1 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:56:05am

I know everybody fell all over themselves to pronounce Romney's concession speech "graceful," but that bit about praying for the President REALLY hit me the wrong way.

It sounds exactly like the parting shot used by fundamentalists when they can't win an argument about creationism -- "you're a godless monster in league with Satan, but I'll pray for you."

You know what? Fuck Mitt Romney's prayers, and fuck his condescending "I'll pray for the President and this country" line. After the dishonest race-baiting election campaign he ran, he needs to be praying for HIMSELF.

2 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:57:01am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

I think the best I can say for Romney is that at least he didn't pull a Donald Trump.

3 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:57:54am

re: #2 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

I think the best I can say for Romney is that at least he didn't pull a Donald Trump.

Or a Todd Akin. TBH, I was fully expecting him to do exactly that.

4 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:58:22am

If the election taught us anything, its that the power of prayer is crap.

Just ask Cindy Jacobs.

5 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:59:26am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

I know everybody fell all over themselves to pronounce Romney's concession speech "graceful," but that bit about praying for the President REALLY hit me the wrong way.

It sounds exactly like the parting shot used by fundamentalists when they can't win an argument about creationism -- "you're a godless monster in league with Satan, but I'll pray for you."

You know what? Fuck Mitt Romney's prayers, and fuck his condescending "I'll pray for the President and this country" line. After the dishonest race-baiting election campaign he ran, he needs to be praying for HIMSELF.

Yeah.

6 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:01:51am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Yeah, I thought that too. I was like, "Ok, this isn't too bad, where was this Romney? He sounds almost positive here."

Then Romney said he was going to "pray" for the misguided (Muslim! Liberal! Godless!) president. And God save America.

Dogwhistling to the very end.

7 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:02:13am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

I know everybody fell all over themselves to pronounce Romney's concession speech "graceful," but that bit about praying for the President REALLY hit me the wrong way.

It sounds exactly like the parting shot used by fundamentalists when they can't win an argument about creationism -- "you're a godless monster in league with Satan, but I'll pray for you."

You know what? Fuck Mitt Romney's prayers, and fuck his condescending "I'll pray for the President and this country" line. After the dishonest race-baiting election campaign he ran, he needs to be praying for HIMSELF.

The concession speech was every bit as artificial and insincere as the rest of his campaign.

Here's your one-way ticket to Palookaville, Mitt. Enjoy the ride, and take Rove with you.

8 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:02:17am

Meanwhile, I wonder how the billionaires he failed are planning to deal with Karl Rove. Invitation to a private hunting reserve/island for the most dangerous game or trap door in a penthouse lair leading to the furnaces?

9 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:02:19am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

Around here "I'm praying for (person)" is a passive aggressive way of pointing out who God listens to.

Divine concern trolling.

10 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:02:45am

Apparently he really didn't write that before he lost. Talk about arrogant. Imagine what they would say about Obama if he did that.

12 CarleeCork  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:03:48am

re: #7 makeitstopghazi

The concession speech was every bit as artificial and insincere as the rest of his campaign.

Here's your one-way ticket to Palookaville, Mitt. Enjoy the ride, and take Rove with you.

On the roof of your car.

13 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:04:27am

Unintentional comedy ensues

14 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:04:57am
15 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:05:02am

re: #12 CarleeCork

On the roof of your car.

You always add just the right finishing touch, Carlee. :)

16 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:05:26am

re: #11 Varek Raith

Limbaugh Ponders How To "Go Out And Get The Women's Vote": "Let's Start Our Own Abortion Industry"

Limbaugh should just let rip and scream the word "Whore" into the mike for thirty minutes.

17 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:05:26am

Mitt gave a good concession speech. Classy and humble. Crowd reaction was also decent but what does the dude shout out at 2:50 when Mitt is talking about bipartisanship?

18 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:05:49am

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Mitt gave a good concession speech. Classy and humble. Crowd reaction was also decent but what does the dude shout out at 2:50 when Mitt is talking about bipartisanship?

Benghazi!

19 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:06:16am
20 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:06:38am
21 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:08:03am
22 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:08:56am

re: #20 Lidane

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Nate Silver still hasn't updated today, how can I be sure Obama really won unless 538 says he has a 100% chance of doing so?

23 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:09:06am
24 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:09:12am
25 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:09:23am

Erick Erickson: Republican consultants swimming in cash like ‘Scrooge McDuck’

While reviewing the election results on Wednesday morning, CNN’s John Berman noted that Obama’s effort to get out the vote in Ohio proved that “ground game matters.”

“Republicans this time around said that they could match the Obama ground game,” CNN senior congressional correspondent Dana Bash pointed out. “And they didn’t.”

“It was a lot of hype on the Republican side,” Erickson agreed. “The problem is that you had a number of consultants in the Republican Party who decided, ‘We’re going to keep the data for ourselves, don’t you go set it up.’ What Barack Obama did successfully in 2008 is he told Democratic consultants in Washington, ‘You know what? We’re going to do this in Chicago, guys.’ And it worked. Republicans are going to have to start doing that.”

“It’s the D.C. GOP consultants are swimming around like Scrooge McDuck this morning. They spent the money and they got nothing to show for it.”

26 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:09:46am

re: #8 Kragarghazi

Meanwhile, I wonder how the billionaires he failed are planning to deal with Karl Rove. Invitation to a private hunting reserve/island for the most dangerous game or trap door in a penthouse lair leading to the furnaces?

A little hunting expedition with Dick Cheney.

27 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:10:11am

re: #23 Gus

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Okely dokely neighborino.

28 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:10:12am

re: #21 HappyBenghazi

Heh it's adorable how delusional he is.

He wrapped up with whole deal with "We have to go with a real conservative next time."

29 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:11:34am

re: #28 Kragarghazi

He wrapped up with whole deal with "We have to go with a real conservative next time."

He always says that. And the Republican candidate always moves far to the right to first win the primary ala McCain and Romney and then that candidate loses. I wonder when Rush will get a clue that his idea of a "conservative" isn't going to win any presidential election in this country ever.

30 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:13:03am

Nate Silver on the Daily Show tonight. The level of (deserved) self-satisfaction should be through the roof.

31 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:13:23am

I posted this link on my FB page:
Five Religious Right Myths Exposed in Election Defeat

...with this comment:

Republicans: Don't let the usual suspects sell you on the idea that the solution to last night's disaster is to double-down on the crazy. That is not the way back, it is the way to irrelevant regionalism and a one party system dominated forever by the Democrats.

(h/t Kragarghazi, who first posted the link to this excellent analysis.)

32 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:13:38am

Rush Limbaugh eats humble pie: ‘We are outnumbered and we are losing ground’

“We have to face some truths, we have to face some reality,” he said. “We are outnumbered and we are losing ground. This was not a glitch. This is the trend. That happened last night. This is the trend. We are outnumbered. Whether you want to put it in terms of, ‘Have we lost the country or not?’ There’s no other explanation.”

33 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:14:30am
34 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:14:30am

re: #23 Gus

There should be enough disgruntled losers out there to try to buy their own little island nation somewhere, and see how they like it.

35 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:15:12am

re: #25 Kragarghazi

Erick Erickson: Republican consultants swimming in cash like ‘Scrooge McDuck’

Republicans enabled these ticks and they have nothing to show for it. Fat election consultants don't knock on doors.

36 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:15:21am
37 justaminute  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:15:36am

My husband had to call and tell me the restaurant has been packed here in Oklahoma City with wingnuts coming in all voicing the same question "Why" over and over again. He said you would enjoy this and the satisfaction that they just paid off your charge card payments to President Obama's and Elizabeth Warren's election! Right now I'm just going to be happy with that.

38 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:15:52am

re: #33 Gus

After the Ohio call, Rove -- whose super-PAC had spent as much as $300 million on the election, to little avail -- took their complaints public, conducting an on-air primer on Ohio's electoral math in disputing the call.

Business expertise.

39 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:16:13am

re: #32 Kragarghazi

I swear, they act like whites are going to become extinct in the next century as some Latino family is walking through a museum one day "Daddy, what's that?"....."That's a white person son. They used to run things until we out-bred them into extinction."

41 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:16:22am

nate silver has the president's chances of winning re-election at 100% today

42 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:16:35am

re: #23 Gus

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Pretty rich of him to say the democrats are the ones who want to break up the union when his party has a death grip on just about all of the nations that actually made up the CSA.

43 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:16:42am

re: #41 engineer cat

nate silver has the president's chances of winning re-election at 100% today

SKEWED

44 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:17:17am

I still can't believe Romney invited Trump to his crappy party too. I guess the only thing to say about that is no one will know who he is in 50 years.

I'm finding it difficult to describe what it was like when the President came on. It felt like the future had finally arrived. Like we're finally past Bush. I don't know if this is what it felt like when Clinton was re-elected, for a brief moment you could sense both ends of his presidency and what it means to this country.

45 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:17:20am

re: #40 Gus

Kilmeade On Voters Approving Of Obama's Response To Sandy: America Is "The Shallowest Country In The History Of Man"

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I love how their true feelings on America come out whenever we don't vote the way they like.

46 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:17:40am

It's fascinating to look at the election map. Mitt Romney basically was the winner in the Confederacy.

47 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:17:40am

Florida, as usual, finds counting teh hard.

48 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:17:50am

re: #45 HappyBenghazi

I love how their true feelings on America come out whenever we don't vote the way they like.

Can you believe that? They're truly such wretched creatures.

49 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:17:52am

re: #36 Varek Raith

Bill O’Reilly: 'The White Establishment Is Now The Minority'
Warning, FoxNation link.

And, as a white person, I don't have a problem with this, because it's just demographics.

But apparent O'Reilly and the rest of the TPGOP throwbacks do have a problem...fuck them.

50 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:17:56am

re: #33 Gus

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Called it. Staged event, theater for nutjobs.

51 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:17:59am
52 erik_t  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:18:50am

re: #50 makeitstopghazi

Called it. Staged event, theater for nutjobs.

I hadn't watched it; I just did so on Youtube. It's very, very clearly something they planned for.

53 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:18:55am

re: #49 Ben G. Hazi

And, as a white person, I don't have a problem with this, because it's just demographics.

But apparent O'Reilly and the rest of the TPGOP throwbacks do have a problem...fuck them.

As a white male...ATHEIST, I can't even begin to understand why this freaks people like Bill o out.
;)

54 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:19:01am

re: #48 Gus

Can you believe that? They're truly such wretched creatures.

Unfortunately I can after seeing what Glenn Beck said about us needing to be destroyed if Obama won re-election. These people accuse Obama of being the hateful one but they're some of the most hateful people I have ever seen.

55 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:19:12am

re: #32 Kragarghazi

Rush Limbaugh eats humble pie: ‘We are outnumbered and we are losing ground’

“We have to face some truths, we have to face some reality,” he said. “We are outnumbered and we are losing ground. This was not a glitch. This is the trend. That happened last night. This is the trend. We are outnumbered. Whether you want to put it in terms of, ‘Have we lost the country or not?’ There’s no other explanation.”

No, El Rushbo, you have not lost the country. It was never yours to start with. The Founders were men of the Enlightenment, while you represent the forces of privilege, prejudice, and superstition that they so opposed.
Statesmanship has defeated salesmanship, government by commercial sound-byte is no longer an option.

56 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:19:46am

re: #41 engineer cat

nate silver has the president's chances of winning re-election at 100% today

Lemme work those numbers -unskewedpolls

Chambers admits his unskewing was wrong, his model was wrong, and got the outcomes wrong.

Oh, and get this - he's going after Rasmussen and others who got their polls wrong too (though Rasmussen showed a sharp move towards Obama in the closing days - to at least get close to the right direction as the ultimate outcome).

Yeah, go blame the pollsters when you were busy claiming that the numbers they aggregated was wrong - wrong samples etc.

Tuck tail and run.

57 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:20:03am
58 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:20:19am

re: #22 jamesfirecat

Nate Silver still hasn't updated today, how can I be sure Obama really won unless 538 says he has a 100% chance of doing so?

Nate is sitting back with a tall one, and will be reviewing offers in a few days. He will notify the winning bidders by email once he has made his decisions.

59 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:20:34am

re: #55 Shiplord Kirel

No, El Rushbo, you have not lost the country. It was never yours to start with. The Founders were men of the Enlightenment, while you represent the forces of privilege, prejudice, and superstition that they so opposed.
Statesmanship has defeated salesmanship, government by commercial sound-byte is no longer an option.

Oh, but the TPGOP didn't learn shit, because they'll double-down for sure for 2014.

60 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:20:36am

re: #56 lawhawk

Chambers admits his unskewing was wrong, his model was wrong, and got the outcomes wrong.

Oh, and get this - he's going after Rasmussen and others who got their polls wrong too (though Rasmussen showed a sharp move towards Obama in the closing days - to at least get close to the right direction as the ultimate outcome).

Yeah, go blame the pollsters when you were busy claiming that the numbers they aggregated was wrong - wrong samples etc.

Tuck tail and run.

Heh, still better than Dick Morris's excuse.
XD

61 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:20:45am

As a white male, I simply don't give a shit.

62 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:21:37am

re: #61 HappyBenghazi

As a white male, I simply don't give a shit.

You really should.
Because Benghazi.

63 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:21:41am

re: #56 lawhawk

Chambers admits his unskewing was wrong, his model was wrong, and got the outcomes wrong.

Oh, and get this - he's going after Rasmussen and others who got their polls wrong too (though Rasmussen showed a sharp move towards Obama in the closing days - to at least get close to the right direction as the ultimate outcome).

Yeah, go blame the pollsters when you were busy claiming that the numbers they aggregated was wrong - wrong samples etc.

Tuck tail and run.

Wasn't Chambers tacking on 5-6% for Rmoney on almost every poll he cited?

64 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:21:47am

re: #46 Charles Johnson

It's fascinating to look at the election map. Mitt Romney basically was the winner in the Confederacy.

Except Florida and Virginia.

65 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:22:08am
66 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:22:51am
67 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:23:07am
68 erik_t  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:23:12am

re: #66 Gus

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Kill the extra http on the end of the link.

69 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:23:13am

re: #65 jaunte

Fox News Slowly Loses Its Mind Over Election Results

Got some extra stuff at the end there.

70 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:23:29am

re: #64 Vicious Babushka

Except Florida and Virginia.

North Florida is TPer country, but central to south Florida is like NY/NJ South in its demographics; Northern Virginia is like D.C. South.

71 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:23:40am

re: #34 jaunte

There should be enough disgruntled losers out there to try to buy their own little island nation somewhere, and see how they like it.

Somalia here we come! No unions, no regulation, no income tax, no environmentalists, no gun control!

72 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:23:52am
73 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:24:11am

re: #70 Ben G. Hazi

North Florida's "cracker" country, but central to south Florida is like NY/NJ South in its demographics; Northern Virginia is like D.C. South.

AKA, Not Real Virginia.
-George Allen.

74 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:24:26am
75 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:24:45am

re: #58 Petero1818

Nate is sitting back with a tall one, stroking a white persian cat and will be reviewing offers in a few days. He will notify the winning bidders by email once he has made his decisions.

They call him... (I can't come up with any Bond names that are not horrible double entendres like "Silverpoll")

76 GeneJockey  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:24:46am

In the end, whether Romney's concession was graceful or not, he conceded, and it's done, and that's what I care about.

My laugh of the day came from visiting a Bowhunting forum I used to haunt till it was completely overrun with stupidity. There, the forum owner was lamenting the loss of America, and talking about moving to Greenland (silly bastard wants to bowhunt Polar Bears!).

So, to escape the descent of America into European Socialism, he wants to move to a European country, run by actual Socialists.

77 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:24:56am

Obama's Anger Translator - Victory

78 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:25:01am

Barack Hussein Obama has been reelected President of the United States of America. The Commander in Chief. Let that sink in wingnuts!

79 erik_t  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:25:04am

re: #52 erik_t

I hadn't watched it; I just did so on Youtube. It's very, very clearly something they planned for.

Um, holy crap. Why would you have a handheld mic conveniently sitting in a news anchor's desk? Does Fox often do traveling interviews from their own freaking set?

80 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:25:38am

re: #76 GeneJockey

In the end, whether Romney's concession was graceful or not, he conceded, and it's done, and that's what I care about.

My laugh of the day came from visiting a Bowhunting forum I used to haunt till it was completely overrun with stupidity. There, the forum owner was lamenting the loss of America, and talking about moving to Greenland (silly bastard wants to bowhunt Polar Bears!).

So, to escape the descent of America into European Socialism, he wants to move to a European country, run by actual Socialists.

Polar bears don't give a shit about puny arrows.

81 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:27:10am

re: #75 jamesfirecat

They call him... (I can't come up with any Bond names that are not horrible double entendres like "Silverpoll")

Pollfinger!

82 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:27:43am

re: #23 Gus

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The comments on that article are truly surreal.

And seeing freedom sold down the creek for free contraception and the right to kill your children incurs a certain amount of bitterness. But I'm sure the Goldman Sachs boys will have the economy humming along in no time, and life will be good again.

These tears are extra salty.

83 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:28:22am

Charles, are you messing with the Dinger and or the Avatars? I am not seeing them even after shutting down and restarting my system. Using Windows 7 and Safari 5.1.7

84 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:28:45am

Family Research Council Licks its Wounds after Election Pummeling

Perkins claimed that same-sex marriage will never be morally acceptable or within the bounds of natural law whatever the voters in Maryland and elsewhere say, while McClusky said that “civil disobedience” will now be necessary thanks to marriage equality’s increasing victories.

Garlow, who prior to the election warned that an Obama second term will make America “unrecognizable” and “forever gone,” said that Christians should now expect immense persecution from the government, and Meadows called for Christians to emulate Gideon’s army and remember that “our God will not be mocked.”

Challenge accepted.

85 GeneJockey  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:29:23am

re: #80 Varek Raith

Polar bears don't give a shit about puny arrows.

To be fair, when you bowhunt either Polar or Grizzly Bears, you generally have a guide nearby with a BFG. Arrows do not drop animals in their tracks, Hollywood notwithstanding.

86 Mattand  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:29:29am

re: #56 lawhawk

Chambers admits his unskewing was wrong, his model was wrong, and got the outcomes wrong.

Oh, and get this - he's going after Rasmussen and others who got their polls wrong too (though Rasmussen showed a sharp move towards Obama in the closing days - to at least get close to the right direction as the ultimate outcome).

Yeah, go blame the pollsters when you were busy claiming that the numbers they aggregated was wrong - wrong samples etc.

Tuck tail and run.

Have you seen Unskewed Polls.com? Makes Drudge Report look like it belongs in the Louvre. And literally every other post in the comments section is spam for a casino site or male enhancement drug.

Were conservatives that desperate enough to latch on to this guy?

87 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:30:17am

I really do love how Obama winning re-election brings out how nasty they are towards their fellow Americans. This idea that Obama supporters are a bunch of freeloaders and Romney ones the providers is so laughable. Considering that Romney won some of the poorest states in the union and Obama some of the most wealthy ones. Median income is six figures here in Loudoun and yet Obama the "socialist" won here by five percent which actually exceeded his state wide numbers. So yeah conservatives keep on telling us that only you work hard and us liberals don't know what work is.

88 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:30:48am

OT: Storm names! Getcha Winter storm names!

They should have left the naming part up to less of a nerd. Khan? Q? Really?

89 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:31:16am

re: #84 Kragarghazi

We're not mocking G-d. We're mocking those who think they've got a direct line to the Almighty and think they know what He intended.

Those people will be mocked mercilessly.

They're nothing but a long line of charlatans who are out to enrich themselves on fear and greed.

90 GeneJockey  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:31:42am

re: #86 Mattand

Were conservatives that desperate enough to latch on to this guy?

I must confess that in 2004 I was seduced by several posters on DailyKos who re-cast the polling results with the 'correct' Party ID percentages. It made the inevitable fall that much worse.

91 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:32:18am

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Dems get the North Dakota seat. If I recall Berg was the one saying that women who get abortions should be treated as murderers. Maybe you need less insane candidates GOP. Ones who are actually concerned about the economy and not what women do with their bodies.

92 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:37:28am

From National Review, not linking because fuck them.

We’ve seen an important (though far from decisive) battle in the slow-motion civil war the nation is undergoing: The blue states want to secede not from America but from Americanism. They reject the American republic of God-fearing individuals in favor of the European ideal, which has only been government by aristocracy: either an aristocracy of birth or, nowadays, of ruling know-it-alls — of post-religious, globalist intellectuals (a.k.a. PORGIs). As I’ve said before — many others have too — you can’t graduate class after class after class of left-indoctrinated ignoramuses without paying the price. Last night was a down payment.

But we’ve won civil wars and preserved the Union before. We’ll do it again — if we face up to the fact that we need to replace our schools and colleges now; the grace period has lasted a generation, but it’s over. I know we can do it and I’m pretty sure we will do it. Americanism is too strong and brilliant and young to die.

Wait....who won the civil war again? Man, I'd have voted for PBO even if he completely tanked the economy just because the reactions from the morons in this country is just that awesome.

93 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:37:40am

re: #91 HappyBenghazi

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Dems get the North Dakota seat. If I recall Berg was the one saying that women who get abortions should be treated as murderers. Maybe you need less insane candidates GOP. Ones who are actually concerned about the economy and not what women do with their bodies.

If you insist that you get to decide what a woman should do about her own insides, women are going to vote against you.

If you insist that non-whites should have extra hurdles for day to day activities, that result in DWB(lack or brown) being a reality, non-whites are going to vote against you.

and on and on...

94 Bulworth  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:37:43am

re: #91 HappyBenghazi

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]
Dems get the North Dakota seat. If I recall Berg was the one saying that women who get abortions should be treated as murderers. Maybe you need less insane candidates GOP. Ones who are actually concerned about the economy and not what women do with their bodies.

CNN kept telling me last night that the Dem candidate in ND was against Obama on a variety of issues. Didn't get any specifics. Happy for the win, but hope the Senator elect will be with us on a few things.

95 Mattand  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:37:47am

re: #89 lawhawk

We're not mocking G-d. We're mocking those who think they've got a direct line to the Almighty and think they know what He intended.

Those people will be mocked mercilessly.

They're nothing but a long line of charlatans who are out to enrich themselves on fear and greed.

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The problem with that is these folk take the slightest criticism as "OMG, how can you fuck with the Jesus?!!!???"

96 jc717  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:38:16am

re: #25 Kragarghazi

Erick Erickson: Republican consultants swimming in cash like ‘Scrooge McDuck’

He's just upset that he didn't get to funnel more of that cash himself.

97 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:38:39am

re: #92 Ghost of Tom Joad

From National Review, not linking because fuck them.

Wait....who won the civil war again? Man, I'd have voted for PBO even if he completely tanked the economy just because the reactions from the morons in this country is just that awesome.

Projection. Which party is it that thinks they can play "we know best" and which says to let the people make their own damn choice?

98 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:38:45am

re: #94 Bulworth

CNN kept telling me last night that the Dem candidate in ND was against Obama on a variety of issues. Didn't get any specifics. Happy for the win, but hope the Senator elect will be with us on a few things.

Well it's North Dakota, she had to distance herself. I don't like it but it's politics. Look at what Brown had to do in Massachusetts. He was begging people to split their tickets and so was Linda McMahon. At least she wasn't doing that.

99 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:39:10am

re: #87 HappyBenghazi

I really do love how Obama winning re-election brings out how nasty they are towards their fellow Americans. This idea that Obama supporters are a bunch of freeloaders and Romney ones the providers is so laughable. Considering that Romney won some of the poorest states in the union and Obama some of the most wealthy ones. Median income is six figures here in Loudoun and yet Obama the "socialist" won here by five percent which actually exceeded his state wide numbers. So yeah conservatives keep on telling us that only you work hard and us liberals don't know what work is.

100 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:39:33am

National Organization For Marriage Claims ‘We Are Not Defeated,’ Ignoring Reality

Despite the fact that NOM was able to contribute a record amount to the campaigns (over $5.5 million), we were still heavily outspent, by a margin of at least four-to-one. We were fighting the entirety of the political establishment in most of the states, including sitting governors in three of the states who campaigned heavily for gay marriage. Our opponents and some in the media will attempt to portray the election results as a changing point in how Americans view gay marriage, but that is not the case. Americans remain strongly in favor of marriage as the union of one man and one woman. The election results reflect the political and funding advantages our opponents enjoyed in these very liberal states.

101 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:40:24am
102 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:40:27am

re: #92 Ghost of Tom Joad

From National Review, not linking because fuck them.

Wait....who won the civil war again? Man, I'd have voted for PBO even if he completely tanked the economy just because the reactions from the morons in this country is just that awesome.

I'm so sick of right wing hacks telling me that because I'm an American liberal that I don't appreciate what it means to be an American. Fuck you assholes. This is my country just as much as it is yours and if you don't like that you can screw off.

103 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:40:56am

re: #100 Kragarghazi

National Organization For Marriage Claims ‘We Are Not Defeated,’ Ignoring Reality

Hey, if it worked for the KKK in the late 1800s...

104 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:41:30am

re: #100 Kragarghazi

National Organization For Marriage Claims ‘We Are Not Defeated,’ Ignoring Reality

Oh, now you're the embittered underdog NOM. Yeah fucking right. Maybe some of you will see once gay marriage doesn't prove to be the end of the world as you know it that you were fighting a pathetic battle.

105 A Mom Anon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:41:56am

re: #87 HappyBenghazi

This drives me nuts,mostly because I hear it all the time around here. I particularly loved hearing about how the areas leaning towards Obama early in the count would change,once all the Republicans got off work and voted. Because,durrhurr,liberals don't have jobs so they could stand in line for a couple hours,durrhurr and vote twice even. Oh hee,oh ha,the comedy.

Nitwits.

106 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:42:26am

re: #99 Gus

[Embedded content]

Yep.

107 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:42:59am

And, as inevitably as the bloody tides, the Breitbartlets are butthurt over Obama's speech. Apparently it's the worst thing any human being has ever said.

108 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:43:05am

re: #1 Charles Johnson

I know everybody fell all over themselves to pronounce Romney's concession speech "graceful," but that bit about praying for the President REALLY hit me the wrong way.

It sounds exactly like the parting shot used by fundamentalists when they can't win an argument about creationism -- "you're a godless monster in league with Satan, but I'll pray for you."

You know what? Fuck Mitt Romney's prayers, and fuck his condescending "I'll pray for the President and this country" line. After the dishonest race-baiting election campaign he ran, he needs to be praying for HIMSELF.

I thought it was fine. Stiff and wooden, yes, but they can't all be gems. I was just afraid he wasn't going to concede at all.

109 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:43:07am

re: #100 Kragarghazi

Strike us down, Liberal Gays, and we shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine....

/nerd

110 Big Steve  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:43:38am

re: #46 Charles Johnson

It's fascinating to look at the election map. Mitt Romney basically was the winner in the Confederacy.

It looks more to me that it is a rural versus city split....Popular Vote by County

111 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:43:58am

I'd like to know who the 20% or so were in California who voted against the human trafficking proposition.

112 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:44:04am

re: #105 A Mom Anon

This drives me nuts,mostly because I hear it all the time around here. I particularly loved hearing about how the areas leaning towards Obama early in the count would change,once all the Republicans got off work and voted. Because,durrhurr,liberals don't have jobs so they could stand in line for a couple hours,durrhurr and vote twice even. Oh hee,oh ha,the comedy.

Nitwits.

It's not just that we don't have jobs. We're all lazy and lack any work ethic. Now conservatives not only are fully employed but have awesome work ethic. It's simple to me. There are some conservatives who are hard working people and there are some liberals who are. Your work ethic isn't a reflection of your political ideology despite what the Conservatives uber alles crowd believes.

113 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:44:23am

re: #107 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

And, as inevitably as the bloody tides, the Breitbartlets are butthurt over Obama's speech. Apparently it's the worst thing any human being has ever said.

You know who else made victory speeches? Hitler.
/

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:44:35am

re: #30 JamesWI

Nate Silver on the Daily Show tonight. The level of (deserved) self-satisfaction should be through the roof.

He called it. Perfectly.

He gets to gloat for as long as he wants, now.

115 kirkspencer  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:44:37am

re: #102 HappyBenghazi

I'm so sick of right wing hacks telling me that because I'm an American liberal that I don't appreciate what it means to be an American. Fuck you assholes. This is my country just as much as it is yours and if you don't like that you can screw off.

I'm one of those who gets to induce cognitive dissonance. I served, and did so in line units.

What angers me is how often when I do this and ask where they served I get mutters and dissembling. It's not bad enough they want to condemn me because they think I haven't served, but they're hypocrites about it.

116 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:45:01am

re: #111 dragonath

Umm....human traffickers...or those who have...partaken in the fruits of their labor?......

117 Ian G.  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:46:10am

re: #23 Gus

Obviously, anyone talking like a fascist is creepy, but I've always found it extra creepy when Jews like Gelertner, or David Horowitz, or Pam Geller do it. Didn't any of them have relatives who had to flee Europe in the 30s?

118 Ian G.  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:47:00am

re: #25 Kragarghazi

I almost feel sorry for Erickson. He's one of the few right-wing pundits who is acting like a rational adult this morning.

119 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:47:18am

Jeez. We've got enough trouble as it is to not worry about Nat'l Guard trucks running down folks in NYC that they're supposed to be helping - running red lights at that.

120 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:48:08am

re: #76 GeneJockey

In the end, whether Romney's concession was graceful or not, he conceded, and it's done, and that's what I care about.

My laugh of the day came from visiting a Bowhunting forum I used to haunt till it was completely overrun with stupidity. There, the forum owner was lamenting the loss of America, and talking about moving to Greenland (silly bastard wants to bowhunt Polar Bears!).

Since the popular vote looked close enough in places like FLA I was bracing myself for long drawn out court battles accusations of stolen elections, etc. I'm glad Mitt had the good sense to concede. There are plenty of sore losers out there but overall the wingnut reaction is better than I expected. They saw this coming.

121 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:48:12am

re: #117 Ian G.

Obviously, anyone talking like a fascist is creepy, but I've always found it extra creepy when Jews like Gelertner, or David Horowitz, or Pam Geller do it. Didn't any of them have relatives who had to flee Europe in the 30s?

Yes, but they think these fascists are different. Delusional, cognitive dissonance, splodey heads, etc.

122 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:48:21am

So NRO has not one, but two The Corner posts up about how Liberal Academia has brainwashed kids.

Did College Education Zombie Brainwashing Secure Obama’s Victory?

(Gawker link)

Yet another round of "we're the only real Americans."

This is why shit won't change; basic contempt of the idea of the equality of vote. If things don't go their way, it means that the system is broken and that too many people have franchise.

123 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:48:30am

CNN panel to Obama: Appoint Romney as ‘secretary of business’

A CNN panel of journalists and other experts on Wednesday called on President Barack Obama to appoint former Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney as the “secretary of business.”

CNN host Wolf Blitzer noted that Obama would need to name new cabinet members after being re-elected and it would be “a pretty good idea” to choose some Republicans.

“Look at what the president did last night in his speech,” Republican strategist Alex Castellanos remarked. “He said he was going to call Mitt Romney and talk about how to move forward together. That was incredibly generous and also incredibly smart politically.”

Blitzer suggested that Obama could “go bold” and pick someone like Romney as the secretary of Treasury.

Yeah, that will happen.

124 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:48:59am

re: #118 Ian G.

I almost feel sorry for Erickson. He's one of the few right-wing pundits who is acting like a rational adult this morning.

BENGHAZI!

125 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:49:51am

re: #122 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea

So NRO has not one, but two The Corner posts up about how Liberal Academia has brainwashed kids.

Did College Education Zombie Brainwashing Secure Obama’s Victory?

(Gawker link)

Yet another round of "we're the only real Americans."

This is why shit won't change; basic contempt of the idea of the equality of vote. If things don't go their way, it means that the system is broken and that too many people have franchise.

Romney actually won voters with just a bachelors though. So I don't know what this "Oh my god college is brainwashing people" bullshit meme is.

126 blueraven  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:50:12am
127 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:50:18am

re: #117 Ian G.

Obviously, anyone talking like a fascist is creepy, but I've always found it extra creepy when Jews like Gelertner, or David Horowitz, or Pam Geller do it. Didn't any of them have relatives who had to flee Europe in the 30s?

Don't know. Took a quick look but didn't see anything. Gelertner was a victim of the Unabomber.

128 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:50:35am

re: #124 Kragarghazi

BENGHAZI!

Noun, verb.

129 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:50:48am

re: #123 Kragarghazi

CNN panel to Obama: Appoint Romney as ‘secretary of business’

Yeah, that will happen.

Uh didn't we have a Treasury Secretary pick with a personal tax controversy before?

130 Ian G.  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:51:40am

re: #84 Kragarghazi

The hell? What "civil disobedience" are they going to do? Sit-ins in front of city hall to prevent the gays from getting married? They're aware that nobody is forcing their churches to accept gay marriage, right?

131 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:51:47am
132 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:52:04am

re: #129 HappyBenghazi

Uh didn't we have a Treasury Secretary pick with a personal tax controversy before?

Which reminds me, I wonder if Romney refiled his tax returns yet.

133 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:53:07am

re: #83 Only The Lurker Knows

Charles, are you messing with the Dinger and or the Avatars? I am not seeing them even after shutting down and restarting my system. Using Windows 7 and Safari 5.1.7

No, I'm not doing anything in that area right now. Just checked it here with Win 7 and Safari - no problem.

134 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:53:53am
135 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:53:56am

re: #125 HappyBenghazi

Romney actually won voters with just a bachelors though. So I don't know what this "Oh my god college is brainwashing people" bullshit meme is.

When you start with the premise you're always right and work backwards, it makes perfect sense.

136 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:53:57am

re: #107 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

And, as inevitably as the bloody tides, the Breitbartlets are butthurt over Obama's speech. Apparently it's the worst thing any human being has ever said.

So I took that as an opportunity to read the speech. Not bad. Shame about all that graffiti inflicted on it by Ben Shapiro.

137 erik_t  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:54:02am

re: #123 Kragarghazi

CNN panel to Obama: Appoint Romney as ‘secretary of business’

Yeah, that will happen.

CNN isn't worth a fleck of spittle in retort.

What a shambling zombie joke of an organization.

138 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:54:04am

re: #130 Ian G.

The hell? What "civil disobedience" are they going to do? Sit-ins in front of city hall to prevent the gays from getting married? They're aware that nobody is forcing their churches to accept gay marriage, right?

To them, the idea that someone somewhere is allowed to do something legally they disagree with means they are being forced to accept it.

139 b_Snark  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:54:09am

Does anyone here have flash working on an android device?

140 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:54:16am

There are sore losers and there are sore winners.
Let's Squash This Ridiculous "Reach Out To Republicans" Nonsense!

141 Mattand  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:54:17am

re: #107 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

And, as inevitably as the bloody tides, the Breitbartlets are butthurt over Obama's speech. Apparently it's the worst thing any human being has ever said.

I tried to post this image over on the comments thread for that article. There's only 12 responses right now, so I suspect the moderator is swatting down comments by the hundreds.

142 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:54:49am

re: #8 Kragarghazi

Meanwhile, I wonder how the billionaires he failed are planning to deal with Karl Rove. Invitation to a private hunting reserve/island for the most dangerous game or trap door in a penthouse lair leading to the furnaces?

Being eaten by swine perhaps?

143 A Mom Anon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:54:58am

re: #112 HappyBenghazi

Oh I know,lol. We don't love our kids as much,don't value work as much,don't value FREEDOM!! as much,don't have good values,etc. We let TV raise our kids,we're weak,we're stupid,we're lacking in ethics and morals,we're forcing our agenda on them,they're losing freedoms because of us,need I go on?

144 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:55:27am

...And we've reached the Daily Kos segment of the afternoon.

145 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:55:58am

re: #142 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Being eaten by swine perhaps?

"RELEASE THE GENETICALLY MODIFIED CHIHUAHUAS! DROWN HIM IN A TIDE OF YIPPING DEATH!"

146 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:56:36am

I have another message for the deserters and fake patriots who want to leave the country because of Obama's re-election:

Don't let the door hit you on the way out. In fact, if any of you Lubbock wingnuts and Confederates want to leave via Mexico, I will drive you to the border (or within rifle shot of it at any rate). I will even pay for the gas.

147 DREd  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:58:19am

The best thing about Mitt's concession speech was realizing I'd never have to listen to him again.

148 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:58:46am

re: #140 Killgore Trout

Oh please, Repubs win and it's a mandate from the Flying Spaghetti Monster, yet the Demos win and all the media does is "well they're going to have to work with the Repubs by reaching across the aisle."

149 erik_t  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:59:05am

re: #144 Gus

...And we've reached the Daily Kos segment of the afternoon.

I thought the idea of the Outrageous Outrage Stirring was to pick something that might be considered Outrageously Outrageous.

Aforementioned Great Orange Satan link seems pretty reasonable to me.

150 Bubblehead II  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:59:28am

re: #133 Charles Johnson

No, I'm not doing anything in that area right now. Just checked it here with Win 7 and Safari - no problem.

Thanks. Got something weird going on here at my end. Now I can't see any pictures when I click on a link. Are the dinger, Avatars and picture links Java or Active X controlled?

*Edit. BTW, the dinger and other buttons work, I just am not seeing the icons.

151 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:59:42am

Here's some college students that haven't been brainwashed by the academic liberal establishment (along with the graduates of Liberty, Bob Jones, and Glen Beck University)

Ole Miss Students Are None Too Pleased About Our Black President

Local media reports that "hundreds of Ole Miss students exchanged racial epithets and violent, politicized chants" across campus. As many as 400 students are said to have participated. There are also reports that several students were arrested during the protest, though none have been officially charged. There were mixed reports about whether or not rocks were thrown as well.

152 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:59:58am

re: #149 erik_t

I thought the idea of the Outrageous Outrage Stirring was to pick something that might be considered Outrageously Outrageous.

Aforementioned Great Orange Satan link seems pretty reasonable to me.

Yeah, those damn "sore winners" will get you all the time.

Derp.

//

153 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:00:07pm
154 BongCrodny  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:00:19pm

re: #111 dragonath

I'd like to know who the 20% or so were in California who voted against the human trafficking proposition.

Apparently at least 7% of the wacko 27% have at least some small familiarity with sanity.

155 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:00:26pm

re: #136 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

So I took that as an opportunity to read the speech. Not bad. Shame about all that graffiti inflicted on it by Ben Shapiro.

It's not even a critique of the speech, it's just a protracted whinge about things he doesn't like about Obama. What a loser.

156 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:00:49pm

re: #118 Ian G.

I almost feel sorry for Erickson. He's one of the few right-wing pundits who is acting like a rational adult this morning.

Just remember, it is an act.

157 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:00:54pm

re: #87 HappyBenghazi

I really do love how Obama winning re-election brings out how nasty they are towards their fellow Americans. This idea that Obama supporters are a bunch of freeloaders and Romney ones the providers is so laughable. Considering that Romney won some of the poorest states in the union and Obama some of the most wealthy ones. Median income is six figures here in Loudoun and yet Obama the "socialist" won here by five percent which actually exceeded his state wide numbers. So yeah conservatives keep on telling us that only you work hard and us liberals don't know what work is.


Free dumb.

158 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:00:55pm

re: #151 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea

Here's some college students that haven't been brainwashed by the academic liberal establishment (along with the graduates of Liberty, Bob Jones, and Glen Beck University)

Ole Miss Students Are None Too Pleased About Our Black President

Damn. I just saw a documentary about Ole Miss, its football team, and James Meredith. It really looked like things had gotten better there.

159 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:00:56pm

re: #144 Gus

...And we've reached the Daily Kos segment of the afternoon.

There's also this: Top of the agenda: Filibuster Reform Now
I'm not a big fan of filibusters but this looks like another short sighted partisan attempt to advance an agenda without bipartisan support. They're going to want those filibusters in a few election cycles when they're in the minority. I don't expect much support for bipartisanship from Republicans but it would be nice and it would be good for the country. These dreams that we're going to vanquish and steamroll our political opponents is unhelpful, divisive and unpractical.

160 Ian G.  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:01:26pm

re: #151 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea

Stay classy, Mississippi.

161 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:02:14pm

Dick Morris manned up, stating boldly he was wrong, and it was all Chris Christie's fault that Obama won.

I derided the media polls for their assumption of what did, in fact happen: That blacks, Latinos, and young people would show up in the same numbers as they had in 2008. I was wrong. They did.

But the more proximate cause of my error was that I did not take full account of the impact of hurricane Sandy and of Governor Chris Christie’s bipartisan march through New Jersey arm in arm with President Obama. Not to mention Christe’s fawning promotion of Obama’s presidential leadership.

It made all the difference.

162 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:03:06pm

re: #157 jaunte

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Free dumb.

To paraphrase a line from "Any Given Sunday;"

I honestly believe that woman would eat her young.

163 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:03:41pm

re: #161 Kragarghazi

But he characterizes the Obama win as narrow when he projected that Romney would win by a similar "landslide" margin.

164 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:04:00pm

re: #157 jaunte

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Free dumb.

She's fucking stupid claiming this is about freedom versus free stuff. I don't want nor do I expect a free ride. But I do want a government that has a reasonable role in making things more efficient. As for freedom, Dana comes from the ideology that was opposing the gay marriage referendums and pot legalization. She has no room to claim she's on the side of freedom at all.

165 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:04:11pm

re: #159 Killgore Trout

There's also this: Top of the agenda: Filibuster Reform Now
I'm not a big fan of filibusters but this looks like another short sighted partisan attempt to advance an agenda without bipartisan support. They're going to want those filibusters in a few election cycles when they're in the minority. I don't expect much support for bipartisanship from Republicans but it would be nice and it would be good for the country. These dreams that we're going to vanquish and steamroll our political opponents is unhelpful, divisive and unpractical.

166 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:04:28pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

There are sore losers and there are sore winners.
Let's Squash This Ridiculous "Reach Out To Republicans" Nonsense!

Oh, bullshit. The "Democrats need to reach across the aisle" meme has been nonsense from the start. Republicans have made it clear that the only way they will work with Democrats if if they completely capitulate to their every demand. It's time to stop pretending that the Republicans are any sort of good-faith partners interested in "bipartisanship".

167 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:04:33pm

Wow.

Three sentences turned Chris Christie into fat, fawning, and gay.

Man, they really love pounding on the gay imagery.

168 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:05:17pm

re: #140 Killgore Trout

There are sore losers and there are sore winners.
Let's Squash This Ridiculous "Reach Out To Republicans" Nonsense!

Count me as a sore winner, then. That post is absolutely right.

Republicans lost. If they don't come to the table in good faith, fuck 'em.

Hear me? Fuck them.

I hope Obama takes them to the woodshed every chance he gets. Time for the Dem to be the bully for a while.

169 Digital Display  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:05:23pm

re: #158 HappyBenghazi

Damn. I just saw a documentary about Ole Miss, its football team, and James Meredith. It really looked like things had gotten better there.

I saw that also on ESPN. Surprised me. After that I think Ole Miss was the most raciest campus in America in the 50's and 60's.

170 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:06:01pm
171 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:06:16pm

re: #36 Varek Raith

Bill O’Reilly: 'The White Establishment Is Now The Minority'
Warning, FoxNation link.

ya' think?

Guess, what Bill, you always have been the minority. The rest of us are tired of your Tyranny. We have the same rights as you--get used to reality.

172 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:06:27pm

re: #123 Kragarghazi

CNN panel to Obama: Appoint Romney as ‘secretary of business’

Yeah, that will happen.

I presume that Obama will ask to see his tax returns before considering making that appointment...
//

173 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:06:43pm
174 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:07:01pm

Republicans have nothing to bring to the table except obstructionism.

175 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:07:47pm

re: #55 Shiplord Kirel

No, El Rushbo, you have not lost the country. It was never yours to start with. The Founders were men of the Enlightenment, while you represent the forces of privilege, prejudice, and superstition that they so opposed.
Statesmanship has defeated salesmanship, government by commercial sound-byte is no longer an option.

EXCELLENT!

176 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:08:43pm

re: #159 Killgore Trout

Calm down. It restores filibusters to the way it used to be, and stops it from being "Every bill actually needs a super-majority to pass".

177 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:08:43pm

re: #159 Killgore Trout

There's also this: Top of the agenda: Filibuster Reform Now
I'm not a big fan of filibusters but this looks like another short sighted partisan attempt to advance an agenda without bipartisan support. They're going to want those filibusters in a few election cycles when they're in the minority. I don't expect much support for bipartisanship from Republicans but it would be nice and it would be good for the country. These dreams that we're going to vanquish and steamroll our political opponents is unhelpful, divisive and unpractical.

It needs to be reformed. The Senate was not expected to be forced to run as a supermajority when handling legislation.

178 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:09:13pm

I keep getting "spinning wheel of death" even though the page loads.

179 Mattand  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:09:37pm

re: #159 Killgore Trout

There's also this: Top of the agenda: Filibuster Reform Now
I'm not a big fan of filibusters but this looks like another short sighted partisan attempt to advance an agenda without bipartisan support. They're going to want those filibusters in a few election cycles when they're in the minority. I don't expect much support for bipartisanship from Republicans but it would be nice and it would be good for the country. These dreams that we're going to vanquish and steamroll our political opponents is unhelpful, divisive and unpractical.

For somebody who beats the "All politicians are all the same" drum constantly, why wouldn't you want filibuster reform? The Democrats could use it just as maliciously as the GOP has, given the right circumstances.

180 lostlakehiker  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:09:42pm

re: #117 Ian G.

Obviously, anyone talking like a fascist is creepy, but I've always found it extra creepy when Jews like Gelertner, or David Horowitz, or Pam Geller do it. Didn't any of them have relatives who had to flee Europe in the 30s?

Gelertner got his face blasted and several fingers blown off by a leftist terrorist's mail bomb. Why should he still love the Left? The experience would sour anybody on that wing of the political spectrum.

181 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:10:42pm

re: #180 lostlakehiker

Gelertner got his face blasted and several fingers blown off by a leftist terrorist's mail bomb. Why should he still love the Left? The experience would sour anybody on that wing of the political spectrum.

Ted Kaczynski is a leftist?

182 Mattand  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:10:58pm

re: #177 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

It needs to be reformed. The Senate was not expected to be forced to run as a supermajority when handling legislation.

This.

183 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:11:02pm

re: #151 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea

Here's some college students that haven't been brainwashed by the academic liberal establishment (along with the graduates of Liberty, Bob Jones, and Glen Beck University)

Ole Miss Students Are None Too Pleased About Our Black President

Yikes! I was joking when I predicted that white people would riot if Romney lost, but here it is.

184 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:11:21pm

re: #181 Gus

Ted Kaczynski is a leftist?

Seriously. I'm pretty sure he was just batshit crazy.

185 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:11:21pm

re: #159 Killgore Trout

There's also this: Top of the agenda: Filibuster Reform Now
I'm not a big fan of filibusters but this looks like another short sighted partisan attempt to advance an agenda without bipartisan support. They're going to want those filibusters in a few election cycles when they're in the minority. I don't expect much support for bipartisanship from Republicans but it would be nice and it would be good for the country. These dreams that we're going to vanquish and steamroll our political opponents is unhelpful, divisive and unpractical.

They're not getting rid of the filibuster, they're just making it so that you have to, you know, filibuster if you want to filibuster.

What a novel concept.

186 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:11:29pm

Derp.

187 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:11:33pm

re: #123 Kragar

CNN panel to Obama: Appoint Romney as ‘secretary of business’

Yeah, that will happen.

Secretary of Bullshit.

188 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:11:58pm

re: #180 lostlakehiker

Gelertner got his face blasted and several fingers blown off by a leftist terrorist's mail bomb. Why should he still love the Left? The experience would sour anybody on that wing of the political spectrum.

Only if they're an idiot who blames a non-existent 'wing' for the actions of an individual.

And the question isn't "Why shouldn't he love the left?" He can not love the left all day long. It's calling them fascists that's fucking stupid-- not to mention an insult to all the 'leftists' that died fighting fascism.

189 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:12:52pm
190 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:13:52pm

re: #159 Killgore Trout

There's also this: Top of the agenda: Filibuster Reform Now
I'm not a big fan of filibusters but this looks like another short sighted partisan attempt to advance an agenda without bipartisan support. They're going to want those filibusters in a few election cycles when they're in the minority. I don't expect much support for bipartisanship from Republicans but it would be nice and it would be good for the country. These dreams that we're going to vanquish and steamroll our political opponents is unhelpful, divisive and unpractical.

And you believe that, had the GOP won the Senate by even one seat last night, they'd leave the filibuster be and try to approach Dems in the spirit of "bipartisanship"?

191 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:14:39pm

re: #84 Kragar

Family Research Council Licks its Wounds after Election Pummeling

Challenge accepted.

Garlow, who prior to the election warned that an Obama second term will make America “unrecognizable” and “forever gone,” said that Christians should now expect immense persecution from the government, and Meadows called for Christians to emulate Gideon’s army and remember that “our God will not be mocked.”

So they are admitting they are not of the Abrahamic faiths, there there are many gods and theirs is better?

192 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:14:43pm

Beck's Post-Election Recommendations: Buy Farmland and Guns!

Today, Glenn Beck sought to make sense of the results of last night's election, beginning with a lengthy, tear-filled monologue about George Washington before getting down a business by rolling out hints about his plans to create an entire Blaze "ecosystem" that will be able to operate independently of the government and existing media structure because everything is about to go downhill ... so people need to start buying up farmland, pull their kids out of the public schools, and loading up on guns:

193 erik_t  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:14:54pm

re: #190 Targetpractice

And you believe that, had the GOP won the Senate by even one seat last night, they'd leave the filibuster be and try to approach Dems in the spirit of "bipartisanship"?

Well, you see, America is a center-right nation, so the Democrats would need to approach the GOP in both scenarios.

I wish actual breathing people didn't actually believe this.

194 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:15:17pm

re: #180 lostlakehiker

Gelertner got his face blasted and several fingers blown off by a leftist terrorist's mail bomb. Why should he still love the Left? The experience would sour anybody on that wing of the political spectrum.

What exactly makes Ted Kaczynski a "leftist terrorist?" He has a lot more in common with right wing terrorists - a survivalist who wanted to return to a pre-technological civilization. That's nothing like any "leftist" ideology I've ever heard of.

195 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:15:19pm
196 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:15:32pm

re: #191 Gretchen G.Tiger

So they are admitting they are not of the Abrahamic faiths, there there are many gods and theirs is better?

Crom sits in his mountain and laughs at their invisible sky man.

197 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:15:32pm

re: #192 Kragar

So basically Glenn Beck is becoming an Amway salesman, but with guns and seeds instead of cleaning products.

198 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:16:12pm

re: #197 Obdicut

So basically Glenn Beck is becoming an Amway salesman, but with guns and seeds instead of cleaning products.

And gold! Don't forget to buy gold!

199 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:16:19pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

What exactly makes Ted Kaczynski a "leftist terrorist?" He has a lot more in common with right wing terrorists - a survivalist who wanted to return to a pre-technological civilization. That's nothing like any "leftist" ideology I've ever heard of.

Sounds a lot like Glenn Beck.

200 lawhawk  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:16:55pm

re: #196 Kragar

Crom, I have never prayed to you before. I have no tongue for it. No one, not even you will remember if we were good men or bad, why we fought, or why we died. No, all that matters is that two stood against many, that's what's important. Valor pleases you, Crom, so grant me one request, grant me REVENGE! And if you do not listen, then the hell with you!"

201 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:16:55pm

re: #192 Kragar

Beck's Post-Election Recommendations: Buy Farmland and Guns!

Hey wingnuts:

You do realize that even if you own a piece of land, you can't start your own country on it.

202 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:17:35pm

re: #169 Digital Display

I saw that also on ESPN. Surprised me. After that I think Ole Miss was the most raciest campus in America in the 50's and 60's.

Yeah. Pretty bad. When that one woman talked about the slurs she got called when she sat down to eat lunch with Meredith. I never knew my Dad's dad but the one thing that has always struck me is a story about him telling my Dad never to use a certain racial slur ever again after he overheard my Dad calling my uncle that. Looking like my cousin is going to name her first son after him though she hasn't come out and said it yet.

203 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:17:58pm
204 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:18:44pm

re: #201 Vicious Babushka

Hey wingnuts:

You do realize that even if you own a piece of land, you can't start your own country on it.

"Welcome to the Republic of Dave."

205 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:19:24pm

re: #201 Vicious Babushka

They have no clue, or better yet, they do not want to have a clue.

206 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:19:48pm

re: #204 Kragar

"Welcome to the Republic of Dave."

"Your Republic is forfeit, prepare to be reclaimed by the wasteland!"

207 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:20:01pm

Hoorah for Wikipedia:

Industrial Society and Its Future begins with Kaczynski's assertion that "the Industrial Revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race." The first sections of the text are devoted to discussion of the psychology of various groups—primarily leftists (a group he defines, in part as "hat[ing] science and rationality(paragraph 18 of his manuscript)")—and of the psychological consequences for individual life within the "industrial-technological system", which has robbed contemporary humans of their autonomy, diminished their rapport with nature, and forced them "to behave in ways that are increasingly remote from the natural pattern of human behavior." The later sections speculate about the future evolution of this system, arguing that it will inevitably lead to the end of human freedom, call for a "revolution against technology", and attempt to indicate how that might be accomplished.

...

He concludes by noting that his manifesto has "portrayed leftism in its modern form as a phenomenon peculiar to our time and as a symptom of the disruption of the power process" but that he is "not in a position to assert confidently that no such movements have existed prior to modern leftism" and says that "[t]his is a significant question to which historians ought to give their attention.

There's a reason Anders Breivik plagiarized from Kaczynski.

208 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:21:05pm

This article is hilarious. It goes into the Romney campaign's incredibly ignorant reliance on their super-duper super-secret PROJECT ORCA!!!!!

Some Romney aides were surprised, too, especially since they had put an enormous amount of effort into tracking the hour-by-hour whims of the electorate. In recent weeks the campaign came up with a super-secret, super-duper vote-monitoring system that was dubbed Project Orca. ... Early in the evening, one aide said that, as of 4 p.m., Orca still projected a Romney victory of somewhere between 290 and 300 electoral votes. Obviously that didn't happen. Later, another aide said Orca had pretty much crashed in the heat of the action. 'Somebody said Orca is lying on the beach with a harpoon in it,' said the aide.

Wow.....who would have thought a ground game focused on actual human-to-human contact would be superior to one that that focuses on which households need a millionth robo-call to get them to vote for you?

209 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:21:12pm

re: #204 Kragar

/Fallout

Awesome.

210 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:21:51pm

I gotta say one more thing about Romney's speech last night. When he said "Ann would have made a great First Lady," I was nauseated.

Guess what, Mitt. She went a long way to lose the race for you. America rejected her.

I'm even happier to keep Michelle Obama than I am to keep Barack.

211 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:22:04pm

The "I'll pray for you" is always condenscending, IMHO.

I was taught that they ONLY thing we can pray for is that "G-d's will be done." Ok,perhaps we can pray for the strength to do or accept G-d's will. But praying isn't a Santa's wish list or a drive-up "May I take your order" kinda thing.

213 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:22:36pm
214 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:22:42pm

OT: I just went outside.

The snow from this morning has turned from somewhat friendly, happy snow into malicious, 'Imma fuck everything up even worse than it already is' snow. The temperature has dropped sharply. It's not just chilly any more. Now it's fucking cold out there. Full-on, Winter cold.

I feel so bad for the people who are still without power and heat today. And I fear there will be a lot more of them tonight. Not funny, Mother Nature.

215 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:22:45pm

re: #210 wrenchwench

I gotta say one more thing about Romney's speech last night. When he said "Ann would have made a great First Lady," I was nauseated.

Guess what, Mitt. She went a long way to lose the race for you. America rejected her.

I'm even happier to keep Michelle Obama than I am to keep Barack.

Yeah I felt a little ill hearing about Ann's compassion. I think I liked Ann less than I did Mitt.

216 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:23:00pm

re: #197 Obdicut

So basically Glenn Beck is becoming an Amway salesman, but with guns and seeds instead of cleaning products.

and Gold! please don't forget the Gold!

217 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:23:25pm

re: #194 Charles Johnson

What exactly makes Ted Kaczynski a "leftist terrorist?" He has a lot more in common with right wing terrorists - a survivalist who wanted to return to a pre-technological civilization. That's nothing like any "leftist" ideology I've ever heard of.

Ted Kaczynski was a follower of Jacques Ellul who was a Christian Anarchist.

Kaczynski has babbled about leftism:

Political and social views

In his opening and closing sections, Kaczynski addresses Leftism as a movement and analyzes the psychology of leftists, arguing that they are "True Believers in Eric Hoffer's sense" who participate in a powerful social movement to compensate for their lack of personal power. He further claims that leftism as a movement is led by a particular minority of leftists whom he calls "oversocialized":

The moral code of our society is so demanding that no one can think, feel and act in a completely moral way. [...] Some people are so highly socialized that the attempt to think, feel and act morally imposes a severe burden on them. In order to avoid feelings of guilt, they continually have to deceive themselves about their own motives and find moral explanations for feelings and actions that in reality have a non-moral origin. We use the term "oversocialized" to describe such people.

He criticizes leftists as being "oversocialized." This quote of his doesn't seem "leftist" by any means:

"science marches on blindly, without regard to the real welfare of the human race or to any other standard, obedient only to the psychological needs of the scientists and of the government officials and corporation executives who provide the funds for research."

218 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:24:18pm

re: #214 makeitstopghazi

Mother Nature can be a real mother ...

219 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:24:59pm

re: #195 Lidane

Oh noes. Obama making the GOP put their votes where their platform is!
///

220 William of Orange  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:25:22pm

In my best Stimpy imression:

JOOOOOOYYY!!!

JOOOOOOOOOOOOYYY!!

221 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:25:33pm

re: #214 makeitstopghazi

I feel so bad for the people who are still without power and heat today. And I fear there will be a lot more of them tonight. Not funny, Mother Nature.

If I can, I'm going to get out to Redhook tomorrow for some volunteering. There might be some more deaths from this storm. Stay warm.

222 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:25:45pm

re: #218 PhillyPretzel

Mother Nature can be a real mother ...

Now, Now, she is listening you know!

Be nice to MOTHER.

223 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:25:51pm

re: #216 Gretchen G.Tiger

and Gold! please don't forget the Gold!

Why do you think I have these cheek retractors and a Gerber multi-tool?

224 calochortus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:25:56pm

re: #52 erik_t

I hadn't watched it; I just did so on Youtube. It's very, very clearly something they planned for.

Yes, Whatshername actually remarked as she was walking back that she had reached the point where she lost audio contact with the people on the air during their run-through earlier.

225 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:26:10pm

re: #215 HappyBenghazi

Yeah I felt a little ill hearing about Ann's compassion. I think I liked Ann less than I did Mitt.

"You people."

Not to mention how well she "raised" her sons who wanted to "take a swing at the President."

226 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:26:20pm

re: #213 Lidane

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Oh man, 2016 is gonna be Hillary vs. Frothy Mixture, isn't it? This is gonna be fun. (Grabs popcorn)

227 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:26:56pm

re: #226 JamesWI

Oh man, 2016 is gonna be Hillary vs. Frothy Mixture, isn't it? This is gonna be fun. (Grabs popcorn)

Only in America. We can't wait for the next election --this one was so much fun!

228 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:26:58pm

re: #225 Ghost of Tom Joad

"You people."

Not to mention how well she "raised" her sons who wanted to "take a swing at the President."

"Serving as a missionary was just like serving in the military."

229 William of Orange  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:27:14pm

re: #57 Vicious Babushka

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Loofah!!!!

230 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:27:29pm

So, what happens with Christie now. There seems to be a vocal component within his party and a large number of conservatives who blame him for Obama winning re-election. Now on the plus side for him, I think he will definitely win re-election as governor but man he's going to be like Huntsman this year if the Obama hatred that dominates Republican activists' minds if he runs in 2016. I'm still not a fan of his but I was impressed with his actions through the hurricane and its aftermath.

231 calochortus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:27:55pm

re: #215 HappyBenghazi

Yeah I felt a little ill hearing about Ann's compassion. I think I liked Ann less than I did Mitt.

When he said that, I remarked to my husband that I had liked Ann less and less as we got to know her better. I appreciate that Mitt loves her deeply and that's just great, but First Lady? She'd be awful.

232 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:28:39pm

re: #228 Kragar

If it wasn't for her battle with MS I'd bet real money the campaign advisers would have locked her up in a deep dungeon for the entire election.

233 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:28:51pm

re: #225 Ghost of Tom Joad

"You people."

Not to mention how well she "raised" her sons who wanted to "take a swing at the President."

Really and I also resented her attempts to get us to feel sorry for Mitt. I never got that vibe from Michelle at all. I don't think Ann Romney is a bad person at heart but she just doesn't understand the American people and came across very condescending at times.

234 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:29:01pm

re: #231 calochortus

When he said that, I remarked to my husband that I had liked Ann less and less as we got to know her better. I appreciate that Mitt loves her deeply and that's just great, but First Lady? She'd be awful.

Yes, I have a feeling she is a good wife & mother, and probably a good person. She just doesn't have the ability to be a public figure.

235 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:29:14pm

The Freepers are being their usual calm, rational selves:

Exit polls: Obama's winning coalition of women and nonwhites

I was in Boston during the first day of the 2004 convention. I remember seeing a white female with a button which read “Women and minorities unite” on her clothing. And she likely voted for John Kerry. Twisted people won last night.
---

the number of men voting in elections has been declining for years.

According to CNN, there have been 12 consecutive elections since 1964 where women outnumbered men voters.

Republican women can’t do this alone. Why aren’t the men voting?
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Time to turn back the clock when it comes to voting rights.

Yes, I’m perfectly serious.
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The establishment will look at the exit polls and conclude that the next republican nominee should be pro-choice, pro-amnesty to cut into this Dem majority. Things will likely get much worse before they get better.
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The numbers that Bill Bennett had on his show this morning were that Obama got 74% of the Asian vote and 69% of the Hispanic vote. That is an enormous problem for the GOP in the future. Demographics is destiny...
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Women, blacks and foreigners will line their death nest with the remnants of a great civilization. They can have it. Better dead than red.
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The problem isn’t women so much as the problem is single women, who want the government to be there to take care of them instead of the husband they don’t have. I think Romney actually won married women but lost single women by a huge margin.
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America is over

it was fun while it lasted
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When Romney stated that there was no sense in working to get the vote of the 47% he was exactly right.

Blacks , Hispanics, entitlement seekers and non-taxpayers were the 47% and they carried Obama. White women put him over the top. Not married White women mind you, but Lesbians, feminists, whores who wanted their birth control and abortions paid for, Young girls who don’t know any better. Married women should know better, and I believe they do.

It goes on and on.

236 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:29:52pm

Seeing a lot of talk now about movement to impeach Obama over Benghazi. If the GOP actually spends more than an hour discussing this, the mid term elections will result in Obama having House and Senate. I think independent's have no patience or appetite for anything other than absolute focus on the fiscal cliff and the economy. I believe they will be punished severely for any attempt to divert resources and attention away from those ends.

237 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:30:16pm

re: #177 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

It needs to be reformed. The Senate was not expected to be forced to run as a supermajority when handling legislation.

I agree but I don't think it's going to happen. Dem leadership, despite the noise to appease the base, is probably going to want to leave it the way it is. I don't expect a serious push for filibusterer reform, campaign finance reform or anything else that can be exploited by either side. I think too many people in power have an interest in maintaining the broken system.

238 aagcobb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:30:42pm

re: #130 Ian G.

The hell? What "civil disobedience" are they going to do? Sit-ins in front of city hall to prevent the gays from getting married? They're aware that nobody is forcing their churches to accept gay marriage, right?

No, they think that is right around the corner.

239 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:30:42pm

re: #232 Ghost of Tom Joad

If it wasn't for her battle with MS I'd bet real money the campaign advisers would have locked her up in a deep dungeon for the entire election.

I would love to see her get some coaching and become a spokesperson for those with MS. I'd like to see her use her horses to further Horse Therapy for those with disabilities --like pushing for Obamacare to cover such therapies. (if it already doesn't--who knows what is and isn't in that a bill--I've only read the first few pages).

She could be a real champion in that area.

240 William of Orange  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:31:32pm

Just heard the 70.000 plus Celtic crowd sing "Just can't get enough" by Depeche Mode WHICH WAS PRETTY AWESOME!! They are one up against FC Barcelona.

Could have been an Obama campaign song!

241 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:31:53pm

Boehner is doing a TV bit live. Don't know where.

242 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:32:16pm

re: #238 aagcobb

No, they think that is right around the corner.

NO, there are legions of the LGBT community waiting in the wings for the election results. They'll be storming schools with their evil mind rays to "convert" your innocent children.

*spit*

243 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:32:25pm

re: #230 HappyBenghazi

So, what happens with Christie now. There seems to be a vocal component within his party and a large number of conservatives who blame him for Obama winning re-election. Now on the plus side for him, I think he will definitely win re-election as governor but man he's going to be like Huntsman this year if the Obama hatred that dominates Republican activists' minds if he runs in 2016. I'm still not a fan of his but I was impressed with his actions through the hurricane and its aftermath.

I have to say most of 2016's list of candidates depends on what happens for the next 4 years. If things are bad in 2015, look for a hardcore conservative list of primary candidates like we saw this year. A typical fire-breathing moron who will be against the 20-21st centuries.

If things are good, then it will have to be a moderate-type candidate, maybe even a Republican with some Obama-coattails like Christie.

244 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:32:40pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

I agree but I don't think it's going to happen. Dem leadership, despite the noise to appease the base, is probably going to want to leave it the way it is. I don't expect a serious push for filibusterer reform, campaign finance reform or anything else that can be exploited by either side. I think too many people in power have an interest in maintaining the broken system.

You don't seem to understand. The filibuster rules can be changed by a simple majority-- not open itself to a filibuster. If the GOP took the senate, they could simply make the change on their own regardless of what the Democrats do now.

Does this help you understand?

245 Ian G.  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:32:40pm

re: #180 lostlakehiker

Gelertner's unhinged rant was against European technocrats and people with college educations here, exactly the same boogeymen that Rick Santorum rants against again and again. The Unabomber is completely unrelated to the enemies of Gelertner's fever dreams.

And a big "fuck you" to the various imbeciles at National Review who keep suggesting that anyone voting Obama must have been brainwashed in college. I learned how much GOP economic policy is voodoo in business school, not some "sociology of African tribes" class with some hippie professor.

246 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:33:14pm

re: #183 Shiplord Kirel

Yikes! I was joking when I predicted that white people would riot if Romney lost, but here it is.

I wasn't.
The more they said black people were going to riot, the more convinced I became that that's what they wanted to do if Romney lost.
The Great Projectors.

247 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:33:27pm

re: #245 Ian G.

Actually, the unabomber hated technocrats too.

248 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:34:07pm

Ted Kaczynski said things about "leftists" therefore it's easy to understand why Gelertner would be worried about President Obama, a Democrat, technocrat, and a strong proponent of science. Makes sense.

No.

249 GeneJockey  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:34:16pm

re: #230 HappyBenghazi

So, what happens with Christie now. There seems to be a vocal component within his party and a large number of conservatives who blame him for Obama winning re-election. Now on the plus side for him, I think he will definitely win re-election as governor but man he's going to be like Huntsman this year if the Obama hatred that dominates Republican activists' minds if he runs in 2016. I'm still not a fan of his but I was impressed with his actions through the hurricane and its aftermath.

I dunno, but my 'Severely Liberal' sister in Jersey now speaks favorably of him. Not that she'd vote for him.

250 ShaunP  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:34:43pm

re: #243 Ghost of Tom Joad

I have to say most of 2016's list of candidates depends on what happens for the next 4 years. If things are bad in 2015, look for a hardcore conservative list of primary candidates like we saw this year. A typical fire-breathing moron who will be against the 20-21st centuries.

If things are good, then it will have to be a moderate-type candidate, maybe even a Republican with some Obama-coattails like Christie.

I hope huntsman makes another run in 2016. I would vote for him...

251 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:34:46pm

re: #234 Gretchen G.Tiger

She, as most rich people are, is just completely out of touch with the realities (often harsh) that face 90% or so of the country on a daily basis (her health issues obviously being the outlier, even though it's a lot easier when you don't have to worry about being bankrupted by exorbitant medical bills).

252 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:34:47pm

re: #208 JamesWI

This article is hilarious. It goes into the Romney campaign's incredibly ignorant reliance on their super-duper super-secret PROJECT ORCA!!!!!

Wow.....who would have thought a ground game focused on actual human-to-human contact would be superior to one that that focuses on which households need a millionth robo-call to get them to vote for you?

Why do political campaigns, or in fact anybody, believe that robocalls (or even calls from live telemarketers) are an effective method of promoting a candidate/cause/product? Didn't they learn anything from the DNC list?

253 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:34:58pm

re: #235 Lidane

Be of good cheer. If science teaches us anything, it teaches us to accept our failures, as well as our successes, with quiet dignity and grace....

Son of a bitch! Bastard! I'll get you for this! What did you do to me? What did you do to me? I don't want to live. I do not want to live.

254 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:35:20pm

re: #249 GeneJockey

I dunno, but my 'Severely Liberal' sister in Jersey now speaks favorably of him. Not that she'd vote for him.

I wouldn't vote for him. But he's now in the special category of "People in the GOP who actually want government to work". It's a very small category.

255 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:36:01pm

re: #247 Obdicut

Actually, the unabomber hated technocrats too.

Wait! Now I remember! Ted "believes" in climate change therefore he's a leftist.

Image: heartland-ted-kaczynski.jpg

256 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:36:03pm

re: #236 Petero1818

Seeing a lot of talk now about movement to impeach Obama over Benghazi. If the GOP actually spends more than an hour discussing this, the mid term elections will result in Obama having House and Senate. I think independent's have no patience or appetite for anything other than absolute focus on the fiscal cliff and the economy. I believe they will be punished severely for any attempt to divert resources and attention away from those ends.

I think it's doubtful they'll go for impeachment, they don't have the power. This fiscal cliff should be the primary concern of everybody in government. This is why I'm opposed to the talk abandoning bipartisan efforts. We aren't going to avoid the cliff without Republican cooperation. The leadership is hopefully humbled by their recent loss and might be willing to negotiate. To continue partisan frothing, scream "Fuck the wingnuts!" and drive ourselves over the cliff is just plain stupid and destructive.

257 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:36:17pm

Oh good lord, Boehner is so full of shit. Hey dipshit, if this election showed that people wanted the policies Romney is calling for.....ROMNEY WOULD HAVE WON.

258 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:36:29pm

Developing: the alpha male lost last night.

259 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:36:49pm

re: #249 GeneJockey

I dunno, but my 'Severely Liberal' sister in Jersey now speaks favorably of him. Not that she'd vote for him.

It's funny how things happen. David McCullough, the great historian was on Sixty Minutes on Sunday night talking about history and stuff. He talks about how he went to bed before the 1948 election was called and he asked his Dad who won and his Dad said with disappointment Truman. But McCullough talked about how like 30 years later, he was talking with his Dad and his Dad was doing the usual "The country's going to hell" routine and pined for "Old Harry." Really a great interview. McCullough's an awesome historian.

260 Petero1818  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:37:08pm

re: #250 ShaunP

I hope huntsman makes another run in 2016. I would vote for him...

He may run as a Democrat. He has 0 chance of winning the GOP nod. Another Mormon with shitty conservative credentials out in the next cycle. I think he has a chance in 2020. 2016 will see a bat shit crazy slate that will take an electoral defeat unlike anything the GOP has ever witnessed.

261 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:37:12pm

Actually we were getting robocalls all day yesterday, and a call from a GOP telemarketer about 30 minutes before the polls closed.

262 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:38:40pm

re: #246 OhNoBenghazi!

I wasn't.
The more they said black people were going to riot, the more convinced I became that that's what they wanted to do if Romney lost.
The Great Projectors.

You were right. I just couldn't see them waddling into the streets and risking their property rights to loot CVS stores, attack police with their walkers, and torch Volvos and Smartcars. I reckoned without their brain-dead youth wing, despite having seen it in action so often at Texas Tech.

263 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:38:53pm

re: #254 Obdicut

I wouldn't vote for him. But he's now in the special category of "People in the GOP who actually want government to work". It's a very small category.

GOP needs more people like that. People which we can philosophically disagree with but work together. That mindset is something the GOP has been missing since they started to embrace the Tea Party. Republicans like Nixon, Ford, the Bushes, and even Reagan realized that there was a place for government. They preferred it be low but they saw it had a place.

264 Ghost of Tom Joad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:39:10pm

re: #253 Kragar

Man, referencing some of my favorites today.

265 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:40:32pm

re: #256 Killgore Trout

What you mean by "We aren't going to avoid the cliff without Republican cooperation." is, "If they want, the GOP can force a government shutdown. Again. Which is how we wound up in this mess in the first place."

Yes, the GOP needs to become a real political party again and compromise. Hopefully, the wignnuts like Cantor will realize that they're going to get blamed-- rightly so-- if they pull that stunt again, and will compromise. No bets, though, they were fucking crazy enough to do it last time, they might do it again.

So let's hope that the leadership is willing to negotiate, because if not, then we're fucked. Again.

266 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:41:32pm

More unhinged gibberish. What right wing sexism?

What the Right Doesn’t Get About Elections (Google Cache link)

267 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:42:28pm

re: #256 Killgore Trout

I think it's doubtful they'll go for impeachment, they don't have the power. This fiscal cliff should be the primary concern of everybody in government. This is why I'm opposed to the talk abandoning bipartisan efforts. We aren't going to avoid the cliff without Republican cooperation. The leadership is hopefully humbled by their recent loss and might be willing to negotiate. To continue partisan frothing, scream "Fuck the wingnuts!" and drive ourselves over the cliff is just plain stupid and destructive.

Idiots like Issa don't care whether they have 'the power' to do something.

They want to grandstand for their base, and if they give Obama a black eye in the process they're even happier.

And in your concern you fail to note that Republicans abandoned bipartisan efforts sometime in the mid-90s.

I repeat. Fuck 'em.

268 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:43:36pm

re: #257 JamesWI

Oh good lord, Boehner is so full of shit. Hey dipshit, if this election showed that people wanted the policies Romney is calling for.....ROMNEY WOULD HAVE WON.

I've been hearing "people oppose big government" from conservative pundits over the past twelve hours. Thing is they're totally ignoring that this also rejects GOP dogma on social issues like gay marriage, abortion, marijuana, etc. What I hope Obama does after seeing how the marijuana referendums went is to take a more lax approach on pot because I think the people have shown that they want this.

269 erik_t  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:43:46pm

re: #235 Lidane

The Freepers are being their usual calm, rational selves:

Exit polls: Obama's winning coalition of women and nonwhites

It goes on and on.

America over? Black President = very yes? That's not a very good prize!

270 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:44:09pm

re: #256 Killgore Trout

We aren't going to avoid the cliff without Republican cooperation. The leadership is hopefully humbled by their recent loss and might be willing to negotiate.

What part of the past four years makes you think anything of the sort is even remotely likely?

271 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:44:18pm

re: #266 Lidane

More unhinged gibberish. What right wing sexism?

What the Right Doesn’t Get About Elections (Google Cache link)

Also, an invigorating splash of racism.

Black people want society to accept their illegitimate children, therefore they support Democrats.

272 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:45:02pm

re: #188 Obdicut

Only if they're an idiot who blames a non-existent 'wing' for the actions of an individual.

And the question isn't "Why shouldn't he love the left?" He can not love the left all day long. It's calling them fascists that's fucking stupid-- not to mention an insult to all the 'leftists' that died fighting fascism.

I always found amusing how people were who fought on the Republican side (There's irony for you.) in the Spanish Civil War were deemed 'premature anti-Fascists' during the McCarthy years. Meaning 'Commie! Commie! Commie!'

273 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:45:25pm

re: #271 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea

Also, an invigorating splash of racism.

I didn't realize Honey Boo Boo was black. But hey conservatives keep on telling yourselves that only black people have kids out of wedlock.

274 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:46:25pm

Thing is, I always had the impression that Boner wanted to compromise.
He talks that stuff because he doesn't want to go through a primary, and he didn't want Cantor to twist that shiv any deeper into his kidney.

275 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:47:39pm

re: #272 Romantic Heretic

I always found amusing how people were who fought on the Republican side (There's irony for you.) in the Spanish Civil War were deemed 'premature anti-Fascists' during the McCarthy years. Meaning 'Commie! Commie! Commie!'

I'm equally amused by the right calling the left fascists now when the ideological ancestors of those same right wingers were sympathetic to Mussolini and Franco. And hell in extreme cases like Lindburgh and Ford, sympathetic to Hitler. Fascism and Nazism aren't left wing ideologies. I know the right wants to act like every bad thing that happens is of the left but it's just not true. It's as dishonest as those on the left who act like the left is incapable of evil.

276 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:47:56pm

re: #192 Kragar

Beck's Post-Election Recommendations: Buy Farmland and Guns!

Brilliant. Don't forget to paint a bullseye on your barn.

So that it will easy for the UN fighter-bombers when they roll in to scatter bomblets and napalm over your property. ///

277 CarleeCork  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:48:00pm

re: #267 makeitstopghazi

Idiots like Issa don't care whether they have 'the power' to do something.

They want to grandstand for their base, and if they give Obama a black eye in the process they're even happier.

And in your concern you fail to note that Republicans abandoned bipartisan efforts sometime in the mid-90s.

I repeat. Fuck 'em.

Obama doesn't have to worry about reelection, he's gonna be a lot tougher this time around.

278 William of Orange  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:48:24pm

Although I'm quite happy about the outcome of the elections, I'm also a bit sad that Gabrielle Giffords' seat appears to be lost to a republican...

279 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 12:48:42pm

re: #274 OhNoBenghazi!

Thing is, I always had the impression that Boner wanted to compromise.
He talks that stuff because he doesn't want to go through a primary, and he didn't want Cantor to twist that shiv any deeper into his kidney.

I think Boehner is more reasonable than Cantor. Boehner's probably petrified of a Cantor led coup against him.

280 aagcobb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:06:46pm

re: #270 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

What part of the past four years makes you think anything of the sort is even remotely likely?

Taxes on the rich will go up if they don't make a deal. Keeping low tax rates for the 1% is the GOP's #1 priority.

281 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:31:31pm

re: #208 JamesWI

This article is hilarious. It goes into the Romney campaign's incredibly ignorant reliance on their super-duper super-secret PROJECT ORCA!!!!!

Wow.....who would have thought a ground game focused on actual human-to-human contact would be superior to one that that focuses on which households need a millionth robo-call to get them to vote for you?

As I mentioned last night, although Mass was out of reach for Romney (we knew him too well), the Senate was still in play. The Warren people were out all over the place (I was one), but I saw almost no ground game for Brown at all.

282 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 1:48:01pm

re: #1 Charles Johnson

I know everybody fell all over themselves to pronounce Romney's concession speech "graceful," but that bit about praying for the President REALLY hit me the wrong way.

It sounds exactly like the parting shot used by fundamentalists when they can't win an argument about creationism -- "you're a godless monster in league with Satan, but I'll pray for you."

You know what? Fuck Mitt Romney's prayers, and fuck his condescending "I'll pray for the President and this country" line. After the dishonest race-baiting election campaign he ran, he needs to be praying for HIMSELF.

You read it correctly. Back in the day, before the Internet had all these bells and whistles, I used to be a regular reader of alt.atheism, a newsgroup inundated with rabid fundamentalists, 99.9999999% Christian variety. Suffice to say "I'll pray for you" was a common phrase they'd use to end their version of a debate. It's sort of like PC-talk for fundamentalists.

283 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:05:52pm

re: #180 lostlakehiker

Gelertner got his face blasted and several fingers blown off by a leftist terrorist's mail bomb. Why should he still love the Left? The experience would sour anybody on that wing of the political spectrum.

He need not love "the left," but a rational person would eventually surmise that an overwhelming majority of "the left" are not advocates of such horrible violence.

284 jytdog  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:53:24pm

so happy obama won! he didn't thank bill clinton. shoulda.


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