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Breaking: CIA Director David Petraeus Resigns, Citing Affair

“Poor judgment”
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A bit of surprising news today: David Petraeus Resigns From CIA.

3:02PM EST November 9. 2012 - NBC reported Friday that CIA director David Petraeus has resigned from the CIA, citing an extramarital affair.

NBC’s Andrea Mitchell said the resignation was submitted in a letter dated Friday and was accepted by the White House.

In a letter, Petraeus noted that he had been married for 37 years and had exercised “extremely poor judgment’ in conducting an extramarital affair.

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246 comments

1 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:09:51pm

Shortly, we should begin to see the first suggestions from the wingnut blogs that this is to "keep him quiet" about Benghazi.

2 DREd  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:10:02pm

Benghazi!

3 Mich-again  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:10:04pm

Was she a smoking hot Russian spy?

4 aagcobb  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:10:23pm

I guess there won't be any Petraeus '16 speculation now.

5 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:10:51pm

And the wingnuts who question the timing appear....

6 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:11:46pm

I just blew my nose and something popped out of my eye, WTF IS THAT SHIT?

7 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:12:34pm

re: #6 Kragar

I just blew my nose and something popped out of my eye, WTF IS THAT SHIT?

Did it have tentacles?

8 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:13:06pm

Totally expect there to be CT's on this.

9 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:13:58pm

re: #6 Kragar

I just blew my nose and something popped out of my eye, WTF IS THAT SHIT?

I think Prometheus tells us how that works out...

10 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:14:08pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

Shortly, we should begin to see the first suggestions from the wingnut blogs that this is to "keep him quiet" about Benghazi.

And sure enough, the Drudge headline?

TOP SPOOK OUT: PETRAEUS RESIGNS OVER 'AFFAIR'

11 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:14:45pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

And sure enough, the Drudge headline?

TOP SPOOK OUT: PETRAEUS RESIGNS OVER 'AFFAIR'

And it begins. Thanks Matty. You're about as predictable as a sunrise.

12 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:15:01pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

And sure enough, the Drudge headline?

TOP SPOOK OUT: PETRAEUS RESIGNS OVER 'AFFAIR'

Love how he put affair in quotes. Subtle.

13 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:15:07pm

Apart from the inevitable wingnut conspiracy theories, a CIA director having an illicit affair is really not good.

14 erik_t  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:15:22pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

And sure enough, the Drudge headline?

TOP SPOOK OUT: PETRAEUS RESIGNS OVER 'AFFAIR'

L' AFFAIRE DE BENGHAZI!!!1

15 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:15:49pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Apart from the inevitable wingnut conspiracy theories, a CIA director having an illicit affair is really not good.

MOOSE AND SQUIRREL

16 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:16:16pm

Another layoff due to Obama being re-elected:

Helms referred to Obama on her Facebook account as “the n*gger,” adding: “maybe he will get assassinated this term..!!”

“The employee is no longer w/the company,” a Twitter account for Cold Stone Creamery explained on Thursday. “We were as shocked as you were by her outrageous & completely unacceptable comments.”

17 Interesting Times  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:16:24pm

The idea that someone who's otherwise qualified and doing a good job needs to resign due to marital infidelity alone is absurd. Unless national security was jeopardized in some way* (e.g. his mistress really was a "smoking hot Russian spy"), why can't this just be left as a private issue between him and his wife?

*Edited to add: or other ethical breaches of some kind, e.g. his mistress was a subordinate, prostitute, etc.

18 kirkspencer  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:16:56pm

in response to the previous thread re: #122 HappyWarrior

How long has he been retired from the Army? I know you have to be retired a certain amount of years. I can't see him running though. He resigned because of an extramarital affair and I think he described his political views in the past as "Rockefeller Republican."

No, that's for secretary of defense.

19 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:17:20pm

re: #3 Mich-again

Was she a smoking hot Russian spy?

Was gonna ask if that was a "No Way Out" reference, until I remembered that the character having the affair was the Defense Secretary.

(Bonus trivia: the CIA director in that film was played by Fred Thompson)

20 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:17:50pm

re: #17 Interesting Times

Normally I'd agree, but I'd argue that it's a different situation for the head of the CIA to put himself in a position where he could potentially be blackmailed. Has major national security implications.

21 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:18:03pm

re: #9 Four More Tears

I think Prometheus tells us how that works out...

It was like the pressure decided popping out from my eye was the path of least resistance, its like it came out of my tear duct or something.

22 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:18:20pm

re: #17 Interesting Times

The idea that someone who's otherwise qualified and doing a good job needs to resign due to marital infidelity alone is absurd. Unless national security was jeopardized in some way (e.g. his mistress really was a "smoking hot Russian spy"), why can't this just be left as a private issue between him and his wife?

You can't discard the threat of blackmail.

23 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:18:21pm

What's the difference between an illicit and a licit affair?

About 50 bucks.

24 erik_t  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:18:37pm

re: #3 Mich-again

Was she a smoking hot Russian spy?

It sorrrrrrrrrta depends on your type.

25 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:18:43pm

re: #18 kirkspencer

in response to the previous thread

No, that's for secretary of defense.

Oh it's only for SoD. Thanks. I wondered about that because I remember some people talking about how they wanted Wesley Clark to be Obama's SoD in 2008 but I remember it being pointed out that he couldn't do that. Makes sense though since George Marshall went to SoS first under Truman.

26 RadicalModerate  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:19:08pm

re: #23 b_snark

What's the difference between an illicit and a licit affair?

About 50 bucks.

Yeah, tell that to those Secret Service agents.

27 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:19:11pm

re: #17 Interesting Times

The idea that someone who's otherwise qualified and doing a good job needs to resign due to marital infidelity alone is absurd. Unless national security was jeopardized in some way (e.g. his mistress really was a "smoking hot Russian spy"), why can't this just be left as a private issue between him and his wife?

It could be considered as a source for possible blackmail and would compromise his position.

28 darthstar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:19:18pm

Oh, David...David, David, David...you of all people should know you can't keep anything secret.

29 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:19:19pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Normally I'd agree, but I'd argue that it's a different situation for the head of CIA to put himself in a position where he could potentially be blackmailed. Has major national security implications.

This was given as a rule for not employing (closeted) homosexuals in sensitive positions: it could be used to blackmail them. Likewise for recreational drug users.

Wife-beating alcolholics okay, caring, gentle potheads, OUT!!!

30 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:19:44pm

re: #24 erik_t

It sorrrrrrrrrta depends on your type.

I love how that's Lucielle Bluth from Arrested Development.

31 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:19:44pm

re: #13 Charles Johnson

Apart from the inevitable wingnut conspiracy theories, a CIA director having an illicit affair is really not good.

I'm more disturbed that he got caught. How are we supposed to run our clandestine FEMA re-education camps and black helicopter squads when the head of the CIA can't keep a simple affair covert?

32 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:20:13pm

re: #15 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

MOOSE AND SQUIRREL

Boris and Natasha!

33 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:20:47pm

Lord, the wingnuts are going...well...nuts. The running theme seems to be a belief that this is what the administration was holding of Patraeus' head to keep him from "spilling the beans" on Benghazi, while at the same time that they kept this quiet until after the election.

And, predictably, they think now he'll start naming names and pointing fingers as "revenge."

34 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:20:51pm

I just always feel uncomfortable with news like this. It's just none of my business.

35 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:21:21pm

re: #32 Dancing along the light of day

Boris and Natasha!

три пути? странный (I don't know how accurate google translate is)

36 jvic  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:21:23pm

Affair? Meh.

Honey trap? Not meh.

37 blueraven  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:21:25pm

re: #1 Targetpractice

Shortly, we should begin to see the first suggestions from the wingnut blogs that this is to "keep him quiet" about Benghazi.

Right on cue Fox news questions the "timing"
Chris Wallace is asked about this and throws cold water all over the Fox pundits.

38 DisturbedEma  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:22:00pm

Oh my, this is unexpected news. . .just so stupid to do something like this, pillow talk and the possibility of hush money requests. . .

39 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:22:55pm

It's just amazing to watch the entire right wing turn into the equivalent of 9/11 truthers over an attack that killed 1/1000th the number of people and happened in an unstable country on the other side of the planet, not NYC and DC.

Christ, these people need admission to a psychiatric hospital.

40 DisturbedEma  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:23:22pm

re: #34 Obdicut

I agree, felt the same way about all of the breaking news stories of the past. . .felt most sorry for Weiner's wife though. . .

41 blueraven  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:24:38pm

re: #20 Charles Johnson

Normally I'd agree, but I'd argue that it's a different situation for the head of the CIA to put himself in a position where he could potentially be blackmailed. Has major national security implications.

Exactly. This is one of the main concerns for CIA operatives, and to have the head of the organization fail at this, is huge.

42 aagcobb  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:25:25pm

re: #17 Interesting Times

The idea that someone who's otherwise qualified and doing a good job needs to resign due to marital infidelity alone is absurd. Unless national security was jeopardized in some way* (e.g. his mistress really was a "smoking hot Russian spy"), why can't this just be left as a private issue between him and his wife?

*Edited to add: or other ethical breaches of some kind, e.g. his mistress was a subordinate, prostitute, etc.

Don't want the top spook to be vulnerable to blackmail.

43 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:25:59pm

Maybe it's all for the best. If he couldn't even keep an affair secret, clearly he wasn't very good at clandestine operations.

44 DisturbedEma  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:26:03pm

re: #37 blueraven

It's a plot I tells ya. . .//

45 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:26:03pm

re: #41 blueraven

Exactly. This is one of the main concerns for CIA operatives, and to have the head of the organization fail at this, is huge.

Yeah. It's none of my business but obviously your private life gets curtailed when you're in a powerful public job. Still sucks it has to get dragged out into the public eye for the media to jack off all over though.

46 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:26:05pm

Not good news. No matter how you cut it, this is bad for the CIA and bad for the national security community. When top ranking officials have affairs, it opens up the possibility that said person could be compromised in some fashion (blackmail/honeypot) etc.

It could lead to lives lost or valuable intel falling into the wrong hands or decisions made that wouldn't ordinarily be made.

That it happened to one of the genuinely good military leaders who understood modern warfare makes the loss that much greater. It may well compromise the reforms that are sorely needed in the national security establishment.

But someone will take his place (and be vetted by the Senate during confirmation hearings).

From a personal perspective, it show he was like everyone else who ever had an affair. He had his failings and he and his family will have to deal with it. It will suck for them.

48 DisturbedEma  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:26:36pm

re: #46 lawhawk

what is a honey pot?

49 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:29:28pm

re: #48 DisturbedEma

A trap used by spies to lure someone to reveal info through sex.

See eg Anna Chapman

50 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:29:42pm

re: #48 DisturbedEma

what is a honey pot?

It's a trap where you have a sexy lady sleep with someone to gain their confidence and then learn things that she shouldn't.

It's called a honey pot because it's based around how if you lay out a pot full of honey bees will come buzzing around to eat the stuff, but then get stuck in it and drown.

(I think I'm in the right ballpark with that)

51 blueraven  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:29:47pm

re: #45 Obdicut

Yeah. It's none of my business but obviously your private life gets curtailed when you're in a powerful public job. Still sucks it has to get dragged out into the public eye for the media to jack off all over though.

It is a very sad day in my opinion. He will be pilloried by those who used to praise him. He is human, he made a mistake that you cant make as head of the CIA.

Others, in denial, will make excuses and say he is taking a fall for Obama.

I feel bad for him. He has been a heroic figure to many.

52 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:30:03pm

re: #49 lawhawk

A trap used by spies to lure someone to reveal info through sex.

See eg Anna Chapman

Image: chapman.jpg
This could be a shot from a Bond movie.

53 kirkspencer  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:30:05pm

Rumor says the woman was a aide for Elizabeth Warren while she was getting CFPB up and running.

54 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:30:24pm

re: #48 DisturbedEma

what is a honey pot?

A trap set with bait to entice the target, either an attractive man or a woman who seeks to get information, or in computer security, a system which appears important and vulnerable, but which is used by network security to ID hackers and their methods.

55 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:31:34pm


I thought it was us liberals that were all about revenge?

56 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:31:40pm

re: #50 jamesfirecat

It's a trap where you have a sexy lady sleep with someone to gain their confidence and then learn things that she shouldn't.

It's called a honey pot because it's based around how if you lay out a pot full of honey bees will come buzzing around to eat the stuff, but then get stuck in it and drown.

(I think I'm in the right ballpark with that)

Well, it doesn't have to be a sexy woman....

57 Mich-again  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:31:46pm

re: #46 lawhawk

But someone will take his place (and be vetted by the Senate during confirmation hearings).

here we go....

58 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:32:55pm

re: #55 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

I thought it was us liberals that were all about revenge?

This is self-defense revenge. It's totally different.

59 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:33:19pm

re: #53 kirkspencer

Interesting rumor. If true, that would be quite a bombshell that could have affected both the Presidential race and the MA Senate had it come out before the election.

60 darthstar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:33:46pm
61 Four More Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:33:54pm

re: #55 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

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I thought it was us liberals that were all about revenge?

This is legitimate revenge.

62 darthstar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:34:36pm

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Image: chapman.jpg
This could be a shot from a Bond movie.

Send her over...I'll answer anything.

63 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:34:50pm

re: #61 Four More Tears

This is legitimate revenge.

Fortunately, the body politic has a way to shut that down.

64 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:35:50pm

re: #6 Kragar

I just blew my nose and something popped out of my eye, WTF IS THAT SHIT?

Leprosy is a hell of a disease.

65 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:35:51pm

re: #61 Four More Tears

This is legitimate revenge.

Well, the GOP is already matching the social policy of hill-dwelling Pakistani tribes...why not adopt their retaliation practices?

67 kirkspencer  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:36:32pm

re: #48 DisturbedEma

what is a honey pot?

See Winnie the Pooh, the tale where he gets his head stuck in the hunny pot.

68 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:36:53pm

re: #55 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

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I thought it was us liberals that were all about revenge?

Hahaha what a loser.

69 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:37:32pm

re: #62 darthstar

Send her over...I'll answer anything.

Right after she stops at my place.

70 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:37:34pm

re: #67 kirkspencer

See Winnie the Pooh, the tale where he gets his head stuck in the hunny pot.

I'll never look at Kanga the same way again.

71 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:38:01pm

re: #66 Four More Tears

This is so awesome.

SUPREME COURT JUSTICE SONIA SOTOMAYOR VISITS SESAME STREET TO EXPLAIN “CAREER,” OUR HEARTS EXPLODE

Sonia Sotomayor is great even if she is a Yankees fan.

72 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:38:02pm

re: #55 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

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I thought it was us liberals that were all about revenge?

I always thought brain death was fatal.

73 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:38:32pm

As predicted, the Freepers are going insane, wading neck-deep in the fetid swamp of conspiracy theories.

74 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:39:12pm

re: #73 Dr Lizardo

As predicted, the Freepers are going insane, wading neck-deep in the fetid swamp of conspiracy theories.

Well, it is a day ending in "y".

75 erik_t  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:39:15pm

re: #72 b_snark

I always thought brain death was fatal.

Apropos

76 nines09  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:39:33pm

re: #73 Dr Lizardo

As predicted, the Freepers are going insane, wading neck-deep in the fetid swamp of conspiracy theories.

Poo throwing time at the Monkey House.

77 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:40:21pm

re: #55 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

My God, Boortz is a major-league a**hole.

78 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:40:33pm

re: #76 nines09

Poo throwing time at the Monkey House.

Ugliest feedback loop I've ever seen.

79 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:40:37pm

re: #15 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

MOOSE AND SQUIRREL

Claim they're from Minnesota. But the moose was obviously a plant from Canada and the squirrel always wore a strange hat.
/

80 nines09  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:41:38pm

re: #78 b_snark

Ugliest feedback loop I've ever seen.

Some web sites are like falling down a sewer. Just being there makes your skin crawl.

81 GunstarGreen  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:42:17pm

re: #55 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

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I thought it was us liberals that were all about revenge?

Boortz doesn't care what it is as long as it harms "Lib'ruls".

He's a typical right-wing radio schill. He identifies himself as a Libertarian but always throws himself in the sack with the Republican ticket. He complains about Republican social policies but has absolutely no problem supporting them anyway. As one of those special Americans that makes an absurd amount of money doing preposterously little work (flapping his gums for three hours a day), he values money more than he values personal freedom.

He was more respectable before Royal Marshal died. Without Royal to tell him when he's being a jackass, he went off the rails into wingnutistan very quickly. Belinda doesn't have the spine to stand up to him.

82 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:42:26pm

re: #80 nines09

Some web sites are like falling down a sewer. Just being there makes your skin crawl.

I just about said 'no shit' then I realized my mistake.

83 sagehen  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:42:26pm

re: #60 darthstar

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in addition to + and - buttons, we need a groan button....

84 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:42:34pm

re: #80 nines09

Some web sites are like falling down a sewer. Just being there makes your skin crawl.

Two girls, one vaginal probe.

85 nines09  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:43:36pm

re: #84 jamesfirecat

Two girls, one vaginal probe.

Hundreds of handles and 3 brain cells.

86 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:44:02pm

re: #83 sagehen

in addition to + and - buttons, we need a groan button....

We need sound effects to go with our pics and vids.

87 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:44:29pm

re: #63 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Fortunately, the body politic has a way to shut that down.

Jack-booted union thugs! Why do you hate America?

/Freeper

88 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:45:54pm
89 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:46:41pm

DEEEEERP.

90 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:46:50pm

Well, lets see what Fox Nation has to say...

ridgewolf
Why not come out BEFORE the election General.???

gmgp491
@ridgewolf I think we all know the answer to that.

recyclecongress
I thought an affair was part of everyday life in DC....he may have had one, but some woman was put up to it by Obama and his ilk....it's all about Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi!!!


gfunkkkkk
I'm guessing Patraues knew that at some point the affair was going to come out. He decided to be a man and step up to the plate and admit to it. He's just being a man and admitting to his mistakes. Trying to twist this around to being on Obama makes you all look silly.

susandavis
@gfunkkkkk
Not Obama...unless it IS Obama.
It's Benghazi, and the 4 Americans that didn't get to vote.

91 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:48:00pm

re: #76 nines09

Poo throwing time at the Monkey House.

True enough, but when is it not poo-throwing time over at FR? I've been indulging in oceans of wingnut tears reading their insane rantings since Election Day, and they're certainly working themselves up into quite a frenzy.

If there's another Tim McVeigh out there, 10 to 1 he'll be a Freeper.

92 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:48:09pm

A shame to resign over something so minor...unless he compromised national security of course.

93 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:48:30pm

re: #89 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

*headdesk*

These people will learn absolutely nothing in the next four years. Then they'll wonder why the GOP keeps shrinking as a national party.

94 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:48:55pm

I'm sitting here watching the first blizzard of the year hit, while my car sits in the driveway waiting until Thursday to get fixed. My wife is at work suffering through bronchitis and I promised to go pick her up.

Time to pull the old Cherokee out of mothballs. In this storm, nobody will see the cloud of smoke pouring out of its tailpipe anyway.

95 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:49:44pm

re: #92 Eclectic Infidel

A shame to resign over something so minor...unless he compromised national security of course.

Any affair that he has which isn't public knowledge by default can end up compromising national security if the wrong people found out about it since the could use it blackmail him.

96 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:49:54pm

There's a strange icy cold wind blowing through Los Angeles today.

97 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:50:22pm

We have rain.

Yay!!

98 Jolo5309  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:50:26pm

re: #94 b_snark

I'm sitting here watching the first blizzard of the year hit, while my car sits in the driveway waiting until Thursday to get fixed. My wife is at work suffering through bronchitis and I promised to go pick her up.

Time to pull the old Cherokee out of mothballs. In this storm, nobody will see the cloud of smoke pouring out of its tailpipe anyway.

No storm here yet. I am supposed to head down to Regina for a birthday party tomorrow, we will see if the weather holds, or if my cold does.

99 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:50:30pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

There's a strange icy cold wind blowing through Los Angeles today.

Because Republican suck?

100 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:50:41pm

It's not for nothing that some of the same people who were cheering Petraeus' ascendancy through the national security chain of command (US Army, JCS, CIA) are now looking at this news as some form of conspiracy with which to bash the President.

They'll question the timing. They'll question the motives. They'll question everything (but their own sanity). They'll spin conspiracies. They'll draft conspiracies about conspiracies. Occam's Razor will be cast aside.

Sometimes, people make bad choices - and they (and us) have to live with the consequences.

101 nines09  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:50:55pm

re: #91 Dr Lizardo

I just went and looked and it's always as it's been. I probably been there 5 times. I usually let more bold people dumpster dive and I read it here. Same as it ever was.

102 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:51:37pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

There's a strange icy cold wind blowing through Los Angeles today.

That's the result of the porno express shutting down due to that condom law?

103 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:51:54pm

re: #98 Jolo5309

No storm here yet. I am supposed to head down to Regina for a birthday party tomorrow, we will see if the weather holds, or if my cold does.

Be careful on #11, it tends to get really icy in the valley.

104 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:52:50pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

re: #97 wrenchwench

Rain is over here, but the wind & clouds are magnificent!

105 kirkspencer  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:53:04pm

re: #88 Lidane

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sigh. Dear Laura, let's examine this a moment, shall we? I'll use the conspiracist point of view, forsaking reality for a moment.

You have someone covering for you. He's going before the investigating committee next week. Do you:
a) reward him?
b) threaten him?
c) kick him out of job and power?

oh, wait. You're a Republican pundit, a group that shoots themselves in the foot on a regular basis. Let me give you a hint: C is bad.

106 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:53:07pm

re: #35 HappyWarrior

три пути? странный (I don't know how accurate google translate is)

what are you trying to say? three-way?

107 Jolo5309  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:53:23pm

re: #103 b_snark

Be careful on #11, it tends to get really icy in the valley.

Oh I know, although my accident was by White City.

108 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:53:32pm

re: #101 nines09

I just went and looked and it's always as it's been. I probably been there 5 times. I usually let more bold people dumpster dive and I read it here. Same as it ever was.

Last time I was there I got zotted. I think I told Jimbo he was a prick. I haven't bothered even looking since.

109 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:54:06pm

re: #105 kirkspencer

sigh. Dear Laura, let's examine this a moment, shall we? I'll use the conspiracist point of view, forsaking reality for a moment.

You have someone covering for you. He's going before the investigating committee next week. Do you:
a) reward him?
b) threaten him?
c) kick him out of job and power?

oh, wait. You're a Republican pundit, a group that shoots themselves in the foot on a regular basis. Let me give you a hint: C is bad.

Shhh. That sort of logic doesn't fit the narrative!
/

110 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:54:20pm

re: #101 nines09

Oh how their unhinged lunacy and howls of impotent rage have provided me with endless hours of mirth. This election cycle certainly knocked them for a loop; they were so convinced, so utterly certain, they were going to win. And then their delusions came crashing down all around them. The reactions are priceless. Insane, to be sure, but highly amusing.

111 aagcobb  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:54:28pm

re: #77 Dr Lizardo

My God, Boortz is a major-league a**hole.

Pretty much the entire rightwing is indulging in revenge fantasies and thrashing about in rage. Its every bit as ugly as I had expected.

112 jaunte  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:54:37pm

re: #89 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

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113 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:54:38pm

I just found out earlier that Obama did 6 points better than the last election in Alaska. I guess Palin isn't having such a good effect up there anymore.

114 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:55:03pm

re: #107 Jolo5309

Oh I know, although my accident was by White City.

Really? That area sure gets its share of accidents.

115 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:55:27pm

re: #88 Lidane

re: #89 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Gah. I can't take it any more.

116 nines09  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:55:27pm

re: #108 b_snark

Last time I was there I got zotted. I think I told Jimbo he was a prick. I haven't bothered even looking since.

That's about my spin on it. Seen one pile of shit, you've seen them all. Only difference is the stink and the size.

117 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:55:35pm
118 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:56:22pm

Petraeus stepping down from the CIA wouldn't prevent him from appearing before Congress. They could still call him in based on his knowledge of events during his tenure as director.

119 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:56:28pm

re: #107 Jolo5309

Oh I know, although my accident was by White City.

When's the last time you were by that area?

It's grown significantly in the past couple of years.

120 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:57:01pm

re: #118 Kragar

Petraeus stepping down from the CIA wouldn't prevent him from appearing before Congress. They could still call him in based on his knowledge of events during his tenure as director.

Exactly.

121 nines09  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:57:03pm

re: #110 Dr Lizardo

I can get that from some people I know.

122 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:57:12pm

"I question the timing"

This stupid fallacy drives me into a rage. It should be an ad hoc IQ test, anyone who uses it is stupid. There is no public event EVER that does not occur close to the time of some other public event. In and of itself, proximity in timing does not even suggest a causal relationship. People who "question the timing" (ooga-booga!), and use this to imply conspiracy and foul play, should be the first ones into FEMA camp.

123 jaunte  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:57:13pm

re: #88 Lidane

Looks like Gen. Petraeus just flipped off Obama. We're with you, General.

How does Boortz get that out of the event?

124 aagcobb  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:57:13pm

re: #91 Dr Lizardo

True enough, but when is it not poo-throwing time over at FR? I've been indulging in oceans of wingnut tears reading their insane rantings since Election Day, and they're certainly working themselves up into quite a frenzy.

If there's another Tim McVeigh out there, 10 to 1 he'll be a Freeper.

Maybe a lurker, but I bet the ones we have to worry about almost never post. The blowhards are just keyboard warriors.

125 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:57:29pm

Oh man. I'm seeing a lot of freakouts over California's 'unprecedented' increase in taxes.

Huh.

The wealthiest 1% of Californians -- those with annual incomes of $533,000 or more -- will shoulder nearly 79% of the tax increase, according to the California Budget Project, a research group that endorsed the proposition. They will see their taxes rise by 1.1% of their income, while the bottom four-fifths of the state's residents will see an increase of between 0.1% and 0.2% of their incomes.

Oh.

126 Jolo5309  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:57:34pm

re: #114 b_snark

Really? That area sure gets its share of accidents.

Rear ended driving down the highway by a drunk driver just passed the crest of the railroad overpass, right near Brandt Industries.

127 BenghaziHoops  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:58:18pm

re: #17 Interesting Times

The idea that someone who's otherwise qualified and doing a good job needs to resign due to marital infidelity alone is absurd. Unless national security was jeopardized in some way* (e.g. his mistress really was a "smoking hot Russian spy"), why can't this just be left as a private issue between him and his wife?

*Edited to add: or other ethical breaches of some kind, e.g. his mistress was a subordinate, prostitute, etc.

Well no..:) When I got my Top Secret clearance conducted by the FBI there are several things you will be talked to about. First be honest. Almost anything will be proven true or false. If you have deep dark secrets you can be compromised or blackmailed so be up front with the past.
I had a classmate that got busted for pot in high school and told them about it and was cleared for TS. Don't worry, when you are a Nuke they drug test you constantly..It's like being some Vampires' bitch on call 24/7.

128 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:58:20pm

re: #123 jaunte

How does Boortz get that out of the event?

Boortz is an idiot. If Petraeus wanted to "flip the bird" to Obama he would have kept his mouth shut and just resigned.

129 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:58:41pm

And... they're off!

130 Jolo5309  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:58:55pm

re: #119 b_snark

When's the last time you were by that area?

It's grown significantly in the past couple of years.

I want to say September, but it could have been August or even July.

My wife's family is from Indian Head, so we travel that way a lot.

131 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:59:12pm

So I had this incredibly hot Russian girlfriend in Moscow, Natasha.

A graduate in chemistry from the Mendeleyev Institute (an elite school on par with MIT or Stanford), alcoholic, nymphomaniac, chain-smoker, brooding intellectual, fiercly patriotic, green-eyed man-killer, right out of a James Bond movie.

Tells me that she also worked as an English translator for the 1980 Olympics in Moscow, which broght her into contact with the KGB, who recruited her as an "intelligence agent", i.e., to obtain information from foreigners using all means at her disposal.

Tells me they dressed her up in a black evening dress and jewellry (which she had to sign for) and set her on a group of "international drug runners" an an Intourist hotel.

But, she says, she was young and insecure and could not go through with it, handed in the dress and jewels and retired from service.

All I can say is that it's a good thing she did, because the Cold War might have ended differently: she would have gotten stealth tehnology, missile sites and any other secrets out of anyone she set herself to..."Go ahead...copy the files, help yourself to the microfilm is the second drawer...just let me sleep for ten minutes...please!"

132 JamesWI  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:59:42pm

re: #105 kirkspencer

sigh. Dear Laura, let's examine this a moment, shall we? I'll use the conspiracist point of view, forsaking reality for a moment.

You have someone covering for you. He's going before the investigating committee next week. Do you:
a) reward him?
b) threaten him?
c) kick him out of job and power?

oh, wait. You're a Republican pundit, a group that shoots themselves in the foot on a regular basis. Let me give you a hint: C is bad.

133 jaunte  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 12:59:54pm

Laura Ingraham was on Fox the other night recommending that conservativesdouble down the next time around.

134 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:00:19pm

Where is the motive for a forced resignation? If they wanted to keep Petraeus quiet, this is not how they would do it. Resignation gives him more, much more, freedom to talk, not less.
If you're the kind of crook who might cover up some kind of misconduct, you would know not to fire, mistreat, or otherwise piss off someone who can blackmail you.

135 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:00:38pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

You push someone out AFTER bad news is given at a hearing - not before - when that person has the opportunity to use the hearing as a bully pulpit to slam his detractors/sackers. Why give the person ammo to do so?

You wait until after those public appearances to sack someone, not before.

I question the timing re:conspiracy theories questioning the timing.

136 BenghaziHoops  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:00:45pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

There's a strange icy cold wind blowing through Los Angeles today.

I KNOW! Brown got fired from the Lakers today.
Snoopy dance!

137 Mich-again  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:01:00pm

re: #133 jaunte

Laura Ingraham was on Fox the other night recommending that conservativesdouble down the next time around.

Because when the medicine doesn't work it means you have to increase the dosage.

138 nines09  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:01:05pm

re: #133 jaunte

Laura Ingraham was on Fox the other night recommending that conservativesdouble down the next time around.

Like not only act like you have undiagnosed head trauma, but show the open wounds?

139 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:01:06pm

re: #123 jaunte

How does Boortz get that out of the event?

Benghazi!

That's how.

140 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:01:08pm

Just another cog in the 24/7 talk radio machine.

141 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:01:09pm

re: #123 jaunte

How does Boortz get that out of the event?

Because if he was absolute dictator and the Head of the CIA said "boo" to him the guy would be out on his ass in a heartbeat. You know, the kind of authoritarian dictatorship behavior set that triggers popular revolutions and not being able to sleep at night.
:p

142 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:01:47pm

re: #126 Jolo5309

Rear ended driving down the highway by a drunk driver just passed the crest of the railroad overpass, right near Brandt Industries.

Way too many drunk drivers in this province.
Were you hurt badly?

143 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:02:02pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

And... they're off!

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Again, stepping down does not prevent him from appearing in front of Congress.

144 danarchy  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:02:12pm

re: #131 AK-47%

So I had this incredibly hot Russian girlfriend in Moscow, natasha.

A graduate in chemistry from the Mendeleyev Institute (an elite school on par with MIT or Stanford), alcoholic, nymphomaniac, chain-smoker, brooding intellectual, green-eyed man-killer, right out of a James Bond movie.

You lost me at chain-smoker

145 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:02:38pm

re: #124 aagcobb

Maybe a lurker, but I bet the ones we have to worry about almost never post. The blowhards are just keyboard warriors.

I quite agree; it's the lurkers or non-posters who can be a genuine threat. Personally, I'd not want to own a website where I have to do a roll-call whenever there's some terrorist incident to make sure it wasn't one of my members.

But yes, by and large, the posters (on FR) are just howler monkeys. They all scream about "revolution" or "second-amendment solution", but let's face it, they're likely far too busy gorging themselves at Hometown Buffet or Olive Garden to bother picking up a rifle. And besides, the battlefield is certainly no place for a mobility scooter.

146 Mich-again  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:02:45pm

re: #96 Charles Johnson

There's a strange icy cold wind blowing through Los Angeles today.

It was a really nice day here in South Africa.. But the Castle Lager was icy cold.

147 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:02:50pm

re: #136 Digital Display

I KNOW! Brown got fired from the Lakers today.
Snoopy dance!

Oh? Is Kobe officially taking control now?

148 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:03:09pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

And... they're off!

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What an idiot! Would the resignation somehow keep Congress from calling him if they really want to? These people are pandering to sub-morons and they know it.

149 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:03:33pm

re: #130 Jolo5309

I want to say September, but it could have been August or even July.

My wife's family is from Indian Head, so we travel that way a lot.

Holy shit, that's quite a distance from Toontown. About 325kms

I travel between Regina and Broadview several times a week.

150 Jolo5309  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:03:49pm

re: #142 b_snark

Way too many drunk drivers in this province.
Were you hurt badly?

I strained a muscle in my shoulder, my brother in law cracked three vertebrae, shattered his right wrist and lost the top of his ear. He is still not back to work, the accident was 2 years ago last month.

My brother in law was the passenger. If we would have someone in the back seat of my Ion, they would have been dead.

151 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:03:54pm

re: #123 jaunte

How does Boortz get that out of the event?

Oh, who even knows any more. These people add 2 and 2 and get "fish". Trying to follow their logic will make your head explode.

152 lostlakehiker  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:03:58pm

re: #17 Interesting Times

The idea that someone who's otherwise qualified and doing a good job needs to resign due to marital infidelity alone is absurd. Unless national security was jeopardized in some way* (e.g. his mistress really was a "smoking hot Russian spy"), why can't this just be left as a private issue between him and his wife?

*Edited to add: or other ethical breaches of some kind, e.g. his mistress was a subordinate, prostitute, etc.

Sorry, but you're missing the point. The post of director of the CIA is an extremely sensitive spot. Standards must be of the Caesar's Wife variety. The road to a breach of security is paved with initial, nearly harmless transgressions.

It is most unfortunate that Petraeus got himself in this fix. He was a standup guy, a war hero, a war leader of the highest professionalism, smart, temperate and judicious, another ---who? We shall not soon see his like again. But still---he was right to tender his resignation. The job he had, above all jobs other than perhaps the equally sensitive NSA, was one where we just can't have the beginning of the shadow of doubt about whether the guy is a security risk. And even if he isn't himself a risk, when the rest of the agency has to meet a standard, so must the head.

153 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:04:01pm

re: #136 Digital Display

Pooh! Lakers need reshuffling!
*waves*

154 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:06:17pm

re: #150 Jolo5309

I strained a muscle in my shoulder, my brother in law cracked three vertebrae, shattered his right wrist and lost the top of his ear. He is still not back to work, the accident was 2 years ago last month.

My brother in law was the passenger. If we would have someone in the back seat of my Ion, they would have been dead.

Back injuries are hard to overcome.
I hope they nailed the drunk.

155 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:06:27pm

re: #152 lostlakehiker

Sorry, but you're missing the point. The post of director of the CIA is an extremely sensitive spot. Standards must be of the Caesar's Wife variety. The road to a breach of security is paved with initial, nearly harmless transgressions.

It is most unfortunate that Petraeus got himself in this fix. He was a standup guy, a war hero, a war leader of the highest professionalism, smart, temperate and judicious, another ---who? We shall not soon see his like again. But still---he was right to tender his resignation. The job he had, above all jobs other than perhaps the equally sensitive NSA, was one where we just can't have the beginning of the shadow of doubt about whether the guy is a security risk. And even if he isn't himself a risk, when the rest of the agency has to meet a standard, so must the head.

Much as I rarely say it I agree with Lostlake... remember getting access to things they shouldn't by sleeping with people in positions of power is how the Toasters managed to wipe out Caprica.

(Not sarcasm despite BSG reference)

156 Sionainn  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:06:58pm

Why did Petraeus tell everyone that he had an affair? Why couldn't he have just resigned? I don't get it.

157 nines09  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:07:32pm

re: #156 Sionainn

Why did Petraeus tell everyone that he had an affair? Why couldn't he have just resigned? I don't get it.

So there's no blackmail?

158 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:07:49pm
159 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:08:06pm

It actually did stop working for about 45 minutes.

160 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:08:08pm

What the next 4 years (probably longer) is going to look like:

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161 kirkspencer  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:08:23pm

re: #156 Sionainn

Why did Petraeus tell everyone that he had an affair? Why couldn't he have just resigned? I don't get it.

My guess is that it was discovered, and this is the less messy way to deal with it.

I have other guesses related to that discovery but as they're pure speculation I'll leave them for the next time I play in a sewer.

162 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:08:38pm

re: #156 Sionainn

Why did Petraeus tell everyone that he had an affair? Why couldn't he have just resigned? I don't get it.

Very likely to put off the sort of talk that is still cropping up despite the disclosure. You know, the suggestion that he's the "fall guy" for Benghazi.

163 BenghaziHoops  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:08:48pm

re: #153 Dancing along the light of day

Pooh! Lakers need reshuffling!
*waves*

Hey Sister Sister

164 Mich-again  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:09:41pm

re: #159 Charles Johnson

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It actually did stop working for about 45 minutes.

Ooh that's a pretty good CT. It has the key ingredient, an element of truth.

165 lostlakehiker  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:09:56pm

re: #156 Sionainn

Why did Petraeus tell everyone that he had an affair? Why couldn't he have just resigned? I don't get it.

He's a standup guy. (Apart from the affair, sigh.) He wouldn't want to provide grist to the conspiracy-theory mills by giving as the reason that he wanted to spend more time fishing. Or some other such twaddle.

It'll be bad enough as it is. But at least we have the real reason out in plain view.

166 nines09  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:10:13pm

re: #159 Charles Johnson

Sure it wasn't Trump cleansing his account?

167 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:10:14pm

re: #156 Sionainn

Why did Petraeus tell everyone that he had an affair? Why couldn't he have just resigned? I don't get it.

So people can't reasonably say he resigned because of, say, Benghazi or something?

168 Jolo5309  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:10:15pm

re: #154 b_snark

Back injuries are hard to overcome.
I hope they nailed the drunk.

Well, he is in remand and goes back to court in January IIRC. This was his fifth offence, and he didn't own a license, and it was not his vehicle.

169 Interesting Times  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:10:48pm

re: #155 jamesfirecat

Much as I rarely say it I agree with Lostlake... remember getting access to things they shouldn't by sleeping with people in positions of power is how the Toasters managed to wipe out Caprica.

Yes, after I mentioned "national security risk", I realized just how broad an application that could have. Like this case in Canada:

Maxime Bernier

Bernier came under even more intense scrutiny after the media discovered that his girlfriend Julie Couillard had past romantic links with members of the Hells Angels. Although the Prime Minister initially dismissed this as irrelevant, he later accepted Bernier's resignation when it was revealed that Bernier had left classified and sensitive briefing notes for an upcoming NATO meeting at Couillard's house after having broken off the relationship. Foreign Affairs was apparently unaware that NATO briefing papers were missing for five weeks. Couillard returned the package to Foreign Affairs on the advice of a lawyer,[21] and went to the media. The Liberals and the NDP are calling for a Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) investigation into possible security breaches, including Bernier's.[22]

That kind of thing happening with a CIA director would be baaad10

171 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:11:31pm

re: #150 Jolo5309

I strained a muscle in my shoulder, my brother in law cracked three vertebrae, shattered his right wrist and lost the top of his ear. He is still not back to work, the accident was 2 years ago last month.

My brother in law was the passenger. If we would have someone in the back seat of my Ion, they would have been dead.

Have they finished all the work they were/are doing on Circle Drive? We drove through there in July and the amount of work being done was amazing. I had no idea the city was expanding so quickly to the south.

I wish the hell we could get Ring Road widened.

172 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:12:45pm

re: #168 Jolo5309

Well, he is in remand and goes back to court in January IIRC. This was his fifth offence, and he didn't own a license, and it was not his vehicle.

Time for some forced rehab in jail.

173 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:12:59pm

re: #171 b_snark

Have they finished all the work they were/are doing on Circle Drive? We drove through there in July and the amount of work being done was amazing. I had no idea the city was expanding so quickly to the south.

I wish the hell we could get Ring Road widened.

You have to drop it into a volcano first before the Dark Lord can forge a new one.
;)

174 Sionainn  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:13:48pm

re: #157 nines09

So there's no blackmail?

Yeah, I guess...he could also just see what happens and if someone says they are going to "out" him, he says "so what."

175 Lidane  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:14:06pm

re: #172 b_snark

Time for some forced rehab in jail.

A LOT of forced rehab in jail. I can't imagine that a fifth offense would be anything less than a felony. They're looking at prison time, I think.

176 Jolo5309  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:14:16pm

re: #171 b_snark

Have they finished all the work they were/are doing on Circle Drive? We drove through there in July and the amount of work being done was amazing. I had no idea the city was expanding so quickly to the south.

I wish the hell we could get Ring Road widened.

No, it will be completed in spring, it was a clusterf. I am currently hoping it gets done soon, as I live in the area.

177 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:14:26pm

JHC. The conspiracy theories and wild speculations are already running at 11.

178 lawhawk  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:14:28pm

re: #173 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

There's a short cut - just drop the damned ring into Mount Doom by eagle!

179 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:14:46pm

If Petraeus had said, "I resign because I screwed up in Benghazi," then, yes, the wingnuts would have reason to speculate that he is a fall guy; not evidence, mind you, just reason to speculate.
Saying, "I resign because I screwed someone I shouldn't have," just does not have "fall guy" anywhere in the narrative.

180 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:15:03pm

re: #173 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

You have to drop it into a volcano first before the Dark Lord can forge a new one.
;)

I wish.

Aren't we just the most imaginative of people? A highway called Circle Drive in one city and one called Ring Road in another? Guess what their functions are?

181 Jolo5309  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:15:22pm

re: #172 b_snark

Time for some forced rehab in jail.

This is the first time he has been charged with drunk driving causing injury, I am assuming jail time.

182 Jolo5309  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:16:00pm

re: #180 b_snark

I wish.

Aren't we just the most imaginative of people? A highway called Circle Drive in one city and one called Ring Road in another? Guess what their functions are?

Circle Drive is not a circle, it is a U...

183 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:16:36pm

Well as far as the timing on this I would not think that Gen. Petraeus would have wanted this to effect the election in any way. It would not be the honorable thing to do for him to drop this bombshell just before the election. No man with his military career would want his own personal failing to damage the career of his superior (Obama). Since he had his meeting with the President on Thursday odds are high that he had made this decision before the election but purposefully withheld it until after, which was absolutely the right thing to do in this case.

His having an affair had nothing to do with whether or not Obama should be re-elected and I'm glad he didn't allow it to be used to affect the outcome. He had a human failing in his relationship with his wife, but that is something that only two of them can deal with, I hope successfully. I'm grateful that his sense of honor allowed his decision to resign to wait until after the election was over.

184 nines09  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:16:37pm

re: #174 Sionainn

I think it will be someone with some notoriety. That, and it's better to not have it surface later. He screwed up. Period. Bad idea and bad judgement. Not in his line of work and position.

185 Targetpractice  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:17:14pm

re: #179 Shiplord Kirel

If Petraeus had said, "I resign because I screwed up in Benghazi," then, yes, the wingnuts would have reason to speculate that he is a fall guy; not evidence, mind you, just reason to speculate.
Saying, "I resign because I screwed someone I shouldn't have," just does not have "fall guy" anywhere in the narrative.

That's because you're not applying insane troll logic to your thinking. You know, the kinda "logic" that says any resignations when there's a "scandal" going on are because the administration is trying to silence potential "leaks."

186 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:17:34pm

Karl Rove Defends His $300 Million Disaster

Two days later, Rove started the hard work of explaining why the Democrats were simply too much for any one billionaire-funded super PAC to handle.

He offered up a litany of culprits in the Wall Street Journal op-ed on Thursday to blame for Obama’s win. People to blame included:

•Mother Nature: Don’t like the election result? Blame God: “Hurricane Sandy interrupted Mr. Romney’s momentum and allowed Mr. Obama to look presidential and bipartisan.” Rove telegraphed this argument even before election day, but the fact remains that there’s almost no polling evidence at all for it. Obama’s swing state lead had stabilized well before the storm hit.

•Editors: “Then there was the anonymous New York Times headline writer who affixed “Let ‘Detroit Go Bankrupt’ to Mr. Romney’s November 2008 op-ed on reorganizing the auto companies, which the Obama campaign brought up again and again in the industrial Midwest. The president made it appear that Mr. Romney favored liquidation of the companies (which he did not), instead of an orderly reorganization (which he did).”

•The Hired Help: “A hotel employee with a cellphone camera taped Mr. Romney talking at a May fundraiser about the “47%” of the population that do not have any federal income-tax liability. When released in September, the video added to public doubts about Mr. Romney’s wealth and character.”

He also offered up another pair of juicy targets on Fox News the same day.

•Dirty Tricks: Rove told Fox that Obama won by “suppressing the vote.” Not by, say, imposing voting restrictions that disproportionately affect certain demographics, but by running mean ads about Bain Capital. And while Rove did the best he could (“The first group to respond to attacks on Bain was American Crossroads”) the real problem was….

•Mitt Romney: Rove said the Republican nominee ran a “valiant race,” but suggested that the failure to rebut the Bain attacks was exclusively a Romney issue. “We don’t do defense all that well,” he said. “It’s better to have the candidate [respond].”

187 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:17:51pm

re: #180 b_snark

I wish.

Aren't we just the most imaginative of people? A highway called Circle Drive in one city and one called Ring Road in another? Guess what their functions are?

Keep the tigers away would be my guess.

188 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:18:09pm

So the CIA can bump off JFK, inside-job-ify 9/11, control the weather, and fake the moon landings, but they can't cover up an affair. RIIIIIGHT! REAL ANSWER: BEN GOZZIE!!!!111

189 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:19:00pm
190 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:19:44pm

re: #176 Jolo5309

No, it will be completed in spring, it was a clusterf. I am currently hoping it gets done soon, as I live in the area.

It'll help when it's done I'm sure. Circle drive should not have traffic lights on it until it hits downtown. I hope they do the same for the intersections farther west.

We're too cheap to put overpasses where they need to be, especially on Lewvan. Mind you we aren't growing at the rate you guys are.

191 Kragar  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:19:50pm

re: #189 AK-47%

Oh the Inhumanity!

Anders Behring Breivik's prison conditions 'inhumane'

Nothing a quick visit with a flamethrower couldn't fix.

192 jerrysrollin.blogspot.com  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:20:12pm

Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Jesse Jackson, have put him in for a medal. Hilary says its a right wing conspiracy !

193 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:20:21pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

COINCIDENCE?! Petraeus is set to testify NEXT week at a closed door session on Capitol Hill abt Benghazi. Did BHO push him out? This stinks!

Uhh, yeah...because forcing him out of his job is going to make him so much less likely to testify truthfully about the "giant fiendish Benghazi cover-up plot?"

What a bunch of dolts...

194 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:20:55pm

re: #186 Kragar

And none of it has to do with the possibility that some of their proposed policies might be unpopular and potentially wrong...
Sheesh.

195 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:20:58pm

re: #189 AK-47%

Wow, what a whiny little crap.

196 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:21:03pm

re: #182 Jolo5309

Circle Drive is not a circle, it is a U...

And Ring Round only goes halfway around the city.

197 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:21:58pm

re: #187 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Keep the tigers away would be my guess.

Good guess.

Actually they're to confuse visitors to the cities.

198 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:22:04pm

re: #189 AK-47%

Oh the Inhumanity!

Anders Behring Breivik's prison conditions 'inhumane'

Maybe they should accommodate him as his victims are because of him, in a hole in the ground,

199 Mich-again  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:22:30pm

re: #189 AK-47%

Oh the Inhumanity!

Anders Behring Breivik's prison conditions 'inhumane'

Oh geeze, what a whiny little mass murdering freak show. Put your big Fjordman pants on turd.

200 b_Snark  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:24:04pm

Well, time to go crank the old beast up and fetch the wife.

BBL.

Unless it breaks down.

201 jamesfirecat  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:24:12pm

re: #192 jerrysrollin.blogspot.com

Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Jesse Jackson, have put him in for a medal. Hilary says its a right wing conspiracy !

///I hear New Gingrich and John McCain have seconded the idea of giving him a medal for proving how much he loves America!

202 Charles Johnson  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:24:34pm

re: #189 AK-47%

Oh the Inhumanity!

Anders Behring Breivik's prison conditions 'inhumane'

They're denying him moisturizer, and he has to rush his morning shave and shower. I think anyone would agree this is a crime against humanity.

203 Gus  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:24:50pm

re: #192 jerrysrollin.blogspot.com

Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Jesse Jackson, have put him in for a medal. Hilary says its a right wing conspiracy !

David Barton is a moron and John Wayne liked to wear hot pants.

204 Jolo5309  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:24:57pm

re: #200 b_snark

Well, time to go crank the old beast up and fetch the wife.

BBL.

Unless it breaks down.

good luck!

I have an hour of work left

205 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:25:04pm

re: #192 jerrystrollin.blogspot.com

Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Jesse Jackson, have put him in for a medal. Hilary says its a right wing conspiracy !

Hi Jerry!

206 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:26:05pm

re: #199 Mich-again

He's lucky that Norway didn't build an Azkaban on one of the small islands in the Svalbard Archipelago special for him.

207 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:29:29pm

re: #206 ProGunLiberal

He's lucky that Norway didn't build an Azkaban on one of the small islands in the Svalbard Archipelago special for him.

Could put him to work shoveling snow off the railroad track from Narvik to Sweden.

208 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:29:55pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

They're denying him moisturizer, and he has to rush his morning shave and shower. I think anyone would agree this is a crime against humanity.

Holy shit. I thought you were joking.

They should decorate his cell with pictures of Geller.

209 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:29:57pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

They're denying him moisturizer, and he has to rush his morning shave and shower. I think anyone would agree this is a crime against humanity.

I bet Ukraine or El Salvador would be happy to host him in one of their fabulous state-of-the-art prison facilities for the duration of his sentence, for a fee equivalent to whatever it costs to house him in Oslo.

210 nines09  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:30:04pm

re: #189 AK-47%

Oh the Inhumanity!

Anders Behring Breivik's prison conditions 'inhumane'

You don't hear his victims complaining. What a joke.

211 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:30:16pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

Anders Behring Breivik complained in a letter to the prison service that his coffee is served cold, he does not have enough butter for his bread, and he is not allowed moisturiser.

Sounds like an ordinary Monday morning & dive diner breakfast.
///

212 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:30:43pm

re: #192 jerrysrollin.blogspot.com

Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Jesse Jackson, have put him in for a medal. Hilary says its a right wing conspiracy !

I'm having a torrid love affair with your fleshy prose. Please grace us with more of your thoughtful, American, INDEPENDENT, perspectives, on, daily political, life.

213 erik_t  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:32:21pm

I can't even tell if the new troll would pass a Turing test.

Fiscal austerity is a bitch :(

214 lostlakehiker  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:32:48pm

Oh, while we're at it about "standup", I have to say I was wrong about the Unabomber being a leftist. He was against the military-industrial complex, and so was some fraction of the left during those years, but that's a thin association and after refreshing my memory by a look at some of the text of his "manifesto", it's clear he was no leftist.

215 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:32:58pm

re: #206 ProGunLiberal

This is Svalbard.

It's Southern-most island is at 75N. Way above the Arctic Circle. Water Temperature are always Titanic-esque. And half of the year, it is iced in.

216 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:33:47pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

They're denying him moisturizer, and he has to rush his morning shave and shower. I think anyone would agree this is a crime against humanity.

Another big-talking gun fetishist turns out to be a privileged wimp.

Shocking and unanticipated.//

217 Ian G.  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:33:50pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

They're denying him moisturizer, and he has to rush his morning shave and shower. I think anyone would agree this is a crime against humanity.

Yeah, I'm going to report my weekday morning routine to Amnesty International. Not only do I have to rush my shower and shave, my girlfriend's alarm wakes me up 30 minutes earlier than I have to wake up with the same damn Mumford and Sons song every day!

218 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:33:51pm

re: #215 ProGunLiberal

This is Svalbard.

It's Southern-most island is at 75N. Way above the Arctic Circle. Water Temperature are alway Titanic-esque. And half of the year, it is iced in.

I just shivered looking at that.

219 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:34:00pm

re: #215 ProGunLiberal

This is Svalbard.

It's Southern-most island is at 75N. Way above the Arctic Circle. Water Temperature are alway Titanic-esque. And half of the year, it is iced in.

Well, is the ice thing still effective? AGW n'at.

220 dragonath  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:34:01pm

re: #215 ProGunLiberal

Check it out, King Kong Karls Land

221 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:34:48pm

re: #214 lostlakehiker

Oh, while we're at it about "standup", I have to say I was wrong about the Unabomber being a leftist. He was against the military-industrial complex, and so was some fraction of the left during those years, but that's a thin association and after refreshing my memory by a look at some of the text of his "manifesto", it's clear he was no leftist.

While you're at it, what about your assertion that Asians vote a certain way to avoid provoking their neighbors?

222 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:35:52pm

re: #217 Ian G.

Yeah, I'm going to report my weekday morning routine to Amnesty International. Not only do I have to rush my shower and shave, my girlfriend's alarm wakes me up 30 minutes earlier than I have to wake up with the same damn Mumford and Sons song every day!

My alarm clock is feline and does not adjust for about two weeks after seasonal time changes. And it does not have a snooze bar you can tap for another 7-9 minutes of silence.
;p

(GAZE from Feline Overlord. Oops!)

223 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:36:26pm

re: #189 AK-47%

Oh the Inhumanity!

Anders Behring Breivik's prison conditions 'inhumane'

Anders Behring Breivik complained in a letter to the prison service that his coffee is served cold, he does not have enough butter for his bread, and he is not allowed moisturiser.

In the letter, he complains that the cell is poorly decorated and has no view.

224 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:37:16pm

re: #189 AK-47%

Oh the Inhumanity!

Anders Behring Breivik's prison conditions 'inhumane'

What a whiny punk, come over here and we'll introduce you to Florida State Prison, you'll be crying to go back home in about half an hour.

225 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:37:36pm

Brevik should have thought about that before he decided to kill a bunch of people. No sorrow, no sympathy for that asshole.

226 Interesting Times  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:38:00pm

Remember the earlier rumor someone quoted about Petraeus's mistress being an aide of Elizabeth Warren? Well, not quite...

Holly Petraeus To Be Elizabeth Warren's Pick For Top Post In New Consumer Protection Agency

Elizabeth Warren, the Obama administration appointee now establishing a consumer financial protection agency, plans to name the wife of General David Petraeus--the top American general in Afghanistan--to a new position tasked with protecting military families from predatory lenders, according to sources familiar with the planning.

It's his wife who was connected to Warren, not his mistress, unless the above appointment led to other things down the line...

227 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:38:32pm

re: #219 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Maybe not the ice. But the waters will always be frigid. Places like this are perfect for prisons for the worst of the worst.

228 erik_t  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:39:30pm

re: #189 AK-47%

Oh the Inhumanity!

Anders Behring Breivik's prison conditions 'inhumane'

Literally better than my dorm room in undergrad.

229 lostlakehiker  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:39:36pm

re: #221 wrenchwench

While you're at it, what about your assertion that Asians vote a certain way to avoid provoking their neighbors?

It struck me as prudent. (And I had in mind the LA riots, where Korean shopkeepers were targeted. Not for anything they did, other than be different. How could it be a good idea to be more different?) I don't myself know their reasons. But I did think of another reason that might apply: Republicans are restrictionist on immigration, and quite a few Asian citizens are recent immigrants and why wouldn't they want others in their family with similar plans to be able to make the move?

230 Cap'n Magic  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:39:57pm

re: #129 Charles Johnson

So he resigned-wouldn't he still be required to testify?

231 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:40:25pm

re: #221 wrenchwench

While you're at it, what about your assertion that Asians vote a certain way to avoid provoking their neighbors?

That's a doozy, so asians are cowards, LOL. I can't wait to tell my half Japanese step siblings that they only voted for Obama because they feared my wrath.

232 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:41:40pm

re: #227 ProGunLiberal

Maybe not the ice. But the waters will always be frigid. Places like this are perfect for prisons for the worst of the worst.

You remember Robert Hansen? The FBI man spying for the Russians. We have him in a prison in the middle of the Rockies. Not quite a desolate island near the Arctic circle but I think ADX Florence would be hell. Though after visiting Alcatraz this summer, I would think that would be bad too. On New Year's eve, the inmates could actually hear people in the city celebrating. So close to freedom, yet so far. I don't know what would be worse honestly.

233 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:44:17pm

re: #229 lostlakehiker

It struck me as prudent.?

It was nuts and made absolutely no fucking sense, as I detailed for you. What don't you get about this? You conjectured that Asians voted for Obama out of caution, because they didn't want want to be seen as conservatives among liberals (because... why? You hinted darkly, but never said what this conspiracy theory holds happens to those islands of red in a sea of blue.).

But that makes no fucking sense, because if Asians were concentrated in such high numbers as to be identifiable by electoral region, they'd completely dominate local politics too, obviously. So why would they be all scurred? And why the fuck do you think Asians are fearful of liberals? What fantasy did that spring from?

It was a statement that was saved from racism only by its total incoherence.

234 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:49:04pm

re: #225 HappyWarrior

Brevik should have thought about that before he decided to kill a bunch of people. No sorrow, no sympathy for that asshole.

He was planning to be dead afterwards. His attitude is more evidence that the death penalty is a bad idea.

235 HappyWarrior  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:54:22pm

re: #234 wrenchwench

He was planning to be dead afterwards. His attitude is more evidence that the death penalty is a bad idea.

Yep.

236 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 1:56:19pm

re: #229 lostlakehiker

It struck me as prudent. (And I had in mind the LA riots, where Korean shopkeepers were targeted. Not for anything they did, other than be different. How could it be a good idea to be more different?) I don't myself know their reasons. But I did think of another reason that might apply: Republicans are restrictionist on immigration, and quite a few Asian citizens are recent immigrants and why wouldn't they want others in their family with similar plans to be able to make the move?

You know we have secret ballots, right?

As for your other reason, let me shorten it: Republicans are racist, and Asian voters are observant.

237 funky chicken  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 2:06:07pm

re: #60 darthstar

sorry, not funny

238 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 2:17:15pm

re: #202 Charles Johnson

They're denying him moisturizer, and he has to rush his morning shave and shower. I think anyone would agree this is a crime against humanity.

The fiends!!

239 Decatur Deb  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 2:19:10pm

A bit of internal bitching about the Romney ground game came out on Ace of Spades. (It would be less telling on Huffpo or TPM.) Their Project Orca GOTV automation effort was a complete circle-jerk. It's also significant that they think a GOTV effort starts a couple days before the election:

[Link: minx.cc...]

There are hundreds of outraged entries, but the longer ones really tell the story. These people were simply incompetent.

240 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 2:19:14pm

re: #224 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Is Angola State Prison still around? Heh. He'd be crying like a little bitch inside 30 seconds.

241 ckkatz  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 2:35:06pm

Petreus would have had to undergo a polygraph and a lifestyle background investigation. The vetting process for such a senior and sensitive position is likely even more thorough. He may also have taken the position before the investigation was completed.

I wonder if he failed to fully think through the implications of his acceptance of the job. I doubt that he is of the psychology that enjoys taking risks and gambling.

An affair risks the possibility of blackmail. And it also implies the possibility of additional lying and other violations of the expected code of conduct.

Was the resignation timed wrt the election. Quite possibly. However, most likely, if there was any timing, it was done by Petreus to avoid dragging the CIA, he, his family, and his mistress, into the election and another Issa politically based fishing expedition. To have served the US, through different administrations, as long as he has, strongly suggests that Petreus has a lot of loyalty and respect for the institutions.

Clearly, it may also have ended his national political aspirations.

242 lostlakehiker  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 2:58:01pm

re: #233 Obdicut

It was nuts and made absolutely no fucking sense, as I detailed for you. What don't you get about this? You conjectured that Asians voted for Obama out of caution, because they didn't want want to be seen as conservatives among liberals (because... why? You hinted darkly, but never said what this conspiracy theory holds happens to those islands of red in a sea of blue.).

But that makes no fucking sense, because if Asians were concentrated in such high numbers as to be identifiable by electoral region, they'd completely dominate local politics too, obviously. So why would they be all scurred? And why the fuck do you think Asians are fearful of liberals? What fantasy did that spring from?

It was a statement that was saved from racism only by its total incoherence.

Asians are in fact often concentrated in a way that makes it possible to discern their politics, locally. There are Chinatowns in New York, Philadelphia, San Francisco, etc.

Prudence and caution have to do with more than avoiding being the targets of riots. They mainly have to do with avoiding giving offense that could lead to restrictions on further immigration (a global issue), or regulatory difficulties (a local issue). In these, and in other, big cities, local politics can a grubby business. It just cannot be a good idea to side with the party that never is in charge, in a city where nobody else sides with that party.

243 lostlakehiker  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 3:07:19pm

re: #236 wrenchwench

You know we have secret ballots, right?

As for your other reason, let me shorten it: Republicans are racist, and Asian voters are observant.

Residentially segregated minorities cannot make a secret of their group voting patterns. As to the other, believe what you like. But look at what happens in California to Asians who apply for admission to the state university system. The rules are tweaked, and re-tweaked, to put as much weight as possible on criteria that favor whites over Asians. Or everybody else over Asians. Republicans don't have clean hands in this pattern of abuse, but neither do Democrats, and in California, Democrats rule. Ward Connerly opposed that sort of thumbs-to-scale stuff. I guess that makes him a white racist Republican bigot.

Asian voters are pretty quiet about this abuse. I won't call it cowardice, because to my mind, caution and prudence are very different from cowardice. But I do think that they are sensibly cautious on this topic.

244 Obdicut  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 3:10:18pm

re: #242 lostlakehiker

Asians are in fact often concentrated in a way that makes it possible to discern their politics, locally. There are Chinatowns in New York, Philadelphia, San Francisco, etc.

Not in terms of a national election, it's not. You don't get that granular a detail, and again, you idiot, all Chinese do not live in Chinatown. This isn't 1919.

Image: 600px-Race_and_ethnicity_San_Francisco%2C_Oakland%2C_Berkeley_%282000%29.png

(The green are Asian-- as you can see, they're all over San Francisco, because they're normal goddamn people most of them second and third generation citizens, not fearful immigrants huddled in a circle in the patronizing stupid way you're talking about them.)

Prudence and caution have to do with more than avoiding being the targets of riots. They mainly have to do with avoiding giving offense that could lead to restrictions on further immigration (a global issue), or regulatory difficulties (a local issue). In these, and in other, big cities, local politics can a grubby business. It just cannot be a good idea to side with the party that never is in charge, in a city where nobody else sides with that party.

Jesus christ, you just won't drop this. What the hell has happened to you? I cannot believe the nutjob conspiracy theories you're busting out with these days.

Your theory is that Asians in San Francisco vote for the Democratic president because somehow people would know it was the Asians voting Republican even though votes are secret and Asians are dispersed throughout San Francisco, and that, even though Asians are a huge political force in San Francisco they'd be all scurred of incurring the wrath of the Democrats on regulatory issues.

That's your theory. Not that the nativism, racism, anti-science, and anti-government attitude of the GOP has turned off Asians who, in general, have a cultural history of being community-minded, who have a high percentage of non-Christians, and who place high standing on education especially in science?

It must be because Democrats wouldn't allow a Chinese dude to build a shed extension if they figured out that Chinese people were mostly voting for Republicans by somehow acquiring the number of votes per precinct and then doing some Bayesian shit on it or something.


Holy shit, dude.

245 DisturbedEma  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 3:14:36pm

Ah thanks for the answers about a honey pot

246 wrenchwench  Fri, Nov 9, 2012 3:25:38pm

re: #243 lostlakehiker

Residentially segregated minorities cannot make a secret of their group voting patterns. As to the other, believe what you like. But look at what happens in California to Asians who apply for admission to the state university system. The rules are tweaked, and re-tweaked, to put as much weight as possible on criteria that favor whites over Asians. Or everybody else over Asians. Republicans don't have clean hands in this pattern of abuse, but neither do Democrats, and in California, Democrats rule. Ward Connerly opposed that sort of thumbs-to-scale stuff. I guess that makes him a white racist Republican bigot.

Asian voters are pretty quiet about this abuse. I won't call it cowardice, because to my mind, caution and prudence are very different from cowardice. But I do think that they are sensibly cautious on this topic.

They can't make a secret of their voter registration, that's public. But their ballots are secret.

Ward Connerly opposed that sort of thumbs-to-scale stuff. I guess that makes him a white racist Republican bigot.

It doesn't make him white.

There are racists in all human groups, including political parties and demographic groups.

And what Obdicut said.


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