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Wingnuts in Despair: Glenn Beck, Robert Stacy McCain

All is bleak. Hope is gone. Buy guns. We’re doomed.
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Glenn Beck is despondent over the reelection of Barack Obama, and he’s talking apocalypse. I know, he always talks apocalypse, but this time he’s headin’ out to the farm with a good supply of ammo.

Today, Glenn Beck sought to make sense of the results of last night’s election, beginning with a lengthy, tear-filled monologue about George Washington before getting down to business by rolling out hints about his plans to create an entire Blaze “ecosystem” that will be able to operate independently of the government and existing media structure because everything is about to go downhill … so people need to start buying up farmland, pull their kids out of the public schools, and load up on guns.

My other favorite wingnut reaction today is from creepy right wing neo-Confederate Robert Stacy McCain, who is thinking dark thoughts, utterly convinced that America is doomed beyond all hope of redemption.

Perhaps others will still see some cause for hope, and in another few weeks my friends may persuade me to see it, too. But today I will hear no such talk, and I doubt I’ll be in a better mood tomorrow. At the moment, I am convinced America is doomed beyond all hope of redemption, and any talk of the future fills me with dread and horror.

For further context on the possible reasons why the reelection of America’s first black President is having such a mind-shattering effect on Mr. McCain, see: The Other ‘Other McCain’.

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240 comments

1 darthstar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:34:44pm

Holy crap...he uses a chalk board on his radio show? What a fucking idiot!

2 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:35:06pm

You know. I remember my reaction to the 2004 election. I was very upset. I thought how on earth could people give that idiot(Bush) a second chance? But I decided it wasn't the end of the world and that Bush wasn't the evil guy I thought he was. Beck and McCain have this agenda to their listeners and readers that President Obama is some evil guy who hates them and everyone like them. Beck won't be loading up on guns and going to a cabin in the woods but he will be making a good amount of dough and notoriety trying to scare people and convince them that Obama will ignore the term limit law and stay in office till death.

3 Mattand  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:35:36pm

re: #1 darthstar

Holy crap...he uses a chalk board on his radio show? What a fucking idiot!

Well, his voice is like nails being dragged across one.

4 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:35:51pm

I'm surprised Beck and RSM aren't ecstatic.

Beck because he's guaranteed a big income stream for the next four years, and RSM because now he has an excuse to indulge in the psychopathic violence that he's had such a hard on for so many years.

5 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:35:58pm

Evening Lizardim.

6 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:36:28pm

re: #3 Mattand

Well, his voice is like nails being dragged across one.

Really that whine and when he tries to be witty by being a condescending prick to those who don't think like him. I think they should use that when interrogating captured terrorists. It's that bad.

7 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:36:39pm

And ... the Show Users button is back.

8 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:36:39pm

Beware, the end of the world is neigh! End times! The apocalypse is upon us!

Derp.

9 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:37:23pm

That's one of the signs of the End Times. The return of the Show Users button.

10 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:37:29pm

re: #8 Gus

Beware, the end of the world is neigh! End times! The apocalypse is upon us!

Derp.

My Facebook has positively blown up with "OMG HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO YOURSELF AMERICA." type comments. I've been studiously avoiding saying anything, lest I be outed as a member of the Dark Side.

11 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:37:41pm
At the moment, I am convinced America is doomed beyond all hope of redemption, and any talk of the future fills me with dread and horror.

I think Stacy is wearing his Scarlett hat today.

12 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:39:15pm

If Beck and his sycophants want to go Galt, fucking let them.

But they won't, because they need things to be as they currently are more than we need them.

13 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:39:20pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

That's one of the signs of the End Times. The return of the Show Users button.

Next: the 'Search Comments' feature?

14 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:39:30pm

re: #10 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

My Facebook has positively blown up with "OMG HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO YOURSELF AMERICA." type comments. I've been studiously avoiding saying anything, lest I be outed as a member of the Dark Side.

It's the smart thing to do. Sometimes people get really obnoxious. Kid brother was telling me that a kid on the bus today was saying all kinds of crazy crap like the country's ruined and that Obama just wants taxes on the rich to take their money for himself.

16 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:40:15pm

re: #13 wrenchwench

Next: the 'Search Comments' feature?

That's what precedes the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.

17 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:40:28pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

I think he's almost ready for the Forrest.

I see what you did there!

18 Tigger2  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:40:32pm

Gold must have dried up he pimping farm land now.

19 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:40:35pm

re: #14 HappyBenghazi

It's the smart thing to do. Sometimes people get really obnoxious. Kid brother was telling me that a kid on the bus today was saying all kinds of crazy crap like the country's ruined and that Obama just wants taxes on the rich to take their money for himself.

Well, there's also the little fact that I'll probably get disowned if I do, since my mom is on my Facebook and her and Dad are borderline Nirthers.

20 jhrhv  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:42:42pm

The GOP ready to get to work to do what's best for the nation.

/shameful

21 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:42:54pm

re: #19 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Well, there's also the little fact that I'll probably get disowned if I do, since my mom is on my Facebook and her and Dad are borderline Nirthers.

Damn that does suck. Most people who know me well know that I'm a liberal but I keep my page pretty apolitical. I think the only thing I've posted even remotely political in the last year was scathing some lady on Fox News who said that women who sign up for military service shouldn't be surprised if they were raped.

22 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:43:05pm

re: #1 darthstar

Holy crap...he uses a chalk board on his radio show? What a fucking idiot!

That's an old tradition from the days of silent radio.

23 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:44:12pm

re: #12 Ben G. Hazi

If Beck and his sycophants want to go Galt, fucking let them.

But they won't, because they need things to be as they currently are more than we need them.

Going Galt only works in SuperNoWayLand where venture capitalists are individuals with sole proprietorship who are also genius inventors. And they actively sabotage infrastructure to remove their "intellectual property" from the undeserving world.

Funny how Randroids and libertarian he-men don't talk loudly and openly about the heroic terrorism committed by the book's protagonists.

24 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:44:16pm

re: #21 HappyBenghazi

Damn that does suck. Most people who know me well know that I'm a liberal but I keep my page pretty apolitical. I think the only thing I've posted even remotely political in the last year was scathing some lady on Fox News who said that women who sign up for military service shouldn't be surprised if they were raped.

Yeah, I don't post anything political to my FB. I keep my politics pretty close to the chest. I posted this on another website - I trust my parents with my life, but not the details of my life. There's a lot of stuff that goes on up here in the wild north country that they just don't know about.

25 RadicalModerate  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:44:55pm

Robert Stacy McCain just hasn't seemed the same since his good buddy Bill White got thrown back into prison for skipping out of the country while on supervised release for threatening federal officials - which included advocating assassination of (then-Senator) Barack Obama and other individuals.

26 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:45:32pm

re: #25 RadicalModerate

Robert Stacy McCain just hasn't seemed the same since his good buddy Bill White got thrown back into prison for skipping out of the country while on supervised release for threatening federal officials - which included advocating assassination of (then-Senator) Barack Obama and other individuals.

Where did White flee to anyhow?

27 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:45:39pm

Ah, he interviewed that nut David Gelernter last month.

The end of Murica is neigh!!

28 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:45:45pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

That's one of the signs of the End Times. The return of the Show Users button.

Should people in Israel be nervous?
/

29 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:46:23pm
30 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:46:47pm

re: #25 RadicalModerate

Robert Stacy McCain just hasn't seemed the same since his good buddy Bill White got thrown back into prison for skipping out of the country while on supervised release for threatening federal officials - which included advocating assassination of (then-Senator) Barack Obama and other individuals.

O RLY?

31 researchok  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:47:36pm

The Whack Job Express rides again.

Good thing there is money to be made- Beck will be crying all the way to the bank.

As for McCain, no one cares.

32 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:47:42pm

re: #1 darthstar

Holy crap...he uses a chalk board on his radio show? What a fucking idiot!

He's batshit insane, what would you expect? If he was within visual range of sanity he wouldn't say what he said.

33 RadicalModerate  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:47:56pm

re: #26 HappyBenghazi

Where did White flee to anyhow?

He ran off to Mexico, was on the lam for about a month, and got recaptured in June 2012.

[Link: www.roanoke.com...]

34 philosophus invidius  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:48:34pm

What is Beck talking about? He can hock his seeds and gold more than ever.

35 efuseakay  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:49:20pm

re: #4 Romantic Heretic

I'm surprised Beck and RSM aren't ecstatic.

Beck because he's guaranteed a big income stream for the next four years, and RSM because now he has an excuse to indulge in the psychopathic violence that he's had such a hard on for so many years.

Oh. They ARE ecstatic. But they have to play the part of middle-aged religious white guys being oppressed by the big bad black socialist in the White House to keep their readers/listeners loyal.

36 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:50:29pm

re: #24 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Yeah, I don't post anything political to my FB. I keep my politics pretty close to the chest. I posted this on another website - I trust my parents with my life, but not the details of my life. There's a lot of stuff that goes on up here in the wild north country that they just don't know about.

Oh, I've been living it up on FB today. I belong to a politics group there, and I've been relentlessly mocking the conservatives who post there. It got to the point where they were calling me a gloating asshole, and I was telling them that until their party becomes a serious political party, mocking is all they'll get and all they deserve.

After months of them telling me that Romney was going to clean Obama's clock, you're damn right I'm gonna be a gloating asshole. :)

37 JeffFX  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:50:54pm
Oh. They ARE ecstatic. But they have to play the part of middle-aged religious white guys being oppressed by the big bad black socialist in the White House to keep their readers/listeners loyal.

The entire Conservative movement is made up of grifters and their marks.

38 researchok  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:51:21pm

re: #27 Gus

When a smart guy like Gelernter goes on Beck, you know the right has real problems.

Kool aid in pretty glasses is still kool aid.

39 darthstar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:51:26pm
40 darthstar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:53:51pm
41 Amory Blaine  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:54:04pm

His tears are delicious.

42 darthstar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:54:18pm
43 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:54:49pm

re: #39 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Yeah so much for the turnout drop. Whoever the Dem candidate is in 2016 needs to use some of Obama's turnout strategies. Their GOTV team is perhaps the best I've ever seen.

44 Patricia Kayden  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:56:02pm

The gnashing of teeth on the Right is hilarious! Loving every minute of it. Fox News was great entertainment last night, although I don't plan to subject myself to them any further for now.
Now that President Obama doesn't have to worry about re-election, hopefully the Republicans will come to their senses (if they have any) and work with him to move this country forward. I don't see what they gain from stonewalling every dang thing like they did during his first term.
But it seems that the minority Senate Leader is as obstinate as ever.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

45 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:57:25pm

re: #15 Charles Johnson

And so an older page regains relevance, found with Google LGF, hope you get a laugh out of it.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

46 Lidane  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:58:10pm

This morning on my way to work I saw a guy driving around with a makeshift sign advertising both Glenn Beck's radio show and The Blaze. He was driving one of these and he looked like this.

It explained a lot, actually.

47 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:58:54pm

I saw a sign on my way home on the side of the road. It had the tired old "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" cliche on it. I wish these people would realize that the moral objections to gay marriage have nothing to do with the legal status thereof.

48 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 3:59:29pm

re: #38 researchok

When a smart guy like Gelernter goes on Beck, you know the right has real problems.

Kool aid in pretty glasses is still kool aid.

Smart only with computers perhaps. He is a professor of computer science at Yale and talking about "Soviet this and that" about our education system and maligning the student body at Yale alleging that they "hate me" because of some book he wrote. I seriously doubt they know much about this paranoid wingnut book.

Oh, and today Gelernter wrote a quick rant at NRO babbling about a civil war because of yesterday's reelection of the president.

49 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:00:32pm

Alabama went to Romney by 61-39. Results varied in the 6 to 10 year old demographic:

from the Eagle--
While their parents headed to the polls, students at the elementary School also got a chance to vote for their pick for president.

Students at the school participated in a mock election on Tuesday, casting votes for either Mitt Romney or President Barack Obama. Teachers staged the election to resemble the real voting process as closely as possible, with a registration table, voting booths and poll workers to help student voters.

“We tried to make the process as real an experience as possible,” media specialist Carla said.

The election ends a two-week study of civics for students. Instructors taught students about the electoral process and about the two candidates.

Tew said the lessons and the mock election were intended to teach students the importance of voting and being responsible citizens.

Faith, 10, said the lessons and mock election made her more enthusiastic about voting and elections.

“I just hope people will vote and encourage their kids to vote,” she said.

Like the rest of the country, the school had a mix of Obama and Romney supporters.

Joseph said he supported Obama.

“He does good things and I know how Mitt Romney is going to do, he’s going to raise them taxes,” (he) said.

Student Raymond was for Romney.

“Obama would take our guns away and probably give them to criminals,” he said.

While the results of the national election were yet to be determined Tuesday afternoon, the final results of (the school) election had Obama leading Romney 255 votes to 85.

50 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:01:32pm

Broadway doesn't have this much drama.

51 Ayeless in Ghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:03:51pm

Video footage taken today from the wasteland that was once Greater Wingnuttia:

52 researchok  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:04:49pm

re: #48 Gus

A Yale professor has no business on Beck.

Guys like him are why I don't believe tenure is such a good thing.

53 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:05:16pm

NRO identifies the problem with the Romney campaign.
The Republicans were just too nice:
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

54 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:05:37pm

re: #42 darthstar

Image: 7f700c94.jpg

More here...

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

I'm not going drink that. What I am going to do with that bottle of Beck Tears is smash it against the side of the FAILboat that wingnuts will use to sail to Fantasy Island on to figure out how they can win by being "more pure". After that I'm going to try to figure out ways a reality-based sequester solution could be devised.

55 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:06:06pm

re: #49 Decatur Deb

Alabama went to Romney by 61-39. Results varied in the 6 to 10 year old demographic:

from the Eagle--
While their parents headed to the polls, students at the elementary School also got a chance to vote for their pick for president.

Students at the school participated in a mock election on Tuesday, casting votes for either Mitt Romney or President Barack Obama. Teachers staged the election to resemble the real voting process as closely as possible, with a registration table, voting booths and poll workers to help student voters.

“We tried to make the process as real an experience as possible,” media specialist Carla said.

The election ends a two-week study of civics for students. Instructors taught students about the electoral process and about the two candidates.

Tew said the lessons and the mock election were intended to teach students the importance of voting and being responsible citizens.

Faith, 10, said the lessons and mock election made her more enthusiastic about voting and elections.

“I just hope people will vote and encourage their kids to vote,” she said.

Like the rest of the country, the school had a mix of Obama and Romney supporters.

Joseph said he supported Obama.

“He does good things and I know how Mitt Romney is going to do, he’s going to raise them taxes,” (he) said.

Student Raymond was for Romney.

“Obama would take our guns away and probably give them to criminals,” he said.

While the results of the national election were yet to be determined Tuesday afternoon, the final results of (the school) election had Obama leading Romney 255 votes to 85.

When I read quotes like this "Would take our guns away and give them to criminals", I know exactly where the kid is getting that crap from. It's coming from home. I remember a neighborhood friend who accused President Clinton of selling our secrets to China. He had no proof of it of course. I know he was getting his rhetoric from his mother who was a big Alan Keyes fan. We were 13 at the time.

56 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:06:49pm

re: #52 researchok

A Yale professor has no business on Beck.

Guys like him are why I don't believe tenure is such a good thing.

Here's the book summary for America Lite:

America-Lite (where we all live) is just like America, only turned into an amusement park or a video game or a supersized Pinkberry, where the past and future are blank and there is only a big NOW. How did we come to expect no virtue and so much cynicism from our culture, our leaders—and each other?

In this refreshingly judgmental book, David Gelernter connects the historical dots to reveal a stealth revolution carried out by post-religious globalist intellectuals who, by and large, “can’t run their own universities or scholarly fields, but are very sure they can run you.” These imperial academics have deployed their students into the top echelon of professions once monopolized by staid and steady WASPs. In this simple way, they have installed themselves as the new designated drivers of American culture.

Imperial academics live in a world of theory; they preach disdain for mere facts and for old-fashioned fact-based judgments like true or false. Schoolchildren are routinely taught theories about history instead of actual history—they learn, for example, that all nations are equally nice except for America, which is nearly always nasty.

With academic experts to do our thinking for us, we’ve politely shut up and let second-raters take the wheel. In fact, we have handed the keys to the star pupil and teacher’s pet of the post-religious globalist intellectuals, whose election to the presidency of the United States constituted the ultimate global group hug.

How do we finally face the truth and get back into the driver’s seat? America-Lite ends with a one-point plan.

He should stick with computers and art.

57 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:08:06pm

re: #53 jaunte

NRO identifies the problem with the Romney campaign.
The Republicans were just too nice:
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

They said this about McCain too. Their problem is they're alienating key demographics of voters at the expense of appeasing their base who are statistically growing smaller.

58 researchok  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:08:35pm

re: #56 Gus

He's bought into Horowitz.

Great.

59 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:08:36pm

The full title:

America-Lite: How Imperial Academia Dismantled Our Culture (and Ushered In the Obamacrats)

60 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:09:01pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

I'm not going drink that. What I am going to do with that bottle of Beck Tears is smash it against the side of the FAILboat that wingnuts will use to sail to Fantasy Island on to figure out how they can win by being "more pure". After that I'm going to try to figure out ways a reality-based sequester solution could be devised.

Sorry DF the most you can hope for is that you can be successfully taken into captivity by FEMA and become part of our "Sane Republicans" breeding program where your diminished stocks can hopefully be repopulated and then released back into the wild at a later date.

61 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:09:12pm

Unless I misunderstood her, my conservative, US history teaching friend did not realize Puerto Rico was a territory of the US. She made a statement that it would need a treaty.

:Facepalm:

They have been a US Territory since 1898, and they have been US citizens since 1917, with the Jones-Shafroth Act being the law in question causing it.

62 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:09:43pm

re: #53 jaunte

Also from NRO, but with more facts.

63 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:10:08pm

re: #57 HappyBenghazi

The nice thing about losing as badly as the GOP did last night is that the Republicans now have at least two years, and probably four, to think back over the mistakes they made this year and also in 2008 — and to ponder the real lesson of 2010, when there was no national candidate on the ballot. And that lesson is simple: When conservative principles are the focal point of the election, they win; when “electability” and “reaching across the aisle” are personified in a middling candidate at the presidential level, they lose.

By that standard, they should have run Santorum.

64 William of Orange  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:10:14pm

What an incredibly sad news to announce. Actor Clive Dunn, Dad's Army, died today at the age of 92.


Forever in my heart!

"Don't panic!! Don't panic!"

65 aagcobb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:10:54pm

re: #2 HappyBenghazi

You know. I remember my reaction to the 2004 election. I was very upset. I thought how on earth could people give that idiot(Bush) a second chance? But I decided it wasn't the end of the world and that Bush wasn't the evil guy I thought he was. Beck and McCain have this agenda to their listeners and readers that President Obama is some evil guy who hates them and everyone like them. Beck won't be loading up on guns and going to a cabin in the woods but he will be making a good amount of dough and notoriety trying to scare people and convince them that Obama will ignore the term limit law and stay in office till death.

Hannity can restart the clock on his "Stop Obama Express."

66 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:12:23pm

re: #61 ProGunLiberal

I missed a word.

Is the story I related above a bad sign?

67 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:13:05pm

re: #63 jaunte

By that standard, they should have run Santorum.

They'd find some way to find fault with him too. They're too love in the abstract idea of this perfect conservative who is somewhere in the wings just waiting to win an electoral landslide against the Democrats. There isn't that guy anywhere. Just as there's no perfect liberal in the Democratic party who will do the same. Every candidate has his flaws and strengths.

68 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:13:19pm

re: #53 jaunte

NRO identifies the problem with the Romney campaign.
The Republicans were just too nice:
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Also by Michal Walsh...

Crush Them!!

Excerpts:

Conservatives have a rare opportunity tomorrow to do something they signally failed to do in the landslide elections of 1972 and 1984: finish the job. Nixon’s victory was vitiated by Watergate and quickly revenged by Woodward and Bernstein, leading to his replacement in 1974 by Jerry Ford, a man who exactly nobody thought was qualified to be president of the United States, probably including Ford himself. Ford led to Jimmy Carter, whose ineptitude and weakness in turn lead to Ronald Reagan, who swept Carter away in 1980 and then smashed Walter Mondale and the Democrats to powder in 1984.

and

The duel between “progressivism” — which is really just anti-Constitutionalism — and patriotic loyalty to the Republic as founded has been going on for a century. And the record of the “progressives” has been a disgrace, from Woodrow Wilson’s resegregation of the military, through FDR’s corrupt bargain with gangland that helped him secure the Democratic nomination in 1932 over Al Smith, through DNC member Bull Connor’s fire-hosing of civil-rights marchers.

and

It’s up to the electorate tomorrow to show them that the dream is really a nightmare, from which it’s time to awake, that the cause of America always endures, and the work of restoring our founding principles begins anew today.

Derp.

69 SpikeDad  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:14:10pm

Dear RWNJs - Fucking do it. Take your kids and wive(s) and slaves and head for the hills. Please don't, however expect the socialist, communist society you're leaving to grant it's services to you - no water, no electricity, no Internet, no sewer, no police, no fire services, no hospital or medical services, no modern farm equipment.

Please live off the land, put up a big fence and stay behind it. Your former fellow citizens thank you.

70 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:14:43pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

From Carrie L. Lukas' piece at NRO:

"I count myself among those who assumed — clearly wrongly in hindsight — that the “war on women” rhetoric wouldn’t work. From my perspective, the Democrats’ campaign for women was flatly insulting, treating women as sex objects (appealing to them to vote with their “lady parts”) and helpless wards of the state (Julia). The charge that Republicans want to restrict access to contraception — that is, beyond returning to the pre-Obamacare status quo when religious organizations were not forced to pay for others’ contraception — is so far-fetched that it’s almost hard to know how to counter, since just engaging in the discussion grants the question a legitimacy it doesn’t deserve."

I disagree with her characterization of the 'war on women' as simply rhetoric.

71 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:18:10pm

re: #23 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea

Going Galt only works in SuperNoWayLand where venture capitalists are individuals with sole proprietorship who are also genius inventors. And they actively sabotage infrastructure to remove their "intellectual property" from the undeserving world.

Funny how Randroids and libertarian he-men don't talk loudly and openly about the heroic terrorism committed by the book's protagonists.

There is no way you can convince me John Galt would ever deign to take care of his own septic tank.

72 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:18:48pm

re: #70 jaunte

I disagree with her characterization of the 'war on women' as simply rhetoric.

Could you try and find a way to alter the way you are quoting this? At first glance I thought those words were something DF had said rather than a quote from something he had linked to....

73 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:19:18pm
74 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:20:15pm

Okay, I will post what I said earlier in the thread, this time without missing words.

Unless I misunderstood her, my conservative, US history teaching friend did not realize Puerto Rico was a territory of the US. She made a statement that it would need a treaty.

:Facepalm:

They have been a US Territory since 1898, and they have been US citizens since 1917, with the Jones-Shafroth Act being the law in question causing it.

On a scale of 1-10, how bad a sign is this?

75 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:22:00pm

I remember the olden days of Usenet, in the forum alt.war.civil.usa, where RSMcCain was the THIRD most obnoxious troll to post there.

Here is a blast-o from the past-o in which RS McCain requested, from the actual Civil War historians on the board, some literature by Owned-Americans who enjoyed their status of being someone else's property.

His request was not well received.

76 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:22:58pm

re: #49 Decatur Deb

Joseph said he supported Obama.

“He does good things and I know how Mitt Romney is going to do, he’s going to raise them taxes,” (he) said.

Student Raymond was for Romney.

“Obama would take our guns away and probably give them to criminals,” he said.

The next generation of reality based thinking vs. wingnuttia in a nutshell right there.

77 Joanne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:24:53pm

re: #10 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

My Facebook has positively blown up with "OMG HOW COULD YOU DO THIS TO YOURSELF AMERICA." type comments. I've been studiously avoiding saying anything, lest I be outed as a member of the Dark Side.

Honey, it's time to step out of the closet. Look how far equality has come. ;-)

78 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:25:29pm

"Obama wins women and nonwhites"

To: KeyLargo

Time to turn back the clock when it comes to voting rights.

Yes, I’m perfectly serious.

6 posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2012 9:00:49 AM by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

79 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:25:31pm

I would just like to say: Fuck you YouTube, fuck you right in the ear. No one asked you to change a fucking thing.

80 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:25:36pm

re: #77 Joanne

Honey, it's time to step out of the closet. Look how far equality has come. ;-)

As I mentioned upthread, that would have adverse consequences. I've mentioned before around here that I am an evangelical Christian, and coming out as a moderate who voted for Obama is a death sentence in my community. Or at least excommunication. ;)

81 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:25:43pm

re: #74 ProGunLiberal

Okay, I will post what I said earlier in the thread, this time without missing words.

On a scale of 1-10, how bad a sign is this?

bad a sign for what? Your friend is mistaken. Alaska and Hawaii and the other 35 states before it did not need treaties to become states and neither would Puerto Rico. Assuming you mean how the Republicans in Congress will act? I don't know. The Republican platform as does the Democratic one favors statehood for PR should the people there want it. I do worry about know-nothignism within the GOP in Congress but yesterday's results have put them in a tough place when it comes to Hispanics. They need to make inroads with Hispanic voters and rejecting PR statehood would make a growing demographic that they've lost votes from dramatically in the last two elections even more dramatic.

82 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:26:00pm

I did buy a gun today. Only because Beretta 21a Bobcats are impossible to buy new in California due to not being on the approved list, so you have to wait until a nice used one becomes available and pounce on it.

83 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:26:48pm

re: #82 goddamnedfrank

I did buy a gun today. Only because Beretta 21a Bobcats are impossible to buy new in California due to not being on the approved list, so you have to wait until a nice used one becomes available and pounce on it.

There is a Barrett .50 cal for sale in a Twin Cities gun shop somewhere. I know this because my gun-nut coworker (an ex-Marine) was talking about it.

84 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:26:53pm

re: #78 SpaceJesus

"Obama wins women and nonwhites"

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Yes, let's limit suffrage because our guy lost because suffrage is allowed to women and non-whites. Someone should move to a dictatorship if they don't like the fact that suffrage is for nearly all citizens regardless of skin color, gender, creed, etc over 18.

85 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:27:04pm
To: coconut47

Ditto. Only sluts vote with their overused lady parts.

11 posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2012 9:02:17 AM by alphadoggie
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86 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:27:31pm

re: #74 ProGunLiberal

Okay, I will post what I said earlier in the thread, this time without missing words.

On a scale of 1-10, how bad a sign is this.

Potato.

87 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:27:45pm

re: #85 SpaceJesus

Love to see that little punk call my mother and grandmother and various female cousins a slut to her face.

88 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:27:58pm

Ladies and Gentlemen, the University of Texas is full of whiny little crybabies.

Mack says ‘Horns Down’ should be penalized

Call the WAHMBULANCE!!

Also, it is 5:28 pm, and Texas still sucks.

89 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:28:04pm

Keep it up Freep, you're just making elections easier for us

90 aagcobb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:28:44pm

re: #81 HappyBenghazi

bad a sign for what? Your friend is mistaken. Alaska and Hawaii and the other 35 states before it did not need treaties to become states and neither would Puerto Rico. Assuming you mean how the Republicans in Congress will act? I don't know. The Republican platform as does the Democratic one favors statehood for PR should the people there want it. I do worry about know-nothignism within the GOP in Congress but yesterday's results have put them in a tough place when it comes to Hispanics. They need to make inroads with Hispanic voters and rejecting PR statehood would make a growing demographic that they've lost votes from dramatically in the last two elections even more dramatic.

I fully expect the GOP Base would explode in xenophobic rage if P.R. Statehood comes before Congress. I doubt many of them realize that Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens.

91 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:29:02pm

re: #81 HappyBenghazi

No. It appears she may not have known that Puerto Rico has been a US territory, and has been since before my Great-Grandparents were even born.

92 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:29:07pm
To: MNDude

Higher turnout from the plantation population. Lower turnout overall. Plantation Party wins.

7 posted on Mittwoch, 7. November 2012 16:09:00 by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)

93 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:29:22pm

re: #85 SpaceJesus

Not gonna work that polling place, uh-uh.

94 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:29:34pm

re: #90 aagcobb

I fully expect the GOP Base would explode in xenophobic rage if P.R. Statehood comes before Congress. I doubt many of them realize that Puerto Ricans are U.S. citizens.

Yeah I do expect that. Not sure how their congresscritters would act though since as I explained they're in a really tough place right now. It's their own creation of course.

95 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:29:51pm

"Minorities who believe in basic human rights = slaves"

-conservatives

96 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:30:00pm

re: #89 SpaceJesus

Keep it up Freep, you're just making elections easier for us

To: A_Former_Democrat

Personally, I think many of the current crop of liberals would march to the gas chamber rather than admit their ideology is flawed. To admit their ideology is wrong means they are racist, sexist, or homophobic (in their mind)—which means they deserve to die.

153 posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:28:16 PM by rbg81

97 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:30:24pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

Also from NRO, but with more facts.

All that proves is that female Libertarians are just as clueless about real life for regular people as male Libertarians are.

98 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:30:44pm

re: #96 Gus

does not compute

99 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:30:44pm

re: #96 Gus

Got to love the false choices presented.

100 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:30:51pm

re: #96 Gus

Is that for reals?
Epic projection is epic.

101 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:31:16pm

re: #94 HappyBenghazi

The Party Platforms at the Conventions earlier this year say what will happen.

102 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:31:46pm

re: #100 Varek Raith

Is that for reals?
Epic projection is epic.

It's fer reals.

103 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:32:32pm

re: #29 Mad Prophet Ludwig

Here is my Prophecy Concerning Republicans

Yeah but, what if the withered old man whore was totally into submission and thoroughly enjoyed the ass-beating administered by the angel?

104 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:32:35pm

It would be cool to see another state honestly. Obviously being 25, I've never seen a territory become a statehood. You know we're at the longest time in history between a territory becoming a state than any time in our history?

105 Joanne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:33:32pm

re: #24 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Yeah, I don't post anything political to my FB. I keep my politics pretty close to the chest. I posted this on another website - I trust my parents with my life, but not the details of my life. There's a lot of stuff that goes on up here in the wild north country that they just don't know about.

Interesting. I hate Facebook but when I do post something there, it is always political. I guess I am just weird (no breaking news there!)

106 calochortus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:34:12pm

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

I remember the olden days of Usenet, in the forum alt.war.civil.usa, where RSMcCain was the THIRD most obnoxious troll to post there.

Here is a blast-o from the past-o in which RS McCain requested, from the actual Civil War historians on the board, some literature by Owned-Americans who enjoyed their status of being someone else's property.

He did not get a favorable response.

OK, I really just stopped by for a quick read, but really. Really? It was illegal to teach slaves to read and write in many states and they are supposed to have left notes saying how much they enjoyed being owned by other people? The fail is astonishing.

107 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:34:58pm

One freeper sees the light

To: Pajamajan

Allen West lost too.
He was not conservative enough! He was a Rino Like Romney,
You dummies just don’t get it, Conservatism lost big, Look at all the Senators that lost.

If Romney ran as a real Rino, he would have won. But his hard stand on immigrates, planned parenthood lost him the election.

The kids on under 40 are libs forever and Godless.

Smell the roses, conservatism is over in America,

In a few years We all we be Californians.

Even gay marriage won last night.

Turn off the lights the party is over!

6 posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2012 7:56:02 AM by factmart
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108 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:35:58pm

re: #107 SpaceJesus

One freeper sees the light

And it looks like darkness to him.

109 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:37:04pm
To: areukiddingme1

Last night defined who I’ll be going forward. My vote was outnumbered by an ill-informed voter. I shall NEVER again waste my time and vote. We are outnumbered...we have made the ‘turn’ and there is no going back. Minorities are breeding at an alarming rate...we can never outnumber the left. I am officially tuning out...no pride in America...it’s gone.

4 posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2012 7:44:48 AM by maineman (BC EAGLES FAN)
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110 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:37:42pm

re: #107 SpaceJesus

One freeper sees the light

Yes. Because gay marriage will prevent them from buying guns, going hunting, going to church, reading the bible, and listening to country music. Yep. Just like that their whole lives will be turned upside down because some guy 1000 miles away in San Francisco is getting married to his boyfriend.

111 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:38:24pm

Conservatives are bonkers

112 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:39:30pm

re: #111 SpaceJesus

Conservatives are bonkers

Isn't it grand?

113 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:39:37pm

re: #110 Gus

Yes. Because gay marriage will prevent them from buying guns, going hunting, going to church, reading the bible, and listening to country music. Yep. Just like that their whole lives will be turned upside down because some guy 1000 miles away in San Francisco is getting married to his boyfriend.

There were advertisements here in Minnesota concerning the anti-gay-marriage amendment, saying that there were "consequences" for people who disagreed with gay marriage in states where gay marriage had been passed. "Consequences" being defined as "Look at what happened with Chick-Fil-A." Uhh, what in there was a GOVERNMENT consequence of being an intolerant bigot?

114 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:39:38pm

and fascist. always fascist.

115 calochortus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:39:43pm

re: #109 SpaceJesus

Minorities are breeding at an alarming rate...we can never outnumber the left. I am officially tuning out...no pride in America...it’s gone.

You'd think he'd want to make contraception more available...

116 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:39:44pm
“The white establishment is now the minority”

“The demographics are changing. It’s not a traditional America anymore.”

-Bill O

117 calochortus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:40:20pm

re: #116 Varek Raith

And his point is?

118 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:40:28pm

re: #110 Gus

Yes. Because gay marriage will prevent them from buying guns, going hunting, going to church, reading the bible, and listening to country music. Yep. Just like that their whole lives will be turned upside down because some guy 1000 miles away in San Francisco is getting married to his boyfriend.

Allowing 2 people you will never have any interaction with to marry each other despite being the same sex will doom your immortal soul.
/

119 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:40:46pm

re: #113 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

There were advertisements here in Minnesota concerning the anti-gay-marriage amendment, saying that there were "consequences" for people who disagreed with gay marriage in states where gay marriage had been passed. "Consequences" being defined as "Look at what happened with Chick-Fil-A." Uhh, what in there was a GOVERNMENT consequence of being an intolerant bigot?

Gay marriage will mean all men have to become gay, have gay friends, and get married. It's part of gay marriage law. Yep. /

120 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:41:16pm

re: #117 calochortus

And his point is?

WHITE PEOPLE AREN'T IN CONTROL!1!!11ty

121 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:41:28pm

re: #119 Gus

Gay marriage will mean all men have to become gay, have gay friends, and get married. It's part of gay marriage law. Yep. /

So the conservatards are right? Teh ghey is a disease? ALERT THE MEDIA!/

122 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:41:54pm

re: #118 Kragar

Allowing 2 people you will never have any interaction with to marry each other despite being the same sex will doom your immortal soul.
/

Gay marriage also means all Americans have to stop eating beef and beef by-products.

123 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:42:12pm

re: #120 Varek Raith

BROWN PEOPLE? IN MY 'MERICA?

124 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:42:19pm

re: #121 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

So the conservatards are right? Teh ghey is a disease? ALERT THE MEDIA!/

Yep. It's the Gay Marriage Martial Law Clause.

125 RadicalModerate  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:42:23pm

Looking at these freeper comments, I fear that it is just a matter of time before another one of them goes the "vote from the rooftops" route. With them, it's not a case of outliers, since there have been at least half a dozen cases of them who have gone the violent route in the past few years.

126 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:43:01pm

re: #122 Gus

Gay marriage also means all Americans have to stop eating beef and beef by-products.

You know, I could probably handle the "catching teh ghey" part, but I gotta draw the line right there. I wonder if I can reverse my vote for the same-sex marriage amendment now.

127 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:43:10pm

Conservatism: The soul numbing fear that someone, somewhere is living a happy fulfilling life doing something you disagree with.

128 Joanne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:43:12pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

Totally Love This Pic!

129 calochortus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:43:16pm

I'm seeing a lot of threads on FR along the lines of "Where can I move to that will be perfect?"

Strangely, no one seems to be able to come up with someplace that has services without taxes or government interference and a low cost of living. Some speak of libertarian paradises like Germany, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, others simply advise moving to Texas...

130 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:43:17pm

re: #106 calochortus

OK, I really just stopped by for a quick read, but really. Really? It was illegal to teach slaves to read and write in many states and they are supposed to have left notes saying how much they enjoyed being owned by other people? The fail is astonishing.

It's simple enough to understand --- wingnut "thought" requires certain propositions to be true e.g., "civil rights legislation bad".

Derp amplification in the RW echo chamber produces various corollaries, such as "segregation and Jim Crow beneficial to Blacks". From there, it is only a small step to "slavery in the US beneficial to Blacks".

Having divined the Truth, all that remain is to find (i.e., fabricate) evidence in favor and feed this back into the RW echo chamber.

131 calochortus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:44:00pm

re: #120 Varek Raith

WHITE PEOPLE AREN'T IN CONTROL!1!!11ty

Which matters because?

132 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:44:01pm

Let's seriously entertain giving Freepers and the like their own country. Oklahoma for instance.

133 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:44:46pm

re: #131 calochortus

Which matters because?

Because white people were made by God to be in control, DUH. Come on, put on your wingnut thinking cap, get with the program.

134 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:45:05pm

re: #131 calochortus

Which matters because?

BENFUCKINGHAZI!!!!!

135 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:45:16pm

re: #127 Kragar

Conservatism: The soul numbing fear that someone, somewhere is living a happy fulfilling life doing something you disagree with.

My gay neighbors are happily married now. They ruined my life.

136 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:46:00pm
To: Kukai

Women can’t make it on their own. They need the nanny state to provide for them. When the money runs out, there’s always the credit card.

2 posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2012 5:47:45 AM by txrefugee
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137 calochortus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:46:00pm

re: #130 EPR-radar

It's simple enough to understand --- wingnut "thought" requires certain propositions to be true e.g., "civil rights legislation bad".

Derp amplification in the RW echo chamber produces various corollaries, such as "segregation and Jim Crow beneficial to Blacks". From there, it is only a small step to "slavery in the US beneficial to Blacks".

Having divined the Truth, all that remain is to find (i.e., fabricate) evidence in favor and feed this back into the RW echo chamber.

I deeply regret that critical thinking is apparently not part of the curriculum in our schools.

138 Jadewater  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:46:02pm

re: #129 calochortus

Some speak of libertarian paradises like Germany, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, others simply advise moving to Texas...

Ha ha ha ha ha............

Not that living in Canada isn't great and all, but....um...we ain't no Galtian paradise.

139 RadicalModerate  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:46:15pm

re: #132 SpaceJesus

Let's seriously entertain giving Freepers and the like their own country. Oklahoma for instance.

They're already advocating it, in the Cascadia region.
Just google "Northwest Front", and you'll see their ideas in all its glory.

140 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:46:29pm

re: #135 Gus

My gay neighbors are happily married now. They ruined my life.

I know a lesbian couple with a kid. The kid will obviously have to be removed from the infected household and reprogrammed in a secure facility.

141 calochortus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:46:59pm

re: #135 Gus

My gay neighbors are happily married now. They ruined my life.

My gay neighbors did that too-their kids radiate so much cuteness that I might just decide to approve of their family.

142 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:47:02pm

Sorry if I'm spamming freep comments. The tears, they are just so abundant and unrestrained.

143 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:47:21pm

OH NO, NOT THIS SHIT AGAIN!

144 calochortus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:48:38pm

re: #133 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Because white people were made by God to be in control, DUH. Come on, put on your wingnut thinking cap, get with the program.

Ah, that explains why the SF Bay Area is such a hellhole that it's hard to find a house to buy for less than $500,000 or so. It's our diversity.

145 Jadewater  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:49:17pm

In Canada they would have to live with all of commie medicine loving weenies and all the awful gay married people that are supposedly destroying us. I know that since gay marriage became legal IN THE ENTIRE COUNTRY my life has gone to shyte. Damn them!

146 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:49:19pm

re: #144 calochortus

Ah, that explains why the SF Bay Area is such a hellhole that it's hard to find a house to buy for less than $500,000 or so. It's our diversity.

Yep. I mean, clearly the trailer parks back in fish country are far superior to a liberal commune like San Francisco.

147 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:50:45pm

Allen West seems to be taking defeat well....West wants ballots, voting machines impounded

West, the south Florida Republican who has made headlines nationally for his fiery tea party rhetoric, filed motions asking a judge to require elections officials to impound ballots and voting machines. Separately, his campaign alleged "disturbing irregularities" at the polls and called for a recount.

The conservative congressman refused to concede, but Murphy seized on the projections of several news organizations, declaring himself the victor after a long and often vicious campaign. It was unclear what effect West's actions could have on Murphy's 2,456-vote lead in the unofficial count, but the Republican's hopes appeared to be fading.

148 Joanne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:50:47pm

re: #80 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

As I mentioned upthread, that would have adverse consequences. I've mentioned before around here that I am an evangelical Christian, and coming out as a moderate who voted for Obama is a death sentence in my community. Or at least excommunication. ;)

Understood. I was just razzing you. I would never want someone to do that they are not comfortable doing.

150 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:51:22pm

re: #109 SpaceJesus

Fair-weather "patriots" can just STFU and STFD.

151 celticdragon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:51:34pm

Oh. My. God.

Dependable Catholic wingnut Erin Manning is very concerned, as usual, that some of you folks may be having secksey time that is sterile.

Her rage was truly a thing of wonder.

Erin Manning says:November 7, 2012 at 12:06 am

The lesson for conservatives is this: you will not be able to convey the message of social conservatism to a people who have not only proved that they think with their sex organs, but who also demand that the government provide them with free contraception for their minds less some seed of virtue is inadvertently planted somewhere, which unwelcome bastard must be aborted by means of cheap Internet porn or daytime television, whichever is more readily available at the moment.

Sadly, I would have written this same thing had Romney won, as I did not vote for him and saw (and still see) little difference between him and the continued occupant of the White House; they are both moral midgets in every respect, and today’s Americans by and large deserve to be “led” by such people. Why bother selling social conservatism in a kakistocracy? Pearls before swine, and all that.

We just aren't good enough for people like her!

But it gets better...

So, voters in Maine and Maryland have legally defined all practicing Roman Catholics as bigots and haters in their states.

I had ancestors from Maine, but they had the good sense to get out. I have relatives in Maryland, but I haven't seen them in years and don't plan to visit their state again, in keeping with my policy of spending absolutely no money in states that have legally defined me as a bigot and/or a hater.

Comments are closed on this one; sorry, but I'm not in the mood to deal with the whining gay narcissists who fill my comboxes with filth when I post on their wicked sodommarriage stupidity.

The splendid finale:

Did conservatives lose out because voters in three leftist states redefined marriage to include same-sex pairings? Frankly, it's surprising that in those cesspools of reeking degeneracy conservatives were able to put up any kind of a fight at all. Did conservatives lose because in a sound-bite era somebody mouthed off about rape in a way that sounded insensitive? No; exit polls indicated that voters chose the Democrat because they want more free government goodies. They may not have said so in so many words, but that's what it amounted to, because the Democrat harpy got votes from pro-lifers, too; abortion's not as important, you see, as making other people pay for your stuff.

Did a conservative lose the presidential race? No, because calling Mitt Romney a conservative is like calling two men or two women a "marriage;" you can say it all you want, but it's still patently ridiculous. If Mitt Romney was ever the best or brightest hope of American conservatives, then American conservatism is dead, and might as well be laid to rest. But Mitt Romney was not selling conservatism on the campaign trail; he was selling liberalism-lite, and on pretty much the same terms as his opponent.

Conservatism didn't lose last night, because conservatism wasn't even up for election this time around....But I think that someday American conservatism will make a comeback. It will happen a long time from now, when those of easy virtue have gotten all their free birth control and subsidized abortion and have thus failed to reproduce themselves, and America, like many European nations, replaces her native population with people from other countries who still have enough respect for personal responsibility to value faith, family, and hard work, and to seek to encourage those values at the highest levels.

So take heed, you wicked, wicked birth control users! Erin and her friends are going to out-breed all of you!

152 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:51:34pm

I dare this year to get weirder.

153 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:51:39pm

re: #148 Joanne

Understood. I was just razzing you. I would never want someone to do that they are not comfortable doing.

'Sall good. The temptation is strong sometimes, but it would just make my life a full-blown soap opera and I already get enough of that.

154 calochortus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:51:41pm

re: #138 Jadewater

Ha ha ha ha ha............

Not that living in Canada isn't great and all, but....um...we ain't no Galtian paradise.

Unlike Germany, et. al.?

155 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:52:48pm

re: #152 ProGunLiberal

I dare this year to get weirder.

Challenge accepted.

156 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:53:05pm

re: #130 EPR-radar

It's simple enough to understand --- wingnut "thought" requires certain propositions to be true e.g., "civil rights legislation bad".

Derp amplification in the RW echo chamber produces various corollaries, such as "segregation and Jim Crow beneficial to Blacks". From there, it is only a small step to "slavery in the US beneficial to Blacks".

Having divined the Truth, all that remain is to find (i.e., fabricate) evidence in favor and feed this back into the RW echo chamber.

Neo-Confeds will happily point to the WPA narratives as "proof" that "slaves were happy and well-cared-for on the old plantation." And while these are indeed valuable documents, the wingnuts like to cherry-pick only the interviews with people who had experienced slavery as small children, who may not have witnessed all its horrors, and had only a vague recollection by the time they were interviewed in the 1930's.

157 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:53:54pm

re: #151 celticdragon

Oh. My. God.

Dependable Catholic wingnut Erin Manning is very concerned, as usual, that some of you folks may be having secksey time that is sterile.

Her rage was truly a thing of wonder.

Erin Manning says:November 7, 2012 at 12:06 am

We just aren't good enough for people like her!

But it gets better...

The splendid finale:

So take heed, you wicked, wicked birth control users! Erin and her friends are going to out-breed all of you!

Yes. Because all Catholics are bigots. That's what it says in my liberal handbook. They're all the same and no atheists are asshole and bigots either.

//

158 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:54:52pm

re: #155 Varek Raith

Challenge accepted.

On the road to peak wingnut.

159 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:55:27pm

Dick Morris returns from the missing...

Why I Was Wrong

I’ve got egg on my face. I predicted a Romney landslide and, instead, we ended up with an Obama squeaker.

The key reason for my bum prediction is that I mistakenly believed that the 2008 surge in black, Latino, and young voter turnout would recede in 2012 to “normal” levels. Didn’t happen. These high levels of minority and young voter participation are here to stay. And, with them, a permanent reshaping of our nation’s politics.

In 2012, 13% of the vote was cast by blacks. In 04, it was 11%. This year, 10% was Latino. In ’04 it was 8%. This time, 19% was cast by voters under 30 years of age. In ’04 it was 17%. Taken together, these results swelled the ranks of Obama’s three-tiered base by five to six points, accounting fully for his victory.

I derided the media polls for their assumption of what did, in fact happen: That blacks, Latinos, and young people would show up in the same numbers as they had in 2008. I was wrong. They did.

But the more proximate cause of my error was that I did not take full account of the impact of hurricane Sandy and of Governor Chris Christie’s bipartisan march through New Jersey arm in arm with President Obama. Not to mention Christe’s fawning promotion of Obama’s presidential leadership.

It made all the difference.

Lol..."See! My prediction of a Romney landslide was not wrong because I was utterly mistaken about those demographics I just pointed out, it was all because of Chris Christie!!!11!"

Keep it up Morris, go ahead and blame Christie all you want. I would much rather the republicans battling with each other over "purity" than recognizing and addressing the demographic hole they are in.

160 alpuz  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:56:09pm

re: #135 Gus

Mine are still living in sin.

161 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:56:59pm

re: #151 celticdragon

Oh. My. God.

Dependable Catholic wingnut Erin Manning is very concerned, as usual, that some of you folks may be having secksey time that is sterile.

Her rage was truly a thing of wonder.

Erin Manning says:November 7, 2012 at 12:06 am

We just aren't good enough for people like her!

But it gets better...

The splendid finale:

So take heed, you wicked, wicked birth control users! Erin and her friends are going to out-breed all of you!

No, I have that under control.

162 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:57:14pm

re: #159 ghazidor

Dick Morris returns from the missing...

Why I Was Wrong

Lol..."See! My prediction of a Romney landslide was not wrong because I was utterly mistaken about those demographics I just pointed out, it was all because of Chris Christie!!!11!"

Keep it up Morris, go ahead and blame Christie all you want. I would much rather the republicans battling with each other over "purity" than recognizing and addressing the demographic hole they are in.

"I was totally right to add 5-8% for Romney in every poll......until Sandy came along. All the pollsters were totally skewing the polls until Chris Christie acted like a decent human being, and then they didn't have to skew them anymore to show the same numbers they had shown all along!"

163 darthstar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:57:32pm


164 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:57:34pm

re: #160 alpuz

Mine are still living in sin.

"I'm sorry Bob but I have to fire you. I can't have someone working here living in sin as you are having lived with Gary all these years out of wedlock."

165 celticdragon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:57:50pm

re: #157 Gus

Yes. Because all Catholics are bigots. That's what it says in my liberal handbook. They're all the same and no atheists are asshole and bigots either.

//

I know a number of progressive Catholics. Erin and those like her who use the church to justify hatred and contempt of all non Catholics (which she does with some amount of glee) are something else entirely. They are also a minority, but they tend to be noisy and get attention.

166 Bulworth  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:58:17pm

Doesn't Beck Believe in America? Is the greatest most Exceptional country in the whole world in history able to endure when administered by one of the two major parties? Or can America not handle a two-party system? /

167 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 4:59:14pm

re: #157 Gus

Yes. Because all Catholics are bigots. That's what it says in my liberal handbook. They're all the same and no atheists are asshole and bigots either.

//

Hey!
Who ya call an asshole, jerk?!?!
I oughta break your arm!

168 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:00:52pm

re: #163 darthstar

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What state did Silver get wrong? Was he predicting a NC win?

169 KingKenrod  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:00:59pm

re: #75 Vicious Babushka

I remember the olden days of Usenet, in the forum alt.war.civil.usa, where RSMcCain was the THIRD most obnoxious troll to post there.

Here is a blast-o from the past-o in which RS McCain requested, from the actual Civil War historians on the board, some literature by Owned-Americans who enjoyed their status of being someone else's property.

His request was not well received.

Never saw this before now. What a pile of crap Confederate apologist this guy is.

170 Jadewater  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:01:33pm

re: #154 calochortus

Unlike Germany, et. al.?

Hmm well Germany...socialized medicine -check (they have some sort of hybrid public/private system
Austrailia -medicine socialized
New Zealand -socialized

All three have some legal recognition for same-sex partnerships under laws regarding common law. So no gay marriage per say but they don't tell em that they mean nothing.

171 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:01:33pm

re: #168 JamesWI

What state did Silver get wrong? Was he predicting a NC win?

Oops, nevermind. Didn't realize that guy was talking about RCP there.

172 darthstar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:02:56pm

re: #168 JamesWI

What state did Silver get wrong? Was he predicting a NC win?

They're not counting Florida because it hasn't been called yet.

173 calochortus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:03:46pm

re: #170 Jadewater

Hmm well Germany...socialized medicine -check (they have some sort of hybrid public/private system
Austrailia -medicine socialized
New Zealand -socialized

All three have some legal recognition for same-sex partnerships under laws regarding common law. So no gay marriage per say but they don't tell em that they mean nothing.

I guess these folks are stuck with Texas or maybe the Philippines. Not that they will actually get up and move.

174 b_Snark  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:04:00pm

re: #170 Jadewater

Hmm well Germany...socialized medicine -check (they have some sort of hybrid public/private system
Austrailia -medicine socialized
New Zealand -socialized

All three have some legal recognition for same-sex partnerships under laws regarding common law. So no gay marriage per say but they don't tell em that they mean nothing.

But, just like Canuckistan those countries have horrible limitations on their freedoms. Just ask their populations how oppressed they feel.

175 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:04:21pm

re: #172 darthstar

They're not counting Florida because it hasn't been called yet.

1,2,5,4,8,4...
DAMMIT, start the count over.

176 b_Snark  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:04:40pm

re: #172 darthstar

They're not counting Florida because it hasn't been called yet.

Well, give it a call then. Text it if you have to.

177 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:05:00pm

re: #169 KingKenrod

Never saw this before now. What a pile of crap Confederate apologist this guy is.

A few years ago, I would not have believed that apologists for the Confederacy actually existed.

Revisionist history, denial of science and elevating faith over reason in all matters seem to be the bedrock principles of the GOP cargo cult.

178 Jadewater  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:05:57pm

re: #174 b_snark

But, just like Canuckistan those countries have horrible limitations on their freedoms. Just ask their populations how oppressed they feel.

I know. I think I might be so oppressed that I don't even feel oppressed.

179 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:06:02pm

re: #177 EPR-radar

A few years ago, I would not have believed that apologists for the Confederacy actually existed.

Revisionist history, denial of science and elevating faith over reason in all matters seem to be the bedrock principles of the GOP cargo cult.

Confederate apologists I knew about. I had even heard of Holocaust deniers, although I never met one until I went to JREF. The ones that took me aback were Pearl Harbor revisionists.

180 BongCrodny  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:06:03pm

re: #151 celticdragon

I had ancestors from Maine, but they had the good sense to get out.

Speaking as a Mainer who has never been more proud of his state, let me be the first to say: No. Great. Fucking. Loss.

And guess what? My sister's getting married in January!!

181 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:06:11pm

re: #165 celticdragon

I know a number of progressive Catholics. Erin and those like her who use the church to justify hatred and contempt of all non Catholics (which she does with some amount of glee) are something else entirely. They are also a minority, but they tend to be noisy and get attention.

I grew up Catholic in my early years. We went to church on Sundays and I remember that all the way to the first grade. Did two years, K-1, in Saint Finbars. Basically, I was molded with a Catholic foundation in many ways. I wasn't a bible reader but I had the Lord's Prayer and Hail Mary memorized by the time I was in kindergarten. My parents never preached or evangelized. My dad was in a seminary and my mom worked for the nuns down in Argentina. I knew plenty of Catholics. These Catholics like Erin, Santorum, etc, seem rather foreign to me. Most of the ones I knew were ordinary people save for one cranky old coot from Sicily and she was a bigot.

182 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:07:10pm

Don't know which run-in with a "conservative" rankled me more today. First was one of our regulars at the shop, a well-to-do fellow who owns his own computer security company in town and has tried twice for elected office as a Republican (lost primary for US House seat, lost election for local seat). Came into the shop today and told me about how he's worried about his family and their future, before telling me with a little grin about how he'll "have" to cancel health insurance for his employees because now Obamacare can "take care of them."

Second was my old man, which just left me depressed. Man hardly talked politics up til recently, at least in my presence, but now he's acting like a totally sore loser over the election. When I mentioned stories about how folks up in New England still without power are going to have a rough time with the coming bad weather, his response was "I hope they get slammed."

Now I remember why I loath election season.

183 Skip Intro  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:07:30pm
A few years ago, I would not have believed that apologists for the Confederacy actually existed.

Not in public, like now, but they've never gone away. The New Confederacy is what the existing GOP could easily morph into.

184 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:08:12pm

re: #180 BongGhazi

Speaking as a Mainer who has never been more proud of his state, let me be the first to say: No. Great. Fucking. Loss.

And guess what? My sister's getting married in January!!

I loved spending vacations in Main with my family, typically because it would be summer vacations and we'd go out for ice cream EVERY night!

185 b_Snark  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:08:42pm

re: #178 Jadewater

I know. I think I might be so oppressed that I don't even feel oppressed.

I know I feel oppressed. Well, not really.

I've given up the freedom to pay for my own medical care for the tyranny of not going broke if I have a medical problem, all for a small bit of money I pay in taxes every year.

186 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:08:45pm

re: #182 Targetpractice

Don't know which run-in with a "conservative" rankled me more today. First was one of our regulars at the shop, a well-to-do fellow who owns his own computer security company in town and has tried twice for elected office as a Republican (lost primary for US House seat, lost election for local seat). Came into the shop today and told me about how he's worried about his family and their future, before telling me with a little grin about how he'll "have" to cancel health insurance for his employees because now Obamacare can "take care of them."

Second was my old man, which just left me depressed. Man hardly talked politics up til recently, at least in my presence, but now he's acting like a totally sore loser over the election. When I mentioned stories about how folks up in New England still without power are going to have a rough time with the coming bad weather, his response was "I hope they get slammed."

Now I remember why I loath election season.

187 Stanghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:10:19pm

re: #182 Targetpractice

Don't know which run-in with a "conservative" rankled me more today. First was one of our regulars at the shop, a well-to-do fellow who owns his own computer security company in town and has tried twice for elected office as a Republican (lost primary for US House seat, lost election for local seat). Came into the shop today and told me about how he's worried about his family and their future, before telling me with a little grin about how he'll "have" to cancel health insurance for his employees because now Obamacare can "take care of them."

Second was my old man, which just left me depressed. Man hardly talked politics up til recently, at least in my presence, but now he's acting like a totally sore loser over the election. When I mentioned stories about how folks up in New England still without power are going to have a rough time with the coming bad weather, his response was "I hope they get slammed."

Now I remember why I loath election season.

My office was very depressed. I held my tongue. The only thing I did say was Pot won and the rape dudes lost.

188 darthstar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:10:27pm

Watching O'Reilly...his focus is on whether his audience approved of his coverage...insecure little prick.

189 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:10:40pm

re: #186 Gus

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No.
Dec. 21.

190 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:11:12pm

re: #186 Gus

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That's just it, my mother's pretty apolitical, she couldn't really care less who's in the White House so long as things are chugging along. But my old man, whose political acumen seems to run as far as party loyalty due to being a Navy veteran, is absolutely impossible. Worse, I can't debate it with him because he'll just get pissed and last thing I can afford right now is to get thrown out because I challenged his world view.

191 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:11:50pm

re: #190 Targetpractice

That's just it, my mother's pretty apolitical, she couldn't really care less who's in the White House so long as things are chugging along. But my old man, whose political acumen seems to run as far as party loyalty due to being a Navy veteran, is absolutely impossible. Worse, I can't debate it with him because he'll just get pissed and last thing I can afford right now is to get thrown out because I challenged his world view.

Geez, my dad is the same exact way.

192 BongCrodny  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:12:40pm

re: #184 jamesfirecat

I loved spending vacations in Main with my family, typically because it would be summer vacations and we'd go out for ice cream EVERY night!

Oh, yeah. Mainers love their ice cream. It seems like you can't drive five miles around the Down East area without running into an ice cream stand.

However, I confess to still not being able to work up the enthusiasm to try lobster-flavored ice cream.

193 alpuz  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:13:16pm

re: #173 calochortus

It's gonna be Texas. It's always Texas. Boy are they going to be surprised.

194 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:13:25pm

re: #191 Varek Raith

Geez, my dad is the same exact way.

Called him up and the first thing he did was made a 57 state joke about PR.
Except, he wasn't joking.
Ah well.

195 aagcobb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:13:50pm

re: #190 Targetpractice

That's just it, my mother's pretty apolitical, she couldn't really care less who's in the White House so long as things are chugging along. But my old man, whose political acumen seems to run as far as party loyalty due to being a Navy veteran, is absolutely impossible. Worse, I can't debate it with him because he'll just get pissed and last thing I can afford right now is to get thrown out because I challenged his world view.

One of the great things about the internet is being able to express yourself freely and anonymously.

196 GatorsEatsTaters  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:14:07pm

Here is the way I see it & my 2 cents: There have not been any major ideological shifts or big demographic changes in the last 10 years, and yet in that short time we have seen huge election victories bouncing back in forth between both parties, republican's in 00 and 04, democrat's in 06 and 08, republican's in 10 and now back to democrats. So what this basically means to me is that most voters don't vote by party, and more importantly they do not so much vote FOR someone as they vote AGAINST the ones in power when things are going bad (whether those in power are actually responsible for the problem or are capable of dealing with it is irrelevant). Hence, I expect if things get worse in the next 2 to 4 years we will once again see republicans voted in again in big numbers as a way of showing discontent with the democrats.

197 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:14:58pm

re: #195 aagcobb

One of the great things about the internet is being able to express yourself freely and anonymously.

Nuke the bees!

198 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:14:59pm

re: #190 Targetpractice

That's just it, my mother's pretty apolitical, she couldn't really care less who's in the White House so long as things are chugging along. But my old man, whose political acumen seems to run as far as party loyalty due to being a Navy veteran, is absolutely impossible. Worse, I can't debate it with him because he'll just get pissed and last thing I can afford right now is to get thrown out because I challenged his world view.

My folks weren't too political. They were sort of like Reagan Democrats. "All In the Family" was the cause of big changes in our outlook. Seriously. That one show had a big effect on us. I think I eventually converted them into agnostics. Not sure since I really don't ask them what they believe in. They know I'm an atheist. Anyway, they voted for Nader in 2000. My mom is pretty left and my dad not so much. They hated Bush II and pretty sure they voted for Obama in 2008 and again in 2012. They thought I was pretty whacky during my wingnut years during Bush II because sometimes, well, I used to get wingnut freaky on them on occasion.

199 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:15:27pm

re: #195 aagcobb

One of the great things about the internet is being able to express yourself freely and anonymously.

Ayep. In the real world, think I'll just spend the next few days avoiding him. See if something else captures his attention.

200 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:16:19pm

re: #197 Varek Raith

Nuke the bees!

You think too small. Nuke the moon!

201 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:16:27pm
202 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:17:13pm

re: #158 Gus

On the road to peak wingnut.

Beyond peak wingnut is just another higher, weirder peak... and so on.

203 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:17:22pm

My dad was a Dem until he started watching Beck.
Still don't get that.
He was a teaparty supporter until he went to an event. He hated the overt religious nature of the event.

204 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:18:01pm

re: #201 wrenchwench

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Nah, they still care about it. It's just, without the possibility of it affecting the election anymore, they're suddenly content to just mutter and grumble about it until after the inauguration.

205 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:18:45pm

Anyone happen to know of any steampunk robot names?

206 RadicalModerate  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:18:50pm

re: #177 EPR-radar

A few years ago, I would not have believed that apologists for the Confederacy actually existed.

Revisionist history, denial of science and elevating faith over reason in all matters seem to be the bedrock principles of the GOP cargo cult.

They've never gone away in the Southern US - many of the southern racists went to front conservative Christian organizations (see FRC's Tony Perkins as an example of this), and have had a significant resurgence with the rise of social conservatism in the past decade.

207 calochortus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:19:04pm

re: #185 b_snark

I know I feel oppressed. Well, not really.

I've given up the freedom to pay for my own medical care for the tyranny of not going broke if I have a medical problem, all for a small bit of money I pay in taxes every year.

I'd love to share that oppression.

208 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:19:24pm

re: #82 goddamnedfrank

I did buy a gun today. Only because Beretta 21a Bobcats are impossible to buy new in California due to not being on the approved list, so you have to wait until a nice used one becomes available and pounce on it.

I sold my Mauser C96 today on Gunbroker. I'll buy reloading supplies out of the proceeds so that I can afford to keep shooting while the hoarders go nuts.

So is the 10 day wait straight calendar days or buisness days? The Wisconsin 48 hours is bad enough, that would drive me nuts.

209 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:20:30pm

re: #205 Varek Raith

Brasstone Bragg?

210 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:20:34pm

re: #204 Targetpractice

Nah, they still care about it. It's just, without the possibility of it affecting the election anymore, they're suddenly content to just mutter and grumble about it until after the inauguration.

The House can always do their job --- hold hearings and investigations on Benghazi.

//

211 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:20:43pm

re: #205 Varek Raith

Anyone happen to know of any steampunk robot names?

Boilerplate

212 Varek Raith  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:21:27pm

Brasstone Boilerplate.
Love it.
Thanks.

213 Stanghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:21:35pm

Speaking of the confederacy, very depressed to read about the ass holes at Ole Miss clinging to the stereotype.

The SEC says thanks for the PR.

214 wrenchwench  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:23:17pm
215 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:24:58pm

re: #178 Jadewater

I know. I think I might be so oppressed that I don't even feel oppressed.

It is just the effects of "Stockholm syndrome" you don't realize that your really a prisoner to the socialist elites.

///

216 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:25:24pm
217 b_Snark  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:26:27pm

re: #215 ghazidor

It is just the effects of "Stockholm syndrome" you don't realize that your really a prisoner to the socialist elites.

///

More like Ottawa syndrome.

As long as we never suffer Calgary syndrome

218 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:28:13pm

Ha! Good luck with this.

From my reading they're saying the same old tired thing about Romney "not being conservative enough."

219 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:29:16pm

re: #179 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Confederate apologists I knew about. I had even heard of Holocaust deniers, although I never met one until I went to JREF. The ones that took me aback were Pearl Harbor revisionists.

Is this just the business of FDR allegedly getting the carriers out of Pearl Harbor and deliberately letting the rest of the fleet get hit, or outright denial of the events of the day?

220 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:30:10pm
221 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:30:59pm

re: #129 calochortus

I'm seeing a lot of threads on FR along the lines of "Where can I move to that will be perfect?"

Strangely, no one seems to be able to come up with someplace that has services without taxes or government interference and a low cost of living. Some speak of libertarian paradises like Germany, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, others simply advise moving to Texas...

That should be their first clue. America is the last country in the developed world to adopt some sort of government role in healthcare. There is no functioning real world model American conservatives can point to as a model for their policies.

222 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:31:34pm

re: #179 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Confederate apologists I knew about. I had even heard of Holocaust deniers, although I never met one until I went to JREF. The ones that took me aback were Pearl Harbor revisionists.

The 9/11 Truthers of the past...

223 darthstar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:32:05pm

Today's installment of "The Chronicles of Mitt" is priceless.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

224 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:32:59pm

re: #219 EPR-radar

Is this just the business of FDR allegedly getting the carriers out of Pearl Harbor and deliberately letting the rest of the fleet get hit, or outright denial of the events of the day?

The deliberately letting the fleet get hit so it would drag the United states into WWII conspiracy theorists.

225 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:33:14pm

re: #218 Gus

Ha! Good luck with this.

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From my reading they're saying the same old tired thing about Romney "not being conservative enough."

There's some of that going around but overall wingnut reaction had been better than I expected. We'll have to wait a few years to see where the party goes. It should be interesting.

226 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:33:55pm

re: #196 GatorsEatsTaters

Here is the way I see it & my 2 cents: There have not been any major ideological shifts or big demographic changes in the last 10 years, and yet in that short time we have seen huge election victories bouncing back in forth between both parties, republican's in 00 and 04, democrat's in 06 and 08, republican's in 10 and now back to democrats. So what this basically means to me is that most voters don't vote by party, and more importantly they do not so much vote FOR someone as they vote AGAINST the ones in power when things are going bad (whether those in power are actually responsible for the problem or are capable of dealing with it is irrelevant). Hence, I expect if things get worse in the next 2 to 4 years we will once again see republicans voted in again in big numbers as a way of showing discontent with the democrats.

The '00 election was not a HUGE victory for the GOP, they won by the tiniest of margins.

227 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:36:47pm

re: #225 Killgore Trout

There's some of that going around but overall wingnut reaction had been better than I expected. We'll have to wait a few years to see where the party goes. It should be interesting.

They seem pretty wound up to me. Give it a couple of days. They're still in shock.

228 Killgore Trout  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:39:45pm

re: #226 Vicious Babushka

The '00 election was not a HUGE victory for the GOP, they won by the tiniest of margins.

But he does have a point. There is a pendulum effect in American politics. One of the most reliable is that we almost always elect a congress opposite the executive within a cycle or two. Republicans should have already gained both houses by now. I think that's one of the things giving Republican insiders fits. They blew easy political gains by engaging in this nonsense. The party has become its own worst enemy.

229 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:48:34pm

re: #208 William Barnett-Lewis

I sold my Mauser C96 today on Gunbroker. I'll buy reloading supplies out of the proceeds so that I can afford to keep shooting while the hoarders go nuts.

So is the 10 day wait straight calendar days or buisness days? The Wisconsin 48 hours is bad enough, that would drive me nuts.

Actually it's 10 24 hour periods, so the pick up is specified down to the minute. However I can't pick up the Bobcat until December 3rd because there's a rule that handguns on consignment must live in the shop for 30 days before they can be released. The shop will run the DROS 10 days before pick up, then I have 20 days to pick it up or it has to be DROSed again.

230 Obdicut  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 5:53:19pm

re: #228 Killgore Trout

But he does have a point. There is a pendulum effect in American politics. One of the most reliable is that we almost always elect a congress opposite the executive within a cycle or two.

That's not likely to be a pendulum effect. Correlation isn't causation.

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:11:58pm

re: #69 SpikeDad

Dear RWNJs - Fucking do it. Take your kids and wive(s) and slaves and head for the hills. Please don't, however expect the socialist, communist society you're leaving to grant it's services to you - no water, no electricity, no Internet, no sewer, no police, no fire services, no hospital or medical services, no modern farm equipment.

Please live off the land, put up a big fence and stay behind it. Your former fellow citizens thank you.

They won't. They're gonna stay right here and bitch the whole time.

232 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:26:48pm

re: #132 SpaceJesus

Let's seriously entertain giving Freepers and the like their own country. Oklahoma for instance.

We marched the Cherokee out there after taking their original lands. I don't think they're going to be best pleased if we march the Freepers in there too. Adding insult to injury.

233 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:28:00pm

re: #140 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

I know a lesbian couple with a kid. The kid will obviously have to be removed from the infected household and reprogrammed in a secure facility.

I tried to do that with my husband, but he's still a WoW fanatic. I blame his moms.

234 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:29:04pm

re: #146 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Yep. I mean, clearly the trailer parks back in fish country are far superior to a liberal commune like San Francisco.

Eh, it depends what you're used to. Some friends of mine are saving feverishly to move to rural Montana from the Bay Area. She's from there, he's from hellandgone Georgia.

I would go mad. They love it.

235 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:32:04pm

re: #164 Gus

"I'm sorry Bob but I have to fire you. I can't have someone working here living in sin as you are having lived with Gary all these years out of wedlock."

IIRC, that's sort of the means that Roxelana used to get Suleiman the Magnificent to marry her. (Turkish sultans didn't tend to get married.) She converted to Islam, which thrilled him, and then pointed out that a Muslim woman couldn't live in SIN with someone.

He crumbled. She was a redhead. They're kind of hard to resist.

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:35:09pm

re: #194 Varek Raith

Called him up and the first thing he did was made a 57 state joke about PR.
Except, he wasn't joking.
Ah well.

I'm very concerned about Puerto Rico. If they come in, we're going to have to reorganize the flag somehow. Fifty is such a nice tidy block.

My husband, who grew up in Hawaii, is pleased, because Hawaii will no longer be the 'baby state'.

237 Decider  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:04:40pm

Republican hatred of Obama is like cornflakes and milk. No Obama, no ratings. Fox News, Glenn Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh and the rest should be happy that they get to make a great living over the next 4 years from Obama bashing.

238 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 5:44:48am

re: #56 Gus

Gelernter was injured badly by a Unabomber package in '93. I think the trauma did some psychological damage, too.

239 wheat-dogghazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:20:33am

re: #179 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Pearl Harbor revisionists? Are those the ones that argue that FDR goaded the Japanese into bombing Pearl, just so the USA could join WWII? Or are they the ones that say the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

240 SidewaysQuark  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:47:43am

Apparently, you have to hate America and give up on its future to be a TRVE PATRIOT.


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