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Creationist Gov. Bobby Jindal Calls for the GOP to Stop Being Stupid

Irony meter pegged again
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Some Republican politicians are trying to get out in front of their massive loss this election by making speeches calling for the party to stop being so stupid.

No, really — that’s what Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal said yesterday.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal on Monday called on Republicans to “stop being the stupid party” and make a concerted effort to reach a broader swath of voters with an inclusive economic message that pre-empts efforts to caricature the GOP as the party of the rich.

In his first interview since his party’s electoral thumping last week, Jindal urged Republicans to both reject anti-intellectualism and embrace a populist-tinged reform approach that he said would mitigate what exit polls show was one of President Barack Obama’s most effective lines of attack against Mitt Romney. …

“It is no secret we had a number of Republicans damage our brand this year with offensive, bizarre comments — enough of that,” Jindal said. “It’s not going to be the last time anyone says something stupid within our party, but it can’t be tolerated within our party. We’ve also had enough of this dumbed-down conservatism. We need to stop being simplistic, we need to trust the intelligence of the American people and we need to stop insulting the intelligence of the voters.”

Politico’s article doesn’t mention it, but Gov. Jindal is rather infamous at LGF for pushing the very stupidest of stupid right wing positions; he enthusiastically promoted and signed into law a bill in Louisiana that legitimizes the teaching of creationism under the disguise of “academic freedom.” Jindal’s promotion of creationism outraged scientists across America; one scientific organization actually cancelled a major convention in protest.

More recently, Jindal has also promoted legislation that allows Louisiana state funding to go to private religious schools that teach creationism and all kinds of other anti-science mind rot.

And that’s not all, by a long shot. While a college student, Jindal took part in an exorcism, that he claimed cured a woman of cancer.

And of course, when Jindal gave the GOP response to President Obama’s congressional address in 2009, he singled out “volcano monitoring” for mockery, as a government expense he would cut — a few months before the eruption of a giant Icelandic volcano that disrupted air traffic all around the world. Jindal’s dumb comments about volcano monitoring also outraged scientists across America.

This is the guy who’s going to be the poster boy for the new super-intelligent big-brained GOP?

Good luck with that.

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302 comments

1 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:20:10am

Irony can be pretty ironic.

2 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:21:00am

Uh Bobby, you're part of the problem not the solution but thanks for playing.

3 Tumulus11  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:21:46am

. The GOP requires an exorcism.

4 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:22:02am

That particular cow left the barn a long time ago, Bobby.

5 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:22:26am

I call on Bobby Jindal to stop being stupid.

6 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:22:38am

re: #3 Tumulus11

. The GOP requires an exorcism.

GOPJoker: This party needs a enema.

7 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:22:47am

Another rabid-religious zealot.

NEXT

8 Skip Intro  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:22:53am
This is the guy who’s going to be the poster boy for the new super-intelligent big-brained GOP?

He's the GOP's Albert Einstein compared to the rest of his party, because he's only 75% insane.

9 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:23:55am

Definitely do think an internal civil war is brewing. It's their own damn fault and I love every second of it because they deserve it after sicking the Tea Party on us in 2010.

10 mr.fusion  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:23:59am

And this is the biggest problem with the GOP right now

Anyone with the gravitas needed to move the party away from the stupidity was excommunicated for not peddling teh stoopid.

They could be screwed for a long long time

11 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:24:06am

Sounds like Bobby is trying to throw his hat into the ring for a run in the next Presidential primary.

12 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:24:14am

re: #3 Tumulus11

. The GOP requires an exorcism.

An exorcism and an enema.

Neither will happen until the GOP nominates a True Believer and total wingnut for POTUS and gets destroyed at the polls. It will take a Mondale-style national humiliation before they even start to try and change. It will also take a Republican version of the DLC to bring the party back from the edge of total insanity.

13 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:25:55am

Frank says:

THE VERY BIG STUPID is a thing which breeds by eating The Future. Have you seen it? It sometimes disguises itself as a good-looking quarterly bottom line, derived by closing the R&D Department.

14 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:26:30am

re: #12 Lidane

An exorcism and an enema.

Made me think of the movie "Dogma" and the shit demon.

15 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:26:49am

re: #11 Ghost of Tom Joad

Sounds like Bobby is trying to throw his hat into the ring for a run in the next Presidential primary.

I think that has been in his mind for a long time.

16 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:27:12am

re: #12 Lidane

It will take a Mondale-style national humiliation before they even start to try and change.

I keep hearing this, but it's not going to happen. What sort of candidate would be required to turn 49 states blue? To turn South Carolina, or Alabama, or Utah, or Wyoming into democratic EVs?

I'm not sure if it says more about the era or about the willingness of one side to reconsider, but a 49-state win is unfathomable today. And it sure as hell would take a candidate fantastically more radical than Walter Mondale.

17 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:27:56am

re: #16 erik_t

I keep hearing this, but it's not going to happen. What sort of candidate would be required to turn 49 states blue? To turn South Carolina, or Alabama, or Utah, or Wyoming into democratic EVs?

Santorum/Bachmann '16

18 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:28:15am

re: #16 erik_t

I keep hearing this, but it's not going to happen. What sort of candidate would be required to turn 49 states blue? To turn South Carolina, or Alabama, or Utah, or Wyoming into democratic EVs?

I'm not sure if it says more about the era or about the willingness of one side to reconsider, but a 49-state win is unfathomable today. And it sure as hell would take a candidate fantastically more radical than Walter Mondale.

Though an election where the GOP lost Texas would certainly get their attention.

19 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:28:23am

re: #17 Vicious Babushka

Santorum/Bachmann '16

Winning.

20 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:28:51am

re: #17 Vicious Babushka

Santorum/Bachmann '16

I'd like to think so. I don't really believe it.

21 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:28:52am

Mondale was a unique disaster, but the point is that the GOP has sworn itself to a path of ideological purity, even in the face of denying the facts of science and demographics.

22 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:28:53am

What a moran. Everything he says the party should change are their party's principles.

23 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:29:16am

re: #19 Gus

Winning.

Another GOP ticket where they cannot win their home states?

24 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:29:45am

re: #23 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Another GOP ticket where they cannot win their home states?

1/2 maybe.

25 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:30:14am

re: #23 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Another GOP ticket where they cannot win their home states?

Romney/Ryan did not carry their own home states.

26 Skip Intro  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:30:34am

re: #15 Gretchen G.Tiger

I think that has been in his mind for a long time.

This statement of his will make Rush Limbaugh and the rest of the RW talkers chalk him up as one of the enemy.

Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal on Monday called on Republicans to “stop being the stupid party” and make a concerted effort to reach a broader swath of voters with an inclusive economic message that pre-empts efforts to caricature the GOP as the party of the rich.

Until the GOP finds a way to marginalize these people, it's just going to find itself wandering deeper into the sewers of the RWNJs belief system.

27 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:30:37am

re: #24 Gus

1/2 maybe.

That is Louisiana would likely go for that ticket.

28 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:30:37am

re: #24 Gus

1/2 maybe.

Santorum carrying PA, or Bachmann MN?

I don't think Santorum would take PA.

29 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:30:40am

re: #24 Gus

1/2 maybe.

Which half?

30 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:30:44am

re: #18 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Though an election where the GOP lost Texas would certainly get their attention.

Yeah, this.

Really, if they lose Texas they're fucked. Even that lunatic Ted Cruz said as much the other day. Without Texas, they have no path to 270. If this state flips, they're in trouble.

31 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:31:03am

re: #23 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Another GOP ticket where they cannot win their home states?

FML I put Jindal in there, nevermind. Minnesota definitely. Bachmann would get destroyed in anything outside of her gerrymandered district.

32 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:31:05am

re: #29 erik_t

Which half?

Minnesota.

33 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:31:24am

Their base is so ready for change they are petitioning for secession. Fuck them in the ear.

34 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:31:46am

Doubling down on the stupid:
Post-Romney, RINO GOP must move Tea Party right, not wrong left

In their post-election analysis, many of these same “experts” are giving poisonous advice to a party in serious trouble. They are recommending the party move in the direction of Democrats on issues such as illegal immigration, gay marriage, drug use, taxes, abortion to name a few. Following such advice would be the death knell of the Republican Party.

LMAO! Attention, wingnuts. Smug, ignorant, Bible-thumping bigots and Libertarian conspiraloons are not the majority in this country. Even your final, last ditch hope, that Jesus will return, is mistaken. If you actually read the New Testament, you would know that He is more likely to chase you into the street with a whip than to enforce your hateful agenda.

35 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:31:48am

I just don't see a Mondale or Goldwater or McGovern type landslide happening ever again. The thing is the extreme mindset is a minority one but they're large enough to make it look like their cause has some pull which is why Santorum was able to stay in as long as he was if you ask me.

36 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:32:02am

re: #17 Vicious Babushka

Santorum/Bachmann '16

Palin/Ryan '16

37 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:32:51am

re: #30 Lidane

Yeah, this.

Really, if they lose Texas they're fucked. Even that lunatic Ted Cruz said as much the other day. Without Texas, they have no path to 270. If this state flips, they're in trouble.

Thing to watch for is Texas GOP trying to convert into proportional distribution of their EV. That will be the realization that they are losing and thus are trying to simply keep some of the pie.

38 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:32:55am

Dick Morris/Marcus Bachmann 2016

//

39 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:33:50am

Palin/Huckabee?

40 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:34:01am

I think people won't care about creationism if someone like Jindal could sketch out what he intends to do to help them succeed in America and makes clear that his policies will be themed "Prosperity for All!" and not "Prosperity for white people and even more the top 5%." He's been able to do a fine job in Louisiana.

41 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:34:04am

re: #38 Gus

Dick Morris/Marcus Bachmann 2016

//

Morris/Rove 2016 - We GUARANTEE a landslide!

42 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:34:19am

lol

43 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:35:28am

re: #32 Gus

Minnesota.

Bachmann would be utterly destroyed in Minnesota. Utterly and completely.

44 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:35:47am

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Palin/Huckabee?

Would Huck be willing to be 2nd fiddle to a woman?

45 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:36:00am

On a positive note:

I've been trying to cultivate the friendships I have with younger people. Mostly because they seem to be the most sane people I know. Or perhaps, it's reflection of my own level of sanity, who knows.

Anyway, this election cycle, they calmed me a lot. If we just let them have the country that is for the most part theirs already, I think we'd be ok. It's the old people we have to watch-out for.

One friend is the daughter of a AA preacher. She and the people I know that attend her father's church are some of the most grounded and sane people I know. Why can't all religious people be this way?

46 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:36:04am

Pretty sad to read about secessionist movements all the while when trailers for a movie about the man who keep this country together are playing constantly. Sometimes I feel that the biggest lesson of history is we don't learn a damned thing from it. Really tests you.

47 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:36:23am

re: #44 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Would Huck be willing to be 2nd fiddle to a woman?

If it would get him one step closer to power, yeah.

48 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:36:24am

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

I think people won't care about creationism if someone like Jindal could sketch out what he intends to do to help them succeed in America and makes clear that his policies will be themed "Prosperity for All!" and not "Prosperity for white people and even more the top 5%."

People should care about creationism. It's anti-intellectual, anti-science nonsense that harms this country. The longer people keep clinging to this bullshit, the further behind we get in terms of math and science and education.

We live in an age where the world quite literally is at our fingertips. Denying science and denying reason via religious fundamentalism and creationism is a threat to this country and to our continued forward progress.

49 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:36:48am

re: #34 Shiplord Kirel

Doubling down on the stupid:
Post-Romney, RINO GOP must move Tea Party right, not wrong left

LMAO! Attention, wingnuts. Smug, ignorant, Bible-thumping bigots and Libertarian conspiraloons are not the majority in this country. Even your final, last ditch hope, that Jesus will return, is mistaken. If you actually read the New Testament, you would know that He is more likely to chase you into the street with a whip than to enforce your hateful agenda.

A few wingnuts have told me that the key to GOP victory in the future is, essentially, to become the Libertarian party in all but name. One told me that the youth vote was all "energized" by Luap Nor, and if the GOP had nominated him, they'd surely have won.

50 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:37:24am

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

I think people won't care about creationism if someone like Jindal could sketch out what he intends to do to help them succeed in America and makes clear that his policies will be themed "Prosperity for All!" and not "Prosperity for white people and even more the top 5%." He's been able to do a fine job in Louisiana.

What, exactly, has he done for Louisiana?

51 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:37:29am

I have generic Democrat beating generic Republican in 2016. :D

52 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:37:59am

re: #44 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Would Huck be willing to be 2nd fiddle banjo to a woman?

Fixed

53 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:38:06am

re: #48 Lidane

People should care about creationism. It's anti-intellectual, anti-science nonsense that harms this country. The longer people keep clinging to this bullshit, the further behind we get in terms of math and science and education.

We live in an age where the world quite literally is at our fingertips. Denying science and denying reason via religious fundamentalism and creationism is a threat to this country and to our continued forward progress.

It's a threat to the planet, not just this country --every living thing.

54 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:38:10am

re: #38 Gus

Dick Morris/Marcus Bachmann 2016

//

Trump/Geller 2016

55 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:38:12am

re: #49 Targetpractice

A few wingnuts have told me that the key to GOP victory in the future is, essentially, to become the Libertarian party in all but name. One told me that the youth vote was all "energized" by Luap Nor, and if the GOP had nominated him, they'd surely have won.

That is probably their next move. I see a rise of "libertarianism". If them selfish douchebags gain real power watch out.

56 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:38:14am

re: #49 Targetpractice

A few wingnuts have told me that the key to GOP victory in the future is, essentially, to become the Libertarian party in all but name. One told me that the youth vote was all "energized" by Luap Nor, and if the GOP had nominated him, they'd surely have won.

That's due to the yutes having a five minute attention span and losing interest before the speech gets to 5:01 and Ron says something completely nuts.
//

57 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:38:15am

re: #50 Gretchen G.Tiger

What, exactly, has he done for Louisiana?

Being Republican.

58 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:38:16am

re: #50 Gretchen G.Tiger

What, exactly, has he done for Louisiana?

Cleaned out the corruption for one. Kept the state's books balanced without gimmicks, for another.

59 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:38:49am

Errands. bbl

60 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:38:56am

re: #54 Vicious Babushka

Trump/Geller 2016

I'm buying alcohol and popcorn futures if that ticket comes into being.

61 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:39:05am

re: #55 Amory Blaine

That is probably their next move. I see a rise of "libertarianism". If them selfish douchebags gain real power watch out.

It would still be all about money.

I wouldn't mind seeing the theocrats demoted to 3rd party status.

62 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:39:06am

re: #56 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

That's due to the yutes having a five minute attention span and losing interest before the speech gets to 5:01 and Ron says something completely nuts.
//

More like the yutes heard "decriminalization" and think that means pot's gonna be totally legal.

63 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:39:36am

Trump's Hair/Trump 2016

64 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:39:58am

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

I think people won't care about creationism if someone like Jindal could sketch out what he intends to do to help them succeed in America and makes clear that his policies will be themed "Prosperity for All!" and not "Prosperity for white people and even more the top 5%." He's been able to do a fine job in Louisiana.

People won't care about it if he doesn't make it an issue, no matter what he believes. Just like Romney did with his Mormonism.

But if he pulls a Mourdock/Akin and blurts out stupid things about exorcisms or some such other shit during a national race, he's done.

65 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:40:10am

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Cleaned out the corruption for one. Kept the state's books balanced without gimmicks, for another.

Reine, a resident of said State, doesn't have nearly so rosy an opinion.

66 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:40:13am

re: #63 Vicious Babushka

Trump's Hair/Trump 2016

MasterBlaster run Bartertown!

67 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:40:15am

Coulter/Fischer 2016

68 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:40:24am

This is really cool. Replicators must happen soon!

69 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:40:40am

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Cleaned out the corruption for one. Kept the state's books balanced without gimmicks, for another.

Louisiana without corruption?

That would be like Chicago without, well, corruption.

That would violate some major law of something. The world would cease to exist.

70 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:40:52am

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Cleaned out the corruption for one. Kept the state's books balanced without gimmicks, for another.

He's also sold out the next generation of kids by giving education funding to creationist bullshit.

71 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:41:05am

re: #62 Targetpractice

More like the yutes here "decriminalization" and think that means pot's gonna be totally legal.

Still a Federal Crime --no?

72 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:41:06am

re: #67 Vicious Babushka

Hey. Ann has to have her heroes..

73 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:41:47am

re: #70 Lidane

He's also sold out the next generation of kids by giving education funding to creationist bullshit.

Yep. That alone is a reason to vote against Jindal.

74 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:41:47am

This has popped up at the White House petition page:

Strip the Citizenship from Everyone who Signed a Petition to Secede and Exile Them

Mr. President, please sign an executive order such that each American citizen who signed a petition from any state to secede from the USA shall have their citizenship stripped and be peacefully deported.

To Somalia.
The President can't do this of course. Still, it serves a useful purpose in getting the freepers riled, which further diverts them from causing mischief in the real world.

75 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:42:01am

re: #64 Ghost of Tom Joad

People won't care about it if he doesn't make it an issue, no matter what he believes. Just like Romney did with his Mormonism.

But if he pulls a Mourdock/Akin and blurts out stupid things about exorcisms or some such other shit during a national race, he's done.

Even so, people would find talk of exorcism far less creepy than stupid remarks about denying abortion in cases of rape. One is simply weird, whereas the other is both scary and clueless.

76 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:42:36am

re: #71 Gretchen G.Tiger

Still a Federal Crime --no?

The Libertarians have been pushing for pot to be legalized at the federal level for awhile now, and a lot of potheads think that means that it will be legal wherever they live. But no, if the states don't criminalize it, the cities will.

77 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:42:41am

It really pisses me off that Zedushka likes to read a bunch of Ann Coulter books. Should I make him sleep in the garage in the back seat of the Obamamobile?

78 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:43:01am

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Even so, people would find talk of exorcism far less creepy than stupid remarks about denying abortion in cases of rape. One is simply weird, whereas the other is both scary and clueless.

Exorcism is the definition of creepy.

79 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:43:30am

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Cleaned out the corruption for one. Kept the state's books balanced without gimmicks, for another.

LOL:

Just as Gannett has positioned itself to “break” the scandal of American Legislative Exchange Council influence on Gov. Piyush Jindal, it appears it may have missed an even bigger story currently developing in St. Tammany Parish.

It’s taken awhile, but Gannett Louisiana papers have become the first of the metropolitan dailies in Louisiana to finally take notice of the incredible influence that ALEC holds over the legislative process in Louisiana.

80 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:43:44am

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Even so, people would find talk of exorcism far less creepy than stupid remarks about denying abortion in cases of rape. One is simply weird, whereas the other is both scary and clueless.

Perhaps they won't find it all that creepy, but it certainly helps sell the argument that Jindal is totally disconnected from reality, such that he thinks exorcism is a form of healing in the 21st century.

81 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:44:07am

re: #73 HappyWarrior

Yep. That alone is a reason to vote against Jindal.

Not in my eyes. Creationism is but a small loss compared to the gains.

82 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:44:09am

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Cleaned out the corruption for one. Kept the state's books balanced without gimmicks, for another.

Both of those are untrue. As we know from Reine's reporting, he has attempted-- don't know if he's been successful-- to seize the health insurance fund that state workers paid into. That's a hell of a gimmick.

He's also fought hard against government transparency laws that would enable us to fight corruption and famously keeps an incredibly tight inner circle.

83 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:44:21am

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Cleaned out the corruption for one. Kept the state's books balanced without gimmicks, for another.

Is nuking the state university system a gimmick?

84 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:44:23am

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

Even so, people would find talk of exorcism far less creepy than stupid remarks about denying abortion in cases of rape. One is simply weird, whereas the other is both scary and clueless.

He believes that demons are real and can possess people. How is that not creepy?

Denying abortion in cases of rape is hateful and sexist and evil. Believing in demons and that exorcisms are real is creepy.

85 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:44:25am

So, there was a report yesterday that Ron Paul is one of the most corrupt members of Congress from CREW. So much for Ron Paul being pure as the snow.*
*Not like I actually ever believed that crap

86 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:44:34am

re: #78 Gretchen G.Tiger

Exorcism is the definition of creepy.

Everyone knows trepanning is much more effective.

87 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:44:51am

We’ve also had enough of this dumbed-down conservatism

he's gonna replace it with dumbed-up conservatism

88 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:44:53am

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Not in my eyes. Creationism is but a small loss compared to the gains.

Magical thinker is not particularly offended by magical thinking. Film at 11.

89 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:44:59am

re: #76 Targetpractice

The Libertarians have been pushing for pot to be legalized at the federal level for awhile now, and a lot of potheads think that means that it will be legal wherever they live. But no, if the states don't criminalize it, the cities will.

Yeah, been trying to figure-out how all this is going to play out. Pot may be *legal* in Colorado, but if the DEA wants to bust you, they can and will--right?

It's an important step IMHO to stopping the Drug War, but here is a long, long way to go.

90 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:45:01am

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Not in my eyes. Creationism is but a small loss compared to the gains.

Get real. Creationism is a massive loss both for this country and for our future.

91 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:45:03am

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Not in my eyes. Creationism is but a small loss compared to the gains.

So you'd ignore his education policies?

92 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:45:16am

re: #85 HappyWarrior

So, there was a report yesterday that Ron Paul is one of the most corrupt members of Congress from CREW. So much for Ron Paul being pure as the YELLOW snow.*
*Not like I actually ever believed that crap

fixed that for ya

93 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:45:18am

Total police dickishness...

Homeless man arrested for charging phone in park

SARASOTA - A homeless man spent the night in jail Sunday after police arrested him for charging his cellphone in a public picnic shelter at Gillespie Park.

Darren Kersey, 28, was charged with theft of utilities after Sarasota Police Sgt. Anthony Frangioni spotted him charging his phone at about 9:20 p.m. Sunday. Unable to come up with the $500 bail for the misdemeanor, Kersey had no choice but to stay in jail.

In his arrest report, Frangioni wrote that he told Kersey that the “theft of city utilities will not be tolerated during this bad economy.” Frangioni also told Kersey that he should charge his phone at local shelters, according to the report.

But Monday morning Circuit Judge Charles Williams threw the case out, saying Frangioni lacked the legal justification to make the arrest.

So the cop arrests the guy for plugging a cell phone charger in to an outlet at a picnic shelter that is there so people can plug in radios, fans, P.A. systems, or anything they want to while using the shelter?

That cost the city what, maybe a nickel tops? How much did it cost the city to feed and supervise him overnight in jail? This is nothing but dickish harassment by a cop on a power trip.

94 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:45:51am

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Not in my eyes. Creationism is but a small loss compared to the gains.

What the fuck?

What does creationism gain us? It weakens us. Hugely. Our country depends on success in science, Dark.

Your thinking is getting incredibly twisted.

95 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:46:09am

re: #77 Vicious Babushka

It really pisses me off that Zedushka likes to read a bunch of Ann Coulter books. Should I make him sleep in the garage in the back seat of the Obamamobile?

I started pointing out to my hubby how skanky she looks --cadavorous, etc.

It helped him realize what a product she and her books were.

96 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:46:13am

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Cleaned out the corruption for one. Kept the state's books balanced without gimmicks, for another.

Yeah, about that...

[Link: www.stateintegrity.org...]

And before you say that Jindal "cleaned it up", you might want to read this.
[Link: www.wwltv.com...]

97 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:46:15am

re: #93 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Total police dickishness...

Homeless man arrested for charging phone in park

So the cop arrests the guy for plugging a cell phone charger in to an outlet at a picnic shelter that is there so people can plug in radios, fans, P.A. systems, or anything they want to while using the shelter?

That cost the city what, maybe a nickel tops? How much did it cost the city to feed and supervise him overnight in jail? This is nothing but dickish harassment by a cop on a power trip.

It was an Obamaphone!1!ty

98 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:47:15am

Damn.

99 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:47:20am

re: #83 erik_t

Is nuking the state university system a gimmick?

Sorry, that's only the UL system. He's also doing his best to nuke LSU, probably the only school in the list you've even heard of.

100 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:47:44am

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Not in my eyes. Creationism is but a small loss compared to the gains.

So, fiscal responsibility (and some garbage about corruption...yeah, believing that)>>>stupifying a generation of children.

Got it.

101 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:48:28am

re: #91 HappyWarrior

So you'd ignore his education policies?

Children's minds are not nearly as important as the personhood of a fetus.

102 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:48:45am

Teaching creationism is just stupid. You want to know why we lag behind other countries in science? It's because we have idiot politicians like Bobby Jindal who prefer pandering to people who believe in Creationism rather than actually caring about science. Scientific research was one of the key things that led to us becoming a great country and it's going to be one of the things that help us remain one.

103 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:48:55am

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Not in my eyes. Creationism is but a small loss compared to the gains.

What "gains"? What do we "gain" from embracing creationism that outweighs the damage it does to our scientific and economic standing in the world?

104 Amory Blaine  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:49:11am

Fiscally responsible while preparing for magic events like exorcisms. No volcano monitoring though. The fact that conservatives hold this man in high regard is laughable.

105 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:49:51am

re: #93 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Total police dickishness...

Homeless man arrested for charging phone in park

So the cop arrests the guy for plugging a cell phone charger in to an outlet at a picnic shelter that is there so people can plug in radios, fans, P.A. systems, or anything they want to while using the shelter?

That cost the city what, maybe a nickel tops? How much did it cost the city to feed and supervise him overnight in jail? This is nothing but dickish harassment by a cop on a power trip.

Homeless people should not have cell phones --doncha know?

*grr*

106 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:49:55am

re: #104 Amory Blaine

Fiscally responsible while preparing for magic events like exorcisms. No volcano monitoring though. The fact that conservatives hold this man in high regard is laughable.

A lot of their heroes are laughable.

107 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:49:58am

re: #103 Targetpractice

What "gains"? What do we "gain" from embracing creationism that outweighs the damage it does to our scientific and economic standing in the world?

I assume that's just today's nice way of saying he's willing to sell the soul of his beloved tribe Party for a few votes on the side.

Same shit, different day.

108 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:50:04am

re: #40 Dark_Falcon

I think people won't care about creationism if someone like Jindal could sketch out what he intends to do to help them succeed in America and makes clear that his policies will be themed "Prosperity for All!" and not "Prosperity for white people and even more the top 5%." He's been able to do a fine job in Louisiana.

Suggest this is the starting line of the LGF 2016 campaign. Yay..

109 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:52:02am

re: #107 erik_t

I assume that's just today's nice way of saying he's willing to sell the soul of his beloved tribe Party for a few votes on the side.

Same shit, different day.

Plausible. At this point, hanging on anybody who looks the least bit "electable" seems to be the order of the day. At least he's not as far into the darkness as the wingnuts, who think the problem is that the GOP didn't embrace a "true conservative" like Luap Nor.

110 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:52:38am

Erickson call out the Secessionists at Red State

Barack Obama won the election.

He did not win by stealing the election. Voter irregularities always happen. It is one reason we support voter ID rules. But even in the worse scenario of reports out there, there were not enough tales of voter irregularities to matter nationwide. This is another benefit and built in safeguard of the electoral college.

Barack Obama won. He won by turning out the most people in a well run campaign. In other words, he won fair and square. Instances of voter fraud should be taken seriously and we urge their investigation. But any instances of voter fraud would not have altered the ultimate outcome of this election.
...
So let’s add dabblers in this latest nuttiness to birthers as a category of people we do not welcome at RedState. Our aim is to beat the Democrats, not beat a retreat to a Confederacy that Generals Grant and Sherman rent asunder well over a hundred years ago.

Even here at RedState, while we may not much care for him, President Obama is still our President and we are still quite happily citizens of the United States. If we must drain this fever swamp that’s taken hold of a few people on the right over this past week before we can drain the swamp in Washington, so be it.

111 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:54:05am

re: #110 Kragar

A 'few people on the right'-- ha.

112 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:54:21am

re: #110 Kragar

Erickson call out the Secessionists at Red State

"So let’s add dabblers in this latest nuttiness to birthers as a category of people we do not welcome at RedState. Our aim is to beat the Democrats, not beat a retreat to a Confederacy that Generals Grant and Sherman rent asunder well over a hundred years ago."

It's just to use those states as an unbreakable foundation upon which we hope to build 270 Electoral College votes.

113 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:54:53am

re: #110 Kragar

Erickson call out the Secessionists at Red State

Erick, son of Erick, anointed Voice of Reason in the GOP.

I don't want to live on this planet anymore.

114 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:54:53am
115 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:56:11am

re: #108 Decatur Deb

Suggest this is the starting line of the LGF 2016 campaign. Yay..

Thanks.

and now I have to sign off for a time. I've got an interview and need to get ready for it.

116 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:56:47am

re: #110 Kragar

Erickson call out the Secessionists at Red State

When Erickson is the voice of reason, then shit has gotten deep.

117 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:57:25am

What I don't get about the *cough* RC Jindal is that---

1) 99.999999999% of Catholics think Exorcism is creepy and wouldn't dream of asking their Parish Priest for one. It's movie stuff.

2) The Vatican came down squarely and definitely on the side of Evolution and Science.

He is a smart, accomplished guy with a CV & resume to die for, why go this route?

118 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:57:41am

Yeah when the guy who called the chief justice of the supreme court a goat fucking child molester is the voice of reason. You've got problems.

119 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:58:06am

re: #117 Gretchen G.Tiger

What I don't get about the *cough* RC Jindal is that---

1) 99.999999999% of Catholics think Exorcism is creepy and wouldn't dream of asking their Parish Priest for one. It's movie stuff.

2) The Vatican came down squarely and definitely on the side of Evolution and Science.

He is a smart, accomplished guy with a CV & resume to die for, why go this route?

He's a convert. Convert's zeal and all.

120 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:58:11am

re: #116 Targetpractice

When Erickson is the voice of reason, then shit has gotten derp.

FTFY

121 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:59:32am

re: #103 Targetpractice

What "gains"? What do we "gain" from embracing creationism that outweighs the damage it does to our scientific and economic standing in the world?

It's just so wrong in so many ways. It's like saying people were on the right track in 15th century Spain because there were no regulations. They might have been creationists but they could enslave as many natives as they wanted!

122 blueraven  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:59:44am

Physician heal thyself.

Jindal is an educated man, a Rhodes Scholar for goodness sake. I can not understand his anti science rhetoric. Is he just pandering, or what?

123 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:59:53am

Okay, maybe just a little hyperbole.

124 RadicalModerate  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:00:08pm

re: #110 Kragar

Erickson call out the Secessionists at Red State

Yeah, Erickson would never, EVER engage in birtherism and nativist baloney, now would he?

Oh yeah. except when he did exactly that.

May, 2012: CNN's Erick Erickson Calls Obama A "Composite Kenyan" While Praising Breitbart.com For Continued "Vetting" Of Obama

125 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:00:20pm

re: #117 Gretchen G.Tiger

What I don't get about the *cough* RC Jindal is that---

1) 99.999999999% of Catholics think Exorcism is creepy and wouldn't dream of asking their Parish Priest for one. It's movie stuff.

2) The Vatican came down squarely and definitely on the side of Evolution and Science.

But they also came down strongly against reproductive rights for women.

126 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:01:29pm

re: #18 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Though an election where the GOP lost Texas would certainly get their attention.

We are not that far away anymore, Texas election results for 2012...

Mitt Romney/ Paul Ryan REP 4,555,857 57.20%
Barack Obama/ Joe Biden DEM 3,294,482 41.36%

While Texas demographics are changing rapidly...

However, the demographics show that the Texas population is changing. The Texas of 2010 is not the Texas of 2000—and it certainly won’t be the Texas of 2020 in how it looks and, presumably, how it votes.

Over the past decade, Texas has added more than 4.2 million residents, a 20 percent population increase. Hispanics, who now constitute about 38 percent of the Texas population, accounted for 65 percent of the state’s growth since 2000. By contrast, non-Hispanic whites grew just 4.2 percent.

Texas added nearly 1 million children under 18 in the past decade—and 95 percent of them were Hispanic. For the first time in Lone Star history, Hispanics make up the majority of the 4.9 million kids enrolled in Texas public schools, pre-kindergarten, and early childhood education.

What happens when those students reach voting age?

The answer: a Democratic electoral base that Republicans may not be able to overcome.

It is entirely possible that Texas could become a blue state by 2020, especially if the GOP continues to turn off Hispanics.

127 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:01:55pm

re: #110 Kragar

Our aim is to beat the Democrats, not beat a retreat to a Confederacy that Generals Grant and Sherman rent asunder well over a hundred years ago.

...And that's where the real problem is. This sports-team mentality that "we have to beat the other team!" Has nothing to do with ideas, policies, accomplishments, or being more inclusive. And the 2nd line...wtf is that all about? More butt-hurt the south lost the war //of aggression by the north?//

Weird.

128 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:02:23pm

re: #126 watching you tiny alien kittens are

We are not that far away anymore, Texas election results for 2012...

Mitt Romney/ Paul Ryan REP 4,555,857 57.20%
Barack Obama/ Joe Biden DEM 3,294,482 41.36%

While Texas demographics are changing rapidly...

It is entirely possible that Texas could become a blue state by 2020, especially if the GOP continues to turn off Hispanics.

If Texas becomes blue, they're fucked IMO.

129 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:03:22pm

re: #119 HappyWarrior

He's a convert. Convert's zeal and all.

Converts tend to actually follow church teachings. RC isn't big in to exorcisms, currently that's the realm of the charlatan-christian preacher (Visa, Mastercard, amex and PayPal accepted) --same with Creationisim.

I'm thinking he is pandering to the voters --which in LA, I would think would be heavily RC.

I still don't get it.

130 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:03:24pm

re: #127 Ghost of Tom Joad

...And that's where the real problem is. This sports-team mentality that "we have to beat the other team!" Has nothing to do with ideas, policies, accomplishments, or being more inclusive. And the 2nd line...wtf is that all about? More butt-hurt the south lost the war //of aggression by the north?//

Weird.

I think he's actually ripping on the Confederacy by touting big man ra ra alpha male dominance. Hard to say though... he is Southern.

131 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:03:55pm

re: #121 dragonath

It's just so wrong in so many ways. It's like saying people were on the right track in 15th century Spain because there were no regulations. They might have been creationists but they could enslave as many natives as they wanted!

Why do I now have Mel Brooks singing in my head?

132 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:04:33pm

re: #125 Obdicut

But they also came down strongly against reproductive rights for women.

Yes . . .

133 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:04:42pm

re: #129 Gretchen G.Tiger

Converts tend to actually follow church teachings. RC isn't big in to exorcisms, currently that's the realm of the charlatan-christian preacher (Visa, Mastercard, amex and PayPal accepted) --same with Creationisim.

I'm thinking he is pandering to the voters --which in LA, I would think would be heavily RC.

I still don't get it.

I don't know then. Hard guy to get down really since as pointed out, he's obviously an educated and smart guy. I think you may be on to something with the pandering.

134 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:05:25pm

re: #127 Ghost of Tom Joad

...And that's where the real problem is. This sports-team mentality that "we have to beat the other team!" Has nothing to do with ideas, policies, accomplishments, or being more inclusive. And the 2nd line...wtf is that all about? More butt-hurt the south lost the war //of aggression by the north?//

Weird.

US vs. THEM mentality.

So Cold War, last century stuff.

Conservatives are always the last to recognize change.

135 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:06:07pm
136 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:06:45pm

re: #131 Gretchen G.Tiger

Why do I now have Mel Brooks singing in my head?

The Inquistion, let's begin
The Inquistion, look out sin...

137 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:06:58pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

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That's awesome. lol

138 abolitionist  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:07:08pm

re: #93 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Total police dickishness...

Homeless man arrested for charging phone in park

So the cop arrests the guy for plugging a cell phone charger in to an outlet at a picnic shelter that is there so people can plug in radios, fans, P.A. systems, or anything they want to while using the shelter?

That cost the city what, maybe a nickel tops? How much did it cost the city to feed and supervise him overnight in jail? This is nothing but dickish harassment by a cop on a power trip.

And what might be the purpose of such electrical outlets in public parks? Electric hedge trimmers for the grounds keepers?

139 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:07:40pm

None of these peawits has thought secession through, it is just sign of a temper tantrum. They just do not want to have to fact up to the changes in policy and thinking that they will need to undertake to become relevant again nationally.

140 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:08:03pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

I don't know then. Hard guy to get down really since as pointed out, he's obviously an educated and smart guy. I think you may be on to something with the pandering.

Addiction of power and ego?

I keep forgetting, as well, how steeped in superstition Louisiana is. Catholicism was merged with native faiths and probably has some weird off shoots in that part of the world.

141 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:08:27pm

re: #138 abolitionist

And what might be the purpose of such electrical outlets in public parks? Electric hedge trimmers for the grounds keepers?

yep! Not for public use.

142 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:08:30pm

re: #133 HappyWarrior

I don't know then. Hard guy to get down really since as pointed out, he's obviously an educated and smart guy. I think you may be on to something with the pandering.

I think if he were pandering, he'd do it more intelligently.

143 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:08:52pm

re: #140 Gretchen G.Tiger

Addiction of power and ego?

I keep forgetting, as well, how steeped in superstition Louisiana is. Catholicism was merged with native faiths and probably has some weird off shoots in that part of the world.

I don't know. That's a good point about Louisiana's culture though.

144 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:08:54pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

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Yeah, but where do they go? Short of moving to the third world, they're pretty much in the last bastion of the "free market." They move to any other first world or even some second world countries and they're gonna find themselves living in "socialism."

145 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:08:56pm
146 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:09:19pm

re: #142 erik_t

I think if he were pandering, he'd do it more intelligently.

I don't know. Romney was the pander king and he came across as a complete nimwit to me.

147 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:09:43pm

re: #145 Lidane

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"I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes!"

148 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:09:45pm

re: #142 erik_t

I think if he were pandering, he'd do it more intelligently.

Well, Louisiana defies even Chicago-style political memes.

Remember, these are the citizens who re-elected Ray Nagin after Katrina.

149 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:10:31pm

re: #147 Targetpractice

"I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes!"

Obligatory:

150 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:10:35pm

re: #140 Gretchen G.Tiger

I dunno, I think the whole South is full of "weird offshoots". First time I went to a church down there my mouth was agape like the audience in Springtime for Hitler.

151 aagcobb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:10:37pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

A few wingnuts have told me that the key to GOP victory in the future is, essentially, to become the Libertarian party in all but name. One told me that the youth vote was all "energized" by Luap Nor, and if the GOP had nominated him, they'd surely have won.

Paul/Paul '16

152 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:12:21pm

GNASHING OF TEETH TO FOLLOW

153 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:12:24pm

But seriously, this whole Petraeus business is becoming less another run-of-the-mill D.C. sex scandal and more Lifetime's movie of the week.

154 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:12:49pm

re: #147 Targetpractice

"I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes!"

KEEP FIRING, ASSHOLES!

155 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:13:55pm

re: #152 Vicious Babushka

GNASHING OF TEETH TO FOLLOW

Damned Hindumuslatheist usurper.

/

156 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:14:01pm

re: #125 Obdicut

But they also came down strongly against reproductive rights for women.

Actually, the RC church is pretty strongly against reproductive rights period. Men and women. It's the role of women in the world and the church that has been the bane of females. Non-religious men are 2nd class citizens, women and nuns are third-class.

157 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:14:45pm

re: #150 dragonath

I dunno, I think the whole South is full of "weird offshoots". First time I went to a church down there my mouth was agape like the audience in Springtime for Hitler.

yeah, I know I don't belong there.

158 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:15:09pm

re: #153 Targetpractice

But seriously, this whole Petraeus business is becoming less another run-of-the-mill D.C. sex scandal and more Lifetime's movie of the week.

I thought it wasn't a lifetime movie of the week until some woman gets horribly abused or comes down with cancer...

159 blueraven  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:15:33pm

re: #110 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Erickson call out the Secessionists at Red State

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My biggest fear. We give the franchise to vote to far to many folks. I don't believe our forefathers ever meant the vote to be given to those who now have it. I don't mean minorities, I mean people without property or serious ties to a community. The 'moocher' class is growing every day. They have proven beyond ANY doubt they are utterly incapable of taking care of themselves by applying for Welfare, yet they are allowed to vote?
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walterclampspring mackd • 19 minutes ago

Yep. Pretty simple. Check your taxes when you come to vote. No pay, no play.

So there you go, if you cant afford property, you have no say.

160 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:15:50pm

re: #94 Obdicut

What the fuck?

What does creationism gain us? It weakens us. Hugely. Our country depends on success in science, Dark.

Your thinking is getting incredibly twisted.

This is actually a pretty standard right wing diversionary tactic when the subject of creationism comes up: pretend it's a minor unimportant issue that nobody really cares about.

Then they go back to working non-stop to sneak it into public schools.

161 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:15:55pm

re: #158 jamesfirecat

It sounds like people on Lifetime don't have very long ones...

162 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:16:12pm

re: #158 jamesfirecat

I thought it wasn't a lifetime movie of the week until some woman gets horribly abused or comes down with cancer...

Give it a couple days, we haven't reached the bottom of this particular rabbit hole yet.

163 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:17:02pm

re: #159 blueraven

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So there you go, if you cant afford property, you have no say.

Service guarantees Citizenship! Would you like to know more?

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164 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:17:08pm

re: #150 dragonath

That's my reaction in any Church. But, hey, as long as you keep it to yourself, you can be as religious as you want.

165 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:17:53pm

re: #158 jamesfirecat

I thought it wasn't a lifetime movie of the week until some woman gets horribly abused or comes down with cancer...

Forget Lifetime, I'm thinking Skinemax is going to try producing their first in house movie.

166 aagcobb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:18:50pm

re: #114 Lidane

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To discuss the Petreus scandal today, we have at our roundtable Elliot Spitzer, Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich. Let me ask each of you, why can't you guys keep your pants on?

167 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:19:34pm

re: #159 blueraven

Well, of course. If only landowners and taxpayers could vote then Romney would have won.

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Never mind the fact that restricting the vote to taxpayers would fuck over the GOP more than the Dems. Clearly only Democrats and/or moochers don't pay taxes.

168 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:19:44pm

re: #163 Targetpractice

Service guarantees Citizenship! Would you like to know more?

///

Still better than skin color or gender.

169 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:19:46pm

re: #115 Dark_Falcon

Thanks.

and now I have to sign off for a time. I've got an interview and need to get ready for it.

Good luck.

170 aagcobb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:19:52pm

re: #122 blueraven

Physician heal thyself.

Jindal is an educated man, a Rhodes Scholar for goodness sake. I can not understand his anti science rhetoric. Is he just pandering, or what?

Yes

171 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:19:59pm

re: #158 jamesfirecat

I thought it wasn't a lifetime movie of the week until some woman gets horribly abused or comes down with cancer...

I can't even pay attention to this soap opera.

It's like the lady astronaut wearing Depends story--just too way-over-the-top--for me.

Were we supossed to believe that the super-sekrit-all inclusive-most powerful chess players in the world with license to kill didn't have sexual desires? It's James Bond Stuff. I don't care.

172 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:20:23pm

re: #126 watching you tiny alien kittens are

We are not that far away anymore, Texas election results for 2012...

Mitt Romney/ Paul Ryan REP 4,555,857 57.20%
Barack Obama/ Joe Biden DEM 3,294,482 41.36%

While Texas demographics are changing rapidly...

It is entirely possible that Texas could become a blue state by 2020, especially if the GOP continues to turn off Hispanics.

Maybe, but I'm pessimistic enough that I envision a future where Rick Perry's disembodied head is serving its 37th term as Governor, being kept alive in a jar by technology developed by Ratheon and Lockheed-Martin.

173 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:21:07pm

Dope/Hemp still up.

[Link: www.dolekemp96.org...]

174 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:21:19pm

re: #163 Targetpractice

Service guarantees Citizenship! Would you like to know more?

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You've got to remember though that in Heinlein's book, it never stated military service, but also scientific and public works. It also was legally required that anyone seeking to volunteer had to be given a position. The testing was only to be used to see what jobs a person could do.

175 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:21:41pm

re: #159 blueraven

comment

So there you go, if you cant afford property, you have no say.

Ah, the "Rome wasn't a Democracy -it was a Republic meme".

worked out real well for them, didn't it?

Restore the Republic
Restore the Caliphate
Because we are too wimpy to "GO BOLDLY" into the future.

176 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:21:47pm

re: #167 Lidane

Among those who made enough to file a tax return, 35 percent did not have to pay federal income tax because of credits or deductions. Some of the highest percentages were in conservative states with high poverty rates.

Should post that over at RS.

177 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:21:54pm

re: #167 Lidane

Well, of course. If only landowners and taxpayers could vote.

Never mind the fact that restricting the vote to taxpayers would fuck over the GOP more than the Dems. Clearly only Democrats and/or moochers don't pay taxes.

Yep, disenfranchise the nonproperty owners and you'll turn most of the South blue come the next election.

178 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:22:27pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

This is actually a pretty standard right wing diversionary tactic when the subject of creationism comes up: pretend it's a minor unimportant issue that nobody really cares about.

Then they go back to working non-stop to sneak it into public schools.

Like Woman are distracted by s"mall shiny things?" Diamonds, baby tears and civi rights . . .

179 aagcobb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:22:49pm

re: #128 HappyWarrior

If Texas becomes blue, they're fucked IMO.

They are fucked already. A GOP that can't win Ohio and Florida can't win, with or without Texas. The GOP is where the Democrats were in 1988, except I don't know if they have a Bill Clinton to bring the center back to the party and wrest control of it from the crazies.

180 HappyWarrior  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:23:02pm

The more you hear them talk. Seems they want oligarchy more than actual representative government. It's not about freedom, it's about taking away someone's freedom for them. Pretty pathetic eh?

181 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:23:33pm

re: #174 Kragar

You've got to remember though that in Heinlein's book, it never stated military service, but also scientific and public works. It also was legally required that anyone seeking to volunteer had to be given a position. The testing was only to be used to see what jobs a person could do.

I know, which is what amuses me so much about those who watch the film and think "Yeah, that's what we need, compulsory military service!" Only a small fraction of those who signed up for service in the original novel ended up in the military, most went to other jobs, even as menial as janitors or secretaries.

182 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:23:49pm

re: #166 aagcobb

To discuss the Patreus scandal today, we have at our roundtable Elliot Spitzer, Bill Clinton and Newt Gingrich. Let me ask each of you, why can't you guys keep your pants on?

183 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:25:46pm

re: #173 darthstar

Dope/Hemp still up.

[Link: www.dolekemp96.org...]

I just showed the source code for this to our UI developer...he was 10 when it was put up sixteen years ago...He said, "What the fuck is that?"

184 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:26:26pm

re: #176 Ghost of Tom Joad

Should post that over at RS.

Can't possibly be right. The data collectors are obviously part of the great Soros-UN-take-your-guns-away Cartel. They sckewed the results. I'm sure Fox News will have the REAL numbers tonite.

*spit*

185 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:26:26pm

re: #182 Lidane

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186 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:28:00pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

When does Anthony Weiner weigh in?

//

They'll bring him in the middle of the discussion "And now, via twitter, we have Anthony Weiner joining us. And don't worry folks, we're on a 10-second delay."

187 EPR-radar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:29:12pm

re: #160 Charles Johnson

This is actually a pretty standard right wing diversionary tactic when the subject of creationism comes up: pretend it's a minor unimportant issue that nobody really cares about.

Then they go back to working non-stop to sneak it into public schools.

Creationism is at least a win-win-win for the conservative movement:

1) Creationists and stealth creationists in local and school board races turn out the crazy and can easily get elected in low-turnout elections.

2) If the educational system is gummed up by creationists, that contributes to breaking it, thereby providing political cover for gutting public education (vouchers etc).

3) Republican politics is easier to sell in a nation devoid of critical thinking. Creationism is a useful contribution to overall stupidity in the electorate.

Jindal is probably not himself a creationist. However, he finds it politically useful.

188 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:29:24pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

The more you hear them talk. Seems they want oligarchy more than actual representative government. It's not about freedom, it's about taking away someone's freedom for them. Pretty pathetic eh?

The so-called capitalists who will tell you that there is no 'Pie". The idea of there not being enough to go around is "insane". It's not a matter of taking from one person and giving to another --it's not necessary, we can create opportunity for all to have everything. CERTAINLY ARE NOT ACTING LIKE IT.

They are very worried about competition --from the groups they have traditionally been able to regulate out-of-the-competition.

189 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:30:29pm

re: #183 darthstar

I just showed the source code for this to our UI developer...he was 10 when it was put up sixteen years ago...He said, "What the fuck is that?"

<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Microsoft FrontPage 6.0" >

Nightmares. Nightmares for days.

190 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:32:36pm
191 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:32:59pm
192 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:33:07pm

re: #187 EPR-radar

Actually, Jindal is a devout fundamentalist Christian with many alliances with extreme religious right groups; I think he probably is a creationist himself.

193 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:33:41pm

While we are talking about bronze age religious beliefs...

21 Demon Test Questions

Do you have a demon? Take this short quiz to find out if you are at risk.

1) Do you sometimes exhibit uncontrollable outbursts of anger or violence?
2) Have you experimented with two or more forms of the occult?
3) Have you been sexually violated (raped, incested, molested)?
4) Do you sometimes manifest behavior not consistent with your normal personality?
5) Do you abuse alcohol or drugs to escape painful past experiences in life?
6) Do you commit immoral or illegal acts, contrary to your customary values?
7) Have you ever attempted or contemplated suicide?
8) Are you sometimes overwhelmed with feelings of severe depression and hopelessness?
9) Do you indulge in self-abusive behavior such as anorexia, bulimia, cutting or self-mutilation?
10) Have you experienced life-changing trauma from which you haven't recovered?
11) Do you know of ancestors who committed murder, suicide, or sexual perversion?
12) Do voices tell you to commit illegal acts, blaspheme God, or indulge in immoral acts?
13) Have you asked Satan to take your life in exchange for something?
14) Do you live a fear-based life resulting in paranoia or multiple phobias?
15) Have you experienced emotional or physical abuse from your biological parents?
16) Have you been emotionally or physically abandoned by either biological parent?
17) Have you felt repeated, disabling episodes of rejection or depression?
18) Have you failed repeatedly in significant relationships?
19) Have you failed to experience trust and lasting love from a significant other?
20) Do you consistently experience serious health or financial issues?
21) Are you significantly hindered in prayer, worship, Bible reading and church attendance?

Luckily for you if you answered yes to any of the above you can get personal counseling with Pastor Bob Larson at one of his many on-the-road seminars. For your convenience they accept all major credit cards. ;)

///

194 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:34:02pm
195 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:34:15pm

re: #189 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Nightmares. Nightmares for days.

Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

(Microsoft probably figured out a way to put a GOTO into a damned html file)

196 EPR-radar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:34:44pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

The more you hear them talk. Seems they want oligarchy more than actual representative government. It's not about freedom, it's about taking away someone's freedom for them. Pretty pathetic eh?

Of course. Right wing ideology has always and everywhere been about supporting some version of aristocracy. US wingnuts of the 21st century view the "job creators" as the aristocrats.

197 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:35:04pm

re: #179 aagcobb

The GOP is where the Democrats were in 1988, except I don't know if they have a Bill Clinton to bring the center back to the party and wrest control of it from the crazies.

They don't have anyone like that right now.

The closest they might have had was Huntsman and he got ignored in the primaries despite all his socially conservative stances and his pandering to the GOP base's economic illiteracy. There's also Chris Christie, but after he heaped praise on Obama during Sandy, he's persona non grata for the wingnuts.

198 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:35:20pm

Jindal calling Republicans stupid...that has to hurt.

199 simoom  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:36:11pm

Some push-back on Gen. Allen from a background attributed "senior official":

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

The Pentagon did not address the nature of Kelley’s alleged relationship with Allen. But another senior U.S. official, who is close to Allen, strongly denied that the general and Kelley had an affair or engaged in inappropriate communication. Allen and Kelley, who threw parties and other social events involving senior leaders at the Central Command, did exchange “a few hundred e-mails over a couple of years,” beginning when Allen was the deputy commander at the Central Command, this senior official said. But “most of them were about routine stuff.”

“He’s never been alone with her,” the senior official said. “Did he have an affair? No.”

The senior official also emphasized that the volume of communications between the two “was nowhere near” 20,000 to 30,000 personal messages. The official said the high page count reported by the FBI may have been the result of printing numerous individual messages that contained lengthy threads of earlier exchanges.

The senior official said Allen received at least one e-mail about Kelley from an unidentified account that eventually was traced to Paula Broadwell, a former Army officer who was Petraeus’s biographer and, it turns out, his mistress.

Allen discussed that e-mail with Kelley, who was receiving a slew of harassing messages at the time, the senior official who is close to Allen said. Kelley, who did not know the messages were being sent by Broadwell, notified the FBI.

Some of the e-mails may have prompted suspicions among FBI investigators because Allen sometimes used words such as “sweetheart” to refer to her, the senior official said. But the official added that Allen, who was raised in Virginia, employed that language as a term of platonic friendship, not romantic interest.

The senior official described Kathy Allen, the general’s wife, and Kelley as “good friends.”

“He’s embarrassed by this,” the senior official said. “But there’s no there there.”

200 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:36:27pm

re: #179 aagcobb

The GOP is where the Democrats were in 1988, except I don't know if they have a Bill Clinton to bring the center back to the party and wrest control of it from the crazies.

The Democrats had the additional benefit of being able to retool during the post-Cold War upheaval.

What major geopolitical event will allow the GOP to moderate?

201 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:36:50pm

re: #190 Gretchen G.Tiger

Carlin? or is it misattributed?

It's on his quote lists, I just don't remember when he said it.

202 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:37:30pm

re: #200 erik_t

The Democrats had the additional benefit of being able to retool during the post-Cold War upheaval.

What major geopolitical event will allow the GOP to moderate?

The Mayans being right?

203 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:38:49pm
204 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:39:10pm

LOLWUT:

205 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:39:51pm

re: #193 watching you tiny alien kittens are

While we are talking about bronze age religious beliefs...

Luckily for you if you answered yes to any of the above you can get personal counseling with Pastor Bob Larson at one of his many on-the-road seminars. For your convenience they accept all major credit cards. ;)

///

tax this shit.

206 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:41:28pm

re: #199 simoom

Some push-back on Gen. Allen from a background attributed "senior official":

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

...

207 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:42:10pm

Think about it, secessionists...these are the things you will be responsible for recreating from scratch should we be so kind as to let you have your wish:
Medicare (you know you don't want to secede from that!)
Social Security (ditto)
All of those military bases (Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard) that currently employ a good number of you and support their surrounding communities.
Your own currency...but even your current Governor (and rally secessionist) Rick Perry won't want his face on your 3 Armadillo Bill (sorry, the 'dollar' is taken)
Border enforcement - say good-bye to your existing Boder Patrol. For Texas, they'll be just north of you in Oklahoma keeping your fat asses from riding your Lark scooters around the fence.
EPA - oh, you don't care about that...drill baby drill.
and oh, so much more...

208 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:43:27pm

re: #127 Ghost of Tom Joad

...And that's where the real problem is. This sports-team mentality that "we have to beat the other team!" Has nothing to do with ideas, policies, accomplishments, or being more inclusive. And the 2nd line...wtf is that all about? More butt-hurt the south lost the war //of aggression by the north?//

Weird.

Grant and Sherman did use scorched earth tactics and region dividing offensives to win the Civil War. The paragraph did not seem Neo-Confederate to me.

209 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:45:08pm

re: #204 Lidane

LOLWUT:

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210 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:45:31pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

Grant and Sherman did use scorched earth tactics and region dividing offensives to win the Civil War. The paragraph did not seem Neo-Confederate to me.

Dark, can you explain how there are any gains from creationism? Don't you think creationism weakens the country?

211 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:45:45pm

re: #207 darthstar

None of these idiots has thought secession through, itis jut a temper tantrum.

212 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:46:25pm

For those who want to check out the Dole/Kemp website but cannot because the poor server is on fire, use the gutsy tubes of the wayback machine.

213 Ming  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:47:21pm

From http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2012/07/bobby_jindal_possible_vice_presidential_pick_but_has_a_creationism_problem_.html

"Jindal has an elite résumé. He was a biology major at my school, Brown University, and a Rhodes scholar. He knows the science, or at least he ought to. But in his rise to prominence in Louisiana, he made a bargain with the religious right and compromised science and science education for the children of his state."

214 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:47:58pm

re: #206 wrenchwench

Yes. Yes it is a love Pentagon:

[Link: twitpic.com...]

215 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:49:11pm

re: #210 Obdicut

Dark, can you explain how there are any gains from creationism? Don't you think creationism weakens the country?

Creationism doesn't supply gains, I meant that Jindal does other things better enough that the cost of creationism is off set.

216 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:49:21pm

re: #211 Sol Berdinowitz

None of these idiots has thought secession through, itis jut a temper tantrum.

To be fair, the original Confederacy didn't think secession through either.

217 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:49:53pm

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

Creationism doesn't supply gains, I meant that Jindal does other things better enough that the cost of creationism is off set.

That's just it-- there is no offset for creationism. It is directly harmful to the future of this country and our education.

218 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:50:23pm

re: #207 darthstar

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Think about it, secessionists...these are the things you will be responsible for recreating from scratch should we be so kind as to let you have your wish:
Medicare (you know you don't want to secede from that!)
Social Security (ditto)
All of those military bases (Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard) that currently employ a good number of you and support their surrounding communities.
Your own currency...but even your current Governor (and rally secessionist) Rick Perry won't want his face on your 3 Armadillo Bill (sorry, the 'dollar' is taken)
Border enforcement - say good-bye to your existing Boder Patrol. For Texas, they'll be just north of you in Oklahoma keeping your fat asses from riding your Lark scooters around the fence.
EPA - oh, you don't care about that...drill baby drill.
and oh, so much more...

Good luck keeping your business supplies and consumer goods stocked.

219 abolitionist  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:50:54pm

re: #211 Sol Berdinowitz

None of these idiots has thought secession through, itis jut a temper tantrum.

I think the fictional Rett Butler said something similar.

220 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:51:14pm

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

Creationism doesn't supply gains, I meant that Jindal does other things better enough that the cost of creationism is off set.

Such as?

How do you feel about his massive cuts to the state higher education budget?

221 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:51:15pm

re: #214 Lidane

Yes. Yes it is a love Pentagon:

[Link: twitpic.com...]

From 12 hours earlier! Twitter would be pretty quiet if it weren't for plagiarism, accidental and otherwise.

222 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:51:49pm

21 Demon Test Questions

apparently we are studying theology at b-movies and slasher flicks these days

223 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:52:51pm

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

Creationism doesn't supply gains, I meant that Jindal does other things better enough that the cost of creationism is off set.

Intellectually abusing children by teaching them creationism doesn't get a pass.

224 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:52:57pm

re: #138 abolitionist

And what might be the purpose of such electrical outlets in public parks? Electric hedge trimmers for the grounds keepers?

Not disagreeing with the policeman in question being a dick, however people/groups using park shelters in many places usually need to make reservations and pay a rental fee to use them.

225 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:53:07pm

Yes, Dick, this makes you look so much better.

226 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:53:12pm

re: #11 Ghost of Tom Joad

Sounds like Bobby is trying to throw his hat into the ring for a run in the next Presidential primary.

I think he may be too short.

227 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:54:21pm

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

Creationism doesn't supply gains, I meant that Jindal does other things better enough that the cost of creationism is off set.

What other things? You've read Reine's research on the gimmicks he's using to try to balance the budget, and his closed-off, insular, nepotistic style of governance. So what are the positives you see?

And if you agree creationism weakens the country, how can you think it's a small thing? Creationism and associated anti-science lunacy is one of the main reasons why we're paralyzed in fighting climate change. You know that climate change is no small thing.

Even if climate change weren't occurring, how is the miseducation of Americans not a big deal? How is losing our scientific edge not worrying?

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:54:45pm

re: #44 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

Would Huck be willing to be 2nd fiddle to a woman?

Well, according to Bryan Fischer, that could be OK, as long as the woman is called by God.

229 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:54:50pm

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

Creationism doesn't supply gains, I meant that Jindal does other things better enough that the cost of creationism is off set.

Ignorance make slaves. Works well for those who want to be a god.

230 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:55:47pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Not in my eyes. Creationism is but a small loss compared to the gains.

Sorry, bro', you know I love you but you could not be more wrong this time.
Creationism is dangerous in many ways, but the most dangerous might be what critical analysts call "assumption of the consequent," that is, "If this is true, what else could be true?"
Creationism necessarily postulates a massive conspiracy of fraud by the global scientific community. Teaching creationism gives the state's approval to at least the possibility of such a conspiracy. What would be the result of this belief? An example: In my experience almost every health supplement quack is a creationist of one kind or another. Some adhere to exotic New Age forms of creationism, but a rejection of biological and medical findings is at the heart of their claims, and attacking the very basis of those sciences is apparently a good way to accomplish that. It is the same with global climate change and vaccination and a host of other basically scientific issues that make it into the public realm. If the scientific enterprise, and the scientific community in general, are guilty of massive, worldwide fraud in terms of the history of the Earth, why trust them in other areas?
We see this in fundamentalist circles, where there are already people who reject the heliocentric model of the solar system, the vast distances of the universe, and a host of other basic facts. The findings of scientists mean nothing to these fundamentalists, since the fundamentalist belief in creationism convinces them that scientists are just organized liars and monsters whose ideas spring from "the pit of hell."
Creationism in education is the wedge issue that will open the door to a hellish world of pseudoscience and superstition.

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:56:02pm

re: #64 Ghost of Tom Joad

People won't care about it if he doesn't make it an issue, no matter what he believes. Just like Romney did with his Mormonism.

But if he pulls a Mourdock/Akin and blurts out stupid things about exorcisms or some such other shit during a national race, he's done.

The exorcism thing was just weird. That's not normal Catholic behavior.

232 BeenHereAwhile  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:57:35pm

re: #93 watching you tiny alien kittens are

Total police dickishness...

Homeless man arrested for charging phone in park

So the cop arrests the guy for plugging a cell phone charger in to an outlet at a picnic shelter that is there so people can plug in radios, fans, P.A. systems, or anything they want to while using the shelter?

That cost the city what, maybe a nickel tops? How much did it cost the city to feed and supervise him overnight in jail? This is nothing but dickish harassment by a cop on a power trip.

Cost of housing a non-violent offender in a municipal jail, runs between $43.00 - $55.00 per-diem.

233 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:57:51pm

re: #218 Kragar

And your money --is it all contained within the borders of Texas? Those country-to-country transfer fees are something to think about. The exchange rate--every time you pay your Visa Bill or Car Payment --WOW!

234 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:58:36pm

re: #225 Four More Tears

Yes, Dick, this makes you look so much better.

Dick Morris admits he predicted a landslide so he could help Mitt Romney win...

Cheerleaders don't get up and shout "our team has only a one-in-three chance of winning this game!"

This was the problem when Karl Rove came out and criticized Christine O'Donnel as being "unelectable". he had to walk it back, although it was true, because the GOP would have hung her loss on his statement and not on her unsuitability for public office.

But cheerleaders at least wear short skirts and smile nicely...

235 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:58:56pm

omg

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

236 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:59:05pm

re: #180 HappyWarrior

The more you hear them talk. Seems they want oligarchy more than actual representative government. It's not about freedom, it's about taking away someone's freedom for them. Pretty pathetic eh?

They no longer clearly own the patronage and control of the pie and the playground. So throw a tantrum and try to change the rules. Luckily, our system has some relief vents that hopefully will remain functional and prevent a catastrophic breakdown from occurring. That would would be fun for anyone, including the rich (much as they may be able to initially avoid it.) Though a lot of people who thought they are part of the elect would quickly find out where they stand in the hierarchy once it comes down to it.

237 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:59:21pm

re: #225 Four More Tears

Yes, Dick, this makes you look so much better.

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Dick Morris thinks he, single-handedly, can create a self-fulfilling prophecy?

That is like --(my word for the day) pathological.

238 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 12:59:33pm

re: #207 darthstar

Well it wouldn't be the first time in this country a group of people cut their noses to spite their face.

I don't remember people being so openly retarded as to sign a goddamn form petition for secession back in 2004 though.

239 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:00:03pm

re: #228 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, according to Bryan Fischer, that could be OK, as long as the woman is called by God.

And has a strong husband, like Marcus Bachmann.

240 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:00:05pm

Well, nice to see that some people don't have an overinflated sense of importance...

Limbaugh: ‘I am the primary reason’ Mitt Romney lost

“There are others, but I’m the primary reason the Republican Party lost,” he added. “And I am, by the way, the primary reason the Republican Party will keep losing, until I am denounced by the Republican Party.”

The longtime radio talker explained that the GOP’s “ruling class” now believes their only shot at winning future presidential elections is to appeal to Latino voters as much as possible despite his wishes, which he claimed to be representative of what he called the “country class.”

“Do you really think that the democrat party will ever allow you Republicans to be seen as pro-Latino and pro-immigration?” Limbaugh asked. “If you do, you are incompetent and unqualified.” He added: “The media and the Democrats will always find a way to say that you are anti-immigrant.”

Of course, in order for the media or Democrats to accomplish that, all they’d have to do is play some of Limbaugh’s old clips.

241 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:00:25pm

re: #230 Shiplord Kirel

An example: In my experience almost every health supplement quack is a creationist of one kind or another. Some adhere to exotic New Age forms of creationism, but a rejection of biological and medical findings is at the heart of their claims, and attacking the very basis of those sciences is apparently a good way to accomplish that.

I found out yesterday that my boss's wife is now convinced that sugar is poisonous. Sugar. Both super duper evangelicals, of course.

One wonders how the Jesusfied Krebs Cycle works.

242 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:01:29pm

re: #227 Obdicut

What other things? You've read Reine's research on the gimmicks he's using to try to balance the budget, and his closed-off, insular, nepotistic style of governance. So what are the positives you see?

And if you agree creationism weakens the country, how can you think it's a small thing? Creationism and associated anti-science lunacy is one of the main reasons why we're paralyzed in fighting climate change. You know that climate change is no small thing.

Even if climate change weren't occurring, how is the miseducation of Americans not a big deal? How is losing our scientific edge not worrying?

I've given-up. Frontal lobes not completely formed--not able to think philosophically. I don't know. I don't see a lot of room for intellectual growth here. Just someone able to rearrange and regurgitate.

243 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:01:36pm

re: #240 Kragar

Well, nice to see that some people don't have an overinflated sense of importance...

Limbaugh: ‘I am the primary reason’ Mitt Romney lost

First Erick son of Erick, now Rush himself!?

Mayans.

244 Inconsequential Consequence  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:02:02pm

re: #225 Four More Tears

Yes, Dick, this makes you look so much better.

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Let me see:
1. Tell the masses that Romney is on a landslide winning track -> they're likely to stay home instead of vote.

2. Tell the masses Romney is just edging Obama and will win if the vote gets out -> they'll be energized to hit the voter lines.

And this fount of rwnj common sense picked the first option.

Brilliant!

245 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:02:13pm

re: #242 Gretchen G.Tiger

I've given-up. Frontal lobes not completely formed--not able to think philosophically. I don't know. I don't see a lot of room for intellectual growth here. Just someone able to rearrange and regurgitate.

I lack the 'give up' gene.

246 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:02:32pm

re: #240 Kragar

Well, nice to see that some people don't have an overinflated sense of importance...

Limbaugh: ‘I am the primary reason’ Mitt Romney lost

Donald Trump begs to disagree.

247 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:02:46pm

re: #207 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Think about it, secessionists...these are the things you will be responsible for recreating from scratch should we be so kind as to let you have your wish:
Medicare (you know you don't want to secede from that!)
Social Security (ditto)
All of those military bases (Army, Navy, Air Force, Coast Guard) that currently employ a good number of you and support their surrounding communities.
Your own currency...but even your current Governor (and rally secessionist) Rick Perry won't want his face on your 3 Armadillo Bill (sorry, the 'dollar' is taken)
Border enforcement - say good-bye to your existing Boder Patrol. For Texas, they'll be just north of you in Oklahoma keeping your fat asses from riding your Lark scooters around the fence.
EPA - oh, you don't care about that...drill baby drill.
and oh, so much more...

And they will need to recreate their version of FEMA once the first Gulf Coast hurricane comes to visit.

248 Inconsequential Consequence  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:02:57pm

re: #228 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, according to Bryan Fischer, that could be OK, as long as the woman is called by God.

When god calls women, does he sound like Barry White?

249 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:03:20pm

re: #234 Sol Berdinowitz

Cheerleaders don't get up and shout "our team has only a one-in-three chance of winning this game!"

This was the problem when Karl Rove came out and criticized Christine O'Donnel as being "unelectable". he had to walk it back, although it was true, because the GOP would have hung her loss on his statement and not on her unsuitability for public office.

But cheerleaders at least wear short skirts and smile nicely...

But the problem is that they trotted Rove out as an analyst, and then screamed when he gave them well-thought out analysis. Then the next time Rove gives them what they want to hear and now they're screaming again.

It's not mostly Karl Rove's fault, but he should have stuck with the facts and accepted dismissal for speaking them rather than burn his credibility on a pyre of Burning Stupid.

250 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:03:44pm

re: #230 Shiplord Kirel

Just replying to say great post.

251 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:03:52pm

re: #214 Lidane

Yes. Yes it is a love Pentagon:

[Link: twitpic.com...]

How soon until Gavin McLeod and Gopher put in an appearance?
/

252 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:04:02pm

Someone should post a comment on a right wing blog to the effect of:

If you sign the secession petition Obama has your personal information forever and he's gonna send you to Guantanamo!!

Fox might pick it up or something.

253 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:04:09pm

Here is the deal --

If Jindal were to suddenly pander to the Flat-Earth Society and declare Galileo a tool of the devil, would that be a small shiny thing that is just mean to distract the voters?

Because that is EXACTLY what teaching Creationism is.

It is denial of reality because it doesn't fit the needs of those in power.

254 EPR-radar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:04:16pm

re: #230 Shiplord Kirel

Sorry, bro', you know I love you but you could not be more wrong this time.
Creationism is dangerous in many ways, but the most dangerous might be what critical analysts call "assumption of the consequent," that is, "If this is true, what else could be true?"
Creationism necessarily postulates a massive conspiracy of fraud by the global scientific community. Teaching creationism gives the state's approval to at least the possibility of such a conspiracy. What would be the result of this belief? An example: In my experience almost every health supplement quack is a creationist of one kind or another. Some adhere to exotic New Age forms of creationism, but a rejection of biological and medical findings is at the heart of their claims, and attacking the very basis of those sciences is apparently a good way to accomplish that. It is the same with global climate change and vaccination and a host of other basically scientific issues that make it into the public realm. If the scientific enterprise, and the scientific community in general, are guilty of massive, worldwide fraud in terms of the history of the Earth, why trust them in other areas?
We see this in fundamentalist circles, where there are already people who reject the heliocentric model of the solar system, the vast distances of the universe, and a host of other basic facts. The findings of scientists mean nothing to these fundamentalists, since the fundamentalist belief in creationism convinces them that scientists are just organized liars and monsters whose ideas spring from "the pit of hell."
Creationism in education is the wedge issue that will open the door to a hellish world of pseudoscience and superstition.

Exactly. Creationism is the tip of the spear for undoing the scientific revolution and the enlightenment.

255 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:04:48pm

re: #243 erik_t

First Erick son of Erick, now Rush himself!?

Mayans.

Yes, the earth doesn't revolve around the sun. The sun revolves around Rush Limbaugh.

*spit*

256 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:04:52pm

re: #233 Gretchen G.Tiger

And your money --is it all contained within the borders of Texas? Those country-to-country transfer fees are something to think about. The exchange rate--every time you pay your Visa Bill or Car Payment --WOW!

You want to call your shipping company one state over? That is in another country now, have fun getting worker visas, import/export licenses, paying tariffs.

Farmers, sorry, but you seceded from the country providing the National Weather Service and satellite coverage, as well as those farm subsidies you were getting.

Have a good time.

257 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:05:12pm

re: #245 Obdicut

I lack the 'give up' gene.

You are a better man than me, Charlie Brown.

258 Inconsequential Consequence  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:05:33pm

re: #232 BeenHereAwhile

Cost of housing a non-violent offender in a municipal jail, runs between $43.00 - $55.00 per-diem.

Maybe 'charging his phone' is a euphemism for something else?

259 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:05:34pm

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

But the problem is that they trotted Rove out as an analyst, and then screamed when he gave them well-thought out analysis. Then the next time Rove gives them what they want to hear and now they're screaming again.

It's not mostly Karl Rove's fault, but he should have stuck with the facts and accepted dismissal for speaking them rather than burn his credibility on a pyre of Burning Stupid.

They have a way of requesting analysis and then shouting it down when it conflicts with their ideology. But that walk-back over Christine the Delaware Witch really showed how the rational analytical thinkers of the GOP had been overridden by a bunch of hags on broomsticks...

260 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:05:47pm

re: #248 b_Snark

When god calls women, does he sound like Barry White?

ROTFLAMO!!!! I really needed that!

261 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:05:56pm

re: #255 Gretchen G.Tiger

Yes, the earth doesn't revolve around the sun. The sun revolves around Rush Limbaugh.

*spit*

Rush thinks the sun shines out of his ass.

262 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:06:03pm

re: #255 Gretchen G.Tiger

Yes, the earth doesn't revolve around the sun. The sun revolves around Rush Limbaugh.

*spit*

Well, he is kind of right. The GOP won't win until they reject Rush and what he stands for.

263 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:06:04pm

I'm going to interpret this as saying that we're about to enter a new era of prosperity...

264 A Mom Anon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:06:12pm

re: #129 Gretchen G.Tiger

I honestly think alot of this is fear of the hard right and the tea party. I would not be at all surprised to hear that the wingnuts have threatened more than one politician they thought or think will not spout the base's wishes. It's the only thing that makes sense, to me at least. There is no way in hell, with the way these jackasses behave, that I believe they don't throw crap at their own.

265 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:06:37pm

re: #243 erik_t

First Erick son of Erick, now Rush himself!?

Mayans.

Rush wasn't that self aware. He was mocking people who were blaming him.

266 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:07:14pm

re: #241 erik_t

I found out yesterday that my boss's wife is now convinced that sugar is poisonous. Sugar. Both super duper evangelicals, of course.

One wonders how the Jesusfied Krebs Cycle works.

That's not just evangelicals. One of my best friend's mother and sister are in the "processed sugar is poison" camp and think it caused by friend's father's colon cancer. Devout RCs.

267 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:07:22pm

re: #262 erik_t

Well, he is kind of right. The GOP won't win until they reject Rush and what he stands for.

He is all but challenging them to do just that. Remember what happened to Michael Steele when he dared criticize the Rush for being a bigoted dickhead?

268 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:08:10pm

re: #262 erik_t

Well, he is kind of right. The GOP won't win until they reject Rush and what he stands for.

*ding*

WE HAVE A WINNER

Concise and completely true.

269 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:08:22pm

re: #266 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

That's not just evangelicals. One of my best friend's mother and sister are in the "processed sugar is poison" camp and think it caused by friend's father's colon cancer. Devout RCs.

It wouldn't be so terrible if people stopped eating processed sugar and HFCS.

It's just very hard to do that because HFCS is in every-fucking-thing.

270 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:08:22pm

re: #240 Kragar

Well, nice to see that some people don't have an overinflated sense of importance...

Limbaugh: ‘I am the primary reason’ Mitt Romney lost

FUCK YOU, RUSH, FUCK YOU WITH A RUSTY ICEPICK!

Sorry, but my anger at that douche canoe reached critical mass.

271 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:09:16pm

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

FUCK YOU, RUSH, FUCK YOU WITH A RUSTY ICEPICK!

Sorry, but my anger at that douche canoe reached critical mass.

good, it might actually help you.

272 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:09:16pm

re: #266 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

That's not just evangelicals. One of my best friend's mother and sister are in the "processed sugar is poison" camp and think it caused by friend's father's colon cancer. Devout RCs.

Sugar is fine, its corn syrup which is fucking murder.

273 Inconsequential Consequence  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:09:25pm

re: #253 Gretchen G.Tiger

Here is the deal --

If Jindal were to suddenly pander to the Flat-Earth Society and declare Galileo a tool of the devil, would that be a small shiny thing that is just mean to distract the voters?

Because that is EXACTLY what teaching Creationism is.

It is denial of reality because it doesn't fit the needs of those in power.

You are so r.. squirrel!

274 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:09:41pm

re: #269 Vicious Babushka

It wouldn't be so terrible if people stopped eating processed sugar and HFCS.

Not completely --say you don't mean THAT!!!!!

:)

275 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:09:52pm

re: #251 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

How soon until Gavin McLeod and Gopher put in an appearance?
/

The Pentagon sent Mcleod overseas to find an Arab immortal suspected of working with Al Qaeda.

/There can be only one. :)

276 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:10:37pm

re: #266 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

That's not just evangelicals. One of my best friend's mother and sister are in the "processed sugar is poison" camp and think it caused by friend's father's colon cancer. Devout RCs.

Not processed. All sugar, she says.

I excused myself from the conversation at that point.

277 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:11:23pm

re: #275 Dark_Falcon

The Pentagon sent Mcleod overseas to find an Arab immortal suspected of working with Al Qaeda.

/There can be only one. :)

GAVIN! NOT CONNOR OR DUNCAN, YOU FOOL!

278 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:11:35pm

re: #266 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

That's not just evangelicals. One of my best friend's mother and sister are in the "processed sugar is poison" camp and think it caused by friend's father's colon cancer. Devout RCs.

Oddly enough, Mother Jones is actually running a cover article along those lines right now.

In fact, a growing body of research suggests that sugar and its nearly chemically identical cousin, HFCS, may very well cause diseases that kill hundreds of thousands of Americans every year, and that these chronic conditions would be far less prevalent if we significantly dialed back our consumption of added sugars.

Well, added sugars. But I'd guess fundies aren't the biggest fans of nuance.

279 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:11:45pm

re: #274 Gretchen G.Tiger

Not completely --say you don't mean THAT!!!!!

:)

This could be the most horrible thing yet caused by climate change.

280 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:12:23pm

re: #276 erik_t

Not processed. All sugar, she says.

I excused myself from the conversation at that point.

I have avoided these conversations as well. Also give my friend "the look" indicating "you know this is complete BS, do you not?" He is pretty much keeping silent in order to maintain peace with his parents and siblings.

281 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:12:43pm

re: #279 Vicious Babushka

This could be the most horrible thing yet caused by climate change.

I'll see that (which is bad enough) and raise you...

Coffee beans in danger of extinction

A cup of morning coffee could be much harder to find, and much more expensive, before the century is out thanks to climate change and the possible extinction of wild Arabica beans.

282 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:13:17pm

re: #280 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

I have avoided these conversations as well. Also give my friend "the look" indicating "you know this is complete BS, do you not?" He is pretty much keeping silent in order to maintain peace with his parents and siblings.

I know that look.

Image: disgusted_cat.jpg

283 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:13:27pm

re: #279 Vicious Babushka

This could be the most horrible thing yet caused by climate change.

YES, someone posted that on my fb yesterday.

the HORROR!!!

284 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:13:46pm

Lee Atwater on how to win the racist vote without sounding too racist... (Lots of ni-CLANGs in there, so probably NSFW)

285 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:13:54pm

re: #281 Interesting Times

I'll see that (which is bad enough) and raise you...

Coffee beans in danger of extinction

that too!

I can't think about that

*shiver*

286 Interesting Times  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:14:02pm

re: #270 Dark_Falcon

FUCK YOU, RUSH, FUCK YOU WITH A RUSTY ICEPICK!

Sorry, but my anger at that douche canoe reached critical mass.

Then please for-the-love-of-all-that's-holy stop posting garbage from his flack Mark Steyn.

287 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:14:04pm

re: #257 Gretchen G.Tiger

You are a better man than me, Charlie Brown.

288 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:15:27pm

re: #277 Kragar

GAVIN! NOT CONNOR OR DUNCAN, YOU FOOL!

He's the grandson of one of those two, or so I'm told.

///

289 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:15:57pm

re: #278 dragonath

Oddly enough, Mother Jones is actually running a cover article along those lines right now.

Well, added sugars. But I'd guess fundies aren't the biggest fans of nuance.

I think additives and the American diet need research and education regarding them. And I do a lot of my own cooking in order to be able to have greater control. However, you quickly then run into the vast gray area of drawing the lines regarding choice, marketing, health care, the nanny state, etc.

Education is the key. But that in itself is also fighting all sorts of hard-wired reactions we have evolved to have. We *like* the taste, textures, etc. of fat, sugar, etc. since that indicated finding good foods to support a hunter/gatherer lifestyle.

290 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:16:12pm

re: #288 Dark_Falcon

He's the grandson of one of those two, or so I'm told.

///

Immortals can't have children!

And if you want to talk to me about "The source"... ohh you better not want to to talk to me about The Source...

291 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:16:25pm

re: #288 Dark_Falcon

He's the grandson of one of those two, or so I'm told.

///

Lies, they can't have kids.

292 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:17:09pm

re: #225 Four More Tears

Yes, Dick, this makes you look so much better.

What a lunatic. RT @politicalwire: Dick Morris admits he predicted a landslide so he could help Mitt Romney win... pwire.at/X4BUW8

Bullshit, he just thinks it makes him look like less of a delusional idiot, this way he gets to say was a true patriot to the GOP who was willing to damage his reputation for the good of the party. Thereby hopefully instantly restoring his rep with the base if not boosting it.

He isn't smart enough to think of this on his own but he didn't have to, I have seen that "theory" and some similar ones about other pundits floated on wingnut sites already.

293 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:17:41pm

re: #291 Kragar

Lies, they can't have kids.

That's just what their propaganda told you so you won't go looking for them.
/

294 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:17:52pm

re: #290 jamesfirecat

Immortals can't have children!

And if you want to talk to me about "The source"... ohh you better not want to to talk to me about The Source...

I know all about the Source.

295 BeenHereAwhile  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:19:38pm

re: #148 Gretchen G.Tiger

Well, Louisiana defies even Chicago-style political memes.

Remember, these are the citizens who re-elected Ray Nagin after Katrina.

My YAT father told me that Edwin Edwards (who served 4 terms as governor of Louisiana before being convicted and sent to jail for corruption); "the only way he can lose an election is to be caught in bed with a dead girl or live boy."

296 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:22:51pm

re: #295 BeenHereAwhile

My YAT father told me that Edwin Edwards (who served 4 terms as governor of Louisiana before being convicted and sent to jail for corruption); "the only way he can lose an election is to be caught in bed with a dead girl or live boy."

Of course, Edwards won his last term because some of the GOP voting base made the stupid mistake of nominating David Duke, with the result that their own party leadership turn on them and urged people to vote for Edwards, even though they knew he was crooked. Hence the famous slogan:

"Vote for the Crook, it's important."

297 BeenHereAwhile  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:25:51pm

re: #247 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears

And they will need to recreate their version of FEMA once the first Gulf Coast hurricane comes to visit.

The secessionists would have to apply for foreign aid.

298 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:33:01pm

re: #138 abolitionist

And what might be the purpose of such electrical outlets in public parks? Electric hedge trimmers for the grounds keepers?

I know. I like going down to our boro park to sit by the river on a nice day and play guitar. There have been a few occasions that I have plugged my phone in to charge in a pavilion outlet. Just some asshole who happens to be a cop being a dick.

299 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:36:42pm

Vocabulary word for the day:

steeze
The combination of "style" and "ease." The word is spelled with a z just to make it more steezy

300 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:37:46pm

re: #298 Eventual Carrion

I know. I like going down to our boro park to sit by the river on a nice day and play guitar. There have been a few occasions that I have plugged my phone in to charge in a pavilion outlet. Just some asshole who happens to be a cop being a dick.

as I said, because homeless people aren't supposed to have cell phones.

The copy was making ass-umptions.

301 GunstarGreen  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:38:49pm

re: #81 Dark_Falcon

Not in my eyes. Creationism is but a small loss compared to the gains.

Economics, even if you believe the Republican view of them, will mean nothing when you have a nation of idiots that believe the earth is 6000 fucking years old and was made by a magical sky fairy.

302 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:39:46pm

Have a great evening folks!


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