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Wayfaring Stranger by Johnny Cash
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Town of Ghosts

Bodie is by far the best preserved ghost town in the United States.

Gold was discovered back in 1859 by William S Bodey and at its apex, the town had a population of 10,000 residents through the 1880’s. Bodie was replete with the makings of old west folklore; gunfighters, saloons, miners, gambling halls and prostitutes, a rough place through and through. But the town’s success didn’t last and faded from ‘glory’ prior to World War I and was finally down for the count during WWII once all mining operations were halted due to the war effort. It was effectively abandoned with many of the structures retaining the inhabitants belongings because the roads out were toll and weight based; many people simply decided to leave their belongings behind to avoid large fees so the ghost town was born.

Today, after two fires, around 100 structures remain, (5% of the original town) some of which are filled with furniture, lined and matted with layer up on layer of rotting and sagging wallpaper. Some buildings are seemingly untouched time-capsules to the once treacherous lives of the miners and other inhabitants of the town. Kids toys sitting by the window, a ball peen hammer on the ground, strewn gears in a machine shop, and rusted hangers hanging in a closet.

Walking the grounds, particularly the cemetery, I was overcome with a sense of foreboding and the gentle but incessant march of time continuing on. The once important lives buried under a wood tombstone were all but forgotten and those now nameless people who were loved or loved others, brothers, fathers, sisters and mothers, almost never existed unless you look at the uneven ground at a certain angle in the perfect light.

We spent a week shooting with access to some of the interiors of the buildings, and the ability to shoot at night. Because it is located in the Sierra Neveda and its unique geography and high elevation, the weather was quite extreme and could change in a matter of minutes; most nights were very cold and the temperature often sat in the low teens and were mixed with snow, wind, and icey rain.

Bodie is kept in a state of “arrested decay” and hangs (sometimes literally) in a sort of desolated limbo, as the dry lumber, rusted nails, and worn masonry, slowly give into the sands of time.

Special Thanks to Ranger Tom Gunther. Thank you for your help!!!

Thanks to Matthews MSE, (Tyler, Bob, Ed) for helping me with some last minute requests and their use of the DC Slider and dolly track.

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412 comments

1 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 6:54:52pm

Giving me Fallout: NV flashbacks.

2 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 6:58:36pm

re: #1 Four More Tears

Giving me Fallout: NV flashbacks.

Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

3 dragonfire1981  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:03:08pm

THANK YOU!!

I played a version of the Oregon Trail computer game quite a bit when I was teenager and one of the trail stops played a wonderful version of this song but I could never figure out what the song was called. It was Wayfaring Stranger. A quick Google search of Oregon Trail and Wayfaring led me to the right music:

I've spent YEARS trying to figure that one out.

Also, awesome video. I love ghost towns and abandoned places.

4 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:03:52pm

Chernobyl still by far the creepiest ghost town ever.

100 years from now, what will NYC look like?

Like this?

5 Vicious Babushka  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:06:46pm

MORE GNASHING

Comparison of Romney, Obama PAC campaign spending. (Actual, you know, numbers n shit)

6 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:08:43pm

re: #5 Vicious Babushka

MORE GNASHING

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Comparison of Romney, Obama PAC campaign spending. (Actual, you know, numbers n shit)

Is that Republican numbers and shit to make you feel better or what?

//

7 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:15:06pm

More accurately...

Is this just numbers n shit that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better, or is this real?

8 Kragar  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:19:27pm

re: #2 Targetpractice

Patrolling the Mojave almost makes you wish for a nuclear winter.

Ave, true to Caesar

9 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:21:52pm

re: #7 Gus

More accurately...

Is this just numbers n shit that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better, or is this real?

Karl Rove is going to get hit with that Megyn Kelly one-liner for years. You wouldn't expect it out of a Fox News host, but she nailed him perfectly on that one, going so far as to visit FNC's numbers crunchers just to show why Ohio had been called.

10 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:21:55pm

re: #8 Kragar

Ave, true to Caesar

I could take care of that robot problem for you. Just sayin'.

11 erik_t  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:27:01pm

Well, this is really happening. I have opened my windows at the ERIK_T SECRET INTERSTELLAR MIDWEST MOONBASE. In November. It's in the high 60s right now.

Forecast high Monday is in the mid-30s.

Increasingly violently variable weather, how does it work?

12 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:30:22pm

re: #11 erik_t

Well, this is really happening. I have opened my windows at the ERIK_T SECRET INTERSTELLAR MIDWEST MOONBASE. In November. It's in the high 60s right now.

Forecast high Monday is in the mid-30s.

Increasingly violently variable weather, how does it work?

If you open the windows of a moonbase, you get sucked out into the vacuum and die horribly.

///

13 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:30:55pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

If you open the windows of a moonbase, you get sucked out into the vacuum and die horribly.

///

Moondome.

14 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:35:55pm

Speaking of ghost towns :

Vatican vows to fight gay marriage after gains in U.S., Europe

The Vatican, reacting to strong gains for gay marriage in the United States and Europe, on Saturday pledged never to stop fighting attempts to "erase" the privileged role of heterosexual marriage, which it called it "an achievement of civilisation".

[...]

They mean "never" as in "forever and ever".

15 Kragar  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:36:15pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

I could take care of that robot problem for you. Just sayin'.

Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit.

16 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:36:18pm
17 Kragar  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:37:10pm

re: #14 freetoken

Speaking of ghost towns :

Vatican vows to fight gay marriage after gains in U.S., Europe

They mean "never" as in "forever and ever".

You know who else never stopped fighting for what he believed in?

Hitler.

18 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:38:40pm
19 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:39:18pm

re: #17 Kragar

You know who else never stopped fighting for what he believed in?

Hitler.

So did FDR. That's a Godwin's Law violation, clear as day.

20 jaunte  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:39:52pm

re: #5 Vicious Babushka

MORE GNASHING

[Embedded content]

Comparison of Romney, Obama PAC campaign spending. (Actual, you know, numbers n shit)

Restore Our Future
$142,645,946
90% spent on attack ads
33% of all Rep. spending

21 Kragar  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:40:27pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

So did FDR. That's a Godwin's Law violation, clear as day.

Saying you'll never stop fighting for what you believe in merely means you'll never accept any information that proves you're wrong.

22 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:40:58pm

re: #16 Gus

About That “Bump in the Road

Memories.

This one goes out to all the wingnut wizard poll-analysts who got it so wrong:

23 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:42:22pm

re: #22 freetoken

This one goes out to all the wingnut wizard poll-analysts who got it so wrong:

[Embedded content]

:D

Romney lost.

Cats.

The musical.

24 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:42:38pm

re: #21 Kragar

Saying you'll never stop fighting for what you believe in merely means you'll never accept any information that proves you're wrong.

Correct. But bringing Hitler into it like that is not a thing to do. Pope Benedict is not like Hitler, and the Jesuits are not like the Waffen SS. Using the Nazi analogy like that is discussion poison.

25 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:42:49pm

re: #15 Kragar

Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit.

Just so you know, my covert bandaging skills are a bit rusty.

26 Kragar  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:43:26pm

Texas GOP official: state should secede from ‘maggots’ who reelected Obama

As first reported by the Texas Observer and TFN Insider, Peter Morrison, treasurer of the Hardin County Republican Party, wrote in the newsletter he publishes that Obama’s reelection proved the nation is too big and encompasses too many divergent views to be controlled by the federal government. In a vitriolic screed labeling Democrats, “baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists,” Morrison laid out his reasoning for secession.

“Texas was once its own country, and many Texans already think in nationalist terms about their state,” he wrote.

“Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government?,” he continued. “Let each go her own way in peace, sign a free trade agreement among the states and we can avoid this gut-wrenching spectacle every four years.”

To support his case, Morrison cited General Robert E. Lee and Confederate soldiers who refused to accept Union rule following the Civil War.

“Like the remainder of Lee’s army after Gettysburg, it is our duty to keep fighting to the bitter end, in hopes that Providence might shine upon our cause before it is too late,” he wrote. ”We must contest every single inch of ground and delay the baby-murdering, tax-raising socialists at every opportunity. But in due time, the maggots will have eaten every morsel of flesh off of the rotting corpse of the Republic, and therein lies our opportunity.”

Morrison also explained why Mitt Romney lost the election last week, placing the blame partially on minorities whom he claims are the real racists in America.

27 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:43:29pm

re: #15 Kragar

Well butter my butt and call me a biscuit.

LOL! Can I call you an English Muffin, instead?

28 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:44:00pm

re: #22 freetoken

This one goes out to all the wingnut wizard poll-analysts who got it so wrong:

[Embedded content]

Interestingly, OJ Simpson was seen singing that song more than once during his murder trial.

29 Kragar  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:44:34pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

Correct. But bringing Hitler into it like that is not a thing to do. Pope Benedict is not like Hitler, and the Jesuits are not like the Waffen SS. Using the Nazi analogy like that is discussion poison.

There is no discussion. They're wrong.

30 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:45:21pm
31 Randall Gross  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:45:28pm

My favorite version of Wayfaring Stranger was a very joyous reggae version done back in the 70's, I had a copy of it on tape but lost it. Now I can't recall the artist.... I wish I could find that again.

32 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:45:57pm

re: #29 Kragar

There is no discussion. They're wrong.

So was your analogy.

33 jaunte  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:47:07pm

re: #26 Kragar

Speaking for most Texans, we would encourage Hardin county to secede.

34 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:47:15pm

re: #23 Gus

:D

Romney lost.

Cats.

The musical.

Yes, but which candidate was chosen for the new Jellicle Life?

35 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:47:26pm

re: #18 Four More Tears

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Wut?

36 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:47:43pm

I feel great about the future. For America and my kids, my girl in particular. I told her health choices were secure for the next 4 years. I wish I could guarantee them for a longer amount of time, but I'm a realist.

37 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:47:59pm

re: #34 freetoken

Yes, but which candidate was chosen for the new Jellicle Life?

I had to Google it right meow.

38 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:48:36pm

Nice.

39 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:49:36pm

re: #38 Gus

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Nice.

220 parties occurring in Washington, at the moment.

40 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:49:55pm

Just got back from my evening dog walk. My feelings are hurt. Well, not hurt as in "boo hoo" but more in a "hrummph, fuck you" kinda way. There was this big party going on at the RV park pavilion at which I know most all attendees cuz I see them and talk to them most every day. Neither my friend or I were invited to join them on account of we are not owned by a man part of a couple so therefore are suspect not one of them.

Just... *huff*

41 Randall Gross  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:51:27pm

Actually since Ratzinger was an actual Nazi at one point, it's only a short hop from wrong if it is wrong.

42 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:52:32pm

re: #26 Kragar

Texas GOP official: state should secede from ‘maggots’ who reelected Obama

And another for Mr. Morrison, this one from Ronald Reagan's funeral:

43 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:53:08pm

Goodness has no sexuality.

44 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:53:20pm

Goodness has no gender.

45 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:53:42pm

re: #41 Randall Gross

Actually since Ratzinger was an actual Nazi at one point, it's only a short hop from wrong if it is wrong.

He was part of the Hitler Youth because it was mandatory. It wasn't his choice.

46 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:54:00pm

re: #18 Four More Tears

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Fleischer's an idiot. They got the planes from Russia and there were no missiles involved. The attempted shoot down was made using the Frogfoot's 30mm cannons.

47 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:54:08pm

Morality does not require God.

48 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:55:56pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

He was part of the Hitler Youth because it was mandatory. It wasn't his choice.

Shuffling around priests who like to fondle little boys was his choice if I recall correctly.

49 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:56:54pm

re: #48 Four More Tears

Not just his choice, I firmly believe he was doing what the church wanted him to do.

50 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:57:32pm

re: #49 Dancing along the light of day

Not just his choice, I firmly believe he was doing what the church wanted him to do.

A fish rots from the head on down.

51 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:57:38pm

re: #49 Dancing along the light of day

Not just his choice, I firmly believe he was doing what the church wanted him to do.

Oh I'm quite sure. Just following orders, perhaps? Just the way Jesus would've wanted...

52 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:58:10pm

re: #48 Four More Tears

Shuffling around priests who like to fondle little boys was his choice if I recall correctly.

You and your... facts.

53 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:58:10pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

Fleischer's an idiot. They got the planes from Russian and there were no missiles involved. The attempted shoot down was made using the Frogfoot's 30mm cannons.

Do you think they were really shooting to kill, though? The Iranians work pretty hard to train their pilots, so its quite possible they were firing the proverbial "shot across the nose" to try to get us to back our drones off.

54 palomino  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:58:41pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

Correct. But bringing Hitler into it like that is not a thing to do. Pope Benedict is not like Hitler, and the Jesuits are not like the Waffen SS. Using the Nazi analogy like that is discussion poison.

I don't think the Godwin rule proscribes any mention of Hitler if it's done in a clearly sarcastic way.

55 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:59:22pm

re: #40 allegro

Sorry, maybe they're conservatives having a "cheer ourselves up" party.

56 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 7:59:56pm

re: #54 palomino

I don't think the Godwin rule proscribes any mention of Hitler if it's done in a clearly sarcastic way.

57 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:01:44pm
58 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:02:13pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

Do you think they were really shooting to kill, though? The Iranians work pretty hard to train their pilots, so its quite possible they were firing the proverbial "shot across the nose" to try to get us to back our drones off.

If so that's pretty stupid. With no on board pilot to scare all they did was demonstrate incompetence.

59 Targetpractice  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:03:32pm

re: #57 Gus

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Oh my!

60 jaunte  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:03:37pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

I don't think they would see much of a downside to shooting down a drone.

61 BongCrodny  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:03:41pm

re: #14 freetoken

Speaking of ghost towns :

Vatican vows to fight gay marriage after gains in U.S., Europe

The Vatican, reacting to strong gains for gay marriage in the United States and Europe, on Saturday pledged never to stop fighting attempts to "erase" the privileged role of heterosexual marriage, which it called it "an achievement of civilisation".

They mean "never" as in "forever and ever".

So multiple marriages must be even more of an achievement, yes?

62 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:03:53pm

re: #55 prairiefire

Sorry, maybe they're conservatives having a "cheer ourselves up" party.

Heh. You may be more right than you know.

63 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:03:59pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

Do you think they were really shooting to kill, though? The Iranians work pretty hard to train their pilots, so its quite possible they were firing the proverbial "shot across the nose" to try to get us to back our drones off.

They probably shot across the bow and saw it leaving and said fuck it.

64 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:08:03pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

If so that's pretty stupid. With no on board pilot to scare all they did was demonstrate incompetence.

The point would be to show they could have shot it down had they wanted to. The show of force might not have had us as its primary intended audience, Frank. It could be aimed at boosting the morale of regime supporters or as warning to the Gulf states.

65 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:09:10pm

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

The point would be to show they could have shot it down had they wanted to. The show of force might not have had us as its primary intended audience, Frank. It could be aimed at boosting the morale of regime supporters or as warning to the Gulf states.

You know it's not uncommon to shoot down manned recon missions in these situations.

66 erik_t  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:11:29pm

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

The point would be to show they could have shot it down had they wanted to. The show of force might not have had us as its primary intended audience, Frank. It could be aimed at boosting the morale of regime supporters or as warning to the Gulf states.

Occam's Razor &c. Trying to look like you meant to try to shoot something down but didn't quite is up there with trying to shoot the gun out of the hand of the bad guy.

67 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:12:11pm

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

The point would be to show they could have shot it down had they wanted to. The show of force might not have had us as its primary intended audience, Frank. It could be aimed at boosting the morale of regime supporters or as warning to the Gulf states.

Too convoluted. The most obvious, likely answer is that Iranian pilots have no experience firing guns at targets equipped with ECM.

68 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:12:11pm

re: #58 goddamnedfrank

I'd not feel so certain from our distance. It could be hastily launched planes were not sighted in. Those were not really interceptors. But a predator flies a lot like a Cessna. Could be they wanted to show "they could' as in a shot across the bow.

69 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:12:58pm

re: #60 jaunte

What if that is just an attempt to see how it maneuvers and measure our response?

70 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:13:27pm

So much pecker wagging. Jeez.

71 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:14:11pm

re: #69 Daniel Ballard

What if that is just an attempt to see how it maneuvers and measure our response?

Why? There wouldn't be a response. Iran could have shot it down. We're not going to "respond" over something like that.

72 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:14:46pm

re: #68 Daniel Ballard

I'd not feel so certain from our distance. It could be hastily launched planes were not sighted in. Those were not really interceptors. But a predator flies a lot like a Cessna. Could be they wanted to show "they could' as in a shot across the bow.

Good point. SU-25 are ground attack birds, and their 30mm cannons were put in with 'cracking' our M2 Bradley in mind, not shooting down a drone.

73 jaunte  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:15:17pm

re: #69 Daniel Ballard

I think incompetence probably explains it. Ground attack aircraft, trying to strafe a slow drone, likely to miss.

74 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:15:26pm

OK. Guess they're in their own world.

75 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:15:50pm

re: #71 Gus

Why? There wouldn't be a response. Iran could have shot it down. We're not going to "respond" over something like that.

They might believe we would, and we've got ways to do so without a major escalation, if we wished to reply.

76 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:16:38pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

They might believe we would, and we've got ways to do so without a major escalation, if we wished to reply.

There wouldn't be a response.

77 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:17:29pm

re: #71 Gus

Brinkmanship, a millimeter at a time perhaps. Hey I'm not convinced, and feeling wary of assumptions. That's my point. We lack evidence

78 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:17:35pm

Recon missions are generally seen as acceptable losses. Happened in the Cold War numerous times. China shot down 5 U-2s.

79 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:18:10pm

re: #76 Gus

There wouldn't be a response.

Paranoid regime, Gus. We both might know that, but they might wrongly think otherwise.

80 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:18:21pm

re: #77 Daniel Ballard

Brinkmanship, a millimeter at a time perhaps. Hey I'm not convinced, and feeling wary of assumptions. That's my point. We lack evidence

Meh. Some UAV got its vertical stabilizer chopped up.

81 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:19:35pm

re: #79 Dark_Falcon

Paranoid regime, Gus. We both might know that, but they might wrongly think otherwise.

I think they already knew nothing would happen.

82 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:20:09pm

re: #76 Gus

There wouldn't be a response.

Exactly. There wasn't one when our last drone crash landed in Iran, and there were rumors (probably unlikely) that it'd been hacked by Russian military experts. If Iran downed it in their own airspace they'd be within their rights, just as Israel was recently with the drone it shot down.

83 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:21:26pm

re: #26 Kragar

Texas GOP official: state should secede from ‘maggots’ who reelected Obama

Morrison is the same anti-Semite who tried to get Texas House Speaker Joe Straus replaced because he's Jewish:

[Link: tfninsider.org...]

Fuck that guy. He can self-deport to Somalia or wherever else he wants to live. Texas deserves better.

84 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:22:40pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

Do you think they were really shooting to kill, though? The Iranians work pretty hard to train their pilots, so its quite possible they were firing the proverbial "shot across the nose" to try to get us to back our drones off.

Better training exercise -- actually shooting the drone down. That would have been more effective, don't you think?

85 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:23:14pm

re: #82 goddamnedfrank

Exactly. There wasn't one when our last drone crash landed in Iran, and there were rumors (probably unlikely) that it'd been hacked by Russian military experts. If Iran downed it in their own airspace they'd be within their rights, just as Israel was recently with the drone it shot down.

Yep. Really wasn't a significant event. It could have been worse if it was a manned mission that was shot down resulting in a loss of life. Instead, just one damaged UAV. Iran still doesn't have a nuclear bomb.

86 makeitstop  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:23:22pm

Re Texas secession...

They'd receive no federal money, and US military bases would be pulled from the state.

Does Texas have enough of an internal economy to sustain itself as a country of US dollars are suddenly withdrawn? Serious question, I really have no idea.

87 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:25:47pm

re: #86 makeitstopghazi

Re Texas secession...

They'd receive no federal money, and US military bases would be pulled from the state.

Does Texas have enough of an internal economy to sustain itself as a country of US dollars are suddenly withdrawn? Serious question, I really have no idea.

No idea offhand, but I want these same rabid wingnut dipshits calling for secession to tell me how they're going to handle the drug cartels coming across the border once the Border Patrol closes up shop along the Rio Grande and moves to the Red River.

88 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:25:54pm

re: #86 makeitstopghazi

Re Texas secession...

They'd receive no federal money, and US military bases would be pulled from the state.

Does Texas have enough of an internal economy to sustain itself as a country of US dollars are suddenly withdrawn? Serious question, I really have no idea.

I think within five years we'd be calling it West Somalia.

89 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:26:25pm

re: #85 Gus

As we touched on before-Damn glad it was a drone and not say... a navy helicopter. Shows the wisdom of drone patrols.

90 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:27:11pm

re: #88 Four More Tears

I think within five years we'd be calling it West Somalia.

Well, Houston would absolutely collapse on itself with all the energy companies relocating and NASA closing its doors.

Not to mention the sudden bankruptcies around the state when everyone realizes that their bank accounts and home equity are tied into American money, not Texan money.

91 jaunte  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:27:37pm

re: #86 makeitstopghazi

A large part of the Texas economy is defense contracting, and much of that would go away if the state seceded.

92 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:27:43pm

re: #86 makeitstopghazi

Re Texas secession...

They'd receive no federal money, and US military bases would be pulled from the state.

Does Texas have enough of an internal economy to sustain itself as a country of US dollars are suddenly withdrawn? Serious question, I really have no idea.

It's actually possible since Texas has it all in the resources department and then some.

Wise? No.

93 jaunte  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:29:10pm

re: #92 allegro

Suddenly we'd have a Texas income tax and the rabid secessionists would want to secede from Austin.

94 Tigger2  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:30:58pm

re: #86 makeitstopghazi

Re Texas secession...

They'd receive no federal money, and US military bases would be pulled from the state.

Does Texas have enough of an internal economy to sustain itself as a country of US dollars are suddenly withdrawn? Serious question, I really have no idea.

And if they hate us so much, why should we have a trade agreement with them.

95 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:31:23pm

re: #90 Lidane

Well, Houston would absolutely collapse on itself with all the energy companies relocating and NASA closing its doors.

Not to mention the sudden bankruptcies around the state when everyone realizes that their bank accounts and home equity are tied into American money, not Texan money.

The country is also dependent on Texas resources, including our seaports and refineries. It isn't all one way. Texas and the US have evolved together in a symbiotic relationship.

96 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:31:26pm

re: #93 jaunte

Suddenly we'd have a Texas income tax and the rabid secessionists would want to secede from Austin.

You mean they don't want that now?

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Honestly, these Republic of Texas pro-secessionist douchebags are more than welcome to leave Texas now. I don't care where they go, just go away.

97 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:31:58pm

re: #92 allegro

It's actually possible since Texas has it all in the resources department and then some.

Water.

98 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:33:11pm

Texas will never secede.

99 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:34:32pm
100 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:35:05pm

re: #92 allegro

It's actually possible since Texas has it all in the resources department and then some.

Wise? No.

Nope. Nowhere has it all. Not by a long shot. Not by a huge amount. In Texas's case, fertilizer and water.

101 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:35:21pm

re: #98 Gus

Texas will never secede.

We did it once and it didn't turn out so well.

Just because a bunch of ignorant motherfuckers can't handle having a black POTUS for another four years doesn't mean that the state itself wants to leave the union. We're not going anywhere. There are a lot more people here who disagree with these pro-secessionist dipshits than agree with them.

102 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:36:24pm

re: #101 Lidane

We did it once and it didn't turn out so well.

Just because a bunch of ignorant motherfuckers can't handle having a black POTUS for another four years doesn't mean that the state itself wants to leave the union. We're not going anywhere. There are a lot more people here who disagree with these pro-secessionist dipshits than agree with them.

There's a lot of good people in Texas. Over 40 percent voted for Obama.

103 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:36:43pm

"Paul Ryan is doing feats of strength in the drawing room. She thought you'd like to see."

"Well I'd like to see him carry Wisconsin!"

Not a great SNL skit, but it had its moments. Maybe the last time we get to see Sudeikis do Romney.

104 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:37:24pm

re: #102 Gus

There's a lot of good people in Texas. Over 40 percent voted for Obama.

If we can increase Hispanic turnout in Texas, it becomes Democratic in a few years.

105 Tigger2  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:37:56pm

re: #98 Gus

Texas will never secede.

I don't think to many take this serious, just fun to rag over. lol

106 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:38:17pm

re: #105 Tigger2

I don't think to many take this serious, just fun to rag over. lol

I know. I play with it too.

107 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:41:14pm

Just in case anyone tries to talk you into expensive cables.

108 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:46:11pm

re: #107 Four More Tears

Yep. You can buy cheap cables for less than $5 and they'll work just as well as the expensive name brands that cost $300.

109 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:47:17pm

re: #108 Lidane

Yep. You can buy cheap cables for less than $5 and they'll work just as well as the expensive name brands that cost $300.

Monoprice ftw.

110 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:48:19pm

re: #108 Lidane

Yep. You can buy cheap cables for less than $5 and they'll work just as well as the expensive name brands that cost $300.

Works for mascara, too.

111 makeitstop  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:49:43pm

re: #110 allegro

Works for mascara, too.

I tried hooking up my TV to the DVR with mascara. Didn't work.

112 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:51:05pm

re: #111 makeitstopghazi

I tried hooking up my TV to the DVR with mascara. Didn't work.

Ur doing it wrong.

113 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:54:34pm

i leave you kids alone for five minutes and you're putting maybelline on the circuit boards

114 Randall Gross  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 8:58:54pm

re: #108 Lidane

Yep. You can buy cheap cables for less than $5 and they'll work just as well as the expensive name brands that cost $300.

There is one distinction however: if you are buying one that does ethernet over HDMI twists per inch still matter.

115 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:03:21pm

re: #114 Randall Gross

There is one distinction however: if you are buying one that does ethernet over HDMI twists per inch still matter.

Is this more pecker wagging?

116 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:04:02pm

The Irish are complaining that Obama won, because Obama will force US companies to invest more in the US and send less capital overseas:


A Romney win would've been better for Irish

117 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:08:17pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

So did FDR. That's a Godwin's Law violation, clear as day.

ATTENTION, PEOPLE.

The Internet, by and large, obviously has no idea what Godwin's Law actually states, nor what its existence implies.

Simply, Godwin's Law asserts that as any internet argument grows longer in duration, the probability increases that one or more of the participants will be compared to personalities associated with Nazi Germany.

That's all.

So, if a scenario occurs in which a number of insane racist political partisans in, say, Mississippi, meet in a beer hall and incompetently attempt to overthrow the government and thereby all wind up in prison, IT IS NOT A VIOLATION OF GODWIN'S LAW to point out that it is somewhat reminiscent of the Munich Putsch of 1923.

Godwin's Law is not a trump card to be deployed whenever anyone compares modern-day events to Nazi Germany. It only predicts that people on the internet tend toward hyperbole.

118 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:09:14pm

re: #117 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Hyperbole much?
///

119 jaunte  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:10:29pm

re: #117 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

You know who else didn't like Godwin's Law?

120 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:11:27pm

re: #119 jaunte

You know who else didn't like Godwin's Law?

Fred Schwartz.

121 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:11:35pm

re: #110 allegro

Works for mascara, too.

Yeah, that too. I figured out that NYC and Rimmel makeup work just as well as the more expensive brands. The only thing I'll pay extra for is my foundation and powder because I finally found the right shades that work for me.

122 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:13:27pm

re: #121 Lidane

Yeah, that too. I figured out that NYC and Rimmelmakeup work just as well as the more expensive brands. The only thing I'll pay extra for is my foundation and powder because I finally found the right shades that work for me.

I totally am on board with this conversation. Foundation. Right. You build houses with it. Apparently it goes on the face too. Let's eyeline some shit. Am I a spring or a fall?

123 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:16:15pm

re: #122 Obdicut

I totally am on board with this conversation. Foundation. Right. You build hoses with it. Apparently it goes on the face too. Let's eyeline some shit. Am I a spring or a fall?

sans serif

124 Mattand  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:16:30pm

re: #119 jaunte

You know who else didn't like Godwin's Law?

re: #120 allegro

Fred Schwartz.

Also, his cranky neighbor, Hitler.

125 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:17:26pm

re: #121 Lidane

Yeah, that too. I figured out that NYC and Rimmelmakeup work just as well as the more expensive brands. The only thing I'll pay extra for is my foundation and powder because I finally found the right shades that work for me.

Being ultra-Caucasian (Irish green-eyed redhead), all cosmetic companies work for me. It is entitlement to end all entitlements.

126 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:17:29pm

re: #122 Obdicut

I totally am on board with this conversation. Foundation. Right. You build hoses with it. Apparently it goes on the face too. Let's eyeline some shit. Am I a spring or a fall?

Winter. We're totally putting jewel tones and black with everything up in here.

127 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:18:12pm

re: #122 Obdicut

I totally am on board with this conversation. Foundation. Right. You build hoses with it. Apparently it goes on the face too. Let's eyeline some shit. Am I a spring or a fall?

Definitely Fall. And I think you could really rock a smoky eye.

128 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:19:29pm

re: #119 jaunte

You know who else didn't like Godwin's Law?

Idiots who don't like to be called out on their BS.

129 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:20:58pm

re: #125 allegro

Being ultra-Caucasian (Irish green-eyed redhead), ...

FWIW, we now know that the category "caucasian" has no meaningful interpretation as far as organizing human descent.

130 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:22:02pm

re: #129 freetoken

FWIW, we now know that the category "caucasian" has no meaningful interpretation as far as organizing human descent.

Shhhhh, don't tell! You will totally harsh my entitlements.

131 Interesting Times  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:23:47pm

LOL "business experience" and "fiscal conservatism"

132 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:29:16pm

re: #122 Obdicut

You're a hottie, regardless of the season!

133 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:31:03pm

Mascara bo bara be line bo fera mascara!
Or something like that!

134 Obdicut  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:32:15pm

Alright. Time to fall asleep. Climbed a lot of stairs today.

Remember, guys, the lesson of Sandy. Your material possessions and your livelihood can get knocked out from under you. The world can spin crazy. Cultivate friends, it's good for the soul and prevents you from falling through the cracks. We need each other.

135 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:34:32pm

Mullah Mohler dips his sanctified toes into various wingnut pools:

Aftermath: Lessons from the 2012 Election

[...]

We are rightly and deeply concerned. We must pray that God will change President Obama’s heart on a host of issues, ranging from the sanctity of unborn life to the integrity of marriage. We must push back against his contraception mandate that tramples upon religious liberty. Given the trajectory of his first term in office, we are urgently concerned about a second term, knowing that the President will never again face the electorate.

[...]

Oh No! Who knows what evil the lame duck might accomplish!!!

Mohler is of course just writing BS, as he demonstrates by being too eager to count the votes:

As morning dawned, the election of 2012 looms as one of the closest in American history. At 2:00 a.m., only 240,000 votes out of more than 103 million cast separated President Obama and Gov. Mitt Romney. That is a margin of .3% and would rank the election as the third closest, falling behind the slim margins of the 1960 election between John F. Kennedy and Richard M. Nixon and the 1880 election between James Garfield and Winfield S. Hancock.

The margin in the Electoral College is significant, but the popular vote reveals a deeply divided nation. The nation is divided politically, but that divide points to a division at the level of worldview. [...]

Right now, Obama leads by over 3 million votes, and before it's all finished he'll probably have a couple of million more.

But Mohler isn't interested in waiting for the truth.

Though many Republicans will draw encouragement from the popular vote, the Electoral College now confronts the Republican Party as a massive problem. The map just does not add up for Republicans in terms of the present reality, much less the shape of the future. Put simply, the Republican Party cannot win unless it becomes the party of aspiration for younger Americans and Hispanic Americans. Otherwise, it will soon become a retirement community for aging conservatives. The party’s position on immigration is disastrous, and it is at odds with the party’s own values.

Hey, I have a secret for you Mullah - the GOP is already a retirement home.

136 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:37:12pm

re: #133 Dancing along the light of day

Mascara bo bara be line bo fera mascara!
Or something like that!

Image: Jim-From-Office-Shiver.gif

137 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:40:18pm

re: #135 freetoken

Hey, I have a secret for you Mullah - the GOP is already a retirement home.

Seriously. When you call a bunch of middle-aged guys in Dockers your "young guns", that's a problem.

The GOP needs new ideas and new blood otherwise they risk total irrelevance.

138 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:41:34pm

As expected, the Tea Partiers are taking out their wrath on Romney, claiming he was not wingnutty enough:

Tea party activists blame losses on Republican establishment

Angry tea party activists say Mitt Romney was too moderate and the GOP undermined 'true conservative' candidates.

139 jamesfirecat  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:42:41pm

re: #17 Kragar

You know who else never stopped fighting for what he believed in?

Hitler.

Really?

Because I'd call the part where he shot himself in head a pretty clear indication he was no longer interested in fighting for what he believed in.

140 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:43:46pm

?

141 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:44:44pm

Uh oh.

142 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:46:13pm

re: #140 Four More Tears

Gas explosion?

143 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:46:55pm

re: #137 Lidane

Seriously. When you call a bunch of middle-aged guys in Dockers your "young guns", that's a problem.

The GOP needs new ideas and new blood otherwise they risk total irrelevance.

The republican Party isn't likely to ever win the youth vote, reformed or not. Limited government and free markets aren't new or 'sexy' concepts. It takes a while for people to learn how important those things are.

144 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:47:05pm
145 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:48:22pm

re: #135 freetoken

We must push back against his contraception mandate that tramples upon religious liberty.

Somehow only the "liberty" of male authoritarians is in question. Funny how that works.

146 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:48:37pm

re: #142 freetoken

Gas explosion?

Looks like it.

147 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:49:01pm

re: #129 freetoken

FWIW, we now know that the category "caucasian" has no meaningful interpretation as far as organizing human descent.

I'm six shades of white.

148 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:49:40pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

The republican Party isn't likely to ever win the youth vote, reformed or not. Limited government and free markets aren't new or 'sexy' concepts. It takes a while for people to learn how important those things are.

Jesus, you are still buying this crap?

149 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:49:55pm

re: #144 Four More Tears

[Embedded content]

For Sale: Not anymore.

150 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:51:01pm

re: #148 allegro

Jesus, you are still buying this crap?

I might ask you the same question.

151 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:51:07pm

re: #149 dragonath

For Sale: Not anymore.

People are reporting having felt it 16 miles away.

152 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:52:18pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

I might ask you the same question.

Then why does Ron Paul have a strong youth following. (If you say weed, that's still covered under free market :P )

153 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:52:22pm

re: #138 freetoken

As expected, the Tea Partiers are taking out their wrath on Romney, claiming he was not wingnutty enough:

Tea party activists blame losses on Republican establishment

Although the small-government, fiscal-responsibility principles of the tea party

please - it hurts me to laugh that much

154 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:53:10pm

It seems all too common that every fall once cold weather hits and people turn on gas heaters, somewhere there is a major fire or explosion.

I remember growing up how we had one central space furnace, and how it was checked every year for leaks, though with the the trace of hydrogen sulfide in the gas mixture it was very easy to smell a leak.

155 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:53:53pm

Rhianna on SNL

156 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:54:10pm

re: #154 freetoken

It seems all too common that every fall once cold weather hits and people turn on gas heaters, somewhere there is a major fire or explosion.

I remember growing up how we had one central space furnace, and how it was checked every year for leaks, though with the the trace of hydrogen sulfide in the gas mixture it was very easy to smell a leak.

Aging infrastructure.

157 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:55:18pm

re: #152 Four More Tears

Then why does Ron Paul have a strong youth following. (If you say weed, that's still covered under free market :P )

His brand of non-interventionism and domestic Libertarianism appeals to some young people, though it must be noted that most of them do not know of his racist ties.

158 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:55:58pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

The republican Party isn't likely to ever win the youth vote, reformed or not. Limited government and free markets aren't new or 'sexy' concepts. It takes a while for people to learn how important those things are.

the gop believes in limited government except for women, illegal aliens, the 4th amendment, what you smoke and who you marry, and the list keeps on growing longer

as for free markets, are you suggesting that democrats don't believe in them?

there's what the tea party and the gop profess to believe, what they accuse the democratic party of believing, and other the other hand there's actual policies and proposed laws. take you pick but you can't have both

159 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:56:06pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

The republican Party isn't likely to ever win the youth vote, reformed or not. Limited government and free markets aren't new or 'sexy' concepts. It takes a while for people to learn how important those things are.

I'll keep that in mind next time I see all those geezers voting to keep government out of medicare.

160 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:56:16pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

I might ask you the same question.

Really? I can ask that question based on reality. Limited government isn't interested in how I use my womb or who I choose to love. Free markets aren't weighted towards the rich to screw the poor. This is the foundation of today's GOP.

There it is.

161 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:56:27pm

re: #156 Four More Tears

Aging infrastructure.

Or just a plain lackadaisical approach to a dangerous but very common product.

I guess we'll know once the fire is investigated what caused it.

162 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:57:28pm

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

I might ask you the same question.

It has nothing to do with limited government or free markets. Your party if filled with hypocritical, lying bigots.

163 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:58:06pm

re: #161 freetoken

Or just a plain lackadaisical approach to a dangerous but very common product.

I guess we'll know once the fire is investigated what caused it.

Yeah, I'm just kinda throwin' that out there....

164 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 9:58:44pm

Yikes.

165 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:01:12pm
166 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:01:38pm

re: #154 freetoken

It seems all too common that every fall once cold weather hits and people turn on gas heaters, somewhere there is a major fire or explosion.

I remember growing up how we had one central space furnace, and how it was checked every year for leaks, though with the the trace of hydrogen sulfide in the gas mixture it was very easy to smell a leak.

My grandma told me about horrible accidents from kerosene lamps. She had some empty antique ones and I mentioned the light would have been nice. She said "oh no, they were horrible. They could explode, and the fires killed many women and children.". She loved electric ovens for the same reason. She would turn on her stove and tell me:
"See! No match!"

167 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:02:34pm
Capt. Rita Burris with the Indiana Fire Department told The Associated Press that firefighters are still working to put out the flames after the explosion around 11 p.m. Saturday.

She told AP early Sunday there were multiple injuries but details remain sketchy and there are no fatalities reported at this point.

Well that's some good news.

168 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:03:19pm

re: #166 prairiefire

We had a kerosene lamp which we used when the electricity would go out. They are dangerous because if they are knocked over while lit they can break and spill the kerosene. Always keep a kerosene lamp on a stable platform away from an edge.

169 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:05:25pm

That's quite the hellscape.

Okay, my last post about this.

170 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:07:07pm

re: #166 prairiefire

It's amazing how long hideous synthetic substances were used for so long in the old days, and even now. I heard once about a particularly nasty epidemic of kimonos in the 30s and 40s that were made out of some nylon like substance. It burned way too easily.

171 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:08:47pm

A couple of years ago I was at my brother's house when there was an explosion in the middle of the night that shook the windows. It was a few blocks over where a gas explosion turned a home literally (word used correctly) into toothpicks. An elderly woman lived there alone and survived. She had gone to bed and awoken in her backyard, wondering WTF. Apparently her mattress protected her somehow even as the wall of her bedroom was blown out and her with it. She was shaken but completely unharmed.

172 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:09:27pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

The republican Party isn't likely to ever win the youth vote, reformed or not. Limited government and free markets aren't new or 'sexy' concepts. It takes a while for people to learn how important those things are.

Except that the GOP doesn't govern on limited government, so they're full of shit there, and their idea of free markets is deregulating everything and letting God sort it out, which is what led to the 2008 meltdown in the first place.

They have a bunch of shitty ideas, treat minority and female voters like moochers and idiots who only want a handout, and they're hypocrites of the highest order. Why would anyone under the age of retirement bother voting for them?

173 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:11:37pm

re: #170 dragonath

It's amazing how long hideous synthetic substances were used for so long in the old days, and even now. I heard once about a particularly nasty epidemic of kimonos in the 30s and 40s that were made out of some nylon like substance. It burned way too easily.

Celluloid collars.

174 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:12:52pm
175 dragonath  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:13:47pm

re: #172 Lidane

And even the idea of senior citizens voting Republican isn't a sure thing. We're not too far removed from the era when the elderly voted almost reliably Democratic.

176 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:14:56pm

The GOP did this to themselves, by opposing equal rights, women's reproductive freedom / slut shaming, scapegoating hispanics & preventing immigration reform, blocking sensible tax policy, and deciding defense spending was sacrosanct. They didn't just do some things wrong, they did everything wrong. They're on the wrong side of history.

Think back just a few years ago, could marriage equality have won in four out of four states it was on the ballot? Of course not, ten years ago it was an impossible dream in any state. This was a watershed election, and people both young and old, just aren't buying into the same old bigoted, narrow minded bullshit anymore.

The GOP is desperate to think that their loss might be the result of anything external to themselves. But it's not, it's who.they.are. They're blaming the hurricane, Akin and Mourdock, Mitt's performance, anything to keep from confronting the fact that the Republican platform, the brand, is intrinsically awful. It's a horrible golem made of rage against religious and ethnic minorities, abortion, and fundamental misunderstandings about how the economy actually works.

177 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:18:05pm

re: #172 Lidane

Except that the GOP doesn't govern on limited government, so they're full of shit there, and their idea of free markets is deregulating everything and letting God sort it out, which is what led to the 2008 meltdown in the first place.

They have a bunch of shitty ideas, treat minority and female voters like moochers and idiots who only want a handout, and they're hypocrites of the highest order. Why would anyone under the age of retirement bother voting for them?

You make it sound almost accidental. It isn't. There is no godly sorting. Pointing to minorities and women distracts attention from those who are really doing the thieving. I see the 2012 election as an awakening of the public to these diversions.

178 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:19:02pm

Ask yourself what the average GOP voter got from this election, nothing. They voted for someone they knew stood for nothing, and was lying to them about so much that it was impossible to know how he might govern. They voted out of hate, or at best blind partisan loyalty, and lost. At no point was personal integrity even on the table.

179 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:21:42pm

re: #178 goddamnedfrank

Ask yourself what the average GOP voter got from this election, nothing. They voted for someone they knew stood for nothing, and was lying to them about so much that it was impossible to know how he might govern. They voted out of hate, or at best blind partisan loyalty, and lost. At no point was personal integrity even on the table.

This. So much this.

180 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:24:50pm

re: #177 allegro

You make it sound almost accidental. It isn't. There is no godly sorting. Pointing to minorities and women distracts attention from those who are really doing the thieving. I see the 2012 election as an awakening of the public to these diversions.

Pretty much. For ages, it's been like this:

Image: voting_republican.jpg

I think Mitt Romney's nomination and the subsequent exposure of the pundits and the conservative media as blatant bullshit artists that live in an alternate reality will go a long way towards changing the political game. Or at least I hope so.

181 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:27:13pm

I hope Harry Reid institutes some kind of filibuster reform next session. I think it would be cathartic for the nation if GOP Senators actually had to stand there and spout nonstop nonsense to block votes on meaningful legislation. If they have an objection to ending debate, they can tell us what it is.

182 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:30:05pm

Know you don't want to hear this, Dark, but your party needs to change. The minority hating and non-existent War on Women is the easy stuff.

183 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:32:04pm

re: #180 Lidane

Pretty much. For ages, it's been like this:

Image: voting_republican.jpg

I think Mitt Romney's nomination and the subsequent exposure of the pundits and the conservative media as blatant bullshit artists that live in an alternate reality will go a long way towards changing the political game. Or at least I hope so.

I think that the more the Internet and instant information is a part of everyone's lives, the less our politicians can bullshit and get away with what Romney thought he could get away with. The world doesn't work that way anymore. You say it, you own it. Here's proof, instantly and globally. Speak candidly at a private dinner? YouTube! It's a new game now. One I think serves the people well - as this election has proven.

184 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:33:18pm

People are so crazy. They think that Muslims are taking over the world. That's so psycho.

185 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:33:43pm

Let us remember that the GOP still has a strong majority in the House and that most of the Tea Party caucus was re-elected.

Though pundits and wingnuts are currently wringing their hands in public, it will become clear in a couple of months that President Obama will not be able to have a legislative agenda, or at least one the changes anything.

186 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:35:07pm

re: #176 goddamnedfrank

They're blaming the hurricane, Akin and Mourdock, Mitt's performance, anything to keep from confronting the fact that the Republican platform, the brand, is intrinsically awful. It's a horrible golem made of rage against religious and ethnic minorities, abortion, and fundamental misunderstandings about how the economy actually works.

THIS. SO MUCH.

Because it deserves to be seen again and again, I'll defer to Rachel Maddow:

187 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:36:47pm

re: #185 freetoken

Let us remember that the GOP still has a strong majority in the House and that most of the Tea Party caucus was re-elected.

Though pundits and wingnuts are currently wringing their hands in public, it will become clear in a couple of months that President Obama will not be able to have a legislative agenda, or at least one the changes anything.

You compromise. The Speaker wants 0 and Obama wants 13 so make it 6.5.

188 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:37:04pm

re: #181 goddamnedfrank

I hope Harry Reid institutes some kind of filibuster reform next session. I think it would be cathartic for the nation if GOP Senators actually had to stand there and spout nonstop nonsense to block votes on meaningful legislation. If they have an objection to ending debate, they can tell us what it is.

+1

If either party wants to filibuster something, force those fuckers to fill C-SPAN's airtime with people reading from the phone book or making speeches like they had to in the past. The current filibuster is a joke.

189 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:37:51pm

My art soap-box of the evening: You can take the entire set of "films" (which I put in quotes to include those 100% digital) released so far in this century, which played in theatres in the US, and still not select from them a subset/body of work superior to the life-time production Alfred Hitchcock.

190 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:38:15pm

re: #187 Gus

You compromise. The Speaker wants 0 and Obama wants 13 so make it 6.5.

Tea Party will not approve.

191 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:38:52pm

re: #190 freetoken

Tea Party will not approve.

GOP dies.

Mission.

Accomplished.

192 allegro  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:42:53pm

re: #185 freetoken

Let us remember that the GOP still has a strong majority in the House and that most of the Tea Party caucus was re-elected.

Though pundits and wingnuts are currently wringing their hands in public, it will become clear in a couple of months that President Obama will not be able to have a legislative agenda, or at least one the changes anything.

As I was discussing earlier this evening with my newly Dem-voter, dog-walking friend - I think the next couple of weeks are going to tell us a whole lot about how the next 4 years are going to play out. The "fiscal cliff" issue, I think, is the bellweather. It's a game of chicken writ enormous. Who holds/who folds?

193 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:42:59pm

re: #189 freetoken

Hmmm...

194 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:43:15pm

re: #184 Gus

People are so crazy. They think that Muslims are taking over the world. That's so psycho.

MAD PAM! Aieee!

195 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:43:32pm

frankly i think the conservative rank and file need to realize that all these stories they're swallowing about 'conservative philosophy' and 'economic reality' are either about wealthy people justifying getting out of taxes and regulation or cynical appeals to their prejudices

maybe rush limbaugh could say that for a change one of those times when he's going on and on about "what liberals believe"

196 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:44:43pm
197 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:45:16pm

re: #185 freetoken

Let us remember that the GOP still has a strong majority in the House and that most of the Tea Party caucus was re-elected.

despite the fact that national totals in congressional races give the democrats a fraction of a percentage more votes total

in 2010 the gop showed mad gerrymandering skilz

198 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:45:29pm

As long as we're on the subject:

199 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:48:32pm

re: #198 Lidane

As long as we're on the subject:

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Yeah, this is the lesson they needed to learn about the Rape Caucus...

The party's perceived betrayal of Akin confirmed what many grassroots conservative activists had long suspected: That the Republican Establishment was willing to throw the base under the bus to serve the interests of deep-pocketed donors.

200 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:49:22pm

re: #194 Dancing along the light of day

MAD PAM! Aieee!

It hurts me too. I feel it. Awful.

201 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:53:07pm

re: #199 Four More Tears

Yeah, this is the lesson they needed to learn about the Rape Caucus...

That's why I'm convinced that a True Believer like Rick Santorum will be the nominee in 2016.

Not only was he the runner up this time which makes him the anointed successor next time around, but the socon base isn't going to play nice, especially after conservative pundits, bloggers, and media convinced them for months that Romney was going to win and he lost. They're going to push for someone who is a firm evangelical Christian wingnut. They're not going to accept another rich patrician like Romney.

202 engineer cat  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:53:34pm

what do i think a typical gop voter really wants?

they want to stop feeling like a mark, like everybody is taking advantage of them. they want their kids to treat them with respect and stop sponging off of them. they want to stop feeling like things are changing too fast for them too keep up with, and that there are other people who are laughing at them because they are richer, smarter, and hipper than they are

the world is beating up on them and they are hurting and they want to know why and who is responsible for it

and it just happens that there are some people who are just dying to "explain" to them who it is

203 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:54:01pm

re: #201 Lidane

That's why I'm convinced that a True Believer like Rick Santorum will be the nominee in 2016.

Not only was he the runner up this time which makes him the anointed successor next time around, but the socon base isn't going to play nice, especially after conservative pundits, bloggers, and media convinced them for months that Romney was going to win and he lost. They're going to push for someone who is a firm evangelical Christian wingnut. They're not going to accept another rich patrician like Romney.

Oy2

204 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:55:52pm

Ok, so is the guy I talked to last night still here?

What is likely to occur with the Puerto Rico Referendum?

I get the the feeling that the PPD, being the pestilence it is, will ignore it, fail to push through a new constitution, and get its ass kicked in 2016, followed by a repeat of this in 2020.

My pet theory is that the PPD wants to keep thing the same to hold the cost of labor down, and keep big business happy.

205 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 10:56:30pm
206 ProGunLiberal  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:01:17pm

re: #204 ProGunLiberal

Not to mention that, they have never even explained what "Enhanced Commonwealth" means. They keep whining about the referendum, and how that wasn't on there, but then never define it.

My understanding is that it is basically the "Free Association" option, but they didn't like the name given to it on the ballot. In short, the PPD can piss off.

207 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:03:57pm

re: #198 Lidane

That religious right operatives such as Lane act like they truly believe that Perry or Gingrich could have won the Presidency only supports my assertion (I made in the latest Page) that creationists are demonstrably delusional.

208 Lidane  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:06:24pm

re: #207 freetoken

That religious right operatives such as Lane act like they truly believe that Perry or Gingrich could have won the Presidency only supports my assertion (I made in the latest Page) that creationists are demonstrably delusional.

The fact that they're creationists makes them delusional. Believing that Perry or Gingrich had a chance against Obama is just added fail.

209 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:07:35pm

Live IN.

[Link: www.ustream.tv...]

210 Gus  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:12:04pm

Over and out.

211 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:14:48pm

re: #198 Lidane

Somehow the glint off his shiny chrome dome deflects all doubts. "Do Not Question Me!"

212 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:16:05pm

re: #186 Lidane

THIS. SO MUCH.

Because it deserves to be seen again and again, I'll defer to Rachel Maddow:

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To quote John Stewart... "Ho-leee sh*tballs." Wow. And in one take, too! That is one talented lady :) (There is no way I could talk political for four minutes without tripping over my tongue)

"Either you decide to live on Planet Earth with the rest of us, or you'll keep getting your asses kicked... You pick."

213 Kragar  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:17:30pm

re: #211 prairiefire

Somehow the glint off his shiny chrome dome deflects all doubts. "Do Not Question Me!"

Some of his donors were asking him where the money went.

214 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:20:55pm

re: #202 engineer cat

what do i think a typical gop voter really wants?

they want to stop feeling like a mark, like everybody is taking advantage of them. they want their kids to treat them with respect and stop sponging off of them. they want to stop feeling like things are changing too fast for them too keep up with, and that there are other people who are laughing at them because they are richer, smarter, and hipper than they are

the world is beating up on them and they are hurting and they want to know why and who is responsible for it

and it just happens that there are some people who are just dying to "explain" to them who it is

It boils down to fear. Fear of the darkies, fear of inadequacy, fear of mythical Apple Pie America being lost, fear about the future... Fear, fear, fear. We just happen to have a multi-faceted media system in place that is absolutely excellent at exploiting, creating, and capitalizing on fear.

215 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:23:53pm

As part of this idea that changing demography is dooming the GOP as it is currently ideologically organized, I offer this about San Diego, which on election night became clear to me to now no longer to be thought of as a "Republican" city/region:


A Changing City Picks Filner for Mayor

Thirteen years ago, Bob Filner openly pondered running for mayor of San Diego. In his view, San Diego had become dominated by Republican interests, and increasingly out of step with the city's growing Democratic population. But Filner passed — he didn't think he could win.

Seventeen months ago, Filner announced a mayoral bid expressing certainty that now was his time. The city has only grown more ethnically diverse and Democratic in the years since he had floated a bid.

Filner was right.

He defeated Republican City Councilman Carl DeMaio 51.5 percent to 48.5 percent, according to unofficial returns from the county registrar on Wednesday. Thousands of provisional ballots remain uncounted, but DeMaio conceded the race early Wednesday.

[...]

216 prairiefire  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:24:10pm

I would bet that man will be $70 million ahead by the time of the mid terms. Such a Rainman has never been seen.

217 freetoken  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:29:34pm

As the San Diego county registrar is slowly counting ballots, the very very close Congressional race in the city of SD proper looks more and more like a win for the Democrat:


San Diego close races

A slim lead held by Port of San Diego Commissioner Scott Peters over incumbent Rep. Brian Bilbray, R-Solana Beach, rose significantly Saturday in the latest count of votes from Tuesday’s election released by the Registrar of Voters office.

Peters held an 814-vote margin over the incumbent congressman at the end of the day Thursday.

By the time counting of about 50,000 mail-in and provisional ballots ended today, the difference was 1,334 votes out of more than 220,000 cast.

[...]

Representative Bilbray has yet to make a public comment on the results saying he will refrain from doing so until more votes are counted.

County staffers still have to count around 325,000 more ballots.

Settling most of the close races might not happen until later next week, according to Registrar Deborah Seiler.

Bilbray has fended off several attempts by Democrats to snatch away his congressional seat over the years.

However, he was forced by redistricting into some unfamiliar inland regions for his re-election bid this year.

Meanwhile, Solana Beach Councilman Dave Roberts maintained his lead in the county supervisor’s race over Bilbray’s chief of staff, Steve Danon.

Roberts, the deputy mayor, leads by 2,220 votes out of around 145,000 cast.

That reflects a net gain of more than 300 votes.

[...]

So both Bilbray and his chief of staff are going to go down in defeat.

Billbray is losing in a district that includes the Romney's La Jolla beachfront villa.

Yes, demographics are forcing changes.

218 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:38:49pm

re: #217 freetoken

As the San Diego county registrar is slowly counting ballots, the very very close Congressional race in the city of SD proper looks more and more like a win for the Democrat:

San Diego close races

So both Bilbray and his chief of staff are going to go down in defeat.

Billbray is losing in a district that includes the Romney's La Jolla beachfront villa.

Yes, demographics are forcing changes.

That, right there, is just delicious...

219 Four More Tears  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:39:20pm

Wha?

220 Varek Raith  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:49:12pm

re: #219 Four More Tears

Wha?

[Embedded content]

*Raises right eyebrow*

221 Kragar  Sat, Nov 10, 2012 11:50:08pm

re: #219 Four More Tears

Wha?

[Embedded content]

Benghazi...?

222 freetoken  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:13:58am

re: #219 Four More Tears

As I wrote downstairs, this whole thing has the makings of an old fashioned b&w mystery movie, film noir, and such.

223 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:15:16am

re: #222 freetoken

Ego; male ego, female ego...

224 Kragar  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:16:01am

re: #223 prairiefire

Ego; male ego, female ego...

Lego ego

225 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:18:45am

re: #222 freetoken

As I wrote downstairs, this whole thing has the makings of an old fashioned b&w mystery movie, film noir, and such.

well, so far it resembles a classic film noir in that everything is murky and ambiguous and everybody seems guilty and innocent at the same time

226 Kragar  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:35:06am

re: #225 engineer cat

well, so far it resembles a classic film noir in that everything is murky and ambiguous and everybody seems guilty and innocent at the same time

Can we recast it as a British gangster film with Robert Carlyle and Vinnie Jones?

227 engineer cat  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:36:40am

re: #226 Kragar

Can we recast it as a British gangster film with Robert Carlyle and Vinnie Jones?

oy!

228 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:02:03am

This Just In: Wingnut attempts to explain why Obama's win makes her depressed, shows extremely poor analogy skills...

guess what? someone who thinks of me as childish is the LEAST of our problems. You know why people feel this way that "it" got elected? lots of reasons, too many to list, no matter. but imagine the worst dictator coming into winning as president of your city. Maybe Hitler. Maybe someone else.. ok, lets use Hitler. most poeple hate him. Imagine if election was Hitler vs Mother Theresa. Lets say Hitler won. i hoipe that clarifies how upset we are that someone akin to Hitler won.

LMAO

229 prairiefire  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:03:14am

re: #226 Kragar

Can we recast it as a British gangster film with Robert Carlyle and Vinnie Jones?

Yes, please!

230 researchok  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:10:18am

Morning, all

231 Kragar  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:15:32am

re: #228 watching you tiny alien kittens are

This Just In: Wingnut attempts to explain why Obama's win makes her depressed, shows extremely poor analogy skills...

LMAO

So Romney was Mother Theresa?

232 freetoken  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 1:52:28am

For your overnight consideration, here is Ildebrando Pizzetti's Messa di Requiem :

233 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:16:20am

RWNJ "humor" exemplified...

I was sitting at a long stoplight yesterday, minding my own business, patiently waiting for it to turn green even though there was no on-coming traffic. A carload of bearded, young, loud Muslims, shouting anti-American slogans, with a half-burned American Flag duct-taped on the trunk of their car and a "Remember 9-11" slogan spray painted on the side, was stopped next to me. Suddenly they yelled, "Aqbar Allah! Praise Allah!" and took off before the light changed. Out of nowhere an 18-wheeler came speeding through the intersection and ran directly over their car, crushing it completely and killing everyone in it. For several minutes I sat in my car stunned... thinking to myself, "Man...that could have been me! "

So today, bright and early, I went out and got a job as a truck driver.

*slow clap* Ha.....Ha */slow clap*

234 researchok  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:23:14am

re: #232 freetoken

Superb.

235 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 2:52:12am

Allen West refuses to concede, gets partial recount.

Election officials in St. Lucie County will recount early votes cast in the hotly contested race for Florida's 18th district's House seat between Tea Party favorite Rep. Allen West and his challenger, Democrat Patrick Murphy.

The St. Lucie County Canvassing Board announced late Saturday it had set an “emergency meeting” to start at 7 a.m. Sunday at its headquarters, to “recount all ballots cast during early voting.” The number of early ballots is estimated by officials to be roughly 37,000.

West, who has refused to concede the race, is currently trailing Murphy by 2,442 votes, according to the latest results from Florida Division of Elections. On its website, the agency says West has garnered 164,448 votes to Murphy’s 166,890.

236 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 4:48:50am

New favorite terrible name of the day (real):

Galadriel Hovel-Miner

237 Flounder  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 5:47:19am

Useless donations another disaster post Sandy superstorm.
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
Who wouldn't want my used wetsuit!?/

238 Flounder  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 5:51:10am

Man rear-ends shit spreader
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
Yes I said shit spreader, what do you think puts the sweet in corn!?

239 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 6:02:24am

re: #236 Obdicut

New favorite terrible name of the day (real):

Galadriel Hovel-Miner

We rate this claim as Half-True on the truth-o-meter.

This reporter found that widespread evidence of a person named Galadriel Hovel-Miner does indeed exist on the internet including photos and personal correspondence with friends and associates on social media sites. There is even a book purportedly written by this person on sale thru Amazon and other online vendors.

However attempts to reach Galadriel Hovel-Miner through psychic mind link were not returned by her and this reporter has to date received no birth certificate, college transcripts, or copies of tax returns. My request for a personal interview which was made by putting a note into a bottle and tossing it into the ocean was also never replied to.

So while some evidence was found to support the claim made by Obdicut that such a person exists we have been unable to conclusively verify this claim. We therefore rate this claim as Half-True at least until someone else bothers to do my job for for me and presents me with further evidence.

240 Lidane  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 6:06:23am

Obama's Diverse Coalition: The New America Flexes Its Muscles

The confetti has long been thrown out, the TV crews have departed, the buffets have been cleared, the election night "ballrooms" stripped back down to the cold convention halls they were. What remains are images -- contrasting, silent, strong images which say it all.

Here in Boston, it was the shocked faces of the Republicans who had hoped to celebrate Mitt Romney's victory but ended up witnessing his political demise. Hundreds of white, serious faces, many of them middle-aged or elderly, with blacks, Latinos and other minorities few and far between. The predominant dress code: ruby-red for women, dark bespoke suits for men.

In Chicago, a thousand miles away, it was an utterly different scene. There, hugging each other in glee, were 15,000 Democrats of literally all shades: white, black, Latino, young, old, male, female, straight, gay. They wore jeans or gowns, baseball caps or church hats, scarves, hijabs, yarmulkes and, again and again, T-shirts with Obama's stylized countenance.

That's what the new America looks like, and that's what it looked like four years ago in Chicago's Grant Park, where Obama celebrated his first presidential victory. But back then it seemed fleeting, just a vision soon to be smothered by politics.

Obama's re-election has shown that it's more than a vision. "When you do it once, it's just a victory," writes Ross Douthat of the New York Times. "When you do it twice, it's a realignment."

And it could be here to stay. The era of monochrome majorities is ending. The political America looks more and more like a street corner in Manhattan.

241 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 6:22:10am

re: #240 Lidane

Our solidarity will crush the Republicans utterly! The only real question now is where are we going to find an black/asian woman with hispanic roots to run in 2016?

///

242 ninja cat  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 6:47:58am

re: #219 Four More Tears

I haven't had enough coffee but let me make sure I have this correct. The original whistle-blower was the other woman who Broadwell was harassing. This prompted an FBI investigation, started several months ago. This latest whistle-blower was FBI employee, who contacted Cantor, a couple of weeks before the election. In the hopes of what, a scandal right before the election? Why Cantor?

243 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 6:54:35am

re: #241 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Our solidarity will crush the Republicans utterly! The only real question now is where are we going to find an black/asian woman with hispanic roots to run in 2016?

///

It's easier than that. The Dem candidate will almost certainly be white (M or F) with complementary minority VP partner. They will face the "second best" of this year's TPGOP primary crop.

244 Flounder  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 6:58:00am

re: #242 ninja cat

If Petraeus was still an Army general I would understand his resignation a little better, but he is a just a guy running the CIA who had an affair, will go through a messy divorce, etc.

245 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 7:02:56am

re: #244 Flounder

If Petraeus was still an Army general I would understand his resignation a little better, but he is a just a guy running the CIA who had an affair, will go through a messy divorce, etc.

When they met, he was still in uniform and she was a West Pointer/Reserves MAJ. That doesn't fly in Army circles, and the CIA is probably even more rigid.

246 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 7:04:40am

re: #244 Flounder

It's a security risk. He was blackmailable. He was exercising very poor judgement in being close to someone that irrational (the threatening messages) and that's bad for the head of the CIA, too.

247 ninja cat  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 7:07:22am

re: #244 Flounder

If Petraeus was still an Army general I would understand his resignation a little better, but he is a just a guy running the CIA who had an affair, will go through a messy divorce, etc.

Well I don't agree with that. He's not just some random guy, he is head of the CIA. Having an affair and possibly having that woman access his email is a little more intense then your average split & who will get the dog.

248 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 7:09:19am

Sunday morning dogwalk. BBIAB

249 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 7:25:59am

re: #243 Decatur Deb

It's easier than that. The Dem candidate will almost certainly be white (M or F) with complementary minority VP partner. They will face the "second best" of this year's TPGOP primary crop.

Santorum/Gingrich 2016!
Protecting the Sanctity of American Marriage(s)

/

250 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 7:36:13am
251 Flounder  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 7:37:29am

re: #245 Decatur Deb

re: #246 Obdicut

re: #247 ninja cat


Very good points. Being the head of the CIA, he should know this. What some men will do for a little strange...

252 ninja cat  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 7:50:55am

re: #250 Gretchen G.Tiger
Baby Sloth

lazy

253 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 7:51:48am

re: #245 Decatur Deb

When they met, he was still in uniform and she was a West Pointer/Reserves MAJ. That doesn't fly in Army circles, and the CIA is probably even more rigid.

Thats what got him in trouble!!!
/

254 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 7:56:20am

Wife is on her way home from a 3-day religious retreat. Got to clean this dump up. BBL.

255 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 7:57:51am

So wait, the head of the CIA had an affair?

I am so confused.

256 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:00:04am

re: #255 Gretchen G.Tiger

So wait, the head of the CIA had an affair?

I am so confused.

One word

BLACKMAIL!


He has access to, well,, everything top secret.

"Tell me about 'xyz' or we;ll go public with your affair"

257 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:01:08am

re: #256 sattv4u2

One word

BLACKMAIL!

He has access to, well,, everything top secret.

"Tell me about 'xyz' or we;ll go public with your affair"

Petraus was head of the CIA or is there a new facet to this of which I am not aware.

258 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:01:45am

re: #256 sattv4u2

One word

BLACKMAIL!

He has access to, well,, everything top secret.

"Tell me about 'xyz' or we;ll go public with your affair"

So he was cheating on his wife with another adult woman, ho hum, who cares? If he was cheating on his wife with, say, an underage boy, that would be a very big deal.

259 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:02:01am

re: #257 Gretchen G.Tiger

Petraus was head of the CIA or is there a new facet to this of which I am not aware.

Yes, he was the head of the CIA
I guess I'm missing your point

260 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:02:46am

re: #258 Vicious Babushka

So he was cheating on his wife with another adult woman, ho hum, who cares? If he was cheating on his wife with, say, an underage boy, that would be a very big deal.

Doesn't matter who/what he was cheating with

The blackmail scenario holds no matter

261 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:05:01am

AND

With all the sensitive material he did have access too, who's to say he doesn't divulge something during "pillow talk" which "she" then can either pass along ($$$) or be blackmailed to tell

262 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:06:01am

re: #261 sattv4u2

AND

With all the sensitive material he did have access too, who's to say he doesn't divulge something during "pillow talk" which "she" then can either pass along ($$$) or be blackmailed to tell

That's terrible reasoning. This is true of anyone, no matter if they're having an affair or just a relationship.

263 andres  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:06:10am

re: #204 ProGunLiberal

Ok, so is the guy I talked to last night still here?

What is likely to occur with the Puerto Rico Referendum?

I get the the feeling that the PPD, being the pestilence it is, will ignore it, fail to push through a new constitution, and get its ass kicked in 2016, followed by a repeat of this in 2020.

My pet theory is that the PPD wants to keep thing the same to hold the cost of labor down, and keep big business happy.

If it's me, I tend to come and go...

The Referendum will go nowhere, as The Hill notes. And the Assembly seems iffy at best.

I don't think the PPD has enough political power to actually pull off the new constitution. They'll get sabotaged by the party's Old Guard first, and a conga will follow.

As for getting their ass kicked in 2016, they barely managed to win this year the governorship. Like Romney, they were supposed to cruise easily due to economy and scandals. It took them a last minute call for voters of the other parties to break party lines to defeat Fortuño. And only managed to do it because a small, but sizable, group in the PNP decided to break party lines (It's why the Governor is from the PPD, while the Commissioner is from the PNP, the second time in our history, IIRC). So I don't doubt they might lose in 2016, but not just because of the status.

What did surprise me was the heavy wins in the Legislature. The PPD did clean the Houses there (the PNP had a lot of rotten apples in the Legislature, especially in the Senate).

As for labor costs, it's about the same as in the USA. The same laws applies to PR. The best incentive that Big Companies had to invest here was the Section 936, which was ultimately removed to "pave way" to statehood during the 1990s.

And I don't think it's just the PPD who wants to keep the status quo: all 3 major political parties stand to lose a lot with a status change.

264 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:06:34am

re: #259 sattv4u2

Yes, he was the head of the CIA
I guess I'm missing your point

I am so not awake yet . . . .

Somehow, my brain had him still in charge in the ME.

never mind

265 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:06:42am

re: #262 Obdicut

re: #261 sattv4u2

That's terrible reasoning. This is true of anyone, no matter if they're having an affair or just a relationship.

Yeah, because "anyone" has national security top secret clearance

266 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:08:27am

re: #265 sattv4u2

Yeah, because "anyone" has national security top secret clearance

No, silly billy, I meant his is true of him being in a relationship with anyone, regardless of whether it's an affair or just a relationship.

What you're saying is that no CIA director could sleep with anyone ever because pillowtalk might ensue.

267 andres  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:10:17am

re: #206 ProGunLiberal

Not to mention that, they have never even explained what "Enhanced Commonwealth" means. They keep whining about the referendum, and how that wasn't on there, but then never define it.

My understanding is that it is basically the "Free Association" option, but they didn't like the name given to it on the ballot. In short, the PPD can piss off.

The PPD never did. The Free Association/Enhanced Commonwealth was an invention of the PNP to split the PPD votes in the 1998 referendum. There is a faction inside the PPD that would like to go in that direction, but I don't think they have enough to topple the Old Guard. They might get there eventually, but not this election cycle.

268 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:14:15am

speaking of spies

Anyone seen Skyfall?

Want to go to a movie today and (besides ones that we've already seen) that's the only one that may fit the bill

269 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:16:49am

re: #268 sattv4u2

speaking of spies

Anyone seen Skyfall?

Want to go to a movie today and (besides ones that we've already seen) that's the only one that may fit the bill

I hope I never see a skyfall.

270 ninja cat  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:18:29am

re: #268 sattv4u2

Am going in an hour or so. Have heard Argo & Flight are really good.

271 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:19:23am

re: #269 Gretchen G.Tiger

I hope I never see a skyfall.

December 21st, 2012

Get a front row seat!

272 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:19:57am

re: #270 ninja cat

Am going in an hour or so. Have heard Argo & Flight are really good.

Saw Flight last week

4 thumbs up (wifey and mine)

273 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:22:44am

re: #26 Kragar

Texas GOP official: state should secede from ‘maggots’ who reelected Obama

Querido Texas Secessionists,

You remember the last time you tried this? And we did that with horses and bayonets. Now we have...better stuff.

Calm down. I predict a Republican win in four years. Dream on vindication and relax some.

Besos y abrazos,

SFZ

274 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:26:24am

Wow. Hubris.

275 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:28:35am

re: #41 Randall Gross

Actually since Ratzinger was an actual Nazi at one point, it's only a short hop from wrong if it is wrong.

I feel that should have been a factor against his becoming Pope--especially in light of the previous Pope's war experience--however I'm not going to pretend that a boy who was eighteen when the war ended had a hell of a lot of options that most people would have taken. The overwhelming majority of us are not Sophie Scholl.

B16 has to live with his past, but while I think electing him was a terrible decision, I'm not going to call him a Nazi because of it. A horrible old reactionary hardliner who is dragging the Church back from its fine tradition of engagement with the modern world, yes.

276 BongCrodny  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:29:06am

re: #268 sattv4u2

speaking of spies

Anyone seen Skyfall?

Want to go to a movie today and (besides ones that we've already seen) that's the only one that may fit the bill

91% positive from critics and moviegoers on Rotten Tomatoes.

277 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:30:17am

re: #64 Dark_Falcon

The point would be to show they could have shot it down had they wanted to. The show of force might not have had us as its primary intended audience, Frank. It could be aimed at boosting the morale of regime supporters or as warning to the Gulf states.

You'd think dropping it would be a better display in that case.

278 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:31:04am

re: #274 Vicious Babushka

Wow. Hubris.

God's message to America: I can't make you obey me, but I can make you wish you had.

I was only kidding about all that crazy "free will" stuff - God

279 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:32:20am

re: #87 Lidane

No idea offhand, but I want these same rabid wingnut dipshits calling for secession to tell me how they're going to handle the drug cartels coming across the border once the Border Patrol closes up shop along the Rio Grande and moves to the Red River.

Why, they'll just...SEAL THE BORDER!!!

///This involves putting harbor seals in the Rio Grande. Those suckers are mean as well as cute.

280 BongCrodny  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:32:34am

re: #275 SanFranciscoZionist

I feel that should have been a factor against his becoming Pope--especially in light of the previous Pope's war experience--however I'm not going to pretend that a boy who was eighteen when the war ended had a hell of a lot of options that most people would have taken. The overwhelming majority of us are not Sophie Scholl.

B16 has to live with his past, but while I think electing him was a terrible decision, I'm not going to call him a Nazi because of it. A horrible old reactionary hardliner who is dragging the Church back from its fine tradition of engagement with the modern world, yes.

Yep. Too blinded by the prospect of power to reflect and say "I'm probably not the right man for the job."

281 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:37:48am

re: #171 allegro

A couple of years ago I was at my brother's house when there was an explosion in the middle of the night that shook the windows. It was a few blocks over where a gas explosion turned a home literally (word used correctly) into toothpicks. An elderly woman lived there alone and survived. She had gone to bed and awoken in her backyard, wondering WTF. Apparently her mattress protected her somehow even as the wall of her bedroom was blown out and her with it. She was shaken but completely unharmed.

Some years ago, a young woman drove out from San Francisco and stole a gas stove from empty military housing on Treasure Island. She then drove it home, and installed it in her apartment.

She neglected to turn off the gas lines. Gas built up in the house until two AM, when the heater clicked on automatically, and there was a boom that brought out the MPs to see what the hell was up.

The cops managed to track down the stove. Luckily. The young woman hadn't managed to get the gas line right on her end either, and it was leaking. Only a matter of time before a second boom, this one potentially harmful to humans and not just property.

282 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:40:21am

re: #247 ninja cat

Well I don't agree with that. He's not just some random guy, he is head of the CIA. Having an affair and possibly having that woman access his email is a little more intense then your average split & who will get the dog.

If she had been some woman he met at a party, and the issue about the e-mail had not come up, I would not consider it to be such a big deal.

283 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:41:39am

re: #266 Obdicut

No, silly billy, I meant his is true of him being in a relationship with anyone, regardless of whether it's an affair or just a relationship.

What you're saying is that no CIA director could sleep with anyone ever because pillowtalk might ensue.

It would be safer. Perhaps an elderly nun would be the best next nominee.

284 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:42:37am

re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist

It would be safer. Perhaps an elderly nun would be the best next nominee.

Hookers

They don't spill the beans unless you don't pay them!!
//(kinda)

285 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:46:26am

re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist

It would be safer. Perhaps an elderly nun would be the best next nominee.

I wonder if Sister Agape (my 6th grade teacher) is still around!

Tough as nails, smart as a whip (one that she had she also used on our knuckles, btw)

286 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:48:08am

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287 A Mom Anon  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:48:13am

re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist

Wasn't the issue here that the biographer woman he was cheating with began trying to access secure info on his computer,including his CIA emails? Had that not happened,along with her threatening another woman at CIA,none of this would have mattered I don't think. I'm not a fan of adultery on any level,it's stupid at best,but if the man was doing his job,an affair isn't going to take him down. But security breaches or attempts at it might,and should. She was after something,probably a story she could sell.

At least that's my take on this mess.

288 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:48:45am

re: #283 SanFranciscoZionist

It would be safer. Perhaps an elderly nun would be the best next nominee.

No reason why elderly nuns can't be having illicit affairs too.

289 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:49:47am

re: #288 Obdicut

No reason why elderly nuns can't be having illicit affairs too.

Thats why I said hookers

They already are!! Nothing to hide
/

290 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:50:25am

so, the family bought one of those Keurig coffee makers. I can't seem to get decent cuppa out of it. I'm NOT having a good morning.

I may have have two coffee makers on the counter. Mine and theirs.

291 A Mom Anon  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:52:53am

re: #290 Gretchen G.Tiger

They make these little reusable cartridges for those things that allow you to put your own coffee in them. Cheaper,but it also may help you get the taste you want. I looked into those machines,but decided I like my plain old stainless steel carafe model.

292 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:53:01am

re: #290 Gretchen G.Tiger

so, the family bought one of those Keurig coffee makers. I can't seem to get decent cuppa out of it. I'm NOT having a good morning.

I may have have two coffee makers on the counter. Mine and theirs.

I have one of those now. Can't plug it in yet. Need an adaptor. What's wrong with the coffee it's producing? (It was a regift through family. I actually brew coffee, so said I would take it on from the branch that just drinks instant and got the machine from a business associate. So no loss if it doesn't work out for me.)

293 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 8:55:07am

re: #288 Obdicut

No reason why elderly nuns can't be having illicit affairs too.

I bet they are better at keeping theirs discreet. And keeping control of their own e-mail accounts.

294 blueraven  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:00:09am

The word out this morning (via one of the Sunday talk shows) is that Patraeus had personally traveled to Benghazi recently and had prepared a report that largely backed up the whitehouse version of what happened.

Considering his upcoming testimony, and the fact that Cantor was informed about the affair before the whitehouse...just wondering if maybe they didn't really want him to testify. Just the opposite of what the RW is espousing in their conspiracy theory.

295 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:00:24am

re: #291 A Mom Anon

They make these little reusable cartridges for those things that allow you to put your own coffee in them. Cheaper,but it also may help you get the taste you want. I looked into those machines,but decided I like my plain old stainless steel carafe model.

re: #292 SanFranciscoZionist

I have one of those now. Can't plug it in yet. Need an adaptor. What's wrong with the coffee it's producing? (It was a regift through family. I actually brew coffee, so said I would take it on from the branch that just drinks instant and got the machine from a business associate. So no loss if it doesn't work out for me.)

Well, so far . . .

The reusable thingy is a PITA. It's tiny and hard to fill without spilling coffee everywhere. It doesn't seem to make the same cuppa from the coffee I usually use. So, I would have to find a different coffee.

The little k-cup or reusable thingy is really only good for one cuppa. Again, a PITA and a waste.

Originally we thought it would save coffee because I get disinterested in a pot after the 2nd or 3rd cup --as the flavor isn't as good as the 1st. But that little k-cup, I think, holds enough to make at least 2 cuppas.

Feedback from the on-line forums seem to indicate a consensus on the quality of the coffee from the Keurigs --it's a sacrifice for convenience. They also seem to think it makes a weak cuppa and one must use expresso to get a strong one.

Changing out the reusable k-cup thingy is a PITA. So, it's really not any more convenient.

296 Obdicut  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:02:22am

re: #293 SanFranciscoZionist

I bet they are better at keeping theirs discreet. And keeping control of their own e-mail accounts.

Maybe. There might just be very few cases where people are actively looking to bust nuns for having affairs. Now that US nuns are fighting with the Vatican, maybe we'll see more of that.

297 ninja cat  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:04:05am

re: #294 blueraven

I wonder about an article I saw a week or so ago. It mentioned Bob Woodward being approached by someone in the Rep. party with inside info that he ended up passing on.

298 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:04:11am

re: #296 Obdicut

Maybe. There might just be very few cases where people are actively looking to bust nuns for having affairs. Now that US nuns are fighting with the Vatican, maybe we'll see more of that.

Brave New World indeed!

299 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:08:18am

re: #287 A Mom Anon

Wasn't the issue here that the biographer woman he was cheating with began trying to access secure info on his computer,including his CIA emails? Had that not happened,along with her threatening another woman at CIA,none of this would have mattered I don't think. I'm not a fan of adultery on any level,it's stupid at best,but if the man was doing his job,an affair isn't going to take him down. But security breaches or attempts at it might,and should. She was after something,probably a story she could sell.

At least that's my take on this mess.

That part never happened, it was just garbled reporting early on when the scandal was breaking.

Peatraeus was seeing Broadwell for about two years and then broke it off a few months ago. Broadwell was jealous of another woman that Petraeus was spending time with (we don't know if he was seeing her romantically or not) and sent her harassing emails. The woman filed a complaint which the FBI investigated. They identified Broadwell as sender of the emails and searched her computer, on it they found intimate emails from Petraeus. They then investigated Petraeus to make sure no security breach had occurred and no sensitive information had been transferred.

When agents investigated Ms. Broadwell’s e-mail account, they discovered romantic exchanges she had had with the CIA director. Concerned about possible security breaches, agents looked at Petraeus’s personal email account.

It was determined that Petraeus had only used a personal Gmail account and not his secure CIA email.

At this point, there is no evidence that intelligence or national security secrets were compromised during the hidden affair, officials have said. It was via his personal Gmail account – not his secure CIA email – that Petraeus and Broadwell communicated.

So nothing happened here other than philandering and some petty jealously causing harassment. There was no electronic security breach or any attempt at making one.

300 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:08:29am

re: #294 blueraven

The word out this morning (via one of the Sunday talk shows) is that Patraeus had personally traveled to Benghazi recently and had prepared a report that largely backed up the whitehouse version of what happened.

Considering his upcoming testimony, and the fact that Cantor was informed about the affair before the whitehouse...just wondering if maybe they didn't really want him to testify. Just the opposite of what the RW is espousing in their conspiracy theory.

I seriously doubt that. In fact I don't think Cantor had anything to do with it. The fact that he knew just shows it wasn't much of a secret.

301 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:11:35am

re: #294 blueraven

The word out this morning (via one of the Sunday talk shows) is that Patraeus had personally traveled to Benghazi recently and had prepared a report that largely backed up the whitehouse version of what happened.

Considering his upcoming testimony, and the fact that Cantor was informed about the affair before the whitehouse...just wondering if maybe they didn't really want him to testify. Just the opposite of what the RW is espousing in their conspiracy theory.

Nothing says that he can't or wont testify still, he still can as a civilian you know. Congressman Issa is probably still going to ask him to testify as head of the CIA when the Benghazi incident occurred, and can subpoena him to if the request is refused.

302 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:11:38am

So, I see more "lost dogs" and "rescue this dog so he won't be euthanized" posts on my fb.

Now, I'm all for animal rescue, etc. People who abuse animals will also abuse humans, so I really support law enforcement etc in this issue. Yet, I just don't get why so many people are volunteering their time and money on dogs, when there are children who need rescuing.

Makes me wonder a bit about the health of society. Do you think people are going over the edge on this?

303 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:12:35am

Petraus had an affair . . .

NEXT

304 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:13:15am

re: #300 Killgore Trout

I seriously doubt that. In fact I don't think Cantor had anything to do with it. The fact that he knew just shows it wasn't much of a secret.

C'mon now

Cantor has something to do with EVERYTHING!!

BWWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!

[Link: rasica.files.wordpress.com...]
//

305 blueraven  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:13:34am

re: #301 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Nothing says that he can't or wont testify still, he still can as a civilian you know. Congressman Issa is probably still going to ask him to testify as head of the CIA when the Benghazi incident occurred, and can subpoena him to if the request is refused.

Of course that is true, but now Petraeus is not seen as the straight shooter he was a week ago.

306 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:16:10am

re: #305 blueraven

Of course that is true, but now Petraeus is not seen as the straight shooter he was a week ago.

I don't see it that way. I think his resigning showed how much he takes such things seriously. He knows he did wrong and isn't trying to justify or rationalize. He's taking his licks and that's that.

I really don't think this will tarnish is reputation.

Frankly, I don't think anyone cares.

307 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:18:32am

re: #302 Gretchen G.Tiger

Do you think people are going over the edge on this?

Not at all. Many people I've encountered as "dog rescuers" are also very generous with human charities

I'm active with three rescue agencies as well as two vets where I live (we sponsor and have fostered homed dogs, and the two that we have now from rescue agencies)

308 blueraven  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:19:03am

re: #300 Killgore Trout

I seriously doubt that. In fact I don't think Cantor had anything to do with it. The fact that he knew just shows it wasn't much of a secret.

Maybe. But the whistle blower came to him, then Cantor made sure the FBI head knew that he knew...and things escalated.

The fact that there was no breach of security found would suggest this matter might have remained under the radar if somebody didn't push the issue.

309 dragonath  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:19:29am

AHAHAHAHAHA

I found out why Project ORCA crashed...

...it was a Microsoft product!

310 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:20:13am

re: #302 Gretchen G.Tiger

So, I see more "lost dogs" and "rescue this dog so he won't be euthanized" posts on my fb.

Now, I'm all for animal rescue, etc. People who abuse animals will also abuse humans, so I really support law enforcement etc in this issue. Yet, I just don't get why so many people are volunteering their time and money on dogs, when there are children who need rescuing.

Makes me wonder a bit about the health of society. Do you think people are going over the edge on this?

There's a lot less regulation about placing dogs, and they're cheaper and less problematic to take care of. (If you leave your child at home with water and some dry food while you go to work, there's going to be some issues.)

I suspect.

311 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:21:02am

re: #307 sattv4u2

Do you think people are going over the edge on this?

Not at all. Many people I've encountered as "dog rescuers" are also very generous with human charities

I'm active with three rescue agencies as well as two vets where I live (we sponsor and have fostered homed dogs, and the two that we have now from rescue agencies)

Very true, yet the people I know seem to spend much of their week carting dogs around when I guess they could spend that time teaching a kid to read.

312 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:21:59am

re: #308 blueraven

Maybe. But the whistle blower came to him, then Cantor made sure the FBI head knew that he knew...and things escalated.

The fact that there was no breach of security found would suggest this matter might have remained under the radar if somebody didn't push the issue.

He would have to go anyways. Once the FBI discovered his affair his security clearance would be compromised no matter who knew about it.

313 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:21:59am

re: #140 Four More Tears

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I was hearing radio reports of the explosion being heard for miles. Broke windows blocks away. Leveled 2 houses. Geez, that's like a big artillery hit.
Big for a gas explosion unless it was a gas main. I hope some nutjob was not actually building something big in his garage or basement.

314 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:23:03am

re: #310 SanFranciscoZionist

If you leave your child at home with water and some dry food while you go to work, there's going to be some issues.

HEY ,, I left the TV on for him also!!

315 blueraven  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:25:06am

re: #312 Killgore Trout

He would have to go anyways. Once the FBI discovered his affair his security clearance would be compromised no matter who knew about it.

Except the FBI said it wasn't compromised.

316 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:25:28am

re: #314 sattv4u2

If you leave your child at home with water and some dry food while you go to work, there's going to be some issues.

HEY ,, I left the TV on for him also!!

and you can put dog in a cage when he misbehaves.

317 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:26:02am

re: #311 Gretchen G.Tiger

Very true, yet the people I know seem to spend much of their week carting dogs around when I guess they could spend that time teaching a kid to read.

Yeah
But you could say the same thing about people that "waste" all their time in their gardens, or watching soap operas, or golfing, or tennis, or ,,,,,,

318 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:27:05am

re: #316 Gretchen G.Tiger

and you can put dog in a cage when he misbehaves.

and ,,,,

Image: four-kids-in-dog-cage.jpg

UPSIDE
I put the TV remote in there with them

319 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:27:48am

re: #317 sattv4u2

Yeah
But you could say the same thing about people that "waste" all their time in their gardens, or watching soap operas, or golfing, or tennis, or ,,,,,,

I guess, I'm not doing a very good job of articulating my concern. Bad coffee.

320 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:32:00am

As far as Petraus is concerned - - -

I've heard from more women how they lived thru or divorced because their husband's cheated on them. It doesn't shock me anymore.

It's between him and his wife, AFAIAC.

Why it even became public is beyond me. Because it was newsworthy and a post-election non-bombshell was needed?

Because he was such an upstanding guy? Yeah, so was Tiger Woods.

*bad coffee rant*

321 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:32:00am

re: #258 Vicious Babushka
re: #262 Obdicut

That's terrible reasoning. This is true of anyone, no matter if they're having an affair or just a relationship.

The rules and procedures reflect Satt is right. Good reasoning or not. It's overcautious or paranoid or whatever reasoning. But it's reflected in the rules anyone with a clearance has carefully explained to them. They sign a serious agreement. They live by higher standards via agreement and career.

For example as to how the rules work, look at the Seal Team 6 (Now really Navy SW Dev Gru I think) guys who lost two months pay for just consulting with a game company.

322 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:32:02am

re: #319 Gretchen G.Tiger

I guess, I'm not doing a very good job of articulating my concern. Bad coffee.

No. You are

Just saying, different strokes for different folks

Would it be better if everyone "adopted" a child (not literally, but as you stated, take a few hours a week volunteering in a reading program,, or like our church does, designate a volunteer family to 'adopt" a child in a shelter to make sure they get a good Christmas)

Of course it would be better. But it's not bad (imho) that some people "spend much of their week carting dogs around " either

323 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:32:26am

re: #300 Killgore Trout

I seriously doubt that. In fact I don't think Cantor had anything to do with it. The fact that he knew just shows it wasn't much of a secret.

Rupert friggin Murdoch said he had known about it for months in a tweet, apparently he didn't care enough to even bother to tell Fox. Almost makes you believe that the old man might even have a soul hidden away under that crabby exterior somewhere.

/

324 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:33:18am

re: #311 Gretchen G.Tiger

Very true, yet the people I know seem to spend much of their week carting dogs around when I guess they could spend that time teaching a kid to read.

Yeah but kids are harder to housebreak...

/

325 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:34:15am

re: #324 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Yeah but kids are harder to housebreak...

/

Are you saying my son shouldn't have been in diapers until he was 17?

326 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:34:20am

re: #323 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Rupert friggin Murdoch said he had known about it for months in a tweet, apparently he didn't care enough to even bother to tell Fox. Almost makes you believe that the old man might even have a soul hidden away under that crabby exterior somewhere.

/

Also I think it's clear Mitt's team knew about this and decided not to use it for political leverage. Smart move.

327 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:34:38am

re: #322 sattv4u2

No. You are

Just saying, different strokes for different folks

Would it be better if everyone "adopted" a child (not literally, but as you stated, take a few hours a week volunteering in a reading program,, or like our church does, designate a volunteer family to 'adopt" a child in a shelter to make sure they get a good Christmas)

Of course it would be better. But it's not bad (imho) that some people "spend much of their week carting dogs around " either

I think it's the level of hysteria from certain individuals I know. I don't know. I'm just getting turned-off by them.

328 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:35:47am

I'm going to brew a real pot.

later all

329 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:36:57am

re: #327 Gretchen G.Tiger

I think it's the level of hysteria from certain individuals I know. I don't know. I'm just getting turned-off by them.

Yes. "A" person can (and do) go overboard on ANY "cause"

330 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:38:17am

re: #324 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Yeah but kids are harder to housebreak...

/

OTOH,,,, when I was living back in Massachusetts, if we were having a snowstorm and my son had to take a shit, I didn't have to bundle up and take him outside!!!

331 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:39:27am

re: #323 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Rupert friggin Murdoch said he had known about it for months in a tweet, apparently he didn't care enough to even bother to tell Fox. Almost makes you believe that the old man might even have a soul hidden away under that crabby exterior somewhere.

/

Or skeletons in his own -- or his family's -- closet.

332 andres  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:39:56am

re: #320 Gretchen G.Tiger

As far as Petraus is concerned - - -

I've heard from more women how they lived thru or divorced because their husband's cheated on them. It doesn't shock me anymore.

It's between him and his wife, AFAIAC.

Why it even became public is beyond me. Because it was newsworthy and a post-election non-bombshell was needed?

Because he was such an upstanding guy? Yeah, so was Tiger Woods.

*bad coffee rant*

You are right.

But the affair didn't become of national interest until the FBI was investigation possible leaks.

333 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:41:22am

re: #319 Gretchen G.Tiger

I guess, I'm not doing a very good job of articulating my concern. Bad coffee.

No, I get it. As a society, we don't do enough for children.

But that's true of those of us who aren't deeply involved with animal rescue too.

334 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:42:32am

re: #320 Gretchen G.Tiger

As far as Petraus is concerned - - -

I've heard from more women how they lived thru or divorced because their husband's cheated on them. It doesn't shock me anymore.

It's between him and his wife, AFAIAC.

Why it even became public is beyond me. Because it was newsworthy and a post-election non-bombshell was needed?

Because he was such an upstanding guy? Yeah, so was Tiger Woods.

*bad coffee rant*

Well, when the director of the CIA steps down, there's gonna be talk. The talk is less bad if you know he just got caught in an affair than if you are left to wonder what the hell he did. I guess.

335 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:42:37am

re: #333 SanFranciscoZionist

No, I get it. As a society, we don't do enough for children.

But that's true of those of us who aren't deeply involved with animal rescue too.

yup
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

336 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:46:12am

re: #327 Gretchen G.Tiger

I think it's the level of hysteria from certain individuals I know. I don't know. I'm just getting turned-off by them.

I know a few folks like that...various causes.

337 Lidane  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:48:44am

WAILING AND GNASHING:

Tancredo: Identity Politics Triumph (Google cache link)

Welcome to the U.E.S.A., the United European States of America. If you like the European debt crisis and austerity riots, you are going to love Obama 2.0. If our politics were a video game, it would be rated “R” for repugnant.

It is hard to exaggerate the depth of the crisis America now faces on many levels. The Democratic Party is now officially and irrevocably committed to a poisonous identity politics, having built a winning coalition based on race, sexual orientation, ethnicity and class warfare.

What’s worse, the beltway gurus who pass for Republican leadership appear to want the Republican Party to travel that same road.

So, yes, there are many reasons to be not only disheartened but alarmed by the election results and what they say about our culture and the health of our institutions. Yet, despair is not an acceptable response to adversity. Whether the nation can survive four more years of Obama’s policies is an open question, but it will certainly not survive if patriots desert the field of battle.

338 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:49:31am

Israel 'may launch ground invasion into Gaza'

Israel may launch a ground invasion into Gaza, Benjamin Netanyahu has indicated, after a weekend of escalating cross border violence.

339 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:53:41am

Establishment GOP blames Tea Party, Tea Party blames establishment GOP.

More interesting than Benghazi.

340 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:54:58am

re: #338 Killgore Trout

Israel 'may launch ground invasion into Gaza'

Not good, in light of a Syrian shell landing in the Golan Heights. Their (Syrias) civil war could ignite wider regional conflict.
[Link: www.reuters.com...]

341 Kaessa  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:55:47am

re: #268 sattv4u2

speaking of spies

Anyone seen Skyfall?

Want to go to a movie today and (besides ones that we've already seen) that's the only one that may fit the bill

Saw it yesterday. Go see it, it's worth it.

342 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:56:38am

re: #341 Kaessa

Saw it yesterday. Go see it, it's worth it.

Thanks

343 sattv4u2  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 9:57:30am

re: #341 Kaessa

Saw it yesterday. Go see it, it's worth it.

And back attchya, if you have any interest in Flight. Saw it last week. Another Denzel winner!

344 dragonath  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:04:29am
345 Lidane  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:13:40am

In which Dim Hoft writes a lot, but doesn't say anything:

Ronald Reagan Never Surrendered in the War For Freedom – Even in Defeat (Google cache link)

346 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:16:20am

re: #337 Lidane

Link goes to wrong article BTW...that one is WND and Joseph Farah

347 dragonath  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:18:27am

re: #345 Lidane

Wow, those commenters are nuts.

348 Lidane  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:18:36am

re: #346 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Thanks! It's fixed now.

349 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:21:05am

re: #346 watching you tiny alien kittens are

His article is stealing Bryan Fischers plan, that the house should just refuse to raise the debt ceiling and instantly force a Trillion in cuts across the board.

Just like Fischer he doesn't get it that it would crash the economy worse than the great depression, hack deeply into the military and social programs, etc. All he sees is that it would get rid of funding for planned parenthood, PBS, the NEA, and the department of education.

350 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:26:14am
Fox is derided as Faux News but is really closer to the middle than the other channels.

Ha ha LOL. Anything you say General.

On another note, I'm loving the right's lurch to multiculturalism after deriding it for 25 years. Good luck on that.

351 dragonath  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:27:26am

re: #349 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Big bird is indoctrinating children to become abortion-loving communists!!

352 Lidane  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:28:13am
353 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:30:55am

re: #345 Lidane

In which Dim Hoft writes a lot, but doesn't say anything:

Ronald Reagan Never Surrendered in the War For Freedom – Even in Defeat (Google cache link)

Again, the members of the Cult believe that if they only did a better job of spreading the message that the message would accepted by a wider audience.

Completely leaving out the possibility that the message has been spread, is known, and has been rejected.

354 dragonath  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:33:26am

re: #350 Kronocide

Yeah, this. The alternative reality education system the Right has cultivated for the past few decades isn't going to go quietly into the night. Liberty University is well ensconced within the Conservative movement now.

355 Mattand  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:42:13am

Kristol: It Won’t ‘Kill The Country’ To Raise Taxes On Millionaires

Are conservatives finally joining the rest of us in reality? Or, as one commenter suggested, will Kristol be walking this back in 24 hours once Rush and the rest of nutjobs get wind of this?

356 Kaessa  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:46:26am

re: #343 sattv4u2

And back attchya, if you have any interest in Flight. Saw it last week. Another Denzel winner!

I'll have to check it out. We saw Cloud Atlas last week, and I really liked it. Very deep and convoluted, I want to see it again to catch what I missed the first time around.

357 Mattand  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:46:39am

re: #345 Lidane

In which Dim Hoft writes a lot, but doesn't say anything:

Ronald Reagan Never Surrendered in the War For Freedom – Even in Defeat (Google cache link)

Not once does Hoft say that conservatives need to re-evaluate the policies that led to their defeat.

Not that I was expecting it. Maybe my optimism in my previous post above is unwarranted after all.

358 dragonath  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:48:03am

re: #357 Mattand

Not once does Hoft say that conservatives need re-evaluate the policies that led to their defeat.

Latinos are our friends! Pay no attention to the xenophobic blogs on the sidebar...

359 blueraven  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:48:15am

re: #355 Mattand

Kristol: It Won’t ‘Kill The Country’ To Raise Taxes On Millionaires

Are conservatives finally joining the rest of us in reality? Or, as one commenter suggested, will Kristol be walking this back in 24 hours once Rush and the rest of nutjobs get wind of this?

A couple of weeks ago he admitted the economy was getting better and worried about Mitt's strategy of talking down the economy, when common sense said otherwise.

360 Killgore Trout  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:50:29am

re: #355 Mattand

Kristol: It Won’t ‘Kill The Country’ To Raise Taxes On Millionaires

Are conservatives finally joining the rest of us in reality? Or, as one commenter suggested, will Kristol be walking this back in 24 hours once Rush and the rest of nutjobs get wind of this?

It's too soon to tell but it's not going to happen overnight. It took them a long time to get where they are now and the journey back is going to take years. There's also talk of comprimise on immigration reform and we have no choice but to find middle ground of debt/budget talks. Even if Republican leadership starts becoming more reasonable they're still going to have to reform the ideology of their base to rationalize it. It's going to be very difficult.

361 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:52:58am

re: #345 Lidane

In which Dim Hoft writes a lot, but doesn't say anything:

Ronald Reagan Never Surrendered in the War For Freedom – Even in Defeat (Google cache link)

Oh jeez. Word salad from Dim Jim.

6. Database/Wiki-type site – We need a Wiki-like database of information on subjects of concern to which only Conservative blogs and trusted readers own the keys. Currently, each blog “tags” stories in their database. I’m suggesting a master database that accumulates in an organized fashion all the best, pertinent posts. It wouldn’t list every burp or sniffle posted, just the best information and blog posts. These are some possible topics:

• Reporters/Organizations – this would have tabs on each of the liberal reporters and organizations such as Reuters with explanations of their bias. Every new story we discuss with their byline would include a link to their database where readers can peruse/ridicule/mock them for previous examples of bias.

• Democrat leaders – keep a list of their shameful acts sorted by type of vice.

• Racism – There are a staggering number of examples of Democratic racism. The reason Democrats prattle incessantly about racism is because their history is indefensibly racist and they are masking that fact while they reach out to minorities. Let’s organize the data and relentlessly explain that the Democratic Party is the party of the KKK, Jim Crow, Slavery, anti-Civil Rights, and racist quotas today whenever they try to tag the Republican Party with that slur. It would include, of course, a List of KKK members and party affiliation throughout history.

362 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:53:12am

re: #345 Lidane

In which Dim Hoft writes a lot, but doesn't say anything:

Ronald Reagan Never Surrendered in the War For Freedom – Even in Defeat (Google cache link)

But he qouted THE REAGAN!!! so he didn't really have to say anything that made sense after that. Funny that the quote he chose to publish contradicts the current GOP thinking while he claims it supports it. Ok Jim, explain how this applies to the current GOP platform of slashing government and social programs?

All of the landslide majority did not vote against the conservative philosophy; they voted against a false image our Liberal opponents successfully mounted. Indeed it was a double false image. Not only did they portray us as advancing a kind of radical departure from the status quo, but they took for themselves a costume of comfortable conservatism.

Jim, while you choose to highlight the first half of that paragraph I felt it was second half that needed highlighting. You are making an entirely false analogy to the current situation. Reagan said not to change their positions because they were not wrong, they had merely been falsely portrayed as being wrong by the Dems. That isn't true here, the GOP does want a radical departure from the status quo, a very radical one. Elimination of medicare and the department of education, hugh cuts to medicaid and other social programs, etc, is not a departure from the status quo to you?

Anyway, thank you for making sure that everyone can see for themselves that even Reagan would disagree with the policy you are trying to advance here, every little bit helps. ;)

363 b_Snark  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:53:50am

re: #290 Gretchen G.Tiger

so, the family bought one of those Keurig coffee makers. I can't seem to get decent cuppa out of it. I'm NOT having a good morning.

I may have have two coffee makers on the counter. Mine and theirs.

We have a Keurig and can't get a bad cup from it. We tend to buy the darker blends.

364 b_Snark  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:56:00am

re: #302 Gretchen G.Tiger

So, I see more "lost dogs" and "rescue this dog so he won't be euthanized" posts on my fb.

Now, I'm all for animal rescue, etc. People who abuse animals will also abuse humans, so I really support law enforcement etc in this issue. Yet, I just don't get why so many people are volunteering their time and money on dogs, when there are children who need rescuing.

Makes me wonder a bit about the health of society. Do you think people are going over the edge on this?

Why do you assume they're mutually exclusive?

365 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:57:16am

For all of you Veterans on this site, a big hug, and a fine salute, to thank you for your service, on this Veterans Day, the day we stop & thank you.

366 dragonath  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:57:51am

re: #361 Gus

Ha. Rick Scott's welfare ideas came straight from David Duke. It's not too hard to see what motivates Republicans anymore.

I've got to stop reading this stuff. It's giving me a headache.

367 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:59:06am

re: #366 dragonath

Ha. Rick Scott's welfare ideas came straight from David Duke. It's not too hard to see what motivates Republicans anymore.

I've got to stop reading this stuff. It's giving me a headache.

...

1. Hispanic Blogs – The Conservative blogs (Instapundit, Gateway Pundit, etc.) do a great job for much of America’s online readers but we’re missing 70% of the Hispanic voters who supported Democrats. Our team needs to seed and link to Hispanic blogs of all types: Spanish language, Cuban, Catholic, and even Pro-amnesty but otherwise Conservative (as many Conservatives do support this Bush/Rove stance). Similarly, we could support Portuguese (Brazilian) blogs. Most blogs have a “Favorites” section linking to other blogs but not a “Hispanic Favorites.” I’d suggest going further and listing “Diversity Favorites” to appropriate the language of the left.

368 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:59:51am

3. Hispanic Talk Radio - Conservatives have a stronghold on AM Talk Radio but Rush and Hannity don’t speak Spanish. As I was finalizing this e-mail, listening to Rush, he said he always thought we should have a Spanish translation of Rush. That’s partly the point but we must incubate a dozen other Conservative Spanish/Portuguese speakers and sponsor Spanish-speaking, Conservative Talk Radio stations. Better yet, sponsor Diversity Talk Radio and include Black and Asian Conservatives. Ronald Reagan further honed ideas on Talk Radio in the 70′s; why not Mia Love or Allen West doing the same?

369 dragonath  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:59:59am

re: #367 Gus

AAAAACK! No! Stopit.

370 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:00:20am

Los Angeles has clear and cold dry air with a breeze. Just about perfect for some of those long horizon shots or a sunset/sunset to night city light time lapse sequences. Hmmm. Maybe it's a day to get out and up the hill.


San Gorgonio

371 dragonath  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:00:36am

Also, LOL at taking that quote by Rush seriously.

372 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:01:02am

· Misogyny – This includes attacks on Sarah Palin and others
· Homophobic behavior – There are plenty of liberal examples plus liberal support of anti-gay states like Palestine that torture and execute homosexuals.
· Wasteful spending
· Global warming
· Examples of anti-science beliefs by liberals
· Attacks on Conservatives – Misogyny is just a subset here...

373 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:02:29am

It's the policies stupid.

374 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:03:42am

re: #369 dragonath

AAAAACK! No! Stopit.

Nah, keep it up Gus.

375 dragonath  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:04:29am

So global warming is an example of anti-science beliefs? By Liberals?

Okay.

376 SteelGHAZI  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:07:13am

re: #375 dragonath

So global warming is an example of anti-science beliefs? By Liberals?

Okay.

Projection of the most transparent sort.

377 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:08:44am

Comment there.

Welcome to Obama’s Amerika.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

Warning, Breitfart link. So here's what they said:

In its first mission in the United States, Médecins Sans Frontières/Doctors Without Borders is helping victims of superstorm Sandy which devastated much of the New York metropolitan area. In a makeshift clinic in a laundry room in Far Rockaway, a hard-hit section of Queens, doctors, nurses and medical students assess patients and help them get much needed medication.

A comment there:

We are now, officially, a third-world country. yaaaaaaaay :/

So over at the Médecins Sans Frontières/Doctors Without Borders website I find this:

Hurricane Katrina: MSF's Exploratory Mission to Louisiana
September 6, 2005

On Friday, September 2, a Doctors Without Borders/Médecins Sans Frontières (MSF) team made up of two physicians, a nurse, and two logisticians headed to the Gulf Coast region of the United States to directly assess the unmet emergency medical needs following the disaster. Dr. Darin Portnoy, MSF-USA president, was part of the assessment team that traveled to Louisiana. He describes what the team saw and why, for the time being, MSF has decided not to begin relief operations in the region.

Continues.

Derp.

378 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:11:49am

re: #377 Gus

Comment there.

Warning, Breitfart link. So here's what they said:

A comment there:

So over at the Médecins Sans Frontières/Doctors Without Borders website I find this:

Hurricane Katrina: MSF's Exploratory Mission to Louisiana
September 6, 2005

Derp.

Israel sent a team but of course "that's different!" Does it really matter? Are going to be that arrogant of a nation?

379 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:12:42am

re: #377 Gus

LOL! Breitfart!

380 dragonath  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:14:01am

re: #377 Gus

I'm guessing you didn't get down to the "hispanic colonizers" comment yet.

381 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:16:35am

re: #380 dragonath

I'm guessing you didn't get down to the "hispanic colonizers" comment yet.

Oh jeez.

i get a kick out of all this talk about outreach to the hispanic people. if the hispanic colonizer believed in free enterprise, private property, a worker’s right to the fruits of their labor, a limited scope of government, the left would never had brought them here. if they believed in these ideals they wouldn’t have had to leave their countries. they didn’t come here to preserve the american ideals they were brought here to destroy them.

the only thing that has stood between the communist and worldwide domination was the white american. now that we have let them destroy the white majority its look out world here comes the hammer and sickle.

382 jaunte  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:18:10am

re: #361 Gus

Racism – There are a staggering number of examples of Democratic racism. The reason Democrats prattle incessantly about racism is because their history is indefensibly racist and they are masking that fact while they reach out to minorities. Let’s organize the data and relentlessly explain that the Democratic Party is the party of the KKK, Jim Crow, Slavery, anti-Civil Rights, and racist quotas today whenever they try to tag the Republican Party with that slur. It would include, of course, a List of KKK members and party affiliation throughout history.

I can't believe anyone still takes that seriously after Nixon in 1968.

383 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:20:58am

re: #382 jaunte

We aren't racist because blacks are more racist.

Fake but accurate.

384 jaunte  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:21:12am
the only thing that has stood between the communist and worldwide domination was the white american. now that we have let them destroy the white majority its look out world here comes the hammer and sickle.
385 blueraven  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:22:02am

Israel fires missile into Syria as warning

1:38PM EST November 11. 2012 -

JERUSALEM (AP) — Israel was drawn into the Syrian civil war for the first time on Sunday, firing warning shots into the neighboring country after a stray mortar shell from across the border hit an Israeli military post.

The Israeli military said the mortar fire caused no injuries or damage at the post in the Golan Heights, which Israel captured from Syria in the 1967 Mideast war and then annexed. But in recent weeks, incidents of errant fire from Syria to the north have multiplied, leading Israel to warn that it holds Syria responsible for fire on Israeli-held territory.

"A short while ago, a mortar shell targeted an IDF (Israel Defense Forces) post in the Golan Heights," said army spokeswoman Lt. Col. Avital Leibovich. "We answered with a warning shot toward Syrian areas. We understand this was a mistake and was not meant to target Israel and then that is why we fired a warning shot in retaliation."

386 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:23:29am

re: #382 jaunte

I can't believe anyone still takes that seriously after Nixon in 1968.

Jefferson Davis was a Democrat as was the Confederate south. It's more complex than these bozos seem capable of understanding. Historically one could say the Confederate flag is a flag of the old Democrats or Dixiecrats. Yet you won't find any modern mainstream Democrats flying the Confederate flag but instead Republicans or self-identified libertarians.

387 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:25:50am

re: #386 Gus

Jefferson Davis was a Democrat as was the Confederate south. It's more complex than these bozos seem capable of understanding. Historically one could say the Confederate flag is a flag of the old Democrats or Dixiecrats. Yet you won't find any modern mainstream Democrats flying the Confederate flag but instead Republicans or self-identified libertarians.

It's about ideas and actions, not party letterhead. Up through the Teddy Roosevelt era I would have joined the Republicans.

Idiots.

388 Mattand  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:28:16am

re: #382 jaunte

I can't believe anyone still takes that seriously after Nixon in 1968.

What amazes me is the amount of effort it takes to pretend that no civil rights history took place between Reconstruction and today.

389 jaunte  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:28:22am

"All a y'all lazy illegals and welfare moochers oughta vote Republican, cause the KKK racists used ta be Democrats. It's justa fact."

390 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:28:25am

HOW'D THE LAST TIME WORK OUT FOR YA, DUMB SECESH?

391 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:28:30am

re: #387 Decatur Deb

It's about ideas and actions, not party letterhead. Up through the Teddy Roosevelt era I would have joined the Republicans.

Idiots.

They're so stupid. They think if they get a Spanish speaking Rush Limbaugh that would amount to Latino "outreach". In the first place as far as culture is concerned, right wing talk radio isn't something you'll find many Hispanic listening to. Right wing radio is a primarily a white male and some female listeners. It's sort of like trying to have a successful left wing TALK radio show. Won't happen.

392 dragonfire1981  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:29:01am

re: #349 watching you tiny alien kittens are

His article is stealing Bryan Fischers plan, that the house should just refuse to raise the debt ceiling and instantly force a Trillion in cuts across the board.

Just like Fischer he doesn't get it that it would crash the economy worse than the great depression, hack deeply into the military and social programs, etc. All he sees is that it would get rid of funding for planned parenthood, PBS, the NEA, and the department of education.

I can't help but wonder if they secretly WANT that to happen so the Obama hate spikes up.

393 dragonfire1981  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:29:56am

re: #391 Gus

They're so stupid. They think if they get a Spanish speaking Rush Limbaugh that would amount to Latino "outreach". In the first place as far as culture is concerned, right wing talk radio isn't something you'll find many Hispanic listening to. Right wing radio is a primarily a white male and some female listeners. It's sort of like trying to have a successful left wing radio show. Won't happen.

Left wing people don't listen to the radio???

394 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:30:17am

re: #393 dragonfire1981

Left wing people don't listen to the radio???

Like Rush.

395 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:30:51am

re: #393 dragonfire1981

Left wing people don't listen to the radio???

Click and Clack are in reruns-only.

396 dragonath  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:32:06am

re: #390 Vicious Babushka

HOW'D THE LAST TIME WORK OUT FOR YA, DUMB SECESH?

[Embedded content]

I love when people who consider themselves Paragons of Americanism are the first to agitate for secession.

397 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:32:26am

re: #395 Decatur Deb

Click and Clack are in reruns-only.

Yeah. Stuff like that has a liberal audience. Fresh Air with Terry Gross. Air America is the example I'm thinking of. So OK. The right wingers want to create some kind of massive Hispanic right wing radio program(s)? Good luck.

398 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:36:42am

re: #393 dragonfire1981

Left wing people don't listen to the radio???

Do you understand what I meant now???

399 blueraven  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:36:50am

re: #397 Gus

Yeah. Stuff like that has a liberal audience. Fresh Air with Terry Gross. Air America is the example I'm thinking of. So OK. The right wingers want to create some kind of massive Hispanic right wing radio program(s)? Good luck.


Tito the Builder!

Tito Muñoz, also known by the moniker "Tito the Builder", is a conservative activist[1] who has received substantial media attention for various political campaign activities. During the United States presidential election, 2008, Muñoz became notable for publicly defending Joe Wurzelbacher, and also for campaigning with Sarah Palin.[2] Muñoz is a member of the Virginia state Board of Housing and Community Development,[3] and has a conservative Latino radio show.[4]

400 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:38:31am

re: #399 blueraven


Tito the Builder!

Yeah. I bet he's got a really big Hispanic audience.

//

401 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:39:35am

re: #393 dragonfire1981

Left wing people don't listen to the radio???

re: #394 Gus

Like Rush.

Damn Libruls and their subversive commie "All Things Considered" propaganda on NPR!!!

402 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:43:14am

re: #401 watching you tiny alien kittens are

FM vs AM radio there. Very different audience and ratings base

403 jaunte  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:44:43am

Melissa Harris-Perry's Letter to Jon Husted on His Voter Suppression

"...The voters’ response to your tactics? Not only did the African-American vote not get suppressed—it turned out in historic numbers. In Ohio, African-Americans comprised 15% of the electorate, that’s up from 11% in 2008, and nearly 200,000 more votes.

Latino voters also turned out in larger numbers, and made an even stronger showing for President Obama than in 2008. That’s all despite long lines that wrapped around blocks and hours long waits in frigid temperatures to vote. Because you see, Jon, those voters you tried to suppress have a long memory. They remember when people like them faced literacy tests and poll taxes and arrests and beatings and lynchings and burnings and shootings—all in pursuit of the right to vote. So they would not be deterred by a lack of patience or uncomfortable climate. And they certainly would not be deterred by you."

404 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:45:37am

re: #396 dragonath

I love when people who consider themselves Paragons of Americanism are the first to agitate for secession.

It would cost the CINC nothing to direct DoD J3 to initiate contingency plans to relocate Texas military bases in, say, Minnesota. Should do it for the lulz.

405 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:46:02am

Can't find any radio show for Tito Muñoz. Don't even see any podcasts. What they'd want is something carried on AM radio... Let's see... No wait here's something.

First Spanish talk Show: America Eres TU

Here's the website!

[Link: www.americaerestu.com...]

Oops. It go bye bye already.

406 jaunte  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:47:18am
407 Gus  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:48:29am

Ah. Here's something. They're on UStream.

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

Yeah. You're really going to get to a Hispanic audience with UStream podcasts. Derp. Then they have to listen to Tito. Is it even in Spanish? That Facebook page also reflect the same old wingnut BS we've been seeing for years. So this guy is going to "convert" Hispanics into becoming wingnuts? Is that how it works?

408 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:53:39am

re: #396 dragonath

I love when people who consider themselves Paragons of Americanism are the first to agitate for secession.

The funny thing is they are petitioning the Whitehouse.gov action request site "We the People." It has no legal standing and no requirement that Obama do anything no matter how many signatures a petition gets online. These secession petitions being submitted there is like calling the "Mayors Hotline" and asking for your house be removed from the city property tax rolls instead of just requesting for a pothole to be filled. Not that Obama even has any type of legal authority to grant states secession even if he did want to.

The entire thing is nothing but a stupid PR stunt meant to be a "scary message" to those damn meddling socialist liberals. Guess what wingnuts?
NO. ONE. CARES!

409 Kronocide  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:53:45am

GOP's voter suppression did a better job of getting out the vote than Get Out The Vote campaigns.

Chuckle.

410 Decatur Deb  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 11:54:46am

re: #408 watching you tiny alien kittens are

The funny thing is they are petitioning the Whitehouse.gov action request site "We the People." It has no legal standing and no requirement that Obama do anything no matter how many signatures a petition gets online. These secession petitions being submitted there is like calling the "Mayors Hotline" and asking for your house be removed from the city property tax rolls instead of just requesting for a pothole to be filled. Not that Obama even has any type of legal authority to grant states secession even if he did want to.

The entire thing is nothing but a stupid PR stunt meant to be a "scary message" to those damn meddling socialist liberals. Guess what wingnuts? NO. ONE. CARES!

We'll come for their guns first.

411 Lidane  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:02:52pm

America: Love it or be left behind

These are the people who back in the 1960s became the self-appointed guardians of American identity, the definers of American exceptionalism, whose tribalism was captured by the old snarl: “America: Love it or Leave It,” one of the signs carried by the Hard Hat Rioters of 1970 as they beat up anti-war activists (which I write about it my book.) But maybe it’s time to say to them: “America: Love it or be left behind.”

I love this country, but would never say “love it or leave it.” It’s not in the liberal nature to issue ultimatums like that, or to define American identity unilaterally. But I think the people who are so angry about the Obama years, who want to take their country back (as if it belonged only to them) do have to face reality: if they don’t love the America that’s being born, that’s reflected in the Obama coalition, they’re going to be left behind. They don’t have to get out, but they’ll be increasingly unhappy living here. That’s their choice. I’ll go on looking for ways to reach out to people who seem genuinely not to understand that there’s a place for them here, to help shepherd them to our common future. The hundreds of Ole Miss kids who burned Obama-Biden signs and spewed racial epithets election night? They’re on their own.

412 Lidane  Sun, Nov 11, 2012 12:04:07pm

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