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Amazing Solo Bass: Adam Ben Ezra, “Can’t Stop Running”

One take, no loops, no overdubs, dog
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This one is an original composition called “Can’t stop running”. One take, no loops or layers. You can download the track on my BandCamp:
adambenezra.bandcamp.com
I’m answering questions on my Facebook: facebook.com

Original music: Adam Ben Ezra
Cinematographer: Sergey Maydin
Video editor: Guy Dayan
Sound desighner: Dan Zipori
Dog: Chief
Huge thanks to mr. Ron Locker!

Cheers!
אדם בן עזרא

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278 comments

1 abolitionist  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:24:39pm

Anyone seen that dog move? Nevermind.

2 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:28:04pm
3 Usually refered to as anyways  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:30:07pm

Nice tune...

4 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:31:32pm

Reminds me of the joke (which I actually told to Phil Lesh once when I met him) about the guy who gets lost at sea and winds up on a deserted island. After a few days, he hears drums...boomba-da-boomba-daboomba. The island isn't deserted after all! He walks across the island to discover cannibals playing the drums and cooking up missionaries in a pot.

So he decides to stay on his side of the island and survive as best he can, but the drums never stop...day in, day out, and throughout the night, rain or shine...boomba-da-boomba-daboomba.

Weeks go by...boomba-da-boomba-daboomba.

Finally, he can't stand it any more and again crosses the island, getting ever closer to the boomba-da-boomba-daboomba. When he gets to the village, he just loses his shit and runs up to the chief and says, "I don't care if you eat me alive! Just stop that incessant drumming!"

The chief says, "NO! If drums stop, bass solo!"

5 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:33:02pm

Love the dog just lying there.

6 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:36:43pm

re: #1 abolitionist

Anyone seen that dog move? Nevermind.

re: #5 darthstar

Love the dog just lying there.

I don't even see it breathing!! (over half way into it)

7 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:36:59pm

One of AP's most recognized names, Seth Borenstein, has a new article out on global warming today and the sudden rise in interest about carbon tax, and the Houston Chron pairs the article with... a photo of AL GORE!!


Global warming talk heats up, revisits carbon tax

And the first comment over there is:

Carbon taxes are economic terrorism. ....

8 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:37:02pm

re: #6 sattv4u2

re: #5 darthstar

I don't even see it breathing!! (over half way into it)

AH ,, just as I hit POST IT

9 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:41:09pm

Check out this Kos diary. Watch the Colbert video. Marvel as hundreds of thousands of dollars disappear without a trace.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Money laundering the American way.

10 Jan Smiddy  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:42:44pm

Thank you Charles and Adam and pooch. Loved it. Great groove.

11 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:43:18pm
12 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:43:31pm

Uh...

13 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:43:54pm

re: #12 Gus

Uh...

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{sigh}

14 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:44:17pm

re: #12 Gus

Uh...

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That's not reported at NRO. But if you listen to the tape they either forgot or didn't bleep out her phone number. They did bleep out the phone number for the first call.

15 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:44:53pm

re: #4 darthstar

Reminds me of the joke (which I actually told to Phil Lesh once when I met him) about the guy who gets lost at sea and winds up on a deserted island. After a few days, he hears drums...boomba-da-boomba-daboomba. The island isn't deserted after all! He walks across the island to discover cannibals playing the drums and cooking up missionaries in a pot.

So he decides to stay on his side of the island and survive as best he can, but the drums never stop...day in, day out, and throughout the night, rain or shine...boomba-da-boomba-daboomba.

Weeks go by...boomba-da-boomba-daboomba.

Finally, he can't stand it any more and again crosses the island, getting ever closer to the boomba-da-boomba-daboomba. When he gets to the village, he just loses his shit and runs up to the chief and says, "I don't care if you eat me alive! Just stop that incessant drumming!"

The chief says, "NO! If drums stop, bass solo!"

that's a great joke - i read it first in the indispensable Jazz Anecdotes

16 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:49:39pm

Don't let the bold Red States/Blue States fool you. We're more purple than that.

Image: 545543_10151321923986667_860632622_n.jpg

Go Vikings!

17 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:52:10pm
18 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:54:07pm

re: #17 Four More Tears

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Kurtz: We train young men to drop fire on people, but their commanders won't allow them to write "fuck" on their airplanes because it's obscene!

19 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:55:02pm

re: #16 darthstar

Don't let the bold Red States/Blue States fool you. We're more purple than that.

Image: 545543_10151321923986667_860632622_n.jpg

Go Vikings!

I didn't know Barney was a Viking!!

Oh ,, wait ,, he DOES have horns!!

Image: barney-satan-color.jpg

20 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:57:53pm
21 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:58:55pm

chortle

22 engineer cat  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:59:06pm

re: #16 darthstar

Don't let the bold Red States/Blue States fool you. We're more purple than that.

Image: 545543_10151321923986667_860632622_n.jpg

Go Vikings!

blue city cores surrounded by red suburban rosettes

the blue line that runs through the center of the southland and on either side of the mississippi from new orleans to tennessee

23 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 3:59:22pm

re: #19 sattv4u2

I didn't know Barney was a Viking!!

Oh ,, wait ,, he DOES have horns!!

Image: barney-satan-color.jpg

I'll never forgive Barney for clubbing Phil over the head and coming out and playing his six string bass at a Grateful Dead show...neither will Bobby.

Image: 553718_488780811153010_2121458550_n.jpg

24 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:00:12pm

What a mess.
Who is Abu Qatada and why is Britain unable to deport him?
My guess is the Brits will tolerate him as long as the terrorism he supports happens outside of UK/Europe.

25 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:02:34pm

If one speaks the truth, will anyone listen?

Geithner Says Higher U.S. Income Taxes Unavoidable

Treasury Secretary Timothy F. Geithner said it will be necessary to raise personal income-tax rates on the wealthiest Americans to reduce long-term budget deficits because capping deductions won’t raise enough revenue.

[...]

26 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:04:20pm

Paul Ryan blames loss on surge in 'urban areas.' Is that right?

Ryan was taking some heat in the blogosphere Tuesday for the “urban areas” part of the above comment. Some saw it as a coded reference to “blacks.” We won’t bother to quote this discussion – if you want to see it, just search “Paul Ryan” in Twitter and read the vitriol that appears.

But we’re surprised that Ryan says he was surprised by the urban turnout. After all, most of the battleground states ended up voting pretty much as the average of pre-election polls indicated they would. That’s how New York Times polling analyst Nate Silver ended up calling the results in all 50 states. With predictions that were pretty darn public at the time.

27 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:04:21pm

Another one speaking to the wind:


Outgoing Sen. Brown urges 'larger tent' for GOP

Republican Sen. Scott Brown of Massachusetts, the only incumbent senator to lose re-election this fall, is urging the GOP to make a stronger push for support from women, minorities and moderates like himself.

[...]

28 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:05:03pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Me thinks Ryan is trying to fish for constituencies for a 2016 run.

29 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:05:28pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Paul Ryan blames loss on surge in 'urban areas.' Is that right?

I'm surprised Mitt Romney hasn't thrown Paul Ryan under the bus yet...or Paul Mitt.

30 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:05:34pm

re: #21 Four More Tears

chortle

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Tits McGee is out tonight, in her place is Veronica Corningstone.

31 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:06:53pm

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Earlier this year, judges at the European Court of Human Rights ruled that Qatada could not be extradited to Jordan because Jordanian authorities had not provided assurances that torture-derived evidence would not be used to convict him. Torture is routinely used to interrogate prisoners in Jordan, according to Human Rights Watch. In response, Britain and Jordan signed an agreement on Qatada's extradition that stipulated he would not be subjected to torture or other mistreatment at the hands of Jordanian officials.
But on Monday, Britain's Special Immigration Appeals Commission (SIAC) ruled that Jordan had supplied insufficient assurances that the evidence used against Qatada would not be based on testimony from other tortured witnesses. Despite the diplomatic agreement's assurances, the SIAC notes that there was a "high probability" that statements from two witnesses would be used against Qatada in Jordan, and there was a "real risk" that the testimony from the two had been procured through torture. As such, Qatada is unlikely to receive a fair trial in Jordan, the SIAC writes, and so his extradition cannot be allowed.

32 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:08:07pm
33 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:08:24pm

re: #27 freetoken

Another one speaking to the wind:

Outgoing Sen. Brown urges 'larger tent' for GOP

Nearly as inadvisable as running on "rape is god's gift" is running on a campaign of tomahawk chops and Indian war cries.

34 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:09:00pm

re: #25 freetoken

If one speaks the truth, will anyone listen?

Geithner Says Higher U.S. Income Taxes Unavoidable

I was just reading up on that....
Might an idea from Mitt Romney save US from 'fiscal cliff'?

Any cap on deductions would have to be part of a larger deficit-reduction package. It wouldn’t raise nearly enough money to solve the problem by itself. Mr. Obama’s cap by itself would have generated $164 billion over 10 years, points out Suzy Khimm on The Washington Post’s WonkBlog Tuesday. In contrast, allowing the Bush-era tax reductions to expire for those making more than $250,000 would generate a whopping $1 trillion over the same time period.

It may not be the solution but it could be part of the solution.

35 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:10:13pm

re: #32 dragonath

Jill Kelley, Woman Who Sparked Petraeus Scandal, Ran Questionable Charity

Hmm.

And this is surprising how? Seedy people feeding off each other for personal gain and pleasure (and don't tell me she isn't fucking around - she's a buckle bunny if ever there was one)...of course they'll run a questionable 'charity'...they have no sense of shame.

36 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:10:48pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

The idea of eliminating or capping deductions far predates Romney.

Indeed, I find this whole movement to rehabilitate Mitt Romney, which has popped up in a handful of stories the past week, kind of off-putting.

37 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:11:41pm

re: #34 Killgore Trout

I was just reading up on that....
Might an idea from Mitt Romney save US from 'fiscal cliff'?

It may not be the solution but it could be part of the solution.

I'm completely willing to believe that any idea that came from Mitt Romney never actually originated inside the brain of Mitt Romney. So don't go trying to white-wash him into some kind of rational person who had good ideas. He didn't.

38 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:12:16pm

re: #31 Varek Raith

That doesn't mean he's innocent, the Brits just don;t have the legal tools to deal with people like him. He's a ticking time bomb, it's only a matter of time.

39 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:12:38pm

re: #36 freetoken

The idea of eliminating or capping deductions far predates Romney.

Indeed, I find this whole movement to rehabilitate Mitt Romney, which has popped up in a handful of stories the past week, kind of off-putting.

WE LOST BECAUSE WE HAD A SHITTY CANDIDATE, BUT WE CAN'T ADMIT THAT SO LET US REINVENT HIM IN REAGAN'S IMAGE!

40 Obdicut  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:14:09pm

re: #36 freetoken

The idea of eliminating or capping deductions far predates Romney.

Indeed, I find this whole movement to rehabilitate Mitt Romney, which has popped up in a handful of stories the past week, kind of off-putting.

It's really weird. Even in that article it says that Obama proposed a cap earlier that Romney, and yet somehow it's "An idea from Romney". It's an idea that Romney has endorsed. So was a national version of Romneycare, once upon a time. So were a lot of things.

41 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:14:27pm

KT - it's cold out there in rehab Mitt land...you should wear a hat.

Image: 21662.jpg

42 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:15:00pm

re: #36 freetoken

The idea of eliminating or capping deductions far predates Romney.

Indeed, I find this whole movement to rehabilitate Mitt Romney, which has popped up in a handful of stories the past week, kind of off-putting.

Of course Mitt didn't invent the idea but it was an idea he put forward in his campaign. Obama didn't invent healthcare reform and Bush didn't invent the tax cuts he passed. All this stuff comes from advisers and think tanks. I think that goes without saying.

43 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:15:05pm
44 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:16:51pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

That doesn't mean he's innocent, the Brits just don;t have the legal tools to deal with people like him. He's a ticking time bomb, it's only a matter of time.

Nahh

I'm sure he's totally rehabilitated and will be opening a nice food truck in the Tottenham section of London!!

45 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:16:55pm

re: #43 freetoken

This, this is not a story that I think we need:

Speculation swirls amid talk of Sen. John Kerry landing position on Barack Obama's national defense team

Kerry would be a good Defense Secretary, but I think MA has a Republican governor.

46 compound_Idaho  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:17:10pm

re: #36 freetoken

The idea of eliminating or capping deductions far predates Romney.

Indeed, I find this whole movement to rehabilitate Mitt Romney, which has popped up in a handful of stories the past week, kind of off-putting.

Eliminate Schedule A and raise the standard deduction.

47 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:17:16pm

re: #40 Obdicut

It's really weird. Even in that article it says that Obama proposed a cap earlier that Romney, and yet somehow it's "An idea from Romney". It's an idea that Romney has endorsed. So was a national version of Romneycare, once upon a time. So were a lot of things.

Face it, we're all ideas from Romney. The man is a fount of creative interpretations.

48 Kragar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:17:51pm

Took the kids to see "Wreck it Ralph" yesterday. I wasn't expecting much, but they had been pestering me for weeks about wanting to see it. I was pleasantly surprised.

49 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:17:56pm

re: #45 darthstar

Kerry would be a good Defense Secretary, but I think MA has a Republican governor.

Don't tell Deval Patrick that...

50 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:18:05pm

re: #45 darthstar

Kerry would be a good Defense Secretary, but I think MA has a Republican governor.

Deval Laurdine Patrick

Democrat

51 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:18:24pm

re: #49 Four More Tears

Don't tell Deval Patrick that...

Ah, thanks...I stand corrected.

52 danarchy  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:18:53pm

re: #33 darthstar

Nearly as inadvisable as running on "rape is god's gift" is running on a campaign of tomahawk chops and Indian war cries.

Frankly, that probably had nothing to do with why he lost. The only reason he won in the first place was because it was special election with low turnout. After all, this is Massachusetts where a respected liberal, openly gay, pro-choice republican candidate couldn't beat a Democrat whose, wife was convicted of running an illegal gambling operation which he "knew nothing about" (if you believe that I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.)

Oddly enough he may get another chance early in 2013 if Kerry gets a Cabinet appointment and we have another special election.

53 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:19:28pm

re: #51 darthstar

Ah, thanks...I stand corrected.

Besides, the Gov. doesn't pick replacement Congressmen in MA.

54 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:19:35pm

re: #51 darthstar

Ah, thanks...I stand corrected.

You stand while on the innertoobies!?!?!

DONATIONS NEEDED ,, BUY DARTHSTAR A CHAIR !!

55 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:19:54pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

The point is others were already mentioning the idea when Mitt jumped on the train. He really can't claim any ownership of it, other than having his marketing people push that the idea was his.

Deductions have always been an item on the table in tax discussions.

And yes, it's a bit spurious to actually credit Obama for "Obamacare", given that his involvement is that he was the guy in office when the Democrats in Congress, after many many years, finally cobbled together some compromise. Indeed, with GWB going along with the expansion of Medicare, "Obamacare" was the logical next step.

A story/editorial that ran a couple of days ago tried to push for yet another deficit/debt commission, this one supervised by a Clinton+Romney duo.

It's all an attempt to re-invent the past, to make Romney as something other than he was, and to make the Republicans as something other than that upon which they ran.

56 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:20:44pm

Sick burn.

57 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:20:46pm

re: #44 sattv4u2

Nahh

I'm sure he's totally rehabilitated and will be opening a nice food truck in the Tottenham section of London!!

I read your comment before seeing what you were responding to. I thought you were talking about Mitt. Heehee.

58 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:20:49pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

That doesn't mean he's innocent, the Brits just don;t have the legal tools to deal with people like him. He's a ticking time bomb, it's only a matter of time.

Never said he was.
But ignoring laws is not the way to handle this.

59 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:21:45pm

re: #45 darthstar

Kerry would be a good Defense Secretary, but I think MA has a Republican governor.

Deval Patrick - Democrat. The danger is that whoever replaces Kerry would have to run in an off year election next November, quite possibly against Scott Brown.

60 danarchy  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:21:47pm

re: #50 sattv4u2

Deval Laurdine Patrick

Democrat

There is also a lot of talk in these parts a Duval being a possible candidate for the attorney General position should Eric Holder step down.

61 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:22:57pm

re: #57 wrenchwench

I read your comment before seeing what you were responding to. I thought you were talking about Mitt. Heehee.

Nahh

Mitts opening a taco stand in Provo Utah

And in 4 years, Obama's opening up a surf shack at Kapalua!!

62 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:28:26pm

Arizona woman runs over husband with her car because he didn't vote.

[Link: freerepublic.com...]

Freep's take:

To: drewh

If the guy IS responsible for the kenyan staying in power, then I’m driving out to Arizona and run him over with my SUV too!

9 posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 6:45:42 PM by The Sons of Liberty (Never Underestimate the Power of Evil or Evil Doers)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: drewh

I’d vote not guilty on all counts.

15 posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 6:48:03 PM by carriage_hill (America - a great idea while it lasted.)
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To: drewh

Strong patriotic Wife runs down pussy-man, bleeding-heart socialist Husband.

And... I’m supposed to feel sympathy for HIM?

Try again.

30 posted on Monday, November 12, 2012 6:52:34 PM by workerbee (The President of the United States is DOMESTIC ENEMY #1)
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63 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:29:26pm

William Saletan at Slate ( a "magazine" whose name I just noticed suspiciously comes from letters in Saletan's name...) tries hard to pigeonhole:

The New Grand Old Party

Progressives like to think they’re the engine of history. They fight for change, and eventually conservatives succumb. But it doesn’t always work out that way. History is littered with liberal ideas—pacifism, high taxation, single parenting by choice—that conservatives challenged and defeated. Progressives may drive history, but conservatives filter it.


[...]

The early commenters over there aren't having it, though.

64 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:30:56pm

re: #9 Four More Tears

Check out this Kos diary. Watch the Colbert video. Marvel as hundreds of thousands of dollars disappear without a trace.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

Money laundering the American way.

Still more proof for my theory that candidacy of Mitt Romney is a producers style scam....

65 Four More Beers  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:30:57pm

So Justice Sotamayor takes a trip to that dastardly waste of .000001% of taxpayer money Sesame Street, says to a muppet “Abby pretending to be a princess is fun, but it is definitely not a career." The justice recommended little girls go to school so they can be a teacher, lawyer, or “even a scientist.”

Sounds pretty reasonable and encouraging, right? Noooo! The Dumbest Man on the Internet, the King of Derp himself Jim "Dim" Hoft has posted maybe (that's saying a lot, I know) the dumbest rant ever, I guess he was so pissed off, he spelled Sotamayor "Sotamayer," and called her "Killjoy." You can see it for yourself, but here are some comments:

1.)

Someday it’ll come out that Sotomayer has gone “elmo” on little kids…

2.)

Or you can be gay and be a princess who marries another princess. You can also grow up and become a liberal princess who tells eveyone else they dont build things, you are mean, rich and racist and dont pay enough so that they can give it away to parasites who didnt earn that

I think every time we Obama comes to town or a business we put up signs that say

YOU DID NOT EARN THAT !

3.)

Sodomy Street… where they want the boys to grow up to be queens.

4.)

otomayor is an evil woman. And she is high-ranking in ACCOUNTABILITY for what she does to others, as she stands before the God of Heaven, our Creator, Almighty God of the House of Abraham, Isaac and Israel.

5.)

SHut up,you potmark faces spic!

Dim, you're a fucking loser.

66 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:31:04pm

re: #62 SpaceJesus

I feel sorry for whoever has to wipe the spittle off of these peoples' screens.

67 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:33:24pm

Oil - it's the life blood of Americana:

Re-Elected Obama Has No Reason to Block Keystone Pipeline

[...]

It’s true that extracting and refining bitumen from the sticky black sands emits significantly more carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases than does drilling and processing ordinary oil. Yet in the well-to-wheels life cycle of the oil, its emissions are only about 17 percent greater (or even less) - - because most of oil’s emissions come from use. What’s more, oil-sands producers are working to reduce per-barrel emissions, for example by generating electricity as a byproduct of oil extraction.

[...]

The environmental side effects are real, in other words, but acceptable -- with careful monitoring and continued efforts to minimize them. Consider that Canada is the U.S.’s biggest and most reliable seller of crude, and that the Athabascan oil sands are the third largest proven oil reserves on Earth, already producing about 2 million barrels a day and expected to supply 3.3 million by 2020. That’s enough to help make North America largely energy-independent.

[...]

The "side effects" are real but acceptable!

And I expect they always will be seen as that.

68 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:36:02pm

Coal, we luv us some coal:

Where Is All the Coal?

[...] And the United States is naturally well-endowed with coal resources—25 percent of the world’s coal reserves are within our borders [...]

True, but only because of the definition of "reserves". Probable large deposits of carbon material lay in Canada, Russia, off the coast of Norway, and elsewhere, but because they are not yet proven in size and cost to develop they are not called "reserves".

69 Four More Beers  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:36:06pm

I went back to read some more comments, and here's a chestnut that made me smile:

Your website gets funnier and funnier every single day I read it and I’m so glad I keep coming back. I love how outraged you are that Sotomayor is telling girls that they can be whatever they want and that they can have careers. Why is it so wrong to tell young girls that, one day, they can become scientists? I get how you all don’t like scientists because you have a problem with, you know, facts, but a scientist can be a very fruitful career. I’m not saying that the US oppresses women, or that women have it particularly bad compared to the rest of the world, but as a feminist, I believe that, in most fields, women are just as capable as men and should be told that from a young age. I’m a high school teacher (excuse me, I meant, I’m a liberal Marxist socialist with communist union leanings), and some of my female students tell me they want to be homemakers some day. Do you know what I tell them? “good for you, you’re so smart, I bet your children will be the smartest their age.” But I also tell them that because they are so smart, they can also use their gifts to pursue careers IF THEY WANT TO. Because it’s America, and they have that freedom.

70 danarchy  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:37:23pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

Deval Patrick - Democrat. The danger is that whoever replaces Kerry would have to run in an off year election next November, quite possibly against Scott Brown.

Actually massachusetts law says the special election has to be no more than 160 days after a seat is vacated. So if the seat is vacated early in 2013 the election would be sometime in the summer.

71 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:39:13pm

re: #70 danarchy

Actually massachusetts law says the special election has to be no more than 160 days after a seat is vacated. So if the seat is vacated early in 2013 the election would be sometime in the summer.

There must be a Kennedy waiting in the wings there somewhere

What's Patches up to nowadays??

72 danarchy  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:42:26pm

re: #71 sattv4u2

There must be a Kennedy waiting in the wings there somewhere

What's Patches up to nowadays??

One of the Kennedy's just filled Barney's old seat in congress, probably too soon for him to make the jump to senate. If Joe Kennedy wanted it he would be a sure thing, but I think he is really done with politics.

73 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:44:10pm

China unveiled its drone which looks just like the MQ-9 Reaper.

Invasion is imminent! We're doomed!

74 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:44:44pm

The BBC calls it like it sees it:

Petraeus affair: Why the cult of the American general?

The downfall of retired Gen David Petraeus, once America's most prominent post-9/11 military leader, has stunned a nation. Why does the US hold its top military commanders in such high esteem - and what are the consequences?

[...]

"Cult of the American general" indeed.

75 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:45:02pm

so it's been about a week, how is marxism treating everyone so far?

76 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:45:39pm

re: #75 SpaceJesus

so it's been about a week, how is marxism treating everyone so far?

Still waiting on my free stuff. Haven't seen it yet. Weird.

//

77 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:45:51pm

re: #75 SpaceJesus

Well, I just go my little cap with a red star on it. Does yours fit?

78 Four More Beers  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:45:55pm

re: #75 SpaceJesus

so it's been about a week, how is marxism treating everyone so far?

JUST WAIT, LIBRUL!!! JUST WAIT!!!

79 SpaceJesus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:47:27pm

re: #77 freetoken

I was promised lots of show trials of white Americans and piles of confiscated firearms and FEMA camps. Getting a little impatient here.

80 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:51:38pm
81 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:52:15pm

re: #73 Gus

China unveiled its drone which looks just like the MQ-9 Reaper.

Invasion is imminent! We're doomed!

Available in stores everywhere in time for Christmas??

82 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:52:52pm

re: #73 Gus

China unveiled its drone which looks just like the MQ-9 Reaper.

Invasion is imminent! We're doomed!

Hell, it's off the shelf tech anyways...

83 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:53:04pm

re: #81 sattv4u2

Available in stores everywhere in time for Christmas??

If they're cheaper maybe we can save some dough and buy drones from China.

Drone-Mart™

//

84 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:54:00pm

re: #83 Gus

If they're cheaper maybe we can save some dough and buy drones from China.

Drone-Mart™

//

You mean we don't already !?!?!

85 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:54:34pm

re: #80 Gus

Cripes this is fucked up.

“Social liaison” Jill Kelley: How did she get that title? And what does it mean?

Gah...

There is one title Kelley embraced: The socialite received an award last year from representatives of coalition countries at Centcom — an appreciation certificate dubbing her an “honorary ambassador.” Kelley liked it so much she dropped the “honorary” but took the “ambassador” to heart and asked for staff at command headquarters to help organize social events, reports the L.A Times.

86 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:56:25pm

Squarepusher live - playing a mean bass:

87 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:56:42pm

We're being overrun!
Wait...
Image: carriers-2012.gif

88 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:56:56pm

re: #87 Varek Raith

We're being overrun!
Wait...
Image: carriers-2012.gif

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

89 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:56:57pm

Not to be too much of a doomer today... but... yes, we're in trouble:

Plants and soils could exacerbate climate change as global climate warms

[...]

Results indicated that the potential range of outcomes is vast and includes the possibility that plant and soil responses to human-caused warming could trigger a large additional release of carbon. If that outcome is realized, a given level of human emissions could result in much larger climate changes than scientists currently anticipate. It would also mean that greater reductions in greenhouse gas emissions could be required to ensure carbon dioxide concentrations remain at what might be considered safe levels for the climate system.

[...]

The scientific paper:

Carbon Cycle Uncertainty Increases Climate Change Risks and Mitigation Challenges

Projections of greenhouse gas concentrations over the twenty-first century generally rely on two optimistic, but questionable, assumptions about the carbon cycle: 1) that elevated atmospheric CO2 concentrations will enhance terrestrial carbon storage and 2) that plant migration will be fast relative to climate changes. This paper demonstrates that carbon cycle uncertainty is considerably larger than currently recognized and that plausible carbon cycle responses could strongly amplify climate warming. This has important implications for societal decisions that relate to climate change risk management because it implies that a given level of human emissions could result in much larger climate changes than we now realize or that stabilizing atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations at a “safe” level could require lower human emissions than currently understood. These results also suggest that terrestrial carbon cycle responses could be sufficiently strong to account for the changes in atmospheric carbon dioxide that occurred during transitions between ice age and interglacial periods.

[...]

Increasingly, results from coupled climate–carbon cycle models suggest natural carbon sinks will weaken over the next century (Denman et al. 2007; Friedlingstein et al. 2006). Nevertheless, our results suggest that these previous studies underestimate the potential for terrestrial carbon losses because they do not fully account for plausible constraints on plant migration and CO2 fertilization.

A more comprehensive accounting of carbon cycle response uncertainty suggests that the natural carbon cycle could become a major source of (or sink for) carbon emissions over the next century. This has important implications for societal decisions that relate to climate change risk management because it implies that a given level of human emissions could result in much larger climate changes than we now realize or that stabilizing atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations at a specific level could require lower human emissions than currently understood.

I note furthermore that the authors did not take into account the continued and expected continuation of deforestation. As fossil fuels become more expensive (as we're extracting the cheapest stuff first) deforestation I expect to accelerate, this already on top of the deforestation happening currently in tropical and subtropical areas being undertaken to expand croplands.

90 Bubblehead II  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:57:11pm

Evening Lizards.

Looks like the BSA has just lost another major sponsor.

Why to go UPS. Now let's see if FedEx and others follow suit.

91 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:57:27pm

re: #87 Varek Raith

We're being overrun!
Wait...
Image: carriers-2012.gif

We're gonna die! We're gonna die! We're gonna die!

92 The Mountain That Blogs  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:58:41pm
93 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 4:59:30pm

Yes, let's stuxnet China.
I foresee no consequences.

94 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:00:13pm

re: #93 Varek Raith

Yes, let's stuxnet China.
I foresee no consequences.

All for an Ibanez Les Paul copy.

//

95 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:00:56pm

CU-NOAA study shows summer climate change, mostly warming

[...]

In particular the scientists were able to look at the earlier time periods, note the temperature extremes, and observe that those values became more frequent in the later time periods. "You see how the extreme events of the past have become a normal event," Mahlstein said.

The scientists used 90 years of data for their study, a little more than the average lifespan of a human being. So if inhabitants of those areas believe that summers have changed since they were younger, they can be confident it is not a figment of their imagination.

"We can actually say that these changes have happened in the lifetime of a person," Mahlstein said.

But remember, the environmental costs are "acceptable".

96 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:01:07pm

re: #87 Varek Raith

We're being overrun!
Wait...
Image: carriers-2012.gif

keep an eye on Thailands!!!
//

97 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:01:40pm

Dear, peeps.
The MQ-9 is nothing special tech wise. It's mundane.
It really is.
;)

98 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:01:46pm

re: #75 SpaceJesus

so it's been about a week, how is marxism treating everyone so far?

My Obamaphone just arrived.

99 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:03:44pm

And their stealth is first gen.
Ours is what, 3rd or 4th?
Yeah, totally hopeless.

100 compound_Idaho  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:04:49pm

re: #98 makeitstop

Got a letter from my bank last week. I can no longer pay by cash or by check for health care services from my HSA. It must be paid via an electronic transfer or debit card so that the funds and provider can be verified by the federal government. You can do a lot of things based on a constitutional right to privacy, but not get a cavity filled or buy a pair of glasses without government approval.

101 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:06:21pm

re: #97 Varek Raith

Dear, peeps.
The MQ-9 is nothing special tech wise. It's mundane.
It really is.
;)

Iran's "new" hovercraft doesn't seem like much either
Iran Boasts Missile-Launching, Drone-Hurling Hovercraft

102 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:06:51pm

re: #99 Varek Raith

And their stealth is first gen.
Ours is what, 3rd or 4th?
Yeah, totally hopeless.

What is it with the China fear? I've joked about this before. People keep talking like we're still in a Cold War with China. Like it's still 1962.

103 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:07:48pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Iran's "new" hovercraft doesn't seem like much either
Iran Boasts Missile-Launching, Drone-Hurling Hovercraft

Also available at Wal Mart

Image: HoverCraft.jpg

104 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:08:50pm

re: #92 The Mountain That Blogs

Fair and Balanced, folks.

Morris is such a dick.

105 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:09:50pm

re: #104 makeitstop

Morris is such a dick.

wow,, thats probably why his name is Dick Morris!!

It all makes so much sense now!!

106 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:10:23pm

This whole thing is going to make a great novel/movie someday:

Paula Broadwell's License Discovered in D.C. Park

The woman revealed to have been carrying on an affair with former CIA Director David Petraeus lost her driver's license in a Washington, D.C., park recently, sources tell U.S. News.

... insert some brooding music here ...

[...] Muse did not immediately return calls regarding Broadwell's current whereabouts.

... this would be a good place for an organ crescendo ...

107 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:10:32pm

re: #100 compound_Idaho

Got a letter from my bank last week. I can no longer pay by cash or by check for health care services from my HSA. It must be paid via an electronic transfer or debit card so that the funds and provider can be verified by the federal government. You can do a lot of things based on a constitutional right to privacy, but not get a cavity filled or buy a pair of glasses without government approval.

I deposited a a series of large checks in my bank last month. On the first trip the cashier tried to sell me a bunch of new services. I declined. on the second and third trip the teller must have somehow notified a "manager" (aka Bullshit salesman) who came over offering coffee and a chat. These are the same dickheads who were charging me insane overdraft fees a few months earlier when I was poor. Assholes all.

108 sattv4u2  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:11:30pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

who came over offering coffee and a chat.

The coffee is free

The chat, not so much!!

109 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:11:31pm

re: #87 Varek Raith

We're being overrun!
Wait...
Image: carriers-2012.gif

Looks like freedom :)

It's kinda cool to be entrusted, to a considerable extent, to keep the world's oceans free and open for trade for every nation that we're not currently bombing. It helps that we're the only ones to dare to try to afford it, but what'reyagonnado.

110 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:12:11pm

re: #105 sattv4u2

wow,, thats probably why his name is Dick Morris!!

It all makes so much sense now!!

Fine. He's also an asshole. His middle name, maybe?

111 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:12:23pm

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Iran's "new" hovercraft doesn't seem like much either
Iran Boasts Missile-Launching, Drone-Hurling Hovercraft

Don't laugh. In the right hands that single hovercraft could probably sink our entire navy in one day!!

112 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:12:58pm

re: #103 sattv4u2

Also available at Wal Mart

Image: HoverCraft.jpg

Image: d3mythbusters1_I100310205802.jpg

113 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:13:22pm

re: #100 compound_Idaho

Got a letter from my bank last week. I can no longer pay by cash or by check for health care services from my HSA. It must be paid via an electronic transfer or debit card so that the funds and provider can be verified by the federal government.

The whole point of an HSA is that the income diverted to it is tax exempt and for the purposes of paying insurance deductibles. Letting you take out cash from the account seems like an easy way to make it pay for things it's nominally not allowed to.

You can do a lot of things based on a constitutional right to privacy, but not get a cavity filled or buy a pair of glasses without government approval.

No, you can still do those things privately without government approval. You just can't expect the government to subsidize them at the same time.

114 compound_Idaho  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:13:45pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

In this case it is not the bank. New Fed requirements.

115 EPR-radar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:15:01pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

I deposited a a series of large checks in my bank last month. On the first trip the cashier tried to sell me a bunch of new services. I declined. on the second and third trip the teller must have somehow notified a "manager" (aka Bullshit salesman) who came over offering coffee and a chat. These are the same dickheads who were charging me insane overdraft fees a few months earlier when I was poor. Assholes all.

Inconceivable!! The blessings of free enterprise bring happiness and prosperity to all, without exception.

//dripping

More seriously, the financial sector's systematic exploitation of the poor (and temporarily embarrassed) is a real issue, and should be vigorously curbed.

116 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:16:26pm

Nice video, Good song, Great dog.

117 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:16:53pm

Losing a little bit of gilt off the old shoulder epaulette, eh?

Four-star general demoted for improper spending

Gen. William "Kip" Ward, the first four-star general to command U.S. military operations in Africa, will lose one star and retire as a lieutenant general, the Pentagon announced Tuesday.

Anybody else notice how America's military officers are becoming immoral under Obama?

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118 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:17:10pm

re: #116 Gretchen G.Tiger

Nice video, Good song, Great dog.

What breed of dog is it, do you know?

119 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:17:15pm

re: #115 EPR-radar

More seriously, the financial sector's systematic exploitation of the poor (and temporarily embarrassed) is a real issue, and should be vigorously curbed.

Indeed.

120 Cheechako  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:17:42pm

I wonder how many Generals and Admirals are busy trying to scrub out their email, twitter, and face-book accounts right now?

121 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:18:21pm

re: #120 Cheechako

I wonder how many Generals and Admirals are busy trying to scrub out their email, twitter, and face-book accounts right now?

The idea of a flag officer with a Facebook account is not a part of a reality I'm ready to accept.

122 Cheechako  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:19:37pm

re: #121 erik_t

The idea of a flag officer with a Facebook account is not a part of a reality I'm ready to accept.

Absolutely nothing would surprise me right now.

123 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:19:58pm

There is plenty of money in the world:


Archduke Joseph Diamond fetches record $21.5M

Christie's auctioned off the Archduke Joseph Diamond for nearly $21.5 million Tuesday night, a world auction record price per carat for a colorless diamond.

The only problem is, you and I are not the ones that have it.

124 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:20:14pm

re: #112 Killgore Trout

Image: d3mythbusters1_I100310205802.jpg

Bad link.

125 Usually refered to as anyways  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:21:24pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

I deposited a a series of large checks in my bank last month. On the first trip the cashier tried to sell me a bunch of new services. I declined. on the second and third trip the teller must have somehow notified a "manager" (aka Bullshit salesman) who came over offering coffee and a chat. These are the same dickheads who were charging me insane overdraft fees a few months earlier when I was poor. Assholes all.

I remember the first time I deposited a large cheque in a savings account, got a leather bound port folio a week later in the mail. Next time I went in they called me Mr Ozbloke. Arseholes all.

126 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:21:53pm

Woman 'denied a termination' dies in hospital

Two investigations are under way into the death of a woman who was 17 weeks pregnant, at University Hospital Galway last month.

Savita Halappanavar (31), a dentist, presented with back pain at the hospital on October 21st, was found to be miscarrying, and died of septicaemia a week later.

Her husband, Praveen Halappanavar (34), an engineer at Boston Scientific in Galway, says she asked several times over a three-day period that the pregnancy be terminated. He says that, having been told she was miscarrying, and after one day in severe pain, Ms Halappanavar asked for a medical termination.

This was refused, he says, because the foetal heartbeat was still present and they were told, “this is a Catholic country”.

She spent a further 2½ days “in agony” until the foetal heartbeat stopped....

127 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:21:57pm

re: #122 Cheechako

Absolutely nothing would surprise me right now.

Hell, it's a free country. They're welcome to it. It just freaks me out on a get-off-my-lawn level. I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO FEEL THIS OLD AND CROTCHETY

128 bratwurst  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:23:10pm
129 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:24:04pm

re: #126 Gus

Woman 'denied a termination' dies in hospital

This was refused, he says, because the foetal heartbeat was still present and they were told, “this is a Catholic country”.

People have religions. Free countries don't have religions. What a bunch of bullshit.

130 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:25:06pm

re: #92 The Mountain That Blogs

Fair and Balanced, folks.

Stupid and Lying more like. As if pretending to be in the lead would somehow translate into really being in the lead and then winning...d'oh! Yet we saw how shocked they were when it didn't happen. The fake reality they had so busily creating over the last 4 years suddenly disappeared.

Could be an opening for Dr Butthurt's Reality Ointment.

131 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:27:36pm

re: #126 Gus

Woman 'denied a termination' dies in hospital

OMG. You forget what a fucking backward religious country Ireland is.

132 compound_Idaho  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:27:51pm

re: #113 goddamnedfrank

The whole point of an HSA is that the income diverted to it is tax exempt and for the purposes of paying insurance deductibles. Letting you take out cash from the account seems like an easy way to make it pay for things it's nominally not allowed to.

No, you can still do those things privately without government approval. You just can't expect the government to subsidize them at the same time.

But I can no longer buy my birth control as an HSA expense unless I can figure out how to get my doctor to write a prescription for rubbers. I also used to get a discount for cash at the dentist office so that they did not have to pay for the processing fees. The banks should love that.

133 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:29:01pm

re: #131 Stanghazi

OMG. You forget what a fucking backward religious country Ireland is.

It's what the religious-right controlled GOP wants for this country.

134 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:29:22pm

re: #93 Varek Raith
Good point.
Sabre rattling just dulls the blade.

How about we start with things they agreed to not copy? Movies, airplanes, jewelry and clothing design. And oh, BTW could we look into those product hazards that just keep coming and coming? No need to cower before the tiger. Just play straight hardball. Two fastballs then a curve.

Added edit
The Chinese respect proportionate response to a business or military challenge.

135 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:30:48pm
136 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:30:56pm

re: #134 Daniel Ballard

Good point.
Sabre rattling just dulls the blade.

How about we start with things they agreed to not copy? Movies, airplanes, jewelry and clothing design. And oh, BTW could we look into those product hazards that just keep coming and coming? No need to cower before the tiger. Just play straight hardball. Two fastballs then a curve.

A drone "copy" is not the same as counterfeiting goods.

137 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:32:18pm

re: #126 Gus

My neighbor told me that when she had her daughter, in Chicago, back in the 1950s, she went to a Catholic hospital with complications and was told they would work to save the baby, even if it meant she didn't survive. Things worked out ok for her and her baby, but she told me that she had 3 kids at home when this happened and wondered why THAT wasn't important. It's one of the reasons she changed her vote.

138 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:32:20pm

And these are the generals that the warmongers want to have us lead into war with Iran.

139 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:33:04pm

re: #131 Stanghazi

Hey now, they just opened 1 abortion clinic. . .//

140 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:33:24pm

re: #138 freetoken

And these are the generals that the warmongers want to have us lead into war with Iran.

Banana country.

141 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:34:04pm

re: #135 freetoken

Is this a honey pot??? Not sarcastic, but is this what it's becoming? Or was?

142 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:34:34pm

The existential pain of the wingnut right is real:

Man apparently kills himself over Obama’s reelection

143 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:35:04pm

re: #136 Gus

That drone design is not a good one for the "form follows function" argument. Look they got caught hacking aerospace computers. And the drone looks just like ours, benefiting from the design work our people did. Which deserves a call out and some contempt. I admit it's not a great lawsuit or GATT case. So as I suggested start with the things as I mentioned above.
Play straight hardball. No need to go all escalation or bitter. Just apply some rational consequences.

144 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:35:13pm

re: #135 freetoken

It's become an international news item:

Double trouble: identical twin sisters courted generals, lived the high life and racked up millions in debt

There's probably more. We might be just scratching the surface of a vast underground culture of the high and hallowed general/admiral class.

145 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:35:31pm

re: #135 freetoken

It's become an international news item:

Double trouble: identical twin sisters courted generals, lived the high life and racked up millions in debt

Insane soap opera. I'm reading into the massive hero worship that goes along with these guys.

Andrew Sullivan today:

The second reason was that I got to see him up close at one of those super secret media elite dinners the Atlantic's David Bradley would hold and foolishly invite me to. I was the usual turd in the punchbowl and kept grilling Petraeus on answers: when would we get out of Iraq? How? Doesn't real counter-insurgency require decades, i.e. a version of long-term civilizing imperialism? And what about Afghanistan? How could it work there? Wouldn't it take a century of neo-imperialism? It was clear to me that he wasn't used to being asked such questions by journalists and the brutal truth was, I came away from the lunch thinking this dude is improvizing like hell and it seems to be working, when nothing did before. So give him his due, but spare me the hagiography.

But more than that, I got a good glimpse of what this man's skill really was: watching the open jaws and worshipping eyes of the hacks around the table, I could see this man was a superb Washington operator - like Colin Powell without any military victories. To spin the rush to exits in Iraq as a masterful American-led strategy - rather than a mixture of luck, courage, sectarian exhaustion and the Anbar switcheroo - was his greatest achievement. That is not necessarily a criticism of course. Good generals need political support, and need to stroke the press and Congress. But there was something about the journalistic swoon that unnerved me. The acceptance of all his bullshit about the genius of the "surge" - when it quite clearly succeeded in getting us out of there but plainly failed to bring about the national reconciliation it promised - also got under my skin.

146 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:37:20pm

re: #145 Stanghazi

My dad rarely liked officers that observed wars from afar. . .

147 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:38:43pm

re: #142 freetoken

The existential pain of the wingnut right is real:

Man apparently kills himself over Obama’s reelection

That'll show Obama.
//

Seriously, though. Over a fucking election? Really?

148 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:39:39pm

re: #147 makeitstop

149 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:39:54pm

re: #147 makeitstop

That'll show Obama.
//

Seriously, though. Over a fucking election? Really?

Yes. I'm sure this was only over Obama's reelection. //

Dykes reported finding two empty prescription bottles, one for Xanax and one for Seroquel, used to treat anxiety and schizophrenia, respectively.

150 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:40:06pm

re: #145 Stanghazi

Insane soap opera. I'm reading into the massive hero worship that goes along with these guys.

Andrew Sullivan today:

[Link: andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com...]

151 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:40:57pm

re: #147 makeitstop

Seriously, though. Over a fucking election? Really?

I don't buy it. Just like the crazy bitch who ran her husband over and blamed it on his not voting, I think that Obama's re-election is just a convenient excuse.

152 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:41:30pm

re: #142 freetoken

The existential pain of the wingnut right is real:

Man apparently kills himself over Obama’s reelection

Overdosed a deadly drug combination with his schizophrenia prescription. Pretty good clue the election was merely the last thing on the list of suicidal tendencies there.

153 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:41:39pm

Evening all- Just turned in the 5th chapter of my dissertation, got turned down for an interview for a tenure track position, and find myself grateful that the implosion of my 20 year marriage didn't end up on CNN. . .life's pretty good:)

154 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:42:07pm

This should be fun:

Poll: If government careens off fiscal cliff, GOP to shoulder blame

If the U.S. government ends up careening off the "fiscal cliff," Republicans in Congress stand to shoulder most of the blame, according to a new poll released Tuesday.

A majority of Americans said in a new, post-election poll that they do not expect President Barack Obama and members of Congress to reach an agreement to avoid the effects of the fiscal cliff, the combination of automatic spending cuts and tax hikes set to take effect at the beginning of the year.

155 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:42:11pm

re: #151 Lidane

Like PMS?? ;)

156 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:43:04pm

Did you see Adam Ben Ezra's take on the South Park theme?

157 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:45:44pm

Hypothetical. The US goes out and develops a doomsday machine that can destroy the Earth and all its inhabitants. Two days later other countries decide they want one too. American says, "no you can't have one!"

If you're going to develop weapons systems don't complain when other countries "want one too" or even copy your design.

Just a reminder. The jet engine was largely invented by the British. The rocket engine was a product of "German ingenuity." We created rocket powered ICBMs no thanks to a former SS officer. Oh, the P-51 Mustang was originally a British design.

158 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:46:21pm

Right now the USA is developing robots that will eventually be used in the battlefield.

Guess what? The Russians and the Chinese are going to want those too.

Deal with it.

159 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:46:22pm
160 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:47:56pm

re: #157 Gus

Hypothetical. The US goes out and develops a doomsday machine that can destroy the Earth and all its inhabitants. Two days later other countries decide they want one too. American says, "no you can't have one!"

If you're going to develop weapons systems don't complain when other countries "want one too" or even copy your design.

Just a reminder. The jet engine was largely invented by the British. The rocket engine was a product of "German ingenuity." We created rocket powered ICBMs no thanks to a former SS officer. Oh, the P-51 Mustang was originally a British design.

I'm going to take a guess and say this is about Iran?

161 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:49:31pm

re: #158 Gus

Right now the USA is developing robots that will eventually be used in the battlefield.

Cyborgs.

The future of combat is in human-machine hybrids.

162 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:49:38pm

re: #160 Ghost of Tom Joad

I'm going to take a guess and say this is about Iran?

Not really but it could be.

163 EPR-radar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:49:42pm

re: #126 Gus

Woman 'denied a termination' dies in hospital

Murder under color of law. That's what anti-abortion laws are.

164 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:50:51pm

re: #157 Gus

Oh, the P-51 Mustang was originally a British design.

Design for the British. I swear we've already talked about this...

165 The Mountain That Blogs  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:50:53pm

re: #152 Daniel Ballard

Pretty sure Xanax and Seroquel won't kill you unless you chase it with booze.

166 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:52:20pm

re: #154 Lidane

This should be fun:

Poll: If government careens off fiscal cliff, GOP to shoulder blame

I am of the feeling that they are fucked. It's just the optics now.

167 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:53:30pm

re: #158 Gus

Right now the USA is developing robots that will eventually be used in the battlefield.

Guess what? The Russians and the Chinese are going to want those too.

Deal with it.

Reminds me of George Carlin talking about the Ten Commandments (I call them 'suggestions').

"Coveting thy neighbors goods is what drives the economy. If your neighbor gets a dildo that plays "Oh Cum All Ye Faithful," you wanna get one too."

168 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:55:35pm

I can't believe someone actually had to point this out:

*sigh*

169 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:57:11pm

re: #157 Gus

Hypothetical. The US goes out and develops a doomsday machine that can destroy the Earth and all its inhabitants. Two days later other countries decide they want one too. American says, "no you can't have one!"

The world did that in a way. It's called nuclear non proliferation. Fail at that and millions may pay. One of our worst diplomatic failures (shared by several admins-Not going wingnut on you here) is the existence of North Korean nuclear warhead designs, perhaps a few warheads that could really ruin South Koreas day.

What I advocate is you call them out and take it as a powerfully demonstrated lesson to keep an eye on design/data security. Visible proof of hostile spying. So, maybe recognize the threat and as you suggested, deal with it. Tighten up security. Jail leakers. I'm not calling for escalation. I'm calling for better prevention moving on.

170 philosophus invidius  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:58:00pm
171 philosophus invidius  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:59:53pm

re: #166 Stanghazi

Everyone knows that those polls don't count since they include a lot of urbans.

172 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 5:59:55pm

re: #170 philosophus invidius

That sound you hear is a bunch of Luap Nor fanboys lighting up their one-hitters and crying because Crazy Uncle Liberty won't be in Congress anymore.

173 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:00:30pm
174 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:00:45pm
175 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:01:00pm

re: #132 compound_Idaho

This isn't really unique. UPS and American Airlines recently stopped taking cash. That's just the way the world is going.

176 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:01:03pm

Rachel's showing off Halo 4. My worlds collide.

177 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:01:45pm

Petraeus and Broadwell would have made a great couple.

In another life.

178 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:02:46pm

Edit. Deleted.

179 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:03:16pm
180 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:04:03pm

re: #159 Stanghazi

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Did anyone listen?

181 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:04:12pm

re: #166 Stanghazi

I am of the feeling that they are fucked. It's just the optics now.

Well, looking at the recent elections, Democrats won big in 06' and 08', voters were dissatisfied and Repubs won huge in '10, Dems won big in '12 (maybe not overall, but with a less-than-stellar economy, I'd say so).

And...I have no idea what that means, but it looks like a lose-lose for them in the House right now. If they work with Obama and things get better, they could win re-election against a Democratic challenger. However, if they stonewall and things get worse, they'll lose. If they do compromise, they'll most likely get primaried by some lunatic, and the lunatic will probably lose IF the Dems can GOTV for a non-Presidential year.

But it does look like people outside of the lunatic fringe are realizing that 2010 was an enormous mistake. If the Democrats can survive the next 2 years and retake the House and hopefully a few more Senate seats, it'll be 2 years where Obama can hopefully push another large bill through (hopefully something that will make big infrastructure investments, because I think that should be the top priority right now. That=jobs too, and would set us up well for 2016.)

182 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:04:43pm

re: #180 Stanghazi

Did anyone listen?

Oh yeah. This afternoon. I've known about this for years now.

183 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:06:02pm

This was inevitable. And no, I didn't write it:

Peacefully grant the city of Austin Texas to withdraw from the state of Texas & remain part of the United States.

Austin Texas continues to suffer difficulties stemming from the lack of civil, religious, and political freedoms imposed upon the city by less liberally minded Texans. It is entirely feasible for Austin to operate as its own state, within the United States, in the event that Texas is successful in the current bid to secede. It is important for Austin to remain in the union as to do so would protect it's citizens' standard of living and re-secure their rights and liberties in accordance with the original ideas and beliefs of our founding fathers.

We would also like to annex Dublin Texas, Lockhart Texas, & Shiner Texas.

I love how they included sodas (Dublin), BBQ (Lockhart), and beer (Shiner) as part of Austin. Heh.

184 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:06:08pm

re: #182 Gus

Oh yeah. This afternoon. I've known about this for years now.

Yeah the quote has always been out there. But to hear it. It sinks in.

185 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:06:11pm

So, you think the rabid right is going to change because of this last election?

Hah!

Again, I say - Hah!


Maybe Minorities' Values Need Changing

... in which Prager asserts the real problem are the values of the "minorities".

Changing America

... in which Cal Thomas says the answer is to, basically, go God.


Before We Give Up, Could We At Least Try Selling Our Ideas?

... in which David Limbaugh asserts various groups are just too stupid and that they listened to Democrats.

5 Reasons Amnesty Would Be Political Suicide For The Republican Party

... in which Hawkins is in total denial that there is anything in the GOP or "conservatism" that lead all the various groups that overwhelmingly voted for Obama to have good reason to avoid the GOP.

So no, the rabid right is not going to change, and they'll fight hard to move the GOP even farther into the reactionary mode.

186 Ghost of Tom Joad  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:06:46pm

re: #179 Gus

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Funny that Jill Kelly is the name of a pornstar. Irony abound in this whole mess.

187 wrenchwench  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:07:33pm
188 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:08:25pm

re: #186 Ghost of Tom Joad

Funny that Jill Kelly is the name of a pornstar. Irony abound in this whole mess.

Related:

Image: original.jpg

189 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:10:36pm

Notice anyone?

Image: pict101.jpg

190 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:11:54pm

What Military-Industrial-Complex?

191 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:12:23pm

re: #189 Gus

Notice anyone?

Image: pict101.jpg

I'd know those shoulders anywhere.

192 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:13:17pm

Hey Reasearchok,
Thanks for up#34,000. Four years chiming in around here, and I'm still having a ball. :-)

193 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:13:28pm

re: #191 makeitstop

I'd know those shoulders anywhere.

More here:

[Link: cryptome.org...]

194 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:13:39pm

re: #189 Gus

Notice anyone?

Image: pict101.jpg

I just see legs...

195 jamesfirecat  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:15:18pm

re: #188 Lidane

Related:

Image: original.jpg

Sadly I can not find a good shot of the spread sheet to keep. Track of all the plot twists in, the dark knight begins rising..

196 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:15:24pm

Isn't that Chertoff next to her?

197 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:15:45pm

BTW, on another Salem Communications website, HotAir, I see they are giving postings in the "Green[snot] Room" more front page exposure. The "Green Room" has a history of posting by far right, racist/right article writers.

Salem is doubling down on the reactionary motif.

198 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:16:19pm

re: #193 Gus

More here:

[Link: cryptome.org...]

Jesus, just about every creepy neocon ever, all in one room.

199 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:16:59pm

re: #193 Gus

More here:

[Link: cryptome.org...]

There are enough white people in there to hold a Republican convention...

200 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:18:13pm

re: #198 makeitstop

Jesus, just about every creepy neocon ever, all in one room.

I think I'm starting to understand why Cantor didn't want this to break before the election.

201 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:18:30pm

In other news: Three hours later, the Kemp/Dole site has finally loaded.

Interesting that education is top on their list of issues.

202 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:18:37pm
204 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:19:10pm

re: #193 Gus

More here:

[Link: cryptome.org...]

Lily white is what I saw.

205 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:19:29pm

Hahaha...

Image: pict90.jpg

206 Killgore Trout  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:20:13pm

Neighbors came around tonight with duck eggs, roast pork, sausages and cupcakes. Nice folks.

207 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:20:19pm
208 makeitstop  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:20:51pm

re: #200 dragonath

I think I'm starting to understand why Cantor didn't want this to break before the election.

Word. Who knows what else is going on that we haven't heard about yet.

209 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:21:04pm

Gallup is very upset at Nate Silver

Did Gallup just blame Nate Silver for ruining the art and science of polling?

You don’t have to read too far between the lines of a statement from Gallup’s editor in chief, Frank Newport, published on Friday, to get that impression.

Newport first attempts the formidable task of defending Gallup’s polling accuracy during the 2012 campaign. Perhaps he was anticipating Silver’s Saturday column, which labeled Gallup the most inaccurate pollster of all the firms that measured voter sentiment this year. But Silver was hardly alone in wondering why Gallup regularly reported numbers much more favorable to Romney than anyone else in 2012. We deserve an explanation a little less lame than Newport’s: what’s the big fuss? Gallup wasn’t really off by that much.

210 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:21:15pm

re: #207 Stanghazi

Miami?

Tokyo.
/

211 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:22:30pm
212 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:23:07pm

re: #209 Lidane

Gallup is very upset at Nate Silver

Student-t just called the waaahmbulance.

213 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:23:35pm
214 Four More Tears  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:24:03pm

re: #212 erik_t

Student-t just called the waaahmbulance.

Every time you post now I hear the words as if they were spoken by grumpy-cat.

215 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:24:18pm
216 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:25:24pm

re: #197 freetoken

BTW, on another Salem Communications website, HotAir, I see they are giving postings in the "Green[snot] Room" more front page exposure. The "Green Room" has a history of posting by far right, racist/right article writers.

Salem is doubling down on the reactionary motif.

I have more contempt for Salem than any Clear Channel because they're helping destroy a once vibrant FM band with Christian fundamentalism.

Like the world needs more drawling pastors and pseudo-news programs... it's recently been overpowering the weak local college stations in their own territory.

217 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:25:57pm

Gallup wasn't just off, they were out in the middle of the ocean...

218 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:26:11pm

re: #215 Varek Raith

Image: fivethirtyeight-1110-accuracy2012-1-blog480.png
Yeesh.

Gallup was R +7.2? They were only off by 10+points. Why should they be upset?

219 Charles Johnson  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:26:46pm
220 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:27:19pm

re: #219 Charles Johnson

Everybody loves monkeys.

They start flinging poo and we're all in deep shit.

221 Varek Raith  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:28:21pm

Yep, definitely Tokyo.

222 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:28:44pm

Remember the CEO of Waffle House?

A Guide To Consumer Brands Helping Bankroll Right-Wing Attack Ads

[...] Some corporations, like Waffle House, give direct donations to conservative attack ad groups like Karl Rove’s American Crossroads.

[...] Waffle House, the 24-hour breakfast food restaurant, gave Karl Rove’s group American Crossroads $100,000 from its corporate fund. [Source]

And now, the other shoe:

Waffle House CEO: Sex charges false, 'blackmail'

The CEO of Waffle House says a former employee who claims he sexually harassed her was actually a participant in consensual sex and has been trying to blackmail him.

In a written statement Tuesday, Joe W. Rogers Jr. said the "infrequent consensual sexual encounters" happened over nearly eight years. Rogers says the woman worked as a housekeeper and house manager, and quit in June.

[...]

Joe Rogers Jr., just another philandering GOP bankroller.

223 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:29:01pm

Remember the CEO of Waffle House?

A Guide To Consumer Brands Helping Bankroll Right-Wing Attack Ads

[...] Some corporations, like Waffle House, give direct donations to conservative attack ad groups like Karl Rove’s American Crossroads.

[...] Waffle House, the 24-hour breakfast food restaurant, gave Karl Rove’s group American Crossroads $100,000 from its corporate fund. [Source]

And now, the other shoe:

Waffle House CEO: Sex charges false, 'blackmail'

The CEO of Waffle House says a former employee who claims he sexually harassed her was actually a participant in consensual sex and has been trying to blackmail him.

In a written statement Tuesday, Joe W. Rogers Jr. said the "infrequent consensual sexual encounters" happened over nearly eight years. Rogers says the woman worked as a housekeeper and house manager, and quit in June.

[...]

Joe Rogers Jr., just another philandering GOP bankroller.

224 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:29:52pm

re: #219 Charles Johnson

Everybody loves monkeys.

They are picking the fleas off the buildings.

Oh, wait... we are the fleas...

225 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:31:12pm

re: #214 Four More Tears

Every time you post now I hear the words as if they were spoken by grumpy-cat.

Well, this is more appropriate than you could possibly know.

Ahem.

226 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:32:51pm

Joe Rogers Jr., a religious man very concerned about his employees:

227 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:35:23pm

Waffle Houses, 24-Hour Adult Bookstores, and Churches

A trinity of something

228 freetoken  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:35:31pm

And, just to make sure the Kitco ads keep showing up, GOLD GOLD GOLD!!!

Gold to Advance to $2,000 on Money Printing, Deutsche Bank Says

Gold will probably rally to a record above $2,000 an ounce next year as central banks ramp up stimulus to sustain the recovery, according to Raymond Key, London-based global head of metals trading at Deutsche Bank AG.

“We’ll take out $2,000, we’ll go higher,” Key said in an interview in Hong Kong, where he attended the London Bullion Market Association’s annual conference. “That’s on the view that they’ll continue to print money.”

[...]

229 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:35:36pm

re: #213 Lidane

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Husted and his toadies just won't quit:

Ohio Secretary of State Jon Husted's last-minute order shifting the burden from the poll worker to a voter for marking what type of identification was used by a voter casting a provisional ballot violated a prior court order, Ohio law and the U.S. Constitution, a federal judge found Tuesday.

U.S. District Court Judge Algenon Marbley's opinion will not be the last word, however, as Husted, a Republican, plans to appeal the ruling to the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals.

"Secretary Husted will appeal today’s ruling because it allows potentially fraudulent votes to be counted," Matthew McClellan, a spokesman for Husted, told BuzzFeed on Tuesday evening. "By eliminating the ID requirement on provisional ballots, the ruling is contrary to Ohio law and undermines the integrity of the election."

No, you dipshit, the judge didn't do that and y'all know it...

230 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:37:31pm

re: #221 Varek Raith

Yep, definitely Tokyo.

Seriously. lol

231 Lidane  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:37:36pm

Oh joy. The Texas GOP are getting ready to waste everyone's time and money:

Perry, Dewhurst advocate drug tests for welfare

Gov. Rick Perry and Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst made a rare joint appearance on Tuesday to advocate drug tests for Texas residents seeking welfare or unemployment benefits.

A bill filed before the Texas Legislature reconvenes in January would mandate drug-testing for "high-risk" welfare applicants while banning them from using public funds to buy alcohol, tobacco and lottery tickets. But Perry and Dewhurst, who controls the flow of legislation through the state Senate, said a top priority should be expanding such rules to include Texans applying for unemployment assistance too.

"This will prevent tax dollars going into the pockets of drug-users and drug dealers," Perry told a news conference at Austin Glass and Mirror, a small business that says it successfully drug-tests its employees.

Dewhurst said that under the current proposal, anyone failing drug tests would be barred from participating in welfare programs for one year -- unless they enter a drug rehabilitation program paid for Medicaid, the government health care program for the poor.

232 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:38:49pm

re: #231 Lidane

Oh joy. The Texas GOP are getting ready to waste everyone's time and money:

Perry, Dewhurst advocate drug tests for welfare

This was a David Duke idea.

233 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:42:40pm

re: #227 dragonath

Yep

234 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:42:48pm

If Russia and China didn't exist America would have to invent an alternative. No wait, they just about did.

235 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:43:44pm

It just keeps on rolling.

War On Women Continues: Ohio Revives Extreme Anti-Abortion Bill

"...If passed, Ohio’s bill would be the most restrictive abortion ban in the nation — far surpassing a bill in Arizona that currently earns that unfortunate distinction by banning abortions after 20 weeks. HB 125 would criminalize all abortions after the fetal heartbeat is detected without even the narrowest exceptions in cases of rape, incest, or the mental health of the woman."

236 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:43:58pm

re: #222 freetoken

It burrrns it freeeezes. . .

237 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:44:20pm

The USA is so worried about China "taking away" our technology? Let's see, we're sending our manufacturing overseas to China which means they're getting first hand knowledge of a vast swath of our technology. This includes making parts for Boeing.

238 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:44:41pm

re: #235 jaunte

They see me rollin they hatin. . .Hell ya, this is drek!

239 Gus  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:45:27pm

All of this hype about China. It's like astroturfing by defense industry lobbyists.

240 jaunte  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:45:47pm

re: #237 Gus

Make sure we send them Waffle House and Papa Johns too. Then they'll be too logy to keep up.

241 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:46:20pm

re: #231 Lidane

Oh joy. The Texas GOP are getting ready to waste everyone's time and money:

Perry, Dewhurst advocate drug tests for welfare

re: #232 dragonath

This was a David Duke idea.

And already implemented in Florida by Rick Scott and his statehouse buddies (at least for welfare recipients).

A program that costs the state much more in testing and administrative costs than it saves; programs like this isn't about saving taxpayer money, it's about asserting the control and power of the state over people who can least fight it.

242 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:47:12pm

re: #231 Lidane

Another reason I'm not receptive to modern conservative arguments. We'll get someone (not the first) complaining about having to pay credit on their tax-advantaged HSA, while an actual proposal that involves real bodily privacy goes unmentioned.

243 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:47:27pm

re: #235 jaunte

It just keeps on rolling.

War On Women Continues: Ohio Revives Extreme Anti-Abortion Bill

Maybe they'll message this one better and the women will vote for it.

/^inf

244 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:48:21pm

re: #243 erik_t

Yes, our estrogen brains can't really comprehend the BRILLIANCE of the current GOP plan. . .//////////

245 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:49:00pm

re: #241 Ben G. Hazi

re: #232 dragonath

re: #232 dragonath

And already implemented in Florida by Rick Scott and his statehouse buddies (at least for welfare recipients).

A program that costs the state much more in testing and administrative costs than it saves; programs like this isn't about saving taxpayer money, it's about asserting control and power over people who can least fight it.

It's not so much control so much as humiliation. "Oh, you lost your job and need our help? Okay, pee in this cup first. Sorry, but we gotta be sure our money's going to the 'right' people, so just pee in the cup and we can get you that check." They figure that the cost of testing will somehow be made back in the number of people who choose not to jump through hoops for temporary assistance.

246 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:50:25pm

re: #245 Targetpractice

It really bothers me that this affects innocent children.

247 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:52:58pm

re: #246 prairiefire

It really bothers me that this affects innocent children.

It's a poll tax on public assistance. The goal here is to get people off public assistance by shame, not to actually assist them.

248 darthstar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:53:25pm
249 EPR-radar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:53:49pm

re: #245 Targetpractice

It's not so much control so much as humiliation. "Oh, you lost your job and need our help? Okay, pee in this cup first. Sorry, but we gotta be sure our money's going to the 'right' people, so just pee in the cup and we can get you that check." They figure that the cost of testing will somehow be made back in the number of people who choose not to jump through hoops for temporary assistance.

In the fever dreams of the GOP base, welfare is only for blacks, and so humiliating the recipients is pure racist gold.

It doesn't matter that many white people are on welfare, or that this kind of testing is a waste of money.

250 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:55:23pm

re: #248 darthstar

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BUUUURRRNNNN

251 dragonath  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:57:59pm

The SPLC:

In unusually high turnout for a special election, Duke won 33% of the vote to his opponent John Treen's 19%. In the runoff that followed, Duke beat Treen by just 227 votes. Among the legislation unsuccessfully proposed by Duke while in office were bills to raise penalties for drug offenders in housing projects and to require drug testing for recipients of welfare and Medicaid.

In 1990, Duke announced his candidacy in the Republican primary for a U.S. Senate seat. In the end, he raised an astonishing $2.4 million and won 607,391 votes (about 60% of the white Republican vote), but lost the primary.

This is not only a Florida thing anymore. Missouri has a similar program for "suspected" illegal drug users.

252 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:58:19pm

re: #222 freetoken

Remember the CEO of Waffle House?

A Guide To Consumer Brands Helping Bankroll Right-Wing Attack Ads

And now, the other shoe:

Waffle House CEO: Sex charges false, 'blackmail'

Joe Rogers Jr., just another philandering GOP bankroller.

Well shit. I liked eating at Waffle House now and then. So there's that, and Home Depot, and Papa John's, off my list.

253 Targetpractice  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:58:40pm

re: #247 Kronocide

It's a poll tax on public assistance. The goal here is to get people off public assistance by shame, not to actually assist them.

If you listen to a wingnut long enough, particularly the boomer wingnuts who grew up in the 50s and 60s, you quickly realize that their view is that there's not enough "shame" anymore. They'll tell you people used to ashamed of needing welfare, ashamed of seeking an abortion, ashamed of being seen as divorced, ashamed of a woman out-earning her husband, and so forth. And they want to go back to those days, because they can't see that bygone era through anything but nostalgia.

254 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 6:58:52pm

re: #249 EPR-radar

I assume someone, any one of my Wisconsin peeps posted Ryan's statement about how he lost to the "urban" vote. . .on the heels of Janesville, Wisconsin voting FOR domestic partnership benefits. . .tough week

255 gwangung  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:00:20pm

re: #253 Targetpractice

If you listen to a wingnut long enough, particularly the boomer wingnuts who grew up in the 50s and 60s, you quickly realize that their view is that there's not enough "shame" anymore. They'll tell you people used to ashamed of needing welfare, ashamed of seeking an abortion, ashamed of being seen as divorced, ashamed of a woman out-earning her husband, and so forth. And they want to go back to those days, because they can't see that bygone era through anything but nostalgia.

Be ashamed? Or feed my family?

Tough choice there....

256 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:01:38pm

re: #65 Four More Beers

So Justice Sotamayor takes a trip to that dastardly waste of .000001% of taxpayer money Sesame Street, says to a muppet “Abby pretending to be a princess is fun, but it is definitely not a career." The justice recommended little girls go to school so they can be a teacher, lawyer, or “even a scientist.”

Sounds pretty reasonable and encouraging, right? Noooo! The Dumbest Man on the Internet, the King of Derp himself Jim "Dim" Hoft has posted maybe (that's saying a lot, I know) the dumbest rant ever, I guess he was so pissed off, he spelled Sotamayor "Sotamayer," and called her "Killjoy." You can see it for yourself, but here are some comments:

1.)

2.)

3.)

4.)

5.)

Dim, you're a fucking loser.

Sotamayer? Yeah, a lot of the wingnuts were upset about being made to pronounce her name. The best anglicization I could come up with was "Sodameyer". I think Jake and Conrad Sodameyer run a garage outside Lake Wobegon.

257 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:01:54pm

re: #252 Pawn of the Oppressor

what's the deal with Home Depot?

258 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:02:38pm

re: #252 Pawn of the Oppressor

Well shit. I liked eating at Waffle House now and then. So there's that, and Home Depot, and Papa John's, off my list.

What will I ever do without New Balance? They make the only shoes that fit me.

259 EPR-radar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:04:14pm

re: #258 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

What will I ever do without New Balance? They make the only shoes that fit me.

In the same boat here. At least the optional funding of wing nut billionaires can be eliminated.

260 EPR-radar  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:07:50pm

re: #253 Targetpractice

If you listen to a wingnut long enough, particularly the boomer wingnuts who grew up in the 50s and 60s, you quickly realize that their view is that there's not enough "shame" anymore. They'll tell you people used to ashamed of needing welfare, ashamed of seeking an abortion, ashamed of being seen as divorced, ashamed of a woman out-earning her husband, and so forth. And they want to go back to those days, because they can't see that bygone era through anything but nostalgia.

To decode: they want to return to an era where oppressive social norms were prevalent, and enforcement included acts of terror perpetrated by an intolerant majority.

261 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:09:26pm

re: #257 DisturbedEma

what's the deal with Home Depot?

Their CEO made some noise about an Obama re-election being a disaster of some sort... Not quite 1000-years-of-darkness but the guy is definitely a Mittens fan. He doesn't need my money. Quotes were linked here a couple of weeks ago, but my recall on these things is terrible, maybe somebody else can provide better details.

Home Depot sucks anyways, they never have what I need. :P

262 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:11:19pm

re: #258 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

What will I ever do without New Balance? They make the only shoes that fit me.

OK, now what happened with New Balance? They aren't wing-nutty, are they? They're my shoe brand of choice, as they're dedicated to "made in the USA".

263 Stanghazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:15:07pm

I'm in love

264 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:17:45pm

re: #261 Pawn of the Oppressor

Their CEO made some noise about an Obama re-election being a disaster of some sort... Not quite 1000-years-of-darkness but the guy is definitely a Mittens fan. He doesn't need my money. Quotes were linked here a couple of weeks ago, but my recall on these things is terrible, maybe somebody else can provide better details.

Home Depot sucks anyways, they never have what I need. :P

Lowe's and Menard's don't seem to be any better in the "avoid giving money to RWNJ CEOs" department, IIRC.

265 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:18:58pm

re: #262 Pawn of the Oppressor

OK, now what happened with New Balance? They aren't wing-nutty, are they? They're my shoe brand of choice, as they're dedicated to "made in the USA".

Not all NB shoe models are made in America; all but the more pricey ones are made overseas, IIRC.

Always check the label on the tongue to be sure...

266 erik_t  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:20:02pm

re: #264 Ben G. Hazi

Lowe's and Menard's don't seem to be any better in the "avoid giving money to RWNJ CEOs" department, IIRC.

But you can allegedly save big money at Menard's!

267 Henchman Ghazi-808  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:20:45pm

re: #263 Stanghazi

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I'm in love

Dysentery is no joke, it's pretty shitty.

268 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:21:13pm

re: #265 Ben G. Hazi

Not all NB shoe models are made in America; all but the more pricey ones are made overseas, IIRC.

Being able to buy shoes made in the US at all is a pretty big deal. I like them for that.

269 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:21:41pm

re: #267 Kronocide

Dysentery is no joke, it's pretty shitty.

No love for becoming a human chocolate milkshake machine?

///

270 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:22:09pm

re: #179 Gus

And neither looks happy!

271 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:22:58pm

re: #268 SanFranciscoZionist

Being able to buy shoes made in the US at all is a pretty big deal. I like them for that.

Red Wing is much the same way; many models are still made here, but the cheaper models tend to be made overseas.

Vasque boots (one of Red Wing's brands) tend to be made overseas, but build quality is still fairly decent.

272 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:30:22pm

re: #262 Pawn of the Oppressor

OK, now what happened with New Balance? They aren't wing-nutty, are they? They're my shoe brand of choice, as they're dedicated to "made in the USA".

A Guide To Consumer Brands Helping Bankroll Right-Wing Attack Ads

273 Bear  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:32:36pm

re: #268 SanFranciscoZionist

I was shocked last week when I went to a RED WING shoe store to get a new pair. The style and width I wanted but when I looked at the shoe I saw "Made in China". So I had to settle for a different style that was much more pricey pair but was "Made in the US". What ever has happened to Red Wing?

274 prairiefire  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 7:39:57pm

re: #251 dragonath

The SPLC:

This is not only a Florida thing anymore. Missouri has a similar program for "suspected" illegal drug users.

Yes, it passed.

275 Decatur Deb  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 8:23:02pm

re: #261 Pawn of the Oppressor

Their CEO made some noise about an Obama re-election being a disaster of some sort... Not quite 1000-years-of-darkness but the guy is definitely a Mittens fan. He doesn't need my money. Quotes were linked here a couple of weeks ago, but my recall on these things is terrible, maybe somebody else can provide better details.

Home Depot sucks anyways, they never have what I need. :P

Home Depots particular shtick is not only fighting unionization of their own force, but spreading the anti-union gospel to other corps. Scroom.

276 DisturbedEma  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:30:57pm

re: #275 Decatur Deb

menards has a bit of a spotted record in Wisconsin. . .

277 alpuz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:35:26pm

re: #264 Ben G. Hazi

Menard is full on RWNJ. Even the 'conservatives' in his neck of the woods agree.

278 alpuz  Tue, Nov 13, 2012 9:35:57pm

re: #276 DisturbedEma

Just a bit.


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