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Fischer: ‘Clamp Down on Immigration’ Because ‘Socialist’ Hispanics Vote Democratic

Latino outreach from the religious right
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As I watched this clip from religious right caveman Bryan Fischer’s latest bug-eyed loony rant, I realized I was going to run out of adjectives; blatantly racist, bigoted, ignorant, hateful, creepy, xenophobic, etc. etc.

Fischer’s premise here is that Latinos are “socialists by nature,” who want open borders so they can bring in their huge families to “plunder the wealth of the United States.” And that’s why we have to stop them from coming in and “clamp down on immigration,” because they’ll vote for Democrats.

You won’t believe it. This one’s nuts even by Fischer’s already very low standards.

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164 comments

1 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:15:40pm

Its a well known fact that socialism is a genetically determined trait.
/

2 garhighway  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:15:53pm

I hope the GOP keeps this guy front and center for the next four years.

There's no whitewashing (no pun intended) this sort of bigotry.

3 calochortus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:16:16pm

re: #1 Kragar

Like being a fool of the first order?

4 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:16:54pm

Fischer/Geller 2016

So the Democrats can win all 51 states!

5 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:17:05pm

So they're abandoning one Socialist country for one that isn't Socialist in the hopes of making it so?

6 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:18:17pm

Dear Mr. Fischer,

Please take your anti-Latino and anti-Catholic beliefs and shove them up your ass. Your poisoning of people's minds will leave you with plenty to answer for when you are called to account for your life before Jesus.

Fuck You Very Much,

Dark_Falcon

7 sizzzzlerz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:18:20pm

Too late, Fischer.

They're here [spoken like the creepy little girl in Poltergeist]

8 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:19:48pm

re: #5 Four More Tears

So they're abandoning one Socialist country for one that isn't Socialist in the hopes of making it so?

WULBERHEEEEEENZ!!!!

9 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:20:19pm

re: #7 sizzzzlerz

Too late, Fischer.

They're here [spoken like the creepy little girl in Poltergeist]

"I see Hispanic people..."

10 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:20:32pm

There is an ongoing discussion about how Latinos should naturally be drawn to the GOP: they are big on family values, hard work and education.

So why won't they just roll over and vote GOP?

Bush made inroads into them, but that has long since faded.

11 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:21:35pm
Fischer’s premise here is that Latinos are “socialists by nature,”

That's funny, I thought Latinos had a strong family structure by nature, and that's why they were just itching to jump ship for the GOP.

You'd think the director of the American Family Association would know that.

12 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:22:15pm

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

Dear Mr. Fischer,

Please take your anti-Latino and anti-Catholic beliefs and shove them up your ass. Your poisoning of people's minds will leave you with plenty to answer for when you are called to account for your life before Jesus.

Fuck You Very Much,

Dark_Falcon

You're on a roll today! So there is hope and change after all.

13 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:24:58pm

re: #12 darthstar

You're on a roll today! So there is hope and change after all.

Not really. Attack those that harm the Brand.

See: Akin, Todd

14 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:26:21pm

re: #13 erik_t

Not really. Attack those that harm the Brand.

See: Akin, Todd

There are whose views are so toxic that they must be exposed and then removed from political influence. People I'd never vote for.

See Bachmann, Michele

15 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:26:55pm
16 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:28:11pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

There are whose views are so toxic that they must be exposed and then removed from political influence. People I'd never vote for.

See Bachmann, Michele

Yet curiously, they hold exactly the sort of anti-reason cavemannish toxic views that you so gladly defend when expressed by politicians using more polite language.

See Ryan, Paul

17 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:29:15pm

re: #15 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

this should be in the onion, sadly it's real

She's famous now!

18 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:29:20pm

re: #15 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

this should be in the onion, sadly it's real

It's amazing how our schools have completely and utterly failed in the civics department.

19 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:29:55pm

Come to think of it, isn't this congress the first one with a majority of Creationists on the House Science Committee?

That's pretty freaky.

20 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:30:09pm

re: #15 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

this should be in the onion, sadly it's real

On a more serious note, she's symptomatic of the GOP hate machine. She probably really believes the Fox hype about President Obama destroying America.

21 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:30:12pm

Corporations Calling To ‘Fix The Debt’ Want $134 Billion In Tax Breaks

Ahead of negotiations over the so-called “fiscal cliff” and what promises to be another fight over raising the debt ceiling, 63 CEOs representing the largest U.S. corporations, including several Wall Street firms, launched a campaign to supposedly “fix the debt.” However, this campaign calls for additional corporate tax cuts by switching the U.S. to what’s known as a “territorial” corporate tax system, along the lines of that proposed by Mitt Romney.

According to a report by Institute for Policy Studies, the corporations involved could gain up to $134 billion in windfalls if Congress approves such a system, which exempts foreign earnings from the U.S. corporate income tax:

– The 63 companies that are publicly held could gain up to $134 billion in windfalls. The biggest potential winner is General Electric, which would earn $35.7 billion on its overseas earnings of $102 billion.

22 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:30:13pm

re: #15 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

this should be in the onion, sadly it's real

Ann Coulter likes her.

23 calochortus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:30:47pm

re: #18 Four More Tears

It's amazing how our schools have completely and utterly failed in the civics department.

I think this goes a long way beyond a lack of understanding of civics. Presumably the marriage was on shaky ground before the election.

24 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:31:13pm

Bryan Fischer always makes me think of Ben Folds Five's "Uncle Walter."

25 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:31:50pm

re: #18 Four More Tears

It's amazing how our schools have completely and utterly failed in the civics department.

part of it is schools for not teaching basic subjects like science, economics or civics, nor do they teach logic and critical thinking.

and part of it is our society that seems to express admiration for and even reward people who choose violent and aggressive ways of expressing themselves.

26 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:31:51pm

re: #19 dragonath

Come to think of it, isn't this congress the first one with a majority of Creationists on the House Science Committee?

That's pretty freaky.

I've been told it all balances out...

27 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:32:23pm

re: #15 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

this should be in the onion, sadly it's real

""According to Daniel, Holly believed her family was going to face hardship as a result of President Obama's re-election," Sanger says.

Ironically, it turned out to be true because she went crazy bitch on her husband.

28 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:33:03pm

between this and latest rant from rush reproduced in the below thread, i think i'm getting the picture here

It's Not Just About Republicans Winning, It's About White People Winning

29 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:33:40pm

re: #18 Four More Tears

It's amazing how our schools have completely and utterly failed in the civics department.

Which is why we need to destroy the Department of Education and replace it with homeschools and vouchers.
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30 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:34:14pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

There are whose views are so toxic that they must be exposed and then removed from political influence. People I'd never vote for.

See Bachmann, Michele

Whatever makes you feel better. You still vote for and condone their bigotry. Clamping down on immigration, and opposing marriage equality are official planks in your party's national platform.

31 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:34:43pm

re: #28 engineer cat

between this and latest rant from rush reproduced in the below thread, i think i'm getting the picture here

It's Not Just About Republicans Winning, It's About White People Winning

Image: tumblr_m57j78YQt71qludqqo1_400.jpg

32 Inconsequential Consequence  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:37:30pm

Loss of privileged position scares the crap out of some people, so much so they tell themselves they aren't privileged and the 'others' are getting unfair advantage.

They lose all ability to be rational and objective, while crying out that others are being emotional.

dominant 7 #9

33 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:38:07pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

There are whose views are so toxic that they must be exposed and then removed from political influence. People I'd never vote for.

See Bachmann, Michele

How does Mitt "self-deport" Romney not qualify as toxic?

34 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:38:58pm

re: #14 Dark_Falcon

There are whose views are so toxic that they must be exposed and then removed from political influence. People I'd never vote for.

See Bachmann, Michele

i'm afraid though that you will also find yourself among the 'moderates' who the other side of your party will, on their part, seek to expel

remember, they will see it as a holy war and classify you as 'impure'

35 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:39:08pm

re: #33 wrenchwench

How does Mitt "self-deport" Romney not qualify as toxic?

"Toxic" = "Not on my own personal ballot in my district"

36 bratwurst  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:39:41pm

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

Dear Mr. Fischer,

Please take your anti-Latino and anti-Catholic beliefs and shove them up your ass. Your poisoning of people's minds will leave you with plenty to answer for when you are called to account for your life before Jesus.

Fuck You Very Much,

Dark_Falcon

You do understand the fact that you (and millions of others) in the GOP are willing to accept religious kookiness and anti-science stupidity from someone like Jindal helps keep the tent door open for Fischer and his ilk...right?

37 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:41:11pm

There's nothing more toxic to a political party than losing the race for the White House. Too bad the Republicans are too anti-science to consult with any kind of expert to find out how that happened.

38 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:41:17pm

re: #33 wrenchwench

How does Mitt "self-deport" Romney not qualify as toxic?

Mitt's in hiding, licking his wounds from losing. He'll be back in a few weeks when he thinks everyone has forgotten what a shitty president he would have made and what a shitty candidate he actually was.

39 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:41:23pm

re: #36 bratwurst

You do understand the fact that you (and millions of others) in the GOP are willing to accept religious kookiness and anti-science stupidity from someone like Jindal keeps the tent door open for Fischer and his ilk...right?

You can publicly repudiate someone and privately, hell publicly continue to enjoy and benefit from their support. It's standard GOP.

40 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:42:56pm

re: #28 engineer cat

between this and latest rant from rush reproduced in the below thread, i think i'm getting the picture here

It's Not Just About Republicans Winning, It's About White People Winning

These are people who took "white is the color of the big boss man" to heart. It's pretty much a moral to them.

41 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:44:19pm

Cool ... here's the official video for Uncle Walter, rescued from the MTV black hole of music videos. Never saw this one before.

42 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:44:22pm

re: #34 engineer cat

i'm afraid though that you will also find yourself among the 'moderates' who the other side of your party will, on their part, seek to expel

remember, they will see it as a holy war and classify you as 'impure'

It will be as God wills. If they do that, then they do that. But purity in bigotry is not something I will embrace.

43 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:45:36pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

It will be as God wills. If they do that, then they do that. But purity in bigotry is not something I will embrace.

That is the schism that the GOP faces. Ideological purity vs. political relevance.

44 Tigger2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:47:21pm

People like Fisher will sure help the Republicans come back to the center and gain Hispanic votes. //

45 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:48:38pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

It will be as God wills. If they do that, then they do that. But purity in bigotry is not something I will embrace.

You fight so hard for them to win, yet... you don't fight for them to be good at all.

I just don't understand.

46 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:48:42pm

This is great: Pundit Shaming.

47 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:48:55pm

Poll: Latino Republican Sen-Elect Ted Cruz Received No Boost From Latinos

After President Obama cleaned house among Latino voters last week, Republicans are already considering how they can reach out to this growing demographic that showed little interest in what the GOP was selling this election cycle. Polling data from the state of Texas, where Latino Republican Sen-elect Ted Cruz was on the ballot, suggests that Republicans will not be able to close this gap simply by running Hispanic candidates. Although there is no exit polling from Texas in the 2012 election, polling data from Latino Decisions indicates that Texas Latinos overwhelmingly favored Cruz’ opponent:

48 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:49:09pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

It will be as God wills. If they do that, then they do that. But purity in bigotry is not something I will embrace.

I've heard God helps those who help themselves.... The sooner you leave the Republican fold, the more time you will have to adjust to and enjoy your new reality.

49 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:49:15pm

Baltimore Sun: Mitt Romney has no future in the GOP. I just hope he doesn't try to become a Democrat and ingratiate himself to President Obama.

[Link: articles.baltimoresun.com...]


By the way, he's still selling his shit at full retail on mittromney.com.

50 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:50:16pm

re: #47 Kragar

Poll: Latino Republican Sen-Elect Ted Cruz Received No Boost From Latinos

NM's Latina Governor got 38% of the Hispanic vote.

51 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:50:16pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

It will be as God wills. If they do that, then they do that. But purity in bigotry is not something I will embrace.

You've already embraced it. You've opposed, here, the repeal of DADT, marriage equality, and the rights of gays to adopt. You repeated, as though you shared them, your best friend's hopes that the black percentage of the total general election vote would be down this year.

I don't know if you're just trying to fool yourself or what, but you've been embracing bigotry this whole time.

52 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:50:58pm

Jesus was a socialist. Fischer should issue a condemnation of the Gospels for being un-Christian.

53 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:51:53pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

It will be as God wills.

What religion says that? Just curious.

54 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:52:12pm

re: #51 goddamnedfrank

You've already embraced it. You've opposed, here, the repeal of DADT, marriage equality, and the rights of gays to adopt. You repeated, as though you shared them, your best friend's hopes that the black percentage of the total general election vote would be down this year.

I don't know if you're just trying to fool yourself or what, but you've been embracing bigotry this whole time.

Its not bigotry if you use code words, speak politely, and try to make it sound like its for their own good.
/

55 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:52:41pm

re: #53 Mich-again

What religion says that? Just curious.

Not Crom, thats for damn sure.

56 Tigger2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:55:41pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

This is great: Pundit Shaming.

I have never seen so much fail on one page. lol

57 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:55:52pm

re: #53 Mich-again

What religion says that? Just curious.

Mostly Islam. I sometimes say it that way to piss off Islamophobes.

58 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:56:31pm

I can not think of a concept that flies in the face of Christianity more than predestination. The notion that everything that happens happened because God willed it that way is closer to satanism than anything that Jesus taught.

Free will and predestination are polar opposites. If there is predestination there is no zero purpose for religion at all. Welcome to the topsy turvy world of the Religious Right.

59 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:56:38pm

re: #46 Charles Johnson

This is great: Pundit Shaming.

I hope it stays around for at least the next four years.

60 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 1:59:50pm

re: #58 Mich-again

Man, Ignatius of Loyola would have loved you.

61 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:02:48pm

re: #58 Mich-again

I can not think of a concept that flies in the face of Christianity more than predestination. The notion that everything that happens happened because God willed it that way is closer to satanism than anything that Jesus taught.

Free will and predestination are polar opposites. If there is predestination there is no zero purpose for religion at all. Welcome to the topsy turvy world of the Religious Right.

Crom > Predestination

62 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:05:24pm
63 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:05:25pm

re: #58 Mich-again

I can not think of a concept that flies in the face of Christianity more than predestination. The notion that everything that happens happened because God willed it that way is closer to satanism than anything that Jesus taught.

Free will and predestination are polar opposites. If there is predestination there is no zero purpose for religion at all. Welcome to the topsy turvy world of the Religious Right.

I don't believe in predestination either, and the order Saint Ignatius of Loyola founded runs the high school I attended. But let me ask:

How do you square Free Will and God's Will as concepts?

64 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:10:15pm

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

I don't believe in predestination either, and the order Saint Ignatius of Loyola founded runs the high school I attended. But let me ask:

How do you square Free Will and God's Will as concepts?

It's suuuuuper easy. There's no god to have any will.

65 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:11:17pm

Last time I checked close to 60 percent of America's immigration is made up of Mexicans who come here to work in the American free-market. Many are the backbone of America's agri-business who bust their asses to support their families here and back home in Mexico. Roofers, carpenters, truck drivers, cooks, bus boys, waitresses, too many to list. The initial immigration trends were nurtured by greedy American businessmen and women to increase profits in this highly competitive free-market. It is because of these immigrant that many of them have become so wealthy. So a hardy fuck you to Bryan Fischer and his kind!

66 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:12:07pm
67 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:12:21pm

I just set up a another second interview. It is shaping up as a good week for me.

68 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:12:37pm

re: #64 erik_t

It's suuuuuper easy. There's no god to have any will.

I do not believe that.

69 Randall Gross  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:13:21pm

The rumored new NRSC chair, Jerry Moran, has 100 percent rating from FRC last I checked.

70 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:16:46pm

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

How do you square Free Will and God's Will as concepts?

Great question but why ponder the unknowables when there are so many unknowns on the list.

71 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:16:47pm

re: #63 Dark_Falcon

I don't believe in predestination either, and the order Saint Ignatius of Loyola founded runs the high school I attended. But let me ask:

How do you square Free Will and God's Will as concepts?

In my mind, you can't.
You either have free will or don't.
Also, being unfairly punished for using said free will is rather douchey on god's part.
;)

72 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:17:41pm

re: #10 Sol Berdinowitz

There is an ongoing discussion about how Latinos should naturally be drawn to the GOP: they are big on family values, hard work and education.

So why won't they just roll over and vote GOP?

Bush made inroads into them, but that has long since faded.

Exhibit A of why it has long since faded is at the top of this thread.

Throw in English Only laws, opposition to the DREAM Act, hateful laws like SB1070 in Arizona, birtherism (even against Republicans like Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz!), the Minutemen militia types, "self-deportation" and all the anti-Latino rhetoric on the right and it will be a long, long time before the GOP wins the Latino vote on a national level unless they exile cavemen like Fischer.

73 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:17:42pm

Where's Samuel L. Jackson when you need him:

Tennessee Restaurant Infested with Snakes

It's disgusting, sure, but not exactly a surprise when restaurants find critters like cockroaches and mice and rats infesting an eatery's kitchen or walls. One animal you certainly don't expect to see: snakes.

That's just what TV show host Ben Vaughn saw at the Pig-N-Whistle in Millington, Tennessee, the Huffington Post tells us. Vaughn, a restaurant consultant, was filming the Food Network show "Health Inspectors" when he spotted a garden snake in the corner of the restaurant.

The serpents wasn't a very new resident, either: A layer of skin sat right next to the snake, meaning the animal had been hanging out long enough to shed at least once.

On the show, which hasn't aired yet, Vaughn will try to help the restaurant exterminate its pests and pass its next inspection.

74 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:18:00pm

re: #69 Randall Gross

The rumored new NRSC chair, Jerry Moran, has 100 percent rating from FRC last I checked.

That's a way bad sign. They needed someone with no more than a ~ 25-50 rating.

75 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:18:13pm

re: #21 Kragar

Corporations Calling To ‘Fix The Debt’ Want $134 Billion In Tax Breaks

Of course they do. They want to fix the debt without paying for it.

76 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:18:28pm

re: #70 Mich-again

Great question but why ponder the unknowables when there are so many unknowns on the list.

I'm just trying to get your thoughts on the matter, is all.

77 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:19:58pm

re: #10 Sol Berdinowitz

Bush made inroads into them, but that has long since faded.

Slight correction but I think it was Laura Bush who made those inroads moreso than George.

78 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:22:54pm

re: #76 Dark_Falcon

I'm just trying to get your thoughts on the matter, is all.

Alls I know is that if we were all just marionettes, then why would God send his offspring here to warn us not to fuck up.

79 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:23:21pm

It's telling that things that seem like minor issues in GOP agenda hint towards bigotry. Take the elimination of Pell grants, for example. It's systemic and deliberate.

80 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:23:56pm

re: #75 Lidane

Of course they do. They want to fix the debt without paying for it.

"We all need to do our part to fix this. Now, we'll be over here, don't bother us until you're done."

82 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:26:04pm

Related.

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NSFW. Contains racist language.

83 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:27:10pm

re: #78 Mich-again

Alls I know is that if we were all just marionettes, then why would God send his offspring here to warn us not to fuck up.

Well said.

84 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:28:13pm

re: #79 dragonath

It's telling that things that seem like minor issues in GOP agenda hint towards bigotry. Take the elimination of Pell grants, for example. It's systemic and deliberate.

Or how about this example. In Michigan, Rick Snyder and the Tea Party legislature eliminated the State tax deduction for paying city taxes to Detroit. So if you work in Detroit and pay city taxes on your income, you now have to pay State income tax on the taxes you paid to Detroit.

Oh no, nothing at all racist there.

85 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:28:49pm

Rios: 'One of the Most Tragic Results' of the Gay Rights Movement is 'the Gay Community Itself'

Rios argued that homosexuality itself causes depression, high suicide rates and violence and that a “tragic” consequence of the gay rights movement “is the gay community itself,” which she described as a dysfunctional and sad place. LaBarbera, meanwhile, said that the “the Glee kiss that was on national TV” told him “that America was in deep, deep trouble” as gay rights supporters are “taking away the natural revulsion that most people have or used to have toward homosexual behavior.”

I can't see why a gay person could possibly be depressed when they such loving Christians telling them they're dirty sinners who are destroying America and will rot in hell for eternity and "regular" people are naturally revolted by them.

86 Randall Gross  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:30:22pm

re: #74 Mich-again

That's a way bad sign. They needed someone with no more than a ~ 25-50 rating.

Jerry's unassailable too. He could pull a Weiner, a Mourdock, and an Akin before Kansans would start thinking about voting against him.

87 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:30:30pm
88 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:31:02pm

re: #87 Gus

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That's true. They do.

89 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:31:50pm

re: #87 Gus

Replace "must be" with "are" and it would be closer to the truth.

90 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:32:00pm

re: #87 Gus

"Democrats 'must be looking at us like we're the biggest f----- morons in the world,' one frustrated Republican said...

Pretty much.

91 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:32:27pm

re: #88 dragonath

That's true. They do.

That's one more Rino in need of purging.

92 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:33:12pm

re: #72 Lidane

Exhibit A of why it has long since faded is at the top of this thread.

Throw in English Only laws, opposition to the DREAM Act, hateful laws like SB1070 in Arizona, birtherism (even against Republicans like Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz!), the Minutemen militia types, "self-deportation" and all the anti-Latino rhetoric on the right and it will be a long, long time before the GOP wins the Latino vote on a national level unless they exile cavemen like Fischer.

Besides, Latinos are 2 to 1 pro-choice. (I read that somewhere today.) So this concept that they are a natural fit with Republicans is just another falsehood. One that our Governor Martinez, a former Democrat, fell for.

93 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:35:40pm

re: #92 wrenchwench

Besides, Latinos are 2 to 1 pro-choice. (I read that somewhere today.) So this concept that they are a natural fit with Republicans is just another falsehood. One that our Governor Martinez, a former Democrat, fell for.

It takes a lot of expensive mind deprogramming to get that dumb and most Latinos can't afford it.

94 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:36:33pm
95 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:37:15pm

It's pretty sad that Kansas is so Republican it ended up going from Progressivism all the way to having senators 100% certified by the FRC.

Probably because people ended up voting like their parents.

There's a moral there, I think.

96 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:37:16pm

re: #94 Kragar

Lawmaker asks to be paid in gold

For the love of...

97 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:38:23pm

re: #93 Mich-again

It takes a lot of expensive mind deprogramming to get that dumb and most Latinos can't afford it.

Liberty University aint cheap.

98 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:38:28pm

All the gold mined in human history doesn't come even close to covering the US economy. No where near it.

99 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:38:56pm

re: #94 Kragar

Lawmaker asks to be paid in gold

Economic illiteracy at its finest.

100 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:39:16pm

re: #98 Varek Raith

All the gold mined in human history doesn't come even close to covering the US economy. No where near it.

That's okay. Only rich people need apply.

101 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:39:35pm

re: #94 Kragar

Lawmaker asks to be paid in gold

LUAP DNAR!

102 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:39:51pm

re: #98 Varek Raith

All the gold mined in human history doesn't come even close to covering the US economy. No where near it.

Nixon knew that decades ago. It's why he took us off the gold standard.

These gold/silver standard imbeciles still haven't gotten the memo.

103 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:40:24pm

re: #96 Varek Raith

For the love of...

Because so many of today's commercial transactions have a "pay with gold" option.

104 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:40:42pm

re: #98 Varek Raith

All the gold mined in human history doesn't come even close to covering the US economy. No where near it.

Shhh! You'll upset the Gold Monkeys speaking facts like that. Then they'll fling Sovereign Citizen poo.

105 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:40:56pm

re: #98 Varek Raith

All the gold mined in human history doesn't come even close to covering the US economy. No where near it.

Which goldbugs have told me is just proof that America's economy is "bloated" and "close to crashing." Going back to the gold standard would bring it "back to the right size."

106 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:41:09pm

Maybe this guy thinks he's living in the 10th century.

Oh wait, he's a Republican. He is.

107 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:43:33pm
108 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:43:45pm

re: #106 dragonath

Maybe this guy thinks he's living in the 10th century.

Oh wait, he's a Republican. He is.

The Gold Standard was more of a 19th Century idea.

109 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:43:54pm

re: #98 Varek Raith

All the gold mined in human history doesn't come even close to covering the US economy. No where near it.

Sure it will. We'll just have to allow its value to naturally increase to the point where heywaitaminute....

110 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:44:23pm
111 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:44:33pm

re: #107 Gus

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You'd think that the wingnuts would be thrilled at Kerry being named SecDef. It means they can run McDreamy again for his seat.

112 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:44:36pm

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

The Gold Standard was more of a 19th Century idea.

But the blinding ignorance to still hold on to the gold standard and all the other bad ideas in the GOP base is straight out of the 10th Century.

113 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:46:24pm

No idea who he's talking about. There may be a column about it to follow.

114 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:48:00pm

re: #111 Targetpractice

You'd think that the wingnuts would be thrilled at Kerry being named SecDef. It means they can run McDreamy again for his seat.

I didn't know Patrick Dempsey was interested in a political career.

[dives into bunker]

115 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:48:16pm

So he wants to be paid with a gold coin, based on the price of gold, which only has a printed value of $50 on its face, but it worth $1900 based on the gold content. Either he wants to be paid for the $1900 dollar value, which means he'll actually need to sell it to a gold broker at the actual going price and use that money to pay his bills, or we wants his pay to be made of the $50 gold coins, so lets say for example he earned $500, meaning 10 gold coins, which is $19k of gold by content.

116 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:50:22pm

Elections have consequences.

117 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:50:29pm

re: #113 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

No idea who he's talking about. There may be a column about it to follow.

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I don't give a damn who he's talking about. That committee person is an ignorant fuckwit.

Secession, "buying our way out of America", or whatever the hell else they want to call it would be a BAD thing for Texas, if for no other reason than the Border Patrol and the military would pull up shop and set up along the Red River instead of the Rio Grande.

118 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:50:33pm
119 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:51:29pm

re: #110 Gus

Man who accused Elmo puppeteer of teen sex recants

It's almost like TMZ should not be taken as gospel.

(fell for it just like the rest of the world)

120 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:51:45pm

re: #118 Varek Raith

WTF.

Yeah, pretty much. Unfortunately this is probably etched in stone with wingnut and Fox News idiots.

121 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:51:58pm

re: #116 darthstar

Elections have consequences.

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That means at least a shitload of Republicans now support the thing they were screaming against for the last two years. All that's left are the teabaggers clinging to their Medicare.

122 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:52:09pm

re: #115 Kragar

So he wants to be paid with a gold coin, based on the price of gold, which only has a printed value of $50 on its face, but it worth $1900 based on the gold content. Either he wants to be paid for the $1900 dollar value, which means he'll actually need to sell it to a gold broker at the actual going price and use that money to pay his bills, or we wants his pay to be made of the $50 gold coins, so lets say for example he earned $500, meaning 10 gold coins, which is $19k of gold by content.

Personally, I'm curious as to how he's managed to get anywhere with such an attitude. Have past employers paid him in gold? Did he use gold coins to fund his campaign? Does he pay his own staff in gold coins?

Methinks the peon is going full retard in the hopes of running for higher office.

123 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:52:25pm

re: #116 darthstar

Elections have consequences.

Six percent to go.

124 Turkey Jihad  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:52:57pm

How in the hell does this looney tune have the Declaration of Independence in the background when every word he spews goes against everything the Founders fought for in the first place? Derp.

125 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:53:40pm

Well, it's a good thing he can see an upside to losing, because he's got a whole lot more of that coming his way.

126 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:54:30pm

re: #122 Targetpractice

Personally, I'm curious as to how he's managed to get anywhere with such an attitude. Have past employers paid him in gold? Did he use gold coins to fund his campaign? Does he pay his own staff in gold coins?

Methinks the peon is going full retard in the hopes of running for higher office.

I though Kirk Lazarus said that was a big no-no?

BBL

127 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:54:36pm

re: #125 darthstar

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Well, it's a good thing he can see an upside to losing, because he's got a whole lot more of that coming his way.

No mandate? Paul Ryan can go fuck himself.

128 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:54:40pm

re: #115 Kragar
Derp.

Tell ya what. He can come to my office and use that check to buy all the gold it affords. Coins carry a premium over spot, where I work we would get 6%.

Okay this is sarcastic as I & my employer do not deal with the public. But if he cares to, any coin dealer will take that state check. I suggest American coins rather than say... Pandas. The legislature need not have anything at all to do with his peculiar currency obsession.

129 Turkey Jihad  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:54:55pm

re: #122 Targetpractice

Personally, I'm curious as to how he's managed to get anywhere with such an attitude. Have past employers paid him in gold? Did he use gold coins to fund his campaign? Does he pay his own staff in gold coins?

Methinks the peon is going full retard in the hopes of running for higher office.

And just because a gold coin is worth $1900 does not mean that you'll get that price. It's only worth what someone is willing to pay. Something Glenn Beck and the other Goldline pimps seem to fail to mention in those godforsaken ads.

130 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:55:15pm

re: #116 darthstar

Elections have consequences.

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Only way repeal was ever going to happen was a Romney win and a Republican Senate. Come 2014, when Republicans next have a chance to shift the Senate, people by the thousands, if not millions, will be able to get insurance when previously they couldn't. Running on repealing Obamacare then will be political suicide.

131 A Mom Anon  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:55:19pm

re: #116 darthstar

Not just the election,but stuff keeps coming online that is helping people. I just got a letter from my insurance co. today that told me I'm now eligible for free mammograms,colonoscopies and other tests because of the ACA. There were also a fair share of new 18 yr olds who went off to college in August and September who were able to stay on their parent's plans, I'm betting more than a few of those families noticed. By the time 2014 comes around, more good will come of the ACA and people are going to realize that the morons in congress and on FOX were lying their asses off.

132 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:55:49pm
133 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:56:02pm

re: #127 Gus

No mandate? Paul Ryan can go fuck himself.

See? An upside!

134 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:56:16pm

I just realized that the church lady was way ahead of her time

135 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:56:18pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

Only way repeal was ever going to happen was a Romney win and a Republican Senate. Come 2014, when Republicans next have a chance to shift the Senate, people by the thousands, if not millions, will be able to get insurance when previously they couldn't. Running on repealing Obamacare then will be political suicide.

I'll say it here first. The GOP will lose ground in the Senate and lose the house. Our President will enjoy a slight majority in his "lame duck" years.

136 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:57:35pm

re: #127 Gus

No mandate? Paul Ryan can go fuck himself.

And yet, if Morris' prediction came true and Romney won by 330+ points, we'd be told that not only was it a "landslide," but also a "mandate." But because Obama won by 332 points, it's neither.

I'm shocked, SHOCKED! ///

137 Neutral President  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:58:26pm

re: #128 Daniel Ballard

Derp.

Tell ya what. He can come to my office and use that check to buy all the gold it affords. Coins carry a premium over spot, where I work we would get 6%.

Okay this is sarcastic as I & my employer do not deal with the public. But if he cares to, any coin dealer will take that state check. I suggest American coins rather than say... Pandas. The legislature need not have anything at all to do with his peculiar currency obsession.

Exactly. The state controller should send him an email with a link to APMEX or something, but I know this is less about him actually worrying about inflation than it is him trying to make some asinine Paulian statement about what he thinks the Constitution says.

138 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:58:39pm

re: #135 Daniel Ballard

I'll say it here first. The GOP will lose ground in the Senate and lose the house. Our President will enjoy a slight majority in his "lame duck" years.

That seems to be the way the pendulum is swinging. The GOP really burned a lot of bridges this year and seem set on nuking them from orbit just to be sure. Come 2014, I foresee the Class of '10 getting handed its ass.

139 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 2:59:24pm

re: #135 Daniel Ballard

I'll say it here first. The GOP will lose ground in the Senate and lose the house. Our President will enjoy a slight majority in his "lame duck" years.

I don't think 'lame duck' will apply to President Obama's last two years. I suspect the Democratic majority in both houses (if they achieve it) will spend those two years passing laws that will be so popular that Democrats will have a fairly easy time of it in 2016 (if they don't commit Primary "suicide by debate" like the GOP did this year).

140 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:00:22pm

The GOP has fucked itself so hard this year even Anonymous is taking pity on them by leaving them alone...what more damage could they possibly do if they tried?

141 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:00:51pm

re: #139 darthstar

Democrats will have a fairly easy time of it in 2016 (if they don't commit Primary "suicide by debate" like the GOP did this year).

It's a lot easier to commit "suicide by debate" when your base holds positions that the bulk of the country finds loathsome.

I don't think that's a huge problem for the Democrats.

142 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:01:10pm

Two semi-obscure facts about gold..

1) For the last 30 years, the price of gold has been tied to the slope of India's GDP. India is the world's biggest buyer of gold, mostly for jewelry. As Indian GDP and thus incomes go, so does the demand and price for gold.

2) 2500 tonnes of new gold are mined every year. That is a lot of ounces.

143 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:02:28pm
144 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:02:44pm

Maybe this has something to do with those 'socialist' Latinos voting for Democrats:

Hispanic Household Wealth Fell by 66% from 2005 to 2009

Median household wealth among Hispanics fell from $18,359 in 2005 to $6,325 in 2009. The percentage drop—66%—was the largest among all racial and ethnic groups, according to a new report by the Pew Research Center’s Social & Demographic Trends project. During the same period, median household wealth declined 53% among black households and 16% among white households.

[...]

145 Political Atheist  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:06:16pm

re: #139 darthstar

I don't think 'lame duck' will apply to President Obama's last two years. I suspect the Democratic majority in both houses (if they achieve it) will spend those two years passing laws that will be so popular that Democrats will have a fairly easy time of it in 2016 (if they don't commit Primary "suicide by debate" like the GOP did this year).

I agree. Actually that's exactly why I put the word in quotes. Now a Democratic Congress and Senate could lame him up. By that I mean IF the very very Democratic houses start pushing Obama to the left. Many on the left feel he is too far right/too centrist/too "Rockwell Republican in blackface". That's the scenario that could hurt him.

But I very much doubt that would happen.

146 Mattand  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:09:07pm

re: #140 darthstar

The GOP has fucked itself so hard this year even Anonymous is taking pity on them by leaving them alone...what more damage could they possibly do if they tried?

2010 midterms: never forget.

147 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:09:42pm

re: #139 darthstar

I don't think 'lame duck' will apply to President Obama's last two years. I suspect the Democratic majority in both houses (if they achieve it) will spend those two years passing laws that will be so popular that Democrats will have a fairly easy time of it in 2016 (if they don't commit Primary "suicide by debate" like the GOP did this year).

The fucking Republicans are already trying to make Obama a lame duck. Some have called him as such already. Screw them.

148 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:11:08pm

re: #147 Gus

The fucking Republicans are already trying to make Obama a lame duck. Some have called him as such already. Screw them.

They're trying to get their hands on any part of the narrative they can. Lame Duck only applies to the end of the second term - usually the last few months as the election heats up. Trying to say he's a lame duck before he's sworn in is a sign of desperation and systemic failure as a party.

149 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:12:16pm
150 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:16:26pm

I'd almost like to see this country move to the gold standard- if for nothing else to see the gnashing of teeth when richer states like New York and California amass more gold than places like Florida and Mississippi.

151 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:17:41pm

I hope the military is checking current and future applicants against the signature lists on these secession petitions.

152 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:19:36pm

re: #151 goddamnedfrank

I hope the military is checking current and future applicants against the signature lists on these secession petitions.

I hope the military doesn't ever try to get into the business of law enforcement.

153 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:21:00pm

re: #142 Mich-again

2) 2500 tonnes of new gold are mined every year. That is a lot of ounces.

Mine production last year was closer to 2800 tonnes, as high prices are encouraging production from low yield sources:
[Link: www.gfms.co.uk...]

That's 2,800,000 kilograms.
At 19.3 grams per cubic cm, which makes for 145,077,720. cubic cm per year.

That's a cube 525 cm on a side.

154 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:24:49pm

re: #152 erik_t

I hope the military doesn't ever try to get into the business of law enforcement.

They already are, it's called the UCMJ. The absolute last thing they should do is recruit people who've expressed their desire to abandon the union.

155 compound_Idaho  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:25:30pm

re: #142 Mich-again

The only gold I own except for my wedding band is through asset allocation mutual funds. A couple of them have been way way heavy into gold. Laugh if you want, but it is the only thing that has saved my portfolio over the last 10-15 years.

156 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:26:57pm

re: #153 freetoken

Mine production last year was closer to 2800 tonnes, as high prices are encouraging production from low yield sources:
[Link: www.gfms.co.uk...]

That's 2,800,000 kilograms.
At 19.3 grams per cubic cm, which makes for 145,077,720. cubic cm per year.

That's a cube 525 cm on a side.

Right, so at $1500 per ounce it takes what $150 billion just to buy the new gold, let alone the existing gold that is already on the market that might switch hands.

That is about 3% of the amount of gold already available for investment every year, which is not much different than the rate of inflation.

157 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:27:56pm

re: #154 goddamnedfrank

They already are, it's called the UCMJ. The absolute last thing they should do is recruit people who've expressed their desire to abandon the union.

I somehow read you talking about future presidential candidates, not armed forces recruits, because I have the dumb.

Withdrawn.

158 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:28:18pm

re: #155 compound_Idaho

The only gold I own except for my wedding band is through asset allocation mutual funds. A couple of them have been way way heavy into gold. Laugh if you want, but it is the only thing that has saved my portfolio over the last 10-15 years.

I didn't laugh. I just pointed out a couple facts.

159 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:28:47pm

re: #156 Mich-again

Half of gold goes into jewelry, and as you noted Indians are large consumers. Here in the US gold use is pretty much limited to gold bands, as Americans seem to have lost their taste for gold jewelry.

I have four gold crowns on my teeth, a couple of which are pretty substantial. I probably have more gold in my mouth than most people wear on their ring finger, given how slight wedding bands are these days.

160 Mich-again  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:31:58pm

re: #159 freetoken

Half of gold goes into jewelry, and as you noted Indians are large consumers. Here in the US gold use is pretty much limited to gold bands, as Americans seem to have lost their taste for gold jewelry.

I have four gold crowns on my teeth, a couple of which are pretty substantial. I probably have more gold in my mouth than most people wear on their ring finger, given how slight wedding bands are these days.

So the fans of gold want US monetary policy tied to the Indian penchant for buying gold and to the amount of tooth decay. Sounds like a plan.

161 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:33:37pm

If the U.S. government ends up careening off the "fiscal cliff," Republicans in Congress stand to shoulder most of the blame, according to a new poll released Tuesday.

A majority of Americans said in a new, post-election poll that they do not expect President Barack Obama and members of Congress to reach an agreement to avoid the effects of the fiscal cliff, the combination of automatic spending cuts and tax hikes set to take effect at the beginning of the year.

Fifty-three percent of Americans said Republicans in Congress would be more to blame in that instance, according to a Pew Research Center poll conducted in the days following the election. Twenty-nine percent said that Obama would be more to blame, while 10 percent said both the president and Republicans would share blame.

162 plansbandc  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:53:48pm

re: #87 Gus

Yep.

163 jerrysrollin.blogspot.com  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 11:09:02pm

What would Y'all think if they voted republican ? You would think ;' lets be Santa Claus and bare gifts'. Better to buy votes than have some respect and earn them. NOT to worry, after Jan 1, there will BE another recession. Obama care will see to it.

164 wheat-dogghazi  Wed, Nov 14, 2012 1:45:33am

re: #47 Kragar

Republicans just don't understand that having a Spanish surname does not automatically give a candidate street cred with Hispanic voters. Cruz, despite his dad's Cuban birth, is about as plain vanilla Establishment white as he can be. I can understand why Hispanic voters (especially non-Cubans) would be lukewarm to his candidacy.

Maybe political viewpoints are more important than a candidate's ethnicity now, ya think?

Does anyone know if Cruz speaks Spanish?


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