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Petraeus Scandal Takes a Serious Left Turn

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The Petraeus scandal is getting very weird tonight.

The rapidly unfolding saga of David Petraeus, Paula Broadwell, Jill Kelley and an unnamed FBI agent is getting trashier by the minute. The Wall Street Journal dropped a scoop on Monday evening with fresh details about the case, including a report of a man who sent shirtless photos of himself to Kelley, the accidental whistleblower. Believe it or not, the man sending sexy pics is not David Petraeus — you know, the guy that just got caught having an illicit affair with his too-fit biographer. It’s the FBI agent. 

But wait there’s more. Evidently, the FBI agent who opened an investigation into some harassing emails that Kelley, a friend of his from Florida, got a little too involved in the case. According to The Journal, the agent’s “supervisors soon became concerned that the initial agent might have grown obsessed with the matter, and prohibited him from any role in the investigation.” 

Meanwhile, the investigators who worked their way through a maze of anonymous email exchanges between Petraeus, Broadwell and Kelley ascertained that the former CIA director and his friend from Florida may have gotten romantically involved as well. One email described a night at dinner when the anonymous writer claimed to witness Kelley touching Petraeus “provocatively” under the table. “Provocatively” is WSJ’s word. We’re guessing the email was a little bit more specific with what was going on with the under-the-table touching.

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550 comments

1 shecky  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:02:17pm

Coen brothers beat 'em to it.

2 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:05:51pm

Any long distance travel wearing diapers yet?

3 JRCMYP  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:13:00pm

Good grief.

4 Petero1818  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:13:36pm

If it turns up Tiger Woods is involved in this whole mess I am going to be really upset. I believed him when he went all buddhist.///

5 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:15:44pm

This begs to be a film with Kevin Kline and John Cleese.

6 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:15:48pm

I feel so sad for Holly Petraeus.

7 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:17:50pm

re: #5 Kragar

This begs to be a film with Kevin Kline and John Cleese.

Sleepless in Benghazi.

8 BishopX  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:20:20pm

Honestly, the thing that set of my warning bells? The FBI investigated email threats to the point where they gained access to someones email.

That never happens in real life.

9 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:22:50pm

re: #8 BishopX

Honestly, the thing that set of my warning bells? The FBI investigated email threats to the point where they gained access to someones email.

That never happens in real life.

Normally, Rupert Murdoch beats them to it.

10 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:25:39pm
11 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:26:14pm
12 blueraven  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:26:29pm

Now the FBI is searching the Broadwell residence. WTF?

13 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:27:22pm

re: #12 blueraven

Now the FBI is searching the Broadwell residence. WTF?

Yeah. This is getting really bizarre. I wonder what they'll think when they find her Petraeus shrine...

14 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:28:20pm

This woman is bonkers.

15 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:28:54pm
16 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:29:58pm

Is our government entirely staffed with oversexed teenagers, or just mostly staffed with oversexed teenagers?

17 philosophus invidius  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:31:18pm
Ms. Kelley, a volunteer with wounded veterans and military families, brought her complaint to a rank-and-file agent she knew from a previous encounter with the F.B.I. office. That agent, who had previously pursued a friendship with Ms. Kelley and had earlier sent her shirtless photographs of himself, was “just a conduit” for the complaint, a law enforcement official said. He had no training in cybercrime, was not part of the cyber squad handling the case and was never assigned to the investigation.

But the agent, who was not identified, continued to “nose around” about the case, and eventually his superiors “told him to stay the hell away from it, and he was not invited to briefings.” The Wall Street Journal first reported on Monday night that the agent had been barred from the case.

18 jamesfirecat  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:33:34pm

re: #10 Four More Tears

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Good for them, I say this as a "Former" eagle scout, the time has come for us to shed this bigoted policy. Scouting started as a way to prepare youth for the army, given the army's current stance towards Homosexuality scouting should turn its policy around as well....

(Leaving aside the obvious moral wrongness of the stance)

19 Donna Ballard  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:33:40pm

re: #2 b_Snark

Any long distance travel wearing diapers yet?

You beat me to it! I asked Dan that very same question not even 10 minutes ago! Lol!

20 prairiefire  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:33:45pm

re: #13 Four More Tears

Yeah. This is getting really bizarre. I wonder what they'll think when they find her Petraeus shrine...

There's an anagram in there somewhere.

21 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:35:04pm

re: #19 Donna Ballard

You beat me to it! I asked Dan that very same question not even 10 minutes ago! Lol!

It's hard work reading minds, you know.

22 Donna Ballard  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:35:57pm

re: #21 b_Snark

It's hard work reading minds, you know.

Especially long distance!

23 mikec6666  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:36:47pm

This whole thing is depressing. Even one of the best among us turns out to be a complete idiot. That doesn't bode well for the rest of us.

24 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:38:25pm
25 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:39:12pm

re: #22 Donna Ballard

Especially long distance!

Dan was trying to take over my mind by posting two flaming pictures OF THE SAME THING.

I fooled him though, I crossed my eyes.

26 blueraven  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:39:56pm

re: #17 philosophus invidius

Ms. Kelley, a volunteer with wounded veterans and military families, brought her complaint to a rank-and-file agent she knew from a previous encounter with the F.B.I. office. That agent, who had previously pursued a friendship with Ms. Kelley and had earlier sent her shirtless photographs of himself, was “just a conduit” for the complaint, a law enforcement official said. He had no training in cybercrime, was not part of the cyber squad handling the case and was never assigned to the investigation.

But the agent, who was not identified, continued to “nose around” about the case, and eventually his superiors “told him to stay the hell away from it, and he was not invited to briefings.” The Wall Street Journal first reported on Monday night that the agent had been barred from the case.

Jane Mayer reported this individual had strong political feelings and believed something was being covered up and wanted it out before the election.

27 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:41:52pm

Hahaha! She used a ghostwriter.

Petraeus ghostwriter ‘clueless’ to affair

28 Donna Ballard  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:42:37pm

re: #25 b_Snark

Dan was trying to take over my mind by posting two flaming pictures OF THE SAME THING.

I fooled him though, I crossed my eyes.

Wow, that's really hard to do! Hes psychiatric or was that psychic? You know!

29 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:42:49pm

This is pathetic.

30 blueraven  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:43:06pm
31 philosophus invidius  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:43:45pm

re: #27 Gus

Since when does a "journalist" use a ghostwriter?

32 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:44:38pm

Makes me long for the good old days of hiking the Appalachians and sending underwear pics over twitter.

33 ProGunLiberal  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:45:23pm

re: #30 blueraven

What.

The.

Hell.

34 jvic  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:46:45pm

re: #26 blueraven

Jane Mayer reported this individual had strong political feelings and believed something was being covered up and wanted it out before the election.

A cover-up is the nightmare scenario, the last thing the country needs. There is no evidence for it at this time and accusations without evidence would be irresponsible and unpatriotic.

35 ninja cat  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:46:47pm

re: #26 blueraven

Jane Mayer reported this individual had strong political feelings and believed something was being covered up and wanted it out before the election.

I was thinking something similar. Someone wanting this to be a scandal to throw the election. The cast of characters getting quite crowded though and probably not turning out as imagined.

36 jamesfirecat  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:47:00pm

re: #30 blueraven

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The people responsible for sacking the people responsible for sacking the people responsible have been sacked!

37 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:47:06pm

Good lord, this is becoming more and more like a bad episode of Jerry Springer by the minute.

38 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:47:34pm

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned!

39 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:47:37pm

re: #28 Donna Ballard

Wow, that's really hard to do! Hes psychiatric or was that psychic? You know!

It's really hard to tell sometimes.
Next time he's asleep, take a flashlight and check to see if you can see into his head through his ears.

40 Donna Ballard  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:47:40pm

Ya know, just when I thought I had seen everything, living in LA we see just about everything there is walking down the street, then the one man in a position of power I thought could be trusted turns out to have feet made of clay! *Face palm* I do not want to know whats next! I really don't!

41 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:48:30pm

re: #29 Gus

This is pathetic.

Sorry, I've had a tough day.

42 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:49:15pm

re: #41 b_Snark

Sorry, I've had a tough day.

The end of the world is nigh!

43 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:49:33pm

re: #37 Targetpractice

Good lord, this is becoming more and more like a bad episode of Jerry Springer by the minute.

Sanctity of marriage!

44 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:49:35pm

re: #31 philosophus invidius

Since when does a "journalist" use a ghostwriter?

What do you call a ghostwriter of a ghostwriter, and how many layers does this scandal have?

45 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:50:16pm

Paging Dr Phil, paging Dr Phil, we have an ex general, an ex girlfriend, an ex wife and a soon to be ex FBI agent all in the green room for today's relationships episode.

46 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:50:41pm
47 Pip's Squeak  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:50:43pm

Sigh. This is risible.

Who cares? And if so, why bother?

All in all, more celebrity cr-p. Here I am, looking forward to intelligent analyses of last week's elections, and instead one gets a sex scandal. Petreus's sex life is about as relevant as Paris Hilton's political convictions.

48 bratwurst  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:50:54pm
49 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:51:15pm

re: #42 Gus

The end of the world is neigh!

I thought it was ni!

50 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:51:52pm

re: #34 jvic

A cover-up is the nightmare scenario, the last thing the country needs. There is no evidence for it at this time and accusations without evidence would be irresponsible and unpatriotic.

Cue the right-wing blogosphere!

51 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:51:59pm

It's possible that this is all a PSYOP and none of this really happened or is happening while something else is going on. Are our brain being re-programmed unknown to us by perhaps, HAARP?

//

52 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:52:10pm
53 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:53:08pm

re: #50 Four More Tears

Cue the right-wing blogosphere!

Benghazi! Benghazi! Benghazi! Eleventy!

54 Skip Intro  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:54:11pm

re: #37 Targetpractice

Good lord, this is becoming more and more like a bad episode of Jerry Springer by the minute.

Yeah, the shirtless FBI agent with the political axe to grind (if that's even true) has sent this into full Loony Tunes land for me. I retroactively revoke any previous comments I may have made about this to keep from being embarrassed.

What a frigging circus this is turning out to be.

55 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:54:31pm

So when does TMZ release the sex tapes?

56 Donna Ballard  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:55:04pm

re: #49 b_Snark

I thought it was ni!

Nah, this whole thing is about a bunch of horses asses so that's neigh.

57 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:55:43pm

re: #54 Skip Intro

What a frigging circus this is turning out to be.

It's beyond parody at this point.

I keep waiting for the punchline and it's not showing up. WTF.

58 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:56:25pm

re: #40 Donna Ballard

I just mailed you a funny!

59 Donna Ballard  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:56:29pm

re: #55 watching you tiny alien kittens are

So when does TMZ release the sex tapes?

TMI! I do not wanna see that, I really don't!

60 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:56:32pm

Personally I love how the wingnuts, even though the timeline on this whole horror show is stretching back to earlier this year, if not late last, are still trying to insist that Petraeus resigning is in some way connected to Benghazi.

61 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:56:57pm

re: #54 Skip Intro

Yeah, the shirtless FBI agent with the political axe to grind (if that's even true) has sent this into full Loony Tunes land for me. I retroactively revoke any previous comments I may have made about this to keep from being embarrassed.

What a frigging circus this is turning out to be.

Yeah, this is pretty much in national embarrassment territory.

62 Donna Ballard  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 7:57:52pm

re: #58 Dancing along the light of day

I just mailed you a funny!

Cool! I'll go check it out, brb!

63 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:00:22pm

re: #55 watching you tiny alien kittens are

So when does TMZ release the sex tapes?

I think TMZ is too engrossed with some teenage actor from Modern Family and her family meltdown to care.

64 b_Snark  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:00:42pm

re: #57 Lidane

It's beyond parody at this point.

I keep waiting for the punchline and it's not showing up. WTF.

Maybe it was sent through snail-mail.

65 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:01:20pm

re: #61 Four More Tears

Yeah, this is pretty much in national embarrassment territory.

But remember kids -- marriage is a sacred institution that must be upheld and preserved, or we will descend into an apocalyptic nightmare.

66 blueraven  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:01:25pm

re: #34 jvic

A cover-up is the nightmare scenario, the last thing the country needs. There is no evidence for it at this time and accusations without evidence would be irresponsible and unpatriotic.

I dont think there was any cover up, nor did Jane Mayer suggest it...just that this FBI guy is a bit of a nutcase. He wanted to make sure this got out. Evidently he thought if it came out before the election it would hurt Obama.

You know...the FOX NEWS type.

67 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:02:50pm

re: #65 Lidane

But remember kids -- marriage is a sacred institution that must be upheld and preserved, or we will descend into an apocalyptic nightmare.

Wait. Did ending DADT ruin Petraeus' marriage? Is this all the gays fault?!?

68 BenghaziHoops  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:05:04pm

A sex scandal in DC? color me surprised.
In the spirit of Government transparency I hope they will have a powerpoint presentation during the hearings.

69 philosophus invidius  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:05:49pm

In other news ...
Who said Republicans aren't willing to make a sacrifice?

Fox News: Republicans agree to eat more pizza-like food product to keep unprofitable "pizza" chain in business

70 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:06:26pm

re: #69 philosophus invidius

Page not found.

71 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:08:24pm

Secession petitions filed in 20 states

In the wake of last week's presidential election, thousands of Americans have signed petitions seeking permission for their states to peacefully secede from the United States. The petitions were filed on We the People, a government website.

States with citizens filing include Alabama, Arkansas, Colorado, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, New Jersey, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Oregon, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. Oddly, folks from Georgia have filed twice. Even stranger, several of the petitions come from states that went for President Barack Obama.

The petitions are short and to the point. For example, a petition from the Volunteer State reads: "Peacefully grant the State of Tennessee to withdraw from the United States of America and create its own NEW government." Of all the petitions, Texas has the most signatures so far, with more than 23,000.

Grow up and quit whining, you fucking babies.

72 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:08:31pm

re: #66 blueraven

I dont think there was any cover up, nor did Jane Mayer suggest it...just that this FBI guy is a bit of a nutcase. He wanted to make sure this got out. Evidently he thought if it came out before the election it would hurt Obama.

You know...the FOX NEWS type.

Like I said above, the freepers alone are already seeing Benghazi angles in everything that happens with this whole scandal. Cantor found out? "Well, they had to make Petraeus resign, lest Cantor call them on their blackmail material." FBI searching Broadwell's home? "They're taking evidence she had on Benghazi!" And of course they've found a few of his friends who are willing to swear that they think the "timing" is proof that the affair was used to force him to resign before he could reveal his "side" of the Benghazi events to Congress.

73 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:10:31pm

Yeah, this is no longer "Oh no, scandal, how terrible!" it's "OH BOY, SCANDAL!!! YEEHAW!!!". It's right at the tipping point into crazy.

Next up: stalking allegations and dirty laundry on just how craaay-zee his biographer is, LOLZERS! OMG!

//

74 makeitstop  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:10:34pm

I'm really expecting a boiled bunny to show up soon.

75 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:10:36pm

re: #71 Kragar

Secession petitions filed in 20 states

Grow up and quit whining, you fucking babies.

I'd like to send them a letter. No you may not secede. You are however granted your divorce from reality.

76 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:11:17pm

Antivirus pioneer McAfee sought for questioning in murder case

John McAfee, who founded the antivirus software giant named after him, is wanted for questioning by police in Belize who are investigating the murder of a 52-year-old man, CBS reported today.

According to the report, police are searching for the killer of Gregory Viant Faull, an American expat. Gizmodo reported earlier today that McAfee was wanted for the crime, but CBS, quoting Rafael Martinez, spokesman for the Belize National Security Ministry, said it would be incorrect to call McAfee a suspect at this time.

Police in Belize say Faull, a general contractor and restaurant owner from Florida, was shot Saturday night. The men had a history of quarreling.

"Last Wednesday, Gizmodo wrote, "Faull filed a formal complaint against McAfee with the mayor's office, asserting that McAfee had fired off guns and exhibited 'roguish behavior.' Their final disagreement apparently involved dogs."

Gizmodo quoted police in Belize as stating that the 52-year-old Faull was found "lying face up in a pool of blood with an apparent gunshot wound on the upper rear part of his head apparently dead."

77 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:12:23pm
78 blueraven  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:12:33pm

OMG its the 1000 years of darkness...it begins!

79 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:13:37pm

Clearly we must ban heterosexual marriage because it is a threat to national security.

//

80 dragonath  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:14:27pm

This whole thing is starting to remind me of the time I found some really lurid photographs hidden in a used Jethro Tull album.

81 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:14:51pm

re: #77 Four More Tears

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Awesome.

82 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:16:46pm

re: #77 Four More Tears

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Not at all related to the diamond space ship I'm building.

83 Petero1818  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:17:12pm

So here we are basically a month or so away from the fiscal cliff. A debate that could shape a generation of American life. Gut wrenching decisions that need to be made. A cursory review of CNN and FoxNews shows essentially no coverage of the issue. Lots of Benghazi, Patreus, and other shit that really doesn't matter. Meanwhile ....

84 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:17:18pm

re: #82 Varek Raith

Not at all related to the diamond space ship I'm building.

Do we need to send the FBI to your house next?

85 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:17:21pm

re: #71 Kragar

Secession petitions filed in 20 states

Grow up and quit whining, you fucking babies.

America iz ded! We must secede to preserve the union!

Fucking drama queens. Can't handle another four years of a black POTUS so they want to leave? Fine. Go get a passport, sell all your shit, then self-deport to whatever country will have you.

Image: memo.jpg

86 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:18:03pm

re: #84 Four More Tears

Do we need to send the FBI to your house next?

Unless they commandeer and launch a shuttle that'll be a bit of a problem.

87 Petero1818  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:18:11pm

re: #80 dragonath

This whole thing is starting to remind me of the time I found some really lurid photographs hidden in a used Jethro Tull album.

Did they involve Ian Anderson and a flute and .....never mind.

88 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:18:58pm

re: #86 Varek Raith

Unless the commandeer and launch a shuttle that'll be a bit of a problem.

Not sure where they'll find a usable shuttle at this point...

89 Petero1818  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:19:38pm

re: #88 Four More Tears

Not sure where they'll find a usable shuttle at this point...

I think the Chinese have knocked one off.//

90 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:19:52pm

re: #87 Petero1818

Did they involve Ian Anderson and a flute and .....never mind.

91 dragonath  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:20:50pm

re: #88 Four More Tears

Not sure where they'll find a usable shuttle at this point...

George Clinton knows.

92 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:24:47pm

re: #85 Lidane

Fucking drama queens. Can't handle another four years of a black POTUS so they want to leave? Fine. Go get a passport, sell all your shit, then self-deport to whatever country will have you.

Image: memo.jpg

To all wingnuts leaving the US, please consult this handy map so you don't end up in any hellhole of a country offering national health care. You'll need to steer clear of any blue or green country.

Image: healthcareworldbig1.jpg

93 RadicalModerate  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:26:17pm

I wonder how many of the signators to this so-called "secession" movement are also members of various militia and "state sovereignty" groups? Since this sort of thing is right up their alley, I get the feeling that the number is much,much higher than zero.

94 Donna Ballard  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:26:44pm

Well Kids, I'm tired and still getting over an sinus infection so I'm going to go to bed. Nity nite all! Keep on laughing!

95 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:28:46pm

Irony: People who are convinced the government is stockpiling resources to hunt down malcontents going on public records by signing their names to a petition.

Expect FEMA snatch teams at your door shortly.

96 philosophus invidius  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:29:18pm

re: #69 philosophus invidius

In other news ...
Who said Republicans aren't willing to make a sacrifice?

Fox News: Republicans agree to eat more pizza-like food product to keep unprofitable "pizza" chain in business

fixed link

97 Varek Raith  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:31:09pm

re: #92 Kragar

Universal health coverage provided by US war funding.
Ironic.

98 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:31:55pm

re: #96 philosophus invidius

fixed link

Oh for fuck's sake.

99 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:31:58pm

re: #69 philosophus invidius

In other news ...
Who said Republicans aren't willing to make a sacrifice?

Fox News: Republicans agree to eat more pizza-like food product to keep unprofitable "pizza" chain in business

The internets feel his pain:

[Link: www.quickmeme.com...]

100 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:33:00pm

re: #68 Digital Display

Giggles.
How are you? Glad not to be in DC?

101 philosophus invidius  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:35:50pm

re: #92 Kragar

To all wingnuts leaving the US, please consult this handy map so you don't end up in any hellhole of a country offering national health care. You'll need to steer clear of any blue or green country.

Image: healthcareworldbig1.jpg

I see Ukraine and Estonia are still free from the socialist menace. And Vietnam!

102 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:36:17pm

re: #15 Four More Tears

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When there's a story this sordid, it's natural fodder for comedians. The following is alleged footage of Bill Maher Sarah Silverman, Dennis Miller and Greg Gutfeld all reacting to this scandal:

103 BenghaziHoops  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:38:39pm

re: #100 Dancing along the light of day

Giggles.
How are you? Glad not to be in DC?

Hi You..Got back from the wake a little bit ago. Sad.

104 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:38:57pm
105 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:40:06pm

re: #103 Digital Display

((HUG))

106 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:42:25pm

Human intelligence slowly declining, says leading geneticist

Under the harsh circumstances that ancient humans endured, even a slight reduction in cognitive abilities could doom an individual. Those with lower cognitive abilities were more likely to die before reproducing, leaving only those with more refined cognitive abilities to pass on their genes.

Based on human’s current intellectual and emotional abilities, Crabtree speculates that our ancestors lived in a world “where every individual was exposed to nature’s raw selective mechanisms on a daily basis.”

The peak of human intelligence occurred 50,000 to 500,000 years ago, says Crabtree, when selective pressures were at their greatest.

But as humans moved from small bands of hunter-gathers to dense agriculture-based societies, the “survival of the fittest” thankfully became less and less of an every-day reality. According to Crabtree, this transition had the side-effect of taming natural selection. The lack of evolutionary pressures prevented adverse genetic mutations that slightly reduced human’s cognitive abilities from being eliminated.

107 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:42:29pm

I also figured out what that Sphere the Onion was talking about was saying that couldn't be figured out. I ran the sounds through a translator, and it said:

"Build me an army worthy of Mordor!"

108 Four More Tears  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:42:50pm
109 Lidane  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:43:17pm
110 RadicalModerate  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:44:02pm

re: #69 philosophus invidius

In other news ...
Who said Republicans aren't willing to make a sacrifice?

Fox News: Republicans agree to eat more pizza-like food product to keep unprofitable "pizza" chain in business

The amount of annual money that he's claiming that the passage of the Affordable Health Care law is going to cost him is less of a financial impact than just one of his regular 30%-off early-week specials he runs every week of the year - not to mention the sheer volume of loss-leader ads he runs in conjunction with various professional sports franchises (NFL, MLB and NBA teams that I can immediately identify). Some of these deals are more than 50% off regular price, which means his regular profit margin must be insanely high to support all of these.

111 Skip Intro  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:45:07pm

The really crappy thing about this is we're going to have declare war on somebody to get the world to stop laughing at us.

112 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:45:57pm

Rep. Randy Neugebauer: Unemployment benefits ‘incentivized people not to work’

A Republican congressman from Texas on Monday suggested that many people were too lazy to get a job because unemployment benefits had “incentivized” them not to work.

“We’ve got to the point in this country where we incentivized people not to work, instead of incentivized them to work,” Rep. Randy Neugebauer (R-TX) told KFYO’s Tom Collins and Laura Mac. “And with unemployment benefits going for as long as 99 weeks, we’ve seen food stamps in this country increase 44 percent in the last four years. And so basically, unfortunately, there’s not a lot of incentive for some people to work. And that’s a reason we’ve got to reform some of these programs.

“We shouldn’t be allowing people to game the system by maybe only working part time so that they can get these other benefits,” he added. “In some cases, there may be full-time employment offered to them, but they’ve figured out a way to work part time and still get these additional benefits.”

Yeah, when I got laid off before and went down to only making $800 a month on unemployment, I kept thinking "WOOHOO! I'VE GOT IT MADE!" I don't know what I was thinking actually taking a paying job with benefits again after that.

113 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:46:12pm

re: #109 Lidane

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"Dr." P and the Women...

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114 wheat-dogghazi  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:46:51pm

re: #99 Lidane

The internets feel his pain:

[Link: www.quickmeme.com...]

Schnatter is a prick generally, from what I've heard from his neighbors in Louisville. It is true that he has a ginormous house in the East End of Louisville, basically financed the refurb of the U of L Cardinals Stadium (now named Papa John's Stadium) and was all gung-ho about the new arena in downtown Louisville. Nevermind that Louisville doesn't have a NBA team to play in it.

His pizza is so-so. He left Pizza Hut to start his own company and in that he succeeded, but the product is nothing wonderful. If you're in Louisville ever, try the local shops, like Wick's or Impellizeri's. Much. much better.

115 philosophus invidius  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:47:38pm

re: #110 RadicalModerate

I suppose those are all investments in the brand.

116 erik_t  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:48:45pm

re: #10 Four More Tears

@CBSNews UPS stops Boy Scout funding over anti-gay policy; Intel also ceased funding - cbsn.ws/SY27Rz

I'm gonna, like... ship something tomorrow. No idea what or to where.

(quit at Life because got driver's license and then girls)

117 philosophus invidius  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:49:32pm

re: #112 Kragar

Rep. Randy Neugebauer: Unemployment benefits ‘incentivized people not to work’

Yeah, when I got laid off before and went down to only making $800 a month on unemployment, I kept thinking "WOOHOO! I'VE GOT IT MADE!" I don't know what I was thinking actually taking a paying job with benefits again after that.

Wait, I thought unemployment was caused by Obama's anti-business regulations.

118 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:50:31pm

re: #117 philosophus invidius

Wait, I thought unemployment was caused by Obama's anti-business regulations.

This was back in 2004, so Obama's been a busy, busy man.

119 dragonath  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:51:06pm

re: #114 wheat-dogghazi

His pizza is so-so. He left Pizza Hut to start his own company and in that he succeeded, but the product is nothing wonderful. If you're in Louisville ever, try the local shops, like Wick's or Impellizeri's. Much. much better.

What really disturbs me is the apparent nexus between hot wingnuts and hot pizza.

Godfathers, Dominos, Papa Johns...

120 sagehen  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:51:59pm

when do we get to the blue dress?

121 Destro  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:52:28pm

Based on every spy book or movie ever made I assumed tawdry sex came with the job. You mean it's frowned upon? What a gyp....

122 Destro  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:53:35pm

re: #119 dragonath

What really disturbs me is the apparent nexus between hot wingnuts and hot pizza.

Godfathers, Dominos, Papa Johns...

They make their money exploiting underpaid labor. Kind of makes sense actually.

123 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:54:39pm

re: #121 Destro

Based on every spy book or movie ever made I assumed tawdry sex came with the job. You mean it's frowned upon? What a gyp....

Petraeus around the same time as Skyfall opening? Coincidence?

124 dragonath  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:54:43pm

re: #121 Destro

Maybe that's more of a Commonwealth thing....

125 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:56:20pm

Bond's biographer would not have had a ghost writer.

126 Stanghazi  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:56:25pm
127 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:59:16pm

re: #120 sagehen

when do we get to the blue dress?

When Fox News breathlessly reports that Ms. Broadwell was once in the same room as Bill Clinton.

OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!!

128 darthstar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 8:59:44pm

Thinking of moving to Canada? Fox is here to help.

[Link: front.moveon.org...]

129 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:00:20pm

re: #127 Dark_Falcon

When Fox News breathlessly reports that Ms. Broadwell was once in the same room as Bill Clinton.

Does she like cigars?

130 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:01:15pm

5 Reasons James Bond Might Be the Worst Spy Ever

[Link: www.cracked.com...]

131 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:05:47pm

re: #129 Gus

Does she like cigars?

No. But given how silly this whole story is, I'm thinking that she picked up a large supply of Afghan Mary Jane and was smoking some of it when she decided that having sex with a married general was a good idea.

Reefer Madness?

132 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:08:05pm

re: #131 Dark_Falcon

No. But given how silly this whole story is, I'm thinking that she picked up a large supply of Afghan Mary Jane and was smoking some of it when she decided that having sex with a married general was a good idea.

Reefer Madness?

You know. I don't think I ever saw that film. Maybe I did.

133 dragonath  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:10:42pm

re: #132 Gus

You know. I don't think I ever saw that film. Maybe I did.

You're missing a great piano player.

134 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:10:52pm

re: #132 Gus

You know. I don't think I ever saw that film. Maybe I did.

Easily fixed:

135 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:11:13pm

Listening to this.

136 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:11:31pm

re: #133 dragonath

You're missing a great piano player.

Image: ReeferMadness_04.JPG

137 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:11:54pm

re: #134 Kragar

Easily fixed:

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I watch it in a metaphorical realist state. //

138 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:11:58pm

re: #65 Lidane

But remember kids -- marriage is a sacred institution that must be upheld and preserved, or we will descend into an apocalyptic nightmare.

Clearly. What do you think this is?

139 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:12:11pm

re: #136 Kragar

Image: ReeferMadness_04.JPG

Dastardly!

140 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:13:37pm

re: #101 philosophus invidius

I see Ukraine and Estonia are still free from the socialist menace. And Vietnam!

Well, if I have to pick one of those, Vietnam. Food is much better.

141 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:14:08pm

re: #137 Gus

I watch it in a metaphorical realist state. //

In other words, you'll watch it when you're drunk, right?

//

142 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:14:26pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

In other words, you'll watch it when you're drunk, right?

//

Probably not.

143 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:14:49pm

re: #132 Gus

You know. I don't think I ever saw that film. Maybe I did.

The musical is better than the original movie.

144 Kaessa  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:14:52pm

re: #136 Kragar

Image: ReeferMadness_04.JPG

GREAT hairdo. /

145 dragonath  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:15:28pm

re: #139 Gus

Ah, the 30s, when you could still get away with a haircut like that.

146 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:16:05pm

re: #139 Gus

Dastardly!

147 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:16:18pm

re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist

The musical is better than the original movie.

I also highly recommend the great "Listen to Jesus, Jimmy".

148 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:18:59pm

All I can say about "Reefer Madness" is that I really want some of that good weed they apparently had back in the 30s. I mean, seriously. Modern pot is not that great, but this stuff apparently gave you full-color surround-sound hallucinations with singing and choreographed orgies with a single puff.

149 BongCrodny  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:19:50pm

re: #112 Kragar

Rep. Randy Neugebauer: Unemployment benefits ‘incentivized people not to work’

Yeah, when I got laid off before and went down to only making $800 a month on unemployment, I kept thinking "WOOHOO! I'VE GOT IT MADE!" I don't know what I was thinking actually taking a paying job with benefits again after that.

Yep. I'm getting $218 a week in unemployment benefits.

I hope to live like this the rest of my life.

150 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:20:19pm

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

All I can say about "Reefer Madness" is that I really want some of that good weed they apparently had back in the 30s. I mean, seriously. Modern pot is not that great, but this stuff apparently gave you full-color surround-sound hallucinations with singing and choreographed orgies with a single puff.

Yeah. Not even the finest bud causes hallucinations. Most is like a semi manic state. Or the reverse which is most prevalent, a mellow state.

151 HappyWarrior  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:22:01pm

re: #149 BongCrodny

Yep. I'm getting $218 a week in unemployment benefits.

I hope to live like this the rest of my life.

It's the same attitude they have when they act like people like living off of welfare. They have no fucking clue.

152 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:23:47pm

re: #151 HappyWarrior

It's the same attitude they have when they act like people like living off of welfare. They have no fucking clue.

"They got a cellphone, a microwave, and air conditioning, they're practically rich!"

153 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:24:58pm
154 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:26:25pm

re: #152 Kragar

"They got a cellphone, a microwave, and air conditioning, they're practically rich!"

I don't feel rich, but I got an email tonight that I've got a second interview tomorrow that I really wanted. So now I'm feeling better than I did a few hours ago.

155 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:30:59pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

I don't feel rich, but I got an email tonight that I've got a second interview tomorrow that I really wanted. So now I'm feeling better than I did a few hours ago.

Excellent!

156 Joanne  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:31:12pm

re: #110 RadicalModerate

The amount of annual money that he's claiming that the passage of the Affordable Health Care law is going to cost him is less of a financial impact than just one of his regular 30%-off early-week specials he runs every week of the year - not to mention the sheer volume of loss-leader ads he runs in conjunction with various professional sports franchises (NFL, MLB and NBA teams that I can immediately identify). Some of these deals are more than 50% off regular price, which means his regular profit margin must be insanely high to support all of these.

I used to know a guy who owned two pizza places. The margins are ridiculous I mean he made serious money from them. And he was no Papa John's.

157 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:34:18pm

I find this whole Petraeus thing to be really low priority.

158 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:36:42pm

re: #157 Gus

I find this whole Petraeus thing to be really low priority.

BENGHAZI!

159 CuriousLurker  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:38:58pm

re: #153 Gus

REAL Americans™ ;)

160 CuriousLurker  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:40:20pm

re: #159 CuriousLurker

REAL Americans™ ;)

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ZOMG, they're brown. And they look like...*gasp*...hippies.

161 simoom  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:41:10pm

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

The emails that Jill Kelley showed an FBI friend near the start of last summer were not jealous lover warnings like “stay away from my man,” a knowledgeable source tells The Daily Beast.

...

“More like, ‘Who do you think you are? … You parade around the base … You need to take it down a notch,’” according to the source, who was until recently at the highest levels of the intelligence community and prefers not to be identified by name.

The base described is MacDill Air Force Base in Florida, where Kelley serves as an unpaid “social liaison.” The source reports that the emails did make one reference to Gen. David Petraeus, but it was oblique and offered no manifest suggestion of a personal relationship or even that he was central to the sender’s spite.

...

When the FBI friend showed the emails to the cyber squad in the Tampa field office, her fellow agents noted that the absence of any overt threats.

“No, ‘I’ll kill you’ or ‘I'll burn your house down,’” the source says. “It doesn’t seem really that bad.”

The squad was not even sure the case was worth pursuing, the source says.

“What does this mean? There’s no threat there. This is against the law?” the agents asked themselves by the source’s account.

At most the messages were harassing. The cyber squad had to consult the statute books in its effort to determine whether there was adequate legal cause to open a case.

“It was a close call,” the source says.

What tipped it may have been Kelley’s friendship with the agent.

162 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:42:17pm

re: #159 CuriousLurker

REAL Americans™ ;)

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163 Joanne  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:46:01pm

re: #149 BongCrodny

Yep. I'm getting $218 a week in unemployment benefits.

I hope to live like this the rest of my life.

I was getting $1500 a month on UE, significantly less than my prior wages. And no healthcare (rejected for preexisting conditions-not that I could have afforded it anyway). I got UE for six months then started doing contract work which more than doubled that. Finally now I'm doing FT work again, benes to come in 90 days.

Yeah, I want to barely pay all my creditors while eating Mac and cheese. Them's is some good times.

What an asshole. Fucking pathological, cruel bastards. Every last one.

164 Gus  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:46:44pm

re: #159 CuriousLurker

REAL Americans™ ;)

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Know the song too. Hup! Hup!

165 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:51:31pm

I sure everyone will be shocked to discover that the fever swamps of the internet have decided that the vagina-haver is to blame for Gen Petraeus's fall.

Featuring such profound thought as:

Let's face it, everyone is human, and we all make mistakes. You're a 60 year-old man and an attractive woman almost half your age makes herself available to you — that would be a test for anyone.

and

Elizabeth Warren and her homewrecking staffers not even in Washington yet and already threatening national security.

While Ms. Broadwell may have things to answer for, but the aggression against "sluts" and blame-shifting involved are just another wellspring of misogyny.

166 Joanne  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:53:29pm

re: #165 The Questionable Timing of a Flea

Yes because we all have super powered, 1500 hp vajayjays. Men are powerless against all that power.

167 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 9:59:03pm

re: #166 Joanne

Yes because we all have super powered, 1500 hp vajayjays. Men are powerless against all that power.

All Hail Hypnodownthere.

168 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 10:10:52pm

re: #166 Joanne

Yes because we all have super powered, 1500 hp vajayjays. Men are powerless against all that power.

Obviously we should only trust important matters of national security to those who are immune to its powers and hire only homosexuals for intelligence operations.
///

169 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 10:17:35pm

Flashback to Nov. 4th 2008...

Barack Obama will win by a landslide.

America will lose its national soverignty and become part of the North American Union.

The dollar will be phased out and the Amero will be phased in.

Because of the sinking value of the dollar and the stock market collapse (both of which are being engineered on purpose by the banking elite), the population will embrace the above with open arms.

Obama, considering himself a citizen of the world rather than of the US, with all of his "change the world" rhetoric, will make huge strides towards aglobal government, giving the UN the ability to tax and govern.

There will be a global UN tax on carbon emmissions, even though global warming is a proven scam.

Scientists who dissent against the global warming dogma will be censored, just as scientists who dissent against the evolution dogma are.

It will be illegal to preach against sodomy, effectively making it illegal to be a true Christian.

Godless global socialism will rule the world.

Jesus will come back and yell "surprise" and throw everyone into Hell.

It's a mostly sad story but at least we know it has a happy ending.

So much for your "happy ending" and all your predictions. :p

170 Joanne  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 10:20:58pm

Heh!

171 Ben G. Hazi  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 10:22:47pm

re: #110 RadicalModerate

The amount of annual money that he's claiming that the passage of the Affordable Health Care law is going to cost him is less of a financial impact than just one of his regular 30%-off early-week specials he runs every week of the year - not to mention the sheer volume of loss-leader ads he runs in conjunction with various professional sports franchises (NFL, MLB and NBA teams that I can immediately identify). Some of these deals are more than 50% off regular price, which means his regular profit margin must be insanely high to support all of these.

re: #156 Joanne

I used to know a guy who owned two pizza places. The margins are ridiculous I mean he made serious money from them. And he was no Papa John's.

Watching some of the Food Network and Cooking Channel shows, I seen where it's been said that a bog-standard 12"-14" pepperoni pizza made from scratch in a restaurant costs about two bucks to make.

172 Joanne  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 10:26:19pm

re: #171 Ben G. Hazi

I bet that two bucks is retail (consumer). If you're buying in restaurant bulk, I'd bet it's more like a buck and a quarter.

173 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 10:26:50pm

Butthurt.
That is all.

174 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 10:26:54pm

re: #171 Ben G. Hazi

re: #156 Joanne

Watching some of the Food Network and Cooking Channel shows, I seen where it's been said that a bog-standard 12"-14" pepperoni pizza made from scratch in a restaurant costs about two bucks to make.

Any time you cook at home, you'll come out ahead price wise.

175 Joanne  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 10:38:38pm

Scandal probe ensnares commander of U.S., NATO troops in Afghanistan

The FBI has found between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of "potentially inappropriate" e-mails between Gen. John R. Allen and Jill Kelley, the 37-year-old Tampa woman allegedly threatened by David Petraeus’s mistress.

Allen, a Marine, succeeded Petraeus as the top allied commander in Afghanistan in July 2011.

Read more at:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

176 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 10:53:27pm

re: #175 Joanne

Uniform groupie?

177 Joanne  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 10:57:37pm

re: #176 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Uniform groupie?

Exactly my thought.

178 simoom  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 11:03:03pm

re: #176 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Uniform groupie?

Apparently, the proper terminology is "honorary ambassador" or "honorary consul" to the military :P.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Kelley could not be reached for comment. She was spotted driving away from her Tampa home on Monday in a car with "Honorary Consul" on the license plate. She is considered an unofficial ambassador at the MacDill base, promoting community relations with foreign liaison officers, said a source familiar with the situation.

...

Kelley's vocation has been to be an "honorary ambassador" to the military, her brother said. "She has always wanted to take a certain role, in giving back to the community," he said.

Also later in that article, there's this:

Kelley, 37, also has an identical twin sister, Natalie Khawam, with whom she appears with Holly and David Petraeus and her husband in a 2010 photo published in newspapers on Monday.

Court records show Kelley played a role in a bitter child custody trial that preceded the divorce case between Khawam, and Khawam's then-husband, Grayson Wolfe of Washington, who once worked for the Coalition Provisional Authority in Iraq.

In a scathing decision in November, 2011 against Khawam that granted sole primary and legal custody of their then 3-year-old son to Wolfe, District of Columbia Superior Court Judge Neal Kravitz refused to believe Kelley's claims that Wolfe had tried to push her sister down a flight of steps in Kelley's Tampa home.

"The court does not credit this testimony," Kravitz wrote, calling Kelley "a patently biased and unbelievable witness."

179 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 11:08:38pm

re: #178 simoom

Apparently, the proper terminology is "honorary ambassador" or "honorary consul" to the military :P.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

Also later in that article, there's this:

Or a barracks bunny if you're talking about enlisted.

180 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 11:14:36pm

re: #179 Kragar

LOL!
Barracks bunny?

181 Kragar  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 11:23:51pm

re: #180 Dancing along the light of day

LOL!
Barracks bunny?

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Yup, you can tell by their distinctive behavior as they hop from room to room foraging and looking for potential mates.

182 Targetpractice  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 11:30:18pm

Is there an unwritten rule that says that, when you think you've started to get the hang of a video game, it is required to stomp on your ass and make you its bitch?

183 simoom  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 11:32:27pm

As things currently stand almost the entirety of my ire is directed at Petraeus and the "obsessed" FBI investigator who was leaking all over the place after being told to stay away from the case. Petraeus in particular knew his status as a worldwide figurehead, a symbol of American covert power, and he gambled it away through engaging in extremely risky behavior. He must have felt it was worth it at the time, though I doubt he does now that it's all come crashing down around his ears.

I'm off to bed. C'ya all.

184 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 11:40:12pm

re: #161 simoom

When the FBI friend showed the emails to the cyber squad in the Tampa field office, her fellow agents noted that the absence of any overt threats.

Her? Is this the same "friend" agent they told to stay away from the case and sent Kelley a picture with their shirt off? This thing just gets weirder all the time...

From the previous reporting I thought they were talking about a man?

185 freetoken  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 11:40:51pm

re: #184 watching you tiny alien kittens are

The pronouns are confusing me too.

186 freetoken  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 11:44:03pm

On another topic, DWTS has plumbed new depths of smarmy, and I am finding it increasingly difficult to watch. Unlike its parent BBC show, Strictly Come Dancing, which still attempts remotely about being a dance competition, DWTS now is nothing more than self medication to make Americans feel good about themselves.

The "judges" have gone beyond being superfluous and now are dragging the show down by slowing up the pace of the overall show.

187 freetoken  Mon, Nov 12, 2012 11:58:16pm

Jessye Norman singing Gounod:

188 simoom  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:03:19am

Back for just a second. This seems to perhaps answer my earlier question as to why the shirtless pic sending, "obsessed" FBI investigator leaked first to Rep. Reichert. Apparently they're pals:

[Link: www.nydailynews.com...]

Rep. Dave Reichert (R-Wash.) confirmed Sunday he first learned of the affair several months ago from a friend who knows Kelley. Reichert told House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), who put Kelley in touch with FBI Director Robert Mueller.

It's the NYDailyNews so take it all with a grain of salt. I'm off to bed again.

189 efuseakay  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:14:30am

Black Ops II downloading via Steam. Now I can finally go to sleep.

190 researchok  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:45:09am

Morning, all

191 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:50:47am

America is, obviously to anyone, a mongrel of a nation but there is still a Puritanical America (witness the horror of finding out good ol' Christian Petraeus has been on secret missions of a libidinous kind...) and when it comes to demographics one of the ironic things about American entertainment is how number one rated show like DWTS tries to simultaneously market itself to the Christian Patriot (e.g., Palins) crowd as well as the licentious Hollywood anything-goes viewership.

Anyway, on Monday's DWTS the theme was honoring the military (which they overplayed significantly) and all that, playing of course to the "traditional" demographic that makes up so much of the shows viewers (which are significantly older than any other #1 show weeknights.)

Yet when I see contestant Gil Marini's partner's outfit for his second number it just strikes me as being, well, bordering on leaving the "family entertainment" genre. Petra's second costume was cut low, so low that the only other professions which have women wear bottoms cut so low are professional bodybuilders when they are doing their mandatory poses, and strippers.

It's not that I mind her costume, but it just seems to me to be yet another example of how unwilling we are as a society to be honest to ourselves.

192 researchok  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:52:26am

re: #187 freetoken

What a voice- the piece really showcases her great range.

TY

193 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:56:23am

Chris Cornell - Sunshower (Euphoria Morning - JP ver)

194 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:01:11am

And the best song from the Temple of the Dog, which never gets any airplay because of "say hello to heaven" and "hunger strike."

195 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:09:05am

This little escapade reminds us that people entrusted with lofty and challenging goals like maintaining national security are still human beings with human weaknesses and foibles.

This is why we need checks & balances within the system, why we need the right to petition for the redress of grievances (the first thing that is tossed overboard when we approve warrantless searches & wiretapping) and a realization that the Ends Do Not Justify the Means, no matter how righteous they might be.

196 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:36:43am

The FBI needs to stop investigating or we're not going to have any generals left.

197 Usually refered to as anyways  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:39:56am

re: #196 Obdicut

The FBI needs to stop investigating or we're not going to have any generals left.

Worse if you were left with General Chaos.
Look how the rights handling it.

198 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:43:36am

re: #197 Usually refered to as anyways

Worse if you were left with General Chaos.
Look how the rights handling it.

I'm guessing something like:


This is obviously because we let gays in the military. The generals are simply inoculating themselves against the homo-virus by any means necessary.

199 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:51:03am

Ah shit. It appears Jill Kelley's original last name was Khawam. Which is a Middle Eastern Name.

200 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:54:44am

Ka-WHAM!!!

201 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:01:19am

re: #199 Obdicut

This whole thing will make a great spy novel some day.

202 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:01:27am

Hey, the gang is all here...

Kelley and company.

Celebration: (Left to right) Jill Kelley's twin sister Natalie Khawam, Gen Petraeus, Scott and Mrs Kelley, and Holly Petraeus watch the Gasparilla parade from the Kelley family's front lawn in this 2010 photo.

203 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:02:45am

re: #202 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Hey, the gang is all here...

Kelley and company.

Celebration: (Left to right) Jill Kelley's twin sister Natalie Khawam, Gen Petraeus, Scott and Mrs Kelley, and Holly Petraeus watch the Gasparilla parade from the Kelley family's front lawn in this 2010 photo.

They look like they could be the new cast for "Jersey Shore"...

204 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:09:40am

The level of unreasoning confirmation bias on the wingnut sites is really getting sickening. I get so pissed off sometimes when reading through some of their threads. Anything said by the media that doesn't conform to their views is dismissed out of hand. Yet when something is reported incorrectly or someone makes up a story about a report that supports what they want to believe it becomes gospel. Countless words written by thousands of people and reported in hundreds of news stories say Obama is not a Muslim yet you read...

OMG LIBRUL MEDIA COVERUP AND LIES HES A SECRET MUSLIM YOUR ALL BRAINWASHED SHEEP!!!

If someone points out that an anti-Obama article they are citing was proven incorrect or worse that it used evidence that was simply made up and you get...

OMG I ALWAYS LISTEN TO THE NEWS ITS TRUSTWORTHY YOU PEOPLE SAYING ITS FAKE ARE BRAINWASHED SHEEP!!!

Arrrrgggghh!

205 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:12:07am

re: #204 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Life in the bubble. Romney still won in the Bubble, America is still run by hard-working white people and there are no Muslims in any positions of power in politics...

206 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:43:10am

Why it's so hard to keep it in your pants? I've been with my wife 18 years and I wouldn't even think of betraying her. I would also hope if she ever wanted to leave would have the decency to tell me she wants to leave before cheating. I mean if it ain't working out it ain't working out. Move on.

207 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:00:02am

re: #206 Amory Blaine

Why it's so hard to keep it in your pants? I've been with my wife 18 years and I wouldn't even think of betraying her. I would also hope if she ever wanted to leave would have the decency to tell me she wants to leave before cheating. I mean if it ain't working out it ain't working out. Move on.

Beyond any moral aspects of cheating, there is the simple matter of respect and common courtesy. How can you live with a person and treat them like that?

I recall a friend who had had an affair with a married man and was devastated to find out later that he had yet another girlfreind on the side. She felt as if he had been, well, cheating on her.

I explained that she was dealing with a person who lies at least a half dozen times before breakfast, a slick sociopath who lives and breathes lies, what can you expect?

208 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:08:36am

Wisconsin wingnuts, being wingnuts,

Wisconsin Patriot Groups Encourage Gov. Walker to “Pass” on State-Created Exchanges

Governor Scott Walker delayed the implementation of the misnamed Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (“Obamacare”) as much as possible in Wisconsin until after the 2012 Presidential Election, and we, the undersigned, applaud his efforts in such regard. With President Obama’s reelection to a second term, however, it is now clear that Obamacare will not be repealed by the Federal Government. As a result, by November 16, 2012, Governor Walker must decide if the State of Wisconsin shall create health insurance exchanges, or if the State shall instead allow the Federal Government to create the health insurance exchanges for Wisconsin.

209 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:12:45am

re: #207 Sol Berdinowitz

I'm not going to jump in on universal condemnation of infidelity. Humans are humans. We go through a lot. A couple can have troubles, can fall apart, have infidelity, and come back together again.

There is nothing inherently worse in cheating than there is, say, gambling without telling your significant other or hanging out with a friend they don't like, etc. The way that it becomes worse is pretty much solely in their reaction: if you know it'll devestate your wife for you to cheat, then cheating is an awful thing to do. No debate.

But what I object to is people insisting that this is how it should be for everyone. There are couples-- not swingers, not wife-frame-glasses-wearing-sexoperimenters-- for whom cheating isn't so world-rocking. And that's okay.

We're unusually intense about infidelity in the US, as compared to many other countries. We're more similar to other highly religious countries on this score than we are to non-religious ones. I think a lot of people in our culture view cheating through a societal lens.

I don't have it to hand, but there was a large review of couples who had divorced because of infidelity (in the US). More than 50% of them afterwards said that they regretted the decision and, if given the chance, wouldn't go through with the divorce.

Most of all, it's entirely the business of the couple. One of the ugliest parts of the Clinton-Lewinsky thing was people castigating Hillary for staying with Bill. I don't get the urge to judge others for that sort of thing. It's between them.

210 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:17:54am

re: #208 Amory Blaine

Wisconsin wingnuts, being wingnuts,

Wisconsin Patriot Groups Encourage Gov. Walker to “Pass” on State-Created Exchanges

These are people who a) hate Obamacare for its name and b) have not read the legislation.

If Scott Walker fails to set up a state-run exchange, the federal government is authorized to step in and set one up for them. Just the sort of thing these wingnuts want to see, right?

211 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:21:46am

re: #210 Sol Berdinowitz

These are people who a) hate Obamacare for its name and b) have not read the legislation.

If Scott Walker fails to set up a state-run exchange, the federal government is authorized to step in and set one up for them. Just the sort of thing these wingnuts want to see, right?

I'm hoping a lot of the GOP governors pass on it, because they'd probably find a way to set it up all screwy.

212 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:27:43am

re: #211 Obdicut

I'm hoping a lot of the GOP governors pass on it, because they'd probably find a way to set it up all screwy.

There's method to the madness: red states will pass on their option, at which point the feds will be compelled to come and intervene, which will all be cited as another example of how Obama wants to organze a government takeover of our lives and bodies.

213 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:32:49am

Morning Honcos.

214 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:36:11am

re: #213 Cannadian Club Akbar

Morning Honcos.

I found this for you.

It's Welsh.
Image: 41uYXM48%2BgL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

215 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:40:01am

re: #214 Obdicut

I found this for you.

It's Welsh.
Image: 41uYXM48%2BgL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

I found this for you. It's Welsh.
[Link: allrecipes.com...]

216 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:40:22am

Greetings from Portugal!

There's a general strike tomorrow, when I'm supposed to fly back, so I may be stuck here. Go Labor!

Here's a poster: Image: 8181790467_89878b9d68_b.jpg

Portugal is pleasant enough. It's nice seeing statues of all the explorers we learned about in grade school, like Vasco Da Gama and Pico De Gallo. I'm sure General Pico De Gallo never cheated on his wife!

I have some photos here:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

217 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:42:19am

re: #10 Four More Tears

Intel stopped funding them! Great! Now I can finally upgrade my PPC Macintosh.

218 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:46:03am

re: #216 ReamWorks SKG

I'm not a Pico De Gallo fan. People always use too much cilantro.
/

219 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:47:29am

re: #215 Cannadian Club Akbar

I found this for you. It's Welsh.
[Link: allrecipes.com...]

I used to make that a lot. My gramma loved it. Beer-cheese is a good combo.

220 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:48:09am

re: #218 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm not a Pico De Gallo fan. People always use too much cilantro.
/

cannot have too much cilantro...

221 Tigger2005  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:48:24am

I"m confused about who is doing who now. Could somebody draw me a diagram?

222 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:49:12am

re: #221 Tigger2005

Image: hMinp.png

It's going to need 3d representation if this continues.

223 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:50:27am

What's funny about this:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

is that Republicans like it because it hits blue states the hardest, and Democrats like it because it raises taxes on the "rich." It's the perfect storm. And it's why my and my company started planning to expatriate ourselves within 3 years.

224 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:52:56am

re: #223 ReamWorks SKG

You're seriously going to leave the US to avoid paying higher taxes?

225 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:54:06am

The barflytom stratagem

226 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:55:40am

re: #224 Obdicut

No. I'd leave the US to avoid unfair taxes. I'd be happy if everyone paid 40%.

If you make, say, $1,000,000 year and still live in CA after prop 30, this tax proposal that both Romney and the Dems like will kill you! With a deduction cap of $28,000, you'd be taxed twice--first at 14.4% and then at 39.5%--on your income. Are the Democrats really so stupid (disclaimer! I'm a registered Democrat) that they don't realize Romney wants this cap to destroy high-tax blue states?

227 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:58:25am

re: #226 ReamWorks SKG

No. I'd leave the US to avoid unfair taxes. I'd be happy if everyone paid 40%.

Fairness and taxation have nothing to do with each other. Literally, you're going to leave to avoid paying higher taxes. That's what's going down.

And everyone would have to pay 40%-- on whatever level of income it is that you're hitting.

Where are you going?

228 Flounder  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:00:51am

I have a chest cold, and I am lauging so friggin hard I think I'm gonna pass out. Can't wait to log onto my personal laptop and start updinging! I sound like a barking seal, luckily I have no neighbors.

229 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:01:30am

Gilbert PD: Daniel Solomon run over by wife, Holly Solomon, for not voting
GILBERT, AZ - A Mesa woman was arrested Saturday after she allegedly chased her husband around a Gilbert parking lot in an SUV during an argument over the presidential election.
[Link: www.abc15.com...]

D'oh!!!

230 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:01:48am

re: #227 Obdicut

I'd be fine with everyone paying 40%, including me. I just don't want to be the only sucker paying it.


(I'm in the TAP lounge right now at Lisbon airport! Free alcohol! So forgive me if I start getting more incoherent than usual!)

231 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:05:25am

re: #230 ReamWorks SKG

I'd be fine with everyone paying 40%, including me. I just don't want to be the only sucker paying it.

Well, you wouldn't/won't be. Unless the law is actually called "Get Reuven to pay for everything".

I don't think a hard cap on deductions is a good idea. If we want to reform deductions, we should get rid of them rather than capping them, and I think that raising the higher tax rates-- or creating more steps on progressive income-- would be better.

But I can't really tell-- it sort of sounds like you're arguing for a 40% flat tax, which would be massively regressive. A guy getting by on minimum wage would have to pay about $6000 in taxes and be left with about $9000 for the year. What sense does that make?

232 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:07:57am

re: #230 ReamWorks SKG

I'd be fine with everyone paying 40%, including me. I just don't want to be the only sucker paying it.

(I'm in the TAP lounge right now at Lisbon airport! Free alcohol! So forgive me if I start getting more incoherent than usual!)

When you say "everybody" do you mean everybody at your income level, or every-freaking-body including low wage earners, that Obdi mentioned in the previous post?

233 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:09:13am

I think we really need to simply the tax code, removing a buttload of the exemptions and the deferred this and the penalty that so that people stop being left with the uneasy feeling that everyone else is gaming the system better than they are.

Also, it's totally biased towards those with large amount of capital assets who can structure their 'income' however they want.

234 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:09:21am

I think everybody should pay something. Certainly the first $40K or so should be at 10%. And I'm all for getting rid of ALL deductions.

But this "deduction cap" is a trap! It will mainly get the "limousine liberals", which are a group particularly despised by Republicans. Obama should not fall for it.

Sales taxes are regressive. I don't like them. But income taxes aren't.

235 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:11:22am

re: #234 ReamWorks SKG

Obama isn't in favor of it. It's other Democrats who are. And i really don't get the point of making a dude who only makes $16k a year pay $1,600. Can you explain it to me? He's already below the poverty level. What's the point in digging out that 1.6K?

236 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:12:32am

re: #235 Obdicut

It's so we all feel like we're part of America and to eliminate the shock of paying taxes as his situation improves.

Tax him, and then hand him cash back. But at least he's "used" to paying income tax.

237 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:13:24am

Yes, because income tax is the only tax.
Poor people pay no taxes.
Right.
9_9

238 Flounder  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:13:28am

Just keep raising the standard deduction and raise tax rates, no one will figure it out.

239 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:13:35am

re: #236 ReamWorks SKG

It's so we all feel like we're part of America.

I don't get this. Why would paying that money make him feel part of America?

Tax him, and then hand him cash back. But at least he's "used" to paying income tax.

And that gets us what? I mean, that dude is already paying payroll tax and social security tax. So why is income tax some sort of sacred ritual?

240 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:13:36am

The idea of lower overall tax rates is that people are currently putting more effort into avoiding taxes than they are in generating more income. It is no coincidence that General Electric, which pays almost nothing in taxes, has the largest legal department of any corporation in the world.

For them it is simply a mater of return on investment: the system is skwered so that they have more to gain from hiring a lawyer than from hiring another engineer or worker.

241 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:14:46am

re: #240 Sol Berdinowitz

The idea of lower overall tax rates is tht people are currently putting more effort into avoiding taxes than they are in generating more income. It is no coincidence that general Electric, which pays almost nothing in taxes, has the largest legal department of any corporation in the world.

For them it is simply a mater of return on investment, they have more to gain from hiring a lawyer than from hiring another engineer or worker.

Yeah. This is why I want 0% corporate income taxes, focus on income taxes on individuals, and get rid of the vast majority of deductions. Spend less time playing silly tax games.

242 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:15:26am

re: #236 ReamWorks SKG

It's so we all feel like we're part of America. Tax him, and then hand him cash back. But at least he's "used" to paying income tax.

That utterly sucks. Even someone making minimum wage pays tax in the form of sales tax and payroll withholding. Making them pay income tax on top of that is just taking away money they need to survive.

243 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:15:42am

Because leaving your country because of a ~3% tax raise is so freaking patriotic.

244 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:16:19am

So where are taxes lower? Certainly not Canada, the UK or most of Europe.

245 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:16:48am

re: #233 Obdicut

I think we really need to simply the tax code, removing a buttload of the exemptions and the deferred this and t...

But, those exemptions, deductions, and what-nots are there because of ... democracy.

It's the peoples' Representatives who wrote them in there, for the express purpose of encoding the will of the constituents.

246 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:17:07am

re: #244 wheat-dogghazi

So where are taxes lower? Certainly not Canada, the UK or most of Europe.

Somalia.

247 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:17:15am

re: #239 Obdicut

In fact, it is part of a "sacred ritual", laws derived from the Hebrew Bible:


A person should not think: How can I reduce my wealth by giving it to the poor? He must realize that the money is not his, but rather a trust granted to him in order to carry out the will of the One who entrusted it to him. This is the portion which he will ultimately receive for all his labor in this world, as [Isaiah 58:8] states: "Your tzedakah will proceed before you." Tzedakah wards off harsh decrees and prolongs one's life.

2. Every person is obligated to give charity according to his potential, even a poor man who derives his livelihood from charity. If he has some money of his own which he does not invest in business, he is permitted to take charity since the principal is not invested in a manner which will allow him to live off the profits. Nevertheless, since he has a base which could provide an income, he is obligated to give tzedakah from what is being given him.

See [Link: www.torah.org...]

248 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:17:46am
249 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:18:28am

re: #245 freetoken

But, those exemptions, deductions, and what-nots are there because of ... democracy.

It's the peoples' Representatives who wrote them in there, for the express purpose of encoding the will of the constituents.

No shit, Sherlock. Did you have a point?

250 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:18:59am

re: #249 Obdicut

No shit, Sherlock. Did you have a point?

Yes.

You're not going to get rid of them.

And, why are you in such a surly mood so early?

251 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:19:13am

re: #247 ReamWorks SKG

How would payroll taxes not fulfill that?

252 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:19:19am

Yeah, but how fair is it when the majority can vote to raise the minority's taxes. That's why a more flattish system is better and fairer.

253 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:21:00am

re: #252 ReamWorks SKG

Yeah, but how fair is it when the majority can vote to raise the minority's taxes. That's why a more flattish system is better and fairer.

It's not better and fairer, it places an undue burden on the poor.

254 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:21:09am

re: #250 freetoken

Yes.

You're not going to get rid of them.

Oh, man, I thought that by stating I wanted 0% corporate income tax and to get rid of exemptions, that that's all it took, and it'd start happening tomorrow. Now I now this is not the case. Thanks!

It's almost as if in order to create legislative change you have to work your ass off it and lobby for years and support candidates who champion your vision, etc.

And, why are you in such a surly mood so early?

Because stating the completely fucking obvious isn't really helpful, nor is being a complete doomer about it. Yeah, we have the exemptions because people voted for people who voted for them. Yeah, they'll be difficult to get rid of. Not impossible-- difficult.

255 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:21:30am

re: #251 Obdicut

You're supposed to be getting your payroll taxes back in the form of SS and benefits (and uemployment insurance, etc.). Of course, when they start means testing it.

Please remember that I'm no anti-tax right winger. I want fairness, not low taxes. I want there to be pubic schools, good roads, and national parks.

256 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:22:16am

re: #255 ReamWorks SKG

You're supposed to be getting your payroll taxes back in the form of SS and benefits (and uemployment insurance, etc.). Of course, when they start means testing it.

Please remember that I'm no anti-tax right winger. I want fairness, not low taxes. I want there to be pubic schools, good roads, and national parks.

HAHAHAHAHA!
No.
See, I'll get piddly squat from SS compared to what I paid into it.
;)

257 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:22:43am

re: #252 ReamWorks SKG

Yeah, but how fair is it when the majority can vote to raise the minority's taxes.

Again, fairness has nothing to do with it. It's not 'fair' that some guys work really hard every day and only make $7.50 an hour while their employers make $20/hr off their productivity, either.

That's why a more flattish system is better and fairer.

That's an assertion, not an argument, and it has no relationship to a majority being able to vote to raise taxes on a certain income level. And again, the taxes aren't applied against people, they're against income.

258 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:23:31am

Ok! Enough Madeira! Now I need to get on a plane to Porto. (My destination is the Casa De Musica: [Link: www.casadamusica.com...] and lunch with the Maestro and the Remix Ensemble)

Let's hope there are no more sex scandals and low taxes for everyone!

259 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:24:57am

re: #256 Varek Raith

Yes! Me too! (Of course, left-wing heroes like Steve Jobs who take $1/year salaries don't have that problem because they pay no payroll tax but we working folks don't have that option because we don't have Al Gore and his lawyers on our board.)

260 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:25:16am

re: #255 ReamWorks SKG

You're supposed to be getting your payroll taxes back in the form of SS and benefits (and uemployment insurance, etc.). Of course, when they start means testing it.

But not everyone will use those things. The idea of payroll taxes is explicitly not that you get back what you put in.

Please remember that I'm no anti-tax right winger. I want fairness, not low taxes. I want there to be pubic schools, good roads, and national parks.

Fairness is a phantom when it comes to taxation. This is not a fair world, capitalism is not a fair system, and making a more regressive tax system would not be any more fair.

261 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:25:18am

AL GORE!

263 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:25:51am

Al can show up in the weirdest places sometimes.

264 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:26:26am

Things the wingnuts said was going to happen the last time Obama was elected, anything sound familiar?...

SleeplessBytheSea:

It's not looking too hopeful for McCain. So much for capitalism. Before it goes out, I'd best begin a new business.

Anyone ready to order their burkas? One size fits all idiots that sold out to socialism and radicalism.

PrezLeeFun: (How do we survive an Obama Presidency?)

We do nothing. This country is doomed. Its over. Goodbye America. I am not downtrodden or being negative.

I mean it.

We are done.

The Rapture will happen, and the end of the earth is upon us. And yes I am being perfectly serious.

yogi3939:

There is still hope. While I absolutely do not approve of assination, there is a good chance of someone trying it before he is sworn in or shortly after.

Crazy Cat Lady:

I do not believe that Obama was born in this country. I believe that Satan has played an integral role in getting him to where he is today and that it is possible that Obama is the AC. In any case, he will bring us into a socialist state rivaling Nazi Germany and our constitution will cease to exist. Sites like this one will be in danger, radio shows like Rush Limbaugh will be yanked from the air, and we will no longer have the right to own guns or express negative opinions about our government. And don't even get me started about the taxes we will pay.

Seemomgonuts:

America as we know it will cease to exist. He will destroy it beyond recognition. No wonder it isn't mentioned in the Bible. Obama will make it go away. I am saddened for those who died for the freedoms that Obama will take away. I am sad for my children. Did we learn nothing from Hitler? Obama is Hitler redux. I am officially John Galt and will be shrugging HARD for the next 4 years until the brownshirts come to my home and personally make me knock it off.

Anddra:

As the CEO of a business that employees 40 people, I have resigned myself to the fact that if Barrack Obama becomes our next President, then our taxes and government fees will increase in a BIG way.

To compensate for these increases, I figure that the Client will have to see an increase in our fees to them of about 8% but since we cannot increase our fees right now due to the state of our economy, we will have to lay off six of our employees instead. This has really been eating at me for a while, as we believe we are family here and I didn’t know how to choose who would have to go.

So, this is what I did. I strolled through our parking lot and found 8 Obama bumper stickers on our employees’ cars and have decided these folks will be the first to be laid off. I can’t think of a more fair way to approach this problem.

PeterFinn:

No worries, when Imam Obama institutes sharia law women won’t be voting anymore. Problem solved.

yorobert:

obamas gonna kill us all im not crazy someone came to my house and tried to attack me. he said he worked for obama. please beleive me im telling the truth.

MandyMonster:

I guess now America will be the abortion capital of the world, homosexual capital of the world, anti-gun nation, anti-good economy, the Fairness Doctrine capital of the world, anti-win the war in Iraq nation, Muslims can come here without persecution nation, Rev. Jeremiah Wright nation and love a terrorist nation????

265 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:26:52am

re: #263 freetoken

I like to drop his name! It's like Rumpelstiltskin or Beetlejuice!

266 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:29:29am

re: #264 watching you tiny alien kittens are

I do like the idea of repealing the 19th amendment! But with female support of Obama a good deal stronger than make support, I think "Imam Obama" won't be instituting "sharia law" anytime soon!

TTYL you all! Maybe when I sober up, I'll be a liberal again!

267 iossarian  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:29:38am

re: #264 watching you tiny alien kittens are

I really think there needs to be a rule on how many people your company needs to employ before you start calling yourself a "CEO".

40 doesn't cut it in my world.

268 iossarian  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:30:15am

I am the Chief Executive Officer of a small independent non-profit organization that consists of one person, that person, namely, me.

269 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:31:10am
270 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:32:08am

re: #264 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Hi Mandy!
The US is great, ain't it???
:P

271 iossarian  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:32:50am

re: #270 Varek Raith

Hi Mandy!
The US is great, ain't it???
:P

MUSLIMS CAN COME HERE WITHOUT PERSECUTION!

272 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:33:25am

re: #264 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Things the wingnuts said was going to happen the last time Obama was elected, anything sound familiar?...

SleeplessBytheSea:

PrezLeeFun: (How do we survive an Obama Presidency?)

yogi3939:

Crazy Cat Lady:

Seemomgonuts:

Anddra:

PeterFinn:

yorobert:

MandyMonster:

Where did you find that? Free Republic?

273 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:35:16am

re: #271 iossarian

MUSLIMS CAN COME HERE WITHOUT PERSECUTION!

How dare they be able to live anywhere without being persecuted? They have to be persecuted until they give up their Muslimnity!

274 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:36:15am

Who would pick employees to let go by looking for their bumper stickers, that is just petulance. What happens if those people turn out to be your best employees or maybe your production manager or accountant? Might as well just draw names out of a hat without excluding essential personnel from the drawing pool.

Idiotic is what it is...

275 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:40:55am

Wingnuts are seething over this.

HOW DARE they give food stamps to unemployed artistic people!1!ty

276 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:41:37am

re: #274 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Who would pick employees to let go by looking for their bumper stickers, that is just petulance. What happens if those people turn out to be your best employees or maybe your production manager or accountant? Might as well just draw names out of a hat without excluding essential personnel from the drawing pool.

Idiotic is what it is...

I would pick who to fire based on their favorite teams football jersey. Raider fans would be first to go.
/

277 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:42:36am

re: #272 Vicious Babushka

Where did you find that? Free Republic?

Several different forums, just went back to the Nov. 2008 archives (search) and started looking. Mostly RaptureReady and Deviant Art believe it or not.

278 Flounder  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:47:33am

More on the Petraeus saga, he Petraeus wrote a letter supporting the child-custody fight of the “psychologically unstable” twin sister of his close friend Jill Kelley.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

279 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:51:53am

Exclusive: John McAfee Wanted for Murder (Updated)
[Link: gizmodo.com...]
When "quarantine" is not an option.
/

280 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:53:43am

re: #278 Flounder

More on the Petraeus saga, he Petraeus wrote a letter supporting the child-custody fight of the “psychologically unstable” twin sister of his close friend Jill Kelley.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

Well they were looking kinda close at the Gasparilla parade...

Natalie Khawam
Celebration: (Left to right) Jill Kelley's twin sister Natalie Khawam, Gen Petraeus, Scott and Mrs Kelley, and Holly Petraeus watch the Gasparilla parade from the Kelley family's front lawn in this 2010 photo.

/

281 wheat-dogghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:54:06am

re: #264 watching you tiny alien kittens are

While I absolutely do not approve of assination,

But it's already happened to the GOP!

/

282 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:54:22am

re: #279 Cannadian Club Akbar

Exclusive: John McAfee Wanted for Murder (Updated)
[Link: gizmodo.com...]
When "quarantine" is not an option.
/

It's called "dope" for a reason.

283 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:55:11am

re: #280 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Doesn't the woman and hubby own a house on Bayshore?

284 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:56:49am

re: #283 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not sure exactly, but it has to be somewhere in the area if the Gasparilla parade goes by their house.

285 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:07:01am

10 Ways You Could Die This Holiday Season
[Link: www.trutv.com...]

286 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:08:47am

re: #165 The Questionable Timing of a Flea

I sure everyone will be shocked to discover that the fever swamps of the internet have decided that the vagina-haver is to blame for Gen Petraeus's fall.

Featuring such profound thought as:

and

While Ms. Broadwell may have things to answer for, but the aggression against "sluts" and blame-shifting involved are just another wellspring of misogyny.

It's typical, and nastily predictable. Slut-shaming is a standard part of how the American media handles adultery.

287 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:09:49am

re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar

10 Ways You Could Die This Holiday Season
[Link: www.trutv.com...]

#11
getting drunk and trying to get amorous with a reindeer

288 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:11:08am

re: #270 Varek Raith

Hi Mandy!
The US is great, ain't it???
:P

That may not have been the Mandy who used to post here.

289 King of the Douche, now you may bow  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:12:09am

re: #288 Dark_Falcon

That may not have been the Mandy who used to post here.

IIRC, she's now at C2.

290 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:14:28am

re: #289 Cannadian Club Akbar

IIRC, she's now at C2.

Yes, that's right. But those posts were from late 2008, and Mandy didn't get banned from here till 2010.

291 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:16:12am

re: #288 Dark_Falcon

That may not have been the Mandy who used to post here.

Why u ruin my trolling?
/

292 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:18:09am

Mandy was...something else, but I don't recall her posts being written on a third grade level like that.

293 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:21:42am

In the alternative reality of Free Republic, the Freepers are working themselves up into a fine state of frothing wingnut lunacy: in their dimension, this is either a) Night of the Long Knives; or b) a Muslim Brotherhood plot.

It won't be long until they finally connect the two theories to create the Unified Wingnut Conspiracy Theory. Then we will, presumably, have created a Wingularity.

294 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:29:15am

re: #291 Varek Raith

Why u ruin my trolling?
/

Because I do not like ascribing a post that hateful to someone who did not write it, even in jest. Mandy was banned for a reason, but she never wrote that kind of inarticulate screed.

295 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:42:11am
296 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:46:13am

re: #295 Vicious Babushka

How are these families going to cope with the loss of pay?

Trump is a complete and total asshole.

297 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:47:58am

re: #296 ProGunLiberal

How are these families going to cope with the loss of pay?

Trump is a complete and total asshole.

Trump can pay them out of that $5 million he was going to donate.

But he won't because "it's Obama's fault." Whatta douche.

298 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:48:06am

re: #295 Vicious Babushka

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Not a surprise, but it's true the casinos were hurting. But Trump is just being an asshole on this one. At the very least, he's got enough cash flow to allow employees to use their vacation days. That his casino isn't allowing it is yet another proof that Donald Trump is a douche canoe.

299 ProGunLiberal  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:53:15am

re: #297 Vicious Babushka

Well, what's new with that. Pond scum are a more noble creature than him.

I wonder how many illegal immigrants he has working for him under minimum wage? He seems to be the kind of douche who would exploit undocumented workers.

300 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:55:56am
301 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:57:24am

re: #295 Vicious Babushka

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Wasn't that idiot bragging during Sandy about how his casinos were open?

302 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:58:47am

re: #298 Dark_Falcon

Not a surprise, but it's true the casinos were hurting. But Trump is just being an asshole on this one. At the very least, he's got enough cash flow to allow employees to use their vacation days. That his casino isn't allowing it is yet another proof that Donald Trump is a douche canoe.

I beg to differ.

Donald Trump is a douche ocean liner.

303 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:58:52am

re: #301 BongCrodny

Wasn't that idiot bragging during Sandy about how his casinos were open?

He was bragging that none of his buildings lost power "because they are so well built!" showing that he is totally ignorant about the infrastructure and power grid.

304 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:59:04am

re: #296 ProGunLiberal

How are these families going to cope with the loss of pay?

Trump is a complete and total asshole.

Eat less and do without cable or internet for a month is what they'd say. The casinos simply don't care, all they care about is balancing the books.

305 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:02:52am

I note that a while back Trump sold his Trump Marina casino.

Trump Marina was considered the weakest performing casino of the three he owned.

No word from the new owners that they were doing the forced into doing the same thing.

306 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:04:55am

Most of Trump's Tweets now are about his golf course in Scotland and whining about how those awful wind turbines are totally spoiling the scenery!

307 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:05:51am

Words and phrases to describe Donald Trump:

Bombastic Birther Blowhard

Choad

Heartless Jerk

(Feel free to contribute your own entries)

308 Flounder  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:09:26am

Puppy on prosthetics!
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
I have posted about this little dog before, he was abused and left for dead, his sister did not make it.

309 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:10:21am

re: #307 Dark_Falcon

Words and phrases to describe Donald Trump:

Bombastic Birther Blowhard

Choad

Heartless Jerk

(Feel free to contribute your own entries)

"Circus peanut with a badger on its head" - courtesy of Jon Stewart

310 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:12:37am
311 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:14:24am

I note from a quick Google search that the average salary for casino workers -- those *not* at the top end of the scale -- appears to be around $20K-$25K.

Given that area's high prices, the loss of a week's pay would likely be a significant hit.

Trump could pay every one of his casinos' 7,000 employees the equivalent of a week's salary and it wouldn't come to that $5 million charity hoax he "offered."

312 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:16:04am

re: #308 Flounder

Puppy on prosthetics!
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
I have posted about this little dog before, he was abused and left for dead, his sister did not make it.

No, his sister is still alive. There was a third puppy that died. His sister, Pearl (named for Pearl Street), was able to heal enough that she still has all four paws.

313 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:19:33am
314 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:19:51am

re: #308 Flounder

Puppy on prosthetics!
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
I have posted about this little dog before, he was abused and left for dead, his sister did not make it.

*********************

The puppies were abused, authorities have said, and may even have been nailed to the rail tracks.

Jesus.

I've never been a violent man, but using a nail gun on the asshole who would do something like that would be fitting.

315 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:20:50am

Mornin' gangnam.

316 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:21:01am
317 Joanne  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:28:05am

re: #184 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Her? Is this the same "friend" agent they told to stay away from the case and sent Kelley a picture with their shirt off? This thing just gets weirder all the time...

From the previous reporting I thought they were talking about a man?

I did, too!

Well, that adds a whole new level of weird. And it's not like this sordid affair (pun intended) isn't already at a 12 on the 1-10 weirdness scale.

318 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:29:11am

re: #316 darthstar

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Conservatives should just be glad for this scandal. Because while CNN and MSNBC are talking about who David Petraeus fucked, they won't be talking about how the Republican Party fucked up.

319 Joanne  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:36:19am

re: #209 Obdicut

Most of all, it's entirely the business of the couple. One of the ugliest parts of the Clinton-Lewinsky thing was people castigating Hillary for staying with Bill. I don't get the urge to judge others for that sort of thing. It's between them.

Unfortunately, this isn't entirely the business of the couple because one of the many involved runs the CIA. Another is an FBI agent who has access to who knows what kind of information.

I always agreed with you concerning Clinton, but when you think of it in terms of national security, perhaps I was wrong. I don't think Clinton would allow himself to be blackmailed, but I doubt General David would either...but honestly who knows. My biggest issue with the whole Clinton affair was the hypocrisy of the people who were railing against him (while doing the same thing). That said, there IS a national security angle that I had not considered before.

320 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:36:50am

Good morning lizards!

What a strange headline to wake up to this morning. This sounds more out of a spy novel than a news story.

321 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:42:32am

re: #319 Joanne

Sure, I just meant in terms of that couple's relationship. Obviously it can affect all other sorts of things.

322 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:43:10am

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

Conservatives should just be glad for this scandal. Because while CNN and MSNBC are talking about who David Petraeus fucked, they won't be talking about how the Republican Party fucked up.

Shiny object time. Fox wants to use it to bring up Benghazi and keep people from thinking about the fact that President Obama won reelection. Who the fuck knows what CNN wants? In the last week, they've been pretending to be an overall news organization again and are actually covering topics not related to the President. MSNBC is too busy counter-balancing Fox to do anything else, so expect wingnuts to get all excited when MSNBC's audience drops off as people done with election and post election coverage begin to lose interest in 'the place for politics'...

But on Petraeus, my favorite comment comes from Wonkette...

Oh, god. Petraeus was having sex with John Allen too?

According to a senior U.S. defense official, the FBI has uncovered between 20,000 and 30,000 pages of “potentially inappropriate” emails between Allen and Jill Kelley, a 37-year-old Tampa woman whose close friendship with Petraeus ultimately led to his downfall.

Ok, so not that, at least. Turns out it’s just that Petraeus’s mistress sent threatening emails to Kelley, who was also sending 30,000 pages of emails back and forth with Allen. All the while, Petraeus is sending thousands of emails to Broadwell too, and everybody’s Blackberrys melted.

And now the FBI, somewhere, has crates of emails — crates! — between a second four-star general and a second woman. How many times do you have to write “I am in the desert and I have a boner” to fill up 30,000 pages?

The last line made me chuckle out loud.

323 Joanne  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:44:07am

re: #241 Obdicut

0% corporate tax rate? Seriously? Are you willing to at least levy a tax for roads outside of their businesses? We looking to go to premium support for police and fire for their businesses?

Yes, by all means, but all the burden on individuals. That makes perfect sense.

324 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:47:10am

re: #323 Joanne

0% corporate tax rate? Seriously? Are you willing to at least levy a tax for roads outside of their businesses? We looking to go to premium support for police and fire for their businesses?

Yes, by all means, but all the burden on individuals. That makes perfect sense.

Yes, it does. The money flows from the corporations to individuals. There's no particular reason to tax at the corporate level. You're missing my point.

As long as you strongly and without lots of tax dodges go after individual incomes, you're fine.

Why is it that you think taxing corporations achieves something taxing the individuals who benefit from owning or working for that corporation doesn't?

325 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:47:17am

So. Has anyone broken the law yet WRT this SEX scandal?

326 Joanne  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:48:41am

re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar

Taxes!!!

From the article:

The top statutory tax rate on ordinary income would reach 39.6 percent, up from 35 percent, and the top rate on capital gains would be 23.8 percent, up from 15 percent. A 2 percentage point payroll tax cut is set to expire at the end of 2012.

Because capital gains should be taxed at more than 10% less than income - where people are actually working for a living. How does it affect people who do nothing but move money around? I am sorry, that is still total bullshit.

327 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:50:31am

re: #322 darthstar

The Freepers have it all figured out.

It's a purge of the military and intelligence agencies by Comrade Stalin President Obama.

328 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:51:01am

re: #323 Joanne

0% corporate tax rate? Seriously? Are you willing to at least levy a tax for roads outside of their businesses? We looking to go to premium support for police and fire for their businesses?

Yes, by all means, but all the burden on individuals. That makes perfect sense.

0%? Corporations won't pay that much. Hell, some of them actually have a negative tax rate...

Last year, the watchdog group Citizens for Tax Justice put out a paper showing that 30 Fortune 500 companies had a negative tax rate for the cumulative years 2008-2010. The corporations singled out by the report submitted a number of excuses to explain away what they claimed was an anomaly, owing to things like short-term tax breaks from the stimulus package. “They said it was aberrational. ‘Next year we’ll pay out a lot,’ they said,” according to CTJ’s Bob McIntyre. “So we thought it would be a good idea to look at what happened last year, in 2011,” to test these claims.

That report is now available, and it shows that, if you include the tax year of 2011, 26 of these 30 corporations still paid a negative tax rate overall. That’s four years of paying no corporate tax, and instead receiving back billions in subsidies. According to the report, if these 30 companies paid the nominal tax rate of 35% over the four years in this analysis, they would have paid $78.3 billion in federal taxes. “Put another way, over the four years, the 30 companies received more than $78 billion in total tax subsidies,” according to CTJ. And of course, this is merely 30 of the nation’s largest corporations.

You think they're going to let somebody raise their taxes to ZERO?

329 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:52:07am

re: #325 Gus

So. Has anyone broken the law yet WRT this SEX scandal?

Sorry...wasn't paying attention. What would you like me to do?

330 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:52:11am

re: #325 Gus

So. Has anyone broken the law yet WRT this SEX scandal?

Possibly not. Two sets of law are involved--US Code and UCMJ (plus any possible state/local). I'm going for at least charges of "Conduct Unbecoming a Teenager".

331 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:52:53am

I'm going to get some breakfast.

BBIAB

332 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:54:06am

re: #325 Gus

So. Has anyone broken the law yet WRT this SEX scandal?

Benghazi.

333 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:55:24am

Rule #1: Don't bang your biographer.
Rule #2: Rule #1 doesn't apply to people writing autobiographies.
Rule #3: When someone has a scandal involving Rule #2, we will have officially completed our evolution as a species.

334 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:55:37am


Who would want to smell like Donald Trump? Ewwww, just ewwww.
Fuck Macys, I'm shopping at Nordstrom from now on.

335 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:55:57am

re: #331 Dark_Falcon

I'm going to get some breakfast.

BBIAB

So that's what they're calling it these days.

336 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:56:23am

re: #333 darthstar

Rule #1: Don't bang your biographer.
Rule #2: Rule #1 doesn't apply to people writing autobiographies.
Rule #3: When someone has a scandal involving Rule #2, we will have officially completed our evolution as a species.

I dunno about that

My left hand is pretty jealous of my right !!!

337 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:56:38am

The MSM has reported more on this Petraeus scandal in the past 48 hours than they have mentioned anything about climate change in the past 10 years.

338 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:57:52am

re: #333 darthstar

Rule #1: Don't bang your biographer.
Rule #2: Rule #1 doesn't apply to people writing autobiographies.
Rule #3: When someone has a scandal involving Rule #2, we will have officially completed our evolution as a species.

Rule #1 wouldn't apply if you were married to or openly living with your biographer.

339 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:58:13am

re: #336 sattv4u2

I dunno about that

My left hand is pretty jealous of my right !!!

Run for congress so I can quote you.

340 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:58:39am
341 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:59:03am

re: #338 Vicious Babushka

Rule #1 wouldn't apply if you were married to or openly living with your biographer.

If my wife were my biographer, I'd have bigger problems than a sex scandal.

342 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:59:22am

re: #339 darthstar

Run for congress so I can quote you.

Is that what you kids call it nowadays!

343 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:59:32am

I'm just happy we're back to talking about fucking.

344 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:02:28am

re: #343 darthstar

I'm just happy we're back to talking about fucking.

Yeah, it needed tweeting.

345 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:03:53am
346 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:04:44am

Who says Arizona doesn't have a future in the head lines?

Upset over the result of last week's presidential election, an Arizona woman ran over her husband with her car, believing him to be directly responsible for Obama's reelection because he didn't vote.

347 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:05:15am

Oh brother....

Mad college professor claims nobody murdered by Stalin

Dr. Grover Furr is an English professor at Montclair State University. He is actively engaged in concealing the murder of 150 million citizens by Stalin and other communists. How an accessory to genocide like him is permitted to teach at any American University is evidence of the successful Marxist takeover of academia. The above exchange occurred on October 25th, 2012 at that university.

348 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:06:36am

K ,,,

Annual vet appointment made
Gatlinburg Tennessee getaway booked

Shower beckons
BBIAB

349 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:06:50am

re: #347 NJDhockeyfan


-And the guy commenting on it is just as much of a nut, if not more so.

He finds one dude at a state college, and to him it's evidence of a Marxist takeover of academia. What a complete and utter putz.

350 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:07:59am

re: #349 Obdicut

-And the guy commenting on it is just as much of a nut, if not more so.

He finds one dude at a podunk college, and to him it's evidence of a Marxist takeover of academia. What a complete and utter putz.

NOAM CHOMSKY!1!ty

351 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:08:33am

re: #345 Gus

Zombies have an airport infrastructure?

"American six-seven-zero, you're clear for take off"
"BRAAAIIINNS"

352 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:10:08am

THIS LIST IS TOTAL BULLSHIT BECAUSE MY SON'S NAME ISN'T ON IT

Furthermore I have never even heard of most of these people.

353 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:10:25am

re: #349 Obdicut

-And the guy commenting on it is just as much of a nut, if not more so.

He finds one dude at a state college, and to him it's evidence of a Marxist takeover of academia. What a complete and utter putz.

Hey. He has more videos! Here's another!

JB Williams on the stolen election!!!
Haggz51 69 views 5 days ago
JB and his organization have noted that hundreds of thousands of fraudulent votes may have cost Romney the election

354 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:11:26am

More videos:

Oath Keepers...
Phil Tourney discusses the Israeli attack on the USS LIberty ...

Burp.

355 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:11:48am

re: #352 Vicious Babushka

THIS LIST IS TOTAL BULLSHIT BECAUSE MY SON'S NAME ISN'T ON IT

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Sheldon Adelson is #1. Be grateful.

356 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:12:40am

re: #354 Gus

More videos:

Oath Keepers...
Phil Tourney discusses the Israeli attack on the USS LIberty ...

Burp.

Oh for fuck's sake. Phil Tourney. Antisemitic asshole who claims Israel is taking over the US.

NJD, nice job promoting a video from an antisemitic loon.

357 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:12:59am

re: #355 darthstar

Sheldon Adelson is #1. Be grateful.

That proves beyond a doubt that it's total bullshit. Sheldon Adelson WTF?

358 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:13:37am

Okay...got tons to do before I go to work. Play nice everyone.

359 Joanne  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:14:20am

re: #337 Gus

The MSM has reported more on this Petraeus scandal in the past 48 hours than they have mentioned anything about climate change in the past 10 years.

Yeah. And it's not like climate, that cruel bitch, hasn't fucked us but good a time or two.

360 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:14:32am

Sarah Silverman is not on the "Forward" list either. I may not care for her style of comedy, but I am sure she is more influential than most of the people on this list that I have never heard of.

361 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:15:03am

Always check your sources.
;)

362 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:15:37am

re: #356 Obdicut

Oh for fuck's sake. Phil Tourney. Antisemitic asshole who claims Israel is taking over the US.

NJD, nice job promoting a video from an antisemitic loon.

Well, I'm not sure I would blame NJD for promoting the nut. I think the first video was derpy enough. Imagine if we had to point out every whacky college professor in this country? Maybe there is an argument WRT to Stalin. Sergey's not here though to explain that.

363 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:16:08am

re: #360 Vicious Babushka

What is the metric for moving and/or shaking in the US Jewish world?

364 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:16:47am

re: #360 Vicious Babushka

Sarah Silverman is not on the "Forward" list either. I may not care for her style of comedy, but I am sure she is more influential than most of the people on this list that I have never heard of.

Is Jon Stewart on the list?

365 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:16:58am

re: #363 Obdicut

What is the metric for moving and/or shaking in the US Jewish world?

I don't know, it's "The Forward." Surprised that Roseanne Barr isn't on their list, they have run enough puff pieces about her.

366 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:18:28am

re: #364 Gus

Is Jon Stewart on the list?

Here's the list.

They don't explain the method that was used to choose the people who are on it.

367 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:18:46am

re: #362 Gus

Well, I'm not sure I would blame NJD for promoting the nut.

It's really annoying how many people who are ostensibly all pro-Israel and pro-Jew wind up inadvertently supporting anti-semites because so many anti-semites are also anti-government. It's not that hard to check up, and when someone is claiming a Marxist takeover of academia it should raise big flags as to whether or not you want to be linking to their nutjobbery.

368 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:21:22am

re: #367 Obdicut

It's really annoying how many people who are ostensibly all pro-Israel and pro-Jew wind up inadvertently supporting anti-semites because so many anti-semites are also anti-government. It's not that hard to check up, and when someone is claiming a Marxist takeover of academia it should raise big flags as to whether or not you want to be linking to their nutjobbery.

Took me less then 5 minutes to figure out this guys was a nutjob and I'm not even awake yet. I'm sure he's another anti-academia weirdo with his own special twist.

369 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:22:08am
370 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:22:54am

What a freaking bigot.

371 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:23:41am

re: #302 BongCrodny

I beg to differ.

Donald Trump is a douche ocean liner.

A douche supertanker

372 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:24:40am

re: #356 Obdicut

Oh for fuck's sake. Phil Tourney. Antisemitic asshole who claims Israel is taking over the US.

NJD, nice job promoting a video from an antisemitic loon.

I'm not promoting it at all. That professor should be fired for teaching that bullshit.

373 Joanne  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:25:24am

re: #366 Vicious Babushka

Here's the list.

They don't explain the method that was used to choose the people who are on it.

That list is, from the names I recognize, more of a current pop culture list. I love Ali Raisman, but a mover and shaker? I'm not so sure about that.

374 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:25:31am

re: #370 Gus

What a freaking bigot.

Also a pro-secession neo-Confed.

375 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:25:40am

re: #333 darthstar

Rule #1: Don't bang your biographer.
Rule #2: Rule #1 doesn't apply to people writing autobiographies.
Rule #3: When someone has a scandal involving Rule #2, we will have officially completed our evolution as a species.

^^^
Rule 34... 'nuff said..

376 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:26:40am

re: #373 Joanne

That list is, from the names I recognize, more of a current pop culture list. I love Ali Raisman, but a mover and shaker? I'm not so sure about that.

She's a gymnast, so she moves and shakes.

377 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:29:07am

re: #374 Vicious Babushka

Also a pro-secession neo-Confed.

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There are secession petitions on the White House website from 47 states. Texas signatures at 61,936. dailycaller.com/2012/11/13/pet… -- Brian Fischer

Why don't you make it 61,937, you self-righteous holier-than-thou dipshit.

378 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:29:23am

re: #372 NJDhockeyfan

I'm not promoting it at all. That professor should be fired for teaching that bullshit.

Here. Read that blurb again:

Dr. Grover Furr is an English professor at Montclair State University. He is actively engaged in concealing the murder of 150 million citizens by Stalin and other communists. How an accessory to genocide like him is permitted to teach at any American University is evidence of the successful Marxist takeover of academia. The above exchange occurred on October 25th, 2012 at that university.

Seriously? Where in the world did he get that 150 million figure from?

379 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:30:44am

re: #372 NJDhockeyfan

I'm not promoting it at all. That professor should be fired for teaching that bullshit.

You're promoting the guy's youtube channel by linking his video. The guy also promotes antisemitic theories, as well as making the batshit insane claim that Marxists have taken over academia.

The professor is not a history professor, so he's talking about something entirely outside his area. He seems like a jackass who's probably a shitty teacher and should be fired for that, but no, you shouldn't be able to fire a professor for having views in an area that doesn't have to do with his discipline that you don't like. Academic freedom is important.

380 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:31:02am

re: #374 Vicious Babushka

Also a pro-secession neo-Confed.

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I'm aware that there is a narrow constitutional definition of 'treason'. There is also a dictionary definition, and the patriots who want to dissolve our country meet it.

381 Joanne  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:31:55am

I am officially addicted to this Harlequin romance cum Tom Clancy thing.

Based on what we're learning this morning, it appears much of this scandal was fueled by bizarre personal conduct, and a strange FBI agent who was a little too eager to undermine President Obama before the election with a controversy that had nothing to do with the White House.

Indeed, had the FBI agent in question not believed weird conspiracy theories about the president, he wouldn't have gone to Republican lawmakers, who in turn wouldn't have pushed the issue, which means the Petraeus scandal -- which involved no criminal wrongdoing -- probably would have gone away without further incident.

382 Joanne  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:32:17am

re: #376 Vicious Babushka

She's a gymnast, so she moves and shakes.

BOOM! :-D

383 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:32:19am

Yes. We should only allow politically approved scholars to teach on college campuses.

Now who does that remind me of? Hmmm...

384 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:33:01am

re: #383 Gus

Yes. We should only allow politically approved scholars to teach on college campuses.

Now who does that remind me of? Hmmm...

Stalin!

385 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:33:05am

What a nut.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

Yep, totally credible.

386 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:33:36am

re: #378 Gus

Both the questioner and answerer are bullshit. 150 million is generally the amount given when you count famines and disease swathes and stuff like that, and it's across all Communist regimes. It's as accurate as blaming deaths during the Dust Bowl in the US on democracy and on our leaders at the time.

Anyway, Stalin committed plenty of state murders, tons of them, as well as sending people to be worked to death, etc. So the whole "Hasn't committed one crime" is also lunacy.

It's two zealots screaming at each other, and the truth doesn't lie somewhere in the middle, it lies far away from these fuckheads.

387 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:38:57am

re: #386 Obdicut

Both the questioner and answerer are bullshit. 150 million is generally the amount given when you count famines and disease swathes and stuff like that, and it's across all Communist regimes. It's as accurate as blaming deaths during the Dust Bowl in the US on democracy and on our leaders at the time.

Anyway, Stalin committed plenty of state murders, tons of them, as well as sending people to be worked to death, etc. So the whole "Hasn't committed one crime" is also lunacy.

It's two zealots screaming at each other, and the truth doesn't lie somewhere in the middle, it lies far away from these fuckheads.

It's the Marxist take-over of academia!! Yeah. This professor seems to come up from time to time. He's a topic over at Frontpage. SOS

388 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:39:27am

re: #378 Gus

Here. Read that blurb again:

Seriously? Where in the world did he get that 150 million figure from?

Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao...still not sure you get to 150 million but the number is pretty large.

389 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:40:11am

re: #387 Gus

It's the Marxist take-over of academia!! Yeah. This professor seems to come up from time to time. He's a topic over at Frontpage. SOS

Maybe he's a hell of a good English teacher. I mean, English teachers might be creationists too, but that's no reason to prevent them from teaching.

390 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:41:21am

re: #389 Obdicut

Maybe he's a hell of a good English teacher. I mean, English teachers might be creationists too, but that's no reason to prevent them from teaching.

Noam Chomsky is the world's most prominent linguistics expert. He has occasionally spewed some bullshit on topics not related to his area of expertise.

391 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:43:09am

re: #388 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Now if he had said 50 to 80 million that would have been more in the ballpark.

392 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:43:48am

re: #390 Vicious Babushka

Noam Chomsky is the world's most prominent linguistics expert. He has occasionally spewed some bullshit on topics not related to his area of expertise.

He's being slightly overtaken now, but modern computing wouldn't exist as it does without Chomsky.

393 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:44:27am

re: #391 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Now if he had said 50 to 80 million that would have been more in the ballpark.

Fifty million, hundred million, all sounds like statistics to me.

394 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:45:05am

re: #393 Decatur Deb

Fifty million, hundred million, all sounds like statistics to me.

I blame atheism.

//

395 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:45:57am

re: #394 Gus

I blame atheism.

//

I blame fucking.

396 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:46:15am

re: #395 Decatur Deb

I blame fucking.

Where's Darthstar? //

397 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:46:51am

re: #333 darthstar

Rule #1: Don't bang your biographer.
Rule #2: Rule #1 doesn't apply to people writing autobiographies.
Rule #3: When someone has a scandal involving Rule #2, we will have officially completed our evolution as a species.

Simplified: Don't stick it in the crazy. It's starting to sound like Ms Broadwell is one of the crazy. She may not be the only one of their rank in this ever-weirdening tale.

398 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:47:45am

re: #394 Gus

I blame atheism.

//

Everybody else does.

Of course those people were not killed in the name of atheism but for political reasons which is more than you can say about the people killed in the name of various religions all down through history.

399 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:49:39am

re: #398 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Everybody else does.

Of course those people were not killed in the name of atheism but for political reasons which is more than you can say about the people killed in the name of various religions all down through history.

Yeah. But don't blame the Russians.

400 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:51:23am

re: #352 Vicious Babushka

THIS LIST IS TOTAL BULLSHIT BECAUSE MY SON'S NAME ISN'T ON IT

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Furthermore I have never even heard of most of these people.

That's because they're the SEKRIT ILLUMINATI JEWZ WHO ACTUALLY RUN EVERYTHING from either their underground bunkers in the vaults under Area 51, or their orbital planetary surveillance / death ray stations.

401 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:53:24am

Hehehehehe.

"For whatever reasons, the conservative bloggers have latched onto Orca as the reason it all fell apart," [Romney campaign Digital Director Zac] Moffatt added. Those bloggers have suggested that developers with Democratic sympathies somehow acted as a fifth column within the Romney camp. Targeted Victory was singled out by some bloggers because a few of its developers worked for Al Gore in the past.

"Why do they have Al Gore's dev working on Romney's social media development?!" blogger Catherine Ann Fitzpatrick asked. "Truly, how can they expect dedication?" She also singled out another developer who is African-American and "who has a 96 percent chance of being an Obama voter… I will be accused of 'racism' for even flagging. But it's the truth."

402 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:54:25am

re: #401 erik_t

Hehehehehe.

Bless their little souls.

403 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:55:16am

re: #402 Decatur Deb

Bless their little souls.

If you can find 'em.

404 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:55:35am

OK. I'm done with that topic.

405 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:55:43am

re: #401 erik_t

Hehehehehe.

Catherine Fitzpatrick registered at LGF last night just to post a bunch of derp.

406 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:58:32am

From what I read about ORCA, it was never field tested before the election, in order to keep it a secret.

But it is to be fully expected that they will join in on blaming anyone but the Romney campaign and the GOP for losing.

407 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:58:57am

re: #405 Vicious Babushka

Catherine Fitzpatrick registered at LGF last night just to post a bunch of derp.

Drat! I need to check the pages more carefully.

408 BongCrodny  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:59:55am

re: #401 erik_t

Hehehehehe.

"For whatever reasons, the conservative bloggers have latched onto Orca as the reason it all fell apart," [Romney campaign Digital Director Zac] Moffatt added. Those bloggers have suggested that developers with Democratic sympathies somehow acted as a fifth column within the Romney camp. Targeted Victory was singled out by some bloggers because a few of its developers worked for Al Gore in the past.

"Why do they have Al Gore's dev working on Romney's social media development?!" blogger Catherine Ann Fitzpatrick asked. "Truly, how can they expect dedication?" She also singled out another developer who is African-American and "who has a 96 percent chance of being an Obama voter… I will be accused of 'racism' for even flagging. But it's the truth."

So does this mean that Allen West also has a 96% chance of being an Obama voter?

Clearly, there is only one answer for Republicans: go even whiter.

409 Joanne  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:02:30am

re: #408 BongCrodny

So does this mean that Allen West also has a 96% chance of being an Obama voter?

Clearly, there is only one answer for Republicans: go even whiter.

Yeah, because once you've gone....

410 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:02:37am

I don't know who is responsible for Orca, if I did I'd send them a nice box of Merlot.

411 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:04:22am

Benghazi.

412 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:04:52am

re: #410 Decatur Deb

I don't know who is responsible for Orca, if I did I'd send them a nice box of Merlot.

Boxes (and cans, while we're at it) are the superior booze distribution methodology. Glass bottles are the tool of the oppressor, and they will be first against the wall when the revolution comes.

413 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:05:29am
414 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:07:20am

re: #412 erik_t

Boxes (and cans, while we're at it) are the superior booze distribution methodology. Glass bottles are the tool of the oppressor, and they will be first against the wall when the revolution comes.

How are the revolutionaries going to make their Molotov cocktails? Oh wait...

they will be first against the wall when the revolution comes

I get it.

415 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:08:07am

re: #410 Decatur Deb

I don't know who is responsible for Orca, if I did I'd send them a nice box of Merlot.

I blame Bo Derek.
/

416 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:08:29am

re: #347 NJDhockeyfan

Oh brother....

Mad college professor claims nobody murdered by Stalin

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"How an accessory to genocide like him is permitted to teach at any American University is evidence of the successful Marxist takeover of academia."

Do you actually believe this part?

417 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:08:37am

The Wall Street Journal has it all wrong. All they need to do is sift through Facebook and its pretty obvious that the whole Petraeus affair(s) scandal is just a fabricated smokescreen to make people forget about BENGHAZI!!!!

418 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:09:54am

Hmmm. Transhumanism sounds like a load of crap.

419 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:10:24am

re: #416 jamesfirecat

"How an accessory to genocide like him is permitted to teach at any American University is evidence of the successful Marxist takeover of academia."

Do you actually believe this part?

No but I do think the professor is an idiot.

420 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:10:28am

re: #415 NJDhockeyfan

I blame Bo Derek.
/

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Namu and his pod have joined a class-action lawsuit against the GOP campaign, citing copyright violation and damage to their 'brand'.

421 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:10:39am

The world will be a better place once it's taken over by a bunch of billionaires that can live to be 200 years old!

//

422 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:11:41am

It's even got a logo.

Image: 150px-Transhumanism_h%2B.svg.png

Hmmm. I see the plus sign. Reminds me of Atheist+.

423 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:12:15am

re: #419 NJDhockeyfan

No but I do think the professor is an idiot.

Do you understand firing professors for their political views is something that was typical of Stalinism?

424 Kronocide  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:14:18am

re: #411 Gus

Benghazi.

I totally disagree. I was thinking it was more like Benghazi than Benghazi.

425 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:18:20am

Aigle making my head spin.

Ma’an Transforms Slain Hamas Fighter into ‘Man’!!

While implicating the Los Angeles Times about something.

426 EmmaAnne  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:18:32am

re: #406 Sol Berdinowitz

From what I read about ORCA, it was never field tested before the election, in order to keep it a secret.

I hope that turns out to be true, because it would be hilarious. Thinking that uploading who has voted is some kind of secret weapon. Heh. By the way, Obama did that in 2008, and it crashed under the load too. Didn't really matter because we had paper lists to carry on with.

427 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:18:38am

Trump crying, crying, crying about the awful wind turbines.

They mess up his hair!

428 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:19:19am
429 EmmaAnne  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:22:49am

re: #401 erik_t

She also singled out another developer who is African-American and "who has a 96 percent chance of being an Obama voter… I will be accused of 'racism' for even flagging. But it's the truth."

I was laughing until I got to this part. Classic, straight-up racism, and she doesn't even understand why.

430 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:24:46am
431 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:25:48am

re: #430 Gus

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Commentary actually used to be a pretty good journal, back in the day (like, during the '80's). Now they have gone full-on wingnut.

432 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:26:06am

re: #427 Vicious Babushka

Trump crying, crying, crying about the awful wind turbines.

They mess up his hair!

Trump should go and do what all balding men with a shred of self respect do. Go to the barber and get a buzzcut with the #1. Nothing says I am a pompous fool unaware of how ridiculous I look than a combover.

433 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:26:49am

re: #430 Gus

Inward doth the spiral continue. The opportunity for final dogmatic purity is close at hand.

Speaking of PR improvements, they need to riff off that recent Army campaign.

A Party of One.

434 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:27:22am

Image: STAcw.jpg

435 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:27:23am

re: #432 Mich-again

Trump should go and do what all balding men with a shred of self respect do. Go to the barber and get a buzzcut with the #1. Nothing says I am a pompous fool unaware of how ridiculous I look than a combover.

Trump will protest the re-election of Obama by standing in front of the White House and singing "We Shall Overcomb!"

436 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:27:37am

re: #433 erik_t

Inward doth the spiral continue. The opportunity for final dogmatic purity is close at hand.

Speaking of PR improvements, they need to riff off that recent Army campaign.

A Party of One.

Conservatives are circling the wagons.

437 EmmaAnne  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:27:45am

Here is what I keep noticing about the articles on Orca: there is tons of discussion on whether the data was uploaded. Lots of personal accounts on blogs of not being able to log in, or it being slow to upload, etc. What I am not seeing is stories of using the data to go pick up voters and take them to the polls.

The Romney campaign does understand that you collect all this data in order to do something with it, right? That there is no point in knowing who voted unless you then contact the people who haven't?

438 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:28:20am

Sex-drones.

439 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:28:48am

re: #433 erik_t

Inward doth the spiral continue. The opportunity for final dogmatic purity is close at hand.

Speaking of PR improvements, they need to riff off that recent Army campaign.

A Party of One.

But then they might suddenly start getting all the Brony votes!

440 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:29:52am

re: #433 erik_t

Inward doth the spiral continue. The opportunity for final dogmatic purity is close at hand.

Speaking of PR improvements, they need to riff off that recent Army campaign.

A Party of One.

The racist, fundamentalist, isolationist conservatives will always be able to sommand a solid 30% of the vote, but they will totally alienate the rest of the electorate.

441 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:30:43am

Ha! (to be filed under "Turnabout is Fair Play")

442 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:30:45am

re: #423 Obdicut

Do you understand firing professors for their political views is something that was typical of Stalinism?

It's one thing to have a political view, it's another to teach false history.

443 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:30:49am
444 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:31:01am

re: #426 EmmaAnne

I hope that turns out to be true, because it would be hilarious. Thinking that uploading who has voted is some kind of secret weapon. Heh. By the way, Obama did that in 2008, and it crashed under the load too. Didn't really matter because we had paper lists to carry on with.

If Orca had worked as designed, it would have done little. The TPGOP thinks GOTV starts election week. We were at it months ago, using volunteers while they were paying Sproul to ruin their registration effort.

445 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:31:23am

re: #441 Interesting Times

Ha! (to be filed under "Turnabout is Fair Play"):

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Perhaps they can self-secede? //

446 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:32:19am

re: #437 EmmaAnne

Here is what I keep noticing about the articles on Orca: there is tons of discussion on whether the data was uploaded. Lots of personal accounts on blogs of not being able to log in, or it being slow to upload, etc. What I am not seeing is stories of using the data to go pick up voters and take them to the polls.

The Romney campaign does understand that you collect all this data in order to do something with it, right? That there is no point in knowing who voted unless you then contact the people who haven't?

Apparently they planned to refocus robo-calls late in the afternoon. Heh.

447 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:33:12am

re: #442 NJDhockeyfan

It's one thing to have a political view, it's another to teach false history.

Aren't we talking about an English teacher?

Does he teach history in his English class?

448 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:33:20am

re: #446 Decatur Deb

Apparently they planned to refocus robo-calls late in the afternoon. Heh.

A GOP campaign worker called our house half an hour before the polls closed here. I told her that we already voted.

449 abolitionist  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:33:40am

re: #23 mikec6666

This whole thing is depressing. Even one of the best among us turns out to be a complete idiot. That doesn't bode well for the rest of us.

Genes are selfish, and in subtle ways, maybe intelligent.

450 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:34:03am

re: #446 Decatur Deb

Apparently they planned to refocus robo-calls late in the afternoon. Heh.

I don't know why anyone thinks that robo-calls work for anything. Who listens to that shit?

451 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:34:52am

re: #442 NJDhockeyfan

It's one thing to have a political view, it's another to teach false history.

Okay. So you want every creationist in the US to be fired from any educational position?

452 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:35:00am

Not sure it's been mentioned but the FBI Agent who was too "involved" was the one who went to Cantor etc. He's a wingnut

454 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:36:42am

Air New Zealand's Middle-Earth themed pre-flight film.

455 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:40:05am

re: #442 NJDhockeyfan

It's one thing to have a political view, it's another to teach false history.

Did you go to college?

456 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:40:05am

re: #447 erik_t

Aren't we talking about an English teacher?

Does he teach history in his English class?

Apparently he was that time.

“The Canadian school system falsifies Canadian history, but of all the falsifications that go on in the school systems in this country, in this world, Soviet history is falsified the most. I have spent many years researching this and similar questions, and I have yet to find one crime, yet to find one crime that Stalin committed.”

457 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:41:48am

re: #451 Obdicut

Okay. So you want every creationist in the US to be fired from any educational position?

If teachers refulse or fail to teach what's in the syllabus, then yes.

458 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:43:21am

re: #437 EmmaAnne

The Romney campaign does understand that you collect all this data in order to do something with it, right? That there is no point in knowing who voted unless you then contact the people who haven't?

If they'd understood all that, they might have been able to win the election.

Instead, they didn't even turn Orca on until Election Day itself, while the Obama camp had been using its GOTV efforts all through the early voting periods across the country.

459 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:44:52am

re: #456 NJDhockeyfan

Apparently he was that time.

I'm confused. Where did this come from? Was it from a session of his English class?

460 EmmaAnne  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:46:50am

re: #444 Decatur Deb

If Orca had worked as designed, it would have done little. The TPGOP thinks GOTV starts election week. We were at it months ago, using volunteers while they were paying Sproul to ruin their registration effort.

and also:

Apparently they planned to refocus robo-calls late in the afternoon. Heh.

Bwahahaha! I hope that turns out to be true as well. Never has so much money been spent for so little. Robocalls, honestly. They could have just robocalled all their voters and skipped Orca all together.

In my area, the Dems started (yeah, months ago) by signing up new voters and persuading people to get mail-in ballots. Then we delivered a voting guide to every Dem (and many I's) to coincide with mail-in ballots being delivered. Then we called everyone who hadn't voted to remind them to return their ballot or early vote as applicable. Then we delivered vote notes door to door the last three days before the election to remind those who still hadn't voted to vote and where to go. Then on election day we checked in at the polls twice to cross off voters and call those who still hadn't voted. Some precincts did some door to door, but we ran out of time.

All of this was volunteer labor. And this was just the Dems - OFA was running its own GOTV in parallel.

The Republicans? Apparently they ran a lot of ads and spent money on software that didn't work and was pointless if it did. Glad they won't be running the country.

461 Skip Intro  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:47:28am

re: #325 Gus

So. Has anyone broken the law yet WRT this SEX scandal?

Possibly the FBI, unless they had a warrant to search Broadwell's residence yesterday.

462 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:47:36am

Oh yeah. Found another video (same as above) about this Dr. Grover Furr outrage. Here's part of the description:

It is time for McCarthyism folks.

You know who else would have booted a college professor who they found to be in disagreement?

Stalin.

463 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:48:43am

re: #462 Gus

Oh yeah. Found another video (same as above) about this Dr. Grover Furr outrage. Here's part of the description:

You know who else would have booted a college professor who they found to be in disagreement?

Stalin.

...

College Professor to Students: "I can't find ONE CRIME that Stalin has ever committed".
Watch this video and then you will understand why your kids are brainwashed communist revolutionaries, haters of the USA and Capitalism.The Professor dismissed the questions and comments as 'lies' that a man was asking from the audience about Communism and the murder of over 150 million people.

That man was very well informed and he did a great job.

This is a shocking video and this professor should be banned from teaching. I have added this video to my terrorism archives, because brainwashing the youth with lies is terrorism as far as I am concerned. Why can't he just find a nice teaching job in Moscow or Cuba?

It is time for McCarthyism folks...video description and details below...

Video description:

Dr. Grover Furr is an English professor at Montclair State University. He is actively engaged in concealing the murder of 150 million citizens by Stalin and other communists. How an accessory to genocide like him is permitted to teach at any American University is evidence of the successful Marxist takeover of academia. The above exchange occurred on October 25th, 2012 at that university.

464 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:49:37am

We should fire all professors that don't meet a national ideological standard.

//

465 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:50:13am

re: #460 EmmaAnne

and also:

Bwahahaha! I hope that turns out to be true as well. Never has so much money been spent for so little. Robocalls, honestly. They could have just robocalled all their voters and skipped Orca all together.

In Colorado, the Boulder County Dems started (yeah, months ago) by signing up new voters and persuading people to get mail-in ballots. Then we delivered a voting guide to every Dem (and many I's) to coincide with mail-in ballots being delivered. Then we called everyone who hadn't voted to remind them to return their ballot or early vote as applicable. Then we delivered vote notes door to door the last three days before the election to remind those who still hadn't voted to vote and where to go. Then on election day we checked in at the polls twice to cross off voters and call those who still hadn't voted. Some precincts did some door to door, but we ran out of time.

All of this was volunteer labor. And this was just the Dems - OFA was running its own GOTV in parallel.

The Republicans? Apparently they ran a lot of ads and spent money on software that didn't work and was pointless if it did. Glad they won't be running the country.

We were OfA, carpetbagging Florida, mostly the panhandle. That is mostly deep red country, so we were fused with the local party guys.

466 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:50:37am

re: #457 Sol Berdinowitz

If teachers refulse or fail to teach what's in the syllabus, then yes.

But that's not what we're talking about.

467 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:50:46am

re: #464 Gus

We should fire all professors that don't meet a national ideological standard.

//

Wir sollten feuern alle Professoren, die nicht einer nationalen ideologischen Standard!

//

468 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:51:33am

re: #466 Obdicut

But that's not what we're talking about.

This is just your standard David Horowitz bullshit.

469 Mattand  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:54:41am

Wingnut alert: got a conservative on FB saying that the government, AKA, The Scary Black Man, told response forces to stand down during the Benghazi attack. I'm guessing that's not true, given this guy's level of paranoia, but what's the deal behind this?

470 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:55:14am

re: #469 Mattand

Wingnut alert: got a conservative on FB saying that the government, AKA, The Scary Black Man, told response forces to stand down during the Benghazi attack. I'm guessing that's not true, given this guy's level of paranoia, but what's the deal behind this?

Fox News

471 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:55:32am

re: #469 Mattand

Wingnut alert: got a conservative on FB saying that the government, AKA, The Scary Black Man, told response forces to stand down during the Benghazi attack. I'm guessing that's not true, given this guy's level of paranoia, but what's the deal behind this?

There is no deal, it's just the usual wingnuts making up stupid shit.

472 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:56:42am

re: #468 Gus

Meh. I'm not interested in hearing about college professors unless it turns out they've been banging a four-star general.

/

473 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:57:14am

Giggity.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

474 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:57:39am

re: #472 Interesting Times

Meh. I'm not interested in hearing about college professors unless it turns out they've been banging a four-star general.

/

Don't Ask, Don't Tell My Wife.

475 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:58:05am

re: #469 Mattand

Wingnut alert: got a conservative on FB saying that the government, AKA, The Scary Black Man, told response forces to stand down during the Benghazi attack. I'm guessing that's not true, given this guy's level of paranoia, but what's the deal behind this?

Magical thinking and invented bullshit.

476 GunstarGreen  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:58:40am

re: #71 Kragar

Secession petitions filed in 20 states

Grow up and quit whining, you fucking babies.

This is the part where we slam the federal door in their face and immediately cease ALL federal aid of ANY type going to those states, right?

Right?

Those fuckwits will cave the instant their medicare and social security checks stop coming in.

477 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:58:48am

Woman who drove on sidewalk holds 'idiot' sign

CLEVELAND — A woman caught on camera driving on a sidewalk to pass a Cleveland school bus that was unloading children stood in the cold at an intersection holding a sign warning people about idiots.

A Cleveland Municipal Court judge ordered 32-year-old Shena Hardin to serve the highly public sentence for one hour Tuesday and Wednesday. She arrived bundled up against the 34-degree cold, puffing a cigarette, wearing head phones and avoiding comment as passing vehicles honked.

Satellite TV trucks were on hand to stream the event live near downtown Cleveland.

The sign read: "Only an idiot would drive on the sidewalk to avoid a school bus."

Heh.

478 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:59:39am
479 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:59:54am

re: #477 NJDhockeyfan

Woman who drove on sidewalk holds 'idiot' sign

Heh.

Cruel, unusual, and funny.

480 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:01:07am
481 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:01:52am

A Guide to Understanding the Increasingly Convoluted Petraeus Sex Scandal

Twenty to thirty thousand emails, shirtless photos, illicit sex ("under" a desk, no less): are we sure the Petraeus scandal isn't actually a viral marketing campaign for the next season of Gossip Girl? If you haven't been paying attention to the still-developing drama (we're expecting a secret pregnancy to break this afternoon, followed by a covered-up drug overdose), today is probably a good time to start: catch up with our handy explainer.

482 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:01:57am

re: #478 Gus

Here ya go: And now for something not completely different...

When it comes to which of the two nations, Germany or the USSR, has responsibility for the Katyn massacre in light of what happened to Poland at their hands during WWII, it is like listenting to two crackheads who broke into a house and murdered the family arguing over which one of them strangled grandma...

483 Mattand  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:02:58am

re: #470 Gus

re: #471 Vicious Babushka

re: #475 erik_t

I think it's time to clean house on FB. I hate for it to look like I'm de-friending someone because I disagree with their politics, but this fucking Glenn Beck/delusional stuff isn't worth it.

484 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:04:18am

re: #481 Lidane

A Guide to Understanding the Increasingly Convoluted Petraeus Sex Scandal

The biggest real problem here is how a combat commander has the time to write 30,000 emails about anything except accomplishing his mission and getting his people home.

485 Mattand  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:05:39am

re: #483 Mattand

re: #471 Vicious Babushka

re: #475 erik_t

I think it's time to clean house on FB. I hate for it to look like I'm de-friending someone because I disagree with their politics, but this fucking Glenn Beck/delusional stuff isn't worth it.

It is done. Life is too short to associate with people who claim delusion as rational political thought.

486 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:06:34am

re: #483 Mattand

re: #471 Vicious Babushka

re: #475 erik_t

I think it's time to clean house on FB. I hate for it to look like I'm de-friending someone because I disagree with their politics, but this fucking Glenn Beck/delusional stuff isn't worth it.

I tend to keep clear of politics on FB, it is more than pointless. But my friend list is made up almost entirely of people I know from Real Life (TM) and people I want to remain in active contact with. That excludes most any sort of right wing delusional ranters.

487 GunstarGreen  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:07:25am

re: #483 Mattand

re: #471 Vicious Babushka

re: #475 erik_t

I think it's time to clean house on FB. I hate for it to look like I'm de-friending someone because I disagree with their politics, but this fucking Glenn Beck/delusional stuff isn't worth it.

A) You are de-friending someone over their politics.

B) There is nothing whatsoever wrong with that.

Two things. First of all, are these people actual, in-the-flesh friends, or just people that have clicked the "friend" button on a website? Because honestly, all of the drama over "de-friending" baffles me entirely in the context of most people on facebook having way more "friends" than actual friends.

Secondly? Batshit politics are a good reason to stop associating with someone. A person's politics aren't just formed from the ether, they come from somewhere. I'm good friends with several people who have Republican-leaning politics that are different from mine, we disagree peacably on several policy points. I will not, however, associate with people insane enough to genuinely buy into Beck-style conspiracy theories; those people are unbalanced and likely dangerous to be around.

488 Big Steve  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:07:33am

re: #484 Decatur Deb

The biggest real problem here is how a combat commander has the time to write 30,000 emails about anything except accomplishing his mission and getting his people home.

Wow.....by the time this woman emails have all been read she may single handedly increase the unemployment rate 1%

489 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:08:33am

re: #482 Sol Berdinowitz

When it comes to which of the two nations, Germany or the USSR has responsibility for the Katyn massacre in light of what happened to Poland at their hands during WWII, it is like listenting to two crackheads who broke into a house and murdered the family arguing over which one of them strangled grandma...

Whew. The comments get nasty there.

BTW, in case you missed it, that's Sergey's page.

490 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:09:19am

Doh!

Confirmed: ABC Denver misnames Petraeus book: “All up in my snatch”

Oh my.

A reader just sent me something that I didn’t believe. Then he sent me a photo. Then he sent me a video. Then I found a comment on ABC Denver’s Web site from another viewer who saw the same thing. So now I’m printing it. (UPDATE: It’s nw been confirmed by the local station.)

In a piece on the 5pm news about now-resigned CIA director David Petraeus and his affair with his biographer, Paula Broadwell, ABC News’ Denver affiliate put a photo of the biography on the screen, but the book had an awfully odd name.

The name of the Petraeus biography is, in real life, “All In.”

Pic and video at the link.

491 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:11:07am

re: #490 NJDhockeyfan

Doh!

Confirmed: ABC Denver misnames Petraeus book: “All up in my snatch”

Pic and video at the link.

Would love to find the person behind photoshopping the book cover and send them a case of the Rhineland's fines sparkling wine...

492 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:12:37am

re: #490 NJDhockeyfan

Pure. Awesome.

493 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:12:47am

Where will YOU be on Papa John's Appreciation Day?

494 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:12:48am

re: #484 Decatur Deb

The biggest real problem here is how a combat commander has the time to write 30,000 emails about anything except accomplishing his mission and getting his people home.

Seriously. If I was currently serving in Afghanistan or if I had a loved one over there, I'd be livid right now. WTF. The commander over there has time to send all these emails and chats about this shit? REALLY?

495 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:14:19am

re: #469 Mattand

Wingnut alert: got a conservative on FB saying that the government, AKA, The Scary Black Man, told response forces to stand down during the Benghazi attack. I'm guessing that's not true, given this guy's level of paranoia, but what's the deal behind this?

Han11ty.

Benghazi is officially now a Wingnut Article Of Faith. They're all convinced that if the 'liberal media' 'did its job' and 'covered Benghazi' instead of 'ignoring' it, it would 'take Obama down.'

(Feel free to do the McCain 'scare quote' thing everywhere I included them. It's fun!)

496 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:14:20am

re: #493 dragonath

Where will YOU be on Papa John's Appreciation Day?

Working from home since Formula 1 is coming here to Austin and downtown is going to be a mess.

And no, I'm not going to order Papa John's when I get hungry. I'm going to cook for myself.

497 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:14:27am

re: #493 dragonath

Where will YOU be on Papa John's Appreciation Day?

de-friending anyone who sends me that link...

498 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:14:35am

re: #483 Mattand

re: #471 Vicious Babushka

re: #475 erik_t

I think it's time to clean house on FB. I hate for it to look like I'm de-friending someone because I disagree with their politics, but this fucking Glenn Beck/delusional stuff isn't worth it.

Just hide their feeds from your timeline.

499 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:14:49am

But yeah, Dr. Grover Furr is a douche nozzle.

500 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:14:59am

re: #493 dragonath

Where will YOU be on Papa John's Appreciation Day?

ordering pizza from one of my local places that is fare better than Papa Johns.

501 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:15:31am

re: #500 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

ordering pizza from one of my local places that is fare better than Papa Johns.

Making my own homemade pizza.

502 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:15:51am

re: #335 darthstar

So that's what they're calling it these days.

SMACK!

503 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:16:02am

re: #494 Lidane

Seriously. If I was currently serving in Afghanistan or if I had a loved one over there, I'd be livid right now. WTF. The commander over there has time to send all these emails and chats about this shit? REALLY?

Could you imagine if a unit of enlisted personnel had that amount of philandering going on? There'd be hell to pay. This is embarrassing and disgraceful.

504 Big Steve  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:16:50am

When you look at how nondescript and mousey looking Petraeus is it just confirms that we still carry our chimp genes........men focus on good looking women with large racks.....and women go for those alpha males with power.

505 blueraven  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:17:17am

Omnishambles named word of the year by Oxford English Dictionary

The word - meaning a situation which is shambolic from every possible angle - was coined in 2009 by the writers of BBC political satire The Thick of It.

Just add an R and you have Romnishambles
coincidence? I think not!

506 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:17:28am

re: #295 Vicious Babushka

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The Donald has to make up for his charity donations from somewhere...
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507 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:17:37am

re: #480 Gus

Bzzt.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I miss Sergey.

508 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:18:36am

re: #499 Gus

But yeah, Dr. Grover Furr is a douche nozzle.

Dr. Grover Furr. Wait, you mean that isn't a fursona name?

509 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:18:47am

re: #490 NJDhockeyfan

Doh!

Confirmed: ABC Denver misnames Petraeus book: “All up in my snatch”

Pic and video at the link.

That's evil. I like it.

510 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:19:00am

re: #504 Big Steve

When you look at how nondescript and mousey looking Petraeus is it just confirms that we still carry our chimp genes........men focus on good looking women with large racks.....and women go for those alpha males with power.

Oh for fuck's sake.

By the way, that whole "Alpha" stuff is largely bullshit. In a lot of tribes of apes, the "Alpha" spends so much time trying to assert dominance that he doesn't notice that the lower-ranking males are mating with the females left and right.

I advise you read "A Primate's Memoir" by Sapolsky.

511 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:19:23am

re: #503 Killgore Trout

Could you imagine if a unit of enlisted personnel had that amount of philandering going on? There'd be hell to pay. This is embarrassing and disgraceful.

I saw it happen when I was in the Air Force. One of the enlisted men was having an affair with a pilot's wife. He got is sever trouble and the pilot wasn't allowed to fly until his personal life was back in order. The military doesn't mess around with things like that.

512 Big Steve  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:19:45am

re: #505 blueraven

Omnishambles named word of the year by Oxford English Dictionary

Just add an R and you have Romnishambles
coincidence? I think not!

Normally I don't like making fun of people's names.....but updinged you for just shear innovativeness.

513 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:19:45am

re: #490 NJDhockeyfan

Doh!

Confirmed: ABC Denver misnames Petraeus book: “All up in my snatch”

Pic and video at the link.

Man, is somebody ever fired...

514 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:20:59am

re: #484 Decatur Deb

The biggest real problem here is how a combat commander has the time to write 30,000 emails about anything except accomplishing his mission and getting his people home.

Nobody really knows where that number came from.

Allen’s actions are still unclear, however. Initially, it was reported that he sent 20,000 to 30,000 pages of email to Kelley, a married 37-year-old woman. That would have been relatively impossible to explain. The Washington Post is now reporting that the email tally is something closer to “a few hundred over a couple years,” which could be just about anything, considering Kelley’s supposed involvement in military charity work.

Multiple 24 hour rules.

515 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:21:03am

re: #507 Obdicut

I miss Sergey.

Yeah, he knows a lot about this sort of thing. Which is why I mentioned him in #362. It was pretty obvious from the onset that Dr. Furr is a "Stalin denier" of sorts.

516 Mattand  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:22:05am

re: #487 GunstarGreen

A) You are de-friending someone over their politics.

B) There is nothing whatsoever wrong with that.

Two things. First of all, are these people actual, in-the-flesh friends, or just people that have clicked the "friend" button on a website? Because honestly, all of the drama over "de-friending" baffles me entirely in the context of most people on facebook having way more "friends" than actual friends.

Secondly? Batshit politics are a good reason to stop associating with someone. A person's politics aren't just formed from the ether, they come from somewhere. I'm good friends with several people who have Republican-leaning politics that are different from mine, we disagree peacably on several policy points. I will not, however, associate with people insane enough to genuinely buy into Beck-style conspiracy theories; those people are unbalanced and likely dangerous to be around.

You're right. In my mind, accusing the President of allowing the Ambassador to be killed isn't politics; it's mental illness. No different than the truthers.

Guy in question is a long time college friend of the Better Half. Not really a good friend, but actually a pleasant person as long as you stay away from politics. Not a big loss.

For me, the thing is I'm more than happy to have a political discussion, but the current wingnut mindset among conservatives is making that really, really, tough. Hell, as I said before, I first came to LGF with the understanding that it was a conservative blog that embraced reality.

I think I'm bummed out too by the fact the conservatives gestalt is so fucked up right now. Doesn't bode well for our country.

517 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:22:16am

re: #514 Obdicut

Nobody really knows where that number came from.

Multiple 24 hour rules.

Yeah--that's a lot more credible. 30,000 comments would make him a Bull Lizard.

518 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:22:20am

re: #510 Obdicut

Oh for fuck's sake.

By the way, that whole "Alpha" stuff is largely bullshit. In a lot of tribes of apes, the "Alpha" spends so much time trying to assert dominance that he doesn't notice that the lower-ranking males are mating with the females left and right.

I advise you read "A Primate's Memoir" by Sapolsky.

Or watch the last released episode of Futurama, ("Naturama) the part where they're all seals in particular.

519 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:23:08am

re: #514 Obdicut

Nobody really knows where that number came from.

Multiple 24 hour rules.

I'll wait for the NTSB report. //

520 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:24:03am

re: #517 Decatur Deb

Yeah--that's a lot more credible. 30,000 comments would make him a Bull Lizard.

What does that make me? A Cthulhu Lizard? //

521 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:25:20am

re: #520 Gus

What does that make me? A Cthulhu Lizard? //

Checking...Good god.

522 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:27:01am

re: #511 NJDhockeyfan

The military doesn't mess around with things like that.

Apparently, that doesn't apply to four star generals.

WTF. This whole sordid affair is like a bad soap opera. I think I've seen novelas with less convoluted plots.

523 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:27:05am

re: #521 Decatur Deb

Checking...Good god.

Bow before my greatness!

//

524 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:27:13am
525 Mattand  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:27:15am

re: #518 jamesfirecat

Or watch the last released episode of Futurama, ("Naturama) the part where they're all seals in particular.

Man, that show is so underrated. You can tell it's really where Groenig's heart is.

526 Big Steve  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:28:12am

re: #510 Obdicut

Oh for fuck's sake.

By the way, that whole "Alpha" stuff is largely bullshit. In a lot of tribes of apes, the "Alpha" spends so much time trying to assert dominance that he doesn't notice that the lower-ranking males are mating with the females left and right.

I advise you read "A Primate's Memoir" by Sapolsky.

Great book by the way....read it a few years ago. I guess you are arguing that women are not attracted to successful men. Without this, I for the life of me, can't figure out how Donald Trump ever successfully had children.

527 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:28:54am

re: #525 Mattand

Man, that show is so underrated. You can tell it's really where Groenig's heart is.

Clearly. But given the age of The Simpsons, that's to be expected.

528 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:29:32am

re: #509 Dark_Falcon

That's evil. I like it.

I couldn't resist...paged.

529 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:30:01am

re: #528 NJDhockeyfan

I couldn't resist...paged.

530 Big Steve  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:30:20am

re: #507 Obdicut

I miss Sergey.

What happened to Sergey? Does he not come around here no more?

531 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:30:21am

I'm beginning to wonder is there is some secret network of concubines for our military.

532 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:30:50am

re: #529 Gus

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...

However, when the 7NEWS reporter went on the Internet to get an image of the book cover, the reporter mistakenly grabbed a Photoshopped image that said, "All In Up My Snatch."

"It was a mistake," said KMGH-TV News Director Jeff Harris.

"It was a regrettable and an embarrassing error. We are mortified this appeared during our 5 p.m. news broadcast. The editor pulled the image of the book cover from the Internet without realizing it had been doctored. We sincerely regret the error and have corrected the story to avoid any recurrence of its broadcast. We are following up internally as well to avoid a repeat of this inexcusable oversight," Harris said.

533 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:30:57am

re: #526 Big Steve

Great book by the way....read it a few years ago. I guess you are arguing that women are not attracted to successful men. Without this, I for the life of me, can't figure out how Donald Trump ever successfully had children.

I'm arguing that 'women' aren't attracted to anything, and generalizations like that are silly.

If you read the book, you'll know that one of the most successful baboons was the one who never engaged in any confrontation with other males, but simply socialized with the females.

534 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:31:38am

re: #530 Big Steve

What happened to Sergey? Does he not come around here no more?

He said he was taking a break from the interwebs. Whether this is for a personal reason or because Putin is really cracking down on pro-democracy people, I dunno. Probably just taking time to himself.

535 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:31:43am

re: #529 Gus

[Embedded content]

LOL...That mistake will live forever on the internet now.

536 blueraven  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:32:30am

re: #521 Decatur Deb

Checking...Good god.

Oh hell, now we need a rating system
Hatchling
Bull
Cthulhu

Need moar cats

537 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:33:23am

And the "Black Cat" has exploded on my Twitter timeline.

538 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:34:59am

re: #535 NJDhockeyfan

LOL...That mistake will live forever on the internet now.

Colorado. Ya think someone went to work a little baked?

539 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:35:59am

re: #514 Obdicut

Nobody really knows where that number came from.

Multiple 24 hour rules.

Eddie Murphy will get to the bottom of this in 48 hours!

540 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:36:17am

re: #536 blueraven

Oh hell, now we need a rating system
Hatchling
Bull
Cthulhu

Need moar cats

Probably that.

541 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:37:15am

Martin Sheen is on a troofer roll... Building 7!

542 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:37:37am

re: #537 Gus

And the "Black Cat" has exploded on my Twitter timeline.

If you're getting instructions from the black cat be sure to follow them. Best not to defy the Feline Overlord.

544 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:39:45am

New rules:

No employee or member of the CIA, FBI, the Pentagon and all service members shall be allowed to retain a personal biographer while in service.

545 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:42:09am

More whitehouse.gov "We the People" petitions.

Deport Everyone That Signed A Petition To Withdraw Their State From The United States Of America.

Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them

I think the count of states with petitions is up to 47 now, I lost count when reading them though because the idiots have started duplicate petitions for a bunch of the same states.
[Link: petitions.whitehouse.gov...]

546 blueraven  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:43:57am

re: #512 Big Steve

Normally I don't like making fun of people's names.....but updinged you for just shear innovativeness.

Used more to make fun of his campaign, especially the GOTV effort than a personal hit on the man.

547 Mattand  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:46:44am

re: #544 Gus

New rules:

No employee or member of the CIA, FBI, the Pentagon and all service members shall be allowed to retain a personal biographer while in service.

If it turns out they were hiking on the Appalachian Trail, my head will a-splode.

548 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:47:02am

re: #532 Gus

One of these days an error like that is going to occur, and the person responsible, as well as the organization is going to be like "you know what, it's funny and fitting, and if you uptight losers can't deal with it, hop on a boat to an undiscovered (by white people) country and fuck right the hell off."

All because some 'Mom' might have to explain to her child what a "snatch" is.

549 calochortus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:57:35am

re: #533 Obdicut

I'm arguing that 'women' aren't attracted to anything, and generalizations like that are silly.

If you read the book, you'll know that one of the most successful baboons was the one who never engaged in any confrontation with other males, but simply socialized with the females.

If I recall correctly he also, rather unusually, "retired" from his leadership position without being deposed, and spent his golden years with the troop dandling young baboons on his knee and the like.

re: #526 Big Steve

Great book by the way....read it a few years ago. I guess you are arguing that women are not attracted to successful men. Without this, I for the life of me, can't figure out how Donald Trump ever successfully had children.

Women are obviously attracted to alpha males, however since most research was originally being done by men, they overlooked the extent to which females exercise choice in their mating. From primates to birds and beyond DNA has provided incontrovertible proof that females mate with males other than their "mate" or the alpha male. They just sneak around to do it.

550 Jaerik  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:23:19pm

re: #16 Sophist is the VillageGreen Preservation Society

Is our government entirely staffed with oversexed teenagers, or just mostly staffed with oversexed teenagers?

It's actually a power thing.

Tons of psychological studies showing that power directly influences hormone production and triggers an evolutionary drive to capitalize on that power for procreation and sexual dominance. In both genders.

Some of us just have stronger conscious, executive overrides to suppress it than others. But you really don't know until you're put in that position for a long enough period of time.


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