Wikipedia Edit in January Suggests Broadwell Affair With Petraeus Was No Secret

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Milo Wendt noticed an interesting thing about the Wikipedia page for Paula Broadwell, the journalist whose affair with David Petraeus led to his resignation as CIA director.

According to the editing history for her Wikipedia page, on January 26, 2012, about one hour after the page was first created, an anonymous editor added the sentence:

Petraeus is reportedly one of her many conquests.

This addition was removed by another editor shortly afterward (for “libel/vandalism”), and a month later the entire article was deleted. The editing history reappeared when a new article on Paula Broadwell was created recently.

What does it mean? Hard to say; the IP address of the anonymous editor traces to a common ISP, and this appears to be the only edit this person ever made with that IP address. But it strongly suggests that Broadwell’s affair with Petraeus wasn’t exactly a big secret even back in January of this year.

Here’s a screenshot of the comparison between the edited version and the original:

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226 comments
1 The Yankee  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 1:55:29pm

Why couldn't the editor just be some one she rejected or a husband's wife she pissed off.

2 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 1:55:44pm

Obviously this is all about Benghazi.

3 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:05:25pm

re: #2 Kragar

Obviously this is all about Benghazi.

This is about a man who had done great things, but then lost his job and ended up looking like a fool because he was unable to curb his sex drive.

4 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:09:17pm

Might be a weird coincidence. Or she did it herself. It might not actually have gotten widely noticed at the time.

5 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:12:26pm

OT

Speaking to the bigots already on the heels of immigration reform in cooperation with Chuck Schumer.

6 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:15:33pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

This is about a man who had done great things, but then lost his job and ended up looking like a fool because he was unable to curb his sex drive.

BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI!

7 erik_t  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:16:41pm

re: #5 Gus

OT

Speaking to the bigots already on the heels of immigration reform in cooperation with Chuck Schumer.

But remember, Lindsay Graham has made occasionally moderate comments or something and therefore we should totally compromise on this issue for the good of the country.

/spits

8 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:18:14pm

re: #5 Gus

OT

[Embedded content]

Speaking to the bigots already on the heels of immigration reform in cooperation with Chuck Schumer.

If that's how he's going to address the issue, the GOP will continue to get less than 25% of the vote.

BABIES ARE IMMIGRATING ILLEGALLY THROUGH THEIR MOMS' VAGINAS!! BUILD MOAR WALLS!!!

9 Joanne  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:20:13pm

re: #4 Obdicut

Might be a weird coincidence. Or she did it herself. It might not actually have gotten widely noticed at the time.

That was my first thought.

The fatal attraction who was trying to make him unmarried?

I am not blaming her, it is both their faults. No one forced him to All In with his schmendrick.

10 Joanne  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:21:07pm

re: #8 wrenchwench

No wonder GOPers hate vaginas! /

11 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:21:15pm

re: #7 erik_t

But remember, Lindsay Graham has made occasionally moderate comments or something and therefore we should totally compromise on this issue for the good of the country.

/spits

They've flat out become an extremist party. The few moderate they had in the House and Senate are almost gone. Even then you can count them on one hand perhaps two.

12 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:22:07pm

re: #5 Gus

OT

[Embedded content]

Speaking to the bigots already on the heels of immigration reform in cooperation with Chuck Schumer.

But he speaks to a real problem. If we cannot shut down illegal immigration, then we have lost key amounts of control over who can become a citizen, unless 'natural born citizenship' is redefined. I'd rather try to cut down illegal immigration, myself.

13 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:22:48pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

But he speaks to a real problem. If we cannot shut down illegal immigration, then we have lost key amounts of control over who can become a citizen, unless 'natural born citizenship' is redefined. I'd rather try to cut down illegal immigration, myself.

No on fiddling with the 14th Amendment. End of story. No compromise.

14 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:25:12pm

re: #5 Gus

OT

[Embedded content]

Speaking to the bigots already on the heels of immigration reform in cooperation with Chuck Schumer.

Plenty of birthright citizens are born to foreigners here on legitimate work and travel visas. That's a big part of the appeal of an H-1B to many skilled workers, the fact that any children they have here will be citizens. Take that away and America isn't that shining city on a hill anymore.

15 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:25:31pm

re: #6 Kragar

BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI!

Jebus Crimeny that has become the new battle cry of the scorned wingnuts on Facebook. Just when I thought the anti-social network might finally revert back to people showing pictures of their kids and cats and reposting sarcastic meme posters, I have to look at these cut and paste Rush Limbaugh talking points.

16 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:25:45pm

re: #9 Joanne

That was my first thought.

The fatal attraction who was trying to make him unmarried?

I am not blaming her, it is both their faults. No one forced him to All In with his schmendrick.

I haven't made a study of this, but it seems that the General and his biographer were running around together (literally) and flying around together enough to fuel speculation by lots of people. Wikipedia is a weird place to post such speculation, but people have a hard time keeping these things to themselves.

17 RadicalModerate  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:26:10pm

re: #5 Gus

OT

[Embedded content]

Speaking to the bigots already on the heels of immigration reform in cooperation with Chuck Schumer.

I don't get where he's going with this, unless he's planning on attempting to rewrite the 14th Amendment, which can't be changed outside of another Constitutional amendment, because its wording is quite specific on the matter. The idea that 2/3 of the states would agree with this fundamental change is utter fantasy.

Instead, let's look at a simple "legislative" attempt to modify: First and foremost, that plan doesn't have enough votes in the Senate to pass even a straight popular vote. Then, even if it did, President Obama would veto it within 30 seconds of it reaching his desk. On the even more unlikely case of a veto override, outside of maybe Clarence Thomas (whose prior rulings back up this assertion), it would be post-haste tossed by the Supreme Court...well, because it's not even close to being Constitutional.

18 bluecheese  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:26:57pm

well, this is interesting...... I guess.

I'm having a hard time figuring out why I should give a fuck about this whole deal.

Some white-wing website earlier today was all in a froth because supposedly Obama postponed till after the election dudes resignation to avoid controversy.

Couldn't figure out why I should give a fuck about that either.

shrugs.

19 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:27:18pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

This is about a man who had done great things, but then lost his job and ended up looking like a fool because he was unable to curb his sex drive.

37 years of Marriage mostly separated by long distances. I seriously doubt this was the first tryst. Just the first one that someone blabbed about on Wikipedia. Probably another other woman.

20 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:27:30pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

But he speaks to a real problem. If we cannot shut down illegal immigration, then we have lost key amounts of control over who can become a citizen, unless 'natural born citizenship' is redefined. I'd rather try to cut down illegal immigration, myself.

How about we reform LEGAL immigration first and make it a more coherent process?

We can't do shit about illegal immigration as long as the legal path to citizenship is such a clusterfuck.

21 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:28:14pm

re: #13 Gus

No on fiddling with the 14th Amendment. End of story. No compromise.

That too. FUCK that noise. Absolutely not.

The Neo-Confederates and bigots might want to screw with the 14th Amendment, but in a sane country we won't do that.

22 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:28:29pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

But he speaks to a real problem. If we cannot shut down illegal immigration, then we have lost key amounts of control over who can become a citizen, unless 'natural born citizenship' is redefined. I'd rather try to cut down illegal immigration, myself.

There's a town on the border that has no hospital. Women in labor show up at the border and are taken to the nearest hospital, which is in the US. It's a humanitarian act. And there is no illegal immigration involved, and we get a new baby citizen. How would you handle that?

23 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:28:56pm

AW SHIT.

I forgot my phone at work. Why did I do that?

I'm sure it will still be in my cubicle tomorrow. It's not an iPhone or Android or anything, just a crappy Motorola Z3.

24 RadicalModerate  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:29:06pm

re: #18 bluecheese

well, this is interesting...... I guess.

I'm having a hard time figuring out why I should give a fuck about this whole deal.

Some white-wing website earlier today was all in a froth because supposedly Obama postponed till after the election dudes resignation to avoid controversy.

Couldn't figure out why I should give a fuck about that either.

shrugs.

Does that website also claim that Eric Cantor is somehow part of this so-called conspiracy, since he knew of Petraeus' affair a full week before Obama did?

25 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:30:18pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

But he speaks to a real problem. If we cannot shut down illegal immigration, then we have lost key amounts of control over who can become a citizen, unless 'natural born citizenship' is redefined. I'd rather try to cut down illegal immigration, myself.

No, Dark, the goal isn't ever 0 illegal immigrants, not in the real world. The illegal immigrants come here because economic conditions allow it-- we have enough employers willing to pay them under the table or through faked social security numbers, etc. But they're filling an economic niche. The only reasons not to make them Americans (provided they could pass a citizenship test) would be the economic one: that someone else would then have to fill those jobs.

However, it is really not impossible to crack down on those employing illegal immigrants and force them to pay better wages and treat their employees with more decency. If it becomes non-economic for employers to employ illegals-- with massive fines, lots of enforcement, etc., then we could open up the borders to a lot more immigrants than we have now, because we'd have jobs for them. And don't believe the thing about how much our food would cost if we paid them a decent wage-- it's not true. There's plenty of profit margin to pay those workers well.

So, the answer to illegal immigration is progressive labor reform.

26 bluecheese  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:30:58pm

re: #24 RadicalModerate

Does that website also claim that Eric Cantor is somehow part of this so-called conspiracy, since he knew of Petraeus' affair a full week before Obama did?

somthin....

I don 't know.

who cares about what Cantor knew?

27 erik_t  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:34:24pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

But he speaks to a real problem. If we cannot shut down illegal immigration, then we have lost key amounts of control over who can become a citizen, unless 'natural born citizenship' is redefined. I'd rather try to cut down illegal immigration, myself.

Kid is born in the United States, he or she is a citizen. Where's the "real problem" here?

I mean, we both know the answer, but I want you to say it.

28 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:35:29pm

re: #26 bluecheese

somthin....

I don 't know.

who cares about what Cantor knew?

Nobody. He isn't a player in the matter. He only revealed that he knew something was up in the interests of disclosure.

29 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:36:10pm

re: #20 Lidane

How about we reform LEGAL immigration first and make it a more coherent process?

We can't do shit about illegal immigration as long as the legal path to citizenship is such a clusterfuck.

I have a good friend from Detroit in his mid twenties. His parents brought him here illegally when he was 5 and he lived his whole life in and around SW Detroit. So he decides one day a couple years ago to see about becoming legal. He gets a lawyer to advise him and they prepare the forms and based on the lawyer's advice he willingly goes before a judge to plead his case to stay here legally. The lawyer says it will be a piece of cake. He has lived here his whole life and doesn't even have any family to speak of in Mexico after 20-some years.

So the judge listens for a couple minutes, then slams the gavel and orders him incarcerated and deported immediately. He went to jail and then they stuck him on a plane and dropped him off in Juarez, leaving everything else behind.

It took him two years to get back, during which time his GF and buddies had to sell off what he had and send him cash Western Union to fight his way back in legally.

I'm, thinking, we have how many illegal aliens here, and you go and deport the law abiding decent guy who came willingly to the court to become legal so he could stay here in the only country he has ever known.

Tell me that isn't a fucked up way to deal with this problem. The lesson, stay in the shadows and don't even try to comply.

30 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:36:57pm

re: #25 Obdicut

The illegal immigrants come here because economic conditions allow it-- we have enough employers willing to pay them under the table or through faked social security numbers, etc. But they're filling an economic niche. The only reasons not to make them Americans (provided they could pass a citizenship test) would be the economic one: that someone else would then have to fill those jobs.

However, it is really not impossible to crack down on those employing illegal immigrants and force them to pay better wages and treat their employees with more decency. If it becomes non-economic for employers to employ illegals-- with massive fines, lots of enforcement, etc., then we could open up the borders to a lot more immigrants than we have now, because we'd have jobs for them. And don't believe the thing about how much our food would cost if we paid them a decent wage-- it's not true. There's plenty of profit margin to pay those workers well.

So, the answer to illegal immigration is progressive labor reform.

THIS.

As long as businesses are willing to hire illegal immigrants, then illegal immigrants will come here. At the same time, as some of these newer immigration laws have shown, Americans aren't automatically willing to take those jobs once the illegal labor is stopped. Just cracking down on the illegal hires isn't enough.

Progressive labor reform, complete reformation of our LEGAL immigration process, and amnesty for the law-abiding undocumented people that are already here is a good start towards reform. Screwing around with the 14th Amendment? Not so much.

31 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:38:10pm

Withdrawn.

32 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:39:26pm

bbl

33 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:39:47pm

The GOP southern stronghold is rife with businesses who hire illegals and pay them cash money. Just like so many other legal citizens work in the South. This is one of the big reasons why the Bible Belt has 9 of the top 10 States for people who do not pay income tax. So many of them work for cash to specifically avoid paying taxes. But don't question their patriotism.

34 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:41:35pm

re: #33 Mich-again

The GOP southern stronghold is rife with businesses who hire illegals and pay them cash money. Just like so many other legal citizens work in the South. This is one of the big reasons why the Bible Belt has 9 of the top 10 States for people who do not pay income tax. So many of them work for cash to specifically avoid paying taxes. But don't question their patriotism.

Yeah, but they're just the help. It's not our fault that Consuelo and Lupe have to be paid in cash. It's Obama's fault for letting them cross the border illegally.

///

35 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:42:21pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that if a government cannot control who enters the country and has to grant citizenship to anyone born in the country, even if their parents were here illegally, then that government has lost much of its control over who becomes a citizen. I do not consider that a positive development.

But that's how it's been since the beginning of our country, Dark. It will never change. And it shouldn't change.

What greater ethical right do you have to American citizenship than my friend Eric, who was born here to parents who had overstayed his visa? He went to school, worked hard, got a good job, became a productive member of society. Why is that a problem?

Why would it be a problem if he was brought here by his parents when he was five, for that matter?

You keep asserting that it's a problem-- make your case for why it is one, instead of asserting it.

36 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:43:09pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that if a government cannot control who enters the country and has to grant citizenship to anyone born in the country, even if their parents were here illegally, then that government has lost much of its control over who becomes a citizen. I do not consider that a positive development.

Tough shit.

The US Constitution is quite clear on who is considered a "natural-born citizen"; whether the parents are born here, are naturalized citizens, are registered non-resident aliens, or are here illegally, it makes no difference for the children.

They are citizens, period; this bullshit about wingnuts wanting to change this is exactly that: bullshit. And bigoted bullshit, at that.

37 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:43:39pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that if a government cannot control who enters the country and has to grant citizenship to anyone born in the country, even if their parents were here illegally, then that government has lost much of its control over who becomes a citizen. I do not consider that a positive development.

It's been that way for centuries, Dark. The Pilgrims were illegal immigrants.

38 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:45:49pm

Withdrawn.

39 JamesWI  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:46:22pm

Funny that the same sort of people who are against abortion in cases of rape or incest because "the baby shouldn't be punished" for the crime of a biological parent.......are all in favor of taking away a baby's birthright citizenship due to the actions of their biological parents.

40 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:46:29pm

Evening Lizardim.

41 JamesWI  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:46:37pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

Because giving up power by default like that is Weakness, and I see weakness as inviting attack.

TERROR BABIES

42 gwangung  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:47:52pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that if a government cannot control who enters the country and has to grant citizenship to anyone born in the country, even if their parents were here illegally, then that government has lost much of its control over who becomes a citizen. I do not consider that a positive development.

Screw you. You're talking about me and my family.

Don't tell me that we aren't a net plus for this country. Don't you DARE tell us that we are a weakness to this country.

43 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:48:24pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

Because giving up power by default like that is Weakness, and I see weakness as inviting attack.

So basically, you're arguing that the Dred Scott decision was the correct one, right? I mean, the Citizenship Clause in the 14th Amendment basically overruled Dred by saying that yes, people born in the United States were citizens.

44 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:48:25pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

Because giving up power by default like that is Weakness, and I see weakness as inviting attack.

Our country derives most of its strength from the hard work of immigrants of all statuses. Our diversity is a strength. Our attractiveness to foreigners all over the world is a strength.

Fear of illegal immigration is a weakness.

45 erik_t  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:48:29pm

re: #25 Obdicut

And don't believe the thing about how much our food would cost if we paid them a decent wage-- it's not true. There's plenty of profit margin to pay those workers well.

Simple calculations show that, even the most wildly outrageous approximations, things wouldn't change dramatically.

Pew estimated 7.2 million illegal workers in the United States in 2006 (just a number I could find conveniently).

BLS gives a total average food spending of $6,458 per family unit in 2011, times 122.3 million family units, for a total consumer food spending of about 790 billion dollars.

Let's say the illegal workers all work in the fields. This is obviously a highly conservative assumption.

Let's say they currently make nothing. Free labor. This is obviously a highly conservative assumption.

Let's pay them a legal wage, $10/hr equivalent over 40 hours a week, 52 weeks a year. A pittance, $20,100 a year, but a legal wage.

Multiply it out and you'd be adding 150 billion dollars to food spending. This is a big number, but so's the other one. Food costs would rise about 19%.

Again, these are outrageously conservative assumptions. Median migrant farmworker wage is allegedly in the $7000/yr range (not zero), and the total number of migrant farmworkers (and families!) is between one and three million (not 7.2 million workers). Throw on a 7/20 multiplier and a 1/7 multiplier, I bet the total cost increase would be low single-digit percent.

Unfortunately math is effeminate and gay and probably cannot be trusted.

46 RadicalModerate  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:49:27pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

Because giving up power by default like that is Weakness, and I see weakness as inviting attack.

You're saying that a Constitutionally-guaranteed status is "giving up power", and is "weakness" that invites attack?

Got any other amendments that you'd like to see tossed because they violate your personal beliefs?

47 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:49:31pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

Because giving up power by default like that is Weakness, and I see weakness as inviting attack.

Dude, make sense. That just sounds like a crazy person. Nothing is being given up. We have made it so that anyone who is born here, even if their parents are here illegally, is a citizen. That is not giving up power, that is using power. It is something that has made the US mightily powerful, and is one of the main reasons that we are the destination of hungry, skilled laborers even now during this recession.

What you see as a weakness is one of the fundamental tenets of our democracy. We're all born equal before the eyes of the law.

That is the United States of America.

48 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:49:51pm

Fear of losing or lacking control is also a weakness.

49 erik_t  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:50:14pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that if a government cannot control who enters the country and has to grant citizenship to anyone born in the country, even if their parents were here illegally, then that government has lost much of its control over who becomes a citizen. I do not consider that a positive development.

So what you're saying is you hate equality. Because you do.

Real special fella, you are.

50 JamesWI  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:50:26pm

In case anyone is missing it, DF is making the same argument as Louis "TERROR BABIES" Gohmert.

Somehow, giving these babies citizenship leads to an "attack."

51 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:52:14pm

re: #39 JamesWI

Funny that the same sort of people who are against abortion in cases of rape or incest because "the baby shouldn't be punished" for the crime of a biological parent.......are all in favor of taking away a baby's birthright citizenship due to the actions of their biological parents.

Sorry mam, the law says you have to have the baby and then after that we have to deport him.

52 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:52:43pm

This was quite a conversation to jump into. But to reiterate: Somehow it is a weakness to have such an open citizenship policy, because citizen-terrorists. Guess what: We already have citizen-terrorists, does Timothy McVeigh ring any bells? Why toss out the baby with the bathwater, to use a tired old expression?

53 erik_t  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:54:38pm

I didn't realize MOAR POWER was actually an honest-to-god top-level deliverable in a free fucking country like the United States of America that I thought I lived in.

Just the absolute utter worst kind of Bad Craziness. I am astonished. I'm glad other people quoted this vile horror before it got deleted.

54 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:55:32pm

re: #52 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

I just think a we should have enough control over our borders to allow in most those we want to allow in. i don't want to amend the Constitution, but I'm a rather fearful soul and I don't like to just give up.

That doesn't make sense, I know, but its the best I've got.

55 gwangung  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:56:03pm

re: #50 JamesWI

In case anyone is missing it, DF is making the same argument as Louis "TERROR BABIES" Gohmert.

Somehow, giving these babies citizenship leads to an "attack."

We have several real life counter examples to the "terror babies" argument. One of the most prominent of them are Chinese Americans, a large proportion of which were born to paper sons, who were illegal immigrants, and people who took advantage of the 1906 San Francisco earthquake, where a large portion of immigration records were destroyed.

Yeah. Right. Have more Chinese Americans are weakening this country.

56 Mich-again  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:56:04pm

If your religion stops at the border, its not a religion.

57 RadicalModerate  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:56:11pm

re: #50 JamesWI

In case anyone is missing it, DF is making the same argument as Louis "TERROR BABIES" Gohmert.

Somehow, giving these babies citizenship leads to an "attack."

We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White children!!!

(or something very close to that effect)
When it comes to nationalist, nativist BS, I do NOT play nice-guy.

58 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:59:05pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

It's not giving up. Where the fuck is this coming from? The fourteenth makes us strong. It is far far better than having an underclass of non-citizen children running around-- and we know, because we have those too. But at least they know their children will be US citizens. That path to citizenship is part of what causes people to want to come here to live their lives, and that makes us strong.

It is so weird that you look at one of the fundamental strengths of the US and you see a weakness. I just don't even know how to respond to that.

59 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 2:59:08pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

I just think a we should have enough control over our borders to allow in most those we want to allow in. i don't want to amend the Constitution, but I'm a rather fearful soul and I don't like to just give up.

That doesn't make sense, I know, but its the best I've got.

I just don't see how it matters. People from both within and without are going to want to blow us up, that's just the nature of humanity. We don't need to be afraid, however, we just need to be vigilant and ensure that our government knows how to handle itself. Being paranoid about immigration policy doesn't solve any problems.

60 erik_t  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:01:53pm

re: #58 Obdicut

It is so weird that you look at one of the fundamental strengths of the US and you see a weakness. I just don't even know how to respond to that.

This is your brain on Pat Buchanan.

61 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:02:33pm

re: #58 Obdicut

It's not giving up. Where the fuck is this coming from? The fourteenth makes us strong. It is far far better than having an underclass of non-citizen children running around-- and we know, because we have those too. But at least they know their children will be US citizens. That path to citizenship is part of what causes people to want to come here to live their lives, and that makes us strong.

It is so weird that you look at one of the fundamental strengths of the US and you see a weakness. I just don't even know how to respond to that.

Look at it as I'm likely being irrational. I'm under a good deal of stress and looking at a key interviews later this week for jobs I really want. The overall pressure is getting to me.

62 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:02:38pm

re: #54 Dark_Falcon

I just think a we should have enough control over our borders to allow in most those we want to allow in. i don't want to amend the Constitution, but I'm a rather fearful soul and I don't like to just give up.

That doesn't make sense, I know, but its the best I've got.

We have perfectly adequate control over our borders. We aren't stopping all smuggling, but we aren't in danger of anything except being ruled by our fears, many of which are drummed up by right-wing fascist control freaks and racists who fear becoming minorities, possibly because they expect to be treated with the same contempt they wish on current minorities.

Here's a related topic. I know you want the best for our veterans. Does that include the men described in this story?

63 erik_t  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:03:37pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

Look at it as I'm likely being irrational. I'm under a good deal of stress and looking at a key interviews later this week for jobs I really want. The overall pressure is getting to me.

I'm sorry man, and I really wish you the best in the job hunt and all that, but the overall pressure is exposing your true belief system.

64 Joanne  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:03:46pm

re: #16 wrenchwench

I haven't made a study of this, but it seems that the General and his biographer were running around together (literally) and flying around together enough to fuel speculation by lots of people. Wikipedia is a weird place to post such speculation, but people have a hard time keeping these things to themselves.

Well, I could see them going all over hell and creation because she was writing his bio - or whatever it was. That alone doesn't an affair make. But, that alone does make gossip.

Granted, in this case, gossip was truth.

65 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:04:20pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

Look at it as I'm likely being irrational. I'm under a good deal of stress and looking at a key interviews later this week for jobs I really want. The overall pressure is getting to me.

You can take some pressure off of yourself by ridding yourself of irrational fears. Control of our southern border is one of them.

66 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:04:35pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

Look at it as I'm likely being irrational. I'm under a good deal of stress and looking at a key interviews later this week for jobs I really want. The overall pressure is getting to me.

Take a deep breath. Or ten. We've all been overstressed before. Find something to do to help you handle it.

67 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:07:18pm

re: #65 wrenchwench

You can take some pressure off of yourself by ridding yourself of irrational fears.

THIS. SO MUCH.

Honestly, having a reality-based outlook on life goes a lot farther in reducing stress.

68 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:09:16pm

Only when you have no fear of losing control can you find true strength, grasshopper.

69 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:10:19pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

Look at it as I'm likely being irrational. I'm under a good deal of stress and looking at a key interviews later this week for jobs I really want. The overall pressure is getting to me.

It sure seems irrational, especially with your knowledge of US history, and your knowledge of reality. Really, it goes back to what I said first-- if we actually reform the labor market, undocumented aliens will be a much smaller problem.

Where you're heading deprives the US of a great strength-- that birthright citizenship means that everyone in the country has a stake in the country, even undocumented aliens, for the sake of their children if not their own-- in order to not really solve a problem. You wouldn't stop illegal immigration-- they'd still come for the jobs-- but you'd just make the plight of immigrants more dire and give them less reason to be loyal to the US. You'd weaken America.

70 JamesWI  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:10:26pm

Whenever I feel stressed out, I dream of taking away citizenship from newborn babies. The stress just melts away. /

71 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:13:02pm

re: #61 Dark_Falcon

Look at it as I'm likely being irrational. I'm under a good deal of stress and looking at a key interviews later this week for jobs I really want. The overall pressure is getting to me.

This is a serious, heartfelt reading suggestion.

72 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:14:28pm

re: #70 JamesWI

I'm not a sadist like Bryan Fischer. The idea of punishing the innocent gives me no pleasure.

73 SpaceJesus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:14:37pm

Freep responds to the fact that 69% of the Jewish vote went to Obama


[Link: freerepublic.com...]

To: MadIsh32

We love Israel but the LIEberal ‘chosen ones’....uggghhhhh.
Now we understand Dear Lord why you put them out in the desert for 40 long years.

4 posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2012 6:06:16 PM by tflabo

To: GraceG
For crying out loud, Evangelical Christians show more support for Israel than American Jews do judging by voting patterns.
24 posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2012 10:02:59 PM by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)

To: MadIsh32

other than their overwhelming influence in our media and popular culture I could really give a damn about Jews vote

26 posted on Wednesday, November 07, 2012 10:12:15 PM by wardaddy (wanna know how my kin felt during Reconstruction in Mississippi, you fixin to find out firsthand)

74 SpaceJesus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:15:51pm

And on the 75% Asian vote for Obama

To: only1percent

Oh, great! “Asians” act just like Jews now.

30 posted on Thursday, November 08, 2012 2:37:38 PM by BlueStateRightist

75 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:17:22pm

re: #74 SpaceJesus

And on the 75% Asian vote for Obama

Image: F-Rabbi-1211-Imapct.jpg

76 philosophus invidius  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:17:32pm

re: #73 SpaceJesus

We also need to distrust all our "friends" who do approve of Jews' voting habits.

77 SpaceJesus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:18:24pm

re: #76 philosophus invidius

?

78 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:18:44pm

re: #71 wrenchwench

This is a serious, heartfelt reading suggestion.

Thanks. Sorry I was being an ass, folks. I'll likely be back later, and if so I'll be calmer.

79 RadicalModerate  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:18:56pm

Just waiting for the call from the anti-birthright group to call for building a tall razorwire fence bordering here:

Image: There_be_immigrants.jpg

80 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:19:40pm

Ohh boy. Reminds me of "Doctors Hate This!!"
Huffpo headline
Two Simple Spy Tricks That David Petraeus Could Have Used To Hide His Affair

They suggest that Petraus and his mistress should have just encrypted their emails Hmmm. No reason to think a CIA official using encryption in non official emails would raise any red flags at all right?

Oh and they could have just erased them right away and akll would have been fine. Huh? Are emails not in long term archives at ISP's to say nothing of the FBI black boxes at ISP's?

81 freetoken  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:21:16pm

Speaking of Petraeus, Bob Wright chimes in with what I think is a good point:

The Real David Petraeus Scandal

When, in the fall of 2011, David Petraeus moved from commanding the Afghanistan war effort to commanding the CIA, it was a disturbingly natural transition. I say "natural" because the CIA conducts drone strikes in the Afghanistan-Pakistan region and is involved in other military operations there, so Petraeus, in his new role, was continuing to fight the Afghanistan war. I say "disturbingly" because this overlap of Pentagon and CIA missions is the result of a creeping militarization of the CIA that may be undermining America's national security.

[...]

The militarization of the CIA raises various questions. For example, if the CIA is psychologically invested in a particular form of warfare--and derives part of its budget from that kind of warfare--can it be trusted to impartially assess the consequences, both positive and negative, direct and indirect?

[...]

82 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:21:47pm

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

Thanks. Sorry I was being an ass, folks. I'll likely be back later, and if so I'll be calmer.

It happens. Relax and have fun.

83 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:23:33pm

Charles I see you restored the comment search feature. Is that what you were testing? If so it works well, hopefully not choking up the flow?

84 freetoken  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:24:01pm

Vanity Fair begs:

Michael Steele for R.N.C. Chair! Please, Oh Please

Hehehe... I think it'd be a wowser.

My inner cynic tells me that the GOP will find some hispanic figurehead to be the chair if the RNC.

85 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:29:44pm

re: #75 Obdicut

Image: F-Rabbi-1211-Imapct.jpg

That kicks ass.

86 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:31:35pm

re: #83 Daniel Ballard

Charles I see you restored the comment search feature. Is that what you were testing? If so it works well, hopefully not choking up the flow?

Yes, it's back, with optimized MySQL code. Still uses pagination, because I'm using a better way to get the info now. Seems to work a lot faster.

87 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:31:42pm
88 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:32:03pm

re: #79 RadicalModerate

Just waiting for the call from the anti-birthright group to call for building a tall razorwire fence bordering here:

Image: There_be_immigrants.jpg

Except for the storm impact I'd be making Joisey jokes. Too soon, citizens.

89 RadicalModerate  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:36:34pm

re: #80 Daniel Ballard

Ohh bioy. Reminds me of "Doctors Hate This!!"
Huffpo headline
Two Simple Spy Tricks That David Petraeus Could Have Used To Hide His Affair

They suggest that Petraus and his mistress should have just encrypted their emails Hmmm. No reason to think a CIA official using encryption in non official emails would raise any red flags at all right?

Oh and they could have just erased them right away and akll would have been fine. Huh? Are emails not in long term archives at ISP's to say nothing of the FBI black boxes at ISP's?

Here's my take on the whole deal, and the Obama administration's handling of it.

First of all, Petraeus is the one who had the affair. Not a single item that happened afterward would have taken place, had that fact not happened.

Second, it is my belief that Obama would have allowed him to quietly retire at some time during the second term, upon his learning of the affair. Typically, this is how similar issues are handled within the beltway - minimal political impact to all individuals involved.

Finally, the game changer here was the fact that Petraeus may well have leaked confidential information to his mistress. When the FBI notified both the President and Cantor over this, all bets were off. He was pretty much given an ultimatum of immediately stepping down. Keep in mind, he was still spared the humiliation of being publicly fired by the administration, which given the facts as we know them now, he had every right to do.

The fact that Eric Cantor (who knew of the affair well before the White House did) didn't raise a huge pre-election stink over this is extremely telling, because a potential scandal like this could have severely damaged Obama politically if he blew the whistle before Election Day - there's no way in hell that the Republicans would have given a pass on this unless they had a really good reason to do so.

90 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:37:05pm

The kid's mother is a citizen, so it's not like the cases I described earlier.

A baby girl born at a South Texas border crossing will carry a name inspired by the U.S. customs officer who held her first after her 19-year-old mother gave birth.

U.S. Customs and Border Protection said in a statement Monday that a U.S. citizen was a passenger in a vehicle that arrived Saturday at the bridge between Brownsville, Texas and Matamoros, Mexico.

The driver of the vehicle announced that the woman was about to give birth.

With medical help still on the way, officer Jaime Padron held the newborn child while colleague Marvin Prazelini helped the mother. The child was named Jamie.

The agency says Jamie and her mother were in good health. It did not identify the mother or the driver of the vehicle.

Border Patrol Agents are mostly kind, caring people.

91 freetoken  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:37:20pm

Looking at comments at wingnut sites, on stories about Petraeus, one sees a battle for control of the talking point, between those who want to discuss only BENGHAZI!! and those who are still in denial that one of their military gods is a failed husband.

Difficult it must be, on the dark side to play.

92 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:38:13pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

I'm not a sadist like Bryan Fischer. The idea of punishing the innocent gives me no pleasure.

Why do you think punishing the innocent gives Fischer pleasure? He's just as ruled by fear of a non-white America as you are.

93 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:41:38pm

I could write a lengthy article about the differences between MySQL 4 and 5 now. I ran into some significant issues because of those differences.

One of them was my use of the SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS option to combine two queries into one, in the search function -- the COUNT(*) query to get the total number of items and the SELECT query to actually get a subset of those items.

In MySQL 4, it was quite a bit faster to use SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS with the SELECT query, and skip the COUNT(*) query altogether.

In the latest version on the new DB server, the opposite is true; in fact, SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS is what's commonly known as A BAD IDEA. It's a lot slower, and was causing real log jams.

(I used the profiling feature of PHPMyAdmin to help diagnose all this stuff, btw.)

In the latest MySQL, the type of DB table we use for comments is actually optimized to make the count function almost instantaneous, so it ends up being much, much faster to do two queries.

94 RadicalModerate  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:42:44pm

re: #92 goddamnedfrank

Why do you think punishing the innocent gives Fischer pleasure? He's just as ruled by fear of a non-white America as you are.

Given Fischer's statements on women's rights, race, and religion, I'd say that he takes great pleasure in causing anguish to innocent individuals.

95 freetoken  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:47:04pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Waaayyy back when I took a database class, when "SQL" predecessor was called by more than its acronym, it was a really big deal to have a relational database management system.

Today, everybody can have on on their own computer.

How times change.

96 freetoken  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:48:20pm

Ouch:

Romney Got No Votes In 59 Philadelphia Precincts?

97 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:49:28pm

re: #96 freetoken

Ouch:

Romney Got No Votes In 59 Philadelphia Precincts?

FRAUD!!!

98 RadicalModerate  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:49:35pm

re: #95 freetoken

Waaayyy back when I took a database class, when "SQL" predecessor was called by more than its acronym, it was a really big deal to have a relational database management system.

Today, everybody can have on on their own computer.

How times change.

Just think about how things would have been handled if you were still limited to flat-form database structures.

*shudder*

99 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:50:33pm

re: #94 RadicalModerate

Given Fischer's statements on women's rights, race, and religion, I'd say that he takes great pleasure in causing anguish to innocent individuals.

This is just another way of saying that the guy is a disingenuous troll who's only real motivation is to spread misery. Utterly ridiculous, Fischer is a true believer, scared shitless that the overwhelmingly white male christian dominated country he grew up in has finally passed its sell by date.

100 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:52:08pm

re: #96 freetoken

Ouch:

Romney Got No Votes In 59 Philadelphia Precincts?

Hurr Hurr! New Black Panthers! (really just one old Black guy holding the door open)

101 freetoken  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:55:00pm

Because it's never too early to talk about 2016:

Insiders: Look to Florida for Strongest 2016 GOP Candidate

Among Democrats, Bush received a near majority of the votes, 47 percent, among the eight choices presented. New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie received the second most tallies, at 28 percent, and no other contender managed to receive more than 15 percent of the vote share.

Who would be the strongest Republican presidential nominee in 2016?


........... Democrats (91 votes) Republicans (88 votes)
Jeb Bush .......... 47% 27%
Chris Christie .... 28% 8%
Bobby Jindal ....... 1% 3%
Susana Martinez .... 2% 2%
Rand Paul .......... 0% 0%
Marco Rubio ........ 13% 40%
Paul Ryan ........... 1% 9%
Rick Santorum ....... 2% 9%

102 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:55:02pm

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

This is just another way of saying that the guy is a disingenuous troll who's only real motivation is to spread misery. Utterly ridiculous, Fischer is a true believer, scared shitless that the overwhelmingly while male christian dominated country he grew up in has finally passed its sell by date.

Never talked to the guy, but he could be explained by deep perverted belief or deep mercenary cynicism. Contempt for his statements is pretty much equal either way.

--Magical Condemnation Demon.

103 EPR-radar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:55:20pm

Well, the US having sensible control over its own borders, by itself, is not a problem. It just needs to be done on some rational basis. Some thoughts:

1) Altering the birthright citizenship provision of the 14th amendment is out of the question. Conservatives are supposed to know their history, and really should know better than to touch this.

2) The reason we have lots of illegal immigrants is because people with legal status issues can be paid less and exploited more heavily by employers than people without these issues. Thus, it comes down to a labor issue, as noted up-thread.

3) Big business interests in both parties are content with the status quo for this reason. Fixing the status of people who are presently illegal, by itself, is useless, because new illegal immigrants will work for less.

4) A completely unrestricted immigration policy (e.g., just register anyone who want to come to work) would drop the bottom out of the US labor market even worse that what we're seeing with job outsourcing etc. I oppose it for that reason.

5) Security and immigration need to be treated as completely separate issues.

6) Quotas by national origin (e.g, as under pre-1965 law) are not an option.

It will be interesting to see what happens on this issue because it causes intra-party conflict in both Republicans and Democrats. It is also useful to note that there does not appear to be any success story on this issue from anywhere else in the world (e.g., guest worker issues in Europe are probably worse)

104 freetoken  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:55:41pm

Is the world ready for another "President Bush"?

105 freetoken  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:58:42pm

Romney earned zero votes in some urban precincts

[...]


The Phildadelphia Inquirer reported today that, in 59 precincts in inner-city Philadelphia, the GOP nominee received not a single vote. And according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, nine precincts in Cleveland returned zero Romney votes.

At first blush, it seems almost impossible: how, even in some of the most heavily Democratic strongholds in the country, could a major party's presidential candidate fail to earn even one vote?

Incredulous Republicans might be tempted to indict voter fraud as a culprit - in reaction to the numbers, Steve Miskin, a spokesman for Republicans in Pennsylvania's state legislature touted the state's voter ID law, which did not apply to last Tuesday's election, and avowed a need to "continue ensuring the integrity of the ballot."

But, as is often the case, the reality is less salacious than the conspiracy theory - a consequence of demography, not electoral shenanigans.


[...]

106 RadicalModerate  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:59:15pm

re: #99 goddamnedfrank

This is just another way of saying that the guy is a disingenuous troll who's only real motivation is to spread misery. Utterly ridiculous, Fischer is a true believer, scared shitless that the overwhelmingly while male christian dominated country he grew up in has finally passed its sell by date.

You're telling me that his statements claiming natural disasters are a "gift from God" punishing those non-believers (he did so for Hurricanes Sandy and Katrina, the Tohoku tsunami and Haiti earthquakes) aren't his taking personal glee at the pain of innocent individuals?

107 darthstar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 3:59:15pm

Now THAT'S what I call a FLOTUS.

Image: 530890_10151115104962592_319505617_n.jpg

Yowza! (Let conservative 'splodey heads 'splode)

108 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:03:15pm

re: #107 darthstar

Now THAT'S what I call a FLOTUS.

Image: 530890_10151115104962592_319505617_n.jpg

Yowza! (Let conservative 'splodey heads 'splode)

She really knows how to wear a dress. What a knockout.

109 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:04:10pm

re: #105 freetoken

Romney earned zero votes in some urban precincts

Either here on on another site, someone posted data showing this is a historical trend in that area, including pre-Obama elections.

110 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:05:04pm

re: #105 freetoken

...a consequence of demography... What do you expect when Democrats outnumber Republicans five to one.

111 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:08:35pm

re: #89 RadicalModerate

Here's my take on the whole deal, and the Obama administration's handling of it.

First of all, Petraeus is the one who had the affair. Not a single item that happened afterward would have taken place, had that fact not happened.

Second, it is my belief that Obama would have allowed him to quietly retire at some time during the second term, upon his learning of the affair. Typically, this is how similar issues are handled within the beltway - minimal political impact to all individuals involved.

Finally, the game changer here was the fact that Petraeus may well have leaked confidential information to his mistress. When the FBI notified both the President and Cantor over this, all bets were off. He was pretty much given an ultimatum of immediately stepping down. Keep in mind, he was still spared the humiliation of being publicly fired by the administration, which given the facts as we know them now, he had every right to do.

The fact that Eric Cantor (who knew of the affair well before the White House did) didn't raise a huge pre-election stink over this is extremely telling, because a potential scandal like this could have severely damaged Obama politically if he blew the whistle before Election Day - there's no way in hell that the Republicans would have given a pass on this unless they had a really good reason to do so.

Because they count Petraeus as a Republican, no doubt.

Regardless of the reality...

112 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:10:39pm

re: #102 Decatur Deb

Never talked to the guy, but he could be explained by deep perverted belief or deep mercenary cynicism. Contempt for his statements is pretty much equal either way.

--Magical Condemnation Demon.

If we go with cynicism then at best he's telling his supporters what they want to hear, because the AFA lives off of donations. Causing misery is only a byproduct of that, not the goal.

re: #106 RadicalModerate

You're telling me that his statements claiming natural disasters are a "gift from God" punishing those non-believers (he did so for Hurricanes Sandy and Katrina, the Tohoku tsunami and Haiti earthquakes) aren't his taking personal glee at the pain of innocent individuals?

Yes, and it should be obvious. He's a scared little man looking for the tiniest scrap of a sign that his God gives a shit about the social changes terrifying him. His statements aren't themselves intended to cause misery, they're an attempt to assuage his own misery.

113 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:14:56pm

re: #108 wrenchwench

She really knows how to wear a dress. What a knockout.

Great portrait, good dress. I still want her and the Prez to show up at their last inaugural ball dressed as Angela Davis and Huey Newton.

114 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:15:30pm

re: #107 darthstar

Now THAT'S what I call a FLOTUS.

Image: 530890_10151115104962592_319505617_n.jpg

Yowza! (Let conservative 'splodey heads 'splode)

[Sound of monocles plopping into bowls of soup.]

115 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:16:22pm

re: #89 RadicalModerate

The fact that Eric Cantor (who knew of the affair well before the White House did) didn't raise a huge pre-election stink over this is extremely telling, because a potential scandal like this could have severely damaged Obama politically if he blew the whistle before Election Day - there's no way in hell that the Republicans would have given a pass on this unless they had a really good reason to do so.

Maybe it because Mitt and company aren't the psychopathic, power hungry monsters some believed them to be. There was not much political gain to be had for team Mitt to blow the story early, it would have been a shitty thing to do on several different levels. I know a lot of people find it unthinkable but Mitt ran a fairly clean campaign. Neither side can claim much superiority with campaign ads and smears but Mitt ran an honorable campaign.

116 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:16:55pm

Wow, an 11 year old kid figured out a way to keep lions out of the farm at night.

[Link: newswatch.nationalgeographic.com...]

117 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:17:51pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Maybe it because Mitt and company aren't the psychopathic, power hungry monsters some believed them to be.

I'll need a lot more evidence before I'm the least bit willing to draw that conclusion.

118 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:17:51pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

I know a lot of people find it unthinkable but Mitt ran a fairly clean campaign. Neither side can claim much superiority with campaign ads and smears but Mitt ran an honorable campaign.

Where does telling birther jokes and having birther-in-chief Trump campaign and fundraise for him become honorable?

119 Charles Johnson  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:17:58pm

re: #98 RadicalModerate

Just think about how things would have been handled if you were still limited to flat-form database structures.

*shudder*

LGF ran on a flat file system for 6 years -- no database at all, actually reading and writing files on the server's disk directly. Had some inventive ways to allow a form of concurrency.

Eventually traffic reached the point where we were forced to move to a database, which lets us split the system into separate servers for web and DB, and get much better performance.

I actually wrote custom scripts to read all those old flat files and import them into the new database, back in 2007. Took several days just to run those scripts.

120 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:18:13pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Maybe it because Mitt and company aren't the psychopathic, power hungry monsters some believed them to be. There was not much political gain to be had for team Mitt to blow the story early, it would have been a shitty thing to do on several different levels. I know a lot of people find it unthinkable but Mitt ran a fairly clean campaign. Neither side can claim much superiority with campaign ads and smears but Mitt ran an honorable campaign.

Wut?

121 freetoken  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:19:00pm

re: #114 Gus

[Sound of monocles plopping into bowls of soup.]

Image: monocle1.jpg

122 blueraven  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:19:32pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Maybe it because Mitt and company aren't the psychopathic, power hungry monsters some believed them to be. There was not much political gain to be had for team Mitt to blow the story early, it would have been a shitty thing to do on several different levels. I know a lot of people find it unthinkable but Mitt ran a fairly clean campaign. Neither side can claim much superiority with campaign ads and smears but Mitt ran an honorable campaign.

No, he didn't.
His very first ad (using Obama quoting John McCain) distorting Obama comments
To one of his last...the Jeep going to China ad

Not honorable at all.

123 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:21:21pm

re: #120 Gus

Wut?

Killgore's gotta magical balance fairy habit to feed, man. You gotta feed the monkey.

This is a whale of a target, though.

124 freetoken  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:22:35pm

For our collective edification:

Taste aversion

Conditioned taste aversion occurs when a subject associates the taste of a certain food with symptoms caused by a toxic, spoiled, or poisonous substance. Generally, taste aversion is caused after ingestion of the food causes nausea, sickness, or vomiting. The ability to develop a taste aversion is considered an adaptive trait or survival mechanism that trains the body to avoid poisonous substances (e.g., poisonous berries) before they can cause harm. This association is meant to prevent the consumption of the same substance (or something that tastes similar) in the future, thus avoiding further poisoning. However, conditioned taste aversion sometimes occurs in subjects when sickness was merely coincidental and not related to the food (for example, a subject who gets a cold or the flu shortly after eating bananas might develop an aversion to the taste of bananas).

125 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:22:37pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

I know a lot of people find it unthinkable but Mitt ran a fairly clean campaign. Neither side can claim much superiority with campaign ads and smears but Mitt ran an honorable campaign.

Except for repeatedly lying his ass off, condoning birtherism by using Trump as a surrogate and flying Jerome Corsi around.

126 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:24:06pm

re: #125 goddamnedfrank

Except for repeatedly lying his ass off, condoning birtherism by using Trump as a surrogate and flying Jerome Corsi around.

Yeah, other than that, totally honorable.
/

127 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:24:15pm

Killgore is actually a hero. He's wired up to a bomb that checks whether he's made a sweeping claim of false equivalency during the last 24 hours. If he ever doesn't, the bomb will go off. And he doesn't even know where the bomb is. Maybe it's in an empty field, but he just can't take the chance that it's sitting in a classroom, dammit. So the false equivalencies will roll on because he'd rather look dumb than be responsible for lost lives.

Killgore, I salute your sacrifice.

128 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:24:47pm

re: #123 Obdicut

Killgore's gotta magical balance fairy habit to feed, man. You gotta feed the monkey.

This is a whale of a target, though.

Seriously. For one, Petraeus was considered a Republican asset and potential candidate either as a presidential candidate or VP candidate for 2016. If one were to play conspiracy theories one could think that Republicans would have very good reasons -- self interest -- to remain silent on Petraeus.

129 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:25:56pm

Holly Solomon Blames Husband for Obama's Re-Election, Allegedly Rams Him With Her Car

Mesa [Arizona, need I add] resident Holly Solomon thinks it's her husband's fault that President Obama was re-elected last week, because he didn't vote.

Not only does Solomon, 28, have a thorough misunderstanding of our nation's electoral system, she also ran over her husband with her car because of this, according to Gilbert police.

[...]

Daniel Solomon's currently in critical condition at a hospital.

Holly Solomon was booked into jail on charges of domestic violence and aggravated assault, and there are no indications she was impaired by alcohol or drugs at the time, according to Sanger.

It should be noted that President Obama won a grand total of zero of Arizona's 11 electoral votes, so it wouldn't have helped if Daniel Solomon had voted for Romney 1,000 times.

Hate is a much stronger drug that alcohol or other drugs. She should go to jail for a good long time, and he should get the house and the Jeep.

130 Obdicut  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:26:23pm

re: #128 Gus

Yeah. He was one of Obama's reach-across-the-ideological-aisle picks.

131 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:28:20pm

re: #129 wrenchwench

Holly Solomon Blames Husband for Obama's Re-Election, Allegedly Rams Him With Her Car

Hate is a much stronger drug that alcohol or other drugs. She should go to jail for a good long time, and he should get the house and the Jeep.

Mr. Solomon's 19-yr old girlfriend was not available for comment.

132 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:29:01pm

re: #129 wrenchwench

And my younger sister blames me for the president's re-election. It is the way I part my hair. I agree hate is a very powerful emotion.

133 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:29:49pm

re: #129 wrenchwench

Holly Solomon Blames Husband for Obama's Re-Election, Allegedly Rams Him With Her Car

Hate is a much stronger drug that alcohol or other drugs. She should go to jail for a good long time, and he should get the house and the Jeep.

I was really expecting the Onion on that one.

134 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:31:01pm

re: #131 Decatur Deb

Mr. Solomon's 19-yr old girlfriend was not available for comment.

I was thinking there must be underlying issues, so to speak.

135 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:31:49pm

re: #132 PhillyPretzel

And my younger sister blames me for the president's re-election. It is the way I part my hair. I agree hate is a very powerful emotion.

That's some powerful hair!

136 simoom  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:31:59pm

re: #26 bluecheese

somthin....

I don 't know.

who cares about what Cantor knew?

I actually don't get why this isn't a bigger part of the story. An FBI investigator, who hadn't found anything criminal in his investigation, but uncovered the affair as a byproduct of it, leaked it to Rep. Dave Reichert, who had him next leak it to Eric Cantor. This wasn't someone whistle-blowing to the heads of the intelligence committees, or informing the DNI, this was someone involved in an classified investigation leaking details of a sexual affair, involving the head the CIA, to a couple of uber-partisans on the Hill.

Does this FBI investigator have some sort of relationship w/ Reichert where he routinely leaks the most personal of information on members of our government? 'Seems like some scrutiny of that relationship may be in order.

137 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:34:02pm

Just because Cantor knew doesn't mean that the Romney camp would have known either.

138 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:34:25pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

lol. My sister wants (demands) that I part my hair on the right but years ago a hairdresser told me that my hair grows to the left so I should part it that way.

139 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:35:07pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

That's some powerful hair!

Trump's hair is jealous.

140 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:35:46pm

re: #138 PhillyPretzel

lol. My sister wants (demands) that I part my hair on the right but years ago a hairdresser told me that my hair grows to the left so I should part it that way.

Quite the authoritarian isn't she?

141 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:36:17pm
142 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:37:02pm

re: #140 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)

She also wants me to get rid of my cell phone because I do not talk to her so therefor I do not need any telephone.

143 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:37:34pm

re: #138 PhillyPretzel

lol. My sister wants (demands) that I part my hair on the right but years ago a hairdresser told me that my hair grows to the left so I should part it that way.

Sheesh, sisters!

I used to part my hair in the middle, but I took a drawing class in college and was assigned to draw a self portrait. While doing that, I discovered my face is not totally symmetric, so I started parting it on the right. But when I look in the mirror, it looks like I part it on the left.

144 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:37:39pm

re: #129 wrenchwench

Holly Solomon Blames Husband for Obama's Re-Election, Allegedly Rams Him With Her Car

Hate is a much stronger drug that alcohol or other drugs. She should go to jail for a good long time, and he should get the house and the Jeep.

WOW. What the hell?

I'm sure there are much larger issues in their marriage than just a political disagreement, but seriously? Running over your spouse with the car because they didn't vote and a POTUS you hate got re-elected? Sounds like the election was just an excuse.

Give that man the house, the car, the kids, alimony, etc. She's clearly crazy.

145 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:38:05pm

re: #142 PhillyPretzel

She also wants me to get rid of my cell phone because I do not talk to her so therefor I do not need any telephone.

Younger sister?

Is her nickname 'mom'?

146 Stanghazi  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:38:13pm

Saw this on the TMZ this morning. Wow.

147 engineer cat  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:38:32pm

psychopathic, power hungry monsters

more like clueless rich kids who were born on third base but thought they hit a triple, who think that anybody who isn't a business owner is a mindless worker bee or moocher (i mean, he did say that, didn't he?), so the only things american society needs are tax cuts for the Really Important People, that is, themselves

that doesn't make them psychopathic, power hungry monsters -

just morons

148 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:38:56pm

re: #143 wrenchwench

Sheesh, sisters!

I used to part my hair in the middle, but I took a drawing class in college and was assigned to draw a self portrait. While doing that, I discovered my face is not totally symmetric, so I started parting it on the right. But when I look in the mirror, it looks like I part it on the left.

I don't part my hair, that way I never wear out my comb.

149 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:39:00pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Maybe it because Mitt and company aren't the psychopathic, power hungry monsters some believed them to be. There was not much political gain to be had for team Mitt to blow the story early, it would have been a shitty thing to do on several different levels. I know a lot of people find it unthinkable but Mitt ran a fairly clean campaign. Neither side can claim much superiority with campaign ads and smears but Mitt ran an honorable campaign.

The reason some people think that the Romney campaign wasn't "clean" or "honorable" is because he, Ryan, and their surrogates shamelessly lied their asses off, all the way throughout the campaign.

150 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:40:10pm

re: #136 simoom

I actually don't get why this isn't a bigger part of the story. An FBI investigator, who hadn't found anything criminal in his investigation, but uncovered the affair as a byproduct of it, leaked it to Rep. Dave Reichert, who had him next leak it to Eric Cantor. This wasn't someone whistle-blowing to the heads of the intelligence committees, or informing the DNI, this was someone involved in an classified investigation leaking details of a sexual affair, involving the head the CIA, to a couple of uber-partisans on the Hill.

Does this FBI investigator have some sort of relationship w/ Reichert where he routinely leaks the most personal of information on members of our government? 'Seems like some scrutiny of that relationship may be in order.

I don't think his affairs were much of a secret within the CIA. As posted earlier, someone may have even posted it on Wikipedia way back in January. Lot's of people probably knew about this.

151 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:40:17pm

re: #145 b_snark (Fact-Checker Extraordinaire)

No. She thinks because she is a mom she can and does boss people around.

152 engineer cat  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:41:21pm

Mitt ran a fairly clean campaign

i would rate that as 'incorrect'

153 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:41:22pm

You gotta wonder. Back in olden days they used to require that SR-71 recon air crews be married. I wonder if they still apply this illogical requirement. I see it worked out well, in theory, with Petraeus.

154 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:41:51pm

re: #136 simoom

I actually don't get why this isn't a bigger part of the story. An FBI investigator, who hadn't found anything criminal in his investigation, but uncovered the affair as a byproduct of it, leaked it to Rep. Dave Reichert, who had him next leak it to Eric Cantor. This wasn't someone whistle-blowing to the heads of the intelligence committees, or informing the DNI, this was someone involved in an classified investigation leaking details of a sexual affair, involving the head the CIA, to a couple of uber-partisans on the Hill.

Does this FBI investigator have some sort of relationship w/ Reichert where he routinely leaks the most personal of information on members of our government? 'Seems like some scrutiny of that relationship may be in order.

That is something that sticks in my craw, the fact that Cantor knew about all of this before the President did. Something about who was notified on all of this and when does not pass the smell test with me.

155 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:42:00pm

re: #144 Lidane

Give that man the house, the car, the kids, alimony, etc. She's clearly crazy.

I thought the guy who tattooed the Romney/Ryan logo on his face had issues.

156 Stanghazi  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:42:01pm

re: #150 Killgore Trout

I don't think his affairs were much of a secret within the CIA. As posted earlier, someone may have even posted it on Wikipedia way back in January. Lot's of people probably knew about this.

Do you read the story of the thread you are inhabiting?

157 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:42:07pm

re: #151 PhillyPretzel

No. She thinks because she is a mom she can and does boss people around.

I boss my siblings around, but I'm the oldest so it's a long held habit.

158 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:43:29pm

re: #153 Gus

You gotta wonder. Back in olden days they used to require that SR-71 recon air crews be married. I wonder if they still apply this illogical requirement. I see it worked out well, in theory, with Petraeus.

Seeing as the SR-71s have been retired and out-of-service for almost 20 years, it's probably moot at this point...

;-P

159 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:43:34pm

re: #155 goddamnedfrank

I thought the guy who tattooed the Romney/Ryan logo on his face had issues.

He was just stupid. This woman is clearly unhinged and used the election as an excuse to try and kill her husband.

160 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:43:55pm

re: #153 Gus

You gotta wonder. Back in olden days they used to require that SR-71 recon air crews be married. I wonder if they still apply this illogical requirement. I see it worked out well, in theory, with Petraeus.

Ah. An answer on Yahoo.

It's a lot easier to get a fag to talk if he thought he was about to be outed. Few f*gs were openly married to other f*gs at the time the SR-71s were boring holes in the atmosphere. Therefore, the Air Force figured that there would be minimal risk if the pilot was married.

161 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:44:25pm

re: #158 Ben G. Hazi

Seeing as the SR-71s have been retired and out-of-service for almost 20 years, it's probably moot at this point...

;-P

To a certain extent. That mentality however remains to this day.

162 erik_t  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:45:08pm

re: #153 Gus

You gotta wonder. Back in olden days they used to require that SR-71 recon air crews be married. I wonder if they still apply this illogical requirement. I see it worked out well, in theory, with Petraeus.

Well, obviously. Marriage is great training to successfully execute 'shut up, sit over in that corner for ten hours and don't bitch about it'.

163 EPR-radar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:47:50pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Maybe it because Mitt and company aren't the psychopathic, power hungry monsters some believed them to be. There was not much political gain to be had for team Mitt to blow the story early, it would have been a shitty thing to do on several different levels. I know a lot of people find it unthinkable but Mitt ran a fairly clean campaign. Neither side can claim much superiority with campaign ads and smears but Mitt ran an honorable campaign.

Romney et al. didn't show Birth of a Nation at the GOP convention, and they have not done a public cross-burning. However, they lied outrageously at every opportunity (far worse than normal political spin, slant, and exaggeration).

Is the bar for "honorable" set so low?

164 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:48:24pm

re: #163 EPR-radar

Romney et al. didn't show Birth of a Nation at the GOP convention, and they have not done a public cross-burning. However, they lied outrageously at every opportunity (far worse than normal political spin, slant, and exaggeration).

Is the bar for "honorable" set so low?

In MBF Land, absolutely.

165 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:49:05pm

China's Female Astronauts: Must Be a Married Mom

Hmm.

166 erik_t  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:49:33pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Neither side can claim much superiority with campaign ads and smears but Mitt ran an honorable campaign.

How can a campaign be honorable if it's based on smears, mischaracterizations and out-of-context quotes?

167 efuseakay  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:49:39pm

re: #115 Killgore Trout

Maybe it because Mitt and company aren't the psychopathic, power hungry monsters some believed them to be. There was not much political gain to be had for team Mitt to blow the story early, it would have been a shitty thing to do on several different levels. I know a lot of people find it unthinkable but Mitt ran a fairly clean campaign. Neither side can claim much superiority with campaign ads and smears but Mitt ran an honorable campaign.

Right. From the people who still think to this day that the President is a gay coke-addicted Kenyan Muslim commie Marxist Manchurian candidate that wears a ring with "There is no god but Allah" inscribed on it.... Sure. Not psychopathic monsters at all.

168 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:51:05pm

Ironically. This all boils down to adultery in a heterosexual Christian marriage revolving around the CIA.

Tell us more about gay marriage oh' homophobes.

169 engineer cat  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:51:46pm

didn't show Birth of a Nation at the GOP convention

didn't actually show it

170 erik_t  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:54:03pm

re: #166 erik_t

How can a campaign be honorable if it's based on smears, mischaracterizations and out-of-context quotes?

Oops, mustn't forget my favorite, the American Apology Tour, which was simply manufactured from whole cloth.

171 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:56:50pm

re: #123 Obdicut

Killgore's gotta magical balance fairy habit to feed, man. You gotta feed the monkey.

This is a whale of a target, though.

Seriously. To riff off Clinton, it takes some brass to call the Romney campaign honorable.

172 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:57:00pm

re: #170 erik_t

Oops, mustn't forget my favorite, the American Apology Tour, which was simply manufactured from whole cloth.

I have no trouble believing a group who believes 'I'm sorry you think that' is an apology would find accepting responsibility for US errors as well as its successes an apology.

173 EPR-radar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 4:59:50pm

re: #164 makeitstop

In MBF Land, absolutely.

OK, lets take the MBF test. What on the Democratic party side is equivalent to the following institutions of the Republicans:

1) Rush Limbaugh (GOP elected officials at the Federal level grovel to him in apology, so he is not "just an entertainer")

2) Science denial (creationism, climate etc.)

3) Batshit insane theocrats (e.g., Bryan Fischer)

For some reason, nothing comes to mind...

174 freetoken  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:04:33pm

re: #173 EPR-radar

On the whole, the Democratic party has done a good job at isolating their nut cases and closing them off. Locally there are a few who are Truthers and have shown up on the radar, but they don't last long.

175 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:05:34pm

re: #173 EPR-radar

OK, lets take the MBF test. What on the Democratic party side is equivalent to the following institutions of the Republicans:

1) Rush Limbaugh (GOP elected officials at the Federal level grovel to him in apology, so he is not "just an entertainer")

Al Gore

2) Science denial (creationism, climate etc.)

Al Gore

3) Batshit insane theocrats (e.g., Bryan Fischer)

Al Gore

For some reason, nothing comes to mind...

Michelle Obama.

176 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:07:15pm

Ted Cruz finally said something coherent:

[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

As a senator from Texas, the largest and most important state in the Republican firmament, Cruz has a special role in the post-Romney debate. At the Presidential level, Texas has thirty-eight electoral votes, second only to California, which has fifty-five. It anchors the modern Republican Party, in the same way that California and New York anchor the Democratic Party. But, Cruz told me, the once unthinkable idea of Texas becoming a Democratic state is now a real possibility.

“If Republicans do not do better in the Hispanic community,” he said, “in a few short years Republicans will no longer be the majority party in our state.” He ticked off some statistics: in 2004, George W. Bush won forty-four per cent of the Hispanic vote nationally; in 2008, John McCain won just thirty-one per cent. On Tuesday, Romney fared even worse.

“In not too many years, Texas could switch from being all Republican to all Democrat,” he said. “If that happens, no Republican will ever again win the White House. New York and California are for the foreseeable future unalterably Democrat. If Texas turns bright blue, the Electoral College math is simple. We won’t be talking about Ohio, we won’t be talking about Florida or Virginia, because it won’t matter. If Texas is bright blue, you can’t get to two-seventy electoral votes. The Republican Party would cease to exist. We would become like the Whig Party. Our kids and grandkids would study how this used to be a national political party. ‘They had Conventions, they nominated Presidential candidates. They don’t exist anymore.’ ”

But really, all the GOP has to do is get a Latino version of El Rushbo to sell their idiocy and fail in Spanish. I know this because Dim Hoft said so.

///

177 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:08:11pm

re: #116 Obdicut

That is so cool!

178 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:14:24pm

I do however suspect that the rumors of Petraeus' affairs, and now maybe even the rumors of CIA prisoners in Benghazi might be part of Issa's fishing expedition. Of course it would be hypocritical of Issa to expose potential hypocrisy from Obama on CIA secret prisons but I don't think he's bothered by such things.

179 BongCrodny  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:17:02pm

WTF Department, Part I

So I was watching Wheel of Fortune with my mom tonight, and one of the puzzles was a phrase.

The answer was "Bring the underwater camera."

Exactly when did this "phrase" enter the lexicon? I've been on this mudball mumblemumblemumble years now, and I can honestly say I don't think I've ever heard the words "bring the underwater camera" spoken in that sequence.

Sorry. Just needed to rant a bit over that one. Quite possibly the single stupidest puzzle I've ever seen on WoF.

180 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:18:55pm

The Petraeus thing is still getting... weirder.

181 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:18:59pm

re: #179 BongCrodny

WTF Department, Part I

So I was watching Wheel of Fortune with my mom tonight, and one of the puzzles was a phrase.

The answer was "Bring the underwater camera."

Exactly when did this "phrase" enter the lexicon? I've been on this mudball mumblemumblemumble years now, and I can honestly say I don't think I've ever heard the words "bring the underwater camera" spoken in that sequence.

Sorry. Just needed to rant a bit over that one. Quite possibly the single stupidest puzzle I've ever seen on WoF.

I prefer Wheel of Fish.

182 The Mountain That Blogs  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:22:01pm

re: #181 b_Snark

I prefer Wheel of Fish.

Always take the mystery box.

183 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:22:09pm

Shirtless emails from an FBI agent.

184 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:23:06pm
185 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:23:23pm

re: #183 Gus

Shirtless emails from an FBI agent.

It's too bad we don't have rotating titles any more.

186 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:24:20pm

re: #185 wrenchwench

It's too bad we don't have rotating titles any more.

I blame gay marriage.

187 erik_t  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:24:50pm

re: #186 Gus

I blame gay marriage.

That was last week. The problem is dog marriage now.

188 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:26:03pm

re: #185 wrenchwench

It's too bad we don't have rotating titles any more.

LGF quits having rotating titles and Petraeus resigns right before testifying about Benghazi.

I question the timing.

///

189 Stanghazi  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:26:23pm

re: #170 erik_t

Oops, mustn't forget my favorite, the American Apology Tour, which was simply manufactured from whole cloth.

He wrote a freaking lame book about the apology. Lying band waggoner.

190 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:26:30pm

re: #185 wrenchwench

It's too bad we don't have rotating titles any more.

What is a rotating title?

191 freetoken  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:26:32pm

A Page has been posted which is one of my soap-boxes:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I think this is an issue that will become more forward on our plates as the years go by, and its absence from our political debates this season only shows how backwards and navel gazing our politics has become.

192 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:27:35pm

re: #190 b_Snark

What is a rotating title?

These things we used to have that we don't have any more.

193 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:28:25pm

Oh jeez.

194 jaunte  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:28:32pm

Greetings from Delta flight 1953, headed to Atlanta. This is the first time I've used the in-flight internet service; it's pretty fast.

195 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:29:03pm

re: #191 freetoken

A Page has been posted which is one of my soap-boxes:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I think this is an issue that will become more forward on our plates as the years go by, and its absence from our political debates this season only shows how backwards and navel gazing our politics has become.

Once again I have to agree with you.

196 erik_t  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:29:30pm

Well, I've been around for a bit over a year. It's probably finally time to add a picture next to my name.

197 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:29:38pm

re: #192 wrenchwench

These things we used to have that we don't have any more.

What did they do?
Rotate?

198 Bubblehead II  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:29:55pm

Evening Lizards. Just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Cantor knew about it and kept quit. Why?

199 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:30:15pm

re: #196 erik_t

Well, I've been around for a bit over a year. It's probably finally time to add a picture next to my name.

Crap, that's scary.

200 jaunte  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:30:45pm

re: #197 b_Snark

They changed every so often, until that same one would come up again.

201 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:30:53pm

re: #196 erik_t

Well, I've been around for a bit over a year. It's probably finally time to add a picture next to my name.

That is one unimpressed kitteh.

202 jaunte  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:32:10pm

"A bloodthirsty bike gang of yes-men without real theoretical affiliations."

That was my favorite.

203 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:32:38pm

re: #197 b_Snark

What did they do?
Rotate?

They used to be on the line at the top of the browser (what's that line called?) where now you see the name of the article you're on, then they moved to the top of the right column. Then they disappeared. All in the name of progress and professionalism. And you know where that leads....

204 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:33:01pm

re: #203 wrenchwench

They used to be on the line at the top of the browser (what's that line called?) where now you see the name of the article you're on, then they moved to the top of the right column. Then they disappeared. All in the name of progress and professionalism. And you know where that leads....

They're still in existence. They have been moved to a different spot on the right-hand side of the web page.

205 wrenchwench  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:34:00pm

re: #204 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

They're still in existence. They have been moved to a different spot on the right-hand side of the web page.

WHERE?

Not "Frank says".

206 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:34:02pm

re: #204 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Correction: That seems to have been removed since last I checked. My bad.

207 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:34:16pm

re: #198 Bubblehead II

Evening Lizards. Just waiting for the other shoe to drop. Cantor knew about it and kept quit. Why?

He didn't keep quiet. He passed the info on the the head of the FBI.

208 jaunte  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:34:35pm

Delta Lightly Salted Peanuts for dinner. This is high living.

209 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:35:43pm
210 erik_t  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:35:44pm

re: #194 jaunte

Greetings from Delta flight 1953, headed to Atlanta. This is the first time I've used the in-flight internet service; it's pretty fast.

re: #208 jaunte

Delta Lightly Salted Peanuts for dinner. This is high living.

What you are doing there, I see it.

211 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:36:23pm

re: #202 jaunte

"A bloodthirsty bike gang of yes-men without real theoretical affiliations."

That was my favorite.

I always liked "Free onions for life!" because I suspected it may have been a quote of mine but also "The dogs bark but the caravan moves on" is probably my all time favorite.

212 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:38:14pm

Frank says:

I want a garden!

213 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:39:42pm

re: #202 jaunte

Oh I got it toasters. That was the line when I first hit this website.

214 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:40:20pm
215 Killgore Trout  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:40:45pm

re: #212 Dancing along the light of day

Frank says:

I want a garden!

Heh. I had a break in last week so I've been a bit paranoid about letting the cats out into the greenhouse. I opened the door tonight and Zoe the kitteh ran out and plucked an earthworm from one of the beds within 5 minutes. She's quite the hunter.

216 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:41:46pm

This should cause a few head explosions:

217 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:42:15pm

Obama won! I'm moving to Canada anyway.

//

218 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:42:54pm

re: #215 Killgore Trout

Zoe is your neurotic kitteh, IIRC?
Break ins are a bummer. You need to train them to be
attack kitties!

219 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:43:25pm

re: #216 Lidane

2 were on the left, Eisenhower was centrist, and Reagan was far-right. Also a bigot.

220 palomino  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:45:39pm

re: #216 Lidane

This should cause a few head explosions:

[Embedded content]

Yeah, but he only won by 3 million votes, not the 9 mil margin of 2008. Thus he didn't cover the imaginary point spread Republicans created the day after the election, and Romney is really the Prez...or SECESSION!

221 BongCrodny  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:47:10pm

WTF Department, Part II

So during Jeopardy, my mom got a call from a pollster. Mom doesn't like dealing with those people. Since I happened to be there, I decided to field the questions because I figure the folks on the other end are just trying to make a living.

At first, the questions seemed innocuous -- did you vote Democrat or Republican in this year's election, did you vote for Angus King (I), Cynthia Dill (D) or Charlie Summers (R) for Senator, etc.

Then the questions started getting a little more specific; they wanted to know whether I voted on Maine's Question 1 referendum, the vote to allow gay couples to marry.

Even the first few questions here were somewhat balanced: do you strongly or somewhat agree or disagree with Question 1; did you make up your mind the day of the election, the week before the election, the month before the election, or more than a month before the election.

Then it started becoming obvious where they were going with the "survey": do you feel religious people will have their rights infringed by gay marriage; do you think children will be adversely affected by gay marriage; do you feel matrimony should be between one man and one woman, etc.

In short, it appeared to be designed to elicit negative responses to their questions.

So, basically, I told the guy on the other end that and that I did not want to answer any more of his questions; I thanked *him* for his time, and hung up.

I could be wrong, but it sure seemed to me that the questions were from one of the groups that will almost certainly be looking to get the question back on the ballot in 2014, and the "strength" of their responses will more than likely determine whether they decide to do so.

I'd caution anyone that voted in favor of a similar amendment, whether here in Maine or anywhere else, that this is not over. We're going to need to keep fighting, fighting, fighting, because these people are definitely not going to go away quietly.

222 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:48:24pm

So someone informed Eric Cantor who in turn informed the FBI who in turn began investigating Petraeus but did not inform the White House?

223 Bubblehead II  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 5:49:58pm

re: #207 Killgore Trout

He didn't keep quiet. He passed the info on the the head of the FBI.

BS. He kept it quiet. He could have went public. Why didn't he? Explain that to the Lizard Nation and your friends in the wingnut crowd. Or even better, evoke the MBF.

224 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 6:03:13pm

re: #169 engineer cat

didn't show Birth of a Nation at the GOP convention

didn't actually show it

Because everyone already saw it.

225 stacia_jones_  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 6:25:42pm

Here from milowent, who said the IP of the Wikipedia user hadn't been traced yet. I already mentioned this on twitter but wanted to comment here as well: Per my-ip-address-is (dot) com, the IP of 64.101.72.113 resolves to Olathe, Kansas, which is about 40 miles south of Ft Leavenworth. The IP is owned by Cisco which apparently has an office/plant in Olathe, and I suspect the editor was editing Wikipedia at work. But my meager tracert skills can't seem to confirm this, as the tracert times out. (Humorously, one of the hops went to ptr.us.xo.net in Virginia, which I pronounced Petraeus XO Net in my head before even realizing what I was saying.)

I have no idea if this is any help. It's possible the Wikipedia edit was just by someone who saw the Daily Show interview and picked up that "vibe" she was giving off.

226 Decatur Deb  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 6:39:13pm

re: #176 Lidane

Ted Cruz finally said something coherent:

[Link: www.newyorker.com...]

But really, all the GOP has to do is get a Latino version of El Rushbo to sell their idiocy and fail in Spanish. I know this because Dim Hoft said so.

///

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