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Karl Rove on Obama’s Dastardly Voter Suppression Scheme

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After all the GOP attempts to hamper voting by the elderly and minorities in this election, Karl Rove tells the Fox News audience that Mitt Romney lost because the Obama campaign “suppressed the vote.”

Technically, Mr. Rove is correct. Obama did suppress the vote for Romney, by convincing people to vote for him instead of Romney.

An absolutely diabolical plot. There oughtta be a law.

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143 comments

1 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:19:16pm

Gary Bauer: GOP Could Have Won if it Emphasized Opposition to Marriage Equality, Abortion Rights

Karl Rove’s American Crossroads and Crossroads GPS spent hundreds of millions of dollars to defeat Obama and swing the U.S. Senate to the Republicans. After failing at both of these goals, Gary Bauer in an interview with Janet Mefferd chided Rove for not using his Crossroads juggernaut to focus on social issues. According to Bauer, if only Republicans like Rove emphasized the GOP’s opposition to abortion rights and gay equality, then maybe Republicans might’ve won after all!

2 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:19:35pm

Somehow, I don't think the guys whose money he lost are gonna accept excuses like this.

3 bratwurst  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:20:05pm

I am grateful to Karl Rove. Not only did he separate a lot of rich assholes from their money with virtually nothing to show for it, he provided the only drama on election night!

4 erik_t  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:20:51pm

re: #1 Kragar

Gary Bauer: GOP Could Have Won if it Emphasized Opposition to Marriage Equality, Abortion Rights

I know! I mean, they totally would have picked up Maryland, Washington, Minnesota and Maine that way.

Derp.

5 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:21:01pm

re: #1 Kragar

Gary Bauer: GOP Could Have Won if it Emphasized Opposition to Marriage Equality, Abortion Rights

Because marriage equality didn't just win in every state where it was on the ballot. But hey, opposing it is a winning issue, don'tcha know.

These people are living in an alternate universe.

7 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:22:17pm
8 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:23:17pm

re: #5 Lidane

Because marriage equality didn't just win in every state where it was on the ballot. But hey, opposing it is a winning issue, don'tcha know.

These people are living in an alternate universe.

Well, if they had a real Christian conservative as a candidate, the Christian vote wouldn't have stayed home, because that totally has to be the only reason they lost.
/

9 Coracle  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:23:32pm

I hope Bauer becomes a leading strategist for the '14 midterms.

10 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:23:35pm
11 Mich-again  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:27:29pm

Who is laughing the loudest? All the TV stations that collectively soaked up a billion or so in advertising revenue because this race was so close the right ad campaign would be enough to tip the scales. See you suckers in 4 years.

12 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:27:34pm

After Obama’s Re-Election, Religious Right Demands Repentance and Resistance

Dejected, downcast and angry, conservatives have begun attacking the media and other Christians for not signing on to the anti-Obama campaign, maintaining that Obama’s re-election proves that America is experiencing moral breakdown. Family Research Council head Tony Perkins told talk show host Janet Mefferd that the election results reveal “symptoms of a deeper moral and spiritual problem that we’re facing in our nation,” and beseeched Christians not to just “go on the mountaintop and just wait for the Rapture.”

Wrong answer guys. You failed the blood god and you must now castigate yourselves. I sentence you to exile in the hinterlands to live lives of reflection and flagellation for your many failings.

13 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:28:48pm

To call dampening enthusiasm for the other candidate voter "suppression" after the actual voter suppression campaign the Republican party has engaged in nation wide is positively Orwellian.

14 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:29:51pm

Translation:
It's not my fault.
Look over there, the president is black...

15 Big Joe Ghazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:29:55pm

re: #13 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

To call dampening enthusiasm for the other candidate voter "suppression" after the actual voter suppression campaign the Republican party has engaged in nation wide is positively Orwellian Rovian.

FTFY

16 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:33:02pm

re: #13 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

To call dampening enthusiasm for the other candidate voter "suppression" after the actual voter suppression campaign the Republican party has engaged in nation wide is positively Orwellian.

Or, if you will, Rovian.

(eta: I cannot math today. I haz the dumb.)

17 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:33:52pm

OT Watch her reaction at first. Kind of weird.

Pat Robertson takes on "Fifty Shades of Grey"

18 Ian G.  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:34:14pm

So Rove is complaining that Obama....campaigned? Do I have that right?

Next time, he's going to bitch that his favorite baseball team lost because the other team unfairly had a chance to bat.

19 lawhawk  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:35:33pm

re: #14 OhNoZombies!

20 Ian G.  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:35:41pm

re: #10 Gus

I'm sure Jennifer Rubin will have a column out explaining how they're all self-hating Jews and how "real" Jews will put the GOP candidate over the top in 2016. Zzzzzzzzzz.....

21 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:36:27pm

'Wolverines' with 'OTP' (One Time President) from a couple of years back. In case you are wondering, this is not a send-up - this is your actual Tea Party youth division.

You'll laugh, you'll throw up a little in your mouth, but you'll mostly laugh.

22 Mich-again  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:37:08pm

re: #17 Gus

OT Watch her reaction at first. Kind of weird.

Pat Robertson takes on "Fifty Shades of Grey"

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No offense to Pat Robertson, but I'd rather hear the Church Lady's reaction.

23 RadicalModerate  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:38:42pm

Barack Obama received roughly 8.5 million fewer votes than he did in 2008.
Mitt Romney received roughly 2 million fewer votes than John McCain in 2008.


That has to be the weirdest example of "voter suppression" ever.

24 nines09  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:39:44pm

re: #21 Ayeless in Ghazi

'Wolverines' with 'OTP' (One Time President) from a couple of years back. In case you are wondering, this is not a send-up - this is your actual Tea Party youth division.

You'll laugh, you'll throw up a little in your mouth, but you'll mostly laugh.

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Voted most likely to be found in running car in closed garage band?

25 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:39:47pm

re: #20 Ian G.

I'm sure Jennifer Rubin will have a column out explaining how they're all self-hating Jews and how "real" Jews will put the GOP candidate over the top in 2016. Zzzzzzzzzz.....

Clearly the Democrats are suppressing the Jewish vote!!

//

26 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:39:52pm

re: #17 Gus

OT Watch her reaction at first. Kind of weird.

Pat Robertson takes on "Fifty Shades of Grey"

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Taking on Fifty Shades of Grey means reading that nonsense. Thanks, but no. If I wanted to read Twilight fan fiction, there are plenty of websites for that already.

27 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:40:44pm

re: #22 Mich-again

No offense to Pat Robertson, but I'd rather hear the Church Lady's reaction.

I think Pat Robertson's version of porn is talking about porn.

28 Funky_Gibbon  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:40:56pm

It's almost enough to make you feel pity watching Rove's sweaty rambling excuses. Are the people he got all his money from now threatening his kneecaps or something?

29 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:41:43pm
30 RadicalModerate  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:42:00pm

re: #10 Gus

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Was there a single demographic of non-white males who didn't favor Obama?

I haven't found one yet, and this includes Cuban-Americans who historically have voted Republican, like, since, forever.

31 erik_t  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:42:10pm

OT: SHOCKED, SHOCKED I SAY

Charges: N. [Minneapolis] metro pastor fondled 2 men while counseling them about their sexuality

A north metro pastor who participated in a ministry devoted to helping people put their homosexuality behind them has been charged with sexually assaulting two men he was counseling.

Lakeside Christian Church's senior pastor, Ryan J. Muelhauser, 55, of Cambridge, appeared in court Tuesday on eight felony counts of fourth-degree criminal sexual conduct and remains free ahead of another hearing next month.

Muelhauser also was a counselor through Robbinsdale-based Outpost Ministries, whose website says it was founded more than 30 years ago to help men and women "break away from gay life" and declares that "all homosexual behavior is sin."

...

One of the men told investigators that Muehlhauser "blessed" him by cupping his genitals outside of his clothing several times and that Muehlhauser asked the man to masturbate in front of him for "spiritual strength." Muelhauser would also fondle the man at times. Their encounters occurred over a period of nearly two years.

32 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:42:13pm

Wilson: God will Curse America for Re-Electing Obama

Yesterday, Buster Wilson of the American Family Association said that God will punish and curse America for re-electing Obama over his supposed mistreatment of Israel. He also lamented that health care reform will not be repealed and that if Obama has the opportunity to appoint new justices to the Supreme Court then Roe v. Wade will not be overturned any time soon. Later, he added that “homosexuality and the demand for protected and equal rights will now succeed and sweep the nation” as schools will teach children “as young as kindergartners that homosexuality is an accepted lifestyle.”

Apparently the curse takes the form of a bunch of self righteous assholes screaming doom and wasting our time.

33 Mich-again  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:43:07pm

re: #29 Lidane

[new article] As Nation and Parties Change, Republicans Are at an Electoral College Disadvantage nyti.ms/WHpmDP

I'm melting...meltinggggg...

34 nines09  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:44:09pm

His Beck approved White Board is there for those who need numbers held up to understand that he's saying nothing.

35 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:44:28pm

re: #32 Kragar

Wilson: God will Curse America for Re-Electing Obama

Apparently the curse takes the form of a bunch of self righteous assholes screaming doom and wasting our time.

The Onion nailed it:

God Distances Self From Christian Right

36 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:44:29pm

re: #32 Kragar

Wilson: God will Curse America for Re-Electing Obama

Apparently the curse takes the form of a bunch of self righteous assholes screaming doom and wasting our time.

Shit, I've been cursed with that for years.

37 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:45:22pm
38 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:45:39pm

re: #21 Ayeless in Ghazi

'Wolverines' with 'OTP' (One Time President) from a couple of years back. In case you are wondering, this is not a send-up - this is your actual Tea Party youth division.

You'll laugh, you'll throw up a little in your mouth, but you'll mostly laugh.

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LOL!
Yep.

39 Mich-again  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:45:41pm

re: #32 Kragar

Wilson: God will Curse America for Re-Electing Obama

Apparently the curse takes the form of a bunch of self righteous assholes screaming doom and wasting our time.

Hating for Jesus! Just like the Gospels say.. /

40 Mattand  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:46:10pm

re: #34 nines09

His Beck approved White Board is there for those who need numbers held up to understand that he's saying nothing.

That was really sad to watch.

Also, I love his definition of 'suppressing the vote': Obama convinced the electorate he was the better candidate.

It's like the SF Giants cheated in the World Series by scoring more runs.

41 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:46:19pm

re: #37 darthstar

Funny...the dog pic wasn't on this tweet when I looked at it on twitter.

42 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:46:35pm

re: #37 darthstar

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Bibi may have some problems at home too. His predecessor was pretty critical of his decision to pretty much endorse Romney.

43 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:46:43pm

re: #40 Mattand

That was really sad to watch.

Also, I love his definition of 'suppressing the vote': Obama convinced the electorate he was the better candidate.

It's like the SF Giants cheated in World Series by scoring more runs.

Nah...we just suppressed the Tigers' hitting.

44 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:47:09pm

David Axelrod: GOP Has Some ‘Soul Searching’ To Do

Step 1) Find out where they put the damn thing.

45 Mich-again  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:48:12pm

re: #37 darthstar

You Get Nothing!

46 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:48:16pm
47 nines09  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:48:42pm

re: #40 Mattand

I'm just waiting for the Big Meltdowns and to see who gets throw under the bus and the fallout and name calling and finger pointing and libel and slander and I can't wait.

48 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:49:36pm

re: #47 nines09

I'm just waiting for the Big Meltdowns and to see who gets throw under the bus and the fallout and name calling and finger pointing and libel and slander and I can't wait.

After the reactions on the right, I'm waiting for the tell-all books, especially about the failures of conservative media.

49 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:49:59pm

re: #44 Kragar

David Axelrod: GOP Has Some ‘Soul Searching’ To Do

Step 1) Find out where they put the damn thing.

It's probably one of those sorcerer things where they've cut it out and hidden it in a sealed urn buried away in some ruined and forgotten temple in the middle of a desert in the wastes of western Asia. With some mean and esoteric guardian watching over it.

50 researchok  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:50:00pm

Karl Rove just found out Karl Rove doesn't walk on water.

He's having a hard time adjusting.

51 erik_t  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:50:08pm

re: #47 nines09

I'm just waiting for the Big Meltdowns and to see who gets throw under the bus and the fallout and name calling and finger pointing and libel and slander and I can't wait.

Have they already gotten bored with blaming Christie? I haven't heard much bitching about him today.

53 erik_t  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:50:29pm

re: #49 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

It's probably one of those sorcerer things where they've cut it out and hidden it in a sealed urn buried away in some ruined and forgotten temple in the middle of a desert in the wastes of western Asia. With some mean and esoteric guardian watching over it.

Wasn't this the last book of Harry Potter, or something?

54 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:50:57pm

Ten fix-it projects for the GOP
By Jennifer Rubin

Project 11: Stop listening to Jennifer Rubin.

55 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:51:34pm

re: #53 erik_t

Wasn't this the last book of Harry Potter, or something?

A lot older of a meme than that. I know that Fritz Leiber dabbled with it at least once.

57 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:52:07pm

re: #56 researchok

The $70 Million Dollar Heaidline

Sheldon has a sad.

58 nines09  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:52:08pm

re: #48 Lidane

It should be fascinating to watch them eat their own. Couldn't happen to a nicer pack of vipers.

59 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:52:29pm
60 Mattand  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:52:38pm

re: #47 nines09

I'm just waiting for the Big Meltdowns and to see who gets throw under the bus and the fallout and name calling and finger pointing and libel and slander and I can't wait.

Ya know, I'm repeating myself, but I'm skeptical about any Republican civil war.

Everyone had a toe tag on the GOP in '08. The economy tanked and we saw what happened there.

I think there'll be all of the finger pointing you mentioned, but early indications are they haven't learned fuck all. If the economy doesn't pick up, expect to see the whack jobs back in bigger numbers.

61 researchok  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:53:14pm

re: #57 Gus

The good news is some therapist will make a killing.

And that is good news on the long term jobs front

62 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:53:38pm
63 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:54:48pm

Already the threatening letters to employees have been seen. Can't wait for their next move.

64 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:55:12pm

re: #63 Amory Blaine

Already the threatening letters to employees have been seen. Can't wait for their next move.

And this is why FDR created the NLRB.

65 sauceruney  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:56:00pm

Right. Democrats fought to keep the polls open early and longer so less Republicans could vote (in comparison)

66 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:56:00pm
67 Ian G.  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:56:34pm

OT, but my Facebook feed features far fewer wingnuts than many of you lizards, and even many of the Romney supporters "liked" my praise for MD, ME, and WA for legalizing gay marriage.

But one guy just went on a rant about socialism, out-of-control spending, moochers, etc. upon hearing that Romney conceded Florida. Do I have to mention that he's on disability due to a degenerative back condition?

Yup, the GOP base right there. Fortunately, he has another 4 years of a President who won't dismantle the welfare state that he (through no fault of his own) depends on.

68 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:56:54pm

Correlation between wealth and belief in evolution...see if you can find the outlier.

Image: wealth-and-evolution-634x415.jpg

69 Mich-again  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:56:57pm

re: #47 nines09

I'm just waiting for the Big Meltdowns and to see who gets throw under the bus and the fallout and name calling and finger pointing and libel and slander and I can't wait.

If Mitt were a real leader, he would have already come right out and publicly claimed all responsibility for the failure of his campaign and put an end to all the finger pointing and blame game.

70 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:57:24pm

re: #59 Lidane

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Seriously? They bought into the "unskewed" BS and that's why they thought they were winning?

What kinda moron gets high on his own supply?!

71 Destro  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:57:25pm

Why do I think Karl Rove thought the same voter suppression model he used against Kerry for Bush was what was going to happen in Ohio? Rove's befuddlement live on TV about Ohio being called for Obama made me think Rove was telling FOX not so fast because he thought it would play out like what happened to Kerry? Kerry lost the presidency by fewer than 140,000 votes in Ohio. The way Obama figured out he could defeat these GOP efforts was mass mobilization through an organized ground game.

72 Gus  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:58:08pm

re: #68 darthstar

Correlation between wealth and belief in evolution...see if you can find the outlier.

Image: wealth-and-evolution-634x415.jpg

Didn't really have to look.

73 Amory Blaine  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:58:42pm

re: #70 Targetpractice

Tony Montana. That's who.

74 William of Orange  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:58:45pm

Romney sings his concession speech!

Catchy tune!!

75 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:58:48pm

re: #66 Lidane

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Plus 1 for the Ellison reference. After reading the Invisible Man prologue my final semester and re-reading Richard Wright's Black Boy, I really wish those two guys and others could have lived to see Obama elected president.

76 nines09  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 1:59:30pm

re: #60 Mattand

2010 was an aberration and a glimpse of stupidity from an electorate that had it's nose against the glass and wanted it now. Unrealistic is putting it mildly. That seems to be turning. Either the GOP goes whole hog insane or they do a house cleaning and let the loons and fundies and bigots and nutsacks create their own party. Call it .....The Tea Party. But they are too greedy to do that. I see the GOP hitting the ground at full speed unless Obama and the Dems fuck up royally.

77 erik_t  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:00:51pm

re: #68 darthstar

Correlation between wealth and belief in evolution...see if you can find the outlier.

Image: wealth-and-evolution-634x415.jpg

Pretty terrible plot. Overfit massively to Turkey.

78 Kragar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:01:04pm

re: #76 nines09

2010 was about "JOBS! JOBS! JOBS!" and we all saw what the GOP did once they got into office. Talking about the economy is nothing more than a distraction for them to implement their social agenda.

79 Coracle  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:01:12pm

re: #67 Ian G.

OT, but my Facebook feed features far fewer wingnuts than many of you lizards, and even many of the Romney supporters "liked" my praise for MD, ME, and WA for legalizing gay marriage.

But one guy just went on a rant about socialism, out-of-control spending, moochers, etc. upon hearing that Romney conceded Florida. Do I have to mention that he's on disability due to a degenerative back condition?

Yes. Tell him. Reality will get through to some of them, and it can only benefit all of us if it does.

80 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:02:05pm
81 Mich-again  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:02:40pm

re: #76 nines09

Either the GOP goes whole hog insane or they do a house cleaning and let the loons and fundies and bigots and nutsacks create their own party. Call it .....The Tea Party.

If the GOP exorcised the loons and fundies and bigots and nutsacks, they could hold their next convention in a phone booth. OK that's mean. I meant a high school auditorium.

82 erik_t  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:03:17pm

re: #80 darthstar

@BuzzFeedAndrew
Chris Christie told Obama "congratulations" on a phone call. He sent Romney an email. go.bloomberg.com/political-capi…

This is brilliant, actually. Once Romney becomes persona non grata in the GOP, you don't want anything tying yourself to that dead weight. We all know Romney shreds all documents and deletes all emails after the end of a political phase, so Christie is home free.

83 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:03:20pm

re: #69 Mich-again

If Mitt were a real leader, he would have already come right out and publicly claimed all responsibility for the failure of his campaign and put an end to all the finger pointing and blame game.

CEOs are never wrong. They are just betrayed from below.
/

84 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:04:07pm

Seriously, from all appearances, the GOP and its big money supporters spent $1 billion on a campaign that was totally out of sync with reality, believing in poll trutherism and unable to take criticism before rushing back to Fox News to get a reassuring pat on the head.

Yegods, what a clusterfuck.

85 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:04:42pm

re: #80 darthstar

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I'd never vote for him but Christie appears to have something that I thought was lacking in Romney and pretty much all the primary candidates but Huntsman.

86 nines09  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:05:38pm

re: #78 Kragar

All you had to do was listen to the GOP. They told you what they were going to do when they got in. They created nothing. Spent money on bullshit committees and attempts at blocking laws and just jerked off for 2 years. What has to happen now is Obama does what he did to Mitt. Just play back what they speak. Hold them accountable. Force the issues and demand that they act and act now for the nation. Beat them senseless as they are running around trying to figure out what the fuck just happened to their Crazy Train.

87 Coracle  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:05:55pm

re: #85 HappyBenghazi

I'd never vote for him but Christie appears to have something that I thought was lacking in Romney and pretty much all the primary candidates but Huntsman.

A chance at the '16 Republican nomination?

*rimshot*

88 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:06:17pm

re: #57 Gus

Sheldon has a sad.

That's because Sheldon just found out that a fat, sweaty troll cut a hole in his pocket.

89 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:07:04pm

re: #87 Coracle

A chance at the '16 Republican nomination?

*rimshot*

Ha! Nah I think Christie actually has some class.

90 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:07:45pm

Apparently Boehner got a call last night from Grover, because today, he had to emphasize the GOP position that nobody was fooled by:

Boehner: Tax Hikes ‘Unacceptable’ But New Revenue On The Table

House Speaker John Boehner said tax hikes are an "unacceptable" solution to avoiding the so-called "fiscal cliff," but new revenues are on the table.

"I would do that if the president was serious about solving our spending problem and trying to secure our entitlement programs," Boehner told ABC News. "If you're increasing taxes on small-business people, it's the wrong approach."

91 Big Joe Ghazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:08:44pm

Margaret and Helen: Like a zoo, Fox News isn’t so scary once you realize the animals can’t get out of their cages.

Just like when I go to a regular zoo, I didn’t know the names of all the animals at Fox, but I quickly learned the ones with opposable thumbs and the ability to reason were token Democrats who had, at some point, worked in the Clinton administration. The ones who liked to rattle their cages and screech at the visitors were the angry Republican hacks who seemed to be, for the first time, discovering the wonders of math.

I was surprised to see so many animals that I thought were long ago extinct. There was angry, old Lou Dobbs plodding around mumbling something about voter fraud and immigrants and Mike Huckabee being all folksy and jolly. And there was Oliver North, Liz Cheney, Haley Barbour and even Geraldo Rivera who now just goes by Geraldo like Madonna, Cher and Cavuto.

Over in a corner in a cage all by himself was the red-assed Karl Rove. Now that one scares me. When they called Ohio for Obama I heard he started flinging pooh and screaming about recounts and faulty polls.

92 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:08:59pm

re: #84 Targetpractice

Seriously, from all appearances, the GOP and its big money supporters spent $1 billion on a campaign that was totally out of sync with reality, believing in poll trutherism and unable to take criticism before rushing back to Fox News to get a reassuring pat on the head.

Yegods, what a clusterfuck.

And a bunch of those dipshits are convinced that their problem was either:

1. White people not showing up to vote
2. Not enough emphasis on anti-abortion or anti-gay positions
3. Dumb minority voters swayed by an "Obama phone" bribe
4. Skewed polls

And so on. They simply refuse to accept that people looked at what they were selling and decided not to buy into it, or that the electorate is shifting away from them demographically.

93 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:11:08pm

I want to see Karl Rove's tax returns next year. You know he paid himself a salary based on a percentage of the money he collected.

94 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:11:38pm

re: #92 Lidane

And a bunch of those dipshits are convinced that their problem was either:

1. White people not showing up to vote
2. Not enough emphasis on anti-abortion or anti-gay positions
3. Dumb minority voters swayed by an "Obama phone" bribe
4. Skewed polls

And so on. They simply refuse to accept that people looked at what they were selling and decided not to buy into it, or that the electorate is shifting away from them demographically.

They're doing what everybody who wasn't engaged in wishful thinking said they were gonna do: Make excuses for why conservatism was failed by Willard and start thinking up ways about how a "true conservative" could win next time around. So far, the argument seems to be "Get more white people to the polls and somehow fool the minorities into thinking we give a shit about them."

95 jamesfirecat  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:12:27pm

Whatever our greatest weakness/sin is, we'll accuse the other guy of having it, classic Karl...

96 BongCrodny  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:12:46pm

I know a lot of guys who are going to have to burn their "January 20, 2013 - End of an Error" t-shirts.

97 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:13:03pm

So "REPEAL OBAMACARE" was an empty campaign slogan after all...that's refreshing.

98 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:13:12pm

I do love how they think they weren't socially conservative enough. The strategy that worked for them in 2004 has backfired for them in 2012. And it helps that more and more Democratic candidates are saying loudly and clearly that they're for marriage equality and explaining why. This is a losing battle for them just like fighting segregation was for the racists in the 60's. I really want to have a day where I have children or grandchildren and they're asking me "No, no seriously dad(or grandpa) people actually cared about that." And then I'll laugh and tell them I remember what I was doing when we got OBL. We're becoming on social issues a more center-left nation and to quote the Rolling Stones in It's Only Rock and Roll, "And I like it."

99 Cheechako  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:13:59pm

re: #90 Targetpractice

Apparently Boehner got a call last night from Grover, because today, he had to emphasize the GOP position that nobody was fooled by:

Boehner: Tax Hikes ‘Unacceptable’ But New Revenue On The Table

Isn't increasing taxes a source of new revenue?

100 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:14:09pm

re: #97 darthstar

So "REPEAL OBAMACARE" was an empty campaign slogan after all...that's refreshing.

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He'd probably have a different tune if Romney had won.

101 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:14:57pm

re: #100 HappyBenghazi

He'd probably have a different tune if Romney had won.

Nah...killing healthcare reform would be political suicide regardless of who was president.

102 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:15:02pm

re: #99 Cheechako

Isn't increasing taxes a source of new revenue?

The GOP refuses to entertain any new revenue that doesn't come from "trickle down," namely their belief that cutting taxes leads magically to increased economic growth and higher tax revenues, despite 30+ years of evidence to the contrary.

103 Batman  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:15:05pm

What I think happened: Bush. Bush's two wins convinced Republicans that the sure way to win is to rile up the religious right. Now they will be convinced that didn't work because Romney isn't a real christian. That's obviously wrong, since they were plenty riled up by the simple fact that Obama was the other candidate -- that's all it took. Face it, this election was about moderates voting against the far right.

104 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:15:26pm
We expect Obama to follow a similar trajectory as Bush. Obama will push for mass amnesty for illegal aliens early in 2013 and by doing so his approval ratings will drop to historic lows just like Bush did when his approval dropped to around 20% making him the most unpopular President in modern American history.

Christ are these people delusional. Yes, the sole reason Bush had historically bad approval ratings was "amnesty". There wasn't anything else going on that might have contributed.

It's like they want Latinos not to vote for them.

105 erik_t  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:15:42pm

re: #93 darthstar

I want to see Karl Rove's tax returns next year. You know he paid himself a salary based on a percentage of the money he collected.

I want to never hear the name 'Karl Rove' again.

YMMV.

106 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:16:08pm

re: #104 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Christ are these people delusional. Yes, the sole reason Bush had historically bad approval ratings was "amnesty". There wasn't anything else going on that might have contributed.

It's like they want Latinos not to vote for them.

Pay no attention to those two wars behind the curtain!

//

107 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:16:38pm

re: #99 Cheechako

Isn't increasing taxes a source of new revenue?

108 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:16:52pm

re: #101 darthstar

Nah...killing healthcare reform would be political suicide regardless of who was president.

Yeah you do have a point. ACA isn't super popular but its not super unpopular either. It's like three times as popular as Congress for example.

109 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:16:57pm

re: #92 Lidane

And a bunch of those dipshits are convinced that their problem was either:

1. White people not showing up to vote
2. Not enough emphasis on anti-abortion or anti-gay positions
3. Dumb minority voters swayed by an "Obama phone" bribe
4. Skewed polls

And so on. They simply refuse to accept that people looked at what they were selling and decided not to buy into it, or that the electorate is shifting away from them demographically.

Reminds me of a retailing seminar I went to. The guy was talking about store owners who would resist marking down old stock that didn't sell. He said, "Your customers have told you that your baby is ugly. They aren't going to change their minds. Get over it and get it out of there."

110 Mattand  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:18:59pm

re: #105 erik_t

I want to never hear the name 'Karl Rove' again.

YMMV.

I dunno. Hearing the phrase, "Karl Rove sued by donors over 2012 election" or "Karl Rove fired from job at McDonald's" would be nice.

111 darthstar  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:19:07pm

re: #108 HappyBenghazi

Yeah you do have a point. ACA isn't super popular but its not super unpopular either. It's like three times as popular as Congress for example.

As soon as the GOP stops criticizing the ACA it will become far more popular than it currently is. It does, after all, benefit Republicans as well as Democrats.

112 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:19:48pm

re: #107 Lidane

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Seriously, that's like saying you'll accept that the sun will rise in the East tomorrow.

113 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:20:35pm
114 HappyWarrior  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:21:44pm

re: #113 Lidane

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Nah Boehner that title belongs to the owner of the Eritrean restaurant I go to in Adams-Morgan. It has hookah and beer and good food for a reasonable price. Seriously, awesome place.

115 Four More Beers  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:22:05pm

re: #113 Lidane

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Oh for fuck's sake. Did Boehner cry when he said that?

116 Targetpractice  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:22:11pm

re: #113 Lidane

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Yeah, that's great, now what does Grand Vizir Cantor say?

117 RadicalModerate  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:23:32pm

re: #80 darthstar

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Prediction time:

In the face of how Republicans at the national level have treated the response to the Sandy superstorm, and the more-recent noreaster, not to mention the level of venom from the right that has been leveled toward the governor recently, I forsee a change from Christie (R-NJ) to Christie (I-NJ).

Republicans bellowed for him to actively campaign in the wake of the storm, subsequently going as far as calling him a traitor for not doing so, while at the same time all he heard from the Obama team was "how can we help you and your people?"
Things like this tend to leave a lasting impression.

118 Ian G.  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:25:51pm

re: #106 Targetpractice

Pay no attention to those two wars behind the curtain!

//

Or the imploded economy of 2008....

119 Ian G.  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:27:23pm

re: #113 Lidane

Is this Orange John trying to avoid being deposed and marched to the wall by Cantor? What other purpose does this quote serve?

120 Ming  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:27:41pm

Karl Rove was a close adviser to George W. Bush during all the years when Bush was President. One would hope that after all that time in the White House, Rove would be more careful to not put party before country.

Unfortunately, we do have two elections in modern times that were, and are, very questionable, and worthy of serious discussion: 1960 (the Democrat took office) and 2000 (the Republican took office). But setting those two exceptions aside, there is no good reason on earth to point fingers and sow divisiveness over an election. The people have spoken. Be grateful that you live in a country where each person has a vote, and stop trying to divide it.

121 kirkspencer  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:29:09pm

re: #92 Lidane

And a bunch of those dipshits are convinced that their problem was either:

1. White people not showing up to vote
2. Not enough emphasis on anti-abortion or anti-gay positions
3. Dumb minority voters swayed by an "Obama phone" bribe
4. Skewed polls

And so on. They simply refuse to accept that people looked at what they were selling and decided not to buy into it, or that the electorate is shifting away from them demographically.

Actually, first run of the exit polls indicate there is validity to point one: white people not showing up. More accurately, poor (incomes under 50K) white people.

There are two possibilities, each bringing their own forms of schadenfreude.

First there is the possibility that a lot of them got caught in the whole Voter ID mess. Yeah, ponder how it works by hitting lower income the hardest.

Second there is the possibility that they were "pox on both houses" voters. Solid Republican voters who were so peeved with their candidate they stayed home instead of voting for the other guy (be it race or party they resisted).

Regardless they turned out in lower numbers than they did in 2008.

122 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:29:39pm

re: #98 HappyBenghazi

I do love how they think they weren't socially conservative enough. The strategy that worked for them in 2004 has backfired for them in 2012. And it helps that more and more Democratic candidates are saying loudly and clearly that they're for marriage equality and explaining why. This is a losing battle for them just like fighting segregation was for the racists in the 60's. I really want to have a day where I have children or grandchildren and they're asking me "No, no seriously dad(or grandpa) people actually cared about that." And then I'll laugh and tell them I remember what I was doing when we got OBL. We're becoming on social issues a more center-left nation and to quote the Rolling Stones in It's Only Rock and Roll, "And I like it."

I had a lot of conversations with folks who lived through the Civil Rights Era, and they felt and eerie sense of deja vu during this election season.
Even for those of us who were born after 1968, there was a distinct feeling of urgency.
Moreover, black men recognized the tactics used to smear the president, and could relate. It happens to them more than many would like to admit.

My attitude was pride, after seeing the turnout on the day I voted.
Just try and keep us from voting, we knew what they were up to, and we wanted to make sure those bastards had very little room to cheat.

This time, it was personal.

123 jamesfirecat  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:29:52pm

re: #93 darthstar

I want to see Karl Rove's tax returns next year. You know he paid himself a salary based on a percentage of the money he collected.

I am now convinced that Mitt Romney running for President was actually a scam based on the Producers.

Find the Worst Candidate Imaginable.

Collect Money from people who will pay to see anyone but Obama elected.

Buy horrible adds and keep savings for yourself.

Have plane booked for Rio on November 7th.

Come on Leo we can do it!

124 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:30:09pm

hey. sorry for the neglect. just checking in.

125 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:31:35pm

re: #113 Lidane

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Bullshit, Boehner of Orange...you have been far from reasonable or responsible the past couple of years.

126 Ben G. Hazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:32:59pm

re: #124 Wozza Matter?

hey. sorry for the neglect. just checking in.

Whoa, LTNS...

127 Lidane  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:35:29pm
128 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:39:18pm

re: #121 kirkspencer

Actually, first run of the exit polls indicate there is validity to point one: white people not showing up. More accurately, poor (incomes under 50K) white people.

There are two possibilities, each bringing their own forms of schadenfreude.

First there is the possibility that a lot of them got caught in the whole Voter ID mess. Yeah, ponder how it works by hitting lower income the hardest.

Second there is the possibility that they were "pox on both houses" voters. Solid Republican voters who were so peeved with their candidate they stayed home instead of voting for the other guy (be it race or party they resisted).

Regardless they turned out in lower numbers than they did in 2008.

My money is on the second option. I have heard lots of that. Read a lot of that. What I have not seen is numbers of people who were thwarted from voting. No ID? Still got provisional right? Most places anyway?

129 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:40:06pm

re: #124 Wozza Matter?

Hey what's up these days?

130 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:45:01pm

hey peeps. things progress, have been hollding down a full timE job for 6months, no nights available to come here and shoot the breeze for hours on end

131 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 2:45:22pm

re: #1 Kragar

Gary Bauer: GOP Could Have Won if it Emphasized Opposition to Marriage Equality, Abortion Rights

Yes, because an auto worker in Ohio who felt the auto bailout saved his job was going to turn on the man who pushed it through to vote for someone who promised to "Beat Back the Pink Tide of Gayness!!1". It's such a stupid assertion that words fail me.

132 Decatur Deb  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 3:05:04pm

It's starting, and of course it would start in Baja Alabama:


Controversial Political Display Removed After Investigation

[Link: www.wtvy.com...]

133 sagehen  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 3:18:05pm

I posted this TNC quote a few threads down, but I'm repeating just because it makes me happy:

In Ohio, the 2008 electorate was 11% black. This week, it was 15%.

We talked yesterday about the kind of substantive reform the GOP could make in order to diversify. Here is a good one: Stop trying to inhibit participation. Stop it. You will not make us lazy. You will only make us angry:

Barack Obama knew who he was talking to when he called voting the best revenge. We don't need no high-faluting reasons to stand in those long lines. We'll stand there just for the privilege of putting that stutter in Karl Rove's speech, and that panicked look on his face.

134 allegro  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 3:33:50pm

re: #122 OhNoZombies!

I had a lot of conversations with folks who lived through the Civil Rights Era, and they felt and eerie sense of deja vu during this election season.
Even for those of us who were born after 1968, there was a distinct feeling of urgency.
Moreover, black men recognized the tactics used to smear the president, and could relate. It happens to them more than many would like to admit.

My attitude was pride, after seeing the turnout on the day I voted.
Just try and keep us from voting, we knew what they were up to, and we wanted to make sure those bastards had very little room to cheat.

This time, it was personal.

I agree, this time it was personal. I have voted in every election since Nixon/McGovern in 1972 and felt that all of them were important. Yet, none felt as personal as this one. In this election the GOP not only threatened my most cherished beliefs of equal rights and equal opportunity for everyone but attacked me personally and very directly as a thinking, independent woman. That pissed me off.

Do not fuck with the Uterati.

135 jerrysrollin.blogspot.com  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 4:46:04pm

The polt thickens. Mr. Obama has to clean up the mess he made in America ,unemployment, housing,debt, gas prices, Iran, Obama care . Obama care will put the economy and hiring [on hold]. lol.
I can't wait to see the dance.

136 wrenchwench  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 4:48:14pm

re: #135 jerrysTrollin.blogspot.com

The polt thickens. Mr. Obama has to clean up the mess he made in America ,unemployment, housing,debt, gas prices, Iran, Obama care . Obama care will put the economy and hiring [on hold]. lol.
I can't wait to see the dance.

Nothing like a thick polt in one's first comment.

Welcome, hatchling.

137 b_Snark  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 4:52:13pm

re: #135 jerrysrollin.blogspot.com

The polt thickens. Mr. Obama has to clean up the mess he made in America ,unemployment, housing,debt, gas prices, Iran, Obama care . Obama care will put the economy and hiring [on hold]. lol.
I can't wait to see the dance.

You be stupid.

138 Bubblehead II  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 4:54:22pm

re: #135 jerrysrollin.blogspot.com

The polt thickens. Mr. Obama has to clean up the mess he made in America ,unemployment, housing,debt, gas prices, Iran, Obama care . Obama care will put the economy and hiring [on hold]. lol.
I can't wait to see the dance.

The stupid. He be strong in the stupid.

139 nines09  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 4:57:20pm

re: #135 jerrysrollin.blogspot.com

The polt thickens. Mr. Obama has to clean up the mess he made in America ,unemployment, housing,debt, gas prices, Iran, Obama care . Obama care will put the economy and hiring [on hold]. lol.
I can't wait to see the dance.

What?

140 Ayeless in Ghazi  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 4:58:14pm

re: #138 Only The Lurker Knows

The stupid. He be strong in the stupid.

Obamer, done messed up. hiz edjumacashun 2!

141 Tigger2  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 5:16:23pm

re: #135 jerrysrollin.blogspot.com

The polt thickens. Mr. Obama has to clean up the mess he made in America ,unemployment, housing,debt, gas prices, Iran, Obama care . Obama care will put the economy and hiring [on hold]. lol.
I can't wait to see the dance.

I would bet you wont be here long.

142 Kronocide  Thu, Nov 8, 2012 5:34:32pm

re: #135 jerrysrollin.blogspot.com

Oh daddy, can we keep him? He's sorta smelly and snappy but sorta cute for an ugly little feller.

143 tajsagay01  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 9:08:56pm

i just hate Karl Rove to my bones.... maybe its just the way he looks like a sneaker fraudstar or maybe because his name is karl. yes i still remember WW2.


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