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Loony Pamela Geller: Petraeus Resignation Is an Obama Plot to Put a Muslim in Charge of the CIA

Just another stealth shariah plot by BHO
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The right wing universe is now in full-bore conspiracy theory mode over the resignation of CIA Director David Petraeus, just as I predicted. It’s a case study in the conservative movement’s decline into bad craziness; they’re all muttering darkly about cover-ups and hidden connections and “questioning the timing.”

One of the most brain-dead of the wingnuts, loony hateblogger Pamela Geller, has a typical post on the subject; for her it’s all part of the Islamic supremacist stealth shariah takeover of America, of course:

GENERAL DAVID PETRAEUS RESIGNS - Atlas Shrugs.

I do not believe it was the real reason was [sic] an extramarital affair. I believe it was Benghazi. He refused to be the fall guy. When did an affair ever stop a Democrat. If anything….

Perhaps one of Obama’s many Muslim Brotherhood advisors are on the shortlist to replace him.

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309 comments

1 makeitstop  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:41:34am

* headdesk *
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What would loons like Pamz do without their precious conspiracies?

2 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:49:50am

Come now, we all know that's not the case. It was to get Patraeus away from Congress, so that he couldn't spill the beans on how Obama ordered Stevens and Woods killed!!

3 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:50:34am

CREEPING SHARIA! SOOPER SEKRIT MUSLIM! LISTEN TO ME I AM STILL RELEVANT!

DERP.

4 b_Snark  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:51:24am

She really needs professional help.

Seriously.

5 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:52:49am
I believe it was Benghazi. He refused to be the fall guy

I know I shouldn't try too hard to make sense of this, but it sounds like she thinks Benjamin Ghazi refused to be the fall guy.

6 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:57:44am

Petghazi!

Bentraeus!

Musghazi? Naw, that one sounds too much like Pam with the heaves...

7 b_Snark  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:59:01am

OMG!

I just heard from the CTV News channel that Obama was reelected. Is this true?

That's fantastic.

Sorry for the OT, but this was too stupid not to share.

8 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:00:45am

re: #7 b_snark

OMG!

I just heard from the CTV News channel that Obama was reelected. Is this true?

That's fantastic.

Sorry for the OT, but this was too stupid not to share.

Did you get this weird sense of deja vu like maybe you were trapped in groundhog day forever?

9 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:01:26am

Ben Ghazi is the guy who is meant to distract our attention away from what Fiscal Cliff is doing. You heard it here first!

10 b_Snark  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:04:09am

re: #8 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Did you get this weird sense of deja vu like maybe you were trapped in groundhog day forever?

Actually, no. A few days ago, CTV News was still talking about the run up to the election.

They must get their information from the blogosphere and twitter and their reader guy is falling behind.

One good thing about that is they'll be two days late reporting the end of the world.

11 b_Snark  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:05:23am

re: #9 Pawn of the Oppressor

Ben Ghazi is the guy who is meant to distract our attention away from what Fiscal Cliff is doing. You heard it here first!

He just recently changed his name from Fiscal Fart to Fiscal Cliff because people weren't taking him seriously.

12 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:06:57am

The freak that just will not go away: Pamela Geller.

My Bob, is she actually making enough money to support herself with this crap?

And, how are you-all this day? We had a hail storm this morning in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland. Made for good "sleeping-in" noises.

13 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:07:52am

re: #12 Gretchen G.Tiger

The freak that just will not go away: Pamela Geller.

My Bob, is she actually making enough money to support herself with this crap?

And, how are you-all this day? We had a hail storm this morning in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland. Made for good "sleeping-in" noises.

Enjoying a quiet Saturday, the last one I'm gonna have a couple weeks. Ugh.

14 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:07:54am

re: #12 Gretchen G.Tiger

The freak that just will not go away: Pamela Geller.

My Bob, is she actually making enough money to support herself with this crap?

And, how are you-all this day? We had a hail storm this morning in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland. Made for good "sleeping-in" noises.

The sun has just come out for the first time in over a week. Too bad it's supposed to snow soon.

15 Mark Winter  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:09:10am

Acute Dimbulbism Syndrome

16 Kragar  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:09:32am
When did an affair ever stop a Democrat.

Um, Anthony Weiner, John Edwards, Gary Hart, Eliot Spitzer?

17 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:10:42am

re: #16 Kragar

Um, Anthony Weiner, John Edwards, Gary Hart, Eliot Spitzer?

Hush you, your "truth" and "facts" have no place in illogical discourse.

18 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:11:01am

re: #16 Kragar

When did Petraeus become a Democrat?

19 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:11:31am

re: #16 Kragar

Um, Anthony Weiner, John Edwards, Gary Hart, Eliot Spitzer?

BESIDES THEM!!

Seriously, it's like a bad sector on their internal HDDs, that inability to get past Clinton's infidelities to recognize that several prominent Democrats who got caught with their pants down either left office or were forced out.

20 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:11:43am

re: #18 allegro

When did Petraeus become a Democrat?

Apparently, because Pam Geller says so.

21 Kragar  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:12:19am

re: #18 allegro

When did Petraeus become a Democrat?

As soon as he began working with Obama.
/

I think she meant Republicans are held to one standard and Democrats to another.

22 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:12:41am

re: #18 allegro

When did Petraeus become a Democrat?

Kinda wondering about that one myself.

23 b_Snark  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:13:46am

re: #12 Gretchen G.Tiger

The freak that just will not go away: Pamela Geller.

My Bob, is she actually making enough money to support herself with this crap?

And, how are you-all this day? We had a hail storm this morning in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland. Made for good "sleeping-in" noises.

Still snowing.

Just shovelled the walk.

Normally, I'd have to shovel it again in 2 hours but I have to pick up the daughter and baby grandkid in an hour so I'm also picking up the big grandkid's boots while I'm there so he can shovel the walk.

Can't pull one over grandpa's eyes for long.

24 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:15:08am

re: #23 b_snark

Still snowing.

Just shovelled the walk.

Normally, I'd have to shovel it again in 2 hours but I have to pick up the daughter and baby grandkid in an hour so I'm also picking up the big grandkid's boots while I'm there so he can shovel the walk.

Can't pull one over grandpa's eyes for long.

Ah! hahahahahahah!

25 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:15:48am

re: #21 Kragar

As soon as he began working with Obama.
/

I think she meant Republicans are held to one standard and Democrats to another.

No shit. Besides "Appalachian Trail," how many Republicans caught with mistresses have resigned or been shown the door by the party leadership?

26 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:18:42am

We need something with a military flair for this thread since it is about a General (sorta).


27 SpikeDad  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:23:26am

I heard that Kareem Abdul Jabar was a top candidate. Her comments make sense.

28 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:24:10am

Even if this issue had not threatened his email and security, I have the feeling Petraeus would have been on the way out anyway. This isn't the first scandal dealing with the CIA this year.

29 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:25:05am
30 SteelGHAZI  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:26:01am

re: #1 makeitstopghazi

* headdesk *
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What would loons like Pamz do without their precious conspiracies?

Be productive members of society?

31 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:26:07am

RIP, Lever Voting Machines: Where Did Old Booths Go?

Aw dang.

This is unrelated, but I'm still not understanding why mail-in voting has recently become some kind of liberal cause. I'm seeing people talking it up all over the internet.

Remember, in Ohio, black voters were more likely to deliver their absentee vote in person rather than through the mail, as the Republican Secretary of State was trying to mandate. There's a reason for that.

32 RadicalModerate  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:27:19am

re: #25 Targetpractice

No shit. Besides "Appalachian Trail," how many Republicans caught with mistresses have resigned or been shown the door by the party leadership?

The only one who I can think off offhand is David Vitter, who was stupid enough to have repeated telephone correspondence with prostitutes on his government-issued cellphone.

Oh, and I forgot about David Wu, who had to resign because he thought it would be a bright idea to engage in sexual advances toward one of his fundraisers' daughters (who was a minor at the time).

33 kirkspencer  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:27:50am

For amusement... I've long wondered if maybe Gen Petraeus was a democrat at heart. Some of his policies, his military manual recommendations, were more progressive than the standard republican line.

I would find it the height of hilarity if the republicans openly forgave and redeemed his transgression, only to see him run on a D platform in a few years. Heads go blooey all over...

34 RadicalModerate  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:28:54am

re: #29 wrenchwench

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Campaign workers who he left stranded with cancelled credit cards and expense accounts on election night?

36 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:30:39am

re: #31 dragonath

RIP, Lever Voting Machines: Where Did Old Booths Go?

Aw dang.

This is unrelated, but I'm still not understanding why mail-in voting has recently become some kind of liberal cause. I'm seeing people talking it up all over the internet.

Remember, in Ohio, black voters were more likely to deliver their absentee vote in person rather than through the mail, as the Republican Secretary of State was trying to mandate. There's a reason for that.

In Florida, the OfA strategy was to push mail and early voting, simply as a way to subvert the attempt to suppress voting through a ballot of up to 11 pages. The GOP legislature had the full text of all 11 amendments on the ballot, and local government added their issues. We knew the lines would be unmanageable on election day.

37 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:31:49am

re: #32 RadicalModerate

The only one who I can think off offhand is David Vitter, who was stupid enough to have repeated telephone correspondence with prostitutes on his government-issued cellphone.

Oh, and I forgot about David Wu, who had to resign because he thought it would be a bright idea to engage in sexual advances toward one of his fundraisers' daughters (who was a minor at the time).

Even Larry "Wide-Stance" Craig didn't resign, just failed to run again.

38 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:33:22am

re: #33 kirkspencer

In some ways, you could say the same about General McArthur. He was a Republican, yet the administration created under his military occupation had protections for labor unions and was explicitly pacifist.

39 RadicalModerate  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:38:06am

re: #37 Decatur Deb

Even Larry "Wide-Stance" Craig didn't resign, just failed to run again.

Really, it's only cases where Republicans do something monumentally stupid is when there are jobs at stake - and even then, they tend to find convenient people to take the fall, whenever possible.

GOP fires Allison Meyers as strip-club scandal taints party

40 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:38:07am

Geller is the price we pay for freedom of speech.

41 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:38:12am
42 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:39:52am

I couldn't find an actual quote, but nonetheless...

43 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:41:39am

What a nutcase
FBI probe of

Petraeus triggered by e-mail threats from biographer, officials say

The collapse of the dazzling career of CIA Director David H. Petraeus was triggered when a woman whom he was having an affair with sent threatening e-mails to another woman close to him, according to three senior law enforcement officials with knowledge of the episode.

The recipient of the e-mails was so frightened that she went to the FBI for protection and help tracking down the sender, according to the officials. The FBI investigation traced the threats to Paula Broadwell, a former military officer and a Petraeus biographer, and uncovered explicit e-mails between Broadwell and Petraeus, the officials said.

When Petraeus’s name first surfaced, FBI investigators were concerned that the CIA director’s personal e-mail account had been hacked and security had been breached. But the sexual nature of the e-mails led them to conclude that Petraeus and Broadwell were engaged in an affair, the officials said.

The identity of the woman who received the e-mails was not disclosed, and the nature of her relationship with Petraeus is unknown. The law enforcement officials said the e-mails indicated that Broadwell perceived the other woman as a threat to her relationship with Petraeus.

44 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:43:03am

Apparently there's another potential wrinkle to this story:

Did Paula Broadwell's Husband Write A Letter To New York Times About Petraeus Affair?

45 RadicalModerate  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:43:34am

re: #42 wrenchwench

Peter King...complaining about people being too sanctimonious...

Image: FinalIronyMeter.gif

46 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:43:37am

re: #35 Gus

Related:

New Warning About Muslim Brotherhood’s Influence on White House From…Liberal Marxist Muslim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That's got everything a wingnut needs! Including

SOROSSSS!!!1!

Not George, it's his brother, but close enough!

47 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:45:38am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

What a nutcase
FBI probe of

Seriously? So the whole thing became an FBI issue because Broadwell engaged in an internet catfight?

48 JamesWI  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:45:54am
49 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:46:11am

re: #47 Targetpractice

Seriously? So the whole thing became an FBI issue because Broadwell engaged in an internet catfight?

Looks like it.

50 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:46:19am

Fox News Guest Says Obama Scared Voters With “Rape Camps”
Geez, they just can't stop themselves from talking about rape.

51 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:46:53am

What I don't get is why Petraus resigned, yet the SS agents who hired prostitutes (weren't any of them married) didn't get their asses handed to them.

52 Big Joe Ghazi  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:47:06am

re: #50 Varek Raith

Fox News Guest Says Obama Scared Voters With “Rape Camps”
Geez, they just can't stop themselves from talking about rape.

They like rape.

53 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:47:16am

re: #49 Killgore Trout

Looks like it.

Geez, this whole thing's looking more and more ridiculous. Maybe Patraeus resigned just to avoid the embarrassment.

54 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:47:57am
55 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:48:01am

re: #47 Targetpractice

Seriously? So the whole thing became an FBI issue because Broadwell engaged in an internet catfight?

That's actually the first thing that came to my mind when I heard that his mistress tried (succeeded?) to hack into his email. That sounded like jealous lover to me or a woman who thought she was about to get dumped.

56 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:48:27am

re: #50 Varek Raith

Fox News Guest Says Obama Scared Voters With “Rape Camps”
Geez, they just can't stop themselves from talking about rape.

"I think the lady doth protest too much"

57 kirkspencer  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:48:44am

re: #51 Gretchen G.Tiger

What I don't get is why Petraus resigned, yet the SS agents who hired prostitutes (weren't any of them married) didn't get their asses handed to them.

From what I can see, the resignation idea was solely Petraeus's decision. Had he wanted, it might well have been buried.

58 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:49:15am

re: #55 allegro

That's actually the first thing that came to my mind when I heard that his mistress tried (succeeded?) to hack into his email. That sounded like jealous lover to me or a woman who thought she was about to get dumped.

fookin' stupid --like she didn't realize every trip wire was connected to Petraus?

59 dragonfire1981  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:49:46am

I wasn't looking for this, but it popped up on the Amazon homepage when I went there a moment ago:

The Joy of Hate: How to triumph over Whiners in the age of phony Outrage

It's probably not what you are thinking it is. Here's the summary:

From the irreverent star of Fox News’s Red Eye and The Five, hilarious observations on the manufactured outrage of an oversensitive, wussified culture.

Greg Gutfeld hates artificial tolerance. At the root of every single major political conflict is the annoying coddling Americans must endure of these harebrained liberal hypocrisies. In fact, most of the time liberals uses the mantle of tolerance as a guise for their pathetic intolerance. And what we really need is smart intolerance, or as Gutfeld reminds us, what we used to call common sense.

The Joy of Hate tackles this conundrum head on--replacing the idiocy of open-mindness with a shrewd judgmentalism that rejects stupid ideas, notions, and people. With countless examples grabbed from the headlines, Gutfeld provides readers with the enormous tally of what pisses us all off. For example:
- The double standard: You can make fun of Christians, but God forbid Muslims. It's okay to call a woman any name imaginable, as long as she's a Republican. And no problem if you're a bigot, as long as you're politically correct about it.
- The demonizing of the Tea Party and romanticizing of the Occupy Wall Streeters.
- The media who are always offended (see MSNBC lineup)
- How critics of Obamacare or illegal immigration are somehow immediately labeled racists.
- The endless debate over the Ground Zero Mosque (which Gutfeld planned to open a Muslim gay bar next to).
- As well as pretentious music criticism, slow-moving ceiling fans, and snotty restaurant hostesses.

60 blueraven  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:50:02am

re: #47 Targetpractice

Seriously? So the whole thing became an FBI issue because Broadwell engaged in an internet catfight?

I think the woman in question who received emails from Broadwell might be a CIA employee in some capacity.

61 kirkspencer  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:50:10am

re: #55 allegro

That's actually the first thing that came to my mind when I heard that his mistress tried (succeeded?) to hack into his email. That sounded like jealous lover to me or a woman who thought she was about to get dumped.

So did she hack in, or did the general use her laptop to do some work which left some stray cookies and links?

62 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:50:56am

re: #57 kirkspencer

From what I can see, the resignation idea was solely Petraeus's decision. Had he wanted, it might well have been buried.

Maybe, maybe not.

63 Inner Partisan  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:51:26am

I still don't understand what, exactly, Obama's purported misconduct is supposed to be in regards to Benghazi. Whenever I ask a wingnut, all they do is yell something to the effect of "TYPICAL LIBERAL TO BLIND TO SEE THE TRUTH!", froth at their mouth, and shake themselves into a rage-induced stupor.

Seriously, what's the great scandal here?

64 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:51:33am

re: #61 kirkspencer

So did she hack in, or did the general use her laptop to do some work which left some stray cookies and links?

She was really a sekrit communist russian double agent . . . .

(key Vincent Price evil laugh):0

65 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:52:12am

re: #53 Targetpractice

Geez, this whole thing's looking more and more ridiculous. Maybe Patraeus resigned just to avoid the embarrassment.

It's also possible this is just the tip of the iceberg. Maybe multiple affairs, sexual harrasment, etc. It's also possible that others at the CIA knew what was going on. There might be a bit of housecleaning to do.

66 RadicalModerate  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:52:39am

re: #50 Varek Raith

Fox News Guest Says Obama Scared Voters With “Rape Camps”
Geez, they just can't stop themselves from talking about rape.

With an assertion like that, I'd like to see one instance where the Obama campaign said anything at all about women getting thrown into "rape camps". I mean, there were cameras and recording devices EVERYWHERE during this campaign. Surely, he can come up with just one instance of it actually happening, and I'm positive that FoxNews, Brietbart, and just about any other rightwing "news" organization would have had a pre-election field day with it.

Or, Michael Graham could be just voicing his own demented sexual fantasies, and projecting them onto those who he doesn't like.

67 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:53:32am

re: #51 Gretchen G.Tiger

What I don't get is why Petraus resigned, yet the SS agents who hired prostitutes (weren't any of them married) didn't get their asses handed to them.

That story isn't over. It seems to have produced one suicide already.

68 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:53:47am

re: #63 Inner Partisan

I still don't understand what, exactly, Obama's purported misconduct is supposed to be in regards to Benghazi. Whenever I ask a wingnut, all they do is yell something to the effect of "TYPICAL LIBERAL TO BLIND TO SEE THE TRUTH!", froth at their mouth, and shake themselves into a rage-induced stupor.

Seriously, what's the great scandal here?

The embassy wasn't correctly guarded. Hillary took responsibility, when I guess some people think it should have gone to the top. She did what Eric Holder refuses to do in Fast and Furious. She protected the Oval Office.

It's all bullshit propaganda. I mistake happened. It was Libya, basically a war-zone. I might take it all seriously if it happened in England or Australia, but I think all involved knew the risks

69 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:54:51am

re: #63 Inner Partisan

I still don't understand what, exactly, Obama's purported misconduct is supposed to be in regards to Benghazi. Whenever I ask a wingnut, all they do is yell something to the effect of "TYPICAL LIBERAL TO BLIND TO SEE THE TRUTH!", froth at their mouth, and shake themselves into a rage-induced stupor.

Seriously, what's the great scandal here?

I haven't a fucking clue, but apparently it's as big/bigger than Watergate, if you believe the wingnuts. Gonna totally destroy Obama's career and lead to impeachment, just like Fast & Furious...oh wait...

70 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:55:19am

re: #65 Killgore Trout

It's also possible this is just the tip of the iceberg. Maybe multiple affairs, sexual harrasment, etc. It's also possible that others at the CIA knew what was going on. There might be a bit of housecleaning to do.

Yeah, it seems like every 4 years, the CIA needs a fumigation.

71 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:56:00am

re: #52 Big Joe Ghazi

They like rape.

My .02 armchair psychiatry says they have a fixation on domination and theft. Hmmm...

72 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:56:36am

re: #59 dragonfire1981

I wasn't looking for this, but it popped up on the Amazon homepage when I went there a moment ago:

The Joy of Hate: How to triumph over Whiners in the age of phony Outrage

It's probably not what you are thinking it is. Here's the summary:

I completely agree with him on that. However, doesn't seem to mention his own network brought the same techniques to perfection long before others adopted it.

73 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:57:13am

re: #71 Pawn of the Oppressor

My .02 armchair psychiatry says they have a fixation on domination and theft. Hmmm...

Fantasizing every possible way to prove their mythical superiority. Seems they need proof from a sky-god and are willing to see it in ever blade of grass.

74 sagehen  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:57:38am

re: #51 Gretchen G.Tiger

What I don't get is why Petraus resigned, yet the SS agents who hired prostitutes (weren't any of them married) didn't get their asses handed to them.

I'm pretty sure those SS agents lost their jobs; so did their supervisors. Some were allowed to resign, others were fired and lost their pensions.

75 kirkspencer  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:57:41am

re: #59 dragonfire1981

I wasn't looking for this, but it popped up on the Amazon homepage when I went there a moment ago:

The Joy of Hate: How to triumph over Whiners in the age of phony Outrage

It's probably not what you are thinking it is. Here's the summary:

It is published by Crown Forum, which is pretty well dominated by RWNJ authors. Crown forum is an imprint of Crown Publishing, which puts other authors in other imprints. It makes for a quick subject reference.

76 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:58:20am

re: #74 sagehen

I'm pretty sure those SS agents lost their jobs; so did their supervisors. Some were allowed to resign, others were fired and lost their pensions.

good

77 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:59:06am

re: #59 dragonfire1981

I wasn't looking for this, but it popped up on the Amazon homepage when I went there a moment ago:

The Joy of Hate: How to triumph over Whiners in the age of phony Outrage

It's probably not what you are thinking it is. Here's the summary:

Outrage as defined by a wingnut.

78 OhNoZombies!  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:00:15pm

Just think, the Wingers are just getting started...
Guess I won't have to put away the popcorn, cause the next four years promise to be one hell of a show.
//

79 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:00:24pm

Wait, Valerie Plame is a muslim?

80 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:00:50pm

If he were a Democrat, I wouldn't be surprised to see calls for a CIA audit.

81 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:01:48pm

re: #68 Gretchen G.Tiger

She did what Eric Holder refuses to do in Fast and Furious. She protected the Oval Office.

What is Holder supposed to do now?

The inspector general's report concluded there is "no evidence" that Attorney General Eric Holder, who heads the Justice Department, knew the details of Fast and Furious before they became publicly known in February 2011. Holder requested the internal review the same month.

82 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:03:47pm

re: #78 OhNoZombies!

Just think, the Wingers are just getting started...
Guess I won't have to put away the popcorn, cause the next four years promise to be one hell of a show.
//

I optimistically think they're going to burn out since the purposeful effort of funding this crap will go away with the astroturf failure. OTOH, the flea market this morning had about 10X the normal number of gun sellers and 20X the normal number of guns.

OTOOH, a bunch of skater-kids in a pickup bed were playing Bob Dylan LOUD.

83 sagehen  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:05:08pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

It's also possible this is just the tip of the iceberg. Maybe multiple affairs, sexual harrasment, etc. It's also possible that others at the CIA knew what was going on. There might be a bit of housecleaning to do.

Once the FBI started investigating Petraeus' girlfriend, and his name was brought into it (and the possibility of his computer being compromised)... it put his security clearance in automatic temporary abeyance. Even if it turns out he's totally cleared of any suspicion of anything, until the investigation is finished he can't legally have access to the information he would need to be able to do his job.

84 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:05:12pm

There's a review in there by Jonah Goldberg. Excerpt:

Gutfeld doesn’t mention Herbert Marcuse, but he talks a lot about “repressive tolerance,” a term Marcuse coined and popularized. The Frankfurt School Marxist argued that traditional—i.e., classically liberal—notions of tolerance were in fact oppressive because they helped perpetuate the sorts of societies Marcuse disliked (liberal, capitalist, democratic, free, decent, etc). And so, as Frankfurt School Marxists are known to do, he vomited up a bilious stew of nonsense that basically served as a secular fatwa: Leftwing groups are free to say whatever they want, but “rightwing” groups (defined as any outfit not loyal to leftwing groups) were to be treated as bigoted and offensive simply because they disagreed with leftwing groups. As Marcuse writes, “Liberating tolerance, then, would mean intolerance against movements from the Right and toleration of movements from the Left.”

Who knew. Outrage is fascism.

85 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:05:59pm

re: #81 wrenchwench

What is Holder supposed to do now?

They refuse to believe the report because they choose to believe that the IG is covering for his boss, whether you believe that mean Holder or Obama. Not that it matters, as word is Holder's considering make a run for the exit, which would make the whole thing pointless.

Really, you gotta love it. Every major figure in the administration they think they can take down is either considering or already confirmed to be resigning.

86 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:06:16pm

re: #81 wrenchwench

What is Holder supposed to do now?

The point is that when all this was in the news, Eric Holder repeatedly didn't take responsibility for the actions of the Justice Dept. He let the rumors and accusations fly to the Oval Office.

Obama, righty, had his back. Yet, he didn't have Obama's. It really pissed me off.

Hillary OTOH, made it very clear that the Office of State was her responsibility.

87 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:06:37pm

re: #67 Decatur Deb

That story isn't over. It seems to have produced one suicide already.

?? What did I miss? Who killed themselves?

This rabbit hole is starting to get deeper. It reminds me of a local (Texas) case going on right now... A 17-year-old girl was shot during a break in earlier in the year, but it turns out she had arranged the whole thing with the two gunmen, and got caught in the crossfire and killed. The owner of the house was apparently into drugs, and *he* in turn was found dead in a burning SUV last week. They've since arrested the two people who killed him, and one of them has the same last name as the house owner victim, but isn't related. Investigation is still ongoing. All we need yet is a tie-in to a state legislator somehow, and we have a Coen brothers movie.

Sometimes pulling on a thread just gets you a thread, other times it unravels the whole cloth.

88 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:06:45pm

re: #82 Decatur Deb

Upding for the Alabama, pickup truck, skater-kids playing Dylan. Love that image.

89 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:08:09pm

[x] Pencil

90 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:09:38pm

re: #85 Targetpractice

They refuse to believe the report because they choose to believe that the IG is covering for his boss, whether you believe that mean Holder or Obama. Not that it matters, as word is Holder's considering make a run for the exit, which would make the whole thing pointless.

Really, you gotta love it. Every major figure in the administration they think they can take down is either considering or already confirmed to be resigning.

There has been chatter about Holder stepping down. I'd like see him replaced--by Rahm Emanuel. Ass-kickin' would ensue.

91 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:10:51pm

re: #81 wrenchwench

What is Holder supposed to do now?

I have to add, that I got to listen to the daily play-by-play of NRA propaganda spurned by Issa's outrage. The gun nuts were freaking-out. It all could have been avoided and my ears spared if Holder would have taken responsibility for the Justice Dept at the get-go.

92 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:11:12pm

re: #87 Pawn of the Oppressor

[Link: www.politico.com...]

93 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:11:26pm

re: #87 Pawn of the Oppressor

?? What did I miss? Who killed themselves?

This rabbit hole is starting to get deeper. It reminds me of a local (Texas) case going on right now... A 17-year-old girl was shot during a break in earlier in the year, but it turns out she had arranged the whole thing with the two gunmen, and got caught in the crossfire and killed. The owner of the house was apparently into drugs, and *he* in turn was found dead in a burning SUV last week. They've since arrested the two people who killed him, and one of them has the same last name as the house owner victim, but isn't related. Investigation is still ongoing. All we need yet is a tie-in to a state legislator somehow, and we have a Coen brothers movie.

Sometimes pulling on a thread just gets you a thread, other times it unravels the whole cloth.

So, when is it legitimate and when is it a evil Conspiracy?

94 Decatur Deb  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:15:03pm

re: #88 allegro

Upding for the Alabama, pickup truck, skater-kids playing Dylan. Love that image.

Playing The Times They Are a-Changin, honest-to-God. Probably just liked the twang.

95 geoduck  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:20:49pm

re: #31 dragonath

This is unrelated, but I'm still not understanding why mail-in voting has recently become some kind of liberal cause. I'm seeing people talking it up all over the internet.

Remember, in Ohio, black voters were more likely to deliver their absentee vote in person rather than through the mail, as the Republican Secretary of State was trying to mandate. There's a reason for that.

It's become popular because it works. Here in Washington and Oregon we've all been doing it for years now. You get your ballot at home to fill out at your leisure, with no standing in line for hours. If you don't trust the mail to get it back, there are places offered to, yes, drop it off in person. Can it be subverted? Yes, but so can any process involving humans, as Ohio has shown this year.

96 BongCrodny  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:22:04pm

re: #12 Gretchen G.Tiger

TMy Bob, is she actually making enough money to support herself with this crap?

If we could only convert wingnut welfare to fuel, our energy problems would be solved forever.

97 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:24:12pm

Rep. Allen West is apparently defeated

Conservative firebrand Rep. Allen B. West (R-Fla.) appears to have lost his reelection bid, with final vote totals in the state’s new 18th Congressional District showing him trailing by more than 2,000 votes.

With 100 percent of precincts reporting, Democrat Patrick Murphy leads West by 2,442 votes — 50.4 percent to 49.6 percent. That is outside the margin (0.5 percent) for a computer recount.

The Associated Press, however, has not called the race, and West is vowing to continue fighting.

98 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:26:20pm

Yes. Lizards, are you prepared for the shocking truth of the events to come?

It is I....I! Jubair Ali al-Jazar al-Sayed who shall be named as the head of the CIA, and this Thanksgiving Day, my plan shall come to fruition! I shall have my super secret stealth jihad halal Butterball turkeys and halal Campbell's Soup delivered to households great and small throughout America, all filled with secret Muslim incantations! And then, when you foolish kuffar have imbibed and eaten your fill of it's tender, jihadi goodness, at 21:00 EST, I shall stand facing toward the sacred Kabaa in Mecca in my office, and recite, "La ilaha ilallah, Muhammadun Rasulluhlah!" and behold! You shall all be converted instantly to Islam! Then I shall say, "Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim" and recite Surah Fatiha, and President Obama shall be magically transformed into the Mahdi, and America at that moment will be forever known as the United Islamic States of the Caliphate!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Seriously.....this woman needs some serious help. She's a nut.

99 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:26:23pm
101 BenghaziHoops  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:30:27pm

There are some serious Jets flying overhead from Tinker AFB.
Winston is freaking out and I'm loving it. Imagine hiding in a cave listening to fighters roaring your way.

102 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:31:15pm

re: #101 Digital Display

There are some serious Jets flying overhead from Tinker AFB.
Winston is freaking out and I'm loving it. Imagine hiding in a cave listening to fighters roaring your way.

Hey Hoops, I read above, so sorry about your friend & his son. Sad.

103 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:34:41pm

What Romney Lost

The best line:

What can be worse than to sell your soul and find it not valuable enough to get anything for it?

But read it all. It's short.

104 BenghaziHoops  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:36:37pm

re: #102 Stanghazi

Hey Hoops, I read above, so sorry about your friend & his son. Sad.

Thank you.. It was very sad last night. We talked today..He is cooking all day with a hangover for the Funeral.

105 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:46:52pm

OT

106 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:47:01pm

bbl

107 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:47:30pm

#ObamaChristmasSongs

Looks derpy. Anyone go look?

108 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:54:26pm
109 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:54:59pm

re: #95 geoduck

What I'm taking issue with is the insistence that it is a more failsafe method of voting, while ignoring historical trends and voter preferences. Washington and Oregon don't have a history of voter intimidation. Furthermore, you are assuming that communities in other states have a vested interest in seeing minorities and poor people vote.

The best system, I think, is one that gives people more than one way to cast their ballots, but I'm not going to hold my breath as the Supreme Court seems on the verge of striking down the Voting Rights Act.

EDIT: We'll have a better idea how other states handle it if Arizona doesn't make a hash out of it. There are still more than 400,000 outstanding ballots out there.

110 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:55:01pm

re: #107 Gus

#ObamaChristmasSongs

Looks derpy. Anyone go look?

111 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:55:01pm

re: #105 Stanghazi

OT

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Perhaps one of these days, Florida will cease being seen as the swing state to win. Hell, this year it wasn't even important to the race, Obama could have won without it and Ohio.

112 BongCrodny  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:56:35pm

re: #107 Gus

#ObamaChristmasSongs

Looks derpy. Anyone go look?

I worked my way through a couple hundred of them and one of them almost made me kinda sorta half-smile.

Conservative humor may indeed be an oxymoron.

113 BongCrodny  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:58:51pm

"Oh, the Geller inside is frightul..."

114 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 12:59:52pm

Poor Lance. //

He just tweeted this photo:

'Back in Austin and just layin' around...'

Image: media_22700756.jpg

115 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:02:01pm

re: #114 wrenchwench

Poor Lance. //

He just tweeted this photo:

'Back in Austin and just layin' around...'

Image: media_22700756.jpg

I don't know what to think anymore. Used to think all the talk him doping was just rivals with axes to grind. Now...I just don't know.

116 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:03:33pm

re: #114 wrenchwench

Poor Lance. //

He just tweeted this photo:

'Back in Austin and just layin' around...'

Image: media_22700756.jpg

You know, I'm really getting tired of Armstrong's passive aggressiveness.

117 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:03:54pm
118 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:04:48pm
119 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:06:37pm

re: #115 Targetpractice

I don't know what to think anymore. Used to think all the talk him doping was just rivals with axes to grind. Now...I just don't know.

Testimony came from long-time close associates like George Hincapie. It's pretty clear Lance used performance enhancing drugs. What that does to one's opinion of him can still vary, though. He still has a lot of loyal fans. It's possible to not condemn a guy who was the best in the sport in all its aspects, including illicit medical aspects, and including dodging the consequences for so long.

120 HappyWarrior  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:07:54pm

re: #118 Lidane

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Bwahahhaha.

121 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:08:31pm

re: #116 dragonath

You know, I'm really getting tired of Armstrong's passive aggressiveness.

It's just a photo. And a tweet.

What it says to me is that history can be rewritten, but not erased. He does not hold the titles any more, but he won the races and has the jerseys to show for it.

122 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:09:41pm

re: #111 Targetpractice

Perhaps one of these days, Florida will cease being seen as the swing state to win. Hell, this year it wasn't even important to the race, Obama could have won without it and Ohio.

Agreed, but FYI, that tweet was about the Gators.

123 b_Snark  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:10:38pm

re: #59 dragonfire1981

I wasn't looking for this, but it popped up on the Amazon homepage when I went there a moment ago:

The Joy of Hate: How to triumph over Whiners in the age of phony Outrage

It's probably not what you are thinking it is. Here's the summary:

Full of irony isn't it?

124 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:11:21pm

Back on topic:

125 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:13:29pm

re: #121 wrenchwench

It's just a photo. And a tweet.

What it says to me is that history can be rewritten, but not erased. He does not hold the titles any more, but he won the races and has the jerseys to show for it.

Which is abundantly clear. A reminder of how Great he is from Mr. Humilty himself.

126 Inner Partisan  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:14:24pm

re: #124 wrenchwench

Aww man, I love that guy. Glad he's known around here, too :D

127 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:19:45pm
128 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:21:24pm

ALPHA MALE!!

129 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:22:06pm
130 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:22:52pm

Wait, is that bumper sticker saying Ann Romney is a man

131 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:24:47pm

re: #130 dragonath

Wait, is that bumper sticker saying Ann Romney is a man

Yeah no kidding. That's a really dumb bumper sticker.

132 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:28:41pm

Pam is the warthog, her posts are piles of shit, the people who post at her site are hungry flies.

134 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:34:46pm

re: #126 Inner Partisan

Aww man, I love that guy. Glad he's known around here, too :D

There are some days when he's the only reason to have a Twitter account.

135 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:35:05pm
136 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:39:18pm

re: #127 Gus

Not laughing. Just snickering. /

137 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:42:02pm

Nerdy but a good read:

138 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:46:23pm

re: #137 Lidane

Nerdy but a good read:

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The more I hear about ORCA, the more I remember Mitt dissing the organization behind the London Olympics.

139 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:46:33pm

re: #5 wrenchwench

I know I shouldn't try too hard to make sense of this, but it sounds like she thinks Benjamin Ghazi refused to be the fall guy.

You rang?

140 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:46:58pm
141 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:48:40pm
The New York Times reports that the agency began investigating after receiving a complaint about "harassing" emails sent by Broadwell to a third party, who has not been identified.

This story is getting really weird.

142 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:48:40pm

re: #138 Four More Tears

The more I hear about ORCA, the more I remember Mitt dissing the organization behind the London Olympics.

What kind of idiot essentially beta tests an app on Election Day? That's what they did with ORCA. None of the volunteers had hands on experience with it. They didn't even know if they could use it on their devices and the campaign didn't even turn it on until 6AM on Election Day.

What. The. Fuck. Who does that if they're serious about winning?

143 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:49:28pm

re: #142 Lidane

What kind of idiot essentially beta tests an app on Election Day? That's what they did with ORCA. None of the volunteers had hands on experience with it. They didn't even know if they could use it on their devices and the campaign didn't even turn it on until 6AM on Election Day.

What. The. Fuck. Who does that if they're serious about winning?

And they kept calling it an app, which only led to more confusion. Clusterfuck of epic proportions.

144 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:49:47pm

re: #101 Digital Display

BIG freaking hug for you!
(((HH)))

145 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:51:04pm

re: #139 Ben G. Hazi

You rang?

The Fall Guy!!! Get him!!!

146 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:52:39pm

re: #142 Lidane

What kind of idiot essentially beta tests an app on Election Day?

What. The. Fuck. Who does that if they're serious about winning?

Mitt Romney, apparently.

147 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:53:23pm

Heh:

148 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:54:19pm
149 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:54:42pm

re: #146 dragonath

Mitt Romney, apparently.

Turn-around guy!

Managerial experience!

150 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:56:31pm

re: #149 Four More Tears

Turn-around guy!

Managerial experience!

He was never a turn-around guy. He was a garbage picker in a suit.

151 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:57:05pm

re: #31 dragonath

RIP, Lever Voting Machines: Where Did Old Booths Go?

Aw dang.

This is unrelated, but I'm still not understanding why mail-in voting has recently become some kind of liberal cause. I'm seeing people talking it up all over the internet.

Remember, in Ohio, black voters were more likely to deliver their absentee vote in person rather than through the mail, as the Republican Secretary of State was trying to mandate. There's a reason for that.

It's a voters cause AFAIK. I love it. It's a first line of defense against most shenanigans. It's great on several levels. When you apply for it you get an early chance to fix anything like if you need to re register. That keeps you safer from registration purging. You get the ballot well enough in advance you can take your time with it. Accuracy, no rush. Then for the price of a stamp you send it in or as mentioned drop it off at any polling place. Not necessarily the one near your home. Maybe a convenient one near work or the commute. The helps protect you from all the "find the new polling place" inconvenience, long lines or heck any of us can get sick in flu season right? Some polling places are in sketchy neighborhoods.

152 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:58:03pm
153 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:59:02pm

re: #151 Daniel Ballard

I still know how to unjam a Shoup machine.

154 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 1:59:08pm

re: #152 dragonath

Obama re-election sends US down 'path of destruction,' says Franklin Graham

Link has some extra stuff at the beginning.

Otherwise... yeah, we DOOMED!! //

155 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:00:10pm

Do the 1,000 years of darkness start now, or do we get to apply the four years Obama's already been in office?

156 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:00:50pm
157 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:01:37pm

re: #152 dragonath

Obama re-election sends US down 'path of destruction,' says Franklin Graham

I thought we got sent down the path of destruction when Clinton got re-elected in 1996. Isn't that what these goobers said back then?

158 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:02:20pm

re: #157 Lidane

I thought we got sent down the path of destruction when Clinton got re-elected in 1996. Isn't that what these goobers said back then?

It's a long path. I'm enjoying the stroll.

159 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:02:47pm

re: #157 Lidane

I thought we got sent down the path of destruction when Clinton got re-elected in 1996. Isn't that what these goobers said back then?

But this time they really mean it. Seriously.
/

160 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:02:58pm

re: #156 wrenchwench

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161 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:03:18pm

Oh such sweet irony.

162 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:03:29pm

I found a packet of newspaper clipouts from 1996. Dole was against normalizing relations with Vietnam, among other things.

163 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:03:31pm

re: #160 Gus

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OK, that's it. Fuck him.

164 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:04:00pm

re: #163 wrenchwench

OK, that's it. Fuck him.

Yeah. He also Tweeted this...

165 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:04:52pm

re: #163 wrenchwench

OK, that's it. Fuck him.

Yeah...
Dammit.

167 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:07:47pm

re: #166 Varek Raith

Frank Luntz: Fox Viewers "Ought To Be Outraged Because, Day In And Day Out, They Were Told" Romney Would Win
Uh, because of people like you, chief.

Self-awareness, Frank haz none.

168 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:08:41pm

re: #160 Gus

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I guess atheists just don't have the kind of moral foundation that... hey waitaminute...

169 sagehen  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:08:42pm

re: #138 Four More Tears

The more I hear about ORCA, the more I remember Mitt dissing the organization behind the London Olympics.

Sully has a good set of letters about obama v romney organizations
[Link: andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com...]

Here's my favorite overview:

On the macro level, if you take the entire campaign at its face value as a business - a job creator, even? - the Obama campaign had a higher return on investment, ran a better strategy, implemented better tools and metrics to achieve its targets, spent its money more wisely, had a more efficient staff org chart and better managers. In the free market system, it was a strikingly successful example of entrepreneurial acumen. Romney and Rove were beat at their own game.

example from a 2008 Obama enthusiast who was lukewarm this time around:

I had very little to do with the Obama For America website this election, however, in an attempt to escape the onslaught of harassing television and radio ads, direct mail pieces and a phone that rang so may times a day I ended up unplugging it, I voted early. Low and behold, a few days after I voted I received an email from OFA thanking me for voting. It had an invitation to a get out the vote event at a neighbor's home a few blocks from my home. When I clicked the response box that I could not attend a window popped up giving me several alternatives to helping the campaign such as making phone calls. Get out the vote opportunities continued to pop up in my email the remaining weeks of the campaign.

On election day, I got several text messages from OFA asking me to make a few calls. Can you make 5 calls? No. Can you make 3 calls? No. Can you make 1 call? Yes. That's a ground game.

170 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:09:09pm

re: #166 Varek Raith

Frank Luntz: Fox Viewers "Ought To Be Outraged Because, Day In And Day Out, They Were Told" Romney Would Win
Uh, because of people like you, chief.

What a slimy weasel.

171 b_Snark  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:11:23pm

re: #170 Four More Tears

What a slimy weasel.

He give weasels a bad name.

172 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:11:38pm

re: #166 Varek Raith

Frank Luntz: Fox Viewers "Ought To Be Outraged Because, Day In And Day Out, They Were Told" Romney Would Win
Uh, because of people like you, chief.

"Romney's totally got this! The polls have been badly skewed! Silver can't be trusted! Nobody expects minorities to show up in the numbers they did in '08!"
*Election happens*
"How dare the Romney campaign lie to us like that!? They should have known they were in a bad spot! Who ever believed the polls could lie like that?!"

173 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:11:59pm

re: #165 Varek Raith

Yeah...
Dammit.

Another vote for "fuck him". Atheist soldiers a threat? How about philandering generals?

174 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:12:12pm

re: #166 Varek Raith

Frank Luntz: Fox Viewers "Ought To Be Outraged Because, Day In And Day Out, They Were Told" Romney Would Win
Uh, because of people like you, chief.

That's seriously weird.

175 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:12:19pm

re: #171 b_snark

He give weasels a bad name.

Sack of shit? No, no, fertilizer is far more useful than Luntz ever was.

176 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:12:29pm

re: #151 Daniel Ballard

I think we'll have a better idea how mailing ballots works outside the Northwest depending on how well Arizona manages it in the next week.

Really, I'm more disturbed by the way Ohio had tried to cut corners in their electoral process. "In person" is still the issue here. That does not bode well.

177 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:13:25pm

re: #146 dragonath

Mitt Romney, apparently.

CEO President! He's got this handled!

He manages, you work... Or don't, in this case.

178 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:13:32pm

re: #173 Pawn of the Oppressor

Another vote for "fuck him". Atheist soldiers a threat? How about philandering generals?

Specifically that's in the book that Petraeus endorsed and not a quote of his. The book was/is allegedly against the UCMJ.

179 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:13:57pm

This image is making the rounds...

Image: Wingnut_Derp.jpg

180 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:14:42pm

But you told me Romney was going to win!!

Derp.

181 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:15:31pm

re: #178 Gus

Specifically that's in the book that Petraeus endorsed and not a quote of his. The book was/is allegedly against the UCMJ.

Well, he still endorsed it! Let me get my hate on, man, it keeps me going. ;) I am a filthy liburl unbeliever, after all.

182 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:15:46pm

re: #179 Gus

This image is making the rounds...

Image: Wingnut_Derp.jpg

Nothing says "sore loser" better.

183 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:15:53pm

re: #160 Gus

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I think that is an offshoot of the old adage "There are no atheists in foxholes" If the military allowed the notion that there is no God to propagate among the troops, it might make it a bit more difficult to get soldiers to go out and sacrifice their lives for what are just political conflicts.

184 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:16:05pm

re: #174 Gus

That's seriously weird.

Stage 1-c : Ultra Denial

185 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:16:44pm

So in the end... right wing Christian hero and former Chirstian MORALIZING Army general goes down in flames for a) cheating on his wife for close to 2 years and b) putting the CIA and possibly national security at risk.

186 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:16:56pm

re: #141 Four More Tears

This story is getting really weird.

Bet $20.00 it was his wife.

triggered when a woman whom he was having an affair with sent threatening e-mails to another woman close to him, according to three senior law enforcement officials with knowledge of the episode.

The recipient of the e-mails was so frightened that she went to the FBI for protection and help tracking down the sender, according to the officials. The FBI investigation traced the threats to Paula Broadwell,

The woman on the side after being scorned sends anonymous threatening e-mails to the mans wife. She in turn gets scared and goes to FBI. Boom done. They are just trying to keep her name out of it because it really doesn't matter who she was as far as the fallout from this. At least not unless Broadwell gets formally charged with something.

187 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:17:44pm

I forgot about that stupid book. Was pretty pissed off when I found out about it.

188 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:18:37pm

re: #185 Gus

So in the end... right wing Christian hero and former Chirstian MORALIZING Army general goes down in flames for a) cheating on his wife for close to 2 years and b) putting the CIA and possibly national security at risk.

And he'll be reviled by the wingnuts when he gets his final walking papers and doesn't dish to the press about the "truth" of Benghazi.

189 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:19:44pm

I see Dick Morris is back to Benghazi.
And STOP UN GUN CONTROL!!!

190 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:21:28pm
As is often the case here at the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), while in the course of investigating one report of constitutionally questionable activity within our armed forces, we stumble into something else that’s just as bad or worse.[...]

While perusing the rest of the Air Force Times issue, [MRFF Founder] Weinstein noticed a half-page ad for a book by Army chaplain Lt. Col. William McCoy, titled Under Orders: A Spiritual Handbook for Military Personnel. With a title like that, MRFF, of course, had to find out just what this book was about, and this is what we found — a pro-Christian, anti-atheist book heartily endorsed by none other than Gen. David Petraeus…Contrary to the old “no atheists in foxholes” movie line, the percentage of non-theists in the military, according to a report from the Population Reference Bureau, is actually somewhat higher than it is among the civilian population.

This isn’t the first time MRFF has taken issue with an endorsement by Gen. Petraeus. Last November, while looking into the completely unconstitutional practice of mandatory Christian concerts being foisted upon our soldiers during basic training at several of the Army’s largest training installations [...]

191 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:21:34pm

That the right still takes him seriously tells me all I need to know about why they think they lost and what they are going to do about it.
Nothing.

192 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:21:44pm

re: #189 Varek Raith

U.N. GUN CONTROL and what?

193 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:22:05pm

re: #192 watching you tiny alien kittens are

U.N. GUN CONTROL and what?

Demand A Full Investigation Into The Benghazi Attack!

194 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:23:49pm
195 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:23:51pm

Hey, um overstate much CNN?

(CNN) -- Historians will likely judge David Petraeus to be the most effective American military commander since Eisenhower.

He was, after all, the person who, more than any other, brought Iraq back from the brink of total disaster after he assumed command of U.S. forces there in 2007.

196 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:24:33pm

re: #189 Varek Raith

I see Dick Morris is back to Benghazi.
And STOP UN GUN CONTROL!!!

Benghazi! Agenda 21! FEMA camps! Chem trails! Sharia law!

It's going to be a looong four years.

197 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:24:49pm

I took this picture earlier today at Addo National Park in South Africa.. The Tweet came in response to a really dumb facebook post from a friend

[Link: twitter.com...]

198 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:25:39pm

re: #197 Mich-again

I took this picture earlier today at Addo National Park in South Africa.. The Tweet came in response to a really dumb facebook post from a friend

[Link: twitter.com...]

Traffic jam.

199 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:26:32pm

re: #198 Varek Raith

Traffic jam.

HONK HONK! outta my way lardass!

200 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:29:32pm

re: #185 Gus

So in the end... right wing Christian hero and former Chirstian MORALIZING Army general goes down in flames for a) cheating on his wife for close to 2 years and b) putting the CIA and possibly national security at risk.

It was all the Left's fault. Somehow, it's always the Left's fault.

201 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:30:39pm

re: #200 Four More Tears

It was all the Left's fault. Somehow, it's always the Left's fault.

If liberals and moochers and immigrants hadn't re-elected the Soshulist Kenyan, Petraeus would still have a job!

Or something.

202 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:30:49pm

re: #200 Four More Tears

It was all the Left's fault. Somehow, it's always the Left's fault.

But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
Matthew 6:6

203 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:31:00pm

re: #195 Daniel Ballard

Historians will likely judge David Petraeus to be the most effective American military commander since Eisenhower.

Did Paula Broadwell write this?

/

204 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:31:02pm

re: #190 Gus

I'm gonna guess that these guys aren't big fans of all the Gideons who give recruits bibles and stuff.

205 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:31:05pm

re: #179 Gus

This image is making the rounds...

Image: Wingnut_Derp.jpg

a citizen of Hatey

206 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:31:23pm

re: #202 Gus

But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
Matthew 6:6

Which is a comment found here.

207 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:32:34pm

re: #202 Gus

But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
Matthew 6:6

What Jesus really meant to say was to get in front of a TV camera first. It was a bad translation from Aramaic to Latin.
/

208 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:32:44pm

Comments on Dick Morris's election night thread are a hoot.

209 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:39:41pm

re: #208 Varek Raith

Comments on Dick Morris's election night thread are a hoot.

I love that a Romney victory by 112 EVs is a landslide, but an Obama victory by 126 is a squeaker.

If there were a retard museum, Dick Morris would be an exhibit.

210 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:40:35pm

re: #186 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Bet $20.00 it was his wife.

The woman on the side after being scorned sends anonymous threatening e-mails to the mans wife. She in turn gets scared and goes to FBI. Boom done. They are just trying to keep her name out of it because it really doesn't matter who she was as far as the fallout from this. At least not unless Broadwell gets formally charged with something.

They said woman #2 was not family, but worked at the CIA. (What I recall reading in Wapo today.)

211 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:40:57pm

re: #204 dragonath

I'm gonna guess that these guys aren't big fans of all the Gideons who give recruits bibles and stuff.

That isn't a problem. It is a problem if they are sending Bibles translated in kurdu and farsi to the overseas troops and asking them to hand them out. Which happened BTW even though regulations strictly forbid proselytizing by the troops of people in the "host" countries. It wasn't the Gideons though, it was a group of evangelical churches.

They raised a big stink when the military burnt the bibles...

212 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:42:27pm

re: #197 Mich-again

I took this picture earlier today at Addo National Park in South Africa.. The Tweet came in response to a really dumb facebook post from a friend

[Link: twitter.com...]

You're in SA now? Great photo.

213 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:43:27pm

re: #200 Four More Tears

It was all the Left's fault. Somehow, it's always the Left's fault.

General Betray Us.

Dog that set their hair AFIRE.

214 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:43:59pm

re: #213 Stanghazi

General Betray Us.

Dog that set their hair AFIRE.

Somehow I get the feeling that his wife is thinking about that.

215 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:48:07pm

Where's KT?

216 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:48:32pm

I like my friends, but some of them are prone to wingnutty derp. An otherwise cool guy on FB today:

Once again, there's evidence of voter fraud. I'm not going to get into whether this guy or that guy should have won. Instead I want to propose that we do what they do in Iraq...once you've voted, you dip your finger in ink. This way the voting booth officials can see if you've already voted. I know it's not a perfect system, but it is apparently better than the one we've got now.

217 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:49:18pm

Since there's another Bond movie in the theater, I'd like to take this moment to remind people of the most amazing Sean Connery movie ever:

Image: zardoz.jpg

218 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:49:25pm

re: #215 Gus

Where's KT?

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Rapey trucks?

219 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:49:48pm

re: #212 Stanghazi

You're in SA now? Great photo.

Yeah, a couple weeks here on a work assignment at a factory. And I've had some interesting conversations with the workers here. For some reason they seem surprised when I tell them I voted for Obama.

220 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:50:09pm

re: #218 Four More Tears

Rapey trucks?

Stabby

United
Pepper
Spray

//

221 Cap'n Magic  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:50:11pm

re: #217 dragonath

Ah yes-the GOP platform!

222 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:50:23pm

re: #215 Gus

Where's KT?

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What can Rapey Stabby do for you?

223 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:52:10pm

One recent BBC documentary which I missed is "Conspiracy Road Trip: Creationism", about which John Hawks blogged today, pointing to a Jerry Coyne piece, who in turned pointed to a Prothero piece in which the latter described his experience in making the show:

A SURREAL JOURNEY AMONG THE CREATIONISTS

[...] None of them could give coherent answers to the scientific evidence, yet nonetheless were determined to stick with their beliefs. This was no surprise to any of us, since evidence doesn’t matter to creationists. They have an entire worldview which is wrapped about the salvation of their immortal soul and the fear of rejecting the literal interpretation of the Bible, so that comes first and everything else is unimportant. They reject evolution only because they’ve been told to do so by religious leaders, even though they have no clue what it’s about; what they think they know about it is wrong. Indeed, they showed the classic response of a true believer: when something threatens your worldview, you cling to it even more strongly and find any way you can to dismiss or ignore contrary evidence. That, apparently, is the point of the entire show, since the 9/11 truthers and the UFO nuts act the same way. But given the way the show was framed, it’s clear that the producers want to put these creationists on camera as object lessons on how irrational and dogmatic and impervious to evidence they really are, even while showing less dogmatic viewers that scientists can be friendly and reasonable and have all the evidence. Given the low level of creationist beliefs in the U.K., this is probably not a hard sell, but I’d be interested to see if it airs in the U.S. where creationism still claims about 40% of the U.S. population.

[...]

Prothero's blog entry is long but I highly recommended reading it, especially as he describes the unwillingness of the young creationists to deal with the evidence the scientists present before their eyes.


You can view the the BBC show for yourself:

Comedian Andrew Maxwell takes five British creationists to the west coast of America to try to convince them that evolution rather than creationism explains how we all got here. Stuck on a bus across 2,000 miles of dustbowl roads with these passionate believers, Maxwell tackles some firmly held beliefs - could the Earth be only 6,000 years old, and did humans and T-Rex really live side by side? It's a bumpy ride as he's confronted with some lively debates along the way, but by the end could he possibly win over any of these believers with what he regards as hard scientific fact?

224 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:53:58pm

re: #210 Stanghazi

They said woman #2 was not family, but worked at the CIA. (What I recall reading in Wapo today.)

Just like at first we heard this was about unauthorized access to Petraeus' email and possibly national secrets. Now we find out it was only emails sent by Broadwell that triggered the investigation.

I'm sticking by my bet, there is no story here except that after Petraeus stopped seeing her Broadwell flipped out and started emailing his wife.

But...

Suppose your right and it was another woman at the CIA, all that might mean is that Broadwell was jealous of her and thought Petraeus had stopped seeing her to be with this other woman. It doesn't mean it was in any way true, how many times have we all heard stories like this in the press? (usually because they end with someone getting hurt)

225 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:54:06pm

re: #215 Gus

Where's KT?

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It's nice to see them doing something positive for a change.

226 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:54:17pm

re: #215 Gus

Where's KT?

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Occupy Sandy is doing so much good. Written up in NYT today, I posted link way above.

227 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:55:13pm

Glad Ms. Geller is here to explain reality to the rest of us.

//

228 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:57:54pm
229 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 2:59:14pm

I Paged it for posterity:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

230 gwangung  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:01:38pm

re: #228 Gus

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And a group that was SOLIDLY Republican before 9/11/01.

231 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:04:37pm

re: #224 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Suppose your right and it was another woman at the CIA, all that might mean is that Broadwell was jealous of her and thought Petraeus had stopped seeing her to be with this other woman. It doesn't mean it was in any way true, how many times have we all heard stories like this in the press? (usually because they end with someone getting hurt)

A person having a supposedly secret affair with another person frequently seems to suspect that person of having another secret affair with someone else.

I wonder why that is? Trust issues?

/

232 Usually refered to as anyways  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:04:37pm

Scientists unlock nature's hydrogen secrets

Two Canberra scientists believe they have made a major breakthrough in how to best produce hydrogen which can be used as a clean and renewable energy source.

Professors Rob Stranger and Ron Pace from the Research School of Chemistry at the Australian National University (ANU) have used computer modelling to reveal the molecular structure of the photosynthesis reaction site in plants.

Professor Pace says the discovery takes a leaf out of nature's handbook, for the first time identifying the specific water molecules in a plant's photosystem that are converted into oxygen.

"Nature very early on in the evolutionary process on Earth figured out how to do this particular piece of chemistry with close to 100 per cent efficiency," he said.

Professor Stranger says the work offers clues as to how scientists can create alternative fuel.

"The part of the plant's photosystem that is important to this process is called the oxygen-evolving-complex (OEC)," he said.

"If we can steal nature's secrets and understand how the OEC performs its chemistry, then we can learn to make hydrogen much more efficiently, and hydrogen is the fuel for a totally renewable fuel future."
Audio: Scientists unlock secrets to photosynthesis (PM)

Professor Pace says that while scientists know the OEC contains four manganese atoms and a calcium atom, they have been trying for decades to determine the exact structure of the system and how it works.

"Our work confirms the OEC structure and means researchers can progress new fuel developments based on photosynthesis," he said.

More...

233 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:04:46pm

re: #228 Gus

Fox is amazed that 85% of Muslims voted against the party that constantly refers to them as terrorists.

So why is it that Muslims support only Democrats? Is it possibly because they are getting something in return? Some people say that Democrats are too friendly towards Muslims. Some people even say that the Democrats are going to help them take over the country, institute sharia law, and murder you all in your beds. Could any of this be true? You decide, we are just asking the questions here...

///

234 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:05:21pm
235 Tumulus11  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:07:17pm
'The collapse of the impressive career of CIA Director David H. Petraeus was triggered when a woman with whom he was having an affair sent threatening e-mails to another woman close to him, according to three senior law enforcement officials with knowledge of the episode.

The recipient of the e-mails was so frightened that she went to the FBI for protection and help tracking down the sender, according to the officials. The FBI investigation traced the threats to Paula Broadwell, a former military officer and a Petraeus biographer, and uncovered explicit e-mails between Broadwell and Petraeus, the officials said.

When Petraeus’s name surfaced, FBI investigators were concerned that the CIA director’s personal e-mail account had been hacked and that national security had been threatened. [ ... ]

The identity of the woman who received the e-mails was not disclosed, and the nature of her relationship with Petraeus is unknown. The officials said the woman did not work at the CIA and was not Petraeus’s wife, Holly. The law enforcement officials said the e-mails indicated that Broadwell perceived the other woman as a threat to her relationship with Petraeus.'
// Washington Post.

. There was a third person involved and I'm guessing that it's just a matter of time until her name is made public.

236 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:07:19pm

re: #228 Gus

Love it.

The supreme irony is that most Muslims could be pegged as social conservatives by any metric. In the main, they are pro-life, anti-gay rights, and have no problems with public displays of religion; and more than a few are (Old-Earth) Creationists. I guess I'm an exception to all that, but hey, that's just me. I believe in science, equality, and freedom of conscience. In any event, one would think that Muslims are natural GOP voters.

Of course, when the GOP demonizes them and many on the right voice openly exterminationist sentiments toward Muslims, it sort of alienates Muslims. Think the RWNJ's will realize this? Nah........never in a million years.

237 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:09:12pm

re: #234 Varek Raith

GOP Outreach!

Please proceed...

238 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:09:53pm

re: #234 Varek Raith

GOP Outreach!

The wonderful thing is - that all these very old white men (look at their sagging skins and poorly dyed hair) look the part they are playing!

If I were producing a movie, I'd have a hard time casting the racist old white man character than to simply hire Thomas, Rove, or one of the man Fox hosts/guests.

239 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:10:39pm

Cal Thomas looks a little like R.K. Maroon from Who Framed Roger Rabbit...

240 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:11:10pm

re: #235 Tumulus11

This has all the makings of a classic b&w film noir, let's title it The Third Woman.

241 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:12:08pm

I was wishfully thinking that the GOP would learn the right lesson from getting their asses kicked.
Seems like they won't.

242 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:13:20pm

re: #240 freetoken

This has all the makings of a classic b&w film noir, let's title it The Third Woman.

Except instead of the denouement occurring in a sewer, it could occur at FOX News headquarters.

243 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:13:44pm

re: #241 Varek Raith

I was wishfully thinking that the GOP would learn the right lesson from getting their asses kicked.
Seems like they won't.

Just keep kicking.

244 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:15:28pm

We also need to federalize the election process.
Too many states have shown they don't know what the fuck they are doing.
Some actively suppressing voters.

245 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:18:59pm

re: #241 Varek Raith

I was wishfully thinking that the GOP would learn the right lesson from getting their asses kicked.
Seems like they won't.

it would involve that difficult 'admitting you were wrong' thing

246 Tumulus11  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:19:50pm

. Regarding the other other woman:

''I introduced myself to then Lieutenant General Petraeus and told him about my research interests; he gave me his card and offered to put me in touch with other researchers and service members working on the same issues."
Broadwell said this was not a one-off as he often "does a lot of mentoring".
// The Daily Telegraph.

. Apparently so.

247 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:21:05pm

re: #246 Tumulus11

Hot, sweaty mentoring.

248 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:22:25pm

re: #234 Varek Raith

GOP Outreach!

The RW journalists only have income because stupid people keep supporting them. Stupid people keep supporting them only because the RW journalists say what they want to hear. This can only lead to a slow spiral down the toilet bowl for both.

249 Charles Johnson  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:23:31pm

Show Users now has avatars. And comment search is back, unless it starts jamming up again in which case I'll need to tweak it some more.

250 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:23:55pm

re: #243 wrenchwench

Just keep kicking.

If the Dems could do well in the midterms that would be all she wrote I think, they are so used to trampling Dems in midterm elections that it would be another big shock to them.

251 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:28:40pm

Ohh, look at all the pretty icons... :)

That will be helpful as often as some people around here change their names. ;)

252 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:32:34pm

re: #236 Dr Lizardo

Same here. We got a third Muslim? Welcome you!

253 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:34:51pm
254 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:44:10pm

re: #18 allegro

When did Petraeus become a Democrat?

He did not resign from military life or public service when Obama became CiC. Hence: Democrat.

Pam isn't into this subtle shit.

255 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:45:53pm

re: #254 SanFranciscoZionist

He did not resign from military life or public service when Obama became CiC. Hence: Democrat.

Pam isn't into this subtle shit.

Kind of like the way Huntsman was slapped around by Mitt by having dared to be a part of the Obama admin.

256 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:46:55pm

So this is a thing now:

257 b_Snark  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:47:11pm

re: #252 ProGunLiberal

Same here. We got a third Muslim? Welcome you!

We have a little bit of everything here I think.

258 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:48:20pm

re: #256 Lidane

So this is a thing now:

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I have to refresh my memory, but I don't remember him saying anything batshit crazy foreign-policy wise in the primaries. I might be able to get behind this.

259 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:48:36pm

re: #256 Lidane

He would be an excellent choice.

260 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:49:50pm

re: #256 Lidane

So this is a thing now:

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Might be a good choice, but if nothing else, it should drive the wingnuts into hysterics.

261 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:50:17pm

re: #260 Targetpractice

Might be a good choice, but if nothing else, it should drive the wingnuts into hysterics.

Obama does it for the lulz.

262 Killgore Trout  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:50:21pm

re: #256 Lidane

So this is a thing now:

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Hmmm...Might be interesting to see which party's nomination he might seek if he runs again.

263 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:51:11pm

re: #256 Lidane

So this is a thing now:

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I also want to see the Republicans try to block that nomination.

264 CuriousLurker  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:51:55pm

re: #256 Lidane

So this is a thing now:

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Nah, I think we should get Gov. Christie for that what with all his diplomatic skills. ///

265 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:51:57pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

Hmmm...Might be interesting to see which party's nomination he might seek if he runs again.

I doubt he'd try to switch parties. On domestic policy he's squarely with the right.

266 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:52:03pm

re: #50 Varek Raith

Fox News Guest Says Obama Scared Voters With “Rape Camps”
Geez, they just can't stop themselves from talking about rape.

No. I was worried about any number of things with a Romney election. Rape camps were not one of them, luckily. I do not think anyone in the Obama campaign said anything that would make me think any different, either.

267 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:53:02pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

It's also possible this is just the tip of the iceberg. Maybe multiple affairs, sexual harrasment, etc. It's also possible that others at the CIA knew what was going on. There might be a bit of housecleaning to do.

Oh God, I do hope not.

268 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:53:13pm

re: #266 SanFranciscoZionist

No. I was worried about any number of things with a Romney election. Rape camps were not one of them, luckily. I do not think anyone in the Obama campaign said anything that would make me think any different, either.

Of course you weren't worried. Your body would just shut that whole thing down.

269 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:53:45pm

re: #68 Gretchen G.Tiger

The embassy wasn't correctly guarded. Hillary took responsibility, when I guess some people think it should have gone to the top. She did what Eric Holder refuses to do in Fast and Furious. She protected the Oval Office.

The Secretary of State is the top, as far as something like this is concerned.

270 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:53:47pm

re: #262 Killgore Trout

If he runs again, he'll run as a Republican. He'll also lose again, since the way the wingnuts have reacted to another Obama term is by doubling down on the fail. They're going to want a True Believer, not another rich Mormon.

271 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:54:51pm

re: #270 Lidane

If he runs again, he'll run as a Republican. He'll also lose again, since the way the wingnuts have reacted to another Obama term is by doubling down on the fail. They're going to want a True Believer, not another rich Mormon.

Huckabee 2016?

272 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:55:31pm

re: #271 Four More Tears

Huckabee 2016?

My money's on Santorum, since he was the runner up this time around and would be next in line in the GOP succession.

273 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:56:38pm

re: #256 Lidane

Ooh, I can hear all the conspiracy theories from here.

Huntsman is an Obama lackey who tried to infiltrate the Republican party!!!1

274 CuriousLurker  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 3:59:49pm

re: #98 Dr Lizardo

Yes. Lizards, are you prepared for the shocking truth of the events to come?

It is I....I! Jubair Ali al-Jazar al-Sayed who shall be named as the head of the CIA, and this Thanksgiving Day, my plan shall come to fruition! I shall have my super secret stealth jihad halal Butterball turkeys and halal Campbell's Soup delivered to households great and small throughout America, all filled with secret Muslim incantations! And then, when you foolish kuffar have imbibed and eaten your fill of it's tender, jihadi goodness, at 21:00 EST, I shall stand facing toward the sacred Kabaa in Mecca in my office, and recite, "La ilaha ilallah, Muhammadun Rasulluhlah!" and behold! You shall all be converted instantly to Islam! Then I shall say, "Bismillah ar-Rahman ar-Rahim" and recite Surah Fatiha, and President Obama shall be magically transformed into the Mahdi, and America at that moment will be forever known as the United Islamic States of the Caliphate!

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

Seriously.....this woman needs some serious help. She's a nut.

*giggle* Its kinda fun being "It" sometimes 'cause you get to make up all kinds of crazy stuff.

275 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 4:01:53pm
276 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 4:02:01pm
277 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 4:02:55pm

re: #219 Mich-again

Yeah, a couple weeks here on a work assignment at a factory. And I've had some interesting conversations with the workers here. For some reason they seem surprised when I tell them I voted for Obama.

Hmm, they believe the Obama hate? Interesting.

My Mom was born in Durban.

Have a great time.

278 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 4:03:07pm

re: #253 Gretchen G.Tiger

Hey Pam!

Te Presebt? WTF is that? :)

279 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 4:03:13pm

re: #276 Four More Tears

Of course they don't. Why would members of the House Science Committee believe in science?

280 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 4:04:40pm

re: #231 wrenchwench

A person having a supposedly secret affair with another person frequently seems to suspect that person of having another secret affair with someone else.

I wonder why that is? Trust issues?

/

Don't cheat with a cheater, they'll cheat. And you will be SHOCKED, shocked.

281 Mich-again  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 4:06:40pm

re: #277 Stanghazi

Hmm, they believe the Obama hate? Interesting.

I think it was that they assumed all the white people voted for Romney and vicey versa

282 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 4:08:25pm

re: #246 Tumulus11

. Regarding the other other woman:

. Apparently so.

[Link: gawker.com...]

Did Broadwell's husband write the NYT this summer?

283 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 4:10:44pm

re: #256 Lidane

So this is a thing now:

[Embedded content]

Cool!

284 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 4:10:53pm
285 Stanghazi  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 4:15:06pm

re: #281 Mich-again

I think it was that they assumed all the white people voted for Romney and vicey versa

Wow. So divided. Well, you need to keep talking.

286 BongCrodny  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 4:39:30pm

re: #256 Lidane

So this is a thing now:

[Embedded content]

I think if Huntsman took the job, he'd eventually switch parties. If it's offered and he says no, he'll likely run as a Republican in 2016.

287 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 4:40:38pm

re: #252 ProGunLiberal

Why, thank you. Salaam.

288 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 4:48:04pm

re: #274 CuriousLurker

Yes, being "it" has it's advantages from time to time. The truly humorous part of that is that if Pammy read that post, she'd probably think I was being serious, and she'd plaster it all over her website, claiming it as "definitive proof of teh creeping sharia!" or some such nonsense.

I should've added at the end of my post 98,

"Will you be among those miserable souls whose testimony about that fateful day we will hear? Will you survive.......Plan 9 From Istanbul?!"

289 Bubblehead II  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 4:50:37pm

Evening Lizards. Late to the show. That thing called work that us 47% seem to want to avoid so we can suck at the Governments teat and all.

How about this for a conspiracy theory?

Gen. Petraeus, (Head of the C.I.A.) couldn't keep his dick in his pants and was found/sold out (compromised). Someone tried to take advantage of it and attempted to blackmail him. Doing the only honorable thing he could do in this situation, he let his superiors know what was going on and stepped down.

He can still be called before a Senate panel for questioning.

But as a civilian/non governmental entity, he has more wiggle room to tell the Star Chamber Squad to shove it up their ass.

290 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 4:56:49pm

re: #288 Dr Lizardo

Yes, being "it" has it's advantages from time to time. The truly humorous part of that is that if Pammy read that post, she'd probably think I was being serious, and she'd plaster it all over her website, claiming it as "definitive proof of teh creeping sharia!" or some such nonsense.

I should've added at the end of my post 98,

"Will you be among those miserable souls whose testimony about that fateful day we will hear? Will you survive.......Plan 9 From Istanbul?!"

291 Bubblehead II  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 5:02:37pm

re: #98 Dr Lizardo

"Seriously.....this woman needs some serious help. She's a nut."

No, She isn't nuts. She knows just who her (and Robert's) audience are and she plays them very well. Discount her and those who have the same mindset at your own risk. I don't

292 Bubblehead II  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 5:07:25pm

Moving Upstairs to the (soon to be) late night dead thread.

293 Freedom Examiner  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 5:10:18pm

Another Looney Lib. What a surprise!

294 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 5:11:26pm

Communism.

295 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 5:11:50pm

re: #293 Freedom Examiner

Another Looney Lib. What a surprise!

Que?

296 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 5:11:54pm

Socialism.

297 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 5:12:59pm

re: #293 Freedom Examiner

Another Looney Lib. What a surprise!

Derp.

Obama won! Woohoo! Checkmate baby!

Image: Obama-America.jpg

298 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 5:13:52pm

re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist
I always liked TMBG. That brings back some memories. Thanks.

299 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 5:17:21pm

re: #293 Freedom Examiner

Another Looney Lib. What a surprise!

Are you a proctologist?

300 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 5:17:23pm

re: #291 Bubblehead II

"Seriously.....this woman needs some serious help. She's a nut."

No, She isn't nuts. She knows just who her (and Robert's) audience are and she plays them very well. Discount her and those who have the same mindset at your own risk. I don't

Even though I call her a "nut", I don't discount her at all. In my view, both her and Spencer are dangerous; not themselves, personally, but what they can inspire in their acolytes. I think they can easily motivate their audience to violence; they're usually running at just a hair below lynch-mob intensity.

301 wrenchwench  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 5:20:16pm

re: #295 Obdicut

Que?

He's announcing his arrival.

302 Dr Lizardo  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 5:21:00pm

Well, goodnight Lizards. See you all tomorrow, insha'Allah.

303 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 5:22:10pm

re: #293 Freedom Examiner

Another Looney Lib. What a surprise!

304 Ayeless in Ghazi  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 5:46:05pm

re: #293 Freedom Examiner

Another Looney Lib. What a surprise!

Welcome, hatchtard!

305 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 6:40:44pm

re: #303 Gus

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Wow - seriously, I would like for them to do a background piece on their photography staff. Like 'em or don't, that's a great photo IMO.

306 labman57  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:42:36pm

It's true. I read about it at www.everything_is_a_liberal_conspiracy.com

307 CriticalDragon1177  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:53:53pm

Charles Johnson,

Geller is apparently bigoted against Democrats as well as Muslims. As if no one in the Democratic party had a problem with people cheating on their wives.

308 wheat-dogghazi  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 3:30:03am

re: #242 The Questionable Timing of a Flea

Same thing

309 geosherman  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 7:13:16pm

#108
Thank you for posting about Occupy Wall Street and their wedding registry! We had been looking for a way to help and this looks to be one of the better ways to go. I purchased some flame gel cans.


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