daily Kos/SEIU/PPP*
3. YouGov*
4. Ipsos/Reuters*
5. Purple Strategies
6. NBC/WSJ
6. CBS/NYT
6. YouGov/Economist
9. UPI/CVOTER
10. IBD/TIPP

Bolding mine. See that Killgore!? :P

99 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:25:06am

re: #85 Romantic Heretic

It means 'Death to Liberals!'

A large number of those who identify as 'conservative' these days are actually revolutionaries in the Jacobin/Bolshevik mode.

I prefer to use the older word - reactionary as they react against any form of progress. See Spain in the late '30's for a deadly example.

100 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:25:09am
101 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:25:38am
102 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:25:50am

re: #80 Lidane

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In a simple word, no.

103 Big Joe Ghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:25:52am

Motivational Poster for the day.

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104 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:26:02am

re: #95 lawhawk

They belong in a pensieve.

Had to look that up. I read two of the books....

105 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:26:18am

re: #95 lawhawk

They belong in a pensieve.

Upding for not just a Harry Potter reference but an appropriate one at that. Good job!

106 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:27:19am

re: #97 freetoken

Another strait-face CNN headline:

I hate to defend CNN but they're summarizing what he said in his concession speech.

107 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:27:33am

Just a thought about last night's 'spontaneous' Rove meltdown on Fox.

When Rove sends Megyn Kelly over to check with the numbers guys, there are already a couple of cameras in place to record her walk - in particular, one at the end of a long hallway that tracks most of her walk.

I realize that it would be easy to set up cameras in network HQ, but for a 'spontaneous' act it seemed pretty well-staged.

On some level - even just with a few minutes' lead time - that whole thing was staged.

108 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:28:09am

This is how I feel today.

109 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:29:05am

re: #106 HappyBenghazi

I hate to defend CNN but they're summarizing what he said in his concession speech.

Yes, but with a strait-face?

They really need to start adding smiley faces to their pages.

110 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:29:11am

re: #97 freetoken

Another strait-face CNN headline:

LOL! Hilarious.

111 dragonfire1981  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:29:14am
112 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:30:32am

(practicing my we blanket techniques here...)

According to the HuffPo counter, which is now working again, John the Orange has 233 votes with which to work. That means the GOP lost just 9 and remain in solid control of the House.

What this means: Obama will have no legislative agenda. The next two years will be like the last two.

113 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:31:18am

re: #111 dragonfire1981

The GOP's Kobayashi Maru problem

It's "toe the line", not "tow the line".

114 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:31:35am

re: #109 freetoken

Yes, but with a strait-face?

They really need to start adding smiley faces to their pages.

Ha true enough.

115 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:32:19am

re: #108 wrenchwench

This is how I feel today.

[Embedded content]

This still sums up my feelings best right now..


Vaughn-Williams, The Lark Ascending.

116 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:32:45am
117 stockman  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:32:55am

Well, disappointed I am, but if the remaining Republicans are not to become totally irrelevant they'll have to make reasonable accommodation on the immigrant problem and throttle the Creationist types, for starters.

118 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:33:38am

re: #112 freetoken

Ah, you were telling us Obama was going to lose a couple of weeks ago. I don't buy it. Boehner can't stonewall everything for the next 2 years.

119 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:34:56am

re: #92 RadicalModerate

Not only that, the hill that the Republican Party is dealing with is only growing steeper:

From Electoral-vote's post-election analysis:
[Link: www.electoral-vote.com...]

Outside of a major game-changer, Democrats in 2016 will have a FLOOR of almost 250 electoral votes, meaning they would only need two of the main swing states to lock up the election. A rather daunting feat when you consider that Virginia and Colorado are starting to trend heavily toward the Democratic column due to population shifts.

A good thought... but let's not get complacent.

120 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:34:57am
121 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:34:57am

re: #118 dragonath

Ah, you were telling us Obama was going to lose a couple of weeks ago. I don't buy it. Boehner can't stonewall everything for the next 2 years.

Especially without a fillbuster to act as a figleaf in the Senate...

122 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:35:29am

re: #112 freetoken

The real test will be if the Dems can find a way to tie the legislative gridlock around Boehner's neck for 2014. That will lead to a landslide in the opposite direction of 2010, and then hopefully more will be accomplished.

As of right now, the blocking/obstruction looks to only get worse as the Republicans will probably be scared of getting 'Lugared' by not listing hard right.

123 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:35:55am

re: #118 dragonath

Ah, you were telling us Obama was going to lose a couple of weeks ago. I don't buy it. Boehner can't stonewall everything for the next 2 years.

Need theme music here...

124 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:36:06am

re: #117 stockman

Well, disappointed I am, but if the remaining Republicans are not to become totally irrelevant they'll have to make reasonable accommodation complete capitulation on the immigrant problem and throttle the Creationist types, for starters.

FTFY

125 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:36:27am

re: #118 dragonath

No, I did not.

I was afraid that his debate performance was going to hurt him.

And it probably did.

And yes, Obama will have to contend with the GOP controlled House and the remaining Republicans in control over there, like Issa and Cantor, will do everything they can, and they can do a lot, to deep six any Obama agenda.

126 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:36:47am

Last night after the catering class we walked over to a local bar in downtown SF (Jillian's - their wings are excellent btw) to enjoy a drink and watch on huge screens the tail-end of the election process. For a while Romney was in the lead with electoral votes and the mood, though elated, was also cautious. Several of us expressed very serious concern over the mere idea..."what if Romney *was* elected, then what?!?" I'm sure that resulted in ordering a second round after the food arrived. In any event, the volume in that place exploded when The President took Ohio, California, Nevada, etc. We did see a couple Romney supporters in there - easy to spot: not cheering, clapping, and with deep frowns. Okay, okay, maybe they voted for a 3rd party, to be fair. I'm on campus right now and everything is very mellow yellow. Life goes on.

127 Bulworth  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:37:49am

re: #121 jamesfirecat

Especially without a fillbuster to act as a figleaf in the Senate...

And now the GOPteabag has a different problem--they can't just obstruct HCR or any other "optional" legislation proposed by Obama. They have to act to prevent the expiration of the Bush tax cuts and the sequestration cuts (which they made necessary in exchange for increasing the debt ceiling). Have fun with that, teabags.

128 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:37:55am

Hmm. The mp3 isn't playing for me. Is that a foible of my antique or not? Can anyone else play it?

129 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:38:50am

re: #128 William Barnett-Lewis

Hmm. The mp3 isn't playing for me. Is that a foible of my antique or not? Can anyone else play it?

My antique has lots of foibles. I didn't expect it to work for me.

130 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:39:07am

Election Night With the AFA: Obama Won Because he Harnessed People's Capacity for Envy, Hate, & Greed

Obviously the Evangelicals are pissed because that it their traditional SOP.

131 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:41:54am

re: #130 Kragarghazi

Election Night With the AFA: Obama Won Because he Harnessed People's Capacity for Envy, Hate, & Greed

Obviously the Evangelicals are pissed because that it their traditional SOP.

Hahaha fucking AFA doesn't have the right to lecture anyone about envy, greed, and hate. Remember 2004? All those anti-gay marriage referendums that were put on state ballots specifically to get people like them out to vote for Bush. The total opposite happened last night and the AFA is just miserable about that.

132 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:41:58am

re: #125 freetoken

Nine seats is progress. That's more movement one way than all the years between 1994 and 2006, and the electorate is more dynamic now.

Try not to find a shadow in a ray of light. We stopped Romney. We stopped Bork. We stopped Bolton. We gained Senate seats. The House GOP cannot hold that dam forever.

133 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:43:02am

How's everyone doing today?
Well, I don't know about you guys, but I'm exhausted.
It feels like I just ran a marathon against Paul Ryan, and won.
Oh, wait !!!

134 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:44:38am

Poll: Latino Vote Devastated GOP Even Worse Than Exits Showed

An election eve poll of 5,600 voters across all 50 states by the group, which has researched the Latino vote throughout the campaign, concluded Obama won by an eye-popping 75-23 margin. Their research concluded that CNN’s exit poll estimate of 71 percent of Latinos breaking to Obama likely undercounted their support, although they agreed with the assessment that turnout equaled 10 percent of the electorate.

“For the first time in US history, the Latino vote can plausibly claim to be nationally decisive,” Stanford University university professor Gary Segura, who conducted the study, told reporters.

According to Segura, the Latino vote provided Obama with 5.4 percent of his margin over Romney, well more than his overall lead in the popular vote. Had Romney managed even 35 percent of the Latino vote, he said, the results may have flipped nationally.

135 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:44:40am

re: #133 OhNoBenghazi!

How's everyone doing today?
Well, I don't know about you guys, but I'm exhausted.
It feels like I just ran a marathon against Paul Ryan, and won.
Oh, wait !!!

I went to bed here in Europe rather early last nite, and woke up at 5am local time just to hear Ohio called for Obama. Now I am exhausted.

136 blueraven  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:44:49am

re: #82 lawhawk

Nate's too busy prepping his models for the 2014 and 2016 election to be bothered with a nutter like Morris.

I'm really thinking that Clinton won in 1992 and 1996 despite Morris, not because of him.

Morris couldn't be more hopelessly wrong than he was on calling this election, and he's engaging in more than a little wishful thinking if he thinks that Obama won in a squeaker when he predicted a landslide by Romney by precisely the same kind of margin.

I think this is what happens to a once decent mind, when you operate solely out of hatred and revenge. He has become a big joke, but the right lets him get away with it...because former Clinton Adviser!

137 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:44:57am

Just wait till Pammy finds out this Ukrainian is anti-Muslim, then they are BFF's

138 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:46:10am

California initiative results...
Requiring GMO foods to be labelled as such, lost.
[Link: vote.sos.ca.gov...]

139 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:46:33am

re: #133 OhNoBenghazi!

How's everyone doing today?
Well, I don't know about you guys, but I'm exhausted.
It feels like I just ran a marathon against Paul Ryan, and won.
Oh, wait !!!

I'm hungover. And happy. But mostly hungover.

If I get anything accomplished at work today, it will be a damn miracle.

140 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:47:22am

re: #138 Dancing along the light of day

California initiative results...
Requiring GMO foods to be labelled as such, lost.
[Link: vote.sos.ca.gov...]

That one had a ton of corporate money against it.

141 Randall Gross  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:47:33am
142 Destro  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:47:35am

re: #134 Kragarghazi

Poll: Latino Vote Devastated GOP Even Worse Than Exits Showed

GOP shocked Latinos vote. News at 11.

143 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:47:42am

Five Religious Right Myths Exposed in Election Defeat

The Religious Right took a drubbing at the polls yesterday as voters rejected not only Mitt Romney but also some of the most extreme Republican candidates, even those in races that should have been easy Republican victories. Like other conservatives, many Religious Right activists predicted a big victory for Romney and Republicans in the U.S. Senate based on five myths they hold about the electorate:

144 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:50:54am
145 William of Orange  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:51:06am

Hahaha!!! Alan West demands recount.

(Warning, that's a Breitbart link, of course IN CAPS LOCK@@#$%%^!!! So here's an opportunity to read the stuff without soiling your computer with a Breitbart cookie. In other words; A screenshot.)

146 Bulworth  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:51:17am

re: #143 Kragarghazi

Five Religious Right Myths Exposed in Election Defeat

Also too: gay marriage referendums passed in three states and an anti-gay marriage amendment was defeated in another.

147 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:51:50am

Andrew Sullivan tells Stephen Colbert: Karl Rove’s ‘head just exploded’

“What do you think happens to Karl now?” Colbert replied. “He promised my billionaire friends…”

“His head just exploded,” Sullivan said, grinning.

“He promised a bunch of billionaires that if they gave him $300 million he would deliver [a win against] Obama,” Colbert said. “Does he have to go into, like, the witness protection program now?”

“Sheldon Adelson poured millions into six races and lost all six of them,” Sullivan noted. “Money is not everything.”

148 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:51:59am

re: #146 Bulworth

Also too: gay marriage referendums passed in three states and an anti-gay marriage amendment was defeated in another.

It's 2004 in reverse. We've come a long way from that.

149 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:52:34am

re: #137 Vicious Babushka

Just wait till Pammy finds out this Ukrainian is anti-Muslim, then they are BFF's

[Embedded content]

Derp.

Image: 000802ab8045095e63f340.jpg

150 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:53:57am

This would be a bit OT in the follow-on thread, so I'll put this here. Looking at the exit polls in the Minnesota ballot measure for the anti-same-sex Constitutional amendment, it seems that the main supporters of the amendment were older men. (Older voters and men voted more yes than no; women and younger voters voted overwhelmingly no.) There's a good reason I call the GOP the Good Ol' Boys Club.

151 efuseakay  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:54:40am

re: #93 dragonath

lol

9999999999999999911ty. Unskewed

152 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:59:35am

re: #140 wrenchwench

That one had a ton of corporate money against it.

Bazillions. Both sides advertising sucked & was full of lies. The GMO label folks kept talking about pesticides!

153 William of Orange  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:00:58am

re: #52 bratwurst

The insane, revolution-obsessed person operating the Donald Trump Twitter last night has apparently be replaced by Little Orphan Annie!

[Embedded content]

The only thing split in that tweet is Donald Trump, his hair and reality.

154 efuseakay  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:01:21am

re: #112 freetoken

(practicing my we blanket techniques here...)

According to the HuffPo counter, which is now working again, John the Orange has 233 votes with which to work. That means the GOP lost just 9 and remain in solid control of the House.

What this means: Obama will have no legislative agenda. The next two years will be like the last two.

I don't know. The President isn't worried about being re-elected now. He can just tell them to do their fucking jobs... Shit or get off the pot. This fiscal cliff deal is do-or die for the GOP. Everyone knows they are in charge of Congress. If they fail to cut a deal and we head back into recession, it's on them. 2014 will be very ugly if you're a Republican.

155 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:05:28am

re: #127 Bulworth

And now the GOPteabag has a different problem--they can't just obstruct HCR or any other "optional" legislation proposed by Obama. They have to act to prevent the expiration of the Bush tax cuts and the sequestration cuts (which they made necessary in exchange for increasing the debt ceiling). Have fun with that, teabags.

The Democrats should go "off the cliff" then propose a bill lowering the taxes on the middle and lower class.

Let Republicans vote against it, let them...

156 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:05:54am

re: #113 wrenchwench

It's "toe the line", not "tow the line".

Oh, are we going there again? If so, let me put in my two cents regarding "strait-face": I'm agin it.

157 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:19:42am

re: #89 Destro

No need to hide the truth from the rightwingers now that my side won. Get ready for the pro Obama re-education youth camps that are part of the FEMA internment camps system in Alaska in conjunction with the UN's black helicopter chem trail spreading program to fluorinate your water supply while blue helmeted "peace keepers" invade America to take away your guns and get your children gay married.

Then on day two ...

158 Mich-again  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:37:15am

I'm in Port Elizabeth South Africa for a couple weeks so I missed all the hoopla back home. All I know is that the whining and gnashing of teeth is becoming quite annoying. Please wingnuts, go back to to showing me pictures of your dog.

159 Mich-again  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:39:39am

On facebook I should add. Posting from a smartphone is a challenge for me.


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