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Congratulations to Barack Obama and Joe Biden. My best wishes for the next four years.

My thanks go to those who made it happen. Here are some examples of people who know how to get it done.

Allegro.

[…]

By the time we’d made the loop around the park and were about ready to say goodnight, I laughed and said “Gee, you said you were sick of politics and what do I do but get on my soapbox!” She said that when I talk about it, it’s fun and interesting and she wants to hear more. It’s just the bits she hears on news broadcasts that she’s annoyed with because they don’t tell her anything - it’s just fragmented sound-bites that she doesn’t trust or understand because she doesn’t follow the back-stories. Now that I’m filling in some of the pieces (in my own inimitable way - I’m nothing if not colorful when I get worked up about something) she’s getting interested in finding out more.

I even have her now looking forward to watching the upcoming debates with me. This is huge. Turning Texas blue, one low-info voter at a time. :D

Read the whole thing!

Decatur Deb.

Wife and I are awaiting our Florida registration training packet—we should be registering students at one of the universities this week as they sign up for classes.

OhNoZombies!

I am proud to announce that I have been asked to bring a stack of voter registration papers to my husband’s mother’s church.
It’s awesome because some of these people haven’t voted in 25 years!
{{happy dance in progress}}

Stanley Sea.

I just registered with voterides.com

Via a tweet I got. Providing rides on election day. I’ll take off & drive all day. Hopefully it gets out there.

Obdicut.

I’m doing get out the vote stuff. I suggest anyone with any spare time do the same.

EmmaAnne.

Yep. Just delivered voter guides today, to coincide with people receiving their mail-in ballots. This reminds our people to vote, and encourages them to vote the whole ballot.

And PhillyPretzel.

I have to be at the polls at 7am until 8pm. A very long day.

Those are just a few examples I’ve found here over the last couple of months. Thanks to all of you who did anything, even if it was just to vote. But extra thanks to those who did more. It worked!

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678 comments

1 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:37:25pm

AND THEY DID IT ALL FOR FREE?!?

2 Charles Johnson  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:37:46pm

Great post, ww. And thanks from me too.

3 nines09  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:38:35pm

I tip my hat and give you all MAJOR Props. My heartfelt thanks and total respect.

4 allegro  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:43:15pm

Wow, didn't expect to see that! Thanks, wench! The end of that story is that my friend did vote a straight Dem ticket for the first time ever and is now paying attention to politics. Yeah, I call that a win!

5 philosophus invidius  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:44:05pm

A lot of people said that Obama voters were less enthusiastic this time around. Not me. I did some GOTV canvassing for the first time in my life this year here in my (swing) state.

Mitt Romney and the rest of the Republicans motivated me more than than they did last time. I never had the feeling that John McCain was going to destroy the country.

6 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:45:04pm

Like Obama said, this victory belongs to you. For everyone who contributed their time and sweat and dreams, good job. You've done us proud.

7 makeitstop  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:46:16pm

Standing O, for every one of you. Well done.

8 Stanghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:49:50pm

What an excellent post. It really was a push by the Dems. The desire was STRONG.

Unfortunately (and thanks so much for listing my attempt) I'm living in an extremely apathetic area, or as in my home, a no precinct area - vote by mail only - I did not get one reply. :(

But whatever, it was done.

9 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:51:20pm

re: #5 Euesperides invidius

A lot of people said that Obama voters were less enthusiastic this time around. Not me. I did some GOTV canvassing for the first time in my life this year here in my (swing) state.

Mitt Romney and the rest of the Republicans motivated me more than than they did last time. I never had the feeling that John McCain was going to destroy the country.

That's one of those terms I got tired of after awhile: "enthusiasm gap." I cannot remember running into too many wingnuts who were enthusiastic about voting for Willard. They voted for the party, not the man.

10 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:52:45pm

i used to correspond personally with this moron:

1. The destruction of the health care system resulting in higher costs, increased waiting time, reduced access to doctors for seniors, and earlier deaths due to the concept of “pathway to death”.
2. Elimination of the goal of energy independence via the destruction of new fracking techniques
3. Increase energy costs, particularly electricity, coupled with more outages and brownouts.
4. A deep recession due to ideological beliefs in “fairness” rather than effectiveness, resulting in higher taxes with little reduced spending, and much higher national debt.
5. An acceleration of inflation that Bernanke will be unable to stop once it gets a foothold.
6. Much higher unemployment and reduction of personal earnings because of recession and costs of ObamaCare
7. A decreased level of individual liberty coupled with an increase in the power of the Federal government.
8. An extremely weak foreign policy that turns us into a “paper tiger”.
9. The destruction of Israel and the rise of Iran as a nuclear power and the most powerful state in the Middle East
10. Dodd – Frank will mark the end of the community banks and the enshrinement of the “Too Big To Fail” banks.
11. Crony Capitalism will replace capitalism, prices will increase, and service levels will decrease.

it's a kind of omnium gatherum of ignorance misconceptions about 'liberals', eagerly believing the scare tactics used in campaigns, and general stupidity

buy gold becuz of the giantz inflation which will appear any day wekk month year decade now, crony capitalism doesn't mean what it really means, liberals are totalitarians, i believe the mischaracterization of obamacare not the reality, killing osama bin laden and dronestrikes make us look weak, energy regulation means no energy, etc

11 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:53:44pm

Really want Florida. The county where we did our last two trips went 70.1 percent for Obama, the highest county in the state. (Honest disclaimer--it's also the only majority Black county. We still exceeded that demographic advantage by about 10-20 percent.)

12 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:53:45pm

same crap, different moron

- This recession will become the Great Depression II (just as FDR kept getting re-elected). It might take a global calamity like WWII again to snap out of it.
- A lost generation: My nieces and nephews are coming of age. Really smart kids, but they don't see any open paths to a career. Working retail and food service now and for the foreseeable future.
- A highly-politicized Dept of Justice running amok, targeting private citizens (like us!) for opposing The Agenda.
- The death and suffering of my many friends and their families in Israel.
- My years of savings and investments for retirement becoming mostly worthless, as I am forced to retire on government largess.
- Medical research, for decades one of the brightest lights of our society, getting extinguished - along with the hopes of millions who were counting on these advancements.

13 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:55:18pm

re: #12 engineer cat

same crap, different moron

- This recession will become the Great Depression II (just as FDR kept getting re-elected). It might take a global calamity like WWII again to snap out of it.
- A lost generation: My nieces and nephews are coming of age. Really smart kids, but they don't see any open paths to a career. Working retail and food service now and for the foreseeable future.
- A highly-politicized Dept of Justice running amok, targeting private citizens (like us!) for opposing The Agenda.
- The death and suffering of my many friends and their families in Israel.
- My years of savings and investments for retirement becoming mostly worthless, as I am forced to retire on government largess.
- Medical research, for decades one of the brightest lights of our society, getting extinguished - along with the hopes of millions who were counting on these advancements.

Freep-quality loonieness.

14 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:55:35pm

This is worth passing along

'World of Warcraft'-playing candidate wins election

Maine's GOP had accused Lachowicz — a 48-year-old health-care worker — of living a "bizarre double life" and set up a website revealing her participation in "World of Warcraft." Not only did the site show off a picture of the orc rogue assassin character she plays, it also dug up online comments she made about her love of the (sometimes violent) game. The Republican Party also sent out mailers as well as a press release claiming her "disturbing alter-ego" had been "revealed."

...

And then, on Tuesday night, Lachowicz beat Martin with the final vote tally at 8,666 to 7,753. Despite the small numbers, it was a big win, especially since the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee had labeled Maine's District 25 state senate race one of the key battlegrounds in the country.

15 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:55:40pm

re: #11 Decatur Deb

Really want Florida. The county where we did our last two trips went 70.1 percent for Obama, the highest county in the state. (Honest disclaimer--it's also the only majority Black county. We still exceeded that demographic advantage by about 10-20 percent.)

What an embarrassment. They're still counting their votes even after promising to release them this afternoon.

16 McSpiff  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:57:15pm

From a Canadian friend, thanks to all those who worked hard on the Obama campaign. While we will always have our differences, a strong and healthy America will always be best for all. Special thanks to those in Michigan! I was in Baltimore last week, and I'll be in Seattle and DC the next few weeks. Hope I can still catch some election fever!

17 researchok  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:57:19pm

re: #15 Gus

They misplaced their reading glasses.

18 prairiefire  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 6:59:51pm

Great post, Wench! Thanks, everyone. I am so happy today.

19 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:00:09pm

re: #14 dragonath

This is worth passing along

'World of Warcraft'-playing candidate wins election

Wait, so now the Horde has representation in Maine?

20 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:00:24pm

Eh, who needs Florida.

//

21 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:00:51pm

re: #17 researchok

They misplaced their reading glasses.

Depending on local issues some of the ballots went to six pages or more. there were 11 amendments. We fought the intentional suppressive effect by pushing mail and early voting hard.

22 Stanghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:01:17pm

re: #11 Decatur Deb

Really want Florida. The county where we did our last two trips went 70.1 percent for Obama, the highest county in the state. (Honest disclaimer--it's also the only majority Black county. We still exceeded that demographic advantage by about 10-20 percent.)

I would love to read about the details of your experience. Start typing Mr.

23 Linden Arden  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:01:31pm

"They" keep talking about how important the ground game is. Now I can see why thanks to this post, wench.

People matter when they get involved and President Obama makes that happen.

Congrats all. Regular people beat the Koch and Adelson money. Democracy lives.

24 Destro  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:02:52pm

I REVENGED!!! I mean voted.

25 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:06:36pm

re: #24 Destro

I REVENGED!!! I mean voted.

Me too. Every time I filled out a little scantron box next to the name of a Democrat, I pretended I was gouging a conservative's eye out with a rusty spoon. Because, as a liberal motivated by nothing but hatred and a desire to punish my enemies, that's how I roll.

26 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:06:57pm

re: #22 Stanghazi

I would love to read about the details of your experience. Start typing Mr.

It got to be fun, but I'll just do the best moment: A nice, nicedly-dressed Republican lady engaged us on a registration drive. She said watching "2016" would really change our minds. Imagine what it does to a Republican's morale to see an old white coot and a woman with a walker registering kids.

That was the week after the TPGOP had to 'suspend' their mercenary registration effort in 5 swing states because their contractor, Sproul, was caught dirty.

27 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:08:15pm

Hugs for WW, all my fellow reptiles, and to the King Crocodile himself.
We're all in this together.
I truly and deeply believe this.
Forward.

(Also, I wanted to make a wing-nut or two cry.)

28 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:11:07pm

re: #25 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Me too. Every time I filled out a little scantron box next to the name of a Democrat, I pretended I was gouging a conservative's eye out with a rusty spoon. Because, as a liberal motivated by nothing but hatered and a desire to punish my enemies, that's how I roll.

I know as a non-conservative, my every waking thought and action means baby Jesus sheds another tear, and I'm perfectly okay with that.

Monstrous, I know.

29 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:15:40pm

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30 ninja cat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:16:58pm

Thank you all. Truly fighting the good fight.

31 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:17:27pm

My wife and I are resting after working hard the last few days for Obama and Elizabeth Warren. But it may be only a temporary respite if John Kerry gives up his Senate seat to join the Administration - he's rumored to be a strong candidate for Secretary of State. If so, there will be a special election this year to fill his seat. The Republican candidate would almost certainly be Scott Brown, and my guess is that Mike Capuano would oppose him. In that case Capuano's got himself a couple of potential volunteers right here.

32 Linden Arden  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:19:49pm

re: #31 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

I am opposed to Kerry at State and support Samantha Power. I suspect rumor is just that and nothing more.

33 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:20:01pm

Heartening news out of New Hampshire:

NH House flips back into Democratic control

They also have a new governor, Maggie Hassan:

During her tenure as a state senator, Hassan fought for low taxes, affordable health care and education. She helped pass a bill for universal kindergarten in the state and helped raise the legal high school dropout age to 18. Hassan also fought to pass Conner's Law, which requires insurance companies to cover treatment for autism.

As governor, Hassan has pledged to veto any state sales or income tax in New Hampshire. During the campaign she was endorsed by former president Bill Clinton and the National Education Association for New Hampshire. She is only the second woman ever elected as governor of the state.

See, libertarians and democrats can get along!

34 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:20:30pm

What Do Rich Douchenozzles Get Out of Buying Politicians?

It’s also important to remember that the rich are people just like you and me. There’s nothing about being rich that makes you smarter than everyone else. On the contrary, they’re often a lot stupider because no one ever tells them no. For someone who was a right wing nut to begin with, being super rich is going to turn you into a monster. No matter how wild your right wing delusions, no matter how sadistic your ideology, people are going to swarm around you, validating your every move. These guys quite literally have nothing better to do than sit around stewing about all the poor people and sexy young women (whose genuine affections they have to know are unpurchasable, even as they can purchase access to some of their bodies) just walk around free, fundamentally out of their control. They control their homes, their families, and their employees, but if you’re outside of that circle, they don’t own your ass, and that galls many of these angry old rich dudes. From their point of view, what good is having all that money if you can’t use it to expand your circle of control?

35 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:20:50pm

More than 792,000 ballots uncounted in L.A. County, registrar says

An estimated 792,660 ballots have yet to be processed in Los Angeles County, elections chief Dean Logan said Wednesday.

San Diego county estimates it has slightly less than half a million ballots to count.

Add then all the other big counties, and some races, even ballot measures, may yet change, including some for the US House.

36 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:21:22pm

Big Money got kicked in the nutz by the real Citizens United last night.
Next move: get that impostor repealed...

37 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:22:29pm

re: #10 engineer cat

i used to correspond personally with this moron:

4. A deep recession due to ideological beliefs in “fairness” rather than effectiveness, resulting in higher taxes with little reduced spending, and much higher national debt.

My observation to the people fixating on 'effectiveness' is that the gulags and the Holocaust were very effective.

Effective and good are not the same thing.

38 allegro  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:22:51pm

re: #11 Decatur Deb

Really want Florida. The county where we did our last two trips went 70.1 percent for Obama, the highest county in the state. (Honest disclaimer--it's also the only majority Black county. We still exceeded that demographic advantage by about 10-20 percent.)

I thought about you last night while watching CNN. A lady who had worked for Bush said several times that Obama's GOTV in Fla. was exemplary and completely outshone the Romney ground game. Y'all blew them outa the water and she was glowing in her praise, saying they just weren't as prepared and couldn't compete with it. Kudos!!

39 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:23:15pm

re: #15 Gus

What an embarrassment. They're still counting their votes even after promising to release them this afternoon.

Once again my state has proven that it utterly sucks at the whole "adding up the votes" thingie. Here is the current status, note that only a few counties have counted provisional ballots and even less have counted any Federal absentee ballots (military, state department, etc.) yet.

[Link: enight.dos.state.fl.us...]

What is even more disgusting was the serious mis-allocation of resources that resulted in no wait voting in many Republican areas and people still waiting in line for hours after the supposed poll closing time to vote in heavily democratic districts. That kind of partisan bullshit needs to be corrected before the next election cycle, even if it takes the courts to do so.

40 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:24:34pm

re: #37 Romantic Heretic

My observation to the people fixating on 'effectiveness' is that the gulags and the Holocaust were very effective.

Effective and good are not the same thing.

They were also quite effective at helping get Germany conquered by the allies.

Because.... surprise surprise.... when you're trying to fight a war... it doesn't help to have you using trains that should be moving troops and supplies to the front lines instead taking "undesirables" to some place to get executed...

41 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:24:51pm

re: #32 Linden Arden

I am opposed to Kerry at State and support Samantha Power. I suspect rumor is just that and nothing more.

I hadn't heard anything about Power. She certainly knows her stuff, but the last time she was prominently featured in the news it was for calling Hillary Clinton "a monster" in 2008. I know time heals all wounds, but that episode didn't speak well for her tactfulness.

42 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:24:56pm

re: #32 Linden Arden

I am opposed to Kerry at State and support Samantha Power. I suspect rumor is just that and nothing more.

Power's a something of a bete noire to many people and might draw filibuster threats. Kerry on the other hand would undoubtedly clear the Senate.

But I'd like to see Scott Brown return to the Senate that way. He's a good egg.

43 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:26:27pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

Power's a something of a bete noire to many people and might draw filibuster threats. Kerry on the other hand would undoubtedly clear the Senate.

But I'd like to see Scott Brown return to the Senate that way. He's a good egg.

What does that mean, exactly? That you'd like to have a beer with him, or that he's an effective representative for the people of Massachusetts?

44 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:26:34pm

I'd be okay with Kerry at SoS. He knows his foreign policy. He was actually my pick for SoS before Clinton got it.

45 bratwurst  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:27:27pm

Here is a little something from "I know you are but what am I?" land:

46 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:27:35pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

Power's a something of a bete noire to many people and might draw filibuster threats. Kerry on the other hand would undoubtedly clear the Senate.

But I'd like to see Scott Brown return to the Senate that way. He's a good egg.

Scott Brown can only win in Mass if his opponent throws him the election.

Also for a "good egg" his people said/did some pretty horrible things to Elizabeth Warren...

47 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:27:50pm
48 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:29:07pm

re: #45 bratwurst

Here is a little something from "I know you are but what am I?" land:

[Embedded content]

To which I say, no.
They were targeted because they are insane.

49 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:30:03pm

re: #45 bratwurst

Here is a little something from "I know you are but what am I?" land:

[Embedded content]

I'll admit that I don't know anything about Mia Love. Allen West was targeted because he's a crazy person. He doesn't get a pass for that just because he's a black crazy person. That would be racist.

50 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:30:57pm

Page Wars II: Revenge of the Return!

51 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:31:25pm
“It is certainly something that I don’t condone,” said Brown when asked about the video. “The real offense is that (Warren) said she was white and then checked the box saying she is Native American, and then she changed her profile in the law directory once she made her tenure.”

Elizabeth Warren...how dare you force Scott Brown's staff to do war whoops and tomahawk chops! Fake Indian affirmative action Professor!

Good egg.

52 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:31:51pm

re: #45 bratwurst

Here is a little something from "I know you are but what am I?" land:

[Embedded content]

Aren't these the same people who claim that the left is hysterical for claiming their opposition to Obama is racist? Pick a narrative assholes. Love was going against a Democratic incumbent in Utah no less where the "left" isn't that big and West is borderline insane. I also bet in West's district more black voters voted for Murphy than they did him. Typical right wing bullshit. It gets fucking old.

53 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:32:48pm

re: #38 allegro

I thought about you last night while watching CNN. A lady who had worked for Bush said several times that Obama's GOTV in Fla. was exemplary and completely outshone the Romney ground game. Y'all blew them outa the water and she was glowing in her praise, saying they just weren't as prepared and couldn't compete with it. Kudos!!

There was a hidden advantage--the OfA Dashboard page is just the front end of a really brilliant IT effort. Everything we did got entered and cross-matched instantly for the next contact. It was sophisticated enough to let our volunteers generate maps of the day's canvassing with contact lists organized to send a different team-member down odd and even sides of the streets. It also carried all our planning, training, feedback and scheduling requirements--what the Army calls a 'force multiplier'. There is a special group of IT professional volunteers to maintain and adapt it. With any luck it will be obsolete and replaced by the 2016 campaign. The motto for the micro-targeting was "metrics-driven, human-centered".

54 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:33:21pm

re: #51 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea

Elizabeth Warren...how dare you force Scott Brown's staff to do war whoops and tomahawk chops! Fake Indian affirmative action Professor!

Good egg.

I actually respected him some until he started playing that pathetic game.

55 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:34:44pm

re: #51 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea

Elizabeth Warren...how dare you force Scott Brown's staff to do war whoops and tomahawk chops! Fake Indian affirmative action Professor!

Good egg.

He was running for the Senate, for Pete's sake!

56 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:35:08pm

re: #40 jamesfirecat

They were also quite effective at helping get Germany conquered by the allies.

Because.... surprise surprise.... when you're trying to fight a war... it doesn't help to have you using trains that should be moving troops and supplies to the front lines instead taking "undesirables" to some place to get executed...

I only learned about that recently. You'd think that at my age I would stop being surprised at the depths of human idiocy.

But nooooooo!

57 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:35:08pm

National Racists Online head crafty-crafter (now that Derbyshire is gone) chimes in on one of the talking points of the election results:

On Whites in the Minority

In my London Spectator piece on the election, I gave this moderately optimistic view [...]:

The electoral overwhelming of the white majority may not have the effect that simple extrapolation suggests. Most Hispanics are white. Intermarriage is creating mixed and non-racial identities that further confuse ethnic categories. One effect could be an electorate that votes less and less along ethnic lines.

I don’t repent of this view. I think it is possible and I hope it is the path we take. But it would be false comfort (and the kind of irresponsible optimism I detest) not to mention a darker possibility. That possibility is that whites will develop a defensive minority consciousness in response both to their statistically weaker position.

[...]

Further, such hostile and defensive attitudes are more likely to spread when others are rejoicing in their fall from grace. Maybe the Internet has done no more than bring to light what was already present under stones and lichen, but I find some of racial slurs and insults around this theme on the Web slightly alarming.

[...]

O'Sullivan is concerned - nay, alarmed.

He's concerned that nasty folk beating up on whites online will cause said whites to turn towards racism.

Only on NRO.

58 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:37:51pm

So sick of hearing supposedly mainstream conservative publications whine about how whites don't have the influence we used to. So what? A country's demographics change. This country was originally predominately Protestant and of North and Western European stock. In the late 19th century we started getting more Catholics and people from Eastern and Southern Europe. America's strength is in our diversity and will continue to be.

59 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:38:06pm

Moments from the campaign trail.

60 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:38:14pm

Republicans To Obama On Taxes: Let’s Compromise By Not Raising Taxes

President Obama ran on raising taxes and won. House Republicans ran on not raising taxes, and got to keep their majority. So now the GOP is offering a familiar sounding compromise: let’s not raise taxes.

More specifically, Obama’s re-election, and the looming expiration of the Bush tax cuts, have made House Republicans’ prime imperative to preserve the current tax rates on high earners, which Obama campaigned and won on returning to Clinton era levels.

It’s a big ask, given the results of the election, and Obama’s long-standing pledge to veto legislation that extends all of the Bush tax cuts, even temporarily. Thus, their hopes rest on a vague suggestion that they’ll concede higher revenues in a future tax reform agreement with Obama, so long as he drops his demands for higher tax rates and agrees to cut entitlement spending.

This sounds familiar because it’s broadly speaking the same deficit cutting deal Republicans spent most of this past Congress pursuing — one that raises little, if any revenue, let alone revenue from high earners. And early signs indicate that Democrats won’t bite.

61 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:38:16pm

re: #54 HappyBenghazi

I actually respected him some until he started playing that pathetic game.

It wasn't just that that ticked me off, it was his little bit during the first debate with Warren, insisting on referring to her as "Professor," as though it were an insult.

62 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:39:46pm

re: #57 freetoken

The Corner is on a fucking tear.

There was this article where the actual argument was: all the things women seem to care about within reproductive rights are unimportant and illusory, but we have to convince women that what they're interested in doesn't matter and instead they should adhere to our talking points.

Oh, and liberals are the ones that hate women because they made a jocular reference to lady parts.

63 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:40:09pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

It wasn't just that that ticked me off, it was his little bit during the first debate with Warren, insisting on referring to her as "Professor," as though it were an insult.

Yeah, that's pretty lame too. The anti-intellectual rhetoric that dominates the modern Republican party drives me nuts. It's a world where being a professor is somehow a bad profession. Fuckers.

64 Stanghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:40:18pm

re: #26 Decatur Deb

It got to be fun, but I'll just do the best moment: A nice, nicedly-dressed Republican lady engaged us on a registration drive. She said watching "2016" would really change our minds. Imagine what it does to a Republican's morale to see an old white coot and a woman with a walker registering kids.

That was the week after the TPGOP had to 'suspend' their mercenary registration effort in 5 swing states because their contractor, Sproul, was caught dirty.

You did good. Very very good. Say hi to the Mrs.

65 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:40:29pm

re: #58 HappyBenghazi

So sick of hearing supposedly mainstream conservative publications whine about how whites don't have the influence we used to. So what? A country's demographics change. This country was originally predominately Protestant and of North and Western European stock. In the late 19th century we started getting more Catholics and people from Eastern and Southern Europe. America's strength is in our diversity and will continue to be.

It's also total bullshit because a) they're made up largely of white males and b) a huge part of the left, Democrats, etc., is also made up of white males. There's a lot of them. I'm one myself.

66 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:40:47pm

re: #60 Kragar

Republicans To Obama On Taxes: Let’s Compromise By Not Raising Taxes

In short, the Republicans are trying to act as though yesterday didn't happen and voters didn't throw this shit into the Dustbin of History.

67 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:41:50pm

re: #65 Gus

It's also total bullshit because a) they're made up largely of white males and b) a huge part of the left, Democrats, etc., is also made up of white males. There's a lot of them. I'm one myself.

Me too and unlike them I don't feel threatened by changing demographics. Hell I welcome them.

68 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:42:17pm

re: #57 freetoken

He's concerned that nasty folk beating up on whites online will cause said whites to turn towards racism.

Only on NRO.

It's not like white people have ever been racist before the Internet....

69 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:42:18pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

It wasn't just that that ticked me off, it was his little bit during the first debate with Warren, insisting on referring to her as "Professor," as though it were an insult.

His campaign literature did that too.

Another thing that really ticked me off was the Mass. Republican Party's anti-Warren mailings, which were devoid of all logic and just made it look like they were throwing a bunch of things at the wall to see which ones would stick. Not Brown's fault, perhaps (except for belonging to such a Party), but they did him no favors at all.

70 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:43:19pm

re: #61 Targetpractice

It wasn't just that that ticked me off, it was his little bit during the first debate with Warren, insisting on referring to her as "Professor," as though it were an insult.

He was trying to say that Warren is an academic, inexperienced in the real world. It's an angle of attack that sometimes works.

71 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:43:26pm

re: #60 Kragar

Republicans To Obama On Taxes: Let’s Compromise By Not Raising Taxes

Their leadership is either lying or not really in control of the process--that's why the 'grand bargain' brinksmanship got us to the credit downgrade and sequestration trap.

72 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:45:17pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

He was trying to say that Warren is an academic, inexperienced in the real world. It's an angle of attack that sometimes works.

Instead, it came off as insulting. No different that snickers over "community organizer."

73 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:45:31pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

He was trying to say that Warren is an academic, inexperienced in the real world. It's an angle of attack that sometimes works.

If you didn't hear the anti-intellectualism dog whistle Dark then I suggest you got to a doctor to get your ears examined.

Especially when Brown originally campaigned on being "an ordinary guy who drives a truck..."

74 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:46:22pm

re: #67 HappyBenghazi

Me too and unlike them I don't feel threatened by changing demographics. Hell I welcome them.

I came to in Brooklyn. Somewhere about when I was 4 years old there I was in the middle of this huge melting pot. Blacks, Hasidic Jews, Puerto Ricans, Italians, Chinese... We were the Argentinian immigrants. One aunt from Cuba another from Poland. And so on.

75 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:46:44pm

Wherein Free Republican descends 100% into misogyny and racism

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]


"Vanity: White Women Determine the Direction of the Country"

To: Kukai

Most white women are ignorant.

Ignorant of the racial realities of black race hatred of whites,of how the Obama Administration, and the Corrupt Liberal Media and the Fake Feminist turn a blind eye to the horrific rate of interracial, black on white rape.

All rapes are hate crimes. All interracial rapes are interracial hate crimes and black on white rapes are epidemic compared to the reverse.

Here are the facts:

Only 5 percent of all interracial forcible rapes are white on black,95 percent are black on white. This is a hate ratio of 19 to 1.

Only 2 percent of interracial sexual homicides (where the rape victim is also murdered) are white on black,98 percent are black on white. This is a hate ratio of 48 to 1

100 percent of sexual homicides of elderly women in modern times are black on white.This is a hate ratio of 100 to 1.

Yet Obama’s Attorney General,Eric “my people” Holder, has openly stated that white Americans are not protected by federal hate crime laws against racist attacks. Only Holder approved “protected groups” are. Holder sent 10 special FBI agents to Sanford Florida to see if Zimmerman had any racist statements or actions in his background, yet he has ignored thousands violent black hate crimes against whites and Hispanics and the racist hate rape of thousands of white women.

This is an issue that should be compelling and enraging to white women of all political views, yet the Corrupt Liberal Media keeps them ignorant of these facts, instead super sizing controversial statements of Republican politicians about rape while Obama turns a blind eye to rapes motivated by race hatred.

Knowledge is power. Ignorance is bliss. So many Americans are blissfully ignorant of the Obama racist policies on hate crime laws while Holder Youth attack whites in the schools, on the streets and in their homes.

That the Obama Administration has 4 more years to continue this hypocrisy could be a blessing in disguise if it pushes the white voter and some craven Republicans politicians to a tipping point and awakens them from their continued groveling before the Race Card.

We live in interesting times.

15 posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2012 6:59:46 AM by Uncle Lonny
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To: Kukai

Women should not be able to vote. The country has been moving to socialism since they got that right.

9 posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2012 6:19:44 AM by bmwcyle (Women reelected Obama)
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76 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:46:47pm

Netanyahu Rushes to Repair Damage With Obama

“This has not been a very good morning for Netanyahu,” a deputy prime minister, Eli Yishai of the religious Shas Party, told journalists in Eilat.

77 Linden Arden  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:46:55pm

re: #71 Decatur Deb

Boehner thinks people are too stupid to realize increased GDP raises revenue without any House action.

Of course no House action is his goal for 2013-14.

Just Do Nothing - the new GOP slogan.

78 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:47:24pm

re: #74 Gus

I came to in Brooklyn. Somewhere about when I was 4 years old there I was in the middle of this huge melting pot. Blacks, Hasidic Jews, Puerto Ricans, Italians, Chinese... We were the Argentinian immigrants. One aunt from Cuba another from Poland. And so on.

I grew up in a pretty diverse area too. Having Muslim classmates early on in my life I think prepared me easily to see through the anti-Islam industry.

79 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:47:40pm

re: #75 SpaceJesus

Wherein Free Republican descends 100% into misogyny and racism

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

"Vanity: White Women Determine the Direction of the Country"

Ugly shit there.

80 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:48:09pm

re: #79 Gus

Ugly shit there.

It's Freep. What do you expect?

81 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:48:19pm

re: #78 HappyBenghazi

I grew up in a pretty diverse area too. Having Muslim classmates early on in my life I think prepared me easily to see through the anti-Islam industry.

It wasn't uncommon to see some people treat my mom like shit.

82 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:48:56pm

re: #75 SpaceJesus

Are they talking about legitimate rapes or fake rapes?
/

83 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:48:57pm

More evidence of the GOP House moving towards cooperating with President Obama - not:

House GOP Set to Keep Hammering Obama's Energy Plans

[...]

Two powerful House Republican chairmen—Rep. Fred Upton of the Energy and Commerce Committee and Rep. Doc Hastings of the Natural Resources Committee—both won re-election. Other Republican lawmakers who hold prominent roles on the energy committees, Reps. Ed Whitfield of Kentucky and John Shimkus of Illinois, also hung on to their seats.

[...]

Republicans say they would step up scrutiny of Mr. Obama's energy and environmental plans. "I think [the Environmental Protection Agency] is stretching the boundaries of their power," a top Republican aide said. "I think you'll see a very energized House of Representatives going forward."

[...]

Republicans are planning to battle greenhouse-gas rules and hydraulic-fracturing standards, one Republican aide said. The GOP will also reserve firepower to attack Mr. Obama's policies on coal production and use.

"I think there's a huge philosophical gap between the House and the administration on energy issues," said Joe Stanko, head of federal government relations at the law firm Hunton & Williams. "I don't see any of that changing."

Energy companies generally favored Republican candidates in 2012. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, oil and natural-gas companies contributed more than nine times as much money to Republicans in 2012 as they did to Democrats. Mining companies contributed more than eight times as much to Republicans as Democrats.

[...]

84 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:49:30pm

I like how they blame women for the country's leftward turn. Women actually were a more Republican voting bloc than men for a long time.

85 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:49:33pm

re: #77 Linden Arden

Boehner thinks people are too stupid to realize increased GDP raises revenue without any House action.

Of course no House action is his goal for 2013-14.

Just Do Nothing - the new GOP slogan.

Nah, the GOP's trying to capitalize on the soundbite culture. Tell folks you're all for increased revenues, while not including "If by increasing revenues, you mean the myth that tax cuts lead to greater economic growth and higher tax revenue."

86 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:49:45pm

re: #81 Gus

It wasn't uncommon to see some people treat my mom like shit.

Bigotry sucks.

87 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:50:01pm

re: #83 freetoken

More evidence of the GOP House moving towards cooperating with President Obama - not:

House GOP Set to Keep Hammering Obama's Energy Plans

Sadly, that made me laugh.

88 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:50:04pm

re: #83 freetoken

Energy companies generally favored Republican candidates in 2012. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, oil and natural-gas companies contributed more than nine times as much money to Republicans in 2012 as they did to Democrats. Mining companies contributed more than eight times as much to Republicans as Democrats.

They must be demanding something for their money today.

89 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:52:18pm

re: #83 freetoken

More evidence of the GOP House moving towards cooperating with President Obama - not:

House GOP Set to Keep Hammering Obama's Energy Plans

I read stories like this and the "compromise" offered by Boehner, then wonder where this bass-ackwards logic that the Dems need to be the ones reaching out to Repubs is coming from. From all appearances, the GOP doesn't seem to think anything significant happened yesterday.

90 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:53:49pm

The best thing to do a corpse is bury it:

UnSkewed No More

To his credit, Dean Chambers has published a column that flatly states that he was wrong and in which he congratulates (although still does not apologize to) Nate Silver.

This quote struck me, however, for a couple of reasons:

UnSkewedPolls.com is just one web site and one project I did, and depending on your point of view it was proven wrong, it has run its course or it will fade away. It is merely a web site and only part of what I do and will do. There will be other web sites, and the more important web sites I work with will remain in place.

[...]

Apparently "right or wrong" depends upon one's "point of view". Who knew statistics was so touchy-feely?

91 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:54:36pm

re: #89 Targetpractice

I read stories like this and the "compromise" offered by Boehner, then wonder where this bass-ackwards logic that the Dems need to be the ones reaching out to Repubs is coming from. From all appearances, the GOP doesn't seem to think anything significant happened yesterday.

Because the House fundamentally didn't change.

92 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:55:19pm

re: #90 freetoken

The best thing to do a corpse is bury it:

UnSkewed No More

[...]

Apparently "right or wrong" depends upon one's "point of view". Who knew statistics was so touchy-feely?

Star Wars logic!

93 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:55:24pm

re: #89 Targetpractice

I read stories like this and the "compromise" offered by Boehner, then wonder where this bass-ackwards logic that the Dems need to be the ones reaching out to Repubs is coming from. From all appearances, the GOP doesn't seem to think anything significant happened yesterday.

GOP Compromise: "We were going to fuck you everyday, but since we lost, we'll only fuck you every other day. What could be more fair than that?"

94 dragonath  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:56:16pm
95 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:56:36pm

re: #70 Dark_Falcon

He was trying to say that Warren is an academic, inexperienced in the real world. It's an angle of attack that sometimes works.

academic = no real world experience

is true only in vaudeville, Agatha Christie novels, and SuperFuckingNoWayLand.

To imagine otherwise, you'd have to have never interacted with an academic.

Or be on the wingnut welfare writing articles for NRO. You know, sequestered from interacting with the real way in a manner that allows one to entertain simplistic and masturbatorial notions of realpolitic while haranging others about their naivete....

For example, coupling modern US liberalism and Nazism via the use of the word "socialist" (and Hitler's purported vegetarianism) while ignoring reams of available documents on National Socialist doctrine that contradict the claim....

96 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:56:57pm

re: #60 Kragar

Republicans To Obama On Taxes: Let’s Compromise By Not Raising Taxes

Brought to you by the same "more bound to our pledge to Grover Norquist than to the oath of office we took" dipshits who turned down the $10.00 in spending cuts for every $1.00 in raised revenues (taxes) offered by the Dems previously.

97 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:57:49pm

The midterms will be interesting since we'll see what kind of direction they want to go in. If we see more candidates nominated like this year and 2010 then I will remain skeptical of any future change within that party.

98 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:58:11pm

re: #89 Targetpractice

I read stories like this and the "compromise" offered by Boehner, then wonder where this bass-ackwards logic that the Dems need to be the ones reaching out to Repubs is coming from. From all appearances, the GOP doesn't seem to think anything significant happened yesterday.

Repeating my modest proposal from the previous thread --- take one of the House GOP's toys away by blowing off any future debt ceiling issues (16th amendment).

If the GOP will try to govern like a 3 year old having a meltdown, the Dems need to react accordingly.

99 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:58:35pm

re: #96 ghazidor

Brought to you by the same "more bound to our pledge to Grover Norquist than to the oath of office we took" dipshits who turned down the $10.00 in spending cuts for every $1.00 in raised revenues (taxes) offered by the Dems previously.

How Grover Norquist’s Radical Anti-Tax Pledge Sunk Top Tier Republican Senate Candidates

While not all races have been called, at least 55 Republican House incumbents or candidates who signed the pledge — and 24 Republican Senators or hopefuls — lost on Tuesday. Linda McMahon (R-CT), Senator Scott Brown (R-MA), Treasurer Josh Mandel (R-OH), Secretary of State Charles Summers (R-ME), former Gov. Tommy Thompson (R-CA) all signed the pledge and were attacked by their Democrats opponents in face-to-face debates over the issue. All five were defeated in their Senate bids.

State Sen. Tony Strickland (R-CA), Rep. Bob Dold (R-IL), State Sen. Richard Tisei (R-MA), and Rep. Frank Guita (R-NH) were also attacked by their House race opponents in debates for signing the pledge in this campaign or in the past. All four were also defeated.

In fact, of the fifteen-plus House Republican incumbents who apparently lost re-election, every single one had signed Norquist’s pledge.

100 Decatur Deb  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 7:59:05pm

re: #94 dragonath

The GOP, hurtling back to moderation:

‘Ten Commandments Judge’ Roy Moore Wins Back Alabama Supreme Court Seat

The Dems withdrew his first challenger because he was even crazier than Moore. Vance was his replacement, and there was supposedly some help from the GOP side because they know Moore is crazier than Vance. It's an Alabama thing.

101 Stanghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:00:13pm

re: #75 SpaceJesus

Wherein Free Republican descends 100% into misogyny and racism

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

"Vanity: White Women Determine the Direction of the Country"

Oh my fucking dog.

They are really digging their grave attacking women the day after. Who the fuck KNEW we had this power? We're to busy fighting for it to realize I guess.

102 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:00:18pm

re: #95 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea

academic = no real world experience

is true only in vaudeville, Agatha Christie novels, and SuperFuckingNoWayLand.

Every once in a while you can find someone whose lightbulb flickers, however dimly, when you point out to them that "academics" are "PhD-doctors" who write the textbooks that "MD-doctors" study in med school.

103 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:00:45pm

Nate's on the Daily Show tonight. Heads up East Coasters.

104 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:03:54pm
105 SpaceJesus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:05:08pm
To: tcrlaf

We have to destroy the treasonous media. Not sure how, but the country cannot survive if people keep drinking the kool-aid. Maybe it’s too late.

Come quickly, Lord Jesus!

87 posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2012 8:27:04 AM by butterdezillion
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Oh, I am. Coming to kick all your sexist, racist, geriatric asses

106 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:05:43pm

Google has yet again reworked their search engine front page, inching it closer towards the numb Youtube style with drop down menus.

107 Targetpractice  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:05:45pm

re: #105 SpaceJesus

Oh, I am. Coming to kick all your sexist, racist, geriatric asses

Praise Jebus!

//

108 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:06:57pm

Indeed, this latest new and improved Google I deem right down fucked up.

109 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:08:42pm

Anyone notice that the Freeper SpaceJesus quoted in #75 and NRO's O'Donnell are saying the same thing?

Black and Brown people are the ones that really hate White people...Whites are just being racist in self defense.

110 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:09:24pm

re: #99 Kragar

How Grover Norquist’s Radical Anti-Tax Pledge Sunk Top Tier Republican Senate Candidates

Not sure they should count Allan West. West denounced Norquist's pledge last year and said he'd not be bound by it. That however, is the bad thing about West losing: Norquist will put West's photo up on his "Defeated Pledge-Breakers Wall", as a warning to those who would defy him. Not kidding, BTW, Grover Norquist really does have such a wall of photos.

111 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:09:53pm

re: #57 freetoken

Unbelievable. The NRO article refers to generous "concessions" that a white majority may make if it holds overwhelming political power, and that such generosity may be less forthcoming as white political power decreases.

I'd like to know what these concessions are --- ending slavery? ending Jim Crow? Civil Rights Legislation? Affirmative Action?

Revolting way of looking at things.

112 allegro  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:12:09pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

Not sure they should count Allan West. West denounced Norquist's pledge last year and said he'd not be bound by it. That however, is the bad thing about West losing: Norquist will put West's photo up on his "Defeated Pledge-Breakers Wall", as a warning to those who would defy him. Not kidding, BTW, Grover Norquist really does have such a wall of photos.

I have questions: who the fuck is Grover Norquist and where did he come from? Why does anyone care what he says?

113 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:12:15pm

re: #111 EPR-radar

Unbelievable. The NRO article refers to generous "concessions" that a white majority may make if it holds overwhelming political power, and that such generosity may be less forthcoming as white political power decreases.

I'd like to know what these concessions are --- ending slavery? ending Jim Crow? Civil Rights Legislation? Affirmative Action?

Revolting way of looking at things.

It's what happens when you see yourself as a victim all the time.

114 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:12:39pm

re: #112 allegro

I have questions: who the fuck is Grover Norquist and where did he come from? Why does anyone care what he says?

I think he was a staffer in the Reagan administration.

115 Digital Display  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:13:01pm

So I posted several times that I thought Obama would win re-election.
I cautioned about a razor win in this race.
So from now on the only pols I will give credence to are Nate Silver or stripper poles.

116 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:13:15pm

re: #112 allegro

I have questions: who the fuck is Grover Norquist and where did he come from? Why does anyone care what he says?

Grover Norquist

Grover Glenn Norquist (born October 19, 1956) is an American lobbyist, conservative activist,[3] and founder and president of Americans for Tax Reform. He is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations.[4] He is known as the promoter of the "Taxpayer Protection Pledge", which was signed by 95% of all Republican Congressmen and all but one of the 2012 Republican presidential candidates, to oppose increases in marginal income tax rates for individuals and businesses, as well as net reductions or eliminations of deductions and credits without a matching reduced tax rate

117 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:13:34pm
118 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:13:58pm

re: #105 SpaceJesus

Oh, I am. Coming to kick all your sexist, racist, geriatric asses

Give 'em hell SpaceJesus!

119 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:14:45pm

re: #113 HappyBenghazi

It's what happens when you see yourself as a victim all the time.

Indeed. I spent some fraction of my life resentful of Affirmative Action. I have since recovered from this particular episode of stupidity.

120 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:15:02pm

re: #115 Digital Display

So I posted several times that I thought Obama would win re-election.
I cautioned about a razor win in this race.
So from now on the only pols I will give credence to are Nate Silver or stripper poles.

I for one am glad that people thought it would be a close race.

121 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:15:03pm

Tonight I have multiple reason for gratitude. I'm grateful Obama won. And I am very, very grateful to still have ten fingers after a work accident today. A crucible of molten silver slipped away from me, fell into the water and made a steam explosion that blew the crucible and a few ounces of silver at me like a bullet and shotgun pellets. All I got was a split knuckle where the crucible hit. A cut and bone bruise that will heal.

Then I apologized to the co workers that I put at risk with my slip. Damn I could have hurt those guys. I am grateful that I did not hurt any of my people with my slip up. Very humbling day.

122 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:16:44pm

More evidence of why yesterday's election wasn't as much a victory for Democrats as some would like to think:

Republicans Take Even More Control of the Tennessee Legislature

The super-majority wasn't a surprise.

It had been projected for weeks by Republicans across the state. Even Tennessee Democratic Party Chairman Chip Forrester told the Nashville Scene two weeks ago that the Democrats would be in the super-minority "unless lightning strikes."


There was rain on Tuesday, but there was no lightning. The GOP picked up enough seats in both the state House and Senate to hold a two-thirds majority in both chambers.

"For the first time in history, we're going to have a walk-out-proof majority, whether or not the Democrats want to participate or not, and I think that's a good thing for Tennessee," said Rep. Ryan Haynes on stage at the Knox County GOP's election night party at the Crowne Plaza ballroom downtown.

A few minutes later, Rep. Bill Dunn took the stage with Rep. Harry Brooks. "We've got a super-majority in the House and the Senate," Dunn said. "We're gonna git 'er done!" The ballroom cheered.

[...]

In short, if you thought the past two years of embarrassing national headlines were bad, prepare yourself—things might get worse.

The crowd at the Crowne Plaza was overwhelmingly white and dressed in red (or, in many men's case, wearing red ties). [...]

I wonder to what the pronoun " 'er " refers?

Anyway, in the TN state legislature the Democratic party is now irrelevant. Same in the IN legislature.

At the grass roots these red states are getting redder.

123 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:16:53pm

re: #121 Daniel Ballard

Tonight I have multiple reason for gratitude. I'm grateful Obama won. And I am very, very grateful to still have ten fingers after a work accident today. A crucible of molten silver slipped away from me, fell into the water and made a steam explosion that blew the crucible and a few ounces of silver at me like a bullet and shotgun pellets. All I got was a split knuckle where the crucible hit. A cut and bone bruise that will heal.

Then I apologized to the co workers that I put at risk with my slip. Damn I could have hurt those guys. I am grateful that I did not hurt any of my people with my slip up. Very humbling day.

Glad no one is was hurt badly, hope you heal quick.

124 BongCrodny  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:18:35pm

re: #116 Kragar

Grover Norquist

He is known as the promoter of the "Taxpayer Protection Pledge", which was signed by 95% of all Republican Congressmen and all but one of the 2012 Republican presidential candidates,

Would I be wrong in guessing that was Huntsman?

125 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:19:35pm

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

Not sure they should count Allan West. West denounced Norquist's pledge last year and said he'd not be bound by it. That however, is the bad thing about West losing: Norquist will put West's photo up on his "Defeated Pledge-Breakers Wall", as a warning to those who would defy him. Not kidding, BTW, Grover Norquist really does have such a wall of photos.

There's like...zero...downside to not having a convicted war criminal that imagines there's Communist infiltrators in the government in a position of power.

Also, what rube would imagine a correlation between Grover's wall and West's loss. Is Grover a wizard? Did he provide money to West's opponent? Vital information? Magic beans?

And furthermore, why are people that shit themselves over non-binding UN Resolutions swearing oaths to a lobbyist?

126 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:20:19pm

re: #122 freetoken

Remember, the Demographics are changing. In Tennessee, not only is there a high number of African Americans, the largest community of Kurds in the US resides in Nashville. Give it another 15-25 years.

127 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:20:43pm

re: #122 freetoken

More evidence of why yesterday's election wasn't as much a victory for Democrats as some would like to think:

Republicans Take Even More Control of the Tennessee Legislature

I wonder to what the pronoun " 'er " refers?

Anyway, in the TN state legislature the Democratic party is now irrelevant. Same in the IN legislature.

At the grass roots these red states are getting redder.

"Git 'er done!" is a phrase used by TV comedian "Larry the Cable Guy". It's not aimed at women. Mr. Dunn was just using a semi-popular TV line.

I myself will not use that line in the way Larry says it. I'll always say "Get it done!", as a result of how I was raised and my innate concern with doing things correctly.

128 philosophus invidius  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:20:51pm

re: #93 Kragar

GOP Compromise: "We were going to fuck you everyday, but since we lost, we'll only fuck you every other day. What could be more fair than that?"

Nelson Adelson: "Hey Boner. Do you like your job?"
Boehner: "Yes sir."
Adelson: "Well then you better not let Obama f*� with my taxes."
Boehner: "Don't worry about it. I'll go over the cliff to stop a tax hike. I swear! Whatever your want! I'll call a presser right now to prove it to you."
Adelson: "Are you *&@#ing kidding me Boner? I didn't know you were as stupid as Mitch McConnell. Now leave my office. I can't stand to see a grown man cry."

129 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:21:18pm

re: #122 freetoken

Well, the CA legislature may end up being 2/3 Democratic in both Senate and Assembly.

The blue states can get more blue.

130 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:24:25pm

re: #104 Gus

Is it wrong of me to admit that I was checking out Malia and thinking "whoa, she certainly is going to grow up to be a heartbreaker." I had to google her age just to make sure she wasn't older than I remembered.

No worries, I'll take my brain out back later and give it a stern talking to for having such questionable thoughts...

/

131 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:25:38pm

Copy that.

132 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:27:00pm

re: #105 SpaceJesus

Come quickly, Lord Jesus!

Been hearing a lot of this lately. Actually, I was thinking of trying to drive the thieves from the temple myself but, hey, if a guy with THAT kind of experience shows up He can sure have the job.
I hear He has awesome family connections as well.

133 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:27:42pm

re: #130 ghazidor

Is it wrong of me to admit that I was checking out Malia and thinking "whoa, she certainly is going to grow up to be a heartbreaker." I had to google her age just to make sure she wasn't older than I remembered.

No worries, I'll take my brain out back later and give it a stern talking to for having such questionable thoughts...

/

No, you included the qualifier "going to grow up to be". You know that she's got growing up to do, but you'd be hard-pressed not to notice she's prettier than most. That's not being a pervert, its being human.

134 DREd  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:29:05pm

Stacy McCain's twitter feed for the last 24 hours makes for some terrific reading. He's in total pearl clutching freakout mode. What a loser.

135 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:29:27pm

Jon Stewart was having the time of his life on tonight's show. It was epic.

136 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:29:52pm

One of the few bright spots from Texas, Marisa Perez won a seat on the SBOE:

[Link: www.facebook.com...]
[Link: www.mysanantonio.com...]

The arts have also been a focal point of her life. She has been a student of Ballet Folklorico and Flamenco for 24 years and an active member of the professional company, The Guadalupe Dance Company.

I think I have a crush on her.

137 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:30:05pm

re: #112 allegro

I have questions: who the fuck is Grover Norquist and where did he come from? Why does anyone care what he says?

Google is a wonderful and completely free resource, you should really check it out sometime...

///

138 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:30:13pm

re: #134 DREd

Stacy McCain's twitter feed for the last 24 hours makes for some terrific reading. He's in total pearl clutching freakout mode. What a loser.

You'd think they had never lost an election before...

139 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:31:03pm

Nice, Doris Kearns Goodwin on Colbert tonight.

140 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:31:17pm
141 Kronocide  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:31:58pm

re: #134 DREd

Stacy McCain's twitter feed for the last 24 hours makes for some terrific reading. He's in total pearl clutching freakout mode. What a loser.

He's practically dry humping sacks full of pearls.

142 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:32:08pm

re: #123 Dark_Falcon

Thank you and I will. Lesson learned.

143 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:33:31pm

re: #138 Benghazzy Ben Ross

You'd think they had never lost an election before...

To them it's literally the end of the world. It is also the end of their pretense of a monopoly on patriotism, given all the cursing of this country for electing a "socialist" and the number of deserters who have threatened to leave over it.

144 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:33:52pm

Don't know if anyone else has posted this, but this article describes the crazy data-mining and strategies the Obama campaign used.

I'd normally consider Hillary the favorite for 2016, but if Biden is the successor to this machine, he could be tough to beat.

145 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:33:55pm

New Page from LWC... LOL

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

146 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:35:14pm

re: #144 JamesWI

Don't know if anyone else has posted this, but this article describes the crazy data-mining and strategies the Obama campaign used.

I'd normally consider Hillary the favorite for 2016, but if Biden is the successor to this machine, he could be tough to beat.

I think Biden will ultimately decide not to run. I don't know though. I like him but I think he'll be too old.

147 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:36:09pm

re: #130 ghazidor

Actually, I was thinking something along the lines of, "weren't these kids just barely above toddler age just a little while ago?"

I don't have any kids (THANK "BOB") and I'm utterly terribly at judging ages of young and old alike.

I think that the Obamas have done an admirable job of keeping the kids relatively out of the spotlight. The Bush girls got the media treatment, as did Chelsea Clinton, and some of the Reagan kids, and Amy Carter, and on and on.

Admittedly, I would like to be an invisible cyborg fly on the wall and listen to some of the family conversations. Do the kids know about the wretched things that a lot of random strangers all across the country feel totally comfortable saying about their mom and dad? How do the kids fit in at school? Do they wish they had more ordinary lives? Are they prima donna jerk-asses?

It's certainly not the public's business, but I sometimes get curious about these things.

148 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:36:17pm

re: #134 DREd

Stacy McCain's twitter feed for the last 24 hours makes for some terrific reading. He's in total pearl clutching freakout mode. What a loser.

Brilliant solution.

149 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:36:42pm

Lol. Colbert is running the credits for the end of America.

150 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:36:51pm

re: #148 jaunte

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Brilliant solution.

Yeah Herman Cain would have won.//

151 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:37:04pm

re: #149 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Lol. Colbert is running the credits for the end of America.

"With Special Thanks to Slaves"

152 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:37:29pm

So sick of the right wing lie that people just vote Obama and Democratic for "free stuff." Fuck you assholes.

153 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:37:34pm

re: #148 jaunte

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Brilliant solution.

This is what losing it looks like.

154 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:38:46pm

Close our porous border with Vagistan.

155 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:38:49pm

re: #148 jaunte

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Brilliant solution.

A leader showing self-doubt. Winning.

156 Digital Display  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:38:53pm

There is good news for the GOP today.
Depression is covered under Obamacare.
-Leno

157 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:39:06pm

What was the result of the other races in PR?

158 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:39:17pm

re: #153 Benghazzy Ben Ross

DOOMED!

159 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:40:25pm

They really have no faith in their country sad. If Romney had won, I'd be disappointed but not in this pathetic self-loathing and scapegoating.

160 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:42:14pm

re: #158 jaunte

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DOOMED!

Sheesh. Here, I just had a 4 year plan.

161 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:43:39pm

re: #158 jaunte

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DOOMED!

162 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:44:11pm
163 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:45:04pm

re: #162 Gus

It's the Mark Steyn fucking seal of approval.

164 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:45:44pm

re: #163 jaunte

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It's the Mark Steyn fucking seal of approval.

L
O
L

165 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:46:13pm

re: #158 jaunte

Image: 4bd90042ec667f1b110dcd40a8a38005_reasonably_small.jpeg

That profile pic strongly implies a banjo soundtrack. A few more generations like that, and speciation might occur.

166 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:46:22pm

re: #163 jaunte

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It's the Mark Steyn fucking seal of approval.

Well Steyn can always move back to Canada if he feels that way.

167 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:46:49pm

re: #158 jaunte

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DOOMED!

Has anyone told him that we have to do this all again four years from now?

168 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:46:59pm

re: #165 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

At the very least some tobacco has been chewed.

169 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:47:21pm

Peter Brimelow, former editor at Forbes and National Review and owner of VDARE, has dissected Romney's loss and determined why Mitt lost - he didn't get a big enough share of the American (aka "white") vote:

Only one metric really matters in the close 2012 Presidential race: according to CNN's exit polling (scroll down), Mitt Romey's share of the white a.k.a. American vote was just 59%, for a twenty-point lead over Obama among whites. That's at the high end of the mediocre post-Reagan range, and four points above the hapless John McCain in 2008, but just not enough—as VDARE.com repeatedly remarked during the campaign as we prised white share data out of relectant MSM polls. [...]

Uh huh, that's what the GOP needs to survive - get a larger share of the white vote.

170 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:47:43pm

re: #167 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Has anyone told him that we have to do this all again four years from now?

Seems like it would be piling on.

171 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:48:34pm

re: #169 freetoken

Peter Brimelow, former editor at Forbes and National Review and owner of VDARE, has dissected Romney's loss and determined why Mitt lost - he didn't get a big enough share of the American (aka "white") vote:

Uh huh, that's what the GOP needs to survive - get a larger share of the white vote.

Another white supremacist ass.

172 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:49:37pm

Craven.

173 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:49:45pm

re: #165 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Image: 4bd90042ec667f1b110dcd40a8a38005_reasonably_small.jpeg

That profile pic strongly implies a banjo soundtrack. A few more generations like that, and speciation might occur.

Well damn.
All he needs is a jug of moonshine.

174 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:49:49pm

re: #158 jaunte

DOOMED BEYOND ALL HOPE OF REDEMPTION spectator.org/archives/2012/… Dark thoughts on the meaning of a catastrophic election

What an absolute wimp, a cringing pile of weakness and fear. I realize these people are just wingnut losers, but even rats have more dignity and pride when they're cornered. You're a disgrace, McCain. Pull yourself together. Try to follow the example of the "other McCain." He didn't curl up into a whimpering ball when he lost in '08, possibly because he had been through much, much worse in his life.
I can assure you I would not go limp with despair if Romney had won. Hell, I wouldn't behave as badly as you have if Charlie Sheen had been elected President (though I would be singularly alarmed).

175 jamesfirecat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:50:35pm

re: #169 freetoken

Peter Brimelow, former editor at Forbes and National Review and owner of VDARE, has dissected Romney's loss and determined why Mitt lost - he didn't get a big enough share of the American (aka "white") vote:

Uh huh, that's what the GOP needs to survive - get a larger share of the white vote.

Become a larger and larger owner of a shrinking market, it's a sure death, slow and steady down the drain.

176 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:51:00pm

re: #169 freetoken

Peter Brimelow, former editor at Forbes and National Review and owner of VDARE, has dissected Romney's loss and determined why Mitt lost - he didn't get a big enough share of the American (aka "white") vote:

Uh huh, that's what the GOP needs to survive - get a larger share of the white vote.

If that's going to be their strategy I fully approve.

177 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:51:28pm

re: #163 jaunte

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It's the Mark Steyn fucking seal of approval.

To borrow from an old "Life in Hell" strip which was a parody "Guide to College Professors", Mark Steyn is "Old Gloom and Doom", and as such has his downside: "The joke gets old after awhile."

178 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:51:31pm

Re: Grover Norquist

This "starve the beast" strategy for the reduction of government has gotten really old, instead of having the balls to just stand up and fight program increases they opt to do it by decreasing government revenue. The theory that lack of spending money will someday force "that other party" to cut their spending while leaving "ours" alone is a fantasy. It is like a game of "chicken" on the highway where both sides refuse to be the first to swerve away from the other.

It hasn't worked, and it will never work, it has only led to massive deficit spending and the increasing overall lack of faith in there being any such thing as "good governance" by either party. The government desperately needs a raise, it really does, its commitments have grown tremendously but its income has actually decreased (sounds familiar to many of us, doesn't it?).

After that what it needs most of all is a pair of political parties that are willing to put their chips on the table and have serious discussions about where we can go from here. Not more of them dodging responsibility for what they were elected to do while waiting for the inevitable fiscal emergency to "force" them to do things many will find unpopular.

How about you responsibility shirking jackasses fix things before they become irretrievably broken?

179 alpuz  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:52:31pm

Apparently Facebook is one helluva drug. Cheesus.

180 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:53:29pm

re: #174 Shiplord Kirel

What an absolute wimp, a cringing pile of weakness and fear. I realize these people are just wingnut losers, but even rats have more dignity and pride when they're cornered. You're a disgrace, McCain. Pull yourself together. Try to follow the example of the "other McCain." He didn't curl up into a whimpering ball when he lost in '08, possibly because he had been through much, much worse in his life.
I can assure you I would not go limp with despair if Romney had won. Hell, I wouldn't behave as badly as you have if Charlie Sheen had been elected President (though I would be singularly alarmed).

Well, at least he'd arm the Navy with Violent Torpedoes of Truth.

/Sorry, but it was either that or a "Tiger's Blood" joke.

181 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:53:37pm

Here is the process now for Puerto Rico:

Of those, 1,827,021 voted, giving 77.71% voter participation with 95.74% of polling stations reporting. Puerto Rico's Resident Commissioner Pedro Pierluisi and outgoing Governor Luis Fortuño have stated that they will present the results to the Obama administration and leaders of the United States Congress.[14] President Obama has said that he will support the will of the Puerto Ricans if there was a clear majority.

Of the non Blank ballots, Statehood won by better that 1.5-1.

Statehood got 330k+ more votes than the next largest vote group, the doofuses who left it blank. Think the chance for the 50 star flag's survival are shaky.

182 Stanghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:54:25pm
183 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:54:45pm
184 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:55:01pm

re: #174 Shiplord Kirel

What an absolute wimp, a cringing pile of weakness and fear. I realize these people are just wingnut losers, but even rats have more dignity and pride when they're cornered. You're a disgrace, McCain. Pull yourself together. Try to follow the example of the "other McCain." He didn't curl up into a whimpering ball when he lost in '08, possibly because he had been through much, much worse in his life.
I can assure you I would not go limp with despair if Romney had won. Hell, I wouldn't behave as badly as you have if Charlie Sheen had been elected President (though I would be singularly alarmed).

Most of my right-wing friends on Facebook really need to be on suicide watch. One of them even mentioned Obama phones as if they were things actually destroying our nation.

185 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:55:03pm

Regarding dealing with the "Fiscal Cliff", who's going to flinch first - Obama or the House GOP?

186 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:56:14pm

re: #182 Stanghazi

There's between 1 to 2 million votes left to count, and in 2008 Obama won California by a margin of over 3 million votes.

187 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:56:36pm

re: #184 Benghazzy Ben Ross

If Charlie Sheen got elected, I would be posting from Norway right now. :P

188 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:56:37pm

I should be gloating more.

189 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:56:38pm

re: #182 Stanghazi

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Squeaker!!

190 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:58:21pm
191 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 8:58:37pm

I utterly shocked to see that all these tough-talking reactionary pundits are completely losing their shit. I never could have anticipated that they were all completely fake, self-absorbed wimps buoyed only by continuous immersion in a mythology in which their opponents are weak and incompetent. But doubtless there is zero relationship between the fragility of their egos and the larger worldview they espouse.

There is also zero chance that they will sequester themselves and establish a new mythology in which they made no mistakes, nor underestimated anyone, and this situation arises from the defects of everyone that isn't one of their supporters. Nor will they boost their fragile egos by deciding that, evidence aside, they are the only patriots and that everyone else is, in fact, disloyal and fundamentally unworthy of a vote or even the basic label of American.

Also, earlier today I derailed a train with my penis.

193 alpuz  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:00:19pm

re: #191 The Ghost of a Benghazi Flea

You and me both, brother. You and me both...

194 EPR-radar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:00:50pm

re: #163 jaunte

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It's the Mark Steyn fucking seal of approval.

It turns out that NRO is a better source of wingnut tears that Redstate, Free Republic etc.

The ability of their commentariat to write in complete sentences increases their ability to express themselves...

195 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:00:53pm

Wow! Woosh.

196 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:01:51pm

re: #126 ProGunLiberal

Remember, the Demographics are changing. In Tennessee, not only is there a high number of African Americans, the largest community of Kurds in the US resides in Nashville. Give it another 15-25 years.

As a Tennessean (and a recovering Republican) who voted for every Democrat I could, the fact that the TN GOP basically owns our Capital Hill and that the Democrats are more or less helpless to oppose any shit that the TPGOPers are gonna ram through disgusts and exasperates me. I live in Davidson County (Nashville), which, along with Memphis/Shelby County, is a spot of blue in a sea of red.

197 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:02:43pm

re: #181 ProGunLiberal

Here is the process now for Puerto Rico:

Of the non Blank ballots, Statehood won by better that 1.5-1.

Statehood got 330k+ more votes than the next largest vote group, the doofuses who left it blank. Think the chance for the 50 star flag's survival are shaky.

The US Army Institute of Heraldry, which is the official designer of US flags, has prepared flag designs with up to 100 stars. This is the 51 star version:

Official 51 star flag

Alternate design often used by Puerto Rican statehood advocates

198 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:02:45pm

re: #160 Gus

Sheesh. Here, I just had a 4 year plan.

Did it have 5 points? Every really good plan must have 5 points.

199 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:03:03pm

re: #181 ProGunLiberal

I did note that there was an Article yesterday from Russia Today yesterday proclaiming "Puerto Rico may vote for Independence Today."

Well, I think Russia needs to be mocked for this. We may be welcoming a new territory in the close family of states. Meanwhile, Russia is fighting a nasty civil war in the Caucasus Mountains to hold on to Dagestan, Chechnya, and Ingushtia, among others.

I am laughing at Russia right now.

200 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:04:43pm

re: #197 Shiplord Kirel

The Puerto Rican design harkens back to the Betsy Ross Flag.

I like it.

201 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:06:09pm
202 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:06:20pm

Sharia law won't take place.

203 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:06:30pm

There will be no Agenda 21.

204 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:06:41pm

Churches won't be closed.

205 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:06:55pm

re: #197 Shiplord Kirel

The US Army Institute of Heraldry, which is the official designer of US flags, has prepared flag designs with up to 100 stars. This is the 51 star version:

Official 51 star flag

Alternate design often used by Puerto Rican statehood advocates

I like the alternative one.

206 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:06:56pm

re: #200 ProGunLiberal

The Puerto Rican design harkens back to the Betsy Ross Flag.

I like it.

Wingnuts would no doubt object. God handed down the rectangular field design from Mount Rushmore and that is that.

207 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:07:01pm

Rush Limbaugh won't be forced to close.

208 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:07:03pm

As I understand it, the problem with the PR statehood vote is that it is "confusing" as there were two questions involved and the combination of results allows for a poor view of intentions.

Indeed, one could conclude that the powers that be designed the ballot to try and obfuscate the true desires of the PR voters.

I could almost believe in a conspiracy over this one.

209 Stanghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:07:30pm

re: #192 Gus

‘Unhinged’ Conservative YouTuber Goes On Priceless Drunken Hyper-Rant Over Obama Victory

E P I C I'm still listening.

hahahahhahahhahahhhahah the pain!

210 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:07:42pm

Judge Roy Moore supports consistent rectangularity.

211 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:08:14pm

You'll still be able to get a CCW.

212 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:08:36pm

I'm taken aback by all these strong, upright ueberpatriots crumbling into feuhrer-bunker gibberish just because they were on the losing side of a 49/51 opinion split. I thought they were all so strong, white, and proud? Put away the pistols and the gasoline, fellas... It'll be OK.

Or don't. Why yes, I do have a lighter... Here you go...

213 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:09:16pm

re: #208 freetoken

Question A asked "Do you want to keep Status Quo."

Question B asked "Which Status is wanted if Status Quo is found to be Unsatisfactory."

214 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:09:37pm
215 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:11:09pm

re: #214 goddamnedfrank

Just wow!

Her latest video.

216 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:11:58pm

"Sarah Palin. She should'a stepped up, she should'a ran."

217 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:12:24pm

re: #216 jaunte

"Sarah Palin. She should'a stepped up, she should'a ran."

I don't give a shit, what you think about me!

//

218 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:12:59pm

Only 54% of the PR voters said they were not content with the current status of PR.

That means 46% are satisfied with the status quo.

re: #213 ProGunLiberal

And since the majority opposed to the status quo is not that large, one could argue that there isn't a strong case to make it a state.

On the second question, only about 1.3 million voters made a choice. Of those, nearly 800,000, or 61 percent of those expressing an opinion, chose statehood — the first majority after three previous referendums on the issue over the past 45 years. Some 437,000 backed sovereign free association and 72,560 chose independence. Nearly 500,000, however, left that question blank.

If only 800,000 Puerto Ricans want statehood, that is only like a third of the adult population who voted for that.

219 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:13:12pm

re: #208 freetoken

Also, I should note that PNP has an.....interesting history with the referendums. Such as telling people to leave spots blank on a ballot. That was in the 90's.

220 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:13:15pm

Jesus Christ, I'm 10 minutes in and reaize it's not even half done.

Chips and cheese dip for supper. Cigarettes, my beer, and my goddamned butterscotch schnapps! WANH WANH WANH!

221 Stanghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:14:10pm

re: #214 goddamnedfrank

Just wow!

Note: Not a one to date.

222 BongCrodny  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:14:25pm

re: #169 freetoken

Peter Brimelow, former editor at Forbes and National Review and owner of VDARE, has dissected Romney's loss and determined why Mitt lost - he didn't get a big enough share of the American (aka "white") vote:

Uh huh, that's what the GOP needs to survive - get a larger share of the white vote.

A college professor once told me in an advertising class that the surest way to go out of business was to get a larger and larger share of a declining market.

There are parallels here, but someone's not getting the message.

223 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:15:26pm

The FEMA camps STILL aren't open after, what is it? 25 years? We need to go Stalin on the deadbeat contractors who are building these things.

Stalin's telegram to aircraft production managers, 1941:

You have let down our country and our Red Army. You have the nerve not to manufacture IL-2s until now. Our Red Army now needs IL-2 aircraft like the air it breathes, like the bread it eats. Shenkman produces one IL-2 a day and Tretyakov builds one or two MiG-3s daily. It is a mockery of our country and the Red Army. I ask you not to try the government's patience, and demand that you manufacture more ILs. This is my final warning.

Production increased; quite dramatically in fact.

224 jaunte  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:16:01pm

The FEMA camps of the mind are still collecting inmates.

225 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:16:21pm
226 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:16:37pm

Peter Brimelow is a freaking nut.

That's spelled n-u-t.

227 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:17:21pm

re: #225 OhNoZombies!

She lives alone !?!
I'm shocked.

Quarantined perhaps?

228 Gus  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:18:27pm
229 HappyWarrior  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:18:54pm

re: #228 Gus

Right wing junkie.

Rush Limbaugh On Today: "Glenn Beck Is The Result Of My Success"

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That's nothing to brag about Rush.

230 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:18:57pm

re: #192 Gus

‘Unhinged’ Conservative YouTuber Goes On Priceless Drunken Hyper-Rant Over Obama Victory

If only you shared my videos, Obama would have lost!!!!!!!!!

231 Stanghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:19:02pm

I love how she always goes to black. Cept when she goes back to Drudge.

232 alpuz  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:19:13pm

When all's said and done.. 'Also, earlier today I derailed a train with my penis.' was about the best thing I've read all day. Thanks for that, and good night.

233 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:19:26pm
234 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:19:29pm

re: #218 freetoken

All that was necessary was a majority for (A) for (B) to matter.

And the Blank Ballots were about 400k+.

Do we count blank ballots for voting here? No, no we don't. Because they're blank.

Of the remainder, about 61.2% were in favor of statehood.

Even counting the blank votes, the Statehood got 20% more than the next most popular option, which was none, the blank votes. The PPD alternative got less than the no thoughts.

235 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:21:29pm

GO TO HELLLLL .....LIBERTARIANS!!!

236 ProGunLiberal  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:22:37pm

re: #234 ProGunLiberal

I don't think it is controversial to that, if you leave your vote blank on an item, you are not counted for that particular election.

237 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:24:30pm

re: #227 Shiplord Kirel

Quarantined perhaps?

Solitary confinement.

238 Stanghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:24:43pm

The painted turtle races Obama missed........

239 GatorsEatsTaters  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:27:04pm

Thinking back, I now wonder if the reason Romney lost so bad was because all the GOP media sources kept telling their readers and viewers that Romney was gonna win in a landslide no matter what, hence many Republican voters did not even go bother to go voting. If things were opposite, if Fox news kept screaming Obama was most likely gonna win unless every person watching goes out, then I wonder if maybe we would have had either a closer election or Romney winning by a slim margin. I am actually surprised this isn't what the right wing did, since their whole industry is always built on panic and fear.

240 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:27:43pm

Ha, didn't notice that the Republican who attacked his opponent because she played WoW lost.

Shocking that the voters didn't find that attack devastating.

241 Stanghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:29:00pm

omg, I'm done.

Weird how she hates the RW fringe, but her fringy-ness is no better.
You are more a whacko Mister! Shut the fuck up.

242 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:30:25pm

I've had a computer for four whole years now, let me tell you how to use the internet.

243 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:30:29pm

If only you people here on LGF shared my comments with all your friends, Jim Cramer's prediction would have come true. ARE YOU HAPPY WITH YOURSELVES????

244 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:32:32pm

re: #228 Gus

Right wing junkie.

Rush Limbaugh On Today: "Glenn Beck Is The Result Of My Success"

[Embedded content]

I want to punch him.
1. Because he's an ass.
2. I wanna see what's up with those teeth. They bug me.

245 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:34:34pm

re: #223 Shiplord Kirel

The FEMA camps STILL aren't open after, what is it? 25 years? We need to go Stalin on the deadbeat contractors who are building these things.

Stalin's telegram to aircraft production managers, 1941:

Production increased; quite dramatically in fact.

IL-2s were superb ground attack aircraft, and Stalin was not exaggerating their importance. They proved able to disrupt German vehicle columns even in the face of heavy ground fire and they gave the Soviet Air Force the effective ground attack weapon it needed (until 1943 Soviet medium bombers were of limited use due to effective German fighter cover). It was after Stalin's orders produced in massive numbers that outstripped all non-medium bomber German ground-attack aircraft put together.

246 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:35:51pm

re: #239 GatorsEatsTaters

Naw, the majority of their people were going to the polls to vote against Obama regardless. The entire effort put into the last ten days or so of portraying Romney as having a lead and having momentum was meant to discourage the democrats from voting, not to make their side feel comfortable.

Their side did show up, the voting numbers are very high, higher than 2008 in a lot of states, it is just that our numbers were even higher.

247 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:41:49pm

re: #234 ProGunLiberal

All that was necessary was a majority for (A) for (B) to matter.

Both President Obama and leaders in Congress stated that they would back PR statehood if it was "clear" that Puerto Ricans wanted it.

The construction of the PR ballot suggests to me that those in control were looking for anything but a "clear" signal.

248 Stanghazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:42:03pm

Seeee ya. I'll be dreaming of wingnut tears tonight.

249 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 9:46:05pm

Good Night, All.

250 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:03:41pm

Secessionists rear their seditious heads here in Texas:
Secesh solution

I stand with (remove you hats please) the great SAM HOUSTON on this.

Let me tell you what is coming. After the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives, you may win Southern independence if God be not against you, but I doubt it. I tell you that, while I believe with you in the doctrine of states rights, the North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery, impulsive people as you are, for they live in colder climates. But when they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum and perseverance of a mighty avalanche; and what I fear is, they will overwhelm the South

So bugger off, disloyal wingnuts. The ass-beating you got yesterday is nothing compared to what will happen if you try to leave the union. Stars and Stripes forever!

251 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:22:42pm

The wackiness of cooking shows, especially with professionals as the competitors: one pro chef says he's going to use the banana as his "protein" - when in reality 1 medium size banana has only around 1 gram of protein and is almost all carbohydrates. Another one wants to use some citrus juice on her uncooked (that is, not fried or anything) calamari to cut the "fat" - but squid only have about 1% composition of fats.

Besides the inherent inanity of the whole chef competition thing to begin with these types of wives-tales passed off as explanations is silly. Yeah, each profession has its own lingo, I get that, but behind all these buzz words there has to be some meaning somewhere.

252 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:23:16pm

re: #192 Gus

‘Unhinged’ Conservative YouTuber Goes On Priceless Drunken Hyper-Rant Over Obama Victory

Wow, Glenda Beck's little cri de coeur here is truly a thing to behold, a bottomless font of comedy gold. For instance, painted turtle races are apparently a crucial part of the American experience. The things you learn on the tubes.

Seriously, you need to hear this, it's basically 24 straight minutes of

my butthurt: let me show you it!

You will laugh, I guarantee it.

253 engineer cat  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:29:36pm

Fine Old American Company has sent me a 17 page agreement so that i can sell them $60 worth of software

they could buy thru paypal in 10 seconds but they buy old skool

254 SteveMcG  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:51:07pm

I guess I just have two thoughts leftover from the election.
First, what if Mitt Romney had run as a Democrat? He could have run on his record and you wouldn't have had all that etch a sketch stuff.
Second, can you imagine what's going to happen to the Republicans in 2016 if the Democrats run a white candidate?

255 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 10:53:25pm

re: #254 SteveMcG

Second, can you imagine what's going to happen to the Republicans in 2016 if the Democrats run a white candidate?

But it will be a white woman, so they can still count on misogynist white male vote./

256 Four More Tears  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:09:30pm

Dear GOP,

Please do everything you can to stop PR from becoming a state. As I see it, you already have way more Latino people voting for you than you're comfortable with. Go ahead. Do it. You know you want to.

257 freetoken  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:24:33pm

And now, for some Rostropovich:

258 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:25:08pm

re: #256 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Dear GOP,

Please do everything you can to stop PR from becoming a state. As I see it, you already have way more Latino people voting for you than you're comfortable with. Go ahead. Do it. You know you want to.

You know what's ironic? PR's outgoing governor that pushed for this plebiscite (and who is pro-statehood) belongs to the party that caucuses with the GOP; his successor belongs to the party that caucuses with the Democrats and favors the current status quo (PR remaining a territory and a commonwealth).

259 JamesWI  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:40:00pm

I go over to FoxNews.com.....top story? Maybe that election that ended about 24 hours ago? No?

"INVESTIGATING BENGHAZI: House Panel to Hold Hearing on Libya"

BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

260 GatorsEatsTaters  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:49:17pm

Aaaaaaand here it comes:

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2956809/posts?q=1&page=51

I damn well am racist now and whoever doesn’t like it can KMA. I have been given good reason to be, the “minorities” won’t have it any other way, so I surrender. I am a racist.

261 Barflytom  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:50:52pm

re: #1 dragonath

AND THEY DID IT ALL FOR FREE ?!?

Yeah, free stuff from the gummint.....

Absolutely disgusting.
You think that rounding up alzheimer's patients and clueless college students, and twisting their arms to vote for a cynical, big city machine pol is something to be proud of ?

262 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:58:18pm

re: #261 Barflytom

what are you doing here BFT? there are plenty of sites out there where your enlightened and erudite comments on the nature of conservatism and the failings of progressivism would be fitting and welcome. here you are just trolling.

263 Kragar  Wed, Nov 7, 2012 11:58:23pm
264 JamesWI  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 12:00:30am

re: #261 Barflytom

Shorter BFT

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265 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 12:02:24am
266 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 12:04:08am

re: #261 Barflytom

Yeah, free stuff from the gummint.....

Absolutely disgusting.
You think that rounding up alzheimer's patients and clueless college students, and twisting their arms to vote for a cynical, big city machine pol is something to be proud of ?

Cry harder, you little punk, we need to top off this cask of loser tears so we can put it in the tear cellar. This is going to be a great fucking vintage, we'll be sipping this for years. Hell, decades.

267 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 12:12:06am

re: #261 Barflytom

Yeah, free stuff from the gummint.....

Absolutely disgusting.

So, where are you going to move to? All the other first world counties either have universal payer healthcare or regulated insurance markets that make Obamacare look positively laissez faire. In comparison their welfare systems make the US look like Galt's Gulch.

Sunny Somalia awaits your rugged business acumen and refined alcoholic charms.

268 Barflytom  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 12:17:53am

re: #266 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Cry harder, you little punk, we need to top off this cask of loser tears so we can put it in the tear cellar. This is going to be a great fucking vintage, we'll be sipping this for years. Hell, decades.

I rather doubt that you'd call me that to my face, but whatever, as a typical Obama voter might say.
If you think that a federal government that spends 25% of GDP and takes in 15% in revenue is sustainable for decades, then you might be a democrat.
So, how much free stuff do you expect to be getting from your newly re-elected Dear Leader ?

269 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 12:21:32am

re: #268 Barflytom

I rather doubt that you'd call me that to my face, but whatever, as a typical Obama voter might say.
If you think that a federal government that spends 25% of GDP and takes in 15% in revenue is sustainable for decades, then you might be a democrat.
So, how much free stuff do you expect to be getting from your newly re-elected Dear Leader ?

You're absolutely right, we really need to raise taxes on those who abused the system for so long. Lets hope the GOP finally stops sucking their dicks long enough to vote for it.

270 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 12:21:57am

re: #268 Barflytom

Asshole trolls like you makes me wish that Charles was working on a killfile capability for LGF...

271 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 12:30:44am

re: #268 Barflytom

So, how much free stuff do you expect to be getting from your newly re-elected Dear Leader ?

Not much. The biggest free handout I'm getting from this election is the privilege of listening to you and your cohort of pathetic wankstains whinge your black little hearts out, like a chorus of ten million yippy little dogs being trod on by obese men with hobnailed boots.

Music to my ears, and a balm upon my soul.

272 Barflytom  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 12:34:37am

re: #269 Kragar

You're absolutely right, we really need to raise taxes on those who abused the system for so long. Lets hope the GOP finally stops sucking their dicks long enough to vote for it.

Indeed. I'd much prefer a national sales tax, or a VAT, to an income tax, so that the handout brigade can pay their fair share for a change.
Not going to happen of course, but in the event that it did, I'd accept a modest wealth tax as part of the bargain, so that phoneys like Warren Buffet - who pays "a lower rate than his secretary" because he never sells anything to realise capital gains* - could cough up a bit more.
The situation now is that roughly half the population is subsidised by the other half. That's the only reason a dud like Obama got elected.

*And because most of the tax on dividend income is paid by the corporation rather than the shareholder.

273 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 12:40:27am

re: #272 Barflytom

Indeed. I'd much prefer a national sales tax, or a VAT, to an income tax, so that the handout brigade can pay their fair share for a change.
Not going to happen of course, but in the event that it did, I'd accept a modest wealth tax as part of the bargain, so that phoneys like Warren Buffet - who pays "a lower rate than his secretary" because he never sells anything to realise capital gains - could cough up a bit more.
The situation now is that roughly half the population is subsidised by the other half. That's the only reason a dud like Obama got elected.

Which is why a single family has more personal wealth than roughly 30% of the total US population, because they're forced to subsidize them.

274 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 12:41:31am

re: #272 Barflytom

Indeed. I'd much prefer a national sales tax, or a VAT, to an income tax, so that the handout brigade can pay their fair share for a change.
Not going to happen of course, but in the event that it did, I'd accept a modest wealth tax as part of the bargain, so that phoneys like Warren Buffet - who pays "a lower rate than his secretary" because he never sells anything to realise capital gains - could cough up a bit more.
The situation now is that roughly half the population is subsidised by the other half. That's the only reason a dud like Obama got elected.

No amount of whining is gonna change the fact that President Obama will be president for another four years, so it's best to just go about your daily business and do the best that you can for you and your family. In business terms, are you going to be an asset to America or a liability?

As they say, it's time to shit or get off the pot.

275 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 12:44:09am

re: #272 Barflytom

Indeed. I'd much prefer a national sales tax, or a VAT, to an income tax, so that the handout brigade can pay their fair share for a change.
Not going to happen of course, but in the event that it did, I'd accept a modest wealth tax as part of the bargain, so that phoneys like Warren Buffet - who pays "a lower rate than his secretary" because he never sells anything to realise capital gains - could cough up a bit more.
The situation now is that roughly half the population is subsidised by the other half. That's the only reason a dud like Obama got elected.

Go sell your shopworn nostrums somewhere people are dumb enough to buy them, you bromide-spewing waste of quarks.

276 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 12:49:51am

I have of late been keeping myself blissfully unaware of the latest rages in denier-ville wrt. climate change and such.

But given President Obama's apparent renewed interest in the issue, I checked in and saw the latest emerging talking point (a variation on one of the standard talking points) is that CO2 won't warm the surface as much as previously thought.

This is based on running off with some research that Reuters is reporting:

China, less impact by CO2 may explain warming slowdown

[...]

A yet-to-be-published study says that the atmosphere may be less affected by rising concentrations of carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas from burning fossil fuels, than expected.

“If we’re correct it will make it easier (to slow global warming) but it will still require dramatic reductions in emissions,” said Terje Berntsen, a professor at the University of Oslo and an author of the report.

A doubling of the concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere over pre-industrial times would push up temperatures by between 1,3 and 2,9 degrees Celsius (2,3-5,2 F), it said.

That is below a range of 2,0 to 4,5 degrees C (3,6-8,1 F) estimated as the likely response to a doubling of carbon dioxide in a 2007 report by the U.N.’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC). Berntsen’s report is under review by the Journal of Climate.

Temperatures are now about 0,8 degree C (1,4 F) above pre-industrial times. Two degrees is viewed as a threshold to dangerous change including more powerful storms like Sandy that struck the United States last week, more heatwaves, droughts and rising sea levels.

A minority of scientists who doubt that mankind’s emissions have much impact say that natural swings are the main cause of rising temperatures in recent decades. If true, that would make it less urgent to invest in measures to cut emissions.

“Natural internal variability due to heat exchanges between the ocean and the surface” account for the apparent slowdown since 2000, said Richard Lindzen, a professor emeritus at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT).

He said the IPCC exaggerated the risks.

[...]

Ah yes, news wire writers strike again. Some mysterious "minority scientists" turn out to be the same old group, which is why they quote Lindzen, for the umpteenth millionth time.

The real scientific work referenced by Reuters is by Dr. Berntsen, and is likely the same research reported here:

[...] In this paper, we present a model framework for estimating the climate sensitivity. The core of the model is a simple, deterministic climate model based on elementary physical laws such as energy balance. It models yearly hemispheric surface temperature and global ocean heat content as a function of historical radiative forcing. This deterministic model is combined with an empirical, stochastic model and fitted to observations on global temperature and ocean heat content, conditioned on estimates of historical radiative forcing. [...]

[continued]

277 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 12:50:47am

Why is it these turds love everything about the 1950s except the Tax rates?

278 Barflytom  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:02:16am

re: #271 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

So you're a Sophist ?
I bet that Solon guy would have liked to have had your command of language.
You seem like a fairly typical leftie, with absolutely no positive argument to make for your worthless socialist views. The one good thing about Obama's second term is that you lefties will have to face reality sooner rather than later when the government runs out of money.

279 freetoken  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:02:45am

[continued]

What Bernsten et. al. are doing is trying to make the most of historical observations. It should be noted that we have observations in detail over just about a century.

The problem is that we know from paleoclimatology that long term, multi-century and multi-millennial changes in temperature produce a "climate sensitivity" (a metric defined as the temperature change for doubling CO2) that is larger than the measurements over the century that we have of observations of the current times.

Bernsten is not a nut and what he is doing is not false, but the deniers want to ignore two things:

(1) Bernsten et. al. don't claim that they have modeled the very long term changes we see in the Pleistocene; and

(2) the deniers ignore that the range (presumptively 1 standard deviation) given by Bernsten for climate sensitivity, 1.3 to 2.9C, significantly overlaps the range given for the 1 standard deviation from the models (reported by Reuters as 2.0 to 4.5C). If we were to take a 2 standard deviation range I suspect the two would nearly completely overlap.

But statistics isn't a strong suit with the wingnut deniers, as Nate Silver so ably demonstrated.

Alas, all of this is probably irrelevant anyway as the US and most of the world's nations aren't really going to cut back significantly on emissions anyway, and the deniers are simply trying to make up for their own inadequacies by snickering at those commie scientimists...

280 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:04:20am

re: #278 Barflytom

So you're a Sophist ?
I bet that Solon guy would have liked to have had your command of language.
You seem like a fairly typical leftie, with absolutely no positive argument to make for your worthless socialist views. The one good thing about Obama's second term is that you lefties will have to face reality sooner rather than later when the government runs out of money.

I thought thats why FEMA bought all that ammo, so they could just bust in and take your stuff to give to us.

281 researchok  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:07:41am

Morning, all

282 Barflytom  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:09:53am

re: #277 Kragar

Why is it these turds love everything about the 1950s except the Tax rates?

You could have 70%+ tax rates then because there was nowhere much else to go - it's not as if investors would have up and left for Mao's China or DeValera's Ireland in the fifties is it ?
Funny how lefties think conservatives are stuck in the past, when you have Obama advocating economic policies from the seventies - or thirties...

283 researchok  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:16:42am

re: #257 freetoken

I sense a calm returning to post election universe

Thank (insert deity/non deity here)

284 Barflytom  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:17:38am

re: #273 Kragar

Which is why a single family has more personal wealth than roughly 30% of the total US population, because they're forced to subsidize them.

It seems I didn't get my subsidy check from the Obamaphone lady. Perhaps if the US Postal Service was run more efficiently by a private company it would have arrived on time.

285 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:20:25am

re: #284 Barflytom

It seems I didn't get my subsidy check from the Obamaphone lady. Perhaps if the US Postal Service was run more efficiently by a private company it would have arrived on time.

Are you even trying to make sense?

286 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:21:31am

re: #284 Barflytom

It seems I didn't get my subsidy check from the Obamaphone lady. Perhaps if the US Postal Service was run more efficiently by a private company it would have arrived on time.

You mean a private company that didn't have Republicans tell them they had to pay 20 years worth of benefits in advance, like they did to the Postal Service?

You really are a fucking moron, and I'm going to bed.

287 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:22:09am

re: #285 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Are you even trying to make sense?

Its those UN drones spraying chemtrails over his bunker. He's got the vapors.

288 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:35:02am

re: #286 Kragar

You mean a private company that didn't have Republicans tell them they had to pay 20 years worth of benefits in advance, like they did to the Postal Service?

You really are a fucking moron, and I'm going to bed.

I thought it was 75

The 2006 Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act requires the USPS to pre-fund 75 years of future healthcare benefits over a 10-year period, introducing a $5.5 billion annual payment.

Totally ridiculous. They're required to fund care and retirement for employees who aren't even born yet.

289 Tigger2  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:19:08am

re: #8 Stanghazi

What an excellent post. It really was a push by the Dems. The desire was STRONG.

Unfortunately (and thanks so much for listing my attempt) I'm living in an extremely apathetic area, or as in my home, a no precinct area - vote by mail only - I did not get one reply. :(

But whatever, it was done.

That should also be done at midterms they are often forgotten and that is how a lot of crazes sneak in.

290 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:34:09am

re: #284 Barflytom

It seems I didn't get my subsidy check from the Obamaphone lady. Perhaps if the US Postal Service was run more efficiently by a private company it would have arrived on time.

Man, you used to be kind of fun. Now you're just way too sad a troll. I hope things work out better for you in the future.

I did register one guy who has Alzheimer's to vote. He told me he had Alzheimer's. It was posterior cortical atrophy, though, so it wasn't affecting his memory or reasoning skills. Brave dude, WWII vet. No clue who he voted for-- not my place to ask.

291 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:40:11am

re: #284 Barflytom

Oh, and this article might be of interest to you, too.

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

292 Tigger2  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:56:50am

re: #261 Barflytom

Yeah, free stuff from the gummint.....

Absolutely disgusting.
You think that rounding up alzheimer's patients and clueless college students, and twisting their arms to vote for a cynical, big city machine pol is something to be proud of ?

Free Republic is this way ------------------------------------------->

293 iossarian  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 3:25:52am

re: #291 Obdicut

Oh, and this article might be of interest to you, too.

[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]

Great article. This says it all really:

Mitt and the Wingnuts have run a four-year campaign that is only a blond hair’s width away from calling the President a n***** every single day.

294 iossarian  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 3:26:15am

Just a drive by. People to go, places to meet!

295 Usually refered to as anyways  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 3:32:31am

Congratulations to all the Lizards who contributed time or money to the re-election of Obama.

This Australian appreciates it greatly, we here have a very high opinion of Obama, we were also appalled by George Bush, if fact we had protests in our streets against Bush's war of choice, and our governments (right wing) willing to support it.
Obama restored to me the image of the USA as a fair and just nation, and I believe to so many other countries.

296 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 4:11:03am

Why does Barfy always show up when it's the middle of the night in the U.S.? Maybe he's some Euro-troll who's just taking the piss?

297 African Moonbat  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 4:31:20am

re: #259 JamesWI

I go over to FoxNews.com.....top story? Maybe that election that ended about 24 hours ago? No?

"INVESTIGATING BENGHAZI: House Panel to Hold Hearing on Libya"

BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Many folk here have altered their nics to make fun of Benghazi but I suspect that episode is going to haunt the Administration for some time to come.

298 Coracle  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 4:36:18am

re: #268 Barflytom

I rather doubt that you'd call me that to my face, but whatever...

I'd be more than happy to say it to your face, you sniveling, privileged whiner. I'll even buy you coffee and a donut to soothe your butthurt. You're perfectly happy with 'wealth redistribution' and 'government handouts' as long as it's in the right direction and called by different names.

299 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 4:53:24am

Hmm, maybe the UK should set up a haven for BFT and his ilk. Maybe in the Outer Hebrides or something. I think the Village in Wales is only taking liberals and secret service outcasts.

300 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 4:54:22am

Morning Lizards. Get up today and first thing I see checking email is a warning that some IP in China tried to access my Google account last night. Time to start changing passwords...

301 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 5:01:31am

re: #295 ozbloke

Being an Aussie, I thought this would amuse you:

Fail: Anti-Obama teen wants to move to Australia because we have ‘Christian, male president'

Heh.

302 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 5:05:27am

Jeez, and I thought Australia was overrun by punked-out gangs fighting over the last few barrels of gasoline...

303 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 5:05:52am

re: #302 AK-47%

Jeez, and I thought Australia was overrun by punked-out gangs fighting over the last few barrels of gasoline...

That would be Brooklyn...

304 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 5:06:13am

re: #296 Vicious Babushka

Why does Barfy always show up when it's the middle of the night in the U.S.? Maybe he's some Euro-troll who's just taking the piss?

Probably just getting back from a bar closing since being piss drunk is the only excuse for his so called thinking.

Hey BFT? If you get me your addy, I'll have an econ 101 text sent to you if you think you'd be able to understand it. It would explain all these hard economics problems you're having...

305 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 5:10:41am

Just got back from a rally at a Mississippi college. How goes it? JUST KIDDING!!
Morning Honcos.

306 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 5:12:50am

re: #297 African Moonbat

Many folk here have altered their nics to make fun of Benghazi but I suspect that episode is going to haunt the Administration for some time to come.

No we didn't do it to make fun of Benghazi, I'm not making light of the death of four Americans who served their country with honor.

We did it to mock the attempts by Fox news and the rest of the right wing media to turn it into an anti-administration scandal. The constant steady drumbeat of Benghazi...Benghazi...Benghazi in their "reporting" often based on hearsay and outright fabrication of the facts.

Mythical laser target designators, armed drones, stand down orders, a general arrested for trying to help, AC-130H mission aborted, Seals called off, etc, etc...none of it true. Their willingness to publish outright lies from questionable sources that no journalist with integrity would touch without an independent means of verification is appalling.

It was little more than them daily throwing any mud they could find or think up at the president and praying that some of it would stick. That is what, I at least, am mocking.

307 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 5:24:45am

re: #297 African Moonbat

Many folk here have altered their nics to make fun of Benghazi but I suspect that episode is going to haunt the Administration for some time to come.

Nope. the names are to make fun of conspiracy theorists who think there's some sort of coverup going on.

308 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 5:25:11am

re: #306 ghazidor

How many of these guys could even find Behghazi on a map?

309 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 5:35:29am
310 Flounder  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 5:38:10am

Kinda (very) dumb move, Office of Emergency Management boss Steven Kuhr was fired after allegedly sending workers to clear a tree in his Long Island driveway.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

311 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 5:38:22am

Guy I went to high skool with is now a Florida state senator. Good for him.

312 Flounder  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 5:43:11am

Gabby Giffords shooter faces sentencing today.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

313 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 5:46:53am

Republican Reckoning Begins After Revealing Defeat

Republican Party leaders on Wednesday began picking up the pieces of their movement, trying to figure how to put them back together.

The GOP was blindsided Tuesday, but also revealed. The Democrats' ground organization was beyond anything they'd imagined, pulling in new voters with stunning effectiveness. It exposed a major weakness in the Republican approach to winning elections, practically and intellectually.

"I don't think anyone on our side understood or comprehended how good their turnout was going to be," said Henry Barbour, a Republican committee man from Mississippi. "The Democrats do voter registration like a factory, like a business, and Republicans tend to leave it to the blue hairs."

But President Barack Obama's triumphant get-out-the-vote program also pulled back the curtain on the GOP's looming demographic demise. The exposure was so severe that there will be few inside the party who can deny the need to work toward immigration reform, as well the need to make a broader effort to communicate to parts of the electorate that the party has not tried to in the past.

314 A Mom Anon  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 5:53:41am

Good Morning Lizards.

All's Quiet on the Wingnut Front here in metro Atlanta. So far. My rwnj neighbors have been incredibly quiet since the election. They still have their Vote to Stop Obama sign up though. Bless their hearts. I'm sure they're crying to each other,but they've stayed off of Facebook so far. So there's that to be grateful for. Local reports are talking about massive gun and ammo buys at the stores here,which is not even remotely comforting.

In 4 yrs,I'm sending my neighbors a letter to ask them what they're going to do now that none of their pee inducing fears have come to pass.

315 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:00:58am

re: #247 freetoken

Considering the results of the previous referendums, this is likely the most conclusive we will get.

316 Mattand  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:04:56am

re: #307 Obdicut

Nope. the names are to make fun of conspiracy theorists who think there's some sort of coverup going on.

Greta VanSustren was pushing it on her Fox News show last night, barely 24 hours after Obama cleaned the Republicans' (and by extension, Fox's) clocks.

Like a 5 year old reaching for their security blanket.

317 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:09:29am

Anti Islam film maker/con man with many names gets one jail cell for one year...

318 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:11:40am

Greets and saluts from the battered, broken, but not beaten NYC metro area. Yesterday's storm is wrapping up on Long Island, but some of us had to dig out of a major snowfall. Parts of NJ saw more than a foot of snow, including parts of Monmouth County that saw heavy damage from Sandy.

Power outages spiked once again during and after this snowstorm as trees and branches damaged by Sandy fell and took out power lines with them.

The commute last night was awful. Major delays for the LIRR and NJ Transit buses - we were at the PABT where the lines snaked through the building but there were no buses coming in because of an accident or other delay (no one could ever quite figure that one out because there's no reception/internet access in the bowels of the building so if the Port Authority sent out alerts, it didn't reach those on line). We quit the line and went to dinner instead. Best move of the night - because after imbibing and meeting up with legalbgl, we returned to the bus gates and found no lines and no traffic. That was quite the relief.

The temps are supposed to rise, so this will be a short lived snow cover, but it only adds to the misery of those without power (or those who had power and lost it).

319 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:19:34am
320 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:27:51am

re: #318 lawhawk

Had power, lost it and cable again last night. I swear every year we get snow it's like people around here have never seen the shit before. Driving is terrible. People off in ditches, sides of the road, guard rails. Do these people come from the southwest or something?

Apparently there's another storm coming our way from the west that might be worse.

321 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:27:53am

re: #318 lawhawk

Good morning lizards!

I spoke to my mom last night. She still has no power. My cousin down the street got hers back 3 days after the storm though.

322 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:28:32am

re: #317 Daniel Ballard

Anti Islam film maker/con man with many names gets one jail cell for one year...

And even though it's for a clear probation violation, the conspiracy theorists are going to go gaga over that one too.

323 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:29:05am

Mornin' everyone. Man...talk about return on investment!

325 Coracle  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:31:09am

re: #323 darthstar

Interesting. ROI analyses like that should give any future investors pause. Business is business.

326 Petero1818  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:31:26am

re: #313 Lidane

Republican Reckoning Begins After Revealing Defeat

But its the democratic base that are the lazy freeloaders unwilling to put in a hard days work. I think this excerpt is quite telling. Like any organization whether a business, a non profit or a governmental institution, success is often measured by those at the top but is built on the work of all the participants. The line workers, the middle management, the senior management and the executives. Each has a role to play and I have never seen an organization have success without success being bred at every level. When Obama said "you didnt build that" he was speaking of exactly that mentality. Getting out the vote is no different. It is down in the gutters work. Knocking on doors, making calls, convincing neighbours, driving people to polls. It is not deciding in a board room what ad to run when and on what network. There is a role for both but you can't win looking after only one side of the balance sheet. Same goes for America.

327 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:31:47am

re: #322 Obdicut

And even though it's for a clear probation violation, the conspiracy theorists are going to go gaga over that one too.

Bryan Fischer already has.

Pamela already has.

328 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:32:51am

re: #323 darthstar

Mornin' everyone. Man...talk about return on investment!

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With any luck that will send Rove off into the woods, never to be heard from again, that pugnacious turd. What a despicable piece of shit.

329 Coracle  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:35:47am

re: #328 Ghost of Tom Joad

Nope. He's already justified himself saying it'd have been an Obama blowout if not for groups like Crossroads. He provides an essential service to the 1%.

330 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:36:20am

re: #320 Ghost of Tom Joad

The first snow in the area always sees more than their share of accidents because people seem to forget that snow/ice is slippery and because you have 4 wheel drive doesn't mean you have 4 wheel brakes. People drive too fast for the conditions and that's when bad things happen.

The roads at the height of the storm yesterday were pretty bad, but by this AM, they were mostly clear (some wet/icy bits though).

331 Petero1818  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:36:57am

re: #327 Vicious Babushka

Not just a probation violation, but a violation that speaks specifically to a pattern related to his previous conviction. This is a fraudster. False names, false cheques and credit cards. Forget the movie. He defrauded actors whose lives are legitimately in peril. The lunatic right is not soft on crime except when it involves African American men holding doors for the elderly (AKA intimidation)

332 Petero1818  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:38:52am

re: #329 Coracle

Nope. He's already justified himself saying it'd have been an Obama blowout if not for groups like Crossroads. He provides an essential service to the 1%.

Which is funny because what does it say about the party when you have to go Rambo to save yourself from a blowout with this economy. Rove is simply not making any sense.

333 Coracle  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:40:28am

re: #332 Petero1818

Rove is simply not making any sense.

I saw him Tuesday night. It's the new normal.

334 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:45:08am

re: #261 Barflytom

Yeah, free stuff from the gummint.....

Absolutely disgusting.
You think that rounding up alzheimer's patients and clueless college students, and twisting their arms to vote for a cynical, big city machine pol is something to be proud of ?

When you think, the internet hurts.

335 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:45:13am

re: #328 Ghost of Tom Joad

With any luck that will send Rove off into the woods, never to be heard from again, that pugnacious turd. What a despicable piece of shit.

Turdblossom.

336 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:46:26am

re: #332 Petero1818

Well, those rich donors are obviously not the brightest bulbs, so maybe they'll buy his bullshit. But he was supposed to deliver victory, and got zilch. An Obama blowout or a marginal victory wouldn't matter at all because even if PBO won 50 states and the popular vote by 25 million, the media would still be all "well, this shows the Democrats need to reach across the aisle (I swear I'll curbstomp the next media moron to utter that term) and work with the Republicans."

337 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:46:33am

Way to go FEMA...

FEMA Closes Hurricane Assistance Shelters Due To Current Storm

The Federal Emergency Management Agency is here to help you in the event of a natural or man-made disaster, provided, of course, it isn't raining or snowing or too windy out. DNAinfo snapped this photo at a closed FEMA assistance center on Staten Island today, and on a conference call with reporters hours later, FEMA Administrator Craig Fugate confirmed that some Hurricane Sandy-related FEMA operations "had to be secured or postponed during the storm."

FEMA and the Red Cross are both curtailing operations on Staten Island, Coney Island, and the Rockways at the moment because of the Nor'Easter now blowing through town. Fugate told reporters, "We are going to resume when weather permits. We are really concerned with people who are still displaced and have damaged homes, and if this [new storm] will make it worse." Officials say operations are being limited for the safety of FEMA and Red Cross workers.

Meanwhile while FEMA takes some time off during the snow storm 662,000 remain without power on the East Coast.

338 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:47:03am

re: #318 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the battered, broken, but not beaten NYC metro area. Yesterday's storm is wrapping up on Long Island, but some of us had to dig out of a major snowfall. Parts of NJ saw more than a foot of snow, including parts of Monmouth County that saw heavy damage from Sandy.

Power outages spiked once again during and after this snowstorm as trees and branches damaged by Sandy fell and took out power lines with them.

The commute last night was awful. Major delays for the LIRR and NJ Transit buses - we were at the PABT where the lines snaked through the building but there were no buses coming in because of an accident or other delay (no one could ever quite figure that one out because there's no reception/internet access in the bowels of the building so if the Port Authority sent out alerts, it didn't reach those on line). We quit the line and went to dinner instead. Best move of the night - because after imbibing and meeting up with legalbgl, we returned to the bus gates and found no lines and no traffic. That was quite the relief.

The temps are supposed to rise, so this will be a short lived snow cover, but it only adds to the misery of those without power (or those who had power and lost it).

Thanks for posting that. I just checked on it and then called my friend's wife to warn her. She is buying some supplies (and a new ShopVac) and headed up that way to do cleaning today.

On the culinary front since I have not driven my guests out with my pasta, green beans, or meatloaf I have broken out the slow cooker and started a pork shoulder this morning... ;)

339 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:47:51am

re: #338 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Thanks for posting that. I just checked on it and then called my friend's wife to warn her. She is buying some supplies (and a new ShopVac) and headed up that way to do cleaning today.

On the culinary front since I have not driven my guests out with my pasta, green beans, or meatloaf I have broken out the slow cooker and started a pork shoulder this morning... ;)

Mmmmm...pork :)

340 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:48:05am

re: #337 NJDhockeyfan

I'm not sure what the point of this story is. Of course some of what they're doing has to be postponed during the storm.

Can you explain why you think it's a bad idea?

341 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:49:05am

re: #329 Coracle

Nope. He's already justified himself saying it'd have been an Obama blowout if not for groups like Crossroads. He provides an essential service to the 1%.

I thought it was the fault of Sandy for breaking Mitt's momentum. (I think Haley Barbour tossed out that excuse.)

342 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:50:57am

re: #321 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

I spoke to my mom last night. She still has no power. My cousin down the street got hers back 3 days after the storm though.

Hope she is OK during this storm.

343 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:51:53am

re: #337 NJDhockeyfan

Way to go FEMA...

FEMA Closes Hurricane Assistance Shelters Due To Current Storm

Meanwhile while FEMA takes some time off during the snow storm 662,000 remain without power on the East Coast.

That's pretty disingenuous. They're not 'taking time off'...they're waiting for the storm to pass so they can be ready to reopen when it's safe for people to move about. By the way, this is standard procedure in emergency relief situations. FEMA aren't first responders, and shouldn't be encouraging people to move around at the height of a storm. Stay out of the way until the storm passes, and then you can help people more effectively.

Utility companies don't try to restore power during a storm, either...something about hot wires and wind and wet and human flesh mixing together.

344 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:53:57am

Morning Lizards. Just about finished recovering from yesterdays system crash.

345 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:54:50am
346 Petero1818  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:55:41am

re: #343 darthstar

Utility companies don't try to restore power during a storm, either...something about hot wires and wind and wet and human flesh mixing together.

Well if they believed in American exceptionalism they most certainly would. What are they....russky utility companies? I swear those electrical contractors wouldnt last a day under Patton.

347 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:55:47am

re: #340 Obdicut

I'm not sure what the point of this story is. Of course some of what they're doing has to be postponed during the storm.

Can you explain why you think it's a bad idea?

I think they should have had some people staying in the office with the door open for whoever needed assistance. I don't think that would be asking too much.

348 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:56:38am

re: #330 lawhawk

The first snow in the area always sees more than their share of accidents because people seem to forget that snow/ice is slippery and because you have 4 wheel drive doesn't mean you have 4 wheel brakes. People drive too fast for the conditions and that's when bad things happen.

The roads at the height of the storm yesterday were pretty bad, but by this AM, they were mostly clear (some wet/icy bits though).

This even happens in Anchorage Alaska BTW, where people drive on snow/Ice for about seven months of each year. The first major snowfall in Anchorage turns the roads into a giant game of bumper cars, it never fails. It as if almost everyone forgets that snow is slippery and they need to slow down and leave more following room.

I would drive around laughing at the spectacle as people slid out into the middle of intersections, chain reaction rear enders occurred at red lights, and people slid off roadways left and right. The body shop business up there is one of the major industries because by the end of each winter they will have repaired roughly 15% of all the cars in the city.

And it happens all over again every single year!

349 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 6:58:57am
350 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:00:25am

re: #348 ghazidor

This even happens in Anchorage Alaska BTW, where people drive on snow/Ice for about seven months of each year. The first major snowfall in Anchorage turns the roads into a giant game of bumper cars, it never fails. It as if almost everyone forgets that snow is slippery and they need to slow down and leave more following room.

I would drive around laughing at the spectacle as people slid out into the middle of intersections, chain reaction rear enders occurred at red lights, and people slid off roadways left and right. The body shop business up there is one of the major industries because by the end of each winter they will have repaired roughly 15% of all the cars in the city.

And it happens all over again every single year!

I read of a case on the Autobahn in Germany where a fellow plowed into the end of a traffic back-up because the low-hanging evening sun coming out from behind a cloud blinded him...which goes to prove that come rain, snow or shine, people drive like idiots!

351 Coracle  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:01:30am

re: #347 NJDhockeyfan

I think they should have had some people staying in the office with the door open for whoever needed assistance. I don't think that would be asking too much.

I'm sure you're the better judge of the situation.

352 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:01:41am

Morning, all.

If you go back to the GOP Debutant video, and strip away all the freaking, drunken rage, you will see that she's not really one of the crazy ones. Her grasp of reality is right-bent, but rational, and she is attacking most of the nutcase theories. Mitt should have listened to her.

re: #192 Gus

‘Unhinged’ Conservative YouTuber Goes On Priceless Drunken Hyper-Rant Over Obama Victory

353 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:05:40am

re: #351 Coracle

I'm sure you're the better judge of the situation.

I'm entitled to my own opinion. You are too. If you believe closing the FEMA assistance center on Staten Island is fine, that's OK. I think it sucks for all the people without power and a warm place to sleep who could have benefited inside that building.

354 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:08:53am

re: #347 NJDhockeyfan

I think they should have had some people staying in the office with the door open for whoever needed assistance. I don't think that would be asking too much.

But they're lazy Obama appointees. Why such high expectations?
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355 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:09:04am

re: #347 NJDhockeyfan

I think they should have had some people staying in the office with the door open for whoever needed assistance. I don't think that would be asking too much.

Well, you're wrong. Keeping the center open during the storm invites more problems. FEMA isn't a first-responder center, and treating it as such is silly. The point of the FEMA office is not to provide a shelter for people to huddle in. In fact, keeping the offices-- which are for signing and coordinating volunteers-- open during the storm would cause more problems than it'd serve.

The city has a lot of shelters set up for the purpose of being shelters.

To be blunt, it looks like you're simply taking the story without bothering to think about it in the least and whining about it because you think it'll make FEMA look bad. It doesn't, to anyone who's willing to think about it for more than two seconds.

356 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:09:51am

re: #337 NJDhockeyfan

Wait a sec. You're blaming FEMA for protecting itself and its personnel from a Nor'easter that was expected to cause additional damage. FEMA has operations set up in places like Midland Beach Staten Island where they're operating out of a tent in a park adjacent to a beach.

High tide plus noreaster equals potential flooding in those kinds of locations.

Flooding does not go well with equipment like generators, trucks, cars, etc. - and that could expose those to damage/total loss.

It was prudent for FEMA to close up for the storm- and it's not like people can't get FEMA assistance. 1-800-621-FEMA lets you talk with reps 24/7 and get disaster assistance applications underway.

Utilities likewise don't try to restore power during storms, particularly when winds are over 40 mph (well, that's by law/regulation to protect the workers from dangerous conditions) - that would put the truck crews in danger from high winds.

FEMA will be right back out there this morning.

Nontroversy.

357 Coracle  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:10:33am

re: #353 NJDhockeyfan

You're entitled to your aspersion casting as well. "Way to go FEMA", "takes some time off", just as I'm entitled to call you on it.

358 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:11:19am

I'm seeing stories this morning saying that the national popular vote for the House of Representatives actually favored the Democrats by a half a million votes.

That's a pretty big swing, but it doesn't really change the composition of the House much.

359 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:12:52am

re: #352 Decatur Deb

Morning, all.

If you go back to the GOP Debutant video, and strip away all the freaking, drunken rage, you will see that she's not really one of the crazy ones. Her grasp of reality is right-bent, but rational, and she is attacking most of the nutcase theories. Mitt should have listened to her.

Oh man, she is hilarious. "You didn't even share!" "I make 15 f**ing posts on Facebook" She has got a handle on the internet, man. Love the jiggling ice cubes.

360 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:12:52am

re: #353 NJDhockeyfan

I'm entitled to my own opinion. You are too. If you believe closing the FEMA assistance center on Staten Island is fine, that's OK. I think it sucks for all the people without power and a warm place to sleep who could have benefited inside that building.

Your 'concern' for FEMA is noted.

361 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:13:16am

FEMA at Midland Beach (from two days ago) - note that they're in a parking lot adjacent to the beach:

Winds yesterday along the coast topped 40mph. That's enough to do additional damage to items not held down or from debris flying through the air.

362 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:13:59am

re: #361 lawhawk

FEMA at Midland Beach (from two days ago) - note that they're in a parking lot adjacent to the beach:

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Winds yesterday along the coast topped 40mph. That's enough to do additional damage to items not held down or from debris flying through the air.

They moved!

Obama's Katrina!!

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363 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:15:08am

Let's search on Twitter. Oh look, here's the top Tweet!

364 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:17:37am

re: #353 NJDhockeyfan

I'm entitled to my own opinion. You are too. If you believe closing the FEMA assistance center on Staten Island is fine, that's OK. I think it sucks for all the people without power and a warm place to sleep who could have benefited inside that building.

It is an assistance center where you fill out paperwork, not a shelter. WTF are you talking about?

Ohh, I see...from the article you cited...

Repeated calls to confirm the locations of Red Cross shelters in NYC proved fruitless, and according to the current Red Cross Shelter map, there is only one shelter in NYC, on Staten Island. Red Cross recommends calling 311 to find out the location of warming centers.

The only problem with that is that it is completely wrong...actual, for real, shelter map...

[Link: www.redcross.org...]

365 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:17:52am

So let's create another scenario. If you set up a FEMA office in Kansas after a tornado and then there's a subsequent tornado warning putting the FEMA office right in the path of another tornado they should stay open?

366 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:20:11am

re: #365 Gus

So let's create another scenario. If you set up a FEMA office in Kansas after a tornado and then there's a subsequent tornado warning putting the FEMA office right in the path of another tornado they should stay open?

I saw a FEMA guy wearing a raincoat. Doesn't he know that there are people out there in NYC who need raincoats? Another FEMA failure.

If only FEMA was using the all-weather robots that I suggested, we wouldn't have these problems.

367 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:20:51am

re: #365 Gus

So let's create another scenario. If you set up a FEMA office in Kansas after a tornado and then there's a subsequent tornado warning putting the FEMA office right in the path of another tornado they should stay open?

They would need to be taking shelter along with everyone else. Maybe we should go back to using St. Bernards when there is no power.

368 Coracle  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:21:00am

re: #365 Gus

So let's create another scenario. If you set up a FEMA office in Kansas after a tornado and then there's a subsequent tornado warning putting the FEMA office right in the path of another tornado they should stay open?

Only if you can blame some other failure on the administration you dislike. Or hell, just make one up.

369 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:23:40am

re: #368 Coracle

Only if you can blame some other failure on the administration you dislike. Or hell, just make one up.

I can see already it's some dumb Drudge meme of sorts. They're probably open again. These people seem to forget that some of them are set up tents. They also have electronic equipment. They're seriously confused. After losing on Tuesday their minds are still spinning. Let alone the fact that Drudge, regardless of his success, is a rather stupid man.

370 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:23:56am

re: #367 prairiefire

They would need to be tacking shelter along with everyone else. Maybe we should go back to using St. Bernards when there is no power.

Two guys buried in a snowdrift. Up comes a St Bernard with a cask of brandy around it's neck..."Look," says one, "man's best friend!".

"And a dog to bring it, too!", say the other.

371 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:25:37am

The really big government successes from Sandy came before the storm actually hit.

Though government funding of science, whether in education or in buying the actual equipment, we were able to get early warning of the unusual course of the hurricane and its power.

Because of that, we were able to notify people in the most vulnerable areas and get them evacuated. People in the at-risk areas were able to stock up on supplies. Because of the predictions, the emergency teams knew where they would have to go afterwards.

Those two things-- effective evacuation and good prediction-- are the main ways that government saved everyone's bacon.

372 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:25:43am

Spending by independent groups had little election impact, analysis finds

Spending by outside groups, it turns out, was the dog that barked but did not bite. Obama and other Democrats had long made dire predictions about the potential impact of the Supreme Court’s 2010 decision in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, which allowed corporations and unions to spend unlimited money on elections and created a new class of wealthy political groups.
...
If either Romney or Obama had held a substantial cash advantage, it is possible that one candidate could have dominated in the final weeks of the campaign. But the two camps were roughly evenly matched by the end. The result was a kind of dreary equilibrium, as both sides clogged the airwaves with so many attack ads that Republicans began airing spots in California and other deep-blue states.

373 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:27:03am

New York Craigslist Users Making Unethical Bargains for Gas

Hurricane Sandy has made getting gas in New York and New Jersey hell on earth, but things may have bottomed out, finally. New York Craigslist users appear to be whoring themselves out in exchange for gas. The site's Casual Encounters section reveals several people in the area offering sexual favors in exchange for gas.

It's truly a sad day when gas and prostitution cross paths, but alas, there's a black market for everything.

374 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:27:24am

re: #372 Killgore Trout

It's a Red Queen scenario. Spending from one side drives spending from the other, as well as GOTV efforts and such like. It's all a bunch of massively wasted money, which is almost ironic given that a lot of what it's being spent on is complaining about money being wasted.

In addition, it means that those without the ability to spend are more and more marginalized-- free speech, politically, becomes the property of the wealthy, and those without sufficient money have their free speech practically limited.

375 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:28:42am

re: #373 NJDhockeyfan

New York Craigslist Users Making Unethical Bargains for Gas

Bryan Fischer's head must be exploding over the moral and economic ramifications of this one...

376 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:29:34am

re: #375 AK-47%

Bryan Fischer's head must be exploding over the ramification of this one...

If not for gay marriage this would never happened...

377 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:29:56am

re: #375 AK-47%

Bryan Fischer's head must be exploding over the ramification of this one...

And imagine the outrage once they catch Trump's hair engaging in such profiteering...
;P

378 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:31:35am

Thank you so much to the plow-operator who took off my car's driver's side mirror. I was never a fan of the way that thing ruined the contours of my car anyway.

379 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:31:43am
380 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:31:47am

re: #373 NJDhockeyfan

New York Craigslist Users Making Unethical Bargains for Gas

NYC became the site of the new Mad Max film, apparently.

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381 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:32:02am
382 Coracle  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:32:12am

re: #373 NJDhockeyfan

New York Craigslist Users Making Unethical Bargains for Gas

Disaster capitalism. On the other hand, this could be a plot for an potentially blockbuster (if NC-17) remake of Road Warrior.

383 Ian G.  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:32:30am

BTW, as a white guy raised Catholic (but an atheist now who thinks the Pope should be in prison for covering up the child-rape scandal), I'm tired of hearing the whining from the right-wing noise machine about "white America". Fuck you all, National Review, Free Republic, Bill O'Reilly, etc. I have nothing in common with you, and I'd rather stick a pencil in my eye than vote for white Catholic politicians like Rick Santorum or Paul Ryan, let alone some nutcase southerner who flies a Confederate flag on his porch.

I'm proud to be part of the multi-ethnic coalition that sent BHO back to the White House, because that's the future of this country, and I want to be part of it.

384 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:32:49am

re: #380 Targetpractice

NYC became the site of the new Mad Max film, apparently.

/

It's gotten so bad people are trading hours of their lives doing tasks they may find boring or unpleasant to acquire this thing called 'cash', which they're then using to exchange for gas.

It's hell out here.

in all seriousness, Redhook is still fucked. I'm going to go volunteer there tonight.

385 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:32:51am

re: #378 Benghazzy Ben Ross

Thank you so much to the plow-operator who took off my car's driver's side mirror. I was never a fan of the way that thing ruined the contours of my car anyway.

Rear-view mirror are overrated anyway.
//

386 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:34:30am

re: #371 Obdicut

The really big government successes from Sandy came before the storm actually hit.

Though government funding of science, whether in education or in buying the actual equipment, we were able to get early warning of the unusual course of the hurricane and its power.

Because of that, we were able to notify people in the most vulnerable areas and get them evacuated. People in the at-risk areas were able to stock up on supplies. Because of the predictions, the emergency teams knew where they would have to go afterwards.

Those two things-- effective evacuation and good prediction-- are the main ways that government saved everyone's bacon.

Except for the people in Staten Island who were ordered to evacuate and didn't, who then had the balls to complain that it took FEMA three days to start supplying them with free food. If they didn't even have supplies to last three days why the heck did they ignore the evacuation order?

387 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:35:07am
388 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:35:36am

re: #385 NJDhockeyfan

Rear-view mirror are overrated anyway.
//

Now is a time to look forward, not backward.

389 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:35:52am

re: #387 Gus

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Yep.

390 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:35:55am

re: #388 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Now is a time to look forward, not backward.

LOL!

391 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:36:25am

re: #382 Coracle

Disaster capitalism. On the other hand, this could be a plot for an potentially blockbuster (if NC-17) remake of Road Warrior.

Cross "The Warriors", "The Road Warrior" and "Escape From New York".

Mel Gibson vs Kurt Russell...

Cameo by Sylvester Stallone as a misplaced New Jerseyite, but he gets knocked off the top of a tall building in the first 15 minutes of the film.

392 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:37:48am
393 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:38:27am

re: #386 ghazidor

Except for the people in Staten Island who were ordered to evacuate and didn't, who then had the balls to complain that it took FEMA three days to start supplying them with free food. If they didn't even have supplies to last three days why the heck did they ignore the evacuation order?

Well, yeah, you always get holdouts. And the mayor of Atlantic City fucked up. But in general, the evacuation went very well.

394 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:38:27am
395 Coracle  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:39:17am

re: #391 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Cross "The Warriors", "The Road Warrior" and "Escape From New York".

Mel Gibson vs Kurt Russell...

Cameo by Sylvester Stallone as a misplaced New Jerseyite, but he gets knocked off the top of a tall building in the first 15 minutes of the film.

I'm getting in the box office line NOW.

396 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:39:42am

re: #392 NJDhockeyfan

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the red arrow is pointing at a shaved angel.

397 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:42:45am
398 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:43:07am
399 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:43:16am

re: #386 ghazidor

Except for the people in Staten Island who were ordered to evacuate and didn't, who then had the balls to complain that it took FEMA three days to start supplying them with free food. If they didn't even have supplies to last three days why the heck did they ignore the evacuation order?

heh - and notice it's the Staten Island FEMA office closing that had people upthread in a tizzy.

FEMA is a rescue and relief coordinator. A fairly standard rule of lifesaving and rescue is to avoid becoming someone else who needs rescued. It's pretty much that simple.

400 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:43:58am
401 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:44:38am
402 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:44:40am

re: #383 Ian G.

BTW, as a white guy raised Catholic (but an atheist now who thinks the Pope should be in prison for covering up the child-rape scandal), I'm tired of hearing the whining from the right-wing noise machine about "white America". Fuck you all, National Review, Free Republic, Bill O'Reilly, etc. I have nothing in common with you, and I'd rather stick a pencil in my eye than vote for white Catholic politicians like Rick Santorum or Paul Ryan, let alone some nutcase southerner who flies a Confederate flag on his porch.

I'm proud to be part of the multi-ethnic coalition that sent BHO back to the White House, because that's the future of this country, and I want to be part of it.

Drop "southerner" from that. I see plenty of Confederate battle flags flying from porches and flag poles here and there in the "north" as well. I consider it minimally a show of ignorance when I see it.

403 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:44:58am

re: #400 Gus

the tageszeitung is a leftist rag, and that is coming from someone who is pretty far left...

404 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:45:48am

re: #403 AK-47%

the tageszeitung is a leftist rag, and that is coming from someone who is pretty far left...

Those are just Tweets. Not doing any old school paranoid LGF vetting this morning.

405 Sol Berdinowitz  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:46:19am

re: #402 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Drop "southerner" from that. I see plenty of Confederate battle flags flying from porches and flag poles here and there in the "north" as well. I consider it minimally a show of ignorance when I see it.

FWIW, our neighborhood in Gary, Indiana was full of transplanted southerners

406 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:47:22am

Fuck you Drudge and other wingnuts.

407 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:54:23am
408 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:56:48am

Charlie Sheen accused of issuing death threat...

That seems likely.

A man who claims to be a former associate of the Anger Management star filed a police report in Los Angeles on October 18, alleging he is afraid the actor will murder him, based on a text message sent to a mutual friend.

The man said he had recently fallen out with Charlie and claims the actor later sent a text to a female pal that read: 'I'll blow his head off with my Super 90.'

The case is currently under investigation, and officers are planning to speak to the 47-year-old actor about the claims very soon.

While Charlie hasn't commented on the accusation, a friend has claimed the man is looking for money. That also seems likely.

409 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:57:11am

re: #391 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Cross "The Warriors", "The Road Warrior" and "Escape From New York".

Mel Gibson vs Kurt Russell...

Cameo by Sylvester Stallone as a misplaced New Jerseyite, but he gets knocked off the top of a tall building in the first 15 minutes of the film.

My money's on Snake!

410 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:57:13am

re: #401 Gus

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Wow, that's huge. Cuban-Americans breaking for Obama knocks away one of the last little bits of diversity the GOP could lay claim to.

411 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:57:14am

re: #403 AK-47%

the tageszeitung is a leftist rag, and that is coming from someone who is pretty far left...

If you value your eyesight, don't look at the picture of their Berlin publishing house.

I'm serious.

412 erik_t  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:57:17am

Federal Emergency Management Agency. Not Federal Emergency Shelter Agency, or Federal Emergency First Responder Agency. It's in the name ferchrissakes.

413 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:00:11am

re: #409 William Barnett-Lewis

Call me Plissken.

414 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:00:14am

re: #401 Gus

The old Batisata followers are dying off leaving people for whom Cuba is simply a story told by grandma. Once all the Batistaites & the Castro brothers are both dead, then there will be a chance for a better day in Cuba.

415 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:00:41am

re: #410 Obdicut

Wow, that's huge. Cuban-Americans breaking for Obama knocks away one of the last little bits of diversity the GOP could lay claim to.

It's becoming more of a post-Castro world for that community. Younger Cubans with other values. Republican's idea of "Hispanic outreach" usually involves putting a candidate with a Hispanic surname on the ticket.

416 Big Steve  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:02:57am

re: #412 erik_t

Federal Emergency Management Agency. Not Federal Emergency Shelter Agency, or Federal Emergency First Responder Agency. It's in the name ferchrissakes.

This is a really good point about FEMA and it always drives me a little crazy when there is an emergency and FEMA is blamed for not having shelters open, or bottled water, or the power back on. By law and statue the management of all emergencies is local. FEMA's role really comes after the initial stabilization phase.

417 prairiefire  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:03:38am

Oh man, I just realized, Ruthie can retire now. And Scalia. Whewwwwww, so relieved.

418 Coracle  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:04:20am

re: #417 prairiefire

Oh man, I just realized, Ruthie can retire now. And Scalia. Whewwwwww, so relieved.

Scalia first, please.

419 Mattand  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:04:51am

re: #402 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Drop "southerner" from that. I see plenty of Confederate battle flags flying from porches and flag poles here and there in the "north" as well. I consider it minimally a show of ignorance when I see it.

Yeah, it's amazing the amount of shitheads in Philly/South Jersey who proudly display that. Love how they all get defensive when you call them out on flying colors of a "nation" that fought for slavery.

The key is to not engage them for too long; in addition to being stupid, they tend to argue with their fists.

421 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:05:19am

re: #416 Big Steve

This is a really good point about FEMA and it always drives me a little crazy when there is an emergency and FEMA is blamed for not having shelters open, or bottled water, or the power back on. By law and statue the management of all emergencies is local. FEMA's role really comes after the initial stabilization phase.

No, it can be involved in preparatory and initial actions. But again, most of that is as coordinator.

Oh, and FEMA cannot do jack unless and until the Governor makes a formal request. (The term is "Stafford Act." It was a wingnut act to prevent an underhanded martial law to federalization coup against local government.)

422 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:05:34am
423 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:08:27am

re: #420 NJDhockeyfan

Pfc. Bradley Manning offers guilty plea in Wikileaks case

Devil in the details. He's offering to plead guilty to a set of lesser charges in exchange for the serious charges to be dropped.

424 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:08:48am

re: #422 Gus

Speaking of Axelrod:

425 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:10:06am

re: #424 Lidane

Speaking of Axelrod:

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Yep. Saw that. See #401. We're getting further and further away from 1962.

426 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:11:00am

re: #423 kirkspencer

Devil in the details. He's offering to plead guilty to a set of lesser charges in exchange for the serious charges to be dropped.

Not a problem, he still has a chance to spend the rest of his life in a cell.

Even if the court accepts the offer, military prosecutors could still try to prove Manning guilty of the more serious charges. They include aiding the enemy, punishable by life imprisonment.

427 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:11:39am

re: #425 Gus

Yep. Saw that. See #401. We're getting further and further away from 1962.

That's a good thing for America. Bad for a party stuck in 1962. To wit:

428 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:11:51am

re: #425 Gus

Yep. Saw that. See #401. We're getting further and further away from 1962.

What if still listen to all my tunes on a Fisher Futura? Count Basie for life, baby!

429 Big Steve  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:12:16am

re: #421 kirkspencer

No, it can be involved in preparatory and initial actions. But again, most of that is as coordinator.

Oh, and FEMA cannot do jack unless and until the Governor makes a formal request. (The term is "Stafford Act." It was a wingnut act to prevent an underhanded martial law to federalization coup against local government.)

True....it is all controlled by NIMS which is the National Incident Management System which is under Homeland Security. State and local authorities are required to adopt NIMS to get any federal assistance. NIMS gives authority locally (police and cities) and then scales it upward depending on the size of the emergency. But even with the largest events and FEMA involved, NIMS still does not supersede local authority's role in their jurisdiction.

430 erik_t  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:12:49am

re: #416 Big Steve

This is a really good point about FEMA and it always drives me a little crazy when there is an emergency and FEMA is blamed for not having shelters open, or bottled water, or the power back on. By law and statue the management of all emergencies is local. FEMA's role really comes after the initial stabilization phase.

As it ought to be! One wouldn't expect a federal agency to do a very good job of handling the lowest-level, most detailed and granular local emergency tasks anyway. They're not, y'know, locals. They don't know the area, the people, or the intricacies of the local situation. They will be good at medium- and high-level coordination of logistics and different organization of agencies, because that's something that has more to do with practice and experience than locality, and it's not something at which the locals will be practiced.

Large organizations handle the big picture, small organizations handle the small picture, because that's what they're both good at. It's just basic common sense, or at least it should be.

RABBLE RABBLE GRUMBLE.

431 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:13:22am

re: #423 kirkspencer

Devil in the details. He's offering to plead guilty to a set of lesser charges in exchange for the serious charges to be dropped.

They may well take that just to get it over with. It's really going to hang on things we aren't going to find in the press.

432 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:14:33am
433 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:15:10am

re: #426 NJDhockeyfan

Not a problem, he still has a chance to spend the rest of his life in a cell.

Not on those charges.

434 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:16:19am
435 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:16:43am

The Party of Missing the Fucking Point rolls on:

Yes, because a program that dates back to the establishment of the FCC is what moved votes for POTUS.

436 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:17:14am

re: #432 Lidane

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Via TPM:

The effect was at least as dramatic in swing states, most notably in Colorado, which Obama won on Tuesday. There Latinos went for the president by an astounding 87-10 margin, an edge not far from the near-monolithic support he received from African American voters. In Ohio, with a smaller but still significant Latino population, Obama won by an 82-17 margin.

437 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:17:34am

re: #435 Lidane

A program that was expanded by President Reagan and then GW Bush.

438 Big Steve  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:17:35am

re: #430 erik_t

agreed. When I got elected to city council this past year I chose to become NIMS certified so I could work in my city's emergency management center during emergencies. The certification is through each state but the courses are provided through NIMS. I was very impressed at how the law was written. Over and over it stresses that State and Federal agencies are NOT to run roughshod over local authorities for the very reasons that you state.

439 Killgore Trout  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:18:29am

re: #426 NJDhockeyfan

Not a problem, he still has a chance to spend the rest of his life in a cell.

And maybe he'll testify against Assange. There's hope.

440 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:18:31am

re: #435 Lidane

The Party of Missing the Fucking Point rolls on:

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Yes, because a program that dates back to the establishment of the FCC is what moved votes for POTUS.

Which of course isn't an "Obama phone." But whatever, these people won't listen or come to their senses. If the GOP wants to be led by ad hoc "leaders" and bigots like Mark Steyn it's all the better for Democrats.

441 erik_t  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:19:21am

re: #438 Big Steve

I was very impressed at how the law was written. Over and over it stresses that State and Federal agencies are NOT to run roughshod over local authorities for the very reasons that you state.

State and Federal agencies frankly have no interest in running roughshod over local authorities, occasional asshole exceptions and frequent fringe-wingnut freakouts notwithstanding.

442 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:19:42am

re: #408 NJDhockeyfan

Charlie Sheen accused of issuing death threat...

Sniff sniff...
I smell an overheating PR machine for a really marginal show.

443 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:20:38am

re: #435 Lidane

The Party of Missing the Fucking Point rolls on:

Yes, because a program that dates back to the establishment of the FCC is what moved votes for POTUS.

Still denial and excuse mode. The question is whether the people and pundits opts to continue living with red-spec glasses on, or start doing some serious analysis on how to address issues from an ethical and adult viewpoint. (I include "ethical" because one potential solution would be to go all out down the disenfranchisement road.)

444 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:21:41am
445 blueraven  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:21:43am

re: #372 Killgore Trout

Spending by independent groups had little election impact, analysis finds

They may not have much of an impact on presidential elections, but they certainly can buy local elections.
House seats especially. That matters.

446 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:22:43am

Gee, ya think?

Who could have ever guessed that anti-immigrant rhetoric, the prominence of assholes like Joe Arpaio, talk of "self-deportation" and hateful, bigoted laws like SB 1070 in Arizona might affect the Latino vote?

447 Big Steve  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:23:57am

Is the David Koch who sponsors NOVA on PBS one of "the Koch Brothers"?

448 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:24:13am

re: #446 Lidane

Not to mention GOP judges shielding bigots in Podunk, Appalachia.

449 erik_t  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:24:18am

re: #446 Lidane

@mpoindc "We have a Latino problem that just cost us a national election." - @murphymike just now on NBC.

Fucking douche. Latinos have a problem, and their problem is that half of the political leadership in their own country doesn't think they're worth the fucking time of day.

450 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:24:19am

I trust everyone is enjoying their Kenyan-style socialism today?

451 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:24:20am

re: #447 Big Steve

Is the David Koch who sponsors NOVA on PBS one of "the Koch Brothers"?

Yep.

452 erik_t  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:24:33am

re: #447 Big Steve

Is the David Koch who sponsors NOVA on PBS one of "the Koch Brothers"?

Surprisingly, yes. I don't understand it either.

453 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:24:53am

Douchebag alert...

Bill Maher compares Romney campaign to last days of Nazi Germany

Comedian Bill Maher Wednesday compared election night at the Romney campaign to the final days in Nazi Germany.

Appearing on MSNBC’s "Hardball with Chris Matthews," Maher offered what he thought Mitt Romney aides were saying to the candidate as they learned the election results.

“I think they were still saying ‘yes Mein Fuhrer, you still have twelve divisions on the eastern front’ — I mean, until they actually heard the artillery,” he said, likening the Romney campaign's last moments to Nazi leadership's belief they could win until they had already been defeated.

“I guess I should stop with the Hitler analogies,” Maher, who is of Jewish heritage, continued.

“I think Hitler never works myself,” Matthews added.

Earlier in the interview Maher made another Nazi reference when asked if Republican strategist and Fox News contributor Karl Rove is the last person to “admit if something new is happening.”

“It was a little Hitler’s bunker, wasn’t it? I really wanted to rush in with a cyanide capsule there,” Maher said. Referring to the 2004 German film "Downfall," Maher continued, “I thought he was gonna say ‘I do not want to live in a world without National Socialism’ — OK Mrs. Goebbels.”

"Downfall" has been the subject of many parodies, known as “Hitler Reacts,” that feature a scene in the bunker where Hitler is told that he was going to lose the war.

Nazis? Hitler? Hey Bill Maher, go FY.

454 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:24:55am

re: #441 erik_t

State and Federal agencies frankly have no interest in running roughshod over local authorities, occasional asshole exceptions and frequent fringe-wingnut freakouts notwithstanding.

And in fact, one of the problems that happens is that locals will refuse to release excess resources. Not often, not even regularly, but frequently enough that dealing with it is part of the federal guide book.

455 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:25:23am

re: #446 Lidane

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Gee, ya think?

Who could have ever guessed that anti-immigrant rhetoric, the prominence of assholes like Joe Arpaio, talk of "self-deportation" and hateful, bigoted laws like SB 1070 in Arizona might affect the Latino vote?

Yes. Latinos are a problem. I just can't figure out why you guys are having such difficulty with that...

456 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:25:25am

Americans who voted for Obama want free stuff and Obama phone. Hurr, hurr, and derpity, derpy do!
-- Mark Steyn

457 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:27:37am

Good morning. Thanks for the promo, Charles. I didn't expect that for this one (I guess I never do).

I want to add two notes.

Bonus points to Decatur Deb. He had multiple entries in my 'how it's done' file, and still doesn't know whether it fully paid off or not. I'm sure it sent a message, whatever the ultimate result.

And special kudos to Obdicut, because his was the first entry in my 'how it's done' file. I didn't include it above because it's not election related. It's what you do between elections to make it work. Since we are now between elections, it is highly relevant.

And the way to combat this [the political mess around climate change], beyond attempting to live a life that's restrained in its use of resources, is to write to your congresspeople, your senators, your representatives-- at every level-- to your governor, the president, to absolutely everyone you can think of, and tell them how important this issue is to you.

Speak up when you hear scientists slandered, direct people to good resources like [Link: [Link: www.skepticalscience.org....]...] Stress that we can do something about the problem, and that if we don't take the lead in green energy, China will, and America will lose its dominance in the world. Stress that green energy means jobs, and black energy means the loss of jobs.

This is about climate change. There are many other issues where the same strategy can be put to use.

Let's get to work.

458 erik_t  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:27:43am

Trololololol.

Romney's Transition Site
It appears Mitt Romney's campaign prepared a transition site in the event that he won.

The site was quickly taken down but I saved screenshots.

Prepare for every eventuality, Romneybot, but here's a friendly hint: don't upload the goddamned transition-site pages until you actually win.

What a gloriously clueless campaign.

459 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:28:11am

Conor Friedersdorf states the obvious:

How Conservative Media Lost to the MSM and Failed the Rank and File

Before rank-and-file conservatives ask, "What went wrong?", they should ask themselves a question every bit as important: "Why were we the last to realize that things were going wrong for us?"

Barack Obama just trounced a Republican opponent for the second time. But unlike four years ago, when most conservatives saw it coming, Tuesday's result was, for them, an unpleasant surprise. So many on the right had predicted a Mitt Romney victory, or even a blowout -- Dick Morris, George Will, and Michael Barone all predicted the GOP would break 300 electoral votes. Joe Scarborough scoffed at the notion that the election was anything other than a toss-up. Peggy Noonan insisted that those predicting an Obama victory were ignoring the world around them. Even Karl Rove, supposed political genius, missed the bulls-eye. These voices drove the coverage on Fox News, talk radio, the Drudge Report, and conservative blogs.

Those audiences were misinformed.

Outside the conservative media, the narrative was completely different. Its driving force was Nate Silver, whose performance forecasting Election '08 gave him credibility as he daily explained why his model showed that President Obama enjoyed a very good chance of being reelected. Other experts echoed his findings. Readers of The New York Times, The Atlantic, and other "mainstream media" sites besides knew the expert predictions, which have been largely born out. The conclusions of experts are not sacrosanct. But Silver's expertise was always a better bet than relying on ideological hacks like Morris or the anecdotal impressions of Noonan.

Sure, Silver could've wound up wrong. But people who rejected the possibility of his being right? They were operating at a self-imposed information disadvantage.

460 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:29:06am
461 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:29:21am

re: #449 erik_t

Fucking douche. Latinos have a problem, and their problem is that half of the political leadership in their own country doesn't think they're worth the fucking time of day.

Actually, that's basically what he said - just phrased differently.

In my experience the racists are a minority of the party. However, they're loud and tend to get some things done. They also claim credit for various actions not intended to be racist but which could be used in that fashion.

Consider for example how every frigging immigration bill used pictures of non-whites. No, we don't have illegal Europeans here, not at all. (Personally I think the whole immigration thing is overdone - I'm actually in favor of significant opening. But the point is the focus makes it appear racist whether intended as such or not.)

462 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:31:00am
463 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:35:35am

re: #284 Barflytom

It seems I didn't get my subsidy check from the Obamaphone lady. Perhaps if the US Postal Service was run more efficiently by a private company it would have arrived on time.

You should go get some cleaning supplies. Your dog whistle is quite filthy.

464 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:35:55am

ACORNZ!!

465 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:36:07am

re: #458 erik_t

Trololololol.

Prepare for every eventuality, Romneybot, but here's a friendly hint: don't upload the goddamned transition-site pages until you actually win.

What a gloriously clueless campaign.

Had a victory speech ready, had a transition site ready, but never prepared for the eventuality of a loss.

Some call it confidence, I call it arrogance.

466 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:36:11am

re: #462 Gus

Meh. Conor Friedersdorf.

Well, yes. He's a douche. But still, someone has to point out to the RWNJs that their entire media structure is designed to keep them stupid and uninformed, and they just showed how much of a bubble they live in.

467 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:36:19am
468 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:37:17am

re: #464 Gus

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ACORNZ!!

I had a friend on FB post that same map as some sort of proof that even though Obama won again, most of the country agrees with the GOP.

I didn't have the heart to point out that the blue patches on that map correspond with the most populated areas of the country.

469 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:37:55am

re: #467 Benghazzy Ben Ross

470 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:37:55am

re: #462 Gus

Holy shit, look at that shameless ratfucking.

I find it fascinating he blames Obama for Bush era precedents while calling himself a conservative.

471 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:37:57am

re: #468 Lidane

I had a friend on FB post that same map as some sort of proof that even though Obama won again, most of the country agrees with the GOP.

I didn't have the heart to point out that the blue patches on that map correspond with the most populated areas of the country.

Population density is like maths. It's teh hard.

472 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:38:26am

re: #453 NJDhockeyfan

Douchebag alert...

Bill Maher compares Romney campaign to last days of Nazi Germany

Nazis? Hitler? Hey Bill Maher, go FY.

How many "Downfall" spoofs of the election on Youtube?

473 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:38:29am
474 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:38:45am

re: #470 dragonath

Holy shit, look at that shameless ratfucking.

I find it fascinating he blames Obama for Bush era precedents while calling himself a conservative.

Yeah. I blew a had gasket when I read that.

475 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:38:56am

re: #469 lawhawk

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If that man told me there was a 10% chance that the sky was green, I'd have to go outside and check.

476 Ian G.  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:39:56am

National Review tears are the best.

I mean, Freepers and WND and the like are fine and all, but I love reading through the "sophisticated" opinions of people like Mark Steyn, David Gelernter, and Kathryn Jean Lopez. They're just as delusional as your typical Freeper, it's just that they use bigger words and spend more time stroking their own egos.

477 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:40:06am

re: #471 Gus

Population density is like maths. It's teh hard.

Contrary to what most gas bags will tell you, Mass > Volume.

478 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:40:22am

re: #453 NJDhockeyfan

Douchebag alert...

Bill Maher compares Romney campaign to last days of Nazi Germany

Nazis? Hitler? Hey Bill Maher, go FY.

Yeah, Matthews wasn't having any of it, saying that schtick never works, and Maher admitted during the interview that he realized it was probably not a good approach (i.e. he basically apologised in real time). Nontroversy.

479 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:40:49am

re: #471 Gus

Population density is like maths. It's teh hard.

Yeah, I remember seeing those maps election night, being told about how it "proves" the country is really "center-right."

480 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:40:58am

re: #478 darthstar

Yeah, Matthews wasn't having any of it, saying that schtick never works, and Maher admitted during the interview that he realized it was probably not a good approach (i.e. he basically apologised in real time). Nontroversy.

Still pissed at Matthews for saying he was so glad we had that storm.

481 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:41:20am

re: #460 Gus

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482 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:42:15am

re: #284 Barflytom

It seems I didn't get my subsidy check from the Obamaphone lady. Perhaps if the US Postal Service was run more efficiently by a private company it would have arrived on time.

ooh, ooh, I get to use one of my new favorites.

Sandy shut down FedEx and the UPS for about four days after the storm. The USPS, however, continued to deliver during those four days.

UPS and FedEx are efficient. USPS, on the other hand, is effective.

483 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:42:54am

re: #479 Targetpractice

Yeah, I remember seeing those maps election night, being told about how it "proves" the country is really "center-right."

What you need is something like a bubble map. I doubt that would convince them however considering some think that science and math is "of the debil!"

484 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:43:05am

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds.

485 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:43:36am

re: #468 Lidane

I had a friend on FB post that same map as some sort of proof that even though Obama won again, most of the country agrees with the GOP.

I didn't have the heart to point out that the blue patches on that map correspond with the most populated areas of the country.

And how much of that open land is BLM - which means it votes for the incumbent by default?
/ ;)

486 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:43:43am

re: #467 Four More Tears

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487 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:43:52am

re: #482 kirkspencer

ooh, ooh, I get to use one of my new favorites.

Sandy shut down FedEx and the UPS for about four days after the storm. The USPS, however, continued to deliver during those four days.

UPS and FedEx are efficient. USPS, on the other hand, is effective.

Yeah, I remember walking out on Monday, during what were effectively the worst hours of Sandy for us, and still finding mail in the mailbox. Little soggy around the edges, but still delivered nonetheless.

488 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:44:23am

re: #484 dragonath

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds.

UPS/FEDEX: If there's snow, rain, or heat, you're SOL.

489 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:44:43am

re: #487 Targetpractice

Yeah, I remember walking out on Monday, during what were effectively the worst hours of Sandy for us, and still finding mail in the mailbox. Little soggy around the edges, but still delivered nonetheless.

How much of it was political campaign junk mail or advertising flyers?

490 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:44:44am

re: #486 Dark_Falcon

Come on, I know you're excited for President Santorum.

491 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:45:09am

re: #489 Vicious Babushka

How much of it was political campaign junk mail or advertising flyers?

Still too much for my tastes.

492 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:45:55am

re: #473 darthstar

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Heh. What a transparent clown.

493 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:45:59am

Jon Stewart last night. Epicness.

Is this just math you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better, or is this real?

-Megyn Kelly

494 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:46:24am

re: #491 Targetpractice

Still too much for my tastes.

Bridge Troll Matty Moroun spent MILLIONS on mass junk mailings and misleading attack ads. He still got his ass whipped.

495 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:47:06am

re: #476 Ian G.

National Review tears are the best.

I mean, Freepers and WND and the like are fine and all, but I love reading through the "sophisticated" opinions of people like Mark Steyn, David Gelernter, and Kathryn Jean Lopez. They're just as delusional as your typical Freeper, it's just that they use bigger words and spend more time stroking their own egos.

Lopez isn't delusional, and there's a lot of good stuff on NR today. Here, have some:

This election was more than just a race between Barack Obama and Mitt Romney, more than just a battle between liberalism and conservatism. It was a race between two different visions of what the American electorate looks like. Democrats saw the race through the lens of the “emerging Democratic majority.” Rising numbers of minority voters — and a corresponding declining white vote — meant that Democrats were playing with the wind at their backs. Add to that young voters, upscale professionals, and single women, and you have a pretty durable coalition that could push President Obama across the finish line despite the stagnant economy.

On the other hand, Republicans saw this as a “Silent Majority” election. They were trying to refight the 1980s, putting together the political coalition that gave the country the Reagan Revolution: evangelicals, working-class white Catholic “Reagan Democrats,” small businessmen, and rural voters. Conservative pundits kept saying that polls were wrong because they oversampled Democrats and ignored Republican enthusiasm. They seemed to argue that the polls were missing potential GOP voters who would show up on Election Day and oust Obama.

Unfortunately, we can now safely say which vision won in yesterday’s election. There was no silent majority of right-leaning voters to take Romney across the finish line. The white vote continued to decline, from 74 percent in 2008 to 72 percent in 2012, while the Hispanic vote went from around 7 percent to around 10 percent. Exit polls showed that women were 53 percent of the electorate this time around. Obama had an 11-point lead among women, while Romney had only a 7-point lead among men.

Republicans misunderstood the enthusiasm they were seeing among Romney supporters. It’s true that there was a great deal of energy on the GOP side, as seen by the large crowds Romney attracted to his campaign events. However, your base can be as energized as possible, but if it is a declining percentage of the overall electorate, there is not much that you can do.

496 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:47:49am

re: #473 darthstar

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Good for him and his employees. These employees were not as fortunate.

Vegas Employer: Obama Won, So I Fired 22 Employees

497 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:50:03am

re: #458 erik_t

Trololololol.

Prepare for every eventuality, Romneybot, but here's a friendly hint: don't upload the goddamned transition-site pages until you actually win.

What a gloriously clueless campaign.

As I recall, rwnjs freaked out about Obama's "Office of the President-Elect". Now I'm laughing.

498 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:50:23am

Freepers weigh in on Puerto Rican statehood:

Great! Then we’ll just need six more!!
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Great idea. 3 million more socialist voters in the voting booths.
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2 more Rat Senators and another 1 million Rat votes, and 3 million more on the dole, what could go wrong?
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Puerto Ricans pay U.S. taxes, not in Obama's America.
They will trade voting for dimocRATS for taxes.
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Who care what THEY want, don’t we here in the lower 48, Alaska and Hawaii get to say about this? I vote NO.
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Puerto Rico has a Republican gov. The one thing I dislike about FR is the constant bashing of Hispanics. There are many of us who are Conservatives, and many more who have served this country honorably in the military.
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They just voted out a Governor in Luis Fortuno who completely turned around their economy. He did a Scott Walker and then some, has almost eliminated a $3.3 billion deficit, unbelievable economic growth and investment, bond rating up from junk status. Opponent portryed him as a greedy, out of touch, rich, businessman and beat him. Sound familiar? Pass on statehood.
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Can we make Israel a state?.... with 120 electoral votes?
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It’s not about votes.. It’s about 0bama getting the excuse he needs to CHANGE OUR FLAG. I’m thinking the color ‘yellow’ is top on his list. Bye bye old glory. Phase II of the grand Socialist transformation. Will probably have his ‘O’ or his picture on it, too.
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More socialists? Is that what we want?
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Now, isn’t that just ducky.

A whole state of welfare recipients.

What could go wrong?
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Heck yes, we need Puerto Rico as another state. Then Cuba, Mexico and a few African states - just as long as we don’t get stuck with more of those constitution loving white people.

Oh, and load up on more dope smoking homosexuals too... lots of ‘em.

AND, female with breathing vaginas.... I just learned on FR that those even exist, so I’m down for more breathing vaginas... I just don’t want them to talk.

No, I am not racist, but today - I’m starting to feel a wee bit “racist leaning”.

Gee. Can't imagine why the GOP has a problem getting Latino votes.

499 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:51:37am

re: #425 Gus

Yep. Saw that. See #401. We're getting further and further away from 1962.

April 15th 1961 just doesn't mean as much as it used to...

Definitely right up near the top of the strangest moments in American history list though. How the CIA tried to force the United States into a war with Cuba to save 1400 Cuban Americans that they had trained to invade Cuba. Poor suckers had been assured that the U.S. would back them once they were ashore too.

Strange days that...

500 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:51:53am

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

Lopez isn't delusional, and there's a lot of good stuff on NR today. Here, have some:

Republicans misunderstood the enthusiasm they were seeing among Romney supporters. It’s true that there was a great deal of energy on the GOP side, as seen by the large crowds Romney attracted to his campaign events. However, your base can be as energized as possible, but if it is a declining percentage of the overall electorate, there is not much that you can do.

Hence the GOP's present dilemma, because they simply can't divorce themselves from their base with the expectation that it will reap greater rewards with moderate voters. Why? Because those moderate voters came out for the GOP in '10 on promises of focus on jobs and bipartisanship, and instead got a focus on ladyparts, overturning Obama's apple cart, and a debt limit fight that led to a credit downgrade. Fool me once...

501 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:52:14am

re: #496 NJDhockeyfan

Good for him and his employees. These employees were not as fortunate.

Vegas Employer: Obama Won, So I Fired 22 Employees

So David in Florida does the honorable thing while David in Nevada decides to do the asshole thing.

May David Seigel finally get his house built and may those in it find happiness. May David of Vegas be buried in desert bunker with only a copy of Atlas Shrugged to pass the time with.

502 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:52:43am

re: #498 Lidane

Freepers weigh in on Puerto Rican statehood:

Gee. Can't imagine why the GOP has a problem getting Latino votes.

Outreach!

503 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:53:09am

re: #498 Lidane

Freepers weigh in on Puerto Rican statehood:

Gee. Can't imagine why the GOP has a problem getting Latino votes.

yeah.

I'm not racist, but ...


means "Yes, I'm a racist. I just don't admit it."

504 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:54:29am

See also:

505 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:54:30am
506 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:54:36am

Florida still hasn't called? Laura Mercy.

507 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:54:43am

re: #498 Lidane

Freepers weigh in on Puerto Rican statehood:

Gee. Can't imagine why the GOP has a problem getting Latino votes.

And yet, when the subject of GOP opposition to PR statehood was brought up on another board I'm on, the wingnuts assured me that the GOP wasn't racist because PR statehood is a plank in their party's platform.

508 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:55:48am

re: #507 Targetpractice

And yet, when the subject of GOP opposition to PR statehood was brought up on another board I'm on, the wingnuts assured me that the GOP wasn't racist because PR statehood is a plank in their party's platform.

We shall see about that. We shall see.

God, I can't fucking wait to see...

509 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:55:55am

re: #506 dragonath

Florida still hasn't called? Laura Mercy.

They should put away the abacus and bring out the calculators.

510 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:55:59am

re: #480 Four More Tears

Still pissed at Matthews for saying he was so glad we had that storm.

He apologized profusely, and without excuse, saying he wasn't only wrong, but stupid. He said he wasn't going to use his marathon schedule of election coverage as an excuse. He got wrapped up in politics, and forgot about the human costs of the storm, and that he was sorry.

What more do you want?

511 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:57:03am

re: #506 dragonath

Florida still hasn't called? Laura Mercy.

If Florida calls, Alan West loses.

512 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:57:52am

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

However, your base can be as energized as possible, but if it is a declining percentage of the overall electorate, there is not much that you can do.

The GOP needs to realize that demographics are destiny. They can't just keep aiming for the angry white guy anymore. They have to face reality and admit all the social, political, and cultural progress we've made since Gutenberg invented movable type.

Problem is, aiming for people that aren't just the angry white guy means pissing off the party base that you've built of all those angry white guys. They're not going to take kindly to languages that aren't English and to women, minorities and immigrants being given a seat at the table. But that has to happen if the GOP is going to have any hope of continued survival.

513 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:57:56am

re: #504 Four More Tears

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My response to Silver's "writing" tweet is down in the election threads, but I repeat myself:

Willard, you have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting.

514 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:58:24am

re: #496 NJDhockeyfan

Good for him and his employees. These employees were not as fortunate.

Vegas Employer: Obama Won, So I Fired 22 Employees

What an idiot. As if the anti-Obama crowd needed to look any more insane and cruel.

515 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:59:31am

re: #510 darthstar

He apologized profusely, and without excuse, saying he wasn't only wrong, but stupid. He said he wasn't going to use his marathon schedule of election coverage as an excuse. He got wrapped up in politics, and forgot about the human costs of the storm, and that he was sorry.

What more do you want?

I want Chris Matthews to admit he's a hack, flog himself before his TV audience and then disappear never to be seen again.

/How's that for an answer?

516 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:59:47am

re: #514 Obdicut

Holy cow, did the freeper crowd find that article first?

517 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 8:59:56am

re: #515 Dark_Falcon

I want Chris Matthews to admit he's a hack, flog himself before his TV audience and then disappear never to be seen again.

/How's that for an answer?

Only if Dick Morris does it first.

518 Ian G.  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:00:27am

re: #498 Lidane

Can we make Israel a state?.... with 120 electoral votes?

I'm always creeped out by the far-right's Israel fetish. They're aware the country is not some Biblical fantasy-land, right? And that the population is not just a bunch of Netanyahu clones, right?

Someone should go to Freeperland and tell them Israel has universal health care coverage and allows gays to serve openly in the IDF.

519 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:00:27am

re: #513 Targetpractice

My response to Silver's "writing" tweet is down in the election threads, but I repeat myself:

Willard, you have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting.

"Days like these are far too rare..."

Loved that movie because it didn't take itself too seriously.

520 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:00:59am

re: #498 Lidane

Freepers weigh in on Puerto Rican statehood:

Gee. Can't imagine why the GOP has a problem getting Latino votes.

Edit:

Bozos. Luis Fortuño is still governor. There's also this, "George Will endorsed Fortuño's support for statehood as a national Republican strategy." Can people be any more stupid?

re: #532 Gus

Correction. He did lose the reelection.

521 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:01:19am

re: #510 darthstar

He apologized profusely, and without excuse, saying he wasn't only wrong, but stupid. He said he wasn't going to use his marathon schedule of election coverage as an excuse. He got wrapped up in politics, and forgot about the human costs of the storm, and that he was sorry.

What more do you want?

A suspension. What he said was far worse to me than what Schultz was suspended for.

522 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:01:45am

re: #514 Obdicut

Also:

“Well unfortunately, and most of my employees are Hispanic — I’m not gonna go into what kind of company I have, but I have mostly Hispanic employees — well unfortunately we know what happened and I can’t wait around anymore, I have to be proactive. I had to lay off 22 people today to make sure that my business is gonna thrive and I’m gonna be around for years to come."

What the flying fuck.

523 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:02:29am

re: #520 Gus

Bozos. Luis Fortuño is still governor. There's also this, "George Will endorsed Fortuño's support for statehood as a national Republican strategy." Can people be any more stupid?

...

...Luis Fortuño's position on President Obama’s initiative has been to side with his Republican counterparts. On February 24th of 2010, he stated in an interview with the local press that Obama’s proposal would have “unfortunate results for Puerto Rico...

More here.

524 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:02:37am

re: #522 dragonath

Also:

What the flying fuck.

Makes me wonder if all the people he let go were Hispanic.

525 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:03:15am

re: #457 wrenchwench

Good morning. Thanks for the promo, Charles. I didn't expect that for this one (I guess I never do).

I want to add two notes.

Bonus points to Decatur Deb. He had multiple entries in my 'how it's done' file, and still doesn't know whether it fully paid off or not. I'm sure it sent a message, whatever the ultimate result.

And special kudos to Obdicut, because his was the first entry in my 'how it's done' file. I didn't include it above because it's not election related. It's what you do between elections to make it work. Since we are now between elections, it is highly relevant.

This is about climate change. There are many other issues where the same strategy can be put to use.

Let's get to work.

I need a hobby... hm...Voldemort.

526 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:03:23am

re: #512 Lidane

The GOP needs to realize that demographics are destiny. They can't just keep aiming for the angry white guy anymore. They have to face reality and admit all the social, political, and cultural progress we've made since Gutenberg invented movable type.

Problem is, aiming for people that aren't just the angry white guy means pissing off the party base that you've built of all those angry white guys. They're not going to take kindly to languages that aren't English and to women, minorities and immigrants being given a seat at the table. But that has to happen if the GOP is going to have any hope of continued survival.

Think in large part it's come down to the reality that the GOP finds itself in the same position a lot of former parties did before they went the way of disco: A shrinking party base that is totally resistant to change and rapidly shifting voter demographics. The days of white male dominance of politics are swiftly ending and the GOP has no way of adapting to that without losing its identity.

527 Ian G.  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:03:30am

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

Lopez isn't delusional, and there's a lot of good stuff on NR today. Here, have some:

I think Lopez is delusional when it comes to religious issues. Few Catholics, let alone Catholic women, are as far to the right as the clergy, and Lopez can't seem to grasp that. Also, she's out of her mind if she thinks there's any going back on gay marriage. It's over, it's just a matter of when Texas and Alabama and the like grant recognition to same-sex marriage.

528 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:03:56am

re: #523 Gus

...

More here.

A wingnut no less.

Grant the pre-born equal protection under 14th Amendment.
Fortuno co-sponsored granting the pre-born equal protection under 14th Amendment

Bill would implement equal protection under the 14th Amendment to the Constitution for the right to life of each born and preborn human person. The Right to Life Act declares that the right to life guaranteed by the Constitution is vested in each human being, and defines "human being" to encompass all stages of life, including the moment of fertilization or cloning.

529 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:04:06am

re: #512 Lidane

The GOP needs to realize that demographics are destiny. They can't just keep aiming for the angry white guy anymore. They have to face reality and admit all the social, political, and cultural progress we've made since Gutenberg invented movable type.

Problem is, aiming for people that aren't just the angry white guy means pissing off the party base that you've built of all those angry white guys. They're not going to take kindly to languages that aren't English and to women, minorities and immigrants being given a seat at the table. But that has to happen if the GOP is going to have any hope of continued survival.

Demographics aren't a be all and end all. It does what color a man's skin is, it's what he believes that matters. But for that to be worth anything, you have to accept why he might not think the way you do and work to explain yourself from a sympathetic position. Shouting "Oh Noes, Brown People!!1" won't get you anything but defeat.

530 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:04:18am


531 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:04:26am

re: #517 Lidane

Only if Dick Morris does it first.

Works for me.

532 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:04:35am

Correction. He did lose the reelection.

533 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:05:44am

re: #518 Ian G.

Creeped out? It utterly dumbfounds me. I've never understood the enormous role Israel plays in U.S. politics. I get that some folks have historical/religious ties to it, but to me, the only reason it seems to be such a huge issue is the bloc of Jewish voters in the country (used to hear about them in Florida when I was a kid, but I'm sure they're significant in other areas).

I've got no problem supporting them (though it seems to be overboard at times), but that country has been politically dry-humped to the point of bleeding. Just don't understand it.

534 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:05:59am

re: #532 Gus

Correction. He did lose the reelection.

Awesome. He's out. Here's the new governor, Alejandro García Padilla. Democrat baby!

535 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:06:51am

re: #529 Dark_Falcon

Demographics aren't a be all and end all. It does what color a man's skin is, it's what he believes that matters. But for that to be worth anything, you have to accept why he might not think the way you do and work to explain yourself from a sympathetic position. Shouting "Oh Noes, Brown People!!1" won't get you anything but defeat.

Next time they feel the urge to pounce on "wise Latina woman," it might help to resist it.

536 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:07:16am

re: #522 dragonath

Also:

What the flying fuck.

Probably construction, and construction in Vegas has been dead since I last visited there a few years ago. They had even stopped construction on a couple high rise casino's at that time because of investors fear that they were just pouring money down a hole. I have a feeling that this would have happened no matter who got elected. The shit for brains probably should have done it a few months ago but held off to get some free publicity from his actions. I think he is a major league asshole (as W would say) at any rate.

537 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:08:23am

re: #498 Lidane

Freepers weigh in on Puerto Rican statehood:

Gee. Can't imagine why the GOP has a problem getting Latino votes.

I see what he did there...

Great! Then we’ll just need six more!!

So 57 states, as in "Heinz 57," a derogatory term used for both mixed breed dogs and humans, commonly seen on Stormfront and similar venues...

538 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:08:41am

re: #522 dragonath

As Alouette says, he's basically asking for a handout from the government. If he doesn't provide health insurance for his workers, and they have to rely on government-subsidized health plans to get by, then he pays a penalty for that.

What I don't know is how much of an idiot this guy is being. I don't know what the minimum quality of shitty health plan he can offer is, because I know Wal-Mart, for example, offers an incredibly shitty piece of health insurance for its workers, with a tiny maximum payout.

539 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:09:09am

re: #284 Barflytom

It seems I didn't get my subsidy check from the Obamaphone lady. Perhaps if the US Postal Service was run more efficiently by a private company it would have arrived on time.

The ignorance is strong in this one.

-- Rush The Hutt

540 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:09:49am

re: #537 ghazidor

I thought it was in reference to Obama's gaffe when he mentioned 57 states?

541 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:10:03am

re: #528 Gus

Fortuno is also very much anti-LGBT rights. I think his party was pushing a bill that would eliminate hate crime protections.

542 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:10:18am

re: #533 Ghost of Tom Joad

Jews are a tiny percentage of the population. The Israel stuff is far more for the consumption of the apocalyptic Christians and the warmongery types.

543 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:10:42am

re: #529 Dark_Falcon

Demographics aren't a be all and end all. It does what color a man's skin is, it's what he believes that matters. But for that to be worth anything, you have to accept why he might not think the way you do and work to explain yourself from a sympathetic position. Shouting "Oh Noes, Brown People!!1" won't get you anything but defeat.

The problem is that the GOP thinks the problem is not a matter of skin color, but rather that the people with colors other than white don't realize that the GOP is the "good guys." Look at this past election season and you see plenty of gripes about how Democrats have black people on "the plantation," about how Latinos should "naturally" be Republicans because they're religious and family-oriented, and that women voters don't understand that the the "war on women" is a fantasy that Democrats concocted to scare women away from the GOP.

544 erik_t  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:10:44am

re: #537 ghazidor

I see what he did there...

So 57 states, as in "Heinz 57," a derogatory term used for both mixed breed dogs and humans, commonly seen on Stormfront and similar venues...

I think it's a nod to Obama's slip of the tongue, which has been bleated as a game-changing gaffe for a number of years now.

545 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:10:50am
546 Sionainn  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:13:44am

re: #496 NJDhockeyfan

Good for him and his employees. These employees were not as fortunate.

Vegas Employer: Obama Won, So I Fired 22 Employees

Having listened to Kevin Wall's show every day while driving my kid home from school and listening to the sheer ignorance and insanity coming from the callers, I don't believe that caller for a second.

547 dragonath  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:14:22am

re: #545 Four More Tears

Boy the Republicans really followed through on that plank. Look how quickly they turned.

548 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:14:23am

re: #545 Four More Tears

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Why? Because they're Puerto Ricans. Had this been some anglo-European nation it would be a different story.

549 jamesfirecat  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:14:26am

re: #472 Vicious Babushka

How many "Downfall" spoofs of the election on Youtube?

Not nearly enough honestly, last time I could check I could only find one of Hitler reacting to Mitt Romney's loss and it was pretty lackluster...

I retract my previous statement, this one is pretty good Even dogs were against Romney!

551 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:14:46am

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

Lopez isn't delusional

Lopez is delusional.

How What Happened Happened

It’s hard to hold back a tsunami of secularism in a single election.

Politically, culturally, economically, this may, in fact, be exactly what some of us saw it as: a paradigm-shifting election. For those of us concerned about freedom as we have understood it, it only gets harder now. I’m not happy about the results of this presidential election, but is it all that surprising when one side marches confidently forward in the arenas of politics, in media, in culture, embracing, celebrating, insisting on, mandating a “new normal”?

The lesson is not to be less conservative. The lesson is not to be found in purging social conservatives. The lesson is in taking a look at how the radicals won: Yes, there was the fear element. There was the devil-you-know element. But there is also the fact that all of what they say seems plausible and even not all that radical, because it has been in our cultural milk. Because while they may obscure some of the details and make it all sound mainstream, at the same time they are bold and confident about the extreme positions they believe in. That’s what we’ve got to be.

[...]

But I am thinking of my late friend Andrew Breitbart this morning: He knew they knew the stakes, and looked at his kids, and knew the stakes too. In all our different roles, we have to live like what we believe to be true really is true. My friend Greg Burke recently talked about the “courage of coherence” and I think that is our most potent tool in winning the future, to borrow a phrase.

I actually think there were some steps in the right direction. But not enough, clearly. And that “not enough” has to do with the fact, again, that politics alone will never be our route to civilizational success. We need to make great art that uplifts the spirit. We need to feed a generation wanting something better, supporting their desires to avoid repeating the preceding generation’s model of family life. We need to teach, inspire, feed. We need to rebuild, starting with the basics of what works and what we believe, telling that story with confidence, enthusiasm, and love.

[...]

She doesn't address the fact that people are abandoning what she considers good culture because they don't want it, not because they aren't familiar with it. She doesn't address the racism, homophobia, and sexism inherent in the right wing, which is a big part of 'How what happened happened'.

552 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:14:50am

re: #514 Obdicut

What an idiot. As if the anti-Obama crowd needed to look any more insane and cruel.

Probable bullshit, and if true 'David' is a total business fail. If he fired 22 employees he needs, he's doomed. If he had 22 employees he didn't need, he's doomed.

553 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:15:13am

re: #496 NJDhockeyfan

Good for him and his employees. These employees were not as fortunate.

Vegas Employer: Obama Won, So I Fired 22 Employees

He fired his Hispanic employees. Expect to see him in court soon.

554 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:15:27am
555 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:16:22am

re: #553 darthstar

He fired his Hispanic employees. Expect to see him in court soon.

And he'll probably end up rehiring most of them because arbitrarily reducing your headcount by 15% has an impact on business.

556 erik_t  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:16:50am

re: #552 Decatur Deb

Probable bullshit, and if true 'David' is a total business fail. If he fired 22 employees he needs, he's doomed. If he had 22 employees he didn't need, he's doomed.

He's at least as good a businessman as Mitt Romney.

/

557 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:16:51am

re: #537 ghazidor

I see what he did there...

So 57 states, as in "Heinz 57," a derogatory term used for both mixed breed dogs and humans, commonly seen on Stormfront and similar venues...

57 states is a reference to verbal miscue by Barack Obama. It's not a Stormfront reference.

558 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:18:02am

re: #549 jamesfirecat

Not nearly enough honestly, last time I could check I could only find one of Hitler reacting to Mitt Romney's loss and it was pretty lackluster...

The very first "Downfall" spoof that I saw was 4 years ago, about Hillary losing the primary to Obama.

The problem that I have with all these "Downfall" spoofs is that I know German, so there's a dissonance when the subtitles are so drastically different from what's actually being said. Turning off the sound just makes it lame.

I got tired of all these videos very soon.

559 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:18:25am

re: #551 wrenchwench

Lopez is delusional.

She doesn't address the fact that people are abandoning what she considers good culture because they don't want it, not because they aren't familiar with it. She doesn't address the racism, homophobia, and sexism inherent in the right wing, which is a big part of 'How what happened happened'.

That's a pre-existing condition with her.

560 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:18:52am

That should be fun. Heh.

561 jamesfirecat  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:19:50am

re: #484 dragonath

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds.

Don't ask us about Mrs. Cake.

562 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:19:57am
563 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:20:02am
564 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:20:50am

re: #559 Gus

That's a pre-existing condition with her.

Yeah, and maybe with DF, too. I still think if he would open his eyes and realize that the National Review is brainwashing him with lies, he could recover. It's no better than Rush Limbaugh, except that you can't hear it.

565 erik_t  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:22:40am

re: #564 wrenchwench

It's no better than Rush Limbaugh, except that you can't hear it.

I claim that makes it a lot better than Rush Limbaugh.

;)

566 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:25:24am
567 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:25:57am

Karl Rove is in the top ten trends.

568 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:26:53am
569 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:27:00am

re: #566 Gus

[Link: whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com...]

Never seen so many sad white people outside of a funeral.

570 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:27:19am
571 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:27:46am

Jared Loughner is in court for sentencing. It's being live-Tweeted here.

572 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:28:13am

re: #557 Dark_Falcon

57 states is a reference to verbal miscue by Barack Obama. It's not a Stormfront reference.

Maybe...you have your interpretation and I have mine, while mine would fit better with the context your entirely correct in pointing out that it does have another explanation.

573 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:28:30am

re: #571 wrenchwench

Jared Loughner is in court for sentencing. It's being live-Tweeted here.

Giffords is there.

574 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:28:32am

re: #569 Targetpractice

Never seen so many sad white people outside of a funeral.

Image: tumblr_md5l8kLnpR1rkd8gso1_500.png

575 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:28:54am

re: #568 NJDhockeyfan

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The winner is, you guessed it:

Frank Stallone.

576 Four More Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:29:15am
577 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:29:39am
578 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:30:08am
579 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:30:19am

re: #563 Lidane

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Huckabee & the RR simply can't comprehend the fact that there are millions of Christians who don't support their agenda bit.ly/RHEixz

Wife's church has provision for the parishoners to submit 'intentions', requests to be mentioned at Mass. Some evil soul requested "Prayer for our President". Deacon dropped his voice a good bit on that one.

580 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:30:52am

re: #566 Gus

[Link: whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com...]

Wow. That's a bunch of depressed people.

re: #577 Gus

Image: tumblr_md590xvIpX1rkd8gso1_500.jpg

Where did Mitt go wrong? Listening to hacks like Dick Morris, for starters.

581 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:31:49am

re: #577 Gus

Image: tumblr_md590xvIpX1rkd8gso1_500.jpg

"Where did Mitt Romney go wrong?"

Well, for starters, trying to play to the Fox News voters.

582 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:32:26am

re: #577 Gus

Image: tumblr_md590xvIpX1rkd8gso1_500.jpg

Looks like alcohol sales will experience the same rise as gun sales.

583 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:32:36am

re: #572 ghazidor

Maybe...you have your interpretation and I have mine, while mine would fit better with the context your entirely correct in pointing out that it does have another explanation.

But 57 states is the reference more people know. I'm no fan of Freepers, but you need to remember that most Freepers know of Stormfront but don't visit the site. They likely don't know of that use of "Heinz 57". For that matter, I hadn't heard it before just now.

You've got to remember that most conservative people aren't acquainted with the overt White Nationalist subculture.

584 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:33:02am

This one makes me laugh:

[Link: whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com...]

When you consider this:

Image: ChrisEvans.jpg

585 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:33:05am

re: #582 wrenchwench

Looks like alcohol sales will experience the same rise as gun sales.

And a rise in prescriptions for anti-depressants.

586 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:33:08am

re: #580 Lidane

re: #581 Targetpractice

Yep. Dick Morris AND Steve Doocy. Two bozos in one shot. And they listen to Doocy every morning. Garbage in, garbage out.

587 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:34:25am
588 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:37:11am

re: #587 NJDhockeyfan

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The gravity of such a planet would likely make it impossible for humans to live there.

589 andres  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:37:13am

Sorry for the late reply.

re: #247 freetoken

Both President Obama and leaders in Congress stated that they would back PR statehood if it was "clear" that Puerto Ricans wanted it.

The construction of the PR ballot suggests to me that those in control were looking for anything but a "clear" signal.

They were looking to dilute the PPD votes (pro-status quo). Once the status quo was out of the equation, statehood wins easily, in great part because of the awfully bad pro-independence and the effective anti-independence campaign.

590 jamesfirecat  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:37:26am

re: #587 NJDhockeyfan

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"Potentially habitable" someone who knows this shit better than me, wouldn't seven times our size means seven times as much gravity, or do they not increase on a one for one scale?

591 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:37:53am

re: #590 jamesfirecat

"Potentially habitable" someone who knows this shit better than me, wouldn't seven times our size means seven times as much gravity, or do they not increase on a one for one scale?

Size != mass.

592 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:38:10am
593 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:38:31am

re: #566 Gus

[Link: whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com...]

so many delicious tears...ahh, victory is sweet.

594 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:38:48am

re: #583 Dark_Falcon

You've got to remember that most conservative people aren't acquainted with the overt White Nationalist subculture.

That's a lapse in responsibility on their part. I'm familiar, yet I don't belong to the party that most of the White Nationalists belong to.

595 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:38:50am

re: #587 NJDhockeyfan

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Astronomers spot a potentially habitable "super-Earth", seven times the size of our planet, 42 light years away bbc.in/TNcpVt

"As captain of the starship Ayn, I name this planet Galt. Drop the shuttles."

596 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:39:12am
597 erik_t  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:40:11am

re: #590 jamesfirecat

"Potentially habitable" someone who knows this shit better than me, wouldn't seven times our size means seven times as much gravity, or do they not increase on a one for one scale?

Surface gravity would go linearly with planetary mass, but with the inverse square of planetary radius. Depending on the density of the planet, it could indeed be habitable even with a 7x mass factor over Earth, although I don't think such a construct is physically plausible from a composition point-of-view.

598 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:40:36am

re: #593 ghazidor

so many delicious tears...ahh, victory is sweet.

All I can say to them is "checkmate, checkmate, checkmate" while I snap my fingers in front of their face. :D

599 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:41:13am

re: #590 jamesfirecat

However, looking at the paper I don't see any real analysis of habitability. I think they're just examining radiation, nothing more sophisticated than that. I think.

600 andres  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:41:24am

re: #181 ProGunLiberal

Here is the process now for Puerto Rico:

Of the non Blank ballots, Statehood won by better that 1.5-1.

Statehood got 330k+ more votes than the next largest vote group, the doofuses who left it blank. Think the chance for the 50 star flag's survival are shaky.

Actually, they weren't that doofus... If they answered the first question Yes, many felt inneccessary to answer the second question.

601 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:41:30am
602 erik_t  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:41:40am

re: #594 wrenchwench

That's a lapse in responsibility on their part. I'm familiar, yet I don't belong to the party that most of the White Nationalists belong to.

I've never heard of it, and frankly I don't feel like it's my responsibility to follow racist pieces of crap to know their most recent bizarre code words. This isn't like calling Michelle Obama 'Chewbacca' or something.

603 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:43:50am

re: #600 andres

Actually, they weren't that doofus... If they answered the first question Yes, many felt inneccessary to answer the second question.

And Congress seems to be arguing that the "leave it blank" crowd is enough to claim the statehood vote "fictional."

604 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:44:42am

re: #594 wrenchwench

That's a lapse in responsibility on their part. I'm familiar, yet I don't belong to the party that most of the White Nationalists belong to.

Most people know that overt White Nationalists are assholes and racists. They don't want to know much about the way such people talk or their slang. In this case, frankly I'm with most people.

605 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:44:42am
606 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:45:02am

re: #602 erik_t

I've never heard of it, and frankly I don't feel like it's my responsibility to follow racist pieces of crap to know their most recent bizarre code words. This isn't like calling Michelle Obama 'Chewbacca' or something.

I don't think you need to be familiar with the origin of the '57 states' meme, but you should be aware of the political activity of white nationalists. It would be an aid in recognizing the vile nature of things like National Review, which publishes some of their more civilized-looking propaganda.

607 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:45:23am

re: #601 NJDhockeyfan

Roseanne Barr finishes fifth in US election

I demand a recount!
/

I'm shocked she ended up in the Top 10.

608 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:45:53am
609 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:46:42am

re: #604 Dark_Falcon

Most people know that overt White Nationalists are assholes and racists. They don't want to know much about the way such people talk or their slang. In this case, frankly I'm with most people.

Watch out for the covert ones. They are more dangerous because they are mainstreaming the same vile philosophies. Like National Review.

610 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:47:47am

re: #605 Gus

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That's really good!

611 Coracle  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:48:24am

re: #587 NJDhockeyfan

That sucker would have a surface gravity of about 7G - and a killer atmosphere. Not habitable by us.

612 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:48:27am

re: #608 Lidane

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Yeah, apparently voter suppression, "self-deportation," and the war on women aren't things that win elections.

Crazy, huh?//

613 andres  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:49:50am

re: #603 Targetpractice

And Congress seems to be arguing that the "leave it blank" crowd is enough to claim the statehood vote "fictional."

And the elected-Government (with the exception of the Resident Commisioner) won't argue too hard for the statehood.

614 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:50:04am

re: #598 Gus

All I can say to them is "checkmate, checkmate, checkmate" while I snap my fingers in front of their face. :D

Damn overreact much?...

Goodbye Kids I shall Never Have Now

615 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:50:59am

Wow...Erickson was right...now that the election is over, self-lubricating catheter commercials are back.

616 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:51:04am

re: #614 ghazidor

Damn overreact much?...

Goodbye Kids I shall Never Have Now

Yeah. We've plummeted into 500 years of darkness because of this. Yep.

617 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:51:08am

re: #614 ghazidor

Damn overreact much?...

Goodbye Kids I shall Never Have Now

Good lord, what fucking drama queens. ODS is worse than BDS.

618 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:52:20am

re: #617 Targetpractice

Good lord, what fucking drama queens. ODS is worse than BDS.

At least the people with BDS for threatening to move places that would fit in with their ideology heh.

619 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:53:16am
620 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:53:26am

Results from my precinct came in at 6:1 for Romney. Many of the neighbors are clinging bitterly to their Romney yard signs.

621 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:53:27am

re: #618 HappyBenghazi

At least the people with BDS for threatening to move places that would fit in with their ideology heh.

BDS: "I'm moving to Canada!"
ODS: "I'm gonna whine even louder!!!"

622 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:54:42am

re: #619 Gus

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...

Mr. Gelertner recognizes that, whatever that socialist America-hater in the White House says about being “more than a collection of red states and blue states,” we really are in the midst of a “slow-motion civil war.” Except unlike crazy liberals who think it’s time to cut the former Confederacy loose, Gelertner says that

The blue states want to secede not from America but from Americanism. They reject the American republic of God-fearing individuals in favor of the European ideal, which has only been government by aristocracy: either an aristocracy of birth or, nowadays, of ruling know-it-alls — of post-religious, globalist intellectuals (a.k.a. PORGIs).

623 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:55:03am

re: #620 Decatur Deb

Results from my precinct came in at 6:1 for Romney. Many of the neighbors are clinging bitterly to their Romney yard signs.

Buy them bumperstickers that read, "The economy is getting better? Don't thank me, I voted for Romney!"

624 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:55:17am

PORGIs!!

Derp.

And he's supposed to be some kind of "conservative intellectual."

L
O
L

625 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:55:22am

re: #621 Targetpractice

BDS: "I'm moving to Canada!"
ODS: "I'm gonna whine even louder!!!"

Well there are ODS people threatening to move to Australia and the UK. I particularly liked hearing about the one young woman saying she was moving to Australia because they have a Christian male president.

626 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:56:16am

Oh no the PORGIs.

627 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:56:26am

Huckabee: Any Time We Lose 'It's Because Christians Just Didn't Show Up and Vote'

Today, Mike Huckabee appeared on the Focus on the Family radio program to share his thoughts on the election results where he provided a glimpse into the Religious Right's worldview when he explained that any time their agenda does not win at the polls, it is because Christians didn't vote:

628 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:57:07am

re: #626 HappyBenghazi

Oh no the PORGIs.

Image: tumblr_lj0c7onVb61qg15bpo1_500.jpg

629 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:57:17am

re: #619 Gus

Reality-based conservatives!

///

630 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:57:27am

re: #619 Gus

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Of course, that the ticket! Preserving the Bible-thumping, God-fearing America can only be done by dumbing its people down! It's so simple (just like the people who thought it up)!

631 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:58:19am

re: #628 Gus

Image: tumblr_lj0c7onVb61qg15bpo1_500.jpg

Must...get...insulin...sugary...cuteness...too much...*collapse*

632 Coracle  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:59:08am

re: #627 Kragar

Huckabee: Any Time We Lose 'It's Because Christians Just Didn't Show Up and Vote'

Most of the Christians I personally know voted the other way. I think Huckabee means the Good Christians didn't show up to do their civic duty, but that wouldn't be "good" of them, would it...

633 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:59:22am

re: #628 Gus

Image: porgy01.png

That's a porgy. All I think of when I read his stupid drivel.

634 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:59:46am

re: #627 Kragar

Huckabee: Any Time We Lose 'It's Because Christians Just Didn't Show Up and Vote'

"Christian." You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

635 erik_t  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:59:52am

re: #626 HappyBenghazi

Oh no the PORGIs.

Oh man, I love pierogi.

636 BongCrodny  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:59:53am

re: #546 Sionainn

Having listened to Kevin Wall's show every day while driving my kid home from school and listening to the sheer ignorance and insanity coming from the callers, I don't believe that caller for a second.

You would think that a guy running a business with 114 employees would have better things to do with his time than call some nitwit talk radio host.

637 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:00:17am

re: #627 Kragar

Huckabee: Any Time We Lose 'It's Because Christians Just Didn't Show Up and Vote'

Well how about you run next time Mike and we'll see how wrong you are. Of course if Huckabee runs and gets nominated and surely loses in a landslide, he'll claim it was because of anti Christian bigotry.

638 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:01:25am

re: #635 erik_t

Oh man, I love pierogi.

You related to Mrs. T? In my household she's more of a hero than Mr. T.

639 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:02:04am

re: #636 BongGhazi

I get the feeling that those Hispanics he just canned actually run the thing.

640 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:02:45am
641 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:03:45am

MLB Free Agent Delmon Young Sentenced to Some Hard Time at the Museum of Tolerance for Using Anti-Semitic Slur

Looks like Major League Baseball player Delmon Young is about to get his mouth washed out with some tolerance.

Young pleaded guilty yesterday to an aggravated harassment charge stemming from an April incident in Manhattan where he shouted an anti-Semitic slur at a group of four men and then tackled one of them to the ground, according to a release from the Manhattan District Attorney's Office.

The altercation occurred outside of the Hilton New York hotel in Midtown during the early morning hours of April 27. Young's shitty behavior has earned him 10 days of community service and enrollment in the restorative justice program at the Museum of Tolerance New York.

And, Yes.The Museum of Tolerance New York is real.

Young will be just the fourth individual to participate in the program since its inception. The museum is working in conjunction with the Manhattan DA's Hate Crimes Unit on the project.

642 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:04:07am

Who wants more gibberish?

GELERNTER: American culture had its throat slit and bled to death at our feet. Isn’t that revolutionary enough? The blood is only metaphorical, but to the 40 percent of [all] infants [who are] born to single mothers this year, the consequences will be real.

In a piddling few decades, the world’s most powerful, influential cultural establishment happened to get demolished and rebuilt from the ground up. What had been basically a Christian, patriotic, family-loving, politically moderate part of society became contemptuous of biblical religion, of patriotism, of the family, of American greatness. The American cultural elite used to resemble (more or less) the rest of America. Today it disdains the rest of America. That’s a revolution.

Example: Look at (just) the arts in 1960 vs. 1990. In 1960, the whole country knew Robert Frost’s poetry; Leonard Bernstein was reaching large TV audiences for classical music with his Young People’s Concerts on CBS; theater and ballet were thriving, reaching larger audiences all the time; Hemingway was only the most famous of America’s serious novelists; and American avant-garde painting was a topic for Life magazine. (And European artists such as Picasso, Matisse, Chagall, and Giacometti were international celebrities.) In 1990, silence. High culture had become a term to laugh at. No blood; no mandates. Just an empty lot covered with weeds where the art used to be.

643 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:04:46am

re: #636 BongGhazi

You would think that a guy running a business with 114 employees would have better things to do with his time than call some nitwit talk radio host.

But he's a job creator, don'tcha know. He's important. Or something.

Never mind that the employees he fired were the ones doing the actual work. He's a big man whose favored candidate just lost.

644 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:05:08am

re: #642 Gus

Who wants more gibberish?

Guy has a lot of rage huh.

645 Obdicut  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:05:36am

re: #642 Gus

In 1960, the whole country knew Robert Frost’s poetry

Ah, mythical America was a great place.

646 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:06:13am

re: #590 jamesfirecat

"Potentially habitable" someone who knows this shit better than me, wouldn't seven times our size means seven times as much gravity, or do they not increase on a one for one scale?

Gravity is only a theory anyway.

647 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:06:26am

re: #644 HappyBenghazi

Guy has a lot of rage huh.

Totally. It's all here:

Dismantling of a Culture
America’s elites now disdain the rest of America.
An NRO Interview

This is not the one mentioned in the Wonkette article.

648 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:06:39am
649 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:07:50am

He's nuts.

GELERNTER: A lot rides on it; too close for comfort. But let’s assume we beat Obama. Certainly he is ripe for beating. We breathe a sigh of relief — and go on turning out pre-programming, left-tilting airheads, class after class. The exact same thing happens if Romney wins. Obama has become a four-alarm fire in this dangerous world and we must beat him. Even so, America herself will win only when we get rid of our dangerously infected schools and universities and get new ones. In the long run, I am all for Harvard and Yale and Princeton coming back strong — but only after losing the best students year after year to Internet colleges — a string of losses that will change their whole worldview. Internet colleges won’t teach right-wing history to make up for today’s ubiquitous left-wing history. They’ll just teach history.

650 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:08:56am

LOPEZ: How are “self-hating WASPS . . . as important a phenomenon as self-hating Jews”?

GELERNTER: In 1945, WASPs ran our powerful colleges and the cultural elite. No one could force them aside. The feds had yet to dig their nails deep into university flesh. Civil-rights laws were weak. The weather reports all said “increasing liberalism”; that was the mood of the times. Nonetheless, socially prominent WASPs looked at these institutions their ancestors had built, funded, and supplied with art and money and books and buildings — and stepped aside.

651 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:09:00am

re: #642 Gus

Sounds like parts of my family; "did you move your money out of the market? There's the end of the country! That Hispanic family living down the road is just the start!"

Then they go plop their ass in front of sitcom TV. /shrug

652 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:09:21am

Eric Holder says he’s not sure he’ll stay on

Holder was speaking at the University of Baltimore Law School, whose dean is Ron Weich, the former assistant attorney general for legislative affairs under Holder.

The Attorney General is said to be on his way out, In the Loop reports. The only question is when; it could be as soon as before next summer or as late as 2014.

653 Ghost of Tom Joad  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:09:37am

re: #646 Eventual Carrion

Gravity is only a theory anyway.

Things go up, things come down. You can't explain that.

654 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:09:45am

re: #642 Gus

Who wants more gibberish?

Also in 1960, television was still in its infancy and was something that families saw as an investment rather than a necessity. It was still treated for the most part as a piece of furniture, with the inherent cost involved, rather than an appliance that could be churned out by the millions.

656 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:10:07am

re: #653 Ghost of Tom Joad

Things go up, things come down. You can't explain that.

That's what she said.
//

657 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:10:17am
658 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:11:13am

They're going to hate it when Rufus comes in with his phone booth time machine and sends them to 1955 with unions being at their peak.

659 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:11:38am

re: #658 HappyBenghazi

They're going to hate it when Rufus comes in with his phone booth time machine and sends them to 1955 with unions being at their peak.

Be excellent to each other.

660 blueraven  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:11:48am

In the who really cares, but slightly interesting column

The two worst rated pollsters for the 2012 election (yet most cited) are the only two that continue daily tracking for presidential approval

Today...
Gallup:
Approve - 49
Disapprove - 44

Rasmussen:
Approve - 52
Disapprove - 47

661 BongCrodny  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:11:51am

re: #620 Decatur Deb

Results from my precinct came in at 6:1 for Romney. Many of the neighbors are clinging bitterly to their Romney yard signs.

"Mitt Romney, Ruler of Alabama." -- General Zod

662 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:12:17am
663 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:13:35am

More of that GOP outreach and understanding:

664 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:13:48am

re: #660 blueraven

In the who really cares, but slightly interesting column

The two worst rated pollsters for the 2012 election (yet most cited) are the only two that continue daily tracking for presidential approval

Today...
Gallup:
Approve - 49
Disapprove - 44

Rasmussen:
Approve - 52
Disapprove - 47

Both have become laughingstocks. Don't know who, think it might have been Silver, who wondered aloud after this election, why anybody would put any weight in the polls those two churn out.

665 blueraven  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:14:28am

re: #655 Kragar

Jon Stewart Delights In Fox News’ Epic Election Night Meltdown

The show was epic ending with the Nate Silver interview.

666 Coracle  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:14:31am

New plan. Start a conservative superpac for 2014. Raise $50 million. Spend $40 million on "issue" ads in "strategic" markets. Blame the conservative base for not coming out in sufficient numbers in the aftermath, and repeat for 2016. Then retire.

667 erik_t  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:14:52am

re: #663 Lidane

More of that GOP outreach and understanding:

Bill O'Reilly: Unlike Hispanic voters, black voters will always pick the "colored-based candidate" mm4a.org/T9E2Gf

Obviously this is why black voters were not stalwart Democrats until the advent of Barack Obama's campaign.

/

668 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:15:22am

re: #663 Lidane

More of that GOP outreach and understanding:

[Embedded content]

And then he'll accuse them of bigotry as soon as it gets pointed out to him that black voters no doubt largely supported Allan West's opponent who has an even more Irish sounding name than Bill. But hey keep up the race baiting Bill, it just makes you sound terrific. And this asshole has claimed to be in the past an admirer of RFK. Yeah fucking right.

669 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:15:33am

re: #622 Gus

...

Commies, Elitists, and PORGIs oh my...

670 GunstarGreen  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:18:24am

re: #622 Gus

...

Jesus H. Christ. I mean, I'm used to politotrash 'books' committing some pretty egregious abuses of the English language to try to be pithy for their target audience (complete morons), but this is an entirely new level. This isn't abusing the language, this is dragging it into a dark alley and violently assaulting it.

Porgis, is he fucking serious?

671 jamesfirecat  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:20:22am

re: #666 Coracle

New plan. Start a conservative superpac for 2014. Raise $50 million. Spend $40 million on "issue" ads in "strategic" markets. Blame the conservative base for not coming out in sufficient numbers in the aftermath, and repeat for 2016. Then retire.

Pocket $10 million that's left over and fly to Rio... WE CAN DO IT LEO!

672 makeitstop  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:25:16am

re: #640 Kragar

Beck: Election Shows that Half of Americans are 'Utterly and Completely Lost in Darkness'

This is why conservatism will continue to fail. The Broad Brush.

Beck is so far inside the bubble, he's the one who's truly lost. And he doesn't realize it and never will.

673 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:26:34am

re: #640 Kragar

Boom!

674 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:26:39am

re: #642 Gus

Who wants more gibberish?

Non-sequitur there...

"Because of the liberal elites High Culture is gone, kaput."

Which of course clearly explains why we Republicans want to help eliminate the last remnants by getting rid of PBS...

675 Coracle  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:28:57am

re: #671 jamesfirecat

Hey, this is a conservative PAC. You can't use math like that.

676 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 10:36:45am

re: #673 lawhawk

Boom!

I wish there was a way to make them show that on Fox news...

677 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 11:06:48am

re: #508 Four More Tears

It is a a platform plank. It's a wait and see on this. Will the blank votes be counted?

I don't think they should. If they didn't offer an opinion, they didn't have one, according to the ballot.

678 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:05:58am

re: #626 HappyBenghazi

Oh no the PORGIs.

A cross between a poodle and a corgi?

Title character of an opera by Gershwyn?


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